[GAME THREAD]: OVER 9000-verse Mafia!

[Astil]

But the fact that they're pointed out in the write-up to begin with, especially as infamous.. would that not support the miller theory as well?

Just covering all bases here, I mean..

Infamous has a negative conotation.

GDSX itself is anti GDS.

How does GDSX Aligned GDSX Original sound? Believable. I hope if we do lynch Destiny, WC is next.

[Antithesis]

Game this size, definately lacking in a kill or two last night I think.

Maybe they aren't mandatory, but if Destiny couldn't go out last night then he needs to explain himself today.

Vote Destiny

[Astil]

Being against one group doesn't make them scum at all.

You don't think so?

[Arrows]

Infamous has a negative conotation.

GDSX itself is anti GDS.

How does GDSX Aligned GDSX Original sound? Believable. I hope if we do lynch Destiny, WC is next.

Anti GDS does NOT = Anti Justice.

[Astil]

I just read every one of Destiny's posts. Did I miss something? Why are we voting on him?

[mjdgoldeneye]

I just read every one of Destiny's posts. Did I miss something? Why are we voting on him?

Try reading Derek's posts.

[Astil]

Anti GDS does NOT = Anti Justice.

So to you anti GDS is good?

[Astil]

Try reading Derek's posts.

I actually try not to. :p

So Derek spun a vote on someone, and we jump to it? This better be pretty damn convincing.

[Nedew]

How does GDSX Aligned GDSX Original sound?

Almost as bad as Evil Aligned GDSX Original, or some such other word that's opposed to Justice. I doubt GDSX would be the entire scum faction.

[Arrows]

So to you anti GDS is good?

The only thing Anti-GDS means to me is they don't like the GDS guys.

Did a GDS guy get f'n offed?

No.

[Astil]

The only thing Anti-GDS means to me is they don't like the GDS guys.

Did a GDS guy get f'n offed?

No.

Ever hear of a second scum group?

I saw two kill attempts in the write up.

[Arrows]

Ever hear of a second scum group?

I saw two kill attempts in the write up.

I saw two kill attempts in the opening write up.

Where's the GDS kill?

Why would an ANTI GDS group kill IRON MAN OR F'N GET GUY?

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 2. With 33 players remaining, you have until 9:30 pm EDT (on Monday, March 22nd) / 1:30 am GMT (on Tuesday, March 23rd) to reach a majority of 17 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 5 (derek_b, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye, Nedew, Antithesis)

[Astil]

I saw two kill attempts in the opening write up.

Where's the GDS kill?

Why would an ANTI GDS group kill IRON MAN OR F'N GET GUY?

Who WOULD kill Get Guy?

[Destiny]

I actually try not to. :p

So Derek spun a vote on someone, and we jump to it? This better be pretty damn convincing.

/nod. Having five votes on me again is a little alarming aswell. Thankfully, me not being able to use my ability last night didn't matter, as I am still alive.

[Astil]

Ok, calling it, Derek's scum. First post TWO ACCUSATIONS OF SCUM!

AND WE'RE FOLLOWING IT!

[Astil]

/nod. Having five votes on me again is a little alarming aswell. Thankfully, me not being able to use my ability last night didn't matter, as I am still alive.

Alarming or humorous?

[Antithesis]

Ever hear of a second scum group?

I saw two kill attempts in the write up.

I saw a theft, a kill, and what looked like a roleblock.

[Astil]

I saw a theft, a kill, and what looked like a roleblock.

I saw a kill and a kill attempt.

[Destiny]

Either way, neither of them were by me. It's almost 2:30AM here, so I'm going to bed.

[Arrows]

Who WOULD kill Get Guy?

Someone who doesn't care who they kill.

Thus, not a group that'd be against one specific group. Not to mention, 3-4 guys from 1 small part of such a huge character base?

[mjdgoldeneye]

I downloaded the mod to see who was in it, and there's a bunch of 'Chan sorts in there. I suppose they could be responsible for EGG's death...?

[Destiny]

I hate to make it seem like I'm taking the subject away from me, but if any other player made the blunder Wrestling Century did last day phase, they would be lynched.

[Wallbanger]

I downloaded the mod to see who was in it, and there's a bunch of 'Chan sorts in there. I suppose they could be responsible for EGG's death...?

Is there a TEW10 version or do you have to convert the 08 version?

[Wallbanger]

I hate to make it seem like I'm taking the subject away from me, but if any other player made the blunder Wrestling Century did last day phase, they would be lynched.

I just had the strangest sense of deja vu...

[mjdgoldeneye]

Is there a TEW10 version or do you have to convert the 08 version?

I had to convert the 08 version. A 2010 version is supposed to come out in the future, but it isn't available yet.

I looked... I don't think you're in the mod... :p

[Arrows]

2010 version needs to hurry up.

Yea.

[Astil]

Ok, be rights, I can claim Buu or Magneto because 'they're only against one group'.

Bad guys are bad guys. I reject your Arrows logic and replace it with my own.

And good luck to you if WC turns up scum.

Vote: Wrestling Century

[moon_lit_tears]

A) There were 12 votes on him already, which is more than enough if you just want him to talk.

B) Had I voted he was only 5 votes away from a lynch, say one more presumably good guy votes after me, then a 4-headed mafia could easily decide to speedlynch him.

C) There were 22 people that could still vote for him if he proved to be scum eventually, which should be more than enough for just 6 votes.



I apologize. I was in a bad spot last night. :p I can be a bit of a well I won't use the word. BUT we should have lynched Destiny because now we spend TODAY dealing with it.

Also, going to work on updating the front page now.

Yay

Just jumping in before I go to bed. It looks like 2 people tried to kill Comradebot to me. And if that's all the kills then we're definitely missing signs of a cult or enough killers for a game this size. Logically we now look for people being roleblocked in some form as prime sources of being scum... and we happen to know one such person.

So as a reminder from the day before, based on a line if questioning that looked like fishing for a potential recruit, unnecessary talk of a cult as a potential telltale sign of being a cult and now that he CAN talk again even if he chooses not to, I'd like to once again hear from...

VOTE: Destiny

... I'm looking for justifications of the specific questions asked as it looks like he was lining up a recruitment and this doesn't sit well with me.

I agree.


See I looked at the link DWW put on the sign up thread. I see many different things going on there. This game is going to be very confusing and quite fun.

[Arrows]

Ok, be rights, I can claim Buu or Magneto because 'they're only against one group'.

Bad guys are bad guys. I reject your Arrows logic and replace it with my own.

And good luck to you if WC turns up scum.

Vote: Wrestling Century

Mystique=town in Marvel.

My Arrows logic?

Even I got fooled by your thought process before.

[Astil]

This town sucks. You took Derek_b on his word that 'Destiny looks scummy' and ran with it for 12 votes? More?

WC basicaly made a role title blue and 'justice aligned' but thats cool?

I'm ashamed.

[Arrows]

This town sucks. You took Derek_b on his word that 'Destiny looks scummy' and ran with it for 12 votes? More?

WC basicaly made a role title blue and 'justice aligned' but thats cool?

I'm ashamed.

Vote: Astil

More ashamed now?

[Astil]

Mystique=town in Marvel.

My Arrows logic?

Even I got fooled by your thought process before.

So this is a far out thought process?

[Astil]

Vote: Astil

More ashamed now?

Yes. This. Town. Sucks.

[Arrows]

So this is a far out thought process?

What you're saying makes sense, but you're not automatically RIGHT.

You need to slow down and accept the fact that you could very well be wrong. Last time I played something the way you're doing right now, Mystique came up town. Not that I cared, given I was the SK and all, but I looked like a fool after.

Show me PROOF Anti-GDS is Anti-Town. Until then, you got nothing but speculation.

[moon_lit_tears]

Yes. This. Town. Sucks.

Geez thanks.

[Astil]

Arrows, why are you against pushing WC?

[Arrows]

Arrows, why are you against pushing WC?

What are you gonna get?

REALLY?

Insane ramblings and NOTHING. Why question someone with no rational thought process? It's lynch or not.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 2. With 33 players remaining, you have until 9:30 pm EDT (on Monday, March 22nd) / 1:30 am GMT (on Tuesday, March 23rd) to reach a majority of 17 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Astil - 1 (Arrows)
Destiny - 5 (derek_b, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye, Nedew, Antithesis)
Wrestling Century - 1 (Astil)

[Astil]

What you're saying makes sense, but you're not automatically RIGHT.

You need to slow down and accept the fact that you could very well be wrong. Last time I played something the way you're doing right now, Mystique came up town. Not that I cared, given I was the SK and all, but I looked like a fool after.

Show me PROOF Anti-GDS is Anti-Town. Until then, you got nothing but speculation.

All of mafia is nothing but speculation.

THIS* is far more believable than THAT**

* This being a guy who claimed GDSX, a know anti-establishment group that hates the GDS is not worth lynching.
** That being a guy who Derek_b fingered as Cult because he tried to lead a D1 discussion is not worth lynching.

[Zeel1]

Arrows, why are you against pushing WC?

No one is against that.

Hell, WC's scummier right now then he's ever been. We're voting for Destiny right now because we want to pressure him, not neccessarily lynch him. It's WC we wish to lynch, we'll simply do that later in that phase.

Of course, I'm talking on behalf of the town, but atleast that's the way I see it. Nobody has spoken to WC's defense.

[canyoudothecancan]

I'm sorry but I'm kinda new to mafia but what exactly is a miller that WC is claiming?

