T-Zone 2007 [Archive] - Page 9

flashmagic

03-27-2007, 02:04 PM

Id say from personal experience that the current British scene isnt all that different than the US indy scene. Theres about 30 or so full time companies scattered around the place (If you look hard enough theres literaly one in every town) and they draw on average between 100-3000 people per show. We also have a 24 hour wrestling channel on Sky Digital that gives several of these companies national exposure.

No one is drawing anywhere near 3000 people. Really ROH is the biggest consistent gate in the US on the indies & that maxes at around 1300-1500

And NWA Pro's convention shows in Vegas don't count as:
A) tickets were dirt cheap/free if you paid admittance to the fair
B) Santito was on the card in a predominantly Hispanic area.

Corey_Vandal

03-27-2007, 04:27 PM

No one is drawing anywhere near 3000 people. Really ROH is the biggest consistent gate in the US on the indies & that maxes at around 1300-1500

And NWA Pro's convention shows in Vegas don't count as:
A) tickets were dirt cheap/free if you paid admittance to the fair
B) Santito was on the card in a predominantly Hispanic area.

Im pretty sure All Star have drawn that number before. They mostly market to kids so if they put a show on near a couple of schools they draw huge. They're the biggest company in the uk (drawing wise) and probably europe.

Edit: I searched for the article about all star drawing 3000 but couldnt find it it, but i did find this quote from Ricky Knight, a promoter and highly respected member of the uk wrestling comuinity (I wouldnt hesitate in calling him the UKs Terry Funk):

In the first Fightmare wrestling spectacle, over 2000 people turned out at the Norwich Sports Village - but the hopes of local organisers is such that this event will attract around 3000 people.

thedraem41

03-27-2007, 09:09 PM

We still have nothing like WWE or TNA, but Im pretty sure you could argue that some companies are as big in Britain as RoH is in the US.

In my opinion ROH does a better job than the WWE or TNA. It should be about wrestling quality like you said, and not how much money they have behind it.

True wrestling fans find real wrestling.

Jasx12

03-27-2007, 09:19 PM

True wrestling fans find real wrestling.

Heh... real wrestling, heh.

But I'm glad you know what real wrestling is, so you might as well enlighten the rest of us. I'm as big a RoH fan as anyone out there, but people that put down the WWE saying it's not real wrestling and ROH is the only wrestling... well, that's why alot of people hate fans of ROH. It's different wrestling, not *REAL* wrestling. I'm also glad you know what a true wrestling fan is, since us that like the WWE must not be fans of true wrestling.

Ransik

03-27-2007, 10:49 PM

Personally I don't think people who like WWE are untrue fans... I just don't see why so many actually find it to be what pro-wrestling is.

Jasx12

03-27-2007, 11:04 PM

Why would you say they aren't what pro wrestling is?

The WWE defined pro wrestling for the world, after taking down the NWA. They were the first to make it big (along with WCW), and there's a reason they are on top. Pro Wrestling is a business, and there are many definitions. WWE IS Pro Wrestling (on the entertainment side), while ROH is Pro Wrestling in the US (on the more technical side). So someone doesn't like WWE? It's okay they still sell out WrestleMania, and alot of shows. So you don't like ROH? Big deal, they still go on the road and have a loyal fanbase. Pro Wrestling isn't one style.

If you want real unscripted matches with true athletes doing real moves, that's amateur.

TNA? Not close to pro wrestling ;) At least, not until they can figure out who's in charge of the craptacular booking, and get some real usage out of the true stars in their company (Joe, Styles, Daniels, Lethal, etc.)

Michael Wayne

03-28-2007, 02:28 AM

I'm also glad you know what a true wrestling fan is, since us that like the WWE must not be fans of true wrestling.

WWE has never been about wrestling.. EVER. Even during the 80's it was gimmicks, storylines, promos and guys loaded with charisma. Vince signs guys with the look. And no matter how much fans **** on it and say this and that about wrestling, deep down they crave it all. They're drawn to characters, which is why the WWE has been so successful. WWE isn't wrestling. It's drama with guys in tights in a ring. Steve Austin, hhh, Rock, Taker, Warrior, Hogan.... Those guys did very little wrestling if any at all. WWE is a soap opera for men.

And TNA is a 2nd rate soap opera that isn't even any good.

True wrestling fans find real wrestling.

true wrestling fans **** on the very product they grew up on because suddenly they think they know talent and know the business when in reality, unless they know someone in the business they don't know **** and are just marks arguing with other marks over who knows more.

Jasx12

03-28-2007, 02:47 AM

Nobody is saying who knows more. How's the view up there on that high horse though?

What is pro wrestling then, if you are so intelligent?

The Humanoid Typhoon

03-28-2007, 06:08 AM

It's drama with guys in tights in a ring. Steve Austin, hhh, Rock, Taker, Warrior, Hogan.... Those guys did very little wrestling if any at all. WWE is a soap opera for men.Taker has never been THE franchise player of the WWE. It went Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin/The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Triple H, John Cena/Batista.

Bret Hart, wrestling.
Shawn Michaels, wrestling.
Steve Austin, both.
Brock Lesnar, both.
Triple H, both.

Woodsmeister

03-28-2007, 06:12 AM

i would agree:

Taker has never been THE franchise player of the WWE. It went Hulk Hogan, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels, Steve Austin/The Rock, Brock Lesnar, Triple H, John Cena/Batista.

Bret Hart, wrestling.
Shawn Michaels, wrestling.
Steve Austin, both.
Brock Lesnar, both.
Triple H, both.

but Triple H was more forced down our throats from 2002-2004 than wanting to buy the ppv's cos he was on them.

The Humanoid Typhoon

03-28-2007, 06:13 AM

So have Cena and Batista. They were still the franchise.

TCP1

03-28-2007, 06:25 AM

WWE has never been about wrestling.. EVER. Even during the 80's it was gimmicks, storylines, promos and guys loaded with charisma. Vince signs guys with the look. And no matter how much fans **** on it and say this and that about wrestling, deep down they crave it all. They're drawn to characters, which is why the WWE has been so successful. WWE isn't wrestling. It's drama with guys in tights in a ring. Steve Austin, hhh, Rock, Taker, Warrior, Hogan.... Those guys did very little wrestling if any at all. WWE is a soap opera for men.

Er, I'm pretty sure I saw these guys doing some wrestling from time-to-time. In fact Austin, HHH and the Rock were pretty good at it.

But seriously, thanks for the slightly bitter "We're wrestlers and everyone else who watches has no idea what's going on, cos they've never been in the ring, yadda yadda yadda!"
Hey, without people talking about wrestling and paying to see shows, wrestlers would be nothing.

Wrestlers owe the fans absolutely everything that they are, so if we decide we don't like something, then we are more than entitled to voice our opinions!

DanB

03-28-2007, 09:35 AM

I totally agree with TCP1 there.

Ransik

03-28-2007, 01:09 PM

Capelli King

03-28-2007, 01:26 PM

Sorry to intervene the very interesting conversation about if WWE is wrestling or not, but has T-Zone been releast?

xthesiknessx

03-28-2007, 01:34 PM

not yet

darthsiddus2

03-28-2007, 01:50 PM

its not going to be if people ask if its been released..... keep it up and I'm sure you'll irk forlan enough into doing that.

DeleTe

03-28-2007, 02:41 PM

Like ROH is wrestling really. And say that they only focus on the matches is bull. They do segments like interviews and attacks. But hey, they had some of the best matches in recent years. Which I'm glad as hell for.

paulskln

03-28-2007, 02:59 PM

PeterHilton

03-28-2007, 03:37 PM

Corey_Vandal

03-28-2007, 03:56 PM

If I post the pictures, would anyone be able to help me out with around 35 picture cuts for the British workers Im doing?

Remember, the quicker I'm done, the quicker Forlan's done, the quicker this baby gets released!;)

If anyone wants to help me out just shout and I'll start hunting around for the pictures.

BIG L

03-28-2007, 05:46 PM

I could help out with the cuts if you want, send em to mrno@myway.com

forlan

03-28-2007, 05:52 PM

If no one else cuts them just send them raw to me with the rest of the stuff since i currently 63 to cut and roughly 500 already kykyed, obviously with the number to cut ever increasing until release.

Corey_Vandal

03-28-2007, 06:09 PM

Awesome, thanks guys!:) I'll try and collect them all up and stick them in a photobucket account so they're all in one place. Ive completed 30 british workers and aim to do 10 more (mostly french wrestlers), there'll be one fed, Triple X Wrestling, an adult/comedy/hardcore/cult company that runs in the Midlands, and a few venues.

Michael Wayne

03-29-2007, 04:27 AM

Nobody is saying who knows more. How's the view up there on that high horse though?

you don't visit wrestling forums much do you?

What is pro wrestling then, if you are so intelligent?

REAL wrestling is something most "fans" don't bother to follow...

amateur wrestling

PERIOD!

90% "smarks" are actually marks who just think they know more than everyone else about wrestling, but really they have no clue about the business other than what it's like to be a FAN and remember the past.

Jasx12

03-29-2007, 05:30 AM

Wow.

Yes, real wrestling IS amateur wrestling. PRO Wrestling (which we are talking about, and what my question was about, by the way) is any type of promotion. WWE is pro wrestling, TNA, ROH, NOAH, AJPW, NJPW, etc. are ALL pro wrestling.

