T-Zone 2007 [Archive] - Page 2

NickC13573

01-02-2007, 11:56 PM

Johnny Fenoli

01-02-2007, 11:58 PM

Wars should be open ended. Why? You're inviting the enemy to wait until the troops are out to strike again. If you come out and say, "We are withdrawing troops in X amount of months/years", it would be a disaster. I'd much rather have the job done right over there, with our military training the Iraqi army and police to do things right, so they can guard their citizens, then rush the job and have the country go back to tyrants worse than Saddam.

I am telling you, it is people like you who would've done a grave dissservice to this country in the generation of World War 2. There is absolutely little to no patience with wars nowadays. Slowly, ever since World War 2, there's been an erosion in the culture of this country that is putting us at risk for something worse than 9/11...We don't learn from history. Islamofacists are the 21st century ****s. Watch the documentary Obsession to understand that.

It's amazing how his initial post is fine and dandy, especially since you two share the same opinion about the war. Please, you lost your credibility there. If the roles had been reversed and I had said something in support of the war and said I was in the Navy, Army, etc, I would've been flamed. The point is, if he or you do not want an opinion shouted back at you, the common sense approach would be to say nothing at all in the first place.

He only even mentioned the war, it appears, in response to cyberkitten's support of his war efforts.

I mean where do you come from? The dude makes one comment in response and all the sudden D;(k Cheaney signs on his GDS acct and starts going off on home boy... D;(k put the keyboard down and go hunt for quail.

HugeRockStar760

01-03-2007, 12:03 AM

Ok, I know that it may be sounding like I am saying that I hate bush for giving me NO date to expect them back home. I am NOT saying that. Just the problem with this "they will not leave till I am out" says to me, and some americans that We are taking our sweet ass time over there and not training them. I would much rather have a shot for date that would Kill Prez Bush if he didnt start bringing them back by then; I would rather have that then a prez who doesnt even shoot for a date.

Considering the Iraqi army is well into being trained makes this nonsense pointless. I am in a military town, (Camp Pendleton). So I can tell you that the troops don't want to rush anything. Why? If they rush and leave, and Iraq really falls apart, it would mean all the lives lost would've been in vain. All because naive liberals wanted a few more votes.

Sample some real servicemen in Iraq, and they'll tell you the answers is more troops to secure the capital. The big mistake of all this war was not going to war but it was fighting a war with a small amount of troops.

The telling thing in all of this, while you rant about the President, is that unlike other liberals, George Bush has stuck to his stance on this war and has not wavered from it. The same thing was true with Harry Truman and he was a very unpopular President, but all of his opinions were validated about the Soviet Union and the Cold War.

He only even mentioned the war, it appears, in response to cyberkitten's support of his war efforts.

Why was a comment even made in the first place? And judging by your typical liberal insult at the end, you shouldn't be adding anything to this conversation because you're too biased to begin with. Why no "NO WAR FOR OIL" slogan?

bjo313

01-03-2007, 12:18 AM

yay for t-zone

Johnny Fenoli

01-03-2007, 12:25 AM

Considering the Iraqi army is well into being trained makes this nonsense pointless. I am in a military town, (Camp Pendleton). So I can tell you that the troops don't want to rush anything. Why? If they rush and leave, and Iraq really falls apart, it would mean all the lives lost would've been in vain. All because naive liberals wanted a few more votes.

Sample some real servicemen in Iraq, and they'll tell you the answers is more troops to secure the capital. The big mistake of all this war was not going to war but it was fighting a war with a small amount of troops.

The telling thing in all of this, while you rant about the President, is that unlike other liberals, George Bush has stuck to his stance on this war and has not wavered from it. The same thing was true with Harry Truman and he was a very unpopular President, but all of his opinions were validated about the Soviet Union and the Cold War.

Why was a comment even made in the first place? And judging by your typical liberal insult at the end, you shouldn't be adding anything to this conversation because you're too biased to begin with. Why no "NO WAR FOR OIL" slogan?

The comment was made, as I said, because CyberKitten wanted to show support. He responded to let her know it was ok that she didnt support the war itself, but was cool that she supports his putting himself out there.

The comment wasnt made so that the first pro war protestor on the board could come and start some debate on a "war".

NickC13573

01-03-2007, 12:31 AM

Considering the Iraqi army is well into being trained makes this nonsense pointless. I am in a military town, (Camp Pendleton). So I can tell you that the troops don't want to rush anything. Why? If they rush and leave, and Iraq really falls apart, it would mean all the lives lost would've been in vain. All because naive liberals wanted a few more votes.

Sample some real servicemen in Iraq, and they'll tell you the answers is more troops to secure the capital. The big mistake of all this war was not going to war but it was fighting a war with a small amount of troops.

The telling thing in all of this, while you rant about the President, is that unlike other liberals, George Bush has stuck to his stance on this war and has not wavered from it. The same thing was true with Harry Truman and he was a very unpopular President, but all of his opinions were validated about the Soviet Union and the Cold War.

Why was a comment even made in the first place? And judging by your typical liberal insult at the end, you shouldn't be adding anything to this conversation because you're too biased to begin with. Why no "NO WAR FOR OIL" slogan?

WOW, where the **** do you get off telling us what to think? How is Fenoli Biased? I HAVE talked to a person who is over there. My former Religion teacher has a niece that is working in a BURN clinic. I do not hate the war. I just wish I could have some vision of the future and not a big cloud of grey in front of me.

Johnny Fenoli

01-03-2007, 12:34 AM

WOW, where the **** do you get off telling us what to think? How is Fenoli Biased? I HAVE talked to a person who is over there. My former Religion teacher has a niece that is working in a BURN clinic. I do not hate the war. I just wish I could have some vision of the future and not a big cloud of grey in front of me.

actually... I might be a little biased. My brother, cousin, and 2 of my friends are in Iraq and Afghanistan respectfully right now.

eric_m_keeley

01-03-2007, 12:39 AM

AS far as I can tell the last 10 or so posts should be in the dog pund under a thread about the war. They have nothing to do with this mod.

Johnny Fenoli

01-03-2007, 12:50 AM

AS far as I can tell the last 10 or so posts should be in the dog pund under a thread about the war. They have nothing to do with this mod.

make that 11 or so.... well, crap... 12 with mine. lol

Sorry forlan for cramming up your thread.

Madman Jack

01-03-2007, 12:54 AM

AS far as I can tell the last 10 or so posts should be in the dog pund under a thread about the war. They have nothing to do with this mod.
Seconded. This subject tends to get me stressed a lot (as does anyone that talks about 'naive liberals' like they're the devil's children, when careful studies of the New Testament show the shocking truth -- that Jesus was, in fact, a [moderate] liberal), and I really don't need to see it when I'm trying to figure out when a mod for a wrestling game's gonna come out.

MrKain

01-03-2007, 01:30 AM

Huzzah for T-Zone! It has nothing to do with wars! YAY! :)

Any updates Forlan? Hopefully something good. :)

The-619

01-03-2007, 03:22 AM

I hope to see it up in a few days, good work so far Forlan

Blasphemywebleed

01-03-2007, 04:28 AM

HHUK

01-03-2007, 05:27 AM

Hey just a quick question about the mod, i dunno if its been asked or stated as i dont want to scroll through the all 16 pages. Will the workers come with pics and bios? i'm not expecting it to due to the massive number of workers.

Most did in the 05 version, so I'd imagine they would carry on the traditon. ;)

All the pictures exist in theory, and you can't exactly add a worker without knowing about them. I hope this put your mind at rest. :P

Blasphemywebleed

01-03-2007, 06:42 AM

Most did in the 05 version, so I'd imagine they would carry on the traditon. ;)

All the pictures exist in theory, and you can't exactly add a worker without knowing about them. I hope this put your mind at rest. :P

Yeah thanks :) I'm not too bothered about pics and bios myself as i've usually always got obsessed with wrestling open when playing, man i need a life :rolleyes:

forlan

01-03-2007, 06:55 AM

Can people please keep things about the war elsewhere as it clutters up the thread with un needed things. thanks

varney

01-03-2007, 07:18 AM

can we get a lil progress report daddio

forlan

01-03-2007, 09:24 AM

Basically nothing much done the last couple days as i'm trying to do my portfolio (due in 6 days) on Academic Research skills for uni. I dont see what the point in the module is, its the most pointless of the modules and takes the most work :(

BoyDay

01-03-2007, 09:41 AM

Just fail uni and finish the damn update ;o)

forlan

01-03-2007, 09:50 AM

Thanks Al, will do XD

HardcoreIcon87

01-03-2007, 09:54 AM

Some people don't understand a real life comes before...a wrestling game.

Blasphemywebleed

01-03-2007, 09:58 AM

Some people don't understand a real life comes before...a wrestling game.

There's more to life than TEW? Blasphemy!!! :eek:

But yeah I think people need to stop flaming the thread with "when will it be ready" posts. Forlan gives us detailed updates when he has something to report. So be patient and lets all crush SWF while we wait :)

BoyDay

01-03-2007, 09:59 AM

I don't know who those people are HI87, as I'm not one of them.

forlan

01-03-2007, 10:53 AM

MrKain

01-03-2007, 10:55 AM

I'd got for the mainstay players in the touring federations to be in the feds, but not have full rosters, as in reality, those groups change every like ten seconds...

BoyDay

01-03-2007, 11:03 AM

I'd go for the core people to begin with to save you time, then maybe add in the others for the second release.

cyberkitten01

01-03-2007, 11:15 AM

Apologies to everyone for saying something that derailed the topic, which to clarify is all about the new T-Zone for TEW2007

We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming

forlan

01-03-2007, 11:28 AM

Right, the long and short of it is this is about 88-90% done, now that doesnt means the data will be released today or nothing.

