The Official Medical Mafia Game Thread

[Jman2k3]

So you are going to play coy with me? That's not very nice of you!!!




Yeah cuz I'm so awesome and stuffs.

No. I've given a big significant hint at who I am and to what you can narrow it down to.

[Arrows]

Almost. He's on a list. So is Jman. So are three others, but one is dead and another I trust to be town since she was silenced.

Do not trust silences as clears.

[moon_lit_tears]

Almost. He's on a list. So is Jman. So are three others, but one is dead and another I trust to be town since she was silenced.

Me?

[ShadowedFlames]

Do not trust silences as clears.

I know that. I also know my gut. I think MLT's clean.

One of those people killed a lung. I want to find out who.

[Zeel1]

Can you explain why you chose not to do anything N1/2 without revealing role?

N2, well..I guess I sort of forgot when the phase ended. Ended up never sending the PM in.

As for N1..my ability could come as something as a hinderance, depending on who I target. Didn't really have a good gauge of scuminess at the time, and figured I didn't want to end up messing with someone important, so I choose not to do anything.

[moon_lit_tears]

I know that. I also know my gut. I think MLT's clean.

One of those people killed a lung. I want to find out who.


Well I did take a shower.....

Change vote: no vote

[Arrows]

And yet you always complain that I NEED to be nice to you... :mad:

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Serious business time.

Right now, I can support the pressure on both Zeel and Jman. I think I'm actually going to side with Arrows on this--surprising, I know--but I'm keeping my eye on Jman...among other players.

Vote: Zeel1

Almost. He's on a list. So is Jman. So are three others, but one is dead and another I trust to be town since she was silenced.

Just, wanted to kinda..nudge this, since it's odd....yanno.

[ShadowedFlames]

Just, wanted to kinda..nudge this, since it's odd....yanno.

How so?

[Arrows]

How so?

She's clean because she's silenced but the first person silenced by the same silencer is where your vote is.

Slightly odd.

|| Just a little.

[Zeel1]

MNN was pretty damn high on my townie list, so I can support pressuring based off this list.

So, me, MLT, Jman, and someone that died..and you said there's one more? Who might that be?

[Zeel1]

She's clean because she's silenced but the first person silenced by the same silencer is where your vote is.

Slightly odd.

|| Just a little.

He just doesn't want to off the eye candy, that's all. :D

[moon_lit_tears]

She's clean because she's silenced but the first person silenced by the same silencer is where your vote is.

Slightly odd.

|| Just a little.

Are you sure it's the same one?

I mean unless I missed Bak..saying it?

I know Zeel and BHK were both silenced Did BAK target BHK?

[Arrows]

He just doesn't want to off the eye candy, that's all. :D

There's no votes on pet....

[ShadowedFlames]

She's clean because she's silenced but the first person silenced by the same silencer is where your vote is.

Slightly odd.

|| Just a little.

Everyone who has played with me for any number of games knows that I tend to listen to my gut in addition to reading the thread.

Zeel I don't really trust because his reaction to the votes is the same as yours half the time. Seems like you're scum more often than not when you do that.

[Zeel1]

Are you sure it's the same one?

I mean unless I missed Bak..saying it?

I know Zeel and BHK were both silenced Did BAK target BHK?

Yeah, Bak said he silenced BHK.

[moon_lit_tears]

MNN was pretty damn high on my townie list, so I can support pressuring based off this list.

So, me, MLT, Jman, and someone that died..and you said there's one more? Who might that be?

Mine too....:D

He just doesn't want to off the eye candy, that's all. :D

Stop the lies!

[masterded]

Did BAK target BHK?

yes

[Zeel1]

Everyone who has played with me for any number of games knows that I tend to listen to my gut in addition to reading the thread.

Zeel I don't really trust because his reaction to the votes is the same as yours half the time. Seems like you're scum more often than not when you do that.

:cool:

[Arrows]

Are you sure it's the same one?

I mean unless I missed Bak..saying it?

I know Zeel and BHK were both silenced Did BAK target BHK?

I'm fairly certain he said he silenced BHK. That means you, Zeel, and probably MJD, were all hit by the same silencer.

[ShadowedFlames]

MNN was pretty damn high on my townie list, so I can support pressuring based off this list.

So, me, MLT, Jman, and someone that died..and you said there's one more? Who might that be?

Eayragt is the dead one.

The last name is Kobe.

[Jman2k3]

I'm on a list. I feel special. It must be that Jman is awesome list. :D :cool:

[Arrows]

Eayragt is the dead one.

The last name is Kobe.

That's... very interesting.

[ShadowedFlames]

Mine too....:D



Stop the lies!

Hmmm. MLT, did a pocket pair just hit the flop?

Yes/no will work.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm on a list. I feel special. It must be that Jman is awesome list. :D :cool:

Can't be cuz I'm on that same list.

Hmmm. MLT, did a pocket pair just hit the flop?

Yes/no will work.

*Does best Jose Jalapeno impression* Si senor!

[ShadowedFlames]

Can't be cuz I'm on that same list.



*Does best Jose Jalapeno impression* Si senor!

:D (on a steeeeeeeeeck...)

MLT's clean, folks. Would bet good Yankee currency (or the currency of your choice) on it.

[Wallbanger]

:D (on a steeeeeeeeeck...)

MLT's clean, folks. Would bet good Yankee currency (or the currency of your choice) on it.

OK, so which one do we let Achmed loose on?

(Jeff Dunham meme FTW!)

[moon_lit_tears]

OK, so which one do we let Achmed loose on?

(Jeff Dunham meme FTW!)

bet he can't do both!

Hahahahahahaha

/Loves Walter! :D

[Arrows]

So, SF, which one should we be pushing here?

[ShadowedFlames]

So, SF, which one should we be pushing here?

People have votes on Jman.

People have votes on Zeel.

No one has looked at Kobe yet, as best as I can tell.

Any one of those three would be my guess. I just don't trust Zeel's reaction right now, but the other two should be looked into as well. Right now, I'm keeping my vote on Zeel because of this.

[moon_lit_tears]

People have votes on Jman.

People have votes on Zeel.

No one has looked at Kobe yet, as best as I can tell.

Any one of those three would be my guess. I just don't trust Zeel's reaction right now, but the other two should be looked into as well. Right now, I'm keeping my vote on Zeel because of this.

I THINK I got JMANS claim. I may not have cuz lets face it my brain is fuzzy.

I semi-trust him, but not really ya know?

[Zeel1]

Any one of those three would be my guess. I just don't trust Zeel's reaction right now, but the other two should be looked into as well. Right now, I'm keeping my vote on Zeel because of this.

Got anything else to ask?

[ShadowedFlames]

Got anything else to ask?

Yes. What is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow?

I'll save the full roleclaim request until/if more pressure is applied.

Have you at least hinted at your role? (I may have missed it in a rush to catch up.)

[Zeel1]

I find it sweet how you're overlooking MLT's spot on the list out of bias, by the way.

Don't blame you either. I'd do it too. She's just too precious to lynch. <3

Have you at least hinted at your role? (I may have missed it in a rush to catch up.)

I don't know, maybe three times so far? Two atleast.

One was on D1, ironically placed in a post that mentioned sorting out hints from fluff. :p

[ShadowedFlames]

I find it sweet how you're overlooking MLT's spot on the list out of bias, by the way.

Don't blame you either. I'd do it too. She's just too precious to lynch. <3



It's not bias. I asked a question, she was on my wavelength, I got my answer. She's clean. I guaran-damn-tee it.

[Zeel1]

It's not bias. I asked a question, she was on my wavelength, I got my answer. She's clean. I guaran-damn-tee it.

Mm.

Do you agree though, that she's just too precious to lynch? <3

[ShadowedFlames]

Mm.

Do you agree though, that she's just too precious to lynch? <3

I'll let you decide that for yourself.

On that note, I do need to get to bed. Jman, Zeel, Kobe. One of those three are the likely culprit to have killed MNN, since our Vig is apparently outed.

I'll leave y'all to discuss this; I'll catch up in the morning before work.

Oh, and I have to do this because...well...just because.

"Both the red and white blood cells have died. Guess that means..." :cool: "...that Jack's feeling a bit blue in the face."

[Wallbanger]

Well, we've at least had some back and forth with Jman and Zeel, so we need to hear from Kobe next.

[Zeel1]

Well, we've at least had some back and forth with Jman and Zeel, so we need to hear from Kobe next.

I'm nowhere near ready to stop, you've barely pressed me at all! :p

Iffy on Jman, (always am..) but he's claimed a very important body part at the very least, so..don't think scum would do that. And SF has somehow cleared MLT through some weird moon speak, (geddit?) so I suppose Kobe's the way to go if we're done with me.

If she's scum though, I must say kudos on all of the effort to make herself look useful. If she turns up green or red or whatever else, I'd be even more surprised with how she's played..

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm nowhere near ready to stop, you've barely pressed me at all! :p

Iffy on Jman, (always am..) but he's claimed a very important body part at the very least, so..don't think scum would do that. And SF has somehow cleared MLT through some weird moon speak, (geddit?) so I suppose Kobe's the way to go if we're done with me.

If she's scum though, I must say kudos on all of the effort to make herself look useful. If she turns up green or red or whatever else, I'd be even more surprised with how she's played..

Because he seen something sweetumms! :)

[Kobe1724]

Alright, I just read through everything. I see that I'm on the list of potential killers so what do you guys want to know so that I can clear myself?

Ask a question, I'll do my best to answer. :D

Also, I have some theories that I'm going to post in light of the most recent deaths. Give me a few minutes while I type everything up.

[Zeel1]

Alright, I just read through everything. I see that I'm on the list of potential killers so what do you guys want to know so that I can clear myself?

Ask a question, I'll do my best to answer. :D

Also, I have some theories that I'm going to post in light of the most recent deaths. Give me a few minutes while I type everything up.


Are you a part of the body?

Are you the whole part or a portion or what?

Do you go out at night?

What half of the body are you on?

[Jman2k3]

Alright, I just read through everything. I see that I'm on the list of potential killers so what do you guys want to know so that I can clear myself?

Ask a question, I'll do my best to answer. :D

Also, I have some theories that I'm going to post in light of the most recent deaths. Give me a few minutes while I type everything up.

Who have you killed and why did you kill them is the obvious questions.

[Kobe1724]

Okay, let's look at how the events since the previous night have changed my last findings:

* A pretty strong lynch mob was started up against Destiny on Day 1. All three of the people that spearheaded this movement are all dead now, however. That said, of the most vocal opponents of Destiny - BHK, eayragt and SG (whom has since pointed out that his criticism wasn't very harsh) - we know BHK was killed by Max, and neither eayragt nor SG have been very strong on the lynch Destiny bandwagon since then. While I initially thought there was a strong case against Destiny here, I'm beginning to think that the evidence is not as it appears. In fact, killing these three almost seems like too much of a coincidence. It honestly smells like a frame up to me, given the evidence we have so far. It's possible that Destiny is simply playing very brazenly here, but I'm not sure that I believe that quite yet, despite my earlier postings. In that case though, who would frame him and what would they hope to gain from it?

To answer that question, we need to work backward. This might show that Destiny was framed, or perhaps even that he's behind the murders of eayragt and SG somehow.

Okay, so BHK, MNN and Phenom were killed during night 2. We know that BHK was killed by Max since he has claimed and no one has disputed him here. While it's possible that Max is scum and that a townie that is now dead made the kill (eliminating the possibility of a counterclaim), there is no way that Max could have known this for sure and so it was a very risky play. As such, we can say with a reasonable degree of certainty that BHK was killed by Max.

That leaves us with MNN and Phenom. I think it's safe to assume that one of the killers is mafia and the other is a serial killer at this point. I say this because we can account for the vig/3rd killer from night 2 (Max), and so while a PGO is a possibility, the fact that apart from the first night we've had at least two kills every single night makes a PGO is very unlikely.

If there was a PGO, we would no longer be having two deaths a night, as in the event of an SK/mafia combo at least one of them would have been killed attacking the PGO. The only way that is possible, however, is if Gruntman or an SK and attacked the PGO the 1st night. I find this unlikely, however, as in that case we would no longer still be having at least two kills a night. Unless there are 3 scum groups, both of which had their targets protected with Gruntman attacking a PGO and being killed. I don't buy that.

So what do we know:

Night 1 - 1 kill
Night 2 - 3 kills
Night 3 - 2 kills

Night 1 we can safely assume was the scum/don acting. Max Peck says he only killed in night 2, and scum must kill every night.

So we are left with:

Night 1 - 1 kill
Night 2 - 2 kills
Night 3 - 2 kills

My hypothesis:

We are dealing with a serial killer that can only kill every other night/with a delay and a mob/don that must kill every night. Gruntman was also a 3rd scum, or else he was a member of the don/scum group and killed to create confusion. It would explain why there is only one kill the 1st night. This is also explains the disjointed nature of the kills and why some of them don't seem to make any logical sense. I know that veterans have pointed out that we can't point to motive for everything, but I believe that if we have an SK who can only kill with a delay that we might be able to figure out what's going on by looking at each kill and why it would have been made a day earlier.

That brings me to my current thought process. I said earlier that there are also a number of other more sinister rationales for why zeel was silenced the previous night, some of which absolve Destiny (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1015612&postcount=598). I didn't want to post about them at the time because I didn't have all of the necessary information, but now is as good of a time as any.

If Destiny is in fact being framed here then zeel (and admittedly myself) would be the last place anyone would immediately look. We defended him early on, and since then everyone that has criticized him was killed. If you buy into the rationale that zeel is framing Destiny, however, then we still need to figure out why he was silenced. I don't have a good answer for that. Is there a precedent of scum silencing one of their own to deflect blame?