Nobody denied anything about amateur wrestling not being real. They appeal to different crowds. I'm trying to make sense of your arguments, as you bring in non-valid points that you make big assumptions about that have nothing to do with the original points that were being made.

What does me and my habit of visiting wrestling forums have to do with this thread?

Quill

03-29-2007, 06:36 AM

What does me and my habit of visiting wrestling forums have to do with this thread?

What does this conversation have to do with T-Zone period? Sorry to butt in, but really - this topic is already 136 pages long, it doesn't need any more pointless conversations and/or arguments. Agree to disagree or take it elsewhere and get the thread back to keeping us updated on the progress on T-Zone.

darthsiddus2

03-29-2007, 09:38 AM

I agree this thread is becoming a whole bunch of nothing. if you guys want to discuss wrestling FACTS rumors there's a thread for that. the DOG POUND

ACCBiggz

03-29-2007, 06:54 PM

cappyboy

03-29-2007, 07:22 PM

This whole debate is pretty LOL. Pro rasslin started out as a carnival sideshow and simply grew in stature. There has NEVER been any promoter who put on shows out of some aesthetic imperative or need to display "real wrestling." That's laughable. The only reason promoters put on shows is to make money. Period.

A successful promoter is one who creates a product which can appeal to the fans. The more fans you appeal to, the more successful you are. Period.

Any kind of desire to see "real wrestling" or discussion about "what real wrestling is" was basically created by the IWC.

You know, Peter, the only thing I can really disagree with here is that last statement. I heard that talk long before I got got online in 1997. I've heard it usd to defend the benefits of Heyman's booking style in the original ECW. I heard it it reference in the early days of WCW as a way of setting them apart from the then-WWF. I heard it and may have even said it in reference to some of the indies I watched back in the late 80's. Curmedgeons (which I admit I can sometimes be) invented this "real wrestling" talk back when the territories started falling. The Internet's just given it new birth by allowing it a much broader stage.

cappyboy

03-29-2007, 07:54 PM

REAL wrestling is something most "fans" don't bother to follow...

amateur wrestling

PERIOD!

90% "smarks" are actually marks who just think they know more than everyone else about wrestling, but really they have no clue about the business other than what it's like to be a FAN and remember the past.

Great. I just get finished posting and another grabs my attention.

Anyway, let's be fair here to the "smarks". How often has freestyle wrestling really made an effort to break out of their shell and into the broad public consciousness? I can only personally remember one. And I caught it a few months ago. Looked in on this show called Real Pro Wrestling which was on the local indy cable channel here. What they real story is behind it I don't know. But it was essentially supposed to be a pro circuit for the freestyle guys. The one match I watched did seemed pretty solid and the producers did a pretty good job of drawing your attention to what scored points and why. But the broadcast personalities were absymal. They were so dull I couldn't watch more than 15 minutes of the show.

Now, I am no way suggesting they need to get Bobby Heenan and start running angles and totally sell out. Or that they needed Kurt Angle moonlighting. But surely some former competitor has the personality to do a decent broadcast. ESPN was able to get Eric Wynalda and Julie Foudy for their US Soccer telecasts after all. I can't speak for anybody else. But personally, if freestyle wrestling really wanted the kind of profile "rasslin" has, they'd make themselves a pro circuit that was instantly recognizable as such. Announce it with such pomp and circumstance that not even ESPN could ignore the event. And hopefully start off on a low-profile-but-still-available-on-basic-cable channel like Versus while they built cred. What your Internet smark would do I don't know. But give me a chance to catch some properly presented freestyle wrestling, I'll give it a fair shot.

forlan

03-30-2007, 10:29 AM

Calm down kiddywinkles and stay on topic

Anyhoo...i went out drinking last night with uni buddies etc to finish for easter so a lot more time can now go into the data.

On the Puerto Rico deal, TEWFan has done a great job and it's a pleasure to have the stuff in. Also CoreyVandal is working hard on the Midlands stuff and such so yeah woo, go team!

macosxjunkie

03-31-2007, 11:58 AM

I don't think eliminating angles, storylines and such are the WWE's problem... I think taking guys who can't get over, can't produce in the ring or on the mic or draw a dime ARE the problem along with 20 minute promos. I don't care if it's WWE, TNA, RoH, or the smallest Indy fed around. If you can't focus on wrestling than you're not exactly about professional wrestling. A perfect example is Ashley being given a match at Wrestlemania above Mickie and Victoria. It's not about who can draw or who can wrestle... it's about another blonde bimbo stripping and hoping to make another dollar off of it. They're not trying to reach out to the wrestling fans, they're trying to reach out to the Playboy fans and hope they can get a few of them to tune into Wrestlemania.

They haven't eliminated angles, storylines or anything. They have become stagnant and repetitive, but there are still storylines.

You apparently do not realize what wrestling is about. Wrestling is about making money, first and foremost. Andre the Giant couldn't really produce in the ring, more so towards the end of his career, and he certainly wasn't a great talker. However he had something else that sold people: his sheer size. Ashley is, in some peoples eyes, attractive. That sells, whether you want to admit it or not.

They are not trying to reach Playboy fans... they are just trying to reach people in general. The Playboy cover every year is not much different than any of the WWF's other attempts to get seen by the mainstream media. Frankly, had they not had Ashley on the PPV, they would have been idiots. Just like they would be idiots to have John Cena on a TV show promoting WrestleMania and then not having him on the show.

In ring talent just doesn't sell. It never has. The key is making people care about a talented wrestler, due to the ability to relate to them or through storyline. Bret Hart, early in his career, related to people because he was a smaller guy and seemed normal during a period when the WWF had tons of whacky characters. Eddie Guerrero, even without the charisma, related to the fans because he was human. He didn't get the run with the title because he was one of the best wrestlers of the last twenty years.

The WWF could put on a Pay Per View that had some of the best wrestling in the world. They have the roster and the talent. But they aren't going to risk a ****ty buyrate to prove to internet smarks that plain wrestling doesn't sell to a wide audience. Does it sell to a smaller niche audience in wrestling? Yup, but not large enough for the WWF to make a profit.

TheEdgeOfReason

03-31-2007, 05:35 PM

Can somebody tell me what page the screenshot is on please

forlan

03-31-2007, 05:48 PM

Sick of asking so here s a new one

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/1801/screeon3.png

just took it

Vladamire Dracos

03-31-2007, 06:01 PM

I just want to say forlan, that screenshot made my day, thanks! :D

jagilki

03-31-2007, 06:16 PM

So, How many peeps are in it? :)

Kidding, kidding... don't kill me.

xthesiknessx

03-31-2007, 11:30 PM

i like how you redid the buttons man. it looks really good. keep up the amazing work

forlan

04-01-2007, 12:31 PM

Something that just struck me today is that Blasphemywebleed never ever did do BCW Scotland, guess they will not be in then.

Corey_Vandal

04-01-2007, 01:51 PM

Ok, my ends looking close to being done, I was just wondering what sort of prestige people would agree with for championships for small/regional feds?

Im also debating wether or not just to make Leicester Pro Wrestling a fed, since their entire roster is there. I guess it just depends how Forlan and everyone else would feel about another UK Midlands small/regional fed? Would it just be cluttering up the database, or would people welcome the variety?

forlan

04-01-2007, 02:01 PM

forlan

04-01-2007, 02:11 PM

Just added worker 3500 to the data

THIS GUY

http://www.eccw.com/images/bios/gurvsihra.jpg

flashmagic

04-01-2007, 03:42 PM

Asylum an article on him from SLAM http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/2003/09/04/176157.html
Nick Watts his websitehttp://nickwatts.cjb.net/
Rip Impact His myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=59689214 & his websie http://www.ripimpact.cjb.net/
Ref Chris his myspace http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3873249

basic info for Matt Bison (height, weight, finishers, etc.) in his roster profile herehttp://www.livinglegendswrestling.com/roster.html & here http://nswwrestling.cjb.net/

forlan

04-01-2007, 04:14 PM

Thanks muchly :)

Dragula

04-01-2007, 05:34 PM

hey Forlan, i notice you put in 4 start injuries. Just curious as to who the four are...

forlan

04-01-2007, 06:00 PM

Matt Cappotelli - Brain Tumour
Joey Mercury - Cheek
Rey Mysterio - Knee
Triple H - Quad

alden

04-01-2007, 09:43 PM

are thier going to be more then four? I can think of alot more injurys right now.....take for instance bryan dainalson.....is he going to be injured in the game?

Dragula

04-01-2007, 10:04 PM

Matt Cappotelli - Brain Tumour
Joey Mercury - Cheek
Rey Mysterio - Knee
Triple H - Quad

thanks man! keep up the good work!

YeeeHaw83

04-02-2007, 12:48 AM

I take it from the increased posting of current status of this mod and also from some of the language being used that we are edging ever so closely to the release! This is good as T-Zone has always set the standard for real life mods in the TEW franchise...

Oh and I don't post on here regularly but do skim through from time to time to keep up on any new data dowloads that are available. However, I do see a lot of impatience from folks and quite a lot of impatience with their impatience.

My suggestion would be for those who intend to make a mod, "with the exception of proven mod-makers like T-Zone," should refrain from posting about it unless they're inquiring for help from other posters.

