Cartoon Chaos Mafia: Game Thread

[djthefunkchris]

I'm Gadget.

Thanks Crychon, but I'm ok with it now.

I'm Inspector Gadget.

Guys, you realize that by not getting together you're giving me room to freelance here right? You let me freelance, I don't know I've even decided what I might do yet.

Well, The thoughts are... Is Panix a "DON", did he leave his house....

More thoughts in a sec.

[djthefunkchris]

I looked at Panix through my "GO GO GADGET TELESCOPE". I looked at him. Become bored in realising he is NO THREAT.

Making sure through PM to the mod, that there was no mistaking, It wasn't just an arm or something... It was ALL OF HIM.

So... The Wizard is who then?

[djthefunkchris]

*Obligatory Death Post*

Well, so be it. Tell you who I am, tell you I'm an Indi, and still get lynched.

At least I can say "I told you so!"

You're Dessssssspicable!

*Dies...finally*

Sorry. Well, I don't know if I would have bought it or not. Daffy certainly was a believable. The Indie thing was hard to swallow... Because that means that your number 12 faction (not counting the Southpark kids I guess).

So..... Panix has to belong to some faction?

[djthefunkchris]

LOL


Ok.


Update:

100% Town:
3. masterded - Bugs' Best
34. Minister Whitey - Bugs' Best
22. trypio - Nicktoons
35. The Shape - The Griffins, Brian
27. BlueStar - The Griffins, Meg
31. djthefunkchris - Gadget
18. Crychon - Gadget

Uncertain:
12. NickC13573 - The Turtles
23. panix04 - Came up town to dj, but so do most mafia dons in normal games...


100% Mafia
2. Midnightnick - Da Wabbit Hunters
33. cappyboy - Really Evil Inc.

I've no information on NickC at all, just would like to point that out.

[djthefunkchris]

i am fine with that.


just no one should kill me if you are lynching me the next day phase.

The one thing that I get from this is "I don't want to be completely dead yet".

What if Panix is YOUR don? What if you have two lives left (according to you). Why not have Cappy kill one of them tonight, and us lynch you tomorrow?

Or what if Panix is just a good guy, and your a bunch of bad guys all to yourself?

[djthefunkchris]

I'll be back later.

[masterded]

Panix can't be the killer. He was Last Activity: 01-18-2008 10:24 AM
The last day phase (7 not 8) ended at 01-18-2008, 09:46 PM. He wasn't on to send in a night kill.

[djthefunkchris]

Panix can't be the killer. He was Last Activity: 01-18-2008 10:24 AM
The last day phase (7 not 8) ended at 01-18-2008, 09:46 PM. He wasn't on to send in a night kill.

Funny, I was just looking at that myself. He was last talking about booze I believe.

[djthefunkchris]

Or complaining about his wife. Not sure which thread it was.

[djthefunkchris]

Nick seems to be the only person it can be...

However, it really seems luny for him to have so many character's, and be able to night kill.

[masterded]

Nick seems to be the only person it can be...

However, it really seems luny for him to have so many character's, and be able to night kill.

I agree but it looks like we all are in groups but him. Though we need one more group for 12 don't we. Man, could midnight have a night kill? I mean without one getting us killed would seem impossible almost (heck even with one it would be hard).

[djthefunkchris]

And now, the theory their undesignated leader had used for nearly every lynch, had been shot down.

I want to point out that if this is refering to me in any way shape or form... I didn't notice the "Indie" claims till recently.

In all honesty, it's the posts that have given them all away in one way or another. ShadowedFlames was the only one I couldn't get anything from post wise. I wasn't around for his lynch, I didn't vote for him, but that's not to say I wouldn't have after hearing him out either. I don't know for sure, but we didn't vote for him because we were unsure. In my opinion, he never seemed "Scummy".

I just want to make sure that the people playing realise that is not "WHY" I have found people to be scummy. We (as in just about everyone playing) already found them to be scummy, and it was just a good way to help them make mistakes while under the spotlight. "You say your an individual? How are we to believe that, that's what the other Doomsbringer claimed!" Etc.

Also.. There have been people I believed to be a "Non-Threat" that DIDN'T have the same goals as we do. He already won. I'm sure he can vouge for that, I pushed till I figured out who he was, then I left it alone.

Back on topic: I think Masterded's point about Panix not even being on in like two days, is probably the best point, and we should discuss other ways to go ASAP (before the night phase is over).

[Crychon]

Thanks Crychon, but I'm ok with it now.

I'm Inspector Gadget.

Hehe, ok, I thought you still wanted me to cover for you, I wouldn't have said I was him unless I was asked which character I was.

