Death of the Territories Released

[Dolfanar]

Wow, this thread is getting un-bear-able... get it? Get it? See what I did there?

Oh and don't be dissing Lee Wong from Hong Kong... do you have any idea how hard I had to lobby to get him in there? 4 months plus a *banning* get's you Lee Wong my friends... a little appreciation PLEASE!

[Anubis]

Real Bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bC_0R6q_kA

Real Bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kc3OVAbtTL8

Real Bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPftH9qVH4A

Real Scarry Bear (not as trained) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=76KhO4f-UGY

Real Bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wbT3GiHqFU

Real Bear http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25BIVy7g0X8

And thats it for me tonight, if you guys don't get it, then so be it, lol.

The first one looks fake, the rest mostly look real. No one else sees the difference between these? I still think the first one was kayfabe. Not sure about the Tracy Smothers one, though, that could be real or fake, especially given how there was no muzzle and Smothers managed to not get eaten.

Anyway, who is Lee Wong from Hong Kong? Did I miss something somewhere?

[Vladamire Dracos]

You guys realize that those vids were taped in the 50's-60's, right? If Victor was just a guy in a bear suit (instead of a real 400+ pound bear), the people in the front row would've been able to tell, because costuming just wasn't that good in that time period. Also, you'll note that Dick Beyer (Destroyer/Doctor X) mentions that you have to "keep that bear busy, dive into him" because the bear just thinks it's just play and could easily get distracted by the audience and go check things out or head back to it's cage instead of wrestling. Victor also sits down to drink his coke in the ring, just like Ted in that photo with his rootbeer on that site DJ Chris linked (although I think the story about the girlfriend is a work to put over Ted and give reason to the non-finish to the match with Frankie Cain). Oh, and this same bear is mentioned in Roddy Piper's book. ;) Seriously guys, don't you trust my judgement at all?

It's kinda funny, in the first vid (Destroyer vs. Victor) Beyer is a face (hence the legal forearm/Tuffy Truesdale going after him with the chain leading to Destroyer being "robbed" via DQ) while in the second (Doc X vs. Victor) he's working heel (and thus illegally strikes the bear with a closed fist and gives Victor the win via DQ).

Edit: Oh, and love those vids DJ Chris!
"Caesar what're you doing with your nose back there? We told you to say no to crack!"

Edit:
Anyway, who is Lee Wong from Hong Kong? Did I miss something somewhere?
http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/l/lee-wong.html

[D. Boon's Ghost]

This is fabulous. Kayfabe is alive, I guess. :)

In all cases, those are actual bears. I don't expect you to believe me - or anyone else, but it's a fact. Wrestling bears were a part of the kayfabe presentation. Just like Moolah and her ladies and Jack Britton and his midgets.

For a long time, that was the entire schtick of Dave McKigney; aka Gene Dubois: 'The Canadian Wildman' and his wrestling bears.

And if Ted being in D.O.T.T. causes such disbelief - imagine what will happen when it is discovered Victor is in, too!

The funny thing: I bet you any money that someone will look at this and scoff. 'Wrestling Bears? What a joke! When's T-Zone coming out??' ;)

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And thanks to Caninrok for pointing out the Apt Pupil storyline error. Fixed.

[Dolfanar]

The funny thing: I bet you any money that someone will look at this and scoff. 'Wrestling Bears? What a joke! When's T-Zone coming out??' ;)

It's not coming out at all... Ted ate it!

[Vladamire Dracos]

This is fabulous. Kayfabe is alive, I guess. :)

In all cases, those are actual bears. I don't expect you to believe me - or anyone else, but it's a fact. Wrestling bears were a part of the kayfabe presentation. Just like Moolah and her ladies and Jack Britton and his midgets.

For a long time, that was the entire schtick of Dave McKigney; aka Gene Dubois: 'The Canadian Wildman' and his wrestling bears.

And if Ted being in D.O.T.T. causes such disbelief - imagine what will happen when it is discovered Victor is in, too!

I, for one, LOVE Ted's inclusion in the D.O.T.T. series of data mods. Heh, one time in Wrestling Spirit I made Ted active and used him as my character simply because it was so different. Anyone can play as The Rock, but where else but D.O.T.T. are you going to get the chance to play a wrestling freakin' Bear???

... Victor is in D.O.T.T. too?? Hehe. I was going to hire Ted for fun and jobber mauling (HELLO Dizzy Ed! Do I have a job for you! :D ), but thanks to that I now have an idea for regularly using him! Wonder how much I could draw with a Bear vs. Bear match?? ;)

[wakuwakufujiland]

Just wanted to say how much fun I'm having so far with Watts' Mid-South. Kudos to everyone who worked on this, because I could never get into a game in TEW like I could in EWR. But this mod has definately changed that. I'm so caught up in this game that I can see me playing it for years and years game time.

*I'm elevating Magnum TA thru a feud with Dick Murdoch over the Mid-South TV title which Magnum just won.Murdoch has just recently joined Devastation Inc. to get him involved with the JYD/Kamala feud. Murdoch isn't that happy about it, but they have already put on two B* matches, so screw 'em!

*JYD is currently warring against Devastation Inc. as well, particuarly against Kamala and Akbar. At first this feud was topping the cards, but once The Rat Pack started picking up steam, it was a given that they would be getting top billing. I'm gonna have to shake things up a bit, because they are only pulling about a C in match quality.

*Mr Wrestling II, Steve Williams and Ricky Steamboat (on loan from MACW) have had a great series of matches with The Rat Pack (mostly DiBiase).

*Adrian Street and Miss Linda are driving Watts crazy with their Genderbending gimmick. It looks like Watts may be stepping into the ring pretty soon to smack the makeup out of 'em.
I bet no one else that picked MSW has this match in the cards!

* Went Out and hired the good ol' Tulsa Tornado himself, Dennis Stamp! How can I resist?

* Also picked up the Fabulous Ones a few days back. They are going to start a string of matches with the Rat Pack members Mr. Olympia and Jim Duggan, while Williams and II go against DiBiase and Borne. I'm gonna throw a few 8-Man elimination matches in their to.

Other Happenings:

*At the end of the 1st month, Hogan, Ventura, and Steamboat have been given PPA contracts by the WWF, but Backlund is still warring against the Samoans. Thank god I got Steamboat for 3 shows thru a talent trade with MACW before he went to the WWF!

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Also, I have one quick question to someone that has read this crazy rant, it's about feuds in TEW. Am I right in assuming that you just end the feud after the blowoff match manually for a Unchained Storyline? There isn't a end feud Agent note right?

[Sartagis]

after weeks of discussion and 3,823 crackers and butter
I'd like to point out that of said 3, 823 crackers and butter I received 6!!


Bunch of grubby bastards...*grumbles*

[djthefunkchris]

Also, I have one quick question to someone that has read this crazy rant, it's about feuds in TEW. Am I right in assuming that you just end the feud after the blowoff match manually for a Unchained Storyline? There isn't a end feud Agent note right?

No end note, but I believe you can evolve it into another storyline if you so wish to. Also, you don't want to end any feuds too soon, not sure how the unchained works in this respect though, but I believe it could have some bad momentum things happen if you chop it down too quickly.

I enjoyed reading your post... All of it! Thanks for sharing:-)

[Anubis]

1. Don't get me wrong, I have no "problem" with the wrestling bears. It was just a "WTF" moment for me. The wrestling bears have no impact on my promotion, heh.

2. You can't evolve unchained storylines, though I wish you could.

[wakuwakufujiland]

1. Don't get me wrong, I have no "problem" with the wrestling bears. It was just a "WTF" moment for me. The wrestling bears have no impact on my promotion, heh.

2. You can't evolve unchained storylines, though I wish you could.


So I assume that that means that I just end it after the big blowoff?

I also assume that it's the same 14 point system as EWR? That is, 14 promos and matches until there is a favorable outcome?

[Ping von Erich]

Unchained mean just that, anything goes.. have them in a segment together and it furthers the fued, it can go as long or short a duration as you want.. have as many promos, angles, or matches as you want.. end it any time you wish.

The beauty of an unchained feud.

[djthefunkchris]

Tell tell signs, like the grades start to drop, or max out. Like you keep it going for a while and it steadily improves from c to c+ then around B+ it might come to a standstill, and not improve... Probably that time would be best.

Interesting that you point out the 14 point system... Might be something for you to look into..

I believe you will get a message when going to end it if the outcome might be bad. I don't know because I haven't used any unchained, or at least haven't ended any yet. I remember their being a message in the 05 version though.

[Ransik]

I was wondering, now that Adam made it possible to import people into the New Workers section, any plans on adding more on a future update?

[djthefunkchris]

I was wondering, now that Adam made it possible to import people into the New Workers section, any plans on adding more on a future update?

Finishing locations files, and fixing problems was first on the list (such as storyline problems, etc.). There has been in the past and I'm sure will be again, talk of adding them into it. Meanwhile, because of this new feature, it will allow one to do it themselves, alla using other data, however, the game won't be balanced this way, unless you modify it yourself as well (probably why you asked anyways).

I'm hoping that they will eventually have them all in... That list (on the new worker thread for DOTT) is pretty much what was being worked on in the first place, unless someone does a satisfactory job before hand, I'm sure they (as in the guys who gave you the mod) will get around to it.

The problem is they already had the names, and although importing several from other database's will surely speed it up, they will still have to change stats, overness, information on relatives, and protege's. Anything less would not be DOTT:-) (See how I sneak that in there).

Bassically what I'm saying, is don't hold your breath for it, but I'm 80% sure it is in the future plans.

[DocStevens]

Finishing locations files, and fixing problems was first on the list (such as storyline problems, etc.). There has been in the past and I'm sure will be again, talk of adding them into it. Meanwhile, because of this new feature, it will allow one to do it themselves, alla using other data, however, the game won't be balanced this way, unless you modify it yourself as well (probably why you asked anyways).

I'm hoping that they will eventually have them all in... That list (on the new worker thread for DOTT) is pretty much what was being worked on in the first place, unless someone does a satisfactory job before hand, I'm sure they (as in the guys who gave you the mod) will get around to it.

The problem is they already had the names, and although importing several from other database's will surely speed it up, they will still have to change stats, overness, information on relatives, and protege's. Anything less would not be DOTT:-) (See how I sneak that in there).

Bassically what I'm saying, is don't hold your breath for it, but I'm 80% sure it is in the future plans.

I would only use a new worker file made by DOTT. Those people in the other thread will not produce anything to the level of DOTT and the ratings will not be correct unless you guys do the file yourselves.

[exoromeo]

Great mod. Love it. (Grew up watching Mid-Atlantic, GCW, AWA, WCCW)...

I noticed, unless I completely overlooked him, that the Mongolian Stomper seems to be missing from the Workers area. (real name = Archie Gouldie; held a few titles in the AWA, NWA, SECW).

Scott

[MiddleGA]

I noticed, unless I completely overlooked him, that the Mongolian Stomper seems to be missing from the Workers area. (real name = Archie Gouldie; held a few titles in the AWA, NWA, SECW).

He's a semi-active worker for Calgary Stampede.
Listed in the "other workers" as THE Mongolian Stomper

[exoromeo]

He's a semi-active worker for Calgary Stampede.
Listed in the "other workers" as THE Mongolian Stomper

Doh! So he is. Not sure how I missed him.

[Grimmas]

Los Fantásticos has two members as technicos and one as a rudo. Somebody needs to be turned.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Good deal, Grimm; thanks. Black Man's contract is now set as Heel - and his Performance Skills are adjusted to take that into consideration.

[Grimmas]

Good deal, Grimm; thanks. Black Man's contract is now set as Heel - and his Performance Skills are adjusted to take that into consideration.

If you turn Black Man heel then so must Kato Kung Lee!

Yeah, I'm real close to starting a CMLL game.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Right. Double thanks, then. :)

* I rearranged Kato's Performance, but forgot to double check the contract.

[D16NJD16]

Any idea when the updates coming out? Been waiting on that to start a game.

