geographical breakdown of Japan general discussion

[TeemuFoundation]

Beat panix to it. And Adam also let me know that I suck. Thank you very much, Adam, for telling me that. I truly appreciate it.

[panix04]

damn you Teemu, on the brightside atleast i dont suck! Infact seeing as i own wrespi2 i probably would be classed as cool! Having said that i cant say that i have really noticed the regions in Japan as my wrespi character is working on getting over in the Uk and US atm. Its kind of a minor thing today isnt it?

Deviating a little bit, there have been a lot of changes made that seem to really only effect the Japanese scene, im not complaining and the thought of playing as a Japanese fed is a lot more appealing now, but i would guess that a majority of people tend to plump for a US based fed (based upon the dynastys section) can we expect some US exclusive changes? Or are the Japan changes being made because the current game mechanics didnt allow for Japanese wrestling to be acuratly simulated?

EDIT: i deleted my first post! Woot, no double posting for me today!

[BoyDay]

Even though a lot of the changes have been put in to better simulate the Japanese industry, almost every single one of them I have read and thought immediately of a way it would also apply to the US industry, so it's all good because these will improve my game as a US fed.

[Maxi]

Adam is a bit edgy with the whole you suck thing :D

Im happy about the feature, thats for sure. Im hoping for just as much focus on titles as there seems to be for Japan...

[That Crazy Guy]

Oh Adam, how you make me laugh. :D It's a pretty cool thing to have in my opinion. I liked it on WreSpi 2 and it'll be cool here.

Right when I get the game, I'm immediately going to try out Japan. It is going to be absoulutely amazing with how Adam's caught Japan.

[Anubis]

Is it really going to be "more realistic", though? I mean, seriously, I'm no expert by any means, but is Japan really big enough to maintain eight regions? The whole country is like the size of California. What makes these regions so special compared to the varying regions of the United States?

[Genadi]

I love it coz it means I can make the four new areas into Australia:D :D :D

[Genadi]

Is it really going to be "more realistic", though? I mean, seriously, I'm no expert by any means, but is Japan really big enough to maintain eight regions? The whole country is like the size of California. What makes these regions so special compared to the varying regions of the United States?

Of course it is, don't look at the size look at the industry. Mexico is the size of California but it has 3 regions in the game for good reason

Besides, as I said above now I can turn Japan into "Asia" and the new 4 into Oz.

[FINisher]

"For those of you who haven't tried WreSpi2, first of all you suck" Nice one. Yeah. But come on, atleast I've never seen Adam curse on the fans. And altought it (that sentence) tried to be funny, it kinda wasn't. The comical value just wasn't there, I think he legimately meant what he said. :D But yeah, more is more, and it's nicer to have 8 regions in Japan. :) Like in WreSpi.

EDIT: TEEMU, YOU SUCK!! YOU SUCK!! *didi didi diiiidii* .. Well, I don't. Purchased WreSpi II the first day it was released. Nice to bash other finns here :P

[TCP1]

Excellent feature that should allow for a deeper and more rounded experience when playing as a Jap fed!

It always struck me as strange that Japan was so small in the other games, it means it's difficult for a Japanese fed to grow in size, when it probably should!

[Adam Ryland]

can we expect some US exclusive changes? Or are the Japan changes being made because the current game mechanics didnt allow for Japanese wrestling to be acuratly simulated?

Exactly. Remember that the game was written from a westernized point of view, so everything already is biased towards America, what we're doing by making Japanese-exclusive features is open the game out a little more.

[The Ego]

I cant wait, ive always fancied being NJPW, now i can correctly, top marks team.

[jagilki]

To tell the truth, Ada.. excuse me, Mr. Ryland could add pink bunnies and drunken hipos and most of us would still play the game.[/joke]

Eh, what's to say? I like the feature. I don't see how this one should be controversial in any way.

Somebody probably won't like it just to make me a liar.

[andytaker]

I love it coz it means I can make the four new areas into Australia:D :D :D


Oh Its true Its True,

Aussies Region editing is a must

[Woodsmeister]

i dont even know which cities and such make up the areas in japan when there was only four so this will be more confusing, same goes for canada and mexico. i only know the US cos i check with TEW 2004. is there anywhere i can find which cities are in which areas?

[Adam Ryland]

is there anywhere i can find which cities are in which areas?