Now, onto what I think we should do tonight: I think we should have cappy go after NickC, he SHOULD have one life left after that if he is who he says he is, and he seems like the most viable option to be scum at this point.

I can't see anyone else who the wizard could possibly be.

[masterded]

We have 2 people who could have been the kill. NickC and Midnightnick. One we know is a rabbit hunter one says he is the TMNT and it looks like none of us have looked at them. So who do we go after.

[masterded]

Hehe, ok, I thought you still wanted me to cover for you, I wouldn't have said I was him unless I was asked which character I was.

Now, onto what I think we should do tonight: I think we should have cappy go after NickC, he SHOULD have one life left after that if he is who he says he is, and he seems like the most viable option to be scum at this point.

I can't see anyone else who the wizard could possibly be.

We have 2 people who could have been the kill. NickC and Midnightnick. One we know is a rabbit hunter one says he is the TMNT and it looks like none of us have looked at them. So who do we go after.


Forgot about the staff never mind. yeah it has to be NickC.

[djthefunkchris]

I agree but it looks like we all are in groups but him. Though we need one more group for 12 don't we. Man, could midnight have a night kill? I mean without one getting us killed would seem impossible almost (heck even with one it would be hard).

For once in this game, I'm kind of stumped on this.

The easy way to go would have Cappy kill Midnight or try to kill Nick. Nick would be my pick I think (not MidnightNick, but NickC).

I can't really say I'm feeling good with it no matter what we decide to do. Me and Crychon being bassically "Outed" kind of makes things different, and also makes me suspicious of Why we were outed, and who wanted this information perhaps pulling strings a bit.

I know you asked, but I know who you are. Perhaps someone else's post influenced you or something?

[masterded]

For once in this game, I'm kind of stumped on this.

The easy way to go would have Cappy kill Midnight or try to kill Nick. Nick would be my pick I think (not MidnightNick, but NickC).

I can't really say I'm feeling good with it no matter what we decide to do. Me and Crychon being bassically "Outed" kind of makes things different, and also makes me suspicious of Why we were outed, and who wanted this information perhaps pulling strings a bit.

I know you asked, but I know who you are. Perhaps someone else's post influenced you or something?

Nope just looking at it from a numbers game. we should have this. It is just trying to figuer out who is left. Really no matter what we do. Knowing 2 bad guys and having only 2 others who could be bad mean we should have this. Also to be fair though I 'knew" C was in your group. He was one of the people we had nothing on. So to be safe it had to come out just in case.

[djthefunkchris]

Nope just looking at it from a numbers game. we should have this. It is just trying to figuer out who is left. Really no matter what we do. Knowing 2 bad guys and having only 2 others who could be bad mean we should have this. Also to be fair though I 'knew" C was in your group. He was one of the people we had nothing on. So to be safe it had to come out just in case.

Someone had asked me the same question before though. I believe it was Bluestar.

Anyways, I hinted to other posts to be able to figure it out from, and that he would know for sure by eliminating the ones that wouldn't be with me. He got it, I guess you missed it?

Anyways, I just thought it was weird that it happened two times. Reason being....

We have the only investigative power's left. Remember us as Sith? Who did we want to get rid of? Investigator's and protector's.

We've been thinking about it, but I thought bringing it to the thread might be a good idea. More people to look at it and possibly find something we can't see or something.

Anyways, to me it has to be NickC. He's the only one not checked up on.

Panix might be a DON, but he's not the wizard or surely... It wouldn't have said I was looking at HIM, not just a hand or something else.

[masterded]

Someone had asked me the same question before though. I believe it was Bluestar.

Anyways, I hinted to other posts to be able to figure it out from, and that he would know for sure by eliminating the ones that wouldn't be with me. He got it, I guess you missed it?

Anyways, I just thought it was weird that it happened two times. Reason being....

We have the only investigative power's left. Remember us as Sith? Who did we want to get rid of? Investigator's and protector's.

We've been thinking about it, but I thought bringing it to the thread might be a good idea. More people to look at it and possibly find something we can't see or something.

Anyways, to me it has to be NickC. He's the only one not checked up on.

Panix might be a DON, but he's not the wizard or surely... It wouldn't have said I was looking at HIM, not just a hand or something else.

I asked you. I know it is bothering you and I am sorry about it, but it was me both times. Yeah it looks like it must be nickC. Though no matter what we should have this. The numbers are in are hands. Cappy hits nickC tonight we lynch him (nickC) then no matter what we have cappy hiot midnight the next night.

[djthefunkchris]

So unless someone objects.. Cappy, please kill NickC tonight!

[masterded]

I got to say dj it will be nice when this game is over to unblock you for a day or two (until the next one starts) and talk about this game.

