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Derek B
05-31-2010, 10:08 AM
This game is over! With all threats to the town eliminated, the town wins!

There will be an official epilogue later when The Two gets home... but for now, I'm going to announce that this over. Town wins, and I hope you've all had fun. The Two will run through all the post game analysis and stuff but in the meantime, I'm gonna get to updating the winners and stuff. :)

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 10:09 AM
This game is over! With all threats to the town eliminated, the town wins!

There will be an official epilogue later when The Two gets home... but for now, I'm going to announce that this over. Town wins, and I hope you've all had fun. The Two will run through all the post game analysis and stuff but in the meantime, I'm gonna get to updating the winners and stuff. :)

This has probably been the craziest game of mafia (excluding Super Silliness mafia) that I have ever read/played in.

petrija
05-31-2010, 10:10 AM
...I thought that with the announcing day phase thing, there were more threats.

I was like, nah...

Destiny
05-31-2010, 10:11 AM
I also thought that there may have been more threats after the testicles died.

petrija
05-31-2010, 10:13 AM
I also thought that there may have been more threats after the testicles died.

I was saying that I DIDN'T think there were more.

petrija
05-31-2010, 10:13 AM
Oh. Wait. He didn't announce Day Phase. I thought he did.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 10:14 AM
Very nice game. I totally sucked this one up.

Guys I am sorry about that.

Petrija is dead. She was Jack’s Right Testicle, Jack Aligned Reproductive Organ

Can I still say I don't believe it? I still can't believe it.

Anyway I decided to be the hammer on Destiny incase he was the bomb because at that time in the game I was having a horrible run, plus you didn't lose much. I no longer had an ability after Nick died.

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 10:15 AM
I also thought that there may have been more threats after the testicles died.

How killed the testicles? You, or Arrows. Fess up because now Jack is ball-less and his dreams of being a normal human are wrecked. Well, they were wrecked the moment a massive Jack-aligned kill streak happened.

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 10:16 AM
Very nice game. I totally sucked this one up.

Guys I am sorry about that.

Petrija is dead. She was Jack’s Right Testicle, Jack Aligned Reproductive Organ

Can I still say I don't believe it? I still can't believe it.

Anyway I decided to be the hammer on Destiny incase he was the bomb because at that time in the game I was having a horrible run, plus you didn't lose much. I no longer had an ability after Nick died.

What would have your ability been?

ShadowedFlames
05-31-2010, 10:17 AM
I think it was Destiny sending Arrows to do it, and targeting MichiganHero. My list on pet came back with the following names:

Crychon
Moon_lit_tears
Bak42
Jman2k3
Imarevanant

I had all of them pegged for town, so I gathered that she was the victim of the siblings rule and that MH was the one targeted.

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 10:19 AM
I think it was Destiny sending Arrows to do it, and targeting MichiganHero. My list on pet came back with the following names:

Crychon
Moon_lit_tears
Bak42
Jman2k3
Imarevanant

I had all of them pegged for town, so I gathered that she was the victim of the siblings rule and that MH was the one targeted.

I thought that Pet was just an innocent ball caught up in the war. I was right.

Derek B
05-31-2010, 10:20 AM
First post updated with winners and stuff, that'll make it nice and easy for Imarevenant to update win/loss records later. :)

Hopefully everyone enjoyed playing and/or reading along. More than anything else, I want to say that we (us mods) almost cried when cancer was wiped out on N1. We knew there was a chance it would happen, about a 1 in 8 chance in fact, but we had hoped they'd pull through. Didn't work out and our awesomely worked out cult ended up dying at the very start. I swear, The Two wanted to modkill so many people for that one that I almost wet myself laughing... and then remembered I was sad. He'll explain the details later. :)

All in all, this was a fun game to mod. Alcohol was involved in it's creation and as you have all worked out by now, we were mostly just having fun with it. Write ups were always going to be "dark" (in the sense that you weren't going to be able to know what abilities were being used in write ups except kills) so we made up lots of stuff for funsies. I had a lot of fun modding this and doing the write ups, so hopefully you guys enjoyed it.

And now, I'm off to work out what I'm having dor dinner tonight... probably not hospital food, that stuff will kill ya. :p

eayragt
05-31-2010, 10:22 AM
So, go on then - was someone trying to coach Destiny to be more townie?

I know he still came across as scum, but was someone trying :p? I was gutted to learn that he was actually scum, especially after his hinted ability changed from scholar to bomb and I just let it lie, thinking it was just Destiny being Destiny.

Well done town after I left. We weren't getting anywhere until that run started.

Derek B
05-31-2010, 10:24 AM
How killed the testicles? You, or Arrows. Fess up because now Jack is ball-less and his dreams of being a normal human are wrecked. Well, they were wrecked the moment a massive Jack-aligned kill streak happened.

I think it was Destiny sending Arrows to do it, and targeting MichiganHero. My list on pet came back with the following names:

Crychon
Moon_lit_tears
Bak42
Jman2k3
Imarevanant

I had all of them pegged for town, so I gathered that she was the victim of the siblings rule and that MH was the one targeted.

Actually, it was Jman. One of the things he invented was subtly called "Bigboomamine" and it was a kill. He sent it twice, once to Petrija which also meant that her lover MichiganHero had to die (c'mon, testicles as LOVERS people! :p) and also SGRaaize... though Banger was trying to kill SG on the same night when he was blocked by Zeel. I don't think Jman had a clue what he was sending at any point but the clues were all in the names. Let's see if you can guess what they were... and remember that some option never came up. :)

Pestremovin
Spyonucin
Followucin
Stoppenactin
Shieldocin
Lookovertheretin
Countwicephrine
Bigboomamine

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 10:25 AM
What would have your ability been?

Nick and I could talk outside the game. That was our ability. :D



And now, I'm off to work out what I'm having for dinner tonight... probably not hospital food, that stuff will kill ya. :p

Fix'd. Yeah that hospital food is pretty nasty. :D

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 10:25 AM
Actually, it was Jman. One of the things he invented was subtly called "Bigboomamine" and it was a kill. He sent it twice, once to Petrija which also meant that her lover MichiganHero had to die (c'mon, testicles as LOVERS people! :p) and also SGRaaize... though Banger was trying to kill SG on the same night when he was blocked by Zeel. I don't think Jman had a clue what he was sending at any point but the clues were all in the names. Let's see if you can guess what they were... and remember that some option never came up. :)

Pestremovin
Spyonucin
Followucin
Stoppenactin
Shieldocin
Lookovertheretin
Countwicephrine
Bigboomamine


DAMN YOU, JMAN2K3!

Imarevenant
05-31-2010, 10:39 AM
First post updated with winners and stuff, that'll make it nice and easy for Imarevenant to update win/loss records later. :)

Thank you good sirs.


And thanks for the game, was fun, even though I completely sucked in this one.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 10:42 AM
Pestremovin <---silence?
Spyonucin <---watcher
Followucin <---- Tracker
Stoppenactin <---Roleblock
Shieldocin <---Protect
Lookovertheretin <---Redirect?
Countwicephrine <---Vote minip
Bigboomamine <----kill?

The one I got is not on this list. :D

Derek B
05-31-2010, 10:46 AM
Pestremovin <---silence?
Spyonucin <---watcher
Followucin <---- Tracker
Stoppenactin <---Roleblock
Shieldocin <---Protect
Lookovertheretin <---Redirect?
Countwicephrine <---Vote minip
Bigboomamine <----kill?

The one I got is not on this list. :D

Yeah, I didn't name that one and can't remember what it was called. :p

You got 5 right and are close with the others. We didn't think it was hard... but Jman calling Destiny scum repeatedly then failing to send the Bigboomamine (killed the person Jman sent it to) at all... and actually sending Destiny a roleblock at one point. It was completely baffling for us as mods. :)

petrija
05-31-2010, 10:51 AM
This was definitely a unique game, guys, thanks.

Max Peck
05-31-2010, 10:57 AM
Is it against etiquette to say "I told you so...."?

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 10:59 AM
Is it against etiquette to say "I told you so...."?

I think it depends on how hard you argued and how wrong the other person/people were. :p

eayragt
05-31-2010, 11:00 AM
Is it against etiquette to say "I told you so...."?

Which makes me believe Rev is scum and the puppeteers are trying to get me lynched.

Not at all. I just guess it wasn't about that post :p.

Unfortunately I don't think there's a "I told you so" post out there from me. Even my votes for Destiny were "don't want to waste time doing this later" posts rather than "he's scum" posts.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 11:04 AM
Well I can say I told you so. I had a feeling Arrows was scum and called him out a number of times. :(

Oh man I forgot what it was called and don't have the PM. :( I lose.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 11:17 AM
My final game in which I'm recognized as a rookie, and I end it by having a hand in taking down the one that got me to where I am today..fitting, isn't it?

Ah, a great job to all the rest of the town. I must say, this game was very well balanced. Getting down to 7 people in the final phase is pretty impressive, considering an entire cult was wiped out N1, not to mention all the blocked kills. I had a lot of fun myself, some phases were quieter than others, but none were what you'd call dull. And four straight Mafia lynches in a row to end the game, how badass is that? Anybody know what the record for that is?

And to the Mafia..y'all should've gotten rid of me when you had the chance, bitches! :D :p

The Two
05-31-2010, 12:11 PM
I'm back from my weekend away, I had a feeling I would miss the end of the game. Still, glad to see it seems like you all enjoyed it.

Well I can say I told you so. I had a feeling Arrows was scum and called him out a number of times. :(

Oh man I forgot what it was called and don't have the PM. :( I lose.

I believe it was called Scumtestamine.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 12:12 PM
I'm back from my weekend away, I had a feeling I would miss the end of the game. Still, glad to see it seems like you all enjoyed it.



I believe it was called Scumtestamine.


Yes that is what it was. Awesome game. Thank you so much!!!!! :)

The Two
05-31-2010, 12:14 PM
Yes that is what it was. Awesome game. Thank you so much!!!!! :)

MLT, here's one thing I've wanted to ask you for most of the last week. How could you possibly doubt that Testicles would be included in this game? Did you really think we'd have a game set inside a human body and not include testicles? What do you think we are, mature?!

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 12:16 PM
MLT, here's one thing I've wanted to ask you for most of the last week. How could you possibly doubt that Testicles would be included in this game? Did you really think we'd have a game set inside a human body and not include testicles? What do you think we are, mature?!

Well honestly I have no idea. It was just to funny to believe. I can't tell you how many times I went back to read what was claimed and sat here and laughed for about 20 minutes. I did this more than once.

I guess I should have known, but it was just too damn funny to believe. :D

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 12:19 PM
What struck me as odd is that you still thought it was fake, even after it was made clear MH was the leftie.. :p

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 12:20 PM
What struck me as odd is that you still thought it was fake, even after it was made clear MH was the leftie.. :p


No, the funny thing is I STILL don't believe it. :D

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 12:22 PM
What struck me as odd is that you still thought it was fake, even after it was made clear MH was the leftie.. :p

Can you remind me how exactly you came to the correct conclusion about me being the left testicle. I didn't even hint...until I was asked after my un-silencing.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 12:23 PM
No, the funny thing is I STILL don't believe it. :D

You need to be more open minded.. :D

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 12:26 PM
Can you remind me how exactly you came to the correct conclusion about me being the left testicle. I didn't even hint...until I was asked after my un-silencing.

You asked Pet specifically if she was the right one after she claimed to be one. Why ask that if you aren't the left one? If you were anything else and wanted to know, you'd just ask which side she's on. Couple posts later, you confirmed that you definitely believed her claim was in the game - another fairly telltale sign that you were her other half.

You even asked, specifically, if "right" was the second word in her name. So it was pretty clear to me you were the leftie. I was made even more sure by the way the Mafia kept on silencing you - I thought it was odd, and was trying to figure why they'd do this, until I looked back and saw what you said to Pet. Upon seeing that, I came to the conclusion that they figured it out too, and didn't want you confirming her further.

