TEW 2007 Calandar system

[Consrvtve]

2004 was great but 2005's calandar really threw me off because not every month is 4 weeks and it really screwed up the booking when it came to things like writing a diary and keeping it realistic. Any chance we'll see a return to 2004's calandar or maybe a choice between the two systems to fit more players?

[dvdWarrior]

I think I read in here a while back that the calender system was going to be the same as it was in 2005.

I can't say for sure though.

[NickC13573]

yes thats wat adam said

[Akki]

You have to remember that Adam used the 4 week calendar for simplicity purposes in coding. Otherwise, it would be a hell of a lot harder to make the game, as so many things have to do with the date. So it's a small sacrifice to make for the sake of the game being good. Plus, just pretend that you're promotion takes time off for the last 1, 2, or 3 (depending on the month) days of the month. But really, people who read diaries here already know about the calendar system, so it doesn't throw them off. Or you could just explain it creatively (I said that some intern named 'Adam Ryland' gave me a weird calendar).

And really, I think it makes everything easier in terms of organization. Except maybe for title histories, but oh well.

[Lukiep8]

I LOVED the four week calendar system, and it was great with my diary writing aswell.

If I wanted to hold a show on the 20th September, I would go through the computer calendar, find out what day and week it was in September, and throw it in the game like that... It only matted for exact accuracy in my diary, while the game allowed for simplicity and continuation.

[Remianen]

Any chance we'll see a return to 2004's calandar or maybe a choice between the two systems to fit more players?

No chance at all, I'd say. I don't think you know what you're asking for here. You're asking for two completely different engines for the same game. That's like asking Nissan to give you a hybrid and a V8 for your Maxima.

If you do a search in the TEW 2005 general discussion forum for 'calendar', you'll find Adam's response when people complained about it in 05.

[Thomnipotent]

Come on, now. We're all wrestling fans here. You can't tell me that nobody here has fallen into 'suspension of disbelief' at least a few times. :P

I don't even really think about the way an actual calendar is structured when I'm playing TEW... I think about the way the TEW calendar is structured. I can't say that it bothers me one bit, honestly.

It's the way it is because that makes it easier to schedule weekly and monthly shows (my best guess, actually; I remember how TEW2004 and the EW series suffered from implementing a 'real' calendar). It works, so it works. And if it works, it's good. :)

[juggaloninjalee]

If anything I had trouble with 04s calendar because I associate a month as 4 weeks so sometimes I would have 5 weekly shows before my next ppv but I only had 4 thought out so I had 1 slacked up thrown together card that always came out bad. The 05 calendar is the best way to go. So if you hold all of your PPVs or big events on the 4th week of the month then you know how many shows you have to hype up the ppv if you do weekly shows or monthly shows. It is just more simple.

[The Franchise]

Eh, if you can suspend belief long enough to believe in an Irish Whip, you can believe in a year with 360 days.

Personally, my only issue with the calender came up if I wanted to make a holiday show. It would take me a few minutes to figure out when in the month a holiday (like Christmas) would be.

[Thriller]

I like it as it is, altho it was easier to remember other promotions shows with 04.

[Anubis]

Um, actually, you lose more than a couple days, you lose an entire month. 28 days to a month, 12 months to a year, that's 336 days over 48 weeks. That's an entire month vanished from existence.

So why was the calendar changed, anyway? It makes doing title histories for any real-life mod impossible, for one, and it's extremely inaccurate in reality due to the loss of 29 whole days. I'd like that month back, thank you very much.

[TeemuFoundation]

Remember that just having a tickbox to decide whether we want to use the Rylandian calendar or not, is never that simple. In order to have that tickbox, Adam would have to design the WHOLE game TWICE. Because the calendar affects everything in the game in some way. At least, most parts. And personally I love the Rylandian calendar and I'm glad it's going to be in TEW 2k7.

[Adam Ryland]

Um, actually, you lose more than a couple days, you lose an entire month. 28 days to a month, 12 months to a year, that's 336 days over 48 weeks. That's an entire month vanished from existence.

So why was the calendar changed, anyway? It makes doing title histories for any real-life mod impossible, for one, and it's extremely inaccurate in reality due to the loss of 29 whole days. I'd like that month back, thank you very much.

You don't "lose" anything; there's no time limit on the game, so the amount of game time you get to play is not being reduced in any way, shape or form. Given that a lot of days in-between shows you spend doing nothing anyway, you can simply look at it as a reduction in clicks.

It also doesn't make title histories impossible in the slightest. You type in pre-title histories in text format, so if you want to write "January 1st" you can.

NB This isn't a pure simulator, so not everything has to follow your strict mantra of "it must be realistic". I, and apparently a lot of other people, think this system makes for a more enjoyable user experience, and I'd take that over a little bit of unrealism every time. If you're looking for something that absolutely rigidly sticks to realism at the expense of game play, then my products really aren't for you, and I'd suggest you look elsewhere for your gaming needs.

[panix04]

It may not be a pure-simulation, but a lot of people crave realism. Im quite content with the current system but i can fully understand how it would annoy someone to have the calender system not reflect reality. And its not really fair to suggest that Anubis go's elsewhere for his gaming needs, when lets be honest, there isnt anywere else!

[Adam Ryland]

I don't see what's unfair about suggesting he go elsewhere. He clearly doesn't like me or my products as I don't recall him ever writing anything positive, and he is one of only three posters in all the EW-related message boards that have existed that I can truly say I hate, so the obvious solution seems for him to go elsewhere. It's certainly not my fault that there's a lack of alternatives.

Incidentally, I never said I don't see why people would be annoyed by the calendar, I don't know where you got that idea from. I see his point of view. I just don't agree with it, and have no intention of changing the game to meet something I disagree with. I don't see why he can do a post on why he doesn't like the situation and I can't write a response defending it? I made no personal attack on him, I merely posted a response on why it is what it is.

[TeemuFoundation]

I must agree with Adam on this. And one more note just as a "by-the-way" the calendar system was changed to make coding easier, so if Adam were to change the system, we might have to wait months more until 2k7. And I think we all agree that it would suck. :)

[Adam Ryland]

It's not a great deal easier to code, that wasn't the primary reason - it was changed because I think the new calendar system is more user friendly than the old one, and it makes organising schedules far, far easier.

[panix04]

am i one of the other 3? God, i hope not!

I am in no way suggesting that it is your fault there are a lack of alternatives for people who like to play booking sim's. Although the fact that TEW is so good has probably put off a lot of would-be developers from having a try at the booking sim genre.

To be honest i didn't realise there were personal issues there, otherwise i wouldn't have posted. I would proabably agree that Anubis's original post could have been viewed as negatively critical, but the tone of your response was also quite harsh. There is an argument that could be made that as a consumer Anubis has the right to be critical of the game and good customer service dictates that you should atleast remain polite to him. As someone who has worked in telesales i know how difficult that can be, I just think it is a tad dis-respectful to tell a customer he should look elsewhere and even more-so do declare that you hate that person.

