Another great musician gone..

[ElvisSolomon]

This morning Paul Gray, Bassist, songwriter and founding member of the ever-so-popular Metal/Nu-Metal band Slipknot was found dead in his Hotel room at 10am today.

As a big fan of Slipknot this really sucks.. he was such a good bassist, hopefully they can pull together and still kick some major ass.
RIP Paul 1972-2010

[Comradebot]

This morning Paul Gray, Bassist, songwriter and founding member of the ever-so-popular Metal/Nu-Metal band Slipknot was found dead in his Hotel room at 10am today.

As a big fan of Slipknot this really sucks.. he was such a good bassist, hopefully they can pull together and still kick some major ass.
RIP Paul 1972-2010

For such a big fan of the band, seems like you would've known he actually died over a month ago.

[Stennick]

I was gonna say did ANOTHER of their band members die. Yeah this is atleast a month old. I thought there was a thread on this board about it.

[petecrimson00]

now what band will the posers all attract to? oh no!
but on a somber note, RIP. You played some good music back in the day

[shamelessposer]

Is it still too soon to make jokes about the term "great musician" being applied to a member of Slipknot?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Is it still too soon to make jokes about the term "great musician" being applied to a member of Slipknot?

I take you don't listen to them then. Personally I never heard too much bass from him. The guitars tended to drown it out, but they are a great band.

[brashleyholland]

I take you don't listen to them then. Personally I never heard too much bass from him. The guitars tended to drown it out, but they are a great band.

I wouldn't go that far. The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zepplin, The Who...they're great bands.

Slipknot are good.

[Jaysin]

I wouldn't go that far. The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zepplin, The Who...they're overrated bands.

Slipknot are great.

Fixed that for ya

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I wouldn't go that far. The Beatles, The Stones, Led Zepplin, The Who...they're great bands.

Slipknot are good.

14 million records sold in an era when platinum is a major accomplishment. In a genre which recieves hardly any media attention aside from channels, radio stations, magazines and websites that are solely dedicated that genre. They are pretty much carrying the metal flag right now. I would call them great, not in the same breath as Zep and The Who, but yes great.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Yeah, he passed away quite some time ago.. I actually started the other thread about it.. I believe I called it something along the same lines as this thread name.

But Slipknot is a great band, they are the flagship for Melodic Metal. Sure they scream on occasion but what Metal band(now days) really doesn't? Paul Gray should be noted and thanked for bringing Slipknot to fruition. Him & Shawn really tried hard to get the band into the media spotlight and they have and haven't turned back. Congrats guys, and RIP Paul.

Actually now that I go back to my original thread he copied and pasted everything I said exactly.. check it out for yourselves.

http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=136838

[WrestleManiac]

SLIPKNOT BASSIST: CAUSE OF DEATH REVEALED
Slipknot bassist Paul Gray died from accidental overdose of morphine and fentanyl (which is a synthetic type of morphine). This has now been officially confirmed. Gray was found dead on May 24 at a hotel in Urbandale, Iowa.

Taken from TotalRock.com

[Genadi]

14 million records sold.....

Dude? I'd check that source ;)

I enoyed some of their early stuff.

Edit - After a quick search....


cavemanic08-06-2002, 06:19 PM
heres some you can either find some on www.blabbermouth.net and do a search for "soundscan" or http://www.metal-sludge.com/SludgeScanChart.htm but that is more hair metal stuff ,though they do have some underground bands from time to time ,as far as a soundscan site I THINK there is a RIAA site somewhere on the net ,don't know where though!