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 12:27 PM
You asked Pet specifically if she was the right one after she claimed to be one. Why ask that if you aren't the left one? If you were anything else and wanted to know, you'd just ask which side she's on. Couple posts later, you confirmed that you definitely believed her claim was in the game - another fairly telltale sign that you were her other half.

You even asked, specifically, if "right" was the second word in her name. So it was pretty clear to me you were the leftie. I was made even more sure by the way the Mafia kept on silencing you - I thought it was odd, and was trying to figure why they'd do this, until I looked back and saw what you said to Pet. So upon seeing, I came to the conclusion that they didn't want you confirming her further.

Ah. You are a smart cookie indeed.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 12:37 PM
Ah. You are a smart cookie indeed.

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/3394/smartcookie.png

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 12:52 PM
Well played all! Props all around.

Lousy luck on our part taking out the cult recruiter N1. The balance was such that we needed them around to have a chance, and we still managed to take it about as far as we could given the circumstanes.

MichiganHero
05-31-2010, 12:55 PM
Well played all! Props all around.

Lousy luck on our part taking out the cult recruiter N1. The balance was such that we needed them around to have a chance, and we still managed to take it about as far as we could given the circumstanes.

~Quick Question Time~

If Gruntmark had targeted me for talking sakes, would I immediatly get a new role PM and such no longer be town but cult-ist?

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 12:58 PM
~Quick Question Time~

If Gruntmark had targeted me for talking sakes, would I immediatly get a new role PM and such no longer be town but cult-ist?

Yes on the alignment change, the details can vary from mod to mod on what you get told, so I'll let derek and Two fill in the blanks

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For those interested, guests should have full read rights now.

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:02 PM
Well played all! Props all around.

Lousy luck on our part taking out the cult recruiter N1. The balance was such that we needed them around to have a chance, and we still managed to take it about as far as we could given the circumstanes.

Yeah.

And my recruitment would have worked too. Foiled again by mean scum picking on me.

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 01:03 PM
Yeah.

And my recruitment would have worked too. Foiled again by mean scum picking on me.

Were you limited in who you could recruit? Could you recruit scum without being killed yourself?

Destiny
05-31-2010, 01:03 PM
We were as annoyed as you were, once it dawned on us that you were probably the only member of the Cancer alignment.

BHK1978
05-31-2010, 01:05 PM
My instincts were spot on in this game. I had a feeling that both Destiny and Arrows were sucm. Destiny because through metagaming I saw him PMing a lot during this game. Finally my metagaming paid off and I was already dead!:mad:

Arrows, well with him I was less sure but with his lack of activity I thought it was ture. I kept on saying to myself, when are they going to lynch Arrows? Only to have it never happen.

And I guess I witnessed Kobe killing MNN during the first day, I guess. All though at the time I did not know her kills were on delay. So when nothing happened to Nick, I just thought she might have a different role.

Oh and....


Don't Taze Me Bro!

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 01:06 PM
Arrows, well with him I was less sure but with his lack of activity I thought it was ture. I kept on saying to myself, when are they going to lynch Arrows? Only to have it never happen.

The inactivity had little to do with being scum, so this, in the Wright-verse, is what we would call illegal evidence.. :p

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:06 PM
Were you limited in who you could recruit? Could you recruit scum without being killed yourself?

I dont know all the rules.

I went for Jman and was told it would have worked. The Two seemed really upset. Yall should probably feel extra bad about that. :p

But anyway, Jman was a pancreas, so that makes extra sense, with pancreatic cancer and all.

I suppose I was limited, otherwise why bother telling me it would have worked?

BHK1978
05-31-2010, 01:08 PM
The inactivity had little to do with being scum, so this, in the Wright-verse, is what we would call illegal evidence.. :p

Oh know that but much like every time I pointed out SM or Imac for their inactivity, I would have done the same to him.:D

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:09 PM
The inactivity had little to do with being scum, so this, in the Wright-verse, is what we would call illegal evidence.. :p

...I called him scum day 2.

But only CBot heard it.

And he thinks Arrows is scum every game, so the discussion wasnt exactly deep. :D

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 01:10 PM
I dont know all the rules.

I went for Jman and was told it would have worked. The Two seemed really upset. Yall should probably feel extra bad about that. :p

But anyway, Jman was a pancreas, so that makes extra sense, with pancreatic cancer and all.

I suppose I was limited, otherwise why bother telling me it would have worked?

Ah, that suggests that any organ that typically can contract cancer (which is pretty much everything) could be recruited. And it sounds like abilities would be retained -- the inventor gone cultie? That would have wreaked havoc.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 01:17 PM
Oh know that but much like every time I pointed out SM or Imac for their inactivity, I would have done the same to him.:D

I'm just saying, lynch people for the right reasons. I mean, in the SW3 game, he started the lynch on me based on the assumption that I recruited the night before, which of course wasn't the case at all. The way Suikoden worked, and with what he told me on MSN, made me realize very quickly that his disappearance had nothing to do with the game, so lynching him based on that wouldn't be fair. I realize it's Arrows we're talking about, but even he wouldn't go so far as to cancel a game so he could be quiet without looking bad!

....well, maybe he would, but he didn't, and that's all that matters. :p

Pretty unfortunate timing for him and his side, really. If he were active during the Mded and Wallbanger lynches, he'd have probably came off looking a lot better, and might've survived.

But yeah, there was enough against him without the disappearance. One thing I thought of after logging off, was that both Wallbanger and Destiny tried to shift attention to the Cancer team before they got lynched. It was one of few seen consistencies between the team, and I remembered that the first person to even mention the possibility of Cancer being a cult was, in fact, Arrows.

He didn't try to make them the focus, like WB or Destiny did, but he laid the groundwork, in my mind, which made me all the more sure he was on the same side. Was planning to bring that up in the last phase, but he was lynched before I could.

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:22 PM
I suppose I put alot of stock in knowing I was the only cult member.

Im sad we didnt get to see Destiny lead the town. I was looking forward to that.

And alittle sad he came up scum. I was so going to laugh at JMan.

BHK1978
05-31-2010, 01:23 PM
Is there ever a right reason to kill in these games? I got killed because I said Don't Taze Me Bro, not the best game play because I was once again a tracker. People always look for the smallest reasons to lynch or kill.

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 01:24 PM
But remember, once the groundwork's laid, you use it, you don't just put more groundwork on top of it.

Also realize, by Night 4 we were pretty sure we were screwed, and convinced by Night 5. There was really no way to overcome the combination of abilities against us and we were resigned to making it as difficult for you as we could.

A couple of different random choices either way early on and the whole thing goes another direction.

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:28 PM
Is there ever a right reason to kill in these games? I got killed because I said Don't Taze Me Bro, not the best game play because I was once again a tracker. People always look for the smallest reasons to lynch or kill.

I find the whole Dont Taze Me Bro source and subsequent fallout kinda annoying.

I think it was a well deserved killin. :p

BHK1978
05-31-2010, 01:32 PM
I find the whole Dont Taze Me Bro source and subsequent fallout kinda annoying.

I think it was a well deserved killin. :p

I admit that I did laugh when I found out that was the reason why I shuffled off this mortal coil in this game.

And come on Grunt can you really say that you didn't laugh when that hippy dude was tazed for protesting John Kerry?

The Two
05-31-2010, 01:38 PM
Epilogue

It's been a stressful time for all Jack's doctors as they sit around his bedside as his recovery begins in earnest.

Doctor: *Sigh* "This has all been too much for me, Nurse. In all my weeks of medicine, I have never had such a difficult case. Maybe medicine wasn't the best career direction for me, I should give it up."

Nurse: "But Doctor, he has such a long recovery ahead, he needs you. He's a man barely alive. He needs help."

Doctor: "You're right. To the garage!"

The Doctor grabs Jack's bed and quickly wheels him off down the corridor.

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Sometime later...

Deep within a workshop, the Doctor has a group of greasy looking mechanics gathered around him. He looks far more at home than he ever did in the hospital. They all study Jack in his present condition.

Doctor: "Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to make the world's first mechanical man. Jack will be that man. Better than he was before. Better. Stronger. Faster. Da na na na, da-na da-na da-na-na-na."

Still singing to himself, and without giving any more detailed instructions, he goes to work grabbing tools, soldering torches, and various bits of metal, and begins constructing... something. The others stand around puzzled for a while before doing likewise.

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Hours pass...

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Days pass...

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Finally the crowd of mechanics, engineers and "doctors" step back and admire their handiwork. He's more machine now than man, twisted and rusty. With his iron lung, and his iron stomach, and his iron testicles, Jack now weighs significantly more than he did before the "ambulance incident", but there's no denying the Doctor is a far better engineer than he was a man of medicine.

In time Jack regains consciousness, dons his black fedora, and staggers out of the workshop and back into the real world.

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:43 PM
I admit that I did laugh when I found out that was the reason why I shuffled off this mortal coil in this game.

And come on Grunt can you really say that you didn't laugh when that hippy dude was tazed for protesting John Kerry?

It was amusing once.

But it got lame pretty fast, with people peddling bumper stickers by the next day.

(The actual slogan, not your posting.)

The Two
05-31-2010, 01:44 PM
I'm gonna start the real post-game stuff soon, I'll do role PMs and tell you what was happening each night, who killed who and all that sort of thing.

Before I do, does anybody have any questions they want answered about the game in general, their roles, or anything at all?



I went for Jman and was told it would have worked. The Two seemed really upset. Yall should probably feel extra bad about that. :p

I was devastated! I was so proud of the cult we designed. It was perfect. Strong, but not over-powered, able to grow, but not exponentially. It was perfect! All it required was for GruntMark to survive Night 1 :mad:



~Quick Question Time~

If Gruntmark had targeted me for talking sakes, would I immediatly get a new role PM and such no longer be town but cult-ist?

Yes, to be exact, you would have become: Left Testicular Cancer, Cancer Aligned Reproductive Organ

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 01:45 PM
I'm gonna start the real post-game stuff soon, I'll do role PMs and tell you what was happening each night, who killed who and all that sort of thing.

Before I do, does anybody have any questions they want answered about the game in general, their roles, or anything at all?

Yeah, I have a question..

How did I do? :3

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:46 PM
Clearly I also should have been bullet proof.

I plan to make all my scum bullet proof.

Imarevenant
05-31-2010, 01:47 PM
Clearly I also should have been bullet proof.

I plan to make all my scum bullet proof.

Make all the townies Vigs too. That would be fun :p

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 01:49 PM
Make all the townies Vigs too. That would be fun :p

Half of them vigs, half of them bombs, and add in Slim Jim's El Chupanibre as the SK.

Everyone's win condition? Make it to Day 3! :D

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 01:52 PM
Make all the townies Vigs too. That would be fun :p

I like the way you think sir.

The sheer amount of frustration would be amazing.

Course, I'd probably never get to mod again. :p

eayragt
05-31-2010, 02:10 PM
So, go on then - was someone trying to coach Destiny to be more townie?

I know he still came across as scum, but was someone trying :p? I was gutted to learn that he was actually scum, especially after his hinted ability changed from scholar to bomb and I just let it lie, thinking it was just Destiny being Destiny.

Well done town after I left. We weren't getting anywhere until that run started.

Yes on the alignment change, the details can vary from mod to mod on what you get told, so I'll let derek and Two fill in the blanks

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For those interested, guests should have full read rights now.

Danke - and a good job 'Banger in providing Destiny direct quotes to try and make him seem more townie!

And yes... you Good Cop, Bad Cop'd me good.

Kobe1724
05-31-2010, 02:14 PM
Hey does anyone know which three people I killed? I forgot? :)

I should have followed the "lynch Destiny" instinct when it was between him or zeel1. I actually was trying to help find the mafia since it didn't really matter to me who was killed.

I tried hinting to you guys that I knew the mafia had killed gruntmark night 1 (they had to have since Max Peck was the vig/said he hadn't and I was the SK), but in the process I told a bit too much about the serial killers abilities.

Where I lost the game was refusing to admit what my "ability" was or even telling people I had an ability to begin with. If I'd just claimed and left it at that then I could have killed ShadowedFlames a few nights down the line. There wasn't a lot of suspicion on me before I put it on myself with my shiftiness. :o

The other place I faltered was that once I said I had the ability to kill I wrote a really well thought up write up and several things I would say that would absolve myself of the coming Max Peck murder (followed by the ShadowedFlames murder I was going to do next), but I decided to wait until morning to post it.