Note: As for the calender system, i do like it the way it is and it does make booking easier.

[Adam Ryland]

I guess it's just a matter of opinions. I don't really see it as disrespectful to make it clear that I don't like the guy, something which I'd image he already knew and doesn't really care about anyway - it would strike me as worse if I was to make out like I was his best buddy just to get one extra sale. My feelings are that if someone comes to the board repeatedly and only ever posts negative comments, then I am perfectly within my rights to suggest that they might be better off going elsewhere. It's a genuine suggestion, I feel maybe he's in the wrong place, judging by his posts.

[rgblack316]

Adam,

Your actions dealing with this guy have shown me something about yourself and has made me realize that I don't want to support someone that can act that way because his customer was critical of his product. You just lost me as a customer.

And a small piece of advice, get some thicker skin so that these things don't hurt you so personally.

[FINisher]

Given that a lot of days in-between shows you spend doing nothing anyway, you can simply look at it as a reduction in clicks. I think that's just good. And rgblack316, you can't be serious with what you just said? :D I think this whole situation is really seeing bigger than it really is.. A very small snowball, but when it goes downhill.. I'm totally on Adam's side with this thing.

[panix04]

Your probably right, i just never saw that much negative stuff coming from Anubis. However ,this is the 1st TEW related forum i have ever posted on. So i guess i can only really pass judgments on what the guys said on here, bearing in mind i dont read every post on here!

On a seperate point, i think personally i would be slightly gutted if you told me you hated me. Yeah i can be a pain in the backside occasionally, but i think if you flat out said - "Panix i think your an idiot" I would probably just leave, i'd probably come back and buy the games though! Lets face it, TEW is like the Heinz baked beans of the booking sim world!

EDIT: I actually just read through some of his posts recently and i guess they are a tad on the negative side. But i guess criticism is an inevitable consequence of creating a computer game, you probably got it back on the EWR boards and it is no doubt more commonplace now people are paying for your product.

[Adam Ryland]

I think the fact we had to ban him from .400 because of his repeated overly-negative criticism caused so many arguments may have tipped him off to the fact he's not my favourite poster! ;) I don't have a problem with criticisms of features, but when it's virtually every single feature, since the days of 2004, then it's out-of-line. Hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's just really pedantic about stuff, but my opinion is that the guy has a personal beef with me, and will be negative just for the sake of it now. Just because it isn't full of spelling mistakes and swearing doesn't mean it's not troll-like behaviour.

[panix04]

you say 'troll-like' as if its a bad thing! :D actually (as my above edit states) i have re-read through his last few posts and i guess if thats the kinda feedback you have been getting from him for 2 years then it would start to grate. I suppose theres only so much you can take before it begins to get to you. That being said im sure Anubis isn't being malicous, i just think he is highly opinionated and desperate to see his vision of the "perfect game" created.

[Thriller]

Adam,

Your actions dealing with this guy have shown me something about yourself and has made me realize that I don't want to support someone that can act that way because his customer was critical of his product. You just lost me as a customer.

And a small piece of advice, get some thicker skin so that these things don't hurt you so personally.

So that means you'll still buy and play it, you just wont post here about it... until you need help ;).

[Adam Ryland]

Don't taunt him Thriller :) I think there's enough bad blood in this thread without adding more!

[weirdo_man]

Panix I wouldn't worry, you're not one of the other three. It's smart asses like me that Adam hates :p Even if I do buy all of his games :D

[panix04]

are you accusing me of not being a smart ass? I can assure you i am! I thought Adam might hold a Vendetta 'cos i didn't purchase Wrespi1!

[rgblack316]

So that means you'll still buy and play it, you just wont post here about it... until you need help ;).

You know, I could respond and be a complete, well you know, but I won't go that route. I was unaware of the LONG history of the situation but I still feel that any personal attack should have been done in private, or just ban the guy again. I think it was a bit immature to take the personal situation and make it public and it showed a lack of class on both your parts.

Will I purchase TEW '07? Probably not. Does what happened on here have somethign to do with it? Yes it does. Does that mean I'll be some little closet lurker trying to hide his hipocracy who waits until something goes wrong and then says something to try to get help? No.

[Adam Ryland]

Back on topic from this point onward please, this is unproductive. And worse, dull.

[Remianen]

There is an argument that could be made that as a consumer Anubis has the right to be critical of the game and good customer service dictates that you should atleast remain polite to him. As someone who has worked in telesales i know how difficult that can be, I just think it is a tad dis-respectful to tell a customer he should look elsewhere and even more-so do declare that you hate that person.

That argument would be foolish though. I work with 'consumers' every day in 6 industries (travel, wedding planning, tax consulting, catering, floral arrangement, PC design & repair) and I can tell you that I agree wholeheartedly with Adam. Criticism is always welcome, as long as it's constructive. If you're criticizing a feature without offering possible alternatives, you're just nitpicking in my view. You tell the bride who wants a $100,000 wedding but only has $15,000 in her budget that her criticism ("You're supposed to make my day perfect!") is sound. How 'bout the guy who came in last week and said he wanted a system built around the nVidia 8-series (specifically the 8800 GTX) and wants to spend $1500 for it then says "I'm gonna call Dell!" when you tell him that's not going to be possible for at least a year? For those who may not know, the 8800 GTX is going to ship at a $500 price point. Hell, Dell is going to sell that system starting at $6,000 dollars!

I sympathize with Adam because in this instance, I've been in his shoes. I'd much rather turn away a customer with unrealistic expectations (like the family of 6 who wanted to go to Fiji, from New York, for $600 per person :rolleyes: ), especially if they can't be brought around to see reality. Personally, because of that, I appreciate Adam's candor because it's RARE for a game developer to be so frank.

And I wouldn't be too worried about rgblack16's threat. I'm on the hook for 26 copies at the moment and that could grow to 33 (I'm giving TEW07 to clients who are wrestling fans, though I imagine most of them will play as WWE, sigh :(). I can say that Anubis has great taste in some things (yes, Sarah Stock is le hottie :p) but then again, I don't know the history between Anubis and Adam or the games as a whole.

[Lukiep8]

Adam had every right to say what he did.

When we get rude people who come into our liquor store, and look at our prices, and say something like:
Wow, heineken is 50 bucks, thats bull****, its 40 on sale at liquorland.

I reply: Go to liquorland and grab there sale. But when they bump the price back up to 65, don't come crawling back to us after you were so rude.

If people are going to be rude, they can go and get stuffed, simply.

[Adam Ryland]

OK, no more discussion of customer service techniques, please. I don't want this rolling on through the night when people aren't here to moderate it, it has the potential to get ugly.