I can understand the fustration on both sides but I think it would be very helpful if we didn't have so many wanna be mod makers posting "Im gonna do this and that" all over the message boards... Not that we can stop it but it's just a suggestion to anyone attempting to make a mod. Don't make promises you don't intend to keep... Oh, and for the rest of us... Just wait for T-Zone it looks like it'll be worth it!

MrCanada

04-02-2007, 03:32 AM

Prestige on championships is prestige to the fed so main event titles high etc. The title prestige is not a worldwide thing, its promotion specific.

And like i sad before, more the merrier.

Today i've gotten UWA Hardcore 3/4 added except for the following people whom im struggling to get proper info on

Asylum
Blue Jabroni
MAtt Bison
Nick Watts
John Parker
Rip Impact
Ref Chris

I can get you all the info by tommorow. Actually had dinner with Rip not even a week ago. Wheres my horn? cause I felt like tooting it, haha. What info do you need?

Wrestler / Birthday / Finisher
Asylum / Feb 13, 1980 / Gore (impact) or Money Clip (impact) or TKO (impact
Blue Jabroni July 6, 1984 / Jabroni Death Lock (submission)
Matt Bison July 28, 1984 / Tiger Driver or Wrist Clutch Suplex or Lung Blower
Nick Watts July 13, 1984 / Watt Drop or 9000 Watts (both impact)
Rip Impact Dec 25, 1985 / Spinning Sit-Out Facejam somtimes called the Rip Chord and latley he's been using a "Double Bounce Sliced Bread" since he's wrestling larger workers

forlan

04-02-2007, 12:25 PM

are thier going to be more then four? I can think of alot more injurys right now.....take for instance bryan dainalson.....is he going to be injured in the game?

Bryan Danielson is currently wrestling for Pro Wrestling NOAH and has made appearances elsewhere recently, so he is not injured. Although Jimmy Jacobs long term layoff was added today.

forlan

04-02-2007, 12:27 PM

I can get you all the info by tommorow. Actually had dinner with Rip not even a week ago. Wheres my horn? cause I felt like tooting it, haha. What info do you need?

Wrestler / Birthday / Finisher
Asylum / Feb 13, 1980 / Gore (impact) or Money Clip (impact) or TKO (impact
Blue Jabroni July 6, 1984 / Jabroni Death Lock (submission)
Matt Bison July 28, 1984 / Tiger Driver or Wrist Clutch Suplex or Lung Blower
Nick Watts July 13, 1984 / Watt Drop or 9000 Watts (both impact)
Rip Impact Dec 25, 1985 / Spinning Sit-Out Facejam somtimes called the Rip Chord and latley he's been using a "Double Bounce Sliced Bread" since he's wrestling larger workers

Thanks

Corey_Vandal

04-02-2007, 12:36 PM

Ok, all Midlands workers are done, as well as LPW & TXW. I've decided to add ICWA in France as well since I didnt know how well populated the Euro scene would be, and they are probably the top French promotion at the moment. I know most of the roster, but I only spent a short amount of time over there, so Im just waiting for some basic info from the promoter and a couple of friends I have on the roster.

Forlan, could you possibly IM me with a list of European wrestlers? They use a lot of the top French, German, Dutch and Swiss workers, so theres a good chance you might have a good chunk of the roster done already.

forlan

04-02-2007, 12:49 PM

PM'd the list

paulskln

04-02-2007, 01:00 PM

mercedez martinez is out for about a year with shoulder surgery
rebecca knox is out with a head injury for about a year
lufisto has a back injury she may even be retired

forlan

04-02-2007, 01:05 PM

Rebecca Knox and LuFisto wre just chancged to On Hiatus because actual lengths of injuries couldn't be determined and Mercedes is still taking bookings and putting off surgery.

ThaAnswer

04-02-2007, 03:39 PM

What page can I find the Mod on here?

TheEdgeOfReason

04-02-2007, 04:10 PM

It's not out yet

ThaAnswer

04-02-2007, 04:17 PM

Oh ok thanks... Is there onw out now?

TheEdgeOfReason

04-02-2007, 04:23 PM

Yeah 1RC is out you can download it here [URL="http://www.bobinc.net/"].

ThaAnswer

04-02-2007, 04:30 PM

Ok thanks witch one have the real wrestler wwe,tna,dsw ect.

TheEdgeOfReason

04-02-2007, 05:16 PM

1 Ring Circus is the name http://bobinc.net/ follow the instructions and you'll get it

ThaAnswer

04-02-2007, 05:59 PM

thanks bro!

alden

04-02-2007, 08:58 PM

Bryan Danielson is currently wrestling for Pro Wrestling NOAH and has made appearances elsewhere recently, so he is not injured. Although Jimmy Jacobs long term layoff was added today.

i must be down on my roh knowledge.......did not know jimmy was hurt....as for bryan i thought he had a messed up shoulder....or was that just a work or is he ok now?

forlan

04-02-2007, 09:17 PM

He had a injured shoulder but is ok now and Jimmys injury was only announced today

praize1979

04-03-2007, 04:32 AM

my only thing is Bryan even Pure ROH anymore, since he keeps showing up on NWA website now days, wanting them to give him a title match for the title when TNA drops the NWA titles, which I think is a mistake on both, I think there should be a agreement to have title match for NWA title on there PPV, or something, like WCW to help keep the NWA in the limelight

I know I shouldn't ask but is there like a time frame on the update, I know I shouldn't ask just I trying to hold off on buying till there more of a up to date real world update.

forlan

04-03-2007, 06:24 PM

Just thought i'd update people, added many things today including the rather unique first ever lesbian relationship in the data.

TracyBrooksFan

04-03-2007, 06:28 PM

Just thought i'd update people, added many things today including the rather unique first ever lesbian relationship in the data.

LOL traci and ODB

forlan

04-03-2007, 06:30 PM

No, LuFisto and Stefany

shamelessposer

04-03-2007, 06:36 PM

LOL traci and ODB

Um...

Are you sure you know what "lesbian" means?

forlan

04-03-2007, 06:36 PM

I think he was trying to be funny

jimmy_shakerz

04-03-2007, 07:10 PM

No, LuFisto and Stefany

Lufisto is not lesbian. She is dating a guy named Hugo Roy who used to be a manager in the Montreal region under the name "Mr. Internet"

They have been dating for over 7 years

shamelessposer

04-03-2007, 07:15 PM

I think he was trying to be funny

Doi!

I should not respond to message board posts in the middle of modding. Not much of a "people" person at the moment.

forlan

04-03-2007, 07:23 PM

Lufisto is not lesbian. She is dating a guy named Hugo Roy who used to be a manager in the Montreal region under the name "Mr. Internet"

They have been dating for over 7 years

LuFisto is bisexual, she has both a boyfriend (Hugo Roy) and a girlfriend (Stefany) some would call her greedy lol

danembury

04-03-2007, 08:05 PM

LuFisto is bisexual, she has both a boyfriend (Hugo Roy) and a girlfriend (Stefany) some would call her greedy lol

I'd call her lucky...or him lucky..in either case...somebody's lucky *LOL*.

TracyBrooksFan

04-03-2007, 08:16 PM

Um...

Are you sure you know what "lesbian" means?

Traci and ODB (female wrestler OVW Jesisica Dqalton i believe her name is) lives together Traci has stated it many times in interviews and as far as i know both are female specially Traci

forlan

04-03-2007, 08:26 PM

so what, Allison Danger used to live with Lacey, Necro Butcher used to live with Hellaware Assassin and Chris Hero lives with Claudio Castagnoli. This by no means suggests that they have sex, Taci and ODB are not lesbians

shamelessposer

04-03-2007, 08:28 PM

Necro Butcher used to live with Hellaware Assassin

I'd pay a dollar to see that.

...

Don't you judge me!

(That bit about LuFisto is very interesting. Not only is she one of the very few openly bisexual members of the wrestling community, but she's also the only polygamous wrestler I've ever heard of. Go her!)

TracyBrooksFan

04-03-2007, 08:40 PM

jimmy_shakerz

04-03-2007, 08:44 PM

I'd pay a dollar to see that.

...

Don't you judge me!

(That bit about LuFisto is very interesting. Not only is she one of the very few openly bisexual members of the wrestling community, but she's also the only polygamous wrestler I've ever heard of. Go her!)

Cuz we know how to rock the party in Quebec!!

shamelessposer

04-03-2007, 08:45 PM

fine no need to get a attitude ill ask traci when i see her again

That's not forlan's attitude showing. You'll know when his attitude is showing because the ground starts shaking, the sky turns a lovely shade of red, and birds start flying into buildings.

forlan

04-03-2007, 08:50 PM

That post contained no attitude at all i was just stating the facts.

Anyhoo, talking about lufisto made me visit her myspace and a new blog was done yesterday with some great news regarding an in ring return

I took a bump!

Actually, I took a few bumps. On April 2nd, after 4 months out of action, I dared to wrestle again... Well, train.

I've been thinking about testing my back (wrestling wise) for a few weeks but there was always a reason for me to not go through the desire of knowing how bad my back was. I was scared to get hurt, scared of being out of shape and scared of not being as good as before. However, yesterday, I took all the courage I could find within my guts and went at the Torture Chamber to train with Dru Onyx and his kids.

Onyx was the man I could trust to get me back in the ring slowly and carefully. Coming back too soon is always a mistake wrestlers make and I just don't want to take any chances anymore. In fact, besides Onyx, I just don't trust anybody. Having trained a few wrestlers with him in the past, I know how he works and how he takes care of his students.