[moon_lit_tears]

All of mafia is nothing but speculation.

THIS* is far more believable than THAT**

* This being a guy who claimed GDSX, a know anti-establishment group that hates the GDS is not worth lynching.
** That being a guy who Derek_b fingered as Cult because he tried to lead a D1 discussion is not worth lynching.

Ok if WC is claiming GDSX and there anti GDS would it be safe to assume GDS people are here then?

If so someone should speak up, or something that way we can be sure he just didn't pick a random name and go with it.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm sorry but I'm kinda new to mafia but what exactly is a miller that WC is claiming?

A miller is essentially town but not town. They are usually loners who will win with the town

[Zeel1]

I'm sorry but I'm kinda new to mafia but what exactly is a miller that WC is claiming?

A townie that comes up scum (or non-town, or threat to the town, or something else bad, worded in many ways) when investigated.

[Nedew]

All voting WC right now does is split the vote. I feel WC is more likely to be scum than Destiny based on what's happened so far, but i can see the logic behind pushing Destiny. Am i gonna wildly go against the grain of decent logic? No. If the entire town were to just wildly swing off to someone else, ignoring the WC stuff, THEN you'd be right to be aggrieved.

[Arrows]

Ok if WC is claiming GDSX and there anti GDS would it be safe to assume GDS people are here then?

If so someone should speak up, or something that way we can be sure he just didn't pick a random name and go with it.

Why...

Nevermind.

[Astil]

No one is against that.

Hell, WC's scummier right now then he's ever been. We're voting for Destiny right now because we want to pressure him, not neccessarily lynch him. It's WC we wish to lynch, we'll simply do that later in that phase.

Of course, I'm talking on behalf of the town, but atleast that's the way I see it. Nobody has spoken to WC's defense.

Why? Because Derek_b said so?

Because he asked for info D1?

Because he expressed fear of a cult. I fear cults, and I won with one. The last thing, last thing, last thing a cultie wants to do is bring up a cult. Terrorists win by recruiting under the radar for as long as possible. This whole Destiny push is garbage. Absolute garbage.

[Arrows]

All voting WC right now does is split the vote. I feel WC is more likely to be scum than Destiny based on what's happened so far, but i can see the logic behind pushing Destiny. Am i gonna wildly go against the grain of decent logic? No. If the entire town were to just wildly swing off to someone else, ignoring the WC stuff, THEN you'd be right to be aggrieved.

Thank you.

[Astil]

All voting WC right now does is split the vote. I feel WC is more likely to be scum than Destiny based on what's happened so far, but i can see the logic behind pushing Destiny. Am i gonna wildly go against the grain of decent logic? No. If the entire town were to just wildly swing off to someone else, ignoring the WC stuff, THEN you'd be right to be aggrieved.

Ok, then explain the logic behind pushing Destiny.

[moon_lit_tears]

Why...

Nevermind.

It would make sense to me. But then again I am usually wrong.

[Astil]

Ok, then explain the logic behind pushing Destiny.

By the way, please let Nedew answer this.

[Arrows]

Why? Because Derek_b said so?

Because he asked for info D1?

Because he expressed fear of a cult. I fear cults, and I won with one. The last thing, last thing, last thing a cultie wants to do is bring up a cult. Terrorists win by recruiting under the radar for as long as possible. This whole Destiny push is garbage. Absolute garbage.

Uh huh.

Last thing a SK wants to do, is, what?

Oh. Bring up the SK.

See: Infinity, CVerse2, constantly mentioning Marat.

Just because it's not a great idea, doesn't mean it's not gonna happen.

See: Pretty much anything WC's done.

[Astil]

Uh huh.

Last thing a SK wants to do, is, what?

Oh. Bring up the SK.

See: Infinity, CVerse2, constantly mentioning Marat.

Just because it's not a great idea, doesn't mean it's not gonna happen.

See: Pretty much anything WC's done.

Can you see where I'm coming from in my frustration on the wagon.

Also, scum lynch slow to the gallow, mislynch happens fast.

[Nedew]

Thank you.

Awesome, i got thanked by Arrows :cool:

By the way, please let Nedew answer this.

"The last thing, last thing, last thing a cultie wants to do is bring up a cult." Well, isn't that nice and WIFOM.

Destiny not only made much more searching Day 1 questions than usual, but also towards Zeel (and noises have been made about them both being DC). He wanted to know specifically who Zeel was. Day freakin' 1. Nice and recruitment-y. Then, under pressure, he got aggro. Destiny got angry! What the ****!

In short, he was asking very specific questions, that would only really make sense if you were a probing cult leader. Or very nosy. His dodging questioning tonight hasn't shone a big light of innocence on him either.

We'll lynch WC when we get past this.

[Astil]

Awesome, i got thanked by Arrows :cool:



"The last thing, last thing, last thing a cultie wants to do is bring up a cult." Well, isn't that nice and WIFOM.

Destiny not only made much more searching Day 1 questions than usual, but also towards Zeel (and noises have been made about them both being DC). He wanted to know specifically who Zeel was. Day freakin' 1. Nice and recruitment-y. Then, under pressure, he got aggro. Destiny got angry! What the ****!

In short, he was asking very specific questions, that would only really make sense if you were a probing cult leader. Or very nosy. His dodging questioning tonight hasn't shone a big light of innocence on him either.

We'll lynch WC when we get past this.

What if he was looking for his dog?

[Arrows]

What if he was looking for his dog?

What if you're pushing a WC lynch because you started cult with Destiny?

[Zeel1]

Now that Nedew's answered, I'll also add that Destiny dissapeared when the pressure turned up on him last phase. 12 votes out of 14, and he didn't say anything.

[Astil]

Are you town? Do you go out at night? Are you looking to harm or protect?

^- These are the 3 questions... erm... in question right? Maybe I'm not looking right, seriously, but how is this 'looking to recruit'?

[Nedew]

Astil, you're verging less on "concerned townie" and more on "Destiny's saviour" the longer you keep this up.

[Astil]

What if you're pushing a WC lynch because you started cult with Destiny?

Good point. I didn't but good point.

Thoughts like this are what we should be doing. This is good townie behavior.

[Astil]

Astil, you're verging less on "concerned townie" and more on "Destiny's saviour" the longer you keep this up.

/shrug

I see bull****, I call it.

[canyoudothecancan]

You guys seem awfully jumpy.

[Arrows]

/shrug

I see bull****, I call it.

Look back at my late comments last phase. I was specific in saying I likely would withdraw my vote off Destiny if things went too far.

The longer he decides NOT to say anything, the closer I am to changing my mind on that.

[Zeel1]

You guys seem awfully jumpy.

Welcome to mafia. :cool:

[Astil]

Now that Nedew's answered, I'll also add that Destiny dissapeared when the pressure turned up on him last phase. 12 votes out of 14, and he didn't say anything.

Now THAT is bad. Not lynch worthy, but pressure worthy.

I'm still gonna look over that D1 final vote. Too many votes, too fast.

[Astil]

Look back at my late comments last phase. I was specific in saying I likely would withdraw my vote off Destiny if things went too far.

The longer he decides NOT to say anything, the closer I am to changing my mind on that.

/nod

[Arrows]

Of course, I've claimed to be "kinda" town and gotten away with it. WC's claimed to be a miller and he's alive.

Zeel's claimed to have more on his win condition and nobodies really looking there.

This town's just chillin' or something.

[Nedew]

Astil, you seem to going "hey, good point!" "Hey, i hadn't noticed that!" here. You're noticing stuff about a guy you've been defending. How can you defend someone if you haven't even looked over why people are voting him!?

[Astil]

derek_b, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye, eayragt, Wallbanger, moon lit tears, Arrows, Nedew, Jaded, Jman2k3, Antithesis, Zeel1, Wrestling Century, Waghlon

This is the list.

My question is who is the bonehead who jailed Destiny. IF Destiny recruits, we lynch him. If Destiny's cult, we lynch Zeel. Twofer. Now that chance is gone.

Man I wish D1 didn't fall on my annyversery.

[Zeel1]

Now THAT is bad. Not lynch worthy, but pressure worthy.

I'm still gonna look over that D1 final vote. Too many votes, too fast.

Hell, if you look at the last couple of posts of that phase, those of us that were on agreed that he was given enough time, and the hammer should be dropped, but the last two votes didn't come in time.

*Makes mental note that the next time we agree on a "Give them X amount of time, then lynch them if they don't say anything" clause, to make sure enough people will be on to vote at said time.*

[Astil]

Of course, I've claimed to be "kinda" town and gotten away with it. WC's claimed to be a miller and he's alive.

Zeel's claimed to have more on his win condition and nobodies really looking there.

This town's just chillin' or something.

Tunnel vision.

Astil, you seem to going "hey, good point!" "Hey, i hadn't noticed that!" here. You're noticing stuff about a guy you've been defending. How can you defend someone if you haven't even looked over why people are voting him!?

/head desk

[Glotnot]

I am not a part of a cult. I said twice that I hoped there wasn't one because I do, and personally I would struggle in dealing with one as I don't have an extensive knowledge of the theme.

....

Am I the only one noticing that not knowing a theme is no reason for being particularly against a cult?

People who don't know the theme should hate mafias the most....since they don't know who'd be mafia.

Not cults, since they can generally recruit anyone, meaning theme knowledge is useless unless the write-ups are particularly revealing.

I downloaded the mod to see who was in it, and there's a bunch of 'Chan sorts in there. I suppose they could be responsible for EGG's death...?

Again, I think nCo would be cult.

