End of the Golden Era

[TCP1]

TEW 05: End of the Golden Era – 1993

Author: Tom Patrick
[CENTER]
With thanks to:

• Lundm for his fantastic work on both TV Networks and Other TV shows.
• BiggN for use of his BAM Angle/Storyline modification.
• Big thanks to the workers on T-Zone and RaveX, whose stats I modified for the Japanese section.
• TNAFAN for his locations file, which is just superb.
• Matt Welsh Boi for hosting the scenario so that others can use it.
• To Eric Baker for his fantastic Death of the Territories scenario that inspired me to create this.
• Finally, huge thanks to the community on www.greydogsoftware.com/forum for their continued support and untold numbers of photos.

http://www.self-deceit.com/tew2005.htm

Scenario Information:



Starting Date: August, 1993


Workers: 705
Locations: 1400
Promotions: 16
Promotion Pacts: 13
Gimmicks: 302
Angles: 930
Storylines: 55
Tag Teams: 145
Stables: 3
Worker Relationships: 335
Titles: 49
Events: 63
TV Shows: 10
TV Slots: 12
TV Networks: 121
Other TV Shows: 80







Promotions: 15


US: East Coast Wrestling Association (Local, Cutting Edge, Mid Atlantic), Eastern Championship Wrestling (Small, Cutting Edge, Tri State) Global Wrestling Federation (Small, Traditional, Mid South), Smokey Mountain Wrestling (Small, Traditional, South East), United States Wrestling Association (Small, Traditional, South East), World Championship Wrestling (International, Sports Entertainment, South East), World Wrestling Council (Small, Hardcore, Puerto Rico), World Wrestling Federation (International, Sports Entertainment, New England).

Canada: Border City Wrestling (Small, Traditional, Ontario).

Mexico: Asistencia Asesoria y Administracion (Cult, Lucha Entertainment, West Central), Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (Cult, Lucha Traditional, Northern).

Japan: All Japan Pro Wrestling (National, Sports Entertainment, Honshu), Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling (Cult, Hardcore, Honshu), Michinoku Pro (Small, Lucha entertainment, Hokkaido), New Japan Pro Wrestling (National, Traditional, Honshu).



General State of the Business:

• It is a tumultuous time for the companies of Northern America, as each is suffering from a huge slump in the industry. The largest company, WWF, owned by Vince McMahon has seen its assets slowly depleted by constant pressure from the Government regarding charges of sexual exploitation and steroid-abuse. With McMahon concentrating mainly on the inevitable trial, his booking decisions have become suspect.
• Whilst WCW were in a far more sound financial position to the WWF, they were also lacking in the creativity department. Following the departure of overly cautious booker Bill Watts, Eric Bischoff was given reigns of the joint largest promotion in North America. Although lacking experience for his new role, Bischoff had the savvy and business-sense to start to turn things around, although the aftermath of the last year arte still plain to be seen.
• In the south-eastern independent territories not much has changed as the Jarrett’s and the Lawler’s continue to dominate Memphis. Also Jim Cornette’s traditional Smokey Mountain Wrestling is producing some of the finest southern-style tag wrestling. In the South West, the Global Wrestling Federation is on its last legs after a variety of bizarre booking decisions. It finally seems that the legacy of WCCW is about to be laid to rest for good.
• The stagnation of the major two players has left a gap in the industry for the cutting edge attitude that does not rely on overly-muscular performers. In this climate, a new breed of promotion has begun to emerge. Todd Gordon’s Eastern Championship Wrestling is already causing waves with its edgy content, rabid fans and vengeful head booker. Also Eastern Championship Wrestling Association has produced one of the finest crops of young, talented performers in a generation.
• In stark opposition to North America, it seems that Japan and Mexico are experiencing something of a renaissance in pro wrestling. Both AJPW and NJPW have the most talented rosters in the world, with fledgling FMW and M-Pro sure to contribute to the future of Japanese wrestling.
• CMLL, the oldest professional wrestling company in the world is struggling as the newly formed AAA promotion has stolen most of its top talent and has the edginess to finally kill of the Mexican Behemoth, although the fight is clearly far from won.
• In Canada the irrepressible Scott D’Amore has opened his own wrestling promotion in Ontario. BCW is a traditional company that is training the next generation of Canadian superstars.

[thegodcomplex]

I came here to try and see if there was any early 90's scenarios, preferable 1990-1993, and lo and behold I come across the beta thread and after reading that this actual full game thread. Just wanted to thank you for taking the time and the energy to do this.

TGC

[Mattyc]

Thank you so much TCP1 for your work on this scenario. Time to start a game as FMW I think :D

[tarheels4life]

do I need Winrar for this, cause I download the data file and I can't open it or move it anywhere.

[TCP1]

Yup it is winrar im afraid.

[People's Champ]

You forgot to add Sean Waltman in this mod.

[TCP1]

He is in now.

Sorry to those who have already downloaded it, the version + Sean Waltman is now up.

Any thoughts or opinions?

[thegodcomplex]

He is in now.

Sorry to those who have already downloaded it, the version + Sean Waltman is now up.

Any thoughts or opinions?

Thanks.

WCW's shows are wrong. Both Saturday Night and World Wide were on TBS not TNT. Furthermore I THINK that SN was on Saturday's at 6est/5cst and WW was on Sunday at I believe 6est/5cst at this time.

TGC

[TCP1]

Will be fixed for next update.

[CW Saton]

Cool name. :)

CW

[MrCanada]

thanks so much for this.

[The Stallion]

Yup it is winrar im afraid.
is there any way for you to make this available in other formats other than winrar. It seems that I have to pay to download this software and I really dont want to. By the way thanks for this.

Edit- Never mind. I found a place to download for free.

[TCP1]

http://www.rarlab.com/download.htm

Use the trial, you only need to open it up and then Roberts your fathers brother.

[The Stallion]

Hey, where is the NWA titles. AKA World and Tag Team Titles. I thought in 93 the NWA title was being defended in ECW. Remember Shane Douglas throwing down the title and crowning himself the ECW heavyweight champion. I could have sworn that that was the case in the early 90's. By the way, the senario looks great.

[Jaded]

Very impressed, beta was already really good and the full release is awesome :)

[TCP1]

Stallion I believe Eastern championship Wrestling gained the rights to a tournement to crown a new NWA champion in mid 1994, Douglas won the tourney, he was already ECW world champ at this point, and then denounced the title and renamed Eastern= Extreme.

The NWA World Tag Team Titles became WCW tag team titles and were not used again until after 1993.

[The Stallion]

Stallion I believe Eastern championship Wrestling gained the rights to a tournement to crown a new NWA champion in mid 1994, Douglas won the tourney, he was already ECW world champ at this point, and then denounced the title and renamed Eastern= Extreme.

The NWA World Tag Team Titles became WCW tag team titles and were not used again until after 1993.
Thanks for the info. I just watched the rise and fall of ECW too. Just goes to show that, like my wife says, I have a selective memory.

[Ping von Erich]

*glee*

[TCP1]

lol, glad you like it Ping.

And stallion, I too suffer from selective memory, I used to think Hogan was the greatest technical wrestler alive. :)

Well I at last am going to sit down and actually play TEW for the first time, quite the martquee moment for a mod-maker. Wish me luck, ECW will never be the same again!

[Midnightnick]

One minor suggestion: The Rock N' Roll Express should have Maximum experience as a team.

[TCP1]

Amended RnREx and have added Waltman relationships.

Right, now definately gonna play.

[TCP1]

ATTENTION T.E.G.E players, there was a huge oversight on my part and certain wrestlers (Mainly in WWF) have no power and/or no strong style.

All have now been amended and the new data download is up. Come and get it before I remember something else that I've done wrong. :(

[The Stallion]

Thanks for fixing that. Did not even notice it yet. Then again I havent started playing yet, I was just looking it over. Enjoy your time playing and thank you so much. I always wanted to get into DOTT, but I just did not know enouph to really get involved. This is perfect. Thank you so much bro, you rule.

[Beejus]

I've been looking it over for awhile now, and (aside from adding a few teams that I felt should have some representation) this looks really damn good. I kinda would rather have seen June or July, just to get the full Blondes experience, but this'll still be great. Can't wait to get into playing as WCW and push some people over the top who REALLY deserved it.

[TCP1]

I understand the desire for the blondes, but hey, reform them and push them to the moon as they truly deserve.

Just about to have my first show Heatwave 93. 8-man tourney for heavyweight title, go on the Douglas!

[tarheels4life]

I love you for creating this. I had WWF fall down to cult in my game then they fired their head booker so I took over. I just got back to International at Wrestlemania in 94 and the main event was Bret v. Ultimate Warrior (hey we were in need of some stars) and I'm probably going to resign soon to see how they do on their own now. Once again, thank you for taking your time to make this because it is now my new favorite scenario.

[Beejus]

I've figured it all out. The Blondes hadn't officially lost the titles until August 18th. So even though Roma and Anderson were trotting around with the belts in the tapings, they didn't have them.

Yay.

[TCP1]

Just finished my first show and got a C-, which for small-ECW is really encouraging.
World Champ - Shane Douglas
TV Champ - 911
Tag Champs - The Pitbulls

[MrCanada]

Do a diary TCP!

[Ryzen]

Hey, love the scenario. I just had one question. Is there any way Tom "Dynamite Kid" Billington might make it into an update? I think he was still active in '93, just not anywhere near what he used to be. If not, hey, that's cool. Thanks TCP1, great job. ;)

[Beejus]

A few WCW thoughts:

Tex Slazenger is listed as a face. He should be a heel.
As I mentioned, unless you count them winning the titles at the tapings, then the Blondes should still be Tag champions. Also, by that logic, Paul Orndorff is still Television champion.
Announcers are wrong for events. It should be Tony Schiavone and Jesse Ventura. Even in WWF, I *think* it should be Jim Ross, Bobby Heenan, and Randy Savage. That was Mania in 93, anyways.
Paul Orndorff seems INSANELY over. Not that it's a bad thing, mind you, but should he really be nearing the main event?
Nick Patrick is not in the database.
I'm not sure if Mike Tenay was in WCW at that time, but I could be wrong, so I'll file it and see if someone corrects me.
I don't know if Ted Turner ever appeared outside of very random appearances, so perhaps he should be under backstage worker instead of authority figure?

If I run across any more, I'll let you know.

