T-Zone 2007

[Goldenskillz]

As far as the matches WWE sets up go...does momentum affect how they book. since Genghis Rahn starts with A smthn momentum and he is always fighting (and losing) to Wolf and Tommy Cornell when i start my games but after a few loses he drops back down again.

[Consrvtve]

As a player, if I take WWE and let's say I end up at cult level. I still have what...40 million in the bank so I'm not going out of business anytime soon. Will cult level however keep free agents from signing with me or keep my bigger name guys from re-signing with me?

[D16NJD16]

Judging by the product WWE gives us... maybe they should fall to cult level...

Yeah, but in real life things move much more slower, forward progress and backward progress. Especially declining in popularity is such a long and farther fall as seen by WCW which didnt really start declining in numbers for maybe over a year since their stuff was stale.

[Vladamire Dracos]

Maybe Adam could answer this. Why everytime the WWE falls to Cult level.


Beginning of my game (International Level)
USA : 82
CAN : 63
MEX : 46
UK : 54
JAP : 51

2 Years later (Cult)
USA : 63
CAN : 58
MEX : 44
UK : 16
JAP : 60


Sorry for the double post. And Carlito... what was the problem ?

Looks like the problem is with the Overness of the WWE's wrestlers in Japan. From what you posted, it looks like they're trying to boost their Overness in Japan, but lack the star power and it's hurting the shows. Try running a game with only the US area and I bet they'll stay around the same size.

[forlan]

Where did all this discussion come from, Adam settled it before, people without the data like Shakerz posting irrelevant info doesn't help.

[jimmy_shakerz]

people without the data like Shakerz posting irrelevant info doesn't help.

I never said I had your data but i think it's a general problem that also might happen with your mod.

As for only running shows in the US I was thinking about it too.

[Ransik]

Neither Momentum or Gimmick Rating seem to have any effect on the AI's choice of booking. Viscera almost every time is fighting Cena for the WWE Title at the beginning of test runs but his overness, momentum, gimmcik... none of should make the AI let him anywhere near a Main Event or a WWE Title shot. It just seems to be the way the AI books.

In Montreal Aftermath I have no problem running B+ shows with WCW but in test runs I did with the data before playing it myself... in 6 years neither WCW or WWF put on a show anywhere near a B+ the entire time. The AI just doesn't know how to handle it true to life it seems unless it's the way workers are set up on all mods.

[Caninrok]

Uh,

How often does WWF\E or the old WCW put on great shows in real life? Especially if we're talking about wrestling on TV right now its often utter crap. I mean real life WWE gives us Rosie vs. Donald and the great Kahli. Real life TNA has shots of their annoucers reading scripts on air. Not to mention Christy Hemme crying about Chyna on a PPV. I mean seriously, why should Tenay and West even have jobs? They're terrible. I might be wrong here but maybe the problem with real life mods not being able to simulate reality as perfectly as we'd like is because reality isn't being run in a very good way. If you made a perfectly accurate mod and then tested it by booking exactly like the WWE or TNA books you'd probably be out of business in no time. TNA in real life has ended several employee's benefits like travel and hotel costs. Maybe that's because the terrible business/booking formula they've been using is hurting them.

Also, this is a game after all and its never going to copy real life exactly because the AI personalities are not the same thing as the real life personalities in charge and never could be. That doesn't mean that when you get your mod finished it won't be a great, fun and interesting mod to play. It just means it won't be like watching WWE or TNA television. And frankly, I'm glad for that. If I wanted to see promoters crapping on their fans and making money off it I'd turn on the real thing.

[ACCBiggz]

Uh,

How often does WWF\E or the old WCW put on great shows in real life? Especially if we're talking about wrestling on TV right now its often utter crap. I mean real life WWE gives us Rosie vs. Donald and the great Kahli.

I might be wrong here but maybe the problem with real life mods not being able to simulate reality as perfectly as we'd like is because reality isn't being run in a very good way.

Also, this is a game after all and its never going to copy real life exactly because the AI personalities are not the same thing as the real life personalities in charge and never could be. That doesn't mean that when you get your mod finished it won't be a great, fun and interesting mod to play. It just means it won't be like watching WWE or TNA television.

That's not the problem at all though. The problem is in this game with the WWE putting up horrible shows it drops their ratings and everything else drops and WWE ends up at a Cult type level, which is the main focus. WWE isn't going to end up being a cult fed in less than a year. That's all they are trying to fix to keep WWE and other promotions from becoming bankrupt within months into the data, if that happened it would be useless to play.

I mean seriously, why should Tenay and West even have jobs?
Tenay is one of the best PBP wrestling guys in the business, anyone in the business would tell you this, and plenty of wrestling fans know him as The Professor for his knowledge of the business and that comes across very much in his broadcast... it always has. West could be debated, but I love him, why? His enthusiasum. You gotta love that, it's like he sees a basic clothesline for the first time everytime and it just comes across that way and makes it fun.

[Ransik]

Heck I'd take Don West over Jim Ross. JR doesn't even know who half the wrestlers are half the time... and he doesn't even know the names of any moves after you get past basics or finishers. Confusing all 3 Dudleyz... Jericho with Benoit... Austin with Rock... you name it.

Don West is the same as JR only he knows his holds, wrestlers and doesn't spend the entire bout talking in stupid southern cliches. JR may be well respected but he either doesn't know crap about what goes on inside a wrestling ring and only knows the wrester's backgrounds or he's just lost what he once had. I compare the JR of today to the Tony Shivanoe of 1995 WCW.

Anyway, back to the scenario. The main problem is that we know the WWE doesn't put on many good shows in real life and it reflects the data... but the game world can't sustain popularity with crappy shows. I bet you if I booked this past week's RAW the only good match I would get out of it is HBK and Edge, and the show would be a total disaster because its the only match that ran over 5 minutes. You know... I think tomorrow I will run this past week's RAW and see what comes out of it.

Main line is; the WWE can't stay global in the game because of the constant piss-poor booking and quality of wrestlers and matches they actually have. If Heat remained in T-Zone and it was booked true to life it would get you a D most times and if rarely a C-. For every great performer the WWE has they have 5 that won't last another 2 years in the company. The WWE stays global in real life because of loyal fans... but the game doesn't have loyal fans, therefore it can't take it into consideration. The game sees crappy performers and crappy booking and ranks it accordingly.

Take me for instance. I don't watch ECW at all and have only seen half a show since August. With RAW and Smackdown I DVR them, and 9 times out of 10 I can watch those 4 hours and 10 minutes (250 minutes) in less than 90. I watch what's worth watching and nothing more.

[Stevie F'n Swing]

In other news...

I've put in a whole day's work on the angles and storylines...and this is what I have completed.

Angles added:
AB- Black Wedding
AB - Limo Kidnapping
AB - Vegas Wedding
Announcement: Special Ref 1v1
Announcement: Special Ref 2v2
AR – Post Match: You Screwed Me!
AT – Barbwire Ambush v1
AT – Post Match: Hardcore Beating 1v1
AT – Post Match: Hardcore Beating 2v2
AT – Worker Thrown off Bridge
HY – Thanks For Waking Me Up…
HY – Worker to Retire on Talk Show
RES - Black Wedding Failed
RESP – Challenge Accepted, MY Rules
RESP – Worker Cuts Down Rival/Girlfriend
SEX – Live Sex Celebration
Talk Show: Host Insults Rival v1
Talk Show: Host Insults Rival v2
Talk Show: Host Taunts Rival Destruction v1
Talk Show: Host Taunts Rival Destruction v2
Talk Show: Presentation of Gift v1
Talk Show: Presentation of Gift v2

Storylines added:
Waking the Hardcore Legend (based on: Edge vs. Foley)

Not to mention the deletion of 300 or so duplicate angles, which is a pain. To give you an idea of what I've done, here's a shot of the plot outline for Edge vs. Foley...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/marchhaire/tzonepreview.jpg

Let me know what you think...and any input is welcome.

[Caninrok]

To each their own on the score of announcers we like. You definitely have some points about your JR. I wonder, having never made a mod myself. How much could Owner and Booking skills and preferences be part of the problems? Just curious. Good luck with your mod. I'll definitely give it a whirl when you work it out if for no other reason the amount of work and stress you guys are going through to get it done.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Heck I'd take Don West over Jim Ross. JR doesn't even know who half the wrestlers are half the time... and he doesn't even know the names of any moves after you get past basics or finishers. Confusing all 3 Dudleyz... Jericho with Benoit... Austin with Rock... you name it.

Don West is the same as JR only he knows his holds, wrestlers and doesn't spend the entire bout talking in stupid southern cliches. JR may be well respected but he either doesn't know crap about what goes on inside a wrestling ring and only knows the wrester's backgrounds or he's just lost what he once had. I compare the JR of today to the Tony Shivanoe of 1995 WCW.

Anyway, back to the scenario. The main problem is that we know the WWE doesn't put on many good shows in real life and it reflects the data... but the game world can't sustain popularity with crappy shows. I bet you if I booked this past week's RAW the only good match I would get out of it is HBK and Edge, and the show would be a total disaster because its the only match that ran over 5 minutes. You know... I think tomorrow I will run this past week's RAW and see what comes out of it.

Main line is; the WWE can't stay global in the game because of the constant piss-poor booking and quality of wrestlers and matches they actually have. If Heat remained in T-Zone and it was booked true to life it would get you a D most times and if rarely a C-. For every great performer the WWE has they have 5 that won't last another 2 years in the company. The WWE stays global in real life because of loyal fans... but the game doesn't have loyal fans, therefore it can't take it into consideration. The game sees crappy performers and crappy booking and ranks it accordingly.

Take me for instance. I don't watch ECW at all and have only seen half a show since August. With RAW and Smackdown I DVR them, and 9 times out of 10 I can watch those 4 hours and 10 minutes (250 minutes) in less than 90. I watch what's worth watching and nothing more.





You know I wonder if Adam could do something where once a company reached like global status, it's very very hard for them to fall out of public eye. Like it would take a major catstrophe (sp?)... I mean like WCW, they haven't been around for awhile... but people still know who they are... Their popularity would still be there on some level if it was to return as it's on company. Not what it once was, but the name still carries weight.
So maybe if it's possible he put something in that makes it where it takes alot of bad show and loosing money to fall from global, then fall from internatinoal, then national.... then they can't go under cult at all, all they could do then would be go bankrupt.


Just an idea, dont know if anyone's said it or not... can't keep up with all these post these days.

Later,
Johnny "The Origianl Sheik's personal assitant" Fenoli

[djthefunkchris]

I don't get it really. That list of things that Adam suggested seemed to make alot of scense to me (without even seeing the data). The AI saying someone is global doesn't mean, that it means WWE.... International sounded reasonable, because that is still worldwide, and still pretty popular.

The only thing I haven't heard of being changed one bit is... what the fans want (in the game). Are there enough places for WWE to hold shows where the fans would like their type of style? I'm sure there is, just kind of thinking out loud.

Anyways, who is to say WWE doesn't go down quite a bit in the next year? It could happen. From reading most the posts in here, seems like the people working on WWE doesn't think they are any good stat wise, entertainment wise, or even announcer quality wise, so that would seem reasonable to me that they would shrink in popularity. If they are set up to suck, then they will just suck.

Just my thoughts on it. If you think they are really as bad as you whats been said over and over throughout this thread, then why not just go with the flow. There's surely enough people that believe's they suck, and would love a sucky rendition of WWE.