Recruiting Anonymous, similar to how in Movie Horror, Tyler Durden eventually started turning his recruits into Space Monkeys.

Ok, be rights, I can claim Buu or Magneto because 'they're only against one group'.

Bad guys are bad guys. I reject your Arrows logic and replace it with my own.

And good luck to you if WC turns up scum.

Vote: Wrestling Century

Both of the characters you listed are awful examples of bad guys. >.<

Fat Buu and Magneto could both be considered good at least some of the time.

All of mafia is nothing but speculation.

THIS* is far more believable than THAT**

* This being a guy who claimed GDSX, a know anti-establishment group that hates the GDS is not worth lynching.
** That being a guy who Derek_b fingered as Cult because he tried to lead a D1 discussion is not worth lynching.

Both of them are equally unbelievable. >.<

"Destiny couldn't act last night!

There was no cult recruitment last night!

Therefore, Destiny must be cult leader!"

We don't even know that there's a cult! >.<

If there is one, if there's a hint of one, then I think lynch him.

For now, though, we have no reason to think he's cult leader! It's baseless logic!


On the other side, we may be playing this game on the GDS forums, but GDS is not inherently the good guys in every game ever.

Seriously.

That's just dumb.

In reality, GDSX is a promotion in the 9000verse.

That would make them against every other promotion. Particularly GDS, I'll give you that. But still against every other promotion.

Pretty much every promotion is against....every other promotion.

But, given that "Justice" is a pretty ambiguous group name that probably contains characters from comics, anime, video games, internet culture, and every other kind of media represented in the game, it doesn't seem like anything to be particularly worried about with no evidence. Hell, my character starts the game not signed to any company at all and has no ties to any GDSX member.

So there would really only be two reasons for anyone to think GDSX was scum.

1) They're GDS aligned.
2) They're GDSX aligned.

One of the two, really. No other character would care.

I mean, a very specific GDSX character, sure. A team of them? Probably not. I mean, look at your role. Really, do you see yourself, Buu, or Magneto being particularly worried about a bunch of internet nerds?

No. Not really.


Also, Buu, Magneto, and Mystique are lame.

[Arrows]

If Destiny's cult, we lynch Zeel.


...What?

[canyoudothecancan]

I don't think lynching Zeel would do anything at all.

[Zeel1]

...What?

No, that does make sense, since Destiny would've recruited me. Therefore, lynch Destiny, then me. Not much I'd be able to say.

Only one thing that bothers me about this..why me? I mean, I think I play alright for a rookie, but I'm still a rookie. Why would I be someone's first choice for recruitment?

[Astil]

The GDSX chars aren't just internet nerds. There anime-esque comic book-esque characters.

[moon_lit_tears]

I don't think lynching Zeel would do anything at all.

I think Arrows is wondering where the logic that Destiny=cult=lynch Zeel. There is no connection that I seen.

[Arrows]

No, that does make sense, since Destiny would've recruited me. Therefore, lynch Destiny, then me. Not much I'd be able to say.

Only one thing that bothers me about this..why me? I mean, I think I play alright for a rookie, but I'm still a rookie. Why would I be someone's first choice for recruitment?

I think Arrows is wondering where the logic that Destiny=cult=lynch Zeel. There is no connection that I seen.

I get it. Destiny was interested in Zeel. Thus, that's who he'd recruit.

There was no recruitment. Zeel couldn't have been recruited.

Why lynch him?

[Astil]

No, that does make sense, since Destiny would've recruited me. Therefore, lynch Destiny, then me. Not much I'd be able to say.

Only one thing that bothers me about this..why me? I mean, I think I play alright for a rookie, but I'm still a rookie. Why would I be someone's first choice for recruitment?

/shrug

He voted for you first too, which is ... odd?

To be honest, the line of questioning seemed like generic pressure banter than I'M GOING TO RECRUIT YOU!

[Astil]

I get it. Destiny was interested in Zeel. Thus, that's who he'd recruit.

There was no recruitment. Zeel couldn't have been recruited.

Why lynch him?

I was speaking in hypotheticals. Reread the post, or at least don't cut out the part where I clear that up. Scummy...

[Astil]

derek_b, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye, eayragt, Wallbanger, moon lit tears, Arrows, Nedew, Jaded, Jman2k3, Antithesis, Zeel1, Wrestling Century, Waghlon

This is the list.

My question is who is the bonehead who jailed Destiny. IF Destiny recruits, we lynch him. If Destiny's cult, we lynch Zeel. Twofer. Now that chance is gone.

Man I wish D1 didn't fall on my annyversery.


Jeez, Arrows, why'd you feel the need to cut that part out?

[Arrows]

I was speaking in hypotheticals. Reread the post, or at least don't cut out the part where I clear that up. Scummy...

Me?

Scummy?

Hell, I'm probably the cleanest of us so far.

[Astil]

Me?

Scummy?

Hell, I'm probably the cleanest of us so far.

You're spin doctoring, that's not clean.

[moon_lit_tears]

You're spin doctoring, that's not clean.

But typical Arrows. :cool:

[Arrows]

/nod

[Astil]

But typical Arrows. :cool:

annnnnnd that makes it okat, how?

[moon_lit_tears]

annnnnnd that makes it okat, how?

I never said it was. Just saying it is his play in almost every game.

[Astil]

annnnnnd that makes it okay, how?

fix'd

[Arrows]

annnnnnd that makes it okat, how?

Gonna do something about it?:cool:

[masterded]

You're spin doctoring, that's not clean.

Little Miss Can't be Wrong or Two Princes?

[Astil]

I never said it was. Just saying it is his play in almost every game.

So we should ignore it? Let it be? It's scummy behavior, and Arrows nodding is almost like admitting, 'yeah, I cut out part of that post to make you look bad'.

Tell me our signals got crossed, because that is NOT ok.

[moon_lit_tears]

annnnnnd that makes it okat, how?

Gonna do something about it?:cool:

I think he called you a P..........

:D Just kidding.

[Astil]

Little Miss Can't be Wrong or Two Princes?

I dont know what your talking about.

[Nedew]

So we should ignore it? Let it be? It's scummy behavior, and Arrows nodding is almost like admitting, 'yeah, I cut out part of that post to make you look bad'.

Tell me our signals got crossed, because that is NOT ok.

Earlier on, Arrows also mentioned that he was "trying to look scummy" but then outdone by WC. Just saying that Arrows presumably has a reason to come off dodgy. Just my reckoning of it.

Don't get too paranoid though, you're hardly a lynch suspect.

[moon_lit_tears]

So we should ignore it? Let it be? It's scummy behavior, and Arrows nodding is almost like admitting, 'yeah, I cut out part of that post to make you look bad'.

Tell me our signals got crossed, because that is NOT ok.

Not saying it is ok. I noticed it. The only problem is we all know that is how Arrows plays. Hell he could be the don or he can be the town mayor and would play the same way.

Not saying what he did is right, just that it's what he does always.

[Nedew]

I dont know what your talking about.

Spin Doctors are a band, both of those are their hits...

[Arrows]

So we should ignore it? Let it be? It's scummy behavior, and Arrows nodding is almost like admitting, 'yeah, I cut out part of that post to make you look bad'.

Tell me our signals got crossed, because that is NOT ok.

Yea.

Earlier on, Arrows also mentioned that he was "trying to look scummy" but then outdone by WC. Just saying that Arrows presumably has a reason to come off dodgy. Just my reckoning of it.

Don't get too paranoid though, you're hardly a lynch suspect.

For now.

[Astil]

Earlier on, Arrows also mentioned that he was "trying to look scummy" but then outdone by WC. Just saying that Arrows presumably has a reason to come off dodgy. Just my reckoning of it.

Don't get too paranoid though, you're hardly a lynch suspect.

I know how to play :), but thanks.

Um, Arrows saying he's 'trying to be scummy' is a trick. It's obvious.

[Astil]

Yea.



For now.

Yea you were being a spinner or yea our signals got crossed.

[masterded]

Spin Doctors are a band, both of those are their hits...

I was trying to break the tension. :(

[Astil]

I was trying to break the tension. :(

Music. Oh. I have no idea that it was a band. Unintentional pun FTW!

[GruntMark]

Im with Astil. Destiny thing is sillyness right now. And rushing him back to the gallows to really a waste of a phase for the time being.

[Zeel1]

Yea you were being a spinner or yea our signals got crossed.

He was celebrating.

See, 'cause yea is pronounced "yay".

[Arrows]

Yea you were being a spinner or yea our signals got crossed.

Yea.

[Antithesis]

This town sucks. You took Derek_b on his word that 'Destiny looks scummy' and ran with it for 12 votes? More?

WC basicaly made a role title blue and 'justice aligned' but thats cool?

I'm ashamed.

Why are you so set to defend Destiny?

At this point I'd lynch him just to see if you might be a scum buddy.

You say the write up shows a missed kill. I see a bent finger and a party favor. Nothing about a kill.

If there is only one kill, odds are another kill was blocked. Why not pressure the guy who spent the night in jail?

[Astil]

Yea.

Change Vote: Arrows

Not falling into one of your stupid traps.

[masterded]

Im with Astil. Destiny thing is sillyness right now. And rushing him back to the gallows to really a waste of a phase for the time being.

So would pressuring WC now. He should be the last 12-hour plan. If by then we have nothing then we lynch him.

[Arrows]

Change Vote: Arrows

Not falling into one of your stupid traps.

*Gets your vote all nice and comfy*

K.

[Astil]

Why are you so set to defend Destiny?

