T-Zone 2007

[forlan]

Some people may of thought i was dead or T-Zone was dead but that is not the case. This thread is intended to help people keep up with my progress but first a small annnouncement.

Recently a deal has been worked out with an up and coming wrestling mods site ran by someone most of you should know rather well, ACCBiggz. The deal will see T-Zone become exclusive to there.

Do not worry, it will not mean having to register or such, it just provides a win/win for both parties with EWInventory.com getting the mod and such and T-Zone getting the reliable hosting making sure that the files are always readily available to anyone.

With that out of the way, a small amount of work has been done so far, we have

Promotions 58 (Will become 57 now ECW can be merged with WWE due to the "third brand" feature)
Workers 3300
Locations 1501
Match Type 125 (should be re-done to add more of my favourite death match type matches with the new features that are there.)
Gimmicks 306
Teams 997
Promotion Pacts 47
Worker Relations 2018
New Promotions 6
Angles 1965
Storylines 126
Stables 159
Titles 214
Injuries 95
TV Shows 26
TV Networks 116
TV Show Slots 48
Other TV shows 21
Events 273
PPV Carriers 45
PPV Agreements 28
Title Lineage 1 (just added Campeones De Parejas to test)
Dojos 9 (lots more planned to be added)
New Workers 0
Start Injuries 0
Dojo Graduates 62
Alter Egos 0
User Characters 0

So, thats the current tally although im sure much could easily change, any offers of help and such are welcome, in particular maybe someone to sort out angles and storylines or something, maybe someone to make a "New Workers" mod, someone to help with Other TV shows as they are now rather out of date but i live in the UK and cant really keep up with US TV (Except i know when The OC is on because its great :D), Maybe a new promotions mod and just any other general help from anyone who may want to get involved.

Thanks
John Marley

[panix04]

Can't wait for a release! I'm really glad the T-zone mod is still around. Its un-rivaled for size and detail these days! Thumbs up!

[forlan]

As well as other stuff, one of the first things i'm tackling is the product section and although every promotion almost is different, i've decided the names should be the same for some as they are rather close, problem is the names.

At the moments it's like this (Only done USA so far)

California Indy - APW, PWG
Generic Comedy based - BPW
North East Indy - CW, IWC, JAPW, NWA-SW, PWU, WXW
North East Lucha - CHIKARA
North East Hardcore - CZW
Traditional - DSW, ECWA, HWA
Semi-Traditional - EWE, FIP, NWA-A, UXW
Mid-West Hardcore - IWA:MS
Sports Entertainment - IWA:PR, OVW, WWE
Mainstream Indy - ROH
US Womens - SHIMMER
LowLevel International - TNA

I'm not entirely keen as i think it possibly is too "detailed" but on the flip side, i feel just calling them cutting edge etc isn't a fair reflections, so im after opinions and suggestions thanks

[TCP1]

Ah Forlan, it's a shame that you and I won't be personally reliving our rivalry, but good luck and I look forward to playing it.

[forlan]

Damn you building my hopes up, thinking i got an actual opinion on the products :S

[Chriswok]

Trusting since you're from Durham you'll give the North East wrestling scene some justice!:D

[forlan]

Well wZw is in and possibly going to add 3CW for first or second release so yeah, North East Yay!

[Chriswok]

Well wZw is in and possibly going to add 3CW for first or second release so yeah, North East Yay!

Ah cool, I added 3CW into FOTORC data for personal use, as well as getting cuts for the workers as best as I could from their website.

[forlan]

This will be a checklist i'll use for when things are complete, notes afterwards are why it may not be complete.

()Promotions - Got to sort the Japanese promotions to incorporate the new areas, so research is needed.
()Workers - Nothing done to them and so anything that needs doing still needs doing
()Locations - Need to tick some as wrestling hotbeds
(X)Match Types
()Gimmicks - Need to do the new stats in the gimmicks section
()Teams - Need to put new team parts in
(X)Promotion Pacts
(X)Worker Relations
(X)New promotions - Unless i add more
(X)Angles
(X)Storylines
(X)Stables
(X)Titles
(X)Injuries
(X)TV Shows
(X)TV Networks
(X)TV Show Slots
()Other TV Shows
(X)Events
(X)PPV Carriers
(X)PPV Agreements
()Title Lineage - Aint really started
()Dojos - Only done a basic start (9 so far)
()New Workers - Only got two so far Dallas and Blade Hart (Suggestions Welcome)
(X)Start Injuries - Unless someone gets injured
()Dojo Graduates - Only got 100 so far but the more Dojos the more graduates really
()Alter Egos - Aint started
()User Characters - ZERO

So yeah, just incase it isn't obvious, the stuff with the cross is finished

[Remianen]

I may be able to help with the Other TV Shows since I have a couple of schedule listings for broadcast & basic and premium cable/satellite channels. I was doing it for personal use but could easily release it for those who may want it as well. It'll probably be easiest to just import the US listings into the DB rather than use the whole file by itself (for accuracy).

So far, I only have the fall of 06 on the broadcast networks and the major cable stations (ESPN, Comedy Central, SPIKE, USA, HBO, Showtime, etc) though I guess I could start on the winter schedule too. The problem I'm noticing (at least on paper) is that conflicts may arise due to viewer numbers. Like, CSI pulls millions on the nights it comes on (Monday - Miami, Wednesday - New York, Thursday - Vegas) but the shows its up against and adjacent to also draw in the millions (Grey's Anatomy, House, Bones, Deal or No Deal, Law & Order, etc). But I'll just enter them and let the game figure everything else out.

[nimo34]

Would Nick Hogan be a valid new worker? The DiBiase brothers are already wrestlers, but I guess they could be new workers.

[Chriswok]

In an interview a while back Kevin Nash said his son wanted to become a wrestler, now sure if he was joking or not.

[ItsNotMyFault]

Welcome back Forlan! I thought Tzone was gone, it made me sad, I mean TCP's mod was good but once you had the best its hard to use the rest.

[forlan]

Aww, you'll make me blush XD

[ACCBiggz]

Aww, you'll make me blush XD

At first I thought that said "brush"... What an odd statement that would have made.

[y2jbrock]

:)

Forlan you rock!

[djthefunkchris]

Get the looks right in your mod! :-)

[MrBriggs]

I absolutely can't wait for T-Zone to be ready. I've always been extremely fond of the T-Zone data, because I think that it's definitely the most fun to play with. Other mods are much too conservative on stats. Not to point any fingers, as I think FORC is fantastic if you want something extra challenging, but I just can't seem to get used to playing a mod where Austin Aries has a matwork rating of 68.

T-Zone's more liberal stats open up a new organization to a variety of fun roster combinations, which I find to be more realistic. On any given night almost anybody on the ROH roster is capable of putting on a fantastic match, and in T-Zone, that's exactly what can happen if you book it right.

So in closing, thanks for the mod, I really appreciate the hard work you put into it. I don't think I could really get into TEW as much without my T-Zone.

My only question is this.. do you have any kind of tentative date that you think you might be finished? I would be willing to offer my help if there are some things you'd like worked on. I just don't want to start a campaign with my 05 data if the 07 data will be out shortly after I start getting into it. :)

[forlan]

Not sure on a tentative release date as i have uni work over xmas and things too and it also depends on when the actual game comes out. The things that will take the longest are really the title histories and such. I dont like to give release dates as people get angry/dissapointed if they arent exact. So i'll just say that i'll try to get it as close to release as humanly possible :)

[Plus-44]

Hey, I wouldn't mind doing the Title Linage for the promotions I can find, I know I can get a large majority done via ObsessedWithWrestling.com

Forlan, just give me the green light.

[Horizon]

forlan, you Legend!

Love your mods, as they are the most accurate (IMO) by miles.

Cheers mate, and really looking forward to using it.

[forlan]

is the title lineage something that can be just slotted in or might it screw up somehow, im assuming that if a person had the same titles and workers file then it should be fine, would need a green light off adam though as i wouldn't want somebody doing loadsof work and then it not be easily slotted in.

On another note, spending most of today sorting the Japanese arenas since all but a couple have magiced over to the tohuku region on import and thus i have to go through each manually and look up which region they should be in etc. fun ey lol?

[legendkiller13]

hey forlan, its b-unit from corp-x. I told u i could work on the title lineage for u, and i already started it, using some of you old data. I think it should be able to just slot into your data set. Only thing is if you change the workers base name, that could change the wrestler who held the belt i believe. So far I have almost completely done all of the current WWE belts, and TNA belts. I will continue if you want me to.

[forlan]

OH, wow thats cool, hopefully it slots in fine enough :)

[forlan]

Progress Report

(X)Promotions
()Workers - Nothing done to them and so anything that needs doing still needs doing
(X)Locations
(X)Match Types
()Gimmicks - Need to do the new stats in the gimmicks section
(X)Teams
(X)Promotion Pacts
(X)Worker Relations
(X)New promotions - Unless i add more
(X)Angles
(X)Storylines
(X)Stables
(X)Titles
(X)Injuries
(X)TV Shows
(X)TV Networks
(X)TV Show Slots
()Other TV Shows
(X)Events
(X)PPV Carriers
(X)PPV Agreements
()Title Lineage - LK on the case it seems
()Dojos - Only done a basic start (9 so far)
()New Workers - Only got three so far(Suggestions Welcome)
(X)Start Injuries - Unless someone gets injured
()Dojo Graduates - Only got 100 so far but the more Dojos the more graduates really
()Alter Egos - Aint started
()User Characters - ZERO

[bobinc]

Something to check if you have not, is promotion locations. When I did an import it moved some europe ones to japan.