By then I was dead though, unfortunately. :o

eayragt
05-31-2010, 02:17 PM
Hey does anyone know which three people I killed? I forgot? :)

Me and some others :(.

Well played - you looked like a vet in this game, with a few wild ideas but some great thinking. Unfortunately you got the hardest role to win with.

Kobe1724
05-31-2010, 02:19 PM
I also wanted to add:

I honestly missed the 2-3 pages where ShadowedFlames initially posted a list of suspected MNN killers. I just accidentally went past them. :o

Once zeel1 called me on not discussing them though I knew that excuse wouldn't fly with the attention I'd paid to other aspects of the game.

The lesson: Don't push to lynch zeel if you're scum. :D

Kobe1724
05-31-2010, 02:21 PM
Me and some others :(.

Well played - you looked like a vet in this game, with a few wild ideas but some great thinking. Unfortunately you got the hardest role to win with.

I know you pay a lot of attention to detail and have an analytical mind from that CVerse draft we did together a while back. Had to get rid of you so you didn't catch me later. :p

Thanks for the compliment btw. :)

Derek B
05-31-2010, 02:24 PM
I'm happy that it seems everyone enjoyed the game so much. Makes me think that myself and The Two done our jobs very well.

@Kobe: You killed MidnightNick, Eayragt and Max Peck. And yes, your major downfall was talking too much about your own abilities when your particular ability is one rarely seen in GDS games. Other than that, your analytical skills were fun to watch although you misunderestimate (best word ever :p) the players a lot. As others have said, you've got a lot of potential, you just need some experience so that you know how people think and you're going to be fearsome. :)

@everyone else: I think my favourite was the nurse... her repeated concussions, developing one sided romance with Jack and deep feeling of loss once Jman killed Jack's testicles made me very amused. Maturity isn't big in our house, despite both having long term girlfriends and university degrees. :D :p

The Two
05-31-2010, 02:32 PM
Yeah, I have a question..

How did I do? :3

You did good. Blocked 3 kills.

Any other questions? Anybody?

Kobe1724
05-31-2010, 02:35 PM
I'm happy that it seems everyone enjoyed the game so much. Makes me think that myself and The Two done our jobs very well.

@Kobe: You killed MidnightNick, Eayragt and Max Peck. And yes, your major downfall was talking too much about your own abilities when your particular ability is one rarely seen in GDS games. Other than that, your analytical skills were fun to watch although you misunderestimate (best word ever :p) the players a lot. As others have said, you've got a lot of potential, you just need some experience so that you know how people think and you're going to be fearsome. :)

@everyone else: I think my favourite was the nurse... her repeated concussions, developing one sided romance with Jack and deep feeling of loss once Jman killed Jack's testicles made me very amused. Maturity isn't big in our house, despite both having long term girlfriends and university degrees. :D :p

Yeah, I certainly underestimated people: My scum list over the course of the game included Destiny, zeel, jman, and either rev or max peck (leaned rev). Anyone else I accused I didn't feel all that strongly about. I was right about all of one of them, so I was clearly being outsmarted a lot this game.

I assumed that I was on the wrong track because no one took out any hits o me. :)

The Two
05-31-2010, 02:40 PM
Right, so, role PMs.

First off, Jack's Brain was in four pieces:


ShadowedFlames (was Sean McFly): Jack’s Frontal Lobe, Jack Aligned Executive Function Centre

Located at the front of the brain, you are a unique evolutionary development in humans like Jack. You are what sets Jack apart from the rest of the great apes. You possess the primary executive functions which are responsible for abstract thought, planning, and analysis.

Each night phase you may choose to analyse the remains of a deceased player to narrow down the list of possible culprits. Just PM the name of the corpse you want to analyse to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Tha Black Phenom: Jack’s Parietal Lobe, Jack Aligned Sensory Analysis Centre

Located in the upper central part of the brain, you are at the heart of the body’s sensory system. The incoming information from all of the body’s senses passes through you – everything Jack sees, hears, tastes, smells, and touches comes through you for explanation and analysis.

Each night phase you may choose to focus your senses towards one other player and investigate them to discover whether they pose any threat to Jack’s survival. Just PM the name of the player you want to investigate to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Bak42: Jack’s Temporal Lobe, Jack Aligned Speech Centre

Located on the sides of the brain, you house the body’s speech and language centres. You are responsible for Jack’s ability to form, manipulate, understand, and use words and language.

That which you give, you can also take away. Each night phase you may choose to remove the power of speech from another player for the duration of the following day phase. Just PM the name of the player you want to silence to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Zeel1: Jack’s Cerebellum, Jack Aligned Motor Skills Centre

Located at the base of the brain, at the top of the spinal cord, you house the body’s motor skills. Every movement and every gesture Jack makes is controlled by you. You have power over every muscle within Jack.

Each night phase you may use your control to paralyse another player and prevent them from moving or carrying out any actions that night. Just PM the name of the player you want to roleblock to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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They were a collective Princess. A day phase would have been skipped if all four parts had been killed.

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Just seen the time, me and Derek have a friendly poker game to attend. More later.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 02:51 PM
Fortunately for us, she (Kobe) still has a bit to learn at this point. But props are deserved. She may give crayon a run for his money for ROY if she keeps this up.

Aw hell no! Oh that's it, you're on my ****list now, buddy!

:p

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 02:56 PM
Zeel, if you're going to quote out of the scum forum, please be mindful of context.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 02:59 PM
Zeel, if you're going to quote out of the scum forum, please be mindful of context.

Is there anything about me on the board?

If not I'm not reading. :p

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 03:04 PM
Zeel, if you're going to quote out of the scum forum, please be mindful of context.

I don't think I took it out of context..I remember that phase, where she tried to build her case against me. I agree that she was very impressive, and look forward to seeing her improve in the future. I'm aiming for ROY myself, but I more than welcome competition for it, as that can be nothing but good for the community and the games.

All the same, ****list. :D

Is there anything about me on the board?

If not I'm not reading. :p

Well there was the silencing of you spoken of, and I noticed at one point they said something about you being the only one that could convince me WB wasn't scum. You and your feminine wiles! *Shakes fist.* :D

Honestly though, I don't think there was anything that could do that, I had never been more sure of someone being scum ever before then the phase after I first blocked 'Banger. As crazy as it sounds, I think I was actually more than 87% sure..which is like, the mafia equivalent of dividing by zero, I know, but I felt it.. :p

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 03:07 PM
I had a very off game. I ca't believe how bad this game was for me. I feel so ashamed. :(

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 03:09 PM
I had a very off game. I ca't believe how bad this game was for me. I feel so ashamed. :(

Aw, there there, you can't be right all the time. Atleast the Arrows call was right, and don't forget, you ended the game with a sacrifice for great justice~! Don't let it get you down, sugar, you're great at this game. *Cuddles* :)

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 03:14 PM
Destiny's last plan was to night kill MLT.

You played right into his hand by hammering him!

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 03:14 PM
Destiny's last plan was to night kill MLT.

You played right into his hand by hammering him!

Or did he play right into our hands by wanting to target the person hammering him?

Think about it.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 03:17 PM
Destiny's last plan was to night kill MLT.

You played right into his hand by hammering him!

Honestly Killing me would have been pointless.

I hammered because I had a horrible game, plus I had nothing to offer the town other than my vote. I figured I was the best option to hammer.

GruntMark
05-31-2010, 03:18 PM
Or did he play right into our hands by wanting to target the person hammering him?

Think about it.

Mind. Blown.

Anyway, fun read. Looking how it all broke down...not killing me night 1 or killing SF as originally proposed N2 coulda spun it off in a totally different direction.

Good stuff.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 03:20 PM
Honestly Killing me would have been pointless.

I hammered because I had a horrible game, plus I had nothing to offer the town other than my vote. I figured I was the best option to hammer.

Really doll, it wasn't as bad as you're making it out to be..you made a mistake is all. It happens.

If it makes you feel any better, I felt pretty good about Arrows' townieness until after the WB lynch, when I looked at my notes and realized him and Destiny were pretty much the only ones that didn't have anything to back them up.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 03:20 PM
Mind. Blown.

Anyway, fun read. Looking how it all broke down...not killing me night 1 or killing SF as originally proposed N2 coulda spun it off in a totally different direction.

Good stuff.

The Ripple Effect is mighty in Mafia, isn't it?

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 03:25 PM
I had a very off game. I ca't believe how bad this game was for me. I feel so ashamed. :(

Winning ugly is still winning. That's why Rule 1 is Rule 1.

Zeel1
05-31-2010, 03:27 PM
Winning ugly is still winning. That's why Rule 1 is Rule 1.

I realize this post is made only with the best of intentions, but I still feel the need to let you know that you should never mention the word "ugly" when addressing MLT..fair warning. :p

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 03:30 PM
Winning ugly is still winning. That's why Rule 1 is Rule 1.

This is true. Doesn't make it any easier to accept my horrible play.

I realize this post is made only with the best of intentions, but I still feel the need to let you know that you should never mention the word "ugly" when addressing MLT..fair warning. :p

What? That's not the word and you know it.

Jman2k3
05-31-2010, 04:31 PM
Awesome game. Unique and interesting. I'm just glad I won a game and survived since it's been awhile.

Actually, it was Jman. One of the things he invented was subtly called "Bigboomamine" and it was a kill. He sent it twice, once to Petrija which also meant that her lover MichiganHero had to die (c'mon, testicles as LOVERS people! :p) and also SGRaaize... though Banger was trying to kill SG on the same night when he was blocked by Zeel. I don't think Jman had a clue what he was sending at any point but the clues were all in the names. Let's see if you can guess what they were... and remember that some option never came up. :)

Pestremovin
Spyonucin
Followucin
Stoppenactin
Shieldocin
Lookovertheretin
Countwicephrine
Bigboomamine

I knew what it was but I thought they would be able to use the kill on their targets instead of it killing them. My bad.

I dont know all the rules.

I went for Jman and was told it would have worked. The Two seemed really upset. Yall should probably feel extra bad about that. :p

But anyway, Jman was a pancreas, so that makes extra sense, with pancreatic cancer and all.

I suppose I was limited, otherwise why bother telling me it would have worked?

Interesting. Inventor in a cult would have wrecked shop with my kill ability lol.

Kobe1724
05-31-2010, 05:25 PM
I don't think I took it out of context..I remember that phase, where she tried to build her case against me. I agree that she was very impressive, and look forward to seeing her improve in the future. I'm aiming for ROY myself, but I more than welcome competition for it, as that can be nothing but good for the community and the games.

All the same, ****list. :D



Well there was the silencing of you spoken of, and I noticed at one point they said something about you being the only one that could convince me WB wasn't scum. You and your feminine wiles! *Shakes fist.* :D

Honestly though, I don't think there was anything that could do that, I had never been more sure of someone being scum ever before then the phase after I first blocked 'Banger. As crazy as it sounds, I think I was actually more than 87% sure..which is like, the mafia equivalent of dividing by zero, I know, but I felt it.. :p

Hey, where is this scum forum? :D

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 05:34 PM
http://thevestigialityclub.freeforums.org/

For those interested, guests should have full read rights now.

Here you go.

Kobe1724
05-31-2010, 05:35 PM
Here you go.

Thanks. :)

mjdgoldeneye
05-31-2010, 09:48 PM
That was a pretty strong group of scum there. Hard to lynch sorts of people.

Once I was killed, I had a strong idea of who the scum were. It could have just been coincidental, but there are few people who consider me a threat when I'm not being obvious about it.

I roleblocked Destiny on Night 1 and Wallbanger on Night 3. I guess I was right about Destiny after all... :p

So... Yea... That's all I remember worth mentioning. Great jorb, dudes.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 09:52 PM
That was a pretty strong group of scum there. Hard to lynch sorts of people.

Once I was killed, I had a strong idea of who the scum were. It could have just been coincidental, but there are few people who consider me a threat when I'm not being obvious about it.

