Jesus WWE is cursed

[Astil]

http://www.wwe.com/shows/raw/articles/4776972/lashleysurgery

[Remianen]

I know someone else with the name Kennedy is praying it's just cartilage damage. If Lashley has to undergo rotator cuff surgery, 6 months is probably a conservative estimate of how long he'll be out. They said 5 months for Triple H's quad and he's been out for going on twice that. (Yes I know he's scheduled to return soon but soon doesn't mean 'he's come back already'. Surgery + rest + rehab = return).

[PeterHilton]

I know someone else with the name Kennedy is praying it's just cartilage damage.

NAH. This is the same injury Lashley has been working with since he was the ECW champion. The injury worsened and the angle with Kennedy was just to over the time he's going to miss.

If anything, you can "blame" Lashley/the WWE for deciding to work through the pain initially, but he wa sin the midst of a gigantic push so he/they probably felt it was worth the risk.

[BIGJOSH]

WWE seems to be losing stars left and right.

[djthefunkchris]

WWE seems to be losing stars left and right.

Seems to, but in reality they aren't, at least not left and right. We have seen a good amount of injuries lately though, all the people we care about most. I think if it were all lower card people, it would be less noticeable.

They will be getting a good booste here shortly though. IT's time to get a few more people hired as well. I have some thoughts on what's messin' them up more then anything though...

They have alot of star's just about to "Break" out into the Main event. Kennedy, MVP, CM Punk, lots of people they built up in relatively very little time. They seem to be really pushing them more and more (not to mention the Hardy's as well as Morrison, although not new, but finally getting pushed) to make up for the other star's bouncing... WWE have lost Big Show, RVD, Benoit, Angle, etc.. all in just a year or so...

They have a couple new people, and even the Major Brother's seemed to be getting a semi push for a bit there. The problem I see, is that the more time you spend on the "Brand New" guys, the less time you can spend building the other's up, and then you don't have any "Big Stars", just alot of upper midcarder's. So they have to really stick with the one's they've been pushing right now I guess...

That's my thoughts' anyways.

[PeterHilton]

That's my thoughts' anyways.

The WWE shopuld hire you as a PR person.

In the last calendar year, they have lost HBK, Triple H, Rey Misterio, Undertaker, Edge, and Bobby Lashley to extended injuries. It's only August. Even with Trips and Rey coming back soon, the rest of those guys are out until at least early next year.

You could make an argument that, other than Cena, those are the top draws in the company.

Throw in losing Benoit and RVD not signing an extension and I don't see how you can paint this in anythingother than a negative light.

Your argument that the WWE hasnt created any Big Stars is true..but its been true for the last two years or so. They've lost a ton of talent going back to late 04 and most of the new guys they've pushed have fallen flat on their face.

If Cena hadn't blown up the way he did, their roster would be a complete disaster atm.

[djthefunkchris]

The WWE shopuld hire you as a PR person.

In the last calendar year, they have lost HBK, Triple H, Rey Misterio, Undertaker, Edge, and Bobby Lashley to extended injuries. It's only August. Even with Trips and Rey coming back soon, the rest of those guys are out until at least early next year.

You could make an argument that, other than Cena, those are the top draws in the company.

Throw in losing Benoit and RVD not signing an extension and I don't see how you can paint this in anythingother than a negative light.

Your argument that the WWE hasnt created any Big Stars is true..but its been true for the last two years or so. They've lost a ton of talent going back to late 04 and most of the new guys they've pushed have fallen flat on their face.

If Cena hadn't blown up the way he did, their roster would be a complete disaster atm.

I'm just saying the roster's aren't as thin as what is always made up... It's the STAR POWER that is thin. I know most see that as the same, but I don't. As long as they have something to work with (and the crowd), they have a way to succeed.

I've always said I think TNA has more STAR POWER then WWE does. That's not just being nice to TNA, in fact it's more of a negative for them (More but less).

Anyways, I don't dissagree that there is a loss of Draw (STAR POWER) in WWE.

[Remianen]

I'm just saying the roster's aren't as thin as what is always made up... It's the STAR POWER that is thin. I know most see that as the same, but I don't. As long as they have something to work with (and the crowd), they have a way to succeed.

I've always said I think TNA has more STAR POWER then WWE does. That's not just being nice to TNA, in fact it's more of a negative for them (More but less).

