No Way Out Main Event (Spoilers)

[Moe Hunter]

It's going to be Batista and Undertaker vs John Cena and Shawn Michaels, presumably non-title, despite three championships being held up in the match.

What does everyone think of this? Personally I'd prefer simply HBK vs Undertaker (their showing at the Rumble was incredibly exciting), but at least it means we don't have to see Batista carried through another singles match (he can be good some times, but really Kennedy was the star of their match). Cena is entirely superfluous to Smackdown, and yet this will be his second time in a row MEing a SD PPV. I'm surprised they didn't shove him into December to Dismember.

[TravisL]

I honestly don't care. Three horrible wrestlers in a single match deters my enthusiasm for No Way Out completely.

[The Aussie]

I personally reckon that it is ****, Vinnie Mac refuses to let Smackdown establish credible draws because he is always cross promoting Smackdowns PPVs with RAW and if someone has become a popular wrestler than he gets shipped off to RAW.

It's getting really freaking tireing

[PoisonedSuperman]

I don't care much for in ring skill and like entertainers and cool moves alot more but I'm not going to be getting NWO either, simply because 4 good guys in one match? Stupid. Unless one of the teams turn before then I'm not wasting my 39.99 or 29.99 or 34.99 whatever it is.

[panix04]

a non title tag match as the headline of a PPV including Batista - who can't wrestle, undertaker who really needs to be in the ring with someone who can play to his strengths these days and John Cena who whilt i like him, lets be honest he doesnt really bring a lot to a match does he? HBK can usually pull a good match out of the bag, but i just don't see how they can generate the heat to make this match worth watching. Surely this is a smackdown main event , not the main event of the last PPV before mania! Im glad its free in the UK 'cos there is no way i would buy it!

[The Aussie]

a non title tag match as the headline of a PPV including Batista - who can't wrestle, undertaker who really needs to be in the ring with someone who can play to his strengths these days and John Cena who whilt i like him, lets be honest he doesnt really bring a lot to a match does he? HBK can usually pull a good match out of the bag, but i just don't see how they can generate the heat to make this match worth watching. Surely this is a smackdown main event , not the main event of the last PPV before mania! Im glad its free in the UK 'cos there is no way i would buy it!
Funny thing is, the Smackdown exclusive PPVs (read, Exclusive to Smackdown wrestlers) last year were much higher in quality than the RAW ppvs.

[Remianen]

That match would seem to offer the opportunity to do a double turn and thus set up Mania's main event as face-heel for both brands. Turn Batista and, since few people care about him (at least compared to 'Taker), you wind up with the possibility of either 'Taker winning the title at Mania and then continuing the feud with Kennedy (which would definitely elevate the youngster) or risking a smark revolution by having Batista break 'Taker's streak. Or, losing to Taker by DQ, keeping the title, and pursuing a lukewarm Taker-Batista feud (anyone else yawn at that possibility?).

On the other side, they could (finally) turn Cena and start a feud with HBK. Or, more likely, turn HBK and have him work heel while Triple H rehabs and perhaps turn back upon Hunter's return in 6-8 months (or have Hunter return as a heel, YAY!). This leaves Rated RKO out of the main event picture at Mania but that could always be remedied by feuding them (the foreshadowing is already there).

Ah well, I'm sure they'll find a way to totally hose the whole thing.

[James Casey]

A double turn would be worth it, I think. Don't know if they could pull it off in one match, though. Turning Batista also screws SmackDown - no full-time, top line faces left for him to feud with.

Turning Cena would blow things for him, just as he's starting to get the fans on his side - although he does know how to play the role. It'd be interesting to see if the WWE fans would then cheer him out of sheer perversity.

HBK is a natural heel - but again, turning him leaves Raw seriously short of top-line heels. Would WWE do that with HHH out of the picture?

I can't see Undertaker turning at this stage of his career - he doesn't have the energy to go every week, which is what the scenario would require, at least initially.

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As for WM, how do we think MITB is going to go this year? CM Punk, the Hardys, Ken Kennedy, Carlito and MVP seem to be the ones destined for the match, and that would make for an exciting match. Neither Carlito or MVP is capable of carrying their end of a top-line program, from what I've seen. Punk is in the doghouse (still), the Hardys are stuck on the treadmill - and all this points to Kennedy winning, if we assume he's entered.

