The Official Medical Mafia Game Thread

[mjdgoldeneye]

If I'm not mistaken, "lack of alternatives" is why people like me watch WWE programming still.

Seems to be like there's a whole buncha alternatives on that list.

Watch 24 at 9PM on Mondays. Also, House at 8PM just before.

[bak42]

Well since Destiny went and revealed things about himself, and it seems we reached a dead-end in that aspect. I propose we move onto the next subject to learn things from.

Let's go with

Change Vote: Bak42

You've been quiet.

You haven't really contributed much.

I've got time, what would you like to know?

[Wallbanger]

I've got time, what would you like to know?

Nice avatar pic.

You claiming to be a Ferengi brain tumor? :p

Or is this a Rule 7 kind of thing?

[bak42]

Nice avatar pic.

You claiming to be a Ferengi brain tumor? :p

Or is this a Rule 7 kind of thing?

That's a tribble actually.

[Wallbanger]

That's a tribble actually.

Ah. Do tribbles give good oo-mox?

[bak42]

Ah. Do tribbles give good oo-mox?

I wouldn't know, I don't have the lobes for oo-mox.

[Wallbanger]

/nod

[Kobe1724]

I'm going to read some other mafia threads through in their entirety on Sunday. I think I'll be able to parse some relevant data from those that should help us find our scum. :)

Will keep you posted on findings.

[Jman2k3]

If you want to be a town leader, then step up and achieve your Destiny... Destiny.

You give him a road map and a compass and he'll still get lost.

[eayragt]

I'll happily Vote: bak42 as well. As I've said elsewhere, we are desperately lacking direction at the moment.

Quality leading. Beats "I'll be around later this phase to put a vote down if needed", I guess.

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 2. With 21 players remaining, it is 11 votes to lynch.

You have until 9:30pm BST / 4:30pm EDT on Thursday, May 13th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Destiny (2): Max Peck, Jman2k3

Bak42 (2): Midnightnick, Destiny

[Destiny]

I'm not sure why I still have votes on me, but it doesn't really matter at this stage of the day. After hearing from bak42, I would like to Change Vote: Jman2k3. Have you got anything you would like to add?

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 2. With 21 players remaining, it is 11 votes to lynch.

You have until 9:30pm BST / 4:30pm EDT on Thursday, May 13th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Destiny (2): Max Peck, Jman2k3

Bak42 (1): Midnightnick

Jman2k3 (1): Destiny

[Destiny]

Good to see we're being given relevant time zones in which the day phase will end now.

[Wallbanger]

I'm not sure why I still have votes on me, but it doesn't really matter at this stage of the day. After hearing from bak42, I would like to Change Vote: Jman2k3. Have you got anything you would like to add?


You know, it could be said that you're only making a retaliatory vote and trying to dress it up as something different. And I'm honestly not sure why you keep harping on the fact that there's votes on you -- you're nowhere close to being lynched, and it could be that Max Peck just hasn't been around to change his vote, presuming he's persuaded by your responses.

Put another way, your level of defensiveness to the situation seems overmuch. I know you're frustrated/annoyed with the people harping on you out of the gate, which on the surface seems more personal than game related, but I think (perhaps optimistically) that for some it's more just a way of pushing your buttons to get the info they want. There have been some gratuitous shots at you too, but perhaps it's better to just let those slide, eh?

[moon_lit_tears]

For what it's worth I like you Destiny. I like annoying you though. I have this habit of doing that to people I like. I swear I do it off line too. Ask SF I'm just cool like that. :cool:

[eayragt]

You know, it could be said that you're only making a retaliatory vote and trying to dress it up as something different. And I'm honestly not sure why you keep harping on the fact that there's votes on you -- you're nowhere close to being lynched, and it could be that Max Peck just hasn't been around to change his vote, presuming he's persuaded by your responses.

Put another way, your level of defensiveness to the situation seems overmuch. I know you're frustrated/annoyed with the people harping on you out of the gate, which on the surface seems more personal than game related, but I think (perhaps optimistically) that for some it's more just a way of pushing your buttons to get the info they want. There have been some gratuitous shots at you too, but perhaps it's better to just let those slide, eh?

It's not as if I'd make any better a town leader, and even I'd have to laugh if I posted that I was going to be one.

Fortunately, I've never posted that.

[Destiny]

Unfortunately, nobody has followed my lead, and it appears that we will reach a no-lynch today.

[eayragt]

Unfortunately, nobody has followed my lead, and it appears that we will reach a no-lynch today.

Sorry man, took a while getting on, and putting the second vote on 33 minutes before deadline when we need 11 people to vote wasn't really going to cut. Don't take that slight as me not wanting to follow you.

I am a naturally sarcastic person, but I can say that there's not one sarcastic word in this post.

The "man"'s a bit out of place though. I don't talk like that.

[Derek B]

Day Phase 2 is over, write up coming very soon!

[MichiganHero]

Day Phase 2 is over, write up coming very soon!

How soon?

[Derek B]

Day 2
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Jack’s hospital room

We watch for many hours as the sun loops over the hospital and slowly descends behind the hills far off in the distance… the view from Jack’s hospital room is suprisingly good, which makes it all the more surprising that he has it given that he has yet to regain consciousness since entering the hospital. Hooked up to all kinds of beeping machines, you wouldn’t be at all mistaken for thinking that the combined beeping almost forms the tune to Funkytown…

Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep boop….

Driver: “Dude, it’s totally Funkytown.”

Paramedic: “Not quite… try poking him in the head, that seems to get him to do that last note…”

The driver of the ambulance that brought Jack to the hospital shrugs and does what he’s told. The beeping from the various machines hooked up to Jack hits the perfect rhythm and the two men high five at their amazing accomplishment.

Beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep beep….

Driver: “Awesome!”

Paramedic: “I’ve totally gotta tell Betsy about this sometime…”

Beepbeep beepbeep beepbeep beepbeep….

Driver: “Uh, is that supposed to happen?”

Paramedic: “No way dude. We’d better get him down to the Operating Room… he’s going… downtown.”

The high speed beeping attracts the attention of the nurse who is quick to start bossing the driver and paramedic around. It doesn’t take long to get Jack ready for the OR, knowing that he had a zipper installed last night in case of exactly this kind of emergency. With the surgical team scrubbing up, Jack has another long night of medical attention ahead of him…

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It was Day Phase 2. With 21 players remaining, it was 11 votes to lynch.

Final Vote Count

Destiny (2): Max Peck, Jman2k3

Bak42 (1): Midnightnick

Jman2k3 (1): Destiny

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BHK1978 is now free to post in the thread again.

Zeel1 is now free to post in the thread again

[Wallbanger]

/sings

Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! We're going to get a writeup.

[Wallbanger]

Sheesh, even sooner than I thought.

[MichiganHero]

/sings

Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! We're going to get a writeup.

Sorry, bossman. You are a bit late.

[Derek B]

It is now Night Phase 2.

If you have an ability and are choosing to use it, please PM both The Two and Derek_B with your actions. If you are choosing not to use your ability, please also PM both Mods to inform us of you decision, that way we won't be left waiting for you.

You have until 10pm BST on Friday, May 14th / 5pm EDT on Friday, May 14th to get your abilities in.

[Wallbanger]

Sorry, bossman. You are a bit late.

Hence, the 'sheesh, even sooner than I thought' comment. :p

[Derek B]

How soon?

/sings

Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Soon and very soon, we are going to get a writeup.
Hallelujah! Hallelujah! We're going to get a writeup.

Sheesh, even sooner than I thought.

Sorry, bossman. You are a bit late.

:p

Just so happens I'm awesome. :p

[MichiganHero]

Hence, the 'sheesh, even sooner than I thought' comment. :p

You post too fast.

[moon_lit_tears]

Sorry, bossman. You are a bit late.


Stop copying me!

[MichiganHero]

:p

Just so happens I'm awesome. :p

You live in Stirling, therefor the awesome levels drop a fair bit. JOKE

[MichiganHero]

Stop copying me!

He's my bossman. He's your bossman. He's everyones bossman. :p

[eayragt]

Paramedic: “No way dude. We’d better get him down to the Operating Room… he’s going… downtown.”

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely
You can always go Downtown!!

[Wallbanger]

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely
You can always go Downtown!!

When you've got worries,
All the noise and the hurry
Seems to help, I know, downtown

[The Two]

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely
You can always go... kill yourself.

[Destiny]

I am almost positive that The Two is not condoning suicide in his last post. I do like that "Downtown" song.

[MichiganHero]

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely
You can always go Downtown!!

When you've got worries,
All the noise and the hurry
Seems to help, I know, downtown

When you're alone, and life is making you lonely
You can always go... kill yourself.
You three people would be the worst musical group.

[BHK1978]

Don't

Taze

Me

Bro! :D

Okay I will stop doing that from here on out.

[Zeel1]

Now that I can speak again - SCREW YOU SILENCERS, I HOPE YOU DIE IN A FIRE!!! :p

Although, being silenced had much less of a sting with the knowledge that scum was taken out already. Great job to whoever is responsible for that.

And how weird is that, just the other day I was thinking, "You know, I hope Grunt gets cancer", and look what he ended up getting this game! I kid, I kid..mostly.

Now it is time..for the Multi-Quote of doom and despair!! Note that I've had a lot of this reply ready since, like, an hour after I was silenced. Some of it has been answered or brought up already, but I still feel the need to post it.

No recruit.

Cancer spreads, recruit.

If it was a single one that is great.

Cancer cell I am not sure it was only one. Lets hope it was. I hate cults.

Sweetie, I love you dearly and you know it, but I have to disagree with this logic. Recruiting would be internal..and we saw nothing internal going on. None from the viruses, none from the body parts. Obviously, a lot happened internally - seeing as the night ended early, I'm assuming a lot of abilities were used - but we saw nothing transpire in his insides. I mean, we didn't see anything that looked much like a silencing, and two people were obviously silenced. You can't site a lack of a seen recruitment and say with any positivity that there wasn't a recruitment, because of that.
I must say, if all night write-ups turn out like that..it's going to be one hella dark game.

I wonder if any of GruntMark, Zeel and BHK were connected in some way during the night. Hmmm.

As do I, although I can't see cancer being a silencer..think it'd be much more powerful.
If it helps your reasoning, I didn't go out N1.

Either one of BHK or Zeel could be the nurse who hit her head? Just a thought that popped into my head.

Aha, no..with me, atleast. BHK on the other hand..hmm..

Nothing. I have a day ability.
Also I can be considered to be well hung, so moon_lit was kinda unintentionally close with the hung you down threat.

Hm.

And dammit, Moonikins, what did I say about flirting around?! How many times must I tell you this!!

I can honestly say I can't make out anything 100% from that write-up. At this point I'm still skeptical about the good Dr.'s even being roles or just characters to move the write-ups along.

It's a distinct possibility that this is the case. The doctors seemed to be doing more harm than good N0, so there's potential that every kill could be written out as him removing either a bodypart or a virus. Again...that'd be hella dark. Guess we'll have to wait until there's either multiple kills, or an obvious townie dying, before we figure that one out.

I'm not entirely sure. As others have said, I would imagine there to be one scum silencer and one town silencer.

One scum team would'nt have two, and two scum teams likely wouldn't both have one, so that's the most obvious conclusion..

Obviously, I'd like to think it was scum silencing me. But the thing is, silencing BHK doesn't seem like a very townie thing to do either. I mean, he was hinting and giving stuff away on D1..if he was scum and fakeclaiming, I'd really doubt he'd try that. I mean you know how conservative he plays..granted, never seen him as scum, but it doesn't sound likely to me that drawing scum this game would make him more of a risk taker..so, hmm. Both of us seem like odd choices for a townie to silence to me, so..bit odd.

See? The devil was 6.

And you all doubted my gut.

Never again. :p

Admittedly feeling pretty good about you and your vote now. Although, you are the risky type, so who's to say you wouldn't try to start an opening bandwagon on a scum mate? :p He'd probably go along with that plan as well..but yeah, felt pretty good about you before N1, and better now.

I'm really, really liking the energy of the new folk. They're showing some level headed thinking, and contribution. Keep it up boys and girls.

/nod, and that makes me feel more comfortable with them as well, to a degree. I'd figure someone that comes in as a first-time player and draws scum would use their rookieness as an excuse to coast through the game. Occassionally say things like "Well, my input isn't going to be valid anyway" or "You guys don't wanna hear from me, I'm just a newbie", stuff like that.