We started with cardio and strengh work... I was doing pretty good for an old lady with a "career ending injury". Then, my greatest fear... The bumps.

So I wouldn't damage my back, I started to do basic bumps on a crash mat, then two hands standing, then side bumps and flips. Everything was perfect so far so I was very happy. Then, I got dizzy and yes... I puked! Sweet... That's what 4 months of no bumping will get you... You forget to breathe just like a rookie, you go too fast, you get dizzy... And you run to the restrooms!

After a few minutes, I was ok as we started to work on kicks, punches and anything we can use in a match has hits. Of course, some of the trainees are bigger than me so when one of them punched me... I bumped on the training mats! Nothing felt wrong, nothing felt bad and most importantly... It didn't hurt.

I repeated the process several time without major problems. We worked on grappling and basic wrestling stuff.. And, oh did I made some mistakes, rookie mistakes. It's like learning all over again with new ways to work with a bad back, a new way to bump... Which makes you forget about basic stuff like closing your grip on your opponent and so on... Hopefully, things will get back to normal when I won't concentrate as much on protecting my back... Same as I did with my bad knee... Talk about being messed up!

Anyway, I'm going back to the Torture Chamber tonight and I can't wait! Of course, I won't eat as much and I will try to focus more on what I do. I guess time is the only thing I need now. Building my confidence again won't be easy and listening to my body will be even harder.

Besides being sore and tired, I am ok today. Let's just say it's one more step to recovery and one more step until I get back to doing what makes me feel complete.

Later guys... With more news about my training and... My new LONG, VERY LONG hair!! :P

LuFisto

Also here is a nice picture of Lufisto with Stefany

http://a123.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/51/m_411d5ca35c88d1b40e4ff16f09d44872.jpg

D16NJD16

04-03-2007, 10:10 PM

Lesbians used to be such a beautiful thing too..

Capelli King

04-04-2007, 03:51 AM

Is T-Zone out yet?

Jasx12

04-04-2007, 04:12 AM

No, forlan said a rough estimate (note: ROUGH) is mid-late April.

For the record, I would give some lovin' to LuFisto. She can bring a girl too.

Corey_Vandal

04-04-2007, 09:40 AM

Just a heads up that Colt Cabana's signed with WWE today, so you may want to stick him in OVW.
Oh, and Im hoping for my end to be done by the end of today.:D

forlan

04-04-2007, 09:49 AM

Already heard about Colt, in fact i was the one who posted about it in the Dog Pound and good news on your end nearly being done, i'm excited to see it :)

thedraem41

04-04-2007, 10:18 AM

I was just wondering, was the team able to get data extensive data from the European wrestling circuit?

xthesiknessx

04-04-2007, 10:23 AM

i'd old off on putting colt in ovw for now. with the roughly estimated being released in a couple weeks, it'll be at least about 2 months maybe for colt to actually head that way. he's still got his indy dates to finish. simply because it doesn't take any effort to add a guy into ovw. let people use him on the indies for now and when he heads to ovw people can just switch his contracts.

forlan

04-04-2007, 10:28 AM

Europe still isn't complete but its halfway there. As for Cabana, since all his indy dates will be finished by about early May I think its safe to say he'll be put in OVW but if people are so bothered itd take 1min before they startn to take him off.

forlan

04-04-2007, 10:49 AM

As a nice little thing, i thought id tell you the current plan as far as promotions.

United States

All Pro Wrestling - South West - Complete
Chaotic Wrestling - New England - 80%
CHIKARA - Tri State - 95%
Combat Zone Wrestling - Tri State - Complete
Deep South Wrestling - South East - 70%
East Coast Wrestling Association - Mid Atlantic - 60%
Full Impact Pro - South East - 90%
Heartland Wrestling Association - Great Lakes - 65%
Independent Wrestling Association Mid South - Great Lakes - 95%
International Wrestling Cartel - Tri State - Complete
IWA Puerto Rico - Puerto Rico - Complete
Jersey All Pro Wrestling - Tri State - 95%
NWA Anarchy - South East - 80%
NWA Shockwave - Tri State - 50%
Ohio Valley Wrestling - Great Lakes - 85%
Pro Wrestling Guerrilla - South West - 95%
Pro Wrestling Unplugged - Tri State - 90%
Ring of Honor - Tri State - Complete
SHIMMER - Women's Athletes - Great Lakes - Complete
Total Nonstop Action Wrestling - South East - Complete
USA Xtreme Wrestling - South East - 60%
World Wrestling Council - Puerto Rico - Complete
World Wrestling Entertainment - New England - Complete
World Xtreme Wrestling - Tri State - 70%

Possible Additions

Maryland Championship Wrestling
IWA East Coast
IWA Deep South
All American Wrestling (Danny Daniels' one)
Maybe Others

Canada

Blood, Sweat and Ears - Ontario - 75%
Extreme Canadian Championship Wrestling - British Columbia - 75%
International Wrestling Syndicate - Quebec - 90%
Montreal Wrestling Federation - Quebec - 90%
Northern Championship Wrestling - Quebec - 75%
UWA Hardcore Wrestling - Ontario - 80%

Possible Additions

Fédération de Lutte Québécoise
Association de Lutte Féminine
Pure Wrestling Association

Mexico

Asistencia Asesoria Y Administracion - Complete
Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre - 90%
Grupo Internacional Revolucion - 75%
Promociones Baja Tijuana - Complete

United Kingdom

All Star Wrestling - North - 70%
International Pro Wrestling United Kingdom - South - 90%
Scottish Wrestling Alliance - Scotland - 90%
Wrestle Zone Wrestling - North

Additions from Corey Vandal

Leicester Pro Wrestling - Midlands
Triple X Wrestling - Midlands

Possible Additions

Real Quality Wrestling
Three Count Wrestling

Europe

Nu Wrestling Evolution - 80%

Additions from Corey Vandal

International Catch Wrestling Association/Alliance

Possible Additions

Irish Whip Wrestling
Queens of Chaos
Westside Xtreme Wrestling

Japan

All Japan Pro-Wrestling - 95%
Big Japan Pro Wrestling - 90%
Dragon Gate Pro Wrestling - 90%
Dramatic Dream Team - 75%
KAIENTAI-Dojo - 80%
Michinoku Pro - 60%
New Japan Pro-Wrestling - Complete
Osaka Pro Wrestling - 50%
Pro Wrestling ZERO-1 MAX - 75%
Pro Wrestling KAGEKI - 40% (Considering Deletion as Tim Vickers was the knowledge on this and isn't around no more)
Pro Wrestling NOAH - 90%
Wrestling Marvelous Future - 75%

Possible Additions

Pro Wrestling SUN
Pro Wrestling El Dorado

Blacknwhite

04-04-2007, 11:24 AM

Forlan highly anticipating this will truly make tew07 a great game

The Godfather

04-04-2007, 11:35 AM

Is American Balloon gonna be in the game? :cool:

forlan

04-04-2007, 11:37 AM

Most likely yes

Corey_Vandal

04-04-2007, 12:03 PM

Is American Balloon gonna be in the game? :cool:
Lol:D Where would you start with American Balloon?!? High looks due to his unique look but low starpower due to the fact he'll never get taken seriously, or low looks due to the way he, well, looks, but high star power due to his uniqueness and ability to get over?

That boy just aint right!

Chriswok

04-04-2007, 03:37 PM

Lol:D Where would you start with American Balloon?!? High looks due to his unique look but low starpower due to the fact he'll never get taken seriously, or low looks due to the way he, well, looks, but high star power due to his uniqueness and ability to get over?

That boy just aint right!

Low Looks slightly higher then average superstar imo, we'll see what T-Zone does lol

xthesiknessx

04-04-2007, 09:45 PM

american balloon is so getting pushed to the moon in my game when this comes out. i can see it the results in my game now.....

wrestlemania main event: american balloon goes over on hydra for the wwe heavyewight championship

.......that would TOTALLY be worth the $50 to order it.

pat666

04-05-2007, 04:18 AM

It would be cool if you Add "Fédération de Lutte Québécoise" and "assosiation de lutte Féminin"

Since I'm a wrestler from FLQ...

:P

shamelessposer

04-05-2007, 07:16 AM

And FLI. I hear those crazy kids haven't been in any TEW data since RaveX stopped making mods. :D

TCP1

04-05-2007, 07:19 AM

And FLI. I hear those crazy kids haven't been in any TEW data since RaveX stopped making mods. :D

Phil Parent - 29 time World Champion.

forlan

04-05-2007, 07:47 AM

pm'd you Pat regarding some FLQ details.

Also to make this post not pointless I got a fantastic match file from corey Vandal as well as LPW, TXW and ICWA. So that fab, well done to Corey.

Also, anyone else see this www.thexpw.com - retrurning :s

shamelessposer

04-05-2007, 07:57 AM

Also, anyone else see this www.thexpw.com - retrurning :s

Y'know, I was just thinking to myself the other day.

"Self," I said, "The indy wrestling scene could use more crappy garbage wrestling. Hacks like New Jack have got to get bail money somehow. And that Rob Black guy seemed like an upstanding citizen, too. We could use more people like him in wrestling."

forlan

04-05-2007, 08:03 AM

More Wrestling spliced in with porn is exactly what will bring in credibility. Solid ring technicians like Vic Grimes and Kaos <_<

shamelessposer

04-05-2007, 08:54 AM

wrestlemania main event: american balloon goes over on hydra for the wwe heavyewight championship

You fool! It isn't Wrestlemania without Dragon Dragon!

cyberkitten01

04-05-2007, 10:31 AM

Between XPW and PWU, CZW would be fooked! They're burrying themselves well enough on their own, they don't need help!