[Lukiep8]

Apologies, kind sir.

[Adam Ryland]

Apology accepted.

And thus, civility was restored. :cool:

[TEWFan]

I post this so people can make fun of my own stupidity:


I never noticed the difference between the 04 and 05 calendar systems until you people mentioned it.

Wow, how can you play something almost every day and miss on that?

[Thriller]

That is kinda weird, didnt you ever thinking "so, where do I write the date?"

(I think you had to write it in... its been so long since I've play 04!)

[JHawk]

While I would prefer the regular style calendar in TEW since I mostly do the DOTT scenario when I play, I can at least understand why the format is where it is.

That being said, what date was Monday the third week of September 1986 anyway?

[Sartagis]

That being said, what date was Monday the third week of September 1986 anyway?
Twas the 15th. I think....

[Akki]

That would be the 15th, LOL. I commend Adam for his honesty, and the fact that he's willing to lose a few dollars (or pounds) one a sale or two. I don't think I need to reiterate my point that the system in TEW05 is easier... but I guess I just did.

[panix04]

OK, no more discussion of customer service techniques, please. I don't want this rolling on through the night when people aren't here to moderate it, it has the potential to get ugly.

:D :D Some people might argue that with Remi here it already got ugly! (you know im joking buddy!)

In my defence i still have the customer service NVQ lady ringing in my ear!

[Anubis]

I don't see what's unfair about suggesting he go elsewhere. He clearly doesn't like me or my products as I don't recall him ever writing anything positive, and he is one of only three posters in all the EW-related message boards that have existed that I can truly say I hate, so the obvious solution seems for him to go elsewhere. It's certainly not my fault that there's a lack of alternatives.

Incidentally, I never said I don't see why people would be annoyed by the calendar, I don't know where you got that idea from. I see his point of view. I just don't agree with it, and have no intention of changing the game to meet something I disagree with. I don't see why he can do a post on why he doesn't like the situation and I can't write a response defending it? I made no personal attack on him, I merely posted a response on why it is what it is.

I think the fact we had to ban him from .400 because of his repeated overly-negative criticism caused so many arguments may have tipped him off to the fact he's not my favourite poster! ;) I don't have a problem with criticisms of features, but when it's virtually every single feature, since the days of 2004, then it's out-of-line. Hey, maybe I'm wrong and he's just really pedantic about stuff, but my opinion is that the guy has a personal beef with me, and will be negative just for the sake of it now. Just because it isn't full of spelling mistakes and swearing doesn't mean it's not troll-like behaviour.

Um, you must have me confused with someone else. I was never on the .400 forums whatsoever, and I've never been banned from any TEW-related forum.

I mean WTF is up with this? There are personal issues here? That's news to me! I had no idea whatsoever there was any animosity. While it is true that I only post my criticisms of products, that's because posting that you like something is, well, striking of ass-kissing. Why fill up pages of praise?

Oh, and I should also note that many of the times I've criticized TEW2005, I've always followed with praise for TEW2004, as between the two, I honestly believe TEW2004 to be a better game. I love TEW2004. It's not perfect, but I like it much better than TEW2005.

Any which way, I don't know who you're talking about, Mr. Ryland. As I said, I've never been banned from any TEW-related forum nor have I ever had any problems with you. Any problems that exist are news to me.

you say 'troll-like' as if its a bad thing! :D actually (as my above edit states) i have re-read through his last few posts and i guess if thats the kinda feedback you have been getting from him for 2 years then it would start to grate. I suppose theres only so much you can take before it begins to get to you. That being said im sure Anubis isn't being malicous, i just think he is highly opinionated and desperate to see his vision of the "perfect game" created.

Like I said, I don't know what or who Mr. Ryland is talking about. I was never around the .400 forums, and I've always loved TEW2004; it's TEW2005 that gets the most criticism from me. Anyway, panix04, you called it absolutely right. Contrary to what he thinks, I have no beef with him, I'm just opinionated. With me, if I don't complain about it, then either I don't notice it or I like it, hands-down. I only really discuss criticism. If I went around praising everything I liked, it would take up way too much of my forum time.

and I can tell you that I agree wholeheartedly with Adam. Criticism is always welcome, as long as it's constructive. If you're criticizing a feature without offering possible alternatives, you're just nitpicking in my view.

When I've criticized something, I've pretty much always said how I think it should work, so I do actually provide an idea of what I'd like to see as an alternative. Either way, saying you hate someone for criticizing your work is a bit extreme. When I read that, my jaw dropped, it took me completely by surprise. I've always respected Mr. Ryland's work, even though I don't particularly like TEW2005. I was excited about TEW2007, even if it's not perfect (no game is). What he said hit me like a Mack truck.

[Franchise22]

Um, you must have me confused with someone else. I was never on the .400 forums whatsoever, and I've never been banned from any TEW-related forum.

I mean WTF is up with this? There are personal issues here? That's news to me! I had no idea whatsoever there was any animosity. While it is true that I only post my criticisms of products, that's because posting that you like something is, well, striking of ass-kissing. Why fill up pages of praise?

Oh, and I should also note that many of the times I've criticized TEW2005, I've always followed with praise for TEW2004, as between the two, I honestly believe TEW2004 to be a better game. I love TEW2004. It's not perfect, but I like it much better than TEW2005.

Any which way, I don't know who you're talking about, Mr. Ryland. As I said, I've never been banned from any TEW-related forum nor have I ever had any problems with you. Any problems that exist are news to me.



Like I said, I don't know what or who Mr. Ryland is talking about. I was never around the .400 forums, and I've always loved TEW2004; it's TEW2005 that gets the most criticism from me. Anyway, panix04, you called it absolutely right. Contrary to what he thinks, I have no beef with him, I'm just opinionated. With me, if I don't complain about it, then either I don't notice it or I like it, hands-down. I only really discuss criticism. If I went around praising everything I liked, it would take up way too much of my forum time.



When I've criticized something, I've pretty much always said how I think it should work, so I do actually provide an idea of what I'd like to see as an alternative. Either way, saying you hate someone for criticizing your work is a bit extreme. When I read that, my jaw dropped, it took me completely by surprise. I've always respected Mr. Ryland's work, even though I don't particularly like TEW2005. I was excited about TEW2007, even if it's not perfect (no game is). What he said hit me like a Mack truck.

alrighty then......



back on topic please

[Consrvtve]

Christ, I make a simple post about if the calandar will be the same and forget about it, go back and check when I do get around to remember and I find WW3. Its not that big of an issue for everyone to be bickering.

[That Crazy Guy]

No one cares about the stupid arguement any more. Get over it. The majority have stated what they like and that's it.

