Most Embaressing Loss?

[infinitywpi]

Okay, let's hear 'em... your most embaressing losses in WriSpi.

For me, it'd be Fox Mask losing to Lobster Warrior in 4:00, when lobster fell out on top of an atomic drop and somehow got a three-count.

For the AI, it'd have to be the time the Lords of Pain lost to Calamari Kid... in a 2 on 1 handicap match.

Who else has something embaressing?

[GardnerFTW]

I lost to someone in 2:00. I don't remember who, but was pure BS, similar to yours. We're both at "High", I go for a bodyslam, he falls on top and gets the 3 count.

[Condors]

I have had that happen for and agaist me a couple times sometimes frustrating when it does

[spmkillie]

the same has happened to me too... only it was the first fecking move :D

[Matt799]

I was in a feud and before the match I get a pop up saying the guy I was feuding with ran me over with a car. Then when the match started I had no energy and all my body parts were at almost zero and I got pinned within the first minute.

[bplotkin]

Exhibition match.

I was controlling Bruce The Giant against Candy Floss.

Bruce goes for a bodyslam first move.

Candy falls on top out of it.

1...

2...

No way I need to bother using Fighting Spirit to kick out on a woman, right?....

Wrong.

3.

One minute.

I can crawl back under my desk now.

[Adam Ryland]

I'll reduce the chance of that happening. It's supposed to be ultra-rare to have a fluke loss like that, but it seems it's happening too much based on this thread.

[flaviooooo]

I was in a feud and before the match I get a pop up saying the guy I was feuding with ran me over with a car. Then when the match started I had no energy and all my body parts were at almost zero and I got pinned within the first minute.


LOL :D

[Damian]

Wasn't too embarasing, more just frustrating to be honest... against Manchester Fly Boy... I was in Medium and he was in Danger.. I hit 4 finishers and he kicked out of them all.. then falls out on me as I do a Bow and Arrow Lock and gets the 3.

Turned the game off at that point and sulked for a few hours.

[PyroFalkon]

I've been there, Damian. I just got out of a match where I was completely schooled by a a team that I had decent success with. Normally the matches are pretty even, but this time one guy busted out 24 of 27 moves on me!!! It was practically a handicap match. By the time I tagged out, I was in danger, and he had barely been touched. Only got a C for that one...

[Damian]

lol i get those alot... one match will be even and go either way. Next match up, I spend 95% of it trying to avoid, block, counter whatever and the guy hits next to everymove.. anytime i go for a hit, he counters and I end up losing without hitting the guy more than once.

What sucks is the guys that this happen with are usually wack as hell, like one stat in 30 and the rest real low. It's one thing that bugs me with the game... you try a billion times to hit a move and don't... so switch characters and it'll still be the same, suddenly your original guy is better. Makes it challenging but sometimes it just gets on ya nerves.

Example.. in my real update, Rey Mysterio totally schooled me as Batista, HHH, Kane and Benoit.. barely got a single hit in the whole match. Yet switch the rolls and it stills goes against you.

[spmkillie]

cant say that happens to me too much damian... does how often the cpu reverses moves etc reflect in their technique stat? if so then 'big men' with all power and nothing else reverse far to much on me

[Damian]

I'd have thought Technical reflected most countering ways, minus Break which would be down to power guys. But it seems people with stats like 5, 7 and 30.. can out wrestle somebody with 60, 70 and 80, with real ease. It's pretty randomised.

[Condors]

if i remember correctly speed helps with avoid, power helps with break

there are other factors though

[Adam Ryland]

I'd have thought Technical reflected most countering ways, minus Break which would be down to power guys. But it seems people with stats like 5, 7 and 30.. can out wrestle somebody with 60, 70 and 80, with real ease. It's pretty randomised.

No it is not "randomised", and I've already given in-depth explanations on how it works, one of which you can find with a quick search of this forum. The chance of hitting a move is based on the Frequency, with slight modifications based upon the stats and conditions of the two wrestlers involved. If you're getting reversed all the time then you are either going for moves with too low of a Frequency, or you're just being unlucky. There is NO other reasons why you will be out-wrestled by someone with lower stats, it is purely down to basic probability theory.

[infinitywpi]

I'm waiting for the With Authority! "Pin Math" arguement to begin here again... ah, the good ol' days.

[Damian]

Fair enough, but it just seems a lil against the player... I tried to use a simple Punch about 5 times and hit none... all were countered by moves with fair lower Frequency.. thats all that baffles me.

[Adam Ryland]

I think you've misunderstood the concept slightly. Your example said a Punch was countered by a move with lower Frequency, so for the sake or argument let's say it was a Snap Suplex. To make it easy, let's say the Punch has 80% Frequency and the Snap Suplex has 50%.

The way you've described it makes it sound like:

Player A tries the Punch at 80%, Player B tried the Snap Suplex at 50%, the Snap Suplex "wins" the battle.

That is not the case. What would actually happen would be:

Player A tries the Punch at 80%.
Player A FAILS to execute the move.
Control passes to Player B.
Player B tries the Snap Suplex at 50%.
Player B EXECUTES the move.

The key difference that I think you've missed is that the Snap Suplex doesn't even get attempted unless Player A fails first. Therefore you're not being "countered by a move with lower Frequency" in the sense that that is somehow beating your move. What's happening is that you're failing to execute your move first, and then the opponent is succeeding. The reason you've probably not noticed that he is failing his counter more than you is because it wouldn't show on-screen if he missed (although that is fixed in the new patch though, as it will tell you that both missed).

