Are PPV's fixed?

[coldheat422]

I was wondering if the AI can properly simulate something like Wrestlemania as the HUGE ppv that it is creating more buys than any other ppv of the year as it does in real life. That also brings up, is advertising changed? Will we be able to hype the ppv more to create more buys? I liked the old system of how the PPVs were Enormous, Huge, or whatever it was.

[darthsiddus2]

if its an American promotion working the Perfect Show Theory it should be able to put together huge PPVs itself. it might also be true for the Japanese prmotions.

[coldheat422]

I've put on A+ shows for Wrestlemania and Backlash and Judgment Day had more viewers. Inform me, what is the perfect show theory? There is no such thing as a perfect show to me, nothing is ever PERFECT.

[djthefunkchris]

I've put on A+ shows for Wrestlemania and Backlash and Judgment Day had more viewers. Inform me, what is the perfect show theory? There is no such thing as a perfect show to me, nothing is ever PERFECT.

He's talking about the new modification in 2007 version. The Perfect show is when you grab them from the first segment, then put some not so hot segments in for a bit, then back to more action, and so forth till it boils up to the main event being the hottest. Thats the ideal, and what alot of people do anyways (especially REAL wrestling promotions).

Far as PPV's are concerned. Yes Wrestlemania is the highest rated PPV for WWE. The first one was not a PPV event, but Closed Circuit Television (I believe thats how they said it). It was huge, and number 3 was the biggest. They started with one HUGE event though, and as the years came, they added to it. Wrestlemania for a couple of years, then adding the Royal Rumble and other favorites as time went by, and finally having a PPV every month, and sometimes twice a month.

So in essense, what I am saying is, Yes, it's the biggest event. I don't know if you can simulate that kind of history in the TEW game though.

Maybe someone else can answer a question for me that has tried. If you start with just one PPV every year for a couple of years, does that PPV ultimately end up the fan favorite (providing you really suped it up)?

That is another reason why Wrestlemania is bigger as well. They hype that one PPV up more then any other PPV they ever hold.

[coldheat422]

Ok, but it still doesn't answer what I want. Obviously I want to try to do the perfect show theory for every show. If I did it for Mania and all my other ppv's, Manias buyrates could be lower than the other ppv's. How do I break that with Mania while doing my best to make the other ppv's good?

[Thomnipotent]

This is why the PPV sizes are in 05 -- so you can make WM huge and the rest a step down from that.

Also, try booking hotter WM matches; that may draw larger crowds. Treat it like the largest show you'll throw all year and it'll be the largest show you'll throw all year.

[Remianen]

This is why the PPV sizes are in 05 -- so you can make WM huge and the rest a step down from that.

Also, try booking hotter WM matches; that may draw larger crowds. Treat it like the largest show you'll throw all year and it'll be the largest show you'll throw all year.

Actually Thom, you might wanna go back and look at show sizing in 05. Pay per view is the largest size category available (Small - Medium - Big - Huge - Pay Per View) so there are no 'ppv sizes' in 05.

I don't think it's possible to simulate a Wrestlemania type of show, since to do so, the AI promotions would have to pretty much gimp their previous PPVs or build all their storylines around that one show being the focal point. Although, it is very possible (and pretty damn easy IMO) to create a WM type show as a human booker (at least in 05). It involves manipulating storylines and worker momentum and overness to produce matches with high (B+ or better) heat when advance booked. For a human booker, doing that should be fairly simple if it's truly their desire to create a 'Card of the Year' candidate show (which is essentially what WM and Bound for Glory type shows are meant to be, from a financial/popularity standpoint). Not so sure the AI can do that, but only because I haven't noticed the AI putting on the best matches for their PPVs. I mean honestly, how does SWF and TCW put on B rated PPVs with the people they have? Many people can probably relate stories of WWE in their games putting on stinkers as well.

[djthefunkchris]

In my current game, I just hit global... and at the same time WWE went from global to cult (HOW).

I wanted to figure out how that happened, and I checked with the editor... Seems WWE was around 60% everywhere, then the last two shows were kind of bad (not the worse, but rated something like C- on both shows). I guess the international status means you have to be 65% in your home, and something like 40% everywhere else, and the National is 65% in home (all home). Yet global is 60%+ in at least 4 regions. So when they lost the 60% in most the countries (including the states), they went from global to cult... Or at least thats the only thing I can think of.