Honestly, the WC's and Cancan's had me worried for our future for a while there, but these guys are good signs. :p

Lets get something stright. You are far from cleared. The same ability two games running both with odd restrictions is a little hard to swallow. As is a PGO that can only kill scum, overpowered much?

..were you trying to bait him into something, here? 'Cause it was pretty clear by this point that PGO wasn't what he was claiming at all..I don't know, that seems like a weird thing to say.

Do we think that Grunt was a vig kill, or a scum-on-scum kill? I ask because he didn't seem too scummy to me on D1, and is a common first target for scum, as he's in the "big enough to be a threat, but not the doctor's top priority" pool. I think Team Rocket or Mewtwo took him out first in Pokemon..with my "doctor has all the kills" theory in play, I can't tell.

Also, how likely do you think it is there would be more Cancer Cells - with that same name? I feel like there'd have to be more than just one cell to give him the disease, after all..I don't know, using the term cell kinda gives me a "Scum Eevee" inkling for some reason. :p

If we figure that GM was cult leader, which seems likely to me, I'd have to think he recruited last night. Obviously, I'd hope he'd start as 1..if he did, then there is another out there, and likely that person can now recruit as well. Atleast, I'd think so, I haven't really experianced a regular cult before..if he didn't recruit last night, then the only thing I could think of as a reason is that he could only recruit cells -making more cancer cells out of them- and not body parts..but I dunno, I might just be rambling now.

[MichiganHero]

Don't

Taze

Me

Bro! :D

Okay I will stop doing that from here on out.

*Tazes BHK1978*
I
TAZED
YOU
BRO!

[Zeel1]

Other stuff;

I am going to miss BHK and Zeel's banter tho. Why did they silence the chatty folk???

Getting the chatty folk to stop talking is the whole point of silencing, my friend. Scum would love nothing more to stifle discussion, so their silencers tend to target the posting leaders.

Concerning Zeel:

We know that Moonlit_Tears accused him of being scum, and we know that he found Eayragt's early behavior against Destiny suspicious (as did I). There was also some sort of weird discussion going on between Zeel and Arrows (the stuff about cancer this and that). I'm guessing it's just a joke that went over my head, but I dunno. Just putting it out there that I observed it.

If anything, I would point to Eayragt as the likely silencer of Zeel here, but in that case why not silence me instead. Of course, he could have wanted to silence both of us but only have the ability to silence once and chosen Zeel because he's a veteran. But is it likely that both Zeel and Destiny are scum? I don't think so, but I think that one of them definitely is.

I want to wait for more information before voting for a lynch on either, but they are the two I distrust most right now.

Arrows having an avi of the biggest threat in the game, with the "I was framed" caption has become a running joke. I've made the last three that he's had.

And, I'm still not officially counted as a vet until the end of this game. Appreciate the sentiment, though.. :p

[MichiganHero]

It's goof to have you back Zeel1.

[Zeel1]

It's goof to have you back Zeel1.

Goof to be here!

[MichiganHero]

Zeel, I did notice that you hmmd at one of my posts care to explain?

[Zeel1]

Zeel, I did notice that you hmmd at one of my posts care to explain?

You mentioned a day ability.

Made me "hmm", is all. :p

[MichiganHero]

You mentioned a day ability.

Made me "hmm", is all. :p

cool beans
does anybody know how hard it is to type on a psp, it's near damn impossible!

[Zeel1]

cool beans
does anybody know how hard it is to type on a psp, it's near damn impossible!

Closest I've come to trying something like that is with a Blackberry..didn't even post.

[moon_lit_tears]

Zeel, I did notice that you hmmd at one of my posts care to explain?

You mentioned a day ability.

Made me "hmm", is all. :p


I have that effect on him all the time. :p

[Zeel1]

I have that effect on him all the time. :p

Actually, with you it's closer to "Mmmm.."

But you know, close enough. :D

[moon_lit_tears]

cool beans
does anybody know how hard it is to type on a psp, it's near damn impossible!

PsPs suck. DSis give you a full touch screen keyboard.

[MichiganHero]

PsPs suck. DSis give you a full touch screen keyboard.

I have both but the psp was closer to me

[moon_lit_tears]

I have both but the psp was closer to me

I have not touched my PsP in about 5 months.....

[mjdgoldeneye]

Hey! If anyone out there is interested, Portal is free until the 24th if you haven't played it or don't already own it on PC (or Mac, as Steam was just released for the Mac).

If you haven't played it, I strongly recommend it.

[SuperOwens]

You just don't pay much attention, do you? He OBVIOUSLY claimed something else. You just seem to be determined to find something to use for a push on this lynch.



Scummier. No role but the PGO is useful to the town! Ruah! I can get this one lynched because he's not claiming PGO! Which is it?

The third one


I didn't say that, but believe what you want.

I said that I didn't have anything particularly substantial and my vote was only due to a lack of alternatives. I couldn't have been any plainer about that.

I'm not going to claim/explain now because you greatly misinterpreted what I assumed was a fairly blunt notice in advance. I said that I didn't want to explain. If you didn't want Destiny to out himself, you shouldn't have followed my lead when I told you it was speculative.

I didn't draw his name from a hat, I can assure you of that, but I didn't get an investigation result on him or anything!

(I believed there may have been a correlation between him and the lack of apparent scum activity last night.)

I'm disappointed you seemed to have waited the phase out just to hear from me when I advertised my vote as less-than-solid.

Not sure where I followed your lead? I didn't vote on him. Unless you mean 'you' in a town sense? And if that's the case, what did you think would happen? You come in say you have something, lay down a vote and then go. You think that nobody else would jump on that?


..were you trying to bait him into something, here? 'Cause it was pretty clear by this point that PGO wasn't what he was claiming at all..I don't know, that seems like a weird thing to say.

Yes, but Not Destiny

[The Two]

PHASE BEING EXTENDED TWO HOURS FOR MOD'S CONVENIENCE

It is now Night Phase 2.

If you have an ability and are choosing to use it, please PM both The Two and Derek_B with your actions. If you are choosing not to use your ability, please also PM both Mods to inform us of you decision, that way we won't be left waiting for you.

You have until 12:01am BST on Saturday, May 15th / 7:01pm EDT on Friday, May 14th to get your abilities in.

[Derek B]

Night phase 2 is over, write up coming soon! Anyone arguing the definition of soon will be looked in a slightly funny way...

[Derek B]

Night 2

On the way to the operating room

Nurse: “Doctor, we’ve got to get Jack into the operating room as soon as possible.”

Doctor: “I can see that Nurse, the readings on these machines are indicating that his brain function is all over the place and his vitals are looking less healthy than the sandwich I picked up at that 24 hour garage on my way here."

BLEUUUUUGHHHH!!

Before they can get Jack into the operating room, Jack sits up and projectile vomits out a large solid mass. It hits the wall along the corridor, ricochets off the door at an angle, bouncing off the vending machine (Drink Slurm!) before firing back at the nurse, hitting her in the back of the head and flipping her over before she ends up on the floor. Jack falls back down…

Doctor: “Dr Acula, hand me my dipstick. In my intensive hours of training I’ve never ever seen vomit appear to be this solid. I fear it may have dented the nurse.”

Dr Acula does as instructed and hands the Doctor his dipstick, with which he tentatively pokes at the mass on the floor.

Doctor: “Damnit, this appears to be a lung. This man is clearly no better off for all this bed rest he’s been getting. We’d better get him back into the operating room. Someone sterilise my tools, we’ve got to unzip this man and find out what’s wrong with him, stat!”

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Sometime later...

Jack is back on the operating table, with a variety of medical personnel fussing around him. The doctor, pulls his zip and opens Jack's chest again. He looks inside, scratches his head, then picks up a heavy looking book which until then was propping up one leg of the operating table. Blowing the dust off, it is revealed to be a medical textbook. He opens the book (The Junior ABC Guide To Practising Medicine Until You Are Good At It), holding it in one hand while he prods Jack's insides with the other.

Doctor: "This doesn't make sense. According to this schematic, nothing seems to be where it should be. Or where they were yesterday... apart from that one."

The doctor continues trying to make sense of what he finds in Jack's chest cavity. As he prods at a large fleshy organ, the instruments hooked up to Jack begin to blare alarmingly. The doctor drops his book, and leaps backwards halfway across the room.

Doctor: "I didn't do it! I mean... uh oh. He seems to be in a lot of distress. Nurse, check his pupil response."

The nurse grabs a torch, approaches Jack, and pulls open his left eyelid, shining the light inside. After a brief pause, she does the same with his right.

Nurse: "That's going to be quite difficult, Doctor."

Doctor: "Why?"

Nurse: "Because they're gone."

Doctor: "Gone?! What do you mean gone?"

Nurse: "I mean they're gone. His eyes... are gone."

Doctor: "Right... It seems we're no closer to figuring out what's wrong with this man. Maybe we're looking in the wrong place. Get this man to the MRI Machine! I’ll stay here with this book and try to work out what causes a man to have no eyes…"

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Even later that night...

Jack is half-concealed inside the giant donut of the MRI. In the monitoring room next door, Dr Acula and the Doctor watch as their computer screen displays images of Jack's brain.

Dr Acula: "Zat's not good. Zis whole area of his brain is doing nothing. Eet's dead. If zere's one thing I know, it's that brain function is important."

Doctor: "Thank you, Doctor. Let's get him back upstairs."

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Early dawn in Jack's room...

The nurse wheels Jack back into his room. The machines he's hooked up to bleep rhythmically and contentedly, sadly completely failing to reproduce any classic tunes without some help.

Nurse: "It's been a tough night for him, but he seems at peace now. Maybe a little stressed but nothing a good bedbath and full body massage won’t help him with. Things can only get better from here."

Doctor: "Then he's cured! Huzzah! Fetch a blender and get this man some breakfast! I’m thinking lobster, with lots and lots of butter."

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Midnightnick is dead. He was Jack’s Left Lung, Jack Aligned Pulmonary Organ

BHK1978 is dead. He was Jack’s Eyes, Jack Aligned Optic System

Tha Black Phenom is dead. He was Jack’s Parietal Lobe, Jack Aligned Sensory Analysis Centre

Moon_lit_tears has been silenced and will be unable to post in the thread til nightfall.

[Midnightnick]

I'm hard of breath right now. I'm going to lay down.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Great, now Jack is painless. Dr Acula's gonna get his filthy fangs in 'im :mad:

[Arrows]

From 1 to 3. That's what I was afraid of.

[Imarevenant]

From 1 to 3. That's what I was afraid of.

/nod

Only one silencing last night as well.

[Derek B]

All PMs should be sent now, if you think you should have one then send me a PM to let me know. It's late... and yet somehow this deadline was more conventient. :p

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It is now Day Phase 3. With 18players remaining, it is 10votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

[Zeel1]

First me, then my wife..this silencer has something against me, seriously!

Wouldn't call the eyes external, but I guess I can kinda see what BHk was talking about..

[Arrows]

First me, then my wife..this silencer has something against me, seriously!

Wouldn't call the eyes external, but I guess I can kinda see what BHk was talking about..

Well, they are outside the skin. I guess.

[BHK1978]

Well one good thing is my no lynch streak lives on!:D

Bad thing is Jack is now blind!:mad:

Go town.

[bak42]

Well one good thing is my no lynch streak lives on!:D

Bad thing is Jack is now blind!:mad:

Go town.

Not to mention he's lost a lung and part of his brain.

[Zeel1]

If just to find some direction..

Vote: SeanMcFly

I said earlier that I think pressing the types of players that we aren't likely to have anything on late in the game, early, is a good idea. Unless someone has a better idea, I'd like to try this route..

Alright, for the first question, I'll try something that doesn't give much away..like say, are you on top or bottom half of the body?

[mjdgoldeneye]

Are you sure you're not scum, Destiny?

[Zeel1]

Are you sure you're not scum, Destiny?

Not really feeling that right now.

And this is coming from someone who's responsible for starting that meme, so.. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

Not really feeling that right now.

And this is coming from someone who's responsible for starting that meme, so.. :p

Once again, not much proof, but last night established my hypothesis from yesterday as a possibility.

IGMEOY at least, Destiny.

[Arrows]

Once again, not much proof, but last night established my hypothesis from yesterday as a possibility.

IGMEOY at least, Destiny.

I think I understand.

[Jman2k3]

Vote: Destiny

[Zeel1]

Vote: Destiny

Got something, or are you just being scummy? :p

[Arrows]

Once again, not much proof, but last night established my hypothesis from yesterday as a possibility.