[Dolfanar]

Any idea when the updates coming out? Been waiting on that to start a game.

What exactly are you hoping will be in the update that is stopping you from starting a new game?

[Anubis]

Anyone else having trouble with MACW? My popularity in the Mid-Atlantic is C+, so you'd expect anything at B- or above to be a success, right? Wrong! I lose popularity there whenever I run a show rated under B (Mr. Ryland says it's supposed to be like that, where you need two grades higher to gain popularity), and I can't manage an average higher than C+. I have only gotten two shows total above B-, out of almost three dozen, and most of the time I get C or C+. The only time I get the better ratings is when I completely ignore my lower card and put only main eventers on the card, which of course isn't smart booking.

So is this normal, or am I doing something wrong?

[D16NJD16]

What exactly are you hoping will be in the update that is stopping you from starting a new game?


Changes/Corrections/Additions: Raised MACW to start as Cult, upping their Southeast Popularity to 55% ** AWA raised to Cult, upping their Southwest popularity to 55% ** Removed a lot of Personal checks in workers, leaving only those confirmed cases; ala Buzz Sawyer (Drugs), Superstar Graham (Steroids), etc ** Dolfanar's Mid Atlantic era-specific venues added ** Added several worker relationships centering on Black Angus Campbell ** Corrected/Tweaked various workers ** Completed all Gimmicks ** Added Scottish Championship Wrestling as New Promotion ** WCCW Stables corrected: Added Bill Irwin to Devastation Incorporated, Removed Jim Garvin & Sunshine from the Freebird Nation, and Added Magic Dragon to H&H Limited ** Added/tweaked/corrected starting momentum to the following promotions: AWA, SWCW ** Added Remianen's fantastic Injury File (with permission)

Angles Added: Video: Worker Hypes Self ** Video: Worker Accepts Challenge ** Video: Worker Taunts Injury ** Video: Worker Puts out Bounty

^^^

[sportsfan77]

this mod is cool

[TsuMirren]

"Added Scottish Championship Wrestling as New Promotion"

That alone, that ground breaking scene sparking promotion alone, is enough reason to hang fire on playing until the update is released.

[D16NJD16]

Just out of curiosity, "Remianen's fantastic injury file" isn't one of those with 800 unwrestling related injuries right?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Not at all. Remi's injury file has 100 entries - all of them logical (imo). I like the file a lot.

[D16NJD16]

Not at all. Remi's injury file has 100 entries - all of them logical (imo). I like the file a lot.

Good cause..just can't see Dick Murdoch going down for weeks with Carpal Tunnel Syndrome..

[bobinc]

I had Nick Bockwinkle go down with long term amnesia says hes out for 5 months ... I sure hope he remembers to come back. :p

I need his help to get up on the WWF they stole half of LOD from me. :o

[Dochappy]

Loving this as always D. Boon. Playing as CWA. I've got Austin Idol feuding with Lawler for the AWA Southern heavyweight title and so far the feud is going strong .
I've got Bobby Eaton challenging Koko B. Ware for the Mid America Heavyweight , which is slowly taking off.

Southern Tag team Champions(Stan Lane , Steve Kiern ) are in a feud with The NewYork Assassins(managed by Jimmy Hart) and Ricky Morton/Robert Gibson( managed by Jim Cornette) - Hart and the Assassins are wreaking havoc on Lane/Kiern and Gibson/Morton. I hope to eventually have the Assassins take the titles and then the feud will continue between the two teams and become a battle of the managers.

Just signed Mountain Man Mike and Kaufman is his manager and has been issuing a $5,000 bodyslam challenge . Hopefully I can use this to give King Cobra a push.

My shows usually get an overall of C+ or D + . I keep getting that the matches are too intense but Jarret won't budge and let me change it so I'm going to stick with it.


I think I've found an error in the $5,000 bodyslam challenge storyline :

In Plot Point 4 : hero Saves the day . it says it must be a rescue angle with Kaufman(Catalyst) , Man Mountain Mike(Catalyst) , King Cobra(Catalyst) and Bobby Fulton(Victim) . I've looked through the rescue angles but haven't found one that matches yet.

[D16NJD16]

Buddy Wayne should be added to this mod.

[Grimmas]

Starting my CMLL game and ended up taking the best of the UWA talent! The war is on bitches!

[Anubis]

I had Nick Bockwinkle go down with long term amnesia says hes out for 5 months ... I sure hope he remembers to come back. :p

LOL

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks for the kind words, Doc. I'm happy to hear you are enjoying it.
I think I've found an error in the $5,000 bodyslam challenge storyline :

In Plot Point 4 : hero Saves the day . it says it must be a rescue angle with Kaufman(Catalyst) , Man Mountain Mike(Catalyst) , King Cobra(Catalyst) and Bobby Fulton(Victim) . I've looked through the rescue angles but haven't found one that matches yet.

Hmmmm... I may have fixed that one along the way and forgotten, but mine is showing:
4th Plot/3rd Show: 'Hero Saves the Day', Villain = Attacker, Hero = Calvary, and Loser #2 = Victim.

One that was broken on my end - as a word of warning for those of you about the run it: The 7th plot point in the cursed 'Turning of the Superfly, Part One' storyline was screwed up. If you want to fix it yourself before the update, go in and edit the 'Snuka destroys Bob' point so that Snuka is the Attacker and Albano the Catalyst.

Buddy Wayne should be added to this mod. Which one? Ken Wayne's dad - or the one played by Steve Finley?

If it is the former, I agree. He should. ;)

[Carbon Tiger]

Hey D. Boon absolutely love this mod it's fantastic. The amount of work put in on this is remarkable. I'm entering year two as the AWA and I'm going for Vince's head on a pike. :)

History is turning out very different this go around. Manny Fernandez is the uber babyface mega over AWA World Champion, Jerry The King came into the fed a few years early (as did Stan Hansen) Bobby Eaton could join Curt Henning and Rick Martel as part of the new generation, also Fit Finlay and Steve Wright crossed the pond to come over to the AWA. Also our new head announcer is the one and only Gordon Solie. Add in the PPV contract and the new show on ESPN and Vince could be in trouble.

Well to report on one bug I hired Jushin Liger and he only had basic English as a language skill I do think he should be fluent in Japanese :)

Let me say again this is so much fun and well where else could you book King Curtis managing Buddy Rose. “The Playboy did come for guidence as I was having my morning bath in the River Ganges.”

Boy think about THAT pairing too long and you might hurt yourself.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... Let me say again this is so much fun and well where else could you book King Curtis managing Buddy Rose. “The Playboy did come for guidence as I was having my morning bath in the River Ganges.”

:D - That's super! Good ol' King Curtis.

Well to report on one bug I hired Jushin Liger and he only had basic English as a language skill I do think he should be fluent in Japanese :)

This might be another of those 'Boon is losing it' moments; i.e., I fixed it for the update and have plum forgotten doing so - but on my end, Liger is Basic English / Fluent Japanese in the New Workers file.

Thanks, though. It serves as a warning for anyone starting a game before the update.

[Johnny Fenoli]

D Boon, when you going to release an updated version? I'm wanting to start a new game. (accidently deleted old one.)

Anyway of getting something very soon?

Thanks!!

[Brian]

Just a fast question; I've been upthread and havent seen it so...

Does anyone know if the next update will have specific arenas in certain territories? (MidSouth/MidWest/MidAtlantic...)

Lavish praise on the mod. Here's a pithy quote for your publicist:

"Without 'Death of the Territories", Grey Dog wouldn't have gotten my thirty-five bucks."

[SageFury268]

D Boon, when you going to release an updated version? I'm wanting to start a new game. (accidently deleted old one.)

Anyway of getting something very soon?

Thanks!!


Yeah man, same exact thing here.

[SageFury268]

Also Brickhouse Brown should have drug usage ticked off, just heard a radio sho where an old wrestlers from the era was talking about his obsession with heavy usage of crack cocaine.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I'm hoping another day or so on the update.

Dolfanar can correct me on the locations, as he is doing them - but Mid Atlantic arenas are done and Mid South locations are being wrapped up. We've also remodeled the starting languages. Well, Dolfanar is actually doing them. I finally had the luxury of being lazy and simply pointing things out for a change. :D

And thanks for the kudos, Brian. It is appreciated.

[theaddicane]

Cheers Boon, this is some great stuff. DOTT once again making the leap to a new game and remaining one of the best mods around.

[Grimmas]

Well, I guess I should lay off my game for the update... Oh well, I was only a few shows in.

Either way, I will take CMLL to the top!

[Dolfanar]

I'm hoping another day or so on the update.

Dolfanar can correct me on the locations, as he is doing them - but Mid Atlantic arenas are done and Mid South locations are being wrapped up. We've also remodeled the starting languages. Well, Dolfanar is actually doing them. I finally had the luxury of being lazy and simply pointing things out for a change.


Yeah, Ive been holding things up a bit. Mid-South took longer than expected (well Texas specifically which was a chore to research), and I've been playing Nurse for the wife these last couple days (She had a fever of 38.8, but luckily it's been back to normal for the last couple hours) so that slowed work down on the languages.

I'll try to do my best to get things done ASAP. Hang in there a little longer boys.

[kungfuchef]

I love this mod but it is missing one thing. ROCKY KING. Jobber supreme
" Wick Fuair I got a surprise for you...Four Hursmans I got a surprise for you."

:D

[wakuwakufujiland]

Sounds good Dolfanar, that will make my ongoing game with Mid-South even more amazing!

[SpaceMountain]

Can't wait for the update. I haven't even gotten to play version 1.0 yet... does anyone know a working link to it and the pictures/screens?

[Brian]

does anyone know a working link to it and the
pictures/screens?

You can get those both off of the first post of thread.

[D16NJD16]

Update oh update, where art thou update?

[rodzillahotrod]

i havent read every page to see if any noticed this but i found a simple error to fix u have new wrestlers like yokozuna (which should be under Kokina maximus or maybe rodney anoi) set to debut in february of 83 but the game is set to start in april of 83 so they dont debut at all...


edit: also i looked him up and he debutes in 84 not 83

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks, rodzilla. That was meant to be Feb of '84 on Anoa'i.

And on the New Workers, I intentionally went with their kayfabe names more often than not. I happen to prefer it that way, as AI hirings end up looking better. But you can always change that. :)

[rodzillahotrod]

i can see going with the kabe name but he wasnt known as yokozuna in the 80s so should the great kokina or kokina maximum be used? or u just trying to make it easier for everyone else? also do u know a way to fix it if ur already playing the senario? or am i going to have to start over?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

i can see going with the kabe name but he wasnt known as yokozuna in the 80s so should the great kokina or kokina maximum be used? or u just trying to make it easier for everyone else? also do u know a way to fix it if ur already playing the senario? or am i going to have to start over?

I'm fairly certain there is no way to fix that for your Saved Game (apologies!).

On the name... The Great Kokina or Kokina Maximus could be used, but I feel that people might have an easier time recognizing the Yoko name. I could very well be wrong on that, though.

The first time I heard of him was when he put Greg Gagne out of wrestling as Maximus, so it doesn't matter either way to me.

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And no news on the update quite yet. Dolfanar should be done with the next batch of locations any day now. :)

[soundsofsilver]

I notice Ken Patera has a C in Microphone.

After watching this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=hELEcT2aZKU), I can't help but disagree. :)

[Slim Jim]

You could [manually] copy Yokozuna from the New Workers into the regular Workers part of the main editor and then import him into your save game in February '84 [or before if you want]. That's what I did.

[Capelli King]

I just have to say that their has been allot of work put into DOTT, it is the only Mod appart from Cornellverse or T-Zone that i really get into.

Great job!

[MulkeyMania]

hello everyone.

i must be blind but i am trying a arm wrestling angle and i cant get to the 2nd setup that requires a RESPONSE angle. i cant seem to find that angle. i need to have the one wrestler respond to another about the arm wrestling challenge.

anyone help me, thanks in advance.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

hello everyone.

i must be blind but i am trying a arm wrestling angle and i cant get to the 2nd setup that requires a RESPONSE angle. i cant seem to find that angle. i need to have the one wrestler respond to another about the arm wrestling challenge.

anyone help me, thanks in advance.