Hunches based on the above information

My personal thinking is that Zeel is scum/the don. I believe that he ordered the death of one of his own the 1st night after (Gruntman) after MNN made the statement that he thought Gruntman guilty. I think that the SK ordered the death on MNN, but that it didn't go through until the night before. I then think that either the Don or perhaps the SK killed Phenom, eayragt and SGRaaize over the next two nights. I think that zeel/the don-scum killed eayragt and SG, and I think that the SK killed Phenom. I think zeel was silenced by one of his own (which fits with their strategy of deflecting blame).

I don't know that there was a reason behind why the SK killed Phenom, but I like the idea espoused earlier in the topic about how whomever killed Phenom killed him because they knew he was a good player. So whoever is the SK is probably a veteran.

I'm not ready to cast a vote against zeel yet, but those are my thoughts.

[Kobe1724]

Are you a part of the body?



Are you the whole part or a portion or what?



Do you go out at night?



What half of the body are you on?



Who have you killed and why did you kill them is the obvious questions.

I don't mind answering these questions, but which ones should I answer to prove that I'm a part of the body while also protecting the town from mafia?

[Zeel1]

If Destiny is in fact being framed here then zeel (and admittedly myself) would be the last place anyone would immediately look. We defended him early on, and since then everyone that has criticized him was killed. If you buy into the rationale that zeel is framing Destiny, however, then we still need to figure out why he was silenced. I don't have a good answer for that. Is there a precedent of scum silencing one of their own to deflect blame?

I actually, I have heard of this. I forget where, but I at one point read that someone that was scum was silenced by one of his scum buddies night after night, to keep them from being lynched/having to answer to pressure, or something like that.


My personal thinking is that Zeel is scum/the don. I believe that he ordered the death of one of his own the 1st night after (Gruntman) after MNN made the statement that he thought Gruntman guilty.

..you think Grunt was killed by other Cancer-aligned players? Really? And you also think they silenced one of their own? What kind of self-hating group do you think they are? :p

So what, you think someone from the Cancer group killed Grunt..why? For what possible reason? So they could claim vig later?

I think that the SK ordered the death on MNN, but that it didn't go through until the night before.

Mind explaining where you came to that conclusion?

I don't mind answering these questions, but which ones should I answer to prove that I'm a part of the body while also protecting the town from mafia?

Think I'd start with portion/whole, if you want to go the babystep route.

[Kobe1724]

I actually, I have heard of this. I forget where, but I at one point read that someone that was scum was silenced by one of his scum buddies night after night, to keep them from being lynched/having to answer to pressure, or something like that.

Okay, so there is a precedent. I was just curious.

..you think Grunt was killed by other Cancer-aligned players? Really? And you also think they silenced one of their own? What kind of self-hating group do you think they are? :p

Yes, the alternative would be that we have three scum groups. If the Vig didn't kill Gruntman, then that means he was killed by either a PGO or else the SK. I'm ruling out the PGO, because:

1. If the killing the 1st night (Gruntman) was done by a PGO and he was part of what is a singular scum group, then that means that he was the don/hitman, that we have a SK who only kills on delay or didn't use his ability and that we shouldn't be getting 2 kills a night anymore.

2. If the killing was done by a PGO and Gruntman is part of a 3rd scum group then that means we have three scum groups in one game, which I find unlikely based on what I've heard about scum groups/game size ratio.

That means that he was either killed by the SK the 1st night and the scums 1st target missed, or else the don/scum group killed one of their own to make it difficult to account for a kill later, thus causing confusion. Everything done so far to me seems like it was done to cause confusion, so I'm not putting it past them. It's my hunch, but we'll see. :)


So what, you think someone from the Cancer group killed Grunt..why? For what possible reason? So they could claim vig later?

The same reason that they silenced you. Under this scenario it keeps the town from being able to come to a clear conclusion on anything.


Think I'd start with portion/whole, if you want to go the babystep route.

Okay, following the hint format other people have used, without me nourishment would be difficult.

[Zeel1]

The same reason that they silenced you. Under this scenario it keeps the town from being able to come to a clear conclusion on anything.

So you're saying that if you were scum, you'd elect to kill one of your members..on the very first night..just to confuse people?

If that's the case, I hope we never end up on the same team.. :p

So basically, you think the two possible conclusions are either an SK kill, or the scum killing one of their own. And from there, you choose the latter as more likely?

And would you mind answering my question as to why you think MNN was a delayed SK kill..?

[Jman2k3]

Okay, following the hint format other people have used, without me nourishment would be difficult.

Nourishment for yourself or someone else?

[Kobe1724]

So you're saying that if you were scum, you'd elect to kill one of your members..on the very first night..just to confuse people?

If that's the case, I hope we never end up on the same team.. :p

Honestly, yeah. With this play people will always be confused about where at least one kill came from. And I think whoever the don is (not me in case that's where you were going with this :p) made just such a play.

So basically, you think the two possible conclusions are either an SK kill, or the scum killing one of their own. And from there, you choose the latter as more likely?


I believe that the SK can only kill with a delay. It's the only thing that explains just 1 kill the 1st night unless the SK killed Gruntman and the Don attacked a protected character. Assuming that one third of the original 22 players were scum and one third of the townies have some sort of protection ability, I find this unlikely. Furthermore, the actions so far (murders/silences) suggest to me that the scum are trying to be extremely misleading or brazen. The people killed add up to a frame attempt of Destiny or else Destiny actually doing these murders because they look like a frame, which I find less likely at this point (although either could be true).


And would you mind answering my question as to why you think MNN was a delayed SK kill..?


Because there was only 1 death on night one. If there were two deaths on night one I wouldn't believe it was a delayed kill, but the presence of just one makes me think that the SK tried to kill MNN on night one and it didn't go through until the following night. The mafia killed Gruntman to frame up MNN imo after he said he thought Gruntman was guilty. This also had the double benefit of creating confusion later on about where the extra kill came from. But if that's the case why would they kill MNN? It doesn't make sense, and it makes me think that the SK ordered it. But if the SK ordered it, why didn't he kill on night one?

My best guess is because his kill act on a delay.

[Kobe1724]

Nourishment for yourself or someone else?

Jack.

[Kobe1724]

Okay, I'm going to go to sleep for the night. Be back a bit later, will answer any questions then. :)

[Zeel1]

I believe that the SK can only kill with a delay. It's the only thing that explains just 1 kill the 1st night unless the SK killed Gruntman and the Don attacked a protected character. Assuming that one third of the original 22 players were scum and one third of the townies have some sort of protection ability, I find this unlikely. Furthermore, the actions so far (murders/silences) suggest to me that the scum are trying to be extremely misleading or brazen. The people killed add up to a frame attempt of Destiny or else Destiny actually doing these murders because they look like a frame, which I find less likely at this point (although either could be true).

Because there was only 1 death on night one. If there were two deaths on night one I wouldn't believe it was a delayed kill, but the presence of just one makes me think that the SK tried to kill MNN on night one and it didn't go through until the following night. The mafia killed Gruntman to frame up MNN imo after he said he thought Gruntman was guilty. This also had the double benefit of creating confusion later on about where the extra kill came from. But if that's the case why would they kill MNN? It doesn't make sense, and it makes me think that the SK ordered it. But if the SK ordered it, why didn't he kill on night one?

My best guess is because his kill act on a delay.

You don't think it might be more likely he attacked someone that couldn't be killed? Or perhaps he simply choose not to, for whatever reason?

Crayon was SK in the Over-9000 game, and he didn't try to kill anyone until N8..

[Derek B]

It is now Day Phase 4. With 16 players remaining, it is 9 votes to lynch.

You have until 02:00am BST on Thursday, May 20th / 9:00pm EDT on Wednesday, May 19th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Zeel1 (4): Arrows, ShadowedFlames, Wallbanger, Jman2k3,

Jman2k3 (3): Destiny, Zeel1, Max Peck,

[moon_lit_tears]

Ok, So I this back and forth between Zeel and Kobe is pretty interesting stuff, no?

My head is going to explode if I keep reading it though. :p

We have just over 12 hours to make something happen. I'm up for lynching either dude you guys want. :p

So with that being said I'm going to take a nap. Why? Because I'm old, and that's what old people do. :D

[Jman2k3]

Jack.

I'm sure I know what u are. With that off to work.

[Derek B]

Ok, So I this back and forth between Zeel and Kobe is pretty interesting stuff, no?

My head is going to explode if I keep reading it though. :p

We have just over 12 hours to make something happen. I'm up for lynching either dude you guys want. :p

So with that being said I'm going to take a nap. Why? Because I'm old, and that's what old people do. :D

Fixed the deadline times... I was far too tired last night when it got to that time and once again botched times and timezones. Sorted to actually make the phase 48 hours long. :)

[moon_lit_tears]

Fixed the deadline times... I was far too tired last night when it got to that time and once again botched times and timezones. Sorted to actually make the phase 48 hours long. :)

You know what I blame it on?

Ask Two he will tell you. :p

Mwa-hahahahahahahaha.

Ok seriously....I should be sleeping but, oh well. :)

So now we gotta extra day woohooo Derek is so nice to us giving us a WHOLE 48 hours. Best mod ever. :D

[Derek B]

You know what I blame it on?

Ask Two he will tell you. :p

Mwa-hahahahahahahaha.

Ok seriously....I should be sleeping but, oh well. :)

So now we gotta extra day woohooo Derek is so nice to us giving us a WHOLE 48 hours. Best mod ever. :D

I blame it on a combo of only having 6 hours sleep (I need at least 14 a night :p), the wench... and other wenches in general. I also blame it on losing the game, which I recently realised had happened again. Dang. :eek:

[moon_lit_tears]

I blame it on a combo of only having 6 hours sleep (I need at least 14 a night :p), the wench... and other wenches in general. I also blame it on losing the game, which I recently realised had happened again. Dang. :eek:

Wenches???? Ohhhhh Wenches rock! They keep men in line. It's ok losing the game isn't that bad, unless you were DC aligned. Ohhhhhhh my bad sorry about that. ;)

[Max Peck]

Kobe makes a decent case...

Change vote: Zeel1

[petrija]

Sorry, guys, I've been really busy and haven't been able to get my head into the game as much as I'd like to..

[bak42]

I don't know. Maybe Bak's innocent and I'm looking into this completely wrong, but a silence vanishing and another kill showing up just... doesn't feel right.Yes, yes you are looking into this completely wrong.

Really?

I thought we voted to shut players up.

Sorry I'm being mean I can't help it. :(Well, we could vote to shut people up, I'd be willing to let the town choose who I target.

Are you sure it's the same one?

I mean unless I missed Bak..saying it?

I know Zeel and BHK were both silenced Did BAK target BHK?

Yes, I targeted BHK and that the only person I've targeted all game.

[Imarevenant]

Ok, so here is what I think about everything lol.

I have a 3 use ability to make people go wherever I want them to go; I've used it twice now. I've checked my PM many many times. There is an "If" in this statement. As in "If" the player plans on doing something, they'll be redirected. So "If" they don't intend on doing something they wouldn't be redirected now would they?

Interesting that Zeel1 claims to not have done anything Night 1. What I find interesting is that both the person I redirected (Zeel1) and the person I redirected him to (BHK) were silenced. So either my redirected person and the person I redirected them to were, both coincidently silenced by independent parties or I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK which caused them both to be silenced.

Maybe the silencing is more Mr Freeze wide blast where both the targets and targeting players are all silenced (which causes me to question Bak as well). With that logic there is an argument that I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK despite Zeel claiming not to have used an ability on Night 1. Which with the way he's responded to votes and this; I'm more than willing to lynch Zeel right now. I don't believe in coincidences.

Next order of business....

Max Peck was able to be redirected into killing SGRaaize despite claiming to have sent in a PM saying he wouldn't be killing anyone. I mean if he really intended to sit around and do nothing, my redirection shouldn't have caused him to kill anyone at all.

Sorry, SG, wasn't able to read you to well and you seemed questionable to me. Probably should have sent Max Zeel's way though.

[Max Peck]

Max Peck was able to be redirected into killing SGRaaize despite claiming to have sent in a PM saying he wouldn't be killing anyone. I mean if he really intended to sit around and do nothing, my redirection shouldn't have caused him to kill anyone at all.

Sorry, SG, wasn't able to read you to well and you seemed questionable to me. Probably should have sent Max Zeel's way though.

I'm a bit lost there....if I didn't use my ability how could you redirect it at all?

[Destiny]

I believe that he didn't trust you were to not kill anybody last night. I didn't trust you either.

[Imarevenant]

I'm a bit lost there....if I didn't use my ability how could you redirect it at all?

Exactly my point. I shouldn't have been able to if you really decided to not use it. I redirect those who intend to use their ability not those that aren't doing anything. I specifically chose you to redirect last night to see if you really intended to stay home. The corpse of SGRaaize says that wasn't your intention though.

[Max Peck]

Fair enough Destiny, I still think you are scum so, yeah.

[Max Peck]

Exactly my point. I shouldn't have been able to if you really decided to not use it. I redirect those who intend to use their ability not those that aren't doing anything. I specifically chose you to redirect last night to see if you really intended to stay home. The corpse of SGRaaize says that wasn't your intention though.

Or your redirect didn't work and Destiny and his scum buddies killed SGRaaize.

[Imarevenant]

Or your redirect didn't work and Destiny and his scum buddies killed SGRaaize.

I don't believe in coincidences.

I chose SG because 1) I was suspiscious of him and 2) didn't figure him to be a big scum target if town.

So who did you guys plan on killing last night before I diverted you?

