[GAME THREAD]: OVER 9000-verse Mafia!

[Imarevenant]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 4 (Antithesis, derek_b, trypio, Glotnot)
SuperOwens - 1 (Gonvick)
Prophet - 3 (Jman2k3, GruntMark, eayragt)

[Derek B]

I'm not a recruiter, I'm a hider. I'm fairly certain Arrows was bus-driven as I tried to hide behind him last night, and I didn't die.

That's fine, I understand I need to answer more. If I hide behind any player I am untargettable, however I will die if the person I target dies.

At least these two quotes make sense... what happens if you hide behind scum? I've asked this at least three times FFS! If you don't know (and assuming your telling the truth Anonymiss (note: I hadn't said the name before now despite looking it up) then ask the mods. Be certain and stop dicking us around.

Obviously I'm pretty new to this, but from what I've been able to gather from everyone, Destiny is supposed to be a pretty good player and this kind of behaviour is out of character for him... which if correct, makes me wonder if perhaps there's a little something else to his role forcing him to act a certain way?

I mean he was pretty close to getting lynched a day or so ago, so surely he'd be more accomodating if possible?

He isn't a good player.

If I was going to lie about where I hid last night, do you honestly think I'd choose one of the two people who died?

Interesting you should ask that when I pull out these handy quotes about stuff from.... the past... *insert spooky music*

I think it is perhaps best to ask the questions individually. Are you completely town?

Zeel1, it will be very obvious to me very soon if you are lying. Thanks for your answer. Do you go out at night?

That's the thing, WC.

*I*, lie a lot.

I do so for my own reasons. People have gotten used to it. I understand more than anyone what you THINK you're doing, but you're not.

"Oh, I targeted Arrows and he did nothing!"

Now, you're obviously lying about something here. Is it who you are, or what you did?

Either way, those are things you do not lie about. Lie about your abilities, lie about your role color. Mine's purple, btw.

Do not lie about your character. Do not lie about your actions at night if they effect someone else. You do both, consistently, and bounce around like crazy.

Honestly, nobody cares about anything you say because you're never telling the truth. We don't even want to read your posts because they're just pointless, annoying, and filled with lies.

Basically, your story isn't adding up. Out of everyone in the thread you targetted one of the people who in fact had actually claimed to not be blue, something you also claim you'd be able to tell.

You've repeatedly said you are just a hider, you're claiming an obscure character (apparantly) and you've dicked the town around for days with crappy town play/weak scum play. In mafia game terms, you deserve to die for your in-game crimes regardless of what side you are on because you'd rather talk in the discussionforum than pay any attention the battery of questions posed to you.

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You deserve to be lynched because there isn't anyone going to be stupid enough to waste effort on you in the night phase. It's in the town's best interest to lynch Destiny because scum obviously won't do anything about him and Destiny clearly doesn't give a crap about what's going on in the game thread if he's town and is detrimental all round with zero chance of helping. Lynch.

[moon_lit_tears]

I didn't understand what happen at that mid day write up... odd.


Some ones character is apparently changing.


Wait, Destiny said if he hides behind someone who dies he dies. Didn't Arrows die last night?

[crayon]

I didn't understand what happen at that mid day write up... odd.

I have a small inkling of what it may be, vaguely... and if I'm right it could be quite a bit of trouble for everyone.

[mjdgoldeneye]

@MLT: I think Destiny suggested Arrows was bus-ed, so he didn't die for that reason.

Still, too much time has been invested in this without a resolution in sight. Derek never (ever) has been one to go on a PP-esque campaign. Destiny's story isn't entirely solid.

This needs to be cut off one way or the other and, the fact is, I don't see a reason to trust Destiny. The evidence against him isn't overwhelming, but we're going to have to deal with this at some point. Do you really see us just ignoring him and going about our business for the rest of the game? Whether he's telling the truth or not, no scum team would kill him!

Vote: Destiny

[crayon]

If I hide behind any player I am untargettable, however I will die if the person I target dies.

Okay, MLT is right. This is very fishy. Marv/Arrows definitely died last night -- what gives?

I was pretty pretty much convinced that Destiny was who he says he was, with the abilities, but this makes it look very weak.

[crayon]

@MLT: I think Destiny suggested Arrows was bus-ed, so he didn't die for that reason.

Ah okay, so effectively he actually hid behind no one last night, because his target wasn't there... my head's spinning but I think I'm getting it all nwo

[mjdgoldeneye]

Ah okay, so effectively he actually hid behind no one last night, because his target wasn't there... my head's spinning but I think I'm getting it all nwo

CULT! CULT! LYNCH! LYNCH!

[crayon]

CULT! CULT! LYNCH! LYNCH!

Why hello there, may I interest you in joining the Bilderberg Group? Nothing fishy going on, just going to be having some discussions on the benefits of global government and putting swine flu in kids cereal ;)

[moon_lit_tears]

@MLT: I think Destiny suggested Arrows was bus-ed, so he didn't die for that reason.



Ok. So if anyone tried to target Destiny last night should have found him.

I really hope someone did. I would fall off my chair laughing so hard and lynch happy.:D

Ah okay, so effectively he actually hid behind no one last night, because his target wasn't there... my head's spinning but I think I'm getting it all now

Mine 2. :(

Why hello there, may I interest you in joining the Bilderberg Group? Nothing fishy going on, just going to be having some discussions on the benefits of global government and putting swine flu in kids cereal ;)

Get the Lucky Charms I hate that little leprechaun.

[Arrows]

Ok. So if anyone tried to target Destiny last night should have found him.

I really hope someone did. I would fall off my chair laughing so hard and lynch happy.:D



Mine 2. :(



Get the Lucky Charms I hate that little leprechaun.

I eat like 3 bowls of Lucky Charms a day.

GO TOWN!

/deathpost

[mjdgoldeneye]

Crayon poisoned Arrows! Burn the witch!

[crayon]

/gets mental image of Marv from Sin City eating Lucky Charms.

[petrija]

So. I pretty much have no idea at all about what the hell is going on here. I have no idea about the subject matter, either.

But from what I've gathered,

Vote: Destiny

Is a good idea.

Allow me to sort of just follow around while I try to figure crap out. Don't count on that happening though.

[Destiny]

Voting whilst uninformed is not a wise thing to do. I have answered every question posed to me. As for derek_b not crusading against any one that is town, he did exactly this on the first day of Sunnydale.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Yes.


Honestly, the character he's claiming....

I don't think it's even close to the most likely nCo character to be included. And of all the proomtions in the game, they seem like the ones that would be most cultlike.

Also, with the inclusion of DC as an alignment, who else is starting to think we may be playing a kind of warring families game.

I wouldn't put anything past it, but overall I don't think so. Where would Justice Aligned fall into all of this?

I'm not a recruiter, I'm a hider. I'm fairly certain Arrows was bus-driven as I tried to hide behind him last night, and I didn't die.

Hmmmm...

Like I said, I've been very busy. I still am, but am trying to answer questions as I get to them.

No.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

I refuse to believe that. Come on, man. You've posted half a dozen times in the other threads, the micro game training thread for example. The least you could do is tell us info about this.

Now that I think about it, Arrows is the worst choice for a hider......

.....EVER.

Ditto.

Also, at this point, I'm just going to come out and say it.

Destiny, given that you lose your ability when you reveal who you are, I'm going to assume your anonymous.

And given that you're a female, that leaves Anonymiss.

And as everyone knows...there's no such thing as Anonymiss.

Vote: Destiny

Huh. Look at that.

OK, I can see that something clearly happened to Arrows. Something about an aroma. Any ideas on that one? From the looks of it, it certainly seems as if his "plans" changed.

The only thing I'm struggling with on the whole Bus Driver thing is this: Whomever Arrows was switched with had to have had a target, or Arrows wouldn't have targeted anyone. Assuming Arrows used his ability (other wise he wouldn't have been out to begin with) then chances are we should have seen something about someone doing something they didn't expect.


I'll be honest, my first inclination was that it was some kind of redirection and not a switch.



I have another question though. I've looked over the write up several times, and maybe I've missed something, but what is up with the two hospitalizations. I assume one may be the first part of the write up, but the other?

Interesting stuff, all that. We can't rule anything out, but I'm guessing next night could give us some more answers on that end. Maybe it had to do with the whole Arrows/WC situation?

Vote: Destiny

I don't cooperate with those who don't wanna.

[Destiny]

I am fully co-operating. I've claimed a hider, why doesn't one of you just try targetting me? When you see you can't find me, you'll see I'm telling the truth. It's really not rocket science.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

derek_b - 1 (Destiny)
Destiny - 7 (Antithesis, derek_b, trypio, Glotnot, mjdgoldeneye, petrija, Tha Black Phenom)
Prophet - 3 (Jman2k3, GruntMark, eayragt)
SuperOwens - 1 (Gonvick)

[d_w_w]

/doesn't feel so great.

Might check in again later tonight, might check in again tomorrow.

[Destiny]

Vote: derek_b. I've never seen him this aggressive before. He really wants to mis-lynch me, and I'd be shocked if he's town.

[petrija]

Voting whilst uninformed is not a wise thing to do. I have answered every question posed to me. As for derek_b not crusading against any one that is town, he did exactly this on the first day of Sunnydale.

Vote: derek_b. I've never seen him this aggressive before. He really wants to mis-lynch me, and I'd be shocked if he's town.

I never said I was uninformed. I've read. I just don't understand ANYTHING related to subject matter. Not to mention you're not exactly the right person to be calling me on such.

And what are you really on about?

Derek is always balls deep aggressive, in my experience.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I have to say that if you're going to vote on Destiny, don't say "It's a good idea! I love life and flowers too!" and leave.

Attach yourself to something and be accountable. If Destiny is town, and you try to play the "Aw shucks!" card, you make it hard on the town.

Vote like you mean it (or don't vote at all) or you'll have my attention come next day phase.

[petrija]

I have to say that if you're going to vote on Destiny, don't say "It's a good idea! I love life and flowers too!" and leave.

Attach yourself to something and be accountable. If Destiny is town, and you try to play the "Aw shucks!" card, you make it hard on the town.

Vote like you mean it (or don't vote at all) or you'll have my attention come next day phase.

You'll notice, I haven't left.

I'm not new, either. I don't need to be told to "attach myself to something." I said, I've read, and from what I've read, I've placed my vote.

[Astil]

Talk about a doozy of a day...Was I replaced or should I read up?

[Tha Black Phenom]

I am fully co-operating. I've claimed a hider, why doesn't one of you just try targetting me? When you see you can't find me, you'll see I'm telling the truth. It's really not rocket science.

So then you have selective reading. However that is supposed to work.

You've been asked the same questions again and again, still no answer. And not finding you doesn't clear you completely. There are multitude of ways you couldn't be targetable.

Of course, some of those 'ways' don't seem likely at all. So we're trying to get to the bottom of this.

[Derek B]

...what happens if you hide behind scum? I've asked this at least three times FFS! If you don't know (and assuming your telling the truth Anonymiss (note: I hadn't said the name before now despite looking it up) then ask the mods. Be certain and stop dicking us around.....

Since you miss this EVERY SINGLE time I and others have asked it yet you claim to be co-operative... you're the single least co-operative person ever, I'm going to go get my waterboard, toolbox and torture rack soon if it makes this any easier. Your either the most ignorant person on the planet or your being plain dumb, either way you should be lynched for being such a waste of time and effort.

Vote: derek_b. I've never seen him this aggressive before. He really wants to mis-lynch me, and I'd be shocked if he's town.

Scum.

I never said I was uninformed. I've read. I just don't understand ANYTHING related to subject matter. Not to mention you're not exactly the right person to be calling me on such.

And what are you really on about?

Derek is always balls deep aggressive, in my experience.

I'm aggressive when I need to be, light touch at other times. It depends on what needs to be said or done to achieve an end. Apparantly getting Destiny to read is going to require a larger font.

I'm going to bed now, this complete ineptitude is getting more frustrating than it should be and the worst thing is I don't think Destiny even realises how bad he's being, which is particularly ironic when he's in other threads trying to help out what is probably the latest incarnation of JJReid/Shorty. It's just.... baffling logic. Mind boggling. Some other combination of words that isn't favourable.

[Derek B]

Talk about a doozy of a day...Was I replaced or should I read up?

You're still in, go nuts and VOTE: Destiny when you get the chance. :p

[crayon]

Voting whilst uninformed is not a wise thing to do. I have answered every question posed to me. As for derek_b not crusading against any one that is town, he did exactly this on the first day of Sunnydale.

Out of interest, did he turn up scum or town in that?

