The Official Evil Comes To Happy Town (Training game)

[Antithesis]

READ OR DIE


HOW TO PLAY:

- All of you will be PM’d a role and your alignment. The objective is to eliminate all members of the opposing alignment from the game.

- Each player has been given a role with their own special ability. Your PM will explain what it does, if you are meant to know. You don’t have to reveal what your role is to the other players, nor will I do so in my updates. Then again there is nothing to stop you, so if you feel that it may help prove your innocence, go ahead – just keep in mind that this could also backfire and help the mafia. In other words, claim at your own risk. Likewise, you may lie about who you are if you wish. If you want to use your abilities, PM me. DO NOT post it in the thread.

- The game is split into two phases, Day and Night. The game begins during the day, and all players (Mafia and Townie alike) post in the thread, deciding who to kill off. Lynching is the only way for the Townies to kill the Mafia, so be sure to examine voting patterns of your fellow players. I might also provide clues in the death write ups, but over-reliance on those is ill-advised as some may be traps. Day phases will last 48 hours or until a consensus is reached. Night phases will last 24 hours but may end earlier if all night activities are concluded.

- All voting and discussion is to occur within the thread. Town players may discuss who they think is Mafia, and Mafia members should be trying to bluff/convince/blend in, and generally try not to get voted for. To vote, post Vote: Username (MUST BE IN BOLD!). You can also change your vote, by typing Change Vote: Username (AGAIN BOLDED!). You can also change your vote to nobody by typing Change Vote: No Vote (IN BOLD!). You can also choose to vote for No Lynching by using Vote: No Lynch (yeah... BOLDED!), meaning you actively vote to not lynch anyone during that day phase rather than passively not voting at all. You must post in the thread for your vote to be counted. You do not have to vote if you do not wish to.

- A Day Phase is over whenever a person obtains more than 50% of the vote (and is lynched) or when the 48 hours run out. If no majority vote has been reached by the time the day phase expires, a no lynch will be declared. Once a person dies, I will reveal their alignment and role.

- Night falls after somebody is executed or a no lynch is achieved. During this time, the Mafia can discuss who they want to kill next (using whatever form of communication appeals to them). Abilities are also used during this time. To use an ability, PM both mods (Antithesis, moon_lit_tears), and we'll PM you the outcome of the ability the following day phase. If it is something serious like somebody getting killed, I will update it in the thread. If possible though, try to PM me what you want to do as soon after night falls as possible to keep things moving along at a quick pace.

- Night ends once I post who gets killed, and the cycle repeats itself. The Town players win if all Mafia members are dead, and vice versa. Remember, this is a team effort, so if you think sacrificing someone may help your cause, go ahead.

-Remember, some roles such as investigators and protectors are more valuable to the town – so try to keep them alive!


RULES:

- I know it’s the Mafia Forum, but try not to postwhore in the thread anyway. Feel free to trash talk, accuse, call out other players if you want, but if you’re going to vote, at least state some kind of reason as to why you’re doing so.

- Though I can’t force you to post, I’d love to see active participation. I would advise everyone try to check in with this game at least once a day. Things move fast and you can fall behind pretty easily.

- Once you are dead, you stay dead, and may not participate until the game is over. This includes notes found on your corpse, cryptic messages from the dead, etc, etc. You may also not advise the remaining players on what to do – besides, to prevent cheating, I will not provide the dead with any additional information than they would get if they were still alive. Of course, I’m willing to listen to your theories as to what’s going on. Likewise, I'd appreciate if those not taking part try not help those playing, though general comments on how things are going would be welcomed in the Sign Up Thread.

- Unless your role PM specifically states otherwise, all players may not discuss game plan, your role, or alignment outside the thread. Of course, I can’t enforce this, but I believe secretly revealing information amongst each other would spoil the game, so try not to do it.

- Players are not allowed to edit their posts in this thread at all, as it allows for those who make mistakes to remove all of the evidence without any effort. Since I can't enforce this, I strongly encourage all players to scrutinize any posts they notice that have been edited.

-Players are not allowed to cut and paste anything straight from the Role PM except the Role title. No cutting and pasting from the body of the PM. You can paraphrase what your Role PM says but that is all.

-Please play your role/alignment and play to win. We will be strict about this, so please don't make us enforce it.

- Role Betting is expressily forbidden. Example of Role Betting is posting a threat or promise based upon your or someone else's alignment or ability. An Example: "If I am not X aligned, I will never post at this website again!" That is a Role Bet, and doing that (or anything very similar to that)will result in your immediate replacement from the game.

-Talking about your role after death or to those who have died IS NOT allowed.

-Not everything is as it seems. If something unexpected happens, feel free to question it to me in private, and if I can, I'll answer.

We reserve the right to mod kill if we find out that any of these rules have been broken. Please remember that you are not the only one playing this game, so don't ruin it for everyone else!

The mods for this game are Antithesis and moon_lit_tears. All PMs regarding abilities, questions or anything else should be sent to Both of us. If you fail to communicate your information then I will go on what I have. You have be warned!

Let us all keep in mind that this is a game and should be an enjoyable experience.


Do Not Post Until After The Opening Write Up Has Been Posted!

This write up was stolen from the official games thread.


Official Rules: Short Form... These are bad to do, mmkay!

1) No cutting and pasting of Role PM's or Win Conditions! Only Posting Role Titles Are Allowed!

2) No posting about game matters after you have died!

3) No editing of posts allowed. I may excuse a one time slip up, if I believe it to be a genuine mistake, but try to not let it happen.

4) No Role Betting

5) No Communicating outside of the thread with other persons while you play the game. Should you die, you are still forbidden from discussing game matters with anyone still in the game or on the Reserve list!

6) Any question or problem with your role or a rule in the game, PM Antithesis Privately. All conversations with the Mod are to be held as private unless I give you permission to discuss them publicly.

7) No Bullying! This game is expressly for training purposes. Arguing is fine, but if name calling starts I will mod kill you!

[Antithesis]

Player List

3. hellshock70
4. SmartBomb
6. Paws7297
8. Rebelliousangel
11. D_W_W



Reserves:
1. BHK1978
2. Sniper Joe


Deaths
Day One: No Lynch
Night One: SuperOwens: Where's Waldo Happy Town Aligned Guy Who's Touched In The Head
Day Two: Kobe1724: Miller Marshall, Individual Aligned Stranded Motorist Who Is Freaking Out Right Now.
Night two: Michigan Hero: Policeman Parker, Happy Town Aligned Dirty Cop.
Destiny: Pharmacist Phyllis, Happy Town Aligned Pill Pusher.
Day Three: No Lynch
Night Three: Tha Black Phenom: Stalker Samantha, Happy Town Aligned Creepy Headcase
Day Four: 400 ml: Hitman Harris, Mafia Aligned Stone Cold Killer
Night Four: Zeel1: Doctor Drake, Happy Town Aligned Incompetent Doctor With A God Complex


Write Ups
Conclusion Of Day Phase One:http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1113820&postcount=221
Conclusion Of Night Phase One:http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1114792&postcount=262
Conclusion Of Day Phase Two http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1115450&postcount=382
Conclusion Of Night Phase Two: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1116498&postcount=441
Conclusion of Day Phase Three: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1119311&postcount=654
Conclusion of Night Phase Three: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1120465&postcount=663
Conclusion Of Day Phase Four: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1120985&postcount=778
Conclusion of Night Phase Four: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1121692&postcount=822




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[Antithesis]

" Ugh", he exclaimed, holding his belly as he exited the diner. "I've had shoe leather that was more tender than those pork chops," he muttered under his breath.

'And that waitress. Nice to look at, but damn she was angry. Maybe its those no good strangers in town. Got everyone on edge.' He continued to walk down the alleyway behind the diner, lost in his thoughts until a voice caught his attention.

"Excuse me, know where I can find a good meal?"

Antithesis grabbed his belly again. "Good Food? That's a laugh. Right now my stomach-"

The blade ripped through his throat, and didn't stop until his face was nothing but tiny pieces. Pieces that were soon gobbled down.

"Food is no laughing matter", is all his killer had to say.

Antithesis is dead! He Was Acid Reflux Antithesis, Happy Town Aligned Gastronomical Wind Bag.



Twelve hours. That was long enough for one person to be on their feet serving the locals in that ratty diner. The idea of curling up in bed with a trashy romance, and falling asleep sounded a lot better with each step towards home.

As she walked through the alleyway, she encountered a faceless corpse spread out on the pavement. "Hmm, maybe this was that wind bag who left the lousy tip", she pondered as she began to go through his pockets. Suddenly, the feeling of being watched came over her. Without looking back she rushed towards the street as a bottle of pepper spray appeared in her hands.. The sound of gunshots broke the dark silence. When all was said and done her body lay lifeless next to the corpse of the bad tipper.

moon_lit_tears is dead. She was Mad moon_lit_tears, Happy Town Aligned Waitress with an Attitude.


You now may begin the game!

[hellshock70]

1st?

[d_w_w]

Leave it to Anti to get cannibalized.

[Paws7297]

Ewww. Anti I JUST ate my dinner.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Is there a no win conditions posting policy this time? :D

I suppose it isn't all that hard to guess, but still...

[Tha Black Phenom]

moon_lit_tears is dead. She was Mad moon_lit_tears, Happy Town Aligned Waitress with an Attitude.

Couldn't be a more fitting role. :D

[moon_lit_tears]

Couldn't be a more fitting role. :D

Shaddup!

[Kobe1724]

Scum:
7. Destiny
3. hellshock70
10. mjdgoldeneye

Town:
13. Kobe1724
5. SuperOwens
1. Tha Black Phenom
4. SmartBomb
6. Paws7297
8. Rebelliousangel
9. MichiganHero
11. D_W_W
12. Abraham

Indy:
2. 400 ml

:cool:

[mjdgoldeneye]

I wasn't very helpful in the last training game and got myself killed pretty quickly, so hopefully I'll avoid that this time. Now for rampant speculation!

With 13 players, there will be at least 3 scum. I bet there will be a 3 scum mafia and a serial killer or a 4 scum mafia. 3 scum total is under 1/4 (too low) and 5 scum is above 1/3 (too high). 4 is the sweet spot.

The numbers can vary base on how many townie power roles there are, but 4 is probably a reliable number to go with.

On Day 1, there's two routes to take. You can either pack it in right away and skip to Night 1, or go all out. I don't like the random, aimless, 6-way pressure we get most of the time because we really don't gain anything and the scum have something to go on going into night phase. It's pressure to claim with the assumption that a lynch is a risk worth taking in all but the most obvious town claims. We've got a very generic "theme" and fake claims would be dreadfully easy, so if you're going to vote at all, you're signing a contract saying "We might screw up". Making a protector claim and then running away isn't what we want.