[Max Peck]

Nobody, because I didn't target anyone last night.

[Destiny]

If Imarevenant is telling the truth, that means Max Peck was lying when he said he wouldn't use his ability last night, and that is worrying, considering the damage he could have caused.

[Imarevenant]

Nobody, because I didn't target anyone last night.

So either I have a very poorly worded role PM or you are lying.

I think you're lying, however, I think Zeel is scum as well and would rather take care of him first.

[SGRaaize]

Oooooooo I’m a ghost!!

GO TOWN :)

[Max Peck]

Or the coincidence you don't believe in happened. No matter, when I get lynched or killed the truth will be known. Too bad I can't say I told you so afterwards though.

[Kobe1724]

You don't think it might be more likely he attacked someone that couldn't be killed? Or perhaps he simply choose not to, for whatever reason?

Crayon was SK in the Over-9000 game, and he didn't try to kill anyone until N8..

This is interesting. I would have assumed an SK would kill every night. Can anyone with any experience in older games tell me if this is usual or unusual?

That said, it's worth saying that your statement here is right in line with the sort of information that I believe a veteran SK would know (I still think you're the don/scum hitman in this instance as opposed to mafia, however).

I'm going to VOTE: Zeel1, with the reservation that I may still change my vote if new information arises between now and then. There is one other person I still have a strong suspicion about, but I think zeel is the more salient threat at the moment and would rather get rid of him first if need be.

Also, if someone has a protection ability I'd like to request protection tonight. I'm pretty sure that scum is going to come after me since this discussion and my claim last night. If I'm right and zeel is lynched their will only be 1 killing tonight, but if I'm wrong then I'm pretty sure I'm next on the chopping block. :(

VOTE: Zeel1

[MichiganHero]

This is interesting. I would have assumed an SK would kill every night. Can anyone with any experience in older games tell me if this is usual or unusual?

That said, it's worth saying that your statement here is right in line with the sort of information that I believe a veteran SK would know (I still think you're the don/scum hitman in this instance as opposed to mafia, however).

I'm going to VOTE: Zeel1, with the reservation that I may still change my vote if new information arises between now and then. There is one other person I still have a strong suspicion about, but I think zeel is the more salient threat at the moment and would rather get rid of him first if need be.

Also, if someone has a protection ability I'd like to request protection tonight. I'm pretty sure that scum is going to come after me since this discussion and my claim last night. If I'm right and zeel is lynched their will only be 1 killing tonight, but if I'm wrong then I'm pretty sure I'm next on the chopping block. :(

VOTE: Zeel1

Who is the other person? Also, I like you Kobe. You back up your votes with solid evidence.

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 4. With 16 players remaining, it is 9 votes to lynch.

You have until 02:00am BST on Thursday, May 20th / 9:00pm EDT on Wednesday, May 19th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Zeel1 (6): Arrows, ShadowedFlames, Wallbanger, Jman2k3, Max Peck, Kobe1724

Jman2k3 (2): Destiny, Zeel1

[Kobe1724]

Ok, So I this back and forth between Zeel and Kobe is pretty interesting stuff, no?

My head is going to explode if I keep reading it though. :p

We have just over 12 hours to make something happen. I'm up for lynching either dude you guys want. :p

So with that being said I'm going to take a nap. Why? Because I'm old, and that's what old people do. :D

I think you should give me the benefit of the doubt on this one MLT, (self serving of me as it is to say that :D). I'm pretty certain that either zeel or Destiny is scum (possibly both, but as of now I find this unlikely), and lynching zeel should give us some pretty definitive information one way or the other.

Ok, so here is what I think about everything lol.

I have a 3 use ability to make people go wherever I want them to go; I've used it twice now. I've checked my PM many many times. There is an "If" in this statement. As in "If" the player plans on doing something, they'll be redirected. So "If" they don't intend on doing something they wouldn't be redirected now would they?

Interesting that Zeel1 claims to not have done anything Night 1. What I find interesting is that both the person I redirected (Zeel1) and the person I redirected him to (BHK) were silenced. So either my redirected person and the person I redirected them to were, both coincidently silenced by independent parties or I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK which caused them both to be silenced.

Maybe the silencing is more Mr Freeze wide blast where both the targets and targeting players are all silenced (which causes me to question Bak as well). With that logic there is an argument that I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK despite Zeel claiming not to have used an ability on Night 1. Which with the way he's responded to votes and this; I'm more than willing to lynch Zeel right now. I don't believe in coincidences.

Next order of business....

Max Peck was able to be redirected into killing SGRaaize despite claiming to have sent in a PM saying he wouldn't be killing anyone. I mean if he really intended to sit around and do nothing, my redirection shouldn't have caused him to kill anyone at all.

Sorry, SG, wasn't able to read you to well and you seemed questionable to me. Probably should have sent Max Zeel's way though.

If what you're saying about having Max being re-directed into killing SG is true, that means that he is either the SK or the don/scum hitman. Assuming that the SK will kill every night (albeit on a delay), and that the don/mafia will kill every night, the fact that you were able to re-direct Max despite his claims that he would do nothing is damning evidence that he is in fact the SK or mafia/scum.

That said... the alternative is that you're making this up to pass the heat off of zeel1, who is the don/scum. I believe that this is a strong possibility, and don't want to change my vote at the moment. If zeel is in fact scum, I think that their is small but not inconsiderable reason to believe that you and another person that I won't currently name are also scum. Imarevenant, I want to trust you and I actually think you're more likely to be telling the truth than lying here, but let's see where this zeel thing goes first and then deal with max peck after. I think that if we divide our focus that it will be difficult to get a lynch through today, which I feel is necessary at this point to gain insight into what people's true alignments/natures are.

[Kobe1724]

Or your redirect didn't work and Destiny and his scum buddies killed SGRaaize.

This is also a possibility. Like I said, there isn't enough information to make a decision on you yet as far as I'm concerned.

Who is the other person? Also, I like you Kobe. You back up your votes with solid evidence.

Thanks. :) As for the other person, I'll reveal that tomorrow based on the results of todays lynch and the night actions. I believe that this information will shed light on the other suspect I have, but I don't want to place unneeded suspicion on him before I have more information as it could damage my case against him. It's not you though if that's what you're wondering. :p

[MichiganHero]

This is also a possibility. Like I said, there isn't enough information to make a decision on you yet as far as I'm concerned.



Thanks. :) As for the other person, I'll reveal that tomorrow based on the results of todays lynch and the night actions. I believe that this information will shed light on the other suspect I have, but I don't want to place unneeded suspicion on him before I have more information as it could damage my case against him. It's not you though if that's what you're wondering. :p

I makes sense. Focus on one and then worry about the next.

[Max Peck]

Interesting analysis Kobe, despite the foul slander on myself:D

Just have to see how it plays out.

My scum list would consist of these three people at the moment.

Zeel1
Destiny
Imarevenant

The first two are from Kobe's analysis. Imarevenant got added because of the claim of redirecting something that never happened, meaning he is trying to deflect the blame off of someone.

[MichiganHero]

Interesting analysis Kobe, despite the foul slander on myself:D

Just have to see how it plays out.

My scum list would consist of these three people at the moment.

Zeel1
Destiny
Imarevenant

The first two are from Kobe's analysis. Imarevenant got added because of the claim of redirecting something that never happened, meaning he is trying to deflect the blame off of someone.

Funny that. My scum list consists of ;
Max Peck ( I believe Imarevenant plus you didn't know that the stomach - which you claimed- had acid in it.)
Zeel1 ( Based on Kobe's analysis)
Jman2k3 (although according to reliable he appears scummy all the time).

[Max Peck]

Funny that. My scum list consists of ;
Max Peck ( I believe Imarevenant plus you didn't know that the stomach - which you claimed- had acid in it.)
Zeel1 ( Based on Kobe's analysis)
Jman2k3 (although according to reliable he appears scummy all the time).

Where did I say I didn't know that?

[Imarevenant]

Interesting analysis Kobe, despite the foul slander on myself:D

Just have to see how it plays out.

My scum list would consist of these three people at the moment.

Zeel1
Destiny
Imarevenant

The first two are from Kobe's analysis. Imarevenant got added because of the claim of redirecting something that never happened, meaning he is trying to deflect the blame off of someone.

And pray tell whom I'm deflecting blame from.

The only other person in question is Zeel and I already took this stance:

I think you're lying, however, I think Zeel is scum as well and would rather take care of him first.

What an odd way to deflect attention from Zeel no?

[Kobe1724]

I didn't suspect Imarevenant at all before this btw. Now, however, Max Peck's innocence means his likely guilt (and vice versa) so my list of suspects has been broadened to include zeel, one mystery person whom I won't name, and either Imarevenant OR Max Peck. I don't have a strong leaning either way, but will after the zeel situation is resolved.

Side note: The possibility exist that Imarevenant re-directed Max Peck and nothing happened but SG happened to be killed by scum that night. This is unlikely, but is worth considering. :)

[Max Peck]

From my limited experience nothing is out of the realm of possibility.

[MichiganHero]

Acid?

This quote gives off the appearance of not knowing the stomach has acid. Sorry if I am wrong but that's just what the quote seemed like.

[Kobe1724]

And pray tell whom I'm deflecting blame from.

The only other person in question is Zeel and I already took this stance:



What an odd way to deflect attention from Zeel no?

I didn't remember you made this post. :o It's more evidence in favor of you being honest here. If it turns out you're right sorry to have doubted you, just covering all the bases here.

[Max Peck]

Yeah I figured that what it was....however (and yes this will seem scummy and shifty, so be it) it was posted condescendingly in response to other persons not knowing how a stomach could kill.

No offense taken really.

[Kobe1724]

Okay, I'm going to go to the gym for a bit. :)

As for Imarevenant and Max, I think that we should tentatively assume the unlikely scenario that:

Imarevenant sent a re-direct to Max. Nothing happened, however, as Max stayed in. Instead, the scum/an SK killed SG and it looked like Max did it.

This may all be untrue, but I think that we'll be able to get to the bottom of it soon enough. ^_^

[Arrows]

Okay, I'm going to go to the gym for a bit. :)

As for Imarevenant and Max, I think that we should tentatively assume the unlikely scenario that:

Imarevenant sent a re-direct to Max. Nothing happened, however, as Max stayed in. Instead, the scum/an SK killed SG and it looked like Max did it.

This may all be untrue, but I think that we'll be able to get to the bottom of it soon enough. ^_^

See, this is where I'm at at the moment. Rev seemed REALLY sure about it though, yanno?

[Max Peck]

See, this is where I'm at at the moment. Rev seemed REALLY sure about it though, yanno?

Of course he is sure, one has to believe the lie for it to really be effective.

[MichiganHero]

Yeah I figured that what it was....however (and yes this will seem scummy and shifty, so be it) it was posted condescendingly in response to other persons not knowing how a stomach could kill.

No offense taken really.

Ah. All apologies. I still find you a bit scummy though.

[Max Peck]

Ah. All apologies. I still find you a bit scummy though.

Fair enough. I will admit some of my statements would give me pause too.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm pretty certain that either zeel or Destiny is scum (possibly both,


Don RoboDestiny strikes AGAIN!!!!

:p

Ah. All apologies. I still find you a bit scummy though.

Believe me looking a bit scummy will keep you alive!

[Zeel1]

Ok, so here is what I think about everything lol.

I have a 3 use ability to make people go wherever I want them to go; I've used it twice now. I've checked my PM many many times. There is an "If" in this statement. As in "If" the player plans on doing something, they'll be redirected. So "If" they don't intend on doing something they wouldn't be redirected now would they?

Interesting that Zeel1 claims to not have done anything Night 1. What I find interesting is that both the person I redirected (Zeel1) and the person I redirected him to (BHK) were silenced. So either my redirected person and the person I redirected them to were, both coincidently silenced by independent parties or I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK which caused them both to be silenced.

Maybe the silencing is more Mr Freeze wide blast where both the targets and targeting players are all silenced (which causes me to question Bak as well). With that logic there is an argument that I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK despite Zeel claiming not to have used an ability on Night 1. Which with the way he's responded to votes and this; I'm more than willing to lynch Zeel right now. I don't believe in coincidences.

Next order of business....

Max Peck was able to be redirected into killing SGRaaize despite claiming to have sent in a PM saying he wouldn't be killing anyone. I mean if he really intended to sit around and do nothing, my redirection shouldn't have caused him to kill anyone at all.

Sorry, SG, wasn't able to read you to well and you seemed questionable to me. Probably should have sent Max Zeel's way though.

Interesting. So supposedly, you've redirected two people successfully, despite both of them claiming not to have gone out, and one of them most certainly not going out. And it says specifically in your Role PM that they have to go out in order for it to be effective? If it just hinted that way, I'd say it might be a red herring, but I don't think it'd be cool to just lie like that.

Either way, this is curious. My story doesn't change, though. Didn't go out the first two nights. I agree though, that us both being silenced seems like too big of a coincidence.

[Zeel1]

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot. :cool:

[MichiganHero]

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot. :cool:

I googled the buzz words. I think I know what you are in Jack's anatomy.

[Wallbanger]

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot. :cool:

So, read the SF64 walkthrough. Kind of an oblong path to defeat Andross, yes?

[Arrows]

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot. :cool:

........

[Zeel1]

........

What is it?

[Arrows]

What is it?

Really?

[Zeel1]

Really?

Yes..I'm what you have to shoot to kill him. What's wrong?

[ShadowedFlames]

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot. :cool:

Played it. Once had a high score of 1,767 so I'm quite familiar with the game.

I get your claim, I'm not so certain I buy it. It does sort of make sense, given the theme, but as something on the opposite side of the part in question I have to be wary.