[forlan]

Yeah i sorted that, NWE has reandomly been moved to Japan lol

[Oldschool]

As far as new workers go, here's a couple second generation ideas.
Dallas Hart (son of Brett, training with Lance Storm)
Windham Rotunda (son of Mike Rotundo...I think he won state championship in HS)
Reid Flair (Ric's son, played on WCW Nitro, when he was like 11 was a solid HS wrestler)
Ricky Blood (Rick Steamboats kid, solid HS wrestler/football player...I think he got into auto racing)
Leati "Joe" Anoai (son of Sika, brother of Rosey, currentlya 6-3 280lb DT for Georgia Tech)
James Laureneitas (son of Road Warrior Animal, standout LB at Ohio State, a future 1st round NFL pick, I think he won some defensive player of the year award)
Jesse Allen White (Vader's son, I believe is playing DT at Oklahoma)

I think you should also consider some amateur wrestlers like:
Karam Garber (Egyptian Gold Medalist, who I believe was recruited by WWE)
Cael Sanderson
Mohammed Lawal
Daniel Cormier
or perhaps some end of the line NFL'ers
Kyle Turley comes to mind

[bobinc]

another new worker idea could be real MMA crossovers from UFC or Pride or K-1 ect... Most wouldn't be to young but could keep it interesting. :)

[Tree]

good to see this happening. one of the things that kept me from purchasing TEW 2005 was a frustration in watching the sloooooooow development of real world mods for it.

this will probably make me buy 2007 sooner, rather than later.

if you need help with any info regarding ROH, let me know. there probably aren't a lot of people who have been to more Ring of Honor shows than me, so i can definitely offer some insight.

[djthefunkchris]

The nice thing about this one, is the ability to transfer alot of the mods that are already made. I will probably mess around with playing a couple of those while waiting on the mods to be released.

[forlan]

Well my only ROH dilemma is the booker since same person cant book two feds

For example i had ROH (Silkin owner and Cornette Booker), FIP (Sal Thingybob owner and Gabe booker)

but now Cornette has left ROH thats not feasible so i was thiking

ROH - Owner Cary Silkin, Head booker - Gabe Sapolsky
FIP - Owner Sal Hamaoui, Head booker Dave Prazak
SHIMMER - Owner Dave Prazak, Head Booker Alliison Danger (Since she helps with the booking anyhoo)

So that seems fine although Prazak owning one and booking another i don't like, it really can't be helped unless anyone has a bright idea.

[ACCBiggz]

I think that is fair. Cary/Gabe are ROH, Sal/Prazak would be good for FIP, and with Prazak/Danger that really works as she does help with booking and her knowledge of Joshi it's a good fit. She also pimps Shimmer at every ROH show she's at.

[bobinc]

Could always leave it open and let the game world decide. Puts that "X" factor in the game maybe?? or puts it to use anyway. :D

[kevel33]

yay!

[ACCBiggz]

Could always leave it open and let the game world decide. Puts that "X" factor in the game maybe?? or puts it to use anyway. :D

If he were going to do that for any of them he should do it to FIP.

[Tree]

Well my only ROH dilemma is the booker since same person cant book two feds

For example i had ROH (Silkin owner and Cornette Booker), FIP (Sal Thingybob owner and Gabe booker)

but now Cornette has left ROH thats not feasible so i was thiking

ROH - Owner Cary Silkin, Head booker - Gabe Sapolsky
FIP - Owner Sal Hamaoui, Head booker Dave Prazak
SHIMMER - Owner Dave Prazak, Head Booker Alliison Danger (Since she helps with the booking anyhoo)

So that seems fine although Prazak owning one and booking another i don't like, it really can't be helped unless anyone has a bright idea.

odd that the game doesn't allow for the same booker in two different promotions. maybe we oughta get Adam to fix that...

if that's not possibly, the above looks pretty solid.

[TCP1]

Damn you building my hopes up, thinking i got an actual opinion on the products :S

I see.

OK, I think the one problem with the T-Zone data is the overness of workers. Now don't get me wrong, I know there were lots of issues with my harsh marking of most stats (I love a super-tough game myself), however I think that certain of your workers had far too high overness, when they really didn't deserve it.

Obviously I can't think of exact examples, but I seem to remember the old WCW stars being hugely over, which led to it being too easy to get an A rated match and cards.

Also, there were so many workers included originally that it took ages to load and involved loads of promotions that never got used (by me personally).

HOWEVER. You data was the most detailed at the time and was superior to RaveX. Also with the new bits and bobs in the game engine, your data will no doubt be fantastic (with the unemployed workers getting monthly events to work at etc). Also your knowledge of indy feds is second-to-none (thanks for the CHIKARA events, awesome fun) and your stats for them are very accurate.

Hope that's opinion enough for ya.

Good luck!

:)

[panix04]

i do agree to an extent about it being a bit easy to hit A* cards in t-zone however, i have a feeling the revised stat's may make it a lot harder to get A's and A*'s by default.

[ACCBiggz]

odd that the game doesn't allow for the same booker in two different promotions. maybe we oughta get Adam to fix that...

if that's not possibly, the above looks pretty solid.

Nah. More bad than good would come of that.

[forlan]

Yeah, i think this system should work just fine as long as i give Danger good booking skills, not as good as her brother though, thats for sure :p.

Shame on you TCP actually hiring ex WCW stars lol :p

[forlan]

Seems i have another dilemma which i've seen coming since the last game really when tweeners were randomly removed. I think Adam said that eveyrone was always either face or heel and tweeners didnt exist (not his exact words but someting like that).

The dilemma is one man Jimmy Jacobs.

Anyone familiar with the most emo wrestler in the business will know he months and months back trashed the IWA world title on Danny Daniels' AAW show. Well then they had the whole punishment thing with Bull Pain that was actualyl storyline. Since Ian Rotten is much more forgiving than Jim Fannin in real life, Ian seemed to see that as somewhat of an end to it, but during the match Fannin at ringside began wailing away on Jacobs, not wrestling strikes but real strikes including with a barbed wire bat.

Well then Jacobs was basically told to never come back to IWA until recently he helped Josh Abercrombie send Tyler Black out of IWA and then got beaten down for his troubles by Fannin and co and thus everyone felt it was once again over.

However this past weekend IAn Rottens mystery partner (supposed to be Axl) couldnt attend and thus Jimmy Jacobs randomly came in and asked Ian for his job back and Ian said no. Jacobs said he was so desperate that he would work for free to show his loyalty, anyways there was an altercation with Fannin and allsorts but herein lies the dilemma.

Its dificult to know how much is work and how much is shoot as when Fannin dislikes somebody he certainly dislikes them [see reference: Raven] so its like half shoot half work, anyways i seem to be randomly rambling so the dilemma.

Jacobs helped Ian (whether he wanted the help or not) showing somewhat face tendencies, however since most of the crowd still hates him and Ian still doesnt let him "officially" work for him hes sitll very much thought of as a heel. Then you have him "feuding" with Fannin and the Bad Mother ****ers who are heels so he's against the heels and the faces, basically against everyone, ie he is a tweener but since the game don't allow it, looks like i'm going to have to choose heel but would be nice if tweener had been kept in.

Thoughts..

[TCP1]

Yeah, i think this system should work just fine as long as i give Danger good booking skills, not as good as her brother though, thats for sure :p.

Shame on you TCP actually hiring ex WCW stars lol :p

Who can resist a teaming of Karagias and Reno? :cool:

[panix04]

i think it depends largely on the citeria you use, if your basing your disposition on fan reactions (IE wether they cheer or boo) in which case heel seem's most appropriate from your description, but that route is open for ambiguity, if you apply that to every case then you could make a legitimate case for Cena being a heel! So i personally think if you want your disposition selection to be standardised you really have to go with how they are being booked - which in this case is a face(ish) i think when it comes down to it you have to align each worker on there merits, its lucky most alignments are pretty straight forward! Perhaps a work-around would be to make him a face(as thats how he's being pushed) and make his face rating really low to simulate the fact he's not getting over as a face.

[forlan]

I've actually decided to make him a heel as that is really how he's being portrayed since he's against everyone, although hes trying to get on the good side to get back into the company,its still plain no1 likes the poor lad :p

[Tree]

Seems i have another dilemma which i've seen coming since the last game really when tweeners were randomly removed. I think Adam said that eveyrone was always either face or heel and tweeners didnt exist (not his exact words but someting like that).

The dilemma is one man Jimmy Jacobs.

Anyone familiar with the most emo wrestler in the business will know he months and months back trashed the IWA world title on Danny Daniels' AAW show. Well then they had the whole punishment thing with Bull Pain that was actualyl storyline. Since Ian Rotten is much more forgiving than Jim Fannin in real life, Ian seemed to see that as somewhat of an end to it, but during the match Fannin at ringside began wailing away on Jacobs, not wrestling strikes but real strikes including with a barbed wire bat.

Well then Jacobs was basically told to never come back to IWA until recently he helped Josh Abercrombie send Tyler Black out of IWA and then got beaten down for his troubles by Fannin and co and thus everyone felt it was once again over.

However this past weekend IAn Rottens mystery partner (supposed to be Axl) couldnt attend and thus Jimmy Jacobs randomly came in and asked Ian for his job back and Ian said no. Jacobs said he was so desperate that he would work for free to show his loyalty, anyways there was an altercation with Fannin and allsorts but herein lies the dilemma.

Its dificult to know how much is work and how much is shoot as when Fannin dislikes somebody he certainly dislikes them [see reference: Raven] so its like half shoot half work, anyways i seem to be randomly rambling so the dilemma.

Jacobs helped Ian (whether he wanted the help or not) showing somewhat face tendencies, however since most of the crowd still hates him and Ian still doesnt let him "officially" work for him hes sitll very much thought of as a heel. Then you have him "feuding" with Fannin and the Bad Mother ****ers who are heels so he's against the heels and the faces, basically against everyone, ie he is a tweener but since the game don't allow it, looks like i'm going to have to choose heel but would be nice if tweener had been kept in.

Thoughts..

weird - Tweener was taken out? in today's wrestling, that's the most obvious designation, as many guys straddle the line. for a long time Homicide was a heel in ROH - but the fans cheered him as a face.

in the above IWAMS/AAW scenario, i really have to put Jacobs as a face in IWAMS. he helped Abercrombie get rid of Black (man, i was at TPI when Jacobs came running in, and it was insane!), and seemed for a moment to be alligned with Fannin and the BMFers. but as soon as Fannin and his boys attacked Jacobs, that's a face turn for him. he didn't turn face, but the storyline turned him face.

i don't think you can make him a heel just because the crowd treats him like a heel. i mean, Trik Davis is a face, but gets booed. The Kings Of Wrestling are heels, but often get cheered like faces.

wrestling crowds are often too smart for their own good, and it sometimes ruins the story being told.

to me, Jacobs is a face because he is battling the heels, and he is trying to join up with the owner of the company, who is a face as well.