That being said:

Vote: Kobe1724

First up, first out. ;)

[Antithesis]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 1 (mjdgoldeneye)

[Kobe1724]

I'm male, don't go out at night and will be voting Vote: MJDGoldeneye

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm male, don't go out at night and will be voting Vote: MJDGoldeneye

And I'm not saying anything. :cool:

[Kobe1724]

And I'm not saying anything. :cool:

The nature of scum. ^_^

[Abraham]

Vote: Kobe1724

I have my reasons :p

[Tha Black Phenom]

I half expected this. :p

Vote: Kobe1724

I have my reasons :p

Now would be a good time to tell 'em.

[Abraham]

D1 Pressure?

[mjdgoldeneye]

The nature of scum. ^_^

Let me explain myself. You posted a list. You should NEVER post a list this early.

It doesn't matter if you say it's meaningless, you've just put in way more chips than anyone else yet.

No scum, regardless of how bold, would put fellow scum on a list as scum in their first post. That disobeys so many natural human tendencies. So, if you're scum, you've given us a list of 3 people that we can put on a backburner so long as there would otherwise be a tie. (Any evidence overrides arbitrary stuff like that though.)

If you're town, why do that? If it was just meant to be silly, lists can never be ignored. Lists are strong. If you didn't you should have known that the first person to do anything remotely relevant to the game gets a vote. If I'm going to choose a name out of a hat, why not choose the person with the single relevant post?

Also, I'd like to institute my official "I'll lynch anyone who even vaguely looks like they're collaborating with me on principal". That being said, what are your reasons, Abraham? :p

[Abraham]

That being said, what are your reasons, Abraham? :p

D1 pressure and it's easier to pick kobe because someone already had a vote on him/her

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham)
mjdgoldeneye- 1 ( Kobe1724)

[d_w_w]

Okay, time to put my vet hat on.

Pro Tip #1: Know the other players in the game. Some people have clearly defined day 1 habits. BHK will likely vote on Destiny and call him a robot or the don or something. If MNN were in the game and no one had voted, he'd be likely to start an RNG push as he advocates the risk vs. reward approach to mafia. These things are likely regardless of the players alignment. Thus, if they did these things, I would be unlikely to make any snap judgments about them (though, any deviations from the norm would cause me to raise my eyebrow). If you aren't familiar with certain players, you can always read previous games that they've been in. Unless of course, the player is new.

Abraham, as it stands, is an unknown and I think is an unknown that I can only learn about in the confines of this thread. Unknowns are hard to read and harder to predict. Hence ...

Vote: Abraham

#2: When voting, it is often useful to ask questions.

So, Abraham, why are you so fond of day one pressure? What is it that you want from Kobe?

[Abraham]

I'm not answering any questions that I don't need to.

[MichiganHero]

Why God. WHYYYYY? Did you kill our waitress.

Ah well.
VOTE : SuperOwens
For that stupid fake post restriction in Catfish Creek!

[hellshock70]

I'm not answering any questions that I don't need to.

I feel the need to say you do.

Vote: Abraham

For the simple reason that you don't feel a need.

http://www.sevenforums.com/attachments/chillout-room/8723d1240487525-good-laugh-roflmao.gif

[SmartBomb]

Kobe put herself on her town list.

Only scum do that.

Vote: Kobe1724

[SuperOwens]

Hi new guys :)

So, day one is always a tough one. As MJ said, do you want to push so hard that a power role is outed, thus tieing up other resources? But then do you want to give scum a free day to do there worst?

Its a decision that splits a lot of players. Personally in small games I tend to be more cautious about day 1. Its something that those amongst you that are scum can use against me, I'm unlikely to vote on a bandwagon day 1 in a small game.

Knowledge is power and all that, so that is something to take in consideration for you bad guys out there. Town should also take note, If my usual play style is to not vote for a lynch day 1, and then I do....well maybe I am playing differently for a reason. Maybe I am scum hoping to get info out of a townie or even getting one miss-lynched.

Big games i have a different attitude, I'm still not that bloodthirsty but feel the town have less to lose so may jump on a day 1 wagon. This is just me, other players have different attitudes and different styles and getting to know them will help you tremendously at this game.

Why God. WHYYYYY? Did you kill our waitress.

Ah well.
VOTE : SuperOwens
For that stupid fake post restriction in Catfish Creek!

That's interesting.

I just want to point out to you, that even though it was annoying for you, that fake post restriction fooled the town into believing and accepting me as an indy survivor and the scum into thinking i was a merc.

Obviously I had no idea that a merc was in the game, but the overall objective was to protect my power role. I was a protector, which in my mind, is one of the top 3 power roles.

[MichiganHero]

Hi new guys :)

So, day one is always a tough one. As MJ said, do you want to push so hard that a power role is outed, thus tieing up other resources? But then do you want to give scum a free day to do there worst?

Its a decision that splits a lot of players. Personally in small games I tend to be more cautious about day 1. Its something that those amongst you that are scum can use against me, I'm unlikely to vote on a bandwagon day 1 in a small game.

Knowledge is power and all that, so that is something to take in consideration for you bad guys out there. Town should also take note, If my usual play style is to not vote for a lynch day 1, and then I do....well maybe I am playing differently for a reason. Maybe I am scum hoping to get info out of a townie or even getting one miss-lynched.

Big games i have a different attitude, I'm still not that bloodthirsty but feel the town have less to lose so may jump on a day 1 wagon. This is just me, other players have different attitudes and different styles and getting to know them will help you tremendously at this game.



That's interesting.

I just want to point out to you, that even though it was annoying for you, that fake post restriction fooled the town into believing and accepting me as an indy survivor and the scum into thinking i was a merc.

Obviously I had no idea that a merc was in the game, but the overall objective was to protect my power role. I was a protector, which in my mind, is one of the top 3 power roles.

*Grumbes and moans* Fine.
VOTE : No Vote

[SuperOwens]

*Grumbes and moans* Fine.
VOTE : No Vote

You would have to use change vote for that :p

But, really, if you feel Im worthy of a vote and pressure you should go for it. Just because I explained something about how I previously played shouldn't put you off trying to get something out of me in this game.

My point was more to show the newer guys that even when your town, you have to think about your role and how you can use it to benefit your team-mates in the nest possible way.

Sure if you come out and claim a power role, you will be safe from lynching, but at what risk to yourself come night time? Does it really benefit the town having that role out there, even if they are the ones baying for information from you? How many town resources are being used on you?

You will hear a lot in mafia about Lynch All Liars (LAL) I tend not to think in such black and white terms. Lying can benefit the town greatly, if done right. It can also backfire spectacularly.

[MichiganHero]

You would have to use change vote for that :p

But, really, if you feel Im worthy of a vote and pressure you should go for it. Just because I explained something about how I previously played shouldn't put you off trying to get something out of me in this game.

My point was more to show the newer guys that even when your town, you have to think about your role and how you can use it to benefit your team-mates in the nest possible way.

Sure if you come out and claim a power role, you will be safe from lynching, but at what risk to yourself come night time? Does it really benefit the town having that role out there, even if they are the ones baying for information from you? How many town resources are being used on you?

You will hear a lot in mafia about Lynch All Liars (LAL) I tend not to think in such black and white terms. Lying can benefit the town greatly, if done right. It can also backfire spectacularly.

Yeah, you are right. However I think you are fine just now.
Anywho, CHANGE VOTE : Abraham (I thought about it)
Don't pull a Destiny and not answer questions.
So, can you go out at night?

[Abraham]

Yeah, you are right. However I think you are fine just now.
Anywho, CHANGE VOTE : Abraham (I thought about it)
Don't pull a Destiny and not answer questions.
So, can you go out at night?

Can you?

[MichiganHero]

Can you?

Yes, I can. And I won't claim just now. Now answer the question!!!

[Abraham]

Yes, I can. And I won't claim just now. Now answer the question!!!

I might, maybe.

[SmartBomb]

Well, then.

*tilts head*

Right.

Change Vote: Abraham

[Paws7297]

I might, maybe.

Vote: Abraham

There's some pressure. Answer the questions.

[SuperOwens]

You know, I think its fairly scummy behaviour voting on the only player in the game to never have played before. Essentially you have all jumped on an inexperienced player, day 1 because he.......did excatly what you have done. He joined a bandwagon

I made a post earlier about being careful asking for claims day 1. I can see Abraham's issue here, why answer questions from people he doesn't know he can trust.

[d_w_w]

You know, I think its fairly scummy behaviour voting on the only player in the game to never have played before. Essentially you have all jumped on an inexperienced player, day 1 because he.......did excatly what you have done. He joined a bandwagon

I made a post earlier about being careful asking for claims day 1. I can see Abraham's issue here, why answer questions from people he doesn't know he can trust.

Hmm. You're right and wrong, I think. The bandwagon on Abraham is definitely scummy and IMO, a bit peculiar. However, his refusal to play ball is equally problematic, especially when you consider how this started:

I asked two questions:

1. Why are you fond of day 1 pressure?
2. What did he want to learn from Kobe (seeing how he was the second vote on her and that she had already given out a bit of information)?

His refusal to answer those questions is a bit odd as these aren't the "OMG I've outted myself" type of questions (to me at least). But this alone is not lynch worthy on the first day of a game.

As for this follow up bandwagon...well:

Change Vote: No vote

Michigan Hero - while it's good that you asked a question (do you go out at night) with your bandwagon vote, I'd like you to justify that specific question.

[SuperOwens]

Hmm. You're right and wrong, I think. The bandwagon on Abraham is definitely scummy and IMO, a bit peculiar. However, his refusal to play ball is equally problematic, especially when you consider how this started:

I asked two questions:

1. Why are you fond of day 1 pressure?
2. What did he want to learn from Kobe (seeing how he was the second vote on her and that she had already given out a bit of information)?

His refusal to answer those questions is a bit odd as these aren't the "OMG I've outted myself" type of questions (to me at least). But this alone is not lynch worthy on the first day of a game.

As for this follow up bandwagon...well:

Change Vote: No vote

Michigan Hero - while it's good that you asked a question (do you go out at night) with your bandwagon vote, I'd like you to justify that specific question.


I know where your coming from, It would be odd coming from you or me.

But in your first game? I dont think so. We both know there are ways of saying something but also not saying anything. Thatjust comes with experience.

Whether he be scum or town I'm not voting day 1. This is a training game guys and I'd rather you lynch me that somebody in there first game :)

[Rebelliousangel]

You know, I think its fairly scummy behaviour voting on the only player in the game to never have played before. Essentially you have all jumped on an inexperienced player, day 1 because he.......did excatly what you have done. He joined a bandwagon

I made a post earlier about being careful asking for claims day 1. I can see Abraham's issue here, why answer questions from people he doesn't know he can trust.