[moon_lit_tears]

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot. :cool:

I think I may fall over. :(

[Arrows]

Yes..I'm what you have to shoot to kill him. What's wrong?

Now, maybe I got my definition of final wrong...

But isn't that a little...ODD?

[Zeel1]

Now, maybe I got my definition of final wrong...

But isn't that a little...ODD?

I don't follow.

[ShadowedFlames]

Now, maybe I got my definition of final wrong...

But isn't that a little...ODD?

Psst, Arrows--it's not the eyes he's trying to claim. That's Andross' first form. :cool:

[Zeel1]

Psst, Arrows--it's not the eyes he's trying to claim. That's Andross' first form. :cool:

Not the hands, either. :p

[MichiganHero]

Not the hands, either. :p

I if right , do ZOMBIES like them?

[Zeel1]

I'd imagine they'd find me quite tasty.

[Arrows]

Psst, Arrows--it's not the eyes he's trying to claim. That's Andross' first form. :cool:

The one I'm reading mentions a weak spot no f'n human has.

[ShadowedFlames]

The one I'm reading mentions a weak spot no f'n human has.

Are you sure you're reading the SF 64 version?

[Zeel1]

The one I'm reading mentions a weak spot no f'n human has.

It might not be using the correct term.

It's not exactly noted as being what I am in the game, it just looks a lot like me and is located where I am located. The Star Fox wikia notes it as the body part I am.

[MichiganHero]

The one I'm reading mentions a weak spot no f'n human has.

If sniped in the back of the head, it would hurt like hell.

[Arrows]

It might not be using the correct term.

It's not exactly noted as being what I am in the game, it just looks a lot like me and is located where I am located. The Star Fox wikia notes it as the body part I am.

Mmk.

Guess that leaves us with about one option, eh?

Change Vote: Kobe1724

[Arrows]

If sniped in the back of the head, it would hurt like hell.

Let me snipe you in any random location.

It's gonna hurt like hell.

Just sayin'

[MichiganHero]

Let me snipe you in any random location.

It's gonna hurt like hell.

Just sayin'

Point taken.

[moon_lit_tears]

Let me snipe you in any random location.

It's gonna hurt like hell.

Just sayin'


LOL!.


Did Kobe hint at what she was? I'm going to have to go re-read....

[Wallbanger]

"Without me, nourishment would be difficult"

Something digestive, I would wager.

[MichiganHero]

"Without me, nourishment would be difficult"

Something digestive, I would wager.

Or the mouth. If we had no mouth, practically no food would get in.

[moon_lit_tears]

"Without me, nourishment would be difficult"

Something digestive, I would wager.


Hmmmm Lots of parts there.

I think I would like a more in depth clue to narrow it down to less than 16 areas..

[bak42]

Maybe the silencing is more Mr Freeze wide blast where both the targets and targeting players are all silenced (which causes me to question Bak as well). There's nothing in my Role PM to indicate that I can silence more than one person at a time.

[Arrows]

There's nothing in my Role PM to indicate that I can silence more than one person at a time.

Yea. Rev's pretty much confirmed scum.

I want the killer though.

[Imarevenant]

And it says specifically in your Role PM that they have to go out in order for it to be effective? If it just hinted that way, I'd say it might be a red herring, but I don't think it'd be cool to just lie like that.

Either way, this is curious. My story doesn't change, though. Didn't go out the first two nights. I agree though, that us both being silenced seems like too big of a coincidence.

Says, that I can redirect any action, if any, that my target plans to take at night.

So, if they decide to not to do anything I obviously, as my PM states, won't be redirecting anyone.

[Zeel1]

Says, that I can redirect any action, if any, that my target plans to take at night.

So, if they decide to not to do anything I obviously, as my PM states, won't be redirecting anyone.

I see..

Well, as far as I know, I didn't do anything N1. And if you say you shouldn't be able to force it, I guess the silencing may have very will been a coincidence, even if it's incredibly unlikely.

This would be easier to sort out if BHK were still alive..

[Arrows]

Says, that I can redirect any action, if any, that my target plans to take at night.

So, if they decide to not to do anything I obviously, as my PM states, won't be redirecting anyone.

Who'd you redirect N2?

[Imarevenant]

Who'd you redirect N2?

Already told you could only use it 3 times.


Zeel gave me bad feelings right away so I said WTH and used it, to see if anything would happen to BHK. I did think for a while that Zeel was a silencer but then Bak confessed to silencing BHK. Still wary of Zeel though and with him saying he didn't go out night 1 and I seeing the coincidence between my targets night 1 and what happened, to many shenanigans for my taste TBH.

Didn't plan to use it again but figured Max was worth checking on and so I did last night. And there is SG sitting in the graveyard right where I would send Max if he intended to take action last night.

Just yeah, too many coincidences in everything here for my liking.

[Arrows]

Already told you could only use it 3 times.


Zeel gave me bad feelings right away so I said WTH and used it, to see if anything would happen to BHK. I did think for a while that Zeel was a silencer but then Bak confessed to silencing BHK. Still wary of Zeel though and with him saying he didn't go out night 1 and I seeing the coincidence between my targets night 1 and what happened, to many shenanigans for my taste TBH.

Didn't plan to use it again but figured Max was worth checking on and so I did last night. And there is SG sitting in the graveyard right where I would send Max if he intended to take action last night.

Just yeah, too many coincidences in everything here for my liking.

Why aren't you pushing a lynch on Max? Such evidence is strong. Instead, you're sitting back letting it go onto Zeel, who, quite honestly, you have nothing on.

[Wallbanger]

I think the thing that bugs me with Rev's N3 redirect -- and this in no way is meant as a diss or anything like that -- why would SG be that high on the hitlist? He really hadn't hinted and was playing about as well as most first time players do. Given his now revealed role title (red blood cells), it's certainly possible that there's a rolecop out there that made them privvy to knowledge not in the public domain, we don't really have anything of SG's to determine whether he had an ability worth driving him to the top of the list. Also possible that they were looking for a target unlikely to be paid attention to at night, and given the pattern of the writeups I think we can safely say there would be no indication of SG being double targeted for a kill.

Is it possible there's another manipulation going on here?

[Zeel1]

Already told you could only use it 3 times.


Zeel gave me bad feelings right away so I said WTH and used it, to see if anything would happen to BHK. I did think for a while that Zeel was a silencer but then Bak confessed to silencing BHK. Still wary of Zeel though and with him saying he didn't go out night 1 and I seeing the coincidence between my targets night 1 and what happened, to many shenanigans for my taste TBH.

Didn't plan to use it again but figured Max was worth checking on and so I did last night. And there is SG sitting in the graveyard right where I would send Max if he intended to take action last night.

Just yeah, too many coincidences in everything here for my liking.

What did I do that you find suspicious?

And, as Arrows said..why me over Max? You're more willing to go after me, when you think I've lied, (which I haven't) then you are to go after a confessed killer that you think has lied? More over, you base the accusation of me going out N1 on the fact that both me and BHK were silenced? It's true that it's an unlikely coincidence, but it's also true that that it proves nothing. Whereas with Max, you've much more proof that he ended up targeting someone, despite saying he wouldn't go out.

Why push me?

[Imarevenant]

Why aren't you pushing a lynch on Max? Such evidence is strong. Instead, you're sitting back letting it go onto Zeel, who, quite honestly, you have nothing on.

I think they are both scum. Plain and simple.

And I don't think the two people named in my PM night 1 were both just coincidently silenced by two other independent players. I'm not buying that. Which means Zeel was out and doing something that allowed me to move him to where I wanted him. Which he states he wasn't doing, which to me means LAL.

As for why I'm not pushing Max and satisfied with a Zeel lynch.

I know what Max can do and so does everyone else, he can be dealt with.

I don't know exactly what Zeel does, but I 100% think he's scum. I'm more wary of him than Max too tbh. Would rather see him lynched and then take care of Max afterward.

[Wallbanger]

Why aren't you pushing a lynch on Max? Such evidence is strong. Instead, you're sitting back letting it go onto Zeel, who, quite honestly, you have nothing on.

Not nothing - being on SF's list is something. Perhaps not much, but something.

[Zeel1]

Not nothing - being on SF's list is something. Perhaps not much, but something.

Actually, if Rev's telling the truth, wouldn't that clear me from that list?

BHK didn't die N1..

[The Two]

SuperOwens has been replaced by Crychon, effective immediately.

[Wallbanger]

Actually, if Rev's telling the truth, wouldn't that clear me from that list?

BHK didn't die N1..

Well...depends on how much stock we put in the poisoner/delayed kill theory, now doesn't it?

[Zeel1]

Well...depends on how much stock we put in the poisoner/delayed kill theory, now doesn't it?

Suppose it does. Fair enough - how likely do you think it is that's in this game?

[Crychon]

Howdy folks, haven't really been keeping up, so it'll take me a little while to catch up.

[Zeel1]

Welcome to the game, Strong Bad. :cool:

[Zeel1]

By the way..Peck admitted to killing BHK N2.

So if we're considering the idea that I might be a delayed killer, who ended up sending that in against BHK, that would mean the kill went through on the same night that Peck just so happened to target him?

Rev, remind me - what's your stance on those kind of coincidences? :p

[Wallbanger]

Suppose it does. Fair enough - how likely do you think it is that's in this game?

On that point alone it's a coin flip without further data. It was set up as a three-shot in SW3, so we can't really go by successive day's kill counts. If it's an every day thing, then there shouldn't be any further deviation in kill counts, but we can't base a decision like that on unknown future events. Metaphorically, I can see it working - cancer cell targets a part of the body, it takes one day to metastasize, and you die. Anyone watching the victim doesn't see them being targeted, and anyone tracking the cancer cell sees them target the victim and live the next day. But, in a scenario like that, I would think it would still show up on SF's list, wouldn't it?

[Imarevenant]

Actually, if Rev's telling the truth, wouldn't that clear me from that list?

BHK didn't die N1..

Sure it would clear you from killing, doesn't clear you from lying about being out though does it?


By the way..Peck admitted to killing BHK N2.

So if we're considering the idea that I might be a delayed killer, who ended up sending that in against BHK, that would mean the kill went through on the same night that Peck just so happened to target him?

Rev, remind me - what's your stance on those kind of coincidences? :p

Already said in an earlier post, I'm not exactly sure what it is you do. I'm just sure you are scum and even though Max is a liar and can kill, I'm more wary of you than him. Be flattered.

[Wallbanger]

By the way..Peck admitted to killing BHK N2.

So if we're considering the idea that I might be a delayed killer, who ended up sending that in against BHK, that would mean the kill went through on the same night that Peck just so happened to target him?

Rev, remind me - what's your stance on those kind of coincidences? :p

Hey, no fair coming up with a good point while I'm responding to your last thing! ;)

That's enough for me to reconsider.

CHANGE VOTE: No Vote

[Zeel1]

Sure it would clear you from killing, doesn't clear you from lying about being out though does it?

Already said in an earlier post, I'm not exactly sure what it is you do. I'm just sure you are scum and even though Max is a liar and can kill, I'm more wary of you than him. Be flattered.

You've no proof I lied, just a series of events that would make an unlikely coincidence. I stand by what I've said - N3 was the first time I used anything. In all fairness, I typically share your stance with coincidences in Mafia. But it does happen. Two chiefs of opposite town sides died on the same night in SW3 - I thought it was very unlikely that was a coincidence. Turns out, no connection. Coincidences are unlikely - but not unheard of.

And why should I feel flattered when I convince people 100% that I'm scum, despite being town? WC did that every in game he was in.. :p

[Kobe1724]

I'm reading through everything now, just got back from the gym. :)

[Imarevenant]

You've no proof I lied, just a series of events that would make an unlikely coincidence. I stand by what I've said - N3 was the first time I used anything. In all fairness, I typically share your stance with coincidences in Mafia. But it does happen. Two chiefs of opposite town sides died on the same night in SW3 - I thought it was very unlikely that was a coincidence. Turns out, no connection. Coincidences are unlikely - but not unheard of.

And why should I feel flattered when I convince people 100% that I'm scum, despite being town? WC did that every in game he was in.. :p

Want to know why the town loses the small games with much more frequency, because they sit around waiting for 100% proof. It's fine in a big game where the town is 30 people strong but when we have half that number it's not good enough.

Sorry, the extremely unlikely coincidences you and Max are touting aren't enough for me. I think you're both scum to be honest and will be happy with either of you hanging at the end of the noose. I just am more concerned about you as an unknown first.

And with that, I'll be back later, time to go home.

[The Two]

It is now Day Phase 4. With 16 players remaining, it is 9 votes to lynch.

You have until 02:00am BST on Thursday, May 20th / 9:00pm EDT on Wednesday, May 19th to reach a majority. If a lynch is not achieved, a No Lynch will be declared.

Zeel1 (4): ShadowedFlames, Jman2k3, Max Peck, Kobe1724

Jman2k3 (2): Destiny, Zeel1

Kobe1724 (1): Arrows

[Zeel1]

Want to know why the town loses the small games with much more frequency, because they sit around waiting for 100% proof. It's fine in a big game where the town is 30 people strong but when we have half that number it's not good enough.

Sorry, the extremely unlikely coincidences you and Max are touting aren't enough for me. I think you're both scum to be honest and will be happy with either of you hanging at the end of the noose. I just am more concerned about you as an unknown first.

And with that, I'll be back later, time to go home.

I'm in no way advocating that style of town. All I'm saying is, you're acting like you're so sure of the fact that I've lied. You say you're 100% sure, as though you think you've proven it. But really, all you have to back that up is the fact that me and BHK were silenced. From there, you think I targeted him. Is that a possibility? Sure. Is it a good one? From my perspective, no, it is not.