At this point I'd lynch him just to see if you might be a scum buddy.

You say the write up shows a missed kill. I see a bent finger and a party favor. Nothing about a kill.

If there is only one kill, odds are another kill was blocked. Why not pressure the guy who spent the night in jail?

Look at the kill part for the second one.

[Nedew]

I know how to play :), but thanks.

Thanks for that patronising comment :rolleyes:

Um, Arrows saying he's 'trying to be scummy' is a trick. It's obvious.

Are you saying Arrows is scum then?

[Zeel1]

*Gets your vote all nice and comfy*

K.

*Gets Astil's vote some warm milk, and reads it a story.*

[Astil]

*Gets your vote all nice and comfy*

K.

Dude, my vote jumps like a ADHD child on speed and energy drinks, it's never comfy.

[Nedew]

Are you saying Arrows is scum then?

Probably should've posted that before you voted for him :p

[Antithesis]

Im with Astil. Destiny thing is sillyness right now. And rushing him back to the gallows to really a waste of a phase for the time being.
I always like these posts.

'What you guys are arguing about is a waste of time... meanwhile I will be busy not suggesting an alternative!'

[Astil]

Thanks for that patronising comment :rolleyes:



Are you saying Arrows is scum then?

Honest to goodness was not being patronizing. You're a new player, and I'm not exactly 'famous' so I figured you figured I was new.

And I always think Arrows is scum. Lakeside.

[Astil]

I always like these posts.

'What you guys are arguing about is a waste of time... meanwhile I will be busy not suggesting an alternative!'

/nod

[moon_lit_tears]

*Gets Astil's vote some warm milk, and reads it a story.*

I want some milk and a story too.

Dude, my vote jumps like a ADHD child on speed and energy drinks, it's never comfy.


God that sounds like my nephew.


In all honesty Destiny knows he was being pressured last day phase, he should have known it was coming this phase.

Instead of doing ANYTHING he decides to say "hey I'm here I'm going to bed"

sounds more like an fu I'm not talking.

[Zeel1]

I want some milk and a story too.

*Gives milk and a story.*

[Arrows]

Honest to goodness was not being patronizing. You're a new player, and I'm not exactly 'famous' so I figured you figured I was new.

And I always think Arrows is scum. Lakeside.

Hell, even I'm not sure I'm town. Don't feel too bad.

Gonna take like, 30 f'n votes to kill me off for good though.:p

[GruntMark]

I lied. JMan didnt have the scummiest post day one. This was in my book.

That was your first mistake.

Also, Vote: Glotnot because Arrows and 'Banger voted for him.

And CBot had just made MJD look a bit silly.

Vote: MJDGoldeneye

[Astil]

I want some milk and a story too.




God that sounds like my nephew.


In all honesty Destiny knows he was being pressured last day phase, he should have known it was coming this phase.

Instead of doing ANYTHING he decides to say "hey I'm here I'm going to bed"

sounds more like an fu I'm not talking.

Could be a stall to think of information.

[moon_lit_tears]

Could be a stall to think of information.

Also makes him look kinda....dare I say...Scummy?

[Astil]

Hell, even I'm not sure I'm town. Don't feel too bad.

Gonna take like, 30 f'n votes to kill me off for good though.:p

So you're an SK?

[Astil]

Also makes him look kinda....dare I say...Scummy?

Yes, it does.

[Zeel1]

Hell, even I'm not sure I'm town. Don't feel too bad.

Gonna take like, 30 f'n votes to kill me off for good though.:p

So, you're claiming the Sewer Monster? :cool:

And CBot had just made MJD look a bit silly.

Vote: MJDGoldeneye

..maybe I'm slow, but I don't really see how him following the Destiny lead and CBot dying add up to MJD being scum.

You know something I don't, Grunt?

[Arrows]

So you're an SK?

Wouldn't that be fun?*Shrug*

[Antithesis]

Look at the kill part for the second one.


She moved with inhuman grace, nimbly bouncing from building to building. Upon arriving at her destination, she peaked inside: her target was sleeping. How convenient.

She slipped in through the window and looked around. That would do, she thought. She picked the object up.

Good grief it was heavy!

After a few stumbling steps, she accidently dropped the object. The owner sprung to his feet. "What was..."

And then he fell back onto the bed, snoring away.

The woman exhaled, then strained to pull the object up again. Moments later, she and the object had slipped out of the window.



***********************************
***********************************
Elsewhere...
OVER 9000 seconds later...
***********************************
***********************************


The man sat and meditated on the situation. He thought that this universe would be good for him. This man lived for the fight and was happy to have new challenges.

Unfortunately for this champion, there were those here that did not follow his system of honor. He wouldn't even be given the chance to face his foe directly.

Instead, a mountain of a man crashed through the wall behind him, dropping bricks and pieces of the building's wooden frame onto the meditating man's unsuspecting back, pinning him to the ground. The attacker finished the job very matter of factly, slamming his foot into the back of Comradebot's head, crushing his face into the ground.

Moments later, another showed up on the scene... Too late. Oh well.



***********************************
***********************************
Elsewhere...
OVER 9000 inches away...
***********************************
***********************************


Another massive man was out and about tonight. He stomped along the streets, looking for someone with answers. Along the way, he bumped into a more normal sized man.

This person freaked out and started screaming in the other guy's face, while simultaneously jabbing his finger into the big guy's chest. "Are you ****ing kidding me? Is this some of kind of joke? Are you trying to get me killed or what?"

This brute didn't take kindly to the finger jabbing or the yelling in his face. With surprising speed, he grabbed the smaller person's finger and bent it backwards, forcing him to his knees.

Hmm, maybe this little punk has some answers, the big guy thought. Just as he was about to break an arm, a small figure sprung out of nowhere. The small figure yelled:

"SURPRISE!"

And then blew a party blower in the big guy's direction. The contraption made a typically annoying noise, as it unrolled under the force of the small figure's lungs. The end of the party blower stopped inches from the big guys face.

With a determined look, the small figure blew again, this time harder. The party blower suddenly expanded one more time, with the end of it turning into an inflated fist, which struck the large man directly in the nose.

Irritated, he flung the other guy to the side and reached for the smaller figure. Much to his dismay, the little goof was long gone. Then he turned around and looked for the jerk from earlier. He had scattered off too.

Just his luck.

-------------------------------------------

Comradebot is dead. He was Ryu, Justice Aligned Street Fighting Champion.

Destiny has been released from jail. He is now free to participate in the thread.



Ok last write up.

Little guy asks big guy if he's trying to get him killed.

Big guy thinks little guy might have some answers

Another person shows up... could be a protection or a roleblock on some kind of investigator.


Still don't see the kill.

[GruntMark]

I always like these posts.

'What you guys are arguing about is a waste of time... meanwhile I will be busy not suggesting an alternative!'

Cause I had to find the appropiate quote. :p

[Astil]

Wouldn't that be fun?]

No. Why do you think no one else cares?

[Arrows]

Ok last write up.

Little guy asks big guy if he's trying to get him killed.

Big guy thinks little guy might have some answers

Another person shows up... could be a protection or a roleblock on some kind of investigator.


Still don't see the kill.

The second kill is, evidently the guy showing up too late.

How someone can be sure that's a kill, without BEING the killer, though........

[Astil]

Ok last write up.

Little guy asks big guy if he's trying to get him killed.

Big guy thinks little guy might have some answers

Another person shows up... could be a protection or a roleblock on some kind of investigator.


Still don't see the kill.

A protection would say 'oh well'? That's where I see the second killer.

[Nedew]

I think "Moments later, another showed up on the scene... Too late. Oh well." is what's supposed to be the 2nd kill attempt.

[Nedew]

Jesus christ is this thread annoyingly fast :p

[Astil]

I think "Moments later, another showed up on the scene... Too late. Oh well." is what's supposed to be the 2nd kill attempt.

/nod

Shakey... yes, I'll admit that.

[GruntMark]

..maybe I'm slow, but I don't really see how him following the Destiny lead and CBot dying add up to MJD being scum.

You know something I don't, Grunt?

/facepalm

That was him voting Glotnot. Not Destiny. That post struck me as incredibly scummy in a "they started a pointless bandwagon so my hands are clean if I jump on!"

Just stuck out to me the first day.

And I read a very likely second kill attempt on CBot that MJD was in an awful hurry to look the other way on.

[Astil]

Jesus christ is this thread annoyingly fast :p

I started posting again. If only DJ and Outlaw were here.

[Antithesis]

"Oh well"

I missed killing the same traget another scum took out or

"oh well"

I targeted Cbot to track him but he's dead

or

"oh well"

I targeted Cbot to watch him but now he's dead

or
"oh well"

I targetted Cbot to investigate him but now he's dead


I don't see the inference to a kill there.

[Astil]

/facepalm

That was him voting Glotnot. Not Destiny. That post struck me as incredibly scummy in a "they started a pointless bandwagon so my hands are clean if I jump on!"

Just stuck out to me the first day.

And I read a very likely second kill attempt on CBot that MJD was in an awful hurry to look the other way on.

Sorry, there's one post that leads me away from the MJD as a killer theory. Not from the MJD is scum, but as a killer. I would like to hear what he has to say though.

[Astil]

"Oh well"

I missed killing the same traget another scum took out or

"oh well"

I targeted Cbot to track him but he's dead

or

"oh well"

I targeted Cbot to watch him but now he's dead

or
"oh well"

I targetted Cbot to investigate him but now he's dead


I don't see the inference to a kill there.