Yes but their simple questions..can he or can't he go out at night? Town as well as scum can go out at night. That won't necessarily tell if he's scum or not. It's not giving much away. (In my opinion) But the fact that he won't answer even the simplest questions makes me suspicious of him. And I don't thingk dww's questions were that revealing of anything if Abraham were to answer then. It's his refusal to answer anything that makes me think he's just scum trying not to out himself.

[MichiganHero]

Hmm. You're right and wrong, I think. The bandwagon on Abraham is definitely scummy and IMO, a bit peculiar. However, his refusal to play ball is equally problematic, especially when you consider how this started:

I asked two questions:

1. Why are you fond of day 1 pressure?
2. What did he want to learn from Kobe (seeing how he was the second vote on her and that she had already given out a bit of information)?

His refusal to answer those questions is a bit odd as these aren't the "OMG I've outted myself" type of questions (to me at least). But this alone is not lynch worthy on the first day of a game.

As for this follow up bandwagon...well:

Change Vote: No vote

Michigan Hero - while it's good that you asked a question (do you go out at night) with your bandwagon vote, I'd like you to justify that specific question.

I asked the question to see if Abraham had an action. He might but my vote stays where it is until all questions are answered.

[SuperOwens]

Yes but their simple questions..can he or can't he go out at night? Town as well as scum can go out at night. That won't necessarily tell if he's scum or not. It's not giving much away. (In my opinion) But the fact that he won't answer even the simplest questions makes me suspicious of him. And I don't thingk dww's questions were that revealing of anything if Abraham were to answer then. It's his refusal to answer anything that makes me think he's just scum trying not to out himself.

So, in a training game that, if following other training games setup, most townies will be stay at home vanilla. You think it would be a good idea to out one that does day 1? Im asking this so you actually think about consequence's.

The guy could be scum, I have no clue. He could equally be town.

[Abraham]

I asked the question to see if Abraham had an action. He might but my vote stays where it is until all questions are answered.

I'm not answering those questions, MichiganHeo.

[Rebelliousangel]

So, in a training game that, if following other training games setup, most townies will be stay at home vanilla. You think it would be a good idea to out one that does day 1? Im asking this so you actually think about consequence's.

The guy could be scum, I have no clue. He could equally be town.

Not necessarily think it's good. But if you look at the last IER training game Olivier was an outted Protector and somehow managed to survive quite a while. I was surprised by that actually. But I'm more suspicious of Abraham's refusal to answer even the smallest questions. He won't give anything which makes me not trust him.

[MichiganHero]

I'm not answering those questions, MichiganHeo.

2 things.

1) Why not?
2) It's MichiganHero!

[Antithesis]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham)
mjdgoldeneye- 1 ( Kobe1724)
Abraham- 4 (hellshock70, MichiganHero, SmartBomb, Paws7297)

[Abraham]

2 things.

1) Why not?
2) It's MichiganHero!

Sorry Heo.

[MichiganHero]

Sorry Heo.

Why are you not answering DWW's questions?

[d_w_w]

I asked the question to see if Abraham had an action. He might but my vote stays where it is until all questions are answered.

And you're not concerned that in a game of this size "going out at night" migh have an equal chance of implying scum as it does of implying power townie role?

[d_w_w]

Why are you not answering DWW's questions?

This, I can support.

Just asking Abraham to engage in a little "philosophy of mafia" discussion.

[MichiganHero]

And you're not concerned that in a game of this size "going out at night" migh have an equal chance of implying scum as it does of implying power townie role?

Depends. But Abraham's answer was "I might, maybe" so we got somewhere.

As Midnightnick states Risk=Reward. Take a risk on Abraham then we might get lucky. And by Abraham's posting and playing style it looks like we have a jackpot.

[SuperOwens]

Depends. But Abraham's answer was "I might, maybe" so we got somewhere.

As Midnightnick states Risk=Reward. Take a risk on Abraham then we might get lucky. And by Abraham's posting and playing style it looks like we have a jackpot.

Playing Devil's advocate here. But what if your not lucky. What if you out or lynch a power role? What if you just lynch a townie.

How many miss-lynches do you think the town can afford in this game?

[MichiganHero]

Playing Devil's advocate here. But what if your not lucky. What if you out or lynch a power role? What if you just lynch a townie.

How many miss-lynches do you think the town can afford in this game?

By my reckoning, in a game of two that makes 6 or 7 townies against 3 or 4 scum. So maybe 1 or 2 mislynches.

[Rebelliousangel]

Playing Devil's advocate here. But what if your not lucky. What if you out or lynch a power role? What if you just lynch a townie.

How many miss-lynches do you think the town can afford in this game?

Well, if we never ask questions and never take chances then how are we supposed to determine who to trust and who is scum?
Sometimes you have to take a small risk in order to get the greatest reward. And sometimes you lose big. It's finding the balance that you can live with.
I think Abraham is being entirely too evasive. And if he won't engage in any discussion at all, even the simple 'philosophy of mafia' as Dww so eloquently put it, then he'll get my vote soon as well. Give us absolutely nothing and it will wind up equaling his death.

[d_w_w]

Couple of points before I get some work done :(

1.

I think, honestly, the best townie (and unfortunately, scum) response to "do you go out at night" is maybe right now. Maybe I'm wrong here, but given that there are 13 players, if you go out, you're likely to be important. Saying yes puts a bullseye on your back if you're a townie. Saying yes if you're scum could compromise your position later, when more people start to figure out who has which roles.

Saying no is only good for the don, as he likely won't go out and will investigate as town. Saying no is only good for townies if they're lying and have a power role. This runs the risk of putting you in a Lynch All Liars situation later in the game, but it could keep the scum from targeting you at the beginning (as they'll surely be hoping to hit the investigator, protector, etc.) Saying no and actually not having an active night ability is problematic, as it allows the scum to cross you off the list and get a better chance of hitting a power role at night.

In most cases, but not in all, the best response to day 1 pressure to state whether or not you go out (in a small game) is actually saying maybe.

There is a counter argument to my perspective and has to do how one approaches the game of mafia. Not going to elaborate, but it's enough to say that you shouldn't buy my "lessons" unless you really believe them, as I could have good town or scum reasons to lead people in a certain direction.

Always ask - what does this player have to gain or lose by posting in this fashion?

2.
I think Abraham might have given us something that some of you have missed. I could be wrong and one serious risk in playing mafia for as long as some of us have is that you start to see hints where there are none. Still, I implore everyone to pay close attention.

[d_w_w]

Well, if we never ask questions and never take chances then how are we supposed to determine who to trust and who is scum?


Great question.

Not going to give my answer to it, mostly because I really do have to get some stuff done and because I think that there is value in hearing other perspectives on how to approach the game.

Now I'm really gone. Maybe check in after lunch, otherwise, see you folks tonight. :)

[SuperOwens]

Well, if we never ask questions and never take chances then how are we supposed to determine who to trust and who is scum?
Sometimes you have to take a small risk in order to get the greatest reward. And sometimes you lose big. It's finding the balance that you can live with.
I think Abraham is being entirely too evasive. And if he won't engage in any discussion at all, even the simple 'philosophy of mafia' as Dww so eloquently put it, then he'll get my vote soon as well. Give us absolutely nothing and it will wind up equaling his death.

A question the town has to ask itself. Do you believe the risk to is worth the reward? Things change over the game. If this was day 4, I'd be more inclined to add pressure. Not so much day 1.

That is just me though. Others play a different game. Its interesting MNN was brought up, he has even said himself lately that he has toned down the risk taking.

Its also your jobs, townie or scum, to convince me to join in the pressure.

[Rebelliousangel]

So, in a training game that, if following other training games setup, most townies will be stay at home vanilla. You think it would be a good idea to out one that does day 1? Im asking this so you actually think about consequence's.

The guy could be scum, I have no clue. He could equally be town.

Well if this is true this this..is interesting.
Yes, I can. And I won't claim just now. Now answer the question!!!

[SuperOwens]

Well if this is true this this..is interesting.

I had noticed that.

I'm going to take you through what my thought processes were. I'm not saying this is the way to do it, just they way I look at things after a bit of experience in mafia.

First off, I saw it and decided not to mention anything. For me, that could be a bad move from MH. If we are limited to a few roles that can go out, its possible he has said a little bit to much. Its also possible he is a bad guy.

So for me, I didn't want to draw attention to it, but its definitely something I have noted down for the future. I was pretty confident other people would have picked up on it anyway.

Sometimes mafia can be about what you don't post as well as what you do. If that makes sense :)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Vote: SmartBomb

Hi.

Personally I don't think Michigan is thinking on both sides of the barrel just yet, he might get a future vote from me, but indeed I know there's always gonna be people pouncing on the inexperienced player. And it could be good to fish some of 'em out.

[MichiganHero]

Vote: SmartBomb

Hi.

Personally I don't think Michigan is thinking on both sides of the barrel just yet, he might get a future vote from me, but indeed I know there's always gonna be people pouncing on the inexperienced player. And it could be good to fish some of 'em out.

I never think straight.

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham)
mjdgoldeneye- 1 ( Kobe1724)
Abraham- 4 (hellshock70, MichiganHero, SmartBomb, Paws7297)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

[SuperOwens]

Just wanted to say that I'm heading back home for the weekend. Will have a bit of access to the net, but not much.

[hellshock70]

Kind of hate picking on the new guy, but who says he doesn't play somewhere else like Olivier?

still I'll go to #2 on the list for now,

change Vote: Kobe1724

[d_w_w]

Okay, three votes on Kobe.

No real questions for her though. Have the three of you decided that you'd like to lynch her on day 1 or are you just hoping for information? If so, what information? Think it's generally a mistake to vote without questions, unless your intent is to lynch (and even then, it's good practice to try to explain your vote).

[mjdgoldeneye]

Okay, three votes on Kobe.

No real questions for her though. Have the three of you decided that you'd like to lynch her on day 1 or are you just hoping for information? If so, what information? Think it's generally a mistake to vote without questions, unless your intent is to lynch (and even then, it's good practice to try to explain your vote).

My goal with any vote is to lynch unless proven otherwise. One of the things with mafia is it's hard randomly killing someone on day one because you take them out of the game permanently, so people dislike doing it. However, we can learn some things from it.

Generally, though, I don't like random lynches on day one in games this small. I got a bit of information from what has happened already.

If someone wants to take the risk, go for it. I'll be taking notes.

[hellshock70]

Okay, three votes on Kobe.

No real questions for her though. Have the three of you decided that you'd like to lynch her on day 1 or are you just hoping for information? If so, what information? Think it's generally a mistake to vote without questions, unless your intent is to lynch (and even then, it's good practice to try to explain your vote).

My explanation:

Smaller game, less scum, less town too, less nights to get info unless someone tries to stretch it out and in my limited run I've never been fond of waiting for the first nights results which hasn't went well for town lately. :D

[Kobe1724]

Kind of hate picking on the new guy, but who says he doesn't play somewhere else like Olivier?

still I'll go to #2 on the list for now,

change Vote: Kobe1724

Why am I being voted on exactly? I've volunteered information and am always open to being questioned. ^_^

[Kobe1724]

Actually, we don't have a lot of time so let's get this out of the way.