The reason it was so hard for me to figure out though, is because when I was National, I went from National to Cult and back so many times... And it's much harder to make up for what you lost:-( However, I was going up in ALL reagions at the same time, So I jumped from National to Internation to global alot faster then it took me to break from the National/cult dilemma I was having. I wish I would have gave my promotion more overness to start, keeping my National level borderline to internation instead of Cult, lol.

It's really easy for me to put on stinky shows... and I lost a major network somehow? I think because I showed the same show on another network at the same time (I didn't mean to, just happened), the Bigger network backed out on me. I don't see anything about it though, and to be honest, I'm not sure if thats what happened. So now I only have one show that is really big:( The other show is rating lower then Smackdown because it's on such a small network ( although showing almost everywhere).

Oops, Sorry for going off topic. But yeah, seems TNA is destined to put on B- shows, and WWE is still putting on C type shows. I just hired alot of TNA big names and alot of WWE smaller names that they got rid of from going to cult status.

[sirniles2000]

This feature used to be in the first TEW. You could pick how much hype you wanted each pay per view to have, therefore making it so that you could have your "supershow". I LOVED this feature, and don't understand why it was taken out of the game.

[scorpion]

I have two ideas on this subject.

1. You could have an option to designate "your wrestlemania" this could be a tick box where you would designate one show as your main show of the year. This along with other factor could influence your buyrate or attendance for that show.

2. Show prestige. In this way you could create your own wrestlemania. It could be based on the longevity of the PPV (the reason WM, SSlam, SSEries, and RR are considered the main shows) and its quality history.This could also be a negative impact... see Great American Bash. Also, the promotions size would have an impact as a brand new PPV by WWE would prob still be considered more prestigious than than the ECWA Super 8.

[coldheat422]

i like that idea a lot..is it too late to include a feature like this?

[Rob4590]

I really do think that all of you are missing the whole point of TEW. To get your biggest show of the year, you actually have to work for it at the moment, and all these suggestions for tick boxes etc, all they do is make things very simplistic. In real life - ask yourself why Wrestlemania is the biggest WWE PPV of the year? The answer is becuse they HYPE it as such. For the last couple of months on RAW and Smackdown, there have been hype videos about Wrestlemania next year. As soon as we get to the Royal Rumble, the hype is everywhere that the winner of the rumble will face one of the world champions etc

In game terms, this is done by good ADVANCE BOOKING, which increases the buyrate of the PPV. So you need to actually plan your booking so that the biggest matches at your biggest PPV have very good heat ratings. And how do you do that? You need to manage your storylines so that the wrestlers involved go into Mania with excellent momentum, and you can't just do that the day before the event - there's got to be a long(ish) term build up to it.

Do you think that Wrestlemania would be the biggest PPV if it wasn't mentioned and hyped everywhere until a week beforehand? No.

So very simply - this whole suggestion seems to be aimed at making the game soooo ridiculously simple, rather than the user actually having to use a little bit of brain power and imagination to create his own mega PPV.





(Apologies if anyone thinks I am trying to create an argument - I just feel that none of you seem to have quite thought this through as fully as you could have done)

[djthefunkchris]

Rob4590, you hit it on the nail. They are already hyping wrestlemania for next year, and they still have December, January and Feb. to go still. At least 3 or 4 more PPV event's before Wrestlemania, yet tickets for Wrestlemania start in like 7 days.

The idea, or premise of this game, in my opinion. Is you can have your Once a Year big event, or......... You can have as many as you want, as your "Main Events". TEW allows a promotion to make each of their PPV's as big as wrestlemania.

Rob is exactly write about real life, Imagine if you started YOUR Wrestlemania type Booking 3 months in advance? And as you get closer the "Heat" for all your match's gets higher and higher. You would have enormous turnout for it.

[fusionfreak]

I really do think that all of you are missing the whole point of TEW. To get your biggest show of the year, you actually have to work for it at the moment, and all these suggestions for tick boxes etc, all they do is make things very simplistic. In real life - ask yourself why Wrestlemania is the biggest WWE PPV of the year? The answer is becuse they HYPE it as such. For the last couple of months on RAW and Smackdown, there have been hype videos about Wrestlemania next year. As soon as we get to the Royal Rumble, the hype is everywhere that the winner of the rumble will face one of the world champions etc

In game terms, this is done by good ADVANCE BOOKING, which increases the buyrate of the PPV. So you need to actually plan your booking so that the biggest matches at your biggest PPV have very good heat ratings. And how do you do that? You need to manage your storylines so that the wrestlers involved go into Mania with excellent momentum, and you can't just do that the day before the event - there's got to be a long(ish) term build up to it.