Could all be. /shrug. I read it as a kill attempt though. Seems a few others did too.

[Glotnot]

Why? Because Derek_b said so?

Because he asked for info D1?

Because he expressed fear of a cult. I fear cults, and I won with one. The last thing, last thing, last thing a cultie wants to do is bring up a cult. Terrorists win by recruiting under the radar for as long as possible. This whole Destiny push is garbage. Absolute garbage.

Hmmmmm.

You are the second person to say that.

[Antithesis]

Could all be. /shrug. I read it as a kill attempt though. Seems a few others did too.

Well lets assume, for the sake of argument, that it wasn't a kill attempt.

Destiny was in jail. If that isn't a kill attempt then N1 we are missing at least one kill.

This is a more solid lead then the whole cult exposition.

I think Destiny still needs to explain himself.

[Astil]

Hmmmmm.

You are the second person to say that.

Interesting. Who was the first?

[Astil]

Well lets assume, for the sake of argument, that it wasn't a kill attempt.

Destiny was in jail. If that isn't a kill attempt then N1 we are missing at least one kill.

This is a more solid lead then the whole cult exposition.

I think Destiny still needs to explain himself.

/nod

This I can get behind. I'd like to hear Destiny about why we shouldn't hang him for being in jail when we may be short a kill.

[Glotnot]

Interesting. Who was the first?

That's what I thought the first time, and now there's two of you, so either this is jackpot, or I don't even know.

[Glotnot]

Does anyone else see it?

Is it just me?

Am I the only one who finds it odd?

[Astil]

That's what I thought the first time, and now there's two of you, so either this is jackpot, or I don't even know.

No, I'm sorry, there's but one of me.

[Arrows]

/nod

This I can get behind. I'd like to hear Destiny about why we shouldn't hang him for being in jail when we may be short a kill.

I could give you a very good reason why. Nobody cares though.:cool:

[Glotnot]

No, I'm sorry, there's but one of me.

I see.

I'll wait for someone else to say something before I ask.

[Astil]

I could give you a very good reason why. Nobody cares though.:cool:

*yaaawn*

[GruntMark]

Sorry, there's one post that leads me away from the MJD as a killer theory. Not from the MJD is scum, but as a killer. I would like to hear what he has to say though.

/nod

My gut right now says he's scum. And I know he'll pop in an tell us he always looks scummy, but Ive very rarely pointed a finger at him. That post just hit me day one as awfully scummy.

Im surprised no one protected CBot. After his run last game it was an almost too obvious first kill.

Anyway, I dont even remotely believe Destiny is a cult leader. When I see a recruitment in a writeup, I'll be willing to get onboard.

[Astil]

I see.

I'll wait for someone else to say something before I ask.

If this is an 'Astil is scum' press, my internet shuts down around 1 AM, so make it quick please.

[Antithesis]

Anyone else ask themselves why Cbot was targetted N1?

Payback for last game maybe?

[Arrows]

Anyone else ask themselves why Cbot was targetted N1?

Payback for last game maybe?

*Shrug* Always thought he was strong. Would be a N1 target of mine. Seems like a good N1 target honestly.

[Glotnot]

If this is an 'Astil is scum' press, my internet shuts down around 1 AM, so make it quick please.

Okay.

Why? Because Derek_b said so?

Because he asked for info D1?

Because he expressed fear of a cult. I fear cults, and I won with one. The last thing, last thing, last thing a cultie wants to do is bring up a cult. Terrorists win by recruiting under the radar for as long as possible. This whole Destiny push is garbage. Absolute garbage.

Could someone read that and tell me if anything stands out there?

[Glotnot]

Stands out that isn't the bolded part. >.<

[Arrows]

Okay.



Could someone read that and tell me if anything stands out there?

I know what you're pointing at. Can't remember who the other was.

[Glotnot]

I know what you're pointing at. Can't remember who the other was.

MLT.

[Zeel1]

Could someone read that and tell me if anything stands out there?

..well, he said bringing up fearing a cult is a bad thing for a cultie to do, before saying he feared cults..is that what you're saying?

[Nedew]

The mention of Terrorists?

[Zeel1]

..well, he said bringing up fearing a cult is a bad thing for a cultie to do, before saying he feared cults..is that what you're saying?

*after.

[Glotnot]

I know what you're pointing at. Can't remember who the other was.

Just search the thread for it.

It doesn't show up many times; the two instances, and this conversation.

[Antithesis]

Okay.



Could someone read that and tell me if anything stands out there?

Well first thing that pops into my mind is that there was no reason for Destiny to think Zeel was in a Cult to start his questioning.

Destiny questioned Zeel because of his character hint, that much is obvious to me.

[Astil]

Can I defend myself now or will we play smoke and mirrors a bit longer.

I do enjoy smoke and mirrors.

[Glotnot]

The mention of Terrorists?

That.

Not one, but two people mentioned Terrorists as being a scum group.

I just think it's...odd?

Personally, I didn't start with any knowledge as to the name of the scum group.

[Comradebot]

And here I was starting to worry WC was going to threaten my chances to repeat my Panix award.

Good luck town!

[moon_lit_tears]

MLT.

LOL I was joking with Astil about the silly mafia game. Was not a hint claim or even a mention of anything to do with this game.

[GruntMark]

Stands out that isn't the bolded part. >.<

LOL

Should have unbolded that. Took me several readings to see much else.

But I think its a reference to something else.

[Astil]

That.

Not one, but two people mentioned Terrorists as being a scum group.

I just think it's...odd?

Personally, I didn't start with any knowledge as to the name of the scum group.

EPIC FACEPALM

Terrorists is the CULT GROUP I won a game with. A prior game with. Harkening to the past. Sci Fi Chaos.

[Arrows]

That.

Not one, but two people mentioned Terrorists as being a scum group.

I just think it's...odd?

Personally, I didn't start with any knowledge as to the name of the scum group.

That is....very...odd

[Zeel1]

And here I was starting to worry WC was going to threaten my chances to repeat my Panix award.

Good luck town!

Well, that's Day 1..

You know what, there should be an award for most likely to die Night 1. The exact opposite of the Panix. :p

[Astil]

That is....very...odd

No Arrows, you are not that clueless. Bad Arrows.

[Glotnot]

EPIC FACEPALM

Terrorists is the CULT GROUP I won a game with. A prior game with. Harkening to the past. Sci Fi Chaos.

Ah, okay.

Never mind then. :p

But if Terrorists ends up being a group in this game, I will be coming for you.

With my coffin full of weapons.

[Nedew]

It's nearly 4.30am, so i'm hitting the sack now.

But lordy, this is gonna be a thread and a half to catch up on tomorrow i feel. Fun reading awaits.

[Arrows]

No Arrows, you are not that clueless. Bad Arrows.

I wasn't around for that game.

[mjdgoldeneye]

This town sucks. You took Derek_b on his word that 'Destiny looks scummy' and ran with it for 12 votes? More?

WC basicaly made a role title blue and 'justice aligned' but thats cool?

I'm ashamed.

No, actually. Derek didn't have to say anything for Destiny to look scummy. He just happened to be the first to articulate it into a series of sentences.

As I said already, WC is probably scum too. (Or, rather, is scum for sure, regardless of Destiny's alignment.)

/facepalm

That was him voting Glotnot. Not Destiny. That post struck me as incredibly scummy in a "they started a pointless bandwagon so my hands are clean if I jump on!"

Just stuck out to me the first day.

And I read a very likely second kill attempt on CBot that MJD was in an awful hurry to look the other way on.

You should know by now that I don't read all that good and stuff. See: Any game I've ever been in when I try to break down a write-up.

I flat out didn't read that last sentence.

When someone brought it up, I mentally acknowledged it but didn't correct myself because there no reason at all to assume or suggest it was a kill attempt. I can obviously see that it very well may have been, but I didn't think someone would get antsy and go after me for it.

And, yes, I will bring up how I always seem scummy. I wasn't called on it in Futurama because I claimed a bulletproof townie who happened to be the main character. When I don't get blessed with such a role, things become difficult. (However, fortunately, I do have that sort of a role, but that's all your getting from me.)

Finally, for the record, I would never ever ever ever ever ever do something in a game as "revenge". That's mean/foolish/painfully obvious. Anyone (yes, Arrows included) that decides their actions in a game based on events in previous games is being petty.

Does anyone else see it?

Is it just me?

Am I the only one who finds it odd?

Well, I don't really see it being THAT odd. I consider it common sense that a cult member wouldn't bring up a cult so saying that is just an extension of what I assume most of us already know. I can see Destiny making that mistake, though. I can also see how an odd mention of a cult for no reason would be suspicious.

[mjdgoldeneye]

The mention of Terrorists?

Sorry, I didn't catch that. Ignore my response to Glot in my previous post.

[Arrows]

I'm not petty, If I gotta kill, and decide who to kill, people who killed me get first dibs so others don't lose game time and fun.:p

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm not petty, If I gotta kill, and decide who to kill, people who killed me get first dibs so others don't lose game time and fun.:p

As far as justifications go, that's acceptable. :p

[Arrows]

As far as justifications go, that's acceptable. :p

My hitlist has reset, btw. I got no clue who to kill.

[Zeel1]

Note to any rookies reading/playing: If you are going to make a "Hey, you know what I hope isn't in this game?/Hey, you know what would be cool if it was in this game?" post, do so about two or more things. For example on Day 1, I mentioned the possibilities of both Pyramid Head, and the transported wrestlers, being in the game. I can't be both, so no one jumped on it.