The only alternative, unless Adam or someone else can think of anything else, is to just change them to be better then what you believe they are. SO since that's obviously out of the question, I would just let them fall.... Who knows, they might build themselve's back up over time.

[Adam Ryland]

So maybe if it's possible he put something in that makes it where it takes alot of bad show and loosing money to fall from global, then fall from internatinoal, then national....

To summarise, this is the same sort of suggestion as earlier in the thread where someone suggested the rate of decline be much slower so that it takes many years for promotions to fall.

I absolutely could do that, and will if there is a great deal of support for it. However, I think people may have forgotten to look at the downside. If you implement that, then you also need to go the other way and make it harder to rise (otherwise you'll simply end up with loads of big promotions).

As a ballpark figure, let's say that the WWE absolutely cannot fall out of Global for ten years, as it takes that long for their in-built fan base to erode. Using that figure, you'd have to say that going the opposite direction should be equally hard, so let's slap a minimum 5 year on TNA going up a size. I think most people will already have seen where I'm going with this - if those changes are implemented, the game world is going to be almost static. Most people don't play for more than 5 years (at most) anyway, so that means that most people who play the game won't actually ever see a promotion change size, and won't ever be able to book a promotion to rise in size.

I don't know about everyone else, but that sounds like a really, really good way to kill the enjoyment of the game. The rate of change in the game at the moment is faster than reality, that's intentional!

[Gabriel]

Adam, I think that maybe half of what you suggested would be good. Like, a five year decline from Global... a two to three year rise for a promotion.

I agree that you need to look at the playability factor, but with promotions moving up and down so easily, it kills the realism factor. I'm not even a year into the game I've been playing, and TNA's above WWE, and WWE is about equal with ROH. It's just weird.

[Anubis]

Adam, I think that maybe half of what you suggested would be good. Like, a five year decline from Global... a two to three year rise for a promotion.

I agree that you need to look at the playability factor, but with promotions moving up and down so easily, it kills the realism factor. I'm not even a year into the game I've been playing, and TNA's above WWE, and WWE is about equal with ROH. It's just weird.

Not really. Look how fast WCW went from being a small spinoff of NWA to being a Global powerhouse once Eric Bischoff took the reigns. Damn near overnight.

[Adam Ryland]

I'm not even a year into the game I've been playing, and TNA's above WWE, and WWE is about equal with ROH. It's just weird.

Which stats are you using? The data with my recommended changes shouldn't end up like that, TNA are too far back to rise that far in that amount of time.

[jbergey_2005]

I am just curious as to how bad the stats are for the WWE wrestlers if they are not able to put on many good matches or shows. Are we certain we are not under cutting a lot of their stats because it seems thats the cool thing to do these days? Talentwise the WWE is very down from where it was 5-6 years ago but they certainly have enough talent to stay afloat.

[wotto29]

Adam, I think that maybe half of what you suggested would be good. Like, a five year decline from Global... a two to three year rise for a promotion.

That sounds good to me, very realistic aswell.

[jbergey_2005]

I dont like the idea of changing anything as far as how long it takes to rise or fall. Havent played 07 with DOTT(because its not out yet of course) but on 05 it worked very well with CV and DOTT and really dont want to play 10 years before I can raise the WWF a level in DOTT. Thats a long time. and lots of shows.

I guess I dont understand how TNA can be running better shows then the WWE right away unless TNA stats are better then the WWE's. In reality the WWE midcarders would be Main Eventers in the TNA and hopefully the stats are reflective of this.

[Caninrok]

I'll add my voice to the "I don't want to see the rate of change change" side of things. To further stretch the buying power of my two cents I'd like to point out that WWE could certainly fall from grace within a year. Within three years they could be in serious, serious trouble. It looks likely that the ECW brand might not live out the year, and that their PPV buys could continue a serious decline due to lack of quality, over-exposure and the stiff competition from the UFC. If UFC continues to grow this year it will seriously threaten the WWE. There are a lot of crossover fans and they only have so many entertainment dollars to spend. I realize that dynamic doesn't exist in the game but its just one example of the problems that the WWE could face within one year in real life. I also don't think loyal fans are the secret to the WWE in real life. I think a large part of the secret is that for many many people they are the only option for wrestling, especially if they want to see a live show thats above Indy quality.

[Adam Ryland]

I guess I dont understand how TNA can be running better shows then the WWE right away unless TNA stats are better then the WWE's. In reality the WWE midcarders would be Main Eventers in the TNA and hopefully the stats are reflective of this.

It's interesting you should say this - I logged off before you posted it so didn't see it until now, but I've actually just spent the morning running more tests to see if I could figure out why WWE was struggling compared to TNA, and your point turns out to have been very accurate.

What jumped out at me very early was the respective main events (which as both feds are entertainment based are very important). Now, Raw was being headlined regularly by RKO vs DX in various forms, and was getting a B- at best. TNA was headlined by combinations of Sting, Joe, Abyss and Jarrett and was getting B+s.

What I discovered when checking the actual stats given, was that the four TNA guys in that example are actually better brawlers than the WWE guys. Now, I'm not going to start a whole WWE vs TNA debate, but what I will say is that I'm fairly neutral on this subject, as I'm not particularly interested in either promotion, and neither particularly like or dislike any of the eight people mentioned. I have seen them all enough to comment though.

Before continuing, I do want to clarify that the Brawling stat is about how well they put on brawl-based matches, not their actual brawling ability, and that I would consider the average WWE\TNA match to fall under that category.

Now, IMO, there seems to have been a serious negative bias toward the WWE crew, as not one of them has gotten more than B- in brawling. A B- is a pretty mediocre rating in TEW07, especially for a main eventer. While I can see an argument for Orton being there (although personally I'd have given him a B), I think that's exceptionally harsh on the other three, especially Shawn given some of the matches he's been involved in over the past year and a half.

Bear in mind that those stats mean that if the WWE headlined a show with Edge vs Shawn, which I'd imagine would be a fairly good match in reality, you'd be struggling to get more than a B. Now consider that if two of their best workers are struggling to get a B, which wouldn't be good enough to help WWE maintain their popularity, they have absolutely no chance when it's matches involving Batista, Cena, etc, who are worse workers. I can understand that some people dislike the WWE's product, but from a neutral's point of view, that seems to be an excessively harsh situation to put them in.

On the TNA side, I actually think the Brawling stats aren't too bad. I think Jarrett is just about dead-on in terms of accuracy, and I think if you used him as your base you'd be doing fine (i.e. I think even a TNA fan would be hard-pressed to say that Jarrett has been having better brawls than HBK over recent times, so Shawn should therefore be rated higher). I think Sting is the only one who has been given a higher grade than necessary, as generally I think his matches have been fairly poor (he looks slow and unmotivated to me, the comparison I'd make is that has he really been a better brawler than the very motivated, energetic Edge over the past year, like the stats say?)

I'd go so far as to say this is the key issue that is really sinking the mod as far as realism goes. The reason WWE is struggling is that a lot of their main eventers don't have the stats to hit anything over a B-\B match - when you see that the midcard is producing Cs and Ds (which I actually agree with in terms of accuracy), it's no wonder that they are getting C+ rated shows, when they need Bs and B+s to maintain their level.

Now, I edited the data to the levels I'd have given (using a close CornellVerse equivelant as a reference point) and ran a week's worth of shows, and instantly WWE are doing a lot better. If you wish to use it as a reference point, my Brawling stats for the four WWE guys were as follows:

Shawn - 86%
Triple H - 86%
Edge - 83%
Orton - 76%

Obviously there's a few others on the roster who should then be tweaked accordingly.

For reference, I also looked into Ransik's reports of Viscera being put in main events (using the data prior to the editing done above), and in 40 simulations of Raw, not once did he have anything other than a midcard role. I'm really not sure what else to suggest, other than you should check what stats you gave him.

[jbergey_2005]

Good news Adam,(Its too bad we couldnt have you take on a mod like this;))

I just want to add a point!

Simply because the WWE doesnt use some of these workers to their full capability doesnt mean they cant do more. As mod makers in order to make this as realistic as possible, you need to assume that these workers are put on = playing fields and go from there. IF Shawn Michaels was in TNA would his stats be the same OR if Somoa Joe was in the WWE would his stats be the same? McMahon I feel holds back his wrestlers or atleast tries to make them more into actors rather than wrestlers, this doesnt mean that they arent great wrestlers. I realize this is a very hard concept and that is what makes real world mods extremely difficult.

It seems a little bit that the WWE is set up to fail in this mod and that the game is really doing what it is suppose to.

[Ransik]

Before forlan sent me the new data I had gone through the WWE workers and upped a lot of their stats, mostly Hardcore and Brawling, and it didn't change the effect of the shows overall. The AI just never books the top guys against each other often enough to get better matches.

[Adam Ryland]

The AI just never books the top guys against each other often enough to get better matches.

There are 15 main event spots in the data that was provided, of which only about 5 are filled with people capable of good matches. Simple percentages tell you that the chances of it being two good workers against each other is slim, simply because there's more poor main eventers than good main eventers.

I'd also, once again, question your definition of "never". Hyperbole seems to be a recurring theme in your testing reports, and it's making it very difficult to give you accurate feedback.

[djthefunkchris]

I think he said Viscera was being put against Cena early in the show. Cena being a Main Eventer (I think), he was saying that Viscera shouldn't be able to have a title match with Cena, or main event a show.

I don't think he was actually the last card though.

I don't think they want to change the stats personally. WWE strives on Brawling, all entertainment stats, and so forth. They probably have them down as all unentertaining (or low), and for someone like Cena for example, that's his biggest strength, and the only reason he is "the Champ". Cena will probably lose the belt in a matter of a month if his stats all suck. The funny part about it is, well, he has improved lately, although a bit is all.. My son pointed that one out to me (I am known to chant "Cena Sucks", soon as his music plays, and therefore tick off my son, lol).

I do remember Forlan saying something about some stats needed tweaking though, perhaps that's one of them he was talking about.

IF Shawn Michaels was in TNA would his stats be the same OR if Somoa Joe was in the WWE would his stats be the same?

All relevant posts I have read in here would put Shawn Michaels as a midcard or upper midcard in TNA and Samoa Joe would be top Main Eventer for WWE, without competition...

I'm curious as to what you guys have the brawling stats of people like Undertaker and Kane as? Kane is being used as an enhanced Talent right now, but he is surely capable of more (I believe this is his own doing, he wants to help put some younger people over or something like that), more as in how jbergy was saying... Just because someone that works 5 or 6 days a week isn't as energetic as someone who does it once a week, doesn't mean they are incapable of it, when they are set up for it (HBK vs. Edge street fight).

[HugeRockStar760]

Even though Cena has defended his title at the beginning of RAW before and against Viscera...or could've been in a non-title match. There's not a set script the WWE follows.

[Adam Ryland]

I think he said Viscera was being put against Cena early in the show. Cena being a Main Eventer (I think), he was saying that Viscera shouldn't be able to have a title match with Cena, or main event a show.

His exact quote was:

and in the Main Event Batista beating Viscera.

I haven't been able to find anything like this happening.

What I am referring to is that the testers, Ransik in particular, are being really loose in the terms they are using, and it's making it virtually impossible for me to really offer much help. Phrases like "top guys" are useless - is that someone the tester thinks is a top guy in reality, someone who is in the Main Event in the database, etc, etc? There's been no information given on what Viscera's actual push was at the time of the match, and that's the important piece of information - it doesn't matter where he is in real life, if he's since gone into the Upper Midcard in the game then there's no problem, it's a perfectly acceptable piece of booking. It's the same with the uses of the words like "never"; I've already seen at least one time where that's been used when what was meant was "very rarely". That's a BIG difference when it comes to checking errors.