I roleblocked Destiny on Night 1 and Wallbanger on Night 3. I guess I was right about Destiny after all... :p

So... Yea... That's all I remember worth mentioning. Great jorb, dudes.

Ahem. Not all of us are dudes ya know? :D

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 09:54 PM
That was a pretty strong group of scum there. Hard to lynch sorts of people.

Once I was killed, I had a strong idea of who the scum were. It could have just been coincidental, but there are few people who consider me a threat when I'm not being obvious about it.

I roleblocked Destiny on Night 1 and Wallbanger on Night 3. I guess I was right about Destiny after all... :p

So... Yea... That's all I remember worth mentioning. Great jorb, dudes.

So you were a roleblocker too?

Wallbanger
05-31-2010, 09:56 PM
And while I'm thinking about it...I got my hit off N3. It was only when Zeel started targeting me that I got blocked.

Crychon
05-31-2010, 10:07 PM
This was a really fun game, glad I ended up getting involved.

mjdgoldeneye
05-31-2010, 10:11 PM
Ahem. Not all of us are dudes ya know? :D

You're still a dude to me!

...

No, that doesn't make sense. You are not a dude at all!

So you were a roleblocker too?

And while I'm thinking about it...I got my hit off N3. It was only when Zeel started targeting me that I got blocked.

Well, unless I was a fake roleblocker or someone made a mistake or there were shenanigans, I most certainly targeted you that night. I sent in a PM for Destiny and exactly an hour later, I changed it to you.

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 10:14 PM
You're still a dude to me!

...

No, that doesn't make sense. You are not a dude at all!


Make up your mind man!!!


You know I'm still super mad at myself. The day we lynched Bossman I knew he wasn't jack aligned. I KNEW it. The gift Jman gave me allowed me a one shot investigate. I used it on him and got the result. Once he came out and claimed a miller type role I was like Oh ok duh i believe it do de do.

/runs off to kick herself some more.

Derek B
05-31-2010, 10:18 PM
You're still a dude to me!

...

No, that doesn't make sense. You are not a dude at all!





Well, unless I was a fake roleblocker or someone made a mistake or there were shenanigans, I most certainly targeted you that night. I sent in a PM for Destiny and exactly an hour later, I changed it to you.

Night 3 was a fun one. MJD blocked Banger who was out to kill SG, but Jman sent a bomb to SG and killed him anyways. Wasn't easy to tell who done that kill from the write up, but it's one of the two references to sulphur... though I did forget to add the *pop* to the first write up. The red and white blood cells dying on the same night was entirely coincidental. :)

btw, The Two got riotously drunk tonight and is currently... well, he loves me a lot. I'm going to mock him about this night for a very, very long time. Also, I won at poker. I knew I would, I'm awesome. :) ;) :cool:

mjdgoldeneye
05-31-2010, 10:24 PM
So I did something vaguely good! I had no impact on the result at all, but I still chose a scum killer! :cool:

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 10:25 PM
Night 3 was a fun one. MJD blocked Banger who was out to kill SG, but Jman sent a bomb to SG and killed him anyways. Wasn't easy to tell who done that kill from the write up, but it's one of the two references to sulphur... though I did forget to add the *pop* to the first write up. The red and white blood cells dying on the same night was entirely coincidental. :)

btw, The Two got riotously drunk tonight and is currently... well, he loves me a lot. I'm going to mock him about this night for a very, very long time. Also, I won at poker. I knew I would, I'm awesome. :) ;) :cool:

Congratz. :D

I love poker. Did you win a lot of moneyz? :D

Derek B
05-31-2010, 10:34 PM
Congratz. :D

I love poker. Did you win a lot of moneyz? :D

Nah, since none of us had played properly before we avoided cash. But that does mean I've now played twice and won twice... though The Two was so drunk he couldn't even deal by the end, so we all went all in for funsies and I won with 4 queens. Things had gotten very silly by then but it was hella fun. Maybe money next time, though we were all careful players so I can't see it meaning much any time. Beer for all, that's the important thing. :)

Anywho, bed now. 4:30am and I've got work in about 9 1/2 hours. I suspect I'm going to be sleepy... and The Two is going to be hungover, an experience I don't believe he's ever had before if his drunken ramblings are to be believed. :D

moon_lit_tears
05-31-2010, 10:38 PM
Nah, since none of us had played properly before we avoided cash. But that does mean I've now played twice and won twice... though The Two was so drunk he couldn't even deal by the end, so we all went all in for funsies and I won with 4 queens. Things had gotten very silly by then but it was hella fun. Maybe money next time, though we were all careful players so I can't see it meaning much any time. Beer for all, that's the important thing. :)

Anywho, bed now. 4:30am and I've got work in about 9 1/2 hours. I suspect I'm going to be sleepy... and The Two is going to be hungover, an experience I don't believe he's ever had before if his drunken ramblings are to be believed. :D


Ah!. If you enjoy playing you should try one of the Poker sites. I go to one and play for cash. I don't win much (Well lately) but I play both free and cash games. :D

You need to dress him up like a girl and take pictures. That would be sweet. :D

BHK1978
05-31-2010, 10:53 PM
Yes on the alignment change, the details can vary from mod to mod on what you get told, so I'll let derek and Two fill in the blanks

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http://thevestigialityclub.freeforums.org/

For those interested, guests should have full read rights now.

Thank you Banger for posting that! It is always cool to see how the other half think.

Oh and it was cool to see Destiny out of character.:D

petrija
06-01-2010, 12:50 AM
Make up your mind man!!!


You know I'm still super mad at myself. The day we lynched Bossman I knew he wasn't jack aligned. I KNEW it. The gift Jman gave me allowed me a one shot investigate. I used it on him and got the result. Once he came out and claimed a miller type role I was like Oh ok duh i believe it do de do.

/runs off to kick herself some more.

..So why'd you try to mark it off as intuition, after, then?

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 06:30 AM
..So why'd you try to mark it off as intuition, after, then?


Because everyone was making a big deal about an ability. I figured it was the best way.

SGRaaize
06-01-2010, 08:23 AM
Great game, guys
We won :D

The Two
06-01-2010, 11:12 AM
Good to see Derek kept you all informed about last night's events. And yes, I still feel pretty rough. Never been that drunk before.

So, where was I? Role PMs!


Midnightnick: Jack’s Left Lung, Jack Aligned Pulmonary Organ

You form one half of Jack’s respiratory system, keeping the right level of oxygen in the bloodstream and expelling unwanted carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

That’s no small job, and you are joined in the task by the Right Lung (Moon_lit_tears) with whom you may communicate outside the thread.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Moon_lit_tears: Jack’s Right Lung, Jack Aligned Pulmonary Organ

You form one half of Jack’s respiratory system, keeping the right level of oxygen in the bloodstream and expelling unwanted carbon dioxide into the atmosphere.

That’s no small job, and you are joined in the task by the Left Lung (Midnightnick) with whom you may communicate outside the thread.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Eayragt: Jack’s White Blood Cells, Jack Aligned Immune System

You are Jack’s first line of defence. You are the driving force of his immune system, isolating and eliminating any foreign agent which attempts to unsettle or harm his system.

Each night phase you may put your defensive power to good use and amass yourself around another player to protect them from harm for the duration of the phase. Just PM the name of the player you wish to protect to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Jman2k3: Jack’s Pancreas, Jack Aligned Endocrine Gland

Located in the abdomen, just below the stomach, you are key to both Jack’s digestive and endocrine systems. As an endocrine gland, you are responsible for regulating Jack’s system by constantly producing a wide variety of hormones and enzymes which enable other parts of the body to work more effectively.

Each night phase you will receive a choice of your two latest creations and you may choose which you wish to send and to which other player by PM-ing their name to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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BHK1978: Jack’s Eyes, Jack Aligned Optic System

You are Jack’s eyes. Despite what some crazy Christians may have told you, you are evidence of the genius of evolution; from tiny light-sensitive cells, through a million tiny steps of increasing complexity, to create the perfect human eye.

You see all. Each night phase you may put that vision to good use by watching another player to discover whether they have received any attention that phase. Just PM the name of the player you want to watch to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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SGRaaize: Jack’s Red Blood Cells, Jack Aligned Oxygen Delivery System

You are the most common cells in Jack’s bloodstream, taking oxygen from the lungs to every cell in his body, the fuel that keeps him alive. You are the truckers, forever negotiating the highways of his bloodstream, a vast network of veins and arteries. You can go anywhere, you can be everywhere.

Each night phase you may choose another player to follow throughout Jack’s body, wherever they may go, and learn their destination. Just PM the name of the player you wish to track to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Imarevenant: Jack’s Heart, Jack Aligned Cardiac Organ

You are a hugely powerful muscular organ, pumping blood throughout Jack’s body. On average you beat 72 times per minute, 103,680 times per day, more than 2.5 billion in a lifetime. You govern the flow of blood through the vast network of veins and arteries to every corner of the body.

Each night phase you may choose, by controlling the bloodflow, to redirect another player to a location of your choice. Whatever action, if any, they intend to carry out on one player, you can make them (unbeknownst to themselves) conduct them on another. Just PM the name of the player you wish to redirect, and the player you wish them to target to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Max Peck: Jack’s Stomach, Jack Aligned Digestive Organ

Located in the upper left of the abdominal cavity, you are a muscular bag of hydrochloric acid and digestive enzymes. You serve Jack well as an integral part of his digestive system by breaking down food and enabling it to pass harmlessly through his system.

Of course, as you possess a potentially endless supply of hydrochloric acid, that could be a dangerous weapon. Each night phase you may choose to absorb another player and dissolve them in acid. Simply PM the night of the player you wish to kill to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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MJDGoldeneye: Jack’s Intestines, Jack Aligned Gastric Organ

You are Jack’s Intestines, working in the dark you process waste matter and prepare it for expulsion from the body. It’s an unpleasant job but somebody has to do it.

You are a muscular tube, measuring more than seven metres in length, neatly packed away in Jack’s lower torso. The sheer scale of your length, every inch rapped in muscle, gives you unexpected power.

Each night you may wrap yourself around another player, restricting their movements and preventing them from carrying out any activities they have planned. Just PM the name of the player you wish to roleblock to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Crychon / SuperOwens: Jack’s Liver, Jack Aligned Hepatic Organ

Lying below the diaphragm in the thoracic region of the abdomen, you are one of the most important organs in Jack’s body. Among many other functions, you play a vital role in detoxification and the immune system. You sieve and purify the blood, breaking down harmful substances or modifying them to make them harmless.

Each night phase you may dedicate your purifying efforts to protect another player from anything harmful that comes their way. Just PM the name of the player you wish to protect to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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MichiganHero: Jack’s Left Testicle, Jack Aligned Reproductive Organ

Jack is a virile young man, at the height of his reproductive powers. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you what you do for Jack. You may live in the dark, but you are not alone. You are the Left, but you have your ever-present friend the… *ahem*… let’s just call him the Centre… with you. As such, you can speak for two.

When it comes time to vote for which players are working against Jack, your vote will count Double.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

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Petrija: Jack’s Right Testicle, Jack Aligned Reproductive Organ

Jack is a virile young man, at the height of his reproductive powers. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you what you do for Jack.

As the saying goes, there isn’t much Jack would give his Right Nut for, he wouldn’t want to lose you and it would take a lot of convincing for him to give you up. As a result, it would take a two-thirds majority to achieve your lynch.

You win when all threats to Jack have been eliminated.

The Two
06-01-2010, 11:20 AM
So that's the Town, and here's the Scum.


Destiny: Jack’s Appendix, Mafia Aligned Don

For too long they have called you a throwback, an evolutionary leftover, but no more. You have finally had enough of being impugned and insulted. “Useless,” they call you. “Redundant,” they say. You’ll show them.

You’ve done it before, like the day you almost killed a young Derek_B, leading directly to him having a conversation with his flatmate some ten years later during which it occurred to both of them that that would be a great idea for a Mafia Game. (Oooh, meta.)

