The Official Movieland Massacre Game Thread

[Inadvertant]

I thought it was Masterded who claimed Sloth.

Correct, my bad. Who did Bak claim that was true then?

Gladly.

Astil has been a distraction and has kept changing who or what he is.

I vote to lynch.

Anti claimed. I believe his claim.

Destiny I never get a read on. My gut says town.

Simple.

Then you must be sick mate, 'cause I believe yer gut is wrong. Pfft, city people.

[Astil]

This is that 'make you appear scummy so you'll lynch the otehr guy to defend yourself' tactic?

Nah. I'd have to be defending myself to use that tactic.

I am not.

[Kobe1724]

I almost wonder if lynching Astil today is the right thing to do so we can start fresh tomorrow.

Nah.

[hellshock70]

My thought process.

1. Pressure Destiny and Michael Meyers/hellshock today.

2. Lynch Astil tomorrow regardless of what happens (Please do something interesting so that we can learn something unexpected).

Full attention. Shoot.

[Antithesis]

Astil is obviously lying/hiding something. He isn't town. So I guess it makes sense to lynch him. So why keep questioning him?

Assume he is lying, maybe he isn't an indy but part of a group. That opens up new possibilities.

[Undertaker666]

Vote Count:

Astil: 8 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, Midnightnick, The Two, Max Peck)
supermareo: 1 (Comradebot)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)

It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be declared.

[Astil]

Assume he is lying, maybe he isn't an indy but part of a group. That opens up new possibilities.

Was my play group-goal-oriented?

[Kobe1724]

Assume he is lying, maybe he isn't an indy but part of a group. That opens up new possibilities.

Good point. I don't have any additional questions for him but feel free to go for it with that idea in mind. ^_^

Full attention. Shoot.

1. What the first name of the actor/actress most famous for playing you?

2. When was your biggest hit?

3. Can you go out at night?

4. How often have you?

5. What are your thoughts on MNN, Destiny and myself?

[Antithesis]

Was my play group-goal-oriented?

Not talking about what you claimed, talking about what otehr people tried to make of it.

There's a way to test that, alas, it involves you dying.

[Astil]

Not talking about what you claimed, talking about what otehr people tried to make of it.

There's a way to test that, alas, it involves you dying.

My overall play. The "big picture".

[Antithesis]

Night 3

***********************

There was a knock on the door. 'Yes?', but there was no reply. Cautiously he opened the door... he chuckled to himself, 'You're adorable!'.

***********************

The man heard someone outside his room, so he opened the door. 'Pardon the intrusion, sir, but I couldn't help but notice that you have the most wonderfully coiffed hair I've ever seen! Would you mind telling me how you keep it looking so immaculate?'

***********************

He sat on the edge of the bed, waiting for the right time to go out. A figure slipped in through the open window and silently crept up behind the man. Wrapping his cheese-wire around his victim's throat, it was over in no time at all. 'Too easy.'.

***********************

Maybe he just didn't have what it takes any more? He decided to get some rest so he could tackle tomorrow with renewed vigour.

Twenty minutes later and he was sound asleep. Unfortunately he wasn't woken by the man entering the room. His wild eyes widened with joy as he poured a liquid over the sleeping man, burning his face off.

***********************

'Damn, where's my back up? He knew we were coming here tonight.'. The man banged on the door, 'Police, open up', but there was no reply. He kicked opened the door and began searching the room for clues. 'Gotcha'.

***********************

He approached the room and noticed the door ajar. Drawing his gun, he rushed inside. There lay the lifeless corpse of his friend. 'Oh God no.'. He sat in silence for what seemed like hours, but was in fact only minutes. He could feel the anger consuming him. 'I'll get 'em for ya, if it's the last thing I do!'.

***********************

The man gripped his weapon tightly and burst through the door where he found the occupant looking startled. 'Ahhh, excuse me, miss. I was looking for someone else. Sorry about the door...', and with that he exited the room.

***********************

A noise woke the man from his sleep. Noticing his door open, he quickly grabbed his gun. Everything seemed to be in order... but then he heard a noise coming from the closet. Cautiously opening the door he was startled to find someone in there. 'You aren't going to hurt me are you?', the girl asked timidly.

'Sorry, honey.', as he pressed his gun against her head. *bang*

***********************

The figure crashed through the door and scanned the room for it's intended victim, but it was nowhere to be found.

***********************

mjdgoldeneye is dead, he was Eddie "The Hudson Hawk" Hawkins, Good Aligned Master Thief
Zeel1 is dead, he was Roger Murtaugh, Good Aligned Too Old For This *poop* Cop
MichiganHero is dead, he was Newt, Good Aligned Elusive Child

Role pm's to follow shortly.

Thats Destiny.. reads like he didn't go out, but that could be the mod covering for him.. dunno.

[Kobe1724]

hellshock? :)

[hellshock70]

sorry getting some clarification both here and else where.

[Astil]

When a hider hides behind scum, the hider dies...

Maybe, Inadvertant got it backwards?

[Inadvertant]

Thats Destiny.. reads like he didn't go out, but that could be the mod covering for him.. dunno.

I know it is, haha. I saw him do it, I saw him with me own two eyes. You don't see junk like that back where I come from :P this is one nasty city.

[hellshock70]

Good point. I don't have any additional questions for him but feel free to go for it with that idea in mind. ^_^



1. What the first name of the actor/actress most famous for playing you?

2. When was your biggest hit? Depends on which series.

3. Can you go out at night? Yes

4. How often have you? last night & apparently my late pm was late in the night.

5. What are your thoughts on MNN, Destiny and myself?

1. oooooo but not michael myers, wrong decade just found out.
2. Depends on which series
3. yes
4. last night & apparently my late pm was late in the night
5. not threat so far

[Inadvertant]

When a hider hides behind scum, the hider dies...

Maybe, Inadvertant got it backwards?

No way in hell I got it wrong. MH was the girl in Alien, only here instead of a derelict spaceship, it was a closet. That line is even used in the movie, if I'm not mistaken.

[Antithesis]

When a hider hides behind scum, the hider dies...

Maybe, Inadvertant got it backwards?

Mods, can a hider be tracked or watched on the night they die??

[Kobe1724]

1. oooooo but not michael myers, wrong decade just found out.
2. Depends on which series
3. yes
4. last night & apparently my late pm was late in the night
5. not threat so far

Could you elaborate on question 1? I don't understand. :o

[Antithesis]

Mods, can a hider be tracked or watched on the night they die??

By that, I mean other people who have modded...

[Kobe1724]

1. oooooo but not michael myers, wrong decade just found out.
2. Depends on which series
3. yes
4. last night & apparently my late pm was late in the night
5. not threat so far

For number 1... 1st initial?

[hellshock70]

1. oooooo but not michael myers, wrong decade just found out.
2. Depends on which series
3. yes
4. last night & apparently my late pm was late in the night
5. not threat so far

1. 3 people. who do you want? trying to lock down the exact one. but I'm not original.

[Astil]

No way in hell I got it wrong. MH was the girl in Alien, only here instead of a derelict spaceship, it was a closet. That line is even used in the movie, if I'm not mistaken.

And MH targeted Destiny?

[Paws7297]

Popping in to check on things. I am sorry I have been very busy today and will be very busy again tomorrow. Been hanging out...... With a person who means alot to me..... I'll try to be here around Midnight.

[Kobe1724]

1. 3 people. who do you want? trying to lock down the exact one. but I'm not original.

Pick the one you know best. ^_^

[Inadvertant]

And MH targeted Destiny?

Yup. Targeted Destiny to hide behind, and then died, while inside Destiny's closet. With who can only be Destiny in the room, with a gun, shooting MH in the noggin, and 0 remorse.

[hellshock70]

Pick the one you know best. ^_^

the one i know best is the one I'm not which is the original.

[Antithesis]

Yup. Targeted Destiny to hide behind, and then died, while inside Destiny's closet. With who can only be Destiny in the room, with a gun, shooting MH in the noggin, and 0 remorse.

WHo else have you targeted? Results?

[Kobe1724]

As much about his 1st (real) name as possible would be great. ^_^

[Kobe1724]

the one i know best is the one I'm not which is the original.

^^Referencing this post.

[Inadvertant]

WHo else have you targeted? Results?

N1 : Astil, targeted Glotnot

N2 : Astil, did not go out that night

N3 : MichiganHero, targeted Destiny

[Max Peck]

Why do I think that Kobe and Glot are scum as of right now?.....

[Antithesis]

I gotta start keeping notes :D

[Astil]

Yup. Targeted Destiny to hide behind, and then died, while inside Destiny's closet. With who can only be Destiny in the room, with a gun, shooting MH in the noggin, and 0 remorse.

A common mechanic of the hider is "if you hide behind scum, you die."

[Kobe1724]

Destiny and Astil need to of course, die.

MNN we'll see about.

[Kobe1724]

There was no reason for me to post that above.

Please disregard.

[Imarevenant]

the one i know best is the one I'm not which is the original.

Stop stalling and give a straight answer please...

[Midnightnick]

There was no reason for me to post that above.

Please disregard.

I'm not.

[hellshock70]

Stop stalling and give a straight answer please...

Do you want to find his name for me? We'll see if you can do any better. He's not easy to track down.

[The Two]

I'm not after you. I cannot target you anymore.
Anymore? So you could previously?

You've outted a couple power roles.

I cannot touch them.

Why waste a day that you can still use?
But you can touch others?

Seriously, dude, how about you start by explaining why you lied before. LAL, remember? Why did you claim DQ if you're Hertz? What do you really want with Glot? What do you mean that you can't target certain people "anymore"? What changed?

What are your intentions? What is it you're trying to achieve in the game, what do you really need to do?

From what I can see, you've still got a lot of explaining to do, and I'll strongly favour lynching you unless I hear some damn good answers.

Astil is obviously lying/hiding something. He isn't town. So I guess it makes sense to lynch him. So why keep questioning him?
You make no sense. None at all. "Astil's clearly lying... so lets just leave him alone and go do something else." That's when you're not bouncing around between lets lynch him now, lets lynch him tomorrow, and lets leave him alone entirely, changing your opinion from one end of the scale to the other and back again in consecutive posts. You clearly have no idea how scummy you look when you do that.

[The Two]

1. oooooo but not michael myers, wrong decade just found out.
2. Depends on which series
3. yes
4. last night & apparently my late pm was late in the night
5. not threat so far
You don't have literary origins, do you?

[Max Peck]

Anymore? So you could previously?


But you can touch others?

Seriously, dude, how about you start by explaining why you lied before. LAL, remember? Why did you claim DQ if you're Hertz? What do you really want with Glot? What do you mean that you can't target certain people "anymore"? What changed?

What are your intentions? What is it you're trying to achieve in the game, what do you really need to do?

From what I can see, you've still got a lot of explaining to do, and I'll strongly favour lynching you unless I hear some damn good answers.