[forlan]

Can I just clarify, the only people with the T-Zone data in any form are

Myself
Webby
Ransik
Cyberkitten
The Stallion
Tsumirren
Latenitescw
Panix
TCP1
Legendkiller
Adam Ryland

I don't think i've missed anyone there, anyone else reporting any "findings" or saying anything "happened" is most likely using some hybrid conversion of their own and shouldn't really be talking about it in this thread.

As for the stats, yeah some do need work still as i told the testers as i'm currently going through the promotions sorting that sort of stuff and have just finished FIP in that respect.

Hope that clears some things up

[Ransik]

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v98/ransik/?action=view&current=capture-1.jpg

This is from the test I've been running the last couple days. The 4th show into the game and the AI put together Eugene vs. Cena in the Main Event. Cena with 89% Overness and Eugene with 71%. Dunno if that's a big enough gap but that's the only thing I could find with the short time I have left before work.

Anyway, I'll be back around 4pm EST.

[djthefunkchris]

His exact quote was:



I haven't been able to find anything like this happening.

What I am referring to is that the testers, Ransik in particular, are being really loose in the terms they are using, and it's making it virtually impossible for me to really offer much help. Phrases like "top guys" are useless - is that someone the tester thinks is a top guy in reality, someone who is in the Main Event in the database, etc, etc? There's been no information given on what Viscera's actual push was at the time of the match, and that's the important piece of information - it doesn't matter where he is in real life, if he's since gone into the Upper Midcard in the game then there's no problem, it's a perfectly acceptable piece of booking. It's the same with the uses of the words like "never"; I've already seen at least one time where that's been used when what was meant was "very rarely". That's a BIG difference when it comes to checking errors.

I understand where your coming from I think. It's hard to make adjustments, or even reasonable conclusions without accurate data on what's going on. I got interested in this mod after seeing alot of trouble (almost radical to an extent "If it won't play right, it's not coming out!"), and the intent was to help out if possible. I even sent a PM to the person specifically working on WWE, to make sure it was ok, and was told it's nice to have suggestions.

I would like to point out, I seen people ask about the stats, and the answer was about not wanting to inflate people's stats as they are or have been in other mods. Ever since that post, I believed that stats is their main problem, period. Then you made your suggestions, and I thought, you know... that might work, since their stats seem to be way down for a promotion that size... possibly taking them to a lower position might work...

To be honest... I can't say one way or another, but you can because you have the data. Here is what I believe though... WWE's roster is made with stats you would see in a regional promotion, not a Global, International, Cult or even National promotion. That's what I believe, but I cannot verify... I would check that first though.

[Adam Ryland]

Cena with 89% Overness and Eugene with 71%. Dunno if that's a big enough gap but that's the only thing I could find with the short time I have left before work.

You're looking at the wrong stats. Their actual overness doesn't matter, what matters is their current pushes - that was shown in the very first data set, where Benoit was one of the most over people in the company, but was only an Upper Midcarder. I think you'll find that Eugene was an Upper Midcarder when that match took place, as anything lower than that and he wouldn't have received a title shot in the main event.

So, in short, while that might look like a weird match for real life, the stats given mean that it's a perfectly acceptable match.

[jbergey_2005]

All relevant posts I have read in here would put Shawn Michaels as a midcard or upper midcard in TNA and Samoa Joe would be top Main Eventer for WWE, without competition... .


I seriously hope you dont really believe this. He would be right there with angle as the most over wrestler on the roster. Kurt Angle went right over to TNA and got involved with Somoa Joe(whom TNA's consider their own and is obviously very popular) and the fans are mixed about who to even cheer for in this match yet they tried to make Angle the heel. TNA is a great up and coming promotion but if this mod will ever work like most people want it(realistically) we need to be fair to the WWE. By saying HBK is a main eventer in the WWE and would be a midcarder/upper midcarder in TNA is not being unbias. He is one of the WWE's biggest stars that puts on some of the best matches. As for Somoa Joe, that is also incorrect. He could never just go over to the WWE and be there top Main Eventer, he could maybe be built into that roll but he does not have even close to the World Overness to be considered as even a main eventer in the WWE at this point. We all know Somoa Joe and think hes a great talent because we are huge wrestling fans, sadly I would bet that we make up less then 20% of wrestling fans out there and I am sure the majority of the other 80% have no idea who Somoa Joe is unfortunately. Maybe we need to have an internet wrestling fan mod.....

[forlan]

See what i mean, this has no relevance discussion wise to the data as the person making the comment doesn't have the data and is basing it on pure speculation so there is no need for jbergey to even reply to such fabrications. This sin't a nasty comment its just some of the less intelligent people who may just skim the thread might read that as truth when its opinion that is not even based on fact.

[jbergey_2005]

sorry, he directed that comment at me for some reason so I felt the need to reply

[Megaman0]

I think what djthefunkchris meant is that the way people talk in this thread is that HBK would be an inferiour wrestler in TNA that and that Samoa Joe would get pushed to the main event...

[forlan]

I haven't got that impresion at all, neither have hardly been mentioned in the thread

[jbergey_2005]

I think what djthefunkchris meant is that the way people talk in this thread is that HBK would be an inferiour wrestler in TNA that and that Samoa Joe would get pushed to the main event...

So in other words we are in agreement:o ooops, sorry!!! I missed what he was getting at, sorry djthefunkchris

[Stevie F'n Swing]

One more storyline has been completed. "Wrestling Machine vs. Submission Machine." Obviously based on Kurt vs. Joe. Check it out...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v653/marchhaire/tzonepreview2.jpg

[pete]

I realize there's a rather big problem that's being solved at the moment, but is there a ball park ETA for this thing?

[Consrvtve]

In 17 days from now at 8:38 am. :rolleyes:

[TEWSuperFan]

Is that the release date? That sucks, I'll have no interest in it then...im start to lose it now...waiting as long as I am...I love interest in playing TEW already...but the cornellverse doesn't keep me intacted.

[jbergey_2005]

I believe the sarcastic ferry stopped by. :rolleyes:

The truth is no release date has been set and I doubt one will be set. A good mod(DOTT) will be out soon, try that until this one is ready...

[Kezman]

You guys are doing a great job

[cyberkitten01]

So general consensus is now, Forlan knows what's needed now to keep WWE afloat, and the data isn't finished. Therefore when the data is finished, it should all work. He's working through them in alphabetical order and the last mention of how far he'd gotten was FIP. That makes WWE and TNA close to last, so we'll see how it all works out when the data is finished.

I don't think it would be unreasonable to expect a release at the end of February at the earliest. So time to start crying about how you haven't got your money's worth and the Cornellverse is rubbish :rolleyes: I never used to play the Cornellverse, but with such a long wait for T-Zone I've got well into it now. WreSpi helped get me into it too

[wotto29]

If the data wasn't to be finished until the end of February (at the earliest), what is the point of sending the data out for tests now? Considering that overness and wrestling stats were no where near completed, would it not be more reasonable to use the completed data and then if things didn't work use Adam's suggestions?

Not having a go like, just don't understand to be honest.

[forlan]

Because a lot of the testers are testing various aspects of the data that are finished. It's not like they need it totally finished to have a nice big game or something

[wotto29]

Because a lot of the testers are testing various aspects of the data that are finished. It's not like they need it totally finished to have a nice big game or something

No, but I mean the complaining that the AI can't book matches correctly and that Viscera is in the main event etc, if the data was a month of being completed (Viscera as an upper midcarder etc) was this not to be expected?

[forlan]

1) I never ever said the data was a month off, might be more, might be less
2) Viscera is not an upper midcarder

[Ransik]

I've hit April of 2001... WWE has finally made it back to being Global with the Main Event consisting of Sting, Cor Von, Doring, Edge, Cage, HBK and Triple H.

Nothing else really to note, very few deaths, very few retirements that would effect anything (Undertaker is the only big name to retire thus far.)

[Consrvtve]

"I've hit April of 2001... WWE has finally made it back to being Global"

OMG, it took a flux capacitor to fix the data. We're all doomed.

[Ransik]

I meant 2011. :cool:

Some odd choices for Main Eventers which surprises me a bit. Doring's skills haven't even improved but he seems to be the most over person in the world right now.

[Goldenskillz]

So even in 2011 Ric Flair is still going strong ??? Thats one crazy guy, i would have thought he would have retired WAY before Taker....shows what i know :p

[Ransik]

Oops, I didn't notice it but Flair retired in mid-2007. He now works for NOAH as a commentator.

[Consrvtve]

Simon, in your game how far did WWE fall? Did they lose all their tv shows/PPVs?

[Goldenskillz]

Oops, I didn't notice it but Flair retired in mid-2007.

Phew then at least something good came out of the data...i had a fear it would take a death to get Flair to stop wrestling.

[Ransik]

WWE lost all but 2 PPV carriers when I left for work this morning and had RAW on Canal 52 but every other show was long gone. They now have a show on Comedy Central at midnight that runs one hour.

TNA managed to hold onto Impact with Spike so forlan has TNA seemingly good to go. They have a new show on Spike that airs Friday at midnight... but they've never left Cult.

I also set myself to Active for the hell of it to see what would happen, I finally scored work for BPW and DDT in January of 2011 but sadly I'm a complete and utter jobber. lol

Edit: Just noticed this. AJ Styles jumped to WWE in 2010... won the Cruiserweight Title after almost a year... then walked out on them and went back to TNA.

[ACCBiggz]

but sadly I'm a complete and utter jobber. lol

I see nothings changed.


Couldn't resist.

[TracyBrooksFan]

Doug Gentry, one of the people behind the Ring of Honor promotion when it started along with Rob Feinstein and Gabe Sapolsky, passed away this morning at the age of 34.

Gentry was suffering from heart disease and was in need of a replacement heart valve. He suffered a severe heart attack at about 3 a.m. last night that proved to be fatal.

Gentry was the on-paper owner of ROH and RF Video after the Feinstein scandal. When Cary Silkin purchased the complete ownership of ROH from Gentry, who Feinstein transfered his stock to, he was no longer part of the company.

Gentry and Feinstein remained working together with RF Video untli his death.

wrestling observer

[forlan]

Thanks but i already knew, its been coming for weeks to be honest, ever since i first heard about the illness. Hope ROH do the right thing and have some sort of tribute to him this weekend as he was an innocent party in the Feinstein/Sapolsky war and just chose to side with his best friend.

[Consrvtve]

Was he any relation to Dennis Gentry of the original midnight express?

[forlan]

Dennis Condrey?

[Consrvtve]

:( You're right about Condrey. Now I have to figure out who the hell I thought dennis gentry was.

Edit: And turns out he was a player for the bears. I probably remembered him in the back of my mind from tecmo bowl.

[MrKain]

I'll be able to tell you first hand if they make comment to him, as I'm going to be at the show. I hope they do tribute him as he's a founding member.

[Ransik]

Just to let everyone know, I've more than doubled the amount of New Promotions thus far... I'm just having a hard time coming up with names. I used to have a giant file I made up for 2005 with over 100 new promotions but I think it's long gone.