It could be one of many, actually - but your best bet is one of the 'Promo: Accepted Challenge, Contest' angles.

[Alex Gariepy]

I don't have any specific bits here, but I do want to express thanks to the makers of this mod over the years. I was thoroughly impressed with mod since I played with it in TEW 2005. So, keep that up.

In the 'look at my story!' department, I tried a few months with the WWF in an attempt to recreate Hulkamania (well, rewrite it anyways). I had all the cards set... I had a change in storyline from Backlund/Samoans to Backland/Steamboat (with Backland going kooky mid-90s on everyone) and had Hogan slowly demolish everyone for the big push, and then in a silly tag match, I end up with Hogan gone for five months with long term amnesia! Just my luck... um, brother!

Oh well, Steamboat/Backlund is giving me cool match-ups. Anyways, just the fun of trying to re-do/rewrite history. Thanks, guys!

[markieje]

I'm running the Final Conflict storyline, and I'm stalled - can't find a Decision angle with 4 subjects to set up S&Y vs. Briscos #1 contender match.

[justtxyank]

I don't know how important this is, but in the "I broke wahoo's leg" storyline there is an attack angle that requires a catalyst and a victim as opposed to attacker and victim. It was pretty rough trying to find one last night. Kept me up until 3 in the morning re-running a show.

Because of that I was late to work. I expect you to send a note to my employer. :D

[djthefunkchris]

To whom it may concern,

Please excuse justtxyank for being a little late today. He has been under extreme pressure with his other job (booking for an important territorial wrestling promotion), and just had to finish some things up before getting to bed last night. The result of this was he endedup with only a couple of hours of sleep, and slightly overslept getting to his secondary (less important) job.

Again, please excuse justtxyank, he is vitally important on his Main Job, and we don't want him being distracted with problems from his secondary (LESS IMPORTANT) job.

[edenborn]

I'm absolutely loving this mod. Thanks for putting this together.

You may have already fixed this, but if not I wanted to call it to your attention: Linda McMahon can't speak a word of English. (Now I grant you, in real life she's terrible on the mike, so there is an element of realism...) She's set to be fluent in Japanese, so I'm guessing the wrong box was checked.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I'm running the Final Conflict storyline, and I'm stalled - can't find a Decision angle with 4 subjects to set up S&Y vs. Briscos #1 contender match.
Fixed. It's supposed to be a Reveal angle: 'Authority Books Tag Match'

I don't know how important this is, but in the "I broke wahoo's leg" storyline there is an attack angle that requires a catalyst and a victim as opposed to attacker and victim. It was pretty rough trying to find one last night. Kept me up until 3 in the morning re-running a show.
Fixed. Grrrr. :) Apologies on that, guys.

Here's a suggestion on the event this happens in other storylines, though I have added it myself for the next update: You can always go into the main editor, clone the proper angle and rearrange the roles to fit the messed up storyline. In the above situation, you could have cloned the intended 'Post Match: Submission not Released' angle and changed the Attacker role to Catalyst, saved it as a version2 (or whatever), then imported it into your save game.

You may have already fixed this, but if not I wanted to call it to your attention: Linda McMahon can't speak a word of English. (Now I grant you, in real life she's terrible on the mike, so there is an element of realism...) She's set to be fluent in Japanese, so I'm guessing the wrong box was checked.
Rats. Fixed.

[justtxyank]

Kudos on such an amazing mod with such amazing detail and even more so for continuing to work on it.

[markieje]

Please don't interpret this as me being pushy - just not clear on what you mean by fixed - are you doing regular tweaks to the data as errors come in or saving it all for the next release?

[D16NJD16]

Is Hogan's steriod usage going to be accounted for in this update?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Is Hogan's steriod usage going to be accounted for in this update?

Gameplay-wise, I've found it best to leave that unchecked (as well as for a bunch of other wrestlers). I can argue that 99% of the wrestling promoters/owners didn't give a crap about steroids back then - if they even knew what they were; thereby making that particular owner block tough to swallow for playing a database set for the era. But the real issue is that the steroid check is counter-productive to long-term play, which I believe D.O.T.T. inspires.

Each check increases death by varying degrees. As the 80s was one of excess, so many younger American wrestlers are drunken dope fiends in the data... except Ted and Victor - heh. Adding a steroid check to the mix hinders the data in several ways. It results in Jimmy Snuka dying within a year in 75% of the games played by people (when combined with drugs and/or drink checks), and those like Hogan not making it into the 90s because they fall apart.

To appease the realism buffs, I've assigned only those wrestlers that are documented as crashing in the 80s; Superstar Graham, Dynamite Kid, Pistol Pez Whatley, etc.

[D16NJD16]

Gameplay-wise, I've found it best to leave that unchecked (as well as for a bunch of other wrestlers). I can argue that 99% of the wrestling promoters/owners didn't give a crap about steroids back then - if they even knew what they were; thereby making that particular owner block tough to swallow for playing a database set for the era. But the real issue is that the steroid check is counter-productive to long-term play, which I believe D.O.T.T. inspires.

Each check increases death by varying degrees. As the 80s was one of excess, so many younger American wrestlers are drunken dope fiends in the data... except Ted and Victor - heh. Adding a steroid check to the mix hinders the data in several ways. It results in Jimmy Snuka dying within a year in 75% of the games played by people (when combined with drugs and/or drink checks), and those like Hogan not making it into the 90s because they fall apart.

To appease the realism buffs, I've assigned only those wrestlers that are documented as crashing in the 80s; Superstar Graham, Dynamite Kid, Pistol Pez Whatley, etc.

Alright, I see. The effects of steriod use and drink or drug problems should be decreased a bit in TEW in my opinion. I'm all for them causing various problems with the wrestler, them showing up late, rehab, etc. but the death part should be made a bit more of a rare occurance, and take longer to happen.

[djthefunkchris]

Alright, I see. The effects of steriod use and drink or drug problems should be decreased a bit in TEW in my opinion. I'm all for them causing various problems with the wrestler, them showing up late, rehab, etc. but the death part should be made a bit more of a rare occurance, and take longer to happen.

Maybe some kind of way to rate it... Like very hard user, Light user, etc... and have the effects less severe, in lesser severity cases... For example, Although everyone knows/thinks Vince does Steriods, he seems to be able to stay pretty stable. He can be really calm in interviews, and "things of this nature". So maybe something like Severe User, Moderate User, Light User, would make a bit more sense..

Adam did state that they were not intended to be used for every documented case. From what I gather, he meant in the same way DBG used them.... In case's where it's obvious, and effects their lives, check it. In case's where it's debatable, or the user obviously has it under check (as much as one could have it under check), then you probably shouldn't check the box.

[D16NJD16]

Adam did state that they were not intended to be used for every documented case. From what I gather, he meant in the same way DBG used them.... In case's where it's obvious, and effects their lives, check it. In case's where it's debatable, or the user obviously has it under check (as much as one could have it under check), then you probably shouldn't check the box.

Well I mean, Steriod Usage ABSOULUTELY effected Hulk Hogan's life, from a success standpoint, from a scrutiny standpoint, and I'm sure time will tell, from a health standpoint. He didn't however, drop dead in 1986.

[markieje]

It would be ridiculous to cover every case. Ricky freakin Steamboat was on the juice and experimenting with coke..

[D16NJD16]

It would be ridiculous to cover every case. Ricky freakin Steamboat was on the juice and experimenting with coke..

Who told you this..

[markieje]

Who told you this..

Steamboat discusses this in his shoot interview.

[wakuwakufujiland]

Gameplay-wise, I've found it best to leave that unchecked (as well as for a bunch of other wrestlers). I can argue that 99% of the wrestling promoters/owners didn't give a crap about steroids back then - if they even knew what they were; thereby making that particular owner block tough to swallow for playing a database set for the era. But the real issue is that the steroid check is counter-productive to long-term play, which I believe D.O.T.T. inspires.

Each check increases death by varying degrees. As the 80s was one of excess, so many younger American wrestlers are drunken dope fiends in the data... except Ted and Victor - heh. Adding a steroid check to the mix hinders the data in several ways. It results in Jimmy Snuka dying within a year in 75% of the games played by people (when combined with drugs and/or drink checks), and those like Hogan not making it into the 90s because they fall apart.

To appease the realism buffs, I've assigned only those wrestlers that are documented as crashing in the 80s; Superstar Graham, Dynamite Kid, Pistol Pez Whatley, etc.


In two games that I ran, Dick Slater died within the first month!

[DocStevens]

Well I mean, Steriod Usage ABSOULUTELY effected Hulk Hogan's life, from a success standpoint, from a scrutiny standpoint, and I'm sure time will tell, from a health standpoint. He didn't however, drop dead in 1986.

Then calm down and check the Steriod box if you don't like how DBG set it up.

[MiddleGA]

I'm absolutely loving this mod. Thanks for putting this together.

You may have already fixed this, but if not I wanted to call it to your attention: Linda McMahon can't speak a word of English. (Now I grant you, in real life she's terrible on the mike, so there is an element of realism...) She's set to be fluent in Japanese, so I'm guessing the wrong box was checked.

I've seen several of these while doing some things with AJW. Maybe these are correct/intentional, but they struck me as odd

Sunoe Matsunaga - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Jackie Sato - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Nancy Kumi - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Maki Ueda - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Kunimatsu Matsunaga - Fluent in English, Japanese none
Soichi Shibata - Fluent in English, Japanese none

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I've seen several of these while doing some things with AJW. Maybe these are correct/intentional, but they struck me as odd

Sunoe Matsunaga - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Jackie Sato - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Nancy Kumi - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Maki Ueda - Fluent in English but only Basic in Japanese
Kunimatsu Matsunaga - Fluent in English, Japanese none
Soichi Shibata - Fluent in English, Japanese none

Fuuuuuuuddddgggggge. (Only I didn't say 'Fudge')

Much appreciated. And Fixed.

[justtxyank]

This isn't a critique of the mod but more of a question. Why does Hogan get so low on stamina? I know he wasn't the greatest scientific wrestler or anything, but in the AWA matches with Bock that I've watched, he was able to go.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

This isn't a critique of the mod but more of a question. Why does Hogan get so low on stamina? I know he wasn't the greatest scientific wrestler or anything, but in the AWA matches with Bock that I've watched, he was able to go.

Sure, Hogan could go. But it was for 10-15 minutes. :)
I'll bump him up to 60-65, but I hesitate to go any higher than that.

I've watched those same Bock matches and it certainly appears to me that Hogan is gassed early on, which resulted in an overall sluggish bout. Heck, during the final one (I think it was), Hogan could barely get Bock up for the ref bump.
I love Bockwinkel and have a lot of respect for Hogan, but there is a reason those matches are not as highly regarded as they probably should have been. I attribute much of it to Hogan's lack of stamina.

Another five years down the line and he could work decent 30 minute matches, but at this time? Only if he was in a tag team situation and even then, 'decent' is subjective. The biggest one of note in America at the time was the Andre & Hogan vs. the Heenan Family bout. Despite the fact you've got Bockwinkel and Heenan in the ring, the match was terrible (imo).

[MiddleGA]

Much appreciated. And Fixed.

Glad to be of even the tiniest assistance.

(Just in case anyone wonders how the heck I even noticed something so obscure ... Since my main announcers only speak Japanese, I was looking to see who could work the announce table for AJW's debut in the US, and noticed one of the discrepancies & that led me to start checking the rest)

[rodzillahotrod]

hey can someone please help me i amd make a stable and tag team of the midnight express which includes pat rose, randy rose, bobby eaton, dennis condrey, stane lane and steve kiern. i originally wanted them good guys with a teen idol and music band type of gimmick and well they all dont perform well be good guys and dont all fit in with the teen idol gimmick so i was wondering if someone can help me out with this i really dont know nothing about them but whats written in the game stateing the original was a rip off of the freebirds which i could go with this if needed to but i prefer somethings else that i could use cuz i already have the freebirds in a stable with that gimmick so does anyone know what i could put these guys's gimmicks as? thanks in advance also i just debuted steve kiern as a good guy with a teen idol gimmick would it hurt to switch him already? also last thing how long does someone stay out with a movie deal cuz hogans been gone for like 2 or 3 months with this ****...thanks again

[D. Boon's Ghost]

The 3 Man Team (ala the Freebirds) was basically nothing more than a way for a stable to defend tag team titles. It added an element of drama, I guess: 'Who will be defending those titles tonight?'