How does the rest of Wrestlemania stack up?

WGTT wil likely win the Raw tag titles in the next couple of weeks - meaning that Cryme Time can cash in their shot from NYR.

If Jeff Hardy's in the MITB match, it's safe to assume the IC title won't be defended.

Will Gregory Helms be at WM? If the longest-reigning WWE champion makes it to the big show, what price a cruiserweight scramble? And how about SD's tag champs being in the mix, with Brian Kendrick winning the belt, to further a potential (please, don't do it) split storyline between him and Paul London.

Chris Benoit is bound to make an appearance at some point, if he still has the US title. Will he get mnixed up with Booker and Kane? Or will it be a fourway: Finlay vs. Regal vs. Taylor vs. Benoit in a match to make the workrate nuts go crazy.

Will Mick Foley make another WM appearance? He's got to have a book out soon. And what about the Rock? And Chris Jericho?

And what about Khali, and Umaga? Edge and Orton? Chavo, Kenny, and Ric Flair? The rest of ECW? Is RVD/Lashley pretty much a lock for ECW's main event?

[djthefunkchris]

My opinion, they need to ride on the Cena wagon while it's going forward. He definately isn't losing any popularity contests lately, and I remember a while back... When he had a match against Undertaker, and had Undertaker on his back. He went to do the "You can't see me" thing (which he smartly looked surprised as hell that he might be able to do it), and the crowd cheered him... However, they also Cheered Taker when he grabbed him by the throat at the exact instant that Cena was going to wave his hand in his face.

So, to me that is a way to get Cena and Taker in the ring again, and start a rivalry with them two. I still think Taker is going to go for Cena at Wrestlemania... Cena vs. HBK is the only other one that would be major. Batista on the other hand, I just don't know. I was happy for his return, but bassically, outside of the Mark Henry incident on his first day back, I haven't been impressed even a little with him. Fact is, I think Cena is bigger then him now. Taker of course is bigger then all.

I think HBK and Cena were good together against RKO, I mean chemistry wise. To me they are both kind of like People's Own types. Meaning, that the people get behind them because they feel that they do what anyone else would do, your average Joe per say, in their actions (or would want to do). Like Cena attacking Umaga at the signing for the other PPV. Something everyone bassically wanted him to do, instead of waiting for Umaga to do it first. They also have Cena call alot of actions before they happen, and even though he knows it's going to happen, he goes through with stuff anyways, fearless (at least how they make it out).

I would like to see RKO split up myself. There isn't much purpose in them now. Pluss, they are both single stars anyways. Batista vs. Undertaker scare's me, because I'm afraid they will let Batista win. That I just can't aggree with. I honestly think at this point, Kennedy could win a straight match with Batista, and the crowd (although would boo) would believe it.

Forget about Kenny, he has no charisma, very little flash, and no acting skill. He sucks, lol.

Finlay could easily be a main eventer if they had him turn Face, but... Sometimes I think if he is booked right, they wouldn't have to, and he could get the crowd behind him without a turn. Just have him stay as the Bad @ss. Taylor is unimpressive to me, I wouldn't keep him very much longer (or just use him as Regal's partner forever). Regal on the other hand, can work anywhere they need him to work. Booker is due to a turn sometime, how long has he been a heel now?

Why did Flair warn Cena about HBK probably going to superkick him after the match? That's there for a reason... Could Flair think HBK is getting out of hand? If Flair stays involved, then I can see a good rivalry between Cena and HBK, otherwise, no...

Bah, I kind of like the main event if that holds true for No Way Out, because all kinds of things could break out of it... Like after the Match, HBK actually succeeding in a Superkick on Cena, lol.

[eric_m_keeley]

That match would seem to offer the opportunity to do a double turn and thus set up Mania's main event as face-heel for both brands. Turn Batista and, since few people care about him (at least compared to 'Taker), you wind up with the possibility of either 'Taker winning the title at Mania and then continuing the feud with Kennedy (which would definitely elevate the youngster) or risking a smark revolution by having Batista break 'Taker's streak. Or, losing to Taker by DQ, keeping the title, and pursuing a lukewarm Taker-Batista feud (anyone else yawn at that possibility?).