As far as I'm concerned, it was either a coincidence..or your Role PM lied to you. Considering our mods, I wouldn't rule that out, but I don't want to hide behind them.

As I said - I myself would make it so bus driving would fail if it the people didn't go out that night. If you were a regular bus driver, I'd assume that was the case. But, you're not a regular bus driver, are you? You only had three shots - now one. Is it possible that, to compensate for that limitation, you were effectively made stronger than a regular bus driver? AKA - gained the ability to force someone to target another, even if they didn't go out?

[Kobe1724]

Interesting. So supposedly, you've redirected two people successfully, despite both of them claiming not to have gone out, and one of them most certainly not going out. And it says specifically in your Role PM that they have to go out in order for it to be effective? If it just hinted that way, I'd say it might be a red herring, but I don't think it'd be cool to just lie like that.

Either way, this is curious. My story doesn't change, though. Didn't go out the first two nights. I agree though, that us both being silenced seems like too big of a coincidence.

And you know, I'm actually glad pressure got high enough to warrant this next hint. I wanted to say it yesterday, but it's almost a fullclaim if you know what I'm talking about, so I wanted to wait until more votes got onto me. 6 votes out of 9 now..cool, I think that's enough.

Anyway..

Anyone here played Star Fox 64?

You know Andross' final form in that game?

I'm his weak spot.

You're claiming a lot of things that as of yet haven't been challenged, which makes me less sure in my belief that you're scum. Still, no offense but at this point I think that your lynching would shed light on a lot of things - Imarevenant's claims and push to lynch you look a lot more suspicious if we lynch you and you turn up town. My own motivations also would appear suspect if you turn up town in light of the fact this is the hardest I've ever pushed for a lynch and the fact that there are some other targets that are also viable, but I'll leave that to the rest of the town to sort out in the event I'm wrong here. Furthermore, we can investigate the voting trends of others and if they line up with yours assuming you turn up scum. You've been the focus of or indirectly associated with enough claims and discussion that at this point it would be easy to figure out who might be associated with you if you turn up scum - their have notably been several instances of people strongly suspecting you of being scum, but not casting a vote in that direction. It could be that they were just weary of pushing with you so close to a lynch when they weren't sure, or it could be that they are affiliated with you and were just speaking empty words against you to protect themselves in the event of what appeared to be a likely lynch.

In light of the above, even though I'm only 75/25 you're scum, I want to push for a lynch anyway.

Mmk.

Guess that leaves us with about one option, eh?

Change Vote: Kobe1724


Hmmmm Lots of parts there.

I think I would like a more in depth clue to narrow it down to less than 16 areas..

Here are the questions I was asked earlier, with the accompanying answers:

Are you a part of the body?

Yes

Are you the whole part or a portion or what?

A part.

Do you go out at night?

I have the ability to. I haven't done so yet, but will do so tonight, or at latest tomorrow, depending on what happens with zeel1. If you'd like more information on my ability I'll give it to you after that, but first I want to see what happens and I think discussing my ability will both make me a target and diminish our ability to continue to gain useful information during this phase.

What half of the body are you on?

The top half

Howdy folks, haven't really been keeping up, so it'll take me a little while to catch up.

Welcome. If you have something you want to add then go for it. ^_^

[moon_lit_tears]

Kobe you are claiming part of the digestive system?

[Kobe1724]

Want to know why the town loses the small games with much more frequency, because they sit around waiting for 100% proof. It's fine in a big game where the town is 30 people strong but when we have half that number it's not good enough.

Sorry, the extremely unlikely coincidences you and Max are touting aren't enough for me. I think you're both scum to be honest and will be happy with either of you hanging at the end of the noose. I just am more concerned about you as an unknown first.

And with that, I'll be back later, time to go home.

In that case, I think we need to lynch here. I know I'm being pushy but we've lost 5 of the 20 starting town people (or 7 of 22 if we consider The Two and Derek town) already and killed just one mafia/scum. That means there are at least 4 more, and maybe as many as 7-8 more. As it stands we don't have enough information to really head in any firm direction. Frankly you, zeel, myself and max are our best bets to figure out who is what, and as I'm obviously opposed to lynching myself, I think that between the three remaining people mentioned zeel is the most likely to be scum, and his death will give us the most information - whatever he is.

My 2 cents. :)

[Arrows]

In that case, I think we need to lynch here. I know I'm being pushy but we've lost 5 of the 20 starting town people (or 7 of 22 if we consider The Two and Derek town) already and killed just one mafia/scum. That means there are at least 4 more, and maybe as many as 7-8 more. As it stands we don't have enough information to really head in any firm direction. Frankly you, zeel, myself and max are our best bets to figure out who is what, and as I'm obviously opposed to lynching myself, I think that between the three remaining people mentioned zeel is the most likely to be scum, and his death will give us the most information - whatever he is.

My 2 cents. :)

I say we go with you or Max.

[Zeel1]

their have notably been several instances of people strongly suspecting you of being scum, but not casting a vote in that direction. It could be that they were just weary of pushing with you so close to a lynch when they weren't sure, or it could be that they are affiliated with you and were just speaking empty words against you to protect themselves in the event of what appeared to be a likely lynch.

You realize that, for a good while, you were one of those people..right?

My personal thinking is that Zeel is scum/the don. I believe that he ordered the death of one of his own the 1st night after (Gruntman) after MNN made the statement that he thought Gruntman guilty. I think that the SK ordered the death on MNN, but that it didn't go through until the night before. I then think that either the Don or perhaps the SK killed Phenom, eayragt and SGRaaize over the next two nights. I think that zeel/the don-scum killed eayragt and SG, and I think that the SK killed Phenom. I think zeel was silenced by one of his own (which fits with their strategy of deflecting blame).

I don't know that there was a reason behind why the SK killed Phenom, but I like the idea espoused earlier in the topic about how whomever killed Phenom killed him because they knew he was a good player. So whoever is the SK is probably a veteran.

I'm not ready to cast a vote against zeel yet, but those are my thoughts.

^Time Stamp: Today, 12:17 AM

I'm going to VOTE: Zeel1, with the reservation that I may still change my vote if new information arises between now and then. There is one other person I still have a strong suspicion about, but I think zeel is the more salient threat at the moment and would rather get rid of him first if need be.

Also, if someone has a protection ability I'd like to request protection tonight. I'm pretty sure that scum is going to come after me since this discussion and my claim last night. If I'm right and zeel is lynched their will only be 1 killing tonight, but if I'm wrong then I'm pretty sure I'm next on the chopping block.

VOTE: Zeel1

^Time Stamp: Today 12:27 PM

Twelve hours and ten minutes passed between the time you made your case against me and the time you finally decided to vote. Who's to say the several people that haven't voted but are mentioning suspicion aren't doing the same thing you were doing? Or, moreover, who's to say you weren't trying to do the same thing you're accusing them of doing?

Just food for thought.. ;)

[Kobe1724]

Kobe you are claiming part of the digestive system?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRlcxr9qLGI

I don't want to say anymore for now. I'm going to ask that if you want more you give me until at least tomorrow. I need that long to use my ability and get an answer.

I say we go with you or Max.

I can't really convince you otherwise. I've spent about five minutes thinking on it just now and I've got nothing. :o Go with your gut.

You realize that, for a good while, you were one of those people..right?



^Time Stamp: Today, 12:17 AM



^Time Stamp: Today 12:27 PM

Twelve hours and ten minutes passed between the time you made your case against me and the time you finally decided to vote. Who's to say the several people that haven't voted but are mentioning suspicion aren't doing the same thing you were doing? Or, moreover, who's to say you weren't trying to do the same thing you're accusing them of doing?

Just food for thought.. ;)

Possible, but I don't think their inaction reads guilt quite yet. But if those people are claiming he's scum and never vote one way or another I think it might have a different meaning. That's all I'm saying.

[Kobe1724]

Sentences should read:


Possible, but I don't think their inaction reads guilt quite yet. But if those people are claiming you're scum and never vote one way or another I think it might have a different meaning. That's all I'm saying.


I forgot you were the one writing that when I responded.

[Arrows]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRlcxr9qLGI

I don't want to say anymore for now. I'm going to ask that if you want more you give me until at least tomorrow. I need that long to use my ability and get an answer.



I can't really convince you otherwise. I've spent about five minutes thinking on it just now and I've got nothing. :o Go with your gut.



Possible, but I don't think their inaction reads guilt quite yet. But if those people are claiming he's scum and never vote one way or another I think it might have a different meaning. That's all I'm saying.

You have been accused of killing a townie. Gonna need more than "I don't wanna."

[moon_lit_tears]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRlcxr9qLGI

I don't want to say anymore for now. I'm going to ask that if you want more you give me until at least tomorrow. I need that long to use my ability and get an answer.



I can't really convince you otherwise. I've spent about five minutes thinking on it just now and I've got nothing. :o Go with your gut.



Possible, but I don't think their inaction reads guilt quite yet. But if those people are claiming he's scum and never vote one way or another I think it might have a different meaning. That's all I'm saying.

can't view the vid because I don't have a Youtube account. :D

[Crychon]

Ok, just a note, I'm working on a cover letter for a new job app, so I might not be able to catch up tonight, as I'm debating watching Lost when it airs so I don't have to worry about spoilers tomorrow at work.

[Zeel1]

can't view the vid because I don't have a Youtube account. :D

Good, you don't want too.. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

Good, you don't want too.. :p



Going to make an account now. :p

[Zeel1]

Going to make an account now. :p

Sweetie, you remember the last time I told you not to look at something?

Turned out to actually be something you didn't want to look at, didn't it?

Keep that in mind.. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

Ok, apparently I DID have an account and OMG KOBE that was NASTY!

Eww...

[Kobe1724]

You have been accused of killing a townie. Gonna need more than "I don't wanna."

Who am I being accused of killing, and why? I'm sure I can sort this out.

MLT, I didn't know you needed an account to view vids. It's a fun video though lol. :)

[Zeel1]

Ok, apparently I DID have an account and OMG KOBE that was NASTY!

Eww...

What did I tell you?! Heed my warnings, damn it!! :p

[moon_lit_tears]

Who am I being accused of killing, and why? I'm sure I can sort this out.

MLT, I didn't know you needed an account to view vids. It's a fun video though lol. :)

Never had to before. It's vids like that they make you have one for. I forgot in order to subscribe to one of the lists I was viewing I had to make one.

What did I tell you?! Heed my warnings, damn it!! :p

:( Yeah I'm sorry. :(

[Arrows]

Who am I being accused of killing, and why? I'm sure I can sort this out.

MLT, I didn't know you needed an account to view vids. It's a fun video though lol. :)

Nick, and for someone putting together such astute accusations of everyone else, you figure you'd have noticed those on yourself.

Hm.

[Kobe1724]

NBA Draft coming on ESPN, be back in 10-15 minutes. :)

[moon_lit_tears]

KOBE what kind of answer do you expect to get from your ability?

[Kobe1724]

Washington Wizards won the number 1 pick in the draft. Good that happened after all of the Gilbert Arenas stuff.

Nick, and for someone putting together such astute accusations of everyone else, you figure you'd have noticed those on yourself.

Hm.

I don't know what to tell you. I know I haven't killed anyone, so I haven't been closely following the accusations made of me. :o

While I was concerned that MNN was so brazen in his declaration that Gruntman was scum based on no evidence, I had no reason to kill him. If I were scum, MNN would be a pretty random target, and to be honest everything I do has a purpose. That said, I was curious about his flimsy reasoning for wanting Gruntman dead, and if he hadn't been killed I would have followed up on my questioning against him in the future.

KOBE what kind of answer do you expect to get from your ability?

I expect to know definitively the alignment of both Max Peck and Imrevenant, respectively. Further, if we lynch zeel1 today I expect to know the alignment of Destiny. If we don't lynch zeel today, however, I expect that my ability will still shed light on his alignment, although less so. I also expect to be able to use the information I gain from my ability to learn more about Jman2k3, arrows and yourself.

That's why I asked someone with a protection ability to use it on me tonight, because I'm sure that one or more of those people are scum and that they will try and have me killed or silenced this evening.

[Arrows]

KOBE what kind of answer do you expect to get from your ability?

She's waiting to be fed more lines.

[Wallbanger]

NBA Draft coming on ESPN, be back in 10-15 minutes. :)

Tell me what the Wolves do.

[moon_lit_tears]

I expect to know definitively the alignment of both Max Peck and Imrevenant, respectively. Further, if we lynch zeel1 today I expect to know the alignment of Destiny. If we don't lynch zeel today, however, I expect that my ability will still shed light on his alignment, although less so. I also expect to be able to use the information I gain from my ability to learn more about Jman2k3, arrows and yourself.

That's why I asked someone with a protection ability to use it on me tonight, because I'm sure that one or more of those people are scum and that they will try and have me killed or silenced this evening.

You expect to find all this out in one night?

[Imarevenant]

I'm in no way advocating that style of town. All I'm saying is, you're acting like you're so sure of the fact that I've lied. You say you're 100% sure, as though you think you've proven it. But really, all you have to back that up is the fact that me and BHK were silenced. From there, you think I targeted him. Is that a possibility? Sure. Is it a good one? From my perspective, no, it is not.

As far as I'm concerned, it was either a coincidence..or your Role PM lied to you. Considering our mods, I wouldn't rule that out, but I don't want to hide behind them.