What is left to do:-

Sort gimmick rating on all the contracts since it messed up on conversion
Update all Rosters,champions etc.
Do Alter Egos
Add Some Arenas i have wrote down (anyone wants to do this for me to import they can just offer :))

MrKain

01-03-2007, 01:08 PM

Neato. Soon I'll finally be able to play the game through without getting bored at the characters. Oddly enough, I just can't play in the C-Verse... the characters don't sit well with me, and a LOT of them just plain out suck...

Can't wait for real people. Really. :)

TsuMirren

01-03-2007, 02:51 PM

Can I just quickly say, don't just release it straight after you've "finished". You should do some proper, utterly painstaking, testing. I know for a fact that the DOTT crew are testing away like lab techs in white coats...although, it's probably more fun than working with mice.

It'll probably be hard to test it for too long though as everyone will be a: asking for it to be released and b: pm'ing you asking to be part of the testing team.

The Stallion

01-03-2007, 03:04 PM

Hey, just wanted to say that I am sorry for starting this crazy off the wall debat about the "war". My intention was NOT to start anything with anybody, I have my own reasons for not supporting the war and I dont have to explain myself to anybody. All I wanted was to respond to Cyberkitten and let that be that.
Back on topic, Its good to hear that you are almost done with the mod Forlan, you are one of the best mod makers on the boards and one that I truly respect for the time and dedication you put into the mod. I agree that you should do some good testing after it is complete just to see if things run smoothly and what not.
Again sorry for spurring a huge debat about something that has no place in this thread.

darthsiddus2

01-03-2007, 03:31 PM

it really shouldn't have gotten beyond that. HOWEVER certain people will give their opinions weather or not its warented and it wasn't.

forlan

01-03-2007, 03:33 PM

djthefunkchris

01-03-2007, 04:00 PM

Testing already gets done as i go along, i often test various things. And its all well and good for something like DOTT but if i were to "finish" everything then do weeks of testing, loads of rosters and such would need updating then testing and thing would never ever come out

You've got a VERY VALID point. D.O.T.T needs testing for various historical reason's, if nothing else. Pluss, the roster's are historic, so set in stone so to speak.

Your's is the here and now, and what happens next is not known, so how would you test that aspect of it anyways? Should certain promotions start to expand or decline, etc... We don't know that yet.

Pluss, as you said, alot of promotions change up on you in a few days time, let alone weeks going by. You would have to change the roster's, and possibly test again.

The things that matter (like Storylines having angle's to support them, etc.) can be done by one or two people without much trouble I imagine.

I'm a fan of both, historic and modern. I'm just here for the fun, lol.

D16NJD16

01-03-2007, 07:56 PM

I'm a fan of both, historic and modern. I'm just here for the fun, lol.

What about the chicks!?

That Crazy Guy

01-03-2007, 08:38 PM

Yeah, what about Forlan?

Couldn't stop myself. :D

Togg

01-04-2007, 02:03 PM

any update on T-Zone today from The Wonerfull Forlan? (kissing a little ass to get a reply):p

theaddicane

01-04-2007, 02:07 PM

Im tremendously looking forward to this mod :)

Can't wait forlan, thanks alot in advance.

flamebrain

01-04-2007, 02:09 PM

Likewise. I must say this is the mod I'm looking forward to playing most :)

HardcoreIcon87

01-04-2007, 02:21 PM

I am sure this will be out soon enough...Atler Egos will take awhile.

MrKain

01-04-2007, 02:22 PM

By a long shot, this is the one I'm waiting for. I'm getting people on other forums psyched for it as well... :)

ubernoobDXA

01-04-2007, 03:28 PM

forl, just a little update. Should be done with my parts late tonight, I just found out i have a ton of school stuff to take care of so I'm going to do that first then get down to biz-nass.

forlan

01-04-2007, 03:45 PM

Cool, maybe i should explain, ubernoob took on the task of making the arenas i had wrote down to make. Im currently going through promotion by promotion and checking stats and such and for some of the promotions i know most about, writing better bios, an example of such bios is

"The Haze" Daizee Haze is an accomplished female worker trained out in St. Louis at the Gateway Championship Wrestling Dojo and one of the modern day pioneers for the promotion of women's wrestling in the United States. With tours of Mexico under her belt she can be seen around various promotions although she seems to call SHIMMER her home. She employs a very hard hitting style considering her gender including the utilisation of the Heart Punch and a vicious straight kick to the head.

NickC13573

01-04-2007, 03:51 PM

you should add the West St. Paul Armory to the game. Its max capacity is about 300 but it has held host to everything from SDW to NPW events and is considered the #1 FIGHT venue in the twin cities.

D16NJD16

01-04-2007, 04:25 PM

By a long shot, this is the one I'm waiting for. I'm getting people on other forums psyched for it as well... :)

Other forums? Like what?

pete

01-04-2007, 06:22 PM

Daizee Haze is a sh*t wrestler.

Goldenskillz

01-04-2007, 06:34 PM

Daizee Haze is a sh*t wrestler.

So ?????, So are 80 percent of both TNA and WWE but you still want every one in the game regardless of how excellent or **** they are....Daizee deserves to be in just as much as the pensioner Ric Flair. Because unlike you assume she is not sh ite....enuff said.

forlan

01-04-2007, 07:01 PM

A very uneducated reply from my Pete there, Daizee Haze is a great wrestler, watch something like SHIMMER and you might lose your WWE'ised opinion that women cant wrestle very well.

latenitescw

01-04-2007, 07:21 PM

Forlan's right. There are some women who aren't afraid of their makeup or hair, who actually get in there and mix it up. Even WWE's female stars who do wrestle can't hold a flame to indy women. WWE protected their women and forced them to wrestle safe matches, so that they could still be around to do sexist backstage segments and photo shoots, things that seem to make wrestling the afterthought.

You are very wrong in your assumption.

Deadman36g

01-04-2007, 07:21 PM

Forlan, in the locations can you add Fort Smith Convention Center (Fort Smith, AR) we had ECW there about 2 months ago, and in a few weeks we are gonna have Phenomenal Wrestling Legends, it holds close to 1500 people.

varney

01-04-2007, 07:26 PM

Also ROH switched from Froniter Fieldhouse in Chicago Ridge to the Windy City Field House in Chicago which can hold a bit more

MrKain

01-04-2007, 09:40 PM

Other forums? Like what?

I write up game reviews and such at EWN (an eWrestling forum)... I also go to a few wrestling forums that have seen someo f the people actually get '05 back in the day because of me. So yeah, T-Zone was their fave last time, so I'm hyping them up against for it this year.

djthefunkchris

01-04-2007, 10:08 PM

Other forums? Like what?

Probably other area's for TEW and EWR talk. I don't know if he is, but he might be making another update with EWR as well, to go along with this. T-Zone is pretty popular outside of here....

For example, I heard about the T-Zone updates for EWR long before I come to find out about TEW period.... And I never knew of this websight before I knew of T-Zone (although I did know who Adam was, and Sophie, etc.). The EWR link was messed up in the EWR I played, far as trying to find THIS sight was concerned, I had to do a Search on Adam Ryland.

bjo313

01-04-2007, 10:09 PM

Also ROH switched from Froniter Fieldhouse in Chicago Ridge to the Windy City Field House in Chicago which can hold a bit more

supposedly it's not a permanent move.

D16NJD16

01-04-2007, 10:18 PM

It gives me a banned message when I try to register at Extreme Warefare Battleground even though I haven't had an account there for 3 years and can never remember being banned

misfit103

01-05-2007, 12:19 AM

What was your name there?

HugeRockStar760

01-05-2007, 12:31 AM

It gives me a banned message when I try to register at Extreme Warefare Battleground even though I haven't had an account there for 3 years and can never remember being banned

That site is basically run by people comparable to Hitler. You can't say anything that the moderators and admins don't agree with. Generally, they are VERY anti-american too, so if you are an American, you'll be banned likely. You're not missing much by not being on EWB. I'd say these forums are much better and professional. I'm glad the official forums are here and not over at EWB.

I think the forums were switched one time to another website and the EWB admins had temper tantrums until he came back. It was really embarassing to say the least.

D16NJD16

01-05-2007, 12:34 AM

Yeah I kind of remember that but the details were a little fuzzy.

Sartagis

01-05-2007, 04:50 AM

I'm doing a little now in a break from uni work and was wondering for Japan would people prefer me to include everyone thats currently working at present for the promotions or just the core people and let them pick their own freelancers and tourers for the majority?

I'd say include them all, home talent, freelancers, everyone that is currently touring when the mod comes out include. Honestly the freelancers that tour with the promotions doesn't change all that much. Nor is there a lot of them in any given promotion. And they are guaranteed to be there for a month at least, normally longer though. The guys I wouldn't include are guys who are in a fed through a talent trade or working agreement. Like when Dragon Gate guys (by guys I mean Mochi :p) go to NJPW, those guys can be left out. But guys like Apache Army should be included in NJPW, they don't tour every month but the have been showing up for several shows for months now feuding with CTU.

Michael Wayne

01-05-2007, 04:55 AM

That site is basically run by people comparable to Hitler. You can't say anything that the moderators and admins don't agree with. Generally, they are VERY anti-american too, so if you are an American, you'll be banned likely. You're not missing much by not being on EWB. I'd say these forums are much better and professional. I'm glad the official forums are here and not over at EWB.

I think the forums were switched one time to another website and the EWB admins had temper tantrums until he came back. It was really embarassing to say the least.