[ACCBiggz]

You do have the face/heel divide for each promotion though. None or Medium would probably be more representational of today's indies.

[forlan]

I see where both of you are coming from but Rotten is a face and he is just as against Jacobs despite him saving him this weekend.

Biggz: To set it at none would be a bit weird as IWA does usually have clear face and heel distinction, especially the BMF's etc

[forlan]

Ah, Tree you said any ROH help i needed well, i have no idea who the refs are these days, last i've noticed on DVD's has been Jason Harding and sometimes Brian Gorie down in the Midwest, along with todd Sinclair. And posibly Kehner and maybe Turner up in the Tri-State/New England area.

Just wouldnt mind a clarification on the refs and also the current status of the following as i aint seen them mentioned in a while but sometimes forget

Jay Lethal - He came back but is he gone again?
Jerrelle Clark?
Jason Blade?
Kid Mikaze?
Sal Rinauro - Since Rave is now "alone"
Flash Flanagan - He was hyped more than the ROHBot arm then faded

Also it seems so but is Lenny Leonard gone now, and any inside scoop or anything on why. Gabes stroy was stupid, cant remember it exactly but wasnt it "broke his legs playing softball" or some ****?

Anyhoo, thanks for the help

[ACCBiggz]

Ah, Tree you said any ROH help i needed well, i have no idea who the refs are these days, last i've noticed on DVD's has been Jason Harding and sometimes Brian Gorie down in the Midwest, along with todd Sinclair. And posibly Kehner and maybe Turner up in the Tri-State/New England area.

Just wouldnt mind a clarification on the refs and also the current status of the following as i aint seen them mentioned in a while but sometimes forget

Jay Lethal - He came back but is he gone again?
Jerrelle Clark?
Jason Blade?
Kid Mikaze?
Sal Rinauro - Since Rave is now "alone"
Flash Flanagan - He was hyped more than the ROHBot arm then faded

Also it seems so but is Lenny Leonard gone now, and any inside scoop or anything on why. Gabes stroy was stupid, cant remember it exactly but wasnt it "broke his legs playing softball" or some ****?

Anyhoo, thanks for the help
Gorie, Sinclair, Harding, Bruce Gray rejoined them at the last Dayton show I attended.

Lethal is still with them, and I haven't seen Clark in awhile.

[forlan]

Hahe yes, Bruce Gray the legend, the colorblind ref. Second only in my referee love to Bryce Remsburg

[ACCBiggz]

Hahe yes, Bruce Gray the legend, the colorblind ref. Second only in my referee love to Bryce Remsburg

Bruce is a cool guy, talked to him a few times. He grew up about 30 minutes away from me.

[Sartagis]

This is how I see the tweener thing. Every wrestler is either a heel or face, at least push wise. Some times fans don't see it that way and cheer or boo them anyway, but push wise they do always get one or the other. Some may say that means they are a tweener....personally I don't think it does. I think thats indicative that they are in a fed were the lines between face/heel don't matter as much. So in game terms it doesn't matter what ya push them as, as you can choose to have them do something against there alignment with no penalty.

Tweener was just a word made up my reviewers and the like when someone was being pushed as one but getting the reaction for another half the time or was being used in both roles (see Stevie Richards for most of his WWE career) almost entirely because of the WWF/E.

Guys like Joe, what has he done to deserve any thought of being a face? He gives a promo giving praise for an opponents skill? Shakes their hand after a match? This stuff happens in Japan all the time and the NA Indy scene has em-brassed it and now it's comming into main stream NA wrestling. Same with guys like Austin he got a good face pop as a heel and then had a incredible slow build to a turn and while he was gettign that pop and turning people decided he wasn't a heel, even though he was still push as one so called him a tweener. (no idea for which wrestler this started with but it's always the same story). Tweeners are almost always face characters that are rebels. Or rarely (like Joe, and other indy guys) heel's who use the Puro style of having respect as a heel. But again most these guys are in promotions where the face/heel divide isn't too strict for the fans as they like good wrestling. Obviously exceptions exist like Austin but even him it doesn't really because look at when he was big half the main event guys would be called tweeners. Hart was face in canada heel in states, Rock had the love to hate relationship then quickly became loved while still a heel. Trips, HBK rest of DX. Ministry, all those guys were either bad ass rebel faces or heels that got big pops. So that era WWF didn't have much of a Face/heel divide either. Towards the Alliance period and after Austin was usually a straight up heel or straight up face with little in between.

Anyways gone on too long already.

[forlan]

Got a request for the puro people (normally i'd ask Gary 2nz or Timothy Vickers but both have gone its seems) anyways was wondering if anyone could tell me the people who should be loyal to a certain company and who should be freelance.

I know a few but my puro knowledge doesn't go that deep

[Tree]

Ah, Tree you said any ROH help i needed well, i have no idea who the refs are these days, last i've noticed on DVD's has been Jason Harding and sometimes Brian Gorie down in the Midwest, along with todd Sinclair. And posibly Kehner and maybe Turner up in the Tri-State/New England area.

Just wouldnt mind a clarification on the refs and also the current status of the following as i aint seen them mentioned in a while but sometimes forget

Jay Lethal - He came back but is he gone again?
Jerrelle Clark?
Jason Blade?
Kid Mikaze?
Sal Rinauro - Since Rave is now "alone"
Flash Flanagan - He was hyped more than the ROHBot arm then faded

Also it seems so but is Lenny Leonard gone now, and any inside scoop or anything on why. Gabes stroy was stupid, cant remember it exactly but wasnt it "broke his legs playing softball" or some ****?

Anyhoo, thanks for the help

since i have ADD, i need to bullet point things.

1. Ian turned down Jimmy Jacob's offer for help. if anything, that has IAN displainy heel like tendencies. it will probably all come to pass that Ian needs Jacob's help to vanquish the BMFers anyway.

2. Lethal came back for one of two shows. definitely not a full-timer, as of this writing.

3. Jerelle Clark. he's currently not in ROH, but it wouldn't surprise me to see him back sooner rather than later.

4. Jason Blade. Just returned. i think he'll probably be on most shows in the northeast, and eventually in the midwest.

5. Kid Mikaze. he didn't come back with Blade. i'm pretty sure we won't be seeing him back in ROH any time soon.

6. Rinauro. currently gone from ROH. he's got the talent to be there, but doesnt seem to catch on with the fans. wouldn't surprise me to see him back eventually, but not for awhile.

7. Flanagan. i'm sure it was a favor to Cornette. i don't see him coming back either.

8. i have my ideas as to why Lenny Leonard is gone, but sorry, some things don't belong on message boards.

9. Other recent additions to the ROH roster include Matt Cross (aka M Dogg), Tank Toland, Jake and David Crist (aka Crazy J and Lotus), and ROH wrestling school graduates Shane Hagadorn and Pelle Primeau are pretty much full timers on the regular roster now.

10. there are a slew of new guys in FIP right now - including Sweeney, Akuma, Hallowicked, and Eddie Kingston (when he returns from his recently suffered broken ankle), and it wouldn't stun me to see them join ROH next year, along with someone like Erick Stevens, who has had such a tremendous 2006.

11. refs:
Todd Sinclair - Senior ref, on all the shows.
Paul Turner - mostly just northeast shows.
Gary Moerere (although i am probably mispelling his name) - just returned to ROH, and i'm pretty sure he's back full time for the northeast only.
Mike Kehner - mostly just northeast shows.
Jason Harding - mostly just the midwest shows.
Bruce Gray and Brian Gorie - i honestly don't remember. i'm pretty sure they were on the last midwest shows.

on the east coast, you also have Mike Coughlin sometimes reffing matches, and recently, Mike Crockett has also made some east coast appearances.

[forlan]

Great stuff althoough i was aware of the new guys and the fip stuff, like to keep up with what the chikara guys are doing.

For the Ian thing, he wouldn't need anyones help to get rid of the BMF's cos they have no effect on him since they only go for people who haven't paid their dues.

On the referee thing, every now and then i see a guy pop up who is chinese reffing matched, Mr somebody or other they call him.

Also, now i know some people like keeping kayfabe but was all know ray muro (sp) was doug gentry and jimmy bower/chris lovey was gabe so i'm just wondering since i can find no info anywhere is this jerrod or jared david or whatever an alter ego of someone because otherwise i'll just add him as a seperate entity.

[flashmagic]

Some lucha freelancers:

El Hijo del Santo, Hijo de Perro Aguayo, Blue Demon Jr.


Some puro freelancers:

Kensuke Sasaki, MAZADA, NOSAWA, Katsuhiko Nakajima, Yoshihiro Takayama, Minoru Suzuki, Kikutaro



On the referee thing, every now and then i see a guy pop up who is chinese reffing matched, Mr somebody or other they call him.



Japanese. He only refs on shows featuring Kikutaro, they're travel buddies.

[Tree]

On the referee thing, every now and then i see a guy pop up who is chinese reffing matched, Mr somebody or other they call him.

Also, now i know some people like keeping kayfabe but was all know ray muro (sp) was doug gentry and jimmy bower/chris lovey was gabe so i'm just wondering since i can find no info anywhere is this jerrod or jared david or whatever an alter ego of someone because otherwise i'll just add him as a seperate entity.

ah - you're probably talking about Mr. Duke (Japanese, btw, and i think he used to ref for Zero-One). haven't seen him in awhile, but the crowds loved him.

as for Jared David. i'm pretty sure that's the psuedonym of wrestler/commentator/manager Mister Saint Laurent, who does commentary under the Saint Laurent moniker in FIP. Saint Laurent's own web page links to a wikipedia entry that indicates this.

[ACCBiggz]

Question to Tree, which ROH shows do you normally attend? Sadly, I'm really only able to go to the Dayton shows.