Not that I'm in any position to tell the difference between him being genuinely annoyed with your lack of input or simply because you make a good target, given your previous near-lynching.

I have to say that if you're going to vote on Destiny, don't say "It's a good idea! I love life and flowers too!" and leave.

Attach yourself to something and be accountable. If Destiny is town, and you try to play the "Aw shucks!" card, you make it hard on the town.

Vote like you mean it (or don't vote at all) or you'll have my attention come next day phase.

Given this, I'm going to come out and say I'm not comfortable enough to place a vote.. a solid case is definitely made, regarding Destiny's playstyle, but I'll need to see more people agreeing on this before I vote. And that's not to jump on a bandwagon, but purely because I need some assurance that it is sound reasoning, and not just a couple of mafioso who might be misdirecting me like a giant sucker.

That said, I'm 90% certain that Destiny's claim is true. I just can't see him--or anyone--thinking that Anonymiss would be a smart character to choose (if anything, choose Anonymous /b/tard or True Anonymous). What I am less certain of is whether or not Anonymiss would be town or cult. Seems like it could go 50/50.

[moon_lit_tears]

Out of interest, did he turn up scum or town in that?


He was town, so was I.

I really thoughtt I was going to cry during that day phase. Derek was brutal to me.

[Destiny]

I've already told you everything about my ability. I am a hider, however I can only die at night if the person I target dies or if they kill some body. From what I know, it does not make a difference if the person is town or not. I'm going to sleep now, very frustrated that the town's time is being wasted on me once more when all you needed to do was attempt to target me last night.

[trypio]

That's fine, I understand I need to answer more. If I hide behind any player I am untargettable, however I will die if the person I target dies.

I'm not a recruiter, I'm a hider. I'm fairly certain Arrows was bus-driven as I tried to hide behind him last night, and I didn't die.

Another possibility is that you got busdriven and thus switched targets with the guy that killed Arrows?

[Astil]

Derek, last time I saw you push this hard was FF. If Destiny is THAT scummy, why do you feel the need to push like that?

That said...

1. Town needs answers.

2. The situation is starting to become disruptive in finding answers as opposed to productive.

So a decision should be made quick.

For me, wasn't the problem with Destiny him being cult. I haven't seen any cult recruitments...

[petrija]

all you needed to do was attempt to target me last night.

Have you never heard of someone who is untargettable who is not a hider?

You're not dumb. Really. You're not. So it looks that much more ridiculous when you play it.

[crayon]

I've already told you everything about my ability. I am a hider, however I can only die at night if the person I target dies or if they kill some body. From what I know, it does not make a difference if the person is town or not. I'm going to sleep now, very frustrated that the town's time is being wasted on me once more when all you needed to do was attempt to target me last night.

What, I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the bolded part was never mentioned before?

[Tha Black Phenom]

Have you never heard of someone who is untargettable who is not a hider?

You're not dumb. Really. You're not. So it looks that much more ridiculous when you play it.

This.


For me, wasn't the problem with Destiny him being cult. I haven't seen any cult recruitments...

Apparently his character is cult-like. I don't know how that could manage, don't know anything about it. But it's safe to say if Destiny is so, there couldn't have been a recruitment Night 1 for obvious reasons. N2 is only rest to know...

[gonvick]

I've already told you everything about my ability. I am a hider, however I can only die at night if the person I target dies or if they kill some body. From what I know, it does not make a difference if the person is town or not. I'm going to sleep now, very frustrated that the town's time is being wasted on me once more when all you needed to do was attempt to target me last night.

So why did you ask Zeel if he was "completely town"? And what did you mean when you said you would know if he was lying or not?

[Destiny]

What, I could be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure the bolded part was never mentioned before?

Apologies, you're not mistaken. When I went back to read my role PM I noticed this part, and realised that I hadn't posted it before. However, upon thinking about it, this should really help us should I die but the person I hide behind ever not.

[Antithesis]

It has nothing to due with the other party being quiet. Maybe I am being far too assumptive but I think that both instances would show up in the write up, since both people clearly had to be out that night.

Why? Seems like the mods are only showing kills or attacks. if the other party wasn't killed or attacked, why would the other instance need to be shown?

[Wallbanger]

My opinion: I'm starting to feel like derek's overplaying this. His instincts are solid, and while Destiny has certainly been playing coy he has not been a complete stonewall.

Could he be scum? Sure, it's possible. But I'm not persuaded by derek's case at this point.

[Destiny]

So why did you ask Zeel if he was "completely town"? And what did you mean when you said you would know if he was lying or not?

I wanted Zeel1 to be as honest as possible in his answers, and I obviously didn't want to hide behind somebody that may kill at night, hence me asking him if he was out to cause harm.

[petrija]

I wanted Zeel1 to be as honest as possible in his answers, and I obviously didn't want to hide behind somebody that may kill at night, hence me asking him if he was out to cause harm.

Didn't you say you just noticed that that was in your PM? If that's the case you wouldn't have realized it when you asked Zeel.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting.

[petrija]

My opinion: I'm starting to feel like derek's overplaying this. His instincts are solid, and while Destiny has certainly been playing coy he has not been a complete stonewall.

Could he be scum? Sure, it's possible. But I'm not persuaded by derek's case at this point.

I haven't read in depth enough to have an opinion on this, but it's interesting that multiple people have addressed it now. Especially because it's more than just the accused, now.

[Antithesis]

Voting whilst uninformed is not a wise thing to do. I have answered every question posed to me. As for derek_b not crusading against any one that is town, he did exactly this on the first day of Sunnydale.

That game turned out pretty good for the town as I recall. :D

[i effin rule]

Apologies, you're not mistaken. When I went back to read my role PM I noticed this part, and realised that I hadn't posted it before. However, upon thinking about it, this should really help us should I die but the person I hide behind ever not.

I wanted Zeel1 to be as honest as possible in his answers, and I obviously didn't want to hide behind somebody that may kill at night, hence me asking him if he was out to cause harm.

Umm....what? If you just realized something, how were you asking about it phases ago?

[crayon]

Didn't you say you just noticed that that was in your PM? If that's the case you wouldn't have realized it when you asked Zeel.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting.

QFT

This is all starting to look very suspicious.

Vote: Destiny

Until I'm convinced otherwise at least

[petrija]

Umm....what? If you just realized something, how were you asking about it phases ago?

Beat you to it. :p

[Antithesis]

You'll notice, I haven't left.

I'm not new, either. I don't need to be told to "attach myself to something." I said, I've read, and from what I've read, I've placed my vote.

If things with Arrows don't work out, you can always attach yourself to me sweet cheeks.

:cues the Barry White music:

[petrija]

If things with Arrows don't work out, you can always attach yourself to me sweet cheeks.

:cues the Barry White music:

I prefer honey buns. ;)

[Astil]

You know ... Zeel wasn't completely town... helluva coincidence.

Also a theft was shown N1, so I imagine recruitment > theft.

[Wallbanger]

Didn't you say you just noticed that that was in your PM? If that's the case you wouldn't have realized it when you asked Zeel.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting.

If he just latched on to the 'hider' part and presumed the stock role, he'd have to be cautious. Upon closer read it seems he has a 'hider-plus' kind of role. I don't think that would materially impact how he would select a target; in fact, doesn't he have a less risky pool to choose from?

[i effin rule]

Why? Seems like the mods are only showing kills or attacks. if the other party wasn't killed or attacked, why would the other instance need to be shown?

Like I said, I could be assumptive. To me, it seems like a situation that would be shown.

Though, I seem to recall a write up of something that wasn't a kill or attack in N1.

[Antithesis]

I wanted Zeel1 to be as honest as possible in his answers, and I obviously didn't want to hide behind somebody that may kill at night, hence me asking him if he was out to cause harm.

Why did you decide to question Zeel in the first place?

Was it the Catwoman hint?

I don't think you're the type of player to just question someone randomly.

[Astil]

If he just latched on to the 'hider' part and presumed the stock role, he'd have to be cautious. Upon closer read it seems he has a 'hider-plus' kind of role. I don't think that would materially impact how he would select a target; in fact, doesn't he have a less risky pool to choose from?
This.

Also, Banger way to stay level headed and non biased. Its really helpin the town. *claps*

[i effin rule]

I think the problem is that Destiny said he was asking questions to ensure Zeel wouldn't be killing even though he said that he just noticed that part of his write up.


How could he be ensuring something he didn't realize?

[Antithesis]

My opinion: I'm starting to feel like derek's overplaying this. His instincts are solid, and while Destiny has certainly been playing coy he has not been a complete stonewall.

Could he be scum? Sure, it's possible. But I'm not persuaded by derek's case at this point.

Now that Destiny is finally cooperating I due think some of Derek's remarks seem vitriolic.

My main problem with all this is how Destiny has played the role he claimed. I was Hider in Eville and I thought I did well with the role. Petrija in Simpsons, Astil in SIN, all of us, in our own ways, worked the role to the benefit of the town by being open and active.

Destiny's stalling and secretiveness just strikes me as counter intuitive. He could have been a town leader, but instead its just become a big mess.

[petrija]

Petrija in Simpsons, Astil in SIN, all of us, in our own ways, worked the role to the benefit of the town by being open and active.


I was a hider in Simpsons?

My memory seriously fails. Seriously.

[Antithesis]

I think the problem is that Destiny said he was asking questions to ensure Zeel wouldn't be killing even though he said that he just noticed that part of his write up.


How could he be ensuring something he didn't realize?

yeahhhh I vaguely remember now.

He asked Zeel if what he did at night was harmful or messed with other people or something.

I just always assumed he was hinting at Zeel being a thief (obvious role for catwoman :role is obvious: )

[Antithesis]

I was a hider in Simpsons?

My memory seriously fails. Seriously.

Yep remember, like early in the game before a write up you said who you targetted in case anything happened to you, and when you wound up dead we lynched scum (can't remember who it was) that you hid behind.

[Antithesis]

Now that Destiny is finally cooperating I due think some of Derek's remarks seem vitriolic.

My main problem with all this is how Destiny has played the role he claimed. I was Hider in Eville and I thought I did well with the role. Petrija in Simpsons, Astil in SIN, all of us, in our own ways, worked the role to the benefit of the town by being open and active.

Destiny's stalling and secretiveness just strikes me as counter intuitive. He could have been a town leader, but instead its just become a big mess.

And with that

Change Vote: No vote

He probably is a Hider, just he made some bad choices.

If he is a Hider, easiest way for scum to get rid of him would be to mislynch him.

For all his faults, WC was honest about his alignment at least. I'm already over my quota for lynching folks for playing poorly this game. That is until I can see a little more evidence that Destiny has lied.

[trypio]

And with that

Change Vote: No vote

He probably is a Hider, just he made some bad choices.

If he is a Hider, easiest way for scum to get rid of him would be to mislynch him.

For all his faults, WC was honest about his alignment at least. I'm already over my quota for lynching folks for playing poorly this game. That is until I can see a little more evidence that Destiny has lied.

True. If I were scum and I knew someone's unkillable during the night I'd try to advocate for a lynch as well. So, unless someone comes up with more proof (targeted and succeeded at whatever he targeted him for during the night) I'm gonna get my vote off of him.

Change vote: no vote

[gonvick]

Why did you decide to question Zeel in the first place?

Was it the Catwoman hint?

I don't think you're the type of player to just question someone randomly.

I'm curious about this. Given what he's claimed, his questions seem entirely pointless. Choosing Zeel because of the hint makes sense enough. But Catwoman as a killer, not so much. And now we know that the alignment doesn't matter, so why bother questioning him at all?

Not saying this makes him scum. I just don't understand what he was trying to accomplish. I have trouble buying the cult theory for similar reasons. If you're going to recruit Zeel to, presumably, pick up a thief, why make a spectacle questioning that person in such a manner?

Either way it just seems like a bad play. Which I could accept as an explanation much easier if he had handled the follow up in somewhat of a town-like manner.

[gonvick]

True. If I were scum and I knew someone's unkillable during the night I'd try to advocate for a lynch as well. So, unless someone comes up with more proof (targeted and succeeded at whatever he targeted him for during the night) I'm gonna get my vote off of him.

Change vote: no vote

If someone else pointed that strategy out would you immediately remove your vote to make it appear that you weren't doing such a thing?

If there was something specific about Destiny's claim that makes you now find it believable when you didn't before, feel free to share. I'd be interested to hear.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 6 (derek_b, Glotnot, mjdgoldeneye, petrija, Tha Black Phenom, crayon)
Prophet - 3 (Jman2k3, GruntMark, eayragt)
SuperOwens - 1 (Gonvick)

[crayon]

At this stage I just want to know why he said that he was questioning Zeel due to dying when someone makes a kill, yet he only learnt about that part of it after the fact.