You make no sense. None at all. "Astil's clearly lying... so lets just leave him alone and go do something else." That's when you're not bouncing around between lets lynch him now, lets lynch him tomorrow, and lets leave him alone entirely, changing your opinion from one end of the scale to the other and back again in consecutive posts. You clearly have no idea how scummy you look when you do that.

We should lynch Astil today, Kobe or Glot tommorow.....imho that is.

[Kobe1724]

Anymore? So you could previously?


But you can touch others?

Seriously, dude, how about you start by explaining why you lied before. LAL, remember? Why did you claim DQ if you're Hertz? What do you really want with Glot? What do you mean that you can't target certain people "anymore"? What changed?

What are your intentions? What is it you're trying to achieve in the game, what do you really need to do?

From what I can see, you've still got a lot of explaining to do, and I'll strongly favour lynching you unless I hear some damn good answers.


You make no sense. None at all. "Astil's clearly lying... so lets just leave him alone and go do something else." That's when you're not bouncing around between lets lynch him now, lets lynch him tomorrow, and lets leave him alone entirely, changing your opinion from one end of the scale to the other and back again in consecutive posts. You clearly have no idea how scummy you look when you do that.

I don't think I ever consider how I appear to others when I post. There are so many ways to end up dead in mafia that an early lynch doesn't even register as a risk tbqh.

My thoughts on Astil are what they are. I don't know what to tell you. :o

Presently, I'd like to lynch him tomorrow and leave him alone entirely tonight.

[Kobe1724]

We should lynch Astil today, Kobe or Glot tommorow.....imho that is.

I actually think that tomorrow would be a good time to apply a high degree of pressure to both myself and glot, all things considered.

[Astil]

We should lynch Astil today, Kobe or Glot tommorow.....imho that is.

Uh, that makes no sense... why lynch Glot if you want to lynch me?

[Max Peck]

Uh, that makes no sense... why lynch Glot if you want to lynch me?

Because its shown you have been caught in a lie, and those two are each in their own way trying to deflect the lynch off you.

Reeks of conspiracy in my mind.

[Kobe1724]

Today though we should lynch Destiny.

Itinerary:

Today:

1. Lynch Destiny
2. Continue to pressure hellshock

Tomorrow:

1. Pressure myself
2. Pressure glot
3. Lynch Astil

Day after tomorrow:

1. Pressure MNN
2. ???
3. ???
4. Lynch either Cbot, Phenom or Antithesis - whichever has proven themselves scum by this point.

I don't really know after that. Let's try and play it by ear.

[Max Peck]

I don't think I ever consider how I appear to others when I post. There are so many ways to end up dead in mafia that an early lynch doesn't even register as a risk tbqh.

My thoughts on Astil are what they are. I don't know what to tell you. :o

Presently, I'd like to lynch him tomorrow and leave him alone entirely tonight.

My momma always said never put off til tommorow people you can kill today....

[Astil]

Because its shown you have been caught in a lie, and those two are each in their own way trying to deflect the lynch off you.

Reeks of conspiracy in my mind.

Well I can see that for Glot but not so much Kobe. Kobe's acting very townie to me.

[Kobe1724]

Today though we should lynch Destiny.

Itinerary:

Today:

1. Continue to pressure hellshock
2. Lynch Destiny

Tomorrow:

1. Pressure myself
2. Pressure glot
3. Lynch Astil

Day after tomorrow:

1. Pressure MNN
2. ???
3. ???
4. Lynch either Cbot, Phenom or Antithesis - whichever has proven themselves scum by this point.

I don't really know after that. Let's try and play it by ear.

Fixed itinerary.

[The Two]

My thoughts on Astil are what they are. I don't know what to tell you. :o
Your thoughts on him have changed 15 times in as many minutes.

Presently, I'd like to lynch him tomorrow and leave him alone entirely tonight.
:confused: What?

I actually think that tomorrow would be a good time to apply a high degree of pressure to both myself and glot, all things considered.
:confused: :confused: :confused: WHAT?

You. Make. No. Sense.

Uh, that makes no sense... why lynch Glot if you want to lynch me?
Try answering my questions, maybe we'll think differently about you.

[Midnightnick]

Today though we should lynch Destiny.

Itinerary:

Today:

1. Lynch Destiny
2. Continue to pressure hellshock

Tomorrow:

1. Pressure myself
2. Pressure glot
3. Lynch Astil

Day after tomorrow:

1. Pressure MNN
2. ???
3. ???
4. Lynch either Cbot, Phenom or Antithesis - whichever has proven themselves scum by this point.

I don't really know after that. Let's try and play it by ear.

All I know Kobe is I'll have another result tomorrow if I'm not blocked.

Can't provide you with much more besides that.

[Max Peck]

Your thoughts on him have changed 15 times in as many minutes.


:confused: What?


:confused: :confused: :confused: WHAT?

You. Make. No. Sense.


QFT

[Astil]

Your thoughts on him have changed 15 times in as many minutes.


:confused: What?


:confused: :confused: :confused: WHAT?

You. Make. No. Sense.


Try answering my questions, maybe we'll think differently about you.

How would answering things I've already laid out change the current landscape.

You have a guaranteed scum in Destiny. Why would you delay on lynching a scum.

You have a survivor who needs to accomplish a single goal. Why is this more dangerous than a scum found through a hider. Who is wiser to leave alive, me or Destiny?

[Max Peck]

How would answering things I've already laid out change the current landscape.

You have a guaranteed scum in Destiny. Why would you delay on lynching a scum.

You have a survivor who needs to accomplish a single goal. Why is this more dangerous than a scum found through a hider. Who is wiser to leave alive, me or Destiny?

Because we don't believe a word you have typed out yet Astil?

[Antithesis]

How would answering things I've already laid out change the current landscape.

You have a guaranteed scum in Destiny. Why would you delay on lynching a scum.

You have a survivor who needs to accomplish a single goal. Why is this more dangerous than a scum found through a hider. Who is wiser to leave alive, me or Destiny?

Whats that goal again? Kill a townie (Assuming I trust Glot now). Its stuff like this that will get you lynched. pretending to be open while hedging the entire time.

[The Two]

How would answering things I've already laid out change the current landscape.

You have a guaranteed scum in Destiny. Why would you delay on lynching a scum.

You have a survivor who needs to accomplish a single goal. Why is this more dangerous than a scum found through a hider. Who is wiser to leave alive, me or Destiny?
You gave us one story on D1 which it now turns out was a lie, you weren't who you claimed to be. That changes the landscape. Why would I assume your previous story was true if your claim wasn't.

I'm asking you to answer simple questions, such as why you lied in the first place, and what your intentions are now.

Trust me, killing Destiny is one of my favourite things to do in Mafia, and if lynching him seems the best direction, I'll be only too happy to throw my vote on him, but for now I want some answers from you.

[Astil]

Because we don't believe a word you have typed out yet Astil?

Nor should you, however don't you agree that ignoring results is a negative move for the town? How do you think you could keep me under wraps(hint: See nights 2 and 3). What scum roles could Destiny have that could harm you in the coming days (hint: he was in bed).

[Antithesis]

Nor should you, however don't you agree that ignoring results is a negative move for the town? How do you think you could keep me under wraps(hint: See nights 2 and 3). What scum roles could Destiny have that could harm you in the coming days (hint: he was in bed).

Why can't we just lynch you and keep Destiny under wraps?

[Kobe1724]

Your thoughts on him have changed 15 times in as many minutes.

I develop new theories that quickly sometimes. Or 1-2 post will change my opinion on something oftentimes.

:confused: What?

We should leave him alone tonight and then ask him what he did tomorrow. He's probably going to say that he didn't go anywhere given his claims so far.


:confused: :confused: :confused: WHAT?

You. Make. No. Sense.

I'm going to use my ability to target hellshock tonight. I dropped my line of questioning on him despite the fact that he gave nothing useful and came across as suspicious. The fact that I did this is probably fairly obvious to scum (or it is now at least), and there's a good chance they'll assume I'm going to target him in some way as a result and thus kill him if he's town. Since I'll be targeting him I should be fairly suspicious tomorrow if someone watches either of us.

On the other hand, if hellshock is scum then I imagine given his actions thus far that he's some sort of indy. He'll almost certainly attempt to kill me. I don't think his actions will be successful, but if he's scum he'll probably try. The night actions observed the following morning will cause good reason for the town to question both of us fairly rigorously.

As for glot, I don't want to share at this time.


Try answering my questions, maybe we'll think differently about you.

Astil probably isn't going to out his scum buddies if he has them. More importantly, however, they aren't coming to his aid which means they've hung him out to dry. In light of this I'd rather let him live today, but make certain he knows he will die tomorrow and see what he says he did during the evening come next day phase.

[The Two]

Nor should you, however don't you agree that ignoring results is a negative move for the town? How do you think you could keep me under wraps(hint: See nights 2 and 3). What scum roles could Destiny have that could harm you in the coming days (hint: he was in bed).
Hint: Quit evading and give us some straight answers or you're going to hang.

[Astil]

You gave us one story on D1 which it now turns out was a lie, you weren't who you claimed to be. That changes the landscape. Why would I assume your previous story was true if your claim wasn't.

I'm asking you to answer simple questions, such as why you lied in the first place, and what your intentions are now.

Trust me, killing Destiny is one of my favourite things to do in Mafia, and if lynching him seems the best direction, I'll be only too happy to throw my vote on him, but for now I want some answers from you.

My intention is the same as every single player here, to win.

Once I get to my end goal, I can stick around or leave the game.

If I do get my win I can stick around and help the town or leave if they think I am a distraction.

I have a question for you, besides Destiny and myself, who do you see as scummy (I am looking for a particular name here).

[Max Peck]

Nor should you, however don't you agree that ignoring results is a negative move for the town? How do you think you could keep me under wraps(hint: See nights 2 and 3). What scum roles could Destiny have that could harm you in the coming days (hint: he was in bed).

I know where Destiny was tyvm. As others have said, lynching Destiny is a good idea, but right now you are even better, as you are a liar at best, and at worst probably a bigger threat to town then Destiny.

[Astil]

Hint: Quit evading and give us some straight answers or you're going to hang.

Please, find the evasion in that post. I answered you next, so please remain patient. Last I checked I am not Superman, Good Aligned Man of Steel

[Astil]

I know where Destiny was tyvm. As others have said, lynching Destiny is a good idea, but right now you are even better, as you are a liar at best, and at worst probably a bigger threat to town then Destiny.

How so? I have been blocked the last two nights, and yet scum kills have gone on uninterrupted.

[Antithesis]

I develop new theories that quickly sometimes. Or 1-2 post will change my opinion on something oftentimes.



We should leave him alone tonight and then ask him what he did tomorrow. He's probably going to say that he didn't go anywhere given his claims so far.