[djthefunkchris]

I got to say dj it will be nice when this game is over to unblock you for a day or two (until the next one starts) and talk about this game.

???

[djthefunkchris]

Oh, nvm. I know what your talking about, lol.

[masterded]

???

on AIM.

[Antithesis]

NIGHT PHASE IS OVER


Write Up and PMs to follow shortly.

[Antithesis]

All throughout the convention grounds, these noises were heard...

Smash!

BAM

BOOM

BANG

Grunt

Wheeze

Hey, Who pinched my ass!?!?


When daylight arrived, everyone ran to the pizzeria where, horrified, the corpse of NickC13573 was strung up on a light pole!


NickC13573 is dead, he was The Turtles, TMNT Aligned Reptilian Quartet

[Antithesis]

It is now Day 9

You have Until 7 pm EST/ 12 PM GMT January 22nd





With 10 remaining, it is now 6 to lynch

[BlueStar]

And now....?

[BlueStar]

Cappy?

[BlueStar]

He's played his part well...but it is inevitable...

[BlueStar]

Vote: cappyboy

Sorry, don't see this any other way...

[djthefunkchris]

So no wizzy in last night's write up huh?

[Antithesis]

It is now Day 9

You have Until 7 pm EST/ 12 PM GMT January 22nd

Cappyboy 1 (Bluestar)









With 10 remaining, it is now 6 to lynch

[BlueStar]

Find out anything, DJ?

[djthefunkchris]

It is now Day 9

You have Until 7 pm EST/ 12 PM GMT January 22nd





With 10 remaining, it is now 6 to lynch

It is now Day 9

You have Until 7 pm EST/ 12 PM GMT January 22nd

Cappyboy 1 (Bluestar)









With 10 remaining, it is now 6 to lynch

It was 12 before, was it not?
Looks to me that Nick was done in by two people.

[djthefunkchris]

Find out anything, DJ?

Nothing yet.

[djthefunkchris]

Ok Panix... Forget about catching up for the moment. Give us whatever information you have, because we "Might" be in the end game, but still have two people to lynch or kill.

To catch you up, YOu come up clean in an investigation by me.

So spill the beans for the town's sake.

[djthefunkchris]

LOL


Ok.


Update:

100% Town:
3. masterded - Bugs' Best
34. Minister Whitey - Bugs' Best
22. trypio - Nicktoons
35. The Shape - The Griffins, Brian
27. BlueStar - The Griffins, Meg
31. djthefunkchris - Gadget
18. Crychon - Gadget

Uncertain:
12. NickC13573 - The Turtles
23. panix04 - Came up town to dj, but so do most mafia dons in normal games...


100% Mafia
2. Midnightnick - Da Wabbit Hunters
33. cappyboy - Really Evil Inc.

This is an accurate list, that should bring you totally up to date Panix. Please at least post saying "Hello, I'm catching up" or something.

[panix04]

I am catching up slowly, but im real busy at work!

[djthefunkchris]

It was 12 before, was it not?
Looks to me that Nick was done in by two people.

Forget this. I just realised that I didn't count ShadowedFlames in with the count (he was number 12). So it's right.

I still say two people attacked him though. Too little information in the write-up, it would make us believe that there are no evil wizzy's and only Cappy doing in NickC. This sucks to me, because I was counting on at least one clue to the wizzy. It's not in there though...

So either the Wizzy attacked the same person, or... He didn't do anything last night.

[djthefunkchris]

I am catching up slowly, but im real busy at work!

We only have one killer to catch. Cappy has been helping the town, he's from Really Evil Incorporated. He wants to help us get the game over with.

Your information could really help us right now...

Just spill who you are now. It's that far in the game, and we need to know.

Also, if you have information on anyone else that is left, please spill that as well.

Everyone knows everyone now, except who you are.

[djthefunkchris]

Also, for the record... ShadowedFlames, I got your clue, but you should realise what bothered me with it...

The guy you were talking about did allot more then Daffy's voice. Fact is, he done allot of voice's for "Bad" guys as well. Wasn't able to pinpoint you as Daffy from that clue.. Just put you in that family is all...

Heck, the guy even did Elmer Fudd a time or two.

[djthefunkchris]

I have to take off for a while.

Let's not rush the votes on anyone today. Let's get more information, now that Panix is back online.

I'm totally worried that our number's are not as good as we think they are. It's starting to become a better game for the bad guys.

Panix looks like the obvious choice, but someone else might have lied as well... Although I have no idea who at the moment... I do have a hunch though.

Be back later.

[djthefunkchris]

Oh... For the record, I'm thinking there are two people outside of Cappy and Midnight left. One DON, and one Wizzy.

[panix04]

whats a wizzy?