[Wallbanger]

OT: Psst, d_dub--advance the BB league!

[TakerNGN74]

Just had the chance to read up on everything and from what I can gather this is the best way to go.

Vote: Destiny

[Astil]

Just had the chance to read up on everything and from what I can gather this is the best way to go.

Vote: Destiny

Why?

[d_w_w]

OT: Psst, d_dub--advance the BB league!

On it.

Turning that computer on as we speak.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 7 (derek_b, Glotnot, mjdgoldeneye, petrija, Tha Black Phenom, crayon, TakerNGN74)
Prophet - 3 (Jman2k3, GruntMark, eayragt)
SuperOwens - 1 (Gonvick)

Front-page stuff should be up-to-date.

[TakerNGN74]

Why?

Because that seems like the best choice at this moment in time.

TakerNGn74

[Arrows]

Because that seems like the best choice at this moment in time.

TakerNGn74

I know, I'm a picky prick. Could you, not, end posts with your name? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, and I don't even know why it irks me, it just... does. It's like...yea...we know..it's you. It's like...an inch/inch and a half up to see who the poster is.

I dunno. Just a simple request.

[Wallbanger]

Or have a tagline like

Reeeest Iiiinnn Peeeacccce, Taker

(I'd have suggested "Quoth the Raven, Nevermore" but that's taken) :p

[GruntMark]

I dunno. Just a simple request.

Theres this dude on another forum I frequent who always signs his name like that. IT DRIVES ME UP THE WALL!

Anyway....I see we wasted more time on Destiny.

I seem to remember saying something about not wasting time on Destiny.

Well played scum. Well played.

[Wallbanger]

On a slightly more serious note, Taker, I think folks are looking for a slightly more ... concrete rationale for your vote. Even something like "derek says he's scum and he is teh H4WT SC00M H00NT3RZ!!!1!1!!!eleventy!!" at least gives us an indication that you're evaluating what's being said in thread and not just going along for the ride.

[Wallbanger]

And I can't edit the fact that I was so unoriginal as to use 'slightly' twice in 15 words. I fail. :(

[TakerNGN74]

Alright Arrows just for you I wont end my posts with my name any longer or at least in this thread.

[Wallbanger]

Alright Arrows just for you I wont end my posts with my name any longer or at least in this thread.

Reeeest Iiiinnn Peeeacccce

Fixed :p

[TakerNGN74]

What the hell thats not cool

[Wallbanger]

What the hell thats not cool

I apologize - I was trying to add a little levity to the situation, and it clearly didn't come across as I'd intended. I won't do that again.

[Jman2k3]

Can always vote on Prophet another time and don't want to split the vote.

Change Vote: Destiny

[gonvick]

Because that seems like the best choice at this moment in time.

TakerNGn74

Could you elaborate a little about why this seems like the best choice at the moment? A little insight into your thought process would be helpful.

[Jman2k3]

Could you elaborate a little about why this seems like the best choice at the moment? A little insight into your thought process would be helpful.

He's just hoping on the bandwagon.

[Glotnot]

Even if we assume that Destiny is, in fact, Anonymiss, which I really doubt, mostly because True Anonymous 1, True Anonymous 2, Anonymous Newfag, and Anonymous Oldfag could all have the same ability, and are all more highly rated within the nCw promotion.

Then there's also the fact that even if he IS Anonymiss, in my opinion at least, nCw lends itself to a mafia or cultlike group more than any other promotion in the mod.

Just as a very simple example: Boxxy Babee (Boxxy) was heralded as the Queen of nChan (4Chan) by about half its population.


Come on now. The concept of Anonymous itself as cult isn't just likely, it's thrust-in-your-face-holy-**** likely. That's what Anonymous is.

But then you add a Queen ("Queen") to that?

I dunno. I'm skeptical of the Justice-ness of any nCw members.


Plus, Destiny's insistence that the only way he could be untargetable is if he was a Hider. Just doesn't sit right.

[Antithesis]

Theres this dude on another forum I frequent who always signs his name like that. IT DRIVES ME UP THE WALL!

Anyway....I see we wasted more time on Destiny.

I seem to remember saying something about not wasting time on Destiny.

Well played scum. Well played.

Destiny leaves you show up, you leave he shows up.

You guys work on shifts?

[GruntMark]

Destiny leaves you show up, you leave he shows up.

You guys work on shifts?

I assume you are familiar with time zones.

Destiny lives IN THE FUTURE.

[BHK1978]

I assume you are familiar with time zones.

Destiny lives IN THE FUTURE.

Don't give Destiny any ideas. Now he is going to claim to be a hider, who can only hide in the future, behind his future self.:D

[eayragt]

Grrr, this is another frustrating phase.

Do we want to have lynched someone who's almost unlynchable and someone who's almost un-night-killable (it's a word) by the end of Day 3? No.

However, do we want to lynch someone who's been obstinate and unhelpful, despite having a role that encourages him to let town know every detail about what he's doing (except his role title)? Yes.

Especially when he comes up with claims like "try and target me tonight and it'll prove I'm a hider", even though that will prove nothing. Then when he asked some questions on Day 1 about something he discovered on Day 3. Then when he ignored derek's reasonable questions for best part of a day. We've so far wasted about 2 day sessions on Destiny.

I'm almost convinced myself that he's scum, depsite no counterclaim of hider in a game where there may well be one - and there's little risk in counterclaiming. Of course, if there is no hider then maybe there is an untargettable Cult Leader. Still, it's a risky early claim.

Destiny - your first post today you hinted that you knew Arrows was bus-driven. Obviously you could have been more helpful and said that you knew he was busdriven otherwise you'd ben dead as you'd targetted him. However, maybe you were looking for people responses to your suggestions he was bus driven, as you knew the truth. So, if you were doing this, what did you learn from looking at people's reaction to your suggestion?

We do still have the best part of a day left. There's been a very small bit of pressure on Prophet, with good reason, and he's so far failed to respond. I suggest that we increase that pressure, and actually make it so we've looked into at least 3 people in 3 day phases, instead of our current appalling record of 2 people in 3 day phases.

[gonvick]

We do still have the best part of a day left. There's been a very small bit of pressure on Prophet, with good reason, and he's so far failed to respond. I suggest that we increase that pressure, and actually make it so we've looked into at least 3 people in 3 day phases, instead of our current appalling record of 2 people in 3 day phases.

I'm still waiting for SuperOwens to come back on and answer a few questions. Hopefully I'll wake up and find some answers.

[eayragt]

I'm still waiting for SuperOwens to come back on and answer a few questions. Hopefully I'll wake up and find some answers.

Actually to be fair we have found out a little more than I said, no small part to you, and these little pieces of information should add up eventually.

[SuperOwens]

Thanks. I'll move on for now.

Change Vote: SuperOwens

Anything interesting happen to you on Night 1? Did you go out? If so, did you reach your intended target successfully?

Nope. Stayed at home.

Some ones character is apparently changing

Random thought and probably completely wrong. But that no hands thing that was mentioned, reminded me a little of the sand man in the Spider-man film.

[moon_lit_tears]

Random thought and probably completely wrong. But that no hands thing that was mentioned, reminded me a little of the sand man in the Spider-man film.

Yeah most likely wrong.


Again day 3 we are wasting it on DESTINY AGAIN!

VOTE Destiny


Honestly if he IS town he has caused so much distraction for us that we have literally wasted 3 phases so far.

[BlueStar]

Mod Note: To the degree that I can find replacements, I'm working under a "you must be active" to play in this game approach.

This doesn't mean that everyone has to post a bazillion times in the thread, but you should at least send a PM every now and then to let me know you are still reading and/or that you don't want to use your ability.

Night PMs are coming.

Sorry, work and stuff irl has caught up with me, especially for a big game!
Enjoy the game guys!

[Destiny]

I'm sorry you've wasted so much time in me, pleas bare in mind that some body thought it would be smart to lock me up for over a phase.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm sorry you've wasted so much time in me, pleas bare in mind that some body thought it would be smart to lock me up for over a phase.

You also decided that going MIA for a phase was a good idea. Not to mention not answering those questions quickly.

[eayragt]

I'm sorry you've wasted so much time in me, pleas bare in mind that some body thought it would be smart to lock me up for over a phase.

No you were not. You were locked up for one night phase.

You didn't answer questions Day 1.
You only answered occasional questions on Day 2.
You started coming up with inconsistences on Day 3.

And yet I still want us to look elsewhere.

[Destiny]

It seems you have your head screwed on properly. I can't be online all the time, and would rather we looked into others. If I'm constantly defending myself, it's a distraction when we should be looking elsewhere. The only people that benefit from this mislynch is the scum, as this is pretty much the only way they can kill me.

[SuperOwens]

It seems you have your head screwed on properly. I can't be online all the time, and would rather we looked into others. If I'm constantly defending myself, it's a distraction when we should be looking elsewhere. The only people that benefit from this mislynch is the scum, as this is pretty much the only way they can kill me.

How can you not understand this!? You were on-line. You posted in other threads. On the mafia forum.

Stop trying to push this, I've been busy crap. Its really irritating, and makes you look foolish. Do you not think we can read the other threads and see the time stamps?

You have wasted the towns time. All this info could have come out ages ago. You will notice I don't have a vote on you, but please realise you have played poorly.

[Destiny]

Aye, I'll concede that through a combination of frustration at how the first couple of days of the game went, me being locked up and my target for hiding dying last night, as well as all the work I have on at the moment (which will be finished this time tomorrow) I've played poorly. That being said, my role is a useful one, and can hopefully help the town from this point forward. I will also try my best to be online at twilight stages of the game so that I can let you all know who I hid behind.

[Derek B]

A new day, attempting a new level headed approach... *deep breath*

I've already told you everything about my ability. I am a hider, however I can only die at night if the person I target dies or if they kill some body. From what I know, it does not make a difference if the person is town or not. I'm going to sleep now, very frustrated that the town's time is being wasted on me once more when all you needed to do was attempt to target me last night.

The bolded is info you were asked for on D2 that you only shared today. The large bolded is new info in this post. The larger bolded is info I asked for repeatedly and new in this post... and yet you STILL haven't/hadn't checked this with the mods, which is important that you do. Your frustration is nothing compared to the frustration I'm feeling at how badly you have played and how you have failed to see questions despite being around... and I can tell you are around because you aren't set to be invisible... and you post all over the place rather than read in here. That is a behaviour that equals bad play, which is also behaviour I consider to be scummy.

Derek, last time I saw you push this hard was FF. If Destiny is THAT scummy, why do you feel the need to push like that?

That said...

1. Town needs answers.

2. The situation is starting to become disruptive in finding answers as opposed to productive.

So a decision should be made quick.

For me, wasn't the problem with Destiny him being cult. I haven't seen any cult recruitments...

I'm pretty sure I was town at that point... I mighta been scum later. There are times I push hard, alignment is hard to tell since it largely is based on how annoying other people are through bad play... or I'm talking them to the gallows like I did with PraguePride, who was scum and claimed my role that I really didn't want to claim and had to defeat without claiming. Sorta worked... :(

Apologies, you're not mistaken. When I went back to read my role PM I noticed this part, and realised that I hadn't posted it before. However, upon thinking about it, this should really help us should I die but the person I hide behind ever not.

I wanted Zeel1 to be as honest as possible in his answers, and I obviously didn't want to hide behind somebody that may kill at night, hence me asking him if he was out to cause harm.

And consistency goes for a walk....

Didn't you say you just noticed that that was in your PM? If that's the case you wouldn't have realized it when you asked Zeel.

Or maybe I'm misinterpreting.

You know ... Zeel wasn't completely town... helluva coincidence.

Also a theft was shown N1, so I imagine recruitment > theft.

I pointed out earlier that I noticed the Catwoman section hinted towards a recruitment, whether it was recruiting Zeel or Zeel recruiting someone else. I lean towards Zeel being recruited, which brings me back to the argument I made on D1 against Destiny. I would believe DC recruiter over Anonymiss any day. Hell, if he claimed that I'd probably just leave him be as that would make more sense than everything that has been said up to now.

I'm sorry you've wasted so much time in me, pleas bare in mind that some body thought it would be smart to lock me up for over a phase.

No you were not. You were locked up for one [B]night phase.

You didn't answer questions Day 1.
You only answered occasional questions on Day 2.
You started coming up with inconsistences on Day 3.

And yet I still want us to look elsewhere.