I'm going to use my ability to target hellshock tonight. I dropped my line of questioning on him despite the fact that he gave nothing useful and came across as suspicious. The fact that I did this is probably fairly obvious to scum (or it is now at least), and there's a good chance they'll assume I'm going to target him in some way as a result and thus kill him if he's town. Since I'll be targeting him I should be fairly suspicious tomorrow if someone watches either of us.

On the other hand, if hellshock is scum then I imagine given his actions thus far that he's some sort of indy. He'll almost certainly attempt to kill me. I don't think his actions will be successful, but if he's scum he'll probably try. The night actions observed the following morning will cause good reason for the town to question both of us fairly rigorously.

As for glot, I don't want to share at this time.




Astil probably isn't going to out his scum buddies if he has them. More importantly, however, they aren't coming to his aid which means they've hung him out to dry. In light of this I'd rather let him live today, but make certain he knows he will die tomorrow and see what he says he did during the evening come next day phase.

If he wins the game by killing Smith, we leave him alone tonight he Will not be in the game tomorrow.

I don't understand how this is obvious to other newer players but you don't get it somehow. The idea itself is so silly, not even Astil will agree to it (he says we should block him tonight)

The fact you keep mentioning it makes you appear so stupendously scummy I'd be surprised if we didn't just decide to lynch you today instead and worry about Astil and Destiny later.

[Midnightnick]

If he wins the game by killing Smith, we leave him alone tonight he Will not be in the game tomorrow.

I don't understand how this is obvious to other newer players but you don't get it somehow. The idea itself is so silly, not even Astil will agree to it (he says we should block him tonight)

The fact you keep mentioning it makes you appear so stupendously scummy I'd be surprised if we didn't just decide to lynch you today instead and worry about Astil and Destiny later.

I wouldn't be against lynching Kobe.

If town? Kobe's doing nothing but opening too many warfronts. You can't wage a war on both ends.

If scum? Getting us distracted from teammates.

I don't trust Kobe.

[Kobe1724]

If he wins the game by killing Smith, we leave him alone tonight he Will not be in the game tomorrow.

I don't understand how this is obvious to other newer players but you don't get it somehow. The idea itself is so silly, not even Astil will agree to it (he says we should block him tonight)

The fact you keep mentioning it makes you appear so stupendously scummy I'd be surprised if we didn't just decide to lynch you today instead and worry about Astil and Destiny later.

All of the information is in front of you but you don't see. I'm not going to say anything, however, as it would run contrary to my objectives of seeing how certain events play out tonight.

[Kobe1724]

I wouldn't be against lynching Kobe.

If town? Kobe's doing nothing but opening too many warfronts. You can't wage a war on both ends.

If scum? Getting us distracted from teammates.

I don't trust Kobe.

Okay.

As I've said, please pressure me at will tomorrow. It should be a pretty good time to do so all things considered, actually.

For now though, I'd like to agree to leave Astil alone this evening and lynch him tomorrow. You guys can lynch me the day after if I don't check out, or better still kill me the night after this using the vig.

Thanks. ^_^

How many votes are on Destiny now, btw?

[Max Peck]

All of the information is in front of you but you don't see. I'm not going to say anything, however, as it would run contrary to my objectives of seeing how certain events play out tonight.

Very scum like hedge there, I am impressed!

Changevote.......

[Tha Black Phenom]

It's worth noting that I hope hellshock is not Michael Meyers. I like him a lot, he's one of my favorite people online.

Huh.

Kobe why are you calling HS, Michael Meyers? There are plenty of other characters besides MM that comes to my mind that he could be hinting at.

/nod

Today though we should lynch Destiny.

Itinerary:

Today:

1. Lynch Destiny
2. Continue to pressure hellshock

Tomorrow:

1. Pressure myself
2. Pressure glot
3. Lynch Astil

Day after tomorrow:

1. Pressure MNN
2. ???
3. ???
4. Lynch either Cbot, Phenom or Antithesis - whichever has proven themselves scum by this point.

I don't really know after that. Let's try and play it by ear.

Itineraries never work in mafia. Not even in a footnote kind of way. Things just happen(last game taught us that... MichiganHero), and if you have a plan in mind, bring it up when it's time.

Nearly 24 hours and the whole landscape changes. Astil looks dodgy now and Destiny not as innocent. I'd be leaning more towards lynching Astil than Destiny personally, but I shall wait until it's all on the table to assess.

[The Two]

My intention is the same as every single player here, to win.

Once I get to my end goal, I can stick around or leave the game.

If I do get my win I can stick around and help the town or leave if they think I am a distraction.

I have a question for you, besides Destiny and myself, who do you see as scummy (I am looking for a particular name here).
See, I don't believe that for a second. You say you have to find and kill one person and then win and you can choose to leave the game or stick around? No. You win, you leave. End of story. You can't choose to keep playing once you no longer have skin in the game.

Also, to be clear, are you still needing to hook up with Glot or was that all a lie? Any interest in Glot at all now?

Kobe's looking very scummy right now because I think she just claimed a power which will only kill townies. That's what she did as the SK in my game, so that rings alarm bells.

[Midnightnick]

Okay.

As I've said, please pressure me at will tomorrow. It should be a pretty good time to do so all things considered, actually.

For now though, I'd like to agree to leave Astil alone this evening and lynch him tomorrow. You guys can lynch me the day after if I don't check out, or better still kill me the night after this using the vig.

Thanks. ^_^

How many votes are on Destiny now, btw?

I am a fan of the bolded.

[Midnightnick]

Know what?

Change Vote: Kobe1724

LAD

Lynch All Distractions

[Kobe1724]

See, I don't believe that for a second. You say you have to find and kill one person and then win and you can choose to leave the game or stick around? No. You win, you leave. End of story. You can't choose to keep playing once you no longer have skin in the game.

Also, to be clear, are you still needing to hook up with Glot or was that all a lie? Any interest in Glot at all now?

Kobe's looking very scummy right now because I think she just claimed a power which will only kill townies. That's what she did as the SK in my game, so that rings alarm bells.

I don't have the ability to kill.

I'm saying I'm going to target hellshock, and that the scum will kill him tonight if he's town. Assuming someone watches either of us that won't look very good on me under that scenario so tomorrow should be a good time to question me. ^_^

[Astil]

See, I don't believe that for a second. You say you have to find and kill one person and then win and you can choose to leave the game or stick around? No. You win, you leave. End of story. You can't choose to keep playing once you no longer have skin in the game.

Also, to be clear, are you still needing to hook up with Glot or was that all a lie? Any interest in Glot at all now?

It's what I was told. /shrug

TBH I am leaning towards leaving, but hey if the town wants my scum hunting help, I'm willing to stick around "with no skin in the game" and help the town. Hell, after I win you can watch me sit around not target anyone.

[Kobe1724]

Huh.



/nod



Itineraries never work in mafia. Not even in a footnote kind of way. Things just happen(last game taught us that... MichiganHero), and if you have a plan in mind, bring it up when it's time.

Nearly 24 hours and the whole landscape changes. Astil looks dodgy now and Destiny not as innocent. I'd be leaning more towards lynching Astil than Destiny personally, but I shall wait until it's all on the table to assess.

You're probably right. I like that itinerary now, however. ^_^

[Max Peck]

Know what?

Change Vote: Kobe1724

LAD

Lynch All Distractions

You are falling into the distraction though.....

We should lynch Astil today for sure, and then look at other possibilities, including Kobe, manana.

[Kobe1724]

It's what I was told. /shrug

TBH I am leaning towards leaving, but hey if the town wants my scum hunting help, I'm willing to stick around "with no skin in the game" and help the town. Hell, after I win you can watch me sit around not target anyone.

Just so we're clear, you're saying that you can leave after tonight if you like?

[Astil]

Destiny claimed if he gets to L-1 he gets lynched. Why not test it?

[Astil]

Just so we're clear, you're saying that you can leave after tonight if you like?

If I win tonight.

[hellshock70]

In all seriousness I'll try to be available at 11pm. my wife just got home and we're having a deep family discussion that may have some serious implications for the week/weekend.

If you're gonna pressure me do it then or wait because the news we just got could result in me either being inactive for a day or two or UT replacing me.

[Kobe1724]

You are falling into the distraction though.....

We should lynch Astil today for sure, and then look at other possibilities, including Kobe, manana.

Let's lynch Astil tomorrow.

Actually, if you guys really want to then we can pressure me now, lynch Destiny after and then lynch Astil tomorrow.

[Astil]

You are falling into the distraction though.....

We should lynch Astil today for sure, and then look at other possibilities, including Kobe, manana.

You concern me, that you'd lynch a role you can control over a role you don't know.

[hellshock70]

In all seriousness I'll try to be available at 11pm. my wife just got home and we're having a deep family discussion that may have some serious implications for the week/weekend.

If you're gonna pressure me do it then or wait because the news we just got could result in me either being inactive for a day or two or UT replacing me.

this would also mean delaying the draft and finding someone in evony to watch my account there.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Technically speaking, you always have to fall into a distraction to get rid of it.

[Kobe1724]

In all seriousness I'll try to be available at 11pm. my wife just got home and we're having a deep family discussion that may have some serious implications for the week/weekend.

If you're gonna pressure me do it then or wait because the news we just got could result in me either being inactive for a day or two or UT replacing me.

Okay. I wish you the best. Let us know when you're online and we can get to the bottom of this name discrepancy. ^_^

[The Two]

It's what I was told. /shrug

TBH I am leaning towards leaving, but hey if the town wants my scum hunting help, I'm willing to stick around "with no skin in the game" and help the town. Hell, after I win you can watch me sit around not target anyone.
And what if you were to get lynched after you "win"? What happens then? Do you lose? That's what I mean about having no skin in the game. If you've met your win condition, you have nothing to play for, no reason to help the town win because it makes no difference to your win or loss.

[Max Peck]

You concern me, that you'd lynch a role you can control over a role you don't know.

I concern you because I am not falling for your line of manure you mean.....

[Kobe1724]

I just don't understand why we're still bothering Astil. He can't give us anymore info about himself than he already has, and his scum buddies (if they exist) aren't sticking their necks out for him. He's obviously lying and should be lynched. But Destiny should also be lynched so let's get rid of him instead and then see what happens with Astil tonight. ^_^

[Midnightnick]

I just don't understand why we're still bothering Astil. He can't give us anymore info about himself than he already has, and his scum buddies (if they exist) aren't sticking their necks out for him. He's obviously lying and should be lynched. But Destiny should also be lynched so let's get rid of him instead and then see what happens with Astil tonight. ^_^

Theory time.

You're scum with Astil and/or Destiny.

You aren't below bussing.

[Astil]

And what if you were to get lynched after you "win"? What happens then? Do you lose? That's what I mean about having no skin in the game. If you've met your win condition, you have nothing to play for, no reason to help the town win because it makes no difference to your win or loss.