On the other side, they could (finally) turn Cena and start a feud with HBK. Or, more likely, turn HBK and have him work heel while Triple H rehabs and perhaps turn back upon Hunter's return in 6-8 months (or have Hunter return as a heel, YAY!). This leaves Rated RKO out of the main event picture at Mania but that could always be remedied by feuding them (the foreshadowing is already there).

Ah well, I'm sure they'll find a way to totally hose the whole thing.



First of all batista - Taker does = YAWN!!!!!!
Second the dumbest thing the WWE could do right now is take its most over face (Cena) and turn him heel. Were you dropped on your head as a baby.
And finally HBK has stated he would like to remain a face for the remainder of his career.

[Moe Hunter]

Wrestlemania X-Seven called, they'd like to remind you that turning a top face can work very well.

Also, how is Cena their top face? He was getting some "Cena Sucks" chants even at the latest PPV, not to mention the two full years of crowds loving Angle, Triple H, Jericho, Christian, etc over him. Thankfully Edge is so good a heel that he got the crowds swinging the way the WWE wants them to.

Shawn Michaels or Undertaker are the more over faces. Batista in third, RVD would be fourth if he had more exposure... maybe Benoit. Then Cena if he's lucky.

[keefmoon]

Wrestlemania X-Seven called, they'd like to remind you that turning a top face can work very well.

Also, how is Cena their top face? He was getting some "Cena Sucks" chants even at the latest PPV, not to mention the two full years of crowds loving Angle, Triple H, Jericho, Christian, etc over him. Thankfully Edge is so good a heel that he got the crowds swinging the way the WWE wants them to.

Shawn Michaels or Undertaker are the more over faces. Batista in third, RVD would be fourth if he had more exposure... maybe Benoit. Then Cena if he's lucky.

Generally, WWFE admits that turning Austin at WMX7 was a mistake. But I agree it can work.

Batista isn't third most popular, I watched a bit of the Rumble at a friends a couple of days ago and it sounded like Kennedy was getting a bigger pop. I'd say Cena third, behind HBK and Taker. That's just my opinion, though.

[James Casey]

I think we can all agree that everyone else is just playing second fiddle to the wrestling god, JBL.

Honestly, if I had to choose only one show out of SD and Raw, I'd take SD for JBL.

Back on track, though, and there's no reason that face HBK vs. face Cena can't work - the fans will just choose one or the other to cheer.

The only problem is that SD (Batista/Taker), Raw (HBK/Cena) and ECW (assuming RVD/Lashley) could all be presenting face/face title matches, unless someone turns along the way. There's sending the fans home happy, and then there's presenting a lop-sided pay-per-view.

WWE could really do with some new main eventers...

[djthefunkchris]

I think we can all agree that everyone else is just playing second fiddle to the wrestling god, JBL.

Honestly, if I had to choose only one show out of SD and Raw, I'd take SD for JBL.

Back on track, though, and there's no reason that face HBK vs. face Cena can't work - the fans will just choose one or the other to cheer.

The only problem is that SD (Batista/Taker), Raw (HBK/Cena) and ECW (assuming RVD/Lashley) could all be presenting face/face title matches, unless someone turns along the way. There's sending the fans home happy, and then there's presenting a lop-sided pay-per-view.

WWE could really do with some new main eventers...

They have them, they just don't utilize them as much anymore... Boogieman could be a main eventer if pushed even a tad bit (I know he can't wrestle, it's the damn worms and well, he's the BOOGIEMAN, MUHAHAHA). Finlay is easily anything they want him to be. Kane easily could be, but they want to drop him down. Booker T... I think he's on his way out the door though. Seriously, Lashley and RVD aren't main eventer's, although if they gave Lashley a better moveset, and let him wrestle a bit, he could probably be there. RVD has never been a Main Eventer to me. Even when they did that huge comeback thing for him, it lasted like two weeks after he got back, then nothing. Now, Diehard ECW fans yeah, he is. Only there though. I like RVD, don't get me wrong.. but he get's more of a pop for the same reason Ric Flair does, RESPECT. Randy Orton and Edge have both prooved to be able to handle a Main Event slot as well.

