Why do I get penalised so heavily in the overall show rating?

[Irony]

Here is the overall score http://jettmedia.com/images/932010_05_24_221830.png

and here is the full match card http://jettmedia.com/images/782010_05_24_221822.png

Main Event=95
Semi main event = 95
Av of all other matches = 71
Av of all matches(including the Main event and semi main event) =77.8
Av of all angles =87.5

Perfect Show theory turned on
Booked all matches that were promised in the Advance Bookings
Lost a National Battle recently
Followed the 70:30 ratio of Matches : Angles


So 70% of 95=66.5
20% of 95 = 19
10% of 71 = 7.1

Therefore total score should be 92.6.
So why did I incur a penalty of 6.6 ratings?



I am constantly getting penalties of 5-6 rating points. Don't understand why?I know I didn't follow the Perfect show theory but that single handedly won't cost me 6 rating points would it?

Help!!!

[Self]

Your Openers look a bit low, and the Opener is an important part of the final grade. I don't know the percentage, but after the Main & Semi-Main it's the most important match.

[Kovic]

Your Openers look a bit low, and the Opener is an important part of the final grade. I don't know the percentage, but after the Main & Semi-Main it's the most important match.

Really?! REALLY!?! (Just doing the Miz-thing here :p) Truly I believe that is something some of the board members have came up themselves with no evidence.

My guess is that your semi main-event got bit higher grade than your main event. Was there any negative notes after the show? Those also drop the overall grade easily

[Regis]

Yeah, what Self said. However, I have to say, that looks like an awesome show. :)

[FlameSnoopy]

Really?! REALLY!?! (Just doing the Miz-thing here :p) Truly I believe that is something some of the board members have came up themselves with no evidence.

Yeah, I believe Adam somewhere said this was (opener thing) is not true.

[LoganRodzen]

Really?! REALLY!?! (Just doing the Miz-thing here :p) Truly I believe that is something some of the board members have came up themselves with no evidence.

My guess is that your semi main-event got bit higher grade than your main event. Was there any negative notes after the show? Those also drop the overall grade easily

The undercard makes up 10% of the final rating. You always want your opening match to be a good one. Why? Because you want to get the crowd hot and set a precedent, "this show is going to be good." So I don't think it's been made up. :p

[Self]

Yeah, I believe Adam somewhere said this was (opener thing) is not true.

Wow. I had no idea.

[LoganRodzen]

Yeah, I believe Adam somewhere said this was (opener thing) is not true.

This actually disappoints me because that's how I've booked my shows for the longest time. The shows I put on work well with that technique, so I guess I'll stick to it.

[Self]

This actually disappoints me because that's how I've booked my shows for the longest time. The shows I put on work well with that technique, so I guess I'll stick to it.

Ditto. I've developed certain 'rules' for booking shows over the years, less to do with TEW mechanics and mathematics and more to do with what I like to see on wrestling shows. Put an angle between every match. Never have more than one tag match. Start with a strong opening match.

Worked well for me thus far, so no point changing it now.

[Greg McNeish]

Just to add to the original question, the average of all your major angles that are 4 minutes or more is calculated, and compared to the weighted rating of the matches. If the angles are better than the matches, you get a bonus, based on you big the difference is; if they are worse, then you get a similar penalty. By your own calculations (which I assume are correct, but am too lazy to verify), your angles were 5.1% lower than your matches.

That, coupled with your semi-main likely being microscopically better than your main event (which causes a penalty), results in penalties that can account for that kind of drop. If your semi-main had been a 94, you probably would have gotten a point or two higher final grade.

As was mentioned, that card looks slammin'. I would definitely drop the bucks for that show.

[FlameSnoopy]

Well the actual reason why people think why it affects to the show rating is that it actually does. But not in the way you think it does. Let me explain;

If you start your show with a lackluster match, and have no hot angles, the crowd is going to be bored etc. So that affects whatever you put out next, because the crowd 'was not hot' (or whatever it is it says in the game.)

[D-Lyrium]

I think the "opener has to be really good" thing is the result of confusion more than anything.

Yeah, it should probably be good because you want to get the crowd's mood up, but it doesn't in and of itself have any greater effect on the overall rating than any other match in the undercard.

Edit: Yeah, what Snoopy said ¬_¬ I got distracted by Assassin's Creed before clicking post. :p

[Irony]

This opening thing is really getting me confused..Looks like everyone here is confused about the 'opening match has to be the 3rd best match' theory.

The only reason I don't like to put on the very good opening show is coz then the next match has a note saying 'This segment fell flat after the previous one'. 'This match was penalised for lowering the crowd's mood.'

I rather like to follow the WWE way as in put the worst match 1st,then the 2nd worst , then the 3rd worst and so on till the best match is the Main event.