That was the concept that the original Midnight Express, Inc (Dennis Condrey, Randy Rose, and Norvell Austin) copied; there was no other gimmick with that particular group.
But considering you cannot book them as such in TEW, it's a bit moot.

With that being said... it is going to be really hard to dub your Midnight Express group with a uniform gimmick. Pat Rose, for example, is your typical Opener back then; he doesn't have the skills for a great majority of the gimmicks.
The closest you'll get to blanketing the entire group is probably using the Old School gimmicks; face or heel, whichever you lean towards.

[Harmor]

I got a question .. has anybody managed to get a child promotion yet? I went to national with WWF but so far, all my attempts at getting a child promotion have failed (I did buy out WWA tho..). I checked the editor and some of the federations I wanted to become parent company of are in quite some depth but still no luck.

[rodzillahotrod]

thanks i guess im going with the group have a mix of gimmicks....

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Here's the latest data, kayfabe lovers! Overwrite whatever it asks.

Much thanks to Dolfanar for taking the time to whip together the excellent locations file (minus the Midwest locations, which I did). The 'World Famous Sportatorium in Dallas, Texas' shall live again...
And Ladz for the homoerotic Fabulous Ones profile cuts (Stan Lane and Steve Keirn alternates). :)

As always, I hope you enjoy!

Update: v1.25

v1.25 Update (http://cyclopsltd.net/files/DOTT_v125.rar)

Latest Profile Cuts (http://cyclopsltd.net/files/People_2_19.rar)

Changes/Corrections/Additions: Raised MACW to start as Cult, upping their Southeast Popularity to 55% ** AWA raised to Cult, upping their Southwest popularity to 55% ** Removed a lot of Personal checks in workers, leaving only those confirmed cases; ala Buzz Sawyer (Drugs), Superstar Graham (Steroids), etc ** Dolfanar's era-specific venues added ** Added several worker relationships centering on Black Angus Campbell and Pepe Casas ** Corrected/Tweaked various workers ** Completed all Gimmicks ** Added Scottish Championship Wrestling as New Promotion ** WCCW Stables corrected: Added Bill Irwin to Devastation Incorporated, Removed Jim Garvin & Sunshine from the Freebird Nation, and Added Magic Dragon to H&H Limited ** Added/tweaked/corrected starting momentum to the following promotions: AWA, SWCW ** Added Remianen's fantastic Injury File (with permission) ** Fixed two plot points in the 'Turning of the Superfly, Part One' storyline ** Finished 'Sawyer vs. Rich, Part Three' storyline (Last Battle of Atlanta now scripted) ** Fixed the Tag Team Tournament Storyline to allow for talent trades w. three appearance deals; video angles added, several plot points removed ** Corrected the commentary on the 'Talk Show: Manager hypes...' series of angles ** Added hype angles to the 'One Night Singles Tournament' default storyline ** GCW starting product tweaked ** Several storylines fixed ** Various Worker Tweaks ** Fixed Challenge angles so that the worker challenged is rated on something ** Raised GCW to start as Cult, upping their Great Lakes Popularity to 55% (so we are back to the original DOTT set ups, heh - so much for the failed experiment to try something different) ** 1 vs 1 Lumberjack match type added ** Added 30-something Midwest venues

Workers Added: Pepe Casas, El Gran Davis

Gimmicks Added: Hometown Hero Jr. ** Former Olympian, Wrestling ** Former Olympian, Power Lifting

Angles Added: Video: Singles Self-Hype ** Video: Accepted Challenge (1vs1), (2vs2), and (3vs3) ** Video: Worker Taunts Injury ** Video: Worker Puts out Bounty ** Interview: Challenge (1vs1), (2vs2), (3vs3) ** Interview: Accepted Challenge (1vs1), (2vs2), (3vs3) ** Video: Tag Team Self-Hype ** Video: Tag Team Match Hype (2vs2) ** Pre Match: Ringside Scouting ver2 (for managers) ** Manager Ordered Beatdown (1vs1) ver2 ** Announcer Denounces Attack v5 and v6 ** Video: Challenge (1vs1), (2vs2), and (3vs3) ** Video: Trios Match Hype (3vs3) ** Video: Trios Self-Hype ** Announcer Attempts Interview (Singles) ** Announcer Attempts Interview (Tag) ** Post Match: Victory Towel ver1 and ver2 ** Post Match: Victory Towel Thwarted ** Challenge: (1vs1) Lumberjack ** Promo: Accepted Challenge: Lumberjack ** Argument: Worker Slaps Valet ver1 and ver2 ** Interview: Worker Roughs up Announcer ** Rescue: Save From 1 On 1 Attack ver3 (the last two angles are meant to recreate Don Muraco and Roddy Piper brawling after Muraco roughs up Gordon Solie on TBS)

Storylines Added: DOTT - Mask vs. Mask - ver2 ([Stripped down version of ver1]) ** DOTT - Stable Construction (In homage to Paul Ellering's War against Ole Anderson, GCW '83 - A manager arrives in an area and sets about forming a dominating stable whose sole purpose is to eliminate a thorn in the manager's side) ** DOTT - Persian Club Challenge ver2 ([Stripped down version of the original; three participants])

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Power to the Imagination... and the lack of Production Teams! ;)

[panix04]

Power to the Imagination... and the lack of Production Teams!

production teams are good, they reduce the size of the vein in the side of your head!

[bobinc]

I got a question .. has anybody managed to get a child promotion yet? I went to national with WWF but so far, all my attempts at getting a child promotion have failed (I did buy out WWA tho..). I checked the editor and some of the federations I wanted to become parent company of are in quite some depth but still no luck.

Could be the promotions owners not being keen on promotion pacts.

[Mattyc]

I just started a new game as WCCW and in the first few days the WWF has made an offer to Michael Hayes of the Freebirds, Ouch :mad:

Thanks for the update :)

[wakuwakufujiland]

Can't wait to play the new update!! Great Work!!

It will be great to finally get some real world Mid-South locations in the game!

[Acenate Prophet]

Sounds great! I just downloaded and started booking my first event.

The Crockett Cup is scheduled for the very first day of the scenario and I already set up an 8 man one night tournament for the title. However, the Crockett Cup title doesn't seem to be selectable when I go to choose it to be on the line for the final match.

Any ideas? I'm trying to give Ricky Steamboat the rub by having him lose a close match in the finals to Rowdy Roddy.

Edit: Wait is the Crockett Cup a bloody tag team title?

Crap.

Never mind!

I'm hereby instituting a new Tournament Title just because I don't want to book this show again.

Edit again: And Roddy Piper over Ricky Steamboat earns an A* in my first ever event. B- for the show. :)

[rodzillahotrod]

i was just wondering what other somoan wrestlers r in the game i know afa, sika, jimmy snuka, the tonga kid and peter mavia i went to obessedwith wrestling and seen a few i just couldnt find them in there game could someone please help also if u dont mind i know haku and the barbian is tonga right? is there anymore wrestlers from the same ethnics as them? thanks in advance

[The Gaz]

Yokozuna is Samoan.

[rodzillahotrod]

yea but hes not in my game yet :0(

[Anubis]

Raising MACW to Cult actually makes playing them harder, since you can't just get to Cult now in order to have more Prestige than WWF.

:p

[SpaceMountain]

Just wanted to say that I LOVE this mod, and think that it even beats the 2005 version. I didn't think that was possible considering how much fun I had with it. But yeah, I've just started a MACW game, changed the promotion's name to the NWA to appeal to a more nation wide audience, and I'm coming straight for Vinnie Mac! Titan Towers is gonna crumble! Muhahahahaha.... hahaha.... ha!

[justtxyank]

i was just wondering what other somoan wrestlers r in the game i know afa, sika, jimmy snuka, the tonga kid and peter mavia i went to obessedwith wrestling and seen a few i just couldnt find them in there game could someone please help also if u dont mind i know haku and the barbian is tonga right? is there anymore wrestlers from the same ethnics as them? thanks in advance
doh

[edenborn]

Enjoying the update, Boon. Thanks again. Quick question for you: I've noticed some of the "Very Small" Japanese locations have audiences which speak every language except Japanese. Is that a typographical mistake, or a deliberate simulation of, I don't know, some sort of U.S. Army Base?

[Sartagis]

i know haku and the barbian is tonga right?
No The Barbarian is Sione Vailahi who also wrestled as Konga the Barbarian, King Konga, Headshrinker Sionne, Tonga John, Super Assassin 1, Yokinoshima. He was one half of the Powers of Pain with The Warlord (Terry Szopinski) circa 1987, then he replaced Samu in the Headshrinkers in WWF circa 1994.

The Tonga Kid is Sam Fatu.

Sam Fatu is a professional wrestler best known under the name of The Tonga Kid. He was also known as Tama, as which he teamed with partner Haku as The Islanders, and as Samoan Savage, as which he teamed with his brother Solofa Fatu (Rikishi) as the The Samoan Swat Team (he was later replaced by Samula Anoai (Samu, this version of SST went on to be called The Headshrinkers in the WWF).

Sam Fatu would go on to work with Solofa Fatu (now known as Kishi) in his promotion Nu-Wrestling Evolution.

Another brother is Umaga (Eddie Fatu).

*credit to Wikipedia for the Sam Fatu bio.

[The Gaz]

No The Barbarian is Sione Vailahi who also wrestled as Konga the Barbarian, King Konga, Headshrinker Sionne, Tonga John, Super Assassin 1, Yokinoshima. He was one half of the Powers of Pain with The Warlord (Terry Szopinski) circa 1987, then he replaced Samu in the Headshrinkers in WWF circa 1994.

The Tonga Kid is Sam Fatu.



*credit to Wikipedia for the Sam Fatu bio.

Sartagis I think he was asking if they were both native tongans.

[Mattyc]

I just got my first A* match with this years version, David Von Erich vs Buddy Jack Roberts at the WCCW Independence Day Star Wars in July :) The Von Erich/Freebird feud is going very well in my game, Michael Hayes is with the WWF but I am not at war with them so he is still free to work with us. Terry Gordy is on his way out though after refusing a contract extension as he feels he is now too big for WCCW, I have made Jim Garvin a Freebird so there is somebody to take Gordy's spot when he leaves.

It is a good job the Von Erich/Freebird feud is going so well and getting me great show ratings as everything else in the company is pretty stale right now. My attempted push of Chris Adams is going nowhere :mad:

I am loving the new talent trade feature and it works really well with DOTT, WCCW has some good relationships with other companies and it really is fun to bring new guys in for a few matches, Mike Rotundo gave me three excellent matches when I got him on a 3 match loan, I plan on using him again for sure.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... is there anymore wrestlers from the same ethnics as them? thanks in advance

King Curtis, Farmer Boy Ipo, Samu, Fatu (though he is a future), Siva Afi, The Great Tio, Reno Tuufuli - plus those mentioned already.

Quick question for you: I've noticed some of the "Very Small" Japanese locations have audiences which speak every language except Japanese. Is that a typographical mistake, or a deliberate simulation of, I don't know, some sort of U.S. Army Base?

I'll go with the Army Base. :)

Complete mistake on my part. Bah.

[djthefunkchris]

King Curtis, Farmer Boy Ipo, Samu, Fatu (though he is a future), Siva Afi, The Great Tio, Reno Tuufuli - plus those mentioned already.


I'll go with the Army Base. :)

Complete mistake on my part. Bah.