IGMEOY at least, Destiny.

I'd like to ask/suggest something, but I'm afraid that might tip off anyone who doesn't get it.:(

[Jman2k3]

Got something, or are you just being scummy? :p

Just have a gut feeling.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd like to ask/suggest something, but I'm afraid that might tip off anyone who doesn't get it.:(

The answer is probably "yes" if we're on the right channel...

Compare last night to the previous one and then check the discussion just after Night 1 ended and my look into Destiny and maybe you can see what I'm getting at.

There's a lot of possible explanations, but I'm not entirely convinced of anyone's alignment, really.

[Arrows]

The answer is probably "yes" if we're on the right channel...

Compare last night to the previous one and then check the discussion just after Night 1 ended and my look into Destiny and maybe you can see what I'm getting at.

There's a lot of possible explanations, but I'm not entirely convinced of anyone's alignment, really.

Noted.

[Zeel1]

I think I get what you're saying, but the thing is, with what Destiny's claimed, it's very unlikely we'll get a lynch on him until we have something solid. Heading that way just seems like a dead-end at the moment. I don't want to sound like I'm defending him - his ability can very easily be tied with scum as well as town, so that doesn't really tell me much. And he still strikes me as the same 'ol scummy Destiny, except more talkative, so I couldn't really say.

All the same, I just have this feeling going that route would waste the day phase, unless he has some major slip-up.

[mjdgoldeneye]

So everyone knows, I'm not really concerned enough about anyone to suggest a direction. If any of you come up with something, feel free to run with it. :p

[Zeel1]

So everyone knows, I'm not really concerned enough about anyone to suggest a direction. If any of you come up with something, feel free to run with it. :p

Don't like my choice..? :(

[Arrows]

Vote: Sean McFly

I get the point to getting information early on these types, and agree. Having no information on less active players late game can be brutal.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yea, sorry, I missed that.

Vote: Sean McFly

Can someone honestly point me to a game where McFly has posted more than, like, 15 times total?

Dynamo townie he is not.

[Max Peck]

Vote: Sean McFly

[bak42]

Yea, sorry, I missed that.

Vote: Sean McFly

Can someone honestly point me to a game where McFly has posted more than, like, 15 times total?

Dynamo townie he is not.

I know I can't think of any.

[Kobe1724]

I think recent events have given us a lot of new information, and I have some hypothesis that I'll be posting up soon.

[Destiny]

I'm looking forward to reading those. As for the direction of today's day phase, I'll follow Zeel1's lead and Vote: Sean McFly.

[masterded]

I know I can't think of any.

I can't either. Which makes me want to vote to force him to post, but with only 10 votes needed and 4 already on I don't want to end up with a situation where people come on see a bandwagon and jump on before they realize how few votes we need. Which I could see happening this game. I say that as for some reason this feels more like a big game to me then a small game (maybe seeing three deaths in one night).

[Arrows]

I can't either. Which makes me want to vote to force him to post, but with only 10 votes needed and 4 already on I don't want to end up with a situation where people come on see a bandwagon and jump on before they realize how few votes we need. Which I could see happening this game. I say that as for some reason this feels more like a big game to me then a small game (maybe seeing three deaths in one night).

/nod

[Zeel1]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

SeanMcFly - 4 - Zeel1, Arrows, MJDGoldeneye, Max Peck

Destiny - 1 - Jman2k3

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Maybe that'll help them keep track of how many votes are needed.. :p

[Destiny]

Thanks for the unofficial Vote Count, Zeel1. It was nice of Jman2k3 to once again come on and vote for me, before fleeing the thread.

[Zeel1]

Thanks for the unofficial Vote Count, Zeel1. It was nice of Jman2k3 to once again come on and vote for me, before fleeing the thread.

Maybe he's going to pull an SF and vote on you every phase to make sure your ability never works.. :p

[Destiny]

He can try to do that if he wishes, but my ability will work during this game whether he votes on me or not, at least as far as I know.

[masterded]

I'm looking forward to reading those. As for the direction of today's day phase, I'll follow Zeel1's lead and Vote: Sean McFly.

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

SeanMcFly - 4 - Zeel1, Arrows, MJDGoldeneye, Max Peck

Destiny - 1 - Jman2k3

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Maybe that'll help them keep track of how many votes are needed.. :p

Hmmm.

[Zeel1]

Hmmm.

Hmm indeed. :cool:

[Destiny]

That is interesting. Why have you not included my vote in the vote count? Is it because I put a space in between "Sean" and "McFly"?

[Zeel1]

Maybe I went over the votes quickly, and only looked for them on the left side of posts, missing Destiny's because it was to the right.

Maybe I know something about his votes that no-one else does.

Maybe I felt like skipping him.

The world may never know.. :D

[Destiny]

I'm assuming it's the first, as it's definately not the second. The third would only mean you're trying to mislead people into thinking there are less votes on SeanMcFly then there actually are.

[Kobe1724]

Okay, here is the relevant information that we have so far:

* A pretty strong lynch mob was started up against Destiny on Day 1.

* Gruntmark was accused of being scum on Day 1.

* Only one or two people probably has the ability to murder and have their ability come into effect in the same cycle (night phase one ended early, meaning everyone sent in their abilities. We had one death and two silences. So that means either two people with the ability to murder chose not to make use of it the first night - unlikely in my estimation - or else one or two murdering abilities by said parties are delayed by at least one night. This is likely as we saw only 1 night one murder but 3 night two murders).

We know that after Gruntmark was accused he turned up dead. He was a Cancer Cell, but their is good reason to believe that whoever killed him didn't know that. I'm going to assume that this wasn't a townie committing the murder because only one kill/murder went through the first night. In my estimation, it's more likely that a scum has a same night killing ability than a townie. It's also unlikely a townie would kill with so little information as they are more likely to kill town than scum. If this assumption is baseless someone please let me know.

Based on the fact that Midnightnick was killed the following night, and we know that he was a townie (and we're tentatively assuming the first murder was committed by scum), I think it's safe to say that he did not kill gruntman. The question then, is why was gruntman killed, and by whom? I think that the killer was Destiny, and here is why:

1. Aside from Destiny, Gruntman was the only other person being accused of anything during day 1. It was a really obscure accusation, but for a person who has apparently been lynched early several times it was likely his best play to try and take some of the heat away from himself. It also potentially sets up Midnight Nick for the frame.

2. BHK was silenced the same night, and was also an accuser of Destiny. If Destiny is teamed up with some other scum, this play makes a lot of sense as they would be silencing one of his most vocal opponents and also throwing the trail off of him by killing the only other person that was accused. All the better that they were scum, but I don't that think that factored into Destiny and his partners decision. It's worth noting that under this hypothesis earygat or SG could have just as easily ended up being the one silenced.

I don't yet have a firm rationale for why zeel was silenced. I don't think that he accused anyone of anything, but I'm going to look through his post to see if I can parse something from them. It's actually possible that this was a townie silencing him (their seems to be a popular opinion in this topic that one of these silences was done by scum and one was done by town). We know that zeel was one of the people defending Destiny, and if a townie with a silencing ability wanted to stop a veteran from defending someone that he thought was guilty then silencing me or zeel would be an intelligent line of thought in order to keep the discussion going about Destiny. There are also a number of other more sinister rationales for why zeel was silenced, however, some of which absolve Destiny. More on that in a later post. My thoughts aren't totally formulated on this idea yet, and I think that my hypothesis that Destiny is scum is more likely.


Midnightnick, BHK1978 and Tha Black Phenom were all killed in night 2. All were town. From this we can make three assumptions:

1. One or two people with silencing abilities also had murdering abilities, and made use of them in night two.

2. At least one (or maybe two) of the people with silencing abilities refrained from using them tonight.

3. One of the murders that came through tonight came with a delay.

Let me elaborate:

1. The murder of BHK on night 2 after silencing him in night 1 falls in line with my hypothesis of Destiny and someone else being scum working together. The heat came off of Destiny after night 1, making silencing anyone unnecessary at this point. So if we assume that we have Destiny and one other person being responsible for one of the night murders and silences, that would free up one of those silencing abilities to commit a murder if that scum in fact had dual abilities.

2. This leaves us with two murders, one of which seems totally unprovoked (Tha Black Phenom), and the other one of which seemed to have provocation (Midnight Nick, who accused a scum of being scum and could be up for a revenge hit).

However, I believe that it is the Tha Black Phenom murder that was done by Destiny and his accomplice, and that it is the Midnight Nick murder that had the delay. My reasoning is as follows:

1. It would make no sense for Destiny and his accomplice to kill Midnight Nick right after setting him up with a frame for gruntman's murder (he was the only person to accuse gruntman, and it's logical to presume that Destiny and co. thought someone would point the finger at midnight Nick). That means that if Midnight Nick was killed as retaliation it was done by another, separate scum group. We don't have enough information to follow this train of thought yet.

2. The murder of Tha Black Phenom is someone that they knew for a fact wasn't with them, and thus statistically likely to be town. It also had the chance of creating confusion.

As such, the Midnight Nick murder was probably put through on night one and carried with it a delay that just came through last night.

Gruntman was killed and BHK was silenced by Destiny and an accomplice on night one.

BHK was killed along with Tha Black Phenom by Destiny and that same accomplice on night two.

zeel could have been silenced by anyone, but I think that it was a townie trying to do the right thing.

My vote:

Lynch Destiny

[Destiny]

Firstly, Kobe1724, you've clearly put a lot of thought and effort into your post. However, unfortunately you're barking up the wrong tree. You have a lot of information about me, but that's because I'm currently the most active player, and have revealed the most. Perhaps instead of looking for reasons why I may be scum, you should be trying to decipher my claim and ability, which I gather many other, more experienced players, already have.

[Wallbanger]

Dang, Kobe, I'm impressed. You've got a very analytic mind and your reasoning here seems really solid, based on good observations.

There are two things, in my opinion, that are coloring your analysis somewhat. The first one is that some of the more personality-driven aspects of how we interact with each other are not being accounted for. Which is not a criticism at all, by the way, it's natural with this being your first game. If you go back and read some of the other games this will help fill in some of the contextual pieces that (and you've indicated you intend to do this, so good on ya).

The second thing is that I think you're making some game-mechanics assumptions that we don't have evidence for and would not be considered 'typical' in many ways. Again, not a criticism, and in fact, may even be a good thing (fresh perspective and such).

You still may have the right conclusion, even taking those things into account. If we can fill in the contextual holes we can see if your conclusions still hold up, or take us another direction.

[Kobe1724]

Firstly, Kobe1724, you've clearly put a lot of thought and effort into your post. However, unfortunately you're barking up the wrong tree. You have a lot of information about me, but that's because I'm currently the most active player, and have revealed the most. Perhaps instead of looking for reasons why I may be scum, you should be trying to decipher my claim and ability, which I gather many other, more experienced players, already have.

I'm only following the murders and silences and how they add up. I'm acting under the presumption that everything said by anyone about their abilities is untrue, as an intelligent scum could easily be deliberately misleading. :)

I hope that you aren't scum because it means my inaction early helped to cause the death of town members if so, but I think that right now the available information points to you. :o

[Kobe1724]

Dang, Kobe, I'm impressed. You've got a very analytic mind and your reasoning here seems really solid, based on good observations.

There are two things, in my opinion, that are coloring your analysis somewhat. The first one is that some of the more personality-driven aspects of how we interact with each other are not being accounted for. Which is not a criticism at all, by the way, it's natural with this being your first game. If you go back and read some of the other games this will help fill in some of the contextual pieces that (and you've indicated you intend to do this, so good on ya).

Thanks for the compliment. As for the personality driven aspects, I agree with you 100%. Several of the things said in the topic so far have been jokes from earlier games that went over my head. I'm not sure how all of that plays into the game, as it's my first time playing.

The second thing is that I think you're making some game-mechanics assumptions that we don't have evidence for and would not be considered 'typical' in many ways. Again, not a criticism, and in fact, may even be a good thing (fresh perspective and such).

You still may have the right conclusion, even taking those things into account. If we can fill in the contextual holes we can see if your conclusions still hold up, or take us another direction.

Which things are a-typical? I assumed several of the things that I said were, but I don't know which ones. :o

[Zeel1]

Kobe, I really do love how much time and effort you seem to be putting into this. Really, it's great seeing that from a first-timer, and if you keep that up you'll be respected in no time.

Having said that, I have a couple things I must counter..