That. Destiny, you were locked up for 24 hours after which you said you weren't online anyways so it didn't really matter. So now it didn't matter AND it did matter? Really? Rly? Ryleh?

How can you not understand this!? You were on-line. You posted in other threads. On the mafia forum.

Stop trying to push this, I've been busy crap. Its really irritating, and makes you look foolish. Do you not think we can read the other threads and see the time stamps?

You have wasted the towns time. All this info could have come out ages ago. You will notice I don't have a vote on you, but please realise you have played poorly.

And at least it isn't just me.

I've got nothing against lynching Destiny on the principle of his play in this game... and I know it's going to keep distracting me if he's still alive. But at the same time, I know I'm getting tunnel visioned by this but it's because things don't add up. There is a logical character claim but the actual info around it is contradictory and the character is an unlikely nobody. To me it feels like Destiny is hiding something, which by now is making me believe he is scum trying desperately to hang on by saying as little as possible, which is why he's answered questions so badly.

Apologies for the large font, I want Destiny to read this and stop being a distraction...

Destiny: As a better-than-normal hider you should be revealing your targets as soon after the end of night phase is called as possible, in order to help clear people from being killers. Doing so in the dawn phase between end of night and nigiht write up means we might even be able to catch killers in the process of killing. This gamethread should be your first port of call, before any other mafia thread as this is where your presence is being questioned. Failure to co-operate will result in your death in this game.

That is how hiders should play their role. Don't hold information back. Your duty for the rest of this phase is to asks the mods the following question and report back to this thread with a paraphrased answer so that you don't get modkilled for quoting a PM.

"Dear mods... Derek has advised be to be as certain as possible about this information so as to be awesome. If I hide behind scum, will I die?

Be certain. Leave no doubts, no wiggle room, no was for you to possibly be wrong or for anyone else to say you are being inconsistent. Don't punch holes in your own story. If you are telling the truth then there is nothing to fear as you will be hiding safely behind someone tonight anyways and there will be no risk of lynching you. If you are lying, you will die. Failure to co-operate will also see you die. People will not accept another day phase on you... I'm not even sure they'll accept the rest of this day phase if you don't do something about this post.

And now, I return you all to something resembling fun, which is what I should be having... along with lunch probably as I'm hungry.

[Derek B]

That post took a while to write... Destiny's last post wasn't there when I started. But for the love of boobs, please follow the instructions there. They're helpful for all parties involved, not just for this game but in a long term mafia game playing sense as I know you aren't exactly the best at being a scum player and it'll help you out. :)

[Destiny]

Ah, thanks for your newly adopted level-headed approach. I will only die if I target scum if that player is making a kill.

[moon_lit_tears]

That post took a while to write... Destiny's last post wasn't there when I started. But for the love of boobs, please follow the instructions there. They're helpful for all parties involved, not just for this game but in a long term mafia game playing sense as I know you aren't exactly the best at being a scum player and it'll help you out. :)

Who doesn't love'em? :p

I agree here. although we have wasted SOOOOO much time on this issue it has been beaten to death!

[Derek B]

Who doesn't love'em? :p

I agree here. although we have wasted SOOOOO much time on this issue it has been beaten to death!

Indeed. I'm not a religious person so I had to find something worthy of replacing god in that statement, didn't take much thought for somre mysterious reason. :)

Ah, thanks for your newly adopted level-headed approach. I will only die if I target scum if that player is making a kill.

I still believe you should be lynched. But if you aren't, you need to follow through on that plan. Any deviation will see you lynched. And when I say to tell us who you hid behind as soon as possible, I literally mean you log into GDS, make sure you aren't already dead and then post who you hid behind stating that you haven't read up yet and everything.

Out of interest, what do other people make of what looks like a DC alignment recruiting? I know there was a little discussion about the alignment earlier but a recruiting town group? Why DC instead of anyone else? Or is there more? I'm taking Zeel at his word that he was straight ahead blue to start with... which begs the question of why it took til N2 to recruit him since he was out there on D1.

Hmm....

[SuperOwens]

Out of interest, what do other people make of what looks like a DC alignment recruiting? I know there was a little discussion about the alignment earlier but a recruiting town group? Why DC instead of anyone else? Or is there more? I'm taking Zeel at his word that he was straight ahead blue to start with... which begs the question of why it took til N2 to recruit him since he was out there on D1.

Hmm....

Its a hard one, as we could be going in completely the wrong direction. Zeel may have just not wanted to reveal his DC alignment, he may have been a mason from the get go. Or thought it would cloud day 1 discussion.

I had to go back and look at the write-up, didn't pick it up first time around, but there was definitely a meeting taking place. Its worded as a reunion, which makes you think recruitment straight away.

So recruiting masons who can only recruit DC characters? Its a definite possibility.

[Destiny]

Sounds likely. I was sure that Zeel1 was Catwoman, but was immediately unsure of what alignment he may have been to begin with.

[Derek B]

Its a hard one, as we could be going in completely the wrong direction. Zeel may have just not wanted to reveal his DC alignment, he may have been a mason from the get go. Or thought it would cloud day 1 discussion.

I had to go back and look at the write-up, didn't pick it up first time around, but there was definitely a meeting taking place. Its worded as a reunion, which makes you think recruitment straight away.

So recruiting masons who can only recruit DC characters? Its a definite possibility.

DC aligned certainly points to a limited group... and thinking about it logically, I'm not sure they'd be the only ones. Someone mentioned a warring families type mechanic earlier, I worry that this might be the case. And it explains something from earlier in the game too...

This makes me sad if I'm right, I can't see it being good for the town in the long run.

I'm heading to work now, no doubt I'll be bored enough to ponder this more while I'm there and come to more frustratingly negative conclusions. I'm hoping I'm wrong... and that something good comes from this day in the near future.

[Destiny]

Well, at least we're getting somewhere. Pondering other avenues can only be good for the town. If the DC group are masons, it may be wise to appoint a spokesperson in future phases if this continues to become a point of discussion.

[moon_lit_tears]

Well, at least we're getting somewhere. Pondering other avenues can only be good for the town. If the DC group are masons, it may be wise to appoint a spokesperson in future phases if this continues to become a point of discussion.

You mean so we don't waste 3 days going over that? Because you know that would be frustrating for everyone....

[gonvick]

Nope. Stayed at home.

Just so I'm clear, was that staying home a one time thing so far, or do you always stay home?

[trypio]

Sounds likely. I was sure that Zeel1 was Catwoman, but was immediately unsure of what alignment he may have been to begin with.

And how did you know he was Catwoman?

[SuperOwens]

Just so I'm clear, was that staying home a one time thing so far, or do you always stay home?

I'll be home more than I'll be out.

And how did you know he was Catwoman?

See where your going, but Zeel did a "purrr" hint early on.

[Astil]

Can always vote on Prophet another time and don't want to split the vote.

Change Vote: Destiny

He's just hoping on the bandwagon.

Hmmm...

[Destiny]

Hmmm...

I thought the same thing, but I didn't want it to look like I was diverting attention away from myself.

[gonvick]

I'll be home more than I'll be out.

So you were not out on Night 1 but were out on Night 2, when we had some additional noteworthy activity? If that's correct, were you in the write up?

Also, any character or role info you want to share to ease our minds that you're not responsible for the extra kill or anything, now might be a good time.

[SuperOwens]

So you were not out on Night 1 but were out on Night 2, when we had some additional noteworthy activity? If that's correct, were you in the write up?

Also, any character or role info you want to share to ease our minds that you're not responsible for the extra kill or anything, now might be a good time.

Night 2, I was out.

And no, not really. I don't see why any minds need easing. I think I have given you enough info, perhaps you would like to share something about yourself?

[SuperOwens]

Wasn't in the write up, sorry forget about that question.

[gonvick]

Night 2, I was out.

And no, not really. I don't see why any minds need easing. I think I have given you enough info, perhaps you would like to share something about yourself?

Minds might need easing because Night 2 included a shooter who killed someone, and a monster who nearly killed someone. So someone who didn't go out on Night 1 but was out on Night 2 becomes a likely suspect.

So I think more info is required here. Something to make me think you're not out attacking people would be nice.

[Antithesis]

Hmmm...

This has been pretty productive, in that, should Destiny die somehow (whether lynch or night kill) and his alignment is finally settled there are two or three people to look at either way (if Destiny is town or scum).

[Astil]

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and Vote: jman2k3

[gonvick]

And how did you know he was Catwoman?

So, you're not planning to address my question about your vote shift then?

[trypio]

So, you're not planning to address my question about your vote shift then?

Must've missed it, I'll go find it.

[SuperOwens]

Minds might need easing because Night 2 included a shooter who killed someone, and a monster who nearly killed someone. So someone who didn't go out on Night 1 but was out on Night 2 becomes a likely suspect.

So I think more info is required here. Something to make me think you're not out attacking people would be nice.

Don't get me wrong, I get what your trying to do. But at this moment it seems like its only your mind. And to be fair, it seems like your picking people out at random and asking them questions.

People know, I'm a great believer of keeping my cards close to my chest, Zeel hinted, he's dead. Arrows role was out there, he is dead. If what Derek has hypothesised is true, and there are 2 scum groups, they will try to avoid each other like the plague, hinting is bad for the town.

I dont kid myself that I'm one of those players that will get protected, and my role really isn't important enough to warrant it anyway. But I think I can be useful, and I'd rather not be dead.

I also have no reason to trust you, and I know how good a player you are.

[trypio]

If someone else pointed that strategy out would you immediately remove your vote to make it appear that you weren't doing such a thing?

If there was something specific about Destiny's claim that makes you now find it believable when you didn't before, feel free to share. I'd be interested to hear.
No, not if I truly believed he's a threat to the town, but I'm quite undecided at the moment.

Because:
A) We don't have much room for a mislynch as we haven't offed a bad guy yet (if you assume that Catwoman was part of a pro-town mason group).

B) We could easily test Destiny's claim. Can't be that hard to find a townie with a night ability that wants to test if he's lying or not, right?

[gonvick]

Don't get me wrong, I get what your trying to do. But at this moment it seems like its only your mind. And to be fair, it seems like your picking people out at random and asking them questions.

There's been nothing random about what I've been doing. At this point I'm fairly convinced that you're lying about being in the write up. It's still technically possible that it wasn't you and that someone else is lying, but so far you fit better.

So I'm going to need you to give me something good, or I'm going to have to insist that you be lynched.

[SuperOwens]

There's been nothing random about what I've been doing. At this point I'm fairly convinced that you're lying about being in the write up. It's still technically possible that it wasn't you and that someone else is lying, but so far you fit better.

So I'm going to need you to give me something good, or I'm going to have to insist that you be lynched.

There is no way I can be in that write-up. I'm not a monster and I haven't killed anybody. So your either mistaken about something, or trying to push for something that's not there.

[gonvick]

There is no way I can be in that write-up. I'm not a monster and I haven't killed anybody. So your either mistaken about something, or trying to push for something that's not there.

You said your ability isn't important, so would mind telling me what you were doing last night if you weren't killing or attacking anyone?

[gonvick]

There is no way I can be in that write-up. I'm not a monster and I haven't killed anybody. So your either mistaken about something, or trying to push for something that's not there.

I should also say, that if you can clear this up right away, then I know where to go next. So if you are town, I hope you will be forthcoming with some info sooner rather than later.

[SuperOwens]

You said your ability isn't important, so would mind telling me what you were doing last night if you weren't killing or attacking anyone?

:D

Seem to be going round in circles here don't we, your essentially asking the same question in the same way. Mind telling me what you were up to last night?

I don't think you have anything on me at all, and while I understand the tactic, I'm going to be disappointed when you eventually say, Oh your okay then. And then move on to your next person.

Last night, I was investigating.

[Antithesis]

:D

Seem to be going round in circles here don't we, your essentially asking the same question in the same way. Mind telling me what you were up to last night?

I don't think you have anything on me at all, and while I understand the tactic, I'm going to be disappointed when you eventually say, Oh your okay then. And then move on to your next person.

Last night, I was investigating.

Uh, you might as well spill the beans then. Cuz what you just said probably made you target number 1 for scum.

[Antithesis]

Minds might need easing because Night 2 included a shooter who killed someone, and a monster who nearly killed someone. So someone who didn't go out on Night 1 but was out on Night 2 becomes a likely suspect.

So I think more info is required here. Something to make me think you're not out attacking people would be nice.

Also should point out MJ has admitted that he didn't go out N1. Of course we have no idea if the kill was mandatory or maybe if both killers targeted Cbot N1.