My main problem is I know very little Spanish so I can't really come up with anything for Mexico. If anyone can fire off suggestions I can expand that region easier, but I'll just come up with tons of Eddie Guerrero slogans. lol

[Consrvtve]

So if the work has shifted to making new promotions noone's ever heard of, can we rest assured the problem of keeping WWE as a power and TNA to a lesser extent has been taken care of?

[Johnny Fenoli]

Just to let everyone know, I've more than doubled the amount of New Promotions thus far... I'm just having a hard time coming up with names. I used to have a giant file I made up for 2005 with over 100 new promotions but I think it's long gone.

My main problem is I know very little Spanish so I can't really come up with anything for Mexico. If anyone can fire off suggestions I can expand that region easier, but I'll just come up with tons of Eddie Guerrero slogans. lol

Here ya go....

[Ransik]

Forlan is working on correcting what's wrong, but I volunteered to make new promotions.

I dnuno Fenoli, do you want me using your file?

[Johnny Fenoli]

Forlan is working on correcting what's wrong, but I volunteered to make new promotions.

I dnuno Fenoli, do you want me using your file?

It's all about good will toward others... lol


Edit: You might want to pick and choose, and adjust where need be to fit into the game better... but you can at least use the names I guess.

[cyberkitten01]

So if the work has shifted to making new promotions noone's ever heard of, can we rest assured the problem of keeping WWE as a power and TNA to a lesser extent has been taken care of?

Don't look at me love

[forlan]

I've given up replying as no one even bothers to read the thread, if something major happened it would be there and if it hasn't it wont, you do the maths

[Horizon]

As this release sounds like it's maybe a few weeks away yet, I thought I'd play with a conversion of T-Zone 05 data. Just so i can get some experience with the new game, more than anything.

Was just wondering what the downsides (if any) there are with doing so. Do the conversions play well or will some things not make sense or work?

I remember reading a few negatives, but can't really remember them, so thought this would maybe be the thread to ask in seeing as we're all waiting for the updated version :D

Cheers.

[MrKain]

:(

I read the thread. Even the big arguments going down. Now I'm sad.

[flashmagic]

Just to let everyone know, I've more than doubled the amount of New Promotions thus far... I'm just having a hard time coming up with names. I used to have a giant file I made up for 2005 with over 100 new promotions but I think it's long gone.

My main problem is I know very little Spanish so I can't really come up with anything for Mexico. If anyone can fire off suggestions I can expand that region easier, but I'll just come up with tons of Eddie Guerrero slogans. lol

Lucha promotions usually use the name of the promoter or the location their located as their name.

For example AAA is also named PAP (Promociónes Antonio Pena) or Benjamin Mora's "Promo Mora" in Tijuana. Lucha feds also use the same descriptive words US groups use like World, Wrestling, Universe, X-Treme, etc.... For example the 2 big hardcore groups in lucha currently are Nueva Generation X-treme (New Xtreme Generation) & Ordan de Lucha X-tremea (basically translates as "Organation of X-Treme Wrestling"

[forlan]

I've been scouting around and have had no luck, has anyone got pictures for Greg Lambert or Dann Read. I know what both look like, just pictures of them is needle in haystack it seems.

[flashmagic]

Not very good quality but here's a pic of Lambert from a screencap of a Youtube video

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/3977/screencapfl5.jpg

Don't know if you an get any better from the vid, but here's the link incase you can http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHwntcnU9V4

[forlan]

Thanks, i'll take a look, i found some pics of Read great ones infact but i cant use them as they are on Sarah Baracloughs site and have her logo splattered all over his face :(

[mason]

Is the mod out yet? If not, when will it be out?

[tommytomlin]

Is the mod out yet? If not, when will it be out?

:rolleyes:

Forlan, to preserve your sanity, I'd make a new T-Zone thread, and have a newbie-friendly first post saying that the mod is being worked on and will be out when it's out. Should preserve your sanity a little.

[D16NJD16]

I think people are just confused by the tester posts of people with the pre release version of the game, or making corrections about the game, perhaps to them it sounds like it's out.

[cyberkitten01]

As this release sounds like it's maybe a few weeks away yet, I thought I'd play with a conversion of T-Zone 05 data. Just so i can get some experience with the new game, more than anything.

Was just wondering what the downsides (if any) there are with doing so. Do the conversions play well or will some things not make sense or work?

Well a conversion of the data is what's been worked on right now that Forlan is updating far as I can tell. Which is why WWE and TNA have been so craptacular in this version. Their stats and everything worked fine for TEW2005, but the same stats in TEW2007 just don't work. At least thanks to Adam we know why now

But yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing this thread closed and then a new one started up with real updates instead of all the arguments and everything. Maybe restrict the updates to just emails to Forlan too so we're not giving too much away :rolleyes:

[Limey Crumpet Sucker]

Hey guys, I appriciate what your doin here, one question though. Will the british promotion 1PW be on this mod?

[forlan]

Not a chance in hell...sorry, they were but got deleted for reasons most people can figure out...that and Gauntley is a twat

[Stevie F'n Swing]

They went out of buisness, right?

[forlan]

Sort of yeah

[bigjabbadudley]

yo forlan, not being bitchy or pushy but i just got done watching wresling society x, was quite impressive are they gonna be in, gonna be hard to work there promotion stats out.

im gonna be watching this show closely

[ACCBiggz]

yo forlan, not being bitchy or pushy but i just got done watching wresling society x, was quite impressive are they gonna be in, gonna be hard to work there promotion stats out.

im gonna be watching this show closely

They won't be in. They aren't a real promotion, they are a television series.

[bigjabbadudley]

for the moment, its a tv series but if they keep going they will eventualy step up,

[Goldenskillz]

In regards to 1pw they wer reported as going out of buisness on their own web site....but i think it turned out to be aload of bull.

[ACCBiggz]

for the moment, its a tv series but if they keep going they will eventualy step up,

No it won't, it's a tv series. It's owner is MTV/Viacom, if ratings slip or anything it'll be cut, there roster consists of indy workers who only come in for a set number of tapings. They don't tour, run shows on multiple days for other fans, the 'fans' in the audience are paid members who look hip and attractice, it's an avenue for music. They don't have any PPV type deals either and the show is 30 minutes long making storylines non-exsistent for the most part, so what they are doing with "exploding cages" or whatever is their only draw. Futhermore, if TZone added this show, the stars couldn't maintain ratings for MTV in the game so it'd fold anyway.

It's not a promotion, it won't get much bigger, it really has no future at all.

[HugeRockStar760]

So, WSX won't be added because it's a "tv series" (which it is not, try telling Vampiro he's an actor by the way), then why is the WWE included? Wrestling shows as a whole are episodic television.

Big Vision might have a different story when it comes to who owns the promotion by the way.

I'm surprised there's the urge to have every obscure UK promotion yet there's a bias against an upstart wrestling promotion like WSX which is actually on television and a promotion some users might actually use.

[ACCBiggz]

So, WSX won't be added because it's a "tv series" (which it is not, try telling Vampiro he's an actor by the way), then why is the WWE included? Wrestling shows as a whole are episodic television.

Big Vision might have a different story when it comes to who owns the promotion by the way.

I'm surprised there's the urge to have every obscure UK promotion yet there's a bias against an upstart wrestling promotion like WSX which is actually on television and a promotion some users might actually use.

I'll just let forlan explain to you tomorrow, because I have neither the time nor the inclination to continue a debate about the legitamacy of WSX (although Human Torando and Scorpio Sky on TV is awesome).

[Michael Wayne]

half the roster is on the verge of being signed by the WWE anyways. They'll be dead soon enough.

[HugeRockStar760]

I'm just wondering how we're determining what is a wrestling promotion or not. Funny enough WSX has wrestlers, has a television show, wrestles in a four sided ring, has wrestling announcers, etc. WSX just started. Being cynical about something that has just started is not worth it.

WSX was more entertaining in a half hour than ECW has been in quite some time. If WSX gets decent ratings, it wouldn't be a surprise if they stop with the tapings months ahead and just start taping weekly in front of real fans.

half the roster is on the verge of being signed by the WWE anyways. They'll be dead soon enough.

They have exclusive, non-compete contracts. That's not happening. Since you're an insider, why don't you list who the WWE is going to sign from what is nothing more than a "television series." The only name I've heard the WWE has interest in is Teddy Hart.

[Ransik]

WSX is not going to last... and it sure as heck isn't a promotion. It's a TV series because MTV treats it like one. They taped the entire season (and they called it a season) in one week I believe... 3 months of TV. It's far more gimmicked than any promotion in the world (anyone seen the clips of the electrified cage... looks real amateurish to me) and it's just simply not a promotion.

[Consrvtve]

If you want the God damned thing in there then make it yourself when the data comes out. It's not that hard. Create a new promotion, give them a deal with MTV and do put their people under a PPA. It'll take you 20 minutes tops.

[HugeRockStar760]

If you want the God damned thing in there then make it yourself when the data comes out. It's not that hard. Create a new promotion, give them a deal with MTV and do put their people under a PPA. It'll take you 20 minutes tops.

Of course it wouldn't take long. However, it's questionable why a mod that claims to be "complete" is allowing personal biases to determine what is in and what is out of it.

If we're going to say WSX doesn't belong, why does CHIKARA belong in it?

[ACCBiggz]

We are not being cynical, we are stating it's not a promotion. It's a television show being produced to be a tv show. After the season is over, you won't see it again till next season. It's a tv show that is there to promote music...

Another notable difference between WSX and other wrestling promotions is that WSX has live bands playing at the start of each episode, with band members joining announcers Kris Kloss and Bret Ernst on commentary each week.

Bands

* Black Label Society (January 30, 2007)
* Three 6 Mafia (February 6, 2007)
* Sparta (February 13, 2007)
* Clipse (February 20, 2007)
* Jibbs (February 27, 2007)
* Good Charlotte (March 6, 2007)
* Quietdrive (March 13, 2007)
* Pitbull (March 20, 2007)
* Styles P (March 27, 2007)
* New Found Glory (April 3, 2007)


It's a 30 minute show, about 22 minutes after commercials, throw in 5 for music or so... 17, and while matches are going on the bands will pimp their stuff. You'll get about 15 minutes of actual matches, probably 2 7 minute matches, or 3 five minute matches each show. And as Ransik said "It's far more gimmicked than any promotion in the world". That's because without storylines or anything to tune in for, they have to have a selling point.

Edit: I will tune in to hear T6M on commentary as that may be the greatest thing ever, especially if they are watching Human Tornado.

[D16NJD16]

Of course it wouldn't take long. However, it's questionable why a mod that claims to be "complete" is allowing personal biases to determine what is in and what is out of it.

If we're going to say WSX doesn't belong, why does CHIKARA belong in it?

Well I actually thinks WSX belongs but CHIKARA is an independent promotion that runs local shows and runs on it's own merit. WSX is an MTV created wrestling show, and when the network of MTV pulls the plug on it, so will go "WSX" where as an actual promotion would in most cases either find a new network or just run local shows.

[Ransik]

Rockstar, you said a few days ago you were done with this mod and you weren't even going to play it... so please stop criticizing it. You were told if what T-Zone is being made to be to make your own mod and stop complaining about the work forlan is doing. It's free of charge... on his time... and if it bothers you that much wait for another mod to come out or make one yourself. You're disrupting the thread and have done so repeatedly.

[masterded]

Their is no way that WSX can be done with TEW so their is no need to add it.