On to the topic, though. I enjoy the calender system as it is. Very basic and easy to book.(If it was any other way you'd have to go through all the dates and select one, instead of just going Week 1 and a day. I'd hate that. Way too time consuming)

I do enjoy how it is, and hope it stays that way.

[Thriller]

What would be cool is an actual calender which shows when other promotions shows are on, then all you'd have to do is find an empty day, click on it and put in the info.

Bit late for suggestions now though, :o.

[Anubis]

Back on topic? NOT A CHANCE! I think I deserve an explanation as to why Ryland thinks I'm this other guy, especially after he said he hates me.

So how about it, Ryland? Seeing as I'm not who you claim me to be, I think you owe me an apology, and if you think I'm just gonna drop it, you got another thing coming.

[Franchise22]

then take it to PM.

or get over it, quit whining and lets talk about the feature/game.

[Undertaker666]

Back on topic? NOT A CHANCE! I think I deserve an explanation as to why Ryland thinks I'm this other guy, especially after he said he hates me.

So how about it, Ryland? Seeing as I'm not who you claim me to be, I think you owe me an apology, and if you think I'm just gonna drop it, you got another thing coming.

*sigh*

1. Just because you say you're not the person Adam's thinking about doesn't mean you're not. I'm Harrison Ford you know, I play TEW on set inbetween takes. See what I mean?

2. What exactly do you propose to do, send him 'bad vibes'? :rolleyes:

3. If you keep going on and on then I imagine you will be banned from the forum. Just a suggestion bud. :)


If I had a "Delete Thread" button i'd have removed this and a number of other threads by now............................ :rolleyes:

[Anubis]

No, I will not just take it to PM. Since he is the one who decided to start this in a public place, that is where the situation will be dealt with. You call this whining? Has any game designer that you had absolutely no issue with ever come out and say you're someone else and say he hates you? If not, than STFU.

I have been playing this game since EW9000, and I have always been a strong supporter of this franchise, so for the game designer to come out and say he hates me for something I don't even know what he's talking about, I will not just drop that. You can say I'm whining all you want, but I deserve an explanation for that crap.

*sigh*

1. Just because you say you're not the person Adam's thinking about doesn't mean you're not. I'm Harrison Ford you know, I play TEW on set inbetween takes. See what I mean?

Oh, so now I'm a liar, too?

2. What exactly do you propose to do, send him 'bad vibes'? :rolleyes:

3. If you keep going on and on then I imagine you will be banned from the forum. Just a suggestion bud. :)

That would be an extreme abuse of power, though. He started this by saying he hates me and saying I'm someone that I'm not. How am I the one breaking rules here?

[Thomnipotent]

Fine, fine. There will be an extra month added to the end of the TEW calendar to make up for the however many lost days.

We'll call it Anubisember.

Happy?

[Torri]

Is it possible that perhaps he made a mistake? In which case i'm positive he'd apologize.

Although, from the way you're acting right now dude, I can't say his feelings about you would change even if he apologized. You're completely going about this the wrong way. Plus, why do you care so much what someone over the internet thinks about you?

Outside of these forums, nobody is going to know what Adam said. So, what impact does that really make on your life? Get over it, I say. If Adam is wrong, like I said, I know he'll apologize.. but if you keep going on like you are right now, why should he?

[Undertaker666]

Jesus Mary and the orphans.........

I'm not calling you a liar, i'm saying that just because someone on the internet says they're someone then it doesn't necessarily make it so does it? Just look at all the MySpace websites that claim they're 'this celebrity' or 'that wrestler'.

I haven't said you're breaking any rules but as with any other forums, if you keep going on and on at another member (or a moderator) then you'll more than likely get banned.

[Anubis]

Fine, fine. There will be an extra month added to the end of the TEW calendar to make up for the however many lost days.

We'll call it Anubisember.

Happy?

I already dropped that. I made my feelings known. My opinion is that I liked the "real-world" calendar better. That ain't gonna come back, though. I'm over that. My problem is about being told I'm hated by a guy I had no dispute with that I had respect for. I don't even care about the original topic anymore.

Is it possible that perhaps he made a mistake? In which case i'm positive he'd apologize.

Although, from the way you're acting right now dude, I can't say his feelings about you would change even if he apologized. You're completely going about this the wrong way. Plus, why do you care so much what someone over the internet thinks about you?

Outside of these forums, nobody is going to know what Adam said. So, what impact does that really make on your life? Get over it, I say. If Adam is wrong, like I said, I know he'll apologize.. but if you keep going on like you are right now, why should he?

The reason I'm upset is because I have supported this franchise since EW9000, and even bought both TEW2004 (which I play) and TEW2005 (which my wife plays). While I've had a fair share of criticisms, I only do that with things I actually care about, to help improve them. I have always had respect for Ryland. In light of all that, for him to say these things hits pretty hard, and yes, it does bother me a lot.

Imagine if an actor or actress you liked accused you of being a stalker and said he or she hated you, when you had no idea anything like that ever happened. You'd probably not react in as volatile a manner as I have, but that's just because that's how I react to things; you'd still be bothered by it I bet!

[Torri]

Actually, i wouldn't.

I'm the type of person where as long as I know what's being said about me isn't true, i'm content. I couldn't care less what anybody else thinks about me.

Listen, i'm not trying to be rude to you. I see where you're coming from and how it'd bother you. But tone down the animocity. Yes, Adam said something. Is it possible that he thought you were somebody else? Yes. Is it possible that you over-reacted? Yes.

Calm down, when Adam comes online tomorrow, as at this time he's never been online to my knowledge. He'll see this, and either he'll apologize or not. But either way, it won't be the end of the world.

[wooodaddy]

I love everyone here... you are all my friends.... please no more arguing... it makes me sad :(

[Adam Ryland]

Anubis, if you genuinely are not the same person as the guy from .400, then I apologise completely.

However, I'd be absolutely staggered if it was pure coincidence that both you and the ".400 version" of Anubis share so many similarities. You wanted to know why I think you are the same guy? You're from the same state. You both picked the same user name. You both have bought TEW04 and 05 and prefer the former. Both married, with a wife who plays TEW. You both have gotten into trouble for posting nothing but negative comments. You both share the exact same views on several features. You both post in exactly the same style (bold for an angry statement, petty threats "I'm not going to drop this!"). This "I'm the victim" bit is almost a carbon copy of what got ".400 Anubis" banned from that forum.

So yeah, you have my genuine apologies if this is a complete coincidence, but I find it really hard to believe.

If you have anything further to add, do it by PM. I had to ban your apparent "evil twin" for taking issues and trying to cause mass hysteria about them, I'll be damned if you're going to do the same thing.

[Anubis]

Accepted, and done. The matter is resolved as far as I'm concerned.

Also, on a side note to you as well as the forum in general, if it makes everyone feel better, I will try to post positive comments about the things I like in the future, instead of limiting myself to negative comments about the things I don't like.

