Death of the Territories Released

[D. Boon's Ghost]

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Wrestling Spirit 2: Death of the Territories


Author: Eric Baker

with additional contributions by Rick Arnold



Adapted from:

* Wrestling Spirit: D.O.T.T. v1.75 - Authors: Eric Baker & Rick Arnold
* TEW05: D.O.T.T. v2.25 - Author: Eric Baker - w/Ryan Russell
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Current Release: v1.25


Required Files:

D.O.T.T.exe*


Optional Files:

New Scenario Graphics


** The files can now be found at http://www.poetry-addicts.com/DOTT/ -- thanks to Troy Perry for setting up the page for me.


* I've bundled up the entire scenario in a self-extracting .exe file to make it easier on everyone.
(Located in the Files section of the site linked above)

** Please ensure that when installing, you point the destination path into your Wrestling Spirit 2/Data directory. It will create its own folder in there.
Ah, Progess!


Note: Please read the WreSpi II DOTT Microsoft Word Document, located in the D.O.T.T. folder. There you will find scenario background information, a history of professional wrestling from 1982-85, a list of alter egos for wrestlers, and full scenario credits.
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Scenario Details:


Starting Date: May, 1983

Workers: 1047
Moves: 1959
Movesets: 635
Tag Teams: 459
Promotion Pacts: 105
Worker Relationships: 1080
Titles: 112
Events: 244
TV Shows: 25
Future Promotions: 11


Promotions: 30


U.S.: Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling (Cult/Traditional/Mid-Atlantic), World Wrestling Federation (Cult/Sports Entertainment/Tri State), American Wrestling Association (Cult/Traditional/Mid West), Georgia Championship Wrestling (Cult/Traditional/South East), World Class Championship Wrestling (Regional/Traditional/Mid South), Mid-South Wrestling (Regional/Traditional/Mid South), Championship Wrestling from Florida (Regional/Sports Entertainment/South East), Central States (Regional/Traditional/Mid West), World Wrestling Council (Regional/Hardcore/Puerto Rico), Championship Wrestling Association (Regional/Sports Entertainment/South East), Pacific Northwest (Small/Cutting Edge/North West), Houston Championship Wrestling (Small/Traditional/Mid South), Southwest Championship Wrestling (Small/Hardcore/Mid South), Southeastern Championship Wrestling (Small/Traditional/South East), Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling (Small/Women’s T&A/South West), Detroit Championship Wrestling (Small/Sports Entertainment/Great Lakes), Polynesian Pro Wrestling (Local/Family Friendly/South West)

Canada: Maple Leaf Promotions (Regional/Traditional/Ontario), Calgary Stampede (Regional/Hybrid/The Prairies), International Wrestling Montreal (Regional/Traditional/Quebec), Atlantic Grand Prix Wrestling (Smal/Traditional: Seasonal/The Maritimes), All-Star Wrestling (Small/Sports Entertainment/British Columbia)

Mexico: Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (National/Lucha Traditional/Northern Mexico), Universal Wrestling Association (Small/Lucha Entertainment/West Central Mexico)

U.K.: Joint Promotions (National/Traditional/South U.K.), All Star Wrestling (Small/Hybrid/Midlands)

Japan: New Japan Pro Wrestling (Cult/Traditional/Kanto), All-Japan Pro Wrestling (Cult/Pure/Kanto), All Japan Women’s Pro Wrestling (Small/Women’s Competitive/Kanto), Universal Pro-Wrestling Federation (Small/Pure/Kanto)
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As always: My work is a tribute to those wrestlers that I knew and appreciated when younger. In no way do I mean to disrespect, nor demean the work these people plied.

I hope you enjoy.
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Coming Soon -- DOTT: Legends
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Power to the Imagination!

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I'd like to thank Rick Arnold for his contributions in getting the scenario foundation set and shaped. Without his fickle enthusiasm for the project, I may not have been inspired enough to see it through at the pace I did.

Thanks for the testing, cretin. ;)

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And to those of you that might enjoy this scenario while playing the demo, consider putting aside the money for the retail version, if possible. Cold hard cash is the best way to ensure that Adam sees that, 'Kayfabe Sells!'
:)

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Also... keep in mind that this scenario is a composite of the end of the territorial era; 1982-1985. I've taken liberties with wrestlers, personalities, and rosters in the game world to shape what I feel to be an entertaining starting scenario.

I've included a handful of rookies-to-be; Chris Benoit, Vampiro, etc. - if you wish to play as one of those guys, you'll have to go into the editor and fudge their birthdates.

Thanks for the interest.

[Unregistered]

Wow, I'm so happy that I'm up so early this morning, just so I can be the first person to say thank you... Thank you! ;)

I'm sure this is as awesome, and even though it has large clown-type shoes to fill, I'm sure that it will be even better on Wrespi 2 then it was on the original.

Thank you very much for you hard work! Thank you both Eric and Rick!



-edit- I was so excited, I spelt Eric wrong.... Wow, that was harsh.

[foolinc]

Thanks, to both of you for all your hard work! I can't wait for the Legends database. If it's anything like this one it's going to be amazing.

[panix04]

i was gonna start a cornellverse diary game tonight 'cos the missus is going out, but instead im gonna have to play this instead! You are the man D.Boon! Mick Foley is gonna rise through the ranks and become the man!

[That Crazy Guy]

It's confirmed. All-Nighter ahoy!

Love it Boon, DOTT is WreSpi.

[tristram]

Love it - love it - love it.

Just finished working Harley Race's legs over in the Mid Atlantic with Naitch. By the third match of the fued he was struggling... WOO! Cannon fodder for the figure four. Learn to live with it, learn to love it, diamonds are forever, and so is Ric Flair!

Well done guys, awesome stuff.

[pat666]

Even if I don't like Old wrestling mods.... well thank you to took the time of doing a mod... I'm going to play it since it's the first real mod... thank you

[bplotkin]

Just to be sure--in the files section there the DOTT.exe is under Wrestling Spirit. Where is the one for Wrespi 2?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Just to be sure--in the files section there the DOTT.exe is under Wrestling Spirit. Where is the one for Wrespi 2?

Considering WreSpi 2 doesn't have a logo as such, I went with last years. :)

That is the file you need.

[jonlawson]

DBoon is the man!! Thanks once again for making my playing time fun!

[Jeff Cartwright]

Good work. I'm playing a career as Bret Hart, working my way up the ranks on the Canadian independent scene. The Cornellverse was fun but this takes it to another level.

[Lux`]

Huge ups to you guys, awesome data. Thanks, gotta go play some more now ;) ->

[jbergey_2005]

Great Work fellas once again! Thanks so much!

[Slim Jim]

:)

Love this. My rookie is at C- in Mid South and E in South East, F everywhere else. Currently working for MSW and WCCW. Five-Time champion in MSW [the lowest title - I've forgotten the name] already :D Held a couple of other titles as well, and I'm doing well thus far! Went through a heavy losing streak at the start though, but that was expected.

LOVE THIS!

[Hotrod]

Awesome Boon!

[XxFutureLegend112xX]

gj thnx

[Adam Ryland]

I like the fact that all the worker pictures have been standardised, are you planning to do the same for the move pictures too?

Really enjoyed the matches I've had so far with this mod, good stuff. :)

Oh, just out of curiosity, in Brian Knobs' bio is mentions his awful finisher...but all of his finishers seem to be pretty good. What was it in reference to?

[mizzou24]

i dload it and now i cant even play wre spi 2 at all it keeps coming up with error can someone tell me what i did???

[D. Boon's Ghost]

i dload it and now i cant even play wre spi 2 at all it keeps coming up with error can someone tell me what i did???

Can you be more specific, mizzou? You downloaded it, pointed the install path into your GDS\Wrestling Spirit\Data directory, installed it, and... ? What errors pop up?

You'll get invalid data notifications on the 5 or 6 guys too young for the database (Benoit, Jericho, etc.), but that shouldn't prevent you from playing it.
I like the fact that all the worker pictures have been standardised, are you planning to do the same for the move pictures too?

Oh, just out of curiosity, in Brian Knobs' bio is mentions his awful finisher...but all of his finishers seem to be pretty good. What was it in reference to?

That should have been 'stupidest moves ever', heh; The Pit Stop.

On the graphics - thanks. Ryan Russell provided that profile background and I like it a lot. It also plays into my complete lack of detail cutting skills, as I can easily hack out a pic and slap it on the background. :)

I hadn't really thought of the move pics, but it's a darned good idea. Thanks, again! :)

[mizzou24]

it wont even go on the game...

[mizzou24]

i uninstalled it ... im gonna try reinstalling

[D. Boon's Ghost]

If you want to be on the safe side, install the D.O.T.T.exe to your Desktop - or somewhere you can easily retrieve it. You can then cut the D.O.T.T. folder and paste it directly where it belongs - in the C:\Program Files\GDS\Wrestling Spirit 2\Data ... or wherever you install WreSpi 2.

[Bad Luck Brett]

Thanks, D Boon, I downloaded DOTT and upgraded to WreSpi2 last night.

Not only does Kayfabe sell, it also ruins my social life.

[Sartagis]

Lets see who can stop Leo Burke now!!!!!!

Good work guys, another quality release.

[Adam Ryland]

Boon, there's a small issue with regards to top rope finishers.

I happened to play as Savage and Bobby Eaton during my first two matches, and realised that it's virtually impossible to perform the Savage Elbow or Alabama Jam. The reason is that neither has a decent set-up; as neither can "get to the top rope in one jump", the only way they can keep someone down and stunned long enough to have the move available is to perform a Finisher level move, and all of the available ones are either instant DQs or extremely hard to perform in their own right.

There's two solutions. Either they need to have "Can get to top rope in one leap" checked (as this would allow them to use High level moves to set up the move - not really applicable to Eaton, but maybe for Savage) or they need a specialist set up move (for an example, Angry Gilmore in the Cornellverse has the Sky High Set Up, a move whose sole purpose is to set up a top rope elbow). In Savage's case, I think a "Savage Body Slam" would be the obvious one, as he did tend to use that as a set up in reality. It would just need to be a clone of a regular body slam, except with "Leaves Attacker" set to top rope.

[TEWFan]

I want to ask permission for one thing and offer help in another:


First, does it bother you if I use your move file in some scenario in the future? I was thinking of converting either, the 1993 or 1995 TEW scenarios for WresSpi2, but I am too lazy to do all the moves. I promise to give credit where credit is due and all.


Second, if you plan a V 2.0, let me help with WWC. I am from Puerto Rico and have a good idea of which workers worked here by the time, with trademark moves, dispositions and all. I seemed to notice several minor errors on some of the workers, mainly TNT(Savio Vega/Juan Rivera) lacking all his trademark moves, Huracan Castillo Jr's picture being wrong(the one in the pic is actually his father), Invader #2's disposition being wrong(he was a face then) and some other stuff. It is minor, but I can help with that if you want. I can also track down more workers for WWC in that era since some names are missing.

[pat666]

Thank you For this great mod!!! seriously I was like Meh, Old Wrestlers.... but I've started to play it in Carrer mode and it's so amazing... I beated Tarzan Tyler... one of a legend in Quebec lol! In my second match of my career(playing rookie to legend)...

Thank you again.

[oldskool]

Just like real life, Hogan's nigh-unbeatable. Sullivan hit him with about 6 finishing moves and couldn't get the pin. Rhodes wore out his bionic elbow and couldn't get the pin.

Something's weird with The Big Legdrop, though; if you miss, it immediately goes into a pinning predicament (Hogan's the one being pinned) with a 54% success rate. I've never been pinned in this way, but it's sort of odd that EVERY time the leg misses, it's an immediate pinfall attempt.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... Something's weird with The Big Legdrop, though; if you miss, it immediately goes into a pinning predicament (Hogan's the one being pinned) with a 54% success rate. I've never been pinned in this way, but it's sort of odd that EVERY time the leg misses, it's an immediate pinfall attempt.