[tommytomlin]

Of course it wouldn't take long. However, it's questionable why a mod that claims to be "complete" is allowing personal biases to determine what is in and what is out of it.


It's not bias, it's the fact that TEW can't simulate a promotion such as WSX properly. Simple as that.

[Ransik]

Correct. Vampiro would be the only name that casual fans MIGHT recognize but with the ratings in-game that MTV expect for the timeslot and the drawing power of the roster the company would be off TV within a month no matter what you do with it... and if it's not on TV I highly doubt the company would continue.

Edit: Oops, forgot about Waltman, but then again... meh.

[Stevie F'n Swing]

No WSX? But I was gonna add a piranha angle!

[cyberkitten01]

For realism I'm sure WSX can be added as a TV Show rather than a rival promotion, since you'll still be competing against it in the ratings for that slot. That's about the only way it can fit in TEW I think

CHIKARA > WSX
Quack ftw

[RayW]

Of course it wouldn't take long. However, it's questionable why a mod that claims to be "complete" is allowing personal biases to determine what is in and what is out of it.

If we're going to say WSX doesn't belong, why does CHIKARA belong in it?

I've never seen Forlan claim that his data mod is "complete". How can it be? There will always be promotions and workers left out of the release's, since there isn't always enough information on the worker/promotion to work with, or you simply know nothing of them, and can't give them the stats that they rightly deserve.

Also, I've followed this thread from the start, and it seems that every chance you get, you bash either the mod, Forlan, or his testing team. Now because WSX isn't in the game, you feel the need to argue the point that "obscure" UK promotions and promotions like CHIKARA are in there, but not WSX? In a previous thread, I believe in the Mods section of the forum, WSX had already been addressed. It's not possible to simulate WSX with TEW, and so, it rightly should be left out.

Also, I wish you'd stop calling the UK promotions 'obscure'. They may be to you, but to the people that live here, they are not. How would you like it if every chance I got, I called the Mexican promotions 'obscure'? I'm sure you wouldn't appreciate it much. You may, as you claim, know a lot about wrestling, but sir, you lack a lot of respect for anyone, or anything, that you don't agree with. If you wish to gain the respect of fellow members of the community, start showing them some respect, and stop bashing everything that isn't in your favor.

RayW.

[Rey619]

Why the heck did you bring CHIKARA into this? It's a normal indy promotion, just like IWA, PWG and ROH. It is family-oriented, with a lot of colorful characters and wacky gimmicks, but to compare it to WSX? Lame.

I'm not saying that WSX outright sucks, but it's going to be hard to implement in TEW. Obscure English promotions? There are probably a lot of British players who want to play with local promotions, and as long as forlan has someone doing their stats, it's no problem including them, as they operate precisely like the US indies.

[pete]

WSX is a fine wrestling show.

[djthefunkchris]

WSX is a fine wrestling show.

So was Celebrity Deathmatch.

[jimmy_shakerz]

Then to make people happy just add WSX in "Other TV Shows"

[Sensai of Mattitude]

I agree with everybody that has bought up their points on why WSX should not be included in this mod. As somebody said a few posts above, Wrestling Society X is a fine wrestling show - a show. It's like saying that SmackDown is it's own promotion just because it's a show. WSX is not a wrestling promotion. It's a show with wrestling on it. Period.

And, I agree with putting WSX in Other TV shows. That would be fair.

[forlan]

Other TV shows is the only place it could go, i was talking about this to ACCBiggz on MSN yesterday and the reasons are evident for all to see.

1) WSX is taped in seasons which is impossible to do in the game.
2) Their roster arent well known enough to hold an MTV slot "in Game" and to put them over enough would make the game somewhat unbalanced.

Now onot hugerockstar, is his only defence for anything he doesnt like somethng about British promotions, im sorry but apart from SWA and possibly BCW and 3CW the only British promotions in have been in since 05 and were converted over with the data. Oh except for the promotion of which i shall not speak that scumbag gauntley runs <_<

[Acenate Prophet]

It's a tv show that is there to promote music...

It's a 30 minute show, about 22 minutes after commercials, throw in 5 for music or so... 17, and while matches are going on the bands will pimp their stuff. You'll get about 15 minutes of actual matches, probably 2 7 minute matches, or 3 five minute matches each show. And as Ransik said "It's far more gimmicked than any promotion in the world". That's because without storylines or anything to tune in for, they have to have a selling point.

For the record, this seems to be inaccurate. I don't know if you watched the pilot episode the other night but Black Label Society barely played an entire song. Their segment was probably three minutes total. While Zakk Wylde did join the commentary team his band and music were not mentioned a single time after the fact. They may not have storylines now, but the WSXtra stuff online is sure to expand quite a bit on the characters and will likely be the place where feuds are developed.

Anyway, I'm guessing all the main players in WSX are already in the mod so I'll be adding the promotion myself just for kicks. Mostly because I think the fact that the Human Tornado is on MTV is the best thing in the universe. It's nice to know that some of your are omniscient enough to be able to predict the cancellation of a show which hasn't even had its official premiere yet, too.

The fact that you think anything on MTV is about music is laughable, though. :D

[forlan]

Just a question, does ANYONE play as IWA Puerto Rico as i have little to no knowledge of them, the guy who was gonna help seems to fof taken the hump earlier in the thread and their site doesnt have a proper roster.

In other words, if i delete them , would they be missed by anyone?

[Ransik]

In all honesty, I wouldn't have noticed if you had deleted them and didn't say anything about it. ;)

Anyway, ran the new data you sent me last night. I'm not sure why but for the first 2 months it took over 3 minutes for each day to load, and then it finally dropped down to the usual 80-90 seconds... dunno if it was all the TV show slots you added or something else.

WWE dropped to Cult again... could just be worker stats, I have no idea.

[forlan]

What else were you running, all id done was removed B-Shows and made some peoples bios better :s

[Ransik]

Didn't have anything else running at the time except a game of Mahjong, that's why I thought it was so strange that it was taking that long.

[Von Dozier]

Just curious, but do you have a set time for when this will be coming out, or around? It's so hard to play TEW without real world rosters, my purchase depends on them :p

great job you're doing.. it's all very very much appreciated. once these are released, i'll be buying 07.

[Jonfun]

If you need an extra tester, I will be up for it. I have done testing work for other games.

[forlan]

Just curious, but do you have a set time for when this will be coming out, or around?

When the fiery ball is high in the sky!

[forlan]

Having a mess about with the IWS roster irts amazing how far down the ****hole theyve gone, Damians off on hiatus, LaSalle and Guppie left, Dru Onyx is back and the face and heel dynamic is all over the place. Typical Manny :p

[MrKain]

Heh, AKA, it's not coming out until at least March, probably. As it's already a good two weeks past his original idea.

I think I'm going to get a Wii before I ever get to play this... and that will end my TEW career for quite a while. :(

[potty]

Of course it wouldn't take long. However, it's questionable why a mod that claims to be "complete" is allowing personal biases to determine what is in and what is out of it.

If we're going to say WSX doesn't belong, why does CHIKARA belong in it?

What? I don't really see how you can compare the two federations. CHIKARA runs regular shows, it's owned by wrestling men like Quack, rather than a television company. Vastily different.

Sorry, I'm a CHIKARA Mark, I couldn't stand the thought of it not being in the mod!

[KaySeeDubya]

Just a question, does ANYONE play as IWA Puerto Rico as i have little to no knowledge of them, the guy who was gonna help seems to fof taken the hump earlier in the thread and their site doesnt have a proper roster.

In other words, if i delete them , would they be missed by anyone?

Well, I use to play as them back when they were on TV and followed it frequently. But ever since they got dropped I haven't followed them since so no, I won't really miss them.

[VampiroSpike]

it's owned by wrestling men like Quack, rather than a television company.

Yeah, 'cos Ted Turner never did anything with WCW :D

[Travis]

For the people that still don't think that WSX should be put in the game:

The promotion would be listed as Wrestling Society X. Date, February X, 2006(day of 1st Pilot show). For the roster, just use the people that are on the 1st season. Give them all PPA contracts(just about all of them wrestle for other companies). Make Kevin Kleinrock the owner, with Vampiro for the Booker. Create Brett Ernst, and have Kriss Kloss for the Announcers. As for the Bands, create them as angles with having a worker appear in some amount to complete the angle(Such as a worker coming out and watching a band play). Don't even bother on having a member of a band do commentary, because it would require creating them as workers in the game.

Now for the part that scares people. For the schedule. You have a 'weekly' series. It's a 30 minute show on MTV running with 4 seasons. So Until we have an option of taping more than 1 show in the same day, or over a coarse of an amount of days, we'll just make it a weekly show. For an optional, yet recommended choice, there's the WSXtra show, which is an Online show. You can still treat it as a TV show under the MTV network, or create it as an entirely new network.

The show(from Pilot episode perspective) will mainly consist of matches(about 60/40 or 70/30, with the WSXtra show be about the opposite (30/70, 40/60) to put over the storylines and the main show to have the matches.

As for popularity, I'd make them Cult(due to the fact they are the 3rd company that has nationwide exposure, but aren't bigger than TNA), with most of the popularity in the South West region. As for the amount of people that go to the shows. You can either run in a venue that will hold the amount of people their popularity will allow them, or create "The Bunker" and do all your shows there.
Similar to TNA, they run in the "iMPACT Zone" for their shows, but if they went on the road, they could easily draw more than 850 fans.

[tommytomlin]

And that's sweet, if you're playing AS WSX. But the majority won't, and if you make a cult-level fed that only runs 30 minutes a week with a roster of only two dozen guys, the AI is going to expand it automatically.

It will sign more workers, it will try and get another TV show, it will move from The Bunker after the first card, it will start running PPVs, it will expand itself to the point where WSX becomes just another fed.

As numerous people have said in this thread, WSX just cannot be simulated in the game.

[Michael Wayne]

As for popularity, I'd make them Cult(due to the fact they are the 3rd company that has nationwide exposure, but aren't bigger than TNA), with most of the popularity in the South West region. As for the amount of people that go to the shows. You can either run in a venue that will hold the amount of people their popularity will allow them, or create "The Bunker" and do all your shows there.

CULT? They can't even get wrestling fans to show up, they're PAYING people to be the audience. Just because a bunch of people KNOW about a fed, doesn't make it over. What makes it over is because the fans GIVE A ****. It takes more than general awareness to raise a fed's overness. If the fans don't tune in, don't buy tickets, does it gain popularity? no.

[Vladamire Dracos]

Personally, I'd make them a touring promotion running on tour during their taping month. They tape 13 EPs per season or so, right? So have them doing three shows a week (3 shows a week X 4 Weeks in the month= 12 shows total). Their TV show would be a highlight show in effect.

You might need to make MTV small enough that they'll not drop them. I'd personally make them a small level promotion (perhaps ready to break into the next level up), but it's size should be based on the size of it's roster. Most of their higher level workers should be most over in the South West where the promotion is located, so if they stay there the shows should do fine rating-wise, but I haven't tested it in-game to see if it can fly. That should solve the them wanting to start PPVs/Month ending event problem.

They can't even get wrestling fans to show up, they're PAYING people to be the audience.

And you've proof that they did this, other than an outdated biased fan report?

[Michael Wayne]

and you've got proof they didn't?

[Stevie F'n Swing]

Seriously...here's the solution.

People who want a fed featuring phiranas and fake explosions and cheesy electrocutions...add it in before you run the mod. It's not tough. I plan on adding my e-fed, personally.