The town wastes a day, kind of like if you where to lynch me now. The only difference is if I win or lose.

Of course I would be a body. Could keep the scum from winning if they have to outnumber all other players. Could not if they only have to outnumber Good.

I concern you because I am not falling for your line of manure you mean.....

No, sorry, that's not quite right. What I meant is you can control me, and would rather keep Destiny, who you cannot control, alive.

[iMac]

God that was an interesting read. If Inadvertant is right, then I'm more inclined to lynch Destiny tbh.

[Kobe1724]

Theory time.

You're scum with Astil and/or Destiny.

You aren't below bussing.

Okay, let's get this out of the way.

Substantiate? Or elaborate?

[Astil]

Once again, why not at least test Destiny's claim? It is easily testable.

[Kobe1724]

Be back in 5-7 minutes btw. I have to help my parents with grocery unpacking (home for summer internship).

[Midnightnick]

Okay, let's get this out of the way.

Substantiate? Or elaborate?

You see how it's going on with both of their situations.

You lead a crusade against them.

Option A) You're with Astil. Being with Astil explains why you want to wait a day to lynch him.

Option B) You're with Destiny, you want to get him out now so you appear town.

[Midnightnick]

Once again, why not at least test Destiny's claim? It is easily testable.

Lynching you, Destiny or Kobe all appeal to me. It's what the general public wants.

[Max Peck]

I just don't understand why we're still bothering Astil. He can't give us anymore info about himself than he already has, and his scum buddies (if they exist) aren't sticking their necks out for him. He's obviously lying and should be lynched. But Destiny should also be lynched so let's get rid of him instead and then see what happens with Astil tonight. ^_^

I am of the belief that EVERYTHING that Astil has said is a poorly crafted and even more poorly executed lie, and if by that rationale everything he said is false, then we know NOTHING about him other than the fact that he is a liar.

[Astil]

I am of the belief that EVERYTHING that Astil has said is a poorly crafted and even more poorly executed lie, and if by that rationale everything he said is false, then we know NOTHING about him other than the fact that he is a liar.

Excuse me, but let's remain civil.

[Undertaker666]

Vote Count:

Astil: 7 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, The Two, Max Peck)
supermareo: 1 (Comradebot)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)
Kobe1724: 1 (Midnightnick)

It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be declared.

[Max Peck]

Excuse me, but let's remain civil.

There was nothing uncivil in that post.

[Comradebot]

My intention is the same as every single player here, to win.
Once I get to my end goal, I can stick around or leave the game.

If I do get my win I can stick around and help the town or leave if they think I am a distraction.

I have a question for you, besides Destiny and myself, who do you see as scummy (I am looking for a particular name here).

Please, find the evasion in that post. I answered you next, so please remain patient. Last I checked I am not Superman, Good Aligned Man of Steel

I think part of the evasion is the fact you said your win condition is to win. That's like saying your goal for taking a leak is to pee.


Anywhooo... I think Destiny OR Astil work just fine today. Obviously no way of knowing which is more dangerous until after the game, but as far as I'm concerned they both need to hang sooner rather than later.

Kobe, how cute... let's consider lynching the guy who tried to stop yall from stringing up a protector. Though considering how accurate your scumdar was in CFC, I take it was an honor that I've managed to fool it.

Last... supermareo. Love how your acknowledgement of me is asking for the scum tell... now why on earth would I reveal a thing like that? To help scum make sure they don't make the same mistake? You know what that reeks of? Arrows in Lakeside. In your defense, we do have two surefire lynches waiting in the wings so it's not like I have any leverage on you. "Answer my questions or I'll see to it you're lynched in three days if I'm still alive!" usually isn't motivation. It's why GM told OLF to frak off in DBZ (and GM was the biggest of the bads!)

But reading up on Shoot em' up... yeah, Karl Hertz sounds like a real son of a female dog. I can't see anyway it's healthy for us to have him running around, especially considering Astil lied about it from the start.

Astil or Destiny, don't care which, both are scum. (Remember, Astil was one of the two folks who REALLY attacked me for trying to keep our protector alive!)

Which is enough for me.

Change Vote: Astil

You lied about who you were (and are, in fact, the big piece of scum you said you'd help us kill), you pushed hard for a protector to get lynched, and even tried to throw attention at someone as innocent as me in an attempt to help push that lynch through.

supermareo, I've got my eye on you.

[Kobe1724]

I am of the belief that EVERYTHING that Astil has said is a poorly crafted and even more poorly executed lie, and if by that rationale everything he said is false, then we know NOTHING about him other than the fact that he is a liar.

Sure he is. I just want to lynch him tomorrow.

[Kobe1724]

You see how it's going on with both of their situations.

You lead a crusade against them.

Option A) You're with Astil. Being with Astil explains why you want to wait a day to lynch him.

Option B) You're with Destiny, you want to get him out now so you appear town.

A. This of course makes no sense. If I'm scum I'm merely delaying the inevitable aren't I? Why go to such great lengths to save him for a day.

B. This has some teeth to it, but if that's the case what's the harm in lynching him. As I said, we can always pressure me tomorrow.

[Max Peck]

Why wait though, that makes no sense? He dodged a bullet the first lynch attempt on him and we blew it, I don't think it's wise to make that mistake again...

[Kobe1724]

Kobe, how cute... let's consider lynching the guy who tried to stop yall from stringing up a protector. Though considering how accurate your scumdar was in CFC, I take it was an honor that I've managed to fool it.

:confused:

[Max Peck]

Anyways, work looms, hopefully town comes to their senses and does the right thing.

[Comradebot]

:confused:

Did you already forget your own itinerary... that you made... where it says to lynch me possibly in a few days :rolleyes:

[Astil]

...

Quote cut, read it above.

I did lay off of you, and you are implying I was leading that push. I wasn't the one who provided the information on that (neither where you).

You are town, so you have a lot of weight in this. Think carefully. Lynching me wastes a day, 100%. You accomplish nothing at all. You can keep me under wraps (and have!) at night. You cannot do this for Destiny.

[Astil]

Speaking of OLF, did he get results N3?

[Comradebot]

Quote cut, read it above.

I did lay off of you, and you are implying I was leading that push. I wasn't the one who provided the information on that (neither where you).

You are town, so you have a lot of weight in this. Think carefully. Lynching me wastes a day, 100%. You accomplish nothing at all. You can keep me under wraps (and have!) at night. You cannot do this for Destiny.

Then why lie? Why bother with the deception in the first place, if for no other reason to waste our time on you? Why keep using our resources to keep you under when we could potentially use those same resources to locate other scum? What if something happens to Jaded to prevent him from keeping you under wraps and you manage to wiggle free and add his body to the pile tomorrow night? Lynching Destiny... well, probably help squeeze the red down a bit more. But it probably won't prevent a kill from happening anytime soon.

Honestly Astil, if this was late game and I knew we needed to start cutting into folks we're SURE are part of a larger mafia group, I might be willing to deal with you. I say we lynch you today, and you have no one to blame but yourself for it. And as it is, we have Destiny dead to rights at this point, and already a pair of scum in the graveyard. I just can't think of any justification for keeping you around, the least of which being you still haven't stated what's required of you to win (since it's, probably, the killing of one or two townies).

[Astil]

Then why lie? Why bother with the deception in the first place, if for no other reason to waste our time on you? Why keep using our resources to keep you under when we could potentially use those same resources to locate other scum? What if something happens to Jaded to prevent him from keeping you under wraps and you manage to wiggle free and add his body to the pile tomorrow night? Lynching Destiny... well, probably help squeeze the red down a bit more. But it probably won't prevent a kill from happening anytime soon.

Honestly Astil, if this was late game and I knew we needed to start cutting into folks we're SURE are part of a larger mafia group, I might be willing to deal with you. I say we lynch you today, and you have no one to blame but yourself for it. And as it is, we have Destiny dead to rights at this point, and already a pair of scum in the graveyard. I just can't think of any justification for keeping you around, the least of which being you still haven't stated what's required of you to win (since it's, probably, the killing of one or two townies).

Just one.

[iMac]

Bah. I'm going to bed. We're almost spoiled for choice here. But I'm gonna go for...

Vote: Astil

Night everyone!

[Astil]

/shrug

You guys are wasting a day phase.

You can control me with Jaded. You choose not to.

[Kobe1724]

Why wait though, that makes no sense? He dodged a bullet the first lynch attempt on him and we blew it, I don't think it's wise to make that mistake again...

Okay, although this removes some of our options because no Astil can weigh the pros and cons of each option (as can the scum):

1. If he succeeds in his goal (and is miraculously telling the truth) then we get rid of this mysterious scum he needs to kill to leave the game and also don't waste the day phase killing someone that isn't a negative to us. Killing him if he really is a neutral indy only hurts us because it's another day that the cult maybe grows (if they can without Vlad) and that we lose 2-3 town.

2. If he's a SK he'd have to be insane to do a kill tonight. While it's possible no one targets him/watches him tonight (for the precise reason that I wanted him to consider this a possibility I kept asking that everyone leave him alone under the assumption it wouldn't happen but he might believe it to be the case - creating doubt in his mind on the proper course of action) the odds that happens are slim. If he's the SK and kills the probability of him surviving drops from slim to nilch. He knows this, and so if he's the SK he probably stays in. Which brings us to...

3. If he's indy/scum and can kill but doesn't do anything tonight then depending on how many kills are done against the town tomorrow it might prove he's some sort of killer. i.e. if he's the SK and doesn't go out tonight for fear of being watched and then we only have one kill tomorrow he looks awfully suspicious. In this scenario we still killed Destiny and now have firm evidence he's the SK.

4. If he's part of a scum group and decides to do one more kill before going out then he'll still be watched in all likelihood and then sign his own death warrant tomorrow. We get 1 for 1 plus a scum kill in Destiny today which is a huge net positive for us.

5. If he's indy/scum, doesn't go out and we still have the normal number of kills and someone watched him then he looks suspicious because... well why wouldn't he go out given his win condition? We then know his lies are of a malicious nature and lynch.

6. If he's indy/scum, goes out, is watched and we still have the normal kill totals then we have a possibility he's telling the truth and have an asset on our hands. Unlikely, but the possibility exist (although we wanted him to think his death was certain so that we had the element of surprise in that the scum couldn't get his likely actions in the event what he is saying is true).

Thanks for making me explain all that. :rolleyes:

[Undertaker666]

Vote Count:

Astil: 9 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, The Two, Max Peck, Comradebot, iMac)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)
Kobe1724: 1 (Midnightnick)

It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be declared.

[Kobe1724]

Did you already forget your own itinerary... that you made... where it says to lynch me possibly in a few days :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, the probability of you being scum is 55%. The probability of you and Phenom both being scum is around 20%.