Oh, and if you would like more teams, here are ones that I added. I know there are plenty more that could be in as well, but these are just the ones that I thought of while I was at it.
Arn Anderson and Tully Blanchard - The Brainbusters. Inactive, Good.
Arn Anderson and Bobby Eaton. Inactive, Good, 1992.
Arn Anderson and Larry Zbyszko - The Enforcers. Inactive, Good, 1991.
Barry Windham and Dustin Rhodes. Inactive, Medium, 1992.
Blackjack Mulligan and Jack Lanza - The Blackjacks. Inactive, Good.
Bret Hart and Jim Neidhart - The Hart Foundation. Inactive, Maximum, 1986.
Brian Pillman and Barry Windham. Inactive, Low, 1992. (Teamed briefly after both turned heel.)
Butch Reed and The Barbarian. Inactive, Low, 1992. (Teamed briefly around Halloween Havoc.)
Curt Hennig and Scott Hall. Inactive, Low.
Dan Spivey and The Undertaker - The Skyscrapers II. Inactive, Medium.
Dustin Rhodes and Ricky Steamboat. Inactive, Medium.
Dustin Rhodes and Dusty Rhodes - The Rhodes Family. Inactive, Good.
Ric Flair and Arn Anderson - The Four Horsemen. Semi-Active, Good.
Greg Valentine and Ed Leslie - The Dream Team. Inactive, Good.
Greg Valentine and Honky Tonk Man - Rhythym 'n Blues. Inactive, Good.
Hercules Hernandez and Paul Roma - Power and Glory. Inactive, Medium.
Hulk Hogan and Ed Leslie - The MegaManiacs. Inactive, Medium, 1989.
Jack Brisco and Gerald Brisco - The Brisco Brothers. Inactive, Maximum.
Jacques Rougeau Jr. and Raymond Rougeau - The Fabulous Rougeau Brothers. Inactive, Maximum.
Jerry Lynn and Sean Waltman - Lynn and The Kid. Inactive, Good.
Jim Powers and Paul Roma - The Young Stallions. Inactive, Medium.
Kevin Sullivan and Mike Rotundo - The Varsity Club II. Inactive, Medium.
Mike Rotundo and Rick Steiner - The Varsity Club. Inactive, Good.
Kevin Sullivan and Rick Steiner - The Varsity Club III. Inactive, Low.
Mike Rotundo and Steve Williams - The Varsity Club IV. Inactive, Medium.
Kevin Sullivan and Steve Williams - The Varsity Club V. Inactive, Low.
Ray Traylor and One Man Gang - Twin Towers. Inactive, Good.
Ric Flair and Curt Hennig. Inactive, Medium.
Ric Flair and Sting. Inactive, Low.
Rick Martel and Tom Zenk - The Can-Am Connection. Inactive, Medium.
Rick Rude and Steve Austin. Inactive, Medium, 1992.
Ricky Steamboat and Shane Douglas. Inactive, Medium, 1992.
Scott Hall and Kevin Nash - The Diamond Exchange. Inactive, Medium. (I may have this one wrong, if so then please let me know.)
Sid Vicious and Dan Spivey - The Skyscrapers. Inactive, Good.
Sid Vicious and Vader - The Masters of the Powerbomb. Semi-Active, Medium, 1993.
Sting and Davey Boy Smith - Allied Powers. Semi-Active, Medium, 1993.
Sting and Lex Luger. Inactive, Good.
Terry Funk and Dory Funk Jr. - The Funks. Inactive, Maximum.
The Barbarian and The Warlord - Powers of Pain. Inactive, Maximum.
Uliuli Fifita and The Barbarian - Haku and Barbarian. Inactive, Medium.

[Deadman36g]

Scott Hall and Kevin Nash - The Diamond Exchange. Inactive, Medium. (I may have this one wrong, if so then please let me know.)


Pretty certain the Diamond Exchange were Scott Hall and DDP

[Grimmas]

Everything looks really good..... wish I could play it but I have to finish my scenario off. If I knew you were doing this I would had never started doing mine, hehe.

Oh, I"m taking a few pictures for mine. Full credit will be given.

[Hank C]

Looks good, I'm going to download it and play it in a few. I have one major complaint though. All Japan should never be considered a Sports Entertainment fed. Especially in 93 when they were all about 60 minute classics. I have some Tv from that era and while there are segments (mainly press conferences and the wrestlers training for matches) there's no way that the fans based their approval on anything other than the wrestling matches themselves. Whereas in a Sports Entertainment fed - the fans don't care about the wrestling much. I'd lean towards making them a Pure fed myself.

[Grimmas]

Looks good, I'm going to download it and play it in a few. I have one major complaint though. All Japan should never be considered a Sports Entertainment fed. Especially in 93 when they were all about 60 minute classics. I have some Tv from that era and while there are segments (mainly press conferences and the wrestlers training for matches) there's no way that the fans based their approval on anything other than the wrestling matches themselves. Whereas in a Sports Entertainment fed - the fans don't care about the wrestling much. I'd lean towards making them a Pure fed myself.

Yeah, AJPW was a pure fed forever until maybe the last year or so

[sabu_420]

Im having trouble with this, I've DL'd the data 3 times and each time I get an unexpected end of archive message and Im missing files

[Lukiep8]

Looks good, I'm going to download it and play it in a few. I have one major complaint though. All Japan should never be considered a Sports Entertainment fed. Especially in 93 when they were all about 60 minute classics. I have some Tv from that era and while there are segments (mainly press conferences and the wrestlers training for matches) there's no way that the fans based their approval on anything other than the wrestling matches themselves. Whereas in a Sports Entertainment fed - the fans don't care about the wrestling much. I'd lean towards making them a Pure fed myself.

Yeah... That hit me like a lead ball seeing it as a Sports-Entertainment fed. All Japan, especially at this point in time, was all about the in-ring product. The early-mid, and even late 90's, All Japan was the purest wrestling promotion in the world, outside the worked-shoot promotions (UWF-i, RINGS, Fujiwara-gumi)

[TAFKA cjt4ever]

I'm sorry to sound like the dweeb. But when I click the link it says your out of bandwith.

:(

[wooodaddy]

I'm getting the same bandwidth error, is this a common problem, please let me know. Thanks

[TCP1]

Will remedy all above when I get home from work.

[TAFKA cjt4ever]

Thanks, I can't wait.

[wooodaddy]

cool, cause I'm at work too and really can't do anything until tonight anyway, but I'm stoked about it.

[mattitudev1]

great work mate, glad i could help by hosting the files, brilliant job man :)

[TCP1]

Thanks for the support you guys.

Mattitude, I need to send you updated file folder later if thats ok?

[TCP1]

OK thanks to Mattitude all files are back up except Data, which hopefully will be up in a couple of hours.

[eric9003]

great work...cant wait to play it!

i was watching Hogan Knows Best the other night (not sure if i should be parading that around, but oh well) and one more relationship that u could maybe add is Brian Knobbs and Hulk Hogan either as friends or best friends...Knobbs was always over at Hogans house, so im guessing that they were probably friends for a good long while

[redshadow100]

Good looking mod, can't wait.

[xCMPUNKFANx]

you didnt post the data just the pics and screens

[Beejus]

Scott Hall and Kevin Nash - The Diamond Exchange. Inactive, Medium. (I may have this one wrong, if so then please let me know.)


Pretty certain the Diamond Exchange were Scott Hall and DDP

Yeah, I had that screwed up somehow.

Hall and Page were the Diamond Exchange, Nash and Page were (I believe) The Vegas Exchange. Either Exchange or Connection, I don't quite remember. I'd have to go watch my COTC and find it.

[TCP1]

CMPUNK, the data will be up soon, as a mentioned earlier there is a problem with the stupid-ass site I was using, so I've gone back to pestering Mattitude, he's my hero.

Again thanks buddy.

-Have added all above tag teams mentioned as well as Nick Patrick.
-AJPW is now a pure fed.
-The Hollywood Blondes are now WCW tag champs.
-Orndorff overness brought into line and he is TV champ.
-Added Bobby Clancy to BCW.
-Modified The Road warriors (Both can now successfully have power and paint gimmick + Animal now available to hire).
-Sabu's acting has increased to open a variety of gimmicks to him (Psycho, Show Stealer etc).

I need more suggestions on how to improve it, lists of tag teams missing, anymore relationships missing? Any new wrestlers to be included?

[MrCanada]

I find alot of guys (just from my experiance, Lance Storm, RVD, Sabu) dont have enough stamina and going 15 minutes is to much. And although the 60 minute matches wernt that common back then I think people like RVD and Storm (especially young) should be able to go at least 30 minutes.

[ahw26]

this is an awesome mod im currently playing as BCW and signed young Lesnar, Batista, Chavo as well as Hulk Hogan but the bastard is jumping ship and going to japan so im holding a show in his honour where he jobs to everyone on the roster in 5 minutes while they are all kept strong and dominate the match while Hogan is buried and loses by submission
edit: also changed his gimmick to gender bender :D

[Deadman36g]

Nash and Page were also the short lived Insiders but that wasnt till much later

[TCP1]

Apologies for no update or data yet. It's in the pipeline and should be done soon-ish.

Following on from another thread, do you guys as T.E.G.E players, want me to remove the wrestlers who had not debuted in 93?

[Sartagis]

Wasn't the reason for the name change because it became more of a best of the 90's ala D.O.T.T is for 80's? So haveing these guys in fits with what the mod is aiming at (unless I read posts wrong and you are going for a completely accurate 1993).

I say leave them in, maybe in the wrestler info box put their debut date. So if people don't want them they can delete them, or import them into another database for storage themselves. Saves you from making several databases for debuting wrestlers but allows those that don't want them to get rid of them.

How many guys are there in the mod that hadn't debuted yet? Can't be all that many.

[TCP1]

Off the top of my head, I'd say 65 tops, so 10%.

But the problem is if I do delete them then you lose a good chunk of well known wrestlers.

If I keep them you might have ECW World Champ Brock Lesnar at age 16!

The mod certainly is a D.O.T.T wannabe, hopefully one day it will be as good. Still needs a lot of work regarding angles and storylines!

D. Boon is the man! I wish I was him. :)

[The Stallion]

Question for you. Are you planning on including Other TV shows in future updates. Just curious because if you are I just might wait to play because it seems that with no compitition things can be a little easy.

[TCP1]

There are other tv shows. laudm made it for the update.

[Jaded]

Leave them in, who hasn't planned to build to an epic Batista/Brock/Mabel/Yoko 4-way?! :)

[TCP1]

FINALLY... the Data has been uploaded, come get it while its hot!

Comments, errors etc to be posted below.

[jadams1169]

Overall a good job!

A few suggestions:

Setting starting moe for more of the workers might be a good idea. I would hate to start a game with a big time worker like Bret Hart or someone like that with an F in gimmick moe.

Next maybe rework your rating system a bit in terms of both stamina but more importantly mat wrestling and all those ratings. I think those ratings need to be at least decent in order for a worker to be able to even "stay on his feet" in the ring.

Add more stables.

Leave in the younger workers. Let people develop them into big stars or just let them rot in free agency.

Add more networks, PPV carriers, TV shows, etc.

Minor adjusting to worker overness levels. For example I believe that Vince McMahon is only like 25% over which certainly is too low. But that is a minor issue.

Look forward to the next update!

[ahw26]

For example I believe that Vince McMahon is only like 25% over which certainly is too low.
how is it too low? in 93 vince was only a babyface announcer and the crowds couldn't really give a sh!t about him
by the way great work TCP :D

[xCMPUNKFANx]

The pic links dont work

[TCP1]

Thanks for the feedback jadams1169.

'Setting starting moe for more of the workers might be a good idea.'

What is moe? Is it momentum an gimmick?
If so all appropriate ratings were given to top-level stars. For instance Bret Hart B+ gimmick, and D for momentum, which I believe is accurate. But will look into smaller stars to.

'maybe rework your rating system a bit in terms of both stamina but more importantly mat wrestling and all those ratings. I think those ratings need to be at least decent in order for a worker to be able to even "stay on his feet" in the ring.'

I completely disagree with this I'm afraid. If you take 0 to be what the average person has and then work upwards, I think the stats are resonable. I know certain wrestlers can't last too long in a match, but the fact is many of them cant. Although I will of course have a looksie for you.

'Add more stables.'

I agree with you here, it is lacking in stables, but fact is I can't find many details of stables around at the time. If anyone knows of any, please list them and they will be added, bearing in mind tag teams + manager does not count as a stable!

'Leave in the younger workers. Let people develop them into big stars or just let them rot in free agency.'

Will do.

'Add more networks, PPV carriers, TV shows, etc.'

Sounds good, which ones in particular are missing? I don't want too many, otherwise it would be too easy. :)

'Minor adjusting to worker overness levels. For example I believe that Vince McMahon is only like 25% over which certainly is too low. But that is a minor issue.'

Again, the overness' were set to represent the incredibly poor shape the US industry was in at the time. If WWF only have 70% overness, it seems unreasonable that many superstars would be 70% over. Therefore they are ranked downward accordingly. Remember overness is not just how well they are known, it is how popular/hated they are by the fans. So, Undertaker both well known and incredibly popular within the current state of the business = 80% (roughly) overness.

Great feedback though, keep it coming guys, I need a broard spectrum of opinions.

[cappyboy]

Hey man, was just looking over the data and you seem to be awfully generous to some of the modern stars who were mere prospects back in 93. Guys like Lance Storm and Sean Morley, while clearly talented performers in 2005, should not be the equals of long time veterans like Austin Idol and The Honky Tonk Man when the scenario opens. The potential to get to such heights should be. But that potential should require building.

[TCP1]

I'll look into it man, but you need to remember Lance Storm has trained by the Harts and had been around for about 3 years already, including the tough Japanese schedules!

Will definately sort out Morley though!