& Thanks for all the booking complements

& yeah can some one please confirm if or if not the OPENER match has something to do with the ratings coz the HELP FILE certainly doesn't mention so.

Just to add to the original question, the average of all your major angles that are 4 minutes or more is calculated, and compared to the weighted rating of the matches. If the angles are better than the matches, you get a bonus, based on you big the difference is; if they are worse, then you get a similar penalty. By your own calculations (which I assume are correct, but am too lazy to verify), your angles were 5.1% lower than your matches.

Av score of all the angles 87.5 while that of matches is 77.8. All my angles were above 4 minutes except the surprise appearance of Marat Khoklov.


That, coupled with your semi-main likely being microscopically better than your main event (which causes a penalty), results in penalties that can account for that kind of drop. If your semi-main had been a 94, you probably would have gotten a point or two higher final grade.

Alrite that maybe a factor but a penalty of 6 points for that?

[BHK1978]

Yeah, I believe Adam somewhere said this was (opener thing) is not true.

Yeah I recall reading him say that as well. All though for the life of me I can't remember what thread it was in.

[Derek B]

Yeah I recall reading him say that as well. All though for the life of me I can't remember what thread it was in.

I have to admit, that does look like somewhat of a low rating. Not sure why it's as low as it is, I woulda thought it shoud be higher. Obvious questions to ask... are you being told you are over-using people a lot? Are you getting messages at the end of the show saying anything at all, really?

As for the opening match... it has an equal rating with all the other matches that count towards the 10% of the show outside of the main matches. BUT it does have a significant influence on your TV ratings. People will tune in and stay tuned in to a show with a hot opening match. This is what people are getting confused with a lot now. :)

[Apupunchau@optonline]

You make the opener good for perfect show theory, also good TV ratings. You get your crowd hot with a good opening match and your TV audience is more likely to stay tuned it. Then you valley and peak go down and then have another decent match in the middle and then go down again and for the last two match with semi-main event being the second best and Main Event being best. I've run shows where I got a B+ man event and a B or B- Semi-Main Event but because the show had the right flow I've still managed to get a B+ show. Usually I;ll get a show rated one rating lower than the main event.

[Hyde Hill]

Also I have noticed that major angles in post and pre show that are over the length limit do weigh in on the average angle number. Try running that show again and have those low rated training angles set as minor. Think it will help.

Also with perfect show theory turned on the peak and valley system becomes more important and you have disregarded that here slightly, just some slight adjustments in order could work wonders.

[Greg McNeish]

Av score of all the angles 87.5 while that of matches is 77.8. All my angles were above 4 minutes except the surprise appearance of Marat Khoklov.

Just to add to the original question, the average of all your major angles that are 4 minutes or more is calculated, and compared to the weighted rating of the matches.

As in, the 70/20/10 weighing of matches, which was, by your own calculations, 92.6. Therefore, the average of your angles were lower than weighted average of your matches, by 5.1%.

I don't know how much of an effect this, coupled with the afformentioned slightly lower main event, would have. I just know that these are factors that lower the overall grade. It's entirely possible, and even likely, that there are other small penalties, that chip away at the final grade. Some of these aren't easily detectible.

[Greg McNeish]

Sorry for the double post.

I rather like to follow the WWE way as in put the worst match 1st,then the 2nd worst , then the 3rd worst and so on till the best match is the Main event.

1.) That's not how the WWE books their shows. They always start the show with either a hot angle, hot match, or both. Whether it's Bret & Shawn burying the hatchet, or a match like Batista vs. Daniel Bryan, they always pop the crowd, at the very beginning. As well, on they're A shows, they always put on a good match at the 1 hour mark, so that they can catch people that are channel surfing.

2.) What you have listed here is exactly how you should book your shows if you have Perfect Show Theory turned OFF. Turn that off, and you'll instantly get better results.

[Irony]

Just to add to the original question, the average of all your major angles that are 4 minutes or more is calculated, and compared to the weighted rating of the matches.

What do you mean by the weighted ratings of the matches....didn't get your there buddy

That's not how the WWE books their shows. They always start the show with either a hot angle, hot match, or both. Whether it's Bret & Shawn burying the hatchet, or a match like Batista vs. Daniel Bryan, they always pop the crowd, at the very beginning. As well, on they're A shows, they always put on a good match at the 1 hour mark, so that they can catch people that are channel surfing.

But thats not what they do in PPVs.... In their PPV its always the worst match first.

Example is the Wrestlemania card .ITS IN REVERSE ORDER. Copied from wwe.com Its from worst to best.