This time you know you’re not alone, there are other equally maligned organs with the power to do damage, and this time you’re all in it together. By working together you know you can destroy Jack from the inside.

Your team mates in this effort are,
Jack’s Tonsils – Arrows
Jack’s Gallbladder – Wallbanger
Jack’s Tapeworm – Masterded
With whom you can speak outside the thread.

As leader of your group, you will appear Jack Aligned under investigation.
You are presently an inflamed appendix, but if anybody tries to kill you, it will inflame you further and you will burst, taking them with you.

You win when you equal or out number the town.

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Arrows: Jack’s Tonsils, Mafia Aligned Silencer

You got the call from the Appendix a few days ago. He’s putting together a posse and you’re not going to turn him down.

For too long they have called you a throwback, an evolutionary leftover, but no more. You have finally had enough of being impugned and insulted. “Useless,” they call you. “Redundant,” they say. You’ll show them.

Your team mates in this effort are,
Jack’s Appendix – Destiny
Jack’s Gallbladder – Wallbanger
Jack’s Tapeworm – Masterded
With whom you can speak outside the thread. You know that by working together you can destroy Jack from the inside.

Each night phase you must choose which other player you wish to silence and prevent from participating in the following day phase. Just PM the name of the player you wish to silence to The Two and Derek_B.


You win when you equal or out number the town.

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Wallbanger: Jack’s Gallbladder, Mafia Aligned Hitman

You got the call from the Appendix a few days ago. He’s putting together a posse and you’re not going to turn him down.

For too long they have called you a throwback, an evolutionary leftover, but no more. You have finally had enough of being impugned and insulted. “Useless,” they call you. “Redundant,” they say. You’ll show them.

Your team mates in this effort are,
Jack’s Appendix – Destiny
Jack’s Tonsils – Arrows
Jack’s Tapeworm – Masterded
With whom you can speak outside the thread. You know that by working together you can destroy Jack from the inside.

Each night phase you must choose which other player you wish to assassinate by PMing their name to The Two and Derek_B.


You win when you equal or out number the town.

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Masterded: Jack’s Tapeworm, Mafia Aligned Invader

Six months ago, Jack did something rather foolish. Stumbling drunkenly from a local watering hole at 3am one Sunday morning, his judgement impaired by the blood pumping through his alcohol stream, he decided to entrust his digestive future to Greasy Eddie’s All-Night Mobile Burger Van. Unfortunately for Jack, of Greasy Eddie’s many talents – cutting corners, swearing, sweating profusely - cooking a decent burger has never been one of them.

Luckily for you, hiding inside the half-cooked burger was a tiny egg – your embryonic form. As you tumbled through Jack’s digestive system, the warmth of his body heat enabled you to hatch and latch on to the inside of his digestive tract. And there you have lived these past six months, growing ever longer and fatter. When the Appendix went looking for superfluous parts of Jack to join in his quest, it’s inevitable he would reach out to you, a malignant invader.

Your team mates in this effort are,
Jack’s Appendix – Destiny
Jack’s Tonsils – Arrows
Jack’s Gallbladder – Masterded
With whom you can speak outside the thread. You know that by working together you can destroy Jack from the inside.


The only way you’ve survived this long inside Jack is by being a mimic and hiding in plain sight. You will receive a PM from the Mods during each Day Phase informing you of the ability you will adopt that night. You can then choose each Night Phase to use that ability by PM-ing your target to The Two and Derek_B.

You win when you equal or out number the town.

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GruntMark: A Cancer Cell, Cancer Aligned Corrosive Influence

You were once like all of them, an average cell going about your business, doing what you were told, working 24 hours a day to serve Jack. But then one day you saw the light, you saw your potential, your destiny to become greater than all of them put together. On that day you stopped working for Jack and started working to build your own legacy.

Now you look upon your former colleagues and you pity them. Millions of cells, unaware of the potential they possess, never thinking to take matters into their own hands. You realise that the way for you to achieve greatness is to liberate them, to show them the strength they can have if they work alongside you.

On any Night Phase you can choose to metastasize, to reach out and attempt to recruit another player to join your team. Just PM the name of the player you wish to recruit to The Two and Derek_B. If you are successful, it will take time for you to solidify your position and you will be unable to recruit on the following Night Phase.

You win when you have infected all remaining players.

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Kobe1724: Hospital Food, Independent Aligned Lethal Weapon

You’ve killed many sick and vulnerable people in your time. You’re a dangerous substance, never to be trusted. They come to you looking for strength, for energy, for support, but instead you take them down from the inside with your low budget, mass produced, under cooked food. All you really want is for people to stop eating you, but if they won’t take the hint you’ll just have to kill them all.

Each night you may choose your next target to pick off. Just PM the name of the player you wish to kill to The Two and Derek_B. You will then give food poisoning to that player. You are a slow acting killer. The infected player will survive for the following Day Phase, unaware their death is imminent, before succumbing to the poison the subsequent Night Phase.

You win when you are the last man standing.

Wallbanger
06-01-2010, 12:14 PM
You were really counting on the cult to get a foothold, werent' you?

Because I'm looking at these town roles and...well...

An unrestricted forensic investigator
Investigator
Silencer
Roleblocker x2
Masons x2
Protector x2
Inventor
Watcher
Tracker
Unrestricted redirector
Vigilante
Doublevoter
Beloved Townie

That's a pretty stacked lineup.

The Two
06-01-2010, 12:59 PM
You were really counting on the cult to get a foothold, werent' you?

Because I'm looking at these town roles and...well...

An unrestricted forensic investigator
Investigator
Silencer
Roleblocker x2
Masons x2
Protector x2
Inventor
Watcher
Tracker
Unrestricted redirector
Vigilante
Doublevoter
Beloved Townie

That's a pretty stacked lineup.
What about the pair of lovers? The collective princess? Not forgetting that the Vig could hurt as well as help the town, in this case he killed the watcher. On top of that, the Inventor killed another 3 townies.

And yeah, we expected the cult to be a significant threat too. Lets not forget whose fault it was that didn't happen :p

You also know that the mafia weren't exactly under-powered either, and we had a hard to catch SK in there as well.

I maintain this was a well balanced game.

Destiny
06-01-2010, 01:00 PM
We were severely unlucky in killing off the cult in the first night, but I think we did the best we could.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 01:06 PM
We were severely unlucky in killing off the cult in the first night, but I think we did the best we could.



I am still curious why Nick pushed Grunt on Day 1. I never got an answer on that one. :D

I was like HOLY COW when Grunt came up Cancer. :confused:

Jman2k3
06-01-2010, 01:07 PM
What about the pair of lovers? The collective princess? Not forgetting that the Vig could hurt as well as help the town, in this case he killed the watcher. On top of that, the Inventor killed another 3 townies.

And yeah, we expected the cult to be a significant threat too. Lets not forget whose fault it was that didn't happen :p

You also know that the mafia weren't exactly under-powered either, and we had a hard to catch SK in there as well.

I maintain this was a well balanced game.

Hey now in all fairness I thought my bombs wouldn't explode on impact. The Two trick me. Damns you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Destiny
06-01-2010, 01:08 PM
I think it was just midnightpick picking a random player to target, as he is a big advocator of the "risk versus reward" attitude.

MichiganHero
06-01-2010, 01:14 PM
Hey now in all fairness I thought my bombs wouldn't explode on impact. The Two trick me. Damns you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

One thing is bugging me...why did you target Pet in that unfateful night?

The Two
06-01-2010, 01:25 PM
Hey now in all fairness I thought my bombs wouldn't explode on impact. The Two trick me. Damns you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

What did you expect a bomb to do?

MichiganHero
06-01-2010, 01:25 PM
What did you expect a bomb to do?

Give candy? Make burgers? Not explode? Heal hangovers? :p

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 01:36 PM
Give candy? Make burgers? Not explode? Heal hangovers? :p

Well there are Jager bombs. :D

Those things can do a LOT. :D

BHK1978
06-01-2010, 01:39 PM
I am still curious why Nick pushed Grunt on Day 1. I never got an answer on that one. :D

I was like HOLY COW when Grunt came up Cancer. :confused:

If I had to guess, because they are both good players. That was the reason why I watched MNN the first night because I knew he tends to die early. It was actually between him, Arrows, and Grunt. Probably should have went with Arrows looking back on it.

Wallbanger
06-01-2010, 01:53 PM
What about the pair of lovers? The collective princess? Not forgetting that the Vig could hurt as well as help the town, in this case he killed the watcher. On top of that, the Inventor killed another 3 townies.

And yeah, we expected the cult to be a significant threat too. Lets not forget whose fault it was that didn't happen :p

You also know that the mafia weren't exactly under-powered either, and we had a hard to catch SK in there as well.

I maintain this was a well balanced game.\

If the cult gets past N1, it definitely opens things up, but it still relies on the cult getting the right people.

Killing 20% of the townies to get a day skip was going to be a reach regardless.

It's the redundancy in two of the most powerful roles (roleblocker and protector) and the unrestricted nature of the redirector (not a bus driver, which has some risk naturally attached to it) and the FI (a mistake I made in R&B), that raise my eyebrows. Even with the cult fully active, that's a lot of firepower for the town.

Out of curiosity, what other things could 'the random gods of fate' have granted m-ded? Because while what he got (watching, framing, rolecop, and info) was useful, Jman got to choose and seemed to have access to a wider variety of tools.

For the cult, all you had to do was give Grunt one 'get out of death free' card to circumvent dying before he had a chance to have one recruit.

Wallbanger
06-01-2010, 01:54 PM
Hey now in all fairness I thought my bombs wouldn't explode on impact. The Two trick me. Damns you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :p

Otherwise you'd have given your Big Boomers to Destiny, right?

The Two
06-01-2010, 02:17 PM
If the cult gets past N1, it definitely opens things up, but it still relies on the cult getting the right people.

Killing 20% of the townies to get a day skip was going to be a reach regardless.

It's the redundancy in two of the most powerful roles (roleblocker and protector) and the unrestricted nature of the redirector (not a bus driver, which has some risk naturally attached to it) and the FI (a mistake I made in R&B), that raise my eyebrows. Even with the cult fully active, that's a lot of firepower for the town.
It's like anything, it all changes depending on whether players "get the right people". I was hoping for situations like the cult recruiting one of the lung masons, or one testicle so the lovers would hurt town and cult simultaneously, obviously none of it happened, but it would have been fun.

Also, don't know if you'd call it a restriction, but the FI's list would get longer the further removed from the kill it was. If you investigated GruntMark on Night 8 it would be a far longer list than on Night 2.

There were also a number of mechanics associated with the cult but I don't want to say too much because with it going basically unused, I'll probably keep it for a later game.

Out of curiosity, what other things could 'the random gods of fate' have granted m-ded? Because while what he got (watching, framing, rolecop, and info) was useful, Jman got to choose and seemed to have access to a wider variety of tools.

Masterded's random abilities were a role cop, a silencer, an additional kill, a watcher, a redirect, a framer, and getting fake claim info.

Jman2k3 could give one shot kills, watches, tracks, roleblocks, bulletproof, investigations, redirects, double votes, triple votes, and silences. Oh, and bombs which would kill the person receiveing them.

Both were done on a weighted 1-100 scale. For example, the triple vote had a 1% chance, whereas others were more probable.

Jman received a choice of two items each night.

For the cult, all you had to do was give Grunt one 'get out of death free' card to circumvent dying before he had a chance to have one recruit.
Well yeah, but I didn't think it would be necessary, the chances of him dying on the first night seemed very slim.

eayragt
06-01-2010, 03:15 PM
I'll have to admit, that was a pretty stacked town. Would have been interesting if Cancer really got going, but meh - I've been mafia facing a powerful town before when the Cult has gone, I'll take being town this time around.

The Two
06-01-2010, 03:40 PM
We were both perfectly happy that we designed a well balanced game in which everybody (Town, Mafia, Cult and even Cereal Killer) all had a fair chance to win the game.