[Astil]

Ah, okay.

Never mind then. :p

But if Terrorists ends up being a group in this game, I will be coming for you.

With my coffin full of weapons.


Its k. I lold
I wasn't around for that game.

Oh. My bad. Was a good game. My team won.

Had to move to DS. May be slower.

[Arrows]

Note to any rookies reading/playing: If you are going to make a "Hey, you know what I hope isn't in this game?/Hey, you know what would be cool if it was in this game?" post, do so about two or more things. For example on Day 1, I mentioned the possibilities of both Pyramid Head, and the transported wrestlers, being in the game. I can't be both, so no one jumped on it.

We all just know who you are.

[Antithesis]

While I am a little troubled by Astil's support of Destiny...

Could be townie reasons for it. I know sometimes in themed games if I am given a role tied to an obviously town character I become more vocal myself.

But I'm not leaning either way on that.

The MJD thing... yeah. I got a strange vive from him D1 as well. He said before the write up that he didn't send in a pm or didn't go out or something. Maybe he's the Don. :D

WC is.. WC

The "terrorist" thing is a reference to Sci Fi Chaos.

Also this is gonna be a bit meta, so cover your eyes Jman and Cbot.

But having helped put games together with IER and DWW, I can't recall either of them being big fans of cults and the game mechanics associated with them.

If we get anotehr night phase without a description of a recruitment, then personally, I'd stop pushing to lynch folks over what is basically just conjecture. Conjecture's fine for D1, imho. But after that we gotta start playing tighter.

[Antithesis]

Ah, okay.

Never mind then. :p

But if Terrorists ends up being a group in this game, I will be coming for you.

With my coffin full of weapons.

Gungrave?

[moon_lit_tears]

I wasn't around for that game.

Its k. I lold


Oh. My bad. Was a good game. My team won.

Had to move to DS. May be slower.

So did I

Yes Arrows was in the game.

Arrows is dead he was Doctor Who Town aligned, enigmatic, selfless timelord

[Astil]

Hey Arrows, LBC.

[Arrows]

So did I

Yes Arrows was in the game.

Arrows is dead he was Doctor Who Town aligned, enigmatic, selfless timelord

...Was I?

.....

[Astil]

Antithesis, I am not in support of Destiny, just against stupid lynches.

[mjdgoldeneye]

My hitlist has reset, btw. I got no clue who to kill.

Hmm... How about... Gonvick?

**Waits for next write-up to test theory**

:p

As for me being don: What kind of use would saying that I didn't do anything have during twilight? I meant that in a "If I die, I didn't target anyone in case that's relevant" kind of way.

I can see you thinking I was setting up some sort of sham for future use, but why would I say that when I did? If I actually died and was scum, it would be meaningless!

[gonvick]

I apparently read Destiny's questioning differently than Derek, and perhaps others, did. And while his comments about hoping there isn't a cult might be somewhat interesting if we had a cult in play, I don't think it warrants the amount of attention it's received in the absence of any evidence of a cult.

So I haven't been a proponent of lynching him, and not terribly interested in pressuring him earlier. But I presume he was caught up with everything when this day phase started, so to just leave without addressing the situation at all is worrisome.

And without knowing for sure if there was a second attempted kill in the write up, questioning someone we know was roleblocked makes sense. So hopefully he'll have something to say soon.

[Arrows]

Hmm... How about... Gonvick?

**Waits for next write-up to test theory**

:p

As for me being don: What kind of use would saying that I didn't do anything have during twilight? I meant that in a "If I die, I didn't target anyone in case that's relevant" kind of way.

I can see you thinking I was setting up some sort of sham for future use, but why would I say that when I did? If I actually died and was scum, it would be meaningless!

Dying as scum is only half as likely as dying as town. Even less so if you're one of the dons with auto-protection.

[BHK1978]

Antithesis, I am not in support of Destiny, just against stupid lynches.

I agree, and here is something that will probably get me called scum.

Did anybody stop to think that maybe Destiny's questions towards Zeel is because Zeel always makes jokes about Destiny being scum? Yes Zeel does it in jest as do I.

However, maybe Destiny just wanted to zing him back for once. Yeah Destiny is nice but I highly doubt that he isn't above petty pay back.

[Antithesis]

Antithesis, I am not in support of Destiny, just against stupid lynches.

I'd disagree, not just because of the cult thing but your interpretation of the write up also favored Destiny.

If 'Oh Well' is a missed kill, then Destiny's time in jail doesn't look as bad.

Either one, by themselves, is okay i suppose, but together they do appear a tad suspect, imho.

Or, to break it down even further, at the end of the day, even if the case against Destiny is flawed, that doesn't mean he's town. If he comes up scum, your arguments about "stupid lynches" looks much more damning.

But, like I said, maybe you have an ultra townie character and can risk it.

Maybe we'll see. :D

[mjdgoldeneye]

Dying as scum is only half as likely as dying as town. Even less so if you're one of the dons with auto-protection.

If anyone wants to make a run to lynch me, maybe today isn't the best day regardless. It'd end in an abrupt dead end and disappointment.

So, look elsewhere. I'm sorry, your princess if in another castle.

[Zeel1]

Antithesis, I am not in support of Destiny, just against stupid lynches.

*stupid pressuring.

As I and Nedew have already said, we want to lynch WC.

We're pressuring Destiny first. Not lynching him.

[mjdgoldeneye]

If anyone wants to make a run to lynch me, maybe today isn't the best day regardless. It'd end in an abrupt dead end and disappointment.

So, look elsewhere. I'm sorry, your princess if in another castle.

Not that that idea has been proposed... Yea, yea, "Overly defensive". We've been down this road before. :p

[Antithesis]

If anyone wants to make a run to lynch me, maybe today isn't the best day regardless. It'd end in an abrupt dead end and disappointment.

So, look elsewhere. I'm sorry, your princess if in another castle.

Mario?

This is a bad habit I have.

[Astil]

I'd disagree, not just because of the cult thing but your interpretation of the write up also favored Destiny.

If 'Oh Well' is a missed kill, then Destiny's time in jail doesn't look as bad.

Either one, by themselves, is okay i suppose, but together they do appear a tad suspect, imho.

Or, to break it down even further, at the end of the day, even if the case against Destiny is flawed, that doesn't mean he's town. If he comes up scum, your arguments about "stupid lynches" looks much more damning.

But, like I said, maybe you have an ultra townie character and can risk it.

Maybe we'll see. :D

I can defenetly see where your coming from. Ill play ball if suspicion is thrown my way.

[gonvick]

Hmm... How about... Gonvick?

**Waits for next write-up to test theory**

:p

Any particular reason you want me dead? :eek:


As for me being don: What kind of use would saying that I didn't do anything have during twilight? I meant that in a "If I die, I didn't target anyone in case that's relevant" kind of way.

I can see you thinking I was setting up some sort of sham for future use, but why would I say that when I did? If I actually died and was scum, it would be meaningless!

If you are Don, you have less of a chance to die, so you would presumably not be as worried about that outcome. Setting up a future claim would still be worth the effort because you have a much greater chance of surviving than dieing.

[Astil]

*stupid pressuring.

As I and Nedew have already said, we want to lynch WC.

We're pressuring Destiny first. Not lynching him.

You guys got too close D1 for my comfort.

[Astil]

Arrows, LBC.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 2. With 33 players remaining, you have until 9:30 pm EDT (on Monday, March 22nd) / 1:30 am GMT (on Tuesday, March 23rd) to reach a majority of 17 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Astil - 1 (Arrows)
Arrows - 1 (Astil)
Destiny - 5 (derek_b, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye, Nedew, Antithesis)
mjdgoldeneye - 1 (GruntMark)

[Antithesis]

I can kind of see what MJ is saying, but what he did was.. I dunno.

Petrija did it in Simpsons because she was hider and she'd die if she targetted scum, so she said who she targetted and oops, she died.

And scum was lynched.

I did it in Futurama because Sean was described as a mosnter and I didn't expect to survive but either way it would have (so I thought) let the town know what was going on.

I don't see the point of posting before the write up to say you didn't do anything.

Its not like you had pressure on you before that or anything.

[Arrows]

Arrows, LBC.

LBC?

[Astil]

LBC?

Nevermind then.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Mario?

This is a bad habit I have.

Well, let's just say that I've used the "Your princess is in another castle" line in other mafia games.

Also, yea, some people are far dumber/less attentive than you. If you think you've got a hint, hold onto it for a while. :p

Any particular reason you want me dead? :eek:

For the record, it was a joke. :p

You see, if Arrows actually... Well, you get it... :cool:

[Zeel1]

You guys got too close D1 for my comfort.

...what, me and Nedew?

Arrows, LBC

I don't know what LBC stands for, but if by that you mean it was me and Arrows, then that's to be expected. We actually have become friends recently, and I actually do see myself as a protege to him. The first I go to when I need advice. Occassionally, I'll go along with what he says, but he hasn't shifted my opinion this game, or appeared 100% town to me out of bias. I haven't blindly followed him, or atleast not like I did in Pokemon. I can see how we come off as a little chummy, though.

[moon_lit_tears]

If

I'm sorry, your princess if in another castle.

Yeah I am. :p

[Arrows]

Well, let's just say that I've used the "Your princess is in another castle" line in other mafia games.

Also, yea, some people are far dumber/less attentive than you. If you think you've got a hint, hold onto it for a while. :p



For the record, it was a joke. :p

You see, if Arrows actually... Well, you get it... :cool:

Meh. I WOULD say that "Someone can just kill him and you go "Uh huh!"", but ..yea. Nah.