[Beejus]

Here are a bunch of relationships to add. I'm not totally sure on all of them, but they add to it pretty well anyways.

Bobby Eaton strong friendship with Jim Cornette
Bobby Eaton strong friendship with Ricky Morton
Bobby Eaton strong friendship with Robert Gibson
Bobby Eaton strong friendship with Stan Lane
Brian Pillman strong friendship with Bret Hart
Brian Pillman strong friendship with Owen Hart
Brian Pillman strong friendship with Mick Foley
Steve Austin protege of Chris Adams
Chris Benoit strong friendship with Bret Hart
Chris Benoit strong friendship with Owen Hart
Chris Benoit protege of Stu Hart
Adam Copeland strong friendship with Rhino
Adam Copeland strong friendship with Joe E. Legend
Christian strong friendship with Rhino
Christian strong friendship with Joe E. Legend
Diamond Dallas Page strong friendship with Mick Foley
Diamond Dallas Page strong friendship with Kevin Nash
Diamond Dallas Page strong friendship with Scott Hall
Diamond Dallas Page strong friendship with Steve Austin
Diamond Dallas Page best friends with Eric Bischoff
Diamond Dallas Page protege of Jake Roberts
Dusty Rhodes strong dislike with Ric Flair
Dusty Rhodes blood relative (I guess that works for in-laws) with Fred Ottman
Dustin Rhodes blood relative with Fred Ottman
Hulk Hogan best friends with Ed Leslie
Eric Bischoff strong friendship with Mick Foley (not exactly sure how STRONG it was getting by 93...)
Bill Watts has strong dislike with Eric Bischoff
Jim Ross has strong dislike with Eric Bischoff
Bill Watts blood relative of Eric Watts
John Tenta best friends with Fred Ottman
Headhunter A blood relative of Headhunter B
Hulk Hogan strong friendship with John Tenta
Hulk Hogan strong friendship with Brian Knobbs
Hulk Hogan strong friendship with Jerry Saggs
Hulk Hogan strong friendship with Ray Traylor
Hulk Hogan strong friendship with Honky Tonk Man
Jacques Rougeau Jr best friends with Pierre Oulette
Bill Watts strong dislike with Jake Roberts
Mick Foley strong friendship with Sting
Jesse Ventura strong dislike with Hulk Hogan
Jesse Ventura strong friendship with Randy Savage
Jesse Ventura strong friendship with Rick Rude
Jim Ross strong friendship with Mick Foley (don't remember if you had that one or I added it)
Jim Cornette strong friendship with Jimmy Del Ray
Jim Cornette strong friendship with Tom Pritchard
Jim Cornette strong friendship with Stan Lane
Jim Cornette strong friendship with Ricky Morton
Jim Cornette strong friendship with Robert Gibson
Kimberly Page (which is a typo in-game, it's spelled as "Kimberley") married to Diamond Dallas Page
Lex Luger strong friendship with Sting
Lex Luger strong dislike with Ric Flair
Lex Luger strong friendship with Dusty Rhodes
Lizmark blood relative of Lizmark Jr.
Mick Foley strong friendship with Too Cold Scorpio
Mick Foley strong friendship with Steven Regal
Mick Foley strong friendship with Bobby Eaton
Mick Foley strong friendship with Stan Lane
Mick Foley strong friendship with Jim Cornette
Mick Foley strong friendship with Stan Hansen
Mick Foley strong friendship with Paul Heyman
Mick Foley strong dislike with Ric Flair
Ole Anderson strong dislike with Ric Flair
Pat Tanaka strong friendship with Paul Diamond
Raven strong friendship with Diamond Dallas Page
Raven protege of Jake Roberts
Ric Flair strong friendship with Ricky Steamboat
Rick Martel hates Tom Zenk
Vince McMahon blood relative of Shane McMahon
Tully Blanchard strong friendship with Arn Anderson
Tully Blanchard strong friendship with Ric Flair
Tully Blanchard strong dislike of Barry Windham
Tully Blanchard strong dislike of Lex Luger
Tully Blanchard strong dislike of Sid Vicious
Tully Blanchard strong dislike of Paul Roma

And I think you have Bret and Shawn hating one another, which I don't think would be in 1993. Not too sure about Brian Adams and Bryan Clarke, too, but they may have run across one another before Kronik.

Would the Headbangers be together yet? I don't remember when they were supposedly first teaming.

Alright, that's all I got for now.

[sabu_420]

First off, great work on this, but New Jack and Sabu both need their personality and attitudes changed from normal. And Shane Douglas needs his performance stats fixed (hes weak heel, face, and for all gimmick types)

[cappyboy]

Well, I mentioned Storm based solely on your description. I don't know everyone's history quite that tightly. So I guess something close to what you have for him could be reasonable. Basic point of rookies appearing to get too much credit too soon still remains.

[BlizzardVeers]

"Hulk Hogan blood relative of Mike Awesome"

This is not true. Horace Hogan is related to Mike Awesome, but Terry isn't related to Mike. I've heard this rumor before, and it's been said that it's not true.

Also, in 93' Mick Foley would have disliked Ric Flair I'm pretty certain. That was during the time that Ric was running the shots behind the scenes, haven't played the newly updated version of the mod yet - so don't know if that is in there. Ric told Mick that he'd never amount to anything.

"Chris Benoit protege of Bret Hart"

I'm also not so sure if -this- is true. I'd say Benoit is more the protege of Dynamite Kid, Tom Billington - who wasn't in the scenerio last I checked, and Stu Hart. But, eh.

I also have to mention that this scenerio is simply amazing work. Like the 1983 scenerio, the 1993 scenerio is easily one of the best I've played for TEW. Mostly because I'm a sucker for this particular time period.

[MrCanada]

Hey man, was just looking over the data and you seem to be awfully generous to some of the modern stars who were mere prospects back in 93. Guys like Lance Storm and Sean Morley, while clearly talented performers in 2005, should not be the equals of long time veterans like Austin Idol and The Honky Tonk Man when the scenario opens. The potential to get to such heights should be. But that potential should require building.

I have the exact opposite view in that alot of people (epecially in pre-internet days) are arrogant to how good some guys were. Lance Storm was money out of the Dungeon, and the only reason most people didnt know is because the internet wasnt around to boast about him. Look at today, people who are 22 and younger are rated higher then top stars (rightfully and wrongfully) because they are exposed more. I've seen alot of Canadian stuff from early (maybe more 95 then 93) from Storm, Jericho, and such, and I'd almost argue they are better then they were in 2005 (when they were past their primes.

[TCP1]

Will do relationships tonight, awesome man, keep them coming.

Is Hogan really related to Awesome in the mod? I don't even remember doing that, weird!

Will amend Benoit, Mick Foley, Ric Flair etc. Nice catch there.

Douglas, New Jack and Sabu will be amended, no wonder my ECW game is going so badly. :)

I agree with MrCanada, regarding high stats for certain young wrestlers, at the time pretty much everyone coimng out of the dungeon was simply gifted with technical ability. Although perhaps lacking in entertainment skills.

Saw Bret Hart DVD last night, he comes across as a bit whiney, might change his stats up a bit though, perhpas increased technical ability and 'Driven' as personality.

[Beejus]

No, the ones he posted about were from my list. Glad to have people about to check my list :)

[TCP1]

I see, whoops, showed that I didn't read it thoroughly :)

[TCP1]

Links should work now. All of them!

[cappyboy]

I have the exact opposite view in that alot of people (epecially in pre-internet days) are arrogant to how good some guys were. Lance Storm was money out of the Dungeon, and the only reason most people didnt know is because the internet wasnt around to boast about him. Look at today, people who are 22 and younger are rated higher then top stars (rightfully and wrongfully) because they are exposed more. I've seen alot of Canadian stuff from early (maybe more 95 then 93) from Storm, Jericho, and such, and I'd almost argue they are better then they were in 2005 (when they were past their primes.

And once again we have the Internet fueling over-simplication.. Not that I don't see where you're coming from to a degree. The old Billy Joel - Keeping The Faith kinda deal. "The good old days weren't always good and tomorrow's not as bad as it seems."

I'm not suggesting everybody that's under 25 be stripped down to E's and F's across the board. And the Lance Storm case I'm willing to concede because the mitigating factor of his Japan experience wasn't mentioned in the file. But I'd say your point really works both ways. Were young guys somewhat underestimated pre-Internet? Sure. It's the nature of the beast for the old to underestimate the young. Especially when information on the young is limited.

But at the same time, you can't tell me Internet assessments are calm, measured and unbiased. At times, it seems like every time I read wrestling boards there's some new cruiserweight being made the figurative second coming of El Santo or a new ground pounder being held up to the legendary status of a Bruiser Brody. From way too little insight pre-Net to an embarassment of riches today. The historical happy medium on this issue probably rests somewhere around 1998.

[Fleisch]

I have been waiting for the full version of the 93 scenario and just gotta say this is fantastic. Finally I may be able to enjoy playing TEW again.

[darkfire423]

Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling was and is the greatest Garabage wrestling company ever.......even in 93 (Before the Boom) they were doing death style matchs......so you might want to update that

[gonvick]

Well, I've had a brief look over the data and it shows promise. The stats weren't as inflated as I was expecting, so that was nice. There were several areas where I disagreed with the stats you used, but that probably just comes down to a difference in perception of the workers invilved. The main issue I had was with the strong style stat. I din't know why, but it seems that every mod creater thinks that the majority of US wretlers are at least average in strong style when most of them never use that style at all. For example, Lex Luger should not have a C in strong style. Nothing he did resembled realistic strikes and submissions. And Mable with a C- strikes me as a might ridiculous. Unless there was a portion of their careers that I'm not aware of where they worked a completley different style and never used it again, I don't see why they, or most others, have such high strong style stats. I did really like what you did with the popularity though.

I hope you keep working on this. Especially creating some era specific storylines, as that would make it worth while to me to edit the data to my liking and start a game.

[Fleisch]

Few mistakes (nothing major) I've noticed.

Super J pic set for Jeff Farmer (Lightning in WCW) is actually Ice who wrestles in England.
Thunder pic set for Thunder in WCW is in fact the Peurto Rican who wrestles today and I don't think he was the same one in WCW.
A problem I notice in alot of stat updates is Antonio Inoki's nationality. He is actually Brazilian, not Japanese and so should be set as other for nationality.

Pretty much superficial stuff that is easily changed myself (and has been) but just for future releases you may want to fix them. I'm really enjoying it though right now so thanks again.

[Midnightnick]

Minor mistake I think.

You have Gedo listed as working in the U.S but not Jado. Either have both in U.S or both in Japan only. Hard to have one but not the other if you want them to team. And Rock N' Roll Express is still listed as Good Experience when it should be Max.

[Beejus]

Another person to be added would be Robert Fuller. Colonel Parker was all over WCW in 93, he jumped from Sid to Harlem Heat to Austin.

Also, the United States title should be Vacant. Dustin had won it, but they held it up because of a goofy finish in a match with Rick Rude. Dustin won it back, but not until September 30th.

[cappyboy]

Thunder pic set for Thunder in WCW is in fact the Peurto Rican who wrestles today and I don't think he was the same one in WCW.

Definitely not. Both guys were white and the first time I saw them in a mag would have been in 92 when they were doing the indy thing prior to signing with WCW. In that photo, they were both wearing blue superhero type suits like someone was trying to knock off Superman's tights by lightening them. I want to say Thunder ended up as the jobber Lorenzo or some other opener of the era. While Lightning (Farmer) of course had the Cobra and NWO Sting runs. Thunder was a bit broader a physique than Farmer in any event.

[TCP1]

LOL well spotted, I actually knew they were the wrong pictures, but I couldn't find any colour pics of Thunder and lightning, so I put those in instead. If anyone knows where I can get a colour pic from that would be great.

Thanks for the compliments and errors fleisch, will be amended by next release!

Midnight Nick, I knew there was something I forgot, and good catch on noticing Jado and Gedo.

Beejus Col. Parker will be in for next update!