Ha, Good laugh before I take off to work!!

[edenborn]

Heh! Well, it's such a great mod, little glitches like that don't detract from the fun. I've found one other tiny bug: the AJW tag titles are set for two male competitors instead of two female competitors.

[rodzillahotrod]

King Curtis, Farmer Boy Ipo, Samu, Fatu (though he is a future), Siva Afi, The Great Tio, Reno Tuufuli - plus those mentioned already.

thanks

[Sartagis]

Sartagis I think he was asking if they were both native tongans.
D'oh....well at least he got some perfectly useless info out of it. :p

[DocStevens]

If I leave New Worker Generation OFF will the new workers in the game file still appear when their debut date arrives?

I don't want the game making new generic workers but I do want the workers in this file to appear.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Yeah - from my understanding, Doc, the New Worker file will still spit out those guys when they should.

[Brandon9967]

I have advanced to 1990 and it seems none of the talent gets any better stat wise over time. Anyone I go to check the progress the stats have stayed the same. Do stats only change if a user is booking them?

[Anubis]

I have advanced to 1990 and it seems none of the talent gets any better stat wise over time. Anyone I go to check the progress the stats have stayed the same. Do stats only change if a user is booking them?

Tracking progress isn't very useful because you can only look at monthly progress, so take it with a grain of salt as stats don't raise that quickly. I hope yearly progress is implemented some day.

[Brandon9967]

Ok, but when it shows like a 12 month span and you view it every 6 months, you tend to be up to date. Nothing really changes. Maybe a few stats, but I don't see a whole lot of change besides age, injury, and popularity.

[Consrvtve]

and after 6-7 game time there ought to be people like (in my game experience) backlund, superstar, etc who by the end of the 80s are broken down or older who's stats ought to be going down and guys like Hogan or Hennig etc who should be on the rise.

If Curt Hennig has the same stats in 1990 that he does in 1983, what's the use?

[soundsofsilver]

Found a problem with the data.

Sunshine does not appear to have any performance skills with any types of gimmicks. She's F- across the board.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Sunshine does not appear to have any performance skills with any types of gimmicks. She's F- across the board.

Rats. Fixed.

Thanks for pointing that one out.

I have advanced to 1990 and it seems none of the talent gets any better stat wise over time. Anyone I go to check the progress the stats have stayed the same. Do stats only change if a user is booking them?
That's an interesting one, Brandon. I just checked, though; in a two month old game, I am seeing expected skill progression for AI-run workers.

As example, Greg Gagne has gone up 7.9% percent from his initial brawling stat, +4.2% Aerial, +2.9% Mat working, etc.
As a matter of fact, he has risen a grade in ten of his stats. In two months. :)

So I really don't know what else to say, beyond the fact that AI workers do progress in skills, popularity - just about everything in-game.

[soundsofsilver]

Found another error, I think.

For the angle, Interview: Singles Hype and Posing v1, the worker is the support while the interviewer is the catalyst.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Found another error, I think.

For the angle, Interview: Singles Hype and Posing v1, the worker is the support while the interviewer is the catalyst.
That one is actually meant to be as it is. It's basically a recreation of the Tony Atlas / Hulk Hogan showdown in the WWF, circa 1981. The angle starts with McMahon leading Atlas through the posing, which is why I made Mr. USA the support in that case.

It was a judgment call. :)

[Adam Ryland]

Ok, but when it shows like a 12 month span and you view it every 6 months, you tend to be up to date. Nothing really changes. Maybe a few stats, but I don't see a whole lot of change besides age, injury, and popularity.

They do change, but they do so at a realistic pace. You seem to be expecting them to jump a few grades every 12 months - if that was the case then within a couple of years everybody would be sitting there with skills in the B grade range and you be complaining that it's unrealistic.

You can prove it yourself if you want; just go pick a young guy who is currently employed, use the editor to find out his actual skills, then go back in 12 months and check again.

[Anubis]

I should also mention that the worker being watched may be capped in his skills.

[DocStevens]

I think development is vastly improved in this verison of TEW and think Adam did an excellent job with it. It is extremely difficult to balance realism with "fun" when it comes to worker development.

[soundsofsilver]

That one is actually meant to be as it is. It's basically a recreation of the Tony Atlas / Hulk Hogan showdown in the WWF, circa 1981. The angle starts with McMahon leading Atlas through the posing, which is why I made Mr. USA the support in that case.

It was a judgment call. :)

Ahhh that makes sense... McMahon would have been the catalyst, with Atlas in the support? And then we choose another angle where Hogan comes in and attacks him after posing and calling him "boy" repeatedly?

[NickSac]

Not sure if this has been mentioned, as I try to follow this thread but ya know...

Mutoh and Chono just entered the wrestling world in my game and neither speaks any language so I keep getting the warning that they are isolated backstage.

Will they eventually develop language skills if none were set? Or will they eventually just adapt to not speaking? And I guess I should just test this, but I'll ask, will they be able to do promos?

[darthsiddus2]

not unless you give them a language. in time they will develop the language of the country in which they're working in.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

... Mutoh and Chono just entered the wrestling world in my game and neither speaks any language so I keep getting the warning that they are isolated backstage.

Will they eventually develop language skills if none were set?

Are you using the v1.25 update? If not, I suggest doing so. Both are set to Basic English / Fluent Japanese.


Ahhh that makes sense... McMahon would have been the catalyst, with Atlas in the support? And then we choose another angle where Hogan comes in and attacks him after posing and calling him "boy" repeatedly?
'Interview: Singles Hype and Posing v2' is the bit where Hogan comes in and gets into an argument with Atlas, which results in the two set to start an improv match. In that particular angle, Atlas shifts to Catalyst and McMahon (the interviewer) Support.

To make it a tad more generic so that anyone could be used in the roles; i.e., chicks, if wanted, I removed the detail of Hogan's spiel in the angle commentary. As funny as it was. :)

[Anubis]

Found an error. In "Warrior Rants Ver2", the one where he cuts a zinger rant on another worker, there is only one role. When you select that role, it turns out to be the target of the rant, so there's no way to set who is giving the rant. The current role should be subject and the one cutting the promo should be catalyst.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Found an error. In "Warrior Rants Ver2", the one where he cuts a zinger rant on another worker, there is only one role. When you select that role, it turns out to be the target of the rant, so there's no way to set who is giving the rant. The current role should be subject and the one cutting the promo should be catalyst.
Fixed. Thanks for that, Anubis.

The most disturbing thing about the commentary of those angles is that it is all word-for-word. That guy was/is a nut.

* Looks at hand * :)

[MulkeyMania]

well, a rookie question for you. sorry, im a newbie.

i am playing as MACW. on every show it tells me that i need more angles and i should change my match intensity becuase they are not phyiscal enough?

anyone tell me a ratio or something for angles.

alos. how many storylines should i have going at one time? is there a number i should be at?

thanks for any responds.

[Genadi]

If you go into "Product" at your "Promotion" screen you can look at and sometimes tweak your feds product. Where it says "Match Ratio" it will give you a percentage, I think MACW is at 70%, meaning the remaing 30% of your show should consist of angles.

I think only 3 or 4 storylines are enough to keep your audience happy. Hope that helped.

[Anubis]

1. Take 100% and subtract your match ratio (MACW starts with 70%), then divide by 10. I think that is how many storylines are needed, unless you have 80% or above, in which case you don't need any. Example using MACW: 100 minus 70 equals 30; divided by 10 gives you 3. Oh, and you need only have that many storylines active, you don't have to advance them. :cool:

2. How many people would shoot me for admitted to using Warrior Rants frequently for Ric Flair while playing as MACW? I had him cut one on Dusty Rhodes, and on my next card, I'm having him cut one on Harley Race. :D

[Anubis]

I also have two questions.

1. As MACW, how am I supposed to hire people like, oh, Tully Blanchard and Ole Anderson, in order to put on the Four Horsemen storylines? They have loyalty to their respective promotions, making it impossible to hire them away. Neither promotion is doing poorly.

2. Just curious, but why does Lars Anderson hate Jim Crockett Jr? Not saying that's incorrect, because I honestly have no way of knowing since Lars Anderson was way before my time (I was born in 1980). Just curious, since all the other Andersons (yes I know they're not actually related) pretty much love Jim Crockett Jr.

[Consrvtve]

"1. As MACW, how am I supposed to hire people like, oh, Tully Blanchard and Ole Anderson, in order to put on the Four Horsemen storylines? They have loyalty to their respective promotions, making it impossible to hire them away. Neither promotion is doing poorly."

I agree. I'm trying to do 4H in WWF :)

[TheMiser]

Mr. Baker and others who can help,

I have a couple of story-lines that I just can't seem to progress due to my inability to find the correct angle:

In the "two workers feud their way to cage match"

Step 9: Protag invites to ring- no face off- (both workers are catalysts.)

and

The Turning of Bundy:
Believe it or not, Step 5- Hype angle announcer (catalyst) and worker (subject)

More importantly, what are some tips to find the right angles easily? I've been filtering by Type and sometimes Filtering by Number of Participants- but I found that not to be guaranteed success.

Thanks in advance!!!!!!!

[soundsofsilver]

Roddy Piper's gimmick, The Hot Rod, has a B- for the risk. Considering the WWF's product has no risque or cult, when I debuted him, his gimmick rating was an F-. Clearly that's not a very good idea, as he was a major star for the WWF, and his Hot Rod gimmick was huge.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

In the "two workers feud their way to cage match"

Step 9: Protag invites to ring- no face off- (both workers are catalysts.)
I would use the 'Skit: Face Off, But No Contact' angle for that one, Miser.

The Turning of Bundy:
Believe it or not, Step 5- Hype angle announcer (catalyst) and worker (subject)
I suggest one of the 'Announcer Hypes Singles' angles.

More importantly, what are some tips to find the right angles easily? I've been filtering by Type and sometimes Filtering by Number of Participants- but I found that not to be guaranteed success.
That one is tougher. As I wrote all of them, I know exactly which angle goes with which. I was thinking of maybe adding a storyline section to the DOTT Read Me - maybe with all the 'suggested' angles for each plot point.

Would that help?

In the meantime, you can always go into the main editor and check out the Analysis of each plot point. That lists out all of the possible angles that can be used.

1. As MACW, how am I supposed to hire people like, oh, Tully Blanchard and Ole Anderson, in order to put on the Four Horsemen storylines? They have loyalty to their respective promotions, making it impossible to hire them away. Neither promotion is doing poorly.
Substitute Tully for... oh... Rufus R. Jones? ;)

If you are trying to form the Horsemen a couple of years early (they formed in Spring of '85), you'll just have to find suitable replacements. Or wait.
All loyalty relationships change over time. I can attest to seeing Tully hit the free agent market eventually. Ole? I'm not sure. The loyalty to Barnett combined with his head booker position might be a tough one.

I would wait until Tully and Gino Hernandez become available. Gino is a much better fit than either Anderson (imho). :)

2. Just curious, but why does Lars Anderson hate Jim Crockett Jr? Not saying that's incorrect, because I honestly have no way of knowing since Lars Anderson was way before my time (I was born in 1980). Just curious, since all the other Andersons (yes I know they're not actually related) pretty much love Jim Crockett Jr.
Saying Ole loved anyone but his actual family is stretching it. Heh.

Lars had a falling out with the JCP office in the 70s for whatever reason, according to an interview I have read. It's one of the reasons that he never had an extended stay in Crockett Land.
From what I understand, he was really bitter for awhile that Gene and Ole became 'the' Andersons - whereas he (Lars) was one of the first, heh.

[soundsofsilver]

So I was doing the classic Hulkamania initiation with Hogan in the WWF, except I was using Jimmy Snuka instead of the Iron Shiek, and what do you know, he dies right in the midst of his feud with Backlund.

[TheMiser]

Hi D Boon,

Thanks for the tips...of course, I'd glady devour your script notes if you ever get a chance to do that!

Thanks for the hours of enjoyment so far!!