[Tree]

Question to Tree, which ROH shows do you normally attend? Sadly, I'm really only able to go to the Dayton shows.

i've been to 77 ROH shows. the vast majority of them since At Our Best in March, 2004. about 25+ shows a year, so i go all over. anywhere in the northeast, and most of the shows in dayton/cleveland/chicago/detroit, etc etc/

[y2jbrock]

will there be a strapmatch or bullrope match? and a straight jacket match?

[forlan]

As far as i can tell none of them are really able to be done, it would just be a regular match being called a strap match so there no real point if you have half an ounce of imagination which everyone surely does.

I haven't done nothing on the data today if i'm honest, been watching the IWA Queen of the Deathmatches. Fantastic stuff especially Mickie Knuckles and Rachel Putski Taipei Death Match, tell ya what i got a whole lot more respect for Rachel now she proved shes much more than just eye candy with the Children of Pain.

Anyways, im goign to do a lil on the data now.

[Jacko00]

Adam has told us about the addition of the crowd giving certain wrestlers a hard time, so that would be the face being booed element, dont know if you can choose who it happens to though.

[forlan]

Progress Report

(X)Promotions
(X)Workers - Done except for updating bios for the major feds wrestlers and obviously the ever changing rosters of all the promotions.
(X)Locations
(X)Match Types
()Gimmicks - Need to do the new stats in the gimmicks section, done the first few but thats it so far.
(X)Teams
(X)Promotion Pacts
(X)Worker Relations
(X)New promotions - Unless i add more, actually they also need styles sorting out
(X)Angles
(X)Storylines
(X)Stables
(X)Titles
(X)Injuries
(X)TV Shows
(X)TV Networks
(X)TV Show Slots
()Other TV Shows - Got someone working on it i think
(X)Events
(X)PPV Carriers
(X)PPV Agreements
()Title Lineage - LegendKiller working on it
()Dojos - 13 or 14 so far
()New Workers - Only done three so far, got a little list of more to do
(X)Start Injuries - Unless someone gets injured
()Dojo Graduates - Just voer 100
()Alter Egos - Aint started
()User Characters - ZERO

[y2jbrock]

Do user characters have to be included?

[y2jbrock]

One last thing. What picture packs will be used for this?

[vocalorigami]

Do user characters have to be included?

I dont think you have to have one already made in the editor. Im sure its like TEW 05 where you make the user before starting a new game.

[bobinc]

Actually user characters could be really good for scenario mods. You know like a video games "Pick Your Character" thing.

[forlan]

The same pictures that has been ued since KyKy made them, i've got about 320 new ones to be released with the data at the moment to fill blanks and such.

[CloudStrife888]

Do you guys have someone doing the luchadores?

[forlan]

Not at the moment no, if your volunteering your welcome to

[CloudStrife888]

Under other circumstances I'd be willing to volunteer, but my time is very constrained at the moment - so I couldn't. Here's to hoping you can find someone, though.

[ACCBiggz]

You just want Maximo, Cloudy.

[BigBissMM]

As far as i can tell none of them are really able to be done, it would just be a regular match being called a strap match so there no real point if you have half an ounce of imagination which everyone surely does.

I haven't done nothing on the data today if i'm honest, been watching the IWA Queen of the Deathmatches. Fantastic stuff especially Mickie Knuckles and Rachel Putski Taipei Death Match, tell ya what i got a whole lot more respect for Rachel now she proved shes much more than just eye candy with the Children of Pain.

Anyways, im goign to do a lil on the data now.


are you guys going to add any of the Texas Shows that have poped up big over the last year (ie XCW and RCW?)

[CloudStrife888]

You just want Maximo, Cloudy.

:P I already added him in my own TEW '05 game!

[forlan]

Little progress update, American TV shows i have been sent updated info from VocalOrigami, if anyone wants to cover another country, feel free to send me the stuff.

Also i've had a first look at the latest progress by LegendKiller and his title lineages so far look amazing and im amazed how much hes got done with only more to come :)

[kadekash1983]

are you guys going to add any of the Texas Shows that have poped up big over the last year (ie XCW and RCW?)


I really hope not. There are hundreds of feds that are bigger and aren't in the game. Ive never even heard of them...

[The-619]

Looking good so far, sorry if this has been asked already in this thread but how long do you think this mod will take to release?? I just can't play the C-Verse for very long without getting bored.

[Micah Cage]

As far as American television goes, I was the one who did the fairly extensive "Other TV Shows" section that most people used in their TEW2005 updates...

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5881

So, I'd be more than happy to do throw in my version of an updated 2007 schedule if anyone is interested in that. The one that's included in whatever update I downloaded is EXTREMELY flawed. The Simpsons is listed as "Enormous", and while it's a great show, it barely pulls enough ratings to even be considered "Big".

So, if T-Zone (or anyone else) wants it, just let me know.

[BigBissMM]

I really hope not. There are hundreds of feds that are bigger and aren't in the game. Ive never even heard of them...

XCW now has National TV though MAV TV and The Necro Butcher and Hernandez are regulars on there programing. how many slots for Promotions are there?

[D16NJD16]

As far as American television goes, I was the one who did the fairly extensive "Other TV Shows" section that most people used in their TEW2005 updates...

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5881

So, I'd be more than happy to do throw in my version of an updated 2007 schedule if anyone is interested in that. The one that's included in whatever update I downloaded is EXTREMELY flawed. The Simpsons is listed as "Enormous", and while it's a great show, it barely pulls enough ratings to even be considered "Big".

So, if T-Zone (or anyone else) wants it, just let me know.

DO IT!

[djthefunkchris]

Looking good so far, sorry if this has been asked already in this thread but how long do you think this mod will take to release?? I just can't play the C-Verse for very long without getting bored.

I think there is alot of work already done on this one, also on D.O.T.T...

Out of 28 different major things for T-Zone (for example), here is all that is left (outside of just more and more data being entered, or changed, like roster's for example).


()Gimmicks - Need to do the new stats in the gimmicks section, done the first few but thats it so far.
()Other TV Shows - Got someone working on it i think
()Title Lineage - LegendKiller working on it
()Dojos - 13 or 14 so far
()New Workers - Only done three so far, got a little list of more to do
()Dojo Graduates - Just voer 100
()Alter Egos - Aint started
()User Characters - ZERO

So out of 28, only 8 more things left to complete (outside of mentioned above). That's pretty good in my opinion.

I know it's hard to wait, I would like nothing more then to have a MoD in front of me BEFORE the game comes out, but this is very unlikely, as they are more then likely going to simulate through a couple of months or more, to see how thier setting's work out for the game world. Stuff like a promotion changing status in the first month, are probably going to be avoided, etc.. (remember TNA on FOTORC?).

[D16NJD16]

If your planning on doing a long term save game, the simulating testing is well worth any wait.

[Madman Jack]

I know it's hard to wait, I would like nothing more then to have a MoD in front of me BEFORE the game comes out, but this is very unlikely, as they are more then likely going to simulate through a couple of months or more, to see how thier setting's work out for the game world. Stuff like a promotion changing status in the first month, are probably going to be avoided, etc.. (remember TNA on FOTORC?).

I never used that mod, but I recall many a time when TNA (using both RaveX and T-Zone in TEW05) would lose IMPACT's time slots -- just about all of them -- within two months. I hope that's compensated for somehow, maybe by notching down Spike TV a little in size to fudge the fact that they're perfectly happy with 1.0's for TNA. (Because there's really no way I can see to assign loyalty to a brand by a network. Maybe there should be, but that's a post for a seperate topic.)

[D16NJD16]

Yeah, if TNA is set at it's correct popularity, which it has been in most scenario's I've played, as National, and it can't hold it's TV show for a month, then thats a problem or a flaw in TEW that was not accounted for.

[forlan]

Seems if Prazak owns SHIMMER he cant book FIP so at the moment (not confirmed) ive just stuck Mister Saint Laurent as FIP booker as its best that can be done

[pete]

When will this be released, guys?

[forlan]

Whenever its done really

[bjo313]

Seems if Prazak owns SHIMMER he cant book FIP so at the moment (not confirmed) ive just stuck Mister Saint Laurent as FIP booker as its best that can be done

Prazak doesn't book FIP..

were you just testing?

[D16NJD16]

And Gabe Sapolsky is the head booker of ROH I dont even understand why there was any discussion of that.

[The Gaz]

Prazak doesn't book FIP..

were you just testing?

Read the third page.

[BigBissMM]

Seems if Prazak owns SHIMMER he cant book FIP so at the moment (not confirmed) ive just stuck Mister Saint Laurent as FIP booker as its best that can be done

I was thinking about this at work (I know im lame) but the way the game works couldent SHIMMER be set up as a brand extention of ROH?

[forlan]

Not really because it's not, SHIMMER is a seperate entity, it's only ties with ROH are occasional SHIMMER matches in ROH and the fact ROH shop sells their DVD's

[bjo313]

Read the third page.


gotcha. my mistake, missed that post somehow.

maybe have it was like..

ROH - Owner: Cary, Booker: Cary
SHIMMER - Owner: Prazak, Booker: Prazak
FIP - Owner: Sal, Booker: Gabe

then just put Gabe on booking team for ROH?

sounds weird but might work i think.

you might've already figured it out and i didn't see... who knows

[forlan]

I'm happy with Cary and Gabe for ROH because Gabes main priority is ROH, SHIMMER is easy enough because Prazak and Danger joint book/run it and as for FIP, MSL will do fine id say

[BigBissMM]

Not really because it's not, SHIMMER is a seperate entity, it's only ties with ROH are occasional SHIMMER matches in ROH and the fact ROH shop sells their DVD's

Ok cool looks like you have it figured out, is the any chance of maybe XCW ( http://www.xcwonline.net/ )making an up date later on? and is IWA DS in your stats?
I would be more then happy to help out with stats for some of the Texas Indy wrestlers

[bjo313]

I'm happy with Cary and Gabe for ROH because Gabes main priority is ROH, SHIMMER is easy enough because Prazak and Danger joint book/run it and as for FIP, MSL will do fine id say


that's true.. forgot about Danger

[KaySeeDubya]

Good to see this, forlan. I was a big fan of the T-Zone back in 05 and I'm glad it's returning for '07. Looks good.