Those are still possibilities.

[SuperOwens]

Uh, you might as well spill the beans then. Cuz what you just said probably made you target number 1 for scum.

You think?

Not sure what else you want. Really not hard to work out on the info you have.

[gonvick]

:D

Seem to be going round in circles here don't we, your essentially asking the same question in the same way. Mind telling me what you were up to last night?

I don't think you have anything on me at all, and while I understand the tactic, I'm going to be disappointed when you eventually say, Oh your okay then. And then move on to your next person.

Last night, I was investigating.

You really can't figure out why I'm asking what I am? Or why I might think you're lying?

But as long as you have claimed that ability, could we get a role title? I don't think that's likely to make things any worse if you are being truthful.

[SuperOwens]

You really can't figure out why I'm asking what I am? Or why I might think you're lying?

But as long as you have claimed that ability, could we get a role title? I don't think that's likely to make things any worse if you are being truthful.

No, I think your full of it to be honest. And like I said, I'm disappointed that you have decided to go down this route.

[gonvick]

No, I think your full of it to be honest. And like I said, I'm disappointed that you have decided to go down this route.

So your target last night wasn't noteworthy at all? Nothing stands out about it that might lead someone to question your motives?

[gonvick]

Also should point out MJ has admitted that he didn't go out N1. Of course we have no idea if the kill was mandatory or maybe if both killers targeted Cbot N1.

Those are still possibilities.

It's not so much about what didn't happen on Night 1 as it's about what did happen last night.

[trypio]

It's not so much about what didn't happen on Night 1 as it's about what did happen last night.

So, you're some kind of watcher and saw SuperOwens target one of the following four people I take it: Arrows, Zeel1, Nedew, Jaded?

[SuperOwens]

So your target last night wasn't noteworthy at all? Nothing stands out about it that might lead someone to question your motives?

Tell me who my target was then mate? Because to me, it looks like you have accused me of either being a gunman or a monster. Not sure how there could be any leeway between them.

So I'm guessing you think I targeted either Arrows, Jaded or Nedew? Since Zeel wasn't taken out by a gunman. So which one was it?

It shouldn't be that hard to work out what role I have, You know its limited. And I'm not sure about you at all. If you have supposed info on me, why wait so long? Why vote on IER first?

[crayon]

Just caught up with everything.

Since Destiny has become so forthcoming with the answers, I'll re-ask why is it that he said that he only recently discovered that he'll die only if someone scum he hides behind kills, yet he later said that he was asking Zeel/Catwoman Qs on day one because of that very ability which he didn't find out after the fact?

If we're misinterpretting this, then by all means explain it away, but for now that still leaves me suspicious about the whole thing. And even believing his claim, I'm still not really sure why that specific mechanic would be a part of his character.

That said, surely SuperOwens has just made things a whole lot more interesting. If you do have the role you say you do, why not claim? Also seems like there's no point holding back on any information you may have found out.

Then again, let me ask you this: why would you offer up that role ability so soon?

[SuperOwens]

Just caught up with everything.

Since Destiny has become so forthcoming with the answers, I'll re-ask why is it that he said that he only recently discovered that he'll die only if someone scum he hides behind kills, yet he later said that he was asking Zeel/Catwoman Qs on day one because of that very ability which he didn't find out after the fact?

If we're misinterpretting this, then by all means explain it away, but for now that still leaves me suspicious about the whole thing. And even believing his claim, I'm still not really sure why that specific mechanic would be a part of his character.

That said, surely SuperOwens has just made things a whole lot more interesting. If you do have the role you say you do, why not claim? Also seems like there's no point holding back on any information you may have found out.

Then again, let me ask you this: why would you offer up that role ability so soon?

I don't have the role you think I have.

[d_w_w]

Sorry, work and stuff irl has caught up with me, especially for a big game!
Enjoy the game guys!

For the record: BlueStar is an awesome guy and is not one of the people that I was/am frustrated with.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 9 (derek_b, Glotnot, mjdgoldeneye, petrija, Tha Black Phenom, crayon, TakerNGN74, Jman2k3, moon_lit_tears)
Jman23k - 1 (Astil)
Prophet - 2 (GruntMark, eayragt)
SuperOwens - 1 (Gonvick)

[gonvick]

So, you're some kind of watcher and saw SuperOwens target one of the following four people I take it: Arrows, Zeel1, Nedew, Jaded?

I have some info that informs my questioning.

But while you're here...

No, not if I truly believed he's a threat to the town, but I'm quite undecided at the moment.

Because:
A) We don't have much room for a mislynch as we haven't offed a bad guy yet (if you assume that Catwoman was part of a pro-town mason group).

B) We could easily test Destiny's claim. Can't be that hard to find a townie with a night ability that wants to test if he's lying or not, right?

When you pledged to vote for Destiny today, you said that you thought he was lying about his role, or at least parts of it. I'm not sure how either of these reasons explain a change in vote.

If you think he's lying, then surely lynching carries a good chance of killing scum. And suggesting that we not lynch someone who's lying because he haven't killed other scum doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

And testing his claim, as well as can be done anyway, was as much of an option earlier when you said you didn't believe him and when you voted for him early in the phase. I'm not clear as to why that's a better option now than it was then.

If you no longer think he's lying, could you explain a bit about how that change came about?

Tell me who my target was then mate? Because to me, it looks like you have accused me of either being a gunman or a monster. Not sure how there could be any leeway between them.

So I'm guessing you think I targeted either Arrows, Jaded or Nedew? Since Zeel wasn't taken out by a gunman. So which one was it?

It shouldn't be that hard to work out what role I have, You know its limited. And I'm not sure about you at all. If you have supposed info on me, why wait so long? Why vote on IER first?

Are you denying that you targeted one of those players? You have to realize that this looks to me like you're trying to find out what I know so you can craft an appropriate lie.

So either you didn't target any of those players and I'm as wrong as you say. Or you did, in which questioning your motives doesn't seem like an odd thing for someone to do at all. So, for the record, which is it?

[gonvick]

Just caught up with everything.

Since Destiny has become so forthcoming with the answers, I'll re-ask why is it that he said that he only recently discovered that he'll die only if someone scum he hides behind kills, yet he later said that he was asking Zeel/Catwoman Qs on day one because of that very ability which he didn't find out after the fact?

If we're misinterpretting this, then by all means explain it away, but for now that still leaves me suspicious about the whole thing. And even believing his claim, I'm still not really sure why that specific mechanic would be a part of his character.

I would like to hear Destiny address this issue. I'm not as bothered by it as others, but it comes down to possible interpretations. But I'd like an explanation so I know that I'm not incorrectly presuming an explanation that makes more sense than what he has.

[SuperOwens]

I have some info that informs my questioning.

But while you're here...



When you pledged to vote for Destiny today, you said that you thought he was lying about his role, or at least parts of it. I'm not sure how either of these reasons explain a change in vote.

If you think he's lying, then surely lynching carries a good chance of killing scum. And suggesting that we not lynch someone who's lying because he haven't killed other scum doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

And testing his claim, as well as can be done anyway, was as much of an option earlier when you said you didn't believe him and when you voted for him early in the phase. I'm not clear as to why that's a better option now than it was then.

If you no longer think he's lying, could you explain a bit about how that change came about?



Are you denying that you targeted one of those players? You have to realize that this looks to me like you're trying to find out what I know so you can craft an appropriate lie.

So either you didn't target any of those players and I'm as wrong as you say. Or you did, in which questioning your motives doesn't seem like an odd thing for someone to do at all. So, for the record, which is it?

:)

Still avoiding actually asking any questions yourself then? I tell you what, I'll meet you in the middle. I'm here for the next 30 minutes. I targeted somebody off of that list, no need to think up a lie as its something I can prove.

Tell me who it was.

[gonvick]

:)

Still avoiding actually asking any questions yourself then? I tell you what, I'll meet you in the middle. I'm here for the next 30 minutes. I targeted somebody off of that list, no need to think up a lie as its something I can prove.

Tell me who it was.

You targeted Nedew. Given that he was attacked by a monster and hospitalized, and that you admitted to not going out when there was no hospitalization but did go out when there was, could you explain how my thinking you could well be that monster didn't make any sense to you?

How did the likelihood that I knew you targeted him not occur to you. If I investigated someone that was attacked and someone questioned my whereabouts that night, the first thing I would think of was that they saw me target the victim. The questions would make sense to me. Curious why it was different for you.

[SuperOwens]

You targeted Nedew. Given that he was attacked by a monster and hospitalized, and that you admitted to not going out when there was no hospitalization but did go out when there was, could you explain how my thinking you could well be that monster didn't make any sense to you?

How did the likelihood that I knew you targeted him not occur to you. If I investigated someone that was attacked and someone questioned my whereabouts that night, the first thing I would think of was that they saw me target the victim. The questions would make sense to me. Curious why it was different for you.

I thought you were fishing. Originally you mentioned the kill and the monster. Didn't really trust you. Though I have to say, we have no idea who was attacked by that monster. Could have been Nedew or Jaded.

But yeah, you right. I look at Nedew. Probably for the same reason you did.

[gonvick]

I thought you were fishing. Originally you mentioned the kill and the monster. Didn't really trust you. Though I have to say, we have no idea who was attacked by that monster. Could have been Nedew or Jaded.

But yeah, you right. I look at Nedew. Probably for the same reason you did.

I know it was Nedew. I know it is either you or someone else that is the monster that attacked him.

So, now will you give a role title and whatever else you can to clear yourself. I still think you're the one, but I'm willing to be persuaded and look elsewhere.

[gonvick]

I know it was Nedew. I know it is either you or someone else that is the monster that attacked him.

So, now will you give a role title and whatever else you can to clear yourself. I still think you're the one, but I'm willing to be persuaded and look elsewhere.

And by "someone else", I mean one specific player. Just so we're clear.

[SuperOwens]

I know it was Nedew. I know it is either you or someone else that is the monster that attacked him.

So, now will you give a role title and whatever else you can to clear yourself. I still think you're the one, but I'm willing to be persuaded and look elsewhere.

You will get it. I really do have to shoot. Just leaving work, London transport is mental and want to write a big post.

I get home in about 2 hours. I'll get straight on here.

[crayon]

SuperOwens, for when you get back, if you're not the attacker, did you get anything which can be divulged, from looking into Nedew?

[trypio]

I have some info that informs my questioning.

But while you're here...

When you pledged to vote for Destiny today, you said that you thought he was lying about his role, or at least parts of it. I'm not sure how either of these reasons explain a change in vote.

If you think he's lying, then surely lynching carries a good chance of killing scum. And suggesting that we not lynch someone who's lying because he haven't killed other scum doesn't seem like a good idea to me.

And testing his claim, as well as can be done anyway, was as much of an option earlier when you said you didn't believe him and when you voted for him early in the phase. I'm not clear as to why that's a better option now than it was then.

If you no longer think he's lying, could you explain a bit about how that change came about?

I'm not saying I no longer think he's lying about his role or about parts of it. But he's made his case, made his full claim (fake or not) and there's not anymore info we're gonna get out of him. It's more a "Do we lynch him or not?" question.

I personally am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to get proven innocent next nightphase by you, SuperOwens or someone else that wants to come out and say he has a night ability and is willing to try to use it on Destiny tonight.

Either way if we end up with no other targets in the end I'm willing to help lynch him, but I'd prefer pursuing another option today and handle Destiny tomorrow, when someone can confirm whether he was hidden or not.

[i effin rule]

And by "someone else", I mean one specific player. Just so we're clear.

Based on your previous questioning, I assume you're talking about me?

[Antithesis]

You think?

Not sure what else you want. Really not hard to work out on the info you have.

I didn't want anything.

But if you are gonna claim to be an investigator you could probably go ahead and say who you've targetted thus far to clear them (assuming they came up town aligned)

[Jman2k3]

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and Vote: jman2k3

:rolleyes:

[trypio]

I didn't want anything.

But if you are gonna claim to be an investigator you could probably go ahead and say who you've targetted thus far to clear them (assuming they came up town aligned)

He said he didn't go out N1, so I assume he only checked out Nedew.

[trypio]

While I'm here, I'm willing to help add some pressure to SuperOwens.

Vote: SuperOwens

[Antithesis]

While I'm here, I'm willing to help add some pressure to SuperOwens.

Vote: SuperOwens

I know that it isn't certain that he's being honest, but the guy's hinted at being an investigator.

Why would you vote on someone claiming to be an investigator?

[gonvick]

I'm not saying I no longer think he's lying about his role or about parts of it. But he's made his case, made his full claim (fake or not) and there's not anymore info we're gonna get out of him. It's more a "Do we lynch him or not?" question.