Michael Wayne

04-05-2007, 10:32 AM

forlan

04-05-2007, 10:36 AM

Between XPW and PWU, CZW would be fooked! They're burrying themselves well enough on their own, they don't need help!

You gotta be kidding me, PWU yes but XPW would make current CZW situation look like gold lol.

NickRLLRingCrew

04-05-2007, 11:27 AM

Y'know, I was just thinking to myself the other day.

"Self," I said, "The indy wrestling scene could use more crappy garbage wrestling. Hacks like New Jack have got to get bail money somehow. And that Rob Black guy seemed like an upstanding citizen, too. We could use more people like him in wrestling."

Good! Let XPW get New Jack back!

I'm an indy worker based outta Richmond, VA, and New Jack just opened up a school on the outskirts of town. In a matter of time, he'll have trainees going out and hitting the local indy shows in a state with a "No Blood" policy...

Long story short: The further away from where I and a lot of my fellow boys from around these parts wrestle, the better. :P

xthesiknessx

04-05-2007, 03:09 PM

as awesome as this data is though, i gotta admit i'm a little bumed about the abscence of Price Of Glory wrestling. i mean come on...voted as the #1 fed in michigan for 2006! besides, i wrestle there. it's probably the only fed i work for that i would like to see in this game lol.

forlan

04-05-2007, 03:39 PM

Well the fact that most of them are Dan Severn student with no info available except for a picture kind of hampers any adding of them,.

aiwvoice

04-05-2007, 04:25 PM

As for Cabana, since all his indy dates will be finished by about early May I think its safe to say he'll be put in OVW but if people are so bothered itd take 1min before they startn to take him off.

Even before that actually. His last date is April 28th in Chicago for ROH. The only way he's going to do any dates after that is if he does them under the Matt Classic gimmick. The company I work for (Absolute Intense Wrestling) had him booked against Corino on the 29th in Pittsburgh and he's still considering if he is going to do so.

xthesiknessx

04-05-2007, 05:44 PM

Well the fact that most of them are Dan Severn student with no info available except for a picture kind of hampers any adding of them,.

i can always get you some info if you'd like to add them. if not no big deal, i can always put them in myself. just curious.

forlan

04-05-2007, 06:01 PM

Well their best workers are already in due to working IWA mid south and the like so it wouldn't be too difficult for you to add them.

HaYt

04-06-2007, 01:49 AM

Gabriel

04-06-2007, 04:28 AM

The XPW thing looks like its just a 1-night Deathmatch tourny to coincide with the release of some 'new' XPW DVDs. And Rob Black has nothing to do with it, all rights were sold after it initially closed down. Big Vision Entertainment (guys behind WSX) are in charge of it all, so Kevin Kleinrock will prolly be calling the shots.

I'm not calling you a liar or anything... but do you have a source or any proof that would lead to this being true?

If Big Vision owns the rights to the XPW name, they have Kleinrock on staff, and with WSX all but shut down, I think that a Kleinrock booked/BVE financed and distributed XPW product could become a revitalized indy promotion.

flashmagic

04-06-2007, 04:39 AM

I'm not calling you a liar or anything... but do you have a source or any proof that would lead to this being true?

If Big Vision owns the rights to the XPW name, they have Kleinrock on staff, and with WSX all but shut down, I think that a Kleinrock booked/BVE financed and distributed XPW product could become a revitalized indy promotion.

Johnny Webb made a mention of it on the socaluncensored.com boards.Basically that Big VIsion is/will soon be releasing a best of XPW deathmatches DVD series with wrestler commentary & whatnot, which may lead to a 1 night XPW reunion deathmatch tourney, which depending how it goes may lead to something more.

Capelli King

04-06-2007, 09:22 AM

Is American Balloon gonna be in the game? :cool:

I think, "Everyone" will be in this mod!

Good work and determination guys, sticking to this mod to the end.

Sensai of Mattitude

04-06-2007, 07:07 PM

Not sure whether or not you've heard about Kanyon's retirement? Needs to be implemented into the data.

alden

04-06-2007, 07:31 PM

Not sure whether or not you've heard about Kanyon's retirement? Needs to be implemented into the data.

he did? That is to bad......he was always very talented to me.........fell sorry about how his life turned out since he came out but still very talented.

has something else to pray about for him now ;)

*wonders how many will actully get that.........i am sch a wrestling dork :(*

Sebbakko

04-07-2007, 05:52 AM

you should add the swedish federation GBG wrestling ehhee

www.gbgwrestling.com

lovestruck420

04-07-2007, 09:07 AM

you should add the swedish federation GBG wrestling ehhee

www.gbgwrestling.com

I want Rotan the Unclean in my federation!!!!!!

The rest sorta look like Gay strippers...............

alden

04-07-2007, 10:46 AM

no way, if you are going to have somone from that you....you got to add Le Mime....i can see it now......le mime vs lashley.....one man who dosen't talk and one man who shoulden't....

thedraem41

04-07-2007, 02:26 PM

I do have a question Forlan, since the TEW system doesn't allow for a realistic AWA and NWA system set up(at this point), how do you plan on setting up their belts and relationships?

forlan

04-07-2007, 04:25 PM

NWA's titles are at the most relevant promotions that use them, TNA has the World etc for now til they get rid, ECCW has the Canadian belts etc. AWA isn't a problem as only Zero-One is in that is AWA related, was going to add World-1 but since Corino announced World-1 wasnt running any more shows, just World-1 South i didnt bother as World-1 south is quite **** to put it bluntly

deanohbk

04-07-2007, 06:52 PM

i was just wondering how far you are off a release

svrkev

04-07-2007, 07:01 PM

i was just wondering how far you are off a release

probably not far...I can already feel the mouse hand

forlan

04-07-2007, 07:28 PM

I was just wondering......if anybody looks at the last couple of thread pages before posting.

Not wanting to be harsh but two or three pages ago i said an ESTIMATED POSSIBLE release date

DarkMaverick87

04-07-2007, 07:29 PM

Forlan, you beat me to it. I was just looking for that post so I could copy and paste it here to save you the trouble of responding. Oh well...

DarkMaverick87

04-07-2007, 07:30 PM

I'm not one to slap relese dates on things as you know by now but as long as TEWFan gets the Puerto Rican title history stuff finished soon and i hear word on Angles etc from Stevie Swing as well as Midlands info from Corey Vandal i'm looking at a release in mid-late April.

I finish uni for easter this friday and am off for three weeks, a couple essays to sort out during that time btut apart from that i can devote more time to the data.

ah... there it is

Blacknwhite

04-09-2007, 10:50 AM

cannot wait

thedraem41

04-09-2007, 12:12 PM

I was looking through the threads and was wondering if you added more locations?

Kobe1724

04-10-2007, 03:59 AM

So somewhere between 2-3 weeks. Awesome. I've been running 1rc up until now but this sound excellent. ^_^

The Ego

04-10-2007, 03:21 PM

Forlan, is there anything i can do graphics wise? Id love to make some sort of contribution, even at this late stage.

forlan

04-10-2007, 04:46 PM

Maybe title belt pics, it's something that i havent bothered with myself as i dont use them. Onlt title belts i cut so far are the TXW ones because they are for comedy purposes.

xthesiknessx

04-10-2007, 06:34 PM

i can contribute some of the title belt pics if needed. i know where i can get some of the smaller indy fed belts if ya need em

forlan

04-11-2007, 10:02 AM

It not a matter of getting the pics it's putting them onto backgrounds etc and such too, im hapyp doing kyky's and logos but i cant be bothered to do belts as personally i dont feel the pics offer that much benefit.

panix04

04-11-2007, 10:21 AM

if people find them, but are not particuarly good at cutting, just buzz them accross to me at panix_uk04@yahoo.co.uk and i can cut them onto kyky for Forlan.

forlan

04-12-2007, 04:41 PM

Here is an update to tickle your tastebuds

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2238/latestzg5.jpg

The Godfather

04-12-2007, 04:43 PM

Nice, so cannot wait for this to be released!

jimmy_shakerz

04-12-2007, 08:05 PM

Are you gonna put any Alter Ego ?

alden

04-12-2007, 08:26 PM

the length of time it is taking i am assuming he is indead putting in alter ego's....basicly i expect every aspect to be taken care off after the quality of previous t-zone releases...

Kobe1724

04-13-2007, 11:50 AM

Forlan, how do you determine the looks stats for wrestlers? Based on personal opinion about their looks, what you perceive the publics opinion to be or something else?

vampmon

04-13-2007, 03:30 PM

Isnt looks more to do with Star quality than actual looks?

Sensai of Mattitude

04-13-2007, 04:06 PM

Isnt looks more to do with Star quality than actual looks?

Superstar Quality is a seperate stat.

forlan

04-13-2007, 04:46 PM

Forlan, how do you determine the looks stats for wrestlers? Based on personal opinion about their looks, what you perceive the publics opinion to be or something else?

Obviously its jsut my opinion a it would be ather tedious to ask 10 or so people their looks rating for everyone i make then establush an avergage

Michael Wayne

04-14-2007, 01:18 AM

all I can say to that screen shot is "dear lord..."