[Vladamire Dracos]

I agree with XCW deserving to be in a real life mod (although I'd prefer NWA Pro, who also on MavTV and put on a better show, IMO) simply because they have a national TV show (unlike probably more than half the promotions currently included). http://www.mavtv.com/markets.aspx are the markets MavTV cover, to give an idea of how large a channel it is.

[forlan]

I'm currently on the lookout for someone with knowledge on community and affluence for the American/Canadia/Japanese/MExican areas. I can do UK well enough but since i don't live in the other places it'd be best to get someone with more knowledge on the subject.

[TEWFan]

Just to let you know, I will create a blank database and add all of Puerto Rico in it, WWC, IWA and if I get enough info, WWS. That includes workers, title histories and all that. Let me do it since I know a lot about it and then you just import it into your database.


Hope you appreciate my help.

[forlan]

cool stuff, thatd be great, as at the moment IWA Puerto Rico is in but is done poorly due to little to no knowledge of the promotion or many of its workers.

[forlan]

Just thought id say future workers has now reached 7 and also that i put the ROH title where it belongs baybee and here is a nice picture.

http://www.rohphotos.com/homicide/IMG_3345.JPG

[BigBissMM]

I'm currently on the lookout for someone with knowledge on community and affluence for the American/Canadia/Japanese/MExican areas. I can do UK well enough but since i don't live in the other places it'd be best to get someone with more knowledge on the subject.

I could help with texas realent but if there are no Texas feds its kinda a waste to do guys that are going to be staying in texas for a long time only maybe the top 10% travel out side the state (Don Juan,COP,Masada,Mike Foxx)

[forlan]

I don't really see what relevance your post has to the quote you quoted :s

[D16NJD16]

Affluence would be highest for US, that I know.

[forlan]

I need it region by region, not by country

[Jimmy Spamer]

Here's the median income for each US state. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_United_States#Income_by_st ate

[TEWFan]

Ok, updating you of what I have done with Puerto Rico.

Most of IWA roster done, title histories for World, Intercontinental and Junior titles done. I will take more time with this to add historical workers who held titles. Also, once the rest of your data is done, I will need it to link title reigns of foreign workers like Juventud Guerrera and Crash Holly, who I dont have in my data I am making from scratch. Tell me the deadline you have for this, so I can try and have all the data done by then.

[TEWFan]

That sucks then! I will do them anyway and you just somehow copy them into your data. The fact of the mattter is, must of the title histories out there for WWC and IWA are very SCREWED UP and I have done major fixes to get them right. I was even thinking of releasing my Puerto Rico data as a separate download for all other mod makers to use.

[Jonfun]

A curious question, are you going to put K-Fed in yor mod?

[BGSU StrangeCupofTea]

While we are at it, let's add all the other cameo performers that have been involved with angles lately... Note my sarcasm, however, don't get me wrong or take me the wrong way by saying this - K-Fed is a helluva a lot better than John Cena on the mic work and with charisma. I know his wrestling stats will be low, but come on - got to give him credit in some regards.

Please, no flaming for me saying that. I'm an avid ROH fan, just, this is what I have to subject myself to each and every week to get my fix - WWE and TNA, which is improving quite a bit. Speaking of cameos, anyone for A.J. Pierzynski (sp?)...

[BigBissMM]

While we are at it, let's add all the other cameo performers that have been involved with angles lately... Note my sarcasm, however, don't get me wrong or take me the wrong way by saying this - K-Fed is a helluva a lot better than John Cena on the mic work and with charisma. I know his wrestling stats will be low, but come on - got to give him credit in some regards.

Please, no flaming for me saying that. I'm an avid ROH fan, just, this is what I have to subject myself to each and every week to get my fix - WWE and TNA, which is improving quite a bit. Speaking of cameos, anyone for A.J. Pierzynski (sp?)...

He Should be on the TNA Roster

[Horizon]

Good stuff, forlan.

Seriously can't wait for this.

Supoib :D

[Plus-44]

Man, I loved the T-Zone Mod for TEW2005, but i've never been this excited for a T-Zone Mod has I am now!

[Jonfun]

Won't this mod run really slow with all those workers and feds?

[The Gaz]

Won't this mod run really slow with all those workers and feds?

Not everybodys computer is slow like yours. :p

[Jonfun]

I have a good PC. 3.2 GHZ 1024MB 250 GB Pent 4 Hyper threading.

Not slow.

[The Gaz]

I have a good PC. 3.2 GHZ 1024MB 250 GB Pent 4 Hyper threading.

Not slow.

Good, no worries then. It shouldnt run slow unless something is wrong.

[Fezzik]

Whether it is slow or not this mod is my favorite just because it has all those workers and promotions.

[GoCardz12]

By no means am I rushing you here or trying to sound ungreatful because you do us an un real service by doing this mod for us but I was just wondering what the goal is for a release date of it? Thanks once again for doing such a great service for us!

[D16NJD16]

just out of curiosity and to pass time with debate, what do you have Kevin Federlines stats down for Forlan?

[Jonfun]

K-Fed should be good on Mic and Acting.
As he been training to be a wrestler does anyone know that?

Also will this mod have Lita, Big Show on Hiatus etc.

There could be some big names on free's to try and get signed up.

Also found this might be of use to Forlan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_professional_wrestling_promotions

[forlan]

To be honest on the K-Fed thing, not sure if he merits coming into the game, its a couple of one off appearances and his stats and such would be so terrible he'd just be a needless extra to the other workers list as WWE (If he ws there) would inevitably let him go on game day 1

[djthefunkchris]

To be honest on the K-Fed thing, not sure if he merits coming into the game, its a couple of one off appearances and his stats and such would be so terrible he'd just be a needless extra to the other workers list as WWE (If he ws there) would inevitably let him go on game day 1

Not that I want him in there or anything like that (cuz I really could care less, really), but.... For some reason it seems like the bussiness thing is working pretty darn good! I been messing around a bit, and I think I have Mr. McMahan kind of being like him in Real Life.

So, meaning, If he thinks (or the AI lets him think) that Mr. K-Federwhatever has good popularity (even bad popularity), He might keep him around a while.

Pluss, there are a couple of stats he is pretty darn good at... better then alot of the other wrestlers. That's his mouth, number one. He has good mic skill for sure. He can talk alot of crap, and looks like he means it. He also has some of the other things, such as intensity or menacing qualities. Not as big as his mic skills, but they are there. He might not be able to wrestle even a little bit (I really don't know though, he has never done anything yet, I guess it's going to be at some PPV soon, unless it already passed, and I missed it).

[D16NJD16]

To be honest on the K-Fed thing, not sure if he merits coming into the game, its a couple of one off appearances and his stats and such would be so terrible he'd just be a needless extra to the other workers list as WWE (If he ws there) would inevitably let him go on game day 1

But if I'm playing as WWE starting a game January 1st 2007 which I will be, I want the option to carry on the feud with Cena like WWE is doing. He should absoulutly be in, he's appeared on RAW more then a handful of times now, and he'll be wrestling Cena. It's not like he's Sylvester Stallone or something who really did just make an apperance.

[vocalorigami]

i dont know how you can say that he is good on the mic. When he has the mic and he is talking this facial expression are awful its like he is retarded or something. He is not that very good on the mic. In Mic Stats i would give him a 40% at best hehe :)

[RKO_HBK]

How about you wait for the mod, and if K-Fed isn't in, you just add him yourself? Not meaning to sound bitchy, but it's not that hard to do.

[IWWROCKS]

Best way would be to put him in there as a "personality" push. Makes most sense to me.

[The Gaz]

The best thing to do would be to leave the stupid f*ck out of the game.

[Plus-44]

If you need someone to do bio's for North American Workers, just PM me.

[forlan]

K-Fed seems to be done with WWE after 1/1 anyways, since a couple of days after hes going to be in the UK celebrity big brother

[forlan]

Progress Report

(X)Promotions - Currently 56
()Workers - Currently 3314
(X)Locations - Currently 1497
(X)Match Types - Currently 130
()Gimmicks - Need to do the new stats in the gimmicks section (Currently 306)
(X)Teams - Currently 1005
(X)Promotion Pacts - Currently 47
(X)Worker Relations - Currently 2027
(X)New promotions - Currently 6
(X)Angles - Currently 1965
(X)Storylines - Currently 126
(X)Stables - Currently 163
(X)Titles - Currently 224
(X)Injuries - Currently 95
(X)TV Shows - Currently 26
(X)TV Networks - Currently 116
(X)TV Show Slots - Currently 44
()Other TV Shows - Currently 37
(X)Events - Currently 273
(X)PPV Carriers - Currently 45
(X)PPV Agreements - Currently 27
()Title Lineage - LK on them (Currently 2682)
()Dojos - Currently 17
()New Workers - Currently 7
(X)Start Injuries - Unless someone gets injured
()Dojo Graduates - Currently 134
()Alter Egos - Aint started
()User Characters - ZERO

[flamebrain]

K-Fed seems to be done with WWE after 1/1 anyways, since a couple of days after hes going to be in the UK celebrity big brother


Jesus! As if I needed another reason to avoid the televisual abomination that is "BB".

[Sensai of Mattitude]

Jesus! As if I needed another reason to avoid the televisual abomination that is "BB".

You have to watch this one. Rumor has it that The Hoff is going in. :cool:

This mod seems to be going very well, can't wait for a release.

[BigBissMM]

Forlan is 56 the limit for promotions or is that just how many you are doing for this round of updates?

[forlan]

Just what is in at the moment, might end up more, might end up less if im honest, depending on closures and whatnot

[coldheat422]

please please please make sure some of the newer wwe guys called up in recent months who were not edited accordingly in the tew 05 latest update become edited stats wise.

[juggalowang]

any chance at ufc or mma promotions or if not maa guys as free agents?