[flamebrain]

Wow, having read all of the above it almost feels out of place to discuss the actual topic.. However, I'm used to beng out of place so here's my two cents anyways :cool:

I much prefer the current calendar for one reason: The old system worked by date, not by day. So if you booked a yearly PPV for say, Sunday 28th November, then next year it would still be on the 28th, which would no longer be a Sunday. Not a major gripe but one which was eliminated by the new system where it can just be Sunday of the 4th week every November. See? I'm easy pleased! :D

[thug saint oga]

interesting....should have read this post when it first popped up.

[Lukiep8]

Wow, having read all of the above it almost feels out of place to discuss the actual topic.. However, I'm used to beng out of place so here's my two cents anyways :cool:

I much prefer the current calendar for one reason: The old system worked by date, not by day. So if you booked a yearly PPV for say, Sunday 28th November, then next year it would still be on the 28th, which would no longer be a Sunday. Not a major gripe but one which was eliminated by the new system where it can just be Sunday of the 4th week every November. See? I'm easy pleased! :D

I think thats one of the reasons Adam chose the 05 style.
As I said, it works so much easier then the other style, and its not hard to check over your computer calendar if you want dates for diarys.

[Less]

Well-e-well, for myself, either calendar would work fine. The thing I didn't like about the 2004 calendar was the fact that I had to keep changing the dates to keep the events on Sundays. Now, if the "real" calendar had a button or something that would allow you to always pick the 3rd Sunday of the month or something, I'd be fine with that.

Honestly, I wouldn't have noticed the difference in the calendars if somebody didn't mention it... but I did notice that I didn't have to keep changing the dates of my PPVs to always be on the same day of the week. :)

[Genadi]

Honestly never bothered me, it took me a a day or two to get use to. A look forawrd at the calnder would be cool I think someone suggested, you could see who else had events booked on your PPV dates or whatever

[Harts4Life]

Another simple explanation for the different calendar ... it's the Cornellverse! It was never meant for real life situations! Apparently people forgot this!

To be completely honest, and not to look down on modders and people who use the real life mods they make, but I didn't find a single mod I liked for 05, and because of that, I ended up enjoying the Cornellverse that much more. Now, I can't forsee me using any mod at all in 07 either ... I'm so used to the Cornellverse guys now ...

So for those who want to complain that it doesn't follow the real calendar, remember that it also doesn't follow a real group of people/promotions out of the box. Modders and their users are just going to have to adjust. Or actually give the Cornellverse a try ... I highly recommend the latter ...

[Remianen]

Or actually give the Cornellverse a try ... I highly recommend the latter ...

Harts, you're spinning your wheels here. The 'WWE or bust' folks outnumber us like 55 billion to one (or so it seems). I personally prefer the Cornellverse as well, because it makes sense. There's no dumping half your roster in the first week with SWF/TCW/PGHW/BHOTWG or yo-yoing between Global and Cult. But you know, I had never thought of it that way (the calendar being a Cornellverse exclusive). Very good point!

[panix04]

i think saying 'wwe or bust' is a push, perhaps 'real world' or bust would be more acurate. But the problem with mass releases will hopefully be resolved with the introduction of owner personalitys anyway. It would be nice to see a global-cult fix come in as well, but i guess we will have to wait and see.

[Anubis]

Harts, you're spinning your wheels here. The 'WWE or bust' folks outnumber us like 55 billion to one (or so it seems). I personally prefer the Cornellverse as well, because it makes sense. There's no dumping half your roster in the first week with SWF/TCW/PGHW/BHOTWG or yo-yoing between Global and Cult. But you know, I had never thought of it that way (the calendar being a Cornellverse exclusive). Very good point!

To be honest, I have only two problems with the CornellVerse myself.

1. I don't know any of them, nor can I look up detailed information on any of them in order to learn more about them. They're more or less like random characters. It feels like playing a scenario containing only CPU-generated characters.

2. The "spoof" names turn me off. The world doesn't "feel serious", if you know what I mean. Everything is more or less a form of "inside joke" more or less.

Anyway, for a good real-life mod, try TCP's. That's as close to perfect as anything's gonna get as far as the real world is concerned. I'm just a really serious kind of person, basically. I'm not into satire and the such when I want to play a serious game.

Issue #1 is more serious than issue #2, mind you. I like to be able to "relate" to the people, and I just can't do that with CornellVerse.

[Thriller]

You can get info on some of the characters on the C-Verse website.

[Remianen]

i think saying 'wwe or bust' is a push, perhaps 'real world' or bust would be more acurate. But the problem with mass releases will hopefully be resolved with the introduction of owner personalitys anyway. It would be nice to see a global-cult fix come in as well, but i guess we will have to wait and see.

I don't see too many "OMG I don't see CZW in this game. How do you get CZW into the game?!?" threads cropping up much. No, it's mostly WWE in that instance. I'm not saying it's bad or anything (obviously, considering the bedrock of my roster!), just that my perception is that 90% of the people who play TEW (or at least those who post here) play as some form of WWE. That's fine. But as I said, I prefer the Cornellverse (which is why it's the heart of my women's mod and will be in 07 too) because it actually makes sense and I think it's largely ignored or underrated ("these are fake wrestlers!"). Diary forum don't lie. :)

And honestly, I don't even think the owner personalities are going to prevent the WWE first week massacre. Unless there's a setting for "wants to keep 10 talentless bimbos on the roster" and "15 people who Vince wants to pay but can't think of anything for them to actually do". :p


Anubis has a point. Personally, I like the fact that the Cornellverse doesn't have an abundance of baggage (which is what I equate much of the 'history' of real world workers). There are preconceptions that exist with real world workers that don't exist with the Cornellverse. If I want to turn Hell's Bouncer into a worldwide sensation, there's nothing in my way as far as baggage is concerned. If I want to do that with say Shannon Moore, people will have their own ideas of what kind of worker he is or can be. Cornellverse is like a clean slate. Real world is much like a woman with 3 deadbeat baby daddies. Unless you use a part of the world or industry that isn't 'popular' (like say, Mexico or Japan or.....WOMEN!). And by popular, I mean mainstream, worldwide. If you asked a typical fan in Japan to name a US wrestler, they probably could but try that in the reverse and you'd get silence or perhaps 'Funaki' or 'Tajiri'. I guess my disdain for real world data derives from my general disdain for what passes for 'wrestling' in the mainstream US sense. Over the last 6 months, I've learned a lifetime's worth about women's wrestling (I know who Penny Banner is even!) and it's sickening to see what passes for 'wrestling' (for both sexes) here. So even if I do play a game based in the real world (rather than imported into the Cornellverse), most of the workers people gravitate to would be on my blacklist (or would be very expensive jobbers). Different strokes and all that.