Gonvick, the problem I had with strong style is i actually originally entered 0 for all US workers and so had to rush through amending it so I could play, and as such may have overcompensated! :)

darkfire423, I will of course amend FMW, I don't actually know much about Japanese wrestling outside Super J Cups 94/95 and Tiger Mask vs Dynamite Kid or Bret hart. If there is anything else amiss let me know.

I have to say it's so gratifying to have such positive feedback, kind validates the hours of work I put in, and with any luck in a few months it might rival DOTT.

In an interesting sidenote just autoclicked through 12 years of business and this is what I found:

Stu Hart died, Bret jumped to WCW and has been forced to retire through injury.
Austin didn't make it as a megastar. HBK is a WWF opener with flying skills F. Main Event of wrestlemaina XX was Jacques Rougeau vs MARTY 'Fooking' Jannetty. Your 27 time WCW TV champ OLE ANDERSON.

Top 5 Most Over Workers in the World, in order:
5) Hulk Hogan (at FMW)
4) Ric Flair (WCW)
3) Chris Jericho (SMW, BCW, NJPW, FMW)
2) Davey Boy Smith (WCW)
and no.1, WAIT FOR IT....

THE SHOCKMASTER!

BEST... WRESTLER... EVER!

[TCP1]

Anyone got a decent pic of Col Parker?

[Beejus]

http://www.freewebs.com/beejus/Robert%20Fuller.jpg

How's that one?

[Midnightnick]

I only noticed Jado and Gedo when I was choosing teams for my Super Tag Cup 96'. If anyone wants to know, The Thrillseekers of Lance Storm and Chris Jericho barely beat the Unstoppable team of Rock N' Rap Express of Ricky Morton and New Jack. And the most over worker in my game is Rick Steiner. The man has held the SMW Title 18 Times, GWF 4 Times and WWF 8 Times.

[Midnightnick]

I know you took out WAR due to lack of knowledge of it, but I think you should re-add it. Just to balance out the Ratio of Japan:US Promotions. Also, All Japan's Women Pro Wrestling if you add Joshi.

[BlizzardVeers]

I don't know if this is just me, but alot of the weights in this game seem off. Luther Reigns "Horshu" is a Lightweight? But Benoit is a middleweight? I was under the impression that Middleweights were generally over 220lbs and were guys like The Rock, Triple H, and Steve Austin? Mark Henry a Super Heavyweight? I can go with that, but I'd be more for him being a Large Heavyweight.

Wonder if anyone else has thought the weights seem drastically off? I've already changed all the ones I caught in my game, and would be more then willing to go over what I changed and why - but if no one else feels the same way, then this is sort of pointless.

[jadams1169]

...with any luck in a few months it might rival DOTT.

Never going to happen.


Stu Hart died, Bret jumped to WCW and has been forced to retire through injury.

Distrubing!


Austin didn't make it as a megastar. HBK is a WWF opener with flying skills F. Main Event of wrestlemaina XX was Jacques Rougeau vs MARTY 'Fooking' Jannetty. Your 27 time WCW TV champ OLE ANDERSON.

Top 5 Most Over Workers in the World, in order:
5) Hulk Hogan (at FMW)
4) Ric Flair (WCW)
3) Chris Jericho (SMW, BCW, NJPW, FMW)
2) Davey Boy Smith (WCW)
and no.1, WAIT FOR IT....

THE SHOCKMASTER!

BEST... WRESTLER... EVER!
Looks like your rating system needs some work if these are the kind of results you are getting.

[tarheels4life]

I'm in 1996 in me just looking at the world. WWF rose to global on the last day of 95 and now they've re-signed Bret Hart, Kevin Nash, and Yokozuna after they fired them to cut back on costs. They got a show on ABC and now they're flying up in popularity. I took over booker for them for like a month and signed Owen, attempting to give him a small push so they wouldn't let him go, but nothing happened and they fired him within a week after I left. Owen is now a mega-star in Japan and has A overness in each location in Japan. AJPW signed him to a written deal and he won the title from Hulk Hogan. Benoit is a huge star in Japan too, he's got A in each locaiton and he is a main eventer for NJPW. He has all D's in America and never got much of a chance to break out there. Jericho is pretty big in Mexico with all B's for CMLL. Barry Windam took the gold from Flair in WCW and they're slowly building up to Global too. Yokozuna took the gold in WWF off of Bob Backlund who had a near year long reign. I booked for a small promotion (MLW) when it opened and signed Juvi and Brock who now are Loyal to me. I picked up Copeland, Christian, Helms, Shelton and basically big up and comers for the company. This looks like a great scenario man, good job.

[Chriswok]

AGES INCORRECT
brisco is 22
earl hebner is 41 his twin brother is 42 (unless one was born 23:59 and other 00:00 and my game started on the day one was born and other wasn't...)
Finkle is 20

[dbeanerz]

I'm having a blast as AJPW - I started drawing money/numbers with the aquisition of Hulk Hogan, who is in a feud with Stan Hansen, but put on the real wrestling with the likes of Kobashi, Misawa, Kawada and the such. Then I have Misterio Jr., Jericho, Owen Hart, Sabu and RVD on the undercard battling for the Lightweight title. Tag Division is rounding out with the Can-Am Express, and I'm trying to steal the Steiners! Having a blast, hoping to take this global.

[TracyBrooksFan]

liking this thanks for ur hard work in currently WCW bu tadded a few wrestlers so it 1993 with a twist.

[giantgonzales]

I love it, but where is Nailz?!

[MrTootles]

Never going to happen.


For those of us who were born in the 80s and don't identify with a lot of the workers, this scenario already rivals D.O.T.T. Don't dick on somebody else's work.

As for his "odd ratings," are you forgetting who has been pushed in the real world? Chris Masters, Yokozuna, hell, that one movie star who was champ in WCW...I don't find his top 5 that hard to fathom.

But then again, I love this scenario, so I'm probably bias.

[fieldsy]

Scenario looks awesome, kudos to you!

One question, when you update the data, correcting the (very) small gliches in the file stats wise, will it be compatible with a saved game? I basically dont want to spend the time starting a game just to have to restart it later.

Thanks again

[TCP1]

Your best bet is just to import into the saved game or edit as you go along. So read this thread, ignore the dickhead comments and just amend the details. The new update will be out on saturday!

I agree the top 5 isn't that hard to understand, in fact with the exception of Shockmaster, it seems very realistic. The reason Shockmaster gets so much stick is the horrendous trip and fall on debut. Judging by the buildup, he was being pushed straight into the main event!

While I'm on it, what exactly is your deal jadams? I have tried to accomodate different peoples views on the scenario to get a rounded gaming experience. Why exactly will mine not be as good as DOTT one day? Hmmm.

[Midnightnick]

DOTT originally started off just like this. Someone is wearing some rose-tinted glasses.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

For as much press as DOTT gets in this thread, you'd think this was a 1993 version of it.
Which it isn't.

Don't worry about comparing your data to anyone. Instead, try to get it the best you possibly can. None of us get a prize at the end of the day, so sweating the comparisons to a niche scenario is wasted energy.
And Don't kid yourself: anything not set in the modern times is a niche scenario. ;)

[TCP1]

Lol, nice!

Well you'll be pleased to know that all errors have been amended so far, and all those relationships have been added as well as stats reviewed and amended where necessary.

Now people it's the final drive before V1.3 comes out. So speak now or forever hold your peace. On saturday, I will making a huge push to add workers, teams, relationships and whatever else comes to mind. So any issues, problems or alternative ideas hit me with them in the next two days!

[Midnightnick]

Even though any angles haven't been added yet, but think you can add Douglas' toss down of the NWA Title in here? Storyline leading up to it, or just the angle of it. I'd be happy either way.

[robmcuk]

Just want to say thanks for making this - it has made me play TEW again.

Does anyone else know how I can solve a proplem i have , everytime i go to offer someone a contract over £32,750 the game gets a time tun error '6 overflow and closes?

thanks rob

[tarheels4life]

another update on my spectator thing. It just turned 1998 and Undertaker signed with WCW in January of 97 when WWF let his contract expire and he held the title for half the year, the other half was controlled by Ricky Steamboat. On the other hand, Steamboat and Taker were taking on Dustin Rhodes quite frequently and he got A overness in the US. He faced Dusty Rhodes actually in the main event of one of the ppv's and in November of 97 he left the WCW and signed with WWF. His debut match he took the WWF Title from Road Warrior Hawk. WWF let go of Bret Hart yet again. One of the small promotions I booked for early on signed Afa as the headbooker and they've become regional now. Paul Levesque is their champion with D overness in US. Steamboat is wrestler of the year and Flair is Veteran of the year. WCW held MOTY with Steamboat/Flair at Starrcade and Card Of The Year with Starrcade, but they're still at International. I love you for making this game. I haven't played any other scenario since I DL'd this one.

[Beejus]

Yeah, I got (another) few.

In Your House was non-existant in 93, and WCW only had four COTCs: January, June, August, and November.

Eric Bischoff and I'm thinking The Boss should be faces rather than heels.

Another person who can be added is The Equalizer, later known as Dave Sullivan. No one will probably ever use him, but he was around WCW at the time.

And we totally need a "Falls Through the Wall" angle so we can re-enact The Shockmaster's famed debut.

I love it, but where is Nailz?!
Nailz is Kevin Walchoz :)

[darkfire423]

FMW in 1993

Hayabusa was still wrestling as Eiji Ezaki (wasnt until he came back from Mexico in winter of 93-94 that he was working as Hayabusa

Garuda - wasnt wrestling.

FMW Roster in August of 1993
Masato Tanaka (Low Midcarder)
Koji Nakagawa (Low Midcarder)
Sambo Asako
The Great Sasuke
TAKA Michinoku
Super Delfin
Jinsei Shinzaki (Not wrestling as Ginsei Shinzaki)
Gran Naniwa
Ricky Fuji
Terry Funk
Mr. Gannosuke
The Gladiator (Mike Awesome)
Katsuji Ueda
Leon Spinks (yes the guy who boxed mike tyson)
The Sheik
Big Titan (Fake Razor Ramon WWE)
Mr Pogo

Plus women workers
Combat Toyoda
Shark Tsuchiya
Crusher Maedomari
Megumi Kudo
Miwa Sato
Yukie Nabeno


NJPW

Tiger Mask and Tiger Mask IV (Who wasnt wrestling at the time) shouldnt have been on the roster

Akira Nogami
Akitoshi Saito
Ashura Hara
Black Cat
Brian Knobs
Eddie Guerrero
El Samurai
Genichiro Tenryu
Great Kabuki
Haku
Hawk Warrior
Hiro Saito
Hiromichi Fuyuki
Hiroshi Hase
Jerry Saggs
Jushin Thunder Liger
Keiji Muto
Kengo Kimura
Koki Kitahara
Kuniaki Kobayashi
Masahiro Chono
Masashi Aoyagi
Michiyoshi Ohara
Nobukazu Hirai
Norio Honaga
Osamu Kido
Power Warrior
Satoshi Kojima
Shinjiro Otani
Shinya Hashimoto
Shiro Koshinaka
Super Strong Machine
Takashi Ishikawa
Takayuki Iizuka
Tatsumi Fujinami
Tatsutoshi Goto
The Barbarian
Tiger Mask (Koji Kanemoto)
Wild Pegasus (Chris Beniot)
Yoshiaki Fujiwara
Yoshiro Ito
Yuji Yasuraoka


i will work on M-pro and AJPW tomorrow

[TCP1]

Excellent work people. Darkfire especially, that is very useful: Although I'm pretty sure I left Tiger Mask as a free transfer, but could be wrong, will amend as per your advice.

Will add angles, storylines this weekend. It's going to be a big update, and possibly the last for a few weeks as the percentage of errors can only decrease to very minor things.

ANY SUGGESTIONS FOR NEW WORKERS?

Will add Dynamite Kid!

[CW Saton]

Does anyone else know how I can solve a proplem i have , everytime i go to offer someone a contract over £32,750 the game gets a time tun error '6 overflow and closes?

This was fixed in an patch a while back. You need to download the latest update, 1.4 I think it is. :)

CW

[thegodcomplex]

Is there any chance of getting a readme added to the files on the update so that I know exactly who and what to import into my game please?