[Undertaker666]

Dunno, but it sounds kinky! :eek:

[Arrows]

I want to point out that if this is refering to me in any way shape or form... I didn't notice the "Indie" claims till recently.

In all honesty, it's the posts that have given them all away in one way or another. ShadowedFlames was the only one I couldn't get anything from post wise. I wasn't around for his lynch, I didn't vote for him, but that's not to say I wouldn't have after hearing him out either. I don't know for sure, but we didn't vote for him because we were unsure. In my opinion, he never seemed "Scummy".

I just want to make sure that the people playing realise that is not "WHY" I have found people to be scummy. We (as in just about everyone playing) already found them to be scummy, and it was just a good way to help them make mistakes while under the spotlight. "You say your an individual? How are we to believe that, that's what the other Doomsbringer claimed!" Etc.

Also.. There have been people I believed to be a "Non-Threat" that DIDN'T have the same goals as we do. He already won. I'm sure he can vouge for that, I pushed till I figured out who he was, then I left it alone.

Back on topic: I think Masterded's point about Panix not even being on in like two days, is probably the best point, and we should discuss other ways to go ASAP (before the night phase is over).

Was just poking at you for how many times I can remember you saying "There are no indis"

[Antithesis]

Too little information in the write-up, it would make us believe that there are no evil wizzy's and only Cappy doing in NickC. This sucks to me, because I was counting on at least one clue to the wizzy. It's not in there though...


This will be explained once the game is over.

[panix04]

OK, Ok for the record I am He-man. Individually aligned(that in itself seals my fate right? :D) master of the universe. My role is now that of a survivor. It started off that I had a one-off night kill that if could use on skeletor and win the game, which i used on Jim force. I figured that his bogus he-man claim meant that he was definetly lying about his alignment. So at very least I was taking out a "bad guy" but alas i was wrong, still a little confused as to why he escaped, wether or not that was part of his role i don't know. Thats one of the reasons my participation has been rather low, If you don't have anythin you can use, the game becomes kinda dull! I was convinced i'd get an MVP award for nailing skeletor early on though! That does suggest to me though that Skeletor is one of you guys. Although judging by the way that the are lots of you guys paired off, It makes me believe that perhaps there are two doombringers left?

[panix04]

baring in mind I havn't fully read the whole of this thing, my way of thinking is that Crychon and DJ are probably legitematly who they say they are. If penny from inspector gadget is in, then Gadget himself has to be in and no-one is counter-claiming and at this point you would.

The two "bugs boys" stories seem to be co-oborated (thats a word - right?) by the rival faction's roles, so that seems to make sense, so im 99% positive they are who they cliam to be.

That leaves Trypio, did anybody confirm his nicktoons alignment before the rest of the nicktoons died?

Plus the shape and Bluestar - I know nothing about family guy, are both these guys characters who are likely to be in? Or is there a chance these are false claims?

The only other alternate is that eith Cappy or midnightmick are lying about there roles, but seeing as they are both claiming mafia that seems unlikely!

Sorry if I have missed anything any info about the people i suspect that I have missed i will gladly take on-board, but for now.

Vote: Trypio

[djthefunkchris]

OK, Ok for the record I am He-man. Individually aligned(that in itself seals my fate right? :D) master of the universe. My role is now that of a survivor. It started off that I had a one-off night kill that if could use on skeletor and win the game, which i used on Jim force. I figured that his bogus he-man claim meant that he was definetly lying about his alignment. So at very least I was taking out a "bad guy" but alas i was wrong, still a little confused as to why he escaped, wether or not that was part of his role i don't know. Thats one of the reasons my participation has been rather low, If you don't have anythin you can use, the game becomes kinda dull! I was convinced i'd get an MVP award for nailing skeletor early on though! That does suggest to me though that Skeletor is one of you guys. Although judging by the way that the are lots of you guys paired off, It makes me believe that perhaps there are two doombringers left?

Just would like to point out that.... Skeletor is who we thought that was that scared off Jim Force... NOT HE-MAN.

Just thought you would like to know that.

Vote: Panix

Sorry, I need more history. What else did you do, tell us all your nightly activities. Without that well.... Your the wizzy it looks like.

Just thought I would let you know.

The ONLY thing bothering me, is that it appears you DID NOT go out the night Skeletor was active (Skeletor = Wizzy).

So.... hmm.

http://www.krosis.com/imgs/art/full/skeletor.jpg

That a DON?

[djthefunkchris]

However, he had made some mistakes during the day, and when he saw who was waiting outside his Complimentary Delegation Hut, he was filled with dread, but was hopeful this figure outside was just here to talk... Rather than find out, he ran from the Convention, and kept going. He wouldn't be back...
This signifies that the thought you might be willing to talk. He decided to leave, never to return though, so you scared him off.