I still remember the days when the EWB boards were actually a happening place to post and when they were directly associated with Ryland and his EWR series. I remember first downloading EWR at like the 2.0 stage and clicking the link on his site and signing up at EWB... Those were the days..

MrKain

01-05-2007, 07:57 AM

Here we go changing the subject AGAIN. For this topic I refer to this: http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/356393

Now. Back to the topic... I don't think I'm the biggest person working with Japanese feds, but I think that most of the common guys should be in the feds they're in, gaijin or not, just because they tour often.

parkerUK

01-05-2007, 08:08 AM

Commmmeee Onnnnn This Has To Be Released Its Driving Me Insane Not Being Able To Play The Game

travislee

01-05-2007, 08:28 AM

That site is basically run by people comparable to Hitler. You can't say anything that the moderators and admins don't agree with. Generally, they are VERY anti-american too, so if you are an American, you'll be banned likely. You're not missing much by not being on EWB. I'd say these forums are much better and professional. I'm glad the official forums are here and not over at EWB.

I think the forums were switched one time to another website and the EWB admins had temper tantrums until he came back. It was really embarassing to say the least.

EWB was always kind of ridiculous. I was never a regular there, but on EWE. Do you remember EWE? I remember board wars between the two... What a great time in my youth, haha.

HugeRockStar760

01-05-2007, 09:04 AM

EWB was always kind of ridiculous. I was never a regular there, but on EWE. Do you remember EWE? I remember board wars between the two... What a great time in my youth, haha.

Yeah, I remember EWE. I could care less which site was better. I just wanted good conversation and to read other poster's booking styles. Instead, the egoes and low self esteem complexes that the EWB admins had ruined those forums and other forums as well because they'd send spammers over to disrupt everything.

The other strange thing about EWB is that it doesn't matter if your show made absolutely no sense. As long as you had TONS of writing, all of a sudden it is "quality." Javert, for instance, perhaps the most overrated "diary" writer, wrote a lot of unnecessary writing. The only thing that matter is the booking, not an entire play by play of an imaginary match.

panix04

01-05-2007, 09:12 AM

come on people, lets keep the thread on topic, don't get me wrong it is interesting to hear about the political carry-on on the old boards but please make a thread about it in the off-topic section (the dog pound) rather than posting on this thread about the T-Zone mod.

skillz17

01-05-2007, 11:24 AM

any news on this mod?

jimmy_shakerz

01-05-2007, 12:48 PM

Quick question...

Is there gonna be any roster split data coming with the game for people who wants to play only Raw, smackdown or ECW ?

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 12:56 PM

Benneto

01-05-2007, 01:06 PM

ohhhh nearly end of the week cant wait for this mod to be finished any one know the exact date it will be out

MrKain

01-05-2007, 01:10 PM

No one knows yet, but believe me, you're in the huge pile of people that are peeing their pants for it.

Um... yeah... can you tell them all to move over to THAT corner? It's starting to smell a bit.

Benneto

01-05-2007, 01:15 PM

haha i cant wait i aint played TEW since Rave X were around lol

Steam☆Odin

01-05-2007, 01:18 PM

I think once this mod is finished... it should be delayed for no real reason... that stratagy works for Rockstar North.

forlan

01-05-2007, 01:24 PM

Looking liek at least another week before a release, been busy with uni, revisin for an exam on the 15th and also got couple things left to do in portfolio for this tuesday

MrKain

01-05-2007, 01:35 PM

I think once this mod is finished... it should be delayed for no real reason... that stratagy works for Rockstar North.

And then I will cry. I hate when companies do that. I REALLY hate it. I also hate when they give a store a street release date, then send the game/movie to the store a week and a half in advance. Then your'e forced to see it backstage but you can't have it.

That's not nice at all.

Don't be mean to us forlan... We've been kind in our drooling. Heck, I even mopped up last night. And the stuff I mopped up was NOT pretty.

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 01:36 PM

Hey Forlan, do you have a New Worker's file yet? If so, how many do you have? I've been working on one pretty much all day while i "watch" TV.

MrKain

01-05-2007, 01:38 PM

You should put a bunch of names from the forums into it. That'd be pretty cool. Then again, we're not that important.

All we do is stand and drool. :(

D16NJD16

01-05-2007, 01:43 PM

As long as you had TONS of writing, all of a sudden it is "quality." Javert, for instance, perhaps the most overrated "diary" writer, wrote a lot of unnecessary writing. The only thing that matter is the booking, not an entire play by play of an imaginary match.

What ever happened to him? I remember searching on google for maybe an old archieve of his WWF diary but found nothing.

Vladamire Dracos

01-05-2007, 01:44 PM

You should put a bunch of names from the forums into it. That'd be pretty cool. Then again, we're not that important.

All we do is stand and drool. :(

Actually, that'd depend on the person. Ransik, Kass, and a couple of others here are actually trained performers. ;)

Consrvtve

01-05-2007, 01:46 PM

"Looking liek at least another week before a release, been busy with uni, revisin for an exam on the 15th and also got couple things left to do in portfolio for this tuesday"

That saddens me but RL comes first. Thanks for your hard work.

Harmor

01-05-2007, 01:54 PM

Bummer, but perfectly understandable of course. But I am already having a blast with the converted T-Zone 05 I use, so a fine tuned 07 should be quite the show. What is left to do btw Forlan?

skillz17

01-05-2007, 01:58 PM

Bummer, but perfectly understandable of course. But I am already having a blast with the converted T-Zone 05 I use, so a fine tuned 07 should be quite the show. What is left to do btw Forlan?

Did you edit the 05 mod at all? if you did, and it works well could you possibly help me out and send her over if it isnt too much trouble? much appreciated if you can

forlan

01-05-2007, 02:17 PM

Hey Forlan, do you have a New Worker's file yet? If so, how many do you have? I've been working on one pretty much all day while i "watch" TV.

At the moment the following people

Blade Hart
Cael Sanderson
Dallas Hart
James Laurinaitis
Karam Gaber
Leati Anoai
Mohammed Lawal
Vader II
Windham Rotunda

skillz17

01-05-2007, 02:19 PM

what else do you have to complete before its finished?

forlan

01-05-2007, 02:31 PM

updating of bios,stats,contracts and stuff, oh and also alter egos

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 02:45 PM

At the moment the following people

Blade Hart
Cael Sanderson
Dallas Hart
James Laurinaitis
Karam Gaber
Leati Anoai
Mohammed Lawal
Vader II
Windham Rotunda

would you want to use the one I'm working on? At this point I have 69 (thought it would a good place to stop for now, lol)

Anyway, I have all those, and a bunch more... anyway, let me know, and I'll send it to you when I get done with it...

Ransik

01-05-2007, 02:48 PM

Add me in if you want... doesn't really bother me. My last match is in 15 days, so at best I'd be set as a manager or what ever. My back has seen better days and my knees aren't that great either. What's stupid is my knees don't even have a reason to be so weak but even with two sets of kneepads on the general bumping bruises them up purple and black. My back is either herniated discs or something worse... but losing feeling in my shoulders a few times a day is nothing unique. So I'm not sure what my role is going to be after the 20th. I don't even know if I'm dropping my belt or surrendering it after retaining... no one will tell me a thing.

As it pertains to EWB... my ban was due to a mod breaking several rules set in place and I was banned for calling him childish. I don't care who thinks that place is so great... it's pathetic. I spammed them a couple of times a couple years back just to get a rise out of them but ever since an even more childish power structure took place I've left it alone. Nothing but childish minds thinking they're something special for running a message board.

As for T-Zone... this mod might be the only reason I end up buying the game. I've played the demo and I can't see spending $35 on an update of 2005 without a good mod to play and so far I haven't seen one... so if this gets tons of praise I may spend my $35.

Consrvtve

01-05-2007, 02:52 PM

"James Laurinaitis"

As in Animal's Son?

AdmiralZ

01-05-2007, 02:56 PM

What about Nick Hogan, Declan McMahon and Cameron Hickenbottom?

HHUK

01-05-2007, 02:56 PM

Future workers ideas:

Offspring of Chris Benoit:
Daniel Christopher Benoit (Born February 25th 2000)
David Benoit (Not sure)
Megan Benoit (Not sure)
The last two are older.

Offspring of Eddie Guerrero:
Shaul, 14, Sherilyn, 9, and Kaylie Marie, 3. (Ages taken from the end of 2005)

Offspring of Mark Calloway:
Chasey Calloway (Born 2002)
Gracie Calloway (Born 2005)
Gunner Calloway (Not sure)
Gunner is the eldest.

Offspring of Brock Lesnar:
Mya Lynn Lesnar (Born April 10, 2002)

Offspring of Kurt Angle:
Kyra Angle (Born December 2, 2002)
Kody Angle (Born October 26, 2006)

Offspring of Triple H:
Aurora Rose Levesque (Born July 24, 2006)

Offspring of Al Snow:
Jake (Not sure)
Brittany (Not sure)

Offspring of Vampiro:
Dasha Hodgekinson (Not sure)

Offspring of Goldberg:
Gage A.J. Goldberg (May 10, 2006)

Considering they have so much testosterone, wrestlers have a surprising amount of daughters rather than sons. :(

Sensai of Mattitude

01-05-2007, 03:04 PM

How about Eddie Guerrero's three daughters, Shaul (born 1991), Sherilyn (born 1996) and Kaylie Marie (born 2002)?

EDIT: Didn't realize that they had been mentioned.

Harmor

01-05-2007, 03:06 PM

@ skillz17 .. All I did was convert the data and that about does it. I didn't really edit a whole lot tbh, cause first of all I am german so I don't really get to see a whole lot of US indies, except for what you can find on the net, and we're missing something like the Wrestling Channel here badly. So if I was to alter stats etc it would simply not be correct for the majority of the workers.