As I said - I myself would make it so bus driving would fail if it the people didn't go out that night. If you were a regular bus driver, I'd assume that was the case. But, you're not a regular bus driver, are you? You only had three shots - now one. Is it possible that, to compensate for that limitation, you were effectively made stronger than a regular bus driver? AKA - gained the ability to force someone to target another, even if they didn't go out?

I'd be surprised if you aren't scum, but if it happens well, sorry. I never said I had undeniable proof I said I was sure. Which is enough for me.

And my PM says I redirect "If" the target intends on taking action. Nothing about me forcing anyone to do anything.

[Arrows]

Washington Wizards won the number 1 pick in the draft. Good that happened after all of the Gilbert Arenas stuff.



I don't know what to tell you. I know I haven't killed anyone, so I haven't been closely following the accusations made of me. :o

While I was concerned that MNN was so brazen in his declaration that Gruntman was scum based on no evidence, I had no reason to kill him. If I were scum, MNN would be a pretty random target, and to be honest everything I do has a purpose. That said, I was curious about his flimsy reasoning for wanting Gruntman dead, and if he hadn't been killed I would have followed up on my questioning against him in the future.



I expect to know definitively the alignment of both Max Peck and Imrevenant, respectively. Further, if we lynch zeel1 today I expect to know the alignment of Destiny. If we don't lynch zeel today, however, I expect that my ability will still shed light on his alignment, although less so. I also expect to be able to use the information I gain from my ability to learn more about Jman2k3, arrows and yourself.

That's why I asked someone with a protection ability to use it on me tonight, because I'm sure that one or more of those people are scum and that they will try and have me killed or silenced this evening.

Bla bla. You expect to be able to do all of this, how? I'm seriously not going to sit here and listen to "I can find out this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this all tonight, if you just give me one day unquestioned despite me failing to acknowledge something horrible obvious even though I'm posting about EVERYTHING else as if I've read every post with a fine toothed comb."

[moon_lit_tears]

Bla bla. You expect to be able to do all of this, how? I'm seriously not going to sit here and listen to "I can find out this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this all tonight, if you just give me one day unquestioned despite me failing to acknowledge something horrible obvious even though I'm posting about EVERYTHING else as if I've read every post with a fine toothed comb."

Easy tiger! :p

[Zeel1]

Let's try this..

Kobe - you know why you are being accused, right? The Forensics Investigator is someone who targets dead players, and gets a list of people - one of which, is the one that killed them. This is effectively a list of suspects.

A result on MNN brought back these suspects: Me, you, Jman, MLT and Eayragt.

Eay's dead and came up town, so that pretty much rules him out. The MLT road has yet to be crossed, but SF seemed to find something in a message from her that makes him feel good about her. No idea what it meant, but I trust SF for now, so the same will go for her. Amusingly enough, Rev's accusations point away from me being a killer, so that pretty much takes me off the list. That leaves you and Jman, both of whom seem to be claiming something fairly important.

So let me ask you this - who do you think is the guilty party on that list?

I'd be surprised if you aren't scum, but if it happens well, sorry.

Any idea what role I'm claiming?

[Imarevenant]

I say we go with you or Max.

I'm more than willing to lynch Max or Zeel (obviously lol). But if, based off of SF's findings we should go Kobe that's fine too.

And I've said my piece on Zeel for the day and I'll drop it for now. But, if he turns up town I'll eat MLT's hat.

[Arrows]

Let's try this..

Kobe - you know why you are being accused, right? The Forensics Investigator is someone who targets dead players, and gets a list of people - one of which, is the one that killed them. This is effectively a list of suspects.

A result on MNN brought back these suspects: Me, you, Jman, MLT and Eayragt.

Eay's dead and came up town, so that pretty much rules him out. The MLT road has yet to be crossed, but SF seemed to find something in a message from her that makes him feel good about her. No idea what it meant, but I trust SF for now, so the same will go for her. Amusingly enough, Rev's accusations point away from me being a killer, so that pretty much takes me off the list. That leaves you and Jman, both of whom seem to be claiming something fairly important.

So let me ask you this - who do you think is the guilty party on that list?



Any idea what role I'm claiming?

I think I got one of the joke roles. Srs.

[Zeel1]

I'm more than willing to lynch Max or Zeel (obviously lol). But if, based off of SF's findings we should go Kobe that's fine too.

And I've said my piece on Zeel for the day and I'll drop it for now. But, if he turns up town I'll eat MLT's hat.

I still want to know what I did that was so suspicious in the first place.

And I'll remind the wife to sweeten her hat for you. :D

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm more than willing to lynch Max or Zeel (obviously lol). But if, based off of SF's findings we should go Kobe that's fine too.

And I've said my piece on Zeel for the day and I'll drop it for now. But, if he turns up town I'll eat MLT's hat.

Ok First I'm a giraffe and now you're gonna eat the new Giants hat Prophet gave me cuz he at my Redskins hat?

/Morns the loss of her hats. :(

[Kobe1724]

Tell me what the Wolves do.

They got the 5th or 6th pick. Nets were 3, Sixers 2, Wizards 1.

You expect to find all this out in one night?

I expect to know Rev and Max's alignment definitively, and from that I'll be able to infer a lot of other things that should help parse out Destiny and zeel's alignment. I think a lynch of zeel is unlikely at this point, which is unfortunate but a setback that hopefully we can work past.

Here's my pitch: If I'm stalling for time, you can lynch me tomorrow with at worst the death of one more townie if you guys (you guys being those amongst you that are actually town) are assuming I'm an SK or scum. If I'm right, that's a lot of useful information. :)

[Imarevenant]

Any idea what role I'm claiming?

Based off of your Starfox hint I have an idea.

Not saying I'm buying it though.

[moon_lit_tears]

I expect to know Rev and Max's alignment definitively, and from that I'll be able to infer a lot of other things that should help parse out Destiny and zeel's alignment. I think a lynch of zeel is unlikely at this point, which is unfortunate but a setback that hopefully we can work past.

Here's my pitch: If I'm stalling for time, you can lynch me tomorrow with at worst the death of one more townie if you guys (you guys being those amongst you that are actually town) are assuming I'm an SK or scum. If I'm right, that's a lot of useful information. :)

So you're going to get the alignment of atleast 2 different players in a single night?

Is that even possible?

Based off of your Starfox hint I have an idea.

Not saying I'm buying it though.

If he is telling the truth, I assume the particular part would be in the game....:confused:

[Zeel1]

Based off of your Starfox hint I have an idea.

Not saying I'm buying it though.

So let me get this straight - you think I'm fakeclaiming that bodypart? Moreso, that I've planned on fakeclaiming that since D1, where my hints started?

Just how bold do you think I am..? :p

[Arrows]

They got the 5th or 6th pick. Nets were 3, Sixers 2, Wizards 1.



I expect to know Rev and Max's alignment definitively, and from that I'll be able to infer a lot of other things that should help parse out Destiny and zeel's alignment. I think a lynch of zeel is unlikely at this point, which is unfortunate but a setback that hopefully we can work past.

Here's my pitch: If I'm stalling for time, you can lynch me tomorrow with at worst the death of one more townie if you guys (you guys being those amongst you that are actually town) are assuming I'm an SK or scum. If I'm right, that's a lot of useful information. :)

What you infer, quite honestly, means next to nothing. Until you push for something, you got nothing, and these posts of yours about theories and all mean || that much, at most, right now.

Because I say you aren't the one doing em. I say you're being fed lines to try and keep you alive. See, for someone so astute to observations, you completely failed to acknowledge the SF situation at all.

Something's wrong there. Surely that would fit into your grand theory, considering Zeel himself is involved.

Instead, you want Zeel dead, with no good reason, despite the fact that he's claimed, and has been willing to answer any question asked.

You, haven't.

Why should we give you a night?

[Kobe1724]

Let's try this..

Kobe - you know why you are being accused, right? The Forensics Investigator is someone who targets dead players, and gets a list of people - one of which, is the one that killed them. This is effectively a list of suspects.

A result on MNN brought back these suspects: Me, you, Jman, MLT and Eayragt.

Eay's dead and came up town, so that pretty much rules him out. The MLT road has yet to be crossed, but SF seemed to find something in a message from her that makes him feel good about her. No idea what it meant, but I trust SF for now, so the same will go for her. Amusingly enough, Rev's accusations point away from me being a killer, so that pretty much takes me off the list. That leaves you and Jman, both of whom seem to be claiming something fairly important.

So let me ask you this - who do you think is the guilty party on that list?



Any idea what role I'm claiming?

Almost. He's on a list. So is Jman. So are three others, but one is dead and another I trust to be town since she was silenced.

^^ This is the post you're referring to (and the subsequent discussion).

I'm not suspicious of Jman at the moment if that's what you're asking. I don't know enough about MLT at present to accuse her, either. I know I'm not guilty, and while I think you're scum and possibly the hitman/don't think you're the SK.

My previous post on the matter:

My personal thinking is that Zeel is scum/the don. I believe that he ordered the death of one of his own the 1st night after (Gruntman) after MNN made the statement that he thought Gruntman guilty. I think that the SK ordered the death on MNN, but that it didn't go through until the night before. I then think that either the Don or perhaps the SK killed Phenom, eayragt and SGRaaize over the next two nights. I think that zeel/the don-scum killed eayragt and SG, and I think that the SK killed Phenom. I think zeel was silenced by one of his own (which fits with their strategy of deflecting blame).

I don't know that there was a reason behind why the SK killed Phenom, but I like the idea espoused earlier in the topic about how whomever killed Phenom killed him because they knew he was a good player. So whoever is the SK is probably a veteran.

Based on SF clearing MLT, I'm going to go with Jman but not because their is any tangible on him. I know the "smart" play here is probably to randomly declare one of you guys in the SK, but I just don't know who it is yet.

Bla bla. You expect to be able to do all of this, how? I'm seriously not going to sit here and listen to "I can find out this and this and this and this and this and this and this and this all tonight, if you just give me one day unquestioned despite me failing to acknowledge something horrible obvious even though I'm posting about EVERYTHING else as if I've read every post with a fine toothed comb."

I will know if Max Peck has been telling the truth about his alignment/actions tomorrow, and by proxy will know if what Rev has been saying is true. The possibility exist that coincidences have come together to make them both town, but I'm currently leaning towards one being scum and the other being town. It could be either. We'll see.

I'm more than willing to lynch Max or Zeel (obviously lol). But if, based off of SF's findings we should go Kobe that's fine too.

And I've said my piece on Zeel for the day and I'll drop it for now. But, if he turns up town I'll eat MLT's hat.

Imarevenant, if you're scum you should lynch me. If not, I can absolve you by tomorrow. :)

[Zeel1]

I know I'm not guilty, and while I think you're scum and possibly the hitman/don't think you're the SK.

You think I might be the hitman, do you? So then, do you distrust what Rev has been saying?

[Arrows]

Uh huh. How're you gonna know Max's alignment/ability?

[Kobe1724]

So you're going to get the alignment of atleast 2 different players in a single night?

Is that even possible?



If he is telling the truth, I assume the particular part would be in the game....:confused:

No, I'm going to get Max's alignment. From that we will know if Imarevenant was telling the truth, and can make a reasonable determination that if Max is scum he was telling the truth. Otherwise, we have a pretty high likelihood that he's scum.

What you infer, quite honestly, means next to nothing. Until you push for something, you got nothing, and these posts of yours about theories and all mean || that much, at most, right now.

Because I say you aren't the one doing em. I say you're being fed lines to try and keep you alive. See, for someone so astute to observations, you completely failed to acknowledge the SF situation at all.

Something's wrong there. Surely that would fit into your grand theory, considering Zeel himself is involved.

Instead, you want Zeel dead, with no good reason, despite the fact that he's claimed, and has been willing to answer any question asked.

You, haven't.

Why should we give you a night?

Who is feeding me lines, exactly?

Quite frankly, it's unlikely anything we do will be based off anything other than inferences. So I don't see your point here.

As for not answering questions, the only question I've refused to answer is what my ability is. And that is for very good reason. Beyond that I haven't been any more or less vague in the body part I've claimed than anyone else.

[Arrows]

No, I'm going to get Max's alignment. From that we will know if Imarevenant was telling the truth, and can make a reasonable determination that if Max is scum he was telling the truth. Otherwise, we have a pretty high likelihood that he's scum.

Who's alignment have you gotten so far?

Max coming up town proves NOTHING about Rev. Max coming up non town proves NOTHING about Rev.

[Kobe1724]

You think I might be the hitman, do you? So then, do you distrust what Rev has been saying?

I don't know. Either Rev or Max could be lying (their is also a small chance both are telling the truth), but regardless I think that lynching you will give us a lot of information. If you come up town, we know that either I or Jman is the SK for sure based on the report. If you come up scum there are several people that have fought hard for you that we can now look at as possible mafia members.

If we assume that you and Rev aren't aligned with one another, we also now know with reasonable certainty that if you both turn up scum that one of you was the SK and we only have one scum group to go.

My desire to lynch you isn't borne out of the fact that you're most likely to be scum, but from the fact that your death gives us the most information regardless of the outcome.

Uh huh. How're you gonna know Max's alignment/ability?

If I told you that I'd be telling you my ability wouldn't I? And we've established that's the only thing I'm not going to tell you.

All I can say is that I'll know his ability tomorrow if no one interferes with my ability.

[Kobe1724]

Who's alignment have you gotten so far?

Max coming up town proves NOTHING about Rev. Max coming up non town proves NOTHING about Rev.

I disagree. I think Max coming up scum absolves Rev and if he comes up town it doesn't.

[Arrows]

I don't know. Either Rev or Max could be lying (their is also a small chance both are telling the truth), but regardless I think that lynching you will give us a lot of information. If you come up town, we know that either I or Jman is the SK for sure based on the report. If you come up scum there are several people that have fought hard for you that we can now look at as possible mafia members.