I haven't thought that was He-Man yet... Just wondering what other's think when reading this.

[Midnightnick]

Vote: Panix

I don't believe the He-Man claim.

[The Shape]

Vote: Panix

Seems like the best bet by a long way, not convinced by the claim, also like how he pleads ignorance and suddenly questions whether or not Nicktoons and Family Guy are really in when several of each has died already...not entirely sure but just doesn't seem right y'know.

[djthefunkchris]

For far too long he had sat on his immaculately carved throne and bided his time. The years had passed on, and before he knew it, he was forgotten, relegated to the dustbin of history! Why, even when he tried to get into this convention, a guard had the nerve to ask him for I.D. HIM?!?! I.D!?!?! Didn’t anyone know that evil sorcerers don’t carry wallets?
He cackled at the memory and stood. He employed the mystic power in his staff and opened a portal to take him to the next victim. By the end of the day, that poor girl would know his name!

What bother's me about this is this was the night that I investigated Panix. Why is this thing about the "I.D." in here? There has to be a connection possibly... I don't know.

I would like other's thoughts on this.

[djthefunkchris]

Vote: Panix

Seems like the best bet by a long way, not convinced by the claim, also like how he pleads ignorance and suddenly questions whether or not Nicktoons and Family Guy are really in when several of each has died already...not entirely sure but just doesn't seem right y'know.

Well... I kind of put in a post above, about suspecting some people that we have thought to be friends. Was kind of a "Bait" thing, and it seems like he took it.

I wish I would have been around when he was on so I could have got more of his thoughts on that.

[djthefunkchris]

Ok, I'm going to be doing some other things for a while.

I would like thoughts of this, and how he managed to "Appear" to stay in sight the whole night when he was out trying to kill Bluestar.

Possibly some power he has or something? Any thoughts would be great on this. I don't know the character, outside of I've always thought Skeletor was the Wizzy, and I was looking for someone to boldly state that Skeletor had to be in this (since we haven't seen a He-Man yet). The write-ups fit his power's from what I understand... The porting and all.

[djthefunkchris]

Ok, I'm going to be doing some other things for a while.

I would like thoughts of this, and how he managed to "Appear" to stay in sight the whole night when he was out trying to kill Bluestar.

Possibly some power he has or something? Any thoughts would be great on this. I don't know the character, outside of I've always thought Skeletor was the Wizzy, and I was looking for someone to boldly state that Skeletor had to be in this (since we haven't seen a He-Man yet). The write-ups fit his power's from what I understand... The porting and all.

Everything tells me that Panix "Thought" Jim Force was He-Man. And indeed was the guy to scare him off day one.

[The Shape]

I have an idea.

You know when you watched him and he didn't leave his house - could that be because the portal was inside his house, so you never saw him leave?

[Midnightnick]

I have an idea.

You know when you watched him and he didn't leave his house - could that be because the portal was inside his house, so you never saw him leave?

That makes sense Shape.

[Minister Whitey]

I don't buy that Panix doesn't think Trypio is a NickToon. At all.

String him up!

Vote: Panix04

[Arrows]

It is now Day 9

You have Until 7 pm EST/ 12 PM GMT January 22nd

Cappyboy: 1 (Bluestar)

Trypio: 1 (Panix04)

Panix: 4 (djthefunkchris, Midnightnick, The Shape, Minister Whitey)

With 10 remaining, it is now 6 to lynch.

[djthefunkchris]

I have an idea.

You know when you watched him and he didn't leave his house - could that be because the portal was inside his house, so you never saw him leave?

This is the problem with that....

I watched him all night. HIM, not an arm, etc. I asked to make sure.

That's the only weird thing there. Could he make a duplicate of himself, and make me think I was seeing him or something?

Possible Mod Error? :eek: (Just kidding).

Just saying it was not his "Hut", that it was "HIM" and all of him at that.

[djthefunkchris]

Thinking of Doctor Claw, is why I asked if it was just the hand or something.

[The Shape]

Yes DJ, but maybe his portal ability means that if he's watched he doesn't appear to go anywhere. Then there's the possibility of him being the don and as such not appearing a threat. We need this lynch.

[djthefunkchris]

Yes DJ, but maybe his portal ability means that if he's watched he doesn't appear to go anywhere. Then there's the possibility of him being the don and as such not appearing a threat. We need this lynch.

Yeah, that's what I am thinking.

I put my vote on him because I really think he is Skeletor.

[BlueStar]

Change vote: Panix04

I'd actually believe his claim, but his vote on trypio, who claimed after Arrows was killed, was a bit too much. Why would He-Man be a survivor-type? Makes no sensse.