So in short, no, I haven't edited one bit. I would say straight converting of data works soso, what I don't get however is this:

If a worker has E+ overness somewhere, but his entertainment skills are B/B+, how come those angles (mainstream being key feature) still don't score higher than E/D- at times (momentum being fairly ok) - I mean, he should be able to get the crowd to rally behind him fairly well, no? Is this related to the converted data not being properly adjusted or is it something with the game?

HardcoreIcon87

01-05-2007, 03:08 PM

Forlan if you would like, I could do the alter egos...just to help you put. PM me if you want the help.

Sensai of Mattitude

01-05-2007, 03:12 PM

Also, Declan McMahon (son o Shane 'O, born February 19th 2004) should probably be included, since it's almost guarrenteed that he'll play some part in the WWE in future years.

D16NJD16

01-05-2007, 03:23 PM

Da Clan Mc Man...thats awesome~!

forlan

01-05-2007, 03:30 PM

So i take it people want the game to take even longer by asking me to add children that will only really appear if you play like 20 years game time and such.

As for Fenoli, i would take you up on your offer but it'd be useless, as protege and blood relative as well as gimmick would all by synced up to FORC and the people would have to be totally remade.

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 03:31 PM

As for Fenoli, i would take you up on your offer but it'd be useless, as protege and blood relative as well as gimmick would all by synced up to FORC and the people would have to be totally remade.

well, I can send it to you, and see if they're still synced up... just for $#its and giggles, as we say... :D

forlan

01-05-2007, 03:32 PM

ok, send away

kevel33

01-05-2007, 03:35 PM

So ?????, So are 80 percent of both TNA and WWE but you still want every one in the game regardless of how excellent or **** they are....Daizee deserves to be in just as much as the pensioner Ric Flair. Because unlike you assume she is not sh ite....enuff said.

well pete never said she shouldnt be in the game he just said she wasent a good wrestler.

Dyn-

01-05-2007, 03:36 PM

As for new workers I wouldn't mind people in the next year or 2. New workers 10 years from now seem a little useless imo.

kevel33

01-05-2007, 03:39 PM

it takes like 20 seconds to do a quick add for a future worker.

djthefunkchris

01-05-2007, 03:51 PM

Only if you have them memorized (birthdays and such). If your just throwing something together, yeah, no problem. However, if your trying to at least get some of it kind of accurate, you will take more then 20 seconds a person (over time). Just clicking from one screen to the other, or hitting enter is a couple of seconds.

SO lets say you have 50 new workers you want in, I say that would probably take an hour or so, IF you have all the information you need in front of you.

However, when you have stuff like, "Such and such is 3, the other is 5, but the first one is oldest (I don't know his age)." Then you have to do the research part of it, which can take up to 30 minutes sometimes per person...

So now if only 10 out of the 50 are something you need to research, your time has increased up to another 8 hours or more.

Other things can complicate it as well. Most the people making real mods, really do want to get things as accurate as possible, so asking them to just "quick add" a real person, even one that's not grown up yet, is hard for them to do. They want to know, is their birthday in april, or june? Etc.

I'm not knocking the addition of future worker's or not, but I think sometimes people in haste and excitement sometime's forget the hard work (and how close they make it to real life) that is done for any part of this type of mod.

Just try doing one fed you think you really know (if you never done a mod before). All the backstage hands, "Doink the clown" type things going on that you NEVER see unless you been to a show live. Not just the Commentator's and wrestlers, but the actual booker's, the road agents, the writers, etc.

varney

01-05-2007, 03:52 PM

aslong as larry sweeney has 99 charisma ill be happy

Dyn-

01-05-2007, 03:55 PM

By 99 I hope you mean 100, then yes I agree.

TheEdgeOfReason

01-05-2007, 04:08 PM

Ransik, just wondering what's your ring name and who do you work for?

forlan

01-05-2007, 04:16 PM

Simon Starr ETWA last i hear, although he changed it to something similar to AJ Styles but he changed it that much he might as well be called X

forlan

01-05-2007, 04:28 PM

well after getting fenolis new workers file the fact hes done it with other data kinds screws it up unless you want Alexandra Hart related to Kamala and the protege of Lobo haha

varney

01-05-2007, 04:37 PM

lets not get crazy here with kids and protege's, people can edit and add stuff as they go along

Goldenskillz

01-05-2007, 04:46 PM

All that really matters is the first release being polished but almost complete, things like Relationships and future workers can come in when the mod has been released if some one wants really wants to.

Ransik

01-05-2007, 05:22 PM

I had changed it to AJ Storm, as AJ are my initials and Storm was more or less a tribute to Lance Storm who is my favorite technical wrestler of all time. I found out a few weeks later though that "AJ Storm" was/is used by a guy in New Hampshire so I just changed it to "AJ Starr."

TsuMirren

01-05-2007, 05:24 PM

Don't forget to delete 1PW and close the FWA Academy. Sloan actually has the FWA Academy ring and entire setup for sale on ebay soon, includes matting, advertising boards the lot. As for 1PW, dear oh dear oh dear!

forlan

01-05-2007, 05:30 PM

I hated hearing months ago that FWA Academy was closing ive got some of their DVD's and love their action, much better than FWA proper too, thatll be closing too soon enough.

And as for 1PW Gauntley had it coming for a long time, low life sleaze.

fusionfreak

01-05-2007, 05:33 PM

AdmiralZ

01-05-2007, 05:50 PM

Nah but it's cool to have the kids of some of the stars to use once they've retired.

HHUK

01-05-2007, 05:52 PM

If you need a new English fed to add to replace any removed ones, here's a brilliant one:

http://www.futurewrestling.co.uk/

They've used Jonny Storm in the past and have Doug Williams appearing soon. They're on the same level as K-Star wrestling, they used to use a few of the same wrestlers if I remember.

Spud used to be a regular fixture (I walked past him outside the venue once, he was so short, it's the smoking that stunts your growth apparently. ;)) but he left to goto FWA, he's quite an egomaniac I've heard.

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 05:54 PM

Personally I could care less about future workers unless its someone that we know for sure (100%) has a strong interest in becoming a wrestler. A kid that's 3 or 5 or 8 might say they want to be a wrestler because Mom or Dad is but they may end up not putting in the work to do so. Or maybe they become teenagers and decide that wrestling isn't cool but acting or music or football is. Or maybe they decide they want to be a doctor or lawyer. I'm going to erase all of the new workers anyway. I would imagine that adding new workers is probably going to take 1 to 5 days to put it all together. If someone debuts in the wrestling world next week in the indy scene then just create them, import and add relationships. If you get 20 years in the game and decide that you think Chris Benoit's sun should be a wrestler then create him and make him a wrestler. Oh well, that's just my take on it. Just trying to save time on something that doesn't seem important or realistic but if its done then thanks anyway and I appriciate the work.

Well, the way I've been doing mine, is randomly choosing wrestlers kids (or making them up) and then randomly deciding if they're good enough. Then I've also randomly chose people from other professions, like Demeco Ryans from the Houston Texans of teh NFL, or Justin Kordsmeier who was a center on the Washington st. Basketball team, but wasnt very good... Then I've also been creating some totally fake guys, and randomly choosing if they will be good as well. All, pretty much random, like real life....

Sorry to hear it didnt work for ya Forlan. If you want, I could finish it up, then right before the release I could go through using the TZone worker's data and make the relationships.... Got time to do stuff like this, screen mods, etc, since 1RC is now on hold for a long while...

forlan

01-05-2007, 06:03 PM

If i add another promotion for release itll be 3CW which operates in Billingham and Northallerton and such.

forlan

01-05-2007, 06:03 PM

Well, the way I've been doing mine, is randomly choosing wrestlers kids (or making them up) and then randomly deciding if they're good enough. Then I've also randomly chose people from other professions, like Demeco Ryans from the Houston Texans of teh NFL, or Justin Kordsmeier who was a center on the Washington st. Basketball team, but wasnt very good... Then I've also been creating some totally fake guys, and randomly choosing if they will be good as well. All, pretty much random, like real life....

Sorry to hear it didnt work for ya Forlan. If you want, I could finish it up, then right before the release I could go through using the TZone worker's data and make the relationships.... Got time to do stuff like this, screen mods, etc, since 1RC is now on hold for a long while...

Yeah thatd be good :)

skillz17

01-05-2007, 06:07 PM

ahhh i really want this to be done lol

Harmor

01-05-2007, 06:16 PM

Forlan, ever considered releasing a public beta? :p .. just asking .. or is it not playable just yet?

forlan

01-05-2007, 06:18 PM

I wont release no public beta as it is not a true reflection of the final data plus people would just complain that X wasnt at Y promotion etc even though the fact its a beta means that its not the final data.

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 07:03 PM

Hey Forlan, are you using KyKy for your pics? Or are you even releasing a pic pack?

The-619

01-05-2007, 07:16 PM

I can't wait for this, hopefully only a week to go or so

forlan

01-05-2007, 07:16 PM

I think i already adressed this question, its synched up to kyky, previous packs from me and many of the newer workers will have pictures released with the data yes

HardcoreIcon87

01-05-2007, 07:22 PM

No doubt this is one of the most highly wanted mods right now. Waiting one more week shouldn't hurt.

Johnny Fenoli

01-05-2007, 08:36 PM

I think i already adressed this question, its synched up to kyky, previous packs from me and many of the newer workers will have pictures released with the data yes

lol, oh sorry....

I was just asking cause I was cutting pics of the new workers, complete with generics for the people we have NO IDEA what they would look like...