My last comment on the matter is that it's amusing to be accused of having an over-powered town when, up until Day 5, we were expecting to be accused of not giving the town a chance and making the scum too strong. I guess you just can't win.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 04:11 PM
To be honest, I have said this before. You can't please everyone. I enjoyed the game and my opinion is the only one that matters. :p

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 04:23 PM
That was because the most active scum hunter was ME. Scum.

The town did **** all. They sat around and didn't bother trying to play.


What the f^ck are you talking about?

You went inactive for 90% of the game. You helped lynch one person. You so deserve MVP for that.

Tha Black Phenom
06-01-2010, 04:30 PM
Who dare thou killst me early. Whoever pulled the trigger, I will come over and egg your house.

Anyway, good game. Look at that, AGAIN I was the investigator. When will the trend ever stop! Liked the mechanics for this, anyone who disagrees I will come over and egg their house.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 04:32 PM
SF did EVERY other lynch on his own.

Zeel MIGHT have helped a bit there at the end.

For the first HALF of the game, until SF started HANDING you people scum on a silver platter, you sat around and did ****ing nothing.

You are so right. This game consisted of just the two of you and f^ck everyone else.

I won't fight with you because it's pointless. Anyway TWO DEREK the game was awesome thank you. :)

Wallbanger
06-01-2010, 04:38 PM
What the f^ck are you talking about?

You went inactive for 90% of the game. You helped lynch one person. You so deserve MVP for that.

Sorry, but this is an exaggeration.

He was following the scum board regularly for a good part of the game - even when RL was getting in the way. Never mind he was the #4 poster in the game.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 04:41 PM
Sorry, but this is an exaggeration.

He was following the scum board regularly for a good part of the game - even when RL was getting in the way. Never mind he was the #4 poster in the game.


I am talking about on here. Yeah in the beginning he was here. Then he stopped posting for days. Came back and made posts that pretty much ssaid FU to everyone. But whatever....

The Two
06-01-2010, 05:11 PM
Play nicely, children.

mjdgoldeneye
06-01-2010, 05:17 PM
Name one townie who did ANYTHING prior to SF handing us Kobe?

*Crickets*

OH. None of you. That's right!

Name one townie who did anything but follow SF's lists?

Zeel, blocking Banger.

Outside of those 2, NONE of the town did a damn thing. NONE of us would've been lynched had it not been for those 2. We played you all like ****ing flutes and in the end it was all of you role claiming vital body parts and SF getting lists every night while Zeel made sure we had no kill.

That's TWO townies.

Two.

The rest of you deserve **** all.

Interesting, considering I myself said this:

Nothing will every end well for the town if the town does nothing but sit on their hands and wait for concrete information. You're both new players, so I can't say I'm especially suspicious, but this isn't a straight-up lynch vote. It's a "let's see where this goes" pressure vote.

Also, it's worth noting that voting with no intent of ever lynching anyone will end in a claimpocalypse and that's no good either.

If Destiny gives us something we can buy (for now at least), we move on. If not, we lynch.

This isn't on nothing, by the way. Just look at the questions revolving around this phase and what was suggested about Destiny. This seems like a worthy route at the least.

I was working on building a case against Destiny and Wallbanger because I thought they were scum. Unfortunately, I wasn't sure and didn't want to out myself AND be wrong. It turns out my instincts were right, but my hypotheses were wrong. (I didn't block a kill by blocking Destiny, did I? If not, then my reasoning was off.) I needed something to give me an excuse to push. I don't know if you know this, but my history of pushing things on a "trust me" basis haven't ended well at all. ;)

I blocked the don and hitman within the first 3 freakin night phases. Yea... I was completely useless... :rolleyes:

Considering I was silenced and killed before Day 5, what else could you possibly expect from a lone player? Your generalization certainly isn't accurate.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 05:45 PM
You know what? I find this whole thing funny. Arrows I am glad the game was won by one person. I think you deserve a medal or smething for being such a great player. I mean what the hell every game you play in you are he best. No one can touch your skill.

With that being said I am going to let this one go because it's not worth the time it takes me to type this w hen I could be doing other things. :D

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 06:03 PM
!. The attitude I have is at you being an ass. Nothing different there though.

2. When did I say I had a great game? Please point that out?
I never claimed to. I said I had a bad game. I guess you forgot to read that part.

It's ok though. Go ahead and keep ranting like a baby about how everyone but you sucks, and I will not care.

The Two
06-01-2010, 06:11 PM
Arrows, this is still my thread, and I'm going to politely ask you to calm down and stop being rude and insulting to other players.

This argument is over.

Kobe1724
06-01-2010, 06:35 PM
I think everyone played well, although I really wish I'd killed ShadowedFlames. :o

Would really like to be the serial killer again in the future, it was fun. :D

I read the scum forum. I'm curious: If you guys had figured out I was the SK before the town did would you have killed me or just allowed me continue killing and hoped I didn't off one of you?

BHK1978
06-01-2010, 06:38 PM
I think everyone played well, although I really wish I'd killed ShadowedFlames. :o

Would really like to be the serial killer again in the future, it was fun. :D

I read the scum forum. I'm curious: If you guys had figured out I was the SK before the town did would you have killed me or just allowed me continue killing and hoped I didn't off one of you?

You are so lucky that you got the SK role in your first game! I would love to be an SK just once.:D Heck I would settle for Scum just once.

ShadowedFlames
06-01-2010, 06:46 PM
You are so lucky that you got the SK role in your first game! I would love to be an SK just once.:D Heck I would settle for Scum just once.

I've had the SK 3 times; next time I have it I'll give it to you. :D And Kobe: so-called "SK deals" rarely happen. I think I've only seen it twice during my time in GDS mafia, and it never ends well for the SK. You did as well as you could given your circumstances; you've nothing to be ashamed of in your first game. :)

Jman2k3
06-01-2010, 06:50 PM
One thing is bugging me...why did you target Pet in that unfateful night?

What did you expect a bomb to do?

I gave her the bomb with the intent for her to use it on someone. I thought they would recieve my invention and they would target someone with it and kill them that way.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 06:50 PM
I'd love a SK role again. :D

BHK1978
06-01-2010, 06:56 PM
I've had the SK 3 times; next time I have it I'll give it to you. :D And Kobe: so-called "SK deals" rarely happen. I think I've only seen it twice during my time in GDS mafia, and it never ends well for the SK. You did as well as you could given your circumstances; you've nothing to be ashamed of in your first game. :)

I would love to take it, and you could get my Watcher/Investigator/Tracker role that I always seem to end up with.:D

Forgot to say, Kobe you did a great job in this game! Now all you have to do is figure out what the heck we are going to do with Japan in our mod (cheap plug)...:D

Comradebot
06-01-2010, 07:40 PM
I've had the SK 3 times; next time I have it I'll give it to you. :D And Kobe: so-called "SK deals" rarely happen. I think I've only seen it twice during my time in GDS mafia, and it never ends well for the SK. You did as well as you could given your circumstances; you've nothing to be ashamed of in your first game. :)

The biggest problem with making one, as an SK, is the town at least have to believe they NEED the help in order to win, even if they don't... And even if the town really does need the help of the SK to stand a chance, they may not realize or believe it. Tis what happened to me as the Janitor in Scrubs: I even showed my very honest math that showed that either they lynch red scum ASAP OR the town WOULD lose within just a couple of phases... even so, they decided to go ahead and lynch me. What happened? Town lost a couple of phases later.

Which boggles my mind to then look at SFC, where there was really no reason to keep the SK around yet they did. But the town was like a headless chicken in that one anyways, hehe.

Just remember folks: the mafia groups are typically much, much closer to victory than the SK.

Midnightnick
06-01-2010, 07:44 PM
I am still curious why Nick pushed Grunt on Day 1. I never got an answer on that one. :D

I was like HOLY COW when Grunt came up Cancer. :confused:

I said.

If man is 5, then the devil is 6.

It's gut.

Comradebot
06-01-2010, 07:44 PM
I said.

If man is 5, then the devil is 6.

It's gut.

Zombie.

moon_lit_tears
06-01-2010, 08:17 PM
I said.

If man is 5, then the devil is 6.

It's gut.


Yes I got that. It was hilarious too. :D

I wish you had survived longer. I might not have sucked as much. :D

Wallbanger
06-01-2010, 09:45 PM
I read the scum forum. I'm curious: If you guys had figured out I was the SK before the town did would you have killed me or just allowed me continue killing and hoped I didn't off one of you?

Depends on the context. In an optimal situation we want you around; you help whittle the town down and you're a way to keep attention off of us. If we feel like you have to go (for instance, if you indeed take one of us out), we want to play an active part in getting rid of you to bolster our credibility.

I'm always wary about SK 'deals'. First of all, I think SK deals go against the spirit of playing to your win condition, especially going against scum on behalf of the town. Second, depending on the circumstances, scum can turn that back on the town too easily, as anything that doesn't go as planned for the SK means they're likely getting lynched at the next opportunity.

ShadowedFlames
06-01-2010, 10:38 PM
Depends on the context. In an optimal situation we want you around; you help whittle the town down and you're a way to keep attention off of us. If we feel like you have to go (for instance, if you indeed take one of us out), we want to play an active part in getting rid of you to bolster our credibility.

I'm always wary about SK 'deals'. First of all, I think SK deals go against the spirit of playing to your win condition, especially going against scum on behalf of the town. Second, depending on the circumstances, scum can turn that back on the town too easily, as anything that doesn't go as planned for the SK means they're likely getting lynched at the next opportunity.

I agree with Banger here. There's a sort of strategy to playing as an SK, especially if you're not given a lot of ways to compensate for the fact that you're an indy scum. The "SK deal" is a last resort and by then you're better off being lynched, as you're then messing up the balance of the game by effectively becoming a town Vig. If you find yourself at this point, it is far better (and probably proper Mafia etiquette) to try to lie, cheat, and steal your way out of a predicament like that.

With that said, if you have time, look back at some of the Mafia games played in 2009; it was the best year for SK/indy roles on these forums that I can recall. I would almost go so far as to make that required reading for anyone drawing an SK role, but I don't have that sort of clout around these parts. :rolleyes: Outbreak, Sci-Fi Chaos, and Power Rangers are likely your three best options in that respect.

mjdgoldeneye
06-01-2010, 10:39 PM
There's "playing your win condition" and "playing your intended part". They don't always overlap completely.

Also, a branch of "playing your win condition" is "taking the immediate path of least resistance" which is rationalization for a generally poor course of action.

If, say, you're a serial killer and you are an option for being lynched. You can either get lynched/risk being lynched and stick to a fake claim or no claim or you can admit to being a serial killer and offer your abilities to the town.

Here you have to consider what you have and what you lose by outing yourself. If you are an individually aligned serial killer and out yourself as thus, you have virtually no chance of winning. If it comes down to 3 people, it's pretty clear that you're the one going down. If you don't out yourself, worst case scenario is you get lynched anyway.

You figure you might as well by yourself the extra time and out yourself, right? Because, that means you have a slightly better chance of winning, right?

Well, to that, I say "No, and even so, who cares?"

You aren't going to win if you out yourself as a serial killer. If you do, the win is meaningless because the game is broken (unless you somehow do this right at the end and totally mindscrew people, but that is obviously a different scenario).

By biting the bullet and trying to pull out of the hole with a fake claim, you keep the integrity of the game intact. No matter what, you have nothing to gain by buying yourself 2 phases or whatever. You don't gather experience points by living slightly longer and still losing. You can try to justify it however you want, but common sense rules.

You still have something to lose by outing yourself as a serial killer and making a town deal just puts salt in the wounds. Don't do it. You are not helping yourself in any quantitative way and you're doing harm to some alignment somewhere and I'm sure those players would rather you not do it.

That's my stance.

(And don't bring up my lizard SK role because I didn't really know what I could claim. If I had everything straightened out, I'd have went with town vig and never admitted to killing a townie, let alone 3 or 4. I'm the guy who stuck to Liquid Man to the bitter end!)

Midnightnick
06-01-2010, 11:50 PM
There's "playing your win condition" and "playing your intended part". They don't always overlap completely.

Also, a branch of "playing your win condition" is "taking the immediate path of least resistance" which is rationalization for a generally poor course of action.