First off - I never exactly defended Destiny. I got why Eayragt and others pressed him, and have often done it the same. But if you'll look back at other games - the most prevelant example being the Over-9000 Verse - you'll see that Destiny has developed a reputation of refusing to defend himself and forcing us to waste large amounts of time. A huge portion of the first three day phases were used up trying desperately to get a few measly answers from him. This was made all the more frustrating by the fact that he was town in that game. Shortly before the start of this game, I swore off ever pressuring Destiny again - deciding I would only vote to lynch when it came to him, in the future - because I knew it would be very unlikely to lead to a useful Day Phase.

I didn't support pressuring on Destiny, because I didn't want the start of the Over-9000 game to happen again. Of course, with him being more talkative this game and actually given us answers, that worry has now passed, so I've no problem with people wanting to press him currently.

And..it's very unlikely Destiny and an accomplice killed BHK and TBP. Scum groups very rarely have two kills - if they do, one of them is typically one-shot or with some other limitation, and I don't know how likely it would be that they'd use that up so early. But yeah, most scum groups only have one at a time. But then, we don't really know the threat we face - scum in small games are slightly harder to predict. Sometimes the mods choose to make only one scum group, and simply beef it up, instead of making two meager groups. If we are dealing with one huge group, then it's possible they had two kills, but I don't see it as likely.

[Destiny]

First off - I never exactly defended Destiny. I got why Eayragt and others pressed him, and have often done it the same. But if you'll look back at other games - the most prevelant example being the Over-9000 Verse - you'll see that Destiny has developed a reputation of refusing to defend himself and forcing us to waste large amounts of time. A huge portion of the first three day phases were used up trying desperately to get a few measly answers from him. This was made all the more frustrating by the fact that he was town in that game. Shortly before the start of this game, I swore off ever pressuring Destiny again - deciding I would only vote to lynch when it came to him, in the future - because I knew it would be very unlikely to lead to a useful Day Phase.

I didn't support pressuring on Destiny, because I didn't want the start of the Over-9000 game to happen again. Of course, with him being more talkative this game and actually given us answers, that worry has now passed, so I've no problem with people wanting to press him currently.


I wouldn't be a very good town leader if I didn't actively contribute in the thread, and prove myself to be a "power townie".

[Arrows]

Thanks for the compliment. As for the personality driven aspects, I agree with you 100%. Several of the things said in the topic so far have been jokes from earlier games that went over my head. I'm not sure how all of that plays into the game, as it's my first time playing.



Which things are a-typical? I assumed several of the things that I said were, but I don't know which ones. :o

The kills that take two nights to happen, for one thing.

[Wallbanger]

Which things are a-typical? I assumed several of the things that I said were, but I don't know which ones. :o

Fair question - here's what I saw, and other vets can chime in as they wish:

So that means either two people with the ability to murder chose not to make use of it the first night - unlikely in my estimation - or else one or two murdering abilities by said parties are delayed by at least one night. This is likely as we saw only 1 night one murder but 3 night two murders).

In this statement the first part I agree with you - typically scum groups must declare a kill attempt if they are able to. The most likely reason they could not declare a kill attempt would be the death of their leader, which of course was not the case here as no one had died yet. The concept of a delayed kill is more rare, though not unheard of, see the recently completed Star Wars game for an example; still, it would not be high on my priority list of exceptions. Roleblocks and protection would seem more likely candidates for limiting kills when there are multiple kills to account for.

It's also unlikely a townie would kill with so little information as they are more likely to kill town than scum. If this assumption is baseless someone please let me know.

Depending on how the role is written (and you did pick up on this a bit) it may be that the person doesn't have a choice in acting, regardless of their alignment. It could also be a passive, reactive ability, where the trigger is being targeted rather than targeting.


1. One or two people with silencing abilities also had murdering abilities, and made use of them in night two.

Kills tend to be stand-alone abilities, because of their power. Pairing the ability with other abilities would be, well, overkill. Though this could be done as a tandem effort, it usually isn't good form to silence a vocal critic for the very reason you're demonstrating, it can be picked up on. In fact, it's a good tool for someone else to direct attention where they want it.

[Kobe1724]

Kobe, I really do love how much time and effort you seem to be putting into this. Really, it's great seeing that from a first-timer, and if you keep that up you'll be respected in no time.

Having said that, I have a couple things I must counter..

First off - I never exactly defended Destiny. I got why Eayragt and others pressed him, and have often done it the same. But if you'll look back at other games - the most prevelant example being the Over-9000 Verse - you'll see that Destiny has developed a reputation of refusing to defend himself and forcing us to waste large amounts of time. A huge portion of the first three day phases were used up trying desperately to get a few measly answers from him. This was made all the more frustrating by the fact that he was town in that game. Shortly before the start of this game, I swore off ever pressuring Destiny again - deciding I would only vote to lynch when it came to him, in the future - because I knew it would be very unlikely to lead to a useful Day Phase.

I didn't support pressuring on Destiny, because I didn't want the start of the Over-9000 game to happen again. Of course, with him being more talkative this game and actually given us answers, that worry has now passed, so I've no problem with people wanting to press him currently.

And..it's very unlikely Destiny and an accomplice killed BHK and TBP. Scum groups very rarely have two kills - if they do, one of them is typically one-shot or with some other limitation, and I don't know how likely it would be that they'd use that up so early. But yeah, most scum groups only have one at a time. But then, we don't really know the threat we face - scum in small games are slightly harder to predict. Sometimes the mods choose to make only one scum group, and simply beef it up, instead of making two meager groups. If we are dealing with one huge group, then it's possible they had two kills, but I don't see it as likely.

Hmmm... the thing that I'm most confused about is why you were silenced. There isn't really a very good rationale for it, especially given what you've just pointed out to me about your statements concerning Destiny (looking back at them I think I read into them a bit in hindsight). In light of that it's highly possible that something in why you were silenced reveals the truth about who the killers/scum are.

Concerning the presence of group sizes, based on previous trends that would mean that we have three separate groups each capable of murdering. That makes this kind of tough in such a small game, as it makes any information we could derive from the kills and silences each night relatively low in value. We have three different rationales going into why each murder is committed. So we can't read into anything aside from what others say. Of course, everyone - including scum - has good reason to be misleading, making that information relatively useless. :(

In light of what you've said, I'll think on it some more. I think we have enough information to make a lynch now though, it's just a matter of parsing it. :)

I'm going to stay with my vote for now, but I'm considering the information you guys have presented really strongly.

[Arrows]

Hmmm... the thing that I'm most confused about is why you were silenced. There isn't really a very good rationale for it, especially given what you've just pointed out to me about your statements concerning Destiny (looking back at them I think I read into them a bit in hindsight). In light of that it's highly possible that something in why you were silenced reveals the truth about who the killers/scum are.

Concerning the presence of group sizes, based on previous trends that would mean that we have three separate groups each capable of murdering. That makes this kind of tough in such a small game, as it makes any information we could derive from the kills and silences each night relatively low in value. We have three different rationales going into why each murder is committed. So we can't read into anything aside from what others say. Of course, everyone - including scum - has good reason to be misleading, making that information relatively useless. :(

In light of what you've said, I'll think on it some more. I think we have enough information to make a lynch now though, it's just a matter of parsing it. :)

I'm going to stay with my vote for now, but I'm considering the information you guys have presented really strongly.

Maybe he was just silenced so he'd shut up for a bit? Maybe the silencer didn't have a better target? Might've even been random. This is the trap Hellshock fell into, and I hope that you don't.

Not everything HAS a reason.

[Zeel1]

Another thing - I think you're putting a little too much stock in the fact that all the kills are thread-based. Many kills - especially early on - are decided based on the player and what they have done in the past, not neccessarily what they have said in-game. MNN, TBP and GruntMark are all respected players, and consequently are all likely candidates to be taken out early. BHK is a fairly good rookie in my estimation, but is very unlikely to be protected and/or watched, which may have made him more inticing a target, as that makes him a very "safe" kill. Whereas if you go after an Arrows or somebody, they're very likely to be protected, or watched or something else such as this.

Later in the game, when most big threats are gone, going by the thread seems more likely. Early on, though, I think it has a lot more to do with reputation..who you don't want to be in the game against.

Hmmm... the thing that I'm most confused about is why you were silenced. There isn't really a very good rationale for it, especially given what you've just pointed out to me about your statements concerning Destiny (looking back at them I think I read into them a bit in hindsight). In light of that it's highly possible that something in why you were silenced reveals the truth about who the killers/scum are.

Concerning the presence of group sizes, based on previous trends that would mean that we have three separate groups each capable of murdering. That makes this kind of tough in such a small game, as it makes any information we could derive from the kills and silences each night relatively low in value. We have three different rationales going into why each murder is committed. So we can't read into anything aside from what others say. Of course, everyone - including scum - has good reason to be misleading, making that information relatively useless.

In light of what you've said, I'll think on it some more. I think we have enough information to make a lynch now though, it's just a matter of parsing it.

I'm going to stay with my vote for now, but I'm considering the information you guys have presented really strongly.

You might be overthinking this..although, that's a lot better than underthinking something, so there's that. :p

I was silenced because I always talk a lot, simple as that. Scum hate discussion, and want it stifled. The less speaking that goes on in a day phase, the better chance the scum have of slipping past our radars. Plus, I was vocal about the fact that I'm taking a lot of notes this game - much more than usual. One simple conclusion is that they looked at that and figured they'd best keep me from putting that to good use.

And no, there aren't three killing groups, persay, that'd be crazy. It's possible there are two groups, and on SK - that's about the "basic" setup for GDS games. But three full scum groups..don't have to worry much there, especially in a game of this size. Really, we don't know what led to the three deaths. Maybe there was a vig, maybe there was a PGO, who knows? The write-ups may be the darkest I've ever seen, we see NOTHING that transpires inside of Jack. Who really knows the killing methods that are going on?

[Arrows]

Another thing - I think you're putting a little too much stock in the fact that all the kills are thread-based. Many kills - especially early on - are decided based on the player and what they have done in the past, not neccessarily what they have said in-game. MNN, TBP and GruntMark are all respected players, and consequently are all likely candidates to be taken out early. BHK is a fairly good rookie in my estimation, but is very unlikely to be protected and/or watched, which may have made him more inticing a target, as that makes him a very "safe" kill. Whereas if you go after an Arrows or somebody, they're very likely to be protected, or watched or something else such as this.

Later in the game, when most big threats are gone, going by the thread seems more likely. Early on, though, I think it has a lot more to do with reputation..who you don't want to be in the game against.



You might be overthinking this..although, that's a lot better than underthinking something, so there's that. :p

I was silenced because I always talk a lot, simple as that. Scum hate discussion, and want it stifled. The less speaking that goes on in a day phase, the better chance the scum have of slipping past our radars. Plus, I was vocal about the fact that I'm taking a lot of notes this game - much more than usual. One simple conclusion is that they looked at that and figured they'd best keep me from putting that to good use.

And no, there aren't three killing groups, persay, that'd be crazy. It's possible there are two groups, and on SK - that's about the "basic" setup for GDS games. But three full scum groups..don't have to worry much there, especially in a game of this size. Really, we don't know what led to the three deaths. Maybe there was a vig, maybe there was a PGO, who knows? The write-ups may be the darkest I've ever seen, we see NOTHING that transpires inside of Jack. Who really knows the killing methods that are going on?

Could be an inno trying to keep you from over ruling the game with your uber scummy ways. Nick and I pulled that trick long ago. It works well when done right. :cool:

[Kobe1724]

Fair question - here's what I saw, and other vets can chime in as they wish:



In this statement the first part I agree with you - typically scum groups must declare a kill attempt if they are able to. The most likely reason they could not declare a kill attempt would be the death of their leader, which of course was not the case here as no one had died yet. The concept of a delayed kill is more rare, though not unheard of, see the recently completed Star Wars game for an example; still, it would not be high on my priority list of exceptions. Roleblocks and protection would seem more likely candidates for limiting kills when there are multiple kills to account for.

If it has happened in the past I don't want to totally disqualify it, although this roleblock idea is interesting. My question is why would we have kill-silence-silence and then kill-kill-kill. If these are five or six separate people with different abilities, why are they using them so selectively? Why did the two people with silencing abilities refrain from using them at all in night 2? I don't have a good answer for this.



Depending on how the role is written (and you did pick up on this a bit) it may be that the person doesn't have a choice in acting, regardless of their alignment. It could also be a passive, reactive ability, where the trigger is being targeted rather than targeting.