Thanks.

TGC

[jgriff3029]

I think that the horsemen were faces in 93. Flair was a face from the time he re-entered WCW until Hogan came in 94. Unless my years are off, Flair was a huge babyface at Starrcade 93 in his match vs VADER.

[Beejus]

They were feuding with the Blondes, so since there are no tweeners anymore, I'd put them as faces.

Dennis Condrey (and possibly Randy Rose) could be added as well.

And a typo: in the Tex Slazenger and Shanghai Pierce team, it says "Slazenger and Piece".

[thegodcomplex]

Flair and AA were indeed faces. Also, DDP did not have his evil moneybags gimmick for another almost two years.

TGC

[jgriff3029]

Another thing is you might want to give the WCW International Title to Rick Rude. I know Rude didnt win the belt until mid September, but Flair never really did much with it after winning it from Barry Windham and the NWA name was dropped.

[falling_star]

Hey man, first off, I just wanted to say you did some great work with this file. I appreciate anyone who puts in time on TEW mods.

Next are some things I noticed... first off, Eddie Gilbert's popularity needs to be tweaked much higher. Mid-60's range at least I would think. Also, I believe he worked for GWF and ECW at this point, but I could be wrong.

Also, a LOT of people are set to perform 'Good' with every type of gimmick, like Steve Austin. That's just not true. :p Also, a LOT of people have 'Normal' set for their of Attitude and Personality, like Warrior. Also extremely untrue. :p

Not sure if those have been mentioned before, but I just wanted to point them out. Maybe I'm just a ****ty booker, but I also only lasted about a month as booker in WCW because one of my goals was that the promotion must not fall in size, but my workers' quality didn't seem to allow me to turn out high enough ratings to maintain.

[fieldsy]

really looking forward to the update so i can have a long session at it tonight!!!

Looks and sounds like a great mod!

[darkfire423]

AJPW
Abdullah the Butcher
Akira Taue
Chris Youngblood
Dan Kroffat
Doug Furnas
Giant Baba
Giant Kamala II
Haruka Eigen
Johnny Smith
Jun Akiyama
Kenta Kobashi
Kentaro Shiga
Kurt Beyer
Mark Youngblood
Masa Fuchi
Masao Inoue
Mighty Inoue
Mitsuharao Momota
Mitsuharu Misawa
Richard Slinger
Ricky Santana
Rusher Kimura
Ryukaku Izumida
Satoru Asako
Stan Hansen
Steve Williams
Takao Omori
Tamon Honda
Terry Gordy
The Eagle
Tom Zenk
Toshiaki Kawada
Tsuyoshi Kikuchi
Yoshinori Ogawa

M-pro

Asian Cougar (Not On the Roster)
Shoichi Funaki (Not On the Roster)

Ginsei Shinzaki (Change Name to Jinsei)
I would add Super Boy
Dick Togo was known as Sato in 93

Guys who worked shows in 93 (off and on so either PPA contracts or freelancers your call)

El Sagrado
Rocky Santanta
El Singo
El Rudo
Yone Genjin
Terry Boy
Sabu
Damien
Monkey Magic (Later Known as Hayate)
Gedo
Jado


Someone you might want to add is Bret Como - AKA Black Dragon of ECCW fame.........in 1994 he was the first man to so a Shooting star press from top of the turn buckle to the floor in Tokyo Dome.......
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New Promotions (JAPAN)
Wrestle Association "R" - Tradtional (It was around in 1993 maybe i can get a roster and you can add it)
Big Japan Pro-Wrestling - Garabage
Toryumon - Lucha Entertainment
World Entertainment Wrestling - Hybrid
Wrestling International New Generations - Garabage (It was around in 1993 maybe i can get a roster and you can add it but it ended in early 1994)
International Wrestling Associatoin Japan (IWA-Japan) - Hardcore/Garbage
I.W.A. Kokusai - Hardcore
Kaientai Dojo - Sports Enter.
Wrestling Marvelous of the Future - Hybrid
Fight of World-Japan - Hybrid
Riki Pro - Hybrid
Hustle - Sports Enter.
Pancrase - Pure


Okay All Japan was done of a couple house show results. so i am not 100 % sure they are 100 % Correct..... but really close as it was house shows in July August and even Step.

I will see if i can help you out in mexico and with japan free lance in the next few days.

[TCP1]

Awesome work darkfire.

I could really do with the WAR roster if you can get hold of it.

Sorry about delay folks, it could well be a few more hours yet before I even email it to mattitude, so you'll be updated as and when anything happens.

[Midnightnick]

I know for a fact Jado and Gedo were on the WAR Roster if that helps. Also Ultimo Dragon.

[The Franchise]

I was looking through Wikipedia and I found that Homicide debuted in 1993. Just thought I'd bring it to your attention TCP.

[giantgonzales]

Duke 'The Dumpster' Droese, please

[TCP1]

Cool, man Homicide must be old!

Both will be added. Going to keep updating for the next week. So keep throwing out suggestions until then. Could well have 700 workers by then.

[eric9003]

i dont know if it is a glitch or what...but Rey Misterio (Sr) is shown as a retired wrestler and i signed him to ECWA, and he wants to be pushed as a main eventer, and when i give him that push he says that he is very unhappy with the push he is given...so i dont know if it has happened with anyone else, but it is happening with him

[eric9003]

other guys that could be added (some of them could already be in there)...

Darren Drozdoff (was 21 at the time, didnt debut til 1998)
James Gibson (would be 17 in December '93)
Mike Haynor (Prince Iaukea...he debuted in 1996, and i cant find a birthday for him...but i think he was a stuntman before he went to wrestling)
Rob Kellum (The Maestro...debuted around 1993)
Earnest Miller (Born in 1964)
Scott Riggs (Born in 1967, debuted in 1993)
Curtis Thompson and Todd Champion (The Patriots...Thompson debuted in 1987 and Champion debuted in the late 80s sometime)
Brad Cain (Lodi...born in 1970)
Buddy Landell (debuted in 1979, born in 1961)
Robbie Rage and Kenny Kaos (rage born in 1970, cant find a bday for kaos)
Jeff Bradley (Dudley Dudley...debuted in 1994)
Jason Spence (Christian York in ECW)

ill try to look for more later...but the Super Bowl is a callin

[Bucky Sinister]

Nice work! I've been playing the beta for a couple of weeks, and now here's the final version! Guess I'll have to start my "WCW Goes Cutting Edge" game all over again. Ah well. I went a little overboard with pushing the rookies, anyway...

[TCP1]

Glad you like Bucky, but if you wait 6 days the new and spangly version will be out.

[Midnightnick]

I got a Roster for WAR from Wikipedia.

Natives

* Genichiro Tenryu
* Animal Hamaguchi
* Great Kabuki
* Hiromichi Fuyuki
* Ashura Hara
* Ultimo Dragon
* Arashi
* Nobutaka Araya
* Nobukazu Hirai
* Tomohiro Ishii
* Yuji Yasuraoka
* Koji Kitao
* Masaaki Mochizuki
* Gedo
* Jado

Foreigners

* Bob Backlund
* Scott Putski
* Terry Gordy
* Bam Bam Bigelow
* Chris Jericho
* Lance Storm
* Yokozuna
* Rio, Lord of the Jungle

[Midnightnick]

WAR also had a Working Agreement with the WWF.

[Sartagis]

Toryumon is already in the game as a new promotion as Dragon Gate (I'm pretty sure Dragon Gate was in there).

Brief run down of the Ultimo Dragon Gym/Toryumon/Dragon Gate history from http://dragongate.puroresufan.com.

"From January 1999 until July 2004, the students of the Ultimo Dragon Gym competed under the banner of Toryumon Japan. Emerging from a small indie promotion to the fastest rising wrestling organization in Japan, they became known for the exciting high flying action, with intriguing storylines and a heavy emphasis on performance. Due to the young male stars, a large fan base of Teen to 20 something female (and male, both straight and not) became one of it's trademarks.

For it's run as Toryumon, the company was lead by it's figurehead, Ultimo Dragon, who was responsible for training 95% of the performers, and handled all the front office relations. His reputation helped give the company legitimacy in it's early days. Upon his return to the ring from his retirement, his partner Takashi Okamura began to retain more control of the day to day operations, and assumed full control upon Ultimos' departure to WWE.

Through it's 5 year run, 3 graduating classes were borne out of the training dojo.

Toryumon Japan: The initial term students, that became the signature stars in the early years.

Toryumon 2000 Project (T2P): A drastic contrast from the first term, this class made use of a Hexagon (6 sided) ring, and utilized a hypnotic submission based style known as Llave. After a head to head feud with Japan, T2P was dismissed, and most of it's wrestlers joined the Japan roster. Most have left now, with only Anthony W. Mori, Masato Yoshino, Naruki Doi, and the Florida Brothers remaining.

Toryumon X: Becoming known as the lost class. Considered a failure in the Japanese market, X boasted to represent the future of Japanese lucha, but due to it's lack of a true ace, and it's use of many "mini" versions of existing Toryumon wrestlers, it never caught on. Many of it's initial members have disappeared, but new ones have begun to debut. Naoki Tanisaki is the only member to date to graduate to Japan, while it's other members have begun to appear for other companies in Japan. This class retained the Toryumon name after the change, but held it's final show in September 2004. Many players from this class are now starting to gain a bit of notoriety and success under new characters.

So where did Dragon Gate come from?

On July 5th, 2004, one day after the 5th anniversary show in Kobe World Hall, Ultimo Dragon left the company, taking along his name and his trademark influences. Reports conflict as to the exact reasoning, ranging from trademark issues with the Toryumon name, to rumours of an unmasking in the near future for Ultimo, so he was choosing to distance himself, to nastier talk. Although this was a drastic change up front, in the end this proved to be a front end change only, as the in ring product stayed the same.

The titles used during the Toryumon era were all returned to their initial owners, and new belts were prepared. The main singles title is called the "Open the Dream Gate" (or DG) title. This was awarded to CIMA, who was the final UDG belt holder. The 6 person tag belts are called "Open the Triangle Gate", and were rewarded to the winners of the 2004 Rey de Parejas, the Italian Connection. They also have begun to debut their own dojo graduates, the new generation of Dragon Gate.

A new project called dragondoor was started in summer 2005. It is the brainchild of T2P graduate Noriaki Kawabata, with financial funding from internet giant Livedoor. It is indeed held under the Toryumon Ltd. banner, so you could call it the "new Toryumon Japan" in theory. While Principle Asai does not officially seem to have anything to do with it, he is heavily involved in the ring, and his trademark booking touches are very obvious. dragondoor utilizes T2P and some Toryumon X talent, but also currently is populated by Principle Asais' friends. Take that for what you will. Their schedule is fairly limited, with bi-monthly shows being run out of Korakuen Hall."

[darkfire423]

Toryumon is already in the game as a new promotion as Dragon Gate (I'm pretty sure Dragon Gate was in there).

Brief run down of the Ultimo Dragon Gym/Toryumon/Dragon Gate history from http://dragongate.puroresufan.com.

"From January 1999 until July 2004, the students of the Ultimo Dragon Gym competed under the banner of Toryumon Japan. Emerging from a small indie promotion to the fastest rising wrestling organization in Japan, they became known for the exciting high flying action, with intriguing storylines and a heavy emphasis on performance. Due to the young male stars, a large fan base of Teen to 20 something female (and male, both straight and not) became one of it's trademarks.

For it's run as Toryumon, the company was lead by it's figurehead, Ultimo Dragon, who was responsible for training 95% of the performers, and handled all the front office relations. His reputation helped give the company legitimacy in it's early days. Upon his return to the ring from his retirement, his partner Takashi Okamura began to retain more control of the day to day operations, and assumed full control upon Ultimos' departure to WWE.

Through it's 5 year run, 3 graduating classes were borne out of the training dojo.

Toryumon Japan: The initial term students, that became the signature stars in the early years.