[That Crazy Guy]

Eh, I actually don't know many who play WWE.

I know A LOT of people play TNA, WCW(In old days) or ECW(In old days). New ECW just came out so people are trying to see what the new thing is. Maybe that's why it's grown over the past few weeks?

But from what I know a lot of people play Wrestling Society X and a few other indies to - and even moreso play Japanese promotions. So I'm not sure if it's more of a "WWE or bust" as it is "Real World or bust".

[panix04]

those settings arn't in? Damn it! I do like, and have played the cornellverse, but i do think that to a small extent playing real world mods have widened my general wrestling knowledge. 2 years ago i probably would have only ever chose the WWE and i would have never heard of AJ Styles or Christopher Daniels, but now i find myself becoming more and more a wrestling fan and really broadning what i watch (and indeed who i control in game) I think thats why i choose the real life mods over the original data, although i would have to concede they both have there merits.

[TCP1]

I'm a big fan of both, but as Anubis mentioned, some Cornellverse workers feel too much like a parody to truly connect with.

[thug saint oga]

some Cornellverse workers feel too much like a parody to truly connect with.

c'mon....mark smart.....that's funny.

i see all points of this dicussion, and i like that people have the option of choosing real data vs. cornellverse. i myself enjoy the cornellverse, i like the ability to create a history and the personality of the cornellworkers. with the real data, you have more of a guideline of how workers "should" be used, at least in many people's opinion. when i read a dynasty, i can't get over the fact that rene dupree is a champion. it seems more made up than the cornellverse itself.

plus, i'm sure that once adam and those who help him create the cornellverse workers start running thin on names once they've hit about a thousand made up guys. most people have trouble naming twelve annual ppvs, let alone a thousand different workers.....

[Adam Ryland]

When discussing parody characters, you have to remember that the CornellVerse intentionally mixes time frames - SWF is essentially a throw back to the world of 1980s cartoony gimmicks, and so its characters are meant to be cliched and without subtlety, just as PGHW's workers are meant to be deadly serious wrestling machines in the late 90's tradition. In order to fulfil its "something for everyone" target, some parody \ cliche is not just inevitable, but essential.

[The Franchise]

And if I could suggest something, if you find yourself unable to relate to the Cornellverse workers, just play WreSpi. And I'm not saying buying it, I'm saying play the demo a few times with the base data. I was like Anubis and a lot of other people, in that I couldn't relate to the Cornellverse or their workers, but after playing the WreSpi1 demo a few times I found more interest in the Cornellverse.

Seriously, there's no better way to connect with Cornellverse workers than to wrestle them, but that's just my opinion.

[Anubis]

And honestly, I don't even think the owner personalities are going to prevent the WWE first week massacre. Unless there's a setting for "wants to keep 10 talentless bimbos on the roster" and "15 people who Vince wants to pay but can't think of anything for them to actually do". :p

What we need is a special Owner Personality called "Vince McMahon" in order to simulate the kind of ridiculousness he brings to the industry. Mr. Ryland, is it too late to add this as another Owner Personality? It would be very useful for simulating Vince McMahon in the game. Like maybe the personality would dictate that he hires all the women he can with the highest looks rating and misuses them in retarded angles, on top of everything else.

As for the CornellVerse, well, I don't mind fake wrestlers, I just like a serious tone to things. I may make my own data once TEW2007 comes out.

[Harts4Life]

To be honest, I have only two problems with the CornellVerse myself.

1. I don't know any of them, nor can I look up detailed information on any of them in order to learn more about them. They're more or less like random characters. It feels like playing a scenario containing only CPU-generated characters.

2. The "spoof" names turn me off. The world doesn't "feel serious", if you know what I mean. Everything is more or less a form of "inside joke" more or less.


In addition what was said about playing WreSpi a little to relate to the Cornellverse more (which is exactly how I began to relate to them), do you really believe that Vince McMahon knows much about the history of his roster, as a whole? Maybe a few of them here and there, and he may know some basic background of their career before they reached the WWE, but in all honesty, the booking team for Raw or Smackdown probably know less than the information that is provided for us in TEW.

Frankly, I just make up stuff. Maybe because I've been in e-wrestling so long, I can relate more to characters I don't know a lot about, but like others have also said, with less background to know, there's less preconcieved notions about who should be in what position.

If anything, when I start a new game now, I hire people who did well in previous games, and attempt to get them back to where they were in the other game. And that's with the Cornellverse guys!

As far as them being "spoofs" ... if I remember correctly from when TEW2004 came out, they were taken from e-Wrestling anyway ... and anyone who's spent enough time around e-wrestling wishes they had a nickel for every guy who's come out and used "And that's the bottom line, because Jimmy-Joe Bob Billy Russell McPeter says so." or "Do you smell what Mr. Marvelous is cookin'?" or, for the fans who started watching in the last few years, "The champ is here! You can't see me!" E-Wrestling has always had its share of knockoffs. Gathering a talent pool the size of the Cornellverse, using e-wrestling as a base, you're bound to get a few "spoofs" of real wrestlers ...

Besides, who here remembers the hidden character in TEW04 "Rocky Austin?"

[Remianen]

And if I could suggest something, if you find yourself unable to relate to the Cornellverse workers, just play WreSpi. And I'm not saying buying it, I'm saying play the demo a few times with the base data. I was like Anubis and a lot of other people, in that I couldn't relate to the Cornellverse or their workers, but after playing the WreSpi1 demo a few times I found more interest in the Cornellverse.

Seriously, there's no better way to connect with Cornellverse workers than to wrestle them, but that's just my opinion.

That is an excellent point. I got into Adam's games with WreSpi1 and bought TEW this past February so the bulk of my knowledge on the Cornellverse came from that experience. Ironically, I bought TEW almost immediately upon returning from a business trip to the West Coast where I saw an APW show. Went to the GDS site looking for a patch for WreSpi, saw 'wrestling booking sim' and couldn't get my credit card number typed in fast enough. :p

[ZMAN]

People still make real life mods? lolz

IMO, TEW isn't designed to work with the current scene of pro wrestling. I remember playing WWE and TNA games and getting bored quick because they give you a promotion with 500 top notch workers and no competition or reason to progress. Yeah, I could play RoH or some other indy promotion, but yawwwwn.

videogames > realism

[panix04]

Hey Z-man i recomend TCP's FOTORC mod, yeah WWE still has some very over workers, but you are not guarenteed A ratings. If you want a challenge give it a go.

[TheGentryCove]

Okay I'm still new around here (and to TEW in general) but I just came across this thread and read most of the posts as it's something that I've often wondered why the calender system is the way it is.