Kobe1724

04-15-2007, 04:05 PM

Anymore updates? ^_^

wolfwwe

04-16-2007, 07:05 PM

I think you should add PCW.

http://www.pcwwrestling.com/index%20PCW.html

Chuck

04-16-2007, 09:07 PM

If he doesn't feel like adding in PCW this time around then I can help him do it with his next update...

I have done 5 dark matches with PCW and they are the best/second best wrestling group in Texas... Everything they do is top notch and they draw an average of 500-800 on Saturday Nights for there big shows every week and on Fridays an average of (100-200)... I know all the boys on the roster and could easily give stats..

Ghetto Anthony

04-16-2007, 09:33 PM

I'm excited. This is bound to be released soon. Can't wait to push Shad Gaspard to the moon! :D

D16NJD16

04-16-2007, 09:39 PM

I'm excited. This is bound to be released soon.

CONGRATULATIONS! You are person # 1,000 who has said that in the span of these 4 or 5 months!

Ghetto Anthony

04-16-2007, 09:42 PM

CONGRATULATIONS! You are person # 1,000 who has said that in the span of these 4 or 5 months!

Tell me what I win, Bob!

But he estimated it would be done in late April, rit?

D16NJD16

04-16-2007, 10:30 PM

Tell me what I win, Bob!

But he estimated it would be done in late April, rit?

I don't know I haven't been keeping track lately. This thread is so massive it needs a FAQS or a manuel or something. Or maybe a website with up to date info.

DarkMaverick87

04-16-2007, 10:45 PM

my birthday's april 26... if this mod isn't released by then, i'll be bummed.......

not that anyone cares... hahaha

panix04

04-17-2007, 03:21 AM

hey Forlan, i have been going through profiles and the like, i just wanna check, have you got either excel or something that reads excel for when i email my list of changes?

EDIT: When is this being released? :D - this is mandatory right? :p

Michael Wayne

04-17-2007, 03:47 AM

I don't know I haven't been keeping track lately. This thread is so massive it needs a FAQS or a manuel or something. Or maybe a website with up to date info.

or a new thread..

Quill

04-17-2007, 06:09 AM

or a new thread..

So people can fill that up with whining, off topic crap and bugging forlan about when it's going to be released too? :D

The Ego

04-17-2007, 06:17 AM

Can i just be the first to say i dont want Forlan to release it yet?!

Im really into my ECW New Breed Game, and you releasing it throws a huge spanner in the works! I mean, how to i work that into my dynasty?! lol

praguepride

04-17-2007, 02:10 PM

the easiest thing to do would be to just update the OP with all the news we needed to know.

forlan

04-17-2007, 02:18 PM

That may be the easiest but im "old School" so thus that will not be happening :p

Screenie Below

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v27/forlan/latestsy.jpg

gingarob

04-17-2007, 02:41 PM

Impressive stuff Forlan, I'm becoming incredibly hyped for this release! :D

DanielW4444

04-17-2007, 03:51 PM

Are the NWA promotions gonna be represented?

Edit: Forlan, I talked with some of the people in the NWA and got a few good pictures of some of the NWA title belts. PM me if you are interested.

Chuck

04-17-2007, 04:40 PM

I just jizzed my pants...

Cannot wait Forlan!

Also is WSX going to be in it since it is halfway dead/halfway alive?

rockers4ever

04-17-2007, 05:38 PM

Can't wait for this one, Really good work Forlan....:D

alden

04-17-2007, 06:16 PM

I just jizzed my pants...

Cannot wait Forlan!

Also is WSX going to be in it since it is halfway dead/halfway alive?

i think he already said they were not going to be in it........as far as halfway dead/alive from what i hear they are dead pure and simple.....but on subject i think it was twenty or so pages ago ;) he said it was not going to be in

Chuck

04-17-2007, 06:21 PM

Ah my bad... with over 140 pages I didnt feel like reading that far back...

Eh it seems dead but the site is still up... who knows what will happen with it

Michael Wayne

04-17-2007, 07:32 PM

Ah my bad... with over 140 pages I didnt feel like reading that far back...

Eh it seems dead but the site is still up... who knows what will happen with it

WSX wasn't even a promotion. It was a tv show.

HughBatey4

04-17-2007, 07:44 PM

That's not entirely true MW. Yes WSX is produced primarily for MTV, however, WWE shows are produced primarily for NBC Universal, does that make them a TV show? No. WSX ran shows, and had entertained the idea of house shows. It was run like a promotion. As such, WSX should have been in T-Zone had it been released numerous months ago.

Vladamire Dracos

04-18-2007, 01:20 AM

Ah Gods! Not this again! The main reason WSX wouldn't appear in T-Zone (and I think 1RC is the same here) is due to the fact that there was no way to properly model them in TEW due to the way TEW is set up. I don't doubt that the workers who made up WSX will be in T-Zone and 1RC, so you could easily add them as a promotion if that's your desire.

Harts4Life

04-18-2007, 01:37 AM

Are the neat gfx going to be included?

jagilki

04-18-2007, 02:12 AM

wolfwwe

04-18-2007, 03:54 PM

Have they really been working on this one thing since December 15?

forlan

04-18-2007, 04:03 PM

By they you mean me and of course, not like id start the thread, sit and lie for months then last week make 300 workers every day. Some people have no sense, common or otherwise

wolfwwe

04-18-2007, 04:05 PM

No I meant I didn't think it'd take that long. I was just wondering.

forlan

04-18-2007, 04:16 PM

Other things got in the way, if you read all 146 pages then you will see "game" things that got in the way, im also not a robot, i live a life lol

darthsiddus2

04-18-2007, 05:59 PM

Forlan has a life? :P just kidding man :D

Ghetto Anthony

04-18-2007, 06:28 PM

Have they really been working on this one thing since December 15?

haha, yeah. I was just thinking about that. This version of T-Zone has been worked on for just over a third of a year. :eek:

alden

04-18-2007, 06:54 PM

Other things got in the way, if you read all 146 pages then you will see "game" things that got in the way, im also not a robot, i live a life lol

how dare you have a life out side of the mod ;). I mean school friends work? they all come second....no wait.....third spots one and two are for the mod.

In all honestly though man, it the screans look like you have put alot of work in man. i totally think t-zone is going to change the way people play and might give a boosts to the sales also :)

rvd2kewl

04-18-2007, 07:43 PM

http://www.wwe.com/inside/news/dsw

WWE ends relationship with DSW
Written: April 18, 2007
World Wrestling Entertainment has ended its relationship with Deep South Wrestling. For the past two years, DSW has served as one of WWE's developmental territories. Check back here as more information becomes available.

alden

04-18-2007, 07:48 PM

i find that as a shock to be honest.

Deadman36g

04-18-2007, 07:56 PM

darthsiddus2

04-18-2007, 08:11 PM

they need to be focusing on one developmental territory. I think their staff was too spread out as is. good decision by vince.

Deadman36g

04-18-2007, 08:15 PM

The taskbar and screens are available somewhere in the mod forum. I've got it in my game.

-edit-

I can't remember who made it or what it's called. I asked Forlan about it when he posted a previous screenshot.

Can you e-mail them to me or upload them somewhere for download, I have looked and can not find them

i effin rule

04-18-2007, 08:26 PM

Can you e-mail them to me or upload them somewhere for download, I have looked and can not find them

just do a search for posts in the mod forum started by "kingofleon" i think the thread says something about skin or something. It's there though.

Johnny Fenoli

04-18-2007, 10:22 PM

I assume my screens and stuff arent going to be used now?

poilbrun

04-19-2007, 05:49 AM

Wow, they have been involved with WWE since there inception. I don't see them sending all their wrestlers to OVW, so either WWE will form a relationship for another indy or look for vast releases in the next few days
Some rumors have it that they might send some to Afa's promotion... Just rumors I read elsewhere without anything official backing it up, but Afa seems to have good relationships with WWE since he retired, added to his induction in the HoF this year...

juggaloninjalee

04-19-2007, 09:45 AM

I have been gone for a couple months and this isn't released yet? Im surprised cuz I thought it was being released in late February or something. Still looking forward to this.

forlan

04-19-2007, 11:27 AM

I assume my screens and stuff arent going to be used now?

Why?

forlan

04-19-2007, 11:45 AM

The Godfather

04-19-2007, 01:09 PM

PWInsider is reporting that the DSW contracted workers are gonna be moved to Steve Keirn's school in Tampa and that will become the new developmental area.

forlan

04-19-2007, 01:16 PM

If that is the case, all Developmental talent will be in OVW for game purposes as adding a school that as far as i know does not run shows as a promotion would not be right.

MegaLix

04-19-2007, 01:25 PM

For now, all developmental talents will be moved to Ohio Valley Wrestling, non WWE contracted DSW talent will be released to the wild and DSW will be deleted. Once details on either releases of talent or a new territory are available it'll be dealt with.

But I thought DSW will continue to run, just wighout being a child promotion for WWE. So why would you delete it?

TheEdgeOfReason

04-19-2007, 01:27 PM

I heard that Bookers PWA is also a candidate for a replacement

The Godfather

04-19-2007, 01:31 PM

If that is the case, all Developmental talent will be in OVW for game purposes as adding a school that as far as i know does not run shows as a promotion would not be right.
Yeah they haven't ran any shows yet.

forlan

04-19-2007, 01:42 PM

But I thought DSW will continue to run, just wighout being a child promotion for WWE. So why would you delete it?