[Astil]

...what, me and Nedew?



I don't know what LBC stands for, but if by that you mean it was me and Arrows, then that's to be expected. We actually have become friends recently, and I actually do see myself as a protege to him. The first I go to when I need advice. Occassionally, I'll go along with what he says, but he hasn't shifted my opinion this game, or appeared 100% town to me out of bias. I haven't blindly followed him, or atleast not like I did in Pokemon. I can see how we come off as a little chummy, though.

LBC meant nothing. Ignore it.

[Zeel1]

LBC meant nothing. Ignore it.

What meant nothing? ;)

[Arrows]

...what, me and Nedew?



I don't know what LBC stands for, but if by that you mean it was me and Arrows, then that's to be expected. We actually have become friends recently, and I actually do see myself as a protege to him. The first I go to when I need advice. Occassionally, I'll go along with what he says, but he hasn't shifted my opinion this game, or appeared 100% town to me out of bias. I haven't blindly followed him, or atleast not like I did in Pokemon. I can see how we come off as a little chummy, though.

You don't wanna follow where I go this game. People generally don't come back from there.

[mjdgoldeneye]

If someone does actually kill Gonvick, it'd be the least inspired framing ever... :p

[Arrows]

If someone does actually kill Gonvick, it'd be the least inspired framing ever... :p

Then

Then!

Then I could say! That I was framed?

[mjdgoldeneye]

Then

Then!

Then I could say! That I was framed?

And with this, I leave for the night. :p

[gonvick]

Then

Then!

Then I could say! That I was framed?

Well, as long as it serves a useful purpose.

[Astil]

Then

Then!

Then I could say! That I was framed?

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b332/astil/Nemesis2-1.jpg

You were framed.

[Astil]

And with this, I leave for the night. :p

Me too. Night all.

[Prophet]

Are you town? Do you go out at night? Are you looking to harm or protect?

^- These are the 3 questions... erm... in question right? Maybe I'm not looking right, seriously, but how is this 'looking to recruit'?

The only red flag I saw in the questioning was the wording of one of the questions. But I didn't vote yesterday, because of the alternate theory, however, with his name bantered about through most of yesterday, and throughout the night, to simply throw vagueness into the thread, and disappear doesn't support my earlier notions. Continued after the song break ...

Little Miss Can't be Wrong or Two Princes?

Said if you want to call me baby, just go ahead now ...

I agree, and here is something that will probably get me called scum.

Did anybody stop to think that maybe Destiny's questions towards Zeel is because Zeel always makes jokes about Destiny being scum? Yes Zeel does it in jest as do I.

However, maybe Destiny just wanted to zing him back for once. Yeah Destiny is nice but I highly doubt that he isn't above petty pay back.

I don't believe so. Possible, sure, but I don't believe so. The line of questions as a whole, don't seem as harmful as they are when individually looked at. Was he looking for someone specific? Possible. Was he looking for a recruit? Also possible. I don't know, and the person who does won't answer the questions posed.

I understand the time difference factor, but he had some idea of the momentum the wagon gained, he had some idea as to why fingers were pointed, names were bantered, and theories were passed around like Paris Hilton at a dorm party. And his response was "I don't like cults, cults are bad." That's not helpful, that's ... obstruction. I don't know Destiny's end game, but all the pieces fitting together make my original thought less likely, and the possibility that Destiny is a cult/killer/some sort of twisted Twinkie cowboy hellbent on world domination/et al is growing stronger.

[Prophet]

LBC meant nothing. Ignore it.

Lakers ... Been ... Colonized?

The hell does that mean? :p

[BHK1978]

Lakers ... Been ... Colonized?

The hell does that mean? :p

Wasn't LBC a rap group on Death Row Records back in the 90's?

[Zeel1]

Lakers ... Been ... Colonized?

The hell does that mean? :p

Differant definitions I found:

Long Beach, California

Long Beach, Compton

Lucky Boys Confusion (band)

Long Beach City

Long Beach Crip(s)

Lancaster Bible College

Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation

Lousiana Baptist Convention


..I don't think it's any of those. :p

[Arrows]

Wasn't LBC a rap group on Death Row Records back in the 90's?

....Buncha pansies.

[Prophet]

Wasn't LBC a rap group on Death Row Records back in the 90's?

It's possible. Only place I remember LBC from (I think) was the song Boyz in the Hood. Both the original and the remake by those 3 guys from Kentucky or something. lol

Differant definitions I found:

Long Beach, California

Long Beach, Compton

Lucky Boys Confusion (band)

Long Beach City

Long Beach Crip(s)

Lancaster Bible College

Lebanese Broadcasting Corporation

Lousiana Baptist Convention


..I don't think it's any of those. :p

It's possible Astil was asking if Arrows had relocated to Long Beach, ya never know. :p

Hey Zeel, this may help my line of thinking, and how it's differing between yesterday and today. You mentioned a second part of your win condition, yeah? Did that involve a specific individual? Without specifics, I just think this might help me grasp what I percieved to be going on.

[BHK1978]

....Buncha pansies.

The one time I actually contribute (even if it has nothing to do with the actual game) to the conversation and you say this...:(:D

[Arrows]

The one time I actually contribute (even if it has nothing to do with the actual game) to the conversation and you say this...:(:D

Normally, I wouldn't be this obvious, but, eh.

If Astil and you were looking at the same thing, I think he knows who I am. If he was, my response to you will confirm it for him. Thus, why I said that.

[Zeel1]

Hey Zeel, this may help my line of thinking, and how it's differing between yesterday and today. You mentioned a second part of your win condition, yeah? Did that involve a specific individual? Without specifics, I just think this might help me grasp what I percieved to be going on.

No.

[Prophet]

No.

Then my initial theory was wrong, and ... one of Destiny's questions worries me.

[bak42]

For me, it's one of those guilty pleasure movies. Like Killer Klowns from Outer Space. It's nowhere near a good movie, but I can't help but enjoy it. That, and I like singing along to Time Warp. :pWhat's scary is I can sing along to the entire Rocky Horror soundtrack.

"Oh well"

I missed killing the same traget another scum took out or

"oh well"

I targeted Cbot to track him but he's dead

or

"oh well"

I targeted Cbot to watch him but now he's dead

or
"oh well"

I targetted Cbot to investigate him but now he's dead


I don't see the inference to a kill there.

Heck, it could even have been a recruitment attempt on Cbot.

[Prophet]

What's scary is I can sing along to the entire Rocky Horror soundtrack.

Knew there was a reason I liked you, Bak. lol I can do that with Les Mis. Little weird singing both Valjean and Javert, but it gets me through the day. lol

Heck, it could even have been a recruitment attempt on Cbot.

Ya know, to be honest, I hadn't considered that. Would explain the lackadaisical attitude. "Would've been nice, but ... oh well." Hell!

[Jman2k3]

Is that the one with the killer robots in the mall? If so the yes yes yes.

Yes, yes it is.


Damn C-Bot can't catch a break. The town losing Ryu could be bad if I am thinking of the role he could have. The people I thinking that could have killed him besides the usual villians from Marvel or DC is Zangief, Sagat, Bison, or maybe Akuma. Suspicious about T-Hawk as well.



Heck, it could even have been a recruitment attempt on Cbot.

I don't Ryu is possible of recruitment. He usually does his own thing.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Can you see where I'm coming from in my frustration on the wagon.

Also, scum lynch slow to the gallow, mislynch happens fast.

I dunno, I'd see it more as down the middle, or like 70/30. Mislynches sometimes backtrack/pause because of scum second-guessing their position, their stance or their strategy.

Astil, you're verging less on "concerned townie" and more on "Destiny's saviour" the longer you keep this up.

Ah, that'd be like a hypothetical tag team lumberjack match goin' on here.

You guys seem awfully jumpy.

When you've been around for so long in the world of mafia, jumpy isn't even the word. And eventually, your gut leads a certain way...


Also, Buu, Magneto, and Mystique are lame.

Son, you are getting on my nerves. You're lucky I've agreed with the rest of your post. :mad:

Honest to goodness was not being patronizing. You're a new player, and I'm not exactly 'famous' so I figured you figured I was new.

And I always think Arrows is scum. Lakeside.

Oh, well that explains everything. Gotham for me.

I think "Moments later, another showed up on the scene... Too late. Oh well." is what's supposed to be the 2nd kill attempt.

Could be anything, really.. as much a kill as an investigation, roleblock, and anything in the book. Who says he was late for some murkin'?

You don't wanna follow where I go this game. People generally don't come back from there.

heh, thought so.

[Waghlon]

Damn C-Bot can't catch a break. The town losing Ryu could be bad if I am thinking of the role he could have. The people I thinking that could have killed him besides the usual villians from Marvel or DC is Zangief, Sagat, Bison, or maybe Akuma. Suspicious about T-Hawk as well.


Im willing to say that a couple of SF characters probably have made it into this game if Ryu is here:

Chun-Li/Guile: Town aligned roleblocker (or dare i say, the person who arrested Destiny?)
Akuma: Indy aligned plain killer (no, not SK)
M. Bison: Scum (or cult) don/PGO. And if Bison's here, one of his associates are here too, thats either Sagat or Vega probably. The latter would make for an excellent assassin.

But if any SF character killed Ryu in the night, it would be Sagat. He's a mountain of a man, he could most definitely land a kick in the back anyone's head.