An Atlas. Japan's regions are all real, unlike the US, so you can use any atlas to find out which cities are in which region.

[Adam Ryland]

I love it coz it means I can make the four new areas into Australia:D :D :D

What makes you think you can do that? Japan's a defined area, if you use half of it as Australia then you're not going to be able to stop all the Japanese promotions from spending half their time touring Oz.

[TCP1]

An Atlas. Japan's regions are all real, unlike the US, so you can use any atlas to find out which cities are in which region.

Lol SERVED!

But seriously, this will just highlight the fact that I know bugger all about Japan when it comes to releasing my 1993 and 1996 mods! Anyone care to lend a hand?

[Genadi]

What makes you think you can do that? Japan's a defined area, if you use half of it as Australia then you're not going to be able to stop all the Japanese promotions from spending half their time touring Oz.


If it means Oz is included it's a small price to pay;)

[Genadi]

Lol SERVED!

But seriously, this will just highlight the fact that I know bugger all about Japan when it comes to releasing my 1993 and 1996 mods! Anyone care to lend a hand?


I can give you a hand on the major guys and feds but indys will be tough, I wish some Japanese dudes played this game.

[Lukiep8]

Is it really going to be "more realistic", though? I mean, seriously, I'm no expert by any means, but is Japan really big enough to maintain eight regions? The whole country is like the size of California. What makes these regions so special compared to the varying regions of the United States?

It was VERY unrealistic only having the four regions, as it was so hard to accurately portray a proper promotion, as most promotions just tour around the Honshu area, so that was the only one really being used.
Now Honshu is broken up into each area, so if you are Michinoku Puro, you can accurately depict them in their Tohoku region.
If you are Osaka puro, then you can place them in that region.

All of the 8 regions are based off the actual sub-regions of Japan.

[D-Lyrium]

Think of it like this:

Japan is a series of islands (hopefully that isn't new information ¬_¬), of which there are four main ones (Honshu, Hokkaido, Shikoku and Kyushu, the regions in TEW05).

However, unlike America or Mexico, where loads of people live in every region, most of Japan's population live on Honshu (where Tokyo, Yokohama, and most of the other large cities you've probably heard of are). So logically that's where most of the wrestling feds are going to be based.

Hokkaido (the second largest island in terms of land mass) is mainly forest, mountains and farms IIRC. Kyushu (which if my Year Nine Geography holds any water has Japan's largest volcano on it ¬_¬) has quite a few people too. Shikoku is largely deserted if memory serves, because it's dominated by a load of mountains.

So you can see that having Japan split into it's four islands isn't going to be very realistic. It'd be a bit like having the USA split into "Mainland US", "Alaska", "Hawaii" and "Puerto Rico".

So yeah, there's your probably-highly-innacurate Geography lesson for the day :p

[weirdo_man]

Oh... the regions were four separate islands? Heh, I didn't know this/Remember it from TEW2004. Yeah, how could you have ever made a living not in Honshu then?

[darkfire423]

Oh... the regions were four separate islands? Heh, I didn't know this/Remember it from TEW2004. Yeah, how could you have ever made a living not in Honshu then?
You could.......you just had to do some interesting booking


Thank god.....i mean thank adam........ Japan is broken up now.........

[Remianen]

Is it really going to be "more realistic", though? I mean, seriously, I'm no expert by any means, but is Japan really big enough to maintain eight regions? The whole country is like the size of California. What makes these regions so special compared to the varying regions of the United States?

Anubis, you're not getting the significance. Let me pose a few questions to you:

How many divisions does the NFL have? Major League Baseball? The NBA? Now, does every team in the NFL run the exact same offense or defense? No, they don't. It may seem like it to the casual fan but the casual fan in wrestling doesn't know of or understand the subtleties either.

Japan's divisions are exactly like the ones I described above. Wrestling is as much a part of everyday life & interest as the NFL or NBA is here. It has more to do with accurate portrayal of population than anything else. You also have to remember that wrestling has a far higher profile there than it does here, so accurate portrayal is more important than it would be here.

And as far as the country's geographical size is concerned, that's meaningless. Remember, trends vary by region. What's hot in LA isn't necessarily going to be hot here in New York (though the reverse isn't true).