So what exactly are some things that would cause a reactive murder/reactive silencing? In night one I can't think of anything, although any of the murders in night two could be reactive to a night one action. But aside from as a reaction to murders/silences that take place, are dormant abilities awakened for any other reason, typically?



Kills tend to be stand-alone abilities, because of their power. Pairing the ability with other abilities would be, well, overkill. Though this could be done as a tandem effort, it usually isn't good form to silence a vocal critic for the very reason you're demonstrating, it can be picked up on. In fact, it's a good tool for someone else to direct attention where they want it.

I've actually been thinking something similarly for a while now. It's possible that I could be on a totally wrong trail. After all, whoever has the ability to silence/murder has thought it was a good idea to allow me to keep talking so far. I could be reading everything in exactly the wrong way. :)

At the same time, in no limit texas holdem' (poker) when you play people at low levels a lot of the time they make massive over bets when they've made a strong pre-flop bet and the flop misses them. They want to take the pot down quickly, and their strong bets are frequently an indicator they don't have anything. The logic follows - If you have a strong hand why are you trying to push me out of the pot?

However, at higher levels good players use that logic against their opponents. They make really big over bets when they have incredibly good hands, thinking their opponents will put them on nothing and call down.

To bring that back to mafia, a person could make the decision to silence or murder their critics using the logic that it's such a brazen move that no one would try it. By being obvious, they are being deceptive. :D

[Kobe1724]

And no, there aren't three killing groups, persay, that'd be crazy. It's possible there are two groups, and on SK - that's about the "basic" setup for GDS games. But three full scum groups..don't have to worry much there, especially in a game of this size. Really, we don't know what led to the three deaths. Maybe there was a vig, maybe there was a PGO, who knows? The write-ups may be the darkest I've ever seen, we see NOTHING that transpires inside of Jack. Who really knows the killing methods that are going on?

What do SK, vig and PGO stand for? :)

[Arrows]

If it has happened in the past I don't want to totally disqualify it, although this roleblock idea is interesting. My question is why would we have kill-silence-silence and then kill-kill-kill. If these are five or six separate people with different abilities, why are they using them so selectively? Why did the two people with silencing abilities refrain from using them at all in night 2? I don't have a good answer for this.




So what exactly are some things that would cause a reactive murder/reactive silencing? In night one I can't think of anything, although any of the murders in night two could be reactive to a night one action. But aside from as a reaction to murders/silences that take place, are dormant abilities awakened for any other reason, typically?





I've actually been thinking something similarly for a while now. It's possible that I could be on a totally wrong trail. After all, whoever has the ability to silence/murder has thought it was a good idea to allow me to keep talking so far. I could be reading everything in exactly the wrong way. :)

At the same time, in no limit texas holdem' (poker) when you play people at low levels a lot of the time they make massive over bets when they've made a strong pre-flop bet and the flop misses them. They want to take the pot down quickly, and their strong bets are frequently an indicator they don't have anything. The logic follows - If you have a strong hand why are you trying to push me out of the pot?

However, at higher levels good players use that logic against their opponents. They make really big over bets when they have incredibly good hands, thinking their opponents will put them on nothing and call down.

To bring that back to mafia, a person could make the decision to silence or murder their critics using the logic that it's such a brazen move that no one would try it. By being obvious, they are being deceptive. :D

Thus, me killing killing someone I was pissed off at, after calling him out in the thread, and nobody ever even looking in my direction.

Such things do happen, yes.

Oh, and there was a silence N2. MLT.

[Arrows]

What do SK, vig and PGO stand for? :)

SK is a serial killer. Stand alone bad guy who kills every night(typically), and has to be 1 on 1 to win.

Vig is a town player with a kill.

PGO is a paranoid gun owner. Anyone who targets the PGO dies. Like I did with Destiny in SW3. The PGO is a reactive ability. It doesn't have a target.

[Wallbanger]

I like the hold'em analogy. (I don't get to play near enough.)

But as you probably know, at top levels the game is about reading the person more than reading the cards, and adapting your style to take advantage of the tells the other guy in the pot gives off. Mafia is like that in some ways.

[Kobe1724]

Thus, me killing killing someone I was pissed off at, after calling him out in the thread, and nobody ever even looking in my direction.

Such things do happen, yes.

Oh, and there was a silence N2. MLT.

I missed that somehow, but for what it's worth Moon_lit_tears was not up for lynching Destiny.

Regardless of what's going on, there are a lot of abilities out here. At least four, and maybe 6 or 7.

[Wallbanger]

I missed that somehow, but for what it's worth Moon_lit_tears was not up for lynching Destiny.

Regardless of what's going on, there are a lot of abilities out here. At least four, and maybe 6 or 7.

I'd even go higher than that. While there is such a thing as a 'vanilla' townie, where the only thing they have is their vote, GDS games tend to eschew them. When I did my training game, I purposely limited power-based roles to get people to rely on post analysis more than using their abilities to succeed.

[Zeel1]

Gotta be going to bed now, but before I do: since no-one else has asked McFly anything, I'll also ask - do you go out at night?

And I'll say again - I myself love the thought you put into this game, Kobe. I can kinda get Arrows' Hellshock comparison, but I disagree, I don't think you're getting to that levels. Once you become more knowledgable of the game, I think you're going to be very dangerous..keep up the good work.

And also, since I like being helpful, and we have a new page;

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

SeanMcFly - 5 - Zeel1, Arrows, MJDGoldeneye, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny - 2 - Jman2k3, Kobe1724

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

[Arrows]

Gotta be going to bed now, but before I do: since no-one else has asked McFly anything, I'll also ask - do you go out at night?

And I'll say again - I myself love the thought you put into this game, Kobe. I can kinda get Arrows' Hellshock comparison, but I disagree, I don't think you're getting to that levels. Once you become more knowledgable of the game, I think you're going to be very dangerous..keep up the good work.

And also, since I like being helpful, and we have a new page;

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

SeanMcFly - 5 - Zeel1, Arrows, MJDGoldeneye, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny - 2 - Jman2k3, Kobe1724

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

/nod, just wanted to nip it in the bud.

[Kobe1724]

I like the hold'em analogy. (I don't get to play near enough.)

But as you probably know, at top levels the game is about reading the person more than reading the cards, and adapting your style to take advantage of the tells the other guy in the pot gives off. Mafia is like that in some ways.

With any luck our line of discussion will cause the scum to try and adapt in such a way that gives off a tell, then. :D

SK is a serial killer. Stand alone bad guy who kills every night(typically), and has to be 1 on 1 to win.

It's unlikely we have one of these then. We only had one kill the first night. and following the logic that scum sound like they have to kill someone every night then that means were either don't have an SK or else they have an every other night ability.

Vig is a town player with a kill.

This actually makes a lot of sense, and would account for the increase in night 2 deaths. Do we want to out this person if they exist? I can think of some reasons for and against it.


PGO is a paranoid gun owner. Anyone who targets the PGO dies. Like I did with Destiny in SW3. The PGO is a reactive ability. It doesn't have a target.

All three of the kills in night two were townies, so they weren't the result of a PGO, most likely (unless we have a vig that was killed). A PGO could definitely be around though.

[Arrows]

With any luck our line of discussion will cause the scum to try and adapt in such a way that gives off a tell, then. :D



It's unlikely we have one of these then. We only had one kill the first night. and following the logic that scum sound like they have to kill someone every night then that means were either don't have an SK or else they have an every other night ability.



This actually makes a lot of sense, and would account for the increase in night 2 deaths. Do we want to out this person if they exist? I can think of some reasons for and against it.



All three of the kills in night two were townies, so they weren't the result of a PGO, most likely (unless we have a vig that was killed). A PGO could definitely be around though.

A vig is generally best kept hidden. There could have been kills prevented night one, to explain the lack of kills.

A PGO kills ANYONE who targets him. Protectors, investigators, killers, ANYONE.

[Kobe1724]

I'm going to bed too. :)

I'd even go higher than that. While there is such a thing as a 'vanilla' townie, where the only thing they have is their vote, GDS games tend to eschew them. When I did my training game, I purposely limited power-based roles to get people to rely on post analysis more than using their abilities to succeed.

Hmmm... so then a lot of people simply aren't using their abilities every night. Interesting.


Gotta be going to bed now, but before I do: since no-one else has asked McFly anything, I'll also ask - do you go out at night?

And I'll say again - I myself love the thought you put into this game, Kobe. I can kinda get Arrows' Hellshock comparison, but I disagree, I don't think you're getting to that levels. Once you become more knowledgable of the game, I think you're going to be very dangerous..keep up the good work.

Thanks. :D Question though, what happened with hellshock that's apparently dangerous? :)

[Arrows]

I'm going to bed too. :)



Hmmm... so then a lot of people simply aren't using their abilities every night. Interesting.



Thanks. :D Question though, what happened with hellshock that's apparently dangerous? :)


He fell into the line of thinking that everything had a reason and hunting for motive would solve everything.

[MichiganHero]

VOTE : SeanMcFly

Inactivity kills. We need answers.

[eayragt]

Kobe - good reasoning. However, a couple of things:

Firstly, I don't think your vote will count, as you put Lynch instead of Vote

Secondly, as people has said it's a little too easy to read too much into early kills (but you definately can read a lot more later on). If Player 1 says Player 2 is scum and then Player 1 is nightkilled it could mean either Player 2 is scum and Player 1 has been killed as he's got his eye on Player 1, or Player 2 is town and the scum group are trying to frame him. At this stage it's very difficult to distinguish between the two - although it's worth baring in mind when we know Player 2's alignment.

As for last night, I think we have to assume that on Night 1 we missed a kill. That's make GruntMark the Cult Leader, and two killers - scum and Serial Killer. Either they both targetted Gruntmark (possible - he's a damned good player and obviously not a candidate to get protected or watched), or one of the kills failed due to bulletproofness, protection, roleblocking, hiding, or some other method I've forgotten about. Night 1 results may give us suggestions about which of the above may have happened, but there's no way to telling now. However, again later in the game we might be able to narrow down Night 1 results as more is known about various targets, so let's not discount these.

However, even that would mean we're still a kill short last night. Two options:

1) Scum double kill. In Outbreak as well as a hitman there was the Hunter, who could kill someone by successfully targetting them two nights running. Perhaps in this game the first Night results in a silence, second successful target a kill. I'm not as convinced as this as the far simpler answer of:

2) PGO. One of my most disliked roles. Or perhaps a more limited form of PGO, as in my opinion they're massively swingy roles that can make or break games by random. Could easily explain one... or more of the kills. BHK (and maybe TBP) both have roles that suggest going out at night

or there's

3) A second scum group / 2nd SK / a recruited cancer killing. Possible, but we'd need to wait until tomorrow before really taking this route.

So, 18 players left, 1 silenced, probably at least 6 non townies, 10 to lynch... Christ, not easy to lynch, and not a lot of breathing room if we're going to continue to lose three people a night. Hopefully that rules out Option 3 above.

SeanMcFly - we're really going to need you to come out quickly and say something. If we wait a day for you and then change course the only way we're likely to get a lynch with these numbers if with scum help... which they may only be willing to give if we're voting on town.

So please pick some questions from:

Do you go out at night?
Can you give us a vague hint abut what you are?
Any idea why there was only 1 kill on Night 1?
Do you think mjdgoldeneye is acting scummy?

[Zeel1]

Do you go out at night?
Can you give us a vague hint abut what you are?
Any idea why there was only 1 kill on Night 1?
Do you think mjdgoldeneye is acting scummy?

I would also like him to answer my earlier question about what half of the body he was on. Wanting to babystep it, but forgot for a moment who we were dealing with.. :p

Thing about lurkers, is you know they aren't going to respond until they absolutely have to. Hell, I don't know if I've even seen McFly defend himself before..any pressing on them will take up time. But I figure we can afford that time now more than we can 10 phases from now. Need to get this out of the way..

[Zeel1]

I would also like him to answer my earlier question about what half of the body he was on. Wanted to babystep it, but forgot for a moment who we were dealing with.. :p

Thing about lurkers, is you know they aren't going to respond until they absolutely have to. Hell, I don't know if I've even seen McFly defend himself before..any pressing on them will take up time. But I figure we can afford that time now more than we can 10 phases from now. Need to get this out of the way..

Fixed a little.

[eayragt]

Thing about lurkers, is you know they aren't going to respond until they absolutely have to. Hell, I don't know if I've even seen McFly defend himself before..any pressing on them will take up time. But I figure we can afford that time now more than we can 10 phases from now. Need to get this out of the way..