That's the game in general: If the opponent moves from a 'botched' finisher, the AI will dive right in for the pinfall attempt.

And you're right on Hogan; he's a freaking monster. I started a Nick Bockwinkel career last night and am immediately programmed against the Orange Goblin. I had to punch out the ref in my last two title defenses just to save my AWA Heavyweight belt! :)

... First, does it bother you if I use your move file in some scenario in the future?

Kind of, heh. It would be nice if you waited longer than the two days its been released to ask. I appreciate your digging it enough to want to use it, but I'd like to have D.O.T.T. swim around on its own for a spell before allowing the data to migrate to other scenario sets.

I hope you understand. I'm sure I will be more receptive to the request in the future; 'ask again later'.

Plus, I'm too old for the 'All for one' mentality around here. ;) People are generally too flaky and fickle to read something as mundane as scenario credits or Read Me files.

Heh... though I would appreciate any info on WWC that you can offer. Being a gringo, I'm pretty square on that scene. :)

[Mattyc]

Thanks again for another great version of DOTT.

I am pretty awful at Wrestling Spirit 2 so far, I can hardly win anything, but with this mod I did win for the first time in a great hardcore match between Jerry Lawler and Dutch Mantell, and I finished Mantell off in style with a fireball.

Thanks once again.

[barbarossa]

ok, perhaaps i´m just blind, but where are the files?
Is it below the old wrespi-sign?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks, Mattyc.

As per Adam's suggestion (thanks, Adam; I remember this from the testing stage, yet forgot along the way - heh), I have went through all of the high fliers in the game and gave the majority of them the 'Can get to Top Rope in One Leap' attribute. On top of that, I created a 'Savage Bodyslam' move and assigned it to a bunch of A.I. move sets to help them get to the top rope quicker; those too big for the attribute mentioned above.

It should help out with A.I. top rope moves.

Also, I recut all of the move pictures so that they are on a uniform background. Here's an example of the move pack, for those that might want to use it: Green Mist! (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/Green Mist 2.jpg)

For those that have previously downloaded the data, here (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_1.15.exe) is a smaller .exe file with all of the new move pictures and data. I suggest installing this to your desktop (or whatever) and then cutting & pasting the stuff where it belongs.

For those that have not downloaded this yet, the D.O.T.T.exe on my server has been updated.


Sorry about the hassle, but it's worth the quick update to get that fixed.

ok, perhaaps i´m just blind, but where are the files?
Is it below the old wrespi-sign?

Yeah. I'm waiting to see if Adam & GDS post a new WreSpi2 logo. Until then, I am using last years.

[davidEFC]

It tooke me a few minutes before to work out where it was in file section of that site. Anyway DOTT rules I have always enjoyed playing it on TEW2005.
So thanks for making it on WS2.

[Adam Ryland]

Yeah. I'm waiting to see if Adam & GDS post a new WreSpi2 logo. Until then, I am using last years.

There's no logo, but the box art is here (https://www.elicense.com/greydogsoftware/store/index.asp).

[Moderndaywarrior]

Boon,If I can make one suggestion:

Change the cheating level of "Over the Top Rope Toss",i think it would be more consistent with the time period if that drew a DQ right off the bat (assuming the ref sees it).

Otherwise the CPU has a tendency to hit you with it every single match (sometimes 2 or 3 times in a match).

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Good idea, Warrior. Will do.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

For those interested: I recolored the match screens to better mesh with the blue scheme of the new move pictures and existing profile pics.

Here are some test screen shots to give you an idea:
Test Screen #1 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/ScreenTest1.jpg)
Test Screen #2 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/ScreenTest2.jpg)
Test Screen #3 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/ScreenTest3.jpg)

If interested, Here (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/Screens.zip) is the .zip file. Just throw them in to your GDS\WreSpi 2\Screens directory, overwriting the old ones.

On the event you want to revert back, within the .zip I have renamed the old screens so that you can plug them back in. All you will have to do is rename the m_managerOLD to m_manager.

[Jaded]

Just FINALLY got a 'That Was Awesome' chant playing with Robbie Brookside. losing to the Great Malumba in 21 minutes after working his arm all match! Now all I need to do is actually win a singles match with him...

[Moderndaywarrior]

In the same vein,my 16 year old Tecnichian rookie just carried Blade Runner Rock to an A* match,to say I was excited was an understatement. :)

[Jaded]

Some joker just gave me a Southwest Junior Heavyweight title shot in a First Blood match against Hector Guerrero... and against all the odds, I won, finishing him with a loaded boot kick to the head! My first A* with Brookside as well - things are looking up!

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I'm not sure what is funnier -- Brookside in Texas, or his using a freaking loaded boot to cheat his way to victory!

I suspect Kendo Nagasaki's hypnotism has sent Robbie on a mission of insanity. :D

[Moderndaywarrior]

Actually,in my 3rd match ever,Bill Watts puts me against Lord Humongous for the Lousiana State Title,I managed to down him with the Sit Ou Underhook Face Buster for the win,B rated match.....Terry Allen is now probably upset with me for stealing his mega push.

[Woodsmeister]

my proudest moment to date on DOTT is defeating King Kong Bundy with my Rookie to Legend character (me). I am only an E in mid south and worked his legs as much as i could and made him tap to my Scissored Ankle Lock. got a C-

i know he wasnt the monster he became but it was an achievement for me saying i only won 15 and lost 19.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Hah! I just finished a fabulous match between Adrian Street (my character) & Cowboy Ron Bass vs. Superstar Graham & Bobby Duncum. We spent the majority of it working over both Graham & Duncum's leg, knocking both down into the red (which wasnt hard to do, I admit, considering their shape).
Anyway, Graham totally hulked out and went on a pounding spree. I mean, he started destroying us; even clamping on his Swinging Full Nelson at one point, which Bass miraculously escaped from (on his own, no less!). I guess Superstar Billy got really irked at having to limp around so much, heh; he ended up throwing Street over the top rope - getting his team DQ'ed! :)

A complete blast.

[Jeff Cartwright]

I've had a bunch of fun matches in my career with Bret Hart.

I was booked in a match with The Spoiler in AGPW. The Spoiler is far more over than Bret Hart in the Maritimes so I struggled. About 8 minutes into the match, I gave him in Irish Whip and knocked the referee down. I immediately left the ring and grabbed a chair. I then beat the hell out of The Spoiler hitting about 5 moves in a row using the chair, finishing it off with a Piledriver. After the Piledriver, The Spoiler picked me up and gave me a chair shot to the head just as the referee recovered. The Spoiler was DQ'd, I won the match, and I gained some decent popularity. Eddie Guerrero taught me well.

I've also had some fun tags with Owen and Keith Hart againt The Karachi Vice Kingpins. One match that featured me and Owen againt the Kingpins lasted 46 minutes and was an "A" rated match.

[TEWFan]

I have had so much fun with this mod!

I decided to play an exhibition match with Hulk Hogan to see how he played...I mean, in all leagues I play his results suck, so I tought it had to be something about him that made him suck so much. I started pushing down randomly to select my opponent(with my eyes closed) and the winner was Jos LeDuc. Fun little match, I mean, the guy basically squashed me. I decide to counter a punch with the finger waggle-thingy. It works! Then I manage to whip him, big boot, legdrop, win! That is so like Hulk!


Then I played the European League with Andre. Won with only one loss, against Adrian Street when I "accidentaly" choke him far too much.

Played superstar mode with Canek. They never booked me in Japan, so I decided to stick to Mexico. Lost all but one match before I gave up, but my win was memorable since I pinned Hijo del Santo. He dominated me, but then I made a huge comeback and hit the Canek Press for the win.

[wooodaddy]

I have really had a lot of fun with the DOTT mod. I am doing the rookie to legend career and created a mammoth brawler by the name of Big Daddy Delicious. I am currently signed with the CWA and MAW. I have a tag team with Rick Rude called "Simply Delicious". I am the current holder of the Mid- Heavyweight title and have a record of 24 wins and 5 loses. I just signed with the PPW and I am a main-eventer. I have a current feud with Rocky Johnson.... I am one big mean dude....:D

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I am starting to get jealous, heh... 24-5, woodaddy?? Egads. I'm playing as Lord Humongous and having a miserable time sticking at even close to .500. After two months, I am now at 7-12, or something pitiful. :)

My strategy of sticking to Mid South is backfiring, as I've got Terry-freaking-Taylor as a roadblock. Every time Bill Watts throws me a Rick Steiner or Tim Horner to destroy and gain some career momentum, it's Terry Taylor who beats Humongous back down into depression.
'I don't like my recent losing streak.' Oh no? Well go out there and beat the @%!#&, you hockey mask wearing wimp!!

And even when losing, it's still fun. Heh.

[wooodaddy]

Oh, it's great, since that post I have went to 31 - 9. I have a decent strategy going into the matches, but sometimes they backfire.. I have lost 3 matches in a row and dropped some major popularity, but i have the guy beat and miss my finisher and then they get me in a roll up pin and win... I can't figure that one out... :D Yeah, Terry and Steiner are my thorn too. Rick beat me for MY !!!! Louisiana Title by God... I will get it back if it the last thing I do. I did get the chance to start and win a feud with Magnum T.A and got his TV title... so, all is well.... Keep your head up Lord Humongous... Your time will come... I will have your back....:D

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Does anyone have an opinion on whether or not I should keep the promotion pacts as they are? While the web of pacts worked well in TEW: DOTT, I'm not so sure about WreSpi.

On one hand, it puts the reigns on the AI hiring to conform to the 'gentlemen's agreements' back then. On the other hand, it limits who the player can contact for a job.

On a lark, I started a game as Kerry Von Erich and found that I could not contact any of the bigger U.S. promotions, save the AWA, due to non-aggression pacts with World Class (my home promotion).

Should I perhaps have all of the NWA promotions under working agreements and not worry about AI hirings? Detailing the era doesn't really matter if someone finds it a drag that they can not apply to work for whomever without quitting their initial gig.

Thanks for any input.

[TEWFan]

I say eliminate them. I dont like having those type of restrictions. I played some as Arn Anderson and wanted to go to Mid Atlantic and see if I could for a tag team with Flair, but I could not do to the agreements. That really pissed me off and wanted me to switch characters.

[potty]

I just want to give my thanks to you D.Boon for putting in all the time for this fantastic addition to a fantastic game. It kept me playing the original WreSpi long after I normally bore of games, & I'm looking forward to the same experience from the WreSpi 2 edition.

Thanks again!

[Moderndaywarrior]

Should I perhaps have all of the NWA promotions under working agreements and not worry about AI hirings? Detailing the era doesn't really matter if someone finds it a drag that they can not apply to work for whomever without quitting their initial gig.



I would think that all the promotions under the NWA umbrella would have working agreements with each other,and non agression pacts with the non-NWA promotions.Remember that the NWA umbrella also includes AJPW.

I believe the AWA should have a working areement with CWA and SWCW.

SWCW had a working agreement with MSW.They also had working agreements with HCW and GCW,though I am not sure if those are in place in '83.

CWA is also kind of a unique case as they had a working agreement with SWCW;I think they also had some kind of deal going with MSW where they would trade talent,but I am not 100% sure it was a true working agreement.Speaking of the CWA,should they be located in the South East or Mid South region?They're kind of right near the borderline of the two areas,but they did the the arena "The Mid-South Coliseum".

PNW definitely had an arrangement of some sort going with Tomko's ASW.

[Vladamire Dracos]

PNW was also a long time member of the NWA under Don Coss, and I'm pretty sure they had some sort of working agreement with the AWA (just look at the talent that traveled between the two). Remember, most of the larger promotions looked at PNW as a testing ground of sorts, letting their younger talent get time in front of live cameras before they hit the bigs.

Oh, I can't recall which month your data starts in, but I found a list of card results for PNW from Jan. to June in '83 and I would be happy to pass them on if you'd like. :)

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks guys, your insights are very helpful. Many of the promotional pacts mentioned are already in (Pacific Northwest working with AWA, WWF, Tomko's All Star, etc.), but I've tightened the entire NWA umbrella so that more promotions are working with each other.