Thanks

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Yeah - Snuka is a zombie. I've seen games where he makes it into the 90s, but it is few and far between. It's one of the reasons that I intentionally removed multiple Personal checks from most of the workers; there are some lethal combinations.

* And the Hot Rod gimmick has had its Risk lowered a fair bit. (thanks SoS)

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And you are very welcome, Miser. I'm glad to hear you are getting some enjoyment out of it. :)

[Anubis]

Ah, so loyalty changes over time, even with family? I don't plan on forming the Horsemen early, mind you. I just figured that Tully and Ole would never be available because Tully is related to SWCW's owner and Ole has a head booker position and loyalty to Barnett.

I guess I'll wait and see what happens come 1985. I would feel dirty for using anyone other than the original four for the initial formation, though. Not sure if that makes sense, but meh. Hopefully, Ole will fail his owner goals, hahaha.

Thanks for the history on Lars, by the way. Very interesting stuff there.

[Anubis]

Hey, D.Boon's Ghost, you just made the dirt sheet in my DOTT game! Check out the screenshot!

[bobinc]

Hey, D.Boon's Ghost, you just made the dirt sheet in my DOTT game! Check out the screenshot!

I have seen myself make the "dirt sheet" in the game as well.

[DocStevens]

Any thoughts of making another update or are things pretty well set into the near future? Just getting ready to start a game in the next couple weeks and it seems like whenever I finally start a game then an update comes out! :)

[TheMiser]

This version has been going great, Doc...I just changed some minor errors that have been reported in this thread, such as Sunshine's skills and Hot Rod gimmick...not deal breakers in my opinion. I don't see any fatal issues that kill the gameworld.

[Anubis]

After playing a few months, I think the Resilience stat probably needs tweaking on a whole ton of workers. So far, in just a little over two months, I've seen probably a few dozen injuries across the game world, many of them pretty serious. Looking at Resilience, I notice a lot of people have it in the D and C range. From my experience, anything under B- will be extremely injury prone, which is why Quick add usually sets it at least in the upper 70s and lower 80s. While I wasn't watching wrestling in the early 80s, I do question if there were this many actual injuries back then.

A lot of people also have really low body stats, which causes really early retirement. Mr. Ryland had said a while back that a wrestler will be fairly likely to consider retirement once anything hits down around 60, which would be a C, so I've seen stuff like Andre the Giant retire within the first couple months at a fairly young age.

Anyway, just a couple ideas.

[thestardawg]

Help?

Guys...Reading about this Mod pretty much convinced me to purchase TEW. I'm al old wrestling fan..and cant wait to start as WCCW.

Problem is ..well...installing it. I downloaded TEWDOTT.exe into the data file...but...nothing is coming up in the game when I go to database.

I know there's an update as well. Could anyone offer some guidance in getting the database working, and how to install the update.

Much appreciated.

Mike

[darthsiddus2]

you actually have to move the directory (D.O.T.T) itself from where the installer installed it to then move it to the data directory.

[TheMiser]

Mike, the actual update is inside this thread; it's not on Page 1. Create a new Database in the game, name it DOTT or whatever, and then move the actual extracted files inside it.

[TheMiser]

Mike, scratch that- it is on Page 1 of this thread. It's the green link "Update 1.25, sorry.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

What I would do, Mike, is create a new database through the main editor. After that, cut and paste all the downloaded files/folders into the new database folder you created.
The reason for that is that the game will not recognize another database until you 'tell it to'.

If you've any problems, let us know.

[HitmanTerp]

Is there anyone the WWF doesnt steal when they go national? Haha..

I am the AWA, somehow I managed to hold onto Hogan, but the WWF has managed to steal just about everyone else from me.

I am in December of 1983 and my roster little resembles the real AWA roster at that time. Haha.

But McMahon has stolen from me:
Jesse Ventura
Ken Patera
Rick Martel
Wahoo McDaniel

Though, I did manage to get the Masked Superstar from the WWF and some other future WWF stars (Sheepherders, The Iron Sheik and Billy Jack Haynes) into the AWA.

My best acquisition thus far seems to be the Fabulous Ones, for some odd reason, they've really gotten over with my crowds and its forcing me to put them into the title picture really fast.

Rick Martel was my AWA North American Champion when they stole him so I had to hurry and put the belt on someone so made him take a fall to Dr. David Schultz.

[foolinc]

Boon, have you thought of getting rid of everyone's weekly "Tour" shows? I know that it's more realistic, but the CPU always turns it into a weekly PPV, which is one of the most unrealistic things that could happen. I think it would be better for you to just give them another TV show or nothing else since promotions usually pick up another show anyway.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Boon, have you thought of getting rid of everyone's weekly "Tour" shows? I know that it's more realistic, but the CPU always turns it into a weekly PPV, which is one of the most unrealistic things that could happen. I think it would be better for you to just give them another TV show or nothing else since promotions usually pick up another show anyway.

What I have been experimenting with in my own game is the outright removal of all of the PPV carriers. If I want to import them back in at a later date, I can. I suggest doing the same.

Cutting the weekly show is something I would like to avoid. After all, you need to book people or their morale plummets. One weekly television show and an end of the month event will not cut it (especially when that weekly t.v. is an hour and you've a big roster).

Regardless, the realism argument doesn't float as well when attaching itself to a D.O.T.T. debate. TEW is not a territorial-era wrestling promotion sim; there will always be 'unrealistic' instances in the data and how it unfolds. :)

As an example: you might believe that PPV carriers are unrealistic for the era - but Starrcade '83 was broadcast on closed circuit, the Prism network that the WWF used was a PPV/cable t.v. hybrid, heck - the Ali v. Inoki fight was broadcast on closed circuit in the 70s.

It's a toughie. The best bet, as mentioned above, is to remove the carriers from your own game and reintroduce them later on.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I am the AWA, somehow I managed to hold onto Hogan...

How in the world did you manage to hold onto Hogan? :) He's always Vince's prized acquisition in every game I play.

[beatzNrhymez]

don't know if it's been mentioned yet or not, but the "Persian Club Challenge" storyline seems to be invalid, as step #6 it calls for an abduction angle with attacker, catalyst, and victim... but there's no such angle. seems as though it was meant to be an attack angle with those, but was mistakingly ticked as abduction

[foolinc]

What I have been experimenting with in my own game is the outright removal of all of the PPV carriers. If I want to import them back in at a later date, I can. I suggest doing the same.

Cutting the weekly show is something I would like to avoid. After all, you need to book people or their morale plummets. One weekly television show and an end of the month event will not cut it (especially when that weekly t.v. is an hour and you've a big roster).

Regardless, the realism argument doesn't float as well when attaching itself to a D.O.T.T. debate. TEW is not a territorial-era wrestling promotion sim; there will always be 'unrealistic' instances in the data and how it unfolds. :)

As an example: you might believe that PPV carriers are unrealistic for the era - but Starrcade '83 was broadcast on closed circuit, the Prism network that the WWF used was a PPV/cable t.v. hybrid, heck - the Ali v. Inoki fight was broadcast on closed circuit in the 70s.

It's a toughie. The best bet, as mentioned above, is to remove the carriers from your own game and reintroduce them later on.

Oh, I realize that closed circuit was the PPVs of the day and have no problem what-so-ever with them in the game and I understand about getting your talent used. However, like I said the problem comes with the AI controlled promotions going breserk with 2 National TV shows, a Big Show PPV, and then a Weekly PPV.

If you get rid of the weekly events, the human players can always add them to use all their talent and you don't get the problem of having to make them PPVs to keep up with the Jones (or in this case the Crocketts).

I think I am going to get rid of them myself and run it through 1984 tocompare it to a test I did with them still in.

[Sartagis]

heck - the Ali v. Inoki fight was broadcast on closed circuit in the 70s.
I love that match it was single handedly the most boring wrestling/boxing/MMA match of all time. :D
How many matches can claim that?!!?

[soundsofsilver]

I eliminated the weekly shows, and things don't seem to be a problem (after one month :)). But it's just my preference. As I was born in 1988, wrestling to me is 4 TV shows and a PPV, and the weekly big events throw off that schedule to me, and it makes the world less interesting to follow.

[DocStevens]

I like to add more PPV carriers and networks and shows, etc. I play the game with a more 1990s style environment but love using all of the old rosters. For me this mod and my "modern" additions create the perfect wrestling sim!

[TheMiser]

Why does the AI make the weekly shows PPV??? Does everyone's $$$ become unrealistic?

[HitmanTerp]

I dont know how I managed to hold onto Hogan. I renegotiated his contract right away, I did the same with Heenan and Okerland and kept them.

For some odd reason McMahon hasnt tried for him.

He's taken everyone else though.

[foolinc]

Looks like the removal of the events worked out quite nicely. The promotions aren't moving as rapidly as before, and with less events the titles last longer.

With Weekly Events
June 1984
National: AWA, MACW
Cult: AJPW, CMLL, GCW, NJPW, PNW, UWA, WCCW, WWF
Regional: AJW, ASWUK, ASW, AGPW, CSW, CWA (EUR), IWA, MLW, MSW, SWCW, WWC
Small: ICW, POWW, UPF

Without Weekly Events
June 1984
National: None
Cult: AJPW, AWA, CMLL, GCW, MACW, PNW, UWA, WCCW, WWF
Regional: AJW, ASWUK, AGPW, CSW, CWA (EUR), GLOW, IWA, MLW, MSW, NJPW, SWCW, WWC
Small: ASW, ICW, POWW, UPF, WWA

[The Warrior]

Which company were you playing during your experiment with the Weekly Events and no Weekly Events. Perhaps the problem is only with the WWF and if you run the game as WWF then the weekly events being turned into PPVs is actually a good thing because it makes the other companies more competitive. Of course even if you didn't run WWF it would be good because the WWF would be that much tougher to beat.

[foolinc]

Which company were you playing during your experiment with the Weekly Events and no Weekly Events. Perhaps the problem is only with the WWF and if you run the game as WWF then the weekly events being turned into PPVs is actually a good thing because it makes the other companies more competitive. Of course even if you didn't run WWF it would be good because the WWF would be that much tougher to beat.

None. I just auto-clicked and watched.

[The Warrior]

The most disturbing thing about the commentary of those angles is that it is all word-for-word. That guy was/is a nut.

* Looks at hand * :)

Load the spaceship with the rocket fuel!

[darthsiddus2]

and when you load the rocket fuel load it in the spaceship.....

[Anubis]

What about my comments about Resilience needing tweaking? I am seeing injuries happen every two or three days, and it is absolutely insane.

[foolinc]

Another update from the "no weekly event" database game. It took almost another full year, but a promotion hit National! You can all congratulate Verne on keeping with the times in this universe and taking the AWA straight to the top.

WWF and GCW are just on the edge of National, but it looks like GCW is going to lose a lot of guys to the expanding AWA.

MACW right there too, but somehow let Ric Flair go to Canada and work with CSW and the Harts.

More later.

[HitmanTerp]

Update in my game..

The WWF has started to release some of the early talent it raided. They dropped Piper and Ventura.. I am immediatley offered them ridicullous contracts (I am the AWA)

BTW.. I created a new tag team.. Its Greg Gagne and David Sammartino, I call them "The Shadows"

:D

[Anubis]

Oh, I found an error in the title histories. For the NWA World Heavyweight Title, Giant Baba's third reign (between Harley Race's fourth and fifth reigns) is missing.

Harley Race [4] 79/11/07 Amagasaki, JAPAN
Giant Baba [3] 80/09/04 Saga, JAPAN
Harley Race [5] 80/09/09 Ohtsu, JAPAN

[foolinc]

Another update:

It took to the tail end of 1986, but it finally happened, AWA gets a challenger in the world's biggest promotion from the Cindrella, WWC. WWF, GCW, and MACW are still trying to get over to the B- threshold and WCCW is right behind. While further back than the other three, WCCW actually has B- regions so, I've betting they'll make it to National next.

Update in my game..