I personally am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and give him a chance to get proven innocent next nightphase by you, SuperOwens or someone else that wants to come out and say he has a night ability and is willing to try to use it on Destiny tonight.

Either way if we end up with no other targets in the end I'm willing to help lynch him, but I'd prefer pursuing another option today and handle Destiny tomorrow, when someone can confirm whether he was hidden or not.

So your earlier vote was to get info out of him? Because that was far from clear when you cast it. Your point during the night phase seemed to be that you didn't believe his claim, not that he needed to give more info. So I presumed your vote today, which referenced that opinion, was based on not believing him rather than an unmentioned search for more info.

What exactly was the info gathered today that made the difference for you?

Based on your previous questioning, I assume you're talking about me?

Why would you have to assume? ;)

[Tha Black Phenom]

He's just hoping on the bandwagon.

Oh now come on. :o

Fixed :p

I lol'd, tbh.

Can always vote on Prophet another time and don't want to split the vote.

Change Vote: Destiny

Kay.

For the record: BlueStar is an awesome guy and is not one of the people that I was/am frustrated with.

Liar.

Yeah, apart from these fluff posts, I thought for a second Destiny didn't divulge anything, but I skipped a page. Seems not everything has been resolved as of yet, but enough to stay off it.

Change Vote: No Vote

The vick/SO exchange is interesting to say the least, I'll have to say I do question the vote on IER first, meaning he rung your alarm bells that much? Hunch over concrete evidence is a gamble.. then again I'm sure you were to question SuperOwens eventually. If he truly is the investigator coming out, then I guess we'll have to be vigilant on this one.

Will have to look up again for the vote on Jman, although looking up, part of me might guess why...

[i effin rule]

Why would you have to assume? ;)

For all I know, there could have been a marvelous party last night with all kinds of guests. I know where I was and I know for a fact I'm not in any write up.

[trypio]

I know that it isn't certain that he's being honest, but the guy's hinted at being an investigator.

Why would you vote on someone claiming to be an investigator?
He doesn't seem to keen on giving a role title, but I'd gladly take of my vote when he does.
So your earlier vote was to get info out of him? Because that was far from clear when you cast it. Your point during the night phase seemed to be that you didn't believe his claim, not that he needed to give more info. So I presumed your vote today, which referenced that opinion, was based on not believing him rather than an unmentioned search for more info.

What exactly was the info gathered today that made the difference for you?


I didn't get any extra info on him or stuff like that. The thing that made the difference is that he says he has hidden behind Arrows while that would clearly be a dumb choice if you were making things up.

Assume that I'm scum and that I'm fake claiming hider. When someone asks "Who did you hide behind then?" I wouldn't pick the guy that was killed during that nightphase which makes stuff even more difficult considering I've also said that I die if my target gets killed. I'd pick a quiet guy or a proven townie if I had to make something like that up, not the guy that just got killed.

[gonvick]

For all I know, there could have been a marvelous party last night with all kinds of guests. I know where I was and I know for a fact I'm not in any write up.

Well, I did say there was only 1 other possibility. I assume you're not going to claim that you don't fit the criteria.

So we have two people claiming to not be in the write up, and I know one of them is lying.

[Antithesis]

For all I know, there could have been a marvelous party last night with all kinds of guests. I know where I was and I know for a fact I'm not in any write up.

You hinting at a Marvel faction?

[i effin rule]

You hinting at a Marvel faction?

No. I was just implying that I have no way of knowing how many people were visiting a certain individual.

[Antithesis]

He doesn't seem to keen on giving a role title, but I'd gladly take of my vote when he does.


I didn't get any extra info on him or stuff like that. The thing that made the difference is that he says he has hidden behind Arrows while that would clearly be a dumb choice if you were making things up.

Assume that I'm scum and that I'm fake claiming hider. When someone asks "Who did you hide behind then?" I wouldn't pick the guy that was killed during that nightphase which makes stuff even more difficult considering I've also said that I die if my target gets killed. I'd pick a quiet guy or a proven townie if I had to make something like that up, not the guy that just got killed.

Then again, by claiming he hid behind Arrows, he doesn't have to risk claiming to have hidden behind someone that might be in a write up but his part isn't shown. Thats assuming Destiny is scum and in the same scum group as the bus driver and killer.

Thats just the other side though. I agree saying he hid behind Arrows only draws more questions for him.

Destiny either has to be more upfront from now on or return to yet more suspicion. I'm not sold 100% he's town, I really do think think a game this size would have a hider, and no ones counter claimed so I'm willing to look elsewhere, provided Destiny does his part in the future.

[gonvick]

I didn't get any extra info on him or stuff like that. The thing that made the difference is that he says he has hidden behind Arrows while that would clearly be a dumb choice if you were making things up.

Assume that I'm scum and that I'm fake claiming hider. When someone asks "Who did you hide behind then?" I wouldn't pick the guy that was killed during that nightphase which makes stuff even more difficult considering I've also said that I die if my target gets killed. I'd pick a quiet guy or a proven townie if I had to make something like that up, not the guy that just got killed.

Ok, thanks. I don't disagree with the basic point here. Doesn't seem like a useful lie to tell. But then even if he's telling the truth he's played things poorly, so a bad scum play isn't out of the question. Could be the speculation of a bus driver made him think it was better than making up a name, but I don't recall the timing of his claim versus other speculation.

Makes me wonder why when you removed your vote that you quoted and agreed with Anti's point about scum wanting to mislynch a hider rather than this idea about his claim not being a good lie. Why not state the reason for the change rather than a possible strategy that relies on Destiny having been telling the truth, which you say you're still not sure about?

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 8 (derek_b, Glotnot, mjdgoldeneye, petrija, crayon, TakerNGN74, Jman2k3, moon_lit_tears)
Jman23k - 1 (Astil)
Prophet - 2 (GruntMark, eayragt)
SuperOwens - 2 (Gonvick, trypio)

[trypio]

Ok, thanks. I don't disagree with the basic point here. Doesn't seem like a useful lie to tell. But then even if he's telling the truth he's played things poorly, so a bad scum play isn't out of the question. Could be the speculation of a bus driver made him think it was better than making up a name, but I don't recall the timing of his claim versus other speculation.

Makes me wonder why when you removed your vote that you quoted and agreed with Anti's point about scum wanting to mislynch a hider rather than this idea about his claim not being a good lie. Why not state the reason for the change rather than a possible strategy that relies on Destiny having been telling the truth, which you say you're still not sure about?
I agree that he played his role very poor if he is in fact a hider.

Because that was another big reason why I took my vote off. I was afraid that scum would be piling up votes on him and lynch an almost unkillable townie (if he's telling the truth), so I took my vote off.

[Derek B]

Hmm... gonvick watched Nedew and saw both IER and SuperOwens there, with Nedew being injured by the monster since it looks like Arrows injured the other person and gonvick's list doesn't appear to have Arrows on it.

Both IER and SO have denied it's them doing the hurting/being the monster...

SO decided to post a message saying he's heading off rather than a role title/character.

IER has given nothing.

Hmmm....

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Hmmmmmmm.....

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CHANGE VOTE: SuperOwens

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But to be honest, both could be bad news. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. :)

[BHK1978]

Well I am always down with going after SuperOwens (only because he always seems to be happy going after me).:D That being said I would like to wait and here what he has to say before placing a vote on him.

[Jman2k3]

Will have to look up again for the vote on Jman, although looking up, part of me might guess why...

Have no clue why he threw a vote down on me when I handed yall a potential baddie.

[BHK1978]

Well I am always down with going after SuperOwens (only because he always seems to be happy going after me).:D That being said I would like to wait and hear what he has to say before placing a vote on him.

Because I am a moron and I know the difference between here and hear and wrote here anyways....:o

[Wallbanger]

Hmm... gonvick watched Nedew and saw both IER and SuperOwens there, with Nedew being injured by the monster since it looks like Arrows injured the other person and gonvick's list doesn't appear to have Arrows on it.

Both IER and SO have denied it's them doing the hurting/being the monster...

SO decided to post a message saying he's heading off rather than a role title/character.

IER has given nothing.

Hmmm....

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Hmmmmmmm.....

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CHANGE VOTE: SuperOwens

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But to be honest, both could be bad news. Wouldn't be the first time that's happened. :)

Derek, if I were to choose, I'd choose ier at this moment. Did you notice that SO used a plural pronoun in his response before begging off, as if to imply that he's part of a group (and now perhaps their spokesperson)? Also SO did promise to respond in greater detail, and we have time to allow him the chance to keep his word.

Once I hear SO's more complete response, I'll evaluate it and decide whether I join an SO bandwagon or start/join an IER bandwagon.

[i effin rule]

Derek, if I were to choose, I'd choose ier at this moment. Did you notice that SO used a plural pronoun in his response before begging off, as if to imply that he's part of a group (and now perhaps their spokesperson)? Also SO did promise to respond in greater detail, and we have time to allow him the chance to keep his word.

Once I hear SO's more complete response, I'll evaluate it and decide whether I join an SO bandwagon or start/join an IER bandwagon.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm female.

[Wallbanger]

Have no clue why he threw a vote down on me when I handed yall a potential baddie.

Because you jumped on a bandwagon that was clearly stalling with little more than a token explanation, then called out another player for doing just what you did.

In fact, the rationale of 'not splitting the vote' indicates to me that you're not as confident in the Prophet=Dark Phoenix theory as you'd like to present or that you were just throwing it out to see if it would build a head of steam on its own.

Astil's got a good eye for those kind of things, and he may be on to something. I'm still more likely to be looking at SO/IER at the moment, but rest assured IGMEOY Jman.

[Wallbanger]

If it makes you feel any better, I'm female.

So many potential responses, and not a single one of them appropriate. :p

[GruntMark]

Gonna have to go with.

Change Vote: Super Owens

[Derek B]

Derek, if I were to choose, I'd choose ier at this moment. Did you notice that SO used a plural pronoun in his response before begging off, as if to imply that he's part of a group (and now perhaps their spokesperson)? Also SO did promise to respond in greater detail, and we have time to allow him the chance to keep his word.

Once I hear SO's more complete response, I'll evaluate it and decide whether I join an SO bandwagon or start/join an IER bandwagon.

If it makes you feel any better, I'm female.

So many potential responses, and not a single one of them appropriate. :p

That's not what the FOS is for!! Just keep the IGMEOY on her or risk getting the slaps that are reserved for Prophet. :p

Seriously though, I'm going to be around later which will theoretically be after SO has laid out his plans. I'm moving my vote to one of them as much as I am moving it off Destiny just now, and I did say that I'm not confident on either of them. A few people have posted about having their doubts on IER and with good cause too. I just can't/won't interrogate everyone that draws my eye at once. :)

[Antithesis]

Derek, if I were to choose, I'd choose ier at this moment. Did you notice that SO used a plural pronoun in his response before begging off, as if to imply that he's part of a group (and now perhaps their spokesperson)? Also SO did promise to respond in greater detail, and we have time to allow him the chance to keep his word.

Once I hear SO's more complete response, I'll evaluate it and decide whether I join an SO bandwagon or start/join an IER bandwagon.

Yet another group in this game? Jeesh like more and more credence for the multiple group theory someone floated earlier...

[crayon]

I'm thinking he was using the proverbial we, as in the whole town.

Pure speculation of course, but I guess he'll lay it all out once he gets back. Depending on his answer I may need to make a vote change. I still find Destiny suspect, but I'm starting to think it'll be better to wait and see what happens when someone targets him tonight, and if he starts becoming more productive.

[Jman2k3]

In fact, the rationale of 'not splitting the vote' indicates to me that you're not as confident in the Prophet=Dark Phoenix theory as you'd like to present or that you were just throwing it out to see if it would build a head of steam on its own.

I supreme confident in my theory, but no one is was listening. when I said it. He has the power levels of the Phoenix already and he even confirmed himself that he was Jean Grey, but said he had the Phoenix under control. Grunt then stated he was probably lying because Jean starts out with the Dark Phoenix gimmick in the Mod.

I got my eye on you to as well Mr. Bossman. ;)

[Wallbanger]

I supreme confident in my theory, but no one is was listening. when I said it. He has the power levels of the Phoenix already and he even confirmed himself that he was Jean Grey, but said he had the Phoenix under control. Grunt then stated he was probably lying because Jean starts out with the Dark Phoenix gimmick in the Mod.

I got my eye on you to as well Mr. Bossman. ;)

Were I in your shoes, I would have stuck to my guns then, even if I were the proverbial prophet in the desert (no pun intended). Jumping to Destiny gave the appearance of weakness, IMO.