[Astil]

Oh yeah, the probability of you being scum is 55%. The probability of you and Phenom both being scum is around 20%.

Na...nandeska?

[Kobe1724]

Okay, although this removes some of our options because no Astil can weigh the pros and cons of each option (as can the scum):

should be:

Okay, although this removes some of our options because now Astil can weigh the pros and cons of each option (as can the scum):


6. If he's indy/scum, goes out, is watched and we still have the normal kill totals then we have a possibility he's telling the truth and have an asset on our hands. Unlikely, but the possibility exist (although we wanted him to think his death was certain so that we had the element of surprise in that the scum couldn't get his likely actions in the event what he is saying is true).

should be:


6. If he's indy/scum, goes out, is watched and we still have the normal kill totals then we have a possibility he's telling the truth and have an asset on our hands. Unlikely, but the possibility exist (although we wanted him to think his death was certain so that we had the element of surprise in that the scum couldn't gguess his likely actions in the event what he is saying is true).

[Paws7297]

Oh yeah, the probability of you being scum is 55%. The probability of you and Phenom both being scum is around 20%.

Did I miss something here?

I haven't seen anything scummy from c-bot. Plus, he tried to keep us from mis-lynching a protecter.

[Astil]

I have to go to bed. Hopefully the Good will avoid a knee jerk reaction, USE THE WHOLE DAY, and think what I am presenting through.

You blocked me N2 and N3. People still died.

I targeted Glotnot N1. Glotnot's still here.

From that you can assume I am not a Don, SK, Hitman.

Why lynch me then?

Please let the facts do the arguing.

[Kobe1724]

Did I miss something here?

I haven't seen anything scummy from c-bot. Plus, he tried to keep us from mis-lynching a protecter.

Let's not lose focus here. Lynching Destiny is currently mission 1. Questioning hellshock is as well, but we can push that back given that he has some personal issues to deal with atm.

[Kobe1724]

I don't want to share my thoughts about C-Bot at this time. That's a few days down the line btw.

[Paws7297]

Let's not lose focus here. Lynching Destiny is currently mission 1. Questioning hellshock is as well, but we can push that back given that he has some personal issues to deal with atm.

You're the one losing focus, not making any sense, and confusing me. I don't trust you.

Astil, are you looking for a specific person and if you target anyone else they don't die?

[Kobe1724]

I have to go to bed. Hopefully the Good will avoid a knee jerk reaction, USE THE WHOLE DAY, and think what I am presenting through.

You blocked me N2 and N3. People still died.

I targeted Glotnot N1. Glotnot's still here.

From that you can assume I am not a Don, SK, Hitman.

Why lynch me then?

Please let the facts do the arguing.

If I have anything to say about it we won't kill you till tomorrow. ^_^

[Kobe1724]

You're the one losing focus, not making any sense, and confusing me. I don't trust you.

Astil, are you looking for a specific person and if you target anyone else they don't die?

*Sigh...

[Antithesis]

I don't have the ability to kill.

I'm saying I'm going to target hellshock, and that the scum will kill him tonight if he's town. Assuming someone watches either of us that won't look very good on me under that scenario so tomorrow should be a good time to question me. ^_^

Why would scum kill anyone if he was being watched?

[Antithesis]

/shrug

You guys are wasting a day phase.

You can control me with Jaded. You choose not to.

Can you you be completely certain otehr scum won't mess with jaded?

Maybe you guys should talk it over and then come back and tell us they promised to leave Jaded alone. :rolleyes:

[Antithesis]

The town wastes a day, kind of like if you where to lynch me now. The only difference is if I win or lose.

Of course I would be a body. Could keep the scum from winning if they have to outnumber all other players. Could not if they only have to outnumber Good.



No, sorry, that's not quite right. What I meant is you can control me, and would rather keep Destiny, who you cannot control, alive.

If you were so worried about the town wasting a day, you should have told the truth D1...

[Antithesis]

Townies, think about this..

Two possible scum groups... think we'd really be splitting the vote over an indy?

[Kobe1724]

Why would scum kill anyone if he was being watched?

I don't understand your question.

Let me try and help you by clarifying my position:

I'm going to target hellshock tonight. I've made that obvious even before now (deliberately). I figure if hellshock is town the scum will kill him to frame me given that I've announced what I'm going to do. Otherwise, if hellshock is scum my targeting him should make for some interesting day conversation that ultimately will see us both heavily questioned.

[Kobe1724]

Guys, we're going to kill Astil tomorrow. Let's just agree on that and move on.

[Paws7297]

I don't want to share my thoughts about C-Bot at this time. That's a few days down the line btw.

I don't understand your question.

Let me try and help you by clarifying my position:

I'm going to target hellshock tonight. I've made that obvious even before now (deliberately). I figure if hellshock is town the scum will kill him to frame me given that I've announced what I'm going to do. Otherwise, if hellshock is scum my targeting him should make for some interesting day conversation that ultimately will see us both heavily questioned.

Why would scum kill someone who is being watched?

[Kobe1724]

Vote Count:

Astil: 9 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, The Two, Max Peck, Comradebot, iMac)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)
Kobe1724: 1 (Midnightnick)

It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be declared.

The vote isn't really split. Astil is trying to save his own neck. I've explained my rationale and the other two people on Destiny are pretty random. Everyone else is all over Astil.

MNN just thinks I'm scum because he's hurt I think he's scum.

[Kobe1724]

Why would scum kill someone who is being watched?

Who's watching hellshock? Are you assuming I'm a watcher? :confused: Maybe I said that and that's the reason. :o Otherwise I don't know why you'd assume that. :)

[hellshock70]

Okay. I wish you the best. Let us know when you're online and we can get to the bottom of this name discrepancy. ^_^

On-line and a pm has been sent to have a replacement ready if/when needed.

Make it quick while I've still got it together.

[Kobe1724]

On-line and a pm has been sent to have a replacement ready if/when needed.

Make it quick while I've still got it together.

If you want to talk about it shoot me a pm. I hope everything is okay. :(

As for your character, a hint on some iteration of the characters 1st name (real name of the actor) would be good.

[hellshock70]

If you want to talk about it shoot me a pm. I hope everything is okay. :(

As for your character, a hint on some iteration of the characters 1st name (real name of the actor) would be good.

Ian

[Kobe1724]

Ian

That's his actual name or a hint?

[hellshock70]

Serious, please lay everything out now that needs to be answered while i haves some semblance of control.

[hellshock70]

That's his actual name or a hint?

Actual Name as far as I can tell

[Kobe1724]

Serious, please lay everything out now that needs to be answered while i haves some semblance of control.

If now isn't a good time then be with your family.

Real life always comes first.

Really.

[Kobe1724]

Actual Name as far as I can tell

And this is your character or another iteration of the character?

[Antithesis]

I have to go to bed. Hopefully the Good will avoid a knee jerk reaction, USE THE WHOLE DAY, and think what I am presenting through.

You blocked me N2 and N3. People still died.

I targeted Glotnot N1. Glotnot's still here.

From that you can assume I am not a Don, SK, Hitman.

Why lynch me then?

Please let the facts do the arguing.

Aight. Despite Kobe trying her best to muddle this entire situation I do think now you are an Indy. You were seen going to Glot N1 (so you're eitehr an Indy or a scum protector and Glots the Don and you drew all this attention to yourselves D1... I doubt that).

You should have died D1, but trying to get these people to do a D1 lynch is like trying to get MLT to cheer for the Miz, it just doesn't happen.

Honestly, since its Glot's life I'd ask him. If you get loose he's the one that would die (assuming you are honest now, which I doubt).

But either way, if he feels like he can't trust you living another night in this game, then lynching you is fine with me.

[Antithesis]

I don't understand your question.

Let me try and help you by clarifying my position:

I'm going to target hellshock tonight. I've made that obvious even before now (deliberately). I figure if hellshock is town the scum will kill him to frame me given that I've announced what I'm going to do. Otherwise, if hellshock is scum my targeting him should make for some interesting day conversation that ultimately will see us both heavily questioned.

Hellshock is A

You are B

Watcher is C

Scum killer is D

B and D Target A, target A dies... C Sees B and D target A.

D having common sense, will not target A if C is watching, no matter how much you wish it to be so. Ergo you're plan is pointless.


(BTW you are assuming the town has a watcher, no one's claimed that yet, iirc)

[Kobe1724]

Hellshock is A

You are B

Watcher is C

Scum killer is D

B and D Target A, target A dies... C Sees B and D target A.

D having common sense, will not target A if C is watching, no matter how much you wish it to be so. Ergo you're plan is pointless.


(BTW you are assuming the town has a watcher, no one's claimed that yet, iirc)

Why are we assuming someone is watching hellshock? You're the first person to postulate this. I've said I'm going to target hellshock, but I never claimed watcher. I have no idea why you're assuming that I am one, frankly.

[hellshock70]

And this is your character or another iteration of the character?

He played my character as far as I can tell but isn't the original from the original series.

[Kobe1724]

If you're assuming that I'm assuming someone else is a watcher and that person will be watching hellshock... well I don't know where you got that from. :o

[Antithesis]

I develop new theories that quickly sometimes. Or 1-2 post will change my opinion on something oftentimes.



We should leave him alone tonight and then ask him what he did tomorrow. He's probably going to say that he didn't go anywhere given his claims so far.



I'm going to use my ability to target hellshock tonight. I dropped my line of questioning on him despite the fact that he gave nothing useful and came across as suspicious. The fact that I did this is probably fairly obvious to scum (or it is now at least), and there's a good chance they'll assume I'm going to target him in some way as a result and thus kill him if he's town. Since I'll be targeting him I should be fairly suspicious tomorrow if someone watches either of us.
On the other hand, if hellshock is scum then I imagine given his actions thus far that he's some sort of indy. He'll almost certainly attempt to kill me. I don't think his actions will be successful, but if he's scum he'll probably try. The night actions observed the following morning will cause good reason for the town to question both of us fairly rigorously.

As for glot, I don't want to share at this time.




Astil probably isn't going to out his scum buddies if he has them. More importantly, however, they aren't coming to his aid which means they've hung him out to dry. In light of this I'd rather let him live today, but make certain he knows he will die tomorrow and see what he says he did during the evening come next day phase.

You mentioned watching...

[hellshock70]

Hellshock is A

You are B

Watcher is C

Scum killer is D

B and D Target A, target A dies... C Sees B and D target A.

D having common sense, will not target A if C is watching, no matter how much you wish it to be so. Ergo you're plan is pointless.


(BTW you are assuming the town has a watcher, no one's claimed that yet, iirc)

and target A goes boom :P

bet you didn't have that in your scenario?

[Kobe1724]

He played my character as far as I can tell but isn't the original from the original series.

And you also aren't the original. So there are three versions:

Ian
The original
You

Correct? Ian played the same character that you played, which is the original?