Sometime Real-Life TM does get in the way - I know it sometimes takes me 24 hours to get back online. That's fine. However, if at this point he's town, see's the question and still lurks, that's not.

However, the fact that votes built up very quickly on him leads me to believe that scum have helped this one along, so I'd really like him to come on and give us something so we can move on.

[Zeel1]

However, the fact that votes built up very quickly on him leads me to believe that scum have helped this one along, so I'd really like him to come on and give us something so we can move on.

/nod

Peck's vote in particular gave me that kind of inkling, although that may just be my natural dislike of votes without noting reasons. Some people jump on pressurings without explaination, with only the best intentions. And it's his first game, so I was more willing to write it off as such.

Still, can't help but feel a little off about it.

[The Two]

Lynch Destiny

Incorrect formatting. Please see first post for correct way to format votes.

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

SeanMcFly (6): Zeel1, Arrows, MJD, Max Peck, Destiny, MichiganHero

Destiny (1): Jman2k3

[The Two]

Due to inactivity, SeanMcFly has been replaced by ShadowedFlames with immediate effect.

[ShadowedFlames]

And on that note, I'm trying to catch up. Only on page 4 (40 posts per), so I'll give you the brief version of 20 answers. 1) Yes, my role goes out, inasmuch as one can within a body. 2) As for a hint...well, let's just say that hints can be overanalayzed to the point where one's brain hurts, and thus may not come out well for all involved. 3) I am yet to read night 1, will reserve that answer for when I get there. 4) MJ is always scummy, just sometimes he actually is town. Leave me any questions; I'll do what I can when I catch up.

[Derek B]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 15th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (6): Zeel1, Arrows, MJD, Max Peck, Destiny, MichiganHero

Destiny (1): Jman2k3

[MichiganHero]

ShadowedFlames, do you have a night ability, and if so, did you target any of the three that died or moon_lit_tears, in the last night phase?

[MichiganHero]

ShadowedFlames, do you have a night ability, and if so, did you target any of the three that died or moon_lit_tears, in the last night phase?

Ignore the first question but keep the second question in mind.

[ShadowedFlames]

ShadowedFlames, do you have a night ability, and if so, did you target any of the three that died or moon_lit_tears, in the last night phase?

1) Ignored. :D 2) No, I was not active in the game. :p I can tell you that Sean targeted no one, if that helps. *back to catching up, page 6 now*

[Destiny]

Well, primarily I'm pleased that SeanMcFly has been replaced. I find it very irritating when people sign up with no intention of actually playing the game.

[MichiganHero]

Oh, and Change Vote : No Vote
SF has been more helpful in 1 day than Sean has in the entire game.

[SGRaaize]

m, but I don't that think that factored into Destiny and his partners decision. It's worth noting that under this hypothesis earygat or SG could have just as easily ended up being the one silenced.

I didn't actually accuse Destiny of being scum, only of making a BS role up (which I still think he did, but whatever)
Also, I think you're giving too much priority on the silencers, they are likely to be silencing those who say more things, because they are afraid of them being able to find them, not because they found something before

Also, what's up with BHK saying his role is external and that he can't see how it would help inside the organs, I thought he was saying he was a character from outside Jack's body :mad:

And it seems my vote on SeanMcFly is not necessary anymore, so I'l go back to the shadows now :cool:

[ShadowedFlames]

And...caught up. I'm thinking that Night 1 may have been shortened somehow, which explains why it ended early and only one death happened. N2, I see scum, SK, and maybe a vig. Small game, I just do not see two full scum groups without giving them something to compensate for the fact that each group may only have 3 in it. Game of 22 people, I see maybe 7 as upper scum limit: 3 red, 3 green (Cancer) and an SK (Ebola, anyone?). As for the question posed about MJ (Zeel, I think?), now that I am caught up I can say that right now I do not have a read on him. Maybe after another bout of analysi

[ShadowedFlames]

Note that there's two theories in the above post. Trying to play with my brain half asleep is not helping me. ...Although, the more I think about it, I'm thinking that there's also a possibility that if the two-scum-group theory is right, Grunt was the green hitman and got intercepted before he could kill (and thus the one kill). *sigh* Need time to absorb everything and to wake up fully.

[petrija]

...Ew at three deaths.

Anyone else wonder if Jack's eyes being gone might cause us to get darker write ups now?

[MichiganHero]

...Ew at three deaths.

Anyone else wonder if Jack's eyes being gone might cause us to get darker write ups now?
What would the write-ups be like if the ears go next :eek:

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (5): Zeel1, Arrows, MJD, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny (1): Jman2k3

[MichiganHero]

01. Arrows
02. Bak42
04. Destiny
05. Eayragt
07. Imarevenant
08. Jman2k3
09. Kobe1724
10. Masterded
11. Max Peck
12. MichiganHero
14. MJDGoldeneye
15. Moon Lit Tears
16. Petrija
17. ShadowedFlames (Replacing SeanMcFly)
18. SGRaaize
19. SuperOwens
21. Wallbanger
22. Zeel1

I feel these two bolded people pose suspicion.

SGRaaize, you said, and I quote "Also, I think you're giving too much priority on the silencers". Why would we want to make silencers a priority.

Jman2k3, you seem intent on lnyching Destiny for some reason. We have dropped the Destiny case.....for now.

[SGRaaize]

I was referring to the fact that Kobe1724 was theorizing way too much about the silencers, when it could be that they just silenced BHK and Zeel1 because they talked a lot, instead of because of something they said

[MichiganHero]

I was referring to the fact that Kobe1724 was theorizing way too much about the silencers, when it could be that they just silenced BHK and Zeel1 because they talked a lot, instead of because of something they said

BHK and Zeel1 say their thoughts out loud, which if they think someone isn't Jack-aligned and they blurt/state that with facts...boom, scum are down one. People who talk a lot are sum's worst nightmares.

[SGRaaize]

That's exactly my point
Kobe1724 was finding reasons behind the silencing, mentioning they were against Destiny and stuff, while it could have been that they simply talk too much

[eayragt]

The SF replacement puts Night 1 in a different light. and may mean that we don't waste too much of today.

Once again, not much proof, but last night established my hypothesis from yesterday as a possibility.

IGMEOY at least, Destiny.

Let's assume that I know what you mean, which I think I do, what choose you to do what you did when you did, which has lead you to think this now?

[Zeel1]

Well..McFly getting replaced by someone more active kinda defeats the purpose of this pressing, doesn't it? :p

Ah well. Thank you for being cooperative, SF, even if you did seem to forget my question about what half of the body you're on.. :p

Change Vote: No Vote, for now. Gonna re-read the thread and see if I can find a better suspect.

[ShadowedFlames]

@ Zeel: you try power reading some 700 posts in one sitting, while half asleep, and see if you can remember everything. :p Your answer is upper.

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (4): Arrows, MJDGoldeneye, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny (1): Jman2k3

[Zeel1]

Alright, so,

MNN tried to start something on Bak just before he died. I don't want to jump to conclusions on that, but it seems to be something of note to me. He put a vote on him, siting lack of contributions. Destiny voted to aid this. Bak came on, and invited questions, but nobody asked him anything game-related. (WB fluffed with him a little) This coasted into the phase eventually ending the next day.

It's kinda bothered me for a while that he got off the hook without any real pressing, but that wasn't his fault nobody asked him anything so it didn't seem like something worth talking about. However, after considering the fact that MNN started it and died very shortly after, it makes me worry just a little bit about Bak. Not lynch-worry, but perhaps pressure-worry.

What do you guys think, sound like plausible cause?

By the way, Destiny. I think I might just know what body part you are. I could easily be wrong, but I've got an idea as to what it is you are or atleast claiming to be. I don't see much trouble in you claiming, but if you still want to be vague - and you seem to be, which is cool - then just answer me this: Are you located in the colon?

[Wallbanger]

bak is at least hinting a body part, which one can derive possible functions/roles from. Doesn't mean it couldn't be a feint, but I'm getting decent vibes from him for the moment.

That being said, zeel's point is worth consideration.

[Zeel1]

bak is at least hinting a body part, which one can derive possible functions/roles from. Doesn't mean it couldn't be a feint, but I'm getting decent vibes from him for the moment.

That being said, zeel's point is worth consideration.

Hmm.

The thing you took as a hint may have been written as fluff by me when I read it, but you could be right.

Would like to hear if Bak could confirm somewhat, though.

Vote: Bak42

So that sets up nicely for my first question: Have you hinted yet? Don't have to point it out, just say yes or no.

[Zeel1]

Hmm.

The thing you took as a hint may have been written off as fluff by me when I read it, but you could be right.

Would like to hear if Bak could confirm somewhat, though.

Vote: Bak42

So that sets up nicely for my first question: Have you hinted yet? Don't have to point it out, just say yes or no.

Fixed. Also, forgot to mention before - welcome to the game, SF! :p

[Jman2k3]

01. Arrows
02. Bak42
04. Destiny
05. Eayragt
07. Imarevenant
08. Jman2k3
09. Kobe1724
10. Masterded
11. Max Peck
12. MichiganHero
14. MJDGoldeneye
15. Moon Lit Tears
16. Petrija
17. ShadowedFlames (Replacing SeanMcFly)
18. SGRaaize
19. SuperOwens
21. Wallbanger
22. Zeel1

I feel these two bolded people pose suspicion.

SGRaaize, you said, and I quote "Also, I think you're giving too much priority on the silencers". Why would we want to make silencers a priority.

Jman2k3, you seem intent on lnyching Destiny for some reason. We have dropped the Destiny case.....for now.

Someone is suspicious of me......oh no!!!!!! :eek:

[mjdgoldeneye]

First of all, do ya'll still not have some sort of bearing on what's normal from me? What have I done that's even a little scummy?

Please, if you want to call me scummy, or suggest it's a question worth asking, find one (any one) example of why you feel that way and add that in somewhere. A "feeling" is BS. This has been proven in 35+ trials.

Let's assume that I know what you mean, which I think I do, what choose you to do what you did when you did, which has lead you to think this now?

Why not? I did what I did simply so I could see if we'd get a situation like the one we have now.

Destiny's posts are unnaturally robotic (even for him). I wasn't the only one who thought so.

[bak42]

That's exactly my point
Kobe1724 was finding reasons behind the silencing, mentioning they were against Destiny and stuff, while it could have been that they simply talk too muchHeck, the BHK silencing could simply have been someone was tired of continually seeing "Don't taze me bro."

Hmm.

The thing you took as a hint may have been written as fluff by me when I read it, but you could be right.

Would like to hear if Bak could confirm somewhat, though.

Vote: Bak42

So that sets up nicely for my first question: Have you hinted yet? Don't have to point it out, just say yes or no.

Yes.

[ShadowedFlames]

Alright, so,

MNN tried to start something on Bak just before he died. I don't want to jump to conclusions on that, but it seems to be something of note to me. He put a vote on him, siting lack of contributions. Destiny voted to aid this. Bak came on, and invited questions, but nobody asked him anything game-related. (WB fluffed with him a little) This coasted into the phase eventually ending the next day.

It's kinda bothered me for a while that he got off the hook without any real pressing, but that wasn't his fault nobody asked him anything so it didn't seem like something worth talking about. However, after considering the fact that MNN started it and died very shortly after, it makes me worry just a little bit about Bak. Not lynch-worry, but perhaps pressure-worry.

What do you guys think, sound like plausible cause?

By the way, Destiny. I think I might just know what body part you are. I could easily be wrong, but I've got an idea as to what it is you are or atleast claiming to be. I don't see much trouble in you claiming, but if you still want to be vague - and you seem to be, which is cool - then just answer me this: Are you located in the colon?

Pressure-worthy? Eh, with no other real leads, I suppose so. Thing is, it'd take a scum team with large...erm..."marbles" to do that, because it's standard knowledge that "only inexperienced scum do something like that."

In no way would I say this is anything lynch-worthy yet.

[Zeel1]

Pressure-worthy? Eh, with no other real leads, I suppose so. Thing is, it'd take a scum team with large...erm..."marbles" to do that, because it's standard knowledge that "only inexperienced scum do something like that."

In no way would I say this is anything lynch-worthy yet.

..precisely why someone would do it. :p

Not looking to get into a WIFOM, but I really don't think there's much danger in taking out somebody that's called you out anymore. I mean, with the mindset that no scum team would try it, there's therefore few people that would call them out on it. I see it once in a while - one or two bring it up, the accusee shoots it down by saying "I would never do something that obvious as scum", they WIFOM back and forth for a while..lynch usually doesn't get much headway with it, because few think they'd be that dumb.