Far as popularity, Taker, Cena, then HBK... Triple H of course, but he's out of the picture. Batista is in the top five, but just. Really, That dang Khali could be if they turned him Face. I think Cena needs to stay a Face (for now), as well as HBK (if that's what he wants, but would love to see him as a heel). Triple H wants to be a face too, but he's out anyways. Ric Flair, I don't think he can turn if he tried now, the crowd would probably keep cheering for him no matter what. Batista needs to switch with Finlay, and team up with Kennedy. Finlay needs to lay them both out, and become the true bad @ss he is. His Shalelah = Triple H's Sledgehammer = Sting's Baseball Bat. He could go face and do it, easily.

I also thing Batista as a Heel would work out better for him. I think his wrestling style would fit it, and when he switched back (a year or so from now), he would be bigger then ever... Which he needs to be. He also needs practice, lol. Cena turning should happen this year... I just think it's time, pluss I think it could turn his carreer around. He needs to get sick and tired of everyone and just start kicking everyone's butt... And start flipping off McMahan and everyone else like Joe did to Christian last night. Cena could do it as a heel, he could end up more popular that way... People's Champ, Fan's Own, whatever, ala "Steve Austin"... and I watched alot of Austin, so don't say Austin was this superior wrestler or something. He was just believable.. Cena has that in him (only instead of the redneck, he'd be the trailer trash thug, lol).

The Big guy in Cryme Tyme (Shad?), He can make it to the top whenever the team splits... Although I think I would keep that team intact for a good while.

But jeesh... they have the Main Eventer's. They just aren't preparing them right. Kane, Taker, Batista, Cena, Edge, Orton, Finlay, Booker, Benoit, Kennedy (yeah, after the last PPV, they need to emulate that somehow on a regular show, so he goes there).... And one other guy I think COULD be, if they changed a few things around. Everytime I watch him in a more relaxed environment, he win's over a crowd with no problem (like the interviews before the PPV's, from fans). That's Chavo. Just something about him since he come back makes me want to see them use him differently, especially without Mysterio (who should be coming back this year shouldn't he?).

[eric_m_keeley]

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[eric_m_keeley]

I'd actually prefer LESS Hunter but lets skip that for now.

Wrestlemania X-Seven called, they'd like to remind you that turning a top face can work very well.

Noted but he was never as popular of a heel as he was a face. You know it. I know it.

Also, how is Cena their top face? He was getting some "Cena Sucks" chants even at the latest PPV, not to mention the two full years of crowds loving Angle, Triple H, Jericho, Christian, etc over him. Thankfully Edge is so good a heel that he got the crowds swinging the way the WWE wants them to.

Where are all these guys that you compare him too? Oh out of the business, employed with competition, or on the shelf. Dont get me wrong if Trips wasnt on the shelf hes the top star on Raw hands down. But you know what right now he is on the shelf.

Shawn Michaels or Undertaker are the more over faces. Batista in third, RVD would be fourth if he had more exposure... maybe Benoit. Then Cena if he's lucky.

Heres a little bit for your mind to chew on.
1. HBK may be slightly more popular at this exact moment buts its only
because of who hes feuding with. The guy whos fueding with Edge and
Orton is going to have more pop thatn the guy feuding with Umaga. I
think that should be pretty damn obvious.

2. Theres a brand split for a reason. Taker, Batista, RVD, and Benoit do
simply not effect this decision. But if the did.....

a. Taker I agree may be the most over active wrestler on the entire WWE
roster. As far as I am concerned Taker is the wrestling god (F JBL),
so on this point I do agree.

b. Batista??? Are you kidding me. If Batista is more over than Cena than
apparently so is half the roster. Mr. Kennedy, Jeff Hardy, etc, etc.

c. And now RVD. Not only is he not over at all, but you put him in front
of Benoit. I realize Benoit has no charisma but give me a break. If this
is what it comes to I would rather watch flys f*uck. Not only that but
RVD blew his possible Main Event push when he was busted for weed.
Its all over for RVD. I mean on ECW he didnt even appear as an ECW
original. Tells me he's going bye bye.

d. And now the statement, "Cena if hes lucky" in 6th place. Give me a
break. The only person I can agree with being over Cena (other than
Taker whih I stated before) would be Ric Flair. The problem with Flair
is that after about five minuets of ring time hes wore out. I'm not
raggin on the guy hes just showing his age.

I'm sorry its just very simple. Raw is the top show when it comes to the superstars. I am not happy that Kane is gone and Taker has always made me want to watch Smackdown but when it boils down to it there are maybe 4-5 guys on Smackdown that are worth turning the channel for.