Toryumon 2000 Project (T2P): A drastic contrast from the first term, this class made use of a Hexagon (6 sided) ring, and utilized a hypnotic submission based style known as Llave. After a head to head feud with Japan, T2P was dismissed, and most of it's wrestlers joined the Japan roster. Most have left now, with only Anthony W. Mori, Masato Yoshino, Naruki Doi, and the Florida Brothers remaining.

Toryumon X: Becoming known as the lost class. Considered a failure in the Japanese market, X boasted to represent the future of Japanese lucha, but due to it's lack of a true ace, and it's use of many "mini" versions of existing Toryumon wrestlers, it never caught on. Many of it's initial members have disappeared, but new ones have begun to debut. Naoki Tanisaki is the only member to date to graduate to Japan, while it's other members have begun to appear for other companies in Japan. This class retained the Toryumon name after the change, but held it's final show in September 2004. Many players from this class are now starting to gain a bit of notoriety and success under new characters.

So where did Dragon Gate come from?

On July 5th, 2004, one day after the 5th anniversary show in Kobe World Hall, Ultimo Dragon left the company, taking along his name and his trademark influences. Reports conflict as to the exact reasoning, ranging from trademark issues with the Toryumon name, to rumours of an unmasking in the near future for Ultimo, so he was choosing to distance himself, to nastier talk. Although this was a drastic change up front, in the end this proved to be a front end change only, as the in ring product stayed the same.

The titles used during the Toryumon era were all returned to their initial owners, and new belts were prepared. The main singles title is called the "Open the Dream Gate" (or DG) title. This was awarded to CIMA, who was the final UDG belt holder. The 6 person tag belts are called "Open the Triangle Gate", and were rewarded to the winners of the 2004 Rey de Parejas, the Italian Connection. They also have begun to debut their own dojo graduates, the new generation of Dragon Gate.

A new project called dragondoor was started in summer 2005. It is the brainchild of T2P graduate Noriaki Kawabata, with financial funding from internet giant Livedoor. It is indeed held under the Toryumon Ltd. banner, so you could call it the "new Toryumon Japan" in theory. While Principle Asai does not officially seem to have anything to do with it, he is heavily involved in the ring, and his trademark booking touches are very obvious. dragondoor utilizes T2P and some Toryumon X talent, but also currently is populated by Principle Asais' friends. Take that for what you will. Their schedule is fairly limited, with bi-monthly shows being run out of Korakuen Hall."


Yea i know dragongate is in but really Toryumon should be in to for the fact that well......it was a company that opened its doors after 1993......

[TracyBrooksFan]

other guys that could be added (some of them could already be in there)...

Darren Drozdoff (was 21 at the time, didnt debut til 1998)
James Gibson (would be 17 in December '93)
Mike Haynor (Prince Iaukea...he debuted in 1996, and i cant find a birthday for him...but i think he was a stuntman before he went to wrestling)
Rob Kellum (The Maestro...debuted around 1993)
Earnest Miller (Born in 1964)
Scott Riggs (Born in 1967, debuted in 1993)
Curtis Thompson and Todd Champion (The Patriots...Thompson debuted in 1987 and Champion debuted in the late 80s sometime)
Brad Cain (Lodi...born in 1970)
Buddy Landell (debuted in 1979, born in 1961)
Robbie Rage and Kenny Kaos (rage born in 1970, cant find a bday for kaos)
Jeff Bradley (Dudley Dudley...debuted in 1994)
Jason Spence (Christian York in ECW)

ill try to look for more later...but the Super Bowl is a callin


Riggs is in the game as Scotty Anton can add Trish Stratus and tracy Brooks although no tin wrestling yet can be added cuz both over 16

[Midnightnick]

Yeah, there is a several lack of Women wrestlers in this. Also, include Ivory. She wrestled back in G.L.O.W, so she'd be in this at least.

[cappyboy]

other guys that could be added (some of them could already be in there)...

Curtis Thompson and Todd Champion (The Patriots...Thompson debuted in 1987 and Champion debuted in the late 80s sometime)


Acutally wouldn't this be Chip Minton as "Firebreaker Chip" instead of Curtis Thompson? Or am I confusing a separate Patriots tag team with the WCW Special Forces of the Gulf War period in 91?

[eric9003]

Acutally wouldn't this be Chip Minton as "Firebreaker Chip" instead of Curtis Thompson? Or am I confusing a separate Patriots tag team with the WCW Special Forces of the Gulf War period in 91?

both of yall are probably right...i was drunk earlier as i am now...so i just wanted to make sure they were in there...thanks for catchin my mistakes

[darkfire423]

Pancrase Roster

But i found out that the debut show wasnt until Step. of 93.....So you might just want to make sure that the roster is in the game and people could add it if they want.....

Bas Rutten
George Weingroff
Joop Van Dam
Katsuomi Inagaki
Ken Wayne Shamrock (He didnt use just Ken Shamrock until he went to the UFC, and then in wrestling world he was known as Ken Wayne until he went to the WWF)
Masakatsu Funaki
Minoru Suzuki
Ryushi Yanagisawa
Vernon "Tiger" White
Yoshiki Takahashi
Yusuke Fuke

[Infernalmiko]

Yeah, there is a several lack of Women wrestlers in this. Also, include Ivory. She wrestled back in G.L.O.W, so she'd be in this at least.Though to be fair it would be a pain to go back and figure out the AJW roster around this time. I'll give it a try later, I just finished my own mod.:)

[cappyboy]

Ken Wayne Shamrock (He didnt use just Ken Shamrock until he went to the UFC, and then in wrestling world he was known as Ken Wayne until he went to the WWF)


Not saying you're mistaken. Never got to see Pancrase because PPV was rather limited where I lived in Maine in 93. But this Ken Wayne stuff is news to me. The name I always saw Ken work under before he left wrestling for MMA and adopted the Shamrock name was Vince Torelli.

[TCP1]

I believe vince torelli is the correct name, but I will add all above.

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Pancrase?

If anyone would like to create female wrestlers for 1993, that would be sweet.

[darkfire423]

I believe vince torelli is the correct name, but I will add all above.

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Pancrase?

If anyone would like to create female wrestlers for 1993, that would be sweet.


Pancrase is part MMA part Wrestling......also known as a Work Shooted.....

[fieldsy]

Just to check....

I thought the update was out at the weekend? Has this been put back now?

[TCP1]

I'm afraid so, because it's going to be a big update, I thought id give everyone another week for suggestions.

[shamelessposer]

Should the Hardy Boys and the Haas Brothers be listed as tag teams? In the current game, they're not. I don't know much about the '93 era, but when I started an ECWA game those teams were notable for their absence.

EDIT: Also, Andrew Martin's biography lists him as a member of the THUG Life stable even though he isn't on the BCW roster.

[fieldsy]

I'm afraid so, because it's going to be a big update, I thought id give everyone another week for suggestions.

Hey thats cool.....good idea.

[Midnightnick]

Should the Hardy Boys and the Haas Brothers be listed as tag teams? In the current game, they're not. I don't know much about the '93 era, but when I started an ECWA game those teams were notable for their absence.

EDIT: Also, Andrew Martin's biography lists him as a member of the THUG Life stable even though he isn't on the BCW roster.

Weird, because they're listed in mine.

[TCP1]

They certainly are listed. Could it be the AI split them up in your game, or your using an older version?

[Sartagis]

Yea i know dragongate is in but really Toryumon should be in to for the fact that well......it was a company that opened its doors after 1993......
Yes but Dragon Gate IS Toryumon, Toryumon IS Dragon Gate. They are the same promotion. Everyone besides Ultimo and one or two other high up's stayed. They even kept all the same contracts. They never stopped putting on shows. One show they were Toryumon the next they were Dragon Gate. So either it should be in as Dragon Gate or in as Toryumon, but not both was my point. It's comparable to the WWF becomming the WWE, you wouldn't add WWE as a new promotion just because of the name change. I personally renamed Dragon gate to Toryumon, but that is just a personal choice.

[jadams1169]

Lets move past the whole Toryumon and Dragon Gate thing since only a handful of people probably even would use that promotion. Might as well just disable all locations outside of the USA/Canada because they are all that matter.

[Infernalmiko]

I believe vince torelli is the correct name, but I will add all above.

Just out of curiosity, what the hell is Pancrase?

If anyone would like to create female wrestlers for 1993, that would be sweet.Can do it, but it'll take time.:)

[Sartagis]

Lets move past the whole Toryumon and Dragon Gate thing since only a handful of people probably even would use that promotion. Might as well just disable all locations outside of the USA/Canada because they are all that matter.
Move past it? There's been what a whole 3 posts about it...
So because you don't use it that means no one else will? Then explain why there has been popular Japan only mods since EWR? Obviously theres at least 2 in this thread. Wow just wow.

[TakayamaNOFEAR]

Pancrase is part MMA part Wrestling......also known as a Work Shooted.....

Not true, Pancrase was for the most part legit, some of the Japanese fights were worked but it was advertised as a legit shoot. You are thinking of the UWF, UWFI and RINGs(Which became a legit fight comp)

Speaking of which
You might want to Add UWFI they were a popular worked shoot promotion in Japan when this scenario would be happening there roster had

Bad News Allen (Brown)
Yoshihiro Takayama
Yoji Anjoh
Masahito Kakihara
Kazushi Sakuraba
Big Van Vader
Gary Albright
Kiyoshi Tamura
Dan Severn
Hiromitsu Kanehara
Tommy Cario
Dennis Koslowski (Silver medalist in 1992 olympics)

[TCP1]

Yes please InfernalMiko, take as long as you need.

In other news my home computer got some crazy-ass virus last night and everytime i load up windows after about 45 seconds it clicks and reboots, which means no editing until it's sorted. I literally have such limited time to open apps of anything before pop.

WHY, why do nobs have to create virus', they are just such a pain in my ass. I tell you, if I lose every... AGAIN... I might just cry.

Does anyone have any suggestinos, I believe I saw the word backdoor and trojan pop up before it went down?

[Mattyc]

That is terrible mate, I am no expert and but my advice is to go to http://www.downloads.com and look for a free trial download for a programme like spy sweeper, run some free advert and virus programmes and hopefully you will catch whatever is giving you problems.

I have also heard VERY good things about a free programme called CCleaner which can be downloaded at http://www.ccleaner.com , I have never used this programme myself though.

I hope you get everything sorted out as easily and worry free as possible.

[The Stallion]

Yea man that has got to suck. You are one of the better modders I have seen in a long time and to lose all that work is not just dissapointing you you (which I can damn well belive it is), but to also your fans. Lets all hope that you can get this fixed. Good luck brother.

[shamelessposer]

They certainly are listed. Could it be the AI split them up in your game, or your using an older version?

Weird... they're listed now. Might be I was using an earlier version at the time I tried ECWA.

EDIT: And I'd suggest restarting your computer in safe mode (with networking on, maybe?) and see if you can install AVG's free version. Run a full scan and it should pick up just about anything.

[Sartagis]

Yeah if you can get on in safe mode and get and run AVG, Ad-Aware, Spybot Search & Destroy, and trendmicro.com virus scan. Between them they should get any virus/spyware on your pc.

[Sartagis]

Some updates for Maritime venues. Mostly language. They may be off a bit, most of them are venues in New Brunswick (A couple in Nova Scotia though) which is a bi-lingual province (road signs are in French and English, etc), and most of those are in St. John's which isn't as french dominated as the rest but still alot. But most people can speak english just as well so English should stay lots for them all.

Brother O'Hehir Arena - French - Some.
Feildian Gardens - French - Some.
Prince of Wales Arena - French - Some.
Keating Millennium Centre - French - Few.
Amherst Stadium - French - Some.
Dalhousie Memorial Arena - French - Few.
Antigonish Arena - French - Few.
Colchester Legion Stadium - French - Few.
Memorial Civic Centre - French - Some.
Memorial U. Field House - French - Some.
Wolfville War Memorial Gym - French - Few.
Aitken University Centre - French - Lots.
K.C. Irving Regional Centre - French - Lots.
Memorial Stadium - French - Some.
Mile One Stadium - French - Some.
Moncton Coliseum - French - Some.
Halifax Metro Centre - French - Few.
King George V - French - Some.