[forlan]

Not unless they have been involved in wrestling as this is a WRESTLING sim and MMA isnt wrestling

[juggalowang]

okay ill just add them myself later no biggie

[juggalowang]

i would also like to thank you as i am a big fan of mods with huge amounts of workers the more wrestlers to choose from the better

[jimmy_shakerz]

Will you have some quebec wrestler other than El Generico or Kevin Steen ? Like Arsenal, PCO, Green Phantom, Franky the Mobster, Beef Wellington, Sexxxy Eddy, eXcEsS 69, Dan Paysan or Kid Kamikaze ? (All from IWS, the biggest indy promotion in quebec, have been with CZW a couple of time)

[forlan]

All of them have been in since our TEW04 updates, we have IWS, NCW, MWF and before it closed we had EWR, we actually had personal links with Eric "Nightmare Manson" Picard (sp) who owned and operated them until their closure. Plus i have dvd's from many quebec promotions so yeah they are in and many others are too.

[parkerUK]

tito ortiz was involved in TNA as a ref

not to pester but any news on rougly when its done so i know when to have to money to buy the game ready i dont wanna but it with out any real data i can play the fictional data

[forlan]

And that is why Tito has been in the data since the 05 update, and i've said it before, i dont give out a projected release date or anything because people just bitch. So it'll be here when its here, it certainly wont be done for the release tomorrow

[D16NJD16]

How about you wait for the mod, and if K-Fed isn't in, you just add him yourself? Not meaning to sound bitchy, but it's not that hard to do.

Right, and you can say that for EVERY WRESTLER IN THE GAME, but forlan is making a mod, SO HES MAKING THEM.

Federline is being payed by WWE therefore he should be on their contracted roster IMO.

[Sensai of Mattitude]

Right, and you can say that for EVERY WRESTLER IN THE GAME, but forlan is making a mod, SO HES MAKING THEM.

Federline is being payed by WWE therefore he should be on their contracted roster IMO.

But let's be realistic - I doubt that the mod will be released by 1/1, and even if it is, there's no point in adding him to the roster since the scenario would start in January and, if we're using caps all of a sudden, FEDERLINE IS ONLY MAKING ONE APPEARANCE IN JANUARY.

[jimmy_shakerz]

But it's a scenario.. you're not supposed to follow everything the WWE is doing.. If you want you can make a feud with K-Fed vs. Carlito or bringing CM Punk in DX!

[D16NJD16]

But let's be realistic - I doubt that the mod will be released by 1/1, and even if it is, there's no point in adding him to the roster since the scenario would start in January and, if we're using caps all of a sudden, FEDERLINE IS ONLY MAKING ONE APPEARANCE IN JANUARY.

Like Jimmy Shakerz~! says, while it's true that at this moment, and things change very quickly, that WWE will use him only in the 1st part of January, that doesn't mean someone starting a game as WWE shouldn't be able to choose to use him more often.

[Tree]

Forlan - don't let the details and the "hey, is Bob N. Neilbeforea**** gonna be the game?" questions drag you down.

you're doing a GREAT service for fans like me who want to play with the real world wrestlers and be armchair bookers, and a little patience ain't gonna hurt any of us.

i mean, for god's sake. the new year is upon us. shouldn't y'all be finding someone to shag in a night or two, to ring in the new year with a proper bang? sheesh....

[flamebrain]

And I thought K-Fed was unpopular, he's getting more posts than anyone else! :)

If the majority want him in, then he should go in, if not then those that want him can simply put him in. I agree with the sentiment that, if the mod is released after he's through with WWE then he should be left out since its supposed to be accurate and all otherwise I DEMAND PETE ROSE!!! :D

(is Robocop still wrestling?)

[djthefunkchris]

Far as the K-Fed thing, or any other celebrity/anti-celebrity goes.... You can always add these folks in yourself. If your playing the WWE or TNA or any other promotion that might use a celebrity, you can always make them, bring them in for a couple of angle's/match's, storylines, or whatever, then get rid of them just as fast as you want through the editor.

To have the mod maker's concern themselves with every non-wrestler that has a bit part in one of the promotions is really non-productive. I know it's alot easier to have them in there already, but..... You can always ask Forlan, or any of the other mod maker's what stats they would put on anyone you want, after their Mod's are released.

In the long run, I think (doesn't mean I'm right) you would probably have a better diary, or just plain old game. What if Keven never shows up again? That is a possibility. He might only show up this monday night, and never again as well. So then you would be stuck with a celeb in the game that is doing absolutely nothing in real life in the wrestling world.

However, if you wait, and the MOD Is released, you might find two or three other celebrities in the wrestling world, and be able to bring them into yours exactly when you want.

In the passed, I've made mods that only house celebrities, or other sports figure, for a way of bringing them in my world through the editor (importing them), and after being done, I ussually have them leave the bussiness, or go on Hiatus. Returning only if I am wanting to use them again.

[KRadiation]

past

[forlan]

Sadly due to the ongoing elicense UK problems my TEW is frozen unless i uninstall then re-install the demo which is just a hassle. Was gonna do loads of data work today but alas i will be doing none until i get the game :(

[TsuMirren]

A 2 minute hassle you lazy puddle of monkey ploppy poo hehe Get it freaking re-installed. Funnily enough, I've no elicense problem atall...must be an English thing.

Seriously though, chop chop sunshine come on.

[Sensai of Mattitude]

But it's a scenario.. you're not supposed to follow everything the WWE is doing.. If you want you can make a feud with K-Fed vs. Carlito or bringing CM Punk in DX!

Yes, but that's entirely up to you, and you including K-Fed in your scenario if you want to. forlan is going by reality, which is that K-Fed won't be sticking around, therefore it's up to whoever wants K-Fed in their game to add him.

[creepshow]

yeah...see, K-Fed is not a wrestler...if you want someone to add him in you have to add in Dennis Rodman, David Arquette and Karl Malone as inactive workers since they wrestled in WCW years ago...

its just not worth it to the people making the mod....

but if you seriously think that K-Fed will have a title run down the line...or you want to book him (and really, who wants that)...by all means, create him yourself and leave these guys to get stuff correct on the indies and other feds

[The Stallion]

Im gonna throw my two cent in here and also say I am looking foward to the release of this MOD. However I do have one question. As most people may know, I am in the Navy, and at the end of January I am going out to sea for about 45 days, give or take a few. I was just wondering if, Forlan, you might be able to let me know (via pm or some other way) if the MOD will be released before the tail end of January. I currently have TEW07 and although I am enjoying the C-Verse, I would much rather play as a real world company with wrestlers. If you are able to let me know (and I get the answer I am hoping for), it is going to make that month and a 1/2 underway go by very quickly. Thanks Forlan

[DarkMaverick87]

what is the expected release date of this mod? anyone know? t-zone is by far the best (well... at least in my opinion... haha)

[jimmy_shakerz]

What are your plans for the release ?

I'd like to bring CM Punk, Ric Flair and Kenny Dykstra in D-X. I'd build up a feud between Ric Flair and Kenny with Flair "teaching" Kenny and ending it up with a great match won by Kenny and a great show of respect to Flair.

Cryme Tyme turn heel with John Cena and win the Tag Team championship.

Bring Abyss to Smackdown to make him and Freakin' Deacon or Vladimir Kozlov feud with The Brothers of Destruction.

Bring Monty Brown, Jack Evans, and a couple of fresh faces from the development territories to ECW ( like "Mad" Mikey Mondo and J.J. (Johnny) Jeter from the Spirit Squad )

Val Venis should be transfered to Smackdown and feud for the U.S. Title and if he gets over well, the World Title.

Build the cruiserweight division on smackdown and replace the women division on RAW by the Tag Team division (MNM, Hardyz, Cryme Tyme, Cade & Murdoch, Highlanders and i'd like to get one or two indy team like The Naturals, America's Most Wanted, The Briscoes or create a japanese team with people like Tanahashi managed by Chono. )

Bring Back the Draft right after the Royal Rumble
1. ECW draft from "unrestricted free agents" Monty Brown
2. Smackdown! draft from RAW Chris Masters
3. RAW draft from ECW CM Punk

1. RAW draft from Smackdown! Sylvan
2. Smackdown! draft from ECW Kevin Thorn and Ariel
3. ECW draft from RAW Gene Snitsky

1. ECW draft from RAW, Spirit Squad members Mikey and Johnny
2. Smackdown draft from RAW Val Venis
3. RAW draft from ECW Rene Dupree

[forlan]

Glad i didnt put Claudio Castagnoli on DSW yet, seems WWE screwed him over

Wrestling Observer Quote


"News from the new Observer is that WWE released him last week before they even assigned him anywhere. The reason are unknown. They only told him there would a number of firings soon and to get in contact with all the promotions he worked so that they can continue to book him. He even canceled a Japan tour in order to start in one of the developmental territories."

[varney]

claudio deserves better, but forlan is there any rough eta?

[D16NJD16]

I like Claudio better with Hero. He would have been Salvatore Sincere 2007 if he was in WWE.

[BigBissMM]

claudio deserves better, but forlan is there any rough eta?

he dont do ETAs its ready when its ready type deal that way if he needs an extra day or 2 to make it perfect theres no big hopla on the boards, good idea if you ask me but I too im dieing here waiting.

[D16NJD16]

Something I hated in the real life mods from 05 were of the angles, being rated on incorrect things. Maybe I was just using poorly made angle packs but I would see ones that were esstentially interview angles, with maybe a challenge or something added into them, and they would be rated on "entertainment" rather then "Microphone skill". I can't think of an arguement for that. Doing any angle that is a promo or interview(ie talking into a microphone) for more then a minute should be rated on Microphone skill.

[varney]

i cant wait any longer~~~~~~~~~~~~

[Horizon]

WE'VE GOT TO, varney, WE'VE GOT TO! :D

[parkerUK]

forlan..........you can doooooo it!!!!!

[DarkMaverick87]

I... need... this... mod...