If we get satisfactory responses from SO/IER I'm willing to consider Prophet as an option.

[SuperOwens]

Well, I did say there was only 1 other possibility. I assume you're not going to claim that you don't fit the criteria.

So we have two people claiming to not be in the write up, and I know one of them is lying.

That would be me. A quick I'm back post, later then expected. I did lie, I am the monster.

Venom, Justice Aligned Spider Symbiote.

Longer post coming

[crayon]

That would be me. A quick I'm back post, later then expected. I did lie, I am the monster.

Venom, Justice Aligned Spider Symbiote.

Lolwutthe-

[SuperOwens]

Okay, so this is a post I hoped I wouldn't have to make so early.

I have 4 abilities, each one a one-shot.

I can investigate a role, downside is that I do that by the only way venom knows, so target ends up silent for a phase. I basically know Nedew's role. I dont want to go into detail about this at the moment. I know others will know what I'm talking about.

I can protect somebody, downside is they get wrapped in my tendrils and are essentially blocked as well.

I can watch over a target, downside is I cant stave my instinct for violence so anybody targeting them may end up in a bad way

I also have a kill.

Venom is bad, I know that, you know that. My pm says something about not everything being the same in this universe and I think I'm basically half and half.

Like I say, I know Nedew's role now. There was a specific reason for going after him, which I'm sure Gon picked up on as well. He is good to go.

[Antithesis]

That would be me. A quick I'm back post, later then expected. I did lie, I am the monster.

Venom, Justice Aligned Spider Symbiote.

Longer post coming

Not good.

:lying about what one did/can do even as town is not good: See WC

Plus Venom is a character that can go either way, more so than even Catwoman I would think.

[Antithesis]

Not good.

:lying about what one did/can do even as town is not good: See WC

Plus Venom is a character that can go either way, more so than even Catwoman I would think.

There is an extremely easy way to test your claim. Bad thing for you is 2, maybe three people tops understand what I mean, and I don't really feel inclined to explain it further.

[SuperOwens]

Not good.

:lying about what one did/can do even as town is not good: See WC

Plus Venom is a character that can go either way, more so than even Catwoman I would think.

Indeed, I have only heard of him in bad contentions myself. As for the lying, really didn't want this coming out this way. And I honestly thought Gon was throwing around crap and seeing what sticks.

[Antithesis]

The man sat awkwardly in a chair. He was deep in thought, now ready to act.

And then a monster crashed through his window and slammed into him. The attack was savage and the man was left in a pool of his blood, nearly dead. Exhausted, the terrifying creature fled into the night.



If this is you attacking Nedew where is even a hint of IER, or for that matter, a hint of Gonvick watching?

I mean technically, you all targetted (and thus were at) Nedew's place.

[SuperOwens]

If this is you attacking Nedew where is even a hint of IER, or for that matter, a hint of Gonvick watching?

I mean technically, you all targetted (and thus were at) Nedew's place.

No idea.

Not really sure what your getting at?

[crayon]

It seems such an outlandish claim that it could very well be true. Come to think of it, isn't Venom a part of the Dark Avengers currently in the Marvel universe, which I guess is kind of is like a team made of highly questionable characters doing some heroic stuff when they need really need to?

[BHK1978]

It seems such an outlandish claim that it could very well be true. Come to think of it, isn't Venom a part of the Dark Avengers currently in the Marvel universe, which I guess is kind of is like a team made of highly questionable characters doing some heroic stuff when they need really need to?

I was thinking the same thing. The role he is saying would make sense in my opinion.

[Glotnot]

You hinting at a Marvel faction?

Yet another group in this game? Jeesh like more and more credence for the multiple group theory someone floated earlier...

I was one of those people.

There's a DC group; so there's probably a Marvel group.


Venom is bad, I know that, you know that. My pm says something about not everything being the same in this universe and I think I'm basically half and half.

I dunno.

I can buy the role, but...Catwoman was DC aligned. Why is Venom Justice Aligned?

[SuperOwens]

I was one of those people.

There's a DC group; so there's probably a Marvel group.



I dunno.

I can buy the role, but...Catwoman was DC aligned. Why is Venom Justice Aligned?

Well, there is the recruitment theory.

[Glotnot]

Well, there is the recruitment theory.

Being recruited to the two groups, you mean?

But Marvel and DC are joined together in the Over9000verse. Them being separate makes it seem like they're fighting.

[SuperOwens]

Being recruited to the two groups, you mean?

But Marvel and DC are joined together in the Over9000verse. Them being separate makes it seem like they're fighting.

Not quite. Read night 1 write-up. Zeel has a meeting beforehand and its described as a reunion. Its possible he was recruited into a DC group.

[Wallbanger]

I was one of those people.

There's a DC group; so there's probably a Marvel group.



I dunno.

I can buy the role, but...Catwoman was DC aligned. Why is Venom Justice Aligned?

This part, at least, I can buy, as I find myself in a similar scenario (a character that has a very clear franchise identity but is straight town)

If true, it's a lynchbait role.

[gonvick]

Okay, so this is a post I hoped I wouldn't have to make so early.

I have 4 abilities, each one a one-shot.

I can investigate a role, downside is that I do that by the only way venom knows, so target ends up silent for a phase. I basically know Nedew's role. I dont want to go into detail about this at the moment. I know others will know what I'm talking about.

I can protect somebody, downside is they get wrapped in my tendrils and are essentially blocked as well.

I can watch over a target, downside is I cant stave my instinct for violence so anybody targeting them may end up in a bad way

I also have a kill.

Venom is bad, I know that, you know that. My pm says something about not everything being the same in this universe and I think I'm basically half and half.

Like I say, I know Nedew's role now. There was a specific reason for going after him, which I'm sure Gon picked up on as well. He is good to go.

If you picked up the same thing I did, I have to wonder why you would target him with an ability that would block him. I wouldn't think finding out his role would be more important than letting him use it. But maybe we're thinking of different things.

I wouldn't expect you to fake claim Venom, though I can't think of other monster characters that would make a better claim off the top of my head, so I tend to believe you are who you say you are. Just not yet sure I believe the alignment.

If this is you attacking Nedew where is even a hint of IER, or for that matter, a hint of Gonvick watching?

I mean technically, you all targetted (and thus were at) Nedew's place.

I would have thought there would be a mention of me there as well. I can only conclude that it's due to the semi-dark nature of the game that dww spoke of.

[eayragt]

Well, there is the recruitment theory.

I don't buy the recruitment theory. I'm not sure why there would be DC aligned and not Marvel aligned. It just doesn't quite make sense to me.

Still, it's fishy that Prophet hasn't turned up at all since putting out his little piece of information, as if he's trying to avoid further questions while Destiny gets lynched. I definately have my eye in that direction.

Back to matters at hand, I don't buy it.

Change vote: SuperOwens

[crayon]

Being recruited to the two groups, you mean?

But Marvel and DC are joined together in the Over9000verse. Them being separate makes it seem like they're fighting.

Not entirely true... the promotion has them together, but they're divided by faction and alignment within that promotion. And I recall d_w_w having quite a good run at playing the two against each other.

So it could be possible that kind of extended his diary scenario into this mafia world, with the addition of some random anime and the more colorful characters found within the verse.

Although, it's got to be said, if Venom isn't a bad guy, it makes you wonder just who does qualify for one?

[SuperOwens]

If you picked up the same thing I did, I have to wonder why you would target him with an ability that would block him. I wouldn't think finding out his role would be more important than letting him use it. But maybe we're thinking of different things.

I wouldn't expect you to fake claim Venom, though I can't think of other monster characters that would make a better claim off the top of my head, so I tend to believe you are who you say you are. Just not yet sure I believe the alignment.



I would have thought there would be a mention of me there as well. I can only conclude that it's due to the semi-dark nature of the game that dww spoke of.

The same thing. I can confirm its true.

I didn't believe it, the way it came out was odd. I thought it was strange for it to come out anyway. And I can think of about 4 recent games where it has been implemented as a scum ploy.



I don't buy the recruitment theory. I'm not sure why there would be DC aligned and not Marvel aligned. It just doesn't quite make sense to me.

Still, it's fishy that Prophet hasn't turned up at all since putting out his little piece of information, as if he's trying to avoid further questions while Destiny gets lynched. I definately have my eye in that direction.

Back to matters at hand, I don't buy it.

Change vote: SuperOwens


Hmm, I understand where your coming from. Iron man was marvel though wasn't he? He came out justice

[Wallbanger]

I thought you were fishing. Originally you mentioned the kill and the monster. Didn't really trust you. Though I have to say, we have no idea who was attacked by that monster. Could have been Nedew or Jaded.

But yeah, you right. I look at Nedew. Probably for the same reason you did.

So if you're straight Justice aligned, SO, who's 'we'?

[SuperOwens]

So if you're straight Justice aligned, SO, who's 'we'?

Town.

[eayragt]

Hmm, I understand where your coming from. Iron man was marvel though wasn't he? He came out justice

... good point.

Really did make me stop and think. But then I remembered that you're a good player and could have had this response ready and waiting to go.

It's still not clear cut - I wouldn't be suprised for Marvel character to come out and claim that they're Justice aligned. But it's an odd, odd claim. And a better route than we've been on for the rest of the day.

[SuperOwens]

... good point.

Really did make me stop and think. But then I remembered that you're a good player and could have had this response ready and waiting to go.

It's still not clear cut - I wouldn't be suprised for Marvel character to come out and claim that they're Justice aligned. But it's an odd, odd claim. And a better route than we've been on for the rest of the day.

I'll take the compliment :D

Its a weird role. I wouldn't call it lynch bait, as I can prove abilities. But its close.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 30 players remaining, you have until 1:00 am / 5:00 am on Thursday, March 25th to reach a majority of 16 votes. If a lynch is not achieved, a no lynch will be declared.

Destiny - 7 (Glotnot, mjdgoldeneye, petrija, crayon, TakerNGN74, Jman2k3, moon_lit_tears)
Jman23k - 1 (Astil)
SuperOwens - 5 (Gonvick, trypio, derek_b, GruntMark, eayragt)

[Antithesis]

Anyone ever consider the possibility that there are Marvel and DC characters that start out Justice aligned but are recruited to their respective groups and that can still win with Justice (being that they are heroes) but maybe have to compete against each other too?

[Wallbanger]

I'll take the compliment :D

Its a weird role. I wouldn't call it lynch bait, as I can prove abilities. But its close.

Question is, is it worth the price of 'proving' your abilities? Given your stated 'drawbacks' to your one-shots, I lean no.

[eayragt]

Anyone ever consider the possibility that there are Marvel and DC characters that start out Justice aligned but are recruited to their respective groups and that can still win with Justice (being that they are heroes) but maybe have to compete against each other too?

Not really. Zeel said early on he had an extra line in his win condition, although that may have been after he was recruited. Suggests he had this extra line from the beginning - you'd hardly shout about a change in win condition. Extra line = DC aligned.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Claiming a reckless monster. Damn. If Venom's not out there murking people apart, then who is? Of course, there may be several answers if we rely on the Over9000 world, but on paper this is something I find hard to stomach. What concerns me also is a protection may be hard to prove throughout the write-ups, as well as watching, unless again, several people find themselves in one scene. That leaves his investigation/silencing and a kill...

Though if SO was truthful, I think he would definitely come up as "over 9000!!!!" on Jman's radar, meaning Prophet's case... well, it's still half and half on that end, but surely you know where I'm coming from.

Wouldn't surprise me if this game was loaded with such powerhouses of the sort, needless to say my character is nowhere near that.

[gonvick]

The same thing. I can confirm its true.

I didn't believe it, the way it came out was odd. I thought it was strange for it to come out anyway. And I can think of about 4 recent games where it has been implemented as a scum ploy.

And you thought it was better to block him now rather than give him the chance to prove it on his own. I thought it was kind of odd as well, but it would have been known eventually and if he took longer than you expected you could have investigated him at a later time. Also not sure why you waited until Night 2.

The problem I'm having here is that, if we're on the same page here, it makes more sense to me for scum to target him with that ability than town.

[SuperOwens]

Question is, is it worth the price of 'proving' your abilities? Given your stated 'drawbacks' to your one-shots, I lean no.

There is an easier way.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Anyone ever consider the possibility that there are Marvel and DC characters that start out Justice aligned but are recruited to their respective groups and that can still win with Justice (being that they are heroes) but maybe have to compete against each other too?

May depend on roles and abilities overall, but I wouldn't rule it out. Maybe not the latter part though.