On Raw however over half the roster is worth the time. I enjoy Carlito and Kenny Dykstra more than I enjoy Batista and they are barley Midcarders on Raw. So here's the list of the most over faces in the WWE.

1. Triple H
2. Taker
3. Flair
4. Cena
5. HBK

Now if you look at that list who is the only one currently with the ability to stay on top for a while. Oh..... Cena.

Thank you, and goodnight.


PS. ECW makes me want to hurl!!!

[Raveneffect21]

It's going to be Batista and Undertaker vs John Cena and Shawn Michaels, presumably non-title, despite three championships being held up in the match.

What does everyone think of this? Personally I'd prefer simply HBK vs Undertaker (their showing at the Rumble was incredibly exciting), but at least it means we don't have to see Batista carried through another singles match (he can be good some times, but really Kennedy was the star of their match). Cena is entirely superfluous to Smackdown, and yet this will be his second time in a row MEing a SD PPV. I'm surprised they didn't shove him into December to Dismember.

Do you have a source or do you sneak into creative meetings

[Gremlinator]

I just watched SD, and it is Cena & HBK vs. Batista & Taker.

[djthefunkchris]

I just watched SD, and it is Cena & HBK vs. Batista & Taker.

And you know something... I think it's going to be HBK fighting Batista most the time and Undertaker fighting Cena...

By the way, since you just seen Smackdown, did you notice the pop each one got?

1. Undertaker
2. John Cena
3. HBK
4. Batista

I'm talking about the way the crowd reacted... and to be honest, Cena's pop gave Taker's a run for his money.

I know there is alot of Cena Hater's.. and I'm guilty (at home, mostly because I like to tease my son), but I'm not going to change what happened/happens to make things seem as though I am right.

Cena in the last few months has been on every talkshow possible, sports show's, freakin' Subway commercials, and his DVD is kicking butt with the TNA crowd, lol... Was in every single commercial that TNA had.

I'm pretty sure Cena is what someone would call over.

ECW is screwing up... They have something in Test, Hardcore Holly, and CM Punk and I've heard that Mike Knox could do alot better if put in a better story (Maybe he needs to be a face).... But they choose to try and push guys like Matt Stryker (to me kind of like Chris Master's) for some silly reason. I know they need tough bad guys, but come on.

HBK want's to fight the Undertaker for the Championship fight rights for Wrestlemania. Then McMahan comes out and breaks the spoiler news we've been waiting on. So is the HBK challenge off? I think I would like to see an HBK vs. Undertaker match. I just get sick of watching HBK on his back most of a match though... Get's old. I'd like to see him go in and kick someone's butt really fast for a change.

[Moe Hunter]

Wow, I the game really does emulate the forums! Raveneffect21 just made my day asking for a reliable source :)

eric however, wants to make it personal, apparently. I'll have none of that.

I know Austin was never as popular as a heel. Austin wasn't that good as a heel because he was a complete anti-hero as a face. Even him beating up Lita didn't seem out of character for him (remember he also went on to Stunner Stacy for not drinking Beer in 2003). The fact is, Cena was a pretty good heel. He could be again, and it would be a lot easier to turn him.

What does it matter the status of Cena's former opponents? The fact is that Cena as a face, got Boo'd against a variety of Heels. I don't think that counts as being "top" face. When was the last time HBK got boo'd? When he turned Heel against Hogan IIRC, and even then once he aired out the backstage politics he got some decent cheers.

HBK was more popular feuding against McMahon and the freakin' Spirit Squad than Cena feuding against Triple H or Edge. And yes, HBK is more over now. Isn't that relevant, seeing as how now is now? We're not talking about top face a few months ago, we're talking now. Cena could turn heel and make a good run of it. HBK would be a better choice to turn if it weren't for his being stuck in DX (though they could have him cut a promo where he points out that a one-man team isn't a team at all).

Yeah, RVD isn't over. Because you know where he is? Velocity. It makes me want to hurl, too. They need to kill it and send CM Punk to Smackdown where he'll actually have matches worth watching on a regular basis. Punk vs Kennedy or Finlay or Chavo = win. Punk on Raw would get swept under the carpet half the time like Benjamin or Carlito.