[BlueStar]

There's only one thing nagging me...which is..."What if the first note I took during this whole game, is wrong..."

[Arrows]

It is now Day 9

You have Until 7 pm EST/ 12 PM GMT January 22nd

Trypio: 1 (Panix04)

Panix: 5 (djthefunkchris, Midnightnick, The Shape, Minister Whitey, Bluestar)

With 10 remaining, it is now 6 to lynch.

[BlueStar]

Here's another idea before the hammer is put in...

We lynch cappy...if Panix is the Don he's the last henchman, we investigate Panix...should make things clear. If he's the don, he'll turn up Mafia. Lynch on panix, and then we take care of the rest. Convention wins.

[The Shape]

Seems quicker to lynch Panix (as investigating him seems useless) then have cappy kill Midnight then lynch cappy.

[BlueStar]

If Cappy is still playing ball...this just could be one big setup still.

[masterded]

Seems quicker to lynch Panix (as investigating him seems useless) then have cappy kill Midnight then lynch cappy.

I afree so Vote: Panix04

[BlueStar]

Since the MOD are online, there should be a write-up...something's bothering me...a lot....

[Arrows]

lynch Has Been Achieved.

[mjdgoldeneye]

LYNCHED!

Calm down, ya paranoid crazies! :rolleyes:

[mjdgoldeneye]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2024/cctm9.jpg

*****

Once again, the remaining 'toons gathered around and made a decision.

"Hey, guys! Might as well say this now... I'm an individually aligned survivor, an..."

"GET 'EM!"

Their "If he claims to be alone, he must be EVIL" strategy worked again, for the 36th time, to be exact...

Panix04 is dead. He was Skeletor, Doombringers aligned Skull Faced Scourge of the 80’s

[BlueStar]

YES!!! Big sigh of relief!!!!!

[masterded]

So cappy targets midnigh right?

[BlueStar]

**Pounds fake boobs***

D*mn you, panix, for trying to night-kill me because I disagreed with your taste in beer!

[BlueStar]

So cappy targets midnigh right?


~Nods~

[mjdgoldeneye]

Oh... yea...

Night Phase!

It'll end at 3PM on January 22.

[Midnightnick]

Well, since I'll be dead by morning.

I want to say, this has been a great game. And I'm glad I made it to the final night round. And I held true to my promise, I voted where the town needed. So I accept my death with wide open arms. One question.

Who was Bugs? You masterded?

[BlueStar]

Like I said during Star Wars...

It ain't over till some big woman starts singing away some tunes...

[djthefunkchris]

Oh... yea...

Night Phase!

It'll end at 3PM on January 21.

Just thought you would like to know that time period is over now. Could we please get the write upf or the night phase now?

[djthefunkchris]

Just would like to point out that.... Skeletor is who we thought that was that scared off Jim Force... NOT HE-MAN.

Just thought you would like to know that.

Vote: Panix

Sorry, I need more history. What else did you do, tell us all your nightly activities. Without that well.... Your the wizzy it looks like.

Just thought I would let you know.

The ONLY thing bothering me, is that it appears you DID NOT go out the night Skeletor was active (Skeletor = Wizzy).

So.... hmm.

http://www.krosis.com/imgs/art/full/skeletor.jpg

That a DON?

By the way Panix, I was thinking of your WMMA game... I think you need to put him in there, if nothing else, as a user character. Was the best Pic I could find of him.

[trypio]

baring in mind I havn't fully read the whole of this thing, my way of thinking is that Crychon and DJ are probably legitematly who they say they are. If penny from inspector gadget is in, then Gadget himself has to be in and no-one is counter-claiming and at this point you would.

The two "bugs boys" stories seem to be co-oborated (thats a word - right?) by the rival faction's roles, so that seems to make sense, so im 99% positive they are who they cliam to be.

That leaves Trypio, did anybody confirm his nicktoons alignment before the rest of the nicktoons died?

Plus the shape and Bluestar - I know nothing about family guy, are both these guys characters who are likely to be in? Or is there a chance these are false claims?

The only other alternate is that eith Cappy or midnightmick are lying about there roles, but seeing as they are both claiming mafia that seems unlikely!

Sorry if I have missed anything any info about the people i suspect that I have missed i will gladly take on-board, but for now.

Vote: Trypio

LOL!


Good job guys, looks like we got this one wrapped up. Cappy kills Nick tonight. We lynch Cappy, right?

[djthefunkchris]

LOL!


Good job guys, looks like we got this one wrapped up. Cappy kills Nick tonight. We lynch Cappy, right?

/nod.