[PyroFalkon]

I just had two back-to-back matches where I lost due to moves being countered with "Fall." The first one I assumed I wouldn't lose, so I didn't use fighter spirit. The second I *did* use fighter spirit, but it didn't matter. In both, I lost with my energy High, and theirs in Danger.

Is there a bigger chance of a Fall happening when I use a finisher? Both losses came from Finishers getting reversed, and when it comes to games, I tend not to lean toward coincidences.

[Adam Ryland]

Falling On Top uses the power of the move against the attacker, so someone falling on top of a powerful finisher is more likely to get a pin than if they fall on top from a bodyslam.

[dan10k]

My rookie got beat by Miss Information. It was unfair, I didn't want to fight a female! I think I underestimated her though...

[Derek B]

Did your scouting turn out to be inaccurate? Not true? Were ya misinformed? :p

[KeyserSoze]

At least most dissapointing.

I´ve come back to America after 18 months in Japan. Battle against Jack Gyderoic. I´ve dominated all the combat. I´ve tried at least 20 finishers, but just in one he used WS. The first finisher he uses and i´m out!

[EdJames]

Had someone in danger without gtting hit once, I climbed the top rope for my special, missed it and he pinned me for 3!!! I hadn't had ANY damage before that!

[Damian]

Had someone in danger without gtting hit once, I climbed the top rope for my special, missed it and he pinned me for 3!!! I hadn't had ANY damage before that!

Hate when that happens.. I lost my tag titles doing that.... should be an option for the partner to break the pin.

[EdJames]

How many times in real life have you seen someone miss they're top rope finisher and the other dude just walk over and pin them? NEVER!

[eayragt]

How many times in real life have you seen someone miss they're top rope finisher and the other dude just walk over and pin them? NEVER!

It does happen. When Spike first came into the WWF it was the only way he won matches.

And remember, it's not really strolling over and gently pinning. The failed finisher is in agony (eg failed frog spalsh), allowing your opponent to quickly rush over and scrape the 3 count.

[Derek B]

It is still pretty crappy though. You might aswell never use a finisher with a lift in it or a flying move that can miss. Since they have such a high success rate and therefore a high chance of losing should you miss/be fallen on (25% frequency for a 90% pin=70%ish chance you about to lose if you try the move), then why would you bother with them?

There should be a lower chance of being pinned after missing a big move otherwise you might as well never use the moves which would defeat some of the point in being a flyer/power wrestler.

How often has Undertaker been pinned by people falling on him? How many times has Eddie or RVD been beaten seconds after missing a Frog Splash? Exactly

Derek B - has also has a fair share of stupid losses like that and can add up numbers too

[That Crazy Guy]

I lost in two minutes with my rookies first match when I tried to bodyslam the guy, He fell on top and I didn't bother to Use my Wrestling Spirit because I knew it wouldn't get A three count....
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I was wrong

[Jeremy]

I remember when I was a rookie as Jeremy Shaw I beat Insane Mcahine in 6 minutes after I fell on top of a pumphandle powerslam I believe.

Good win.

As for losses for me, I was Human Arsenal and lost to a rookie in WLW in like 9 minutes. I felt so ashamed I deleted that game.

[Xenodracon]

I've had the fluke win happen 3 times so far where the pin comes in under 5 minutes and each of us is no lower than medium. The first time was a guy fell on me out of an atomic drop maybe 10 moves in, another was a basic roll-up move, and the third actually worked for me when I fell on top of them out of a suplex. No matter which way it goes though it's bad due to the lousy match rating, E for all of them. Makes me wonder how you can get the DUD rating, they must have to go down from a single forearm blow or something.

[XellenceOfXecution]

Makes me wonder how you can get the DUD rating, they must have to go down from a single forearm blow or something.
I think the DUD rating only comes if you hit emergency finish on the match.

[spmkillie]

nah im sure i got a dud when i lost on the first move

[Barniferous]

Well, I just lost one that just about made me uninstall the game. My last match was for NYCW with my created character. (I have 76 matches, 40 wins and 36 losses) The match was Brett Fraser and Spike vs. Me and Spanish Superfly.

Brett Fraser: Pow 52 Tech 15 Spd 16 Psy 64 Sta 62
Superfly: Pow 48 Tech 35 Spd 72 Psy 87 Sta 84
Me:Pow 17 Tech 44 Spd 45 Psy 89 Sta 44
Spike: Doesn't matter, he never tagged in!

Brett Fraser hit almost every one of his moves. He avoided over 18 times, mainly against low level high frequency moves. He didn't tag out (I managed to tag a few times) and singlehandedly beat both of the guys on my team. Superfly, who has a very high speed rating, couldn't hit a single dropkick! Not to mention, due to my lack of offence, the match rating was a D and I lost 2 points of fighting spirit and a point of overness on the deal.

Seriously, WTF?

This is almost as bad as the times I lost to women (yes, plural), The Gremlin, and when I was in a 3 vs. 2 handicap match and my team (the team of 3) lost. Is it really possible to get ahead on this game without playing a giant or superstar mode?

[XellenceOfXecution]

Is it really possible to get ahead on this game without playing a giant or superstar mode?
I'm currently beginning year 8 with my created guy and my record is 287 wins, 63 losses. Last year I was ranked #1 and earned $1,400,000 and I'm the current SWF North American champ (11 defenses).
My wrestler started as a Lightweight Super Junior, but beefed up to Middleweight three years ago.
In short, the answer is "Yes." ;)