What do you want to know? I'm open to questioning from everyone. Shoot.

Afterward, however, lets follow up with Abraham (I'll get to MJD later, amongst others).

[d_w_w]

My goal with any vote is to lynch unless proven otherwise. One of the things with mafia is it's hard randomly killing someone on day one because you take them out of the game permanently, so people dislike doing it. However, we can learn some things from it.

Generally, though, I don't like random lynches on day one in games this small. I got a bit of information from what has happened already.

If someone wants to take the risk, go for it. I'll be taking notes.

This seems contradictory to me. You don't like random lynches, but you're okay with someone taking the risk.

My explanation:

Smaller game, less scum, less town too, less nights to get info unless someone tries to stretch it out and in my limited run I've never been fond of waiting for the first nights results which hasn't went well for town lately. :D

Fair enough. What information do you want though? The kind of information that we get when someone is lynched? Or more the roleclaim type of information?

[SmartBomb]

Vote: SmartBomb

Hi.

Personally I don't think Michigan is thinking on both sides of the barrel just yet, he might get a future vote from me, but indeed I know there's always gonna be people pouncing on the inexperienced player. And it could be good to fish some of 'em out.

Hi.

Yes?

[Kobe1724]

This is silly. We will never get anywhere doing things this way (Random accusations) Let's question one person at a time, starting with myself. Then let's question Abraham, who is leaning scum.

[Abraham]

Do you go out at night?

[Kobe1724]

Do you go out at night?

No.

[SmartBomb]

Kobe, don't answer his questions until he answers his.

Only fair.

Bah, too late.

Oh, and go out at night? Hell, that's scummy. Did you read any of the other posts before looking in this thread?

[Abraham]

Yes, I did.

[SmartBomb]

Why are you not answering DWW's questions?

Question for you Abraham.

[Abraham]

No thanks, I'm not answering non-important questions.

[SmartBomb]

Alrighty then, what is your full role, ability and can you sum up your role PM? :rolleyes:

[Kobe1724]

I'd like to question Abraham, but let's focus on one person at a time. We can repeat the process day 2 with the benefit of additional information. ^_^

[SmartBomb]

I think the "can you go out at night" question is much more than enough.

Oh, and I was being sarcastic.

[Kobe1724]

I think the "can you go out at night" question is much more than enough.

Oh, and I was being sarcastic.

lol I know the "tell us everything lol" is sarcasm, but I'd rather stick to one poster at a time. ^_^

[Abraham]

Can you go out at night?

[Paws7297]

Can you go out at night?

Can you go out at night?

[Abraham]

Can you go out at night?

Can you?

[Paws7297]

Can you?

Can you?

[d_w_w]

@Abraham - so, you're okay with asking people questions and not okay with answering questions. And you're apparently the final arbiter of what is and what is not an important question.

Very dangerous and self-righteous play for someone that is unproven. If you were town and I was scum, I can virtually guarantee that I could get either get you mislynched or have your role fully outed by the end of day 2. Maybe even day 1.

Fortunately for you, I'm not scum.

@Kobe - how far do you intend to go with these "questionings"? Is your goal a claimfest?

[SmartBomb]

Can you?

/nod

[Abraham]

Can you?

Can you?

[Paws7297]

Can you?

Can you?

[Abraham]

Can you?

Tell me first :D

[SmartBomb]

Guys, can't we lynch Abraham and call it a day?

[SmartBomb]

Tell me first :D

You're the one under pressure.

Tell her (?) first.

[d_w_w]

Paws, let it go.

He's not willing to play ball.

And frankly, he's making me regret two things. First, that I pointed out his request to enter the game to Anti and second that I opted to stay in this game.

/sigh.

[Paws7297]

Tell me first :D

Tell me first :D

[Abraham]

You're the one under pressure.

Tell her (?) first.

I'm not answering.

[Paws7297]

Paws, let it go.

He's not willing to play ball.

And frankly, he's making me regret two things. First, that I pointed out his request to enter the game to Anti and second that I opted to stay in this game.

/sigh.

I was having fun playing copy cat and copy/pasting everything he said.....

[Abraham]

Paws, let it go.

He's not willing to play ball.

And frankly, he's making me regret two things. First, that I pointed out his request to enter the game to Anti and second that I opted to stay in this game.

/sigh.

Why are you regretting it?

[d_w_w]

I was having fun playing copy cat and copy/pasting everything he said.....

I know.

I just think that Ryland would be displeased if the game progressed like that for too long.

We'll get deported to the dog pound and limited to one game and such.

[Antithesis]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 3 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham, hellshock70)
mjdgoldeneye- 1 ( Kobe1724)
Abraham- 3 (MichiganHero, SmartBomb, Paws7297)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

[Paws7297]

I know.

I just think that Ryland would be displeased if the game progressed like that for too long.

We'll get deported to the dog pound and limited to one game and such.

/stops.

Kay I'm done :cool:

[d_w_w]

I should apologize. I'm not trying to be bossy.

[Paws7297]

I should apologize. I'm not trying to be bossy.

Nah, no apology needed. :D

[Abraham]

I will be back in half an hour, don't bandwagon me to soon scum.

[Paws7297]

I will be back in half an hour, don't bandwagon me to soon scum.

The scum probably wouldn't bandwagon their buddie this early in the game. It's the town your worried about.

[moon_lit_tears]

And frankly, he's making me regret two things. First, that I pointed out his request to enter the game to Anti and second that I opted to stay in this game.

/sigh.

And here I thought it was because I was cute. :D

[Paws7297]

And here I thought it was because I was cute. :D

Mods are here for vote counts not random posts :p get back to your duty

[Rebelliousangel]

No thanks, I'm not answering non-important questions.

I'm not answering.

Well you don't wanna play then don't. You've proven nothing won't even anser simple pholisphy of mafia type quesrions I think you're scum.

Vote: Abraham

[Paws7297]

Well you don't wanna play then don't. You've proven nothing won't even answer simple philosophy of mafia type questions I think you're scum.

Vote: Abraham

Fixed...

When's the last time to went to sleep?

[400 ml]

HOWDY FOLKS.

I almost forgot about this game. :D

So what's happ'nin?

[Kobe1724]

Screw it:

Change Vote: Abraham

Night.

[Paws7297]

HOWDY FOLKS.

I almost forgot about this game. :D

So what's happ'nin?

We're about to lynch Abraham 'cause he's a stubborn pain in the A**

[400 ml]

Haha, so I've noticed as well.

/read up so far

So now we're at 5 for Abraham and 7 to lynch.

Are we dead on lynching him now?

[Paws7297]

Haha, so I've noticed as well.

/read up so far

So now we're at 5 for Abraham and 7 to lynch.

Are we dead on lynching him now?

Not sure....

[SmartBomb]

....

Dunno. I'd have no problem with lynching him, but we could use the most of this pha-

Oh. right. It's day 1.

[Antithesis]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 3 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham, hellshock70)
Abraham- 5 (MichiganHero, SmartBomb, Paws7297, RebelliousAngel, Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

[Paws7297]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 3 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham, hellshock70)
Abraham- 5 (MichiganHero, SmartBomb, Paws7297, RebelliousAngel, Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

The red font is scary......

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 3 (mjdgoldeneye, Abraham, hellshock70)
Abraham- 5 (MichiganHero, SmartBomb, Paws7297, RebelliousAngel, Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

Mods are here for vote counts not random posts :p get back to your duty


Shaddup

[Abraham]

Well nobody is answering my questions either, shall you lynch them after me?

[SmartBomb]

....

No. Because you have no right to ask questions.

[Abraham]

....

No. Because you have no right to ask questions.

Why not?

[SmartBomb]

Because you're on the guillotine, not someone else.

[Abraham]

Because you're on the guillotine, not someone else.

I thought the questioning was on Kobe, who asked for questions.

[Paws7297]

I thought the questioning was on Kobe, who asked for questions.

Vote: Ab..... Wait I already voted.....

[d_w_w]

Regarding Abraham's question about my regrets:

Mafia is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Right now, this isn't fun for me.

Some people have fun by winning. Some people have fun by chit chatting. Some people, like me, think that the process of a mafia game is fun. I try to win. I like to win. But honestly, Power Rangers Mafia was probably my favorite game to date and my team lost that one in a kind of a heart breaking moment toward the end.

I believe, as a good member of this community, that each one of us should strive to maximize our fun while doing trying to avoid reducing the fun of others.

Going up and down the list and forcing claims on day 1 (or 2 or 3) might be a viable strategy for increasing the town success rate. But for a lot of the veteran players here, that approach is simply not in the spirit of the game. I recall SuperOwens expressing this sentiment in a game on MJD or Astil's offshoot site at one point. If the games turned toward this style, I suspect that you would see one of two things. Mods attempting to limit roleclaiming/hinting and/or several players opting to no longer participate in the games.

Refusing to answer questions and allowing yourself to be (mis?)lynched, while demanding that people answer the questions might also be a viable strategy. And, actually, I think it is. If this Abraham "arc" played out to fruition and he is lynched, I think that I could personally gather quite a bit of useful information and would have some reasonable directions for D2. And yet this seems all so wrong.

It's fine if you're not willing to answer questions about your role (and I don't think you should on D1), but then you should at least play along and discuss why you're taking this approach. If everyone took this approach, there would be no discussion. We'd simply be asking each other "do you go out at night" and responding "I'm not answer, you answer" for ever and ever and ever... That would get these games closed down and for good reason.

Obviously, everyone's not going to adopt that strategy and so we really don't need to worry about that extreme scenario, but I think (and maybe I'm wrong) that when you enter these games, you're kind of informally agreeing to discuss things. And I'm not sure that the "Abraham" method of approaching D1 counts as discussion in any real or meaningful sense.

I know this kind of a FRAT post at this point. Sorry.

Tl;dr version: I'm regretting because the flow and substance of the game aren't conducive to my enjoyment.

[SmartBomb]

But you're not answering questions.

Therefore we don't need to answer yours.

[Rebelliousangel]

Fixed...

When's the last time to went to sleep?

Actually just woke up from a long nap about...2 hours ago. I guess I was still asleep when I typed that. lol

[Paws7297]

Actually just woke up from a long nap about...2 hours ago. I guess I was still asleep when I typed that. lol

Lol. I guess so.

[Abraham]

But you're not answering questions.

Therefore we don't need to answer yours.

Then why do I need to answer yours?

[SmartBomb]

Because no-one's asked me questions yet. I would answer questions to the best of my ability, ofc.

You don't, period.

Plus you're Kim Jong Il.

[Abraham]

Because no-one's asked me questions yet. I would answer questions to the best of my ability, ofc.

You don't, period.