I agree, Benoit is a LOT better than RVD, and most people for that matter. He's one of my all time favourites. He's just not getting cheered as much as he could be these days.

The brand split does factor in. Top Face in WWE is the question, not top face on Raw. Despite having to be carried thorugh matches, Batista does get cheered a lot for doing very little. Honestly I think you have a point about some other guys being more over - Jeff Hardy still has a huge following. I never did like him much, but he has improved since coming off the drugs. His Swanton actually looks good again.

I've been very impressed by UT this past year - I don't think he took more than six weeks total off TV for the past 13 months. In it he had some fantastic matches against Angle, made a decent showing out of Mark Henry, a surprisingly decent Punjab Prison match, and a great feud with Kennedy, not to mention the Rumble itself. I honestly believe he could stay at the top for as long as he wants.

Do you actually watch Smackdown? Some of your wording suggests you don't, but I can't be too sure. Honestly it has plenty of guys to watch for. Kennedy, Undertaker, Kane, Benoit, London, Kendrick, Booker, Finlay, Regal, Helms, Yang, Matt Hardy, MNM... all consistently putting on good matches every week. Smackdown doesn't have K-Fed or Rosie, so maybe it is lacking in "star power", but it's also missing a lot of the BS you get with Raw.

[Gremlinator]

Yeah Cena's did indeed, and with the whole commercial/show thing, I guess either the 'E or Cena himself have been trying to get people to like him for his charisma and stuff like that, and I don't hate Cena as much as I used to to be honest, as it seems to me like he has improved his moveset recently.

And Punk must of done something wrong recently, maybe his pissing off Arn I dunno, to lose to Holly and Striker in two weeks. I can understand Holly, but I don't think Striker should ever beat Punk lol. ECW really need to get the TV title back, as many people have said, because that would make all the match in the lower card more interesting.

I also would love a Taker vs. HBK match at a SD or something soon after NWO maybe I hope lol. That would be an awesome match in my view, because they both cover up what the other might be weaker in.

Also, WWE must frantically be trying to pull up ratings on SD & Raw, because have you noticed they keep bringing popular people from SD over to Raw and vice versa. They re-united the Hardy Boyz and MNM, whose member are each on different shows, yet they had them bouncing around the brands like rubber.

What do you think?

[djthefunkchris]

Yeah Cena's did indeed, and with the whole commercial/show thing, I guess either the 'E or Cena himself have been trying to get people to like him for his charisma and stuff like that, and I don't hate Cena as much as I used to to be honest, as it seems to me like he has improved his moveset recently.

And Punk must of done something wrong recently, maybe his pissing off Arn I dunno, to lose to Holly and Striker in two weeks. I can understand Holly, but I don't think Striker should ever beat Punk lol. ECW really need to get the TV title back, as many people have said, because that would make all the match in the lower card more interesting.

I also would love a Taker vs. HBK match at a SD or something soon after NWO maybe I hope lol. That would be an awesome match in my view, because they both cover up what the other might be weaker in.

Also, WWE must frantically be trying to pull up ratings on SD & Raw, because have you noticed they keep bringing popular people from SD over to Raw and vice versa. They re-united the Hardy Boyz and MNM, whose member are each on different shows, yet they had them bouncing around the brands like rubber.

What do you think?

I heard Punk did do something, or said something that wasn't liked, so there is probably a bit of truth to what you think there. Taker and HBK was something I was hoping too, I would like to see that on next weeks raw though, lol.. Wishfull thinking.

WWE is being cliche right now, far as pulling ratings off and things.. I believe it all ties in with Wrestlemania. Seems they always pull up around this time of the year. Far as MNM vs. Hardy's... I expected that. MNM Was a pretty over tag team (when Melina wore a miniskirt), They beat Mysterio and Batista for the title.... Hardy's are the Hardy's... That is a feud that could get alot of heat if they were all on the same show. I think the back and forth thing get's on people's nerves.. and I don't think it was working like they wanted it too (thus the lack of it on Smackdown last night).