Give WSX a rest...it's not really a topic worth discussion, and most of the "discussion" in and of itself has been completely off the wall as far as expectations go.

How about doing something productive, like suggesting storylines for me to add to the game?

[TEWSuperFan]

Don't be a dick head, just because WSX is has good wrestlers..not all the matches like have that retarded **** in them. WSX is a good fed...think of it as the modern day ECW..cause the WWE ECW sucks balls....

[Vladamire Dracos]

and you've got proof they didn't?

Argumentum ad ignorantiam isn't a sufficient defense. I don't need any proof, I'm not the one making the claim that they did like it was undeniable fact, now am I? Nice attempt to turn the question back on me. :) Let me guess, no proof to support your position?
I'll be happy to continue this in PM though, if you wish. We shouldn't derail forlan's thread with our off-topic argument. ;)

[Stevie F'n Swing]

Don't be a dick head, just because WSX is has good wrestlers..not all the matches like have that retarded **** in them. WSX is a good fed...think of it as the modern day ECW..cause the WWE ECW sucks balls....

Dude...two matches does not a modern day ECW make. And nothing WSX has now will ever match the line-up of talent that passed through ECW's doors.

But back onto the subject of the mod...here's what I have/am working on storyline wise, sans pics, because those are annoying.

Bang, Bang! You’re Dead! (Mankind/Dude Love/Cactus Jack vs. HHH)
But…I Wanted to Be on the Cover! (Trish vs. Christy Hemme)
Cheat 2 Win (Eddie vs. Chavo w/Ultimo Dragon)
I’m Your Biggest Fan! (Mickie James vs. Trish Stratus w/Ashley)
Don’t Hate Me Because They’re Black… (WGTT vs. Cryme Time)
I Ain’t the Lady to Mess With (Victoria vs. Mickie James)
I’m Hardcore! I’m Hardcore! (Cactus Jack vs. Tommy Dreamer)
Man of 1,004 Holds (Chris Jericho vs. Dean Malenko
Rap is Crap! (West Texas Rednecks vs. No Limit Soilders)
Waking the Hardcore Legend (Edge vs. Foley)
Wrestling Machine vs. Submission Machine (Angle vs. Joe)
You’re Driving Me Crazy! (Chavo vs. Eddie/The Saturn-Moppy Connection)

[ACCBiggz]

CULT? They can't even get wrestling fans to show up, they're PAYING people to be the audience.
Not entirely accurate. They are paying people to be in the audience, but 'hip', 'attractive' MTV type youth to attend. Because if they were to sell tickets or something to that effect, we know the types of people that may show up.

[forlan]

Cut the WSX talk, its NOT GOING TO BE IN

end of story

[Megaman0]

and you've got proof they didn't?

Well the absense of evidence is not the evidence of absense...

[fatallylost]

and you've got proof they didn't?

To put it in simpler terms then anyone else.

You can't prove a negative. I can prove that peanut butter sticks to the roof of your mouth. But, I can't prove that jelly hasn't cured cancer.

[forlan]

Try to stay on the topic in hand guys

[alvarez16]

Forlan or anybody with the data, could you please tell me the following settings for TNA?

Match Type AI Booking
1 vs. 1:
2 vs. 2:
3 vs. 3:
Triangle Match:
Four Way Match:

Match Ratio:

Expected Match Lengths
Minor Match:
Medium Match:
Main Match:

Match Intensity:
Match Danger:

Women's Wrestling: None or Divsion or Entire Promotion
T&A Levels: None or Low or High

Face/Heel Divide: None or Medium or Strong

Traditional:
Mainstream:
Comedy:
Cult:
Risque:
Modern:
Realism:
Hyper Realism:
Hardcore:
Lucha Libre:
Pure:
Daredevil:

I'm testing out some data I made but I am being told that the style im booking is not appropiate for my product.

Thanks

[forlan]

It could change before release as kinks need to be worked out but at the moment

Match Type AI Booking
1 vs. 1: 61%
2 vs. 2: 26%
3 vs. 3: 1%
Triangle Match: 6%
Four Way Match: 6%

Match Ratio: 50%

Expected Match Lengths
Minor Match: 5
Medium Match:10
Main Match:18

Match Intensity: 45
Match Danger: 30

Women's Wrestling: None (although obviously that will change if they begin the womens division)
T&A Levels: Low

Face/Heel Divide: Strong

Traditional: low
Mainstream: key
Comedy: med
Cult: low
Risque:med
Modern:med
Realism: v low
Hyper Realism: none
Hardcore:low
Lucha Libre:none
Pure:low
Daredevil:low

[alvarez16]

Thanks Forlan ;).

[Tree]

...when the network of MTV pulls the plug on it, so will go "WSX" where as an actual promotion would in most cases either find a new network or just run local shows.

um. no.

in the last days of WCW, Bischoff and others were trying to buy the company, to save it. but when it came to be that TBS (or whatever network was carrying it at the time) had cancelled the program's TV slots, they realized they'd be buying a dead-in-the-water company with no TV, and they backed off.

and the rest, is history.

i have to admit i'm surprised to not see WSX as part of the game. it's one of three wrestling promotions in the United States on national television, and arguably on the biggest channel of any of them. i'm not gonna worry about it, just saying i'm surprised.

[forlan]

um. no.

in the last days of WCW, Bischoff and others were trying to buy the company, to save it. but when it came to be that TBS (or whatever network was carrying it at the time) had cancelled the program's TV slots, they realized they'd be buying a dead-in-the-water company with no TV, and they backed off.

and the rest, is history.

i have to admit i'm surprised to not see WSX as part of the game. it's one of three wrestling promotions in the United States on national television, and arguably on the biggest channel of any of them. i'm not gonna worry about it, just saying i'm surprised.

Exactly, thats why in the game, with a roster of mostly indy stars youd either need to put them much too over or the show would get canned in a couple of weeks

[gingarob]

I agree with Forlan, it would be pretty pointless putting WSX in the game imo, probably won't last long anyway.

Keep up the good work man! :)

[potty]

Yeah, 'cos Ted Turner never did anything with WCW :D

Hah, yeah. Valid point. Still, you get what I mean I'm sure :)

[potty]

Dude...two matches does not a modern day ECW make. And nothing WSX has now will ever match the line-up of talent that passed through ECW's doors.


Yeah man, WSX has no one to beat the likes of 911 & The Pitbulls :confused:

ECW gets looked on with far too rosey memories. It was nice stuff at the time, but man, it was not that amazing. And WSX does have good talent, especially for the product they are putting out there, which is a 30 minute spotfest show with lots of crazy over the top stupid stuff. Guys like Matt Sydal for instance.

[forlan]

Before anyone says, yes ive seen the video wire, and yes i know that Joe's last ROH match will be the second UK night.

[ScottishRaven]

is this released yet?

if it is what page is the download on?

[Stevie F'n Swing]

Yeah man, WSX has no one to beat the likes of 911 & The Pitbulls :confused:

ECW gets looked on with far too rosey memories. It was nice stuff at the time, but man, it was not that amazing. And WSX does have good talent, especially for the product they are putting out there, which is a 30 minute spotfest show with lots of crazy over the top stupid stuff. Guys like Matt Sydal for instance.

Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Shane Douglas, Taz, Rob Van Dam, Cactus Jack, Raven, Rey Mysterio Jr., Psicosis, Super Crazy, Tajiri, Too Cold Scorpio, Steve Austin, Brian Pillman...the list goes on.

Yeah man, WSX can't compare to that. At all.

[Stevie F'n Swing]

and arguably on the biggest channel of any of them. i'm not gonna worry about it, just saying i'm surprised.

Statistically speaking, USA Network is the biggest cable channel on TV, followed by the Disney Channel.

[Ransik]

MTV's average rating for all programming is about half of what TNA Impact gets every week... so I don't see how the channel is all that spectacular.

[StefanGrey]

is this released yet?

if it is what page is the download on?

Not that I've seen. I'd assume a new topic will be made when it is released so that we don't have to scan through 150 pages of posts to find it.

[ScottishRaven]

while i remember r u still looking for BCW and SWA stuff?

i know a few ppl thats wrestled in both promotions, an im hopin to go train with SWA soon.

anythin u need i can ask around

[forlan]

SWA has been done and BCW is being done by blasphemy i think although he aint mentioned them for a a while

[Ransik]

I'm up to 22 New Promotions thus far. I'll be working on more until the weekend... just a pain to think of new concepts and names but I'm getting there.

And before anyone says anything... forlan is working on the game data... forlan is the one releasing it... so no I do not know when it's coming out. :D

[ScottishRaven]

have u got the updates from the show on the 27th?


also what about PBW?
its becoming a more popular promotion in scotland.

and theres ICW which is Scotlands new hardcore promotion, a few of the swa/pbw/bcw guys wrestle there.

[forlan]

Two Scottish promotions will be enough

[TsuMirren]

oi Raven, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeurrup :)

[Fanku Kaibutsu]

For those of you with the beta data, I'm wondering: When the WWE falls to cult, are they still maintaining a profit? Also, has anyone tried playing as WWE to see how well their popularity does?

[still71]

Exactly, thats why in the game, with a roster of mostly indy stars youd either need to put them much too over or the show would get canned in a couple of weeks


That's exactly what happened in the game I'm playing now (an 05 mod I converted and modified to my liking) although it took about a month. But WSX never got above a 0.00 rating. Also Impact was cancelled by the end of the first month as well.

[still71]

Not entirely accurate. They are paying people to be in the audience, but 'hip', 'attractive' MTV type youth to attend. Because if they were to sell tickets or something to that effect, we know the types of people that may show up.


That's just how MTV does EVERYTHING. They're "reality" dating shows are stocked with aspiring actors and hired extras. I know people who have been on them. MTV is the fakest network out there. It can be argued that there's more real people on the cartoon network! :)

[Ransik]

Actually, most if not all reality shows do that. They hire people who want to break into the entertainment business in hopes that they will churn out a new mega-star. Why bring some fat guy who watches TV all day when you can hire a professional model or n aspiring actor? Plus, a lot of reality shows will and have scripted things to bring in viewers... Big Brother has done it more than once. Others will just tell someone on the show to create a situation and stir up the controversy so people will want to watch it. Because let's face it... if you put half a dozen people who don't know each other in the same house and leave them completely alone... NOTHING is going to happen.

Anyway, back on topic. Yes Fanku, in the test runs I've done for forlan the WWE still maintains a profit and sometimes they did get back to International... but they end up with the strangest Main Eventers I've ever seen... guys who will become bigger than HBK or Hulk Hogan. Danny Doring did in one run... had incredibly crappy skills but was the most over person in the world. Another time Dave Taylor made his way to the Main Event along with Paul London.

Yes folks... the WWE was booking Paul London over Undertaker, Khali, HBK... you name it. I know the AI doesn't take size into consideration but I just found it funny to see.

[xthesiknessx]

That's just how MTV does EVERYTHING. They're "reality" dating shows are stocked with aspiring actors and hired extras. I know people who have been on them. MTV is the fakest network out there. It can be argued that there's more real people on the cartoon network! :)

i never thought such a nonsensical scenario could ever make so much sense. possibly the most true thing i've ever heard.

[Fanku Kaibutsu]

Yes folks... the WWE was booking Paul London over Undertaker, Khali, HBK... you name it. I know the AI doesn't take size into consideration but I just found it funny to see.

Is there no way to change an AI's booker's strategy like in TEW 2004? I see a way to change hiring preferences, but nothing about booking.