Plus you're Kim Jong Il.

OK then, do you go out at night?

[SmartBomb]

/facepalm

[Rebelliousangel]

/facepalm

*sets pillow down for when the *headdesk* starts*

[Abraham]

/facepalm

I now feel no need to answer your questions

[Paws7297]

/facepalm

/facepalm

Lol. DON't answer it. We don't need everyone outted day one.

[d_w_w]

I now feel no need to answer your questions

You realize that you are probably going to get lynched, right?

[SmartBomb]

*headdesk headdesk headdesk*

[Paws7297]

You realize that you are probably going to get lynched, right?

Just 2 more votes! *Whistles innocently*

[Abraham]

You realize that you are probably going to get lynched, right?

If they lynch me they will not be happy.

[Rebelliousangel]

*headdesk headdesk headdesk*

I bet you're glad for that pillow right about now huh? :p

[SmartBomb]

You should take that statement to the bank and cash it for whatever money you can get.

I can bet it will bet worth 1 Zimbabwean dollar.

[Paws7297]

I bet you're glad for that pillow right about now huh? :p

*Throws pillow at RA*

NOw that that pillow is outta my way

/headesk

[d_w_w]

Sort of violating one of my prime rules of sensible mafia play (don't defend other people), but:

I can't put together the logic of why scum would make the move that Abraham is making. And since I can't, I won't vote.

Surely, at lynch minus two, you start thinking about breaking down and giving info or making a fake claim. Not a lot of benefit to your team in being a day 1 lynchee.

[d_w_w]

If they lynch me they will not be happy.

Some of them might.

[Paws7297]

Some of them might.

Even if he's town I will be. I can't have two people annoying the crap out of me. 1's enough

[d_w_w]

Sort of violating one of my prime rules of sensible mafia play (don't defend other people), but:

I can't put together the logic of why scum would make the move that Abraham is making. And since I can't, I won't vote.

Surely, at lynch minus two, you start thinking about breaking down and giving info or making a fake claim. Not a lot of benefit to your team in being a day 1 lynchee.

And yes, I know this leads to a WIFOM (wine in front of me) scenario. Gotta pick a glass at some point.

[Abraham]

Some of them might.

You know what I mean.

[Rebelliousangel]

If they lynch me they will not be happy.

*Throws pillow at RA*

NOw that that pillow is outta my way

/headesk

*sets down ackup pillow* and now that that's down *thows pillow at Paws* I can pillow fight with the best of them! :D

[SmartBomb]

And yes, I know this leads to a WIFOM (wine in front of me) scenario. Gotta pick a glass at some point.

I would say that Abraham is a SK, due to the writeup, but this would be a standard mafia game wouldn't it?

[Rebelliousangel]

Even if he's town I will be. I can't have two people annoying the crap out of me. 1's enough

/nod Paws..I love you. :)

[Paws7297]

*sets down backup pillow* and now that that's down *throws pillow at Paws* I can pillow fight with the best of them! :D

*Throws Tempurapedic pillow*

[Paws7297]

/nod Paws..I love you. :)

I actually wasn't referring to you..... But ok. :D

[d_w_w]

I would say that Abraham is a SK, due to the writeup, but this would be a standard mafia game wouldn't it?

Not sure I follow the "but this would be a standard mafia game" part.

[SmartBomb]

Like 1 protector, 1 investigator and 2-3 mafia.

[Rebelliousangel]

I actually wasn't referring to you..... But ok. :D

I didn't think you were, just agreeing with you're statement. That one is pleanty 2 is pushing it. :p

*throws matress pad at Paws*

[d_w_w]

Like 1 protector, 1 investigator and 2-3 mafia.

I think that the training games are intended to be pretty basic and pretty barebones.

But at 13 players, I tend to agree with MJD's early post about the setup. Probably 3 mafia and 1 SK. 4 scum total. Could be 4 mafia I guess, but I don't think that Anti would have two different methods of kill listed in the opening write up if it wasn't meaningful.

Guess we'll know soon though.

[Paws7297]

I didn't think you were, just agreeing with you're statement. That one is plenty 2 is pushing it. :p

*throws mattress pad at Paws*

stop typing so many errors in your posts. :( Now there's 3 in this game.

*Throws Tempurapedic mattress*......*Fails and falls while trying to pick it up*

[Rebelliousangel]

stop typing so many errors in your posts. :( Now there's 3 in this game.

*Throws Tempurapedic mattress*......*Fails and falls while trying to pick it up*

:p I'm going back to bed if you're gonna be mean!

[Antithesis]

Effective Immediately, Abraham has been replaced by Zeel1

Sorry for the inconvenience.

P.S. Why does this always have to happen to me...

[Paws7297]

:p I'm going back to bed if you're gonna be mean!

I'm not bein' mean. :D Or at least not to you.... Yet.....

This post is on topic....:cool:

[SmartBomb]

LOLOLOLOLOL

Change Vote: No Vote

[d_w_w]

Effective Immediately, Abraham has been replaced by Zeel1

Sorry for the inconvenience.

P.S. Why does this always have to happen to me...

I'm sorry Anti :(

Hi Zeel.

[Paws7297]

Effective Immediately, Abraham has been replaced by Zeel1

Sorry for the inconvenience.

P.S. Why does this always have to happen to me...

........Scum tell? Scum asking for him to be replaced?

Hmmm......

[Paws7297]

........Scum tell? Scum asking for him to be replaced?

Hmmm......

Change Vote: No Vote

[Rebelliousangel]

Hello Zeel..and I'm sorry Anti.

[d_w_w]

........Scum tell? Scum asking for him to be replaced?

Hmmm......

Nah. Don't know if he's scum or not, but I can't see Anti letting scum teammates kick a player out of the game.

Probably some more mundane reason for this and if we're meant to know, Anti will tell us.

[SmartBomb]

Erm, Zeel, go out at night :p?

Male, female and/or name?

[Paws7297]

Nah. Don't know if he's scum or not, but I can't see Anti letting scum teammates kick a player out of the game.

Probably some more mundane reason for this and if we're meant to know, Anti will tell us.

I could.... With reason.

[Zeel1]

Jesus Christ, I have some huge shoes to fill with this replacement... I hope I'm ready. :P

........Scum tell? Scum asking for him to be replaced?

Hmmm......

It probably has more to do with the fact that they suspect him of being JJReid... :p

[400 ml]

Makes me think why he asked for replacement...

[Paws7297]

Jesus Christ, I have some huge shoes to fill with this replacement... I hope I'm ready. :P



It probably has more to do with the fact that they suspect him of being JJReid... :p

I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought that.

[d_w_w]

It probably has more to do with the fact that they suspect him of being JJReid... :p

Exactly what I was thinking.

[SmartBomb]

Jesus Christ, I have some huge shoes to fill with this replacement... I hope I'm ready. :P



It probably has more to do with the fact that they suspect him of being JJReid... :p

/nod

[d_w_w]

Zeel, is it raining outside?

[Zeel1]

Erm, Zeel, go out at night :p?

Male, female and/or name?

The first question is one I find possibly dangerous in this size game. Cool with answering the other questions though.

I'm Male, and as for the name... just call me Drake.

[Antithesis]

Exactly what I was thinking.

All I will say is that that suspicion was brought up to me prior to the game. I decided to take a wait and see approach. I waited, and I saw. I've since contacted Derek.

Now back to the game

[SmartBomb]

It was a joke, MH used it first, and Abraham was asking everyone that question.

[400 ml]

Wait I'm confused.. Abraham was an alt account?

[Rebelliousangel]

Well now that we have someone who actually wants to participate in discussion..

Change vote: no vote

[Zeel1]

Zeel, is it raining outside?

Not sure if I follow.

[d_w_w]

Not sure if I follow.

No worries. Not important. Mostly a joke to myself.

[Paws7297]

No worries. Not important. Mostly a joke to myself.

Lol.

Did anyone else get a service error for a couple of minutes?

[d_w_w]

Wait I'm confused.. Abraham was an alt account?

Just to get this out of the way, since I can't remember if you've been in a game with him or not: when people say JJReid, they're talking about a guy that was banned from GDS but that occasionally shows up with a new name and then gets rebanned. Not confirmed that this was the case.

As for the game...

The new and interesting question for the phase: which of the 5 people voting on Abraham were scum hoping to score a quick lynch?

[Rebelliousangel]

Lol.

Did anyone else get a service error for a couple of minutes?

*raises hand*

[Paws7297]

Just to get this out of the way, since I can't remember if you've been in a game with him or not: when people say JJReid, they're talking about a guy that was banned from GDS but that occasionally shows up with a new name and then gets rebanned. Not confirmed that this was the case.

As for the game...

The new and interesting question for the phase: which of the 5 people voting on Abraham were scum hoping to score a quick lynch?

I just wanted to get rid of an annoyance.

[d_w_w]

I just wanted to get rid of an annoyance.

That's what they'll all say :)

But I'd bet good money that at least one, maybe two of you, are sporting a different color than the rest of us.

[Antithesis]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 31st to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, hellshock70)
Zeel1- 2 (MichiganHero, Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Well, I missed that fun. Anyone want to be a replacement on my site? It was going to be Abraham... :p

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 30th to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, hellshock70)
Zeel1- 2 (MichiganHero, Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)


Ahem...fixed that for ya...:)

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm willing to just pretend this phase never happened. We "learned" enough this phase for my tastes.

[Abraham]

OK all, you can ban me now but I just want to make it clear I never attempted to sabotage a game.
That is all.
:eek:

[mjdgoldeneye]

OK all, you can ban me now but I just want to make it clear I never attempted to sabotage a game.
That is all.
:eek:

You know, after I saw that you blocked access to all your information and put yourself as 104 years old or something on my site that something was up. :cool:

The admin can still see it.

[Abraham]

You know, after I saw that you blocked access to all your information and put yourself as 104 years old or something on my site that something was up. :cool:

The admin can still see it.

ARGH!
you caught one of my trademarks.

[moon_lit_tears]

Guys can we take this out of the thread. It's not meant to be in this game thread. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

Guys can we take this out of the thread. It's not meant to be in this game thread. :p

I wasn't going to say anything else... :p

[moon_lit_tears]

I wasn't going to say anything else... :p

Don't make me modkill you.

Man I've always wanted to say that. :p

[MichiganHero]

CHANGE VOTE : No Vote

Hi Zeel.

[MichiganHero]

CHANGE VOTE : No Vote

Hi Zeel.

EBWOP
CHANGE VOTE : No Vote

[SuperOwens]

@Abraham - so, you're okay with asking people questions and not okay with answering questions. And you're apparently the final arbiter of what is and what is not an important question.

Very dangerous and self-righteous play for someone that is unproven. If you were town and I was scum, I can virtually guarantee that I could get either get you mislynched or have your role fully outed by the end of day 2. Maybe even day 1.