If Cappy sends in his PM to do so, and no one objects, I would like to end this ASAP. I know there is a bunch of questions, and the Mods should have allot of fun answering them. Just saying, if this is truly "Game", perhaps Cappy and MidnightNick could just give themselves in like Masterded did in SW? If so, we can get on with the Q&A!!

If it's ok with the Mods of course:)

[djthefunkchris]

I just don't know what to say about Nick though. He just looks so scummy all the time, no matter what he does... LOL.

[Midnightnick]

I just don't know what to say about Nick though. He just looks so scummy all the time, no matter what he does... LOL.

I look Scummy all the time?

And I'll turn myself in if I can.

[masterded]

for the last time midnight, Beep Beep.

[Midnightnick]

for the last time midnight, Beep Beep.

That settles that then.

[mjdgoldeneye]

/nod.

If Cappy sends in his PM to do so, and no one objects, I would like to end this ASAP. I know there is a bunch of questions, and the Mods should have allot of fun answering them. Just saying, if this is truly "Game", perhaps Cappy and MidnightNick could just give themselves in like Masterded did in SW? If so, we can get on with the Q&A!!

If it's ok with the Mods of course:)

You love assuming things... :rolleyes:

There's some minor technicalities that need to be sorted out in-game first before it can simply be ended. Let whoever needs to send in a kill send it in... (Just as easy as saying "I quit!" anyway...)

[Arrows]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2024/cctm9.jpg

Why must he always face such tough obstacles? Seems ever since he swore to aid the town, his job has become harder. First it was that freak serial killer, Sideshow Bob. Then it was the Cobra Commander! Don't these toons know snakes eat rats? Oh well. Tonight would be his last job.

He and Elmer Fudd were all that remained in the way of the convention's safety, and both of them had agreed to work with them to help end this war. Tonight there wouldn't have to be anything major. No brilliant plots, no beautifully built weapons of death. Luckily tonight he wasn't going to have to square off with Skeletor. That could've been ugly.

Brain found his way to Fudd by the fountain, and the two simply stared at each other.

Just so happens, Fudd had his gun with him. That would come in good use. Brain nodded. Fudd nodded. Fudd held out the shotgun, but Brain knocked it around so it was aimed at Elmer.

"Fudd season."

BANG.

MidnightNick is dead. He was Elmer Fudd, Da Wabbit Hunters aligned Looney Antagonist.

[Arrows]

Day Phase has begun.

Deadline is 6PM EST/11 PM GMT January 23rd.

With 8 players remaining, it takes 5 to lynch.

[The Shape]

Vote: cappyboy

Good game guys, glad I've lasted this long on my first game round these parts :D

[Midnightnick]

I died quite spiffily.

I'll see ya'll next Mafia game.

[Crychon]

Wow, some awesome turns of events there!

Looks like this game is almost over.

Vote: cappyboy

[Crychon]

Also, though I'm voting to lynch him, and the other one is dead, just wanted to say thanks to Cappy and Midnightnick for helping out the town though it wasn't in their best interest!

[NickC13573]

VOTE:Cappyboy

[Crychon]

VOTE:Cappyboy

Hate to tell you this, Nick, but you're dead.

[mjdgoldeneye]

**Face Palm**

Busy or not, if you can't tell who's alive and who's dead consistently... Don't bother... Really... :rolleyes:

(Just kidding, but come on, Nick... Come on... :D )

Vote: Mr. T

That's better!

[djthefunkchris]

**Face Palm**

Busy or not, if you can't tell who's alive and who's dead consistently... Don't bother... Really... :rolleyes:

(Just kidding, but come on, Nick... Come on... :D )

Vote: Mr. T

That's better!

LMAO!!

Vote: Cappyboy

In my eyes, Cappyboy and MidnightNick won. You guys had a choice, help us or get lynched, and instead of being sore sports, you decided to work with us. I'm very happy how this has turned out.

[Crychon]

**Face Palm**

Busy or not, if you can't tell who's alive and who's dead consistently... Don't bother... Really... :rolleyes:

(Just kidding, but come on, Nick... Come on... :D )

Vote: Mr. T

That's better!

Well, at least he played the same in death as he did in life.

[djthefunkchris]

I'll be back for the epilogue, hopefully before the HD RAW show tonight.

Till then, I'll be in SSRA (Everquest), lol.

[trypio]

VOTE:Cappyboy

LMAO! :D:D

vote: cappyboy

[Minister Whitey]

In case it's needed {b}Vote: Cappyboy[/B]

Great game everyone!

I'm just glad I managed to kill one evil person with my PGO-ness!

[Minister Whitey]

Bah Vote: Cappyboy

[mjdgoldeneye]

K, cappy is dead... epilogue not coming yet... REALLY busy...