Anyways, I don't dissagree that there is a loss of Draw (STAR POWER) in WWE.

chris, you're kinda talking in circles. STAR POWER (as you put it) is what makes WWE money. It's what sells Pay Per Views and draws ratings. Without it, you get your flagship program pulling 2.5s. Just having bodies doesn't cut it. Having those bodies bang against each other doesn't help at all either. In order to be a star, you've got to beat a star and how do you do that if the stars are laid up?

As good as they might be, Punk-Morrison would not draw as well as Triple H-Undertaker, no matter how much build-up you give it. It will eventually, but not today, not this year, perhaps even not next year. That's what makes this injury streak potentially crippling. You can SAY it's not, but anyone who looks at it objectively can see that losing your TOP DRAWS (except ONE) like dominos is not a positive thing, no matter how talented your undercard MIGHT be.

The reason those people are in the undercard is......?

[djthefunkchris]

The reason those people are in the undercard is......?

Well, from what everyone says, it's from lack of using them right, from not pushing them fast enough, etc... etc.... I'm bassically saying the same thing everyone else said over and over, including you. So what does it matter?

I'm not talking in circle's, your just not following where I'm taking the conversation. That might be my fault, but I'm not a teacher so I'm not going to try to get you to see exactly what I'm saying....

Nothing you said has anything to do with what I was talking about. I said exactly what you said in different words, and I elaborated on something I thought was important.

Reread both my posts, try to put it together. There is nothing there that says' "It doesn't matter if all their top stars are hurt, as long as they have someone to use." No where did I say that, or imply that.

Sometimes I think your twisting my words just to make a point already made.

[PeterHilton]

Um, ok...then what is the point yu are trying to make? Because this...

I'm just saying the roster's aren't as thin as what is always made up... It's the STAR POWER that is thin. I know most see that as the same, but I don't. As long as they have something to work with (and the crowd), they have a way to succeed.

...while technically true... is awfully hopeful.

What you are essentially saying is that its "OK" that they are missing the company's top draws as long as they have a bunch of other guys to step in.

The only problem is, as you yourself pointed out, is that they haven't actually created any new stars and I'm not entirely confident they will. Nobody has really managed to step in. Or the writers haven't created that opportnity. However you want to look at it.

So these injuires, instead of being an "opportunity" or a "way to succeed" are really just a drag on the roster. For now.

It could change.

I don't think it will.

[PeterHilton]

Reread both my posts, try to put it together. There is nothing there that says' "It doesn't matter if all their top stars are hurt, as long as they have someone to use." No where did I say that, or imply that.

Actually...

I'm just saying the roster's aren't as thin as what is always made up... It's the STAR POWER that is thin. I know most see that as the same, but I don't. As long as they have something to work with (and the crowd), they have a way to succeed.

...that's pretty much exactly what you said.

[Remianen]

Hrm, I'm twisting words despite the fact that I:

a) quoted the post I replied to in its entirety
b) pointed out exactly where I felt the switchback occurred
c) refuted said switchback
d) someone else noticed the switchback and pointed it out

Okay!

If God forbid the Colts lost Harrison, Wayne, Clark, Addai, and four of the returning starting offensive linemen, I'd be inclined to say "The Colts offense has been decimated by injury". Perhaps someone else would say, "They're fine, they have backups!". :rolleyes: That is, despite the fact that those people are backups for a reason.

*shrug*

[jbergey_2005]

Yeah DJ has a positive spin on the situation and in the long run it may be a good thing for the E to see if some of these guys have that ME ability but in the short term this is a complete disaster for the E.

Undertaker
HBK
HHH
are Hall of Famers

Edge
Mysterio
are very possible

Benoit would have been a HOFer
and Lashley was given a huge push and was starting to gain some steam

7 Main Eventers in 5 months is impossible to replace especially with no time to try and replace them.

Not to mention Booker being out and Kennedy for awhile. This has got to be the worst injury bug Ive ever seen in any sport.

BTW, Why is RVD still listed as an ECW superstar on the WWE website?

[Sensai of Mattitude]

Seems to, but in reality they aren't, at least not left and right.

To be honest, I don't think chris was even trying to defend WWE, just - for whatever reason - rebuttal a post that he took a bit too literally (the left and right post). Or so it seems. Sort of.