KORN – Issues: 3,047,076
KORN – Follow The Leader: 3,414,717
LIMP BIZKIT – Chocolate Starfish…: 6,259,073
LIMP BIZKIT – Significant Other: 7,237,123
METALLICA – Metallica: 13,101,377
METALLICA – Load: 4,682,409
METALLICA – Re-load: 3,607,713
PANTERA – Reinventing The Steel: 570,148
PANTERA – Great Southern…: 758,681
PANTERA – Far Beyond…: 1,308,380
PANTERA – Vulgar Display…: 1,781,674
MEGADETH – The World Needs…: 195,770
MEGADETH – Risk: 304,236
MEGADETH – Youthanasia: 891, 333
MEGADETH – Countdown To…: 2,134,113
SLAYER – God Hates Us All: 180,867
SLAYER – Diabolus In Musica: 253,302
SLAYER – Divine Intervention: 405,092
ANTHRAX – Volume 8: 77,878
ANTHRAX – Stomp 442: 115,017
ANTHRAX – Sound Of White Noise: 511,284
SLIPKNOT – Iowa: 726,388
SLIPKNOT – Slipknot: 1,414,552
SEPULTURA – Nation: 55,721
SEPULTURA – Against: 127,547
SEPULTURA – Roots: 357,257
SEPULTURA – Chaos A.D.: 452,528
SOULFLY – Primitive: 226,569
SOULFLY – Soulfly: 337,590
FEAR FACTORY – Digimortal: 156,264
FEAR FACTORY – Obsolete: 406,247
FEAR FACTORY – Demanufacture: 240,229
STATIC-X – Machine: 400,320
STATIC-X – Wisconsin Death…: 793,934
ORGY – Vapor Transmission: 319,759
ORGY – Candyass: 1,163,898
PAPA ROACH – Infest: 3,164,840
HOOBASTANK – Hoobastank: 538,762
POWERMAN 5000 – Tonight The Stars…: 1,285,243
POWERMAN 5000 – Mega!! Kung Fu…: 151,474
ROB ZOMBIE – The Sinister Urge: 744,859
ROB ZOMBIE – Hellbilly Deluxe: 2,609,972
OZZY OSBOURNE – Down To Earth: 737,053
OZZY OSBOURNE – Ozzmosis: 1,572,385
MARILYN MANSON – Holy Wood…: 446,756
MARILYN MANSON – Mechanical…: 1,237,008
IRON MAIDEN – Brave New World: 237,814
IRON MAIDEN – Fear Of The Dark: 402,929
IRON MAIDEN – Rock In Rio: 18,525
BRUCE DICKINSON – Chemical Wedding: 39,698
BRUCE DICKINSON – Accident Of Birth: 44,474
BIOHAZARD – Uncivilization: 20,633
BIOHAZARD – New World…: 51,147
BIOHAZARD – Mata Leao: 51,408
BIOHAZARD – State Of The World…: 198,790
JUDAS PRIEST – Demolition: 42,831
JUDAS PRIEST – Jugulator: 108,174
HALFORD – Live Insurrection: 25,532
HALFORD – Resurrection: 60,870
TWO – Voyeurs: 47,469
FIGHT – A Small Deadly Space: 67,407
FIGHT – War Of Words: 223,902
ICED EARTH – Horror Show: 31,967
ICED EARTH – Something Wicked…: 41,590
KING DIAMOND – Abigail II…: 13,466
KING DIAMOND – Voodoo: 32,907
KING DIAMOND – Spider's…: 29,224
MORBID ANGEL – Gateways…: 31,357
MORBID ANGEL – Formulas Fatal…: 43,011
MORBID ANGEL – Covenant: 119,893
DEICIDE – In Torment In Hell: 10,923
DEICIDE – Insineratehymn: 26,939
DEICIDE – Legion: 102,056
CANNIBAL CORPSE – Gore Obsessed: 13,974
CANNIBAL CORPSE – Bloodthirst: 36,574
CANNIBAL CORPSE – Bleeding: 93,588
IN FLAMES – Clayman: 21,773
MESHUGGAH – Chaosphere: 35,232
SAVATAGE – Poets & Madmen: 16,517
SAVATAGE – Edge Of Thorns: 107,880
SOILWORK – Natural Born Chaos: 2,267
SOILWORK – Predator's Portrait: 6,326
SINERGY – Suicide By My Side: 1,300
SINERGY – To Hell And Back: 2,325
CHILDREN OF BODOM – Follow…: 7,946
SENTENCED – Crimson: 7,285
SENTENCED – Frozen: 4,406
SENTENCED – Down: 4,575
TO/DIE/FOR – Epilogue: 649
SKINLAB – Disembody…: 35,925
SKINLAB – Bound, Gagged…: 14,927
AMORPHIS – Am Universum: 7,757
AMORPHIS – Tuonela: 12,765
AMORPHIS – Elegy: 15,100
IMMORTAL – Sons Of Northern…: 3,223
BORKNAGAR – Empiricism: 3,096
HAMMERFALL – Renegade: 8,969
HAMMERFALL – Legacy Of Kings: 14,436
HAMMERFALL – Glory To The…: 11,279
SEBASTIAN BACH – Bring 'Em…: 16,979
NEVERMORE – Dead Heart In…: 19,962
NEVERMORE – Dreaming Neon…: 18,302
ENTOMBED – Morning Star: 2,669
ENTOMBED – Uprising: 3,354
ENTOMBED – Same Difference: 6,808
ENTOMBED – Wolverine Blues: 56,764
HELLACOPTERS – Grande Rock: 8,639
HELLACOPTERS – Payin' The Dues: 8,422
BACKYARD BABIES – Total 13: 2,988
BLIND GUARDIAN – Night At The…: 6,177
BLIND GUARDIAN – Nightfall…: 14,583
PRIMAL FEAR – Nuclear Fire: 3,766
DESTRUCTION – Antichrist: 1,877
DESTRUCTION – All Hell Breaks…: 3,110
KREATOR – Violent Revolution: 2,511
QUEENSRYCHE – Q2K: 147,396
QUEENSRYCHE – Hear In The Now…: 304,075
QUEENSRYCHE – Promised Land: 741,648
MACHINE HEAD – Supercharger: 44,994
MACHINE HEAD – The Burning Red: 134,458
MACHINE HEAD – The More Things…: 115,104
MACHINE HEAD – Burn My Eyes: 145,240
DOWN – II: 62,366
DOWN – Nola: 232,847
ANDREW WK – I Get Wet: 45,598
STRAPPING YOUNG LAD – City: 9,328
STRAPPING YOUNG LAD – No Sleep…: 4,098
STRAPPING YOUNG LAD – Heavy As…: 7,138