[Arrows]

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/2024/cctm9.jpg

Such a quick one. To say the least, they knew it was over. They had played a nearly flawless game, with only one exception. Now the remaining stood by the tower where it all began, and all eyes were on the last member of Really Evil Inc, The Brain.

With a smile on his face and a stack of phone books under his feet, he shook hands with those he opposed, one by one. He had done his part, just like he said he would, and now it was time for his reward.

With respects shown and out of the way, he dropped from his phone book tower and simply walked off.

Cappyboy has fled. He was The Brain, Really Evil Inc. aligned Deep Voiced Lab Mouse.

There really was no use killing him, he'd proven he was no threat.

[Arrows]

MJD will post the fancy stuff later. Everyone can ask whatever questions they have, and I'll do my best to answer them at this time.

Vote: TheDemonSeed for MVP. The guy had this game pegged from the very first night phase on. He even pegged Burns very quickly, and managed to pull off a beautiful townie lie to get him hung. He was right in everything I can recall him saying, and had you guys listened to him from the beginning, a lot of things would've been clear a lot quicker.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Game is Over!

Fancy Epilogue will eventually be posted, but before that, post game chat is now open! Feel free to ask whatever you want...!

[Antithesis]

MJD will post the fancy stuff later. Everyone can ask whatever questions they have, and I'll do my best to answer them at this time.

Vote: TheDemonSeed for MVP. The guy had this game pegged from the very first night phase on. He even pegged Burns very quickly, and managed to pull off a beautiful townie lie to get him hung. He was right in everything I can recall him saying, and had you guys listened to him from the beginning, a lot of things would've been clear a lot quicker.

hehe, wanna tell them the really funny part?

[Arrows]

hehe, wanna tell them the really funny part?

Which part would that be? A lot of hilarious parts to this.

[Crychon]

Well, now that the games over, it's time for the big reveal:

Masterded, djfunkthechris, trypio, and myself were really the Sith all along! Mwa ha ha ha! We got our revenge!

[Arrows]

Well, now that the games over, it's time for the big reveal:

Masterded, djfunkthechris, trypio, and myself were really the Sith all along! Mwa ha ha ha! We got our revenge!

You guys are amazingly lucky.

RDS was going to take out the Sith, one by one. MDed was first. DJ was night 2. You were going to be night 3, and Trypio night 4. Just to get even. Then she got caught:(

[Crychon]

Now that that's over with, good game everyone! It was definitely an interesting one to say the least, and it had me guessing until the end.

[Crychon]

You guys are amazingly lucky.

RDS was going to take out the Sith, one by one. MDed was first. DJ was night 2. You were going to be night 3, and Trypio night 4. Just to get even. Then she got caught:(

Hehe oh man, glad she ended up getting caught then!

[Arrows]

I *think* you were the only one that would DIE from it. Being the only human in that group.

[Crychon]

Wait, so I actually WAS targeted once?

[Arrows]

Nah. Never got to you. She only got off 2 shots.:(

[Crychon]

Ah, ok, hehe, so it was chris who was getting the protection the whole time.

[Crychon]

I think I still would've been hidden if she targeted me night 3 thought.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Vote: TheDemonSeed for MVP. The guy had this game pegged from the very first night phase on. He even pegged Burns very quickly, and managed to pull off a beautiful townie lie to get him hung. He was right in everything I can recall him saying, and had you guys listened to him from the beginning, a lot of things would've been clear a lot quicker.

As I said to Arrows, he was good, but Moe was better. Moe added to every conversation, and helped players avoid logical fallacies. Plus, he's the one who survived, even though it was pretty obvious who he was...

I'd say Moe was a possible MVP, along with both remaining gadgets, and trypio, and The Shape. Good games from all of them!

DJ gets the Arrows Memorial Trophy from flawlessly getting from A to B without any viable logic, reasoning, or proof. I spent most of the game saying "WTF is he talking about?", yet he managed to win and avoid about 50 night kills...

Every bad guy gets the Lemming Award... How many times did you think claiming an indy would save you? :rolleyes:

I'll make up more trophies and awards later, still busy busy busy! :D

[Arrows]

..yea.

DJ. Get this. You know that ability you kept stealing?

Trypio only had 2 uses of it. How confused do you think he was after like..the fourth time it happened?

[Crychon]

..yea.

DJ. Get this. You know that ability you kept stealing?

Trypio only had 2 uses of it. How confused do you think he was after like..the fourth time it happened?

lol That's awesome

[mjdgoldeneye]

Ah, ok, hehe, so it was chris who was getting the protection the whole time.

Someone attacked you once... Don't remember who though...

[Arrows]

Did they? Must've been before I was really snooping around.

[Crychon]

Someone attacked you once... Don't remember who though...

