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lovestruck420
03-24-2007, 12:30 AM
I think an awesome feature would be the ability to bribe a worker to throw a fight. May not be the most sportsmanlike thing in the world, but hey, it does happen. This could be useful in making your champion look like more of a powerhouse than he actually is, or in reverse, if discovered it could destroy your promotions respect levels.
falling_star
03-24-2007, 12:38 AM
Since there will be more of an influence on business and strategy, I think it would be awesome if you had the option to do 'dirty business' to some degree. I don't mean so much as getting the mob involved or running numbers rackets (that would have a place in an entirely different simulation), but things like bribery and gambling could have a place in WMMA.
Of course, 'dirty business' would have to be risky and have ramifications for getting caught. The bigger the company, the more severe the punishment (a company like UFC, for example, could find themselves unable to get liscenced for shows in a lot of places; certainly workers would have reservations about working with someone known for playing dirty).
But this sounds like something that could be fleshed out into a pretty good idea, if Adam thinks something like this could fit into the game.
rjhabeeb
03-24-2007, 12:55 AM
I think Betting on fights would be sweet....if you could make some sort of money system with money getting you rewards......betting on fights in other orgs and yours would be very fun
Capelli King
03-24-2007, 01:14 AM
I think and bribing should some how be an option as it happens in real life. I think however that you should not be caught, simply you have a price tag, depending on the fighter, what is on stake, if it is PPV ect.
Betting is a must feature as well.
Corey_Vandal
03-24-2007, 07:27 AM
That would be intresting.
Maybe Adam could add a sort of 'Odds Meter' that relates to the fighters skills/momentum/win loss record. You can stack the odds against someone by having them lose lots of fights to better fighters, bet on them for the next fight, and have them win. It'd be a good way to get extra money, but you'd have to do it carefuly to avoid suspicion. Say if you have someone who's at 50-1 beat someone who's as 3-1, you could risk an investigagion launched, but less suspicious fix's could go mostly undetected unless your at a global level.
Maybe you could even have it backfire on the night and the crowd riots, dmaging your pretige, causing damage to the building that you'd have to pay for, and even the possibility of being banned from that region.
WrestleManiac
03-24-2007, 11:17 AM
The bribing idea would be cool especially if there was a danger you could get caught and fined/ or banned from holding shows in certain areas for a certain amount of time.
Not too keen on the betting idea, though. The way I see that it would either be eventually worked out by the players and then they'd win every time and make money way too easy or it would be completly random and be too difficult. Obviously the ideal situation would be to make it somewhere between where the player judges the form and skill of the fighters to make a bet, but there will always be some element of randomness to simulate the unexpected or the damn lucky.
sebsplex
03-24-2007, 11:55 AM
The bribing idea would be cool especially if there was a danger you could get caught and fined/ or banned from holding shows in certain areas for a certain amount of time.
Agreed, although judging from how Adam added/altered features in the TEW series, he'll only really work in ideas such as this as long as their is a drawback/negative as well. Not to mention that, but bribing fighters or trying to rig fights could also negatively effect your prestige or legitmacy.
JMimic
03-24-2007, 04:39 PM
I think it's inventive but MMA needs to stay as far away from that kind of stuff in my opinion. That's the kind of stuff thats ran boxing into the ground. I don't want the ability to fix a fight; you shouldn't be able to make someone win I'm sure you could make consequences for it but I just don't think it should be apart of the game.
lovestruck420
03-24-2007, 04:54 PM
but thats the real world, like it or not.
JMimic
03-24-2007, 05:19 PM
but thats the real world, like it or not.
Gambling yes; fixing fights not in modern MMA. If any fighter or promoter were found to have fixed a fight or were trying to fix fights they'd be blackballed for life. Especially the fighter. The people who run MMA companies know that all it would take is one black eye like that and the surge of the sport would be over with.
lovestruck420
03-24-2007, 05:42 PM
That doesn't mean it never happens. If the risk is worth the reward then people will do anything.
JMimic
03-24-2007, 05:51 PM
That doesn't mean it never happens. If the risk is worth the reward then people will do anything.
You're entitled to your opinion but I really don't believe that fixing a fight has any business being in the game. The gambling thing I can maybe understand but you're a promoter of a federation and I'm sure some of those guys maybe have bet on one of their fights but I think the attention for this would be better served going somewhere else.
lovestruck420
03-24-2007, 05:58 PM
In all seriousness, what is it going to hurt if they add in this feature to the game? If you don't want to use it, you don't have to. Much like the dirty tactics in EWdeluxe
TheMiser
03-24-2007, 06:22 PM
Gambling- maybe...bribing- no way.
JMimic
03-24-2007, 07:00 PM
In all seriousness, what is it going to hurt if they add in this feature to the game? If you don't want to use it, you don't have to. Much like the dirty tactics in EWdeluxe
It's supposed to be a realistic simulator; this isn't boxing where that kind of thing is well known to have happened numerous times.
syndicate
03-25-2007, 04:04 AM
It's supposed to be a realistic simulator; this isn't boxing where that kind of thing is well known to have happened numerous times.
it does happen in mma not as much in boxing but it does happen
but it's not something i think the game needs
Genadi
03-25-2007, 05:11 AM
it does happen in mma not as much in boxing but it does happen
but it's not something i think the game needs
I totally agree. Would be a mighty cool feature though, then again additional worker stats like "integrity" may have to be added :p
dubb93
03-25-2007, 12:14 PM
it does happen in mma not as much in boxing but it does happen
I want you to back up your words. Prove it, show me evidence of even 1 unquestionably thrown fight in MODERN MMA.
I'm not talking about the worked fights PRIDE used to do when it first started, b/c at that point they were publically working fights. They were a real fight/work fight hybrid company.
Adam Ryland
03-25-2007, 12:23 PM
I want you to back up your words. Prove it, show me evidence of even 1 unquestionably thrown fight in MODERN MMA.
I'm not talking about the worked fights PRIDE used to do when it first started, b/c at that point they were publically working fights. They were a real fight/work fight hybrid company.
Please don't start with the hyper-aggressive posts, we've had enough of them this week to last us a couple of months. Of course he isn't going to be able provide you with evidence of corruption, any more than you can provide evidence to prove that there isn't, it's a silly response to make. We can simply take the sensible stance that there is likely to be corruption in MMA - because there is in almost every competitive sport - but that it's not really an important point. It isn't going to be a big part of the game - if it makes it in at all, it'd be a fun mini-feature for a laugh - so it's really not worth getting in each other's face about.
syndicate
03-25-2007, 01:28 PM
I want you to back up your words. Prove it, show me evidence of even 1 unquestionably thrown fight in MODERN MMA.
I'm not talking about the worked fights PRIDE used to do when it first started, b/c at that point they were publically working fights. They were a real fight/work fight hybrid company.
off the top of my head only recent one i can think of was shannon ritch fighting dan severn...
that fight had work writen all over it and it happened in 2005
Colby
03-25-2007, 06:44 PM
Another cool little idea of having the betting system in would possibly even just having a whole promotion being a gambling MMA promotion. Where the gambling isn't (or possibly could be for smaller companies) illegal and the company makes money off of the bets their fans make depending on the circumstances, odds, and wager.
This is probably a super, super doubtful idea as it would probably take a ton of time to code into a game trying to mainly focus on MMA, though...I thought I'd throw it out there.
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