Fortunately for you, I'm not scum.

@Kobe - how far do you intend to go with these "questionings"? Is your goal a claimfest?

Indeed. Some people are known for claiming early, some are known to rarely claim. I think I fall into the second group. I tend to only claim if near lynch. Obviously there are exeptions, I will tactically claim at points.

Scum can use knowledge like this against the town, put pressure on people early doors to get there role. Town sometimes have to be carefull to not fall into that trap. Emotion can get in the way sometimes and I'm guilty of it myself, some of the Destiny lynches for example.

Regarding Abraham's question about my regrets:

Mafia is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Right now, this isn't fun for me.

Some people have fun by winning. Some people have fun by chit chatting. Some people, like me, think that the process of a mafia game is fun. I try to win. I like to win. But honestly, Power Rangers Mafia was probably my favorite game to date and my team lost that one in a kind of a heart breaking moment toward the end.

I believe, as a good member of this community, that each one of us should strive to maximize our fun while doing trying to avoid reducing the fun of others.

Going up and down the list and forcing claims on day 1 (or 2 or 3) might be a viable strategy for increasing the town success rate. But for a lot of the veteran players here, that approach is simply not in the spirit of the game. I recall SuperOwens expressing this sentiment in a game on MJD or Astil's offshoot site at one point. If the games turned toward this style, I suspect that you would see one of two things. Mods attempting to limit roleclaiming/hinting and/or several players opting to no longer participate in the games.

Refusing to answer questions and allowing yourself to be (mis?)lynched, while demanding that people answer the questions might also be a viable strategy. And, actually, I think it is. If this Abraham "arc" played out to fruition and he is lynched, I think that I could personally gather quite a bit of useful information and would have some reasonable directions for D2. And yet this seems all so wrong.

It's fine if you're not willing to answer questions about your role (and I don't think you should on D1), but then you should at least play along and discuss why you're taking this approach. If everyone took this approach, there would be no discussion. We'd simply be asking each other "do you go out at night" and responding "I'm not answer, you answer" for ever and ever and ever... That would get these games closed down and for good reason.

Obviously, everyone's not going to adopt that strategy and so we really don't need to worry about that extreme scenario, but I think (and maybe I'm wrong) that when you enter these games, you're kind of informally agreeing to discuss things. And I'm not sure that the "Abraham" method of approaching D1 counts as discussion in any real or meaningful sense.

I know this kind of a FRAT post at this point. Sorry.

Tl;dr version: I'm regretting because the flow and substance of the game aren't conducive to my enjoyment.

Wise words :)

Effective Immediately, Abraham has been replaced by Zeel1

Sorry for the inconvenience.

P.S. Why does this always have to happen to me...

Shame. It's nice to get new blood.

[MichiganHero]

Indeed. Some people are known for claiming early, some are known to rarely claim. I think I fall into the second group. I tend to only claim if near lynch. Obviously there are exeptions, I will tactically claim at points.

Scum can use knowledge like this against the town, put pressure on people early doors to get there role. Town sometimes have to be carefull to not fall into that trap. Emotion can get in the way sometimes and I'm guilty of it myself, some of the Destiny lynches for example.



Wise words :)



Shame. It's nice to get new blood.

I like new blood if they play the game. Abraham Reid didn't want to play the full game.

[Adam Ryland]

Just to confirm, Abraham was indeed JJReid and is now banned. I've given up trying to work out why he keeps coming back every few months just to be re-banned within a day, but I think we've long since passed the point of merely being pathetic and are now firmly into the territory of mental health issues.

[BlueStar]

Just to confirm, Abraham was indeed JJReid and is now banned. I've given up trying to work out why he keeps coming back every few months just to be re-banned within a day, but I think we've long since passed the point of merely being pathetic and are now firmly into the territory of mental health issues.

Props to the guy for getting a different name and the same gimmick EACH and EVERY time!

[MichiganHero]

Just to confirm, Abraham was indeed JJReid and is now banned. I've given up trying to work out why he keeps coming back every few months just to be re-banned within a day, but I think we've long since passed the point of merely being pathetic and are now firmly into the territory of mental health issues.

He is getting easier and easier to spot. Always posts in the mafia forum and WMMA2 forums and always has weird names.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm leaving in about 2 hours for a baby shower so I won't be home for a few hours. I'm going to leave you guys at the mercy of the Evil Antithesis. :D

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 31st to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, hellshock70)
Zeel1- 1 (Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

Just to confirm, Abraham was indeed JJReid and is now banned. I've given up trying to work out why he keeps coming back every few months just to be re-banned within a day, but I think we've long since passed the point of merely being pathetic and are now firmly into the territory of mental health issues.

I actually talked to him. He wanted to be able to play and not be banned. I kinda feel sorry for him. He's going about it the wrong way.

[Kobe1724]

Now I definitely want to lynch him now that he's zeel1. :)

But...

Change Vote: No Vote.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Sorry to have been away all day(or at least most of the day), I've been preparing and working all around the house for my aunt's 50th birthday(and my mom's, they celebrate the same birthday so it's pretty big). I could only check on GDS but not post anything which would make me look like some e-Zorro or something.

I've read some things up, including the whole Abraham matter.. yeah. Oye.

SmartBomb, what is your occupation?

[Kobe1724]

@Abraham - so, you're okay with asking people questions and not okay with answering questions. And you're apparently the final arbiter of what is and what is not an important question.

Very dangerous and self-righteous play for someone that is unproven. If you were town and I was scum, I can virtually guarantee that I could get either get you mislynched or have your role fully outed by the end of day 2. Maybe even day 1.

Fortunately for you, I'm not scum.

@Kobe - how far do you intend to go with these "questionings"? Is your goal a claimfest?

Yes, my goal is always a claim fest though, statistically it's the most likely way to find scum and get accurate lynches. That said...

Regarding Abraham's question about my regrets:

Mafia is a game. Games are supposed to be fun. Right now, this isn't fun for me.

Some people have fun by winning. Some people have fun by chit chatting. Some people, like me, think that the process of a mafia game is fun. I try to win. I like to win. But honestly, Power Rangers Mafia was probably my favorite game to date and my team lost that one in a kind of a heart breaking moment toward the end.

I believe, as a good member of this community, that each one of us should strive to maximize our fun while doing trying to avoid reducing the fun of others.

Going up and down the list and forcing claims on day 1 (or 2 or 3) might be a viable strategy for increasing the town success rate. But for a lot of the veteran players here, that approach is simply not in the spirit of the game. I recall SuperOwens expressing this sentiment in a game on MJD or Astil's offshoot site at one point. If the games turned toward this style, I suspect that you would see one of two things. Mods attempting to limit roleclaiming/hinting and/or several players opting to no longer participate in the games.

Refusing to answer questions and allowing yourself to be (mis?)lynched, while demanding that people answer the questions might also be a viable strategy. And, actually, I think it is. If this Abraham "arc" played out to fruition and he is lynched, I think that I could personally gather quite a bit of useful information and would have some reasonable directions for D2. And yet this seems all so wrong.

It's fine if you're not willing to answer questions about your role (and I don't think you should on D1), but then you should at least play along and discuss why you're taking this approach. If everyone took this approach, there would be no discussion. We'd simply be asking each other "do you go out at night" and responding "I'm not answer, you answer" for ever and ever and ever... That would get these games closed down and for good reason.

Obviously, everyone's not going to adopt that strategy and so we really don't need to worry about that extreme scenario, but I think (and maybe I'm wrong) that when you enter these games, you're kind of informally agreeing to discuss things. And I'm not sure that the "Abraham" method of approaching D1 counts as discussion in any real or meaningful sense.

I know this kind of a FRAT post at this point. Sorry.

Tl;dr version: I'm regretting because the flow and substance of the game aren't conducive to my enjoyment.

Your post above (particularly the bolded part) made me change my scum list from:


Likely Scum:
Tha Black Phenom
DWW
Abraham (Now Zeel1)

to

Likely Scum:
Tha Black Phenom

Maybe it's because I'm new, but I never considered that people felt the way that you do about forcing claims/questions, but I can understand why that would be a commonly held sentiment amongst veterans even if I disagree with it.

Mafia games should be fun, and I suppose forcing claims would make it something approaching easy for people very good at spotting inconsistencies and lies. And if mafia was straight forward/formulaic/easy then I suppose it would no longer be the sort of game it was intended to be whenever it was designed way back then. :)

I'm only someone who believes in breaking a game if I believe that it takes it to the next level (I.E. for an on site example drafts in TEW where by adding 2-3 people to a draft just trying to select the workers that will give them the best show grade you force everyone to choose from just selecting their favorite workers and selecting workers that will actually make their promotion viable - in the process making for a better data set). In the case of mafia, however, I can see how while some of the ideas I've had would make things more town efficient they might not make the game better. I'll have to re-think how I play, probably. :o

As for the Abraham thing, should we be speculating on why he was kicked (it could give insight into if he was scum or town tbqh) or should we just pretend it didn't happen and allow zeel1 to start fresh? I'll go with whatever the mods/town say, but I just want to know etiquette/thought processes here. :)

[MichiganHero]

Abraham Reid was kicked due to him being JJReid's 17th (I think) account on here and once it was figured out Zeely Boy got in.

[Kobe1724]

Abraham Reid was kicked due to him being JJReid's 17th (I think) account on here and once it was figured out Zeely Boy got in.

Okay cool, thanks.

[MichiganHero]

Okay cool, thanks.

You get used to it. It has happened 3 times to me now.
Any whom back to the game.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Likely Scum:
Tha Black Phenom
DWW
Abraham (Now Zeel1)

to

Likely Scum:
Tha Black Phenom


-mumbles- yeah that's cute--

ANYWAY.

The Abraham and Kobe bandwagons interest me the most, as I see some people try to get things moving but going under the radar. Some people, instead of reasoning with Abraham, responded with votes and I think that's where things can be most telling. Personally I don't think you were gonna get guaranteed scum presence from that guy and the way he presented things. And granted that could be a genuine bad guy tactic to keep all information to oneself(would mean his role is that damn damning) but the latter I would doubt it. And the tactic overall as well.

[Kobe1724]

I was about to make a follow up post on this but as I was typing it I felt icky so I guess that answers my question on discussing it.

[Derek B]

Just to confirm, Abraham was indeed JJReid and is now banned. I've given up trying to work out why he keeps coming back every few months just to be re-banned within a day, but I think we've long since passed the point of merely being pathetic and are now firmly into the territory of mental health issues.

Bit harsh but I do wonder why he keeps coming back without trying to break the cycle.

Abraham Reid was kicked due to him being JJReid's 17th (I think) account on here and once it was figured out Zeely Boy got in.

Don't think it's that high but we're at about double figures.

I actually talked to him. He wanted to be able to play and not be banned. I kinda feel sorry for him. He's going about it the wrong way.