* Because so many names came from the area, PNW is now working with a bunch of promotions; Florida, MACW, GCW, WCCW, etc.

* Mid Atlantic, Georgia, CStates, Florida, and to a lesser extent World Class are now entirely tied together with working relationships (which will help TEWFan's problem of Arn not being able to go to MACW).
As the Moderndaywarrior mentioned - considering they all operated under the NWA banner, an 'NWA' worker should be able to travel to just about every NWA territory freely.

* Southwest's pacts are tightened up. I went ahead and gave them working relationships with Mid South and GCW (they already had Houston, CWA, & AWA). I know that the relationship between Joe Blanchard & Georgia was very short lived, but I felt like it made sense.
To go along with that, Boesch in Houston had already dumped his partnership with World Class & Southwest at this point - focusing entirely on their agreement with Watts' Mid South - but in the spirit of things, I felt they should be in place. Plus, Gino Hernandez needs a pipeline straight into wherever Boesch works. :)

* The War Relationships: WWF is now at war with MACW, AWA, CState, & GCW. This goes with the existing; SWCW is at war with WCCW... AJPW & NJPW ... EMLL & UWA ... and Joint & All Star U.K.

Oh, I can't recall which month your data starts in, but I found a list of card results for PNW from Jan. to June in '83 and I would be happy to pass them on if you'd like.
Thanks, Vlad. Nice to see you, btw. You've always provided great info and support for this project; very much appreciated.

I have been using Clawmaster's Results Archives from Old School-Wrestling.com (http://www.oldschool-wrestling.com/). I imagine it is pretty complete, but any results around May of '83 you'd wish to pass along would be very helpful.

Again, thanks guys! I'll work on testing this stuff today. If it looks good, I'll release the update soon.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Speaking of - heh.

Not sure if you've seen this, or even interested - but You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bN6ZYRrQSA) has a great Portland battle royale from 1977 up. It has some great names from back then: Moondog Mayne, Buddy Rose, Ed Wiskowski, and a young Gino Hernandez.

Plus, on that page check out the link to the Buddy Rose & Mega Maharishi (Ed Wiskowski) interview! Holy cow... it's super.

[Bigdummie]

O.K. Mr. D.Boon, here is some names from the past ( Michigan )My personal favorite Leaping Larry Chane (sometimes spelled Shain) George "Crybaby" Cannon, Brute Bernard, the man of a 1,000 holds Lou Klein, Bull Curry, "Gentleman" Jim Hady, Ricky Cortez, The Sicilian Beast, Percy Pringle. I grew up with these guys alon with of course The Shiek, Bobo Brazil, and many others. Thanks again for all the enjoyment of D.O.T.T.

[Vladamire Dracos]

Speaking of - heh.

Not sure if you've seen this, or even interested - but You Tube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bN6ZYRrQSA) has a great Portland battle royale from 1977 up. It has some great names from back then: Moondog Mayne, Buddy Rose, Ed Wiskowski, and a young Gino Hernandez.

Plus, on that page check out the link to the Buddy Rose & Mega Maharishi (Ed Wiskowski) interview! Holy cow... it's super.

Yep, I know who posted them. ;) Those bits were actually taped by "Playboy" Buddy Rose on one of the first home tape recorders on the market, predating Beta/VHS. The system itself weighed in at over 50 pounds. When Beta/VHS became the popular formats, Rose eventually put the tapes in his garage.

Check out the flying headbutt by Ed near the end of the clip. Then remember this is circa 1977 and realize how uncommon that must have been back then. :)

You can also see some Caden mathews (a student of buddy Rose and Ed Wiskowski) stuff linked there.

[Moderndaywarrior]

Didn't Crybaby Cannon manage The Fabulous Kangaroos for a while?Also,are there any plans to add the Detroit promotion to D.O.T.T. in the future?I know in '83 they were still airing on TV as Big Time Wrestling,a few years later the program morphed into a goofy wrestling/country music combo show called Big Time Country.

On a side note:In Ernie Roth's bio you forgot to note he also worked as J.Wellington Radcliff.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Didn't Crybaby Cannon manage The Fabulous Kangaroos for a while?Also,are there any plans to add the Detroit promotion to D.O.T.T. in the future?I know in '83 they were still airing on TV as Big Time Wrestling,a few years later the program morphed into a goofy wrestling/country music combo show called Big Time Country.

On a side note:In Ernie Roth's bio you forgot to note he also worked as J.Wellington Radcliff.

Not sure on Cannon, but that sounds right. Was that the Don Kent & Bob Della Serra version of the 'Roos, or was that still Costello & Kent? I always get the Kangaroos timeline messed up.
Regardless, Crybaby Cannon is in the game as a manager/backstage guy. Starts off working for the Montreal promotion.

Detroit is in as a Future Promotion homage, actually. I was on the bubble as to whether or not to include them and Bruiser's WWA as active promotions, but felt that it didn't do much for gameplay purposes; too many small promotions in a game that allows Regional promotions to hire rookies equals excess clutter.
I decided to go with a Toronto mish-mash, instead - heh. I moved the Sheik and some workers at the end of the Detroit promotion to Maple Leaf.

Living in Northeast Ohio, I could sometimes get the Sheik's promotion in - but it was spotty. I sure wish I could have seen Big Time Country, though. I can picture the hilarity of the Sheik fireballing Tonya Tucker. :)

And the Roth as Radclife bit didn't fit the bio space, heh. It was more important to me to mention just how darned great he was. ;)

[Moderndaywarrior]

Not sure on Cannon, but that sounds right. Was that the Don Kent & Bob Della Serra version of the 'Roos, or was that still Costello & Kent? I always get the Kangaroos timeline messed up.
Regardless, Crybaby Cannon is in the game as a manager/backstage guy. Starts off working for the Montreal promotion.

Detroit is in as a Future Promotion homage, actually. I was on the bubble as to whether or not to include them and Bruiser's WWA as active promotions, but felt that it didn't do much for gameplay purposes; too many small promotions in a game that allows Regional promotions to hire rookies equals excess clutter.
I decided to go with a Toronto mish-mash, instead - heh. I moved the Sheik and some workers at the end of the Detroit promotion to Maple Leaf.

Living in Northeast Ohio, I could sometimes get the Sheik's promotion in - but it was spotty. I sure wish I could have seen Big Time Country, though. I can picture the hilarity of the Sheik fireballing Tonya Tucker. :)

And the Roth as Radclife bit didn't fit the bio space, heh. It was more important to me to mention just how darned great he was. ;)

Heh,Big Time Country was pretty much The Shiek's stab at the Rock n. Wrestling/MTV thing,only with Country Music and Detroit wrestling....Sabu did some of his first matches on that program.

Oh,It was Costello and Kent....I was positive I remembered seeing Cannon managing the 'Roos on old footage,though I admit I did have to go look up which version it was. That does remind me though,back in their heyday,The Fabulous Kangaroos had a poster with a bunch of wrestling holds listed on it,the middle part said "Know Your Holds" or something like that,it is now a sought after collector's item.

I remember seeing the occasional bit of Big Time Wrestling growing up...since back then wrestling used to draw such high TV numbers,the local public access type channel used to buy wrestling programs from various places around the country and show them at oddball times....one of the best memories of my childhood is tracking down the obscure times they put them on,sneaking down to the TV room if I had to so I could watch...since we live right by Agricultural Hall (When i go there my friend and I still stand in the spot where Piper beaned Snuka with a coconut),we only had WWF programming....the styles of Detroit,PNW,WWC,etc. were so radically different it was like a whole new exciting and unexplored world for me.

Remember back when TBS used to show 10 hours of wrestling from all the major promotions every Saturday Night? Man,do I miss that....

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thats what happens when you live in a small market, heh. From the mid 70s until about '82, Cleveland had basically nothing as far as wrestling programming. Once the Johnny Powers-led promotion shut down and Sheik stopped coming into Ohio, we were considered a vast wasteland. :) Not even WWF programming could stick here, I guess - as no local networks would broadcast it.

As Ole Anderson mentioned in one of his interviews, everyone just assumed that Farhat had burnt this territory to the ground. For a long time, my friends and I were fans through the Weston mags of the day exclusively. It wasn't until cable started taking hold in '82-ish that we got in Georgia Championship on TBS.

That was the one and only promotion that bothered to promote shows up here until McMahon started his expansion.

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Anyway...

The testing on the new promotion pact system is going well. I'm starting to see a lot more roster movement. More importantly, I've yet to have a career thwarted by a pact.

Also, after watching the Steamboat v. Savage match from WM III for the first time last night (yeah... I'm ashamed, heh), I added a couple of moves; Deep Arm Drag, Falling Double Axe Handle, Punch to Arm, etc., and tweaked a few move sets.

[Jaded]

This gets more awesome every time I play it... currently playing my rookie, Jaime Roberts, in ASW and SWCW, got a fluke win of the ASW TV title in my debut there (2 minutes and 50 seconds!!), lost it in my second defense and have been trying to regain it from Randy Rich ever since!

[.SVA]

Oh joy, oh happiness. A great scenaroi and I just got WreSpi 2 ten minutes ago. This is great! I'm certainly gonna enjoy myself, playing this scenario. I might even make a Dynasty! Oh, im so thrilled! :D

[Jaded]

Exhibition match, FINALLY managed to beat Flair playing with Robbie Brookside, nailing him with a beautiful Angel Press at the 25 minute mark! And somehow pressed C too fast to see the match rating :mad:

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Heh! As a fan of Brookside, you might appreciate a couple of move additions for the next update. :)

As a matter of record, in the very first post in this thread, I will document the upcoming additions in whatever update that is on the horizon. And speaking of, it's looking darned good.

I've finally witnessed two things this weekend that I have yet to see in career testing; Bob Backlund loses the WWF Heavyweight title to Masked Superstar (which he should have historically, heh) - and... after three years and four different versions of DOTT, Hulk Hogan has finally beaten Nick Bockwinkel for the AWA World Heayweight strap.

I had just about given up hope that Hogan would ever get that title there - heh. It might be silly, but the reason I selected 1983 as the starting date in these scenarios has always specifically been for the Bockwinkel v. Hogan feud. After all this time, I'm pretty stunned that the AI managed to pull Hogan's big win off. :)

[Jaded]

Can't wait for the update :)

Once I've got through the tournament, think I'll try another diary with Robbie - this time, world domination WILL happen!! Although I'm sure it's easier with a bigger guy... anyone wanna see Shirley Crabtree as WWF Champion?!

[damiende]

Nice mod but you gotta keeep em finishers right.

Terry Funk should have the spinning toehold as his finisher.
Kevin Sullivan I think used a crossface chickenwing as his finisher in those days.
Buddy Rose used a ddt variation called the Las Vegas something.
Big John Studd used a Backbreaker or the Heartpunch.
Barry Windham used the Superplex or a Bulldog
Afa and Sika used the Samoan Drop as their finisher.

These are just a few that I have seen is missing.

Damiende

http://www.rmtexposed.com/cpg1.4.5/cpg145

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Just because a move isn't specifically made for a wrestler does not mean it isn't there, Damiende. Had you looked at the worker move sets, you'd see that the only one actually missing from your list is Rose's DDT.

We went over this during the shelf-life of the first Wrestling Spirit: D.O.T.T., though finisher madness may have clouded your recollections. ;)

[damiende]

Finisher madness nah I just want them to be correct.
Like George Steele's Flying Hammerlock.


Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... Like George Steele's Flying Hammerlock.

Again... had you looked, you would see that move is already in as the 'Animal Elevated Hammerlock'. If it is the semantics that bother you, there's not much I can say.

[damiende]

I have played George the animal Steele several times. So I knew about your "Name change" And I renamed it to Flying Hammerlock. That's because that is name I have seen for that move.

The reason for this is that I believe that if a finisher or a trademark move had a certain name it went under it should be named like those names.