If we assume that you and Rev aren't aligned with one another, we also now know with reasonable certainty that if you both turn up scum that one of you was the SK and we only have one scum group to go.

My desire to lynch you isn't borne out of the fact that you're most likely to be scum, but from the fact that your death gives us the most information regardless of the outcome.



If I told you that I'd be telling you my ability wouldn't I? And we've established that's the only thing I'm not going to tell you.

All I can say is that I'll know his ability tomorrow if no one interferes with my ability.

Cause if it's you or JMan, it's a SK!

If it's Zeel, it's MAFIA!

Know something we don't?

[Arrows]

I disagree. I think Max coming up scum absolves Rev and if he comes up town it doesn't.

No, it really doesn't.

Rev coming up scum would do wonders for explaining stuff though.

[Kobe1724]

Cause if it's you or JMan, it's a SK!

If it's Zeel, it's MAFIA!

Know something we don't?

I've explained before that I believe zeel to be mafia/scum. My post from earlier:


My personal thinking is that Zeel is scum/the don. I believe that he ordered the death of one of his own the 1st night after (Gruntman) after MNN made the statement that he thought Gruntman guilty. I think that the SK ordered the death on MNN, but that it didn't go through until the night before. I then think that either the Don or perhaps the SK killed Phenom, eayragt and SGRaaize over the next two nights. I think that zeel/the don-scum killed eayragt and SG, and I think that the SK killed Phenom. I think zeel was silenced by one of his own (which fits with their strategy of deflecting blame).

I don't know that there was a reason behind why the SK killed Phenom, but I like the idea espoused earlier in the topic about how whomever killed Phenom killed him because they knew he was a good player. So whoever is the SK is probably a veteran.

I don't know anymore than you do, but I'm willing to think outside the box here.

No, it really doesn't.

Rev coming up scum would do wonders for explaining stuff though.

If Max is scum then that checks out Rev's story about using his ability. It also lends greater credence to his claims (and mine) about zeel.

It also, by the way, lends a lot of support to the theory that those pushing away from a zeel killing despite the evidence provided being affiliated with him in some way.

[Arrows]

I've explained before that I believe zeel to be mafia/scum. My post from earlier:



I don't know anymore than you do, but I'm willing to think outside the box here.



If Max is scum then that checks out Rev's story about using his ability. It also lends greater credence to his claims (and mine) about zeel.

It also, by the way, lends a lot of support to the theory that those pushing away from a zeel killing despite the evidence provided being affiliated with him in some way.

Let's pretend, for a moment, that ANY of this makes sense. K?

Every time you mention Zeel, you mention mafia. So that you can say that others are connected to him. I, no doubt, am one of those others. Despite my vote being on Zeel for a while, I'll no doubt be a Zeel supporter, as soon as he comes up scum.

When it's YOU, you start throwing around SK. So that NO ONE can be connected to you because you're a loner! Just, interesting.

If Rev is telling the truth there's no way in hell Zeel killed Nick because he would've killed BHK(Who did not die) instead. Now, if you want to explain to me how Max being anything at all can PROVE that Zeel did something he couldn't have f'n done for Rev to be telling the truth, be my guest.

[Imarevenant]

So you're going to get the alignment of atleast 2 different players in a single night?

Is that even possible?



If he is telling the truth, I assume the particular part would be in the game....:confused:

So let me get this straight - you think I'm fakeclaiming that bodypart? Moreso, that I've planned on fakeclaiming that since D1, where my hints started?

Just how bold do you think I am..? :p

Obviously by your reactions I'm not seeing the same thing you are hinting at.

[Zeel1]

Obviously by your reactions I'm not seeing the same thing you are hinting at.

I can't say I know what you think I'm hinting at. But if you get the Andross hint right, you know what I am. Simple as that.

[Kobe1724]

Let's pretend, for a moment, that ANY of this makes sense. K?

Okay. :)


Every time you mention Zeel, you mention mafia. So that you can say that others are connected to him. I, no doubt, am one of those others. Despite my vote being on Zeel for a while, I'll no doubt be a Zeel supporter, as soon as he comes up scum.

You may be a Zeel supporter. You pulled your name off of him after the lynch totals got high. Frankly, it's what I would have done if I was a mafia member trying to protect myself in the event one of my brotheren were outed. Because of that, I wouldn't put it past others and am assuming it's a pretty common strategy.

When it's YOU, you start throwing around SK. So that NO ONE can be connected to you because you're a loner! Just, interesting.

Neither I nor Jman have had any supporters when we've been accused of being scum. If either of us were mafia, wouldn't our peers have come to our aid?

If Rev is telling the truth there's no way in hell Zeel killed Nick because he would've killed BHK(Who did not die) instead. Now, if you want to explain to me how Max being anything at all can PROVE that Zeel did something he couldn't have f'n done for Rev to be telling the truth, be my guest.


If Max is scum, then we know Rev was telling the truth about Max. As such, we also know that it's more likely he was telling the truth about zeel being dishonest about what he did during the night. From that dishonesty, we can infer that it's likely he's scum (lynch all liars is on the 1st page of acronyms for mafia games on this forum).

That said, by not lynching zeel it makes it hard to learn anything new about Destiny, which I also wanted to do.

From post 1181:

I expect to know Rev and Max's alignment definitively, and from that I'll be able to infer a lot of other things that should help parse out Destiny and zeel's alignment. I think a lynch of zeel is unlikely at this point, which is unfortunate but a setback that hopefully we can work past.

[Zeel1]

Neither I nor Jman have had any supporters when we've been accused of being scum. If either of us were mafia, wouldn't our peers have come to our aid?

No, actually.

They rarely do.

[Arrows]

No, actually.

They rarely do.

Exactly.

And again, if Rev's town, he'd have NO f'n clue wether or not Zeel would up at BHK. There is NO way at all that Rev could know. Period. So again, your ENTIRE argument, is off.

[Kobe1724]

No, actually.

They rarely do.

Interesting. That would have been my guess. It's the rationale I used to come up with the reasoning I did.

Anyway, you guys have been pressuring me a lot but for all of that I've been totally forthcoming on everything but my ability. And honestly, the only thing those pressuring seem to have against me is that I won't tell them what that ability is. An ability I've said that I'll reveal tomorrow. An ability that can help the town.

So I've promised to be forthcoming on the only issue anyone seems to have with me after using it to find information that is quite useful, yet I'm still being put under enormous pressure by a grand total of three people - one of whom I have good reason to believe to be scum/the don.

Hmmmm.

[Arrows]

Interesting. That would have been my guess. It's the rationale I used to come up with the reasoning I did.

Anyway, you guys have been pressuring me a lot but for all of that I've been totally forthcoming on everything but my ability. And honestly, the only thing those pressuring seem to have against me is that I won't tell them what that ability is. An ability I've said that I'll reveal tomorrow. An ability that can help the town.

So I've promised to be forthcoming on the only issue anyone seems to have with me after using it to find information that is quite useful, yet I'm still being put under enormous pressure by a grand total of three people - one of whom I have good reason to believe to be scum/the don.

Hmmmm.

1. You're on a list of FOUR possible people that killed a townie. We have done some questioning on two, one is clear by something said in a post. That leaves you to question.

2. You still haven't told me who else you've got this information on. Been 3 nights now. Where are those results?

[Max Peck]

Think I may have to go out tonight for sure, unlike last night when I stayed in.

[Arrows]

Think I may have to go out tonight for sure, unlike last night when I stayed in.

Let's see what happens today, before you make any leaps. There's just...a few ways your role could hurt us, even if we knew who to send you to.

[Zeel1]

Interesting. That would have been my guess. It's the rationale I used to come up with the reasoning I did.

Anyway, you guys have been pressuring me a lot but for all of that I've been totally forthcoming on everything but my ability. And honestly, the only thing those pressuring seem to have against me is that I won't tell them what that ability is. An ability I've said that I'll reveal tomorrow. An ability that can help the town.

So I've promised to be forthcoming on the only issue anyone seems to have with me after using it to find information that is quite useful, yet I'm still being put under enormous pressure by a grand total of three people - one of whom I have good reason to believe to be scum/the don.

Hmmmm.

Yeah, scum very rarely put themselves on the chopping block by jumping in and saving one of their own. Arrows especially wouldn't do this. Defending a teammate that's about to be lynched is recipe for disaster. And plus, defending them too heavily can serve to make them look even worse. So, yeah, you'll rarely find scum helping each other out in-thread.

Hell, Arrows usually picks fights with his scum buddies.. :p

And, you think my discussion with you has anything at all to do with your ability? Have I asked you what your ability is? No. Have I asked you anything about results from your ability? No. Have I asked what you're going to do with your ability? No. Have I even mentioned your ability before this post? No.

Assuming the scum/don that wants to know of your ability is supposed to be me - pray tell, where did you come to that conclusion?

[Wallbanger]

Think I may have to go out tonight for sure, unlike last night when I stayed in.

Not the wisest thing to declare when you know there's someone (who doesn't trust you) willing to redirect you (again).

Of course, saying something and doing it are two different things.

[Kobe1724]

Exactly.

And again, if Rev's town, he'd have NO f'n clue wether or not Zeel would up at BHK. There is NO way at all that Rev could know. Period. So again, your ENTIRE argument, is off.

Post 1063:

Interesting that Zeel1 claims to not have done anything Night 1. What I find interesting is that both the person I redirected (Zeel1) and the person I redirected him to (BHK) were silenced. So either my redirected person and the person I redirected them to were, both coincidently silenced by independent parties or I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK which caused them both to be silenced.

Maybe the silencing is more Mr Freeze wide blast where both the targets and targeting players are all silenced (which causes me to question Bak as well). With that logic there is an argument that I was able to put Zeel in the vicinity of BHK despite Zeel claiming not to have used an ability on Night 1. Which with the way he's responded to votes and this; I'm more than willing to lynch Zeel right now. I don't believe in coincidences.

What we have here is the following:

1. If we find out that Max is scum tomorrow, it establishes Rev was telling the truth about him.

2. We also have damning evidence that zeel was lying. Why would Rev, who we now have good reason to believe was town and telling the truth about Max - was lying about the zeel situation?

If Max turns out scum tomorrow, my hypothesis is that zeel and possibly yourself are scum. If he turns out town tomorrow, then Rev is likely scum.

[Max Peck]

Post 1063:



What we have here is the following:

1. If we find out that Max is scum tomorrow, it establishes Rev was telling the truth about him.

2. We also have damning evidence that zeel was lying. Why would Rev, who we now have good reason to believe was town and telling the truth about Max - was lying about the zeel situation?

If Max turns out scum tomorrow, my hypothesis is that zeel and possibly yourself are scum. If he turns out town tomorrow, then Rev is likely scum.

I know I am not scum, so I welcome any scrutiny, because I know the Kobe's findings will exonerate me.

[Arrows]

Post 1063:



What we have here is the following:

1. If we find out that Max is scum tomorrow, it establishes Rev was telling the truth about him.

2. We also have damning evidence that zeel was lying. Why would Rev, who we now have good reason to believe was town and telling the truth about Max - was lying about the zeel situation?

If Max turns out scum tomorrow, my hypothesis is that zeel and possibly yourself are scum. If he turns out town tomorrow, then Rev is likely scum.

1. Yes. Yes, exactly. If Max is scum, Rev was More Than Likely(NOT 100%) telling the truth.

There is NO way that Rev can be sure he sent Zeel anywhere. If Zeel didn't do anything, maybe Zeel didn't f'n do anything and it didn't work. There is NO way Rev can know one from the other.

[Arrows]

Now, answer my question.

[Kobe1724]

1. You're on a list of FOUR possible people that killed a townie. We have done some questioning on two, one is clear by something said in a post. That leaves you to question.

2. You still haven't told me who else you've got this information on. Been 3 nights now. Where are those results?

1. Okay. Question away. But so far all I've gotten from you guys is a series of attempts to poke holes in my line of reasoning. It helps me to build a stronger case sure as I have logic blind spots, but I don't see how it helps you figure out if I'm scum or not. Let's assume that you can prove that my logic against zeel isn't air tight? I've said as much already, but even if I hadn't so what? All that shows is that my theories aren't perfect. The last thing it shows is that I'm scum.

To me, this reads like you guys know something about Max that I don't and are trying to create doubt in my theories ahead of tomorrows result.

Yeah, scum very rarely put themselves on the chopping block by jumping in and saving one of their own. Arrows especially wouldn't do this. Defending a teammate that's about to be lynched is recipe for disaster. And plus, defending them too heavily can serve to make them look even worse. So, yeah, you'll rarely find scum helping each other out in-thread.

Hell, Arrows usually picks fights with his scum buddies.. :p


Good to know. ;)

And, you think my discussion with you has anything at all to do with your ability? Have I asked you what your ability is? No. Have I asked you anything about results from your ability? No. Have I asked what you're going to do with your ability? No. Have I even mentioned your ability before this post? No.

Assuming the scum/don that wants to know of your ability is supposed to be me - pray tell, where did you come to that conclusion?

I'm assuming this is ability related because I haven't done anything else to cause you guys to suspect me of anything. It makes me think that you're concerned about something I'm going to find and are pressing against me as a result.

[Arrows]

1. Okay. Question away. But so far all I've gotten from you guys is a series of attempts to poke holes in my line of reasoning. It helps me to build a stronger case sure as I have logic blind spots, but I don't see how it helps you figure out if I'm scum or not. Let's assume that you can prove that my logic against zeel isn't air tight? I've said as much already, but even if I hadn't so what? All that shows is that my theories aren't perfect. The last thing it shows is that I'm scum.