And add in
Halifax Forum (In Halifax, obviously) - English - Lots, French - Few. Capacity for Hockey is 5,000. Can't remember the Capacity=venue size in game off the top of my head.

[TCP1]

I'm BACK!

Yup puta is now working, albeit half-speed, but hey that's all i need. The updating continues tonight!

[Beejus]

Another person that I thought of this morning: Bill Dundee. He was working in WCW as Steven Regal's servant, Jeeves.

[TCP1]

Quick update:

Everything from above is added except the arenas which i will do tonight.
But come on people, i need more workers to be added, especially Japanese/Mexico to flesh it out! Also, i'm thinking of adding NWA-UK: Hammerlock, but i need some websites that have historical information and possibly pictures from the 1993 era, as well as Europe, any ideas?

[eric9003]

i just noticed that Ray Lloyd (Glacier) isnt in it...or he is under another name...i randomly thought of that guy, he had a cool entrance...debuted in 1987

[TsuMirren]

Quick update:

Everything from above is added except the arenas which i will do tonight.
But come on people, i need more workers to be added, especially Japanese/Mexico to flesh it out! Also, i'm thinking of adding NWA-UK: Hammerlock, but i need some websites that have historical information and possibly pictures from the 1993 era, as well as Europe, any ideas?

In 1993, they were still only Hammerlock Wrestling. I'm not entirely sure who was on the roster around then, may have been too early for the batch who left and formed the FWA...possible that say Mark Sloan and Alex Shane were there.

As for others, obviously Drew McDonald and Robbie Brookside were wrestling whilst I believe Big Daddy had a heart attack in 1993.

[Jeff Cartwright]

Add these guys:

Sam Houston
Pez Whatley
Craig Pittman
The Gambler
Jim Steele
Mark Starr
Rip Rogers
Glen Osbourne
J.T. Smith
Tony Stetson
Don E. Allen
Jason Knight
Gino Caruso
Malia Hosaka
Chad Austin
Johnny Ace
Brian Anthony
Paul Atlas
Tony Atlas
Steve Blackman
Mike Shaw
Horace Boulder (Horace Hogan)
Brickhouse Brown
Jim Brunzell
Brian B. Blair
Jimmy Cicero
Joanie Laurer
Mike Rapada
Tony DeVito
Ace Darling
Duke Droese
Bill Dundee
Adam Flash
Flash Flanagan (Slash Venom)
Bobby Fulton
Kris Germany
Ray Lloyd (Glacier)
The Maestro
Billy Jack Haynes
Mike Lockwood (Crash Holly)
Inferno Kid (Danny Inferno)
Buddy Landell
Metal Maniac (Frank Goodman)
Jason Jett (EZ Money)
Don Montoya
Hack Myers
Kevin Northcutt
Mr. Ooh La La
Alex Porteau
Rod Price
Ivan Putski
Scott Putski
Kevin Quinn
Twiggy Ramirez
T. Rantula
Billy Reil
Ron Reis
Essa Rios
Dan Severn
Tiger Ali Singh
Mark Shrader
Johnny Smith
Michelle Starr
Gary Steele
George Steele
Robert Thompson
Jimmy Valiant
Bill Wiles (Bilvis Welsey)
Wolfie D
David Young

All of them were either already wrestling in 1993 or debuted sometime between 1993-1995. Many of these guys had stints as jobbers in WCW, ECW, or WWF at the time and others were top indy workers.

[Jeff Cartwright]

I found more independent and international workers who debuted in the early 90s. I don't think any of them are in the scenario yet:

Anthony Adonis (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000711)
Anthony Michaels (Snot Dudley) (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001073)
Avisman (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002672)
Azteca (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002087)
Brandon Bishop (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001557)
Corporal Robinson (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000774)
Fugaz (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002267)
Hator (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001477)
Homicide (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000973)
Joe Rules (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000506)
Tom Howard (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000706)
Shane Shamrock (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001446)
Vance Nevada (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000462)
Veneno (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002884)
Frank Iadevaia (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001720)
Pablo Marquez (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001949)
Bob Evans (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002092)
Black Dragon (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002395)
Chris Hamrick (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000646)
White Wolf (Dances With Dudley) (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000124)
Donnie B. (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000033)
Dr. Cerebro (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002885)
Mosco De La Merced (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000279)
Electro Shock (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001733)
Frank Parker (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000673)
Harry Del Rios (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00001531)
Jeff Jones (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002578)
Karloff Lagarde Jr. (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00002583)
Rick Titan (http://www.cagematch.de/cgi-bin/database/english/profile.cgi?action=overview&worker=00000811)

[Sartagis]

Some inof for Black Dragon (Brett Como).
http://www.geocities.com/jpuroresu/bios/BrettComoBlackDragon.htm

Also that site has some pretty good bios of Puroresu wrestlers and some in Mexico.
http://www.geocities.com/jpuroresu/

In case you don't have these sites already.
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/ (I'd wager a guess that you have this one already lol, but just in case)
List of some tag teams - http://www.steveswrestling.com/info/tagteams.html

http://www.100megsfree4.com/wiawrestling/wiamain.htm - Scroll down and on the left you have info on WWE, WCW, ECW, XPW, AJPW, NJPW, Zero-1, FMW, NOAH, AAA, CMLL, UWA, AWA, SMW, USWA, UWF, GWF, WCCW, Stampede, IWA, WWC, WWAS, XWF, MLW, ROH, WOW, Pro Wrestling Illustrated info, NWA info then tons of misc info.

http://www.puroresufan.com/ - Down the bottom on the left are links to it's sister sites for AJPW, NOAH, Dragon Gate, DDT and Zero One.

[TheNinjaSpecter]

wrestlingscout.com

This site is also good for Bios (currently at 915), not sure if any of them will help though. Since they mostly relate to the wrestlers current status/ability.

Btw really looking forward to this mod, since the current roster mods are well not up to par, and DOTT is great in terms of quality, but 1983 is before my time so it's a lot harder to get into when I only know most of the wrestlers by name.

[TsuMirren]

www.thehistoryofprowrestling.com is good for info

Also, the GWF are missing a whole series of guys from Alex Porteau to Scott Putski, Guido Falcone, Vito Mussolini, etc etc. The results page over at obsessedwith wrestling will give you the info for their 1993 shows.

[tarheels4life]

quick question, do the new promotions come up randomly? In like 7 years I've had 4 new promotions pop up. I'm waiting for TNA to pop up and was wodnering when it would or if it's not a set thing and they come up random. BTW, USWA is at cult right now, WCW finally got to global. ECW is at Cult too and have Scott Steiner as their champ (HES HARDCORE!). So yea, quick update on my world.

[Midnightnick]

I just realized a Stable not in this. Los Gringos Loco in AAA. Eddie, Art Barr, Konnan, Louie Spicolli and Black Cat.

[Sartagis]

I just realized a Stable not in this. Los Gringos Loco in AAA. Eddie, Art Barr, Konnan, Louie Spicolli and Black Cat.
I still can't believe only Konnan is still alive. :(

[zigon]

any idea when a complete first release will be ready???

[Midnightnick]

You're telling me Sart.

[TCP1]

Should be done by tomorrow night, if not then, certainly monday night!

[The Stallion]

I still can't believe only Konnan is still alive. :(
OK, Konnan may not have any ring skills anymore, but he can still talk it up on the mic. I think he can really take LAX to the top of the tag team ranks kind of as their manager. Just dont put him in the ring.

[Midnightnick]

You should add the Taipei Death Match into this. If I'm not mistaken, ECW had one in 94.

[trypio]

quick question, do the new promotions come up randomly? In like 7 years I've had 4 new promotions pop up. I'm waiting for TNA to pop up and was wodnering when it would or if it's not a set thing and they come up random.
They come up random, depending on the economic/wrestling industry status I believe.

[Midnightnick]

Something has to be done about the Areas, alot of the American workers have Japan as an available area to work, which is alright. But when Tammy Sytch, a person who knows no Japanese at all is hired by AJPW. Something needs to be done. What I'm suggesting, is Managers and the like are US only, but wrestlers can be Japan.

[fieldsy]

Cant wait for this.....hopefully it is released tonight!

[Beejus]

Hopefully I catch it in time, but I was previously wrong; Jeeves wasn't with Regal until later on. Dundee was playing Sir William.

Same role, just different person.

[zigon]

i have just noticed, their is no dynamite kid

[cappyboy]

OK, Konnan may not have any ring skills anymore, but he can still talk it up on the mic. I think he can really take LAX to the top of the tag team ranks kind of as their manager. Just dont put him in the ring.

I don't think that was quite his point though. I think his point is more to the fact that Konnan has outlived all the other guys despite not being really all that old yet.

[The Stallion]

I don't think that was quite his point though. I think his point is more to the fact that Konnan has outlived all the other guys despite not being really all that old yet.
Ah, I see!

[Beejus]

No, I think he meant the ring skills one....

[TCP1]

OK update finished, files being uploaded.

Plus plenty of add-ons, including over 700 workers now.

Hopefully up tomorrow!

[Sartagis]

I don't think that was quite his point though. I think his point is more to the fact that Konnan has outlived all the other guys despite not being really all that old yet.
Yeah my point was that out of 5 of them only 1 of them is still kicking and not a one was that old.
Art Barr was like 28 or 29, Eddie was I think 38, Louie Spicolli was like 27 and Black Cat was 51. Black Cat was the oldest but even his death came as a surprise, hell he was even training to make an in ring return in NJPW reportedly. 5 guys 3 dead before 40, 2 of them before 30. And when ya grew up watching them wrestle alot it all seems so unbelievable.

Though that is not saying Konnan is any good these days. lol

[zigon]

When exactly today will it be up coz i really wanna play on the final release like right this second

[fieldsy]

well according to him, the update is done so hopefully it will be up later tonight!

[TCP1]

Basically I'm waiting for my server hoster person to get back from work, so you'll just have to be patient. :)

If it's any conscolation, its awesome. LOL. I've started as WCW and my sister is WWF. I'm setting up an epic storyline where Flair wins the Title off Vader after losing his to Rude.
Then Arn turns on Roma to join Ole and they leave the horseman.
Hogan comes in and beats Rude for his title.
Ole and Arn target Hogan and flair comes to his defence.
Flair beats Ole in a retirement match.
Flair/Hogan go after the hollywood blondes, but during match Flair turns on Hogan and reforms the Horsemen (Flair/Arn/Austin/Pillman w Ole as manager)
Flair fights Hogan at Starrcade to Unify titles. (Hogan Wins)

[zigon]

can't ypu upload it on a free server in the mean time? it is alot less hassle, as i am in the UK it's already nearly 8 amnd i wanna start a game tonight

[Midnightnick]

Yeah, just use Rapidshare till your normal host gets back.

[TCP1]

Sorry about the delay, was down the pub watching Liverpool vs Arsenal.

OK it's up and ready to go. As always comments etc here, next update probably won't be for a month- 6 weeks, but still go nuts. Certain wrestlers have been added, but not all listed above as i couldn't find pictures of most of the obscure ones.

[foolinc]

Any chance you could post something that lays out everything that was updated in the new update?

[zigon]

was Dynamite Kid added?

[zigon]

ok please can someone help me here as this is confusing thwe **** out of me, i click the link for data, the click free, and that it says the file has already been downloaded 10 times and then under enter a 3 digit code that it shows, click that, then comes up with a upload box and a download session invalid.

note to modder, please use a decent file service to upload as you are wasting everyome's time otherwise and you made it and no one can use it, files should be easy to access, not a bloody puzzle.

and yes i am pissed of, this has been hyped for ages, i have been looking to paying it, and now i can't.

[MrCanada]

you have to enter the proper code (case sensitive) into the space then hit the thing.

EDIT: just tried, works fine. RapidShare is the best free uploader out there, there isnt anything better besides buying your own webspace.

[zigon]

well it doesn't work fine for me, or a friend i got to try it

[Midnightnick]

Yeah. It's quite simple. And yes, Dynamite Kid is in. Also, GWF did have Tag Champs in August of 93. Sicilian Studs, Vito Mussolini and Guido Falcone. Yet, they are not hired in GWF.

