Does anyone make their own custom weight classes?

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

For instance, I've always thought "Light Heavyweight" sounded kinda silly. I made my classes like this:

Lightweight: 101-150
Welterweight: 151-175
Middleweight: 176-200
Cruiserweight: 201-225
Heavyweight: 226-275

Or does everyone just use the default weight classes?

[mtimmins]

I use Feathweight - Heavyweight divisions, currently. When I run less divisions, it's usually Welterweight - Heavyweight. I've never used the non-standard divisions myself, other than using BCF when they only had three weight divisions back in the day. If you think Light Heavyweight sounds silly, why not use Junior Heavyweight or something?

I'm curious, how does the game handle your competitive credibility if none of your weight divisions are eligible?

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

I use Feathweight - Heavyweight divisions, currently. When I run less divisions, it's usually Welterweight - Heavyweight. I've never used the non-standard divisions myself, other than using BCF when they only had three weight divisions back in the day. If you think Light Heavyweight sounds silly, why not use Junior Heavyweight or something?

I'm curious, how does the game handle your competitive credibility if none of your weight divisions are eligible?

I don't know how competitive credibility is counted. It would seem a bit unfair to totally discount anyone on the roster. If that were the case, why would we have any choice at all with our divisions? We might as well force the "standards" in order to play the game in that case. Making choice and illusion really isn't cool, so I hope that's not the case. Just wouldn't make any lick of sense.

[EddieFnG]

Well, the guys will be judged by the global rankings, which will just count the weight they're fighting at.

[Sertorius]

For instance, I've always thought "Light Heavyweight" sounded kinda silly. I made my classes like this:

Lightweight: 101-150
Welterweight: 151-175
Middleweight: 176-200
Cruiserweight: 201-225
Heavyweight: 226-275

Or does everyone just use the default weight classes?

In WMMA2 I did:

Lightweight: 101-160
Welterweight: 161-180
Middleweight: 181-200
Heavyweight: 200-260

mostly just because I thought the default classes were a little thin and it made for more matchups. With the new game, I've stuck with the default classes because the database has enough depth to support them.

[rawpride]

I don't know how competitive credibility is counted. It would seem a bit unfair to totally discount anyone on the roster. If that were the case, why would we have any choice at all with our divisions? We might as well force the "standards" in order to play the game in that case. Making choice and illusion really isn't cool, so I hope that's not the case. Just wouldn't make any lick of sense.

The choices are there because then you can make bad choices, why only allow you to do things that will cause your promotion to have success. IRL I don't think you'd give much credibility to a weight division ranging from 101-150. The weight difference at the lower weights has more of an impact which is why there is less of a difference between lower weights to begin with.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

The choices are there because then you can make bad choices, why only allow you to do things that will cause your promotion to have success. IRL I don't think you'd give much credibility to a weight division ranging from 101-150. The weight difference at the lower weights has more of an impact which is why there is less of a difference between lower weights to begin with.

Those are the dumbest things I've ever heard.

#1. If going the default route is the only route that works, then there shouldn't be a choice to change them because it makes no sense.

#2. Weight means less at lower levels. Hell, weight means less than skill in all cases. Just look at how Royce Gracie dominated every weight class of fighter during his prime.

Just to reiterate, if the default method is the ONLY method that works, there shouldn't be a choice to change them because it'd be stupid in any case, even changing the weight classes by 5 pounds each would muck things up. That's NOT realistic.

[Daffanka]

I'd imagine that whatever the fighter prefers to fight at (like 221 or 167 or something) is counted as his default weight class. So even if your cruiserweight champion who likes to weigh in at 215 is separate from your heavyweight champion in your company's rankings, he'd probably be ranked as a heavyweight in the world rankings.

[rawpride]

Those are the dumbest things I've ever heard.

#1. If going the default route is the only route that works, then there shouldn't be a choice to change them because it makes no sense.

#2. Weight means less at lower levels. Hell, weight means less than skill in all cases. Just look at how Royce Gracie dominated every weight class of fighter during his prime.

Just to reiterate, if the default method is the ONLY method that works, there shouldn't be a choice to change them because it'd be stupid in any case, even changing the weight classes by 5 pounds each would muck things up. That's NOT realistic.
As someone who wrestled most of my life and has some experience with MMA I can tell you weight makes a difference. Enough of a weight advantage and you can negate a skill disadvantage. As far as your comment about Royce Gracie is concerned, he dominated guys 100 lbs heavier than him because the sport was not as evolved as it is today. Fighters were not as well rounded and most didn't have the kind of knowledge of submissions to defend themselves against Gracie's expert Jujitsu.

IRL fans want to see fights happening at default weight classes, this game is a sim of the real world MMA environment as I take it? We wouldn't see a promotion with ridiculous weight classes rising about the UFC now would we?

[mtimmins]

As someone who wrestled most of my life and has some experience with MMA I can tell you weight makes a difference. Enough of a weight advantage and you can negate a skill disadvantage. As far as your comment about Royce Gracie is concerned, he dominated guys 100 lbs heavier than him because the sport was not as evolved as it is today. Fighters were not as well rounded and most didn't have the kind of knowledge of submissions to defend themselves against Gracie's expert Jujitsu.