If you've got contact details for him or anything, put him in touch with me. If DGL is allowed on the forums with her history then JJReid has a chance at working something out. But sneaking back onto the forums is the WRONG way of doing it, he should get in touch with the forum mods (specifically ME) and show that he's willing to do things properly. Otherwise we've got his IP addresses and can find him the moment anything goes wrong and he gets banned early at the cost of being just disruptive enough to make sure he gets banned each time. So yeah... put him in touch, assuming he isn't reading this already to put himself in touch. :)

[Kobe1724]

I've thought about it and:

Change Vote: Zeel1

or

Vote: Zeel: 1

Whichever needs to happen. ^_^

[MichiganHero]

I've thought about it and:

Change Vote: Zeel1

or

Vote: Zeel: 1

Whichever needs to happen. ^_^

Reasoning?

[Kobe1724]

Reasoning?

I don't know if he was trying to sabotage the game, but the fact that the mods figured out he was this JJ Reid so quickly (I wouldn't imagine they just send request in to Adam to random ip background check new players) suggest to me that something went on off-site or on the scum boards or via PM that set off red flags.

Drama out of topic suggest something scum related, since at least to me nothing he did screamed "red alert" if he was town. If he remained quiet with some sort of town power role I guess it's good that he did, all things considered.

There's also the way that DWW interacted with him (gentle suggestions to calm down) and some of Phenom's comments (amongst other things).

It's also possible that his user profile suggested something to the mods (the 104 years old is telling, he was being difficult and was new so maybe they put 2+2 together), but most likely given MLT's comment about him not trying to sabotage the game and talking with him out of topic it was something else we didn't see. All things considered it suggest that he was the don or some sort of major scum role.

Scum = Phenom/DWW/Zeel1?

[MichiganHero]

I don't know if he was trying to sabotage the game, but the fact that the mods figured out he was this JJ Reid so quickly (I wouldn't imagine they just send request in to Adam to random ip background check new players) suggest to me that something went on off-site or on the scum boards or via PM that set off red flags.

Drama out of topic suggest something scum related, since at least to me nothing he did screamed "red alert" if he was town. If he remained quiet with some sort of town power role I guess it's good that he did, all things considered.

There's also the way that DWW interacted with him (gentle suggestions to calm down) and some of Phenom's comments (amongst other things).

It's also possible that his user profile suggested something to the mods (the 104 years old is telling, he was being difficult and was new so maybe they put 2+2 together), but most likely given MLT's comment about him not trying to sabotage the game and talking with him out of topic it was something else we didn't see. All things considered it suggest that he was the don or some sort of major scum role.

Scum = Phenom/DWW/Zeel1?

Nah, I think that an up standing member of the community *coughBHKcough* alerted the mods to a possible JJ sighting an then waited to see if it was true.

Plus if Zeel is scum, then he goes to Beta levels of awesomeness.

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 31st to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, hellshock70)
Zeel1- 1 (Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

I love baby showers. :)

[Paws7297]

It is now Day Phase 1. You have until 6 pm Eastern on Saturday, July 31st to reach a majority decision, otherwise a No Lynch will occur. With 13 players remaining it is 7 to lynch.


Kobe1724- 2 (mjdgoldeneye, hellshock70)
Zeel1- 1 (Kobe1724)
SmartBomb-1 (Tha Black Phenom)

I love baby showers. :)

Shuddup. :p I wanted to stay but someone had to bowl! :(

[Tha Black Phenom]

I don't know if he was trying to sabotage the game, but the fact that the mods figured out he was this JJ Reid so quickly (I wouldn't imagine they just send request in to Adam to random ip background check new players) suggest to me that something went on off-site or on the scum boards or via PM that set off red flags.

Drama out of topic suggest something scum related, since at least to me nothing he did screamed "red alert" if he was town. If he remained quiet with some sort of town power role I guess it's good that he did, all things considered.

There's also the way that DWW interacted with him (gentle suggestions to calm down) and some of Phenom's comments (amongst other things).

It's also possible that his user profile suggested something to the mods (the 104 years old is telling, he was being difficult and was new so maybe they put 2+2 together), but most likely given MLT's comment about him not trying to sabotage the game and talking with him out of topic it was something else we didn't see. All things considered it suggest that he was the don or some sort of major scum role.

Scum = Phenom/DWW/Zeel1?

My game wouldn't be that wide open.

How many times have people pegged head-on obvious play from myself and were proven wrong every time?

It never ends...

[Kobe1724]

My game wouldn't be that wide open.

How many times have people pegged head-on obvious play from myself and were proven wrong every time?

It never ends...

It's hard to say. You're probably scum in one of these games, but I don't know which. My thoughts are kind of jumbled when it comes to you right now. :o

[moon_lit_tears]

DAY PHASE IS OVER.

NO LYNCH HAS BEEN ACHIEVED.

...What do you mean, you want a fancy write-up? What do you think we are, creative?

*ahem*

It is now Night Phase 1. You have until 8:00 pm EDT on August 1 / 1:00 am BST August 2 to send in your night ability PM's. Make sure to send them to BOTH Antithesis and moon_lit_tears!

Deadline may be changed if Anti feels like it, though.

[Kobe1724]

Zeel, please investigate MJD.

[Zeel1]

Now I definitely want to lynch him now that he's zeel1. :)

But...

Change Vote: No Vote.

Aww, I want to lynch you too, Hayden. <3

-mumbles- yeah that's cute--

ANYWAY.

The Abraham and Kobe bandwagons interest me the most, as I see some people try to get things moving but going under the radar. Some people, instead of reasoning with Abraham, responded with votes and I think that's where things can be most telling. Personally I don't think you were gonna get guaranteed scum presence from that guy and the way he presented things. And granted that could be a genuine bad guy tactic to keep all information to oneself(would mean his role is that damn damning) but the latter I would doubt it. And the tactic overall as well.

I really can't blame people for voting Abraham. I was watching along with the game, and honestly thought that if I were in it, I'd be voting him too. I thought to myself, "Well I sure as hell wouldn't be letting this go on all damned game..." :D

Nah, I think that an up standing member of the community *coughBHKcough* alerted the mods to a possible JJ sighting an then waited to see if it was true.

Plus if Zeel is scum, then he goes to Beta levels of awesomeness.

Was it not you?

I recall you telling me of your suspicions as the day went on, so I thought it might've been you that recommended it. Eh...

Zeel, please investigate MJD.

Doing the deceit thing again, eh? As a bit of advice, I warn you not to do it quite so much this game, as lying is considered even less forgivable in games like this where one or two mislynches can break a game.

As far as investigating goes... you know what, I was going to confirm or deny where or not I had that role, but then I thought, perhaps that was exactly why you asked this of me... ;)

Giving that, I would rather not comment until I feel more reason to trust you...

[mjdgoldeneye]

For the sake of teaching:

Zeel, please investigate MJD.

You still haven't learned to have any subtlety. You've completely invalidated the results of him doing that.

First of all, why are you so sure he's an investigator? I didn't get that hint. If I'm scum (or if ANYONE is scum), you've just led them right to him. Secondly, I'm not all that sure he is an investigator. You might have made him a target for no reason.

Third, you've just alerted any possible framers to target me or, if I'm scum, anti-framers. Plus, if I'm the don, investigating me is useless and in a game this size, even if you assume I'm scum, you have a 1/4 shot at best of me turning up town regardless.

All of this is because I voted on you for shallow reason (meaning if I am scum, you get very little from lynching me). If you're hoping for me to come up scum so you'll be cleared: 1. Me being scum has no bearing on your alignment because I never had any meaningful reason for voting on you in the first place. 2. If I were scum, I'd have you killed ASAP. 3. I'm not scum anyway so all of this is silly.

What are you thinking? Are you familiar with the scientific method? It applies to mafia. If you impart any bias on a trial at all, you invalidate the trial.

For new players: NEVER publicly ask for someone to target someone.

[Antithesis]

It is now Night Phase 1. You have until 8:00 pm EDT on August 1 / 1:00 am BST August 2 to send in your night ability PM's. Make sure to send them to BOTH Antithesis and moon_lit_tears!



Don't forget to send in those PM to BOTH mods. The sooner its done the sooner the night phase can end.

Also wanna publicly thank MLT for carrying my slack. If we aren't all careful, she may just want to start modding these games by herself. :D

[BHK1978]

Nah, I think that an up standing member of the community *coughBHKcough* alerted the mods to a possible JJ sighting an then waited to see if it was true.

Plus if Zeel is scum, then he goes to Beta levels of awesomeness.

Just wanted to say this had nothing to do with me. The good people of GDS found this out on their own.

Goes back to being on the bench.

[hellshock70]

vote: MLT :p

Sorry I've been away today but great job on Abraham "Cancan" Reid. :p

[Kobe1724]

Aww, I want to lynch you too, Hayden. <3

You said you had big shoes to fill. In a game this size you're either the don or PI. :)



I really can't blame people for voting Abraham. I was watching along with the game, and honestly thought that if I were in it, I'd be voting him too. I thought to myself, "Well I sure as hell wouldn't be letting this go on all damned game..." :D

Hmmm...

Doing the deceit thing again, eh? As a bit of advice, I warn you not to do it quite so much this game, as lying is considered even less forgivable in games like this where one or two mislynches can break a game.

As far as investigating goes... you know what, I was going to confirm or deny where or not I had that role, but then I thought, perhaps that was exactly why you asked this of me... ;)

Like I said, you're most likely the don or PI based on your comments and Abraham's behavior. If you're the PI then please investigate MJD. If you're the don I'll get you for sure, this time.

As for the "deceit" thing, yes I am playing the way in this game as I am in Movieland. Great chance o check some of my strategies against variance. Any deceit on my part is up to you and others to decipher, I suppose.

Giving that, I would rather not comment until I feel more reason to trust you...

I'm not asking for a comment.

[Kobe1724]

For the sake of teaching:



You still haven't learned to have any subtlety. You've completely invalidated the results of him doing that.

First of all, why are you so sure he's an investigator? I didn't get that hint. If I'm scum (or if ANYONE is scum), you've just led them right to him. Secondly, I'm not all that sure he is an investigator. You might have made him a target for no reason.

Third, you've just alerted any possible framers to target me or, if I'm scum, anti-framers. Plus, if I'm the don, investigating me is useless and in a game this size, even if you assume I'm scum, you have a 1/4 shot at best of me turning up town regardless.

All of this is because I voted on you for shallow reason (meaning if I am scum, you get very little from lynching me). If you're hoping for me to come up scum so you'll be cleared: 1. Me being scum has no bearing on your alignment because I never had any meaningful reason for voting on you in the first place. 2. If I were scum, I'd have you killed ASAP. 3. I'm not scum anyway so all of this is silly.

What are you thinking? Are you familiar with the scientific method? It applies to mafia. If you impart any bias on a trial at all, you invalidate the trial.