[Antithesis]

I don't have the ability to kill.

I'm saying I'm going to target hellshock, and that the scum will kill him tonight if he's town. Assuming someone watches either of us that won't look very good on me under that scenario so tomorrow should be a good time to question me. ^_^

Wha

What's that?

Someone Watching?!?!

I can't believe it!! Where would I get the idea that Kobe mentioned a watcher from?

[hellshock70]

And you also aren't the original. So there are three versions:

Ian
The original
You

Correct? Ian played the same character that you played, which is the original?

No as far as i can tell Ian played me

[Kobe1724]

You mentioned watching...

I said if someone watches us. ^_^

Again, all I've said is that if someone watches us tomorrow then I could come up suspicious since I suspect that if hellshock is town he'll be killed tonight and I'll be targeting him.

I didn't say the scum would assume someone would be watching him (in which case as you said, why would they kill him?).

If he's scum, we should have some sort of fireworks that should see us having some animated discussion tomorrow. At some point the convo will then come back on me, obviously. ^_^

[Kobe1724]

Wha

What's that?

Someone Watching?!?!

I can't believe it!! Where would I get the idea that Kobe mentioned a watcher from?

For someone interested in catching scum you're awfully caught up in semantics.

Frankly, none of what you're fixated on is relevant to anything. I'm postulating reasons that I suspect and am willing to be a subject of pressure tomorrow. You are attacking those reasons. Why?

[Antithesis]

I said if someone watches us. ^_^

Again, all I've said is that if someone watches us tomorrow then I could come up suspicious since I suspect that if hellshock is town he'll be killed tonight and I'll be targeting him.

I didn't say the scum would assume someone would be watching him (in which case as you said, why would they kill him?).

If he's scum, we should have some sort of fireworks that should see us having some animated discussion tomorrow. At some point the convo will then come back on me, obviously. ^_^

Well of course you said If... most conditional arguments don't work without an If...

Your argument was if X then Y. I pointed out X wouldn't happen, so there was no need stressing Y.

Geez.

[Paws7297]

No as far as i can tell Ian played me

What? I'm confused

First you said Ian was your char now your saying Ian played your char? Isn't your name the first part of your role title in the first line of your pm? But your not sure of who you are?

:confused: sorry if I seem to be missing alot. That's what 7 hours straight of swimming does to you.

[Kobe1724]

Back to the original subject.

There is no good reason to lynch Astil today. Let's lynch Destiny and deal with Astil tomorrow. I've explained why above.

[Kobe1724]

Well of course you said If... most conditional arguments don't work without an If...

Your argument was if X then Y. I pointed out X wouldn't happen, so there was no need stressing Y.

Geez.

See post 2156.

[Kobe1724]

What? I'm confused

First you said Ian was your char now your saying Ian played your char? Isn't your name the first part of your role title in the first line of your pm? But your not sure of who you are?

:confused: sorry if I seem to be missing alot. That's what 7 hours straight of swimming does to you.

Ian is the 1st name of the actor that played his character.

[Antithesis]

For someone interested in catching scum you're awfully caught up in semantics.

Frankly, none of what you're fixated on is relevant to anything. I'm postulating reasons that I suspect and am willing to be a subject of pressure tomorrow. You are attacking those reasons. Why?

Its not semnatics. Its the structure of logical arguments, which I paid good money to study. (Thus my interest).

To relate it to the game, my experience, scum make illogical arguments. (Thus my interest...)

[hellshock70]

If you want to talk about it shoot me a pm. I hope everything is okay. :(

As for your character, a hint on some iteration of the characters 1st name (real name of the actor) would be good.

right here

[hellshock70]

What? I'm confused

First you said Ian was your char now your saying Ian played your char? Isn't your name the first part of your role title in the first line of your pm? But your not sure of who you are?

:confused: sorry if I seem to be missing alot. That's what 7 hours straight of swimming does to you.

you missed a post or two

[Kobe1724]

right here

Okay, awesome. Ian is the real name of the actor that plays your character. There have been at least two other people that have played the character, which spans several generations. Got it. ^_^

[Antithesis]

Okay, awesome. Ian is the real name of the actor that plays your character. There have been at least two other people that have played the character, which spans several generations. Got it. ^_^

Who else have you targetted so far? Which nights.

[Comradebot]

Kobe, did you even read my post earlier?

Lynch Destiny, we at best are probably a step closer to possibly preventing a regular night kill.

Lynch Astil, we guarantee he can't harm anyone, and in no way will he cause an extra townie body to be added to the graveyard. Heck, maybe he has to "locate" his target one night and kill them another.

It isn't rocket science. This early in the game, we do what we can to mitigate the number of kills. And if it turns out Astil is part of a larger scum group, then there's absolutely no difference that we can ascertain.

Lynching Astil, again, guarantees he can't kill AND frees up folks like Jaded to focus their attentions on people we haven't confirmed to be scum or town. Why waste resources and risk a life when we can be done with him? If you can give me a good answer to that, I'll back down.

Best case scenario: Destiny is a Don. We'd prevent a kill tonight, and they start again tomorrow if we lynch him today. We lynch him tomorrow, and we prevent a kill that night before they start again the next day. Same net gain.

[Paws7297]

right here

Ah. I see it now :cool:

As for the Astil business I believe him right now.

And it'd probably be better to lynch Destiny...............

Or Kobe

[hellshock70]

Okay, awesome. Ian is the real name of the actor that plays your character. There have been at least two other people that have played the character, which spans several generations. Got it. ^_^

Sort of. My count is a little higher after research. And not actually me but my brothers. We're like the Baldwins.

[Kobe1724]

Its not semnatics. Its the structure of logical arguments, which I paid good money to study. (Thus my interest).

To relate it to the game, my experience, scum make illogical arguments. (Thus my interest...)

I suppose this is serving my purposes, so lets continue.

I have reason to believe that me targeting hellshock could bring me under a close line of questioning in the future (regardless of what his alignment is) due to the fact that it's already known what my plans are. A watcher may or may not contribute to this.

[Kobe1724]

Who else have you targetted so far? Which nights.

I answered this several post back. I'm not going to be elitist and will instead just repost it:

http://67.19.230.90/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=1108455&postcount=1712

[Glotnot]

I'm not after you. I cannot target you anymore.

Then who are you after.

I gotta start keeping notes :D

Yeah me too.

N1 : Astil, targeted Glotnot

N2 : Astil, did not go out that night

N3 : MichiganHero, targeted Destiny

You're a good watcher.

We should lynch Astil today, Kobe or Glot tommorow.....imho that is.

Why.

Because its shown you have been caught in a lie, and those two are each in their own way trying to deflect the lynch off you.

Reeks of conspiracy in my mind.

Your mind is wrong. That would be good play in the immediate, but terrible in the long run when names are dwindling down.

See, I don't believe that for a second. You say you have to find and kill one person and then win and you can choose to leave the game or stick around? No. You win, you leave. End of story. You can't choose to keep playing once you no longer have skin in the game.


See, I believe the choose to leave part. That's happened in other games. I don't get why THAT is the hard part to believe. I mean, of all the parts.

Once again, why not at least test Destiny's claim? It is easily testable.

No. No it's not. For the same reasons I listed in DBZ. xP

Just one.

...who.

Did you need to find me, and now that you've found me, kill me?

Seriously. Not cool.

[Kobe1724]

Kobe, did you even read my post earlier?

Lynch Destiny, we at best are probably a step closer to possibly preventing a regular night kill.

Lynch Astil, we guarantee he can't harm anyone, and in no way will he cause an extra townie body to be added to the graveyard. Heck, maybe he has to "locate" his target one night and kill them another.

It isn't rocket science. This early in the game, we do what we can to mitigate the number of kills. And if it turns out Astil is part of a larger scum group, then there's absolutely no difference that we can ascertain.

Lynching Astil, again, guarantees he can't kill AND frees up folks like Jaded to focus their attentions on people we haven't confirmed to be scum or town. Why waste resources and risk a life when we can be done with him? If you can give me a good answer to that, I'll back down.

Best case scenario: Destiny is a Don. We'd prevent a kill tonight, and they start again tomorrow if we lynch him today. We lynch him tomorrow, and we prevent a kill that night before they start again the next day. Same net gain.

I'm tired of arguing. I presented my argument for keeping Astil alive one more night a few post back (a pretty long one, actually). Lynch Astil if you want. I'm not going to vote against him until next phase.

[Antithesis]

I answered this several post back. I'm not going to be elitist and will instead just repost it:

http://67.19.230.90/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=1108455&postcount=1712

Of course you won't be Elitist, you have to be a Multiple Time Scummy Award Winner for that...

[Antithesis]

Then who are you after.



Yeah me too.



You're a good watcher.



Why.



Your mind is wrong. That would be good play in the immediate, but terrible in the long run when names are dwindling down.



See, I believe the choose to leave part. That's happened in other games. I don't get why THAT is the hard part to believe. I mean, of all the parts.



No. No it's not. For the same reasons I listed in DBZ. xP



...who.

Did you need to find me, and now that you've found me, kill me?

Seriously. Not cool.

I believe you are Astil's intended target (assuming half of what he is now saying is true)

Do you wnat to risk him being around this next night phase or not?

[Kobe1724]

Of course you won't be Elitist, you have to be a Multiple Time Scummy Award Winner for that...

I don't think I'd like being scum, actually. Instead of trying to solve cases I'd be trying to purposefully deceive. :rolleyes:

[Antithesis]

I don't think I'd like being scum, actually. Instead of trying to solve cases I'd be trying to purposefully deceive. :rolleyes:

Why don't you sign up for my training game?

I'll make a special role just for you. :D

[Kobe1724]

Why don't you sign up for my training game?

I'll make a special role just for you. :D

lol I'll do it. ^_^

I think hellshock is claiming Bilbo Baggins btw, but don't know that I believe him quite yet.

[Kobe1724]

I think I'm going to go to bed. :)

[hellshock70]

I don't think I'd like being scum, actually. Instead of trying to solve cases I'd be trying to purposefully deceive. :rolleyes:

Actually IMO you are in a prime position right now for that.

What better place to out people who don't show up in the scum camps. Drag enough out which I believe to be the case last night phase with 3 kills instead of 2. Not too fond of the death ratio when it comes to claims on any side.

Not saying you are scum but it is a real good position (check DBZ)

[Jaded]

Astil and kobe both need to die. Destiny's claim sounds believable but if mh ws seen hiding behind him then he sounds like someone to get rid of as well. Personal preference is lynch astil...

[Glotnot]

I believe you are Astil's intended target (assuming half of what he is now saying is true)

Do you wnat to risk him being around this next night phase or not?

So long as he answers himself, I'll be fine with it.

[Antithesis]

Gabbo flown under anyone else's radar lately?

[hellshock70]

Gabbo flown under anyone else's radar lately?