[Sensai of Mattitude]

To answer the question about RVD which cannot be quoted on my PSP, it's because they're still treating it as just an injury and hope he'll resign before they have to acknowledge his leaving.

[PeterHilton]

Yeah DJ has a positive spin on the situation and in the long run it may be a good thing for the E to see if some of these guys have that ME ability but in the short term this is a complete disaster for the E.

To me at least, the people who will benefit the most form this are Orotn and Kenendy and to a lesser extent, Carlito.

I don't really see anyone on SD benefitting because the way SD is written Khali/Batista could wll last until next year. Just a total snail's pace.

[jbergey_2005]

To answer the question about RVD which cannot be quoted on my PSP, it's because they're still treating it as just an injury and hope he'll resign before they have to acknowledge his leaving.

Appreciate it, thanks! He is probably a little bit bitter as the E is equally as bitter about the whole title situation last year. Its his own fault though.

[PeterHilton]

Appreciate it, thanks! He is probably a little bit bitter as the E is equally as bitter about the whole title situation last year. Its his own fault though.

The rag sheets are saying that he wanted to sign a new deal and then take some extended time off. Essentially a 5 or 6 month paid vacation.

The E said no.

So RVD let the contract expire and will *probably* (he did something similar last time) take the time off he wanted and then re-sign. At his age and with how marketable he is I just can't see him going anywhere else.

[djthefunkchris]

I'm just saying the roster's aren't as thin as what is always made up... It's the STAR POWER that is thin. I know most see that as the same, but I don't. As long as they have something to work with (and the crowd), they have a way to succeed.

I've always said I think TNA has more STAR POWER then WWE does. That's not just being nice to TNA, in fact it's more of a negative for them (More but less).

Anyways, I don't dissagree that there is a loss of Draw (STAR POWER) in WWE.

chris, you're kinda talking in circles. STAR POWER (as you put it) is what makes WWE money. It's what sells Pay Per Views and draws ratings. Without it, you get your flagship program pulling 2.5s. Just having bodies doesn't cut it. Having those bodies bang against each other doesn't help at all either. In order to be a star, you've got to beat a star and how do you do that if the stars are laid up?

As good as they might be, Punk-Morrison would not draw as well as Triple H-Undertaker, no matter how much build-up you give it. It will eventually, but not today, not this year, perhaps even not next year. That's what makes this injury streak potentially crippling. You can SAY it's not, but anyone who looks at it objectively can see that losing your TOP DRAWS (except ONE) like dominos is not a positive thing, no matter how talented your undercard MIGHT be.

The reason those people are in the undercard is......?

The post you quoted of mine, and your response, with the part in bold saying EXACTLY the same thing.

[djthefunkchris]

I'm just saying the roster's aren't as thin as what is always made up... It's the STAR POWER that is thin. I know most see that as the same, but I don't. As long as they have something to work with (and the crowd), they have a way to succeed.

I've always said I think TNA has more STAR POWER then WWE does. That's not just being nice to TNA, in fact it's more of a negative for them (More but less).

Anyways, I don't dissagree that there is a loss of Draw (STAR POWER) in WWE.

Um, ok...then what is the point yu are trying to make? Because this...



...while technically true... is awfully hopeful.

What you are essentially saying is that its "OK" that they are missing the company's top draws as long as they have a bunch of other guys to step in.

The only problem is, as you yourself pointed out, is that they haven't actually created any new stars and I'm not entirely confident they will. Nobody has really managed to step in. Or the writers haven't created that opportnity. However you want to look at it.

So these injuires, instead of being an "opportunity" or a "way to succeed" are really just a drag on the roster. For now.

It could change.

I don't think it will.

No, What I'm essentially saying is that YES, the lack of BIG STARS/DRAWS hurts them. However, as long as they have talented individuals like Kennedy, MVP, CM Punk, and the likes, they do have a formula for success if the so choose to build them up. To me, it seems as though they have been doing just that. I just think the injuries have stunted it a bit, because like Remi said, without the MAJOR Star's, like Undertaker or HHH in there to compete with them (and make them), They can't build them up as fast..

As long as the keep going though, and working with what they have, their is a good chance they can bounce back without too much loss, that's all I'm saying.