Deep South relied very heavily on money from WWE, without that they won't run. What some people don't get is that WWE went into a partnership like thing with OVW, but DSW was setup and funded right from the start by the WWE, so when WWE pull the plug, it's over.

PeterHilton

04-19-2007, 01:58 PM

This was in PWTorch in the last few days.

"WWE is no longer doing developmental deals. Everyone is getting the same contracts now with a base pay of 30 grand a year for new guys. Once you are signed you go to 1 of 4 brands which are Raw, ECW, SD, OVW."

I suppose if the E gets a second developmental fed they'd be the "fifth brand." I know this is kinda late in the process so i don't know if you want to reflect that in the db.

shamelessposer

04-19-2007, 02:16 PM

Thirty grand is awfully low, considering what these people do to their bodies.

PeterHilton

04-19-2007, 02:29 PM

But that's for new workers who previously would've had developmental deals. And if you read what WWE workers who came through OVW said about those deals, it was significantly less, possibly as little as 16-18 K a year.

It doesn't sound like much, but for them 30 K a year is a big raise.

alden

04-19-2007, 03:33 PM

Gabriel

04-19-2007, 04:11 PM

a little inside info i guess on the subject......30k a year for a indy wrestler is a TON but to be honest the last i heard a basic level wwe contract is around 150k a year plus or minuss but is usally starts at that point.....i would assume a dev contract is atleast 50k a year......

Most developmental workers were making $500 a week...give or take. That's $24,000 a year before taxes... minus their travel to and from shows... if you're a WWE worker, you better not have a family unless you're a main event guy... it seems like it would be incredibly hard to support anyone other than ones-self.

PeterHilton

04-19-2007, 04:15 PM

I'm sorry but I don't think that's right, alden. 411mania.com has a guy on the staff who's a WWE stockholder and last year got a complete list of WWE salaries. There were people on the main roster like Matt Striker and Trevor Murdoch and Garrison Cade making less than 45 K a year. So I seriously doubt developmental deal wrestlers were making 50k downside guaranteed.

I'm just going on the latest article, and on what recent wrestlers like Edge have said they made before the developmental system was established.

This is all guesswork, but I just can't see the WWE paying a guy who might never see the inside of a WWE arena a base salary of 50K. With all their developmental guys, you're talking nearly 3 million dollars a year, JUST for them.

Johnny Fenoli

04-19-2007, 04:18 PM

Why?

Just from the screen shots, is why I assumed that. I'd like to see them used, but I'm cool if they're not. I was just typing out loud, lol

forlan

04-19-2007, 04:43 PM

I haven't added the screens because they are for the finished product and it's not finished, the screens will be released with the data.

forlan

04-19-2007, 04:48 PM

The WWE decision to sever DSW from their developmental territory program went down yesterday with John Laurinaitis and Mike Bucci, among other office staff going to Atlanta to inform Hamilton and take WWE's ring and equipment from Hamilton's building. The equipment is en route to Tampa now, where it will be set up at Steve Keirn's school, which will eventually become a developmental area. The wrestlers were told that none of them are being released and they will all be relocated. The terminology used was that the experiment failed and WWE wasn't blaming the boys. There were a number of factors that soured WWE, including Hamilton signing a TV deal with the Fight Network in Canada without their blessing, the feeling that Hamilton was letting Bill DeMott come around after he was fired, which was undermining Tom Prichard (who replaced DeMott), Hamilton's failure to book regular house show loops for the boys to work and learn, and an overall dissatisfaction with how DSW was running the developmental end. There was not one wrestler upset about the situation as none of them were enjoying their time there.

Ghetto Anthony

04-19-2007, 08:23 PM

So I suppose this is going to be delayed even longer until we know exactly who's going where? :(

darthsiddus2

04-19-2007, 08:28 PM

probably.... but I don't mind the wait.

HardcoreIcon87

04-19-2007, 10:51 PM

I believe I read all developmental deals will go to OVW. While all the ones that aren't signed by WWE will get feed to the indies.

Michael Wayne

04-20-2007, 12:15 AM

Most developmental workers were making $500 a week...give or take. That's $24,000 a year before taxes... minus their travel to and from shows... if you're a WWE worker, you better not have a family unless you're a main event guy... it seems like it would be incredibly hard to support anyone other than ones-self.

that's why most if not all of them relocate near the development territory to cut down the cost of travel. And I'm sure WWE would either 1) pay for them to relocate or 2) split the cost. And the bonus about the move is, come tax time, you can write it off.

rvd2kewl

04-20-2007, 03:58 AM

This is a list of salaries that came out last year. It's supposedly the 2005 salaries of WWE's roster.

- Ashley Massaro: $131,000
- Batista: $813,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Big Show: $1,000,000 (Base salary)
- Bob Holly: $217,000
- Booker T: $375,000
- Candice Michelle: $64,000
- Carlito: $319,000
- Chavo Guerrero: $206,000
- Chris Benoit: $488,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Chris Masters: $253,000
- Christian - $396,000
- Danny Basham: $130,000
- Doug Basham: $126,000
- Eddie Guerrero: $372,000
- Edge: $704,000
- Eugene: $189,000
- Funaki: $124,000
- Gene Snitsky: $292,000
- Gregory Helms: $277,000
- John Cena: $1,743,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- John Layfield: $786,000 (Five star hotel accommodations paid for every week)
- Jerry Lawler: $204,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Jillian Hall: $52,000
- Joey Mercury: $134,000
- Johnny Nitro: $143,000
- Jonathan Coachman: $175,000
- Kane: $ 851,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Ken Kennedy: $133,000
- Kid Kash: $62,000
- Kurt Angle: $1,023,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Lance Cade: $118,000
- Lilian Garcia: $90,000
- Lita: $286,000 (Mostly downside paid due to lack of wrestling)
- Maria: $41,000
- Mark Henry: $300,000 (Base pay)
- Matt Hardy: $322,000 (Missed over $70,000 of pay due to firing)
- Matt Striker: $43,000
- Melina: $155,000
- Mickie James: $72,000
- Nunzio: $186,000
- Orlando Jordan: $145,000
- Paul London: $177,000
- Psicosis: $122,000
- Randy Orton: $711,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Rene Dupree: $289,000
- Rey Mysterio: $414,000
- Ric Flair: $508,000 (First class flight tickets paid for every week)
- Rob Conway: $186,000
- Rob Van Dam: $220,000 (Only received downside and royalties due to injury)
- Rosie: $105,000
- Shawn Michaels: $1,045,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Shelton Benjamin: $366,000
- Simon Dean: $132,000
- Stacy Keibler: $178,000 (Only downside paid during absence)
- Steven Richards: $94,000
- Torrie Wilson: $260,000
- Trevor Murdoch: $48,000
- Triple H: $2,013,000 (Allowed the personal use of company jet (10) times per year. First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Trish Stratus: $618,000 (Receives 20% of all Trish Stratus merchandise sold)
- Tyson Tomko: $127,000
- Undertaker: $1,811,000 (First class flight tickets, hotel accommodations, and ground transportation paid for every week)
- Val Venis: $210,000
- Victoria: $275,000
- Viscera: $130,000
- William Regal: $225,000

Take these numbers for what you will. Some "insiders" believe they are accurate, while others have said that they're way off base (whether it be too high or too low).

D16NJD16

04-20-2007, 05:43 AM

This is a list of salaries that came out last year. It's supposedly the 2005 salaries of WWE's roster.

Take these numbers for what you will. Some "insiders" believe they are accurate, while others have said that they're way off base (whether it be too high or too low).

What good will this do with the mod?

shamelessposer

04-20-2007, 05:55 AM

Wow... according to that list, Eddie got screwed. He was a mainstay in the main event around the time of his death, and he made about a third of what some of the other main event guys did. Seems a little unfair to me.

James Casey

04-20-2007, 06:28 AM

Those are just the base salaries, though - they don't take into account things like PPV revenue, which Eddie would have earned a lot of money on, as he was in or around the Main Event throughout 2005.

I'm sure Trish wasn't the only one earning money on merchandise, either.

Still, some of the figures seem a little off - Nunzio and Rob Conway, for example, on $186k a year? It's also hard to believe that Maria could afford the WWE life on $41k a year - that's less than I earn, and I don't spend 250 days a year on the road.

flashmagic

04-20-2007, 07:53 AM

forlan

04-20-2007, 09:56 AM

Try and keep on topic, to talk about salaries go to the dog pound or elsewhere thanks

DarkMaverick87

04-20-2007, 10:50 AM

yeah but Forlan in order to keep this topic alive we need something to talk about... and the only thing left for us to post that stays on topic is "When will this thing be released? We've been waiting now for 4.5 months!" and that just aggravates you, so what do you expect?

forlan

04-20-2007, 11:04 AM

I don't want to argue, and i don't see why you have to "keep the topic alive" it does not have to be the centre of attention, i post updates in here when i have them, but the reason we are almost hitting 150 pages is pointless things and bickering.

The Ego

04-20-2007, 11:31 AM

So, Forlan, when will IT be released.....

Lol, only joking bud, just keep going pal, everyone is prepared to wait, its your project man.