IRL fans want to see fights happening at default weight classes, this game is a sim of the real world MMA environment as I take it? We wouldn't see a promotion with ridiculous weight classes rising about the UFC now would we?

Tell that to Li-Kong Ho, who submit Hassan Fezzik every single time I matched them together in quick sim. Featherweight vs Heavyweight :rolleyes:

I kid, I kid! I actually agree with you 100%.

And I'm not 100% sure on this, but in regulated areas within the game, shouldn't using the standard weight classes be pretty much mandatory? I mean to simulate real life?

[Tag01]

Those are the dumbest things I've ever heard.

#1. If going the default route is the only route that works, then there shouldn't be a choice to change them because it makes no sense.

#2. Weight means less at lower levels. Hell, weight means less than skill in all cases. Just look at how Royce Gracie dominated every weight class of fighter during his prime.

Just to reiterate, if the default method is the ONLY method that works, there shouldn't be a choice to change them because it'd be stupid in any case, even changing the weight classes by 5 pounds each would muck things up. That's NOT realistic.

No, THAT'S the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Weight is huge in every class; why else would fighters go down in weight when they struggle at a higher class? Royce was dominant against giant guys who literally had never even heard of BJJ, but athleticism routinely trumps technique in modern mma.

Ask Michihiro Omigawa if weight classes matter at smaller weights.

[Blackman]

No, since the game doesn't rank the fighters in this case. So just existing classes.

[kimura]

i use the default weightclasses, simple reason is for competitive credibility.

XCC the women only start out as 1 division, but i see signs of WEFF going under soon, and hopefully i can buy them out and use as feeder league. When that happens i will split my womens division into 2.

also, in regulated areas, if you have to big a difference in weight, cant the athletic commission reject matches? i know that happened to me a couple of times in WMMA 2.

[timmyismint]

At the moment i am doing:
Lightweight - 100 - 179
Middleweight - 180 - 200
Heavyweight - 201 +

[lain]

I am using 141-147 lb boxing welterweight division.

[praguepride]

While weight does not equal an auto win, as a former high school wrestler in my experience at lighter weights every poumd makes a big difference.

when someone can sprawl and crush you with their weight it is a huge disadvantage.


as pointed out, if your particularly skilled in an opponents weak point you can overcome, but against two reasonably equal competitors, having extra pounds of mass and muscle is huge, which is why weight is so important and why they have weigh ins etc.

If it really didnt matter, why in real life is weight so tightly controlled? you really think pros are just making a big deal about nothing? for decades now?


for every royce who can overcome weight differences there a hundreds if not thousands who cant.

[Daffanka]

The reason Royce was able to win was because he was the only guy skilled at BJJ at the time. If he tried to compete against heavyweights today he'd get crushed.

I dunno if you've ever grappled against a guy significantly larger than you who knows how to use his weight but it's hard. It's really, really hard. It's only going to get harder when you don't have a gi and the guy on top is allowed to punch you in the head.

[VTial]

The reason Royce was able to win was because he was the only guy skilled at BJJ at the time. If he tried to compete against heavyweights today he'd get crushed.

I dunno if you've ever grappled against a guy significantly larger than you who knows how to use his weight but it's hard. It's really, really hard. It's only going to get harder when you don't have a gi and the guy on top is allowed to punch you in the head.

False. Not against today's BIG heavyweights but Ken Shamrock is a grappler that fights at Heavyweight during their time.

Again for the gi, Marco Ruas vs. Remco Pardoe/Pardoel.

If there's something holding back no weight classes, it's the lack of rankings and the lack of credibility/TV spot in any regulated country.

Royce showed how you can get massively popular at the time but if everyone saw Choke instead of UFC more, than Yuki Nakai (despite losing to Rickson) would be even more popular. Sakuraba too had he gotten to the UFC first, dominated and then left and then fought at a higher weight class - he could have BJ Penn level fame right now. (Remember Machida?)

On the flip side, it is World of MMA not World of Vale Tudo but I think if there's a fantasy duel WMMA that could lend credibility to smaller warriors beating bigger Goliaths - it could outsell WMMA 3. Just that it needs to be more on the fantastic side to give smaller weights more of a chance and a romance and vast exposure rivaling a major PPV in WMMA 3 to be "exposed successfully" more often throughout the course of the game.

Right now though, I think it's just impossible to heavily focus on the current MMA setting and then focus it on super flexible weight classes too. (The game does a great job with the rules already but when you add in flexible weight classes - how do you compensate for deaths, lowered quality of smaller weight class fighters due to injuries and the what if of a resurrected Royce when there's no chance the UFC would be popularizing NHB yet again. Maybe had Matt Lindland defeated Fedor but we all saw what happened.)

[Daffanka]

Ken was a submission wrestler, not a BJJ guy. And he spanked Royce in their second fight when he was more well versed in BJJ.

Also Sakuraba wouldn't have gotten anywhere near as popular outside of Japan. His big thing was spearheading the Japan vs. Gracies rivalry that had been brewing for about fifty years and escalated with Rickson sweeping the Vale Tudo Japan tournaments and tapping Takada. Beating up big men was part of his salary man vs. the world image but beating the Gracies made him and made Pride.