For new players: NEVER publicly ask for someone to target someone.

Why so aggressive? If you're town you have nothing to fear from zeel's investigation result.

[moon_lit_tears]

Also wanna publicly thank MLT for carrying my slack. If we aren't all careful, she may just want to start modding these games by herself. :D
Evil Anti is being nice. I'm scared. :p

Ha! That's not going to happen. :p

vote: MLT :p

Sorry I've been away today but great job on Abraham "Cancan" Reid. :p

Tazes Hellshock

[Kobe1724]

It's weird, but I feel like I already have a good idea of who is who around here. I don't know if I will live to the end or if we will even win, but I have a clear headed confidence about me just now. :)

[Kobe1724]

For the sake of teaching:



You still haven't learned to have any subtlety. You've completely invalidated the results of him doing that.

First of all, why are you so sure he's an investigator? I didn't get that hint. If I'm scum (or if ANYONE is scum), you've just led them right to him. Secondly, I'm not all that sure he is an investigator. You might have made him a target for no reason.

Third, you've just alerted any possible framers to target me or, if I'm scum, anti-framers. Plus, if I'm the don, investigating me is useless and in a game this size, even if you assume I'm scum, you have a 1/4 shot at best of me turning up town regardless.

All of this is because I voted on you for shallow reason (meaning if I am scum, you get very little from lynching me). If you're hoping for me to come up scum so you'll be cleared: 1. Me being scum has no bearing on your alignment because I never had any meaningful reason for voting on you in the first place. 2. If I were scum, I'd have you killed ASAP. 3. I'm not scum anyway so all of this is silly.

What are you thinking? Are you familiar with the scientific method? It applies to mafia. If you impart any bias on a trial at all, you invalidate the trial.

For new players: NEVER publicly ask for someone to target someone.

Btw, new players don't take MJD too seriously when he gets like this. There isn't really a "right" way to play mafia. You'll probably end up dead in most situations regardless. My recommendation is to go with your gut, and to do interesting things and see how people react. ^_^

[Kobe1724]

Also for the record, MJD does reacted in a very scummy way. The probability that he's scum is around 55% right now.

[SmartBomb]

Vig, kill Kobe tonight.

By your reasoning, the vig will listen to me, and you will die. :D

Anyways, someone asked a question. TBP.

I used to look after your puppies. :) If you had any. Or do you like cats? :)

[Kobe1724]

Vig, kill Kobe tonight.

By your reasoning, the vig will listen to me, and you will die. :D

Anyways, someone asked a question. TBP.

I used to look after your puppies. :) If you had any. Or do you like cats? :)

Zeel and I are friends. If he's the PI, he will definitely look into MJD. :)

[Kobe1724]

SmartBomb, I can't determine if you're appearing more town to me because you actually are town, or because you've just figured out the proper way to deal with me.

SmartBomb, if you were the mafia don who would you target tonight?

[SmartBomb]

Errrr..... wut?

wut? :/

Errr... you? Because you're asking too many questions?

Odd question tbh.

[SmartBomb]

Strange, half my post disappeared...

One of the vets, probably.

[Kobe1724]

Errrr..... wut?

wut? :/

Errr... you? Because you're asking too many questions?

Odd question tbh.

At the beginning of the Movieland I didn't really like you (I didn't dislike you, but I didn't like you, either), and I thought you were almost certainly scum. Now in that game I've grown to like you and think it's less likely you're scum.

I also like you in this game, and find it unlikely that you're scum. However, a big part of that is probably that I enjoy your personality, presently. So I'm accentuating your good traits and ignoring the scummy things. In actuality, you probably haven't become any less scummy. :cool:

Some people like Derek and Zeel have the ability to appear scummy while being likable at the same time. Most people are either townish and likable or scummy and unlikable, which makes it easy to get a read on them. Just feel for vibes. The people that are just plain old unlikeable I stay away from because I can't read them, but they're few and far between.

Anyway, I had my reasons for asking the 2nd question. You gave the answer I expected.

[Kobe1724]

Actually, now that I think about it the unconditionally likable people like hellshock are the hardest people to read, because when they come up scum you don't want it to be true so you look for reasons that it isn't.

Anyway, I'm going to bed.

Night. :)

[Zeel1]

You said you had big shoes to fill. In a game this size you're either the don or PI. :)

I wasn't referring to my role, I meant the awesome guy that I replaced. How am I supposed to live up to his precedent?! The bar is just too high! :D

Like I said, you're most likely the don or PI based on your comments and Abraham's behavior. If you're the PI then please investigate MJD. If you're the don I'll get you for sure, this time.

I would so love to be the don again... :D

As for the "deceit" thing, yes I am playing the way in this game as I am in Movieland. Great chance o check some of my strategies against variance. Any deceit on my part is up to you and others to decipher, I suppose.

When I said deceit, I was referring to how you had me on a few of your scumlists throughout the day, but then as soon as night struck, you said "Hey you're obviously a cop, look into this person!" :p

Reminded of what you did with Eay in CFC, except, you know, reversed.

Zeel and I are friends. If he's the PI, he will definitely look into MJD. :)

Don't get me wrong, I do like you and see a lot of promise in you (and think you're cute :p) but that really isn't true. I wouldn't base my target off of your suggestion - not because I don't respect your opinion, but because as of yet I have no reason to trust you. And honestly, there's a lot of scummy intentions I can get from you asking me to look into MJD as soon as the night phase started.

Maybe you did indeed think I was a cop, and tried to get me to waste an investigation on someone who isn't on your team? (Or alternatively, the don of your team.) Or, like I sort of said, maybe you weren't sure if I was a cop or not, and asked that to see if I'd confirm or deny it, so you could then either know who to try and eventually kill, or narrow down who the cop really is?

Perhaps you did say it with only the best of intentions. But you understand where I'm going with this... I can't trust you, or really anyone else.

Not yet.

[Kobe1724]

I wasn't referring to my role, I meant the awesome guy that I replaced. How am I supposed to live up to his precedent?! The bar is just too high! :D

Sometimes I jump to conclusions too quickly. Possibly my biggest weakness in mafia. If you don't wait long enough to get results sometimes the conclusions are incomplete.


I would so love to be the don again... :D

I would also love it. That was my best game and to see us not win it hurt, espescially since my result on you allowed you to skate for so long. :o:mad::p


When I said deceit, I was referring to how you had me on a few of your scumlists throughout the day, but then as soon as night struck, you said "Hey you're obviously a cop, look into this person!" :p

Reminded of what you did with Eay in CFC, except, you know, reversed.


Ah yes, that. Well to be honest this game I'm just throwing out statements and seeing what sticks. I'm probably a bit mafia burned out (will take a break after these two games are over) and am cutting corners/playing in a rushed way these past few days. Accusing you of being the don didn't stick and my theory had a million holes in it so I started again. ^_^


Don't get me wrong, I do like you and see a lot of promise in you (and think you're cute :p) but that really isn't true. I wouldn't base my target off of your suggestion - not because I don't respect your opinion, but because as of yet I have no reason to trust you. And honestly, there's a lot of scummy intentions I can get from you asking me to look into MJD as soon as the night phase started.

Maybe you did indeed think I was a cop, and tried to get me to waste an investigation on someone who isn't on your team? (Or alternatively, the don of your team.) Or, like I sort of said, maybe you weren't sure if I was a cop or not, and asked that to see if I'd confirm or deny it, so you could then either know who to try and eventually kill, or narrow down who the cop really is?

Perhaps you did say it with only the best of intentions. But you understand where I'm going with this... I can't trust you, or really anyone else.

Not yet.

1. Thank you for the compliment.

2. Normally I put a lot of thought into everything I say and do (really), but this day phase my only goal was to generate action and with that, claims. I just said whatever I felt like I gauged people's reactions. That's part laziness, and part an experiment given the games size. The margin for error in this game is too small to wait around for the scum to lynch people tbqh.

[Kobe1724]

* Scum to kill people, correction.

[SmartBomb]

One, two, three. One two three.


DESTINY WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUU

but seriously, anyone know?

[MichiganHero]

Destiny is playing :O

Anyway, if Destiny survives the night and doesn't say anything, then I know where my vote will be!

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now Night Phase 1. You have until 8:00 pm EDT on August 1 / 1:00 am BST August 2 to send in your night ability PM's. Make sure to send them to BOTH Antithesis and moon_lit_tears!



Don't forget to send in those PM to BOTH mods. The sooner its done the sooner the night phase can end.

[MichiganHero]

I just realised something. Moon lit, you cannot N1 kill DWW in this game :P

[moon_lit_tears]

I just realised something. Moon lit, you cannot N1 kill DWW in this game :P


Well I COULD, but I won't. :D

[d_w_w]

There's also the way that DWW interacted with him (gentle suggestions to calm down).


I'd like to refer you to two posts: #22 in this thread)

The summary of #22 in this thread: know the other players.

And then I'd like to you read posts #15, #25, and #42 in the sign up thread (by Anti). I realize of course, that you have no reason to buy that this is my standard posting style based on what was said outside of the game. However, given that we have not played together (at least not in any real sense, I think I was killed on night 1 before you replaced into Catfish Creek), this is my attempt at giving you a short hand on how I play. This seems only fair to me, as I already know a bit about your play style (I've read all of the games that you've played, though not as closely as I would have read them had I been alive or involved).

The point: I'm almost always gentle (I've had pretty good success with the carrot in this game, very little with the stick) and I try my best to be helpful. This is I think, a fair generalization of my play style across games and alignment. In this training game, I'm going to make every effort to be as helpful as I can be and am making that my primary goal (above even winning and definitely above surviving).

And when I'm not gentle, I apologize (I think I've done that in this thread already). Which reminds me, I think I owe an apology to BHK for the beginning of SW3 :(

[MichiganHero]

I'd like to refer you to two posts: #22 in this thread)

The summary of #22 in this thread: know the other players.

And then I'd like to you read posts #15, #25, and #42 in the sign up thread (by Anti). I realize of course, that you have no reason to buy that this is my standard posting style based on what was said outside of the game. However, given that we have not played together (at least not in any real sense, I think I was killed on night 1 before you replaced into Catfish Creek), this is my attempt at giving you a short hand on how I play. This seems only fair to me, as I already know a bit about your play style (I've read all of the games that you've played, though not as closely as I would have read them had I been alive or involved).

The point: I'm almost always gentle (I've had pretty good success with the carrot in this game, very little with the stick) and I try my best to be helpful. This is I think, a fair generalization of my play style across games and alignment. In this training game, I'm going to make every effort to be as helpful as I can be and am making that my primary goal (above even winning and definitely above surviving).

And when I'm not gentle, I apologize (I think I've done that in this thread already). Which reminds me, I think I owe an apology to BHK for the beginning of SW3 :(

Yup, The ALPHA'S sent the merc (Moon_lit_tears) after you.