I think i made a gobble gobble comment not too long ago.

[hellshock70]

If I'm right... the scream is the vampire cult kill. They killed Arrows N1, killed Shape N2 (dueling scum groups)

Blades is the SK. Killed Petrija N1, Blocked/met a protector N2

Acid is the Corleone kill. For some reason didn't drop their target N1, killed MLT N2.

A Vig?

She said she couldn't get to gabbo N1.

Assumed a roleblock but maybe Gabbo has a protector in his pocket...

Might be a HUGE stretch.

Gobble, gobble. Maybe Gabbo, Gabbo .......... Protecting a nice thanksgiving turkey. :p

Sorry, alcohol + Gabbo = gobble = turkey = what?

Here

[hellshock70]

A Vig?

She said she couldn't get to gabbo N1.

Assumed a roleblock but maybe Gabbo has a protector in his pocket...

Why would Gabbo have a protector night 1?

And if blades target was Gabbo on night 2 then its too big of a coincidence for him to have a protector 2 nights in a row.

[hellshock70]

Why would Gabbo have a protector night 1?

And if blades target was Gabbo on night 2 then its too big of a coincidence for him to have a protector 2 nights in a row.

to add to this blades won't speak up because he hit town night 1 and therefore Gabbo's group can't target him since no one confirmed they targeted gabbo on night 2.

I know its a stretch but damn those pieces look like they fit that corner of the puzzle.

[BlueStar]

Destiny or Astil....

Let's lynch one and vig the other. And not waste a zillion town resources on indy's.

Astil, what exactly is your win condition? You just changed your whole story, being self-aligned looking for scum to .... what exactly? Odds to me seem that you are scum.

[BlueStar]

Gabbo flown under anyone else's radar lately?

He's one of the vocal ones D1, I thought, that have gone silent...

Why would Gabbo have a protector night 1?

And if blades target was Gabbo on night 2 then its too big of a coincidence for him to have a protector 2 nights in a row.

Interesting...might be good looking into this.

[BlueStar]

Are Teh Showtime and rebelliousangel playing? Can't remember a post of one of them....

[hellshock70]

Are Teh Showtime and rebelliousangel playing? Can't remember a post of one of them....

Yep. I knew showtime was but just checked angel and she's in too.

[BlueStar]

They are but eerily quiet....

[Jman2k3]

Vote: Astil

It's why GM told OLF to frak off in DBZ (and GM was the biggest of the bads!)

Word.

[Olivier le Fou]

Alright, I've got to make this post quick, because it'll likely be my one and only post for the entire phase, as I've got a lot going for the next 36 hours...

Vote: Astil

Now, I don't remember the specifics, but I recall you claiming earlier on as someone who's looking to kill who you really are. And I also recall you saying you're looking for someone, to meet up with them, to help you kill this man in question. And now, after being caught in a lie, you're claiming as the man you originally claimed you were looking for, to kill? I guess overall, this just struck me as like, your role PM telling you that "This person is after you" and you just claimed as someone to lure the guy who was after you out, so you could kill him, first. Though I might have remembered something wrong, somewhere. This is all rather cloudy. Never did completely recover from missing about 90% of Day Phase One.

I'm placing a vote down, because again, not sure I'll be around tomorrow. Besides, we still need five or six anyway. Mine won't do too much damage.

And on the Destiny front? If MichiganHero hid behind Destiny, and got killed, I'd really say that sticks out as something to be looked into. Especially when you read how the mod portrays it in the write-up... A scared and innocent little girl, asking someone "You're not going to hurt me, are you?" only to have him shoot her in cold blood. I highly doubt Destiny's role went all "Extreme Nobleism" and shot her to "prevent her from dying in a more painful manner by someone else." There's got to be something up, here.

I investigated SuperOwens.

Same result as bak42 and MichiganHero. I just want to find out whether I'm Insane, or Paranoid. I think it's safe to say I'm not Random, at this point. At this rate, though? Leaning on Paranoid. Hell, I'm beginning to think I'm just a Reporter Role, where everyone can see my results. Just look. I'm getting flawed results... But in the write-up's, it's almost as though I'm basically being told who does and doesn't have an active ability. Either they're in their room when I come asking questions, or they're not. I guess that's something to keep an eye on, I guess. Just a consistant theme that's been popping up, that I figured I'd point out. Though maybe not, considering I chose to investigate MichiganHero on Night Two. If he was a hider, he technically shouldn't have been there to answer the door, right? Whatever. Too much thought, too late at night.

Alright, with all of this said, I'm off. I love that it looks like I'm not very active, what with 13 posts, but my posts are big, dangit. I'll hopefully find time to pop in before the phase ends, but if not, I'll definitely be here for Day Phase Five.

[hellshock70]

Vote: Astil

You didn't paint a pretty picture of yourself.

[SmartBomb]

Sigh.

Might as well reveal my role, it might give a bit of a laugh.

Clark Griswold, Good Aligned Clumsy Fool

Anyways.

Jumping to the top of the scum list this day phase are:
Max Peck
Destiny
Astil
iMac
Kobe1724
supermareo
Destiny

One question remains: how do you target a hider?

Hmmm? I thought they'd be untargetable, or the person that was targeted by the hider is the person that produces results (ie Destiny gets a non-town result by Olivier if MH hides behind him.)

Teh Showtime is playing, claimed someone from Disturbia. RA... she's playing?


Vote Count?

[Comradebot]

Sigh.

Might as well reveal my role, it might give a bit of a laugh.

Clark Griswold, Good Aligned Clumsy Fool

Anyways.

Jumping to the top of the scum list this day phase are:
Max Peck
Destiny
Astil
iMac
Kobe1724
supermareo
Destiny

One question remains: how do you target a hider?

Hmmm? I thought they'd be untargetable, or the person that was targeted by the hider is the person that produces results (ie Destiny gets a non-town result by Olivier if MH hides behind him.)

Teh Showtime is playing, claimed someone from Disturbia. RA... she's playing?


Vote Count?

For what it's worth...

The last person to claim Clark Griswald was lying, and obviously so. Poor MJD, guess he's lucky that isn't his role. I'd laugh if it was.

[hellshock70]

Vote Count:

Astil: 12 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, The Two, Max Peck, Comradebot, iMac, Jman2k3, Olivier le Fou, hellshock70)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)
Kobe1724: 1 (Midnightnick)

It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be declared.


*updated* as far as i saw this is accurate from taker's last vote count

[BlueStar]

Jep, I count 12 as well.

Anything else to discuss this phase? I'm online the next couple of hours, I'll vote if this is the way to go. I don't see any reason not to. Worst case is that he comes up indy, he may come up as red scum as well.

[SmartBomb]

Just for the lols, I'd like to see Kobe's scum list.

[Destiny]

I think I'd definately be on that list, considering she's stated that "Destiny should definately be lynched today" around thirty times. For clarification, I'm Jar Jar Binks, Good Aligned Annoying Gungan
(Star Wars Episode I)

[hellshock70]

Jep, I count 12 as well.

Anything else to discuss this phase? I'm online the next couple of hours, I'll vote if this is the way to go. I don't see any reason not to. Worst case is that he comes up indy, he may come up as red scum as well.

first he says he's hunting hertz. then he claims to be hertz. as was said previously a distraction. this is the enemy we think we know.

destiny is probably scum but is the enemy we don't know.

a few others have been mentioned but these two are the ones people have focused on.

[Destiny]

How am I an enemy that you don't know? I claimed on Day One, and unlike Astil, was telling the truth.

[hellshock70]

How am I an enemy that you don't know? I claimed on Day One, and unlike Astil, was telling the truth.

Refresh my memory real quick then. Who did Michiganhero supposedly hide behind?

[SmartBomb]

How do you target an untargetable player?

[Destiny]

MichiganHero supposedly hid behind me. There is nothing in my Role PM that would suggest I'd kill a hider if they hid behind me, and can only think of me being a PGO, just not mentioned in my Role PM. Trust me, I'm on the side of the good guys.

[SmartBomb]

But... MichiganHero was a hider.

Trackers can't find out where hiders are.

:confused:

[hellshock70]

MichiganHero supposedly hid behind me. There is nothing in my Role PM that would suggest I'd kill a hider if they hid behind me, and can only think of me being a PGO, just not mentioned in my Role PM. Trust me, I'm on the side of the good guys.

And the part against you is this:

~A noise woke the man from his sleep. Noticing his door open, he quickly grabbed his gun. Everything seemed to be in order... but then he heard a noise coming from the closet. Cautiously opening the door he was startled to find someone in there. 'You aren't going to hurt me are you?', the girl asked timidly.

'Sorry, honey.', as he pressed his gun against her head. *bang* ~

and MH was a little girl

[hellshock70]

And the part against you is this:

~A noise woke the man from his sleep. Noticing his door open, he quickly grabbed his gun. Everything seemed to be in order... but then he heard a noise coming from the closet. Cautiously opening the door he was startled to find someone in there. 'You aren't going to hurt me are you?', the girl asked timidly.

'Sorry, honey.', as he pressed his gun against her head. *bang* ~

and MH was a little girl

So was someone else sleeping in your bed?

[hellshock70]

So was someone else sleeping in your bed?

only other option is?

[SmartBomb]

Vote: Inadvertant

That Inadvertant is lying. Personally, I'm leaning towards that option now.

[Comradebot]

But... MichiganHero was a hider.

Trackers can't find out where hiders are.

:confused:

Well... MH didn't successfully hide last night. Instead, he got killed. Makes sense to me he would be targettable in that regard.

[BlueStar]

How do you target an untargetable player?

Depends on the MOD setup. Probably you can't. A hider would be untargettable. But he's dead.

[SmartBomb]

Bleagh.

Nevermind.

Change Vote: No Vote

[BlueStar]

Well... MH didn't successfully hide last night. Instead, he got killed. Makes sense to me he would be targettable in that regard.

Just makes you wonder who he targetted before. If I was a hider and picked a safe target N1, I'd stay there.

[BlueStar]

MichiganHero supposedly hid behind me. There is nothing in my Role PM that would suggest I'd kill a hider if they hid behind me, and can only think of me being a PGO, just not mentioned in my Role PM. Trust me, I'm on the side of the good guys.

Would Jar Jar say something like "Sorry, Honey" and carry a gun? I'd think he'd jibberish her into a suicide.

[SmartBomb]

More to the point, wouldn't he target Anti, the bulletproof?

[hellshock70]

More to the point, wouldn't he target Anti, the bulletproof?

Only if he was positive Anti was truthful.

[Comradebot]

Just makes you wonder who he targetted before. If I was a hider and picked a safe target N1, I'd stay there.

/shrug

Maybe his intended target and Destiny got switched. Maybe he was worried his previous target was about to get offed and he didn't want to be in dodge when that happened.

The biggest question is why didn't her target Anti? Did he miss the bulletproof claim? Was he betting on someone figuring out who he hit in the event he targetted scum?