[TCP1]

I explained that there would be a delay until my regular file-hoster put the new stuff up, but people didn't want to wait, so i used the site everyone suggested to use, so please lets not get personal.

I understand that it sucks not to be able to play it right away, but i will look into your problem and get back to you all.

Yes Dynamite is in. Unfortunately i lost track of everything i added, it takes ages with one person, and taking extra time to write out everything i added did not seem like a fun proposition. As a rough guide, pretty much everything above has been added!

[zigon]

i have tried everything, on Firefox and IE.

on firefox i got download session invalid, and on IE i get DAP pop-up automaticlly saying file can not be found

could someone just e-mail me the files, bluehell555@gmail.com

[TCP1]

Thanks for the update Midnightnick! And thanks for making me look like a bit of dick :) Shouldn't really have rushed it quite as much as i did, but hopefully it's only little things like that, that are missing.

[TCP1]

Craig do you have a pop-up blocker or firewall that is preventing you from actually downloading files?

Is anyone else having problems?

[zigon]

i have no pop-up-blocker or firewall

[TCP1]

Well I've sent the files across to your email, so have fun!

[rockers4ever]

Hi can someone please send me the files via email having some problems trying to download it, All i need is the T.E.G.E Data and T.E.G.E Extras files Thanks very much

gary.mcphail@virgin.net

[rockers4ever]

Thanks got the files sent,

[Mattyc]

I have just downloaded the new version of the scenario successfully, foolishly though I deleted the old version of the game before setting up the new one and I have noticed the belt pictures have not been put online, if somebody with the old version could put the belt pack on rapidshare or send it to me via email at dcu_fozzo@yahoo.co.uk I would be very grateful, thank you.

[XxFutureLegend112xX]

could someone email me the file at inmortalking112@hotmail.com

[TCP1]

Seriously can no-one download from the main page anymore?

What is the problem with the links?

[Skywalker1976]

I downloaded the files two or three hours ago and didn't have any problems.

I have the complete set of the 1993 Wrestling Observer from Dave Meltzer at home so I think I can give you additional info on which wrestler was in which federation. What do you need?

[TCP1]

I wouldn't mind seeing the lot if that's ok, preferably July/August/september.

[jpuk]

Could someone email the T.E.G.E Data and T.E.G.E Extras files to jp_xps@hotmail.com

Unfortunately I can't d/l them either?!?

[jadams1169]

Seriously can no-one download from the main page anymore?

What is the problem with the links?

People are lazy.

[jpuk]

People are lazy.

No, on the RapidShare pages I get: Download-session invalid.

I've got the pictures with no problem, they're on a different server.

[Midnightnick]

Weird, works for me. What browser you using? And any extensions?

[jpuk]

Microsoft IE through a router - I thought this may be the problem but to no avail. If someone could email it to jp_xps@hotmail.com I'd really appreciate it.

[Sartagis]

I've heard of tons of people not being able to access rapidshare dl's, it seems to either be a internet settings issue, ISP blocking or some other user end thing. But people saying they can't DL them aren't just being lazy, there is something that isn't letting some people.

[PoisonedSuperman]

Dino Bravo please.

[Mattyc]

Dino Bravo please.

Dino Bravo died in March 1993 mate. This Mod begins in August.

[JWideman]

The issue with rapidshare might be transparent proxies. Until they get their **** straightened out, http://savefile.com/ might be a good alternative.

[cjt_uk]

Anybody know why it's impossible to download the Data and extras from rapidshare?

[Jar4prez]

Is it just me or is ecw hard to run as cutting edge I think it would be better as a hardcore fed or a underground fed. but then again I could just be bad at the game.

[Midnightnick]

Well, at the time of 93, it was Cutting Edge.

[cjt_uk]

Could someone please do me a big favour and email me the data and extras files please.

cjt_uk@msn.com

I'm desperate to play it

[Alex Great]

People are lazy.

Boy does the breifness of your post make you look like hypocritical.

[SaySo]

Okay, i tried downloading the data files 1993.rar from the rapid share site, it came up with

Download Aborted
File request does not exist.

How do i get these files then? Can anyone post the 1993.rar on a post in a attachment, please?

For example, like what you see with this post.

[Beejus]

Here's a slightly better Cactus Jack for this time period, if anyone wants. Would have given this out earlier, but it didn't annoy me until just recently :p
http://www.freewebs.com/beejus/Mick%20Foley.jpg

[TCP1]

OK I just tested the downloading of filkes and they all seem to work, so i think it might be pop-up blockers/firewalls/net security that is stopping you guys. If you give me your email addresses I'll send data across to you.

[Sweatsock]

Could you e-mail me all the files except 1993.rar as I have that already. Cheers.


sweatsock84@hotmail.com

[bcwildcatjohn]

Everything in Rapidshare is working fine, but all the people, screens and logos are not working.

bcwildcatjohn@comcast.net

[TCP1]

OK everything has been uploaded and all links now work, so go nuts!

[bcwildcatjohn]

OK everything has been uploaded and all links now work, so go nuts!
Gone nuts I have. Many thanks! :) :) :)

[cjt_uk]

I'm still having trouble with both Data and Extras. I've tried everything to get rapidshare to work without joy, it was the same with trying to get the new football manager update from it..

If you could please send me the dat and extras I'll owe ya thank you.

cjt_uk@msn.com

[TCP1]

It's sent.

So people now you've had time to play the mod, what are honest opinions? Obviously this is a gauging technique because if you like this, the chances are you'll like my Real World Mod, which is good news tbh.

[bcwildcatjohn]

all I know to say is I can't wait to show Turner what WCW should have been booked like. Everything is awesome!

[Beejus]

I found a handful of things that bugged me, but that's because it's things I didn't catch onto historically before (i.e. The Blue Bloods weren't in existence yet). But otherwise, it seems to be about as 1993 as 1993 can get, I'd say.

Doing a current world diary would fix little things like that though because everything that's happened is around.

[cjt_uk]

It's sent.

So people now you've had time to play the mod, what are honest opinions? Obviously this is a gauging technique because if you like this, the chances are you'll like my Real World Mod, which is good news tbh.

Thank you

I'm so far very impressed with what you've done, I'm looking forward to spending a lot of hours playing it

[The Stallion]

It's sent.

So people now you've had time to play the mod, what are honest opinions? Obviously this is a gauging technique because if you like this, the chances are you'll like my Real World Mod, which is good news tbh.
Your mod rocks TCP1, as Ive said before. You have a great nack for putting things in perspective, like in the letter grades for certain things. Even though the WWF was the biggest promotion in the US at that time, does not mean that they should be A+. Just because certain people are very very good in certain areas, does not mean they should be A+. You are very good when it comes to these mods and I cant wait for your current timeline mod. Just to let you know Im gearing up for a big NWO/DX fued in the WWF. Im about to lead the world into a X-Division style revolution with guys with actually having actualy talent comming to the forfront. Just one question, with this new direction, should I change the style of the WWF to something like Cutting Edge. Sports Entertainment just wont respect these guys for what they can do. Also, is there any chance that you could reslease an update in terms of other wrestler and what years they debuted. Like Samoa Joe, AJ Styles and so on and so forth. I know you are busy with your current mod but it would be cool to have this.

[TCP1]

I'll look into the add-ons at a later date.

Cutting Edge would certainly seem the way forward, definately not pure feds.

[The Stallion]

I'll look into the add-ons at a later date.

Cutting Edge would certainly seem the way forward, definately not pure feds.
Thanks TCP1, again you rock and thanks for the advice.

[SaySo]

OK I just tested the downloading of filkes and they all seem to work, so i think it might be pop-up blockers/firewalls/net security that is stopping you guys. If you give me your email addresses I'll send data across to you.

Cool, thanks a lot TCP and i can't hope for the new mod you and this community is creating. my email address for the 1993 scenario is

I just need the data files 1993.rar, thank you.

c_ault_arizona@yahoo.com

[nick1091]

Just downloaded and started poking around. Things look pretty good, but I think there are some things missing from GWF.

Should be on the roster:

-Black Bart
-Mike Davis (who wrestled both as himself and the masked "Viper")
-Iceman King Parsons
-Action Jackson (tagged w/Parsons as part of the Blackbirds, then turned face)
-Rod Price
-"The Witch Doctor" Baboose (mouthpiece for Parsons and Jackson, I believe he also managed Moadib)
-Brandon Baxter
-"Wild" Bill Irwin
-Steven Dane
-John Tatum
-Al Perez

Also, James Beard was the head official for GWF.

I also believe Sam Houston and Bull Pain were still there in 93, but I'm not for certain.

I also can't remember Jake Roberts or Al Snow working for them, but I might be wrong.

[Vladamire Dracos]

For those having problems with rapidshare, make sure you don't use download-accelerators and get to clicking as soon as the (20-30 sec.) timer counts down, I've noticed that rapidshare only offers a limited download window and Download-accelerators are only supported on their pay version.

[justtxyank]

Hey guy, I just wanted to let you know that this mod is fantastic. My home computer downloads like crap so it took a long time but it was well worth it. I appreciate all the work you put into it!

Oh, and no criticism or suggestions from me, just praise!

[TCP1]

Hey guy, I just wanted to let you know that this mod is fantastic. My home computer downloads like crap so it took a long time but it was well worth it. I appreciate all the work you put into it!

Oh, and no criticism or suggestions from me, just praise!

It's nice to know that people are enjoying it. I have stopped playing it while I create the new real world mod. I forgot how long editing and creating actually takes. :(

[justtxyank]

It's nice to know that people are enjoying it. I have stopped playing it while I create the new real world mod. I forgot how long editing and creating actually takes. :(

Ya enjoying it big time. The only thing I can contribute to this community is pics (which I will link to soon) so I appreciate all the hard work of the modders.

[TCP1]

Ya enjoying it big time. The only thing I can contribute to this community is pics (which I will link to soon) so I appreciate all the hard work of the modders.

REALLY? Could you possible make some pics for my upcoming release to save me some time? What I need is up-to-date pics of ROH/TNA/CZW workers (preferably head and shoulders and looking at the camera).

[justtxyank]

REALLY? Could you possible make some pics for my upcoming release to save me some time? What I need is up-to-date pics of ROH/TNA/CZW workers (preferably head and shoulders and looking at the camera).

I can help out as much as I can. If you pm some names that you are looking for (I'm not really up to date on current guys) I will search for pics and get them cut for you.

[TCP1]

OK, I need:

Smash Bradley
Bobby Dempsey
Rick Titus
Keenan Quinn
Derek Dempsey
Shane Hagadorn
Adam Pierce
Pelle Primeau
Mitch Franklin
C.M. Punk
Colt Cabana
Grim Reefer
Julius Smokes
Ricky Reyes
Kid Mikaze
Nigel McGuinness
Austin Aries
American Dragon
Xavier
Prince Nana
Jimmy Rave
Jimmy Yang
Azrieal and
Jerrelle Clark
Jason Blade
Roderick Strong
B.J. Whitmer
The naturals
Team 3D
Christian Cage
Monty Brown
Brian Kendrick
Raven
AMW
Diamonds in the rough
Sabin
Team Canada
Sonjay Dutt
Abyss
Rhino
Nash
James Gang
LAX

And anymore you can think of would be a great start. :D

[TCP1]

OK are people still having problems downloading this data set?

[Rob4590]

OK are people still having problems downloading this data set?

It worked fine for me yesterday TCP. Just a minor point that i noticed - started as WWF and a few of the wrestler sizes seem a little strange eg. Ludvig Borga (Lightweight ?) Bret and Undertaker are both down as Heavyweight, whereas Diesel (nearly exact same size as Taker) is Large Heavy. Bret I would have thought should be middlewt, and Taker up to Lge Hwt.
Not a big problem - but thought I should let you know. :)

[Fleisch]

Nope. Still can't download pics. Neither mirror works for me but I guess I'll make most of them myself anyway.

[Fleisch]

You can now download all of TCP1's End of The Golden Era from the below link. Go into the TEW Mods 2005 part (duh).

Self-Deceit (http://www.self-deceit.com/)