The Stallion

01-06-2007, 06:38 AM

Just have a question about User Characters. Are we going to be able to play as, say, Jeff Jarrett as the head booker for TNA (or Vince Russo for that matter), or Stephene McMahon the head booker of Smackdown and so on and so forth?

forlan

01-06-2007, 09:22 AM

If you choose to make that person a user character then yes, but if those were made user characters it would mean if you played as jarrett, steph et al wouldnt appear in the game at all.

varney

01-06-2007, 09:34 AM

Eta

Consrvtve

01-06-2007, 09:36 AM

He already said a week

HardcoreIcon87

01-06-2007, 10:00 AM

You have to bare with most of the retarded people that keep bugging for it. They all don't exactly read what people put about releases. I will agree I want this mod more then any other one. But, waiting it waiting and it doesn't kill you if you actually have a life.

Sensai of Mattitude

01-06-2007, 11:24 AM

HardcoreIcon87

01-06-2007, 12:56 PM

I really don't see the point in Alter Egos...personally...if you want to know who they were go to OWW.com and find out. I think its just a space taker. But that's my opinion

MrKain

01-06-2007, 01:15 PM

Need I go an put the "Derailed" video here again?

*sigh*

Stop arguing and let the man continue. Alter Egos are useful, really, because then you can bring back old characters that you remember (Personally, Isaac Yankem is making a comeback!)

He wants his mod to be as complete as possible. And I applaud him for that. Even if it means I won't be playing TEW for a whole week, I'm sure that I will be happy with all the work he's put into it.

Besides, if you're sooooo expectant, just remember that he's doing this for FREE, and using HIS SPARE TIME to do it. I don't see you doing that, let alone for other people.

In my book, forlan is cool. This thread is cool. This mod is cool.

Let's keep it that way. Eh?

Sensai of Mattitude

01-06-2007, 01:17 PM

I agree entirely with the above post. This thread should be for discussion about the mod, not pages and pages of arguing on when you want the mod to be released.

varney

01-06-2007, 01:31 PM

Green Lantern better be in the game

HugeRockStar760

01-06-2007, 01:36 PM

Maybe some people should stop complaining and consider how hard it would be to make a mod. forlan could easily release a half finished mod now, yet he'd still get complaints. "Whaa, this title history isn't complete, there's no alter egos, so-and-so doesn't have a picture". Why don't you actually let him get the mod finished before you start complaining? He could easily say, "**** you guys, I'm not releasing this mod, I'll just keep it for my own pleasure". Stop being selfish, and be thankful that anyone is actually putting any of their spare time towards you.

To be fair, though, most of what is left is stuff that can be done by the end user. I haven't bought TEW2007 yet because there is no mod for the current wrestling world out.

It'd be nice to have something out. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is possible to edit data during the game, no?

forlan

01-06-2007, 01:37 PM

Im busy with uni stuff so the mod really is only an hour or two a day at the moment, after my exam in a couple weeks ill be able to dedicate all my time to the mod if its not out by then.

Sensai of Mattitude

01-06-2007, 01:40 PM

To be fair, though, most of what is left is stuff that can be done by the end user.

Yes, but let's face it, not everybody is going to be as grateful as you that you've got a base to work of in the first place.

HugeRockStar760

01-06-2007, 01:47 PM

Yes, but let's face it, not everybody is going to be as grateful as you that you've got a base to work of in the first place.

Then he should just ignore those losers. Whatever is left looks mostly like it can be done by the user. For instance, title histories is something I could do. The information is out there on many websites for most if not all promotions.

I just don't feel like buy TEW 2007 without something...While the fictional database is impressive, it is not something that would keep me interested long.

So if Forlan were to consider sending what he has to me, I could at least have something so I can see if the stats are what I think they should be, and other various edits.

ROH=CE

01-06-2007, 01:47 PM

I agree about alter-egos, that is one thing I been really been waiting for in a mod and they defiantly can be useful. Indy stars you don't know under their real name and other wrestlers you don't know under their real name can be found under the alter egos.

Just take your time, even though my diary and mod will be on hold until this is done, I rather play a complete and excellent game then a good game filled with empty spaces.

The Stallion

01-06-2007, 01:55 PM

If you choose to make that person a user character then yes, but if those were made user characters it would mean if you played as jarrett, steph et al wouldnt appear in the game at all.

Now I have not had a whole lot of time with the game (I just have a hard time getting into C-Verse-sorry Adam), but does that mean we can just select someone and make them a user character? Or do we have to go in and create the whole character and then delete them from the database so we dont have 2 Jeff Jarretts (lord forbid!)

By the way Forlan, thank you very much for putting all this effort into this mod for us. Also dont go to hard on all the guys who keep asking for the release of this mod (this goes out to everybody), we are al just anxiously awaiting the opportunity to play with the sure to be great mod. You all know damn well that everyday you check the Greydog TEW07 Mod section in hopes of seeing T-Zone 07 Released. Just cut these guys some slack and know that we all cant wait to play this mod you are working so hard on for us. Thanks again Forlan!

Harmor

01-06-2007, 02:04 PM

Maybe some people should stop complaining and consider how hard it would be to make a mod. forlan could easily release a half finished mod now, yet he'd still get complaints. "Whaa, this title history isn't complete, there's no alter egos, so-and-so doesn't have a picture". Why don't you actually let him get the mod finished before you start complaining? He could easily say, "**** you guys, I'm not releasing this mod, I'll just keep it for my own pleasure". Stop being selfish, and be thankful that anyone is actually putting any of their spare time towards you.

Fully agree with you Sensai. It is also a little about pride I think. I was in a similar situation when I was in this band a few years ago - when we recorded the album, ppl would poke me all the time if they could maybe listen to one of the rough mixes ... right. Not going to happen.

I mean, I wouldn't mind a beta to play, would deffo be better than the simple converted data I got, but I reckon, from what Forlan and others said, not enough ppl who are waiting for this mod to come out understand the concept of a beta to begin with, so I will patiently wait for Forlan to finish this.

forlan

01-06-2007, 02:13 PM

Just a note from things i am noticing, people seem to be perceiving alter egos in the wrong way.

Alter Egos are one per person per promotion maximum, so you cant really have Isaac Yankem for example because Glenn JAcobs' WWE alter ego would be Kane. And the indy stars wont need alter egos as Homicide for example works the same everywhere so is real name would have nowhere to go in the game, alter ego or otherwise, hope you understand.

HugeRockStar760

01-06-2007, 02:18 PM

HardcoreIcon87

01-06-2007, 02:33 PM

Rams

01-06-2007, 02:36 PM

Eh...I still think a lot of what is left are things the end user can just do. That's why I think an "as is" version would be nice. If they have complaints, as Snitsky says, it's not your fault, it's theirs.

It's a week or so away. I want it as much as the next guy but releasing a beta version now would only slow down the process.

HugeRockStar760

01-06-2007, 02:39 PM

It's a week or so away. I want it as much as the next guy but releasing a beta version now would only slow down the process.

Actually, it might be the opposite. This way he'd have a few people testing what has been done and what needs to be improved before people complain when it is released.

Sensai of Mattitude

01-06-2007, 02:40 PM

Will you be including alter egos for people like, say, Christian Cage? Just so that he'll be renamed Christian if he's ever picked up by WWE in the game.

Rams

01-06-2007, 02:41 PM

Forlan just wants to put A+ work into this. But, I still think people will bitch and complain once its out...they will be like "SO AND SO ARE MISSING ADD THEM PLEASE" Why can't they do it themselves? But, Forlan is putting hard work into this even with his tight schedule. So, most of the people should thank him before he even releases it.

You can't please everyone. The important thing is that Forlan is satisfied with his work.

Personally I can't wait for it to come out and greatly appreciate the hard work Forlan is doing.

forlan

01-06-2007, 02:42 PM

Like i said, i already have some people that get copies of the data at various stages, end of story.

MrKain

01-06-2007, 02:42 PM

Where does that mean I won't be able to bring back Isaac Yankem? Damn straight he's going to be Yankem no matter what you say! :)

Just because the character was sooooo stupid, and since Kane (a very good character) is being treated like Jobber of the Year, he might as well go back to a ****ty gimmick.

Rams

01-06-2007, 02:43 PM

Will you be including alter egos for people like, say, Christian Cage? Just so that he'll be renamed Christian if he's ever picked up by the in the game.

I think it would be the other way around. The Christian name is owned by the WWE. Therefore his alter ego would be as Christian in the WWE only.

Edit: Disregard. I misunderstood your post due to the typo.

Sensai of Mattitude

01-06-2007, 02:44 PM

I think it would be the other way around. The Christian name is owned by the WWE. Therefore his alter ego would be as Christian in the WWE only.

That's what I meant, including a 'Christian' alter ego for Christian Cage so that if he's ever hired by WWE he'll be renamed Christian.

D16NJD16

01-06-2007, 02:46 PM

No matter how good the mod is, and I hope it will be, there will be people who have suggestions and corrections, as they should. 100 set of eyes are better then a few. So I don't see a reason either that the process of that should be slowed down a week.

MrKain

01-06-2007, 02:50 PM

forlan

01-06-2007, 02:53 PM

exactly MrKain

D16NJD16

01-06-2007, 02:56 PM

But the thing is that he doesn't feel like it's done, yet. I'm sure he'll be happy to hear the suggestions AFTER he feels its done, rather than know that it ISN'T done, and having people get on him for it. You know?

Yeah. It's just too bad if people take suggestions and corrections are "getting on" someone. From everything I've seen that's not the case.

MrKain

01-06-2007, 03:15 PM

"Getting on" someone is when they're giving him pointers on something he already knows is a problem. Why would he want to give you something with stuff that he knows are problems? For that matter, if you already knew something was wrong, would you want to give that to someone just so they can toss the exact thing you know is wrong right back in your face?