DarkMaverick87

04-20-2007, 12:08 PM

I don't know... I guess I see "keeping the topic alive" as a way for us to show support for you and the mod and to show that we're all anxiously waiting for it to arrive... but like you said, no sense in arguing and filling this up with pointless topics I guess

forlan

04-20-2007, 12:14 PM

I appreciate it but it always descends into arguing like that guy a couple of pages back randomly bringing back up that WSX should of been in when it was going if the data had been released then. What does that achieve, except more WSX arguing which is like what half this thread is.

panix04

04-20-2007, 12:45 PM

rvd2kewl

04-20-2007, 03:35 PM

What good will this do with the mod?

Where did I say it was for the mod? :confused:

There was a discussion of salaries going on and someone mentioned about a list being released last year. That happened to be the list that was "making the rounds" so I posted it for discussion.

Those are just the base salaries, though - they don't take into account things like PPV revenue, which Eddie would have earned a lot of money on, as he was in or around the Main Event throughout 2005.

Exactly.

I'm sure Trish wasn't the only one earning money on merchandise, either.

I'm sure she wasn't the only one getting merchandise money, but the reason the 20% is noteworthy is because the majority of the talent only gets between 1-3% for their merchandise. It's only the big names like HHH, HBK, Cena (was at 5% last I read), Taker, and Rey that earn more than that 1-3%.

rvd2kewl

04-20-2007, 03:40 PM

Confirmation of DSW's demise if there were any questions left about it...

Deep South Wrestling Set To Cease Operations
04/20/2007 by Ryan Clark

As a result of WWE cutting its ties with Deep South Wrestling, Jody Hamilton is shutting down the promotion and school.

For it to be in existence, WWE's help was required so there seems to be no other option.

Current Deep South talent are expected to move to a new Florida school, that is rumored to be Steve Keirn's.

DSW head Jody Hamilton will be retiring from the business and should release a statement soon.

Ransik

04-20-2007, 10:54 PM

Michael Wayne

04-21-2007, 05:06 AM

Sounds more like Hamilton didn't want to run the company if it would be coming out of his own pocket to me. Not saying that's a bad thing... just comes off that way.

There's no actual reason DSW had to close just because the ties with WWE are gone.

are all workers debut dates entered in? If so, if I were to say set the start date to 2001 or 2002.. Aside from stats, could I effectively run a 2001 or 2002 mod? Obviously I'd have to track contracts down and edit stats.

forlan

04-21-2007, 06:41 AM

There is no place in the game for debut dates

forlan

04-21-2007, 03:35 PM

I'm in a good mood as i have just ordered the Order of the Neo Solar Temple T-Shirt so i will give an update

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/6909/whatgoinonts3.jpg

TheEdgeOfReason

04-21-2007, 04:49 PM

Oh Yeah
EDIT: just wondering is the GDS' own Louis Linaris in?

Ghetto Anthony

04-21-2007, 06:10 PM

Can you give us an update on what exactly you're working on now, or are you just testing? Because that looks like a finished mod or a close to being finished mod to me. :)

forlan

04-21-2007, 06:17 PM

It's not, there is still more workers to add for certain promotions

Sensai of Mattitude

04-21-2007, 06:27 PM

Noticed that you've started on the Alter Egos forlan, are you aware of roughly how many of those there will be?

forlan

04-21-2007, 06:29 PM

29 :p

Vladamire Dracos

04-21-2007, 06:29 PM

It's not, there is still more workers to add for certain promotions

How many?

I'm pretty jazzed about this mod. The Fall inspired me to want to give a game where the WWE suddenly went out of business a try, but I want to do it in a current time mod with mostly real world promotions. :)

forlan

04-21-2007, 06:32 PM

How many?

I'm pretty jazzed about this mod. The Fall inspired me to want to give a game where the WWE suddenly went out of business a try, but I want to do it in a current time mod with mostly real world promotions. :)

Maybe 60 or so, i have them listed but not counting them lol

Sensai of Mattitude

04-21-2007, 06:32 PM

Aha, fair enough. That was quick. :p

forlan

04-21-2007, 06:39 PM

The problem with alter egos is you are limited to one per person per promotion. So its best not to add anything for people like Barry Darsow etc. as it is a toss up on which to use.

And then you have some people like Boris Alexiev as Santino Marella or whatever, gimmicks that might not last long or indeed ever come back so there is no point adding them either, it really is a very basic section, i mean i could list the 29 and if people wanted to suggest others id be happy to add them.

deadman2006

04-21-2007, 10:17 PM

Gabriel

04-22-2007, 01:18 AM

It would be great if you listed them too see if anything really important was missing.

I doubt much would be missing really.

We'll probably only see the Alter Ego section used for indy guys, where some guys use different names in different promotions, such as how the Special K guys in ROH all had new names there, to differentiate themselves from their alter ego's elsewhere.

Or similarly, and more recently, Austin Starr and Senshi in TNA... who should be in the game as Austin Aries and Low Ki, respectively. The alter ego section would be for guys like them.

D16NJD16

04-22-2007, 02:05 AM

Forlan wants interesting conversation as well as orderliness to this topic damnit, give it to the man, and maybe he will consider releasing this scenario at some point in all of your lifetimes!

I just hope all of you have computer access at the retirement home at that point in your lifes. :D

forlan

04-22-2007, 07:30 AM

I doubt much would be missing really.

We'll probably only see the Alter Ego section used for indy guys, where some guys use different names in different promotions, such as how the Special K guys in ROH all had new names there, to differentiate themselves from their alter ego's elsewhere.

Or similarly, and more recently, Austin Starr and Senshi in TNA... who should be in the game as Austin Aries and Low Ki, respectively. The alter ego section would be for guys like them.

Special K for one won't be in as Alter-Egos as most if not all have been back under different names that they use more regular, itd be daft for the AI to sign Sal Rinauro to ROH and randomly call him Mellow or Jay Lethal as Hydro.

Anyways, here is what is in (30 in all)

Austin Starr (TNA)
Batista (WWE)
Billy Gunn (WWE)
Booker T (WWE)
Bubba Ray Dudley (WWE)
Carlito (WWE)
Christian (WWE)
D-Von Dudley (WWE)
Edge (WWE)
Eugene (WWE)
Triple H (WWE)
Hardcore Holly (WWE)
IRS (WWE)
Kane (WWE)
Kidman (WWE)
Chris Masters (WWE)
Ken Kennedy (WWE)
Johnny Nitro (WWE)
William Regal (WWE)
Rhyno (WWE)
Road Dogg (WWE)
Scotty 2 Hotty (WWE)
Senshi (TNA)
Spike Dudley (WWE)
Big Show (WWE)
The Undertaker (WWE)
Val Venis (WWE)
Victoria (WWE)
Viscera (WWE)
X-Pac (WWE)

shamelessposer

04-22-2007, 08:50 AM

A couple I can think of off the top of my head:
Albert
Bull Buchanan
Danny Basham
Grandmaster Sexay
Funaki (As opposed to Sho Funaki. If you've got Kidman in, why not?)
Goldust
Haku
Hakushi (I think the name is right. Jinsei Shinzaki's WWF name)
Mordecai (Or does he not count since it's a dead gimmick that'll probably never return?)
MVP
Paul Bearer
Simon Dean
Test
Whatever that ridiculous name is they've given Monty Brown

forlan

04-22-2007, 08:56 AM

Mordecai doesn't count, Simon Dean is debatable as the gimmick flopped so much that if they did bring Bucci back he would most likely be under a differen gimmick. Kidman is in because his name is Peter Gruner outside of the WWE, as for the others i'dd add them except for Brown as he hasn't exactly been in the gimmick long and could end up being something else.

gingarob

04-22-2007, 09:41 AM

Rocky Romero - Black Tiger (NJPW), he may have not used it since his NOAH debut but there's still chance he might once more.

forlan

04-22-2007, 09:46 AM

That remind me, i heard rumours that a new Black Tiger was actually being prepped for debut pretty soon so I'm thinking Romero is done with the gimmick. Especially since he seems to be a NOAH guy now.

gingarob

04-22-2007, 10:49 AM

shamelessposer

04-22-2007, 10:55 AM

A couple more:
Curry Man
Gunner Scott
Ivory
Jacqueline
Molly Holly (if she's even in the data anymore)
Nunzio
Redd Dogg (Rodney Mack's OVW gimmick)

forlan

04-22-2007, 11:03 AM

I think if WWE ever brought back Albright he wouldn't be Gunner Scott, he had it 5mins and it failed, Jaqueline doesnt need one it's her name, Rodney Mack has worked OVW since under the name Rodney Mack so i won't add that one either.

Chuck

04-22-2007, 11:09 AM

Actually Mack works as Redd Dogg in Texas...

forlan

04-22-2007, 11:16 AM

But since an alter-ego has to be assigned to a promotion thats not really an issue.

jimmy_shakerz

04-22-2007, 11:30 AM

You have to figure it out this way... If WWE is to resign Rodney Mack and Brent Albright, is it 100% guaranteed that they will use the name "Redd Dogg" and "Gunner Scott" . I'm pretty sure they won't

Kevin Thorn's real name is Kevin Fertig... It is possible that if he's wrestling indy he will use the name Kevin Fertig so there's no point of having an alter-ego for that.

Luther Reigns used to be wrestling under the name Horshu but since he was in WWE as Luther Reigns (his real name) he will always use this one as of now.

I'd add Brother Ray, Devon and Runt depending on what their worker name is (assuming Brother Runt is entered as Matt Hyson )