Do you think that Wrestlemania would be the biggest PPV if it wasn't mentioned and hyped everywhere until a week beforehand? No.

So very simply - this whole suggestion seems to be aimed at making the game soooo ridiculously simple, rather than the user actually having to use a little bit of brain power and imagination to create his own mega PPV.





(Apologies if anyone thinks I am trying to create an argument - I just feel that none of you seem to have quite thought this through as fully as you could have done)

I think your missing some points as well. Wrestlemania is known as a supercard. So was Starrcade in the old NWA and eventually WCW. All of the titles were defended and most of the matches were main event. Wrestlemania, Starrcade, Royal Rumble, Survivor Series, Summer Slam are events that hold alot of prestige. Every wrestler wants to just be in one of those events, especially Wrestlemania. Every wrestling fan wants to go to Wrestlemania way before anyone knows what the matches are. I don't know what matches there planing for Wrestlemania in 2007 but I'm buying the ppv for sure. I bought Wrestlemania 2006 this year and I don't think there was a single match I wanted to see but I got it because after all, its Wrestlemania. In TEW 04 you could hype a ppv 1 month, 2 months, 6 months or 1 whole year. I liked that, it seemed very realistic to me. WWE starts hyping Wrestlemania the day after Wrestlemania. They start hyping where its going to be. They don't hype the matches because...........they have now idea what the matches are going to be. They don't start hyping acutall matches untill maybe 2 months ahead of time. This past one they didn't start hyping actuall matches untill about a month or maybe a little more. Anyway, my point is this, the other ppv's draw mostly regular wrestling fans. Royal Rumble, Suvivor Series, Summer Slam and especially especially especially Wrestlemania draws in so many people who don't watch wrestling on a regular basis they just like going to "the big one". Myself, I like TNA a little better but I'm still getting Suvivor Series, Royal Rumble, Summer Slam and Wrestlemania for sure. I might miss the other 3 but not Wrestlemania. There is way to much prestige there to miss it.

[Lonewolf_92]

I agree with FusionFreak. Wrestlemania is like a season finale in a television program, the program might have specials or cross-overs, but the season finale is what everyone turns in to see. Wrestlemania is more than a well hyped show, it's an event in itself.
To go with an example the E love to use, Wrestlemania is the World Series of the company, and much like the World Series, people tune in even if they don't follow wrestling/WWE avidly.

[coldheat422]

Yeah, and Rob, you can't advertise and hype your ppv's before hand other than advance booking which is what I do for all other ppv's. ANd when I advance book for a ppv like armageddon or basklash, I don't aim for B+'s then andA+'s at Mania, obviously my goal is to advance book the best heat as possible whenever I am booking. So in TEW05, there is no way to properly seperate the Wrestlemania ppv from another ppv, unless you are purposely trying to make the minor ppvs look bad so Mania can look great.

[Remianen]

To go with an example the E love to use, Wrestlemania is the World Series of the company, and much like the World Series, people tune in even if they don't follow wrestling/WWE avidly.

Actually, I believe the event they compare Wrestlemania to is the Super Bowl moreso than the World Series. It fits better (one day event watched by people all over the world which has never been cancelled) and is more prestigious as shown by this year's World Series (least watched in recorded history).

But Rob is right, whether you want to admit it or not, and explained it a lot better than I did. If the feature framework existed in 04, I'd love to for it to exist in a future version. If only so I could promote all my PPVs at the same level and reap the benefits, which are bound to outstrip the cost of that additional promotion, just to show why that feature might've been scrapped in the first place. Just because it existed in a previous version that was written on an entirely different codebase (remember, 05 is a complete rewrite over 04 and 07 is built on top of 05's framework), doesn't mean it's an easy addition. The feature has to be balanced with the game's current features and gameplay and without a check or balance to prevent folks from mega-hyping all of their PPVs (and getting Wrestlemania level revenue and popularity gains for No Mercy level shows), this suggested feature becomes the TEW equivalent of 'Monty Haul'.