In any case, I'm just looking for a direction currently, and Bak looks as good a place as any to me, right now, based on what I've said..what do you think? Anyone you got your eye on?

[ShadowedFlames]

..precisely why someone would do it. :p

Not looking to get into a WIFOM, but I really don't think there's much danger in taking out somebody that's called you out anymore. I mean, with the mindset that no scum team would try it, there's therefore few people that would call them out on it. I see it once in a while - one or two bring it up, the accusee shoots it down by saying "I would never do something that obvious as scum", they WIFOM back and forth for a while..lynch usually doesn't get much headway with it, because few think they'd be that dumb.

In any case, I'm just looking for a direction currently, and Bak looks as good a place as any to me, right now, based on what I've said..what do you think? Anyone you got your eye on?

First off...you're right. I was hoping someone else would have taken the bait and said that--maybe gotten another lead out of it. Since that isn't going to work now... :p

Looking at the list, there's a few names I don't have anything mentally for (my notes are all in my head, as shoddy as they are). Aside from the usual suspects, the one that sort of stands out is petrija. Yeah, I know we both play really quiet games and all, but...I dunno. It's not quite a gut instinct but something just makes me uncomfortable.

Aside from that, I'll likely be a bit more comfortable in the role after this cycle ends; it always takes me a bit to get used to subbing back into a game.

[Zeel1]

First off...you're right. I was hoping someone else would have taken the bait and said that--maybe gotten another lead out of it. Since that isn't going to work now... :p

Looking at the list, there's a few names I don't have anything mentally for (my notes are all in my head, as shoddy as they are). Aside from the usual suspects, the one that sort of stands out is petrija. Yeah, I know we both play really quiet games and all, but...I dunno. It's not quite a gut instinct but something just makes me uncomfortable.

Aside from that, I'll likely be a bit more comfortable in the role after this cycle ends; it always takes me a bit to get used to subbing back into a game.

Actually, I never really pegged Pet as quiet. Moreso, she usually comes across to me as one of the more middleground posters..sometimes she posts loads, sometime she has less than 50 at endgame. It just depends on the situation for her, I suppose..

Looking at her last few big games;

Star Wars 3 - 101 posts
Over-9000 - 37 posts
Pokemon - 166 posts
Sunnydale - 46 posts

Seems to vary quite a bit, doesn't it..

[Arrows]

Actually, I never really pegged Pet as quiet. Moreso, she usually comes across to me as one of the more middleground posters..sometimes she posts loads, sometime she has less than 50 at endgame. It just depends on the situation for her, I suppose..

Looking at her last few big games;

Star Wars 3 - 101 posts
Over-9000 - 37 posts
Pokemon - 166 posts
Sunnydale - 46 posts

Seems to vary quite a bit, doesn't it..

It depends on her time. With work and all, it slows down.

[ShadowedFlames]

It depends on her time. With work and all, it slows down.

/nod. I know that too well. But I just feel uneasy about her in this game. Not anything I'd want to push on yet, but just something I am noting to myself.

[petrija]

First off...you're right. I was hoping someone else would have taken the bait and said that--maybe gotten another lead out of it. Since that isn't going to work now... :p

Looking at the list, there's a few names I don't have anything mentally for (my notes are all in my head, as shoddy as they are). Aside from the usual suspects, the one that sort of stands out is petrija. Yeah, I know we both play really quiet games and all, but...I dunno. It's not quite a gut instinct but something just makes me uncomfortable.

Aside from that, I'll likely be a bit more comfortable in the role after this cycle ends; it always takes me a bit to get used to subbing back into a game.


Why for?

Actually, I never really pegged Pet as quiet. Moreso, she usually comes across to me as one of the more middleground posters..sometimes she posts loads, sometime she has less than 50 at endgame. It just depends on the situation for her, I suppose..

Looking at her last few big games;

Star Wars 3 - 101 posts
Over-9000 - 37 posts
Pokemon - 166 posts
Sunnydale - 46 posts

Seems to vary quite a bit, doesn't it..

LOL. Those are the games I've been most quiet. You weren't around for my post whore days.

/nod. I know that too well. But I just feel uneasy about her in this game. Not anything I'd want to push on yet, but just something I am noting to myself.

Oh, that's not uneasiness darlin. ;)

[ShadowedFlames]

Oh, that's not uneasiness darlin. ;)

Indigestion, then? :cool:

[petrija]

Indigestion, then? :cool:

Perhaps.

[Arrows]

Upset Stomach!

[petrija]

We missed nausea and heartburn.

[ShadowedFlames]

Indigestion, then? :cool:Upset Stomach!

We missed nausea and heartburn.


....I'm not about to finish this chain. Someone else can.

[Wallbanger]

....I'm not about to finish this chain. Someone else can.

Not about to give up too much about your character, I take it? :p

[Arrows]

Change Vote: Bak42

I'm really not liking the laid back attitude and nothingness that's going on within the town this game. We've accomplished nothing so far, and that needs to change. We can't win sitting around staring at the wall.

[bak42]

Change Vote: Bak42

I'm really not liking the laid back attitude and nothingness that's going on within the town this game. We've accomplished nothing so far, and that needs to change. We can't win sitting around staring at the wall.

And killing off more of Jack won't help.

[Wallbanger]

Max Peck, have you learned anything else of interest?

[Jman2k3]

Change Vote: Bak42

I'm really not liking the laid back attitude and nothingness that's going on within the town this game. We've accomplished nothing so far, and that needs to change. We can't win sitting around staring at the wall.

Agreed. Destiny can die later.

Change Vote: Bak42

[Derek B]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (3): MJD, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny (3): Jman2k3, Arrows, Zeel1

[Jman2k3]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (3): MJD, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny (3): Jman2k3, Arrows, Zeel1

Yeah, might need to correct the votes. :p :D

[eayragt]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (3): MJD, Max Peck, Destiny

Destiny (3): Jman2k3, Arrows, Zeel1

Yeah, might need to correct the votes. :p :D

Bak / Destiny, easily confused :D.

And killing off more of Jack won't help.

I think it will. Town not voting on anyone doesn't help us figure things out in the thread at all. Relying on power roles is lazy play.

Vote: bak42

What have you done so far? Anything that 80% makes you town?

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (3): MJDGoldeneye, Max Peck, Destiny

Bak42 (4): Zeel1, Arrows, Jman2k3, Eayragt

[Max Peck]

Change Vote: Bak42

[SGRaaize]

5 votes already, if I vote, he could get lynched before even seeing the pressure
It seems we're grasping at straws here, so be it, I'l be following this and see where it goes

[Zeel1]

5 votes already, if I vote, he could get lynched before even seeing the pressure
It seems we're grasping at straws here, so be it, I'l be following this and see where it goes

He's seen the pressure;

And killing off more of Jack won't help.

[MichiganHero]

He's seen the pressure;

Due to Zeel's above post.

VOTE : bak42

[Zeel1]

Just checked and I think we've got about five hours 'till the phase ends. So it looks like this will remain as our direction..

Bak, do you go out at night? Any idea why we just had one kill N1? Anyone you're suspicious of?

[Destiny]

I'll be around later if my vote is needed, but I don't want to vote now as bak42 will then only be a couple of votes away from being lynched.

[eayragt]

I'll be around later if my vote is needed, but I don't want to vote now as bak42 will then only be a couple of votes away from being lynched.

I think if you're interested in lynching bak your vote is needed now. We're a couple of hours away from deadline and a long way off the lynch - at the moment people might come on and not vote as they don't think there's any point as we're not even half way there. You can change that.

Would it help you if I said that I've got a real good feeling about this?

[petrija]

So there's no real foundation for this lynch, except his response to minimal pressure?

If that's all we're really going on, I don't think this is very solid..

[Destiny]

I think if you're interested in lynching bak your vote is needed now. We're a couple of hours away from deadline and a long way off the lynch - at the moment people might come on and not vote as they don't think there's any point as we're not even half way there. You can change that.

Would it help you if I said that I've got a real good feeling about this?

With my vote we'll only be three away from the lynch. However, if you have a really good feeling about this, then I will Change Vote: bak42.

[Zeel1]

I think if you're interested in lynching bak your vote is needed now. We're a couple of hours away from deadline and a long way off the lynch - at the moment people might come on and not vote as they don't think there's any point as we're not even half way there. You can change that.

Would it help you if I said that I've got a real good feeling about this?

Need four votes in four hours..possible, but it'd be a tight race.

I don't know if I'm particularly prepared to lynch him, myself. It's true he hasn't added much so far, but there are others this can be attributed to.

I just don't see anything else we have the time for..

So there's no real foundation for this lynch, except his response to minimal pressure?

If that's all we're really going on, I don't think this is very solid..

Well I started it based on the fact that MNN died shortly after trying to press him, and nothing came out of that attempt..didn't like it much. I was basically going from where MNN left off, and hey, he was right about Grunt, so.. :p

[Wallbanger]

My qualm right now is that what he's hinted at, if he were not being truthful, would be counterclaimed. Now, I suppose it's possible that said counterclaimer is looking at the wagon and hoping not to have to say anything, and if they're paying attention, will do so if things stall. If this is the case, it seems risky, but I can understand it.

[petrija]

Well I started it based on the fact that MNN died shortly after trying to press him, and nothing came out of that attempt..didn't like it much. I was basically going from where MNN left off, and hey, he was right about Grunt, so.. :p

Interesting.

We'll see how this looks in a little bit.

Any one else have anything else to contribute?

[Zeel1]

Destiny, while you're online, mind answering this?

By the way, Destiny. I think I might just know what body part you are. I could easily be wrong, but I've got an idea as to what it is you are or atleast claiming to be. I don't see much trouble in you claiming, but if you still want to be vague - and you seem to be, which is cool - then just answer me this: Are you located in the colon?

[Zeel1]

My qualm right now is that what he's hinted at, if he were not being truthful, would be counterclaimed. Now, I suppose it's possible that said counterclaimer is looking at the wagon and hoping not to have to say anything, and if they're paying attention, will do so if things stall. If this is the case, it seems risky, but I can understand it.

It's also possible the counterclaimer missed Bak's hint, or is looking for more confirmation that he's hinted at the same role. (I mean, I have a good idea what his hint was, but you can't be too sure, and wouldn't want to counterclaim if that wasn't where he was going.)

[Wallbanger]

Would it help you if I said that I've got a real good feeling about this?

Gemini kind of feelings or Boston kind of feelings?

[Wallbanger]

Max Peck, have you learned anything else of interest?

As long as we're reminding folks of questions they haven't acknowledged...

[Max Peck]

As long as we're reminding folks of questions they haven't acknowledged...

Yeah, dead people last night were all town....bad joo joo if you ask me.

[Derek B]

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (1): MJD

bak42 (7): Zeel1, Arrows, Jman2k3, eayragt, Max Peck, MichiganHero, Destiny

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I think that's right... if not then let me know. :p

[MichiganHero]

Yeah, dead people last night were all town....bad joo joo if you ask me.

We all knew this...anything else, or is scum telling you to tell us things we know already?

[Wallbanger]

derek, I have been instructed, nay commanded, to give you greetings from my daughter. I'm not entirely sure why, some combination of your avatar and your Scottish-ness, I think.

[Max Peck]

I plead ignorance. never played before, no clue what I can and cannot say. That being said, if you vets would be so kind as to ask me questions that I could give answers to I would be more than happy to answer.

[eayragt]

Gemini kind of feelings or Boston kind of feelings?

Not gemini-ness. Don't know what you mean by Boston-ness. At the risk of looking stupid I'd guess that it's a baseball reference for the always hopefully Sox fans, but I could be completely... off base.

My good feelings on this are based purely on in thread activity and posts - and not just from bak.

[Derek B]

derek, I have been instructed, nay commanded, to give you greetings from my daughter. I'm not entirely sure why, some combination of your avatar and your Scottish-ness, I think.

Um... send my greetings back. And if she's old enough, get her playing these here mafia games. :)

[masterded]

I am fairly confidant I know what Bak’s ability is. The only problem is it is one both town and scum have had in the past.

[Zeel1]

Well, Max, due to what you said on D2, and the fact that this is your first game, I haven't really wanted to bring this up, but..

Change Vote: Bak42

Vote: Sean McFly

..twice this phase, you've done that, voting onto a bandwagon without giving any reasons. This is seen by many as very suspicious. Now, their are good-meaning reasons one would want to vote onto pressuring without giving their input, and with the reasons I stated above, I didn't really want to call you out on it.