When you pull in Batista, Cena, HBK and Undertaker on the same show.. Yeah, That's a rating's thing I would think... but they never said they were going to be there so it was a complete surprise, left till the end. I think it kind of just followed the story they have going with them though. Batista comes out and demands the Undertaker give him an answer... I believe they knew the crowd was going to be like "How dare you!", So they have the more popular Cena show up, and compliment him with wanting to know the answer as well... TWO is Better then ONE. Undertaker appears (Respect maybe?). HBK comes in as the "I deserve a chance here" and asks Undertaker a question that no one that win's the rumble could actually say.. "Do you think in the Royal Rumble, we really decided who the best man was?" NO matter who you are, throwing someone over the rope is not proof that your actually the better wrestler (in anyone's eyes). So his balls become valid. It couldn't have happened as well with different angle's for each brand, although they could have made the same points... This seems to me like something just thought out a bit.

And Moe... HHH was getting boo'd in his feud with Cena alot more then Cena got boo's... He also was getting Boo'd while McMahan had him going against HBK... And actually, if you really think about it, the big cheer's come when they brought back the DX Thing. Now... HE did get cheer's when he would talk about wanting the title. He did get cheer's when he said things that were funny ("Now I know you like the Cheerleader Squad, and I'm sure they pump each other with spirit every night, but..."). That was classic. However, Triple H was getting boo'd just as much as anyone ever has when he did the true Heel roles (which he was supposed to do). Triple H is just more over then Cena (especially back then), So you had the Hogan effect happen on the big match's sometimes... Cheering HHH, Boo'ing Cena (Cheering the HEEL Hogan, Boo'ing The ROCK).

I've never seen as much bashing on a single wrestler as I have Cena... Yet he is still in the top five stars of the WWE easily, as a face...

I believe a Heel turn would do him good if it was done well enough.

Austin made a good heel, he just bucked Authority and bassically made McMahan's character at the same time.. I mean, McMahan was not the heel he is today untill after him and Austin had a feud, and Austin represented alot of people that were upset with McMahan over alot of different Decisions. It was classic. Without McMahan I don't believe Austin would have been as good, and vise versa. SO being the bad guy that bucked authority was actually a good guy move, so him coming in with a beer truck and hosing down McMahan, The Rock and whoever else he felt like got big PoP's from the crowd... In much the same way that Triple H would have got if he grabbed that SledgeHammer and hit everyone including McMahan that McMahan would have for backup, although HHH was a heel.

Something like that with Cena would work too. Push him around till he's ready to attack anyone at any time. If McMahan is talking crap about him, show up and knock him out as well as Whomever is with him (Umaga, HBK, won't matter, because he will be doing exactly what they crowd wants him to do).

Just turn him and say, Ok everybody hate Cena, just isn't going to work as well though. So that's why I say it needs to be done WELL.

[Moe Hunter]

Triple H started out getting Boo'd quite well, (after criticising Angle for not getting Boo'd), but he started joking it up - exploiting the fact that Cena isn't a terribly fantastic wrestler, that there's a big gap between their respective levels of talent, experience and respect. The crowd were quick to realise he's right, and so Cena didn't really have the usual face momentum behind him going in. Plus how can anyone not love Triple H as Thor?

The contract signing was arguably the best in recent years - Triple H saying 'Normally I'd say you're signing your death warrant, and then I'd tip the table over and hit you with a sledgehammer I put there earlier. Well I don't need to for you." Then when Big Show and Kane show up, he DOES have ol' Sledgie ready and waiting.

[djthefunkchris]

Triple H started out getting Boo'd quite well, (after criticising Angle for not getting Boo'd), but he started joking it up - exploiting the fact that Cena isn't a terribly fantastic wrestler, that there's a big gap between their respective levels of talent, experience and respect. The crowd were quick to realise he's right, and so Cena didn't really have the usual face momentum behind him going in. Plus how can anyone not love Triple H as Thor?

The contract signing was arguably the best in recent years - Triple H saying 'Normally I'd say you're signing your death warrant, and then I'd tip the table over and hit you with a sledgehammer I put there earlier. Well I don't need to for you." Then when Big Show and Kane show up, he DOES have ol' Sledgie ready and waiting.

Ha, I remember that, I liked that whole thing. He said something about Cena being a "poser", so Cena ended up making the best of it by Posing, for the crowd.. And he did the exact pose that he has in that old bodybuilding picture of himself (that everyone thought was fake). Then said, "Oh, I've been working a few more"... and that really got under HHH's skin, but it was all pretty good. I really liked that segment of the show.

It's funny the things that you forget till someone brings them up.