One that comes to mind is Iceman king Parsons butt bump. I dont know if you have named his finisher butt butt. But I did see the flying hip attack listed.

Daniel

[damiende]

And one thing i came across is that the slingshot into turnbuckle move can be countered by going behind. That can't be right.


Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

According to whom?

It is a move I borrowed from Adam's data for the first Wrestling Spirit. I happen to agree with his counter set-ups for that particular move.
Considering he left it for WreSpi 2, he must have as well. ;)


Re: "Name Changes":

When I watched Steele, they called it the elevated hammerlock. Regardless, I'm really not going to argue with you over the data, Damiende. I know you; it's a waste of time.

I'm not a smark. I don't wish to be a prowres historian. And unlike others, I no longer pretend this (or any) scenario is anything more than what it really is: a silly little hobby for silly little hobbyists such as myself.
I'm simply someone who has tried to maintain the nostalgia I feel for the era I grew up in, despite having to come into contact with over-analytical, one rung below soap opera fanatic wrestling fans during the course of its research.
And here's where I'm supposed to say... 'And that's a shoot, bro!'.

I share this with others in the hopes I can help them do the same, as well as helping Adam and GDS sell at least one more copy of Adam's work. That's it.

If you disagree with what I called a move or the stats for it, so be it. That's the beauty of the editor.
Hopefully it doesn't get too much in the way of your enjoying the data.

[damiende]

"According to whom?

It is a move I borrowed from Adam's data for the first Wrestling Spirit. I happen to agree with his counter set-ups for that particular move.
Considering he left it for WreSpi 2, he must have as well."

According to I think anyone that thinks about it.
Here you have a move that has one player wrestler lying on his back. It's kinda like Randy Savages flying elbow drop being countered with a go behind.


Daniel

[TEWFan]

I happen to agree with DBoon in every word. If you dont like something, change it yourself, is not that hard. You see, I am in the process of making my own scenario and it is because of people like you, who are overly critical and want to make minor mistakes into huge ones, that somestimes I feel this is not a good idea. DOTT is one of the greatest scenarios I have ever played for the huge amount of wrestlers and moves, no easy task, and for the great graphical presentation and realism.

I, first hand, know how hard and sometimes boring, sometimes frustrating, and always tedious, making a scenario is. I know how hard it is to spend hours doing research on wrestlers to see which moves go where and what the hell is "gimmnick name finisher #1".

So if the move is there and the only mistake you can find is it's name, be thankful that you have a scenario to play with and change it. That is why every game comes with an editor...it is not like DBoon is the only one with one.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks, TEWFan; much appreciated.

One of our fellow posters Trashbear brought up a great point in the main WreSpi 2 forum today. Does anyone think that for gameplay purposes, the bigger promotions in DOTT (WWF, MACW, NJPW, Joint, EMLL, etc.) should be set to National?

My original opinion was that Cult feds better represented the time period (and they do). The thing is, though, climbing up the career ladder with Cult feds as the top rung probably doesn't have the satisfaction or challenge of getting to the top, as it would with National feds.

I'm thinking that for gameplay purposes (which is all that really matters; history be damned - heh) it would be more rewarding to bump up some of those Cult feds to National.

Any opinions?

Thanks.

[oldskool]

Bump a couple Cults to National only if you replace the Cults (so as not to lower the number of cult promotions).

And is it just me, or is Bill Eadie one of the greatest workers never to hold a world title (in this scenario, anyway)? Every RTL game I play in this scenario, Masked Superstar becomes WWF Champion. He just lost it to Andre, though, so I was happy that the big man got a title run as well as seeing Eadie finally drop the gold.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Backlund is doomed in the WWF. He is not nearly as charismatic to hold on to that strap for longer than he does. Masked Superstar winning it is basically my angling for that to happen.

For one, I always felt it should have been Eadie to beat Backlund for that transitional run (Bob vetoed the idea, in favor of Iron Sheik). For another, Eadie and Slaughter are the two heel Main Eventers on that roster to start off (though Muraco always slides in there after awhile). I guess the AI figures that Masked Superstar is the best bet as a transitional champ - which opens the door for the face Andre (though it always surprises me that Snuka doesnt get into the mix -- must be his behind the scenes problems).

I have to admit that it is weird that Backlund handily dispatches Slaughter to open the game, yet always stumbles v. Eadie.

[damiende]

I happen to agree with DBoon in every word. If you dont like something, change it yourself, is not that hard. You see, I am in the process of making my own scenario and it is because of people like you, who are overly critical and want to make minor mistakes into huge ones, that somestimes I feel this is not a good idea. DOTT is one of the greatest scenarios I have ever played for the huge amount of wrestlers and moves, no easy task, and for the great graphical presentation and realism.

I, first hand, know how hard and sometimes boring, sometimes frustrating, and always tedious, making a scenario is. I know how hard it is to spend hours doing research on wrestlers to see which moves go where and what the hell is "gimmnick name finisher #1".

So if the move is there and the only mistake you can find is it's name, be thankful that you have a scenario to play with and change it. That is why every game comes with an editor...it is not like DBoon is the only one with one.

Where have I said that he must change stuff. You are contradicting yourself. You are saying that graphical presentation and realism is great. But then you say dont dare telling us something might be wrong. Because that is an insult to our work.

I have made a list of ca 30 wrestlers from that era that I was about to post. But screw it since someone actually might look at it as a demand from my side. I can always add them myself. The same with some other trademark moves and regular moves.


Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

The thing is, Daniel - you've given me absolutely nothing to work with. You've complained about missing moves that are actually there, moves that in your opinion are named wrong, and moves that in your opinion are set up incorrectly.

If you want to list out moves that are not already in, go right ahead. I'll be happy to look them over. If you want to take your ball and go home, that's fine too.

But if it is the renaming of moves you are after - or 'Barry Windham's Bulldog' clones of the same Bulldog finishers he already has in his move set, it's not going to happen on my end.
After doing ten trademarked versions of the Iron Claw, 3 Heart Punches, and five Figure Four Leglocks, I realized how stupid it was. As it is, there is an absurd amount of moves to pick from.

[oldskool]

Backlund is doomed in the WWF. He is not nearly as charismatic to hold on to that strap for longer than he does. Masked Superstar winning it is basically my angling for that to happen.

For one, I always felt it should have been Eadie to beat Backlund for that transitional run (Bob vetoed the idea, in favor of Iron Sheik). For another, Eadie and Slaughter are the two heel Main Eventers on that roster to start off (though Muraco always slides in there after awhile). I guess the AI figures that Masked Superstar is the best bet as a transitional champ - which opens the door for the face Andre (though it always surprises me that Snuka doesnt get into the mix -- must be his behind the scenes problems).

I have to admit that it is weird that Backlund handily dispatches Slaughter to open the game, yet always stumbles v. Eadie.
He didn't dispatch Slaughter in my most recent incantation; he dropped the belt to Slaughter, who lost it to Pedro Morales, who then lost to Eadie, who just lost it to Andre. Can't imagine Andre would hold it for long, given his terrible physical condition...

EDIT: Just a quick request: Is there a way you can end the Non-Aggression pacts between the NWA affiliates? It's really frustrating because almost all of the Cult feds are in the NWA, and so are a good number of the regional feds, so if you get in one of them, you can't join any of the others because of the NWA non-aggression pact (right now I'm in Mid-South and World Class because they have a working agreement, as well as CWA because they aren't in the NWA, but all my other options (WWC, PNW, MLW, MACW, IWA, GCW, CWF, and CSTATE) won't even give me a chance because they won't "compete" with the NWA)

[damiende]

The thing is, Daniel - you've given me absolutely nothing to work with. You've complained about missing moves that are actually there, moves that in your opinion are named wrong, and moves that in your opinion are set up incorrectly.

If you want to list out moves that are not already in, go right ahead. I'll be happy to look them over. If you want to take your ball and go home, that's fine too.

But if it is the renaming of moves you are after - or 'Barry Windham's Bulldog' clones of the same Bulldog finishers he already has in his move set, it's not going to happen on my end.
After doing ten trademarked versions of the Iron Claw, 3 Heart Punches, and five Figure Four Leglocks, I realized how stupid it was. As it is, there is an absurd amount of moves to pick from.


I have a list of workers from Britain Mexico and the Us.
I have also made myself a list of feuds of that era.
Right now im pretending that my feud against Bob Sweetan is the battle of the piledrivers between him and Iron Mike Sharpe.
Some moves I didnt see mostly regular moves. But a few trademark ones also.
And some moves that have counters that is right out silly to be able to slip out the backdoor. You see I think that these small things are somewhat spoiling my experience. Not by much but a little bit none the less. And bear in mind that this goes for both the default databbase and the DOTT one.

I can live with some wrestlers having quadruple the amounts of moves then in real life. At least that was the case in the first game. But to much of those things in various aspects of the game is bad.

Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... Just a quick request: Is there a way you can end the Non-Aggression pacts between the NWA affiliates?

I reworked the promotional pact system for the next update so that all NWA members are either directly working together (working agreements), or have no pacts at all. I've removed all of the non-aggression pacts amongst them.

The first post in this thread has an update log that documents the upcoming changes. I'm currently finishing up testing on it and all is going well. The addition of Detroit Championship as an Active promotion is a lot of fun for me, as it is a pretty close replication of the promotion I remember most as a kid.

I can live with some wrestlers having quadruple the amounts of moves then in real life. At least that was the case in the first game. But to much of those things in various aspects of the game is bad.

I can see your point and feel it very valid.
The thing about that is... who do you create the move sets for: the AI, or the player who might select them? I went with the latter.

When I pick Andre, for example, it would irk the hell out of me having 10 moves to start, then having to go through and add a bunch to make it playable. It's always a slippery slope, but I sided with the player; i.e., me - heh.

[captainlou]

Thanks, TEWFan; much appreciated.

One of our fellow posters Trashbear brought up a great point in the main WreSpi 2 forum today. Does anyone think that for gameplay purposes, the bigger promotions in DOTT (WWF, MACW, NJPW, Joint, EMLL, etc.) should be set to National?

My original opinion was that Cult feds better represented the time period (and they do). The thing is, though, climbing up the career ladder with Cult feds as the top rung probably doesn't have the satisfaction or challenge of getting to the top, as it would with National feds.

I'm thinking that for gameplay purposes (which is all that really matters; history be damned - heh) it would be more rewarding to bump up some of those Cult feds to National.

Any opinions?

Thanks.

I think that at least the "big 3" (WWF, MACW, AWA) should be set to National. With WWF getting national exposure after getting the TV contract with the USA cable network, and with MACW being aired (probably) by WTBS, that it may seem logical to do it.

Also, I don't know if anyone else had mentioned it before, when/if you adjust the database also bump up the WWF heavyweight and tag team titles to World. Those titles became recognized as world titles after the WWF broke away from the NWA.

Also, is there a way for me to bring two moves from the DOTT WS1 database and put them into the DOTT WS2 database. The two moves in question are the side suplex and snake eyes. These two moves are done by "my buddy" in many matches. Thanks in advance.

BTW, you are doing your usual great job with this database. Thank you for providing it to us.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... is there a way for me to bring two moves from the DOTT WS1 database and put them into the DOTT WS2 database. The two moves in question are the side suplex and snake eyes. These two moves are done by "my buddy" in many matches. Thanks in advance.

I may be losing it (wouldn't surprise me - heh), but both moves are showing in the database on my end. It could be possible that the Deadman isn't capable of doing the moves due to skill requirements.

[captainlou]

I may be losing it (wouldn't surprise me - heh), but both moves are showing in the database on my end. It could be possible that the Deadman isn't capable of doing the moves due to skill requirements.

okay, thanks.

i'm going to have to increase my "training" to get the skills up.

I also saw that the Deadman couldn't do the inverted piledriver move either. I'll need to have to build up his power numbers as well.