If, say, you're a serial killer and you are an option for being lynched. You can either get lynched/risk being lynched and stick to a fake claim or no claim or you can admit to being a serial killer and offer your abilities to the town.

Here you have to consider what you have and what you lose by outing yourself. If you are an individually aligned serial killer and out yourself as thus, you have virtually no chance of winning. If it comes down to 3 people, it's pretty clear that you're the one going down. If you don't out yourself, worst case scenario is you get lynched anyway.

You figure you might as well by yourself the extra time and out yourself, right? Because, that means you have a slightly better chance of winning, right?

Well, to that, I say "No, and even so, who cares?"

You aren't going to win if you out yourself as a serial killer. If you do, the win is meaningless because the game is broken (unless you somehow do this right at the end and totally mindscrew people, but that is obviously a different scenario).

By biting the bullet and trying to pull out of the hole with a fake claim, you keep the integrity of the game intact. No matter what, you have nothing to gain by buying yourself 2 phases or whatever. You don't gather experience points by living slightly longer and still losing. You can try to justify it however you want, but common sense rules.

You still have something to lose by outing yourself as a serial killer and making a town deal just puts salt in the wounds. Don't do it. You are not helping yourself in any quantitative way and you're doing harm to some alignment somewhere and I'm sure those players would rather you not do it.

That's my stance.

(And don't bring up my lizard SK role because I didn't really know what I could claim. If I had everything straightened out, I'd have went with town vig and never admitted to killing a townie, let alone 3 or 4. I'm the guy who stuck to Liquid Man to the bitter end!)

Reasoning to stick to your guns?

Claiming Highlander in Sci-Fi Chaos when I was the SK.

Highlander wasn't in it, and I acknowledged it. But I'll be damned if I didn't leave a dent

The Two
06-02-2010, 07:17 AM
I agree with Banger here. There's a sort of strategy to playing as an SK, especially if you're not given a lot of ways to compensate for the fact that you're an indy scum. The "SK deal" is a last resort and by then you're better off being lynched, as you're then messing up the balance of the game by effectively becoming a town Vig. If you find yourself at this point, it is far better (and probably proper Mafia etiquette) to try to lie, cheat, and steal your way out of a predicament like that.

Again, we were quite proud of the SK in this game because we felt we gave them a fair chance to win. By putting the kills on a delay, it made the SK immune to being caught by Watchers or Trackers unless they could figure out that the kills were being delayed. BHK saw Kobe targetting MNN on Night 1, but when he was still around on Day 2 he thought nothing of it.

It gave the SK the possibility of killing for longer without getting caught. You would have needed a tracker to target Kobe night after night, or a watcher to get lucky and pick her targets night after night, to really have a chance for the penny to drop and people to figure out that her kills were on a delay. That is, if Kobe didn't tell you all repeatedly that that wasn't the case. Seriously, I was amazed nobody jumped on that as soon as she started stating it as fact.

Zeel1
06-02-2010, 07:22 AM
That is, if Kobe didn't tell you all repeatedly that that wasn't the case. Seriously, I was amazed nobody jumped on that as soon as she started stating it as fact.

Well, that is how I figured it out in hindsight, with the knowledge that she was the SK. I probably would've thought more of it when she said it, if she was a more veteran player, or if it wasn't for the fact that the effort she put in made it seem unlikely to me that she'd be scum, yet uncoached..

She also typically put that in very long posts, with a dozen other theories and conclusions - a few others of which were also atypical - which kept it from standing out quite as much.

ShadowedFlames
06-02-2010, 08:38 AM
@ The Two: my comment was not meant as a knock on the SK in this game. It was meant as a generalized statement and from past experience. The poisoner-as-SK take was a nice touch, in my opinion.

moon_lit_tears
06-02-2010, 08:43 AM
I liked it as well.

I'd love to see more twists on the roles in later games. :)

The Two
06-02-2010, 09:51 AM
@ The Two: my comment was not meant as a knock on the SK in this game. It was meant as a generalized statement and from past experience. The poisoner-as-SK take was a nice touch, in my opinion.

I didn't take it as a slight at all, I was just using your statement as an opportunity to brag about my Cereal Killer. Was very proud of the SK and the Cult we designed for this game.

moon_lit_tears
06-02-2010, 10:57 AM
Are you going to do the post game noms thing?

GruntMark
06-02-2010, 10:59 AM
Are you going to do the post game noms thing?

I feel I should win best Cult.

moon_lit_tears
06-02-2010, 11:14 AM
I feel I should win best Cult.


http://i240.photobucket.com/albums/ff140/bubbles21112/smiley.jpg

I would so vote for you!

Zeel1
06-02-2010, 11:15 AM
Remember that time he pondered about the testes?

Good times..

GruntMark
06-02-2010, 11:19 AM
I would so vote for you!

Excellent.

Remember that time he pondered about the testes?

Good times..

I was disappointed how those reveals went down. I woulda done so much more.

Zeel1
06-02-2010, 11:19 AM
I was disappointed how those reveals went down. I woulda done so much more.

Makes you blue, doesn't it?

MichiganHero
06-02-2010, 11:22 AM
Remember that time he pondered about the testes?

Good times..

Excellent.



I was disappointed how those reveals went down. I woulda done so much more.

Sorry folks to disappoint. It didn't occur to me to have a bigger reveal roleclaim. :( Zeel did figure it out though. Kudos Zeel.

The Two
06-02-2010, 11:23 AM
Are you going to do the post game noms thing?

Yes, me and Derek discussed it last night. We're gonna talk it over between us and make some selections.

Will also need to do Night Phases.

GruntMark
06-02-2010, 11:26 AM
Sorry folks to disappoint. It didn't occur to me to have a bigger reveal roleclaim. :( Zeel did figure it out though. Kudos Zeel.

Dont sweat it.

Im just kidding.





LOL Zeel.

moon_lit_tears
06-02-2010, 11:32 AM
Yes, me and Derek discussed it last night. We're gonna talk it over between us and make some selections.

Will also need to do Night Phases.


You should drink while doing it. That would be the best. :D

bak42
06-02-2010, 12:55 PM
Name one townie who did ANYTHING prior to SF handing us Kobe?

*Crickets*

OH. None of you. That's right!

Name one townie who did anything but follow SF's lists?

Zeel, blocking Banger.

Outside of those 2, NONE of the town did a damn thing. NONE of us would've been lynched had it not been for those 2. We played you all like ****ing flutes and in the end it was all of you role claiming vital body parts and SF getting lists every night while Zeel made sure we had no kill.

That's TWO townies.

Two.

The rest of you deserve **** all.Hey, I did the best I could with my ability. since I didn't know who the scum were I made sure that as many townies as possible could talk by not using my ability.

Which boggles my mind to then look at SFC, where there was really no reason to keep the SK around yet they did. But the town was like a headless chicken in that one anyways, hehe.

Correction, the town kept one SK around, they took me out as soon as I revealed that I had become one even though I had a chance to go back to my normal self.

Zeel1
06-02-2010, 01:01 PM
Damn, how many SK's were in Sci-Fi, seven? :p

moon_lit_tears
06-02-2010, 01:07 PM
Hey, I did the best I could with my ability. since I didn't know who the scum were I made sure that as many townies as possible could talk by not using my ability.



Correction, the town kept one SK around, they took me out as soon as I revealed that I had become one even though I had a chance to go back to my normal self.

I would not bther...:p

I think being a SK is awesome.

The Two
06-02-2010, 01:13 PM
I think being a SK is awesome.
It's a role I've never had but desperately want.

moon_lit_tears
06-02-2010, 01:21 PM
It's a role I've never had but desperately want.


I would love it again to maybe prove to myself I have gotten better. :)

eayragt
06-02-2010, 04:04 PM
Hey, I did the best I could with my ability. since I didn't know who the scum were I made sure that as many townies as possible could talk by not using my ability.

Arrow's isn't talking about the use of abilities - it's about the use of daytime. Not that I'm agreeing with him as various things can occur (RL can make town just as much as him have less impact on the thread; scum kill / silence leaders) that mean that not every player makes a huge impact every day phase. In fact, no-one has ever managed the feat of hugely impacting the game every day phase.

Does everyone need to be a leader, all the time? No. Were things achieved in the day phases before scum were hit? Yes.

Are people sometimes too reliant on waiting for night abilites to push a lynch through? Yes, but it worked. Let's not be too critical of a winning strategy.

bak42
06-03-2010, 03:35 PM
It's a role I've never had but desperately want.

I'd love to start a game as one, rather than become one mid-game.

Zeel1
06-05-2010, 07:27 AM
Was just re-reading the game, and...

I'm more than willing to lynch Max or Zeel (obviously lol). But if, based off of SF's findings we should go Kobe that's fine too.

And I've said my piece on Zeel for the day and I'll drop it for now. But, if he turns up town I'll eat MLT's hat.

..looks like poor Moonikins is down another hat.. :D

Don't worry sugar, I'll buy you another. <3

moon_lit_tears
06-05-2010, 10:02 AM
Was just re-reading the game, and...



..looks like poor Moonikins is down another hat.. :D

Don't worry sugar, I'll buy you another. <3

Grrrr Now what kinda hat am I gonna have?

Zeel1
06-05-2010, 10:24 AM
Grrrr Now what kinda hat am I gonna have?

Any kind of hat your little heart desires, sweetums. :p

Zeel1
06-05-2010, 03:35 PM
Just to confirm; if Destiny hangs, we lose the next night's hit, yes or no?

No, because of the way your mafia is structured with the Don not sending the hit, Destiny's hanging would not affect your kill.

If you were to get lynched however... :cool:

Day 7 - Lynch of Wallbanger
Night 7 - Death of Petrija and MichiganHero

Question mark.

MichiganHero
06-05-2010, 03:37 PM
Question mark.

What do you question mark, Zeel.

Zeel1
06-05-2010, 03:38 PM
What do you question mark, Zeel.

If I'm reading it right, it seems as though it was set up to where the mafia couldn't kill the night after they lose their hitman.

Yet, the night after the hitman was lost, they killed off the testes.

..am I just reading it wrong..?

MichiganHero
06-05-2010, 03:40 PM
If I'm reading it right, it seems as though it was set up to where the mafia couldn't kill the night after they lose their hitman.

Yet, the night after the hitman was lost, they killed off the testes.

..am I just reading it wrong..?

Jman2k3 killed the testes when he sent something to petrija, hence the testes dieing as the testes were lovers.

Imarevenant
06-05-2010, 06:38 PM
Jman2k3 killed the testes when he sent something to petrija, hence the testes dieing as the testes were lovers.

/nod

Jman hates Testes

The Two
06-06-2010, 03:23 AM
Question mark.

Yeah, Jman sent Petrija a bomb. BOOM!

The Two
06-11-2010, 06:12 PM
Okay, so Night 1...

As I'm sure you've all realised, a lot of what was in the night write ups was just there to make us (and hopefully some of you) smile. It was a lot of colour and things that we found funny.

I will say that we both loved reading all the theories about Dr Acula being scum :cool:

Night 1, the most important sections were these:

Night 1

Doctor: “I’m no expert… wait, I mean I AM an expert but I’m pretty sure that wobbly thing there isn’t supposed to be there. And I’m almost certain that other thing isn’t supposed to be doing that to that other thing. The insides of this man look nothing like the schematic on the wall!”

Nurse: “Sorry doctor, I think someone, obviously not me, put that picture on upside down after they, not me, knocked it down late last night…”

Doctor: “Damnit nurse… this isn’t rocket science, this is brain surgery. Assuming this camera is where it’s supposed to be, which it might not be if that schematic isn’t the right way up.”

BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP

Dr Acula: “Doctor, ve need to relieve the pressure on ze organs or he’ll lose them.”
Doctor: “Someone fetch me the wedge of wood, I’ll get these organs seperated as if my very own life depended on it”

Nurse: “I think the wedge is being used to prop up the operating table doctor.”

Doctor: “Damn it, there’s never any wood when you need it most…”

Nurse: “Tell me about it…”

BEEP BEEEP…BEEEP… BEEEP…BEEEP… BEEEP…BEEEP…

Doctor: “Wait… tyre pressure stabilising… RPM normalising… everything seems to be okay again.”