I wouldn't.

I understand you want it now, hell, I want it now. But I don't want to have to have something to complain about that is blatant enough for him to know about. At the same time, I don't think you do either. Just because it's constructive criticism doesn't always mean it's welcome criticism. Besides, most of the people who will criticise will not fix the problem themselves and help out by giving him their info, they'll just complain and wait for a fix.

Even Adam Ryland himself goes through this type of criticism a LOT. I'm not technically able to help fix things, and I don't want to complain about a problem unless it's REALLY a problem, and it's REALLY something they never noticed.

Goldenskillz

01-06-2007, 03:40 PM

Just a quick question regarding data, sorry if its been posted but i cant read through 26 pages...is british wrestling in the data and wrestlers like Sheamus O'Shaunessy.

The Stallion

01-06-2007, 03:56 PM

Now I have not had a whole lot of time with the game (I just have a hard time getting into C-Verse-sorry Adam), but does that mean we can just select someone and make them a user character? Or do we have to go in and create the whole character and then delete them from the database so we dont have 2 Jeff Jarretts (lord forbid!)

By the way Forlan, thank you very much for putting all this effort into this mod for us. Also dont go to hard on all the guys who keep asking for the release of this mod (this goes out to everybody), we are al just anxiously awaiting the opportunity to play with the sure to be great mod. You all know damn well that everyday you check the Greydog TEW07 Mod section in hopes of seeing T-Zone 07 Released. Just cut these guys some slack and know that we all cant wait to play this mod you are working so hard on for us. Thanks again Forlan!

Just wanted to re-up this question as I think it was missed.

forlan

01-06-2007, 04:07 PM

Have to create from scracth

Sensai of Mattitude

01-06-2007, 04:21 PM

I wouldn't imagine that would be too hard - you could just take a few screencaps of his stats, copy them into a word document then duplicate the worker manually as a user character using the original data.

Horizon

01-06-2007, 05:34 PM

Can't wait for this, seriously.

Gonna be great :D

HugeRockStar760

01-06-2007, 08:51 PM

exactly MrKain

It's unfortunate, though. I decided to buy the game anyways. I downloaded a converted file but that probably isn't the same. It'd be nice to use a TEW07 file and make any edits necessary from that file, instead of a converted file...Unless there is no differences.

forlan

01-06-2007, 09:03 PM

If there were no differences, i would of released, there is a heck of a lot of work from a converted database

Harmor

01-06-2007, 09:45 PM

Yup, no kidding Forlan .. I have tried adjusting your T-Zone 05 mod to 2007 and basically gave up, scrapping all my changes. Major kudos to ya for sticking to it and making this happen, and especially big thanks for sharing with all of us.

There is one thing I am curious about as I am sure you had test runs in the meantime .. I am playing a 2 player game with the data I converted and its not really giving a lot of satisfying results .. I have yet to see even an AI fed, whatever level it may be on, do better than a C+ show .. can you tell a little how things go with your updated mod?

The Stallion

01-06-2007, 09:52 PM

Dont forget, this game is DESIGNED to be harder to get those B - A+ shows everybody was knocking out left and right after just a few shows. With the whole new "Perfect Show" therory where you have to take the crowd threw highs and lows it makes it harder to get those high scores. If you compare that to most wrestling shows today and if look really hard at yur favorite promotion, try giving even the best cards that thy have had anything over a B (certainly the WWE has not done very many C+ shows in recent memory, and the PPV' are at the most C-). Its not going to be a easy time getting those ratings again, but therein lies the challange and I cant wait for it (I know that there are gramatical errors and misspellings in this but it is late and I am getting ready to watch Impact - most likly a C show tonight:D )

Harmor

01-06-2007, 09:58 PM

LOL! I understand where you're coming from of course, but it surely will be quite a challenge for the perfect show theory to stand when the dataset you're using is nothing but a clusterf***.

Rams

01-06-2007, 10:00 PM

Harmor

01-06-2007, 10:19 PM

True enough. It is something you have to get used to at first for sure. But yah, some things are just weird when I compare the converted real life data I use to my humble attempts at getting accustomed to the Cornellverse (which, sadly, I cannot get into although I tried).

For example, I had no trouble doing C+ or better shows with TCW using the Cornellverse, but didn't manage to go over D shows with WWE in my T-Zone 05-->07 set (1RC being even slightly worse actually), which is why I was asking Forlan if he could tell a little bit of his testing experiences with his new mod.

I also found it fairly funny that when I didn't change gimmicks after converting the data, everybody from Team Canada in TNA would use a Failed Ballerina gimmick ... :p

Another thing I would like to know if you will keep regular 1v1 match ups at 3 minutes non wrestling time and minimum 5 minutes in ring time or if you will go back to what it was in TEW 05 (2 mins/1 min).

D16NJD16

01-06-2007, 10:27 PM

MrKain

01-06-2007, 10:30 PM

Yeah, that's one thing I really didn't like about the new setup... the whole deal with not being able to put on a good show to save your life annoys me.

*sigh*

Goldenskillz

01-06-2007, 10:49 PM

That aint true, if i can pull off a B+ show with my Cult fed, it can be done. You gotta have the right product set up for your booking style, and the right stars.

bjo313

01-06-2007, 10:51 PM

Maybe there just shouldn't be many over C+ shows booked by the AI in reality though. Other then Ring of Honor, which promotion is consistantly putting on good shows? Or good shows at all? If there were such an abundence of good to great shows all around, wrestling wouldn't be as stagnant as it is right now.

CHIKARA and IWA-MS(so i hear) and the smaller 2CW in Upstate NY all put on good shows at a pretty consistent rate.

still not a lot of places though.

Roberto

01-07-2007, 01:31 AM

There are reliable reports that 1PW in the UK has gone into liquidation.

This will be relevant to the makers of current data mods.

gingarob

01-07-2007, 04:36 AM

Yeah, 1PW is no more.

Also, TNA has cancelled their second show, Xplosion so you may want to take that into account.

TsuMirren

01-07-2007, 06:24 AM

Any chance of you adding Ricky Knight's WAW promotion?

fordc76

01-07-2007, 08:45 AM

Any chance of you adding Ricky Knight's WAW promotion?

I agree with this as most updates I played last time had the UK Pitbulls (Big Dave & Bulk) in it but no WAW who trained them!

Seen a few updates with Sweet Saraya, Ricky Knight (owners) and The Zebra Kid in who are also involved in WAW.

forlan

01-07-2007, 10:14 AM

From testing, TNA Impact pulled a B in the same week as RAW pulled a C+ and Smackdown pulled a B-. Many promotions ar epulling C-C+ at the moment with D's and such the further down the indy scale you go.

AI booking seems fairly decent too, Angle v Joe main evented impact for example.

One thing i cant really stop as i dont know how is WWE canning many staff members then signing a lot of the indy darlings like Alex Shelley, Austin Aries, AJ styles and such to fill out the brands, although in most cases they sign them on PPA's so they can still work elsewhere too, kind of strange.

HardcoreIcon87

01-07-2007, 10:20 AM

That is strange but as long as you can sign them for another promotion, cause TNA and ROH would get hit hard cause WWE is scooping up all the indy wrestlers.

Harmor

01-07-2007, 10:43 AM

Oh so in 07 workers will actually sign a ppa deal with global feds?

forlan

01-07-2007, 10:47 AM

seems so

The Stallion

01-07-2007, 10:59 AM

Will the likes of AJ work for both TNA & the WWE if they are at war?

forlan

01-07-2007, 11:01 AM

Wouldnt know since they arent at war in the game because they arent in real life, as much as TNA would like to think they are WWE dont acknowledge them

Harmor

01-07-2007, 11:10 AM

Good decision to not have them be at war. TNA has a long way to go still ... what level did you set them to? Cult?

MrKain

01-07-2007, 11:10 AM

although in most cases they sign them on PPA's so they can still work elsewhere too, kind of strange.

When their popularity is too far down the list, and they're already signed to a PPA, WWE will sign them to a PPA to steal their popularity from the other companies. Since TNA is on a PPA agreement, and the WWE doesn't want to pay more for them, they signed them to a PPA agreement, and try to ruin their careers.

It did that in '04 and '05, too. Pain in the ass, that WWE.

The Stallion

01-07-2007, 11:15 AM

Wouldnt know since they arent at war in the game because they arent in real life, as much as TNA would like to think they are WWE dont acknowledge them

I see this as a possible problem then. It could happen that AJ (for example), could end up working on Raw and then on Impact that same week.

HardcoreIcon87

01-07-2007, 11:21 AM

It's funny really cause in real life Styles won't even work for WWE, but can you blame him. WWE would ruin him and use him for a jobber against no bodies like that new Russian Guy they are trying to push or against Rob Conway that is stuck being Buff Bagwell

forlan

01-07-2007, 11:24 AM

I see this as a possible problem then. It could happen that AJ (for example), could end up working on Raw and then on Impact that same week.

Since they are both taped on the same day he couldnt :p

misfit103

01-07-2007, 11:24 AM

Sigh. The whole point of 'at war' in TEW is so that workers work for one promotion at a time. In reality, they can't work for TNA and WWE, unless they're both using them for one appearance. Therefore, as much as the companies aren't officially 'at war', it still applies in the game.

MrKain

01-07-2007, 11:29 AM

This is true, forlan. Not trying to sound like an ass, but WWE will not hire wrestlers that are on a rival televised company. Neither will TNA, even if the wrestlers were on PPA contracts.