Thanks for the quick response.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Hmmm... I seem to have made a mistake on the Undertaker move set, Cap; I forgot to throw in 'The Tombstone Piledriver' trademark move. You might not be able to add it in until his stats raise up to meet the requirements, but as it is a trademark, he might have it available. Sorry about that. It is fixed for the upcoming version update.

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I've been putting the backgrounds created for TEW: DOTT by Johnny Fenoli and Gpanic into this data set over the past few days, as well as new graphics. For those that might be interested, they will be included in the next version update.

Here are four samples:

Screen #1 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen1.jpg)
Screen #2 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen2.jpg)
Screen #3 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen3.jpg)
Screen #4 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen4.jpg)

[captainlou]

Hmmm... I seem to have made a mistake on the Undertaker move set, Cap; I forgot to throw in 'The Tombstone Piledriver' trademark move. You might not be able to add it in until his stats raise up to meet the requirements, but as it is a trademark, he might have it available. Sorry about that. It is fixed for the upcoming version update.

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I've been putting the backgrounds created for TEW: DOTT by Johnny Fenoli and Gpanic into this data set over the past few days, as well as new graphics. For those that might be interested, they will be included in the next version update.

Here are four samples:

Screen #1 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen1.jpg)
Screen #2 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen2.jpg)
Screen #3 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen3.jpg)
Screen #4 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen4.jpg)

You already have The Tombstone Piledriver listed as a trademark move, it's just he doesn't have the skill level right now to perform it.

There are two versions of the Tombstone Piledriver, the one in which he picks up the opponent and does the inverted piledriver, and with the other one he picks up and inverts the opponent then turns and piledrives him. So, the spinning inverted piledriver could be used until I build up the technical percentage in order to then be able to do the normal inverted piledriver. I also need to build the technical percentage in order to perform snake eyes.

Also, he was born in March of 1965, which makes him 18 at the time of the beginning of the DOTT database (both WS1 and WS2 versions). You have him in the WS2 DOTT database as being 21.

Also, I've never heard about the Brass Knuckles titles. When did they come about?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... he was born in March of 1965, which makes him 18 at the time of the beginning of the DOTT database (both WS1 and WS2 versions). You have him in the WS2 DOTT database as being 21.

Also, I've never heard about the Brass Knuckles titles. When did they come about?

Thanks for that info. It is corrected for the next update.

Brass Knuckles titles were rather popular from the 60s to the early 80s. Most of the Texan promotions had them at one time, as did Florida and various other southern promotions. While they died out at around this time, it's a homage to the time period.

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I've got all of the scenario backgrounds finished. I am in the process of recutting the worker profile pics to better fit them.

Here are a few more samples:

Title Screen (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen_3.jpg)
Move Profile (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen_1.jpg)
Promotion Roster (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen_2.jpg)
Locker Room (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Screen_4.jpg)

[panix04]

these look ace D.boon, i especially like the locker room screen, im incorporating a similar idea in my screen mod. IE playing card background for the friendship section ETC. Incidentally what program do you use for the screens? I have found the hardest part keeping the bar/buttons in the correct place.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks, panix. Considering I am horrid at graphics, they came out fairly well I thought.

I'm using Macromedia Fireworks, which I have as part of the StudioMX suite of programs (education discounts rule - heh). A lot of people swear by Photoshop (or Gimp - hah!!), but I find that Fireworks does a splendid job for what I use it for.

[IWWROCKS]

D.Boons Ghost...did you get my PM?

[panix04]

thats a co-incidence i use my company's copy of macromedieas flash for all my graphical work. Have you ever used that at all? If so is it similar to fireworks?

[TCP1]

Very nice graphics D Boon. Huge fan of the use of the claw pic. I love The Spoiler!

[D. Boon's Ghost]

thats a co-incidence i use my company's copy of macromedieas flash for all my graphical work. Have you ever used that at all? If so is it similar to fireworks?

Yeah. StudioMX has Fireworks, Flash, Dreamweaver, and Freehand. Each is integrated into the other nicely. The extent of my Flash work is the cheesy Brody thing and the installation movie at my site; strictly template affairs.

I'm not a fan of the latest incarnations though; I'm still using the MX 2004 versions.

Very nice graphics D Boon. Huge fan of the use of the claw pic. I love The Spoiler!

Thank you kindly. You can never go wrong with Jardine. Ever. :)

[bplotkin]

Any word on version 1.25?

[Chris2K]

I was a fool to ignore this for WreSpi1.

My career with Benoit is going well, just won my second SWCW Junior Heavyweight title against Hector Guerrero.

I also made friendships with Bret and Owen, gotta keep it realistic :D.

[Vladamire Dracos]

Nice mod but you gotta keeep em finishers right.

Terry Funk should have the spinning toehold as his finisher.
Kevin Sullivan I think used a crossface chickenwing as his finisher in those days.
Buddy Rose used a ddt variation called the Las Vegas something.
Big John Studd used a Backbreaker or the Heartpunch.
Barry Windham used the Superplex or a Bulldog
Afa and Sika used the Samoan Drop as their finisher.

These are just a few that I have seen is missing.

Damiende

http://www.rmtexposed.com/cpg1.4.5/cpg145

Hate to bring up an old argument, heh. Buddy Rose's version of the DDT was called the Los Vegas Jackpot.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

The Las Vegas Jackpot! Bah. Can't believe I forgot that. :) Thanks Vlad.

Any word on version 1.25?
I'm about a fourth of the way finished with the worker profile recuts (talk about a freaking drag, heh... all for a stupid border). As soon as I get a majority done I will bundle everything up and release v1.25.

And I'm glad you swung over to WreSpi2, Chris2K. I've yet to play with Dynamite Jr. If you see anything wrong with Benoit's move set, please let me know.

[DeleTe]

What's The difference between a Springboard Moonsault Splash and Springboard Moonsault Press?

[Socko]

I'm only guessing here .. but is the 'Press' performed when the opponent is standing, and the 'Splash' when he is grounded?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Socko's got it; Presses are on a standing opponent, though traditionally it is a chest to chest move. That is why you'll see the Gorilla and Angel Presses as splashes.

Crazy move namers. :)

[DeleTe]

Okey, then u gotta change the splash I think, as u can do that to a standing dude.

[Moderndaywarrior]

I was goofing around today and I noticed something is wrong with the moves "Flair Knife Edge Chop" and "Wahoo Knife Edge Chop";If you go into the move editor both moves are there but neither fellow has them in their moveset,and if you try to edit their moveset it is not available to them (or anyone else for that matter either).

The move editor has the requirements for both listed as 0% across the board.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

That is very strange. Both wrestlers have the moves in question in their move sets on my end. As a matter of fact, I was just in a tag team match with Wahoo and I was able to use his chops when controlling him.

[Moderndaywarrior]

Eh,I fixed it;wrote down all the info for the moves,deleted them,then re-made them,they show up like they are supposed to now. :)

[captainlou]

D.Boon,

here are a couple of names and who they became (some you may already have)

Richard Fliehr ---> Ric Flair
Maurice "Mad Dog" Vachon
Paul "Butcher" Vachon
Edward "Wahoo" McDaniel (BTW, he was part Choctaw and part Chickasaw)
Wayne Coleman ---> Superstar Billy Graham
Hossein Khosrow Vaziri ---> Iron Sheik
Bob Windham ---> Blackjack Mulligan
Richard Blood ---> Ricky Steamboat
Tim Woods (given name was George Burrell Woodin) ---> Mr. Wrestling
Johnny Walker ---> Mr. Wrestling II
Shohei "Giant" Baba
Mark Lewin ---> The Purple Haze
Michael Hickenbottom ---> Shawn Michaels
Paul Levesque ---> Hunter Hearst Helmsley (AKA Triple H)
Marty Lunde ---> Arn Anderson
Chris Irvine ---> Chris Jericho

I don't know if my friend still has the book, but the book contains the real names of the wrestlers.

[JWideman]

Just started playing the demo (had to change the date, now i'm enjoying an old fart game). I noticed that the non-American areas, like Japan, have American crowds. Is this by design?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Crud. Joint, Maple Leaf and New Japan shouldn't have had that check, though everyone else is by design. The lucha and Canadian crowds are always pretty rowdy and I wanted to represent the changing of the ways with All-Star U.K.'s more vocal crowds.

Those three promotions are corrected for the v1.25 update. Which, by the way, should be released pretty soon. Everything is done except for the final testing on the new data.

Thanks for that, JWideman.

[Jaded]

Looking forward to v1.25 - especially now it's the school holidays, no more teaching for 6 weeks means I'll get a chance to finish the tourney and then maybe get a dynasty going!

Trying to decide between

a) Robbie Brookside!!
b) RTL women's game, concentrating on the awesome GLOW (playing one at the moment with an Incredible rookie just to pass the time and it's amazing, but if I do a dynasty I'd make it Realistic.)
c) RTL game with hardcore rookie.

[damiende]

Any new wrestlers in the next update?

After a bit of playing it seems that some of the promotions could use a few more workers. It's a bit tiresome to defend the title against the same worker over and over again.


Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Any new wrestlers in the next update?

After a bit of playing it seems that some of the promotions could use a few more workers. It's a bit tiresome to defend the title against the same worker over and over again.


Daniel

:) Check out the main forums; it's not a complaint limited to data set.
For the most part, all DOTT promotions are stacked to the gills (as evidenced by the mass firings at the beginning). Adding more guys to those feds that do happen to be light probably will not help much.

Promotion sizes limit how many of each roster slot is open to the fed. If you are one of four Midcarders (two face/two heel) and are a mid-level champion, you are going to be limited to how many people are available to fight you for said title. It's just the way it is, alas.
I try to look at it as if the booking philosophy back then seeped into WreSpi. After all, they used to book the same match each night on a multi-stop tour (and probably still do). It helps. Heh.

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The only thing holding up the update is my indecision on/testing out U.S. promotion sizes.

If anyone can tell me in absolutes that promotions grow, I shall leave the set up as I currently have it. To be honest, I'm not quite sure. I've a save here that is a year in, and none of the promotions are moving either way. Every other test I am running (and have run) backs that up.

I've come to the conclusion that at least one U.S. National promotion is needed for gameplay purposes. While it works in TEW, if the biggest promotion(s) in Wrestling Spirit stays at Cult long-term, there is really no point to playing in that country after awhile. The big bucks will be in working New Japan, EMLL, or Joint -- and I do not like the idea.

As it stands, if you start off as a regional star like Gino Hernandez (who starts off head-lining two Small promotions), you can get hired to the two biggest U.S. promotions right off the bat. That stinks. I'd rather earn that position.
On top of that, Rookie-to-Legends can start off at Regionals now; Cult is only one step up the ladder. After that, you stagnate in the U.S.

Of course, that opens the doors to those more attuned to the era bitching about 'lack of realism'; "U.S. Nationals in 1983?? What are you... a hippie?!?".

Again, it's all about the gameplay.

If this last batch of tests I am running don't show any promotion changes, I am going to go ahead and start the scenario with at least the WWF as National. I may even set the date to April 1984 so that MACW can also be set as National as means of choice...
And to justify myself to those that download it and start their yapping. ;)

Either way, it will be soon. I've already got an '84 set pretty much done; it's just a matter of plugging it in and adjusting as I see fit.

[Adam Ryland]

Make sure you use the latest temporary patch Eric, i've increased the rate of promotion size changes so they should be more noticeable.

[JWideman]

Looking forward to v1.25 - especially now it's the school holidays, no more teaching for 6 weeks means I'll get a chance to finish the tourney and then maybe get a dynasty going!

Trying to decide between

a) Robbie Brookside!!
b) RTL women's game, concentrating on the awesome GLOW (playing one at the moment with an Incredible rookie just to pass the time and it's amazing, but if I do a dynasty I'd make it Realistic.)
c) RTL game with hardcore rookie.

Given that most of the GLOW girls are hardly joshi class wrestlers, you should have an easy time of it with realistic. Damn. That actually sounds like it could be fun. I'm going to do that. Maybe not a dynasty though.