[Antithesis]

Not really. Zeel said early on he had an extra line in his win condition, although that may have been after he was recruited. Suggests he had this extra line from the beginning - you'd hardly shout about a change in win condition. Extra line = DC aligned.

The extra line could be that he had to outnumber members of the Marvel group at the end as well...

right?

[SuperOwens]

And you thought it was better to block him now rather than give him the chance to prove it on his own. I thought it was kind of odd as well, but it would have been known eventually and if he took longer than you expected you could have investigated him at a later time. Also not sure why you waited until Night 2.

The problem I'm having here is that, if we're on the same page here, it makes more sense to me for scum to target him with that ability than town.

Problem being, I'm sure he would have posted something. Whether that was true or not would have been the question. Its really hard to talk about this with it no being general knowledge.

I thought it was worth it, to stop the inevitable questions that would come questioning either side. I'd love to be able to point to examples here.

[Glotnot]

Not entirely true... the promotion has them together, but they're divided by faction and alignment within that promotion. And I recall d_w_w having quite a good run at playing the two against each other.

So it could be possible that kind of extended his diary scenario into this mafia world, with the addition of some random anime and the more colorful characters found within the verse.

Although, it's got to be said, if Venom isn't a bad guy, it makes you wonder just who does qualify for one?

That's just more reason to think that the alignments are fighting each other. >.<

[Antithesis]

That's just more reason to think that the alignments are fighting each other. >.<

Are you suggesting that maybe it was a Marvel person that killed Zeel?

:eek:

[Glotnot]

Are you suggesting that maybe it was a Marvel person that killed Zeel?

:eek:

Sure. Why not?

[Antithesis]

Sure. Why not?

Doesn't seem very heroic to me.

[Glotnot]

Doesn't seem very heroic to me.

Shooting purely off of theory, there are plenty of Marvel villains capable of ripping Catwoman's bullwhip in half.

The first one to come to mind that I know is in the mod would be Abomination.

[Glotnot]

To be honest, I think it was a Street Fighter guy that killed Zeel.

But it could have just as easily been a Marvel characterl.

[Antithesis]

Shooting purely off of theory, there are plenty of Marvel villains capable of ripping Catwoman's bullwhip in half.

The first one to come to mind that I know is in the mod would be Abomination.

But...

would the villains be part of the Marvel Group, or, part of their own scum group.

Say maybe a DC scum group and a Marvel scum group... for example?

[Antithesis]

But...

would the villains be part of the Marvel Group, or, part of their own scum group.

Say maybe a DC scum group and a Marvel scum group... for example?

Or maybe just one big group of assorted villains for that matter.

[Glotnot]

But...

would the villains be part of the Marvel Group, or, part of their own scum group.

Say maybe a DC scum group and a Marvel scum group... for example?

A Marvel group, a DC group, a Marvel scum group, and a DC scum group?

I think that's a bit to much representation from just those two groups. >.>

There are dozens of other comic groups represented in the mod, not to mention anime, video game, movie, and real life characters.

[GruntMark]

Hmmm

I dont like that you would now have an excuse should you ever be caught killing.

Also that you apparently recieved a result that the only defense against would be "nu-uh, SO is lying!" Thats just fairly atypical of the town.

Also you're freakin Venom.

I think Im going to leave my vote.

[Glotnot]

Or maybe just one big group of assorted villains for that matter.

Yeah. I think that would be more likely.

I think it's either that, or some villains were just included in the core groups, like you first said.

[gonvick]

Problem being, I'm sure he would have posted something. Whether that was true or not would have been the question. Its really hard to talk about this with it no being general knowledge.

I thought it was worth it, to stop the inevitable questions that would come questioning either side. I'd love to be able to point to examples here.

Why not Night 1?

[Glotnot]

...Part of me wants to lynch SO just to see the results.

It would answer a lot of questions about the two groups.

[eayragt]

Speculation about DC and Marvel aligned is just that. Until we get a(nother) Marvel character claim or lynched, we're not going to know if Marvel aligned even exists. Or even if they're at war with one another. However, Zeel wasn't 100% aware that his extra line wan't in every town win condition, so I think suggestions for it so far are out.

Might there be DC aligned and not Marvel aligned? Sure - how many Mason groups do you want? Whether that suggests more or less Marvel character could be taken either way - however, why would Venom be a townie? It's possible lynch bait... or possible scum.

[Antithesis]

A Marvel group, a DC group, a Marvel scum group, and a DC scum group?

I think that's a bit to much representation from just those two groups. >.>

There are dozens of other comic groups represented in the mod, not to mention anime, video game, movie, and real life characters.

True and yet, in one phase, two people claim Marvel characters.

Obviously this isn't DC vs Marvel Mafia. But there is something going on with the DC/Marvel thing in this game.

[Glotnot]

Speculation about DC and Marvel aligned is just that. Until we get a(nother) Marvel character claim or lynched, we're not going to know if Marvel aligned even exists. Or even if they're at war with one another. However, Zeel wasn't 100% aware that his extra line wan't in every town win condition, so I think suggestions for it so far are out.

Might there be DC aligned and not Marvel aligned? Sure - how many Mason groups do you want? Whether that suggests more or less Marvel character could be taken either way - however, why would Venom be a townie? It's possible lynch bait... or possible scum.

It just seems highly unlikely that one would be in the game without the other.

And given information on the history of the two groups in real life, in the Over9000-verse, and from information crayon gave on d_w_w's diary on the subject, it seems as though the only logical reason for them to be separate groups is that they're at war.

And if they ARE at war, no Marvel or DC character is going to claim.

The only time any of them will claim is if they also say that they aren't Marvel/DC aligned.

So we'll never learn anything on either group.

[Glotnot]

True and yet, in one phase, two people claim Marvel characters.

Obviously this isn't DC vs Marvel Mafia. But there is something going on with the DC/Marvel thing in this game.

Two Marvel characters? I think I missed one...hold on.

But yes, I'll agree that there's definitely something going on with them.

[Antithesis]

Speculation about DC and Marvel aligned is just that. Until we get a(nother) Marvel character claim or lynched, we're not going to know if Marvel aligned even exists. Or even if they're at war with one another. However, Zeel wasn't 100% aware that his extra line wan't in every town win condition, so I think suggestions for it so far are out.

Might there be DC aligned and not Marvel aligned? Sure - how many Mason groups do you want? Whether that suggests more or less Marvel character could be taken either way - however, why would Venom be a townie? It's possible lynch bait... or possible scum.

I was never a big Marvel fan but I do recall that Venom was a hero for a while (and may still be). That said though, personally, I consider the character a villain.

Rev was the mod for Marvel Mafia, the two SK's in that game were Venom, and gasp, Dark Phoenix.

I was co mod for that game and the revelations so far today are really messing with my head. :D

[Glotnot]

Never mind...I remember who the other one is now. -.-

[eayragt]

So we'll never learn anything on either group.

Time to lynch SuperOwens then. The only way we wont learn something about the possibilites of a Marvel group and a competition with DC is if he's scum.

Win win.

We need to get this ball rolling now. I know there's several hours left in this phase, but some Europeans will be going off line soon.

[Antithesis]

Time to lynch SuperOwens then. The only way we wont learn something about the possibilites of a Marvel group and a competition with DC is if he's scum.

Win win.

We need to get this ball rolling now. I know there's several hours left in this phase, but some Europeans will be going off line soon.

I don't understand what you are saying? We lynch SO to see if a possible mason group will fess up to save him?

Is that what you are saying?

Or are you saying the Marvel group is a scum group?

[SuperOwens]

Why not Night 1?

I did have other ideas for night 1. Primary WC and Destiny. I ruled out WC because I thought it was essentially pointless and didn't want to waste anything on Destiny, without knowing if he could be targeted or not.

I went through the thread again and then found it. It was sandwiched in-between spam and missed it first time around.

Hmmm

I dont like that you would now have an excuse should you ever be caught killing.

Also that you apparently recieved a result that the only defense against would be "nu-uh, SO is lying!" Thats just fairly atypical of the town.

Also you're freakin Venom.

I think Im going to leave my vote.

An excuse? Not really sure what you mean. Its going to be pretty obvious if I kill anybody. I think its the same for all my abilities.

Though if it helps. In the mod my face stat is higher than my heel! :p

[Glotnot]

If we lynch SO, we learn something important about the Marvel/DC mechanics, no matter what his alignment is.

1) He's Justice, which means not all Marvel/DC characters are Marvel/DC Aligned. It doesn't put to rest the cult theory, but I don't know how likely that is to begin with. It also raises questions about normally morally ambiguous characters.

2) He's Marvel Aligned, absolutely confirming they're at war (or he'd have no reason to lie), and kind of leans towards saying that there isn't a supergroup of evil.

3) ...He's Supergroup of Evil Aligned, and we lynch scum. Yay.

[eayragt]

I don't understand what you are saying? We lynch SO to see if a possible mason group will fess up to save him?

Is that what you are saying?

Or are you saying the Marvel group is a scum group?

No, I'm saying that I believe he is scum.

Now, if he turns out to be town either we learn:

a) he's a Justice aligned Marvel character, suggesting there's no Marvel aligned
b) Marvel aligned exists

In the meantime we may get a marvel character suggesting Marevel aligned either exists or not.

So, we learn information about something that could be important to the town (if tehy are truly at war). Or we lynch scum.

And I believe the result will be we will lynch scum.

[eayragt]

Or what Glotnot said without making typos.

[Wallbanger]

If we lynch SO, we learn something important about the Marvel/DC mechanics, no matter what his alignment is.

1) He's Justice, which means not all Marvel/DC characters are Marvel/DC Aligned. It doesn't put to rest the cult theory, but I don't know how likely that is to begin with. It also raises questions about normally morally ambiguous characters.

2) He's Marvel Aligned, absolutely confirming they're at war (or he'd have no reason to lie), and kind of leans towards saying that there isn't a supergroup of evil.

3) ...He's Supergroup of Evil Aligned, and we lynch scum. Yay.

I mentioned it earlier -- I already know this.

[GruntMark]

Though if it helps. In the mod my face stat is higher than my heel! :p

Hmmm...not in my version.

Might want to check yours.

[SuperOwens]

Hmmm...not in my version.

Might want to check yours.

Sorry, that was a joke. Though I am a face in my promotion. Doesnt mean much I know.

[canyoudothecancan]

I do not know how old or new my venom mini series comics are but in most of them he is a hero.
Just throwing it out there.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Hmmm

I dont like that you would now have an excuse should you ever be caught killing.

Also that you apparently recieved a result that the only defense against would be "nu-uh, SO is lying!" Thats just fairly atypical of the town.

Also you're freakin Venom.

I think Im going to leave my vote.

/nod

Honestly, I'd put Venom on the other side of the barrel. Granted he's been a hero for some time, but with the number of guys out there available for choosing, I'm really not sure. Venom is largely reveled as a bad motherfudder. Then again, it could be the mods screwing with us.

This said, which option looks more likely? Venom being Justice along a myriad of townie characters/heroes or part of a supergroup of villains wanting to wreak havoc left and right?

I think its the same for all my abilities.

Really? If you protect someone, that's gonna be labeled all wide and open in the write-up? Or if you watch only one individual with no one else on the scene? mmmm

[Antithesis]

Did SO ever explain why he didn't target anyone N1?

[canyoudothecancan]

Did SO ever explain why he didn't target anyone N1?

Why would he? that wouldn't be smart if hes justice aligned like he says he is.
I suppose that could be the equivalent to a D1 Lynch.

[SuperOwens]

/nod

Honestly, I'd put Venom on the other side of the barrel. Granted he's been a hero for some time, but with the number of guys out there available for choosing, I'm really not sure. Venom is largely reveled as a bad motherfudder. Then again, it could be the mods screwing with us.

This said, which option looks more likely? Venom being Justice along a myriad of townie characters/heroes or part of a supergroup of villains wanting to wreak havoc left and right?



Really? If you protect someone, that's gonna be labeled all wide and open in the write-up? Or if you watch only one individual with no one else on the scene? mmmm

You don't think a big black liquid monster thing covering somebody in tendrils wont be in the write-up?

Your also all missing the easiest way of testing. I never claimed to be a miller.

Also guys, will be heading to bed fairly soonish. Gotta be up at 6:45

[SuperOwens]

Did SO ever explain why he didn't target anyone N1?

Yes :)

[Glotnot]

I mentioned it earlier -- I already know this.

But that implies that you're either DC or Marvel...so we can't take your word on the subject as fact for the same reason we can't take SO's as fact.