Anyway, some interesting points and obviously some people like the current calender system and some people don't. To be honest I don't, not because it is "week 1, week 2, week 3" instead of "Wednesday 17th October 2004" but because of the fact that their is only 48 weeks in a year on TEW2005 (and it looks like TEW2007 also) unlike obviously, 52 weeks in a real year.

Now you can call me a mark or whatever but it is a bit of bug bear for those of us who like our games to simulate reality I mean if you play a game for 4 years and are in the month of December in reality you should be in the month of September right?

Shoot me down if you want but I do find that a bit annoying and got me thinking . . . isn't there a way to sort of meet the likers and dis-likers of the current calender system in the middle?

Maybe still keep the "week 1, week 2" etc system but for four months in the year add a "week 5" to the calender?

Which would get the correct number of weeks during a year and still keep in place the current "week 1, week 2, week 3" system and yet also keep the other people who preferred the old system happy?

Of course people would be unfamiliar with it at the start but surely a little note could just be added into the game. Maybe on the loading screen where it gives you little hints and tips on the game. Something like "Remember: Unlike the other months in the year March, June, September and November all have 5 weeks instead of 4". Or whatever.

I have no idea if this would work or if TEW2007 is at too late of a development stage to get it put into the game but I think it would be a good idea - if it could be intergrated into TEW2007.

It's only a suggestion . . .

Looking forward to reading people's thoughts on this.

[TheGentryCove]

Okay I'm still new around here (and to TEW in general) but I just came across this thread and read most of the posts as it's something that I've often wondered why the calender system is the way it is.

Anyway, some interesting points and obviously some people like the current calender system and some people don't. To be honest I don't, not because it is "week 1, week 2, week 3" instead of "Wednesday 17th October 2004" but because of the fact that their is only 48 weeks in a year on TEW2005 (and it looks like TEW2007 also) unlike obviously, 52 weeks in a real year.

Now you can call me a mark or whatever but it is a bit of bug bear for those of us who like our games to simulate reality I mean if you play a game for 4 years and are in the month of December in reality you should be in the month of September right?

Shoot me down if you want but I do find that a bit annoying and got me thinking . . . isn't there a way to sort of meet the likers and dis-likers of the current calender system in the middle?

Maybe still keep the "week 1, week 2" etc system but for four months in the year add a "week 5" to the calender?

Which would get the correct number of weeks during a year and still keep in place the current "week 1, week 2, week 3" system and yet also keep the other people who preferred the old system happy?

Of course people would be unfamiliar with it at the start but surely a little note could just be added into the game. Maybe on the loading screen where it gives you little hints and tips on the game. Something like "Remember: Unlike the other months in the year March, June, September and November all have 5 weeks instead of 4". Or whatever.

I have no idea if this would work or if TEW2007 is at too late of a development stage to get it put into the game but I think it would be a good idea - if it could be intergrated into TEW2007.

It's only a suggestion . . .

Looking forward to reading people's thoughts on this.

Has anybody got an opinion on my suggestion?

[Undertaker666]

Adding another week is a better idea than using actual dates because for booking purposes Week 1, Week 2 etc. does make it easier. But if it's realism you're after then having months with 35 days isn't very realistic is it. I'm happy with it as it is though so it wouldn't really bother me if it was added or not.

[TheGentryCove]

Adding another week is a better idea than using actual dates because for booking purposes Week 1, Week 2 etc. does make it easier. But if it's realism you're after then having months with 35 days isn't very realistic is it. I'm happy with it as it is though so it wouldn't really bother me if it was added or not.

True about 35 days in a month not being realistic but at least it would make it 52 weeks in a year come the end of the year and then it would switch back to the "real date" rather than after 3 years of playing the game and being in the game month of May but really being in February.

At least this way people who play with real world data can have the correct amount of episodes of Raw, Nitro, Impact etc between each pay-per-view and I don't think people would mind so much if there a few extra days in the odd month than only 48 weeks in a year - although I am aware some people aren't bothered about it.

Maybe I sound like a complete annoying mark harping on about REALISM but it is a realistic game (and a brilliant game) - I just find it the current 48 weeks in a year a "turn off" in TEW as I do liek to simulate reality when playing with real world data and maybe the game is at too advanced a developmental stage to get it interegrated into TEW2007 but I think it would be a good thing - interested to hear more views on this, if people wouldn't mind.

Adam's opinion on this would be great but I know he is a busy man.

[Undertaker666]

TEW isn't supposed to reflect reality though, it's for the Cornellverse and I guess in the Cornellverse there are only 4 weeks to every month. Adam's stated on a few occasions that he's not planning on changing the calendar system so I very much doubt it'll be changed, particularly for '07.

[TheGentryCove]

TEW isn't supposed to reflect reality though, it's for the Cornellverse and I guess in the Cornellverse there are only 4 weeks to every month. Adam's stated on a few occasions that he's not planning on changing the calendar system so I very much doubt it'll be changed, particularly for '07.

Yeah I know TEW is mainly based around the Cornellverse but many, many people buy the games to play with Real World data and I guess some of them probably wouldn't buy the game if they could only use the C-verse and not Real World data (probably myself included) so I think this would be a good addition - and it wouldn't harm the C-verse in anyway, would it?

Fair enough if Adam has stated that he isn't planning on changing the current calendar but maybe that is because he think the "Week 1, Week 2, Week 3" system is better than the "Thursday 10th December 2002" system but this isn't what you would call a real "change" in the calender, more a slight adjustment rather than going from "Week 2" to "Monday 13th June 2003" - which I can understand Adam not wanting to change back to.

Anyway I'm rambing, just to say it's not a massive problem for me and I still think the game is awesome and will be buying it the day it comes out but it would certainly make the game more "user friendly" I think, as many people who play TEW like their games to simulate reality.

That's my 2 cent on it anyway.

[Jacko00]

I only play the real world, I respect Adams own world thing, but I cant care about wrestlers that I have not heard of, as for the calendar I liked the 04 version and wish it was still in but i dont care enough to make a big deal of it, as long as I can play the game and have fun, thats all I care about.

[Remianen]

Yeah I know TEW is mainly based around the Cornellverse but many, many people buy the games to play with Real World data and I guess some of them probably wouldn't buy the game if they could only use the C-verse and not Real World data (probably myself included) so I think this would be a good addition - and it wouldn't harm the C-verse in anyway, would it?

Fair enough if Adam has stated that he isn't planning on changing the current calendar but maybe that is because he think the "Week 1, Week 2, Week 3" system is better than the "Thursday 10th December 2002" system but this isn't what you would call a real "change" in the calender, more a slight adjustment rather than going from "Week 2" to "Monday 13th June 2003" - which I can understand Adam not wanting to change back to.

Anyway I'm rambing, just to say it's not a massive problem for me and I still think the game is awesome and will be buying it the day it comes out but it would certainly make the game more "user friendly" I think, as many people who play TEW like their games to simulate reality.