Whatever, in all likelihood Destiny is scum. If this is a scum ploy the most it'll do is, what? Get Destiny mislynched? One guy doesn't seem worth that, at least not this early in a game. That, and so far Destiny's defense has amounted to "Nuh uh!"

[Crychon]

Vote Count:

Astil: 12 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, The Two, Max Peck, Comradebot, iMac, Jman2k3, Olivier le Fou, hellshock70)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)
Kobe1724: 1 (Midnightnick)

[B]It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be de

[Comradebot]

Only if he was positive Anti was truthful.

True. He could've had his doubts about Anti. Not too hard to lie and say you're bulletproof as scum, on account that:

1. You know you're less likely to be targetted for a kill

2. Other scum will be inclined to not risk trying to kill you, in case you're telling the truth

3. Even IF you do get offed, well... who cares? You're dead. The town finds out you were lying and can thank whoever killed you for doing so.


So I guess it's reasonable that maybe MH just didn't believe the claim enough.

Other theory: maybe he wanted to try and hide behind other people so he could clear them later. Finding one target to hide behind every night clears one person. If you can manage to find multiple folks to get behind, you could potentially clear those multiple people.

[hellshock70]

Vote Count:

Astil: 12 (Jaded, Antithesis, Destiny, Glotnot, BHK1978, The Two, Max Peck, Comradebot, iMac, Jman2k3, Olivier le Fou, hellshock70)
Destiny: 4 (Inadvertant, supermareo, Astil, Kobe1724)
Kobe1724: 1 (Midnightnick)

It is Day 4. With 27 players remaining, it takes 14 to lynch. You have until Thursday 29th July, 6:00pm BST (1pm EST) to achieve a majority. If a majority is not reached by then, a No Lynch will be [B]de

I think he dozed off while typing :p

[hellshock70]

Night 3


***********************

He sat on the edge of the bed, waiting for the right time to go out. A figure slipped in through the open window and silently crept up behind the man. Wrapping his cheese-wire around his victim's throat, it was over in no time at all. 'Too easy.'.

***********************

Zeel1 is dead, he was Roger Murtaugh, Good Aligned Too Old For This *poop* Cop


Even though this isn't Zeel1's death it does have a resemblance to Riggs and Murtaugh's LW 4 antagonist: Wah Sing Ku

Well, at least the wire.

[BlueStar]

/shrug

Maybe his intended target and Destiny got switched. Maybe he was worried his previous target was about to get offed and he didn't want to be in dodge when that happened.

The biggest question is why didn't her target Anti? Did he miss the bulletproof claim? Was he betting on someone figuring out who he hit in the event he targetted scum?

Whatever, in all likelihood Destiny is scum. If this is a scum ploy the most it'll do is, what? Get Destiny mislynched? One guy doesn't seem worth that, at least not this early in a game. That, and so far Destiny's defense has amounted to "Nuh uh!"

Would a bus driver be able to switch a hider? I doubt it...and yeah, I guess he missed the claim. Don't know...too late to ask the question now.

[hellshock70]

Would a bus driver be able to switch a hider? I doubt it...and yeah, I guess he missed the claim. Don't know...too late to ask the question now.

?????

[BlueStar]

Are you asking what a bus driver is? A bus driver can switch 2 persons.

Let's say:
X = bus driver
Y & Z = targets
A = investigator

X targets Y & Z
A investigates Z, but ends up getting a result on Y.

[hellshock70]

I do find it odd that Destiny stopped responding so quickly.

I asked a question, he answered and then never said anything else once I re-posted MH's death scene.

[BlueStar]

Would Jar Jar say something like "Sorry, Honey" and carry a gun? I'd think he'd jibberish her into a suicide.

I'll go back to this one. If someone switched Destiny with someone, this is the time to say with who.

[Comradebot]

Would a bus driver be able to switch a hider? I doubt it...and yeah, I guess he missed the claim. Don't know...too late to ask the question now.

Yeah, but a bus driver wouldn't have had to target MH, just MH's originally intended target.

So if X bus drived let's say... Destiny and Antithesis (just a random name, folks), and let's say MH originally DID intend to hide behind Anti knowing it would be safe. However, he would instead end up at Destiny and end up deaded.

In the end, none of it matters. Destiny is probably scum, and how or why MH ended up at him and died seems to matter not.

[BlueStar]

/nod

[Kobe1724]

Vote: Astil

But I want it to be known that waiting until tomorrow would have been better.

[Kobe1724]

Just for the lols, I'd like to see Kobe's scum list.

Confirmed scum:

Leaning scum/Indy list:
Paws
Antithesis
hellshock
smart bomb
Destiny
Astil

Neutral (No decision one way or another yet but have thoughts on):
Cbot
Blue Star
Theblackphenom
glot

Leaning Town:
MNN - town

Confirmed scum:
None

Thoughts Unformulated on everyone else at this time.

[Kobe1724]

Confirmed town:
Kobe1724

Leaning scum/Indy list:
Paws
Antithesis
hellshock
smart bomb
Destiny
Astil

Neutral (No decision one way or another yet but have thoughts on):
Cbot
Blue Star
Theblackphenom
glot

Leaning Town:
MNN - town

Confirmed scum:
None

Thoughts Unformulated on everyone else at this time.

Fixed my list

[BlueStar]

You're list is still missing about 15 names...

[BlueStar]

That's L-1 it seems....

[Max Peck]

Sigh.

Might as well reveal my role, it might give a bit of a laugh.

Clark Griswold, Good Aligned Clumsy Fool

Anyways.

Jumping to the top of the scum list this day phase are:
Max Peck
Destiny
Astil
iMac
Kobe1724
supermareo
Destiny

One question remains: how do you target a hider?

Hmmm? I thought they'd be untargetable, or the person that was targeted by the hider is the person that produces results (ie Destiny gets a non-town result by Olivier if MH hides behind him.)

Teh Showtime is playing, claimed someone from Disturbia. RA... she's playing?


Vote Count?
Wow, how on earth do you think I am scum?

[iMac]

Ah Clark Griswald. Good memories of DAM.

[iMac]

Eh, there was meant to be more to that. :o

I'm still torn tbh. I've placed a vote on Astil, but part of me thinks Destiny is the way to go.

[BlueStar]

Eh, there was meant to be more to that. :o

I'm still torn tbh. I've placed a vote on Astil, but part of me thinks Destiny is the way to go.

Well, Destiny's claim is more solid, name & title-wise, than Astil's changing story. Not sure with the MH stuff. If there's a bus driver involved, he needs to step forward. If not, someone needs to take care of things at night.

Be back this evening should my vote be needed. Plenty of time left. I wouldn't mind some more Astil stories, made up or not.

[The Two]

Lynching Astil, again, guarantees he can't kill AND frees up folks like Jaded to focus their attentions on people we haven't confirmed to be scum or town. Why waste resources and risk a life when we can be done with him? If you can give me a good answer to that, I'll back down.
This.

Firstly, it's very telling that Astil has refused to clarify exactly what he needs to do to win, in other words, which townies have to die for Astil to get his W.

His defence seems to come down to, "Yes, I'm a threat, but you don't need to lynch me when Jaded could spend the rest of the game roleblocking me every single night." If we need to "control him" as he puts it, I find a noose works even better than a very cute thing.

[Antithesis]

Well, Destiny's claim is more solid, name & title-wise, than Astil's changing story. Not sure with the MH stuff. If there's a bus driver involved, he needs to step forward. If not, someone needs to take care of things at night.

Be back this evening should my vote be needed. Plenty of time left. I wouldn't mind some more Astil stories, made up or not.

One problem I do have with Destiny's story is this.

He hints D1.

Astil Claims his Indy.

D2, People speculate Bak might be a miller.

All that time, according to jar Jar, he's "hated" and wouldn't come up town aligned. Had he just said that then, Astil would have been less believable, and some of the folks defending Bak may not have looked as suspicious in my eyes at least. But no, he hides the miller part of his role until he gets busted for something else (most likely killing a hider).

To me, the thing makes more sense if he's scum fake claiming.

But I am looking at it from the perspective of someone who would have claimed a miller early, if I was a miller. He didn't, maybe because the added suspicion would have meant he would have been watched/tracked.

[hellshock70]

34. bak42 is dead, he was Drillbit Taylor, Good Aligned Bodyguard For Hire

5. The Shape is dead, he was Dr Evil, Corleone Family Aligned Evil Genius

29. MichiganHero is dead, he was Newt, Good Aligned Elusive Child

When bak was lynched the Shape and MichiganHero were 2 of the final 3 votes that came about in a span of 2 minutes.

The other one was Paws who finished off the vote.

Any thoughts while I figure out the others that posted near this time?

[hellshock70]

When bak was lynched the Shape and MichiganHero were 2 of the final 3 votes that came about in a span of 2 minutes.

The other one was Paws who finished off the vote.

Any thoughts while I figure out the others that posted near this time?

Superowens around 1 1/2 hours before deadline and Max Peck almost 2 hours before deadline.

[Rebelliousangel]

Uhh confession..I forgot I signed up for this game. And now there's..55 pages to read! :eek: Uhh I've skimmed over them and I have no clue what's going on.
From what I gathered I'm behind an Astil Lynch. I missed why Destiny is suspicious and there was something...about Gabbo just now
so we have 3 suspects?

[Antithesis]

Uhh confession..I forgot I signed up for this game. And now there's..55 pages to read! :eek: Uhh I've skimmed over them and I have no clue what's going on.
From what I gathered I'm behind an Astil Lynch. I missed why Destiny is suspicious and there was something...about Gabbo just now
so we have 3 suspects?

I was a replacement before the game got started, so i dunno, but didn't you have to do a 'confirmation" for your role PM?

How'd you forget that?

[Rebelliousangel]

I was a replacement before the game got started, so i dunno, but didn't you have to do a 'confirmation" for your role PM?

How'd you forget that?

No not to my knowledge I didn't have to do a conformation.

[hellshock70]

Superowens around 1 1/2 hours before deadline and Max Peck almost 2 hours before deadline.

Looks like i had my days mixed up as this speedy end happened with 20 hours to go.

[Rebelliousangel]

And also I'd probably forget my own head if it wasn't already attached. I'm that bad about remembering things. Like literally if it wasn't for calendaring on my phone I'd be lost to the world.

[Antithesis]

And also I'd probably forget my own head if it wasn't already attached. I'm that bad about remembering things. Like literally if it wasn't for calendaring on my phone I'd be lost to the world.

I gott ask, since you are here now. Do you go out during night phases?

[hellshock70]

I was a replacement before the game got started, so i dunno, but didn't you have to do a 'confirmation" for your role PM?

How'd you forget that?

I honestly don't remember if I did a confirmation. Not supporting her, just mentioning there is room for doubt.