The WWF has started to release some of the early talent it raided. They dropped Piper and Ventura.. I am immediatley offered them ridicullous contracts (I am the AWA)

BTW.. I created a new tag team.. Its Greg Gagne and David Sammartino, I call them "The Shadows"

:D

Why would you saddle Greg with David, that's just cruel.

[darthsiddus2]

because they try? lol

[D. Boon's Ghost]

don't know if it's been mentioned yet or not, but the "Persian Club Challenge" storyline seems to be invalid...

You might have missed the v1.25 update, which was released awhile back. That storyline was fixed along the way.

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Dropping those weekly events might be the way to go, foolinc; good suggestion. :)

Several of the previous D.O.T.T. scenarios had no weekly events for the AI feds - so I'm cool with it either way.

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What about my comments about Resilience needing tweaking? I am seeing injuries happen every two or three days, and it is absolutely insane.
I'm still mulling it over. ;)

While I agree that Andre might need his Physical Stats and Resilience upped, generally speaking, I do not agree that there is a problem.
The frequency of injuries is not that much different than the Cornellverse, nor any other data set out there (I think - heh... I havent played any of them). And the lower Resilience average of the gameworld roster is an intended challenge; it makes sharing workers very risky and the young workers all the more useful.

Plus, I'm not sure the average age of the wrestlers in the data, but I'm willing to bet it is somewhere in the low 30s. I wanted to reflect the toll these older wrestlers paid for working 6-7 shows a week.

[m2006]

can someone put a link to the 1.25v here?
i just did'nt manage to found it..too many pages to search for..

[Consrvtve]

Um...it's on page one. You click a link that says v1.25 Update.

[The Warrior]

can someone put a link to the 1.25v here?
i just did'nt manage to found it..too many pages to search for..

Yeah page 1 is tough to find. :rolleyes:

[fatallylost]

Almost 430 posts in, I finally post a thanks. I'm not a huge fan of the era, as it was just as I was getting into wrestling (and was born not too long before) but it's definitely worth while.

Also about the injury thing. I'm only about 3-4 months in on my game, but I've only had one injury, that being Invader #1. I've seen small injuries, nothing major really outside of the WWF.

[djthefunkchris]

Almost 430 posts in, I finally post a thanks. I'm not a huge fan of the era, as it was just as I was getting into wrestling (and was born not too long before) but it's definitely worth while.

Also about the injury thing. I'm only about 3-4 months in on my game, but I've only had one injury, that being Invader #1. I've seen small injuries, nothing major really outside of the WWF.

That mod is just plain outright addictive. Sometimes I wish I wasn't making a mod right now, so I could lose myself in it for hours.

Just never, never NEVER NEVER NEVER!! Do an Orndorfamania thing!!! It's Hulkamania, ok, lol!!

[fatallylost]

OK, nevermind the injury thing. During a 6 man tag "last night" Andre was struck down with long term amnesia. I'm guessing Kevin Nash ran in and botched a powerbomb?

I know what you mean by addictive. The other day I think I played for damn near 6 hours, without even noticing it.

Now, off to begin my biggest storyline... the introduction of the Honky Tonk Muraco.

[Franchise22]

how can i get my hands on just the match types, angles, and storylines? is it possible? thanks in advance :)

[Sartagis]

Just never, never NEVER NEVER NEVER!! Do an Orndorfamania thing!!!
Dead to me!! Ya hear that dead!!

No coming back as a Zombie either!!

[foolinc]

Interesting news from Adam's newest patch:


- Historical block added for PPV Carriers (no PPVs prior to 1985)
- Historical block added for TV shows (limit on amount of shows prior to August 1983)

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I love the changes. :)

[D16NJD16]

While I agree that Andre might need his Physical Stats and Resilience upped, generally speaking, I do not agree that there is a problem.
The frequency of injuries is not that much different than the Cornellverse, nor any other data set out there (I think - heh... I havent played any of them). And the lower Resilience average of the gameworld roster is an intended challenge; it makes sharing workers very risky and the young workers all the more useful.

Plus, I'm not sure the average age of the wrestlers in the data, but I'm willing to bet it is somewhere in the low 30s. I wanted to reflect the toll these older wrestlers paid for working 6-7 shows a week.

I agree with this, I think if your going to make any changes, make maybe a few for specific cases that are problematic, but don't change it all.

[Anubis]

ARGH! The new patch really ruins my diary, because I have two television shows and a major pay-per-view deal. I can never keep a game going it seems . . .

[Consrvtve]

Lovely. Now I know why I'm still working on the 1.2 patch. 1.3 and beyond screwed everything up.

[soundsofsilver]

Anubis, why don't you just keep playing through it?

[Anubis]

Anubis, why don't you just keep playing through it?

How could I explain it in my diary? And how would I be able to maintain my momentum? The television shows are important to my product, and the pay-per-view deal was a big thing for my company. I have no way to explain losing everything in my diary, and no way to keep my momentum going.

Does anyone know how the patch affects games that are already in progress exactly? I need to know the precise details of the patch and exactly what the limits are and how it all works.

[soundsofsilver]

Oh never thought about that. TEW is all in my head/imagination, not a diary. I would think you would be able to make up a good enough story as to why your 2nd TV show got cancelled.

[Anubis]

Nope, can't figure that out, or how to explain pay-per-view suddenly vanishing from the face of the world.

So depressing. I was going to try to keep that diary running for years upon years. I gotta say, while it seems like a decent update on the surface, it really screws over any games that are already in progress. That and the DOTT data for events and shows is going to need to be entirely re-done now to account for the changes.

[tommytomlin]

Why don't you just not download the patch?

[Anubis]

But then I can't get tech support anymore or any of the other fixes that get implemented, at least not until I get to at least 1985 in my diary. Ugh, I really don't like this update.

[jbergey_2005]

Just come up with an idea that the court ordered a stop to PPVs due to one of the competitors filing a lawsuit due to unfair practices by your company/companies and the new monopoly laws.

[Adam Ryland]

Lovely. Now I know why I'm still working on the 1.2 patch. 1.3 and beyond screwed everything up.

Yeah, a feature that adds historical accuracy and makes DOTT more realistic, what a huge screw up that is. Damn me straight to hell for going out of my way to try and help improve one of the most popular mods.

I need to know the precise details of the patch and exactly what the limits are and how it all works.

It works exactly how it says it works, you can't negotiate for PPV deals prior to 1985, and you can't negotiate for a second TV show prior to the autumn 1983 season. Promotions that start with PPV deals or have them in save games will keep them until the point that they have to be re-negotiated. Promotions with more than one TV show can keep both shows but can't negotiate for any more.

That and the DOTT data for events and shows is going to need to be entirely re-done now to account for the changes.

Yeah, I purposely added it just to annoy the makers of DOTT. Did it occur to you that when adding a feature that specifically effects one mod that they may have had some input on it?

[Anubis]

Yeah, a feature that adds historical accuracy and makes DOTT more realistic, what a huge screw up that is. Damn me straight to hell for going out of my way to try and help improve one of the most popular mods.

It works exactly how it says it works, you can't negotiate for PPV deals prior to 1985, and you can't negotiate for a second TV show prior to the autumn 1983 season. Promotions that start with PPV deals or have them in save games will keep them until the point that they have to be re-negotiated. Promotions with more than one TV show can keep both shows but can't negotiate for any more.

Yeah, I purposely added it just to annoy the makers of DOTT. Did it occur to you that when adding a feature that specifically effects one mod that they may have had some input on it?

Look, sorry for my whining and griping and bitching about this one, but it has taken me quite a while to settle into a save that I could stay interested in and enjoy, one that I am even writing a diary for. Excuse me for being beyond frustrated that my hard work is essentially wasted because of this update. I was really enjoying my save, but it gets kinda screwed up at this point to lose the pay-per-view deal since I have no plausible way to explain pay-per-views suddenly disappearing in the diary, and it also goofs up my plans. I could not plan ahead for something like this, and so it is a major blow.

Now I know I do offer a lot of criticism with an unintentionally brash tone, but I usually mean well by it. I respect the work you do, Mr. Ryland, and I love TEW2007. Any criticism I have had has been an honest attempt to help, even if my tone leaves a bit to be desired. I can not help how I sound over the internet, it is just a quick, nothing more and no disrespect intended.

This time is different. I am whining and griping and bitching, mainly because yet another save is goofed up, and I am incredibly freaking frustrated. If this were something that you could turn on or off, or something that did not apply to games already in progress, I would have no problem with it and I would be quietly enjoying my save. If it had always been this way, I again would have no problem with it. The problem is that is directly affects my current save. The TV show thing, no big deal, I care not about that since I am in July 1983 with several seasons to go on both of my shows, meaning by the time I need to renew the deals, it will be after August 1983 and thus a moot point. The problem is with losing my pay-per-view deal when it runs out in a few months with no decent explanation whatsoever; I can not claim the monopoly story since WWF competes pretty well with me, and I can not claim cancellation because my buyrates are good and increasing with every pay-per-view. The only thing I could put in the diary is "The cruel God Ryland decided to kill pay-per-view for the next year and a half," and that just sounds silly since I meant my diary to be serious.

So yeah, I am saying it, I do not like the execution of this update because it will goof up what I have already done in the game. I am whining and griping and bitching out of pure frustration. Sorry for having an opinion and being outspoken. I am just sick of having to start over.

[Adam Ryland]

By the end of the day today I will PM you with a link to a special version of the patch with these blocks removed.

[tommytomlin]

Adam, you are classier than Ron Burgundy.

[jagilki]

Adam, you are classier than Ron Burgundy.

That's darn classy.

[panix04]

have you notuced you never see Adam and Santa Claus at the same time? Co-incidence?

[Adam Ryland]

For anyone else who wants it, it's here (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/adamupload/TEW2007_AMD.zip).

Ho ho ho.

[Trackersan]

Adam, you are classier than Ron Burgundy.

But can he play the Jazz flute? I guess we'll have to wait for the next update to find out.

Seriously though, major kudos to you Adam for making putting in the historical blocks to add to the realism of this mod, and then going through the effort of making a special patch to take it out. You really go above and beyond in what you do for the community.

As far as the Santa Clause theory...he did add alter-ego's to the latest version of TEW. Hmm....foreshadowing? And last year as Santa was leaving my apartment I could have swown he had a british accent when he said "on Dancer, on Prancer."

[DocStevens]

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[Crychon]

Bah, I just got to 1984 when Barry Darsow entered wrestling, so I figured I'd get Demolition started a bit earlier... Well, as it turns out, Ax and Smash have absolutely zero chemistry as partners, and I am a sad panda.

[Anubis]

For anyone else who wants it, it's here (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/adamupload/TEW2007_AMD.zip).

Ho ho ho.

Absolutely awesome. Mr. Ryland, you have once again shown you are better than the combined big companies out there, as you actually listen to your customers. I would vote for you for President of the United States if I could.

Yeah, like I said, the new features alone weren't the problem as much as the new features interfering with my current save. I thank you very much, Mr. Ryland. I think it is safe to say that the fans of The Dunvegan Dynasty (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21623) thank you as well.



EDIT: By the way, found another error in the DOTT data. In the angle "Post Match: Brawl (2vs2)", only the first two are rated on anything, the second two aren't rated at all. They are also set to Off Screen.

[MiddleGA]

By the end of the day today I will PM you with a link to a special version of the patch with these blocks removed.

Okay, that was cool.

The text sim equivalent of marking out over here.

[foolinc]

Since I posted it in another topic, I might as well post it here to for all that are interested in how my test game is going:

In the test game for DOTT where I am watching to see what happens to the world when the AI doesn't have their weekly events here is the World's 3 National Promotions current title holders (with number of defenses) on Mon Jan W1 1988.