[brashleyholland]

14 million records sold in an era when platinum is a major accomplishment. In a genre which recieves hardly any media attention aside from channels, radio stations, magazines and websites that are solely dedicated that genre. They are pretty much carrying the metal flag right now. I would call them great, not in the same breath as Zep and The Who, but yes great.

Just let me know when people are playing Mate, Feed, Kill, Repeat in 50 years time and I'll fully retract my comments :-p

Don't get me wrong, I was very much into Slipknot as an angry, spotty 15-16 year-old, but now that I'm old enough to realise that my stepdad doesn't hate me and I have beautiful skin, they're demoted from the IPod with the exception of a couple of tunes in my workout playlist :D

[Linsolv]

But Slipknot is a great band, they are the flagship for Melodic Metal. Sure they scream on occasion but what Metal band(now days) really doesn't?

Nightwish. At least, they didn't USED to. Things could've changed since they picked up that new girl.

Hell, Bathory -- who isn't a melodic metal band -- rarely slips into heavy growling.

Pretty much every speed metal band.

Slipknot is nu metal by most estimations I've heard. Melodic? You're the first to suggest it that I've met.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

One thing Genadi.. that's only got two of there CD's. Subliminal Verses was there top selling CD and then All Hope is Gone did amazing as well. So they could be close to 14 Million .. also there first CD went Platinum.. and you have to sell so many copies to do so. And it's alot more than 700,000.

I still listen to M.F.K.R. for the record. With Lead singers Anders Colsfini(spelling?).

People will still be listening to Wait and Bleed in 50 years I can see. And maybe even some of the newer ones.. Alot of people don't listen to the first cd of alot of bands though so you're statement is somewhat blasphemy. Sorry for anything I may have said to hurt someone. I just really love the band.

[Linsolv]

Not trying to be offensive either. You can have your tastes, and that's fine. But I do kind of agree with Brashley in that I really don't think that Slipknot has that kind of staying power.

Not that anything I listen to does either.

Now... the slip-knot you tie in ropes. Now there's something really useful.

[Genadi]

One thing Genadi.. that's only got two of there CD's. Subliminal Verses was there top selling CD and then All Hope is Gone did amazing as well. So they could be close to 14 Million .. also there first CD went Platinum.. and you have to sell so many copies to do so. And it's alot more than 700,000.

2 million is platinum if memory serves me correctly. I didn't think they had more then 4 or 5 albums, even if all 5 went platinum that's still 4 million short.

I'm just sayin'

[Linsolv]

Your memory is off this time, Genadi.

In the US, Gold is 100,000; Platinum is 1,000,000; and Diamond is 10,000,000.

In Australia, since I noticed you're from there, it's only 35,000 for Gold and 70,000 for Platinum, but I digress.

EDIT: Since we're on the subject:

Slipknot, their first album, went Double Platinum. Since then, Subliminal Verses has gone Platinum, Iowa has gone Platinum, 9.0 Live has gone Gold, and All Hope is Gone has gone Gold.

At least that's what the RIAA had to say about it.

[RingofHonorGuard]

My girlfriend loves Slipknot, it's a heirloom from her angsty teen years. I used to enjoy them in my teens, but eventually discovered real music. Now about as far into the realms of "mainstream" I go are Queens of the Stone Age.

Slipknot's first commercial success(self-titled) was awesome. But I thought Iowa and everything from that point on SUCKED. I have to be honest... when I saw "great musician" I was thinking someone from a real band that's honed some time-honored classics died. You know, like maybe Paul McCartney.

Slipknot aren't even legends in the metal genre. Wish all of these "maggots" would grow up and turn into flies.

[Jaysin]

Slipknot- Self titled album- 2x Multi platinum; Certification Date- 02/05/2005
Slipknot- Iowa- Platinum; Certification Date- 10/10/2001
Slipknot- Volume 3- Platinum; Certification Date- 02/21/2005
Slipknot- 9.0 Live- Gold; 12/09/2005
Slipknot- All Hope is Gone- Gold; Certification Date- 12/09/2008

This is from the RIAA's actual site. So anyone trying to dispute that Slipknot hasn't had platinum albums is full of it. Also, all three of their home video dvd's have gone platinum as well. In the case of the Disasterpiece's dvd, it went 4x platinum.