[forlan]

Please stop spamming :p

[Carter]

Could we have a beta version now? :)

[Togg]

i wouldnt mind a pre ready version myself, cornellverse is to difficult to use when you dont know any of the people, i think. So im hyped to the make for the T-Zone mod
:D :D :Dso thanks forlan:D :D :D

[forlan]

Progress Report

(X)Promotions - Currently 56
()Workers - Currently 3326
(X)Locations - Currently 1497
(X)Match Types - Currently 130
()Gimmicks - Need to do the new stats in the gimmicks section, done up to C's (Currently 306)
(X)Teams - Currently 1005
(X)Promotion Pacts - Currently 47
(X)Worker Relations - Currently 2039
(X)New promotions - Currently 6
(X)Angles - Currently 1965
(X)Storylines - Currently 126
(X)Stables - Currently 163
(X)Titles - Currently 224
(X)Injuries - Currently 95
(X)TV Shows - Currently 26
(X)TV Networks - Currently 117
(X)TV Show Slots - Currently 45
()Other TV Shows - Currently 37
(X)Events - Currently 273
(X)PPV Carriers - Currently 45
(X)PPV Agreements - Currently 27
()Title Lineage - LK on them (Currently 2682)
()Dojos - Currently 43
()New Workers - Currently 9
(X)Start Injuries - Unless someone gets injured
()Dojo Graduates - Currently 170
()Alter Egos - Aint started
()User Characters - ZERO

[Horizon]

:D :D :D

Can't wait mate.

[BigBissMM]

New workers ? how many of these do you plan on doing?

[Sensai of Mattitude]

Progress is going great, by the looks of it.

[forlan]

Not sure, probs about 15 or so for first release as the game can also generate its own new workers so its not like you could ever run out or anything.

New workers are second gen stars and a couple of ameteurs but some of them have interesting little tidbits like one of them i made have a severe drink and drugs problem and one a protege of Kurt Angle, just random things to make them a little different.

[Harmor]

I started playing your T-Zone Mod for 2005 in the meantime while waiting for your new release. Works like a charm so far, first mod with which I am getting somewhat decent (albeit realistic) results not only for my shows with PWG but also across the game world. Can't wait for your work forlan. Kudos.

[Carter]

Looks great Forlan. Really can't wait pal and kudos for the effort.

[parkerUK]

dam that sounds like its nearly done, dont give a **** about alter egos just hope you dont spend to long on them

[skillz17]

Wow this does actually look incredible. When do you reckon it'll be done by?

[Horizon]

I started playing your T-Zone Mod for 2005 in the meantime while waiting for your new release. Works like a charm so far, first mod with which I am getting somewhat decent (albeit realistic) results not only for my shows with PWG but also across the game world. Can't wait for your work forlan. Kudos.

Aye, it's easily the funnest (is that a word?) mod i've played so far, and its really well thought-out and put together.

I liked RaveX, but forlan gets it just right, IMO.

[The-619]

I really can't wait for this mod to come out, C-Verse is annoying to play after a while, I've been playing since the demo and I think I'm pretty much sick of it but for the real life mods I can play for ages like I did in 05 about 6 months on real life mods.

I hope you don't take too much longer

[kevel33]

you should have a few people do betas.

[cyberkitten01]

I really can't wait for this mod to come out, C-Verse is annoying to play after a while, I've been playing since the demo and I think I'm pretty much sick of it but for the real life mods I can play for ages like I did in 05 about 6 months on real life mods.

I hope you don't take too much longer

Same here. I'm having a hell of a time in the Cornellverse since there aren't many talented unemployed people (since my owner block says I can't sign anyone already working), and I'm a national promotion with no TV deal, and because of my product (a kind of modern entertainment hardcore thing) I can't seem to land a TV deal anywhere! Bah

[forlan]

you should have a few people do betas.

I have thanks :)

[Solarstorm]

If this comes out tomorrow NYE I´m gonna screw NYE ;)

[Carter]

Its coming out tonight...

...I feel it in my fingers......i feel it in my toes.

Wait...no...that'll be the stroke again...I may need some medical attention...

[Horizon]

If it comes out tonight i won't be going to bed, so either way i win, i guess ;)

[forlan]

Since im going in the bath then watching Match of the Day it is a 0% chance that it'll be out tonight, no promises but im *hoping* sometime next week but i also have quite a bit of uni work to do next week so im not confirming.

[Jonfun]

I think it will be a while yet.

[Blasphemywebleed]

This mod shall make me smile :)

[ACCBiggz]

I just hope workers like Kurt Angle (for example) don't have drug issues and what not... only because there has been no solid proof of their problem. Just hearsay from internet people, not exactly your reliable source.

[parkerUK]

dam

[Genadi]

I just hope workers like Kurt Angle (for example) don't have drug issues and what not... only because there has been no solid proof of their problem. Just hearsay from internet people, not exactly your reliable source.

Kurt admitted himself he had drug issues mate that isn't heresay. He's over em know depending on who you believe but it was obvious he was abusing thm for a while there.

[forlan]

And that is why Former Steroid user will be ticked

[Genadi]

And that is why Former Steroid user will be ticked

Someone knows what they're doing :p

[parkerUK]

i will send you £5 paypal if its released in the next 2 days

[Sensai of Mattitude]

i will send you £5 paypal if its released in the next 2 days

Dude, it's hardly a matter of him being able to do it but he doesn't want to, he's hardly going to work all day long just because one person is desperate. People need to maintain social lives, plus my brother's been through Uni and I know how important it is.

[legendkiller13]

well just an update on the title histories, there are 3494 and counting as of now, i need to send forlan the updated file. I still have a bit more to do on those (damn hardcore titles take forever). I also have no clue how close forlan is with everything else. But i will say it shouldnt be too much longer before it is done. :)

[Horizon]

^ Great work mate.

[forlan]

Last thing i did for today was finish up gimmicks, the only thing i really see taking a while is alter-egos

[djthefunkchris]

I think it was your database I first played on EWR... If it's even half as complete as that was, your just plain awesome dude, lol.

[forlan]

Sadly you are mistaken, T-Zone began as TEWZone back on TEW04, then we turned into T-Zone and did updates for TEW05 and now we are back for TEW07 as "T-Zone Enterprises Sponsored by EWInventory.com" or maybe just T-Zone still <_<

[Horizon]

Who's that in your avatar, forlan? I always think it's Torrie Wilson in her kimono days :D

[forlan]

It's Rebecca Knox

[Horizon]

Ah, right. Nice. :D

[The-619]

Title lineage would be very annoying to do, I can't imagine how hard it would be to do the Hardcore Title!

[Tree]

It's Rebecca Knox

man. poor K-nox. i believe she has the potential to be one of the greatest women wrestlers, but that head injury she suffered earlier this year may end her career.

her promos and matches in SHIMMER were outstanding, and she is super smokin' to boot.

and i don't believe she's even 20 yet.

[forlan]

Shes 20 in Jan (2 months before i hit the big 20) talking about her, last time i saw her mention anything was in October saying she'd update people on her progress but she aint even signed into her myspace since around that time too, hope shes ok :(

[Kezman]

Wanting for the T-Zone to come out, that will be huge. People like you Forlan should be very proud of themselfs.

Be proud man,

Many thanks from Sweden!

[Blasphemywebleed]

Wanting for the T-Zone to come out, that will be huge. People like you Forlan should be very proud of themselfs.

Be proud man,

Many thanks from Sweden!

Seconded, but I do have to say that i'm very happy that most modders on the site didnt give in to peer pressure and release anything at the first chance. Although i've never done a mod myself for TEW I do know these things take time and a lot of effort to complete. Looking forward to this one when its finished and ready to be released.

[Carter]

Happy new year everyone. Feel very ruff would be nice too chill out and play T-Zone all day whilst vomiting...:)

[Benneto]

awsome man this sounds very cool cant wait to play it haha will give me a break from uni work

[MrBriggs]

Jesus, I seriously can't wait for this. I can't even play a TEW game with T-Zone so I'm waiting patiently lol

My dynasties are so complicated with charts, word documents and excel spreadsheets so I don't want to waste my time putting something together with temp data.

Thanks for this, you're the man forlan

[SageFury268]

What does everyone think will be better, T-Zone or 1RC?

[Togg]

T-zone, it has much a much larger worker database:D

[varney]

god COME OUT!!!
but seriouslly come out soon please

[The Stallion]

Hey I dont want to sound like a prick or anything, but the onlything that happens everytime one of us says "PLEASE COME OUT" is that we add another post to the thread. Thats it, nothing more, nothing less. Ill be the first to admit that I want to play a real world data as much as any one of you and I want it out soon as well (more so then most of you prob since I am in the Navy and I am leaving for 40 some-odd days at the end of the month and would love to have something to play while underway), but us asking for it is not going to make it come out any sooner. Again I am not trying to sound like a prick or anything but I am just trying to save us from useless posts (like this one :D ). We all want a quality mod and thats what we are going to get if we wait.

[Consrvtve]

I agree with stallion. I haven't even purchased the game yet becuase I won't play it without RL data. We all appreciate Forlan's (& team's) hard work but begging for it won't help it come out any sooner.

BTW, thanks for your service Stallion

[D16NJD16]

well at least it shows people are enthusiastic about the mod.

[varney]

lil motivation and enthusiasm never hurt anyone

[The Stallion]

Like I said guys, Im not trying to be a prick or step on anyones toes. I just think that the mod makers shoul take all the time they need to create these mods to the best of there ability and in no way should be influenced by our "Please Hurry I Want To Play This So Bad"s. Trust me, these guys know that there is a lot of hype and anticipation for these mods and they know we are waiting on the edge of our seats for them. Again I want to point out that I am not trying to be a dick or anything, just trying to save some space (another usless post brought to you by The Stallion:D )

Oh and Consrvtve, thanks for the props man. When somebody you dont even know give you a "thank you" it really makes it all worth it.

[RIsk2005]

Totally agree with Stallion on this one. I mean i see this thread getting bigger and also i see other threads popping up asking the same question over and over again. I mean i want this mod the day TEW 2007 came out! I won't play C verse! I want it now also, but there's other things more meaningful out there like Forlan's School! and real life. So we should all sit there patiently waiting for the mod to come out whenever it comes out. It should be out by the end of this week! If it comes out sooner that's fine, but by the end of this week we will probably be playing real life wrestling at it's best, courtesy of all the hard work Forlan did!

Risk

[KeyserSoze]

Well. I just want to thank the effort and the skill that the modmakers made. I love CVerse, but the more chances you have, the merrier you could be.

Good work :D

[TNARUDOWN]

What is the percentage done with T-Zone, this is my favorite mod and really wanna know when its coming out?

[D16NJD16]

Is cyberkitten the only female to ever play TEW? I believe so.