So indirectly, they're at war. Just because they aren't at ratings war, or personal war, doesn't mean they aren't at war.

gingarob

01-07-2007, 11:30 AM

forlan

01-07-2007, 11:32 AM

Well you could either have this or WWE will just snap them all up and TNA will be left with a shell of a roster and die?

Now i hate TNA so id be happy with that

forlan

01-07-2007, 11:32 AM

But that's the whole point, they're not. Raw is taped on a Monday whereas iMPACT! is taped on a Tuesday.

Its been months since impact was taped ona tuesday, since about Nov. its been taped two episodes on a monday every two weeks

gingarob

01-07-2007, 11:35 AM

Its been months since impact was taped ona tuesday, since about Nov. its been taped two episodes on a monday every two weeks

Oh, my bad :(

misfit103

01-07-2007, 11:37 AM

Well you could either have this or WWE will just snap them all up and TNA will be left with a shell of a roster and die?

Now i hate TNA so id be happy with that

That makes sense. I've never had a company try to sign my workers from under me while at war, but I've onlyplayed the demo for 07.

Goldenskillz

01-07-2007, 11:37 AM

If people feel that strong about the whole WAR pact, then forlan can put whatever way he feels and people can change it in game to meet their prefernce....changing one little pact in the editor wont kill ya people.

Carter

01-07-2007, 11:37 AM

It is a problem with mods where as TNA will be nicked of alot of talent, which in real life is not the case. The only way I can see of changing this is changing to written contracts for the people like Joe and Killings ect. ect. and/or loyalty to TNA.

gingarob

01-07-2007, 11:39 AM

That makes sense. I've never had a company try to sign my workers from under me while at war, but I've onlyplayed the demo for 07.

On 05 (using FOTORC) I've had WWE swoop in and sign my most over guys (ie. Samoa Joe...who was my champ at the time :mad: ) but on 07 I'm not so sure.

HardcoreIcon87

01-07-2007, 11:39 AM

Forlan, how can you hate TNA...but I feel yeah..TNA has been lacking some things as of late. I wish they would use the X-Division more...but I am happy Lynn is returning to the TNA ring. Joe/Angle fued is good...but what pisses me off. They have been doing main events for two PPV's the same...I hate Abyss and I with Christian was World Champion again. AND I WANT TO SEE MORE ALEX SHELLEY AND JAY LETHAL! :D

forlan

01-07-2007, 11:44 AM

Sensai of Mattitude

01-07-2007, 11:46 AM

TNA's booking has been absolutely awful lately. Having the World title switch hands at a PPV by disqualification? I could understand if it were a lower card title, but the World frickin' title changing hands by DQ at a big event is ridiculous. What makes it even worseis that days before, Abyss had done the job to Kurt Angle on his debut, which didn't even have any relevance to either storyline - if you want Kurt to go over, why have him go over the guy that's gonna win the world title in a few days?

Kurt Angle beating Samoa Joe on their first encounter was retarded. They could of at least built the feud up before they go and make Kurt Angle defeat the most entertaining undefeated streak for years. I would have liked to see them build up to it similar to the Rey Mysterio/Eddie Guerrero storyline, having Kut frustrated that he can't beat Joe.

And don't get me started on VKM... Just because they got primetime, TNA basically think that they own, and go and declare war on one of the most powerful companies in the world. They need to seriously step up before they go to war with WWE, or they'll get crushed.

misfit103

01-07-2007, 11:47 AM

TNA is just as **** as WWE, indies are much better, i have multitudes of indy dvds from all over the world, love them.

Anyhoo, someone suggested written contracts, thats not able to be done since 3/4 of TNA also works at lots of indy promotions

That's the problem with TNA's system when it comes to this game. In reality, the talent is contracted, and TNA books them on indy shows. They aren't allowed to work for any company that has national distribution of DVD's or television, minus CZW and ROH. In the game, that doesn't work so hot.

ACCBiggz

01-07-2007, 11:50 AM

It's really not Forlan. Just my *2 cents*. TNA is unwatchable at times but its due to the writers and storylines that they come up with. Or the WWE jabs that they continue to do, the difference between TNA and WWE is that TNA has some very good matches on a consistent basis. That's their saving grace. WWE is bad on both ends (Although the ladder match at Armageddon was good). I agree that indies are better, but they are more "wrestling" than "sports entertainment" with storylines and writing. I, myself, can't judge them on the same scale because of this. They are different types of promotions, it's like trying to rate NFL, CFL, AFL. Sure they all play football, but they have a lot of different rules that make it difficult to judge them all on one big platau.

jimmy_shakerz

01-07-2007, 12:12 PM

I played a conversion mod and i tryied to do a roster split. Here are the problems

1. Now you can't have more than one parent company. So OVW can't be the development territory of RAW, Smackdown and ECW.

2. The good thing is that you can set the owner to have Small or Medium roster, which allow to have only 30 wrestler in your company while being at Global.

3. They say you don't have enough big names for your size. Maybe the popularity of the worker in this mod were too low but the smaller your roster is, the less big names you have.

Sensai of Mattitude

01-07-2007, 12:16 PM

1. Now you can't have more than one parent company. So OVW can't be the development territory of RAW, Smackdown and ECW.

I'd imagine that, due to us now being able to have three brands, it will all be under one promotion.

forlan

01-07-2007, 12:49 PM

Of course

gingarob

01-07-2007, 04:15 PM

Quick question, I was just wondering about the depth you've gone into regarding the UK Wrestling Scene. How many promotions do you plan on having? And more importantly...what are they?

Rey619

01-07-2007, 05:45 PM

That's the problem with TNA's system when it comes to this game. In reality, the talent is contracted, and TNA books them on indy shows. They aren't allowed to work for any company that has national distribution of DVD's or television, minus CZW and ROH. In the game, that doesn't work so hot.

ROH doesn't have a national deal, it's only available through their webshop. Don't know about CZW's deal though.

MrKain

01-07-2007, 06:24 PM

ROH does have a national deal now. They're available through FYE/Saturday Matinee, and also through Barnes & Noble stores.

bigjabbadudley

01-07-2007, 07:27 PM

looking good forlan, cant wait for this to come out, i finally got the full game today

MrBriggs

01-07-2007, 09:08 PM

MrBriggs

01-07-2007, 09:11 PM

HugeRockStar760

01-07-2007, 09:14 PM

Another thing is, I wish TEW had some kind of match engine like TNM. It really wouldn't be too difficult to code but it seems like Adam doesn't like the idea. It'd be nice if we at least had the option, because I'm sure at least some of us would like to read the match results.

We had a discussion about this on the TNM Forums. Oliver Copp has allowed anyone to use the source code from TNM 6.2. Additionally, Oliver has a lot of experience in the wrestling industry. He would be an invaluable source for wrestling knowledge, especially on the business side.

There's really no excuse to not have a match engine similar to TNM. Unless Adam thinks his customers have short attention spans.

Tree

01-07-2007, 09:43 PM

ROH does have a national deal now. They're available through FYE/Saturday Matinee, and also through Barnes & Noble stores.

no, they don't.

a handful of early shows - clipped versions at that - were put out by the World Wrestling Network through Takedown Masters/Liquid 8 Records, who have/had a distribution deal with Navarre Distribution. the most recent of these was released well over a year ago, and the other two back in 2004.

unless something happened VERY recently, none of the shows from 2003 to the present have been released through any national distribution.

D16NJD16

01-07-2007, 09:53 PM

We had a discussion about this on the TNM Forums. Oliver Copp has allowed anyone to use the source code from TNM 6.2. Additionally, Oliver has a lot of experience in the wrestling industry. He would be an invaluable source for wrestling knowledge, especially on the business side.

There's really no excuse to not have a match engine similar to TNM. Unless Adam thinks his customers have short attention spans.

Well, I remember the explanation simply being "no one reads them and they are a waste". People subsequently disagreed but I guess not enough.

D16NJD16

01-07-2007, 09:55 PM

I'm still very excited about 07, but the thought of WWE signing a bunch of short Indy workers to PPA deals is bugging me. I thought you could edit Vince to only sign big musclebound roid heads?

I wish it wasn't like that, that kills the realism for me.

Yeah it should be something like a popularity limit to who big promotions will sign, and if they sign anyone lower then will 100% of the time go to developmental.

Genadi

01-07-2007, 10:03 PM

Yeah it should be something like a popularity limit to who big promotions will sign, and if they sign anyone lower then will 100% of the time go to developmental.

If they were sent to developmental it would be fairly realistc, as long as Vince fires them 6 months later without being called up :D

MrKain

01-07-2007, 10:19 PM

no, they don't.

a handful of early shows - clipped versions at that - were put out by the World Wrestling Network through Takedown Masters/Liquid 8 Records, who have/had a distribution deal with Navarre Distribution. the most recent of these was released well over a year ago, and the other two back in 2004.

unless something happened VERY recently, none of the shows from 2003 to the present have been released through any national distribution.

Meh... must be because I'm in their home area. I live in Jersey, and I see a lot of their stuff showing up... must be just local distribution. :confused:

Johnny Fenoli

01-07-2007, 11:07 PM

Meh... must be because I'm in their home area. I live in Jersey, and I see a lot of their stuff showing up... must be just local distribution. :confused:

Here in Texas, you very very very very very rarely see any ROH dvds... I think I've seen a couple once at Best Buy...

eric_m_keeley

01-07-2007, 11:23 PM

Here in Texas, you very very very very very rarely see any ROH dvds... I think I've seen a couple once at Best Buy...

I have never seen one. Never heard of them till I visit this website. Then again I wasn't very open to the smaller feds.

MrKain

01-07-2007, 11:36 PM

Here in Texas, you very very very very very rarely see any ROH dvds... I think I've seen a couple once at Best Buy...