[Blasphemywebleed]

BCW has been done but the data is on my laptop which is dead, i have a backup at my parents and im going through there on saturday so il get it to you then.

Edit: Should have added that I dont have any pics with the data as i Cant cut pics to save myself. I have made them a local promo, and the stats for all the wrestlers are from my opinion so if they can be adjusted accordingly.

[djthefunkchris]

Is there no way to change an AI's booker's strategy like in TEW 2004? I see a way to change hiring preferences, but nothing about booking.

That would be under product, as well as under Owner/booker bias (for example, Hiring style "Looks", "Potential" etc.

[Tree]

MTV's average rating for all programming is about half of what TNA Impact gets every week... so I don't see how the channel is all that spectacular.

perhaps. but WSX's rating this week topped TNA's...

not arguing it should be in the game, because it's strictly Forlan's decision.

but the rating was fairly decent.

[dj_gir]

perhaps. but WSX's rating this week topped TNA's...
...Thanks to the fact that Impact was on a different night and time, which was barely advertised or even mentioned. Also, keep in mind that this was WSX's first episode, and that Impact in its normal time slot has been averaging a 1.2 for the past few weeks. Anyway...

Question: How come HUSTLE never makes the real-life data? I'm not complaining, nor am I hinting that I want it in there. I'm just curious.

[forlan]

HUSTLE HUSTLE HUSTLE!!!!! (Hip Thrusts)

Anyhoo, mainly due to the fact the roster is never usually that constant as people work as different people under different masks for one, its confusing.

[Ransik]

30 New Promotions and counting.

You know, Babelfish is excellent for those hard to do Mexican promotions. :D

[Ransik]

Sorry to double post, but I think I have the solution to WSX. I'll put it under New Promotions with a reasoning behind it.

[djthefunkchris]

...Thanks to the fact that Impact was on a different night and time, which was barely advertised or even mentioned. Also, keep in mind that this was WSX's first episode, and that Impact in its normal time slot has been averaging a 1.2 for the past few weeks. Anyway...

To be fair though, they received a 1.0 rating (WSX), which was much higher then what they thought they would get. Have no idea if this is going to be the norm or not, but they opened alot of "actual" promotions eye's, kind of makes one think a little....

WSX themselves say they are not a "real" wrestling promotion... Just to make that clear. However, they will tour, have PPV's, etc... so, I don't know. I say they are just a live version of "Celebrity Deathmatch"... myself.

However, if their ratings become stable... your looking at this ranking..

WSX 1.0
TNA 1.2
ECW 1.4
Smackdown 2.4
Raw 4.2

So there could be reason to watch them, see what happens.

[Ransik]

I don't expect WSX to hold ratings like that. Most of the viewers I would assume were from the IWC... being as close to TNA's ratings as they were. Unless they can actually find something to hold the interest of the fans I don't think they're gonna maintain that rating, cause after seeing it last night it's not impressing me one bit.

[Brandon9967]

I'm with you Ransik. I watched it and was very unimpressed. The whole show is a huge spotfest, and the announcing and announcer are all annoying.

I would say it's a good idea to leave WSX out. Just not a big enough promotion, I mean if you chose WSX it would be more fun to start your own fed. But I am sure there will be those who edit it in. To each his own, can't please everyone.

[TsuMirren]

Could grab that whole braindead idiot Jackass demographic!

[raynefall007]

Pretty sure that's what they are shooting for considering they had to use a similar disclaimer at the beginning of the show.

[forlan]

Could grab that whole braindead idiot Jackass demographic!

Do you not check your emails or just not reply to them <_< XD

[Ransik]

I e-mailed you the New Feds file forlan. Ended up with 38 new promotions total. There's 4-5 in each region outside the US and the rest are all in the states.

[TsuMirren]

Do you not check your emails or just not reply to them <_< XD

Sorry bud, I have a wee list of minor edits. I'm at the stage where I need to do a proper test run and work has been leaving me like a zombie at nights the past week or so. Will probably do an auto click run of one year whilst watching the rugby at the weekend.

[forlan]

Cool god stuff *Goes back to watching skins*

[Sons of Kohral]

WSX while having cool talent seems to be lacking ALOT. And i hate the crowd. They're annoying. All those random focuses to them trying to look impressed and cool. Nah. That's not cool.

Oh, and the mod seems like its shaking up to be awesome! been following the progress since page 12!

[Michael Wayne]

some interesting notes about WSX.

* In comparison to other established wrestling-based programs, Hart said it is "up in the air" as to what fans believe overall if the MTV project was a good enough show as a 30-minute endeavor. He uses fast food restaurants as an example to express his point. To listen to the interview, Click Here.

* Said the WSX project has a lot of guys who are very hungry, have street credibility and are looking to make it into WWE one day when they are good enough.

* In reference to the WSX debut show that featured a Battle Royal, Hart said former ECW Extremist Justin Credible was a nice guy, but he thinks Credible was on a "crack pipe" before the match.

* Said Justin Credible was released and will not be featured on WSX shows in the future. According to Hart, the former ECW Extremist had botched a couple of spots."I'm about perfection," said Teddy Hart. He felt it was an entertaining match, but it could have been better.

* Said he has no control over the matches until the second or third season of the project. At that point, he will be able to apply his input to better use.

* Due to Music Television (MTV) being afraid to show him anything, Hart said he had to steal a copy of the highlight reel and some of the matches. About a month ago, Hart said he went to L.A. to check on everything, thus he was able to grab a copy.

* "I really didn't like the editing," said Teddy Hart. He saw the project on a 35-inch screen and said that it is a work in progress. Mentioned the project is also in HD, with very nice cameras and a good looking staff.

* On the opening match between Matt Sydal Vs. Jack Evans, Hart said Evans was hurt for the match. Due to staff not knowing how to film wrestling as a product, Hart mentioned the match went under a total of eleven changes resulting from the pace of the match.

* Twenty minutes into the match, staff realized the importance of having a hard camera (wide shot of the in-ring action). That occurred after the Sydal Vs. Evans match was done five times to acquire better shots. Hart also gives kudos to WWE's production staff. To listen to the interview, Click Here.

* Hart believes it was the seventh match in a row they did before a studio audience for season one.

* The new audience brought in for season two were "mostly real fans that wanted to stay in line and some paid audience that were sitting there," said Teddy Hart.

* For the pilot show, most attendees were paying fans. Meanwhile, other shows that will filmed all at once were attended by bus riders who didn't have to pay, and just wanted to see the product. They were used to help create the overall crowd atmosphere.

[juggaloninjalee]

I personally think a WSX promotion would be good for the game and could make for an interesting diary with the booker trying to persuade TV and music people what fans really want to see.

[forlan]

Add it yourself then!

Not trying to be rude but every day i come on and theres more about WSX, let it go it wont be in because of many reasons already outlined. Any more WSX talk and i'll ask Adam to close the thread

[Brock-123]

I don't want WSX in it, i really wouldn't care though as id never use them.. can't wait for this forlan.

[MrKain]

Believe me... the term "can't wait for this" makes no sense anymore... as I've said it a few weeks back, and I'm realizing that I HAVE waited for this, and am STILL waiting for this.

Damn.

I never knew computer programs could have dust on them.

[Blacknwhite]

Believe me... the term "can't wait for this" makes no sense anymore... as I've said it a few weeks back, and I'm realizing that I HAVE waited for this, and am STILL waiting for this.

Damn.

I never knew computer programs could have dust on them.


good for you, wait for it like the rest of us

[Nigelfuji]

If you guys find out how to keep WWE from sinking to Cult status and below (I think you have, but I'm not entirely sure), let me know how, please. I have my own converted data that I'm trying to make accurate, but no matter what I do, WWE just sinks.

[The Stallion]

If you guys find out how to keep WWE from sinking to Cult status and below (I think you have, but I'm not entirely sure), let me know how, please. I have my own converted data that I'm trying to make accurate, but no matter what I do, WWE just sinks.

Take a look back a few pages to the stuff that Adam posted about the data. Everything he said rings true and so far in my testing the WWE has not dropped in size yet.

[Nigelfuji]

Right. Sorry for the repeated question without reading into it, I'll do some more tweaking based on the recommendations.

[svrkev]

has a beta for this game been released. If it was can somebody give me a link to it

[KaySeeDubya]

No.

[ScottishRaven]

oi Raven, sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeurrup :)


STALKER :P

[TsuMirren]

Those charges were dropped and I'll have my solicitor onto you presently. :)

[cyberkitten01]

has a beta for this game been released. If it was can somebody give me a link to it

Yes, a closed beta. There will be no public beta

[King of Dissent]

... There will be no public beta

^^ if anything at all ;)... just kidding, so no offends here, bu it's funny to see this thing going a "duke nukem forever" way somehow :D

[The Stallion]

^^ if anything at all ;)... just kidding, so no offends here, bu it's funny to see this thing going a "duke nukem forever" way somehow :D

Dont worry guys, Im not Forlan but I can tell you that it WILL be released. He is just taking his time to make sure it is perfect for everyone. Dont get discouraged by the long wait, its going to be well worth it, trust me. Im not knocking on any of the other real life mods, but most of them feel like rush jobs other than DOTT. Forlan wants to make sure that we have an acuarate mod as possible and I for one thank him for it.

[MrKain]

War's End 2001 doesn't really feel like a rush job. It just has a way smaller roster of wrestlers and companies, mostly based in the US and Japan. It's what I'm using to bide my time until T-Zone comes out.

I hope that's soon, though. Really, really soon.

[bigjabbadudley]

you and me both mate but like evryone else lets just bide our time to get the perfect mod rather than a rush job

[tommytomlin]

Dont get discouraged by the long wait, its going to be well worth it, trust me. Im not knocking on any of the other real life mods, but most of them feel like rush jobs other than DOTT. Forlan wants to make sure that we have an acuarate mod as possible and I for one thank him for it.

Considering there's only been four other real life mods released (including one straight conversion), which ones specifically feel like rush jobs?

[The Stallion]

Considering there's only been four other real life mods released (including one straight conversion), which ones specifically feel like rush jobs?

Not trying to step on any toes or anything but I personally have not played any other real life mods yet but Ive heard that the others have certain problems, especially in the overness portion. Not saying that they cant be fun or a good alt, but I would rather someone take the time to get a fantasic mod out. Sorry to make the others sound like crap when the obviously are not.

[TEWSuperFan]

How many people are in the game total? I'm guessing from over 2,000. Can't wait for this to come out btw.

[Michael Wayne]

probably, although when it comes out, I'll end up cutting it down to about 1,000.

[MrKain]

The intial post said 3,300 people in the game.

[Ransik]

Yes, there is a bit over 3,300 in the game.

[ilovebarbu]

3,300 ... must be one heck of a loading time lol ... Hopefully Core2Duo and 2Gig's of DDR2 are ready to fight :D

[bigjabbadudley]

almost same spec here mate. hated it with last game and my old computer, took 3-5 min each day loading time lol

[y2jbrock]

Whats the percent of completion now?

[TEWSuperFan]

My computer only took a long time to load on the first day...but that was mostly because all the other federations cut down there rosters, but some how I think 2007 will keep most of the feds rosters intact

[pete]

good thread, strong content

[djthefunkchris]

Considering there's only been four other real life mods released (including one straight conversion), which ones specifically feel like rush jobs?