Just, you know, as an FYI - it's not really a good habit to let form. It's one of the many, many reasons Jman always seems so scummy. :p

[SGRaaize]

The reason why we're lynching Bak is a little bad, but he was suspicious with his answer.
Vote: Bak42

[Wallbanger]

I plead ignorance. never played before, no clue what I can and cannot say. That being said, if you vets would be so kind as to ask me questions that I could give answers to I would be more than happy to answer.

Well, you indicated yesterday that you were privvy to information that at the time supported the then-current wagon. Further, you denied that you gained this information from an investigation. Which in and of itself is fine; there are other information-gathering abilities that might account for what you 'knew'. Alternatively, you might be getting this information from...other sources, rather than on your own. There's another possibility -- you were lying to keep the wagon's momentum going, but for the moment I will presume your honesty.

I was giving you the opportunity to confirm your access to info - we'd expect that an info-based role would be able to use their ability each night. So I was hoping that you might be able to steer us clear of a potential mislynch with a potential new lead. However, you've joined the wagon on bak, so I'm left wondering if that's because your source of info implicates bak, or that you don't have any new info.

To put it more plainly, did you receive any new information not in the public domain during Night 2?

[MichiganHero]

UNOFFICIAL VOTE COUNT

It is now Day Phase 3. With 18 players remaining, it is 10 votes to lynch.

You have until 00:30am BST on Monday, May 17th / 8:30pm EDT on Sunday, May 16th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

ShadowedFlames (1): MJD

bak42 (8): Zeel1, Arrows, Jman2k3, eayragt, Max Peck, MichiganHero, Destiny, SGRaaize

With only 2 to go, will bak42 speak up???

[Max Peck]

Yeah, I don't mean to seem like scum. Unfortunately its seems that lurking equates scum in these games, so its kinda an occupational hazard?

[Wallbanger]

Not gemini-ness. Don't know what you mean by Boston-ness. At the risk of looking stupid I'd guess that it's a baseball reference for the always hopefully Sox fans, but I could be completely... off base.

My good feelings on this are based purely on in thread activity and posts - and not just from bak.

/nod

[SGRaaize]

Max Peck obviously didn't have any information at all and was looking for a reason to vote Destiny.
If that is because he suspected Destiny a lot or if he's scummy, I dunno lol

[Max Peck]

Well, you indicated yesterday that you were privvy to information that at the time supported the then-current wagon. Further, you denied that you gained this information from an investigation. Which in and of itself is fine; there are other information-gathering abilities that might account for what you 'knew'. Alternatively, you might be getting this information from...other sources, rather than on your own. There's another possibility -- you were lying to keep the wagon's momentum going, but for the moment I will presume your honesty.

I was giving you the opportunity to confirm your access to info - we'd expect that an info-based role would be able to use their ability each night. So I was hoping that you might be able to steer us clear of a potential mislynch with a potential new lead. However, you've joined the wagon on bak, so I'm left wondering if that's because your source of info implicates bak, or that you don't have any new info.

To put it more plainly, did you receive any new information not in the public domain during Night 2?

No I did not learn anything in Night 2. I did make a error in judgment if that helps any, although I don't know how it would.

[MichiganHero]

Max Peck obviously didn't have any information at all and was looking for a reason to vote Destiny.
If that is because he suspected Destiny a lot or if he's scummy, I dunno lol

This sounds quite reasonable. Max could be getting fed information and being told what to by more elder mafia playing scum.

[eayragt]

With my vote we'll only be three away from the lynch. However, if you have a really good feeling about this, then I will Change Vote: bak42.

I shall not mock leader Destiny anymore (and not just because it'd actually hurt the town now we're past our early-phase, nothing to go on banter). People certainly followed you after this vote!

[Kobe1724]

I'm not going to lynch bak. We don't have any reason to do so, and I while I'm all for a lynch I think we need to be able to point to something. :)

[Max Peck]

Max Peck obviously didn't have any information at all and was looking for a reason to vote Destiny.
If that is because he suspected Destiny a lot or if he's scummy, I dunno lol

If this is too much to say I apologize. heres the deal. Night one I targeted an individual with my ability. It didn't work, so my assumption (and I could be wrong, again, ignorance of how this works) was that the target had protection. I choose to believe this makes them scum, again I could be wrong though.

[Zeel1]

If this is too much to say I apologize. heres the deal. Night one I targeted an individual with my ability. It didn't work, so my assumption (and I could be wrong, again, ignorance of how this works) was that the target had protection. I choose to believe this makes them scum, again I could be wrong though.

Interesting..were you told you couldn't reach them, or something to that effect?

[SGRaaize]

I'm not going to lynch bak. We don't have any reason to do so, and I while I'm all for a lynch I think we need to be able to point to something. :)

You're being too friendly, I don't like vote lynching and I have a stance of using it sparely, but if we don't lynch anyone or look for good clues, we won't advance, reading write ups and doing analyses like you do may help, but aren't enough.

[Max Peck]

Interesting..were you told you couldn't reach them, or something to that effect?

I was told nothing. The writeup made it painfully clear that it did not work.

[SGRaaize]

If this is too much to say I apologize. heres the deal. Night one I targeted an individual with my ability. It didn't work, so my assumption (and I could be wrong, again, ignorance of how this works) was that the target had protection. I choose to believe this makes them scum, again I could be wrong though.

Could be you being roleblocked
There are guys who target someone, and that someone's ability is unusable

[Max Peck]

Could be you being roleblocked
There are guys who target someone, and that someone's ability is unusable

Clearly wasn't roleblocked Night 2 though. Would roleblocking be a scum or town ability? or both?......Trying to digest all this info.

[eayragt]

I'm not going to lynch bak. We don't have any reason to do so, and I while I'm all for a lynch I think we need to be able to point to something. :)

At the risk of sounding like a scum trying to push through a mis-lynch (given the votes I'd probably wait an hour if I was before pushing the issue), how many townies have to die before we lynch on something not concrete?

Fine, we might track a killer of watch (sounds unlikely now) him killing. We might investigate scum. But we might not. Our trump cards are night actions, but they might not reveal anything. Lynching someone will reveal a lot of information. Hell, if bak is town then there's a couple of people (with me right at the top of the list) who become serious suspects - that gives the town somewhere to go tomorrow, or even somewhere to direct their night abilities. That's better than sitting on our hands doing nothing.

And, of course, if bak is scum, we get a lot more information. In fact, if he is we've got another 86% scum to lynch tomorrow.

[SGRaaize]

Wait, so you went for the same target night 2 and it didn't work again?
And that target was Destiny?
Sounds weird, but maybe its a nice protector from the townies who knows he'l probably get killed (He's saying he has a power-role, depending on who targets him [I still find that BS, btw])

[Arrows]

Clearly wasn't roleblocked Night 2 though. Would roleblocking be a scum or town ability? or both?......Trying to digest all this info.

Clearly.

Cause you can tell what you're doing in the write ups.

How?

Only thing I see that didn't happen night one, that did night two, I ain't comfortable with.

Change Vote: Max Peck

[Wallbanger]

If this is too much to say I apologize. heres the deal. Night one I targeted an individual with my ability. It didn't work, so my assumption (and I could be wrong, again, ignorance of how this works) was that the target had protection. I choose to believe this makes them scum, again I could be wrong though.

Being a rookie, let me see if we can clarify a bit; you might not realize that this doesn't sound good.

'Protection' in mafia context is specific to being protected from kills/attacks. 'Roleblocks' are things that interfere with players trying to use their abilities.

You said your ability 'didn't work' -- to me that is more indicative of a roleblock on you than protection on your target. By saying your target was 'protected' you are (unwittingly?) implicating that you attacked your target.

Knowing that, would you like to revise your remarks? :)

[Max Peck]

Wait, so you went for the same target night 2 and it didn't work again?
And that target was Destiny?
Sounds weird, but maybe its a nice protector from the townies who knows he'l probably get killed (He's saying he has a power-role, depending on who targets him [I still find that BS, btw])

No, different target Night 2, with disastrous results.

[eayragt]

Clearly wasn't roleblocked Night 2 though. Would roleblocking be a scum or town ability? or both?......Trying to digest all this info.

Traditionally role blocking is a scum role. Although a townie roleblocker is relatively common at the moment.

Sorry, that wasn't helpful, was it?

[eayragt]

Clearly.

Cause you can tell what you're doing in the write ups.

How?

Only thing I see that didn't happen night one, that did night two, I ain't comfortable with.

Change Vote: Max Peck

He's too open about it. It explains the third kill with the numbers - I'd be inclined to believe he's town. I think we need to encourage him to not use his skill if it's optional.

If not, then yeah, risky keeping him about.

[MichiganHero]

No, different target Night 2, with disastrous results.

Define "disastrous results".

[eayragt]

No, different target Night 2, with disastrous results.

As I think we all have an idea about what you do, can you clear up something that should help us - which one were you responsible for?

[MichiganHero]

Define "disastrous results".

Nevermind. I just realised that he was talking about one of the three night kills.

I haven't had much sleep.

[Max Peck]

Define "disastrous results".

Can I say exactly what happened? or would that be against the rules/custom?

[SGRaaize]

Change Vote: No Vote
Afraid of one/two guys voting bak42 before we can get Max Peck issue dealt with

Max Peck, you're being suspicious, that's normal, as this seems to be your first game, but please answer our questions (this of course assuming you aren't scum, cause if you are, you're prettyyyyyyyy screwed, brah)

[eayragt]

Can I say exactly what happened? or would that be against the rules/custom?

You can say what happened. All I need is a name - others may want more. A name's a good place to start.

[MichiganHero]

Can I say exactly what happened? or would that be against the rules/custom?

All I want to now (not sure about the others) is, whose death were you responsible for.

I guess that's what "disastrous results" is.

[Wallbanger]

Can I say exactly what happened? or would that be against the rules/custom?

Here's the relevant part of the rules:

Players are only allowed to post their role title from their role PM, that is the bit that says you are “Town Aligned Protector” or something similar. You can paraphrase things that your PM says but you are not allowed to directly quote anything else other than the role title from your PM, which is also the only thing players will see when you are dead. Related to this, players are not allowed to ask each other about the specific wording of any part of their roles. In other words, it is okay to ask another player if they are sure that their role means "X", it is not okay to ask another player if their role reads as "X". If the mods catch you posting anything that closely resembles what your role PM says then it will be grounds for a mod kill. You have been warned!

In short, paraphrase, don't quote verbatim.

[Max Peck]

You can say what happened. All I need is a name - others may want more. A name's a good place to start.

BHK

[MichiganHero]

BHK

Okay. What made you target BHK?

[Arrows]

BHK

Why?

[eayragt]

BHK

Thank you.

I will ask one more - is it optional?

[SGRaaize]

Max Peck, what is your role?
Are you sure you were the responsible guy for killing BHK? Maybe it was a coincidence that a scummy targeted BHK and you too

As of now, you're giving me "Insane Doctor" vibe (In case you don't know: A doctor that can protect or kill, 50% for both sides)

[Max Peck]

Okay. What made you target BHK?

Honestly, in hindsight probably utter stupidity. Everyone commenting on the dont taze me bro and banter about it. He had votes against him, honestly not enough tho.

[Max Peck]

Thank you.

I will ask one more - is it optional?

Yes it is optional.

[eayragt]

Yes it is optional.

Good.

[MichiganHero]

Honestly, in hindsight probably utter stupidity. Everyone commenting on the dont taze me bro and banter about it. He had votes against him, honestly not enough tho.

You targeted him because of random banter and the fact he had some votes?

Something isn't adding up.

Change Vote : Max Peck

[Max Peck]

Max Peck, what is your role?
Are you sure you were the responsible guy for killing BHK? Maybe it was a coincidence that a scummy targeted BHK and you too

As of now, you're giving me "Insane Doctor" vibe (In case you don't know: A doctor that can protect or kill, 50% for both sides)

My role is not Insane Doctor. From what I digest from the role PM I am an integral part of Jack's anatomy.....

[SGRaaize]

Oh, nvm, saw through all posts again
Max Peck, that was bad of you

Back to the previous argument
Why do you think Destiny is suspicious because he got protection?

[Wallbanger]

OK Max, I think we're going to need your name and role title next. Before too many assumptions get made about who/what you are, and rash decisions get made from said assumptions.

[masterded]

OK Max, I think we're going to need your name and role title next. Before too many assumptions get made about who/what you are, and rash decisions get made from said assumptions.

/nod