Making Weight?

[MaxxHexx]

I didn't see anything about this on the first page so don't hate if it has been answered.

Will there ocationally be problems with fighters not making wieght meaning you must cancel the match or real quick find a sub.

I was just thinking about this after last night on 'The Ultimate Fighter' when Gabe did not make weight for his fight with Cory Hill.

[y2trav]

id say yes, but i think itll be a background thing thrown in there every once in a while to make you scramble. i dont think it should be common but should happen twice a year or so.

[NickC13573]

or you could choose to have the match as an "Open Weight" match

[alden]

in all reality it would not happen very much........i can only think of a hand full when a "real" fighter *no knock on the ulitimate fighters guys* but you are not going to give up a big pay check because you want an extra piece of cake or something.........There is also the possibility of "giving them the weight" as it is said. Basicly it means that you are ok with them not making weight and the fight still goes on.......again anohter person would not usally give up a fight just because the other person is a few pounds more........I like the idea of "special events" but this might not be a realistic one......good idea though man but that is just my two cents.

[D.O.]

I didn't see anything about this on the first page so don't hate if it has been answered.

Will there ocationally be problems with fighters not making wieght meaning you must cancel the match or real quick find a sub.

I was just thinking about this after last night on 'The Ultimate Fighter' when Gabe did not make weight for his fight with Cory Hill.

90% of the time when a fighter doesn't make weight, the fight ends up happening regardless. Typically the fighter is given the oppertunity to accept the fight regardless of his oppenent not making weight. The situation with TUF was anomaly, just because of the situation being that they are exhibition fights in a tournament spread out over weeks. You'd just about never see a replacement the night before a fight because someone didn't make weight tho.

[Cro_Cop45]

or you could choose to have the match as an "Open Weight" match

That's a little misleading, because at least in America the fight would still have to clear the SAC. If the weight difference is a big one the fight won't go down. A HW vs a LHW might fly, anything else in the real world would not happen

[ACCBiggz]

90% of the time when a fighter doesn't make weight, the fight ends up happening regardless. Typically the fighter is given the oppertunity to accept the fight regardless of his oppenent not making weight. The situation with TUF was anomaly, just because of the situation being that they are exhibition fights in a tournament spread out over weeks. You'd just about never see a replacement the night before a fight because someone didn't make weight tho.

Shortest replacement in recent memory is James Lee for PRIDE 33. He was informed on a Thursday, Friday weigh-ins, and Saturday show.

[badbeat]

That's a little misleading, because at least in America the fight would still have to clear the SAC. If the weight difference is a big one the fight won't go down. A HW vs a LHW might fly, anything else in the real world would not happen

Yes but in the case of someone not making weight, what are the odds that the weights are far apart? Usually if it happens the guy is within 5lbs of the weight if not less. I can't remember any fights where the guy was more than 10lbs over the weight I don't think.

[Tommy J.]

Shortest replacement in recent memory is James Lee for PRIDE 33. He was informed on a Thursday, Friday weigh-ins, and Saturday show.

On Pride 34 Akira Shoji took the fight against Gilbert Yvel on 1-day notice.
Tank Abbott took the fight at the latest Cage Rage on 1 or 2-day notice.

[alden]

i was going to bring up the cage rage match....i think it was two but look at what happend in that match also ;).......

[D.O.]

These were all injury pullouts though being brought up, not weight issues due to not making weight at a fight's weigh in.

[ACCBiggz]

These were all injury pullouts though being brought up, not weight issues due to not making weight at a fight's weigh in.
Yes, but it's still a telling sign of normally how they get a replacement 1-2 days before sometimes.

I think the last time someone missed weight and the opponent didn't agree to allow the fight it was a DQ.

On Pride 34 Akira Shoji took the fight against Gilbert Yvel on 1-day notice.
Tank Abbott took the fight at the latest Cage Rage on 1 or 2-day notice.
Forgot about those.

[y2trav]

most athletic commissions also penalize you pay wise...meaning if the fight happens, then your docked x% with part of that goign to your opponet and the other part going to the comish.

[ACCBiggz]

Yeah that was discussed in another thread. Lutter got 10%, 5 to Silva and 5 to the AC.

[D.O.]

Yes, but it's still a telling sign of normally how they get a replacement 1-2 days before sometimes.

Oh I absolutely agree with you that fights are taken on super short notice sometimes. However, I was responding to the specific situation about replacements due to not making weight on weigh in day. You'd have to figure it'd be brought up by someone once it happened on TUF, but that's not a normal fight instance.

But yes, fights (like the Tank Abbott Cage Rage fight) are taken on super short notice all the time.

[MaxxHexx]

These are all good ideas. I would like to know what Adam thinks of this.

[Davie]

This is my first post so if it is messed up in any way I appologize. I have read some interesting things in this thread, but the way i see it is that in order to make it the most realistic. You would need to make your Fight Card like a month or more in advance(at least the main events). During this month or so, fighters could sustain training injuries, pull out of fights(various reasons) have issues making weight. Your Card should have alternate fighters ready to fight on a moments notice. and if no alternate fighter is found,or the main event is not what is advertised, the gate/ppv revenue will suffer. Also I think the game needs to have random pre/post fight drug tests, with random failures, and athletic commission punishments to the fighters who fail.

I'm sure there is more, but this is just off the top of my head


_Davie_

[NickC13573]

Yes but in the case of someone not making weight, what are the odds that the weights are far apart? Usually if it happens the guy is within 5lbs of the weight if not less. I can't remember any fights where the guy was more than 10lbs over the weight I don't think.



I can. Butterbean vs. Aaron Aguilera
In a match where aguilera actually tried a dropkick on butterbean

[thedraem41]

Well that is Butterbean for you, a good side attraction.

[MaxxHexx]

I can. Butterbean vs. Aaron Aguilera
In a match where aguilera actually tried a dropkick on butterbean



Was that a real MMA match?

[TylerDrew]

Was that a real MMA match?

Yea and believe it or not, that's not the only time Butterbean has been dropkicked in an MMA match.

[BlizzardVeers]

Butterbean is fun to watch. Butterbean Jiu-Jitsu is awesome.

[y2trav]

i think all fighter should have a "reputation" stat that determines stuff like this. like if they have a bad rep they dont make weight, or no show events, or get dq'd alot...stuff like that!

[thedraem41]

hmm..not sure it'd work all together..you'd have to have the no show to events thing as a dependable type stat. Everything else seems like it would be in something(like you stated) reputation or dedeication.

[badbeat]

I can. Butterbean vs. Aaron Aguilera
In a match where aguilera actually tried a dropkick on butterbean

Butterbean fights in Super Heavyweight, there is no weigh in weight he has to get to I don't think.

[Tommy J.]

i think all fighter should have a "reputation" stat that determines stuff like this. like if they have a bad rep they dont make weight, or no show events, or get dq'd alot...stuff like that!

How is a bad rep indicative of not making wieght often? Alistair Overeem used to miss 205 quite often but that's because he's a huge guy (6 ft 6 in) not because he's a dirty player.

[y2trav]

hmm..not sure it'd work all together..you'd have to have the no show to events thing as a dependable type stat. Everything else seems like it would be in something(like you stated) reputation or dedeication.

i do like the it being b=dependable a little better....if you dont make weight often, you get a rep of not being dependable of being on the cards...reputation was the best i could think of.

[MaxxHexx]

How is a bad rep indicative of not making wieght often? Alistair Overeem used to miss 205 quite often but that's because he's a huge guy (6 ft 6 in) not because he's a dirty player.


Him getting more famous like he is now would up the stat.