Genadi, you might want to check your source, because platinum means a million copies and three of their albums went platinum...just sayin

[Linsolv]

Which means that they sold 4,000,000 on platinums; 200,000 on golds, and we're still NOWHERE near 12 million.

EDIT: Adding in the DVD, that's 8 million. Closer, to be certain, but still not 12 million. And I thought we were just talking about records?

EDIT: I'm sorry, 14. Still not 14 million.

[20LEgend]

But is that just in America, because they have sold music worldwide, not that I know how many so worldwide they will be at least closer to 14m or Does the America bit of RIAA mean they have worldwide figures for American groups?

[Gabbo]

Music DVD's:
Welcome to Our Neighbourhood - Platinum.
Disasterpieces - 4x Platinum
Voliminal - Platinum

Add that to music and that's just over 10 million records in the US alone. The fact is often stated as 14 million records worldwide so yeah...

[Genadi]

Slipknot- Self titled album- 2x Multi platinum; Certification Date- 02/05/2005
Slipknot- Iowa- Platinum; Certification Date- 10/10/2001
Slipknot- Volume 3- Platinum; Certification Date- 02/21/2005
Slipknot- 9.0 Live- Gold; 12/09/2005
Slipknot- All Hope is Gone- Gold; Certification Date- 12/09/2008

This is from the RIAA's actual site. So anyone trying to dispute that Slipknot hasn't had platinum albums is full of it.

No one said anywhere they haven't sold platinum albums, I'm not sure you've read the thread properly.

Genadi, you might want to check your source, because platinum means a million copies and three of their albums went platinum...just sayin

Source looks solid, it's dated pretty plainly 2002 so more copies have been sold since. I still don't think they've sold 14 million copies, please someone provide me with a link to a reputable source and I will change my mind.

[Gabbo]

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH

From the RIAA (input Slipknot for search).

They list Slipknot with 6x Platinum from Video Albums. Then another 4x Platinums from Audio Albums with two Golds. All in the US.

Edit: In the beginning, there was only a Gold® album award for the sale of 500,000 copies. As the industry grew, other awards were developed. The Platinum® award (1,000,000 sold) was created in 1976 and with the advent of the compact disc and the subsequent increase in sales, the Multi-Platinum™ award was created in 1984.

There you go.

[brashleyholland]

Since when did record sales = good/great/bad musician anyway? I'm sure the Jonas (sp?) Brothers and 'Idol' contestants have out-sold a lot of great bands over the past few years.

It's all subjective though really isn't it? I'm sure there are some people out there that think Hanson were 'great'.

For me personally, a 'good' band can define/lead a genre for a period of time, but a great band influences culture and music for generations. Slipknot never did anything new or ground breaking. I've heard bands with more than 9 or 10 people in before, I've seen bands with masks/outfits before.

I was lucky enough to be at Live8 a few years back for The Who and Pink Floyd. There were people who looked to be in their 50-60's, shoulder to shoulder with kids of 15-16, all singing along to those bands and the likes of Paul McCartney etc. Surely nobody would argue that the likes of Korn, Slipknot etc will have that sphere of influence 20, 30, 40 years from now?

[Genadi]

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumdata.php?table=SEARCH

From the RIAA (input Slipknot for search).

They list Slipknot with 6x Platinum from Video Albums. Then another 4x Platinums from Audio Albums with two Golds. All in the US.

Edit:

There you go.

Thanks, I admit they've done alot better then I thought those are impressive numbers for a band of that genre.

Since when did record sales = good/great/bad musician anyway?


I agree, I wasn't talking about it as a measurement of how good they are.

[RingofHonorGuard]

Surely nobody would argue that the likes of Korn, Slipknot etc will have that sphere of influence 20, 30, 40 years from now?

I sadly think KoRn will still be popular 20,30,40 years from now, as I feel like they -did- change the scape of music in the late 90s. I was never a big fan of theirs, but they did bring some innovative riffs and style to the table when they -first- came out. Slipknot is much more of a gimmick than KoRn, despite both bands being awful in my opinion...

[WrestleManiac]

If Slipknot decide to continue without Paul Gray I'd say they have staying power. In 10, 20 years time they'll be looked at the same way as Megadeth are now. Another hevay metal band soldiering on into their fifties with the occasional hit and/or movie soundtrack.

I can't think of any metal band from the last 10 years that'll have the legend status of say Metallica, AC/DC, or Black Sabbath. These are bands that are known (and liked/respected) outside of their genre.