To me, this reads like you guys know something about Max that I don't and are trying to create doubt in my theories ahead of tomorrows result.



Good to know. ;)



I'm assuming this is ability related because I haven't done anything else to cause you guys to suspect me of anything. It makes me think that you're concerned about something I'm going to find and are pressing against me as a result.

There's a 1/3 chance you're a killer. That's not reason enough to suspect?

[Kobe1724]

2. You still haven't told me who else you've got this information on. Been 3 nights now. Where are those results?

I've said multiple times now that I haven't used my ability before.

[Arrows]

I've said multiple times now that I haven't used my ability before.

Why?

[Max Peck]

They probably think you are lying about your ability or not using it. Same with me.

[Kobe1724]

There's a 1/3 chance you're a killer. That's not reason enough to suspect?

Okay, fine, suspect. But where is this going? I feel like I've spent the past hour or so defending my theories, not myself.

That makes me suspicious of the people questioning me.

[Zeel1]

I'm assuming this is ability related because I haven't done anything else to cause you guys to suspect me of anything. It makes me think that you're concerned about something I'm going to find and are pressing against me as a result.

Let's make this perfectly clear: Pressure on you started because of your place on the list. I've been mostly cleared, MLT's feeling clean, Eay's dead and came up town. That means you and Jman are the top suspects, and frankly he's given us more about who he is. (Which, for Jman, is honestly pretty shocking, but there you go..:p)

That's why attention has turned to you. No other reason. All I've done, personally, is question your logic in thinking I'm scum.

[moon_lit_tears]

I don't know. Either Rev or Max could be lying (their is also a small chance both are telling the truth), but regardless I think that lynching you will give us a lot of information. If you come up town, we know that either I or Jman is the SK for sure based on the report. If you come up scum there are several people that have fought hard for you that we can now look at as possible mafia members.

If we assume that you and Rev aren't aligned with one another, we also now know with reasonable certainty that if you both turn up scum that one of you was the SK and we only have one scum group to go.

My desire to lynch you isn't borne out of the fact that you're most likely to be scum, but from the fact that your death gives us the most information regardless of the outcome.



If I told you that I'd be telling you my ability wouldn't I? And we've established that's the only thing I'm not going to tell you.

All I can say is that I'll know his ability tomorrow if no one interferes with my ability.

Wait! What? Do you think you are gong to get a free pass, Sure lets let her go cuz you know she isn't going to tell us anything. NAh not the way things work.

Think I may have to go out tonight for sure, unlike last night when I stayed in.

Not the wisest thing to declare when you know there's someone (who doesn't trust you) willing to redirect you (again).

Of course, saying something and doing it are two different things.

Specially if that redirection is done by a not so up and up person. :p

[Arrows]

Okay, fine, suspect. But where is this going? I feel like I've spent the past hour or so defending my theories, not myself.

That makes me suspicious of the people questioning me.

It is your actions with trying to keep things on Zeel despite your argument being flawed, that makes me suspect you more.

[Kobe1724]

Why?

I can't tell you this without letting you know what it is. I'm really in a tight spot here. If I tell what my ability is, it will endanger my ability to use it. If I don't tell you then you guys aren't going to let up. That said, I'm not going to tell you my ability today. I want the town to beat the mafia here, and down 7 to 1 this is our best chance to get new information in my estimation.

You'll know my ability tomorrow, so all I can say until then is be easy, okay? :)

[Arrows]

Wait! What? Do you think you are gong to get a free pass, Sure lets let her go cuz you know she isn't going to tell us anything. NAh not the way things work.





Specially if that redirection is done by a not so up and up person. :p

Yea. Not a helpful thought, at all.

[Arrows]

I can't tell you this without letting you know what it is. I'm really in a tight spot here. If I tell what my ability is, it will endanger my ability to use it. If I don't tell you then you guys aren't going to let up. That said, I'm not going to tell you my ability today. I want the town to beat the mafia here, and down 7 to 1 this is our best chance to get new information in my estimation.

You'll know my ability tomorrow, so all I can say until then is be easy, okay? :)

You've claimed to investigate. You're DEAD tonight. Talk now. Why have you, someone with a POWERFUL HELPFUL role, done **** all? Why should we believe a word you say when you haven't been using your ability to help?

[Zeel1]

If I don't tell you then you guys aren't going to let up.

IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ABILITY.




..ahem.

Not coming from me, anyway.

[moon_lit_tears]

I can't tell you this without letting you know what it is. I'm really in a tight spot here. If I tell what my ability is, it will endanger my ability to use it. If I don't tell you then you guys aren't going to let up. That said, I'm not going to tell you my ability today. I want the town to beat the mafia here, and down 7 to 1 this is our best chance to get new information in my estimation.

You'll know my ability tomorrow, so all I can say until then is be easy, okay? :)


But you want a protector to use there ability on you without knowing if you are good or not?

[Kobe1724]

It is your actions with trying to keep things on Zeel despite your argument being flawed, that makes me suspect you more.

I've explained this before. I think that rather zeel is scum or town, his death gives us a lot of information.

I've told you everything I can about myself aside from my ability. If that isn't enough to clear me in you guys eyes then I can only hope that the majority don't share your opinion or else my odds aren't good for the near future anyway. :o

[petrija]

Okay, bottom line, my view on the situation.

Kobe. Never assume.

That's what gets your ass kicked in this game.

You can NEVER know anything for CERTAIN.
Even if someone is dead and in the graveyard. Not certain.
Nothing is certain, until game over has been called.
Until then, expect the unexpected.
Always.

Arrows.
Lay up a bit. Give her a chance to learn.

[petrija]

I've explained this before. I think that rather zeel is scum or town, his death gives us a lot of information.

I've told you everything I can about myself aside from my ability. If that isn't enough to clear me in you guys eyes then I can only hope that the majority don't share your opinion or else my odds aren't good for the near future anyway. :o

Here's the point,
I could get here, and say EXACTLY what you've said.
Does that make it true?

[Zeel1]

Arrows.
Lay up a bit. Give her a chance to learn.

I'm trying to, but she's getting on my ner-, oh wait, you meant, nevermind..

[Wallbanger]

OK, the heat's been on Kobe for a while -- let's push it to the back burner for a little while and use some time to explore other possibilities.

Jman's big hint was "I'm one of the three key organs for survival". But I really didn't get much of anything else in terms of ability.

The other problem is we've seen compartmentalization in some of those 'key organs', particularly the one up top. So I'm not sure we can count on a counterclaim.

I think we need to scrutinize this a bit more.

[Arrows]

Okay, bottom line, my view on the situation.

Kobe. Never assume.

That's what gets your ass kicked in this game.

You can NEVER know anything for CERTAIN.
Even if someone is dead and in the graveyard. Not certain.
Nothing is certain, until game over has been called.
Until then, expect the unexpected.
Always.

Arrows.
Lay up a bit. Give her a chance to learn.

Fine.

Someone else try to win this f'n game. Good luck winning without pushing people though.

[moon_lit_tears]

OK, the heat's been on Kobe for a while -- let's push it to the back burner for a little while and use some time to explore other possibilities.

Jman's big hint was "I'm one of the three key organs for survival". But I really didn't get much of anything else in terms of ability.

The other problem is we've seen compartmentalization in some of those 'key organs', particularly the one up top. So I'm not sure we can count on a counterclaim.

I think we need to scrutinize this a bit more.

See this is my problem. There are how many body parts? I mean there are only so many people.

Almost any game you play there is very little wiggle room. In a game like this a claim can be false and go to the end and never be thought of. I don't know how indepth they went with parts. I'm not sure we can trust any claim. :confused:

[Kobe1724]

You've claimed to investigate. You're DEAD tonight. Talk now. Why have you, someone with a POWERFUL HELPFUL role, done **** all? Why should we believe a word you say when you haven't been using your ability to help?

It will be clear in time. All I can say is that the drawbacks of the ability have made it unwise for me to use it until now.

But you want a protector to use there ability on you without knowing if you are good or not?

I'd like to hope that I've given whoever has the ability to protect enough reason to trust me to look out for me for one night. If not, I'm assuming that my ability will go through anyway. :)

Honestly, I'm still here now because I want to leave no doubt in anyone's mind that it is a bad idea to lynch me today. After tomorrow, I'll either have failed at my objective and my demise will be a forgone conclusion, or else you'll be kicking yourself for doubting me. ^_^

[moon_lit_tears]

It will be clear in time. All I can say is that the drawbacks of the ability have made it unwise for me to use it until now.


So you have an investigator role with drawbacks?

What are they?

[petrija]

It will be clear in time. All I can say is that the drawbacks of the ability have made it unwise for me to use it until now.




And those drawbacks won't be an issue all of a sudden?

[Kobe1724]

So you have an investigator role with drawbacks?

What are they?

Tomorrow.

Okay, bottom line, my view on the situation.

Kobe. Never assume.

That's what gets your ass kicked in this game.

You can NEVER know anything for CERTAIN.
Even if someone is dead and in the graveyard. Not certain.
Nothing is certain, until game over has been called.
Until then, expect the unexpected.
Always.

Arrows.
Lay up a bit. Give her a chance to learn.

I knew it would only be a matter of time before making so many declarations and accusing so many people got me into trouble. I'm really just posting all of my thoughts and let people parse from them what they will.

Here's the point,
I could get here, and say EXACTLY what you've said.
Does that make it true?

No, but then again if there was a way I could prove I'm town this wouldn't be much a game would it? :)

[Kobe1724]

And those drawbacks won't be an issue all of a sudden?

No, they still will be. I've just decided that the potential reward makes the risks worth it. And I'm kind of making that decision unilaterally. :o

[Kobe1724]

The reason I feel like this is the right play though is because I recognize that I'm putting myself in considerable danger and am taking that risk for the good of the town. I'm okay with the potential consequences, so I'm okay with making the decision myself this time.

[Zeel1]

The reason I feel like this is the right play though is because I recognize that I'm putting myself in considerable danger and am taking that risk for the good of the town. I'm okay with the potential consequences, so I'm okay with making the decision myself this time.

So you admit you had someone help you make the decision before? :p

[Kobe1724]

So you admit you had someone help you make the decision before? :p

lol no, but once you guys find out what my ability is you'll insist I don't use it again without consulting the town. :p

[petrija]

Tomorrow.



I knew it would only be a matter of time before making so many declarations and accusing so many people got me into trouble. I'm really just posting all of my thoughts and let people parse from them what they will.



No, but then again if there was a way I could prove I'm town this wouldn't be much a game would it? :)

I'm just saying don't let one accusation lead to another, to another, it ends up just like broken telephone.

[Kobe1724]

Fair. :)

Stepping out for a bit.

[petrija]

Here's my deal.

I have no idea how I feel about Kobe.

It's either:

1) She's town and in over her head trying to figure everything out. And hasn't really got a full grasp of things yet. Understandable. Takes time.

2) She's scum and in over her head trying to look as town as she can and buy time. Won't last long if such is the case.

I'm afraid to vote to lynch her just in case it's #1. If it is, I feel like she could use this as a huge learning experience. And, if she's telling the truth, she's not someone I want mislynched due to misunderstanding.

[moon_lit_tears]

Here's my deal.

I have no idea how I feel about Kobe.

It's either:

1) She's town and in over her head trying to figure everything out. And hasn't really got a full grasp of things yet. Understandable. Takes time.

2) She's scum and in over her head trying to look as town as she can and buy time. Won't last long if such is the case.

I'm afraid to vote to lynch her just in case it's #1. If it is, I feel like she could use this as a huge learning experience. And, if she's telling the truth, she's not someone I want mislynched due to misunderstanding.


I agree with you. We do have other options for today.


There are ways of finding out if she is #2.

[Kobe1724]

Here's my deal.

I have no idea how I feel about Kobe.

It's either:

1) She's town and in over her head trying to figure everything out. And hasn't really got a full grasp of things yet. Understandable. Takes time.

2) She's scum and in over her head trying to look as town as she can and buy time. Won't last long if such is the case.

I'm afraid to vote to lynch her just in case it's #1. If it is, I feel like she could use this as a huge learning experience. And, if she's telling the truth, she's not someone I want mislynched due to misunderstanding.

I know this isn't exactly a vote of confidence, but it's more than I've been getting so thanks. :)

I agree with you. We do have other options for today.


There are ways of finding out if she is #2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DAWhSIH2d5c

[Wallbanger]

It's OK, MLT, you can watch this one.

[moon_lit_tears]

It's OK, MLT, you can watch this one.

Thank you. After the last one made me lose my dinner I was worried about clicking that one. I will trust you this time Bossman. :p

[Wallbanger]

Thank you. After the last one made me lose my dinner I was worried about clicking that one. I will trust you this time Bossman. :p

Oh, it wasn't THAT bad. Look at it this way, it could have been UT666 and his midget fixation. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

I actually prefer the Joe C0cker version better.

[Jman2k3]

Cause if it's you or JMan, it's a SK!

If it's Zeel, it's MAFIA!

Know something we don't?

Exactly.

I think someone is just trying to pull of another Jman forensic investigator claim.

Sorry, can't fool the original chief. :p

OK, the heat's been on Kobe for a while -- let's push it to the back burner for a little while and use some time to explore other possibilities.

Jman's big hint was "I'm one of the three key organs for survival". But I really didn't get much of anything else in terms of ability.

The other problem is we've seen compartmentalization in some of those 'key organs', particularly the one up top. So I'm not sure we can count on a counterclaim.

I think we need to scrutinize this a bit more.

I'll give you another hint at what I am. I'm either a P----- or a L----- or a H----.