[cyberkitten01]

Like I said guys, Im not trying to be a prick or step on anyones toes

Oh and Consrvtve, thanks for the props man. When somebody you dont even know give you a "thank you" it really makes it all worth it.

You're not being a dick, you're like an anchor of sanity in a sea of crazy fanboys :) I love T-Zone and hate the war(s) in the Middle East, but I'll also say thank you to you for protecting your country. I wouldn't have the balls- errr... ovaries to do that. It's good to know TEW and T-Zone have a wide appeal

T-Zone will reign supreme! :D
</fangirl>

Is cyberkitten the only female to ever play TEW? I believe so.

Lol, I'm sure I'm not. There's at least one other girl in the world who likes wrestling, but I might be the only one actively posting here :P

[D16NJD16]

Lol, I'm sure I'm not. There's at least one other girl in the world who likes wrestling, but I might be the only one actively posting here :P

No, it's just you.

[forlan]

I think you are overlooking most likely the "Original" female of TEW, Torri

[forlan]

Not liking to double post but just to say that B-Unit has pulled a stellar performance and all the title histories info could be found on are done.

[MrKain]

Nah, there's definitely another girl who plays it, as I talk to her on a regular basis... she's just not active on this forum that much...

Anyway, I can't wait until this is done... the Cornell-verse really just doesn't hold my attention. :(

[MrBriggs]

Not liking to double post but just to say that B-Unit has pulled a stellar performance and all the title histories info could be found on are done.

So what else is left, now? Just finishing up the workers and gimmicks? Great progress!

[cyberkitten01]

I think you are overlooking most likely the "Original" female of TEW, Torri

Indeedy! She's the Queen of TEW :) The title histories should be a really good addition to an excellent mod

[D16NJD16]

Yeah~!

[Harmor]

I have a quick question for Forlan - do you have any estimated percentage on how many of your workers in the mod come with a pic? Sorry if this was asked before, but the thread is fairly long, might have overlooked it.

[forlan]

Well there will be pics released with the data but not pics for everyone as that would be way too big, its just the ones who didnt have one (Taking into account all the kyky as well as other packs that have been released, so if you dont have them your pretty knackered as my pics file for tew is hundreds of mb) and a few updated ones

[Harmor]

Awesomeness .. I am using your T-Zone 05 right now (converted, and not really polished either and it shows lol >_<) and I have a lot of those pics already so it's great that some missing pics will be in the mod. Great news!

[The-619]

forlan, would you be able to give us an update on what you've done?

[The Stallion]

You're not being a dick, you're like an anchor of sanity in a sea of crazy fanboys :) I love T-Zone and hate the war(s) in the Middle East, but I'll also say thank you to you for protecting your country. I wouldn't have the balls- errr... ovaries to do that. It's good to know TEW and T-Zone have a wide appeal

The funny thing is, I dont support the war myself and it constantly makes me question the fact that I am in the Navy. However I take a look and realize that besides this bogus war (thats my opinion, please lets not start a flame war), there ARE real threatsout there and I am part of the common good. Besides, Im only a cook. I dont push the buttons I, flip the burgers (on a Submarine no less). Sorry for going off topic, just wanted to respond to cyberkitten.

[HugeRockStar760]

The funny thing is, I dont support the war myself and it constantly makes me question the fact that I am in the Navy. However I take a look and realize that besides this bogus war (thats my opinion, please lets not start a flame war), there ARE real threatsout there and I am part of the common good. Besides, Im only a cook. I dont push the buttons I, flip the burgers (on a Submarine no less). Sorry for going off topic, just wanted to respond to cyberkitten.

There was NOTHING bogus about this war. If you think it is bogus, don't back off, explain your reasoning. I think it will sound very humorous and nothing more than talking points that liberals have mislead you to believe.

Saddam defied the United Nations resolutions countless times. Sanctions, embargoes, etc didn't work. Saddam openly supported terrorists organizations like Hamas who carried out homicide bombings in Israel. Hamas hates the United States as well. There is nothing to stop a group like Hamas from doing the same thing to the United States as well.

Unless you're saying that the be all and end all of terrorism is Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, which is basically similar to sticking your head in the sand. The mastermind of 9/11, Khalid-Sheikh Mohammed was captured. Who cares if bin Laden is captured? He is just one of many faces to a cause that is radical Islam.

I just find it odd that liberals in general will shout about WHAT ABOUT NORTH KOREA when they come out so anti-war about Iraq. Let's face it. A war with North Korea would be FAR worse than a war with Iraq. It's not the same at all, and you gung ho liberals who want us to invade North Korea would jeopardize MILLIONS of South Koreans, Japanese, and even the Chinese.

The only thing that can be questioned is the after war planning. Don't be fooled. America won the war. A true war is against a nation state. Iraq is a democratic society, albeit struggling, thanks to our intervention. For you liberals to come out and act like the war was wrong is as if you're speaking on behalf of millions of Iraqis. Maybe YOU should've been living in Iraqi during Saddam's regime, then you wouldn't be so quick to say "this war was wrong."

If you don't believe me, research whatever you want on Saddam. You're not going to find any positives unless you go to the New York Times or other liberal slanted websites (my favorite: he knew how to run a country).

[rd_dbacks01]

when did this become a thread about the war?

[NickC13573]

ya, and I do think that he didnt want to start a flame war.

[HugeRockStar760]

ya, and I do think that he didnt want to start a flame war.

Oh please. If they didn't want to start a flamewar, they wouldn't have mentioned anything about their opinion on the war, one way or the other, in a thread about a mod to Total Extreme Wrestling. In my opinion, when someone outright says, "they don't like the war", in a thread like this, it is an invitation for me to explore why they don't like it.

Now, if I had been the one who originally had said "While I love the fact we're being aggressive in fighting terrorism, a sharp contrast to the Clinton Administration of the 1990s..., but I don't want to start anything..." Then I would be fully to blame for any flamewars.

[D16NJD16]

this Mod board is where the war is at tonight, ill tell ya what.

[Johnny Fenoli]

There was NOTHING bogus about this war. If you think it is bogus, don't back off, explain your reasoning. I think it will sound very humorous and nothing more than talking points that liberals have mislead you to believe.

Saddam defied the United Nations resolutions countless times. Sanctions, embargoes, etc didn't work. Saddam openly supported terrorists organizations like Hamas who carried out homicide bombings in Israel. Hamas hates the United States as well. There is nothing to stop a group like Hamas from doing the same thing to the United States as well.

Unless you're saying that the be all and end all of terrorism is Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda, which is basically similar to sticking your head in the sand. The mastermind of 9/11, Khalid-Sheikh Mohammed was captured. Who cares if bin Laden is captured? He is just one of many faces to a cause that is radical Islam.

I just find it odd that liberals in general will shout about WHAT ABOUT NORTH KOREA when they come out so anti-war about Iraq. Let's face it. A war with North Korea would be FAR worse than a war with Iraq. It's not the same at all, and you gung ho liberals who want us to invade North Korea would jeopardize MILLIONS of South Koreans, Japanese, and even the Chinese.

The only thing that can be questioned is the after war planning. Don't be fooled. America won the war. A true war is against a nation state. Iraq is a democratic society, albeit struggling, thanks to our intervention. For you liberals to come out and act like the war was wrong is as if you're speaking on behalf of millions of Iraqis. Maybe YOU should've been living in Iraqi during Saddam's regime, then you wouldn't be so quick to say "this war was wrong."

If you don't believe me, research whatever you want on Saddam. You're not going to find any positives unless you go to the New York Times or other liberal slanted websites (my favorite: he knew how to run a country).



To keep this off subject....


I think someone who's participating in an event... like a WAR... has a more important opinion and a whole lot better view point, than someone who isnt.

Why would you come at someone and attempt to belittle his opinion, when he obviously had NO intentions to start a debate on something so off topic. Maybe if you're looking for the proper forum you should give the people at CSPAN a call.

[rd_dbacks01]

just to clear things up i'm not trying to start a flame war. i just don't like long posts about nothing.

[NickC13573]

Oh please. If they didn't want to start a flamewar, they wouldn't have mentioned anything about their opinion on the war, one way or the other, in a thread about a mod to Total Extreme Wrestling. In my opinion, when someone outright says, "they don't like the war", in a thread like this, it is an invitation for me to explore why they don't like it.


Well I dont like the war... Becuz I just dont like the way its been handled. We are in Iraq with an open ended objective, If you tell me that its not open ended I will slap you. When the president says that they wont get out until hes out of office, I consider that F'n open ended. But seeing as we are at war, I will support them and I if I get chosen to go when I enroll to the National Guard. I will want people to support me, like the war or not.

[HugeRockStar760]

Well I dont like the war... Becuz I just dont like the way its been handled. We are in Iraq with an open ended objective, If you tell me that its not open ended I will slap you. When the president says that they wont get out until hes out of office, I consider that F'n open ended. But seeing as we are at war, I will support them and I if I get chosen to go when I enroll to the National Guard. I will want people to support me, like the war or not.

Wars should be open ended. Why? You're inviting the enemy to wait until the troops are out to strike again. If you come out and say, "We are withdrawing troops in X amount of months/years", it would be a disaster. I'd much rather have the job done right over there, with our military training the Iraqi army and police to do things right, so they can guard their citizens, then rush the job and have the country go back to tyrants worse than Saddam.

I am telling you, it is people like you who would've done a grave dissservice to this country in the generation of World War 2. There is absolutely little to no patience with wars nowadays. Slowly, ever since World War 2, there's been an erosion in the culture of this country that is putting us at risk for something worse than 9/11...We don't learn from history. Islamofacists are the 21st century ****s. Watch the documentary Obsession to understand that.

Why would you come at someone and attempt to belittle his opinion, when he obviously had NO intentions to start a debate on something so off topic. Maybe if you're looking for the proper forum you should give the people at CSPAN a call.

It's amazing how his initial post is fine and dandy, especially since you two share the same opinion about the war. Please, you lost your credibility there. If the roles had been reversed and I had said something in support of the war and said I was in the Navy, Army, etc, I would've been flamed. The point is, if he or you do not want an opinion shouted back at you, the common sense approach would be to say nothing at all in the first place.