The Undertaker def. Shawn Michaels
Bret Hart def. Mr. McMahon in a No Holds Barred Match
John Cena def. Batista (New WWE Champion)
World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho def. Edge
Jack Swagger wins Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Unified Tag Team Champion Big Show & The Miz def. John Morrison & R-Truth
Triple H def. Sheamus
Randy Orton wins Triple Threat Match vs. Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes
Rey Mysterio def. CM Punk
Vickie Guerrero's team wins the 10-Diva Tag Team Match
Yoshi Tatsu wins 26-Superstar WrestleMania Battle Royal

[Greg McNeish]

What do you mean by the weighted ratings of the matches....didn't get your there buddy

70% Main Event, 20% Semi-Main, 10% Everything Else. That's called "weighted".

So, average angles aren't compared to average matches (where all matches count equally). It's compared to those ^ numbers. Meaning that instead of your angles (87.5) being compared with your average matches (77.something), they are compared with your "weighted" average (92.6).

Sorry, I'm a math guy, so all this stuff is second-nature to me. Sometimes I forget that not everyone is a nerd.

[Tragik]

What do you mean by the weighted ratings of the matches....didn't get your there buddy



But thats not what they do in PPVs.... In their PPV its always the worst match first.

Example is the Wrestlemania card .ITS IN REVERSE ORDER. Copied from wwe.com Its from worst to best.

The Undertaker def. Shawn Michaels
Bret Hart def. Mr. McMahon in a No Holds Barred Match
John Cena def. Batista (New WWE Champion)
World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho def. Edge
Jack Swagger wins Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Unified Tag Team Champion Big Show & The Miz def. John Morrison & R-Truth
Triple H def. Sheamus
Randy Orton wins Triple Threat Match vs. Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes
Rey Mysterio def. CM Punk
Vickie Guerrero's team wins the 10-Diva Tag Team Match
Yoshi Tatsu wins 26-Superstar WrestleMania Battle Royal

This is completely wrong. While wwe.com might have listed the matches this way, the first match (besides the pre-show battle royal) was the tag match.

[Teh_Showtime]

Example is the Wrestlemania card .ITS IN REVERSE ORDER. Copied from wwe.com Its from worst to best.


thats just WM and people wont turn away when they paid 60 bucks for it either way

but usually SD DOES have a great opening match (compared to rest of the show) Swagger vs Morrison as an example before the draft

[Greg McNeish]

But thats not what they do in PPVs.... In their PPV its always the worst match first.

Example is the Wrestlemania card .ITS IN REVERSE ORDER. Copied from wwe.com Its from worst to best.

The Undertaker def. Shawn Michaels
Bret Hart def. Mr. McMahon in a No Holds Barred Match
John Cena def. Batista (New WWE Champion)
World Heavyweight Champion Chris Jericho def. Edge
Jack Swagger wins Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Unified Tag Team Champion Big Show & The Miz def. John Morrison & R-Truth
Triple H def. Sheamus
Randy Orton wins Triple Threat Match vs. Ted DiBiase and Cody Rhodes
Rey Mysterio def. CM Punk
Vickie Guerrero's team wins the 10-Diva Tag Team Match
Yoshi Tatsu wins 26-Superstar WrestleMania Battle Royal

I shelled out the cash for Wrestlemania. That's not even close to the order they went in. Not only was the battle royal on the pre-show, but they started off with the Tag Title match, which was a decent tilt (although too short). The divas, as they usually are, were in the cool-down slot, before the main events. In fact, they are usually the only divergence from Perfect Show Theory, as it works in-game, because the divas sometimes go on in the Semi-Main (like they did this Sunday), instead of the third-last match, which is where you'd want them in TEW.

Regardless of how WWE does it's shows, though, in TEW terms, the way you book works best when "Perfect Show Theory" is turned off. Do that, and you'll see (slightly) better results.

[Phantom Stranger]

But thats not what they do in PPVs.... In their PPV its always the worst match first.


On TV, you want to persuade people to stay tuned. On PPV, your audience has already BOUGHT THE PPV.

[Hyde Hill]

On TV, you want to persuade people to stay tuned. On PPV, your audience has already BOUGHT THE PPV.

But you still wanted an exited crowd as it ads to the show and will encourage people to buy future ppv's. So start hot or at least good. Most of The E's ppv's also work this way. Wrestlemania is kind of an exception that proves the rule as the crowd should be hot for it anyway and almost every match should be good. Not counting the divas.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

I'll just say what's been told to me when I've asked this question: it's not a matter of simple math. There are too many variables to guess what the final rating will be. I've tried. I've failed. Always expect lower than your guesses.

[unicron]

Slightly off-topic but reading some of these responses has brought this back to me. I noticed a distinct improvement in my show grades with CZCW after dispensing with the idea (which I'm sure has been stated on the boards) that the second worst match of the night should be in the slot before the co-main event. I moved the cool down match a slot earlier and my grades have flown up.

Back on the subject (somewhat) - I'm sure this has been mentioned on the boards also but is anyone able to confirm that angles don't effect a change in crowd heat in regards to PST? Is it possible that the highly rated entrance and hype video segments prior to the main event could have skewed PST somewhat?