[SuperOwens]

/nod

My gut right now says he's scum. And I know he'll pop in an tell us he always looks scummy, but Ive very rarely pointed a finger at him. That post just hit me day one as awfully scummy.

Im surprised no one protected CBot. After his run last game it was an almost too obvious first kill.

Anyway, I dont even remotely believe Destiny is a cult leader. When I see a recruitment in a writeup, I'll be willing to get onboard.

Cbot and you always seem to be good day 1 kills. Its kind of strange as well, as protectors will always look after Derek, Arrows Banger but its highly unlikely scum would ever pick those targets night 1. There also the most likely to be tracked/watched.


I don't know what LBC stands for, but if by that you mean it was me and Arrows, then that's to be expected. We actually have become friends recently, and I actually do see myself as a protege to him. The first I go to when I need advice. Occassionally, I'll go along with what he says, but he hasn't shifted my opinion this game, or appeared 100% town to me out of bias. I haven't blindly followed him, or atleast not like I did in Pokemon. I can see how we come off as a little chummy, though.


I found this a bit odd. I don't really see how Astil was coming anywhere near suggesting this. Crossed wires maybe? Or something more?

Anyhow, think I'm going to add to the Destiny pressure. I understand where your coming from Astil, but I dont think you have played with WC before. Others are right, you either vote to lynch him o dont vote. You wont ever learn anything.

Vote: Destiny

Want to hear a bit more from you mate. Why the questions? Why Zeel?

[GruntMark]

Cbot and you always seem to be good day 1 kills. Its kind of strange as well, as protectors will always look after Derek, Arrows Banger but its highly unlikely scum would ever pick those targets night 1. There also the most likely to be tracked/watched.


/nod

I like to think I string together incredibly short games with fairly long ones. I pretty well figured I'd die soon in Pokemon after having lived for most of Host.

And since I died early in Futurama, seems a safe bet I'll be around for awhile here.

Anyhow...enough about me. While I still dont think Destiny is a cult leader it probably is time for him to give us something about himself. At this point its becoming an annoying distraction and is holding the town up.

[Jaded]

As others have said, no point questioning WC because...

Well, just read his past games and you'll see.

As for Ryu's death - ugh.

*rolls his eyes into the back of his head*

Let's keep the pressure on Destiny.

Vote: Destiny

[Destiny]

I can kind of see what MJ is saying, but what he did was.. I dunno.

Petrija did it in Simpsons because she was hider and she'd die if she targetted scum, so she said who she targetted and oops, she died.

And scum was lynched.

I did it in Futurama because Sean was described as a mosnter and I didn't expect to survive but either way it would have (so I thought) let the town know what was going on.

I don't see the point of posting before the write up to say you didn't do anything.

Its not like you had pressure on you before that or anything.

I've quoted this post for a reason. I don't want to be too active today, as the sun is shining.

[SuperOwens]

I've quoted this post for a reason. I don't want to be too active today, as the sun is shining.

Hmm, how to that refer to you though? Anti was talking about MJ.

Daytime restriction? Didn't seem to be a problem last day phase. To be honest mate, this just raises more questions and doesnt really make me feel better about you in any way.

[supermareo]

I've quoted this post for a reason. I don't want to be too active today, as the sun is shining.

so rather than answer the pressure on yourself whilst your here you decide to try and take the discussion in another direction

Vote: Destiny

[Derek B]

I want some milk and a story too.




God that sounds like my nephew.


In all honesty Destiny knows he was being pressured last day phase, he should have known it was coming this phase.

Instead of doing ANYTHING he decides to say "hey I'm here I'm going to bed"

sounds more like an fu I'm not talking.

Could be a stall to think of information.

Also makes him look kinda....dare I say...Scummy?

Yes, it does.

The only red flag I saw in the questioning was the wording of one of the questions. But I didn't vote yesterday, because of the alternate theory, however, with his name bantered about through most of yesterday, and throughout the night, to simply throw vagueness into the thread, and disappear doesn't support my earlier notions. Continued after the song break ...



Said if you want to call me baby, just go ahead now ...



I don't believe so. Possible, sure, but I don't believe so. The line of questions as a whole, don't seem as harmful as they are when individually looked at. Was he looking for someone specific? Possible. Was he looking for a recruit? Also possible. I don't know, and the person who does won't answer the questions posed.

I understand the time difference factor, but he had some idea of the momentum the wagon gained, he had some idea as to why fingers were pointed, names were bantered, and theories were passed around like Paris Hilton at a dorm party. And his response was "I don't like cults, cults are bad." That's not helpful, that's ... obstruction. I don't know Destiny's end game, but all the pieces fitting together make my original thought less likely, and the possibility that Destiny is a cult/killer/some sort of twisted Twinkie cowboy hellbent on world domination/et al is growing stronger.

Just wanted to quote stuff... here's the most relevant of Destiny's line of questioning too, along with Zeel's answers where some context is required. And after each of Destiny's posts a quick idea of what I was seeing him say, the reasoning behind my push... well, that and the 48 hour avoidance of saying anything of relevance since then despite obviously reading what has been said. :p

I think it is perhaps best to ask the questions individually. Are you completely town?

"Do you belong to a group that isn't mine?"

Wow, starting out with the tough ones, aren't you? :p As a matter of fact, yes, yes I am.

Zeel1, it will be very obvious to me very soon if you are lying. Thanks for your answer. Do you go out at night?

"If you do belong to another group then I'll know"

Thanks for your answers Zeel1. Just one more - when you go out at night, are you looking to cause problems for people or prevent them?

"Is your ability useful to me?"

There were other posts that kinda fluffed out the whole thing, but these set me on edge the moment I read them. As has been confirmed in later posts in various ways there are competing groups of various kinds. A limited number of kills (1 confirmed, another suspected) points towards some other kind of evil force at work too.

I don't expect everyone else to read Destiny's posts the same way I do but the questions set alarm bells ringing for me (and garnered a lot of votes), along with getting him jailed and there being a noticeable lack of evil activity in the write up. To me it points towards Destiny as a likely candidate for being bad. It's not a 100% dead cert thing, but he had pressure on him that would have gotten him lynched AND he ignored it. He gave us nothing when direct questions were asked and nothing when hints were requested.

I'm happy to push this. And if people want to blame me for anything, then go ahead. Without any other strong leads or arguments, I'm pushing this ti Destiny breaks and I'll happily take 100% responsibility for the outcome. I'll consider it by contribution before my inevitable self-created doom for being too awesome. :p

[Derek B]

I've quoted this post for a reason. I don't want to be too active today, as the sun is shining.

It's cloudy in Scotland so I'm going to be next to my keyboard... specially since work didn't call me in so I'm not getting extra cash. :(

More importantly, this is a mafia game trait you REALLY need to improve on. I've seen you do similar things in previous games where you either give nothing or give everything. And to be honest, games like Pokemon where you failed to respond ro pressure properly are the games you get lynched in... and you are scum. When under pressure, deal with pressure THEN disappear. At least give something, as so far you look like you are stalling, which is what scum do when they don't have a fake claim ready.

[supermareo]

hold on a sec i think iv just realised what destiny is claming


Change Vote: No Vote

[supermareo]

It's cloudy in Scotland so I'm going to be next to my keyboard... specially since work didn't call me in so I'm not getting extra cash. :(

More importantly, this is a mafia game trait you REALLY need to improve on. I've seen you do similar things in previous games where you either give nothing or give everything. And to be honest, games like Pokemon where you failed to respond ro pressure properly are the games you get lynched in... and you are scum. When under pressure, deal with pressure THEN disappear. At least give something, as so far you look like you are stalling, which is what scum do when they don't have a fake claim ready.


derek i think the post he quoted was a clue to the role he's got if im right and the questions he asked on day 1 make sense in that context

[SuperOwens]

hold on a sec i think iv just realised what destiny is claming


Change Vote: No Vote

I'm not really a good comic book/anime/games guy, but there is obviously one character everybody knows that power is relating to the sun. Dont think I'm revealing to much here because the whole world knows it.

But I don't understand how that would relate to not being active, surely night time would make more sense?

But like I say, may have completely wrong end of the stick.

[supermareo]

I'm not really a good comic book/anime/games guy, but there is obviously one character everybody knows that power is relating to the sun. Dont think I'm revealing to much here because the whole world knows it.

But I don't understand how that would relate to not being active, surely night time would make more sense?

But like I say, may have completely wrong end of the stick.

not just the wrong end of the stick but a completely different stick altogether i think :p

[SuperOwens]

derek i think the post he quoted was a clue to the role he's got if im right and the questions he asked on day 1 make sense in that context

I'm an idiot.

Interesting claim and makes some sense.

[SuperOwens]

not just the wrong end of the stick but a completely different stick altogether i think :p

Yeah, got it from your previous post.

[Derek B]

Hmmm....

......

Hmmm.....

......

Hmmmmmmmm....

....

I HATE the character you guys seem to be thinking of (in real life terms). Destiny still didn't answer questions about culty recruiteriness though, which given the death of Iron Man doesn't fill me with goodness.

....

Hmmm.....

....

This isn't really a long post, I'm just pondering the set-up of this game is all. And trying to work out how to build a heavyweight division that is better than my junior division in my 0/0/0/0 Japanese game in TEW. Damn you PGHW, BHOTWG, GCG and WLW! DAMN YOU!!! :eek:

[SuperOwens]

Just watching the Liverpool game. Been thinking about this and why so many questions? "Are you trying to cause problems or prevent them?" I don't see how that would effect the mechanic in anyway, why do you need to know that?