These are the blocked kills on Destiny. What's important to note is that the doctors don't actually do anything here. Jack recovers entirely by himself.

Doctor: “I told you it was a Gruntmark. A dead Gruntmark smells and tastes just like truffles, Betsy’s favourites. That’s why she’s so good at treating cancer patients, you know. People, this man had cancer but no longer! He is cured. All he needs now is some rest and some food. None of that saline we’ve had him on, put some salisbury steak and buttered noodles through a shredder and get those in him through an IV. We’ll have this man conscious, eating and back on his feet in no time.”

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Gruntmark is dead. He was a Cancer Cell, Cancer Aligned Corrosive Influence

BHK has been silenced and will be unable to post in the thread til nightfall.

Zeel has been silenced and will be unable to post in the thread til nightfall.

Here, obviously is the death of GruntMark, and a hint about Kobe's existence.


Full list of actions for Night 1:


SuperOwens protected Destiny.
Eayragt also protected Destiny.
MJD rolelocked Destiny.
Kobe poisoned Midnightnick, but as her kill was on a delay, it wouldn't occur until Night 2.
Max Peck attempted to kill Destiny, this would have been a very different game if the Don had been killed N1.
BHK1978 watched Midnightnick and saw Kobe target him but thought no more about it when we was still around at daybreak (the advantage of the poisoner role).
Jman2k3 had the choice of Shieldocin or Countstwicephrine, and chose to give a dose of Shieldocin to GruntMark.
GruntMark, in a nice symmetry of targets, attempted to recruit Jman2k3.
Arrows silenced his protege Zeel1.
Imarevenant redirected Zeel1 to BHK1978, but Zeel was choosing not to use his roleblocking ability that night so nothing happened. Rev's ability would not force an action if his target was choosing not to act.
SGRaaize tracked BHK and saw him target MNN.
Tha Black Phenom investigated Imarevenant and found him to be Jack Aligned.
Zeel1 chose not to use his ability.
bak42 silenced BHK1978
Wallbanger killed Gruntmark, I've mentioned how upset this made me at the time, and I think Banger came to regret it too as it made the Mafia's job that much harder.
Masterded got a Watcher ability and used it to watch Imarevenant and saw TBP target him.

Zeel1
06-11-2010, 06:34 PM
...So I'm guessing Shieldocin doesn't do what I'd expect it to do? Or is it like a 50% thing?

The Two
06-11-2010, 06:38 PM
Moving on to Night 2...

Night 2

On the way to the operating room

Nurse: “Doctor, we’ve got to get Jack into the operating room as soon as possible.”

Doctor: “I can see that Nurse, the readings on these machines are indicating that his brain function is all over the place and his vitals are looking less healthy than the sandwich I picked up at that 24 hour garage on my way here."

BLEUUUUUGHHHH!!

Before they can get Jack into the operating room, Jack sits up and projectile vomits out a large solid mass. It hits the wall along the corridor, ricochets off the door at an angle, bouncing off the vending machine (Drink Slurm!) before firing back at the nurse, hitting her in the back of the head and flipping her over before she ends up on the floor. Jack falls back down…

Doctor: “Dr Acula, hand me my dipstick. In my intensive hours of training I’ve never ever seen vomit appear to be this solid. I fear it may have dented the nurse.”

Dr Acula does as instructed and hands the Doctor his dipstick, with which he tentatively pokes at the mass on the floor.

Doctor: “Damnit, this appears to be a lung. This man is clearly no better off for all this bed rest he’s been getting. We’d better get him back into the operating room. Someone sterilise my tools, we’ve got to unzip this man and find out what’s wrong with him, stat!”

Here is Kobe's first kill on MNN. All of Kobe's kills appeared by the player being vomitted up.

Sometime later...
Doctor: "I didn't do it! I mean... uh oh. He seems to be in a lot of distress. Nurse, check his pupil response."

The nurse grabs a torch, approaches Jack, and pulls open his left eyelid, shining the light inside. After a brief pause, she does the same with his right.

Nurse: "That's going to be quite difficult, Doctor."

Doctor: "Why?"

Nurse: "Because they're gone."

Doctor: "Gone?! What do you mean gone?"

Nurse: "I mean they're gone. His eyes... are gone."

Doctor: "Right... It seems we're no closer to figuring out what's wrong with this man. Maybe we're looking in the wrong place. Get this man to the MRI Machine! I’ll stay here with this book and try to work out what causes a man to have no eyes…"
Had to think for quite a while about how best to write the death of the eyes, especially as they had been digested. Eventually decided just having them vanish would be the most tasteful. Anyway, this is Max Peck getting his only successful kill of the game. I actually expected him to take a second shot at Destiny, but instead he seemed convinced that Destiny not dying meant that he had some kind of bulletproof ability. It never seemed to occur to him that he may have been protected.

Even later that night...

Jack is half-concealed inside the giant donut of the MRI. In the monitoring room next door, Dr Acula and the Doctor watch as their computer screen displays images of Jack's brain.

Dr Acula: "Zat's not good. Zis whole area of his brain is doing nothing. Eet's dead. If zere's one thing I know, it's that brain function is important."

Doctor: "Thank you, Doctor. Let's get him back upstairs."
And there is Tha Black Phenom's death at the hands of Wallbanger.


Early dawn in Jack's room...

Doctor: "Then he's cured! Huzzah! Fetch a blender and get this man some breakfast! I’m thinking lobster, with lots and lots of butter."

----------

Midnightnick is dead. He was Jack’s Left Lung, Jack Aligned Pulmonary Organ

BHK1978 is dead. He was Jack’s Eyes, Jack Aligned Optic System

Tha Black Phenom is dead. He was Jack’s Parietal Lobe, Jack Aligned Sensory Analysis Centre

Moon_lit_tears has been silenced and will be unable to post in the thread til nightfall.
Another hint about Kobe.

Full list of actions for Night 2:


Jman2k3 had the choice of Spyonucin or Stoppenactin and chose to give a dose of Stoppenactin to Destiny. I have no idea why when he was so certain Destiny was scum.
Eayragt protected Kobe1724.
MJD roleblocked SGRaaize.
BHK1978 watched Destiny.
SGRaaize tried to track Zeel1 but was blocked by MJD.
Max Peck killed BHK1978. He tazed him, bro!
Kobe1724 poisoned Eayragt.
Wallbanger killed Tha Black Phenom. A good choice for scum, especially as they didn't actually know he was the investigator.
Imarevenant redirected Zeel1 to MichiganHero. Zeel didn't send a PM this night, so again he did nothing.
Bak42 chose not to silence anybody. I'm going to be writing that a lot :)
Arrows silenced MLT.
Masterded got a Role Cop ability and used it on Bak42.
SuperOwens protected MichiganHero.
TBP tried to investigate MNN.

The Two
06-11-2010, 06:42 PM
...So I'm guessing Shieldocin doesn't do what I'd expect it to do? Or is it like a 50% thing?

It does, just not as quickly as you might expect. Grunt wouldn't receive it until the end of the Night Phase and it would have protected him Night 2.

Before the game we decided the order in which abilities would happen, it went: Roleblock, Protect, Kill, Anything Else. Jman's ability fell under Anything Else.

Trust me, at that point I wished it were different. If there was a way to keep Grunt alive, I would have taken it :)

The Two
06-11-2010, 07:15 PM
Night 2 was followed, as it so often is, by Night 3...

Night 3

-----------------

On the way to the operating room...

We join our good doctor on his way to the operating room with Jack and the attending nurse who has completely failed to go on strikes for several days, a new record for the staff in the hospital. Progress in the direction of tonight’s surgery seems to be going well until Jack suddenly sits up and projectile vomits a stream of weak looking blood in the direction of the oncoming Dr Acula, called in just moments ago for a consult…

Doctor: “Well that isn’t good. Dr Acula, are you okay?”

Dr Acula: “Vhy of course. But zis man is not well. In fact, the “blood” he just hit me with seems to be almost entirely white blood cells. Traces of other unexpected impurities, but it appears that Jack just vomited up a large part of his immune system and it’s very, very bland…”

Doctor: “Well don’t just stand there man, put it back in. I’m pretty sure… in fact, I’m damn near certain he needs that. And can you smell that? Does blood smell like sulphur?”
Two things of note here, the first is obviously Kobe's poisoning of Eayragt the previous night leading to Jack vomiting up his white blood cells.

The second thing of note, which nobody spotted is the references to "unexpected impurities" and the smell of sulphur which nobody picked up on. Both were references to Jman and the bomb (hence, sulphur) which was about to kill SGRaaize.


The nurse looks queasy just watching Jack’s stream of blood coming from his mouth but she tries to stifle those feelings and force Jack to lie down again. As she does though a second fountain emerges from Jack, with a far darker red blood emerging from his belly button.

Doctor: “Damn it, I was afraid this might happen! He’s clearly suffering from… from… from…”

The doctor tries to stifle the blood coming from Jack’s belly button but as he does so it fountains out of his mouth… and as the doctor tries to block the mouth if begins to fountain out of his belly button again. The nurse can no longer bear it, fainting dramatically and hitting her head off the edge of the hospital’s standard uncomfortable seating on the way to the hard floors.

Doctor: “Dr Acula, I need your help here. This man needs to keep his blood in him and you are the resident blood expert. Do something!”

Dr Acula: “Ze new…. well… appears to be his red blood cells escaping his body… Ve need to get him to surgery as soon as possible. I’m sorry doctor, I can’t think straight vith all zis blood here, excuse me for just one moment thankyouplease…”

Looking more than a little wild eyed, Dr Acula flees out of the hospital door with surprising speed, leaving the doctor alone with the patient… and the unconscious nurse currently floating by in a river of blood downstream towards the main cafeteria.

Doctor: “Damnit, I guess I’m on my own for now. To the operating room!!”
Sadly Derek forgot to include the "POP!" I wanted him to use to again hint at the bomb which causes the loss of Jack's red blood cells. Either way, that was the cause of the leak. So this is Jman killing SGRaaize by sending him a bomb.

eayragt is dead. He was Jack's White Blood Cells, Jack Aligned Immune System

SGRaaize is dead. He was Jack's Red Blood Cells, Jack Aligned Oxygen Delivery System

mjdgoldeneye has been silenced and will be unable to post until nightfall.
Just coincidence that Jack lost both halves of his blood on the same night.


Full list of actions for Night 3:


Arrows silenced MJD.
Bak42 chose not to silence anybody. Again.
Zeel1 roleblocked Destiny.
Destiny tried to use the Stoppenactin Jman had given him on Max Peck, afraid he would try to kill him again.
Eayragt planned to protect MLT.
Imarevenant redirected SGRaaize to SuperOwens.
Jman2k3 had a choice of Spyonucin or Bigboomamine and chose to send the bomb to SGRaaize.
Kobe1724 poisoned Max Peck. I think she actually thought he was scum.
MJD roleblocked Wallbanger.
Wallbanger tried to kill SGRaaize. If it hadn't been for Jman this might have led the town to Banger a lot sooner with the kill being blocked by MJD. As it was nobody was any the wiser. I don't think even Banger realised that it wasn't him who killed SGRaaize.
Masterded got a Watcher ability and used it on Wallbanger. He saw MJD targetting him. The fear that he saw the kill led directly to MJD's death the following night.
Max Peck chose not to kill anybody.
ShadowedFlames in his first night on the job investigated MNN's corpse, ultimately leading to the town catching Kobe.
SGRaaize planned to watch Zeel1.

Kobe1724
06-12-2010, 09:08 PM
I can't believe I poisoned earygat when he protected me... :o

Zeel1
06-12-2010, 09:12 PM
I can't believe I poisoned earygat when he protected me... :o

You food products are so heartless.

Well, unless the food is a heart, I guess... :p

Kobe1724
06-12-2010, 11:00 PM
You food products are so heartless.

Well, unless the food is a heart, I guess... :p

I legitimately feel bad about this. I think I'll defend him regardless of the circumstances, next time. :)