Although he didn't exactly say this, but I think the only other mods one can really, reliably count on are from 2005.. Meaning, it's way to early to really tell how a mod will stand up longevity wise, without actually playing it long... LOL.

Your's and DOTT seem to be stable from the comments I've been reading. Every Mod has flaw's on release from what I've seen, and good Mod Maker's always go back and get stuff that was overlooked or not just quite right.

The only way to make sure everything is for sure, without a doubt, error free... is to run every promotion, do every storyline, check all locations, etc. etc.. and even then there is a chance you might forget to hit something, and it will be that thing that is wrong, or needs tweaking.

Don't sweat the small stuff (or the big really, lol).

[xthesiknessx]

i'm sure people will post corrections if anything seems to be wrong. if people are really that worried about it being accurate they can always just read the topics and fix it themselves. or at least that's what i would do.

[gmsubzer]

I always have loved these games and the files released from T-zone. But I alway felt like there wasn't much in the Mid Atlantic to go off of. I was wondering how that is going to be dealt with this go around? I know there isn't much to go off of except maybe ECWA which is in the game. But over the last two years I have been following two feds here in Maryland I would like to see in the game. The rebirth of MCW; Maryland Championship Wrestling; has happened and then the EWA; Eastern Wrestling Alliance; has started up in the last two years. I was just wondering if these two feds are going to be there or if you are maybe looking for someone to do these feds. I would be more then happy to go ahead and build the two feds and send them two if you like.

[forlan]

No offence but EWA in particular arent talented, most of them are CZW trained and theres good people like Gulak, Sumner and to an extent Hyde. But then you have Blood, Kylie Pierce etc who cant wrestle

[gmsubzer]

Pretty much agree on that one. Just thought I give it a shot. And one of there students that could wrestle isn't there anymore. So eh.

So no MCW then?

[forlan]

I forgot to mention Ryan McBride who is obviously getting added due to increasing work in CZW, same for Greg Excellence possibly.

I'll see what i can do about MCW, all but a couple of the workers are already in the data so should be easy.

[gmsubzer]

aight thanks man. His tag team in EWA at the last show with Teddy Stigma was pretty good. Hell the last two matches they were involved with could have won match of the year. But the red necks here voted for Dj Hyde vs The bruiser the brawl two.

anyway after his last match I heard him say something about feeling numbness in his left arm.

[ScottishRaven]

Those charges were dropped and I'll have my solicitor onto you presently. :)

again!!!


just stop appearing everywhere i am it'll all be fine lol

[xthesiknessx]

speaking of some feds missing, there's a fed up in michigan who i think should REALLY be put into the mod. just like gmsubzer offered, I can make the fed and the workers who aren't already in the database for you and just send you the files. anyway, the fed is Price Of Glory up in Coldwater, Michigan. They have an awesome roster and i think they would make a great fit. if you want to put them in let me know and i can give you all the stuff you'd need for them.

www.dansevern.com/pogwrestling.shtml

[cyberkitten01]

probably, although when it comes out, I'll end up cutting it down to about 1,000.

Just curious, but are you cutting it down to just WWE, TNA and ROH? Or something more sinister? If so I'm sure one of the other mods is more to your liking. I thought people liked T-Zone for it's completeness and accuracy

[TEWSuperFan]

It's his choice to cut it down...if he doesn't want to play with all those people. I think having that many wrestlers puts..varitey out there in the wrestling world of TEW.

[TsuMirren]

I think you'll find it is you who is following me around everywhere I go...albeit on a burnt path as I'm such a trailblazer!!!! hahahaha

[cyberkitten01]

It's his choice to cut it down

Oh I totally agree, but what I'm curious of is why wait for T-Zone to cut it down to 1000? Why not choose a mod that's already out with far fewer workers to remove? Seems like making an awful lot of work for yourself. If he's removing WWE, TNA and ROH and playing the Indys then I think T-Zone is right. If he's just playing Japan then there's already a mod out for that. If he's just playing the main wrestling stars, I don't see why it's worth waiting for T-Zone to do that

[MrKain]

Actually, I do have a question for the people testing...

How long is load time between days? From what I've seen with the War's End 2001 mod is that it's a short amount of time, but that's with far less amounts of federations and workers...

[Ransik]

Depends on your processor and RAM.

No clue what my processor is but with 512 MB of RAM it takes about 75 seconds after the first week.

[MrKain]

Hmmm... I have a 2.6GB P4, and 1G of RAM. So I should be decent, hopefully.

[forlan]

After first week i get 15-25 secs usually unless its a busy day, im on 2GB P4 3.4Ghz Dual Core Hyper threading

[gingarob]

After first week i get 15-25 secs usually unless its a busy day, im on 2GB P4 3.4Ghz Dual Core Hyper threading

How do I put this nicely? ...I HATE YOU :p

I'm on 1.6Ghz and 512Mb :(

[Harmor]

15-25 seconds sounds fairly nice. I have a similar machine to yours Forlan, P4 3.6 Ghz, 2 GB Ram (ATI 1900 XTX w/512 MB Video Ram.. had to add that while we are measuring e-peen size ^^) so it'll be good :p ... how many workers in total are there going to be in the mod?

[forlan]

lots

[The Gaz]

After first week i get 15-25 secs usually unless its a busy day, im on 2GB P4 3.4Ghz Dual Core Hyper threading

I get those times with AMD64 3800+ 2.6ghz & 1gb ram. AMD will always rule in game processing. AMD 4 life.

[Ransik]

Well don't you guys just suck?

Shoulda waited for my tax return and got a good tower like that. :(

[forlan]

I get those times with AMD64 3800+ 2.6ghz & 1gb ram. AMD will always rule in game processing. AMD 4 life.

Unless a tester has handed over the data to you, you cant say what you "get"

[D16NJD16]

I don't in fact have the TEW 07 version of T-Zone, but last years always took about 3 minutes on my computer.

[HHUK]

I get those times with AMD64 3800+ 2.6ghz & 1gb ram. AMD will always rule in game processing. AMD 4 life.

It's because the AMD processors are alot better built, dual core versions too.

Intel's first attempt at dual cores (like the one Forlan is using) was quite terrible, it had "power" (higher clock speeds) numerically but couldn't use it properly, that's why you'll see the newer Core 2 Duo chips have lower clock speeds but run alot faster. They're also more durable and can overclock by quite alot (One in particular (a fan favourite) has been known to remain stable while being overclocked by 40%).

I'd still choose AMD any day though. I'm running with 2gb RAM and have never experienced any jitteryness in video games, despite this I'll be upgrading to 4gb RAM very soon and I expect to cut through TEW07 like a warm knife through butter.

[forlan]

It's because the AMD processors are alot better built, dual core versions too.

Intel's first attempt at dual cores (like the one Forlan is using) was quite terrible, it had "power" (higher clock speeds) numerically but couldn't use it properly, that's why you'll see the newer Core 2 Duo chips have lower clock speeds but run alot faster. They're also more durable and can overclock by quite alot (One in particular (a fan favourite) has been known to remain stable while being overclocked by 40%).

I'd still choose AMD any day though. I'm running with 2gb RAM and have never experienced any jitteryness in video games, despite this I'll be upgrading to 4gb RAM very soon and I expect to cut through TEW07 like a warm knife through butter.

Well, i've never had problems with mine to be honest, whereas my friend has got a Core 2 Duo and it overheats A LOT. I'm happy with my Pentium 4 Dual Core to be honest.

But the main point, for all the supercomputer you might have, you do not have the data so in that respect i win. Now can people get this more on topic rather than useles posts like the above that belong in the dog pound.

[sportsfan77]

when will this be relased

[TEWSuperFan]

when Forlan releases it, he wants to make it perfect for everyone and for himself. When, its ready to be out it will be out.

[tommytomlin]

You know.. maybe if this thread wasn't 100 pages, we wouldn't have 20 pages of people asking if it's out...

[Michael Wayne]

Well, i've never had problems with mine to be honest, whereas my friend has got a Core 2 Duo and it overheats A LOT. I'm happy with my Pentium 4 Dual Core to be honest.

But the main point, for all the supercomputer you might have, you do not have the data so in that respect i win. Now can people get this more on topic rather than useles posts like the above that belong in the dog pound.

this is what awaits you when we stay on topic lol..

when will this be relased

[Tree]

If he's removing WWE, TNA and ROH and playing the Indys then I think T-Zone is right.

ya know. that's really interesting. is there a way for me to "customize" this mod when it comes out, dropping WWE and TNA, and basically letting ROH, Chikara, CZW, and all the other indies compete for supremecy?

[MrKain]

Yeah, delete WWE and TNA from the info, and then let the data "right" itself by deleting the contracts to the said companies.

[Ransik]

My God... after watching ECW tonight I can see why the game data can't do a single thing to save the WWE from dropping to Cult. I've only read ECW results for several months and only seen 2 matches since August and I sat down and watched the entire program tonight.

Hour wasted where I could've been playing TEW or Roller Coaster Tycoon. I've never seen announcers and McMahon try to hype up so many green rookies and gyus who can't draw a dime (like Holly) like incredible threats and big stars.

If I went to a small Indy show that was booked like this I would've left before intermission, God awful...

Pertaining to the mod... I honestly don't even know forlan can change enough stats on WWE guys enough so the company doesn't flounder from what I witnessed tonight... more so I don't understand why people always get on my case about ECW being entertaining. Bah... I think when the data is officially released if I ever play as WWE I'll just trash the ECW brand and it's TV slots.

[Michael Wayne]

Just curious, but are you cutting it down to just WWE, TNA and ROH? Or something more sinister? If so I'm sure one of the other mods is more to your liking. I thought people liked T-Zone for it's completeness and accuracy

true, but imo and like you said, others like it, personally, I'm not fond of having every little nook and kranny fed in the game. Anything more than 15 - 20 is too much between North America and Canada. Even 20 is stretching it. As for the workers, I'm talking mainly complete unknowns with an overness <10 or no skills at all. Not only does it increase my loading times, but it's an overall database clutter. The AI never hires half the deadbeat unemployeds anyways, so what's the real point?

It sounds like I'm complaining about a lot, but it's really minor nuicences. And one of the things I had fun with in 04' was importing the Cornellverse data in the real world data and lettin' the "chaos begin".

[svrkev]

My God... after watching ECW tonight I can see why the game data can't do a single thing to save the WWE from dropping to Cult. I've only read ECW results for several months and only seen 2 matches since August and I sat down and watched the entire program tonight.

Hour wasted where I could've been playing TEW or Roller Coaster Tycoon. I've never seen announcers and McMahon try to hype up so many green rookies and gyus who can't draw a dime (like Holly) like incredible threats and big stars.

If I went to a small Indy show that was booked like this I would've left before intermission, God awful...

Pertaining to the mod... I honestly don't even know forlan can change enough stats on WWE guys enough so the company doesn't flounder from what I witnessed tonight... more so I don't understand why people always get on my case about ECW being entertaining. Bah... I think when the data is officially released if I ever play as WWE I'll just trash the ECW brand and it's TV slots.

lol I'm going to trash most of the guys on the ECW roster and just steal guys from other companies to be on the ECW brand.

[forlan]

when will this be relased

It's out now but only people with over 100 posts can see it, get spamming kiddy winkle

[The Stallion]

It's out now but only people with over 100 posts can see it, get spamming kiddy winkle

Thats just wrong man. And yes I have not left yet. Sometimes the Navy just drives me NUTS!!!

[forlan]

Seems like you will never go, American military baffles me