Then it must be because of where I live. They have a show near me at least 6-7 times a year. Four in Rahway and then three in Edison. Sorry... derailed the thread again.

Sorry, Forlan. On with the show.

The Stallion

01-08-2007, 05:02 AM

Blasphemywebleed

01-08-2007, 05:12 AM

TNM is a wrestling simulator, im not gonna post the link in case i get into trouble lol, but i had version 6 a while back and its quite poor, i think its on around version 7.2 if you search for TNM simulator on google it will come up but its not really worth it in my opinion. its about $65 dollars as well if i remember rightly

D16NJD16

01-08-2007, 05:22 AM

But thats not really a promoter simulation like TEW is. The only thing it has over TEW is the matches.

Blasphemywebleed

01-08-2007, 05:30 AM

But thats not really a promoter simulation like TEW is. The only thing it has over TEW is the matches.

Yeah sorry i should have said. i mean it would be a decent enough product if they gave you all the plug ins and what not with it but paying $6.90 per plug in is abit harsh.

forlan

01-08-2007, 06:21 AM

TEW doesn't need a matc engine like that as often they are very repetitive and people get sick of them, TEW puts the information you need in front of you and thats fine by me.

bigjabbadudley

01-08-2007, 06:50 AM

gotta agree forlan, where the macth reports where good on EWR they did get tedious and i skipped them 90% of the time, any way, how far are you along with this forlan? if you dont have any scottish feds for us scottish peeps i can do 1-2 of them that are pretty close to where i stay one of them is kinda affiliated with the nwa?

Blasphemywebleed

01-08-2007, 06:55 AM

Yup i agree 100% Forlan. I also think that TEW allows more creativity for the user. I'm looking forward to this mod Forlan, i'm currently making do with my WWE v Cornellverse after importing your 2005 WWE into my default database. I'm not doing too great so far but good news is old man Vince died 6 months into my game and Paul hayman now owns WWE. its one thing overcoming SWF in the cornellverse with TCW but overcoming 2 giants is another. Especially when WWE basically rape the free agents and indys of any decent talent.

Rey619

01-08-2007, 08:00 AM

I always thought TNM > TEW because of the match simulator. I remember the first time I tried EWR, I was so hyped because this game had so much more information, wrestlers and promotion than TNM. I booked a show, then nothing.. I was so bummed out.

Now.. it's the other way around. I even contributed to an excel program that would simulate a promotion's finances in TNM, gave me a much better playing experience. I would quickly scroll through the match simulations and pretty much make up the match recap myself, regardless of what it said. So when TEW 07 came out and I actually played it for several days in a row without getting bored, I was extremely pleased.

I don't really think the match simulator is very repetetive, and it's possibly as realistic as you can get it. But Oliver doesn't work on it much more, and it could really be improved by bringing it to a Windows platform. 65 bucks? I had no idea I had shelled out that much over the years... guess it seems a little less when you spread it out over many years.

OK, sorry to derail the thread even more, but I guess it's better than us nagging about when you're releasing it, right? :D

forlan

01-08-2007, 08:23 AM

Blasphemywebleed

01-08-2007, 08:27 AM

Like i said before i about release, sort of his a birck wall thanks to this Uni portfolio i've gotta do, damn the Harvard Essay System :(

Anyways, Scotland guy, if you want to make a Scottish fed or two then by all means go on and do it :D

I'll do SWA and BCW for you if you like? But i'm not too great on stats and what not. So if I do the basics for the Promotions and workers would you correct the stats and make them more life like? Both are local sized promotions.

forlan

01-08-2007, 08:47 AM

Yeah, no problem, some of their roster may already be in the data, like doesn't Darkside and Wolfgang and possibly Eric Canyon work for at least one of them for starters?

gingarob

01-08-2007, 08:55 AM

Yeah, no problem, some of their roster may already be in the data, like doesn't Darkside and Wolfgang and possibly Eric Canyon work for at least one of them for starters?

Wolfgang and Darkside definately do, as T2K and in singles competition. Not sure about Canyon.

Blasphemywebleed

01-08-2007, 08:57 AM

Yeah all 3 are on the SWA roster. Darkside and Wolfgang are both on BCW roster and I think Canyon has guested there once or twice but isnt officialy asociated with them. Ah well PM me or post here what you would like done with regards to the rosters and i'll do them tonight.

bigjabbadudley

01-08-2007, 09:06 AM

im starting my training with swa in a few weeks w00t, damn you bet me to it Blasphemywebleed, you scottish by any chance and where from?

gingarob

01-08-2007, 09:10 AM

From his Location I'd say Glasgow....

Blasphemywebleed

01-08-2007, 09:13 AM

im starting my training with swa in a few weeks w00t, damn you bet me to it Blasphemywebleed, you scottish by any chance and where from?

I private messaged you, dont wanna clog forlans thread.

forlan

01-08-2007, 09:18 AM

I'll post what i want done in regards to Scotland sometime today once ive got this portfolio and essay out the way

gingarob

01-08-2007, 09:22 AM

Forlan, any word on how many UK promotions you plan on putting into the mod?

forlan

01-08-2007, 09:28 AM

I answered that question about 4 times in this thread already

FWA, IPW:UK, ASW, wZw and posibly adding 3CW, thatll be all for release 1 i think

gingarob

01-08-2007, 09:50 AM

I answered that question about 4 times in this thread already

FWA, IPW:UK, ASW, wZw and posibly adding 3CW, thatll be all for release 1 i think

Ah, sorry - didn't see it. You planning on adding RQW for future released as they're becoming a fairly big player in the UK scene, LDN would also be a worthwhile addition

flamebrain

01-08-2007, 10:47 AM

With SWA MUST come Greenock town hall! The only live wrestling I've yet seen was there, I even saw Earthquake and Yokozuna :) It'd be tiny and definitely no hotspot (unless you count the neds that attend to cause trouble...). Although, in saying that, nobody's come here in a while... :(

Oh and bigjabbadudley, a mate of mine was considering joining their trainnig too. You'll need to let us know how you get on!

forlan

01-08-2007, 11:13 AM

Funny you should mention RQW, just myself booked flights to go down and see their show this friday with the Great MUTA on :D

forlan

01-08-2007, 11:19 AM

Blasphemy this is what id like done if possible

I need the following SWA people made

Abraxas
Adam Shame
Aidan Corrigan
BT Gunn
Cav
Chris Charizma
Chris Renfrew
CJ Hunter
Damien O'Conor
Darren Lewis
Dean Davis
Dr Laandstrom
Draevyn
Falcon
GC Mac
Glen Dunbar
Grant Dunbar
Hatred
Jamie Walker
Johnny Darko
Jonny Milla
Kaos
KG Tyler
Kolobos
Micken
Pete O'Neil
Sabotage
Shiv
Stevie Aaron
The Butcher
William Grange
White Tiger

For BCW I need the following made

Charles Boddington
Brad Fusion
Colossal Powers
Fight Club
Jack Jester
Kolobus
Liam Thompson
Lionheart
Red Lightning
Tex Benedict
Seamous oh Shanusey (sp)

And if you want to note down arenas or whatever for the people then do that too, thanks

TheEdgeOfReason

01-08-2007, 12:08 PM

Just wondering Forlan are you gonna put IWW in the game.

Goldenskillz

01-08-2007, 12:10 PM

Seamous oh Shanusey (sp)

Actually it is spelt Sheamus O'Shaunessy, just letting you know so its spelt right in game.

TheEdgeOfReason

01-08-2007, 12:12 PM

Seamus O'Shaughnessy, SOS the Irish Curse!!!

forlan

01-08-2007, 12:36 PM

I saw him live once, beat D'lo Brown and some other guy for the IWW title at Main Event wrestling in Newcastle.

Since im back on the bio trail for a little bit, here is another couple of teaser bios, you may want them, you may not, im just doing it cos i can XD

"Canadian Dynamite" Maxime Boyer is a trainee of many people including Marc Le Grizzly and Jacques Rougeau who works a style similar to that of Chris Benoit and The Dynamite Kid which earned him the nickname he holds. He wrestles primarily in the Quebec area for many promotions including the International Wrestling Syndicate and also in the North East for CHIKARA. He recently became the CHIKARA Young Lions Cup champion defeating Arik Cannon at Cibernetico Forever.

"Sexy Chucky T" Chuck Taylor is a Mid-West sensation who broke out into the mainstream independent promotions in 2006 and has never looked back since. After only a short time he managed to capture the IWA Mid South World Title and has defended it with pride since. He has also recently began working more in the North East area for promotions including Combat Zone Wrestling and CHIKARA.

"The 8 Bit Lucha" Player Uno is a very interesting character originating in the Quebec region. Trained by Rick Sterling and Tommy Blade he is billed as coming from "Mushroom Kingdom" and his gimmick revolves around video games as evidenced in such moves as The Game Genie, The Bubble Bobble Buster and the Goomba Stomp. He has recently became a fixture on the North East United States scene for CHIKARA where his gimmick fits in perfectly with their over the top antics.

"The Future of the Future of the Sambo Style" Andy Sumner is a graduate of the CZW/CHIKARA wrestle factory. Sumner specialises in several MMA styles, formerly competing in several professional MMA bouts before turning his hand to pro wrestling. Sumner is a well rounded ground worker who still trains week in, week out attempting to better himself in ability in the hope of achieving regular working status in the North-East.

Bryce Remsburg is regarded by many fans and workers within the business as the best referee on the independents today and not many could argue with such a statement. Working all over from Florida to Pennsylvania to Illinois and more he also often is found on commentary offering his opinion on matches. Outside of the ring he is a part of the "Secret Pants" comedy sketch group.

Thers 5 to wet your appetite