American Wrestling Association
AWA World Heavyweight - Buddy Roberts (32)
AWA World Tag Team - Rick Martel and Rip Oliver (13)
AWA Television - Rick Martel (9)
AWA Light Heavyweight - Steve "Mr. Electricity" Regal (13)

All Japan Pro Wrestling
NWA United National Heavyweight - Vacant (Basicly unused)
MWA International Heavyweight - Vacant (Also unused)
PWF Heavyweight - Mighty Inoue (14)
87's Champion Carnival Winner - Sgt. Slaughter
87's Real Tag League Winners - Mighty Inoue and Dick Murdoch (back to back winners)
NWA International Tag Team - Mark Rocco and Riki Choshu (10)
NWA International Junior Heavyweight - Jushin Liger (21)
All Asia Tag Team - Umanosuke Ueda and Canek (13)

World Wrestling Council
Universal Heavyweight - Dusty Rhodes (22)
87's Gillette Cup Winner - Dick Slater
Puero Rican Heavyweight - Greg Valentine (8)
WWC North American Heavyweight - Carlos Colon (14)
WWC World Tag Team - The Human Chess Team: King Kong Bundy and Scott Irwin (8)

[D. Boon's Ghost]

AWA World Heavyweight - Buddy Rogers (32)

Is that correct, or is that supposed to be Buddy Roberts?

I'd be stunned if the Nature Boy was wrestling. :)

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And it's interesting that WWC made it as a National in your test.

[foolinc]

Is that correct, or is that supposed to be Buddy Roberts?

I'd be stunned if the Nature Boy was wrestling. :)

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And it's interesting that WWC made it as a National in your test.

I have no idea what your talking about. ;)

[Anubis]

Here is one that's been annoying me constantly since I started. Jack Brisco is set to "Sometimes" for all three of Wrestler, Occasional Wrestler, and Road Agent, and he always wants to be an Occasional Wrestler and gets pushed as such when I click on Automatic Pushes. Wrestler should probably be set to "Usually" so that he is properly maintained as an active wrestler (since it appears he was active throughout 1983).

[The Warrior]

Here is one that's been annoying me constantly since I started. Jack Brisco is set to "Sometimes" for all three of Wrestler, Occasional Wrestler, and Road Agent, and he always wants to be an Occasional Wrestler and gets pushed as such when I click on Automatic Pushes. Wrestler should probably be set to "Usually" so that he is properly maintained as an active wrestler (since it appears he was active throughout 1983).

Then change it.

[TsuMirren]

I need to get back playing DOTT, loaded up the T-zone real mod to do some "testing" and just went pfffffffffffffffffffft and turned it back off again.

[theoutlaw321]

Here is one that's been annoying me constantly since I started. Jack Brisco is set to "Sometimes" for all three of Wrestler, Occasional Wrestler, and Road Agent, and he always wants to be an Occasional Wrestler and gets pushed as such when I click on Automatic Pushes. Wrestler should probably be set to "Usually" so that he is properly maintained as an active wrestler (since it appears he was active throughout 1983).

Again, I have Jack and I push him as a main eventer. Have no problems from him unless I try to use him 4 times a week. Yes he says that he perfers to be pushed as an occassional wrestler. At 3 shows a week he appears 1-2. So I occasionally use him as it fits my promotion. Again adapt to the game.

[Von Dozier]

This'll be my first time ever playing DOTT. Thanks for all the hard work to this mod, it's appreciated.

[ACCBiggz]

"The Big Cat" Ernie Ladd passed away today.

I thought I'd post this here since some of us recognize him and what he did for the sport.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

"The Big Cat" Ernie Ladd passed away today.

I thought I'd post this here since some of us recognize him and what he did for the sport.

Oh, wow -- that sucks. The Big Cat was a big part of Cleveland pro wrestling history and one of the few guys my father still talks about almost in awe.

R.I.P.

[fatallylost]

It's weird, 3 months into 2007 and we've lost four people already. Ernie Ladd, Bam Bam, Bad News Allen, and Mike Awesome.

[Supermercado]

My first A* match in the MACW/NWA. Bruiser Brody beats Dusty for the world title in a No-DQ match.

[markieje]

It calls for an Abduction angle, and there aren't any in your data set.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

It calls for an Abduction angle, and there aren't any in your data set.

Both Persian Club storylines have been fixed. If you haven't already, I suggest downloading the v1.25 update. I cannot say for sure it was fixed for the last update, but I'm pretty sure it is.

And if not, I'll be releasing v1.35 soon enough.

[Saffir]

I must say that this is a fantastic mod, and reading diaries about it got me to plunk down the $34.95 for TEW07. Running Angelo Poffo's ICW is extremely difficult, as some of the higher rated workers in the federation work elsewhere on Thursdays :D

Are you taking suggestions for workers that aren't currently in the data? While the data as far as workers go is very extensive, I noticed some minor guys were missing.

I didn't see the following:

Rusty Brooks - Debuted in 1982, might be as someone else in the data but I couldn't find any of his aliases listed on obsessedwithwrestling.com. Claim to fame was wrestling Hulk Hogan on live TV.

Jerry Oske - Again, might be someone else in the data. However, it's hard to find a lot of information on him. It's surprising, since he has a victory over Randy Savage for the AWA Southern Championship, and as Jerry Allen, beat Rick Rude at a house show when Rude made his WWF debut. The little I've been able to find about him indicated that he was a pretty solid worker with a good look and a lot of potential that just ended up being used as a WWF jobber by the late 80s.

Mario Mancini - Debuted in August 1984 at 18 years old. He was one of my favorite jobbers of all time, and certainly made his opponents look real good at times.

[edenborn]

For 1.35: If you haven't fixed this already, I've noticed that Ray Mendoza starts the game without fluency in Spanish.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

For 1.35: If you haven't fixed this already, I've noticed that Ray Mendoza starts the game without fluency in Spanish.

Gah. Fixed. Thanks a lot for that, edenborn; apologies for the stupid error.

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And thanks for the kind words, Saffir. I'm glad you are enjoying it.

I'll add those guys for the next update; excellent suggestions.

[HitmanTerp]

Could someone make me a younger picture of Davey Boy Smith?

His pic in this game is driving me crazy because he is so old in the pic. :D

Preferabley one from this era?

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/b/britishbulldogs/03.jpg

[legendkiller13]

dboon, i was wondering if you ever updated the new workers. I remember it was talked about right after this came out, but i dont remember it being talked about since.

[MulkeyMania]

i have a question. i cant seem to find the parts of a storyline.

i am looking to do a step in the arm wrestling stroyline. it calls for a skit anglr involvling both wrestlers. cant find a skit angle that goes with it though.

any help will.... ah help!

[MulkeyMania]

"The Big Cat" Ernie Ladd passed away today.

I thought I'd post this here since some of us recognize him and what he did for the sport.

that really sucks. he will be missed.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

dboon, i was wondering if you ever updated the new workers. I remember it was talked about right after this came out, but i dont remember it being talked about since.

I haven't touched the new workers since talk was made concerning putting together a comprehensive list by a couple of members here. I'm really not sure if anything is being done in that regard.

As previously stated, one of the main reasons I feel uncomfortable doing the New Workers is that I stopped watching wrestling in the mid 80s; I'm square on modern workers and couldn't do them justice.

[Consrvtve]

Was Ronnie Garvin removed? I can't find him in 1.25

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Could someone make me a younger picture of Davey Boy Smith?

His pic in this game is driving me crazy because he is so old in the pic. :D


Considering the source pic is fairly crappy, the cut doesn't look the best - but hopefully it should do. :)

http://cyclopsltd.net/pics/Davey_Boy_Smith_2.jpg

[D. Boon's Ghost]

i am looking to do a step in the arm wrestling stroyline. it calls for a skit anglr involvling both wrestlers. cant find a skit angle that goes with it though.

any help will.... ah help!

That would be one of the two Contest: Arm Wrestling angles.

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Was Ronnie Garvin removed? I can't find him in 1.25
Not on my end, at least. :)

[Consrvtve]

Thats really weird, I went through all the rons and ronnies and didnt see him but now he's back. Great Mod and work.

[kevel33]

Is the next update being released soon? there will be a next update right?

[Sartagis]

I haven't touched the new workers since talk was made concerning putting together a comprehensive list by a couple of members here. I'm really not sure if anything is being done in that regard.
I'm still working on those. Not too far along though. Not sure about how far dolfaner is on his. Mine mostly center on JPN guys and people who have worked a fair bit in JPN.

[panix04]

Maybe its an age thing, but for me the more new workers the better! I can't wait to nab some new workers when they enter my game!

[soundsofsilver]

Arnold Skaaland now dead at 82.

[MulkeyMania]

got a question. i see that the best of seven storyline is in the database. (i went to the editor). i go inot my storylines while booking and was going to start up a best of seven but it doesnt show up?

[Consrvtve]

got a question. i see that the best of seven storyline is in the database. (i went to the editor). i go inot my storylines while booking and was going to start up a best of seven but it doesnt show up?


It's right before "The Birth of Hillbilly Jim"

[MulkeyMania]

ok, i must be a complete idiot. could someone lay out the arm wrestling storyline by steps. because i cant seem to find the steps it calls for. is it me or is it not clear in the explanation. i post here but i get one by one and i think i have them and then i play it out and it doestn move the storyline forward.

what am i not looking at correctly. i look for response angles, celebratiojn angles etc. i guess i need it spelled out for me.


thanks for something.

[HitmanTerp]

Thanks for the pic!

[soundsofsilver]

I just noticed... Vince McMahon Jr. seems to have no gimmick performance stats.

[Corey_Vandal]

I just noticed... Vince McMahon Jr. seems to have no gimmick performance stats.

Well he didn't realy at the time. Think back to 'announcer Vince' and he had 0% Cool, 0% ****yness, 0% Crazy ect., just like the stats. I suppose you could always give him some Wholesomeness, but everything else he developed over time.

[soundsofsilver]

I would say that his stats should probably be low, but the fact that they're all 0%'s indicates to me that it's an oversight. Surely he wasn't great across the board, but any joe shmoe off the street would have some stats SOMEWHERE.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I would say that his stats should probably be low, but the fact that they're all 0%'s indicates to me that it's an oversight. Surely he wasn't great across the board, but any joe shmoe off the street would have some stats SOMEWHERE.

You are correct; it is an oversight on my part. Fixed for the next update.

[markieje]

I can't find the right angle for the Trap at the end of Turning of Superfly I, or the Decision angle with 4 subjects for the Final Conflict I storyline, either.

[Sartagis]

I can't find the right angle for the Trap at the end of Turning of Superfly I, or the Decision angle with 4 subjects for the Final Conflict I storyline, either.
There is none for teh Turning of The Superfly angle (I assume it's the "Albano orders Crippler attack" step).

And i can't find any plot point that needs a decision angle in either parts of "Final Conflict".

[markieje]

There is none for teh Turning of The Superfly angle (I assume it's the "Albano orders Crippler attack" step).

And i can't find any plot point that needs a decision angle in either parts of "Final Conflict".

The booking of Steamboat and Youngblood vs. Briscoes is a Decision step, with all 4 as subjects. I tried decision with 4 and 5 characters, because I figured there'd have to be a 5th character making the decision.

I eventually just evolved and skipped some steps.

Its a great game. I've had some fantastic matches, especially with Harley Race as my champ; the belt is fast approaching full prestige. I've seen Harley pull A* matches out of Backlund, Hogan, Rhodes, and Jack Brisco, so far.

[soundsofsilver]

I feel bad for the AI, they can't seem to put on nearly as good of matches as my WWF. I've had A-A* matches with Andre vs. Slaughter, Andre vs. Muraco, Hogan vs. Sammartino, Backlund vs. Steamboat, Steamboat vs. Funk, and a couple others I think, but I haven't seen any with the AI.

[Consrvtve]

^^^ How many minutes are you giving those guys for their match? For some reason if I give anyone on my WWF roster more than 11 mins in a match I get the note saying they were exhausted by the end.

[DocStevens]

^^^ How many minutes are you giving those guys for their match? For some reason if I give anyone on my WWF roster more than 11 mins in a match I get the note saying they were exhausted by the end.

I have never received that message using those guys in much longer matches than 11 minutes. What kind of matches are you using? Maybe the higher risk matches make them tire quicker or maybe they are worn down going into the match (high work rate, etc).