Oops! Turns out that not only does GLOW fire a bunch of workers after the first show, they consider a rookie a main eventer. I've been getting my butt kicked by California Doll.
D. Boon's Ghost, can you take a look at GLOW and see if you can fix it so that they keep more girls?

[Jaded]

I have to say GLOW is the most fun I've had, fluked a win in my first match (someone, possibly Fuji, missed the women's splash and I got the cheap pin straight after) and catapulted myself into the upper midcard, then teamed with Matilda to beat the hell out of all the poor faces :)

Now turned babyface myself and feuding with Tilda, teaming with California Doll occassionally.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

For those interested...

I have bundled up the entirety of the New scenario Graphics (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/DOTT_Graphics.exe). Included are new background game Screens for career mode and matches, new game Graphics, and new worker profile pics, promotion logos, and belts to better fit the new screens. I also redid a few moves, so those are included as well.

To install, just extract the .exe somewhere, then place the files in their corresponding directories:

All files in the Screens folder go into your GDS\WreSpi2\Screens directory,
Graphics go into your GDS\WreSpi2\Graphics directory,


I have included the original screens and graphics, on the chance you decide to switch back. All of the old screens have a _2 or _OLD suffix; just rename them and you will have the originals.

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They ended up coming out pretty well, considering the operator. :)

Enjoy!

The data part of the update should be out soon enough. Thanks, Adam!

[Jaded]

Hey Boon,
Can't wait for the update :)

In my game, The Original Kendo Nagasaki's just hit the Kamikaze Crash and I notice it has 0% success rate - should it be able to finish a match, since it's his big move? Just thought I'd mention it.

BTW, am getting ready for some GLOW Dynasty goodness once the new version comes out :)

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Ouch... on my end Nagasaki's Kamikaze Crash is set to 24% Frequency/88% Success, Jaded. I might have corrected that earlier on in the process, but can not recall. Either way, it will be fixed on v1.25. :)

And I cant wait for the return of your GLOW diary! It was a great read.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I have posted the latest scenario update, for those interested (at least Jaded is! :) ).

v1.25 (http://cyclopsltd.net/images/D.O.T.T_v1.25.zip) (this is just the data... for those that have downloaded the latest graphics and whatnot)

Adam corrected the lack of promotion growth in the latest WreSpi2 patch, so I highly recommend snagging it. The multiple tests Socko and I ran have shown expected growth, so all should be good to go.


Here are the changes:

*Worker(s) Added: Villano V, Captain Ed George, Chuck Allen, Joyce Farhat

*Promotion(s) Added: Detroit Championship Wrestling (Small/Great Lakes/Sports Entertainment)

*Gameworld Tweaks: Promotional Pacts reworked -- Promotional A.I. sliders tweaked for several promotions -- EMLL raised to National level -- WCCW raised to Cult -- AWA, CWA (Memphis), Maple Leaf, WWF, MACW, CWF, and GCW starting rosters reworked -- Dick the Bruiser, The Crusher, Ray Stevens, & The Sheik made Active (heh) -- AAA (Mexico) and LLPW (Japan) added as Future Promotions -- Chigusa Nagayo's contract fixed -- Various Move tweaks -- Various Worker Tweaks -- Various Tag Team completions/additions -- Added Villano V into Mendosa family relationships -- Added Miss Linda and Nacho King relationship -- Added a couple of Billy Jack Haynes relationships -- all new scenario backgrounds -- recut worker pictures -- Farhat family relationships completed (Sheik married to Joyce Farhat - blood relatives to Capt. Ed George)

*Moves Added: Deep Arm Drag, Falling Double Axe Handle, Running Knee to Back, Punch to Arm, Charged Leg Sweep Kick, Grounded Bear Mauling, Kendo Stick Blast to Back, Kendo Stick Blast to Head, Arm Wringer Shoulder Headbutt, Hypnosis Attack, Grounded Hypnosis Attack, The Las Vegas Jackpot

*Move set Tweaks: Buddy Rose, Randy Savage, Ricky Steamboat, The Original Kendo Nagasaki, Hulkamania, Bob Backlund, Nick Bockwinkel, The Cult of Boston, Limb Marksman - Mid, the Andersons, David Schults, the Vachons, Bull Nakano, Akira Hokuto, Manami Toyota, Steven Regal, Fit Finlay, Eddie Guerrero, Tony St. Clair, Chris Adams Hero, Chris Adams Villain, Davey Boy Smith, Dynamite Kid, Rock and Roll Express, MS-1, Various Luchador sets

*Move sets Added: Gino Hernandez, Hero -- Villano V

Enjoy! (Hopefully one or two of you will - heh)

[.SVA]

Yaaaaaaaaaay! I might even have to restart my Iron Sheik diary! :D

[Jaded]

Awesome stuff :)

Expect to see all the GLOW girls go down to Claire Maynard very, very soon!

[Socko]

As a fellow obsessive character (right mate? ;)), I'd just like to publicly thank Boon for his dedication and continued work on DOTT. Not only is he an incredibly talented man, he's an extremely friendly guy to boot. :)

... now get back to that tweaking before I set Nick Patrick on you! :D

[captainlou]

D.Boon,

"Brother Love" technically didn't introduce the Undertaker to the public. He was, however, his first manager before being "sold" to Paul Bearer (William Moody).

Ted Dibiase introduced the Undertaker as his fourth partner live at the Survivor Series in November, 1990.

Just an FYI.

[damiende]

Missing Links flying headbutt is missing me thinks.


Daniel

[Rick Arnold]

And while on the subject:

The Running Powerslam that Dick Murdoch once used while wrestling a show in Texas in '74 is ALSO missing.

The same could be said of Ted Dibiase's Reverse Figure-Four/Sleeper Hold, which he used during the summer of '79.

I'm at a loss of words...

Otherwise, nice job D Boon... Someone has to pick up for the slackers.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

:D

That will teach me.

[damiende]

And while on the subject:

The Running Powerslam that Dick Murdoch once used while wrestling a show in Texas in '74 is ALSO missing.

The same could be said of Ted Dibiase's Reverse Figure-Four/Sleeper Hold, which he used during the summer of '79.

I'm at a loss of words...

Otherwise, nice job D Boon... Someone has to pick up for the slackers.

Well since the flying headbutt was one of the missing links trademark moves.




Daniel

[Slim Jim]

I was just about to start a new game, so it's great to have an updated release out.

DOTT puts other mods to shame, shame I tell you! :D

[Sartagis]

Ted Dibiase introduced the Undertaker as his fourth partner live at the Survivor Series in November, 1990.
It could be argued that Love actually brought him to the public, Dibiase only introduce him on the mic because well it was a surprise partner so the announcer can't do it. Brother Love was the one who actually brought him to the WWF (and the ring) to team with Dibiase.

And nice work D. Boon. Think I'll finally start a D.O.T.T RTL now and stick with it.

[Moderndaywarrior]

It could be argued that Love actually brought him to the public, Dibiase only introduce him on the mic because well it was a surprise partner so the announcer can't do it. Brother Love was the one who actually brought him to the WWF (and the ring) to team with Dibiase.

And nice work D. Boon. Think I'll finally start a D.O.T.T RTL now and stick with it.

Yes,I kind of remember it more like Brother Love managed The Undertaker,he struck a deal to let DiBiase use him as his 4th man....I guess really it was both Borther Love and Ted DiBiase that introduced The Undertaker.

[damiende]

I have modified the airplane spin toss so that it can be done onto a table or onto a chair.



Daniel

[damiende]

And I have added a few workers. Because I got tired wrestling the same guy over and over again.


Daniel

[Adam Ryland]

Daniel, if these modifications are just for your own private database then please don't do a separate post for every minor change. I can understand if you're giving extra info to DBG to help improve the mod itself, but your last two posts seem to be just you telling us what you're doing, which is hardly worthy of letting the entire board know.

[damiende]

And while on the subject:

The Running Powerslam that Dick Murdoch once used while wrestling a show in Texas in '74 is ALSO missing.

The same could be said of Ted Dibiase's Reverse Figure-Four/Sleeper Hold, which he used during the summer of '79.

I'm at a loss of words...

Otherwise, nice job D Boon... Someone has to pick up for the slackers.

If that's the way you feel Rick shouldnt Eric remove every move that those wrestlers have that they dont use until later in their carreer timeperiod. Terry Taylor The Ultimate Warrior and some others comes to mind.


Daniel

[damiende]

Daniel, if these modifications are just for your own private database then please don't do a separate post for every minor change. I can understand if you're giving extra info to DBG to help improve the mod itself, but your last two posts seem to be just you telling us what you're doing, which is hardly worthy of letting the entire board know.

Yeah I'll stop posting after all this is the perfect mod right?
No reason for me to say that I have changed the airplane spin toss so that it can be used onto a table or a chair. Because its unrealistic........


Daniel

[Adam Ryland]

Yeah I'll stop posting after all this is the perfect mod right?
No reason for me to say that I have changed the airplane spin toss so that it can be used onto a table or a chair. Because its unrealistic........

Daniel

I didn't ask you to stop posting, I simply asked that if you were going to bring up really minor points like that, that you showed some consideration and either grouped them together or perhaps used the Private Message system to tell Boon directly. If you're going to bring up every single tiny detail that you want changed then this thread is going to end up hundreds or pages long, and that would be fairly annoying for everyone else who is reading.

[damiende]

Everyone knows that no one shall talk badly about Dott nor come with suggestions. Those that dare do that shall perish forever more.







Daniel

[Rick Arnold]

Everyone knows that no one shall talk badly about Dott nor come with suggestions. Those that dare do that shall perish forever more.

Except saying that you added wrestlers... without stating which wrestlers... and despite the fact that D Boon has said many times already that adding more wrestlers won't fix the problem, when there's already dozens of unemployed workers that won't be hired.

[damiende]

If people wanted to know what wrestlers I have added I would be happy to provide them a list. But since some people decided to be a smartass and contradict themselfs. People can help themselfs. The funny thing is after this last update only 3 wrestlers has been let go from the various promotions at the start. After I added a few more workers in most promotions I have had matches with a wider variety of wrestlers. From defending my title against Koko Be Ware 9 times in a row. To once in a while.


Rick what should Eric do with the various finishers of the future?


Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Daniel... 'Perfect mod'? Where the hell is that coming from? I have never pretended that it is - nor do I care whether it is or not. I'll leave self-importance to the egotists that need to sign their posts, despite the fact everyone knows who is posting.

Stating you are changing a move to reflect something is one thing. It's helpful because you offer something concrete to work with. I can see the logic in the move in question and agree that not having chairs and tables involved was an error in judgement.

Stating that you are 'adding workers 'cause I'm sick of fighting the same people' does absolutely nothing to help. Which promotion did you add to? Which workers did you add? Who were you fighting constantly? Why am I explaining this to someone over the age of 10?

Seriously - I've worked on this for years and have never once sneered at suggestions, unless it came from people with chips on their virtual shoulders; i.e., no one but yourself.

Believe me, I do not expect it from people that play this - but have you once thanked the work gone into it? Nope. I think the closest you have come was 'Nice mod, but ya gotta keep them finishers straight'. 15 posts on everything wrong with it and not 1 good thing to say? And then you slag off on what Adam had to say to you?

Perhaps where you come from they call that trying to help. Around these parts they call that being a complete douchebag.

[damiende]

Maybe I didnt name a promotion because it happened in every friggin promotion in there for the most part. All you got to do is ask...


I asked if certain moves had their counters set wrong. I never demanded you to change anything.

I said that I think that one of the trademark moves of The missing link was missing. And got a smartass reply back. You know why I said that? Because maybe you had missed it. But nah..

But I do understand now that before one is to point out any errors one shall first kiss your ass..


Daniel

[damiende]

"Daniel... 'Perfect mod'? Where the hell is that coming from? I have never pretended that it is - nor do I care whether it is or not. I'll leave self-importance to the egotists that need to sign their posts, despite the fact everyone knows who is posting."

Tsk tsk dont talk like that about Adam Ryland.