You're basically asking to be able to promote events independent of the things scheduled to occur during those events. I dunno about that. I treat all of my PPVs the same in that they're all supposed to rate extremely high. Adding this in as-is fashion would just make the game even easier.

[Adam Ryland]

Yeah, and Rob, you can't advertise and hype your ppv's before hand other than advance booking which is what I do for all other ppv's. ANd when I advance book for a ppv like armageddon or basklash, I don't aim for B+'s then andA+'s at Mania, obviously my goal is to advance book the best heat as possible whenever I am booking. So in TEW05, there is no way to properly seperate the Wrestlemania ppv from another ppv, unless you are purposely trying to make the minor ppvs look bad so Mania can look great.

You've just pointed out the flaw in your own argument, especially with the last sentence.

The WWE doesn't book every PPV to be the greatest possible show, there is noticeably more effort put into the major events than there is in the "lesser" shows. You just admitted in your post that you don't do that, you aim for the best show every time - so if you're not playing the same way as the WWE, why do you believe you should get the same results as them? There's no logical reason why it should.

The logic is that if you want the same results that the WWE gets, you book the same way as them. Which would mean you advance book your best matches for WrestleMania well in advance, spend months building the heat up, and end up with a great card. In comparison, for the lesser events, you maybe just announce the main event and put the rest of the card together the week before. The result? Mania is the better show, and will therefore get the better ratings.

You just need to look at the last sentence you typed to see the logic flaw - you shouldn't be thinking along the lines of making your other shows look bad to make Mania appear good, you should be making Mania look fantastic so that the others take a back seat. There's no reason that they have to look bad, they just have to be not as good - which is what happens in reality.

[coldheat422]

but in TEW we all strive for A+ shows...If we booked any less and we had such great presitge and popularity if would effect us. If it was the real WWE it would not.

[djthefunkchris]

but in TEW we all strive for A+ shows...If we booked any less and we had such great presitge and popularity if would effect us. If it was the real WWE it would not.

That's not really a true statement though. These boards are full of WWE "haters" or at least are Anti-WWE, because they believe the WWE is not as good as the shows they do appreciate. However, it is all a matter of opinion. Right now the opinion of millions thinks WWE is the best promotion in the US, and half of them don't even know about any other promotions. SO your statement about it not effecting the WWE is really untrue. IF they do not Perform "better" every year, and especially at their Wrestlemania event, they would lose the prestige, lose the fan base, and lose the popularity it takes to keep it going. They don't expect every PPV to be like Wrestlemania. Wrestlemania is what started it all in the first place, so historically it will always be the most popular, unless they start sucking at it.

What your asking for, is something to make the PPV event you schedule to have alot of prestige, as Wrestlemania does for WWE. Well, it took year's of doing it to get it to where it is today. When you start your game, your virtually doing Wrestlemania for the very first time, and thus you don't have the "Prestige" that years would take to develop.

I understand what the original question is, it's about prestige and about a certain PPV being a goal (something all wrestlers would like to have said they have been in, let alone main evented).

All anyone is trying to tell you is that you can simulate it, by booking way in advance and adding as much heat as possible to it. You cannot do this for every event you have, because certain people will need months of heat to get it to boil the way Wrestlemania ussually does. Your storyline ending, and cross promotion story's should have a boiling point that ends or is very high by the time Wrestlemania time comes. Trust me, you will see a big difference in IT then the rest of the normal PPV's you do, even though your booking them around a week to a month ahead of time.

[D16NJD16]

There should be various ways to book a perfect show, not just one formula.

[Adam Ryland]

There should be various ways to book a perfect show, not just one formula.

There are. I suggest you re-read the post about it, as you don't appear to understand it.

[D16NJD16]

There are. I suggest you re-read the post about it, as you don't appear to understand it.


I thought someone was arguing that there should only be one. :p

[Ultima]

I think that show prestige would be the best way to do it. While Advance Booking is good for most shows, as others have said, Wrestlemania sells out quickly (months before the first match is announced) just because it's WRESTLEMANIA, with a tremendous legacy.

[Shane O'Riley]

One thing that sucked in 05 is in my WCW 2001 game WWF booked for Summerslam a match between Ivory and Chyna for the Womens Title in the Main Event.

It was pretty unrealistic.

[Adam Ryland]

Then you might want to look at the data you're using. They couldn't be in the main event unless the data had been set up in a way that made them viable headliners.