So you can see that having Japan split into it's four islands isn't going to be very realistic. It'd be a bit like having the USA split into "Mainland US", "Alaska", "Hawaii" and "Puerto Rico".

Man, no love for the Virgin Islands or American Samoa? :(

[gbasalmon]

Anubis, you're not getting the significance. Let me pose a few questions to you:

How many divisions does the NFL have? Major League Baseball? The NBA? Now, does every team in the NFL run the exact same offense or defense? No, they don't. It may seem like it to the casual fan but the casual fan in wrestling doesn't know of or understand the subtleties either.

Japan's divisions are exactly like the ones I described above. Wrestling is as much a part of everyday life & interest as the NFL or NBA is here. It has more to do with accurate portrayal of population than anything else. You also have to remember that wrestling has a far higher profile there than it does here, so accurate portrayal is more important than it would be here.

And as far as the country's geographical size is concerned, that's meaningless. Remember, trends vary by region. What's hot in LA isn't necessarily going to be hot here in New York (though the reverse isn't true).



Man, no love for the Virgin Islands or American Samoa? :(

I guess you could pose it this way ... if Rey Misterio somehow got elected to the U.S. Senate or the California State Senate, do you think they would let him keep his mask on like the Great Sasuke was allowed to?

[Remianen]

I guess you could pose it this way ... if Rey Misterio somehow got elected to the U.S. Senate or the California State Senate, do you think they would let him keep his mask on like the Great Sasuke was allowed to?

That is a great example! And no, Rey wouldn't even be able to RUN for office without removing his mask.

[juggaloninjalee]

Oh he could run he just wouldnt win.

[braveheart_por]

i think its nice, for the realism upgrade of the game!
But then could i suggest you at least divide europe? in countries... lol
it doesnt have to be all of them... but probably just the main countries... of European Union + Russia, cause we're watching on the web, a lot of backyard feds coming up, and some small ones, starting to come out of the bigger countries, like, france, italy, germany and spain...
i would definitily start a "new" fed here in portugal! :)
keep up the good work Adam! :)

[Remianen]

i think its nice, for the realism upgrade of the game!
But then could i suggest you at least divide europe? in countries... lol
it doesnt have to be all of them... but probably just the main countries... of European Union + Russia, cause we're watching on the web, a lot of backyard feds coming up, and some small ones, starting to come out of the bigger countries, like, france, italy, germany and spain...
i would definitily start a "new" fed here in portugal! :)
keep up the good work Adam! :)

With all due respect, until Portugal produces a wrestling history as deep as Japan's, I don't see that happening. Besides, there are like eleventy billion countries in Europe with all the -stans that seem to pop up every decade. There are only 25 member nations in the European Union. There are more countries in EASTERN EUROPE than that, counting all the splinter nations (Azerbaijan and the like).

This was just a move to make the single largest and probably most storied wrestling market, more accurate to depict. Just like the Young boy thing and the dojos (which isn't even an American or European term) and such. Would be nice for those folks who like to play Japanese promotions to be able to have the game make it possible to use Japanese mods accurately. Would even be nice to finally have a Puroresu mod amidst the 70,000 WWE/TNA mods (*pokes Lukie*).

[MarcK]

For those unfamiliar, here's a picture of Japan, with Honshu highlighted in brown, courtesy of Wikipedia:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a4/Japan_honshu_map_small.png

So you can see how it's a bit silly for that whole place to be grouped into one.

Assuming the new regions will be unchanged from WreSpi2 (I'm sure Adam would've mentioned any alterations), it'll look like this:

Tohoku
Kanto
Chubu
Kinki
Chugoku
Shikoku
Kyushu
Hokkaido

The former five of which are the prefectures of Honshu, and the latter three were already in the game.

[TeemuFoundation]

EDIT: TEEMU, YOU SUCK!! YOU SUCK!! *didi didi diiiidii* .. Well, I don't. Purchased WreSpi II the first day it was released. Nice to bash other finns here :P
Herneet. Well, I apologize for my sense of humor (or lack of) but I just found the "you suck" comment from Adam a bit pointless, stupid and immature. I would have taken it from some random dude in the forums, but from Adam... weird.

[panix04]

i thought it was comic genius! And theres no such thing as a random person on this forums - everyone is special!

[Adam Ryland]

It was meant to be light-hearted. :confused: Clearly it doesn't translate well to Finnish.