That's my 2 cent on it anyway.

First off, let me just say that I respect your opinion even though I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Personally, I think the single most comprehensive explanation Adam has given on this subject (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29305&postcount=23) more than explains the rationale behind the decision, which I think is satisfactory (your mileage may vary).

But, in my view, there was another post (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29850&postcount=54) that I pretty much agree wholeheartedly with. The man said it's not going to change but still folks want to lobby for something that could potentially set the game's release back two months. I don't always agree with Adam's decisions but I realize that in the end, the buck stops with him. You or I have no idea of what's happening behind the scenes or the exact mechanics involved in making a change of this kind. Maybe the complete rewrite from 04 to 05 made using a fixed length calendar more tidy or workable with all the various other parts of the game that were rewritten. There are tons of reasons why this change can't or won't be made and he's already said it's not going to change. He's given no indication that there's room for negotiation on this. Continuing to harp on it just comes off as petulant to me.

Seriously, let it go.

[djlightning]

First off, let me just say that I respect your opinion even though I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Personally, I think the single most comprehensive explanation Adam has given on this subject (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29305&postcount=23) more than explains the rationale behind the decision, which I think is satisfactory (your mileage may vary).

But, in my view, there was another post (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29850&postcount=54) that I pretty much agree wholeheartedly with. The man said it's not going to change but still folks want to lobby for something that could potentially set the game's release back two months. I don't always agree with Adam's decisions but I realize that in the end, the buck stops with him. You or I have no idea of what's happening behind the scenes or the exact mechanics involved in making a change of this kind. Maybe the complete rewrite from 04 to 05 made using a fixed length calendar more tidy or workable with all the various other parts of the game that were rewritten. There are tons of reasons why this change can't or won't be made and he's already said it's not going to change. He's given no indication that there's room for negotiation on this. Continuing to harp on it just comes off as petulant to me.

Seriously, let it go.
First Adam said that he would not be changing back to the real world calendar, as that is what most people have been crying for him to do. I don't know if he every said he wouldn't consider any other type of change to it?

I won't dare to venture a guess on wether or not Adam might consider the 4 months of five weeks or not, but I will say that it might be the best compromise out there. If you look at those reasons Adam gave for sticking with the the 4 week months calender only two of them would be affected by 4 months of 5 weeks. The increase or decrease in income. A way to make that that increase or decrease less significate would be to have the divides by the number of weeks in the month for promotions that hold more than 2 shows a month. (If they only hold one show a month then just base it off $ amount). As for the other issues the dates wouldn't float. Ok so maybe you'd advance ahead on Sunday Week for expecting it to be Monday week 1, but its week 5 4 times a year, but would that really be a bad thing?

I am not saying that Adam should make this change, but I think if he makes any change then it should be this one. I don't have a problem with the 4 week calendar I did at first to be honest, but I understood why he did it and accepted it. If it continues with out any change that is fine with me. If it is changed I'd like to see it done in the fashion that GentyCove mentioned.

[Anubis]

First Adam said that he would not be changing back to the real world calendar, as that is what most people have been crying for him to do. I don't know if he every said he wouldn't consider any other type of change to it?

I won't dare to venture a guess on wether or not Adam might consider the 4 months of five weeks or not, but I will say that it might be the best compromise out there. If you look at those reasons Adam gave for sticking with the the 4 week months calender only two of them would be affected by 4 months of 5 weeks. The increase or decrease in income. A way to make that that increase or decrease less significate would be to have the divides by the number of weeks in the month for promotions that hold more than 2 shows a month. (If they only hold one show a month then just base it off $ amount). As for the other issues the dates wouldn't float. Ok so maybe you'd advance ahead on Sunday Week for expecting it to be Monday week 1, but its week 5 4 times a year, but would that really be a bad thing?

Actually, instead of doing anything like that, why not just make February, May, August, and November the four months with five weeks, to signify the "sweeps" months?

That would be a good compromise, in my opinion. Sure, February would be weird with 35 days, but that's no weirder than December having only 28 days, and it would add back the "missing month" that I mentioned before.

[TheGentryCove]

First off, let me just say that I respect your opinion even though I wholeheartedly disagree with it. Personally, I think the single most comprehensive explanation Adam has given on this subject (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29305&postcount=23) more than explains the rationale behind the decision, which I think is satisfactory (your mileage may vary).

But, in my view, there was another post (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=29850&postcount=54) that I pretty much agree wholeheartedly with. The man said it's not going to change but still folks want to lobby for something that could potentially set the game's release back two months. I don't always agree with Adam's decisions but I realize that in the end, the buck stops with him. You or I have no idea of what's happening behind the scenes or the exact mechanics involved in making a change of this kind. Maybe the complete rewrite from 04 to 05 made using a fixed length calendar more tidy or workable with all the various other parts of the game that were rewritten. There are tons of reasons why this change can't or won't be made and he's already said it's not going to change. He's given no indication that there's room for negotiation on this. Continuing to harp on it just comes off as petulant to me.

Seriously, let it go.

I have let it go, and fair enough perhaps I did go a bit over-board on the subject but I though it was something that could have improved the game. I PMed Adam about it incase he missed my posts and he PMed me back giving his reasons for not wanting to change the calendar system and I'm cool with that.

I'll still buy the game, admittingly I do find the 48 week year a bit annoying but that's life - it doesn't make the game "unplayable" for me.

[fusionfreak]

The only problem anyone can say about the real life calendar is a PPV booked on say, the 28th of September will be on say Sunday for example. The following year it might be on the 28th as usual but it will be a Wednsday. Maybe there should be a way that PPVs could be set to be on a particular day and if that day isn't available then it puts it on the closet day possible. If you pick the last Sunday of every month then it should put it on the last Sunday automatically. Anyway, that seems to be the only problem with the real calendar. I don't mean to disagree with the popular vote but I do prefer the real calendar especially since everything else is designed to reflect real world. Example, I would like to see more roster splits. I think it would be cool to have 4 or 5 roster splits but no one likes that idea because its not real. Of course, a fake calendar is cool though. LOL. 4 or 5 roster splits is much more possible then the whole world deciding to use a different calendar. What if Panda Energy sold TNA to WWE. No Vince has 4 roster splits. 5 if he brings back WCW. What if he wants to keep Raw and Smackdown and bring Nitro and Thunder back and each show he wants a different roster for it. A roster for Raw, a roster for Smackdown, a roster for Nitro, a roster for Thunder, a roster for ECW and a roster for TNA. Thats 6 rosters right there and its a much more possible than the world converting to a fake calendar. Anyway, its not a deal breaker for me though. I'm still buying the game even if the calendar is chessy. I love everyone, so please don't be mad at me for having an opinion that's different from the popular vote.

[GDE71]

In TEW the 28th would ALWAYS be a Sunday.