Daniel

[Chris2K]

"Daniel... 'Perfect mod'? Where the hell is that coming from? I have never pretended that it is - nor do I care whether it is or not. I'll leave self-importance to the egotists that need to sign their posts, despite the fact everyone knows who is posting."

Tsk tsk dont talk like that about Adam Ryland.


Daniel

That's his signature. Yours isn't your signature, it's part of your post.

I have no idea what your problem is, but on behalf of everyone who uses the DOTT scenario, allow me to say you're embarrassing yourself, and your constant nitpicking, insults and constant lack of gratitude and respect is demeaning the hard work that has gone into the scenario, and the enjoyment that EVERYONE ELSE gets from using it.

So from now on, maybe you should stay in the nice new thread you've created, and let the people who want to use DOTT for their actual entertainment instead of finding things wrong with it discuss it in here.

[Moderndaywarrior]

Just ignore him; it's obvious from his vague, non-commital arguments and attempts to deflect heat onto other people that he doesn't want to have a rational discussion,he just wants to argue,he's going to find something to nitpick no matter what you say.

Now,on to something that matters.....
I was wondering,any plans in the future of adding Poffo's ICW? It was a small promotion but from the clips I saw was actually fairly groundbreaking with the stuff they did.

[fatallylost]

Firstly, jsut cause it bugs the **** out of me, it's "selves" themselves, yourself is the only f variation... it's singular.

Also, I love DOTT, but, I decided to add some shows, moves, a picture of a calf milking it's mother. And one scoop of cherry ice cream, just to make it the ultimate super duper out of this world don't walk on the grass mod everest in the history of the planet.

[damiende]

Firstly, jsut cause it bugs the **** out of me, it's "selves" themselves, yourself is the only f variation... it's singular.

Also, I love DOTT, but, I decided to add some shows, moves, a picture of a calf milking it's mother. And one scoop of cherry ice cream, just to make it the ultimate super duper out of this world don't walk on the grass mod everest in the history of the planet.

How nice of you but strawberry icecream is better. And my mother is stronger then your mother.



Daniel

[ahw26]

Daniel grow up and show some respect to D Boon for putting all the time and effort he has put into this mod as it is, be thankful that he took the time to convert over to wrespi 2 aswell, it may not be a perfect mod, but then what mod is? at least he has provided us with a well polished, enjoyable, almost 100% accurate mod.
all your doing is taking the easy way out and just adding your own modifications to what D Boon has done, i'd like to see you try and make a mod just as good as DOTT on your own starting from scratch, because i really don't think you could.
I was born in 88 so i really have little to no knowledge of the territory era of wrestling, but i have really enjoyed playing this mod in not just wrespi 2 but also tew05 and wrespi 1 aswell, so show Boon the respect he deserves for making this mod, and also show respect to Adam Ryland, if he hadn't created extreme warfare, wrespi, etc. then the majority of us wouldn't be on this board, and would be stuck playing somewhat dodgy wrestling console games, so thank you D Boon's Ghost for all the time and effort you have put into this mod, and thank you Adam Ryland for creating many enjoyable alternative wrestling games.

[Adam Ryland]

Let's please take this back on topic. damiende has his own thread now, so presumably won't be posting in this one anymore, so there's really no reason to keep arguing.

[AbdullahvonFlair]

Daniel... 'Perfect mod'? Where the hell is that coming from? I have never pretended that it is - nor do I care whether it is or not. I'll leave self-importance to the egotists that need to sign their posts, despite the fact everyone knows who is posting.

Stating you are changing a move to reflect something is one thing. It's helpful because you offer something concrete to work with. I can see the logic in the move in question and agree that not having chairs and tables involved was an error in judgement.

Stating that you are 'adding workers 'cause I'm sick of fighting the same people' does absolutely nothing to help. Which promotion did you add to? Which workers did you add? Who were you fighting constantly? Why am I explaining this to someone over the age of 10?

Seriously - I've worked on this for years and have never once sneered at suggestions, unless it came from people with chips on their virtual shoulders; i.e., no one but yourself.

Believe me, I do not expect it from people that play this - but have you once thanked the work gone into it? Nope. I think the closest you have come was 'Nice mod, but ya gotta keep them finishers straight'. 15 posts on everything wrong with it and not 1 good thing to say? And then you slag off on what Adam had to say to you?

Perhaps where you come from they call that trying to help. Around these parts they call that being a complete douchebag.


Why such an *******?

[Sartagis]

This from the guy who one fo his first two posts was this

I assume that is must be a mistake on your part Adam ?
And I assume that it will be added?

.....

[Adam Ryland]

AbdullahvonFlair, I literally just asked in the previous post for people to get this back on topic, making that post is not in the least bit helpful.

I, on the other hand, am a very helpful person. There's nothing I enjoy more than helping people, no sir. So, I'd really like to recommend that you get in touch with Daniel (his screen name is DamienDe on this board in case you didn't know). You see, I think you two will get on really well, I think it may turn into a life-long friendship, one that will enrich both your lives. Why do I think this? Well, by gosh, even from just the few posts that you've made, it's clear that you two have a lot of similarities.

I mean, for one thing, your screen name is obviously a tell-tale sign that you love old school wrestling. Judging by his love of DOTT, so does Daniel! You even used "von" in your screen name, which of course is of dutch origin, and judging by his IP address, guess who lives in the Netherlands? Why, Daniel does! What a delightful coincidence, one you can laugh about in later years for sure.

Then of course, there is the obvious bond that you have already developed. Why, even though you're a new poster, one of your very first actions was to jump right into the argument between Daniel and D.Boon and defend him, when nobody else would. It's a good job you did too; I mean, Daniel was asked not to post in this thread again, so clearly he couldn't have responded. It's good that you jumped right in there and helped out. It was a little over-the-top, calling D.Boon names (who of course had done nothing to upset you), but I'm not judging.

You even have the same taste in what to read. Taking a quick peek at what threads you were viewing last night, they seem to be the same ones Daniel tends to view. So that's great, should you ever come to live in the same place, there'll be no arguments over what to read! Score! Sadly neither of you was on at the same time at any point last night, so you didn't get a chance to be reading the same thread at the same time - how magical would that have been?

You even think alike. I mean, your first post was to attack me (that's fair enough, I'm sure that it was nothing personal, and you were merely channeling Daniel's own dislike for me) over the fact that you couldn't whip people into the cage in cage matches. I thought it sounded familiar when I read it, so I did some checking. You know who posted that exact same thing not long ago? Yup, you got it in one, your buddy Daniel. I mean, could these complete coincidences be more freaky? I think not!

What is even odder is that you even write in the same style as him, same grammatical oddities and all. Seriously, I think you two are clearly soul-mates. I think you should probably arrange to meet up, who knows what else you have in common! Maybe you're really long-lost twins or something. I know Daniel lives in Holland, sadly I couldn't find where you live as your IP address is being re-routed, but I feel sure that it's not too far away. Go on, PM him, get in touch, and be sure to let us know how it goes.

[AbdullahvonFlair]

AbdullahvonFlair, I literally just asked in the previous post for people to get this back on topic, making that post is not in the least bit helpful.

I, on the other hand, am a very helpful person. There's nothing I enjoy more than helping people, no sir. So, I'd really like to recommend that you get in touch with Daniel (his screen name is DamienDe on this board in case you didn't know). You see, I think you two will get on really well, I think it may turn into a life-long friendship, one that will enrich both your lives. Why do I think this? Well, by gosh, even from just the few posts that you've made, it's clear that you two have a lot of similarities.

I mean, for one thing, your screen name is obviously a tell-tale sign that you love old school wrestling. Judging by his love of DOTT, so does Daniel! You even used "von" in your screen name, which of course is of dutch origin, and judging by his IP address, guess who lives in the Netherlands? Why, Daniel does! What a delightful coincidence, one you can laugh about in later years for sure.

Then of course, there is the obvious bond that you have already developed. Why, even though you're a new poster, one of your very first actions was to jump right into the argument between Daniel and D.Boon and defend him, when nobody else would. It's a good job you did too; I mean, Daniel was asked not to post in this thread again, so clearly he couldn't have responded. It's good that you jumped right in there and helped out. It was a little over-the-top, calling D.Boon names (who of course had done nothing to upset you), but I'm not judging.

You even have the same taste in what to read. Taking a quick peek at what threads you were viewing last night, they seem to be the same ones Daniel tends to view. So that's great, should you ever come to live in the same place, there'll be no arguments over what to read! Score! Sadly neither of you was on at the same time at any point last night, so you didn't get a chance to be reading the same thread at the same time - how magical would that have been?

You even think alike. I mean, your first post was to attack me (that's fair enough, I'm sure that it was nothing personal, and you were merely channeling Daniel's own dislike for me) over the fact that you couldn't whip people into the cage in cage matches. I thought it sounded familiar when I read it, so I did some checking. You know who posted that exact same thing not long ago? Yup, you got it in one, your buddy Daniel. I mean, could these complete coincidences be more freaky? I think not!

What is even odder is that you even write in the same style as him, same grammatical oddities and all. Seriously, I think you two are clearly soul-mates. I think you should probably arrange to meet up, who knows what else you have in common! Maybe you're really long-lost twins or something. I know Daniel lives in Holland, sadly I couldn't find where you live as your IP address is being re-routed, but I feel sure that it's not too far away. Go on, PM him, get in touch, and be sure to let us know how it goes.

Mission accomplished. It's really a matter of jsut taking your time. Poor old Daniel no matter what he does or say. Nobody is going to believe him.

[ahw26]

Mission accomplished. It's really a matter of jsut taking your time. Poor old Daniel no matter what he does or say. Nobody is going to believe him.
wow you two really are soulmates go for it;)

[AbdullahvonFlair]

Mission accomplished...............

[AbdullahvonFlair]

i really think that this is a great game. really great game. after all australian wrestling sucks.

[ahw26]

i really think that this is a great game. really great game. after all australian wrestling sucks.
thats supposed to be an insult?

[JWideman]

thats supposed to be an insult?
He's clearly practicing the fine art of ass kissing.

[Adam Ryland]

"AbdullahvonFlair", please keep on topic. That's four posts you've done now, and none are relevant to this mod. If you have general comments, we have a forum for that at the top of the board, this is for DOTT only.

[Clarity]

AbdullahvonFlair, I literally just asked in the previous post for people to get this back on topic, making that post is not in the least bit helpful.

I, on the other hand, am a very helpful person. There's nothing I enjoy more than helping people, no sir. So, I'd really like to recommend that you get in touch with Daniel (his screen name is DamienDe on this board in case you didn't know). You see, I think you two will get on really well, I think it may turn into a life-long friendship, one that will enrich both your lives. Why do I think this? Well, by gosh, even from just the few posts that you've made, it's clear that you two have a lot of similarities.

I mean, for one thing, your screen name is obviously a tell-tale sign that you love old school wrestling. Judging by his love of DOTT, so does Daniel! You even used "von" in your screen name, which of course is of dutch origin, and judging by his IP address, guess who lives in the Netherlands? Why, Daniel does! What a delightful coincidence, one you can laugh about in later years for sure.

Then of course, there is the obvious bond that you have already developed. Why, even though you're a new poster, one of your very first actions was to jump right into the argument between Daniel and D.Boon and defend him, when nobody else would. It's a good job you did too; I mean, Daniel was asked not to post in this thread again, so clearly he couldn't have responded. It's good that you jumped right in there and helped out. It was a little over-the-top, calling D.Boon names (who of course had done nothing to upset you), but I'm not judging.

You even have the same taste in what to read. Taking a quick peek at what threads you were viewing last night, they seem to be the same ones Daniel tends to view. So that's great, should you ever come to live in the same place, there'll be no arguments over what to read! Score! Sadly neither of you was on at the same time at any point last night, so you didn't get a chance to be reading the same thread at the same time - how magical would that have been?

You even think alike. I mean, your first post was to attack me (that's fair enough, I'm sure that it was nothing personal, and you were merely channeling Daniel's own dislike for me) over the fact that you couldn't whip people into the cage in cage matches. I thought it sounded familiar when I read it, so I did some checking. You know who posted that exact same thing not long ago? Yup, you got it in one, your buddy Daniel. I mean, could these complete coincidences be more freaky? I think not!

What is even odder is that you even write in the same style as him, same grammatical oddities and all. Seriously, I think you two are clearly soul-mates. I think you should probably arrange to meet up, who knows what else you have in common! Maybe you're really long-lost twins or something. I know Daniel lives in Holland, sadly I couldn't find where you live as your IP address is being re-routed, but I feel sure that it's not too far away. Go on, PM him, get in touch, and be sure to let us know how it goes.

If you were a women i would marry you right now. Absolutely classic

[Moderndaywarrior]

Re-posting my question from earlier as I think it got buried under all the off-topic stuff:

I was wondering,any plans in the future of adding Poffo's ICW? It was a small promotion but from the clips I saw was actually fairly groundbreaking with the stuff they did.

Though I have not seen ALOT of ICW footage,I have seen enough that I'd be willing to help out if needed.

[The Fek]

I tried downloading this. Looks cool, but about 5 or 6 wrestlers are under the age limit. How do I fix it?

[Jaded]

Go to database, edit workers, and change their dates of birth - if you make them born in 1966 they'll be 17 (mod's start date is sometime in 1983), and they'll be okay.

[potty]

Do the guys under the age limit enter the game when they become old enough? I've always wondered that.

[TEWFan]

Sorry but I need to post a LOL here. Maybe Adam has a career as a private detective once his programming days are done.

BTW D.Boon, since I finally got DSL on, I downloaded your updated pic pack....but what is different in it? I have played a while and fail to notice anything changed. Maybe I am just dumb.....

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... since I finally got DSL on, I downloaded your updated pic pack....but what is different in it? I have played a while and fail to notice anything changed. Maybe I am just dumb.....

If you are speaking of the new wrestler profile pictures, the only difference is that there is now a small white border around them. I did that because I thought they looked better against the new game backgrounds I released a while back.

I was wondering,any plans in the future of adding Poffo's ICW? It was a small promotion but from the clips I saw was actually fairly groundbreaking with the stuff they did.

Though I have not seen ALOT of ICW footage,I have seen enough that I'd be willing to help out if needed.

I had thought about adding ICW during the process, but they were pretty much done by '83. Then again, that didn't stop me from adding in Detroit. The main reason I didn't was that I created Memphis (CWA) to be a replication of the time right after the Poffos invaded.
I may add them in in an update along the line.

Speaking of... you are right about that promotion. Way before WWE coined the term, ICW was as Attitude-driven Sports Entertainment as promotions went. They used to even expose Memphis wrestlers on their t.v. show - heh. Check out some of the stuff on YouTube if you haven't already; amazing.

[Moderndaywarrior]

Actually,you are right,by that time all 3 Poffos (lol) had signed on with CWA,so i guess that would pretty much kill most peoples desire to work for ICW when playing DOTT,unless you are a hardcore Ronnie Garvin fan.It would however,be good perhaps as a future promotion for .SVA's 60's mod I think.

The only real shame is now I won't be able to wrestle as/against "The Best"(masked Bob Orton Jr.),"The Miser"(masked Angelo Poffo), or Ratyamas(old school jobber Bill Howard as Ox Baker's evil flunky with crazy face paint,demon gimmick,and the original Shiek's hardcore style of working....kind of a low rent Purple Haze,if you will).

Speaking of ICW,I did just watch some of the youtube stuff,the Ronnie Garvin expose on Lanny Poffo/Randy Savage was unheard of back then,and Crusher Bloomfield cracking up during the Miss Savage competition when they brought out Pistol Pez was gold.

[Brian]

Just had to add my $.02

DOTT is just unbelievable. I really can't get over it.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks for taking the time to pass along the kind words, Brian; much appreciated.

[damiende]

I have looked at the moves database. Do you have the apron forearm smash?
The other wrestler is standing on the apron with his back to the ropes. Getting smashed over the chest.


Daniel

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I have looked at the moves database. Do you have the apron forearm smash?
The other wrestler is standing on the apron with his back to the ropes. Getting smashed over the chest.

Yep.

[panix04]

*bump*

[magicman3315]

Yea I am enjoying DOTT. This was my childhood but I didnt watch wrestling back then, but I recognize the names and such, haha.

Im waiting for the FOTORC to finish with all the true moves and such. But in the meantime I will take Dean Malenko to the glory he never quite achieved, haha.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... Im waiting for the FOTORC to finish with all the true moves and such...

I'm glad you're liking it until something better comes along. ;)

Seriously - thanks for the kind words, magic.

And the bump, panix. I figured this was too 'aweful' to bother. :)

[panix04]

I love DOTT! It covers the era just before i got into wrestling (i was a late 80's early 90's kinda guy) but lots of the people are pretty familiar to me! I still think DOTT is pretty much the standard bearer when it comes to both wrespi and TEW mods, its just a shame that you are so limited in your wrestling tastes, i get the feeling you'd make a hell of a 90's mod!

[weirdo_man]

Uh ohs, then between Boon and TCP we'll have "Monday Night Mod Wars" and the whole TEW community will rift in support of each other!

Oh maybe I'm just exagerrating a weeeeeee little bit.

[KingEdge]

this is a great mod so far
I'm starting a career with "The Excellence of Execution" Bret Hart ; since I'm French, I maybe would start another one with André, our only wrestling star, but i do much love tech wrestling
how about the '84 setup? it would be nice to have it released, if it can merge realism and gameplay purposes

how about underaged workers? will they appear later or not included at all? I don't want to edit their D.O.B since they would be wrong then

[D. Boon's Ghost]

this is a great mod so far... how about the '84 setup? it would be nice to have it released, if it can merge realism and gameplay purposes

how about underaged workers? will they appear later or not included at all? I don't want to edit their D.O.B since they would be wrong then

First off, I'm glad you are having some fun with it and appreciate your taking the time to pass along the kind words.
Bonne chance dans votre carrière! (Hope I got that right, heh)

At present I have no intentions of creating a 1984 set, though I may consider it once I get the Legends set completed.

RE: Underaged workers ... the 6 (or so) workers that are removed when processing a new game will eventually appear, but that's about it. I intentionally got the birth dates wrong on quite a few people, as I wanted them in at the start of the game; people like Shawn Michaels and Sting.

Again, thanks for the interest.

[sickboy13]

Found this website, thought you might get some use from it, no idea if your already aware of it. Been a fan for quite some time of your work, We'd spoken a few times before on your old Norwrestling site. anyway http://www.georgiawrestlinghistory.com/main.html

[damiende]

Found this website, thought you might get some use from it, no idea if your already aware of it. Been a fan for quite some time of your work, We'd spoken a few times before on your old Norwrestling site. anyway http://www.georgiawrestlinghistory.com/main.html

Norwrestling was actually my site. It started as an attempt to make an english site about Norwegian wrestling. But due to bad designer skills all that ever came out of it was a various forums. One of them was Dott. After a while other things got in my way. I got quite sick and before I knew it the domain ran out. It was fun and I wish that it didnt end like that. It was fun helping out with the first DOTT scenario. And it's fun to see how people like it.


Daniel

[captainlou]

D.Boon,

The finisher powerbomb for Mark Callaway (AKA The Undertaker) is called Last Ride, not Last Rites.

[Johnny_McSluggz]

Hey! Just giving my obligatory every number of months return to pick up WreSpi 2 and download the always fantastic DOTT scenario. It's time for The Lariat to be unleashed on one more game. :D Thanks D Boon and Rick for another home run, brothers.

[KingEdge]

some remarks about the mod

BELTS : it seems that some belts are never defended (i particularly think about the Heavyweight title in Stampede Wrestling, since in my Bret Hart career I never defended it) ; is it a known WSII bug or a DOTT bug? and what about inactive belts, are they only cosmetic or became active through the game?

WORKERS : it's frustating to see that some of future big names are still unemployed or fired early on ; I'm in December 84 and people like Sting, Vader, Brian Pillman, Shawn Michaels, Mark Calloway, etc... mainly cause they have overness F almost everywhere, or at best they are D or E in a region and had a defeating streak. I fought the smallest promotions would hire or keep these kind of wrestlers if they match the promotion style

FED RELATIONSHIPS : is it normal to see wrestlers who work for both AJPW/NJPW or UWA/EMLL since they supposed to be rival companies??

[D. Boon's Ghost]

The belts issue pretty much falls on me as the mod maker. The other two issues? Not as such.

Rookie/future rookie workers have always been problematic in these games. As you mentioned, I personally believe the newer workers are set up as they logically should be; i.e., higher level (and virtually unknown) scrubs, waiting to be developed. Alas, the AI promotions find no use for them.
TEW07 will fix that, as Adam has allowed sliders that 'force' the promotions to actually use young talent. If the mod maker takes advantage of the feature, that is.

The promotion pacts being ignored situation... blah. I've always been really irked by that one. As you suggested, NJPW & AJPW should never be sharing talent. Another example: WWF starts off at War with quite a few feds, yet that does not stop them from sharing talent with those feds.
The bad thing about that is that you really have no way to determine if the feds in question have ended their War relationships. I've always assumed that was the case, but who knows.

Again, though - Adam has added a lot of features into TEW07 that should prevent these situations, as evidenced by the Developer's Journal. If a WreSpi 3 comes about (and here's hoping it does), those new features will more than likely be carried over.

[KingEdge]

thanks for your replies ; i hope too there will be a WresSpi 3 which benefits from TEW2007 ; Adam? :D

[panix04]

just thought i'd bump this so everyone who wants to can access it! :D

[PWNED!]

just thought i'd bump this so everyone who wants to can access it! :DWith the tiny amount of threads in this forum, there's no need for bumping. :rolleyes:

[panix04]

yeah i know :) but after a month if there is no post it gets removed from the front page and people can overlook it, seeing as there are only two mods for wrespi2 i thought it was a good idea not to have anybody overlook either of them!

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Bump for those interested.

[rjhabeeb]

if i bump this will we all be able to see it?? yes it does...........DBOON have Adam cut you a check because thanks to you the full version is about to be bought

[Wool94]

I bought the full version after playing the demo and just so I could play through The former Continental Championship Wrestling (Southeastern Championship) in the game!!

Right now, I'm busy paying my dues and eating alot of canvas, but this game/simulator is so much fun!!!!

[Dangrel]

I hate to sound dumb, but I could use some help getting the mod to work. :confused:

I downloaded the file and installed it, so now I have the DOTT folder in the Data directory.

Now what do I do?

I thought I could just start the game and switch to the DOTT database, but it doesn't show up, only the Default is available.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

You might have to create the database from the main screen first - then copy and paste all of the downloaded data into that new folder.

Sorry about that. :)

[Dangrel]

Thanks, I got it working!

[that_one_guy]

I can't seem to start a career mode in D.O.T.T. While I love the exhibition matches, it's not the same. I keep getting Run Time Error 75, so I can't edit what I need to*Eddie, Benoit, Jericho etc.* Any advice? Oh, I did check the database, and it shows the error at Belts, I'll check that first. Any help in the mean time would be appreciated though.

[Sartagis]

Are the Batten Twins not in DOTT? Could have sworn they were.

Has anyone by chance added them in their own database and would like to share? The Crockett Cup Depends on it!!

[Sartagis]

AHA! They are in DOTT just only in the TEW version. the Crockett Cup is saved!!

[Surlyc]

"server not found"

What?

Anyone have any idea why I get that?

[Rocksta]

Ay the download is down. Any chance for a re up by anyone who has this?

[silvis]

I just bought this game and want to get d.o.t.t but i cant download it, can someone help me please, can someone respond to this post please.

Thankyou

Silvis
silvisdogg@yahoo.com

[Woodsmeister]

http://www.ewinventory.com/wrespi.html

you can download it from the link above