[panix04]

lol, Adam is on fire at the moment! "you go girl!"

[TeemuFoundation]

It was meant to be light-hearted. :confused: Clearly it doesn't translate well to Finnish.
I understood you were joking. It was just odd hearing a childish comment from you. You being the Almighty Adam Ryland. It's same thing with bands: I would find it weird if a band were to say: "If you don't have our latest album yet, you're stupid!" But anyways, I'll try and lighten up. Proceed.

[panix04]

I was watching an interview with James once and they said someting like "its on the latest albumn - if you havent heard it, why not?" so i think such things are kinda commonplace. It was just off the cuff and if im not mistaken a bit of a cheap plug as well.

I hate hidden agenda's.....





















.....go buy wrespi2!

[Thriller]

Are you saying he's trying to brainwash us into buying his game via insults?

[Lukiep8]

Would even be nice to finally have a Puroresu mod amidst the 70,000 WWE/TNA mods (*pokes Lukie*).

Well... I have been releasing updates ever since EWR. I did a bunch for 04 AND 05, and plan on doing a release ASAP for 07.

[jagilki]

Brainwashing only works on those that
Understand what they are supposed to do.
You have to think long and hard on

What you are going to do.
Research is
Evereything when moving in that direction
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
Each person has their own way of
Seeing the world.
Perhaps you git
It. Perhaps not. I'm sure
2 people at least will.

[Thriller]

Of course for all we know Adam could be locked in a hatch somewhere, pressing the same button over and over every 108 minutes and making a pro wrestling simulation game because he thinks its "saving the world."

Or not. I've been watching alot of Lost.

But this feature sounds cool, the more features to do with Japan is a good thing in my book.

[braveheart_por]

In short answer, to the other guy, saying theres a million other countries in europe...
I was making a small joke, with the segmenting of europe... even thought, germany and italy, are starting to developt wrestling...
I know that japan as a great history in wrestling, just like mexico...
Just no need to talk smack on Europe and its countries...

And after all i did say i liked the japan segregation... imagine if i said i didnt like it... lol
but no harm no foul! just, keep up the good work adam... TEW 2007 I WILL DEFINITELY BUY! :)

[Remianen]

In short answer, to the other guy, saying theres a million other countries in europe...
I was making a small joke, with the segmenting of europe... even thought, germany and italy, are starting to developt wrestling...
I know that japan as a great history in wrestling, just like mexico...
Just no need to talk smack on Europe and its countries...

And after all i did say i liked the japan segregation... imagine if i said i didnt like it... lol
but no harm no foul! just, keep up the good work adam... TEW 2007 I WILL DEFINITELY BUY! :)

Bleh, that didn't come across right. What I meant was, there are many areas where wrestling is developing a following (the aforementioned India, Australia, Portugal, etc) but as for being an area in the game, I think the criteria should remain fairly stringent. I look at it like this: If an area cannot support wrestling promotions with home-grown talent (something the US, Mexico, Japan, and the UK can and are doing), it should be considered a 'developing territory' but not given its own overness region. Europe as a region can support its own promotions, if its workers didn't automatically run to the UK or Japan straight away. I've seen wrestling shows in the Ukraine and it's SO close to Strong Style (actually, more of a Strong Style/MMA amalgam) that it makes sense though. Wait til Elena Hochikova (or something like that) makes it to a bigger territory. Her suplexes are just visually stunning and her punches look like they could shatter a MAN'S orbital bone.

I wasn't shouting down the possibility of further expansion of this area. Just saying basically, "baby steps". Japan needed to be further detailed. Perhaps by the version after 07 (09?), other areas of the world will have developed sufficiently to make a strong case for further detailing as well.

[panix04]

i see a future where the USA is broken down into states, and the UK into countys, and australians get to play in there hometown! :rolleyes: 2011 anybody?

[Steam☆Odin]

Awww.. no Ryukyu Island region... kind of dissapointed.. I did live in that area for five years and all...

[Lukiep8]

Well given no wrestling actually travels out to there... It's not really important.

[Nachtfalter]

Well given no wrestling actually travels out to there... It's not really important.

Plus, there's no Achill Island region for Ireland or a Southern Bavaria region for Germany either, now is there? ;)

I think Japan is perfectly accurate with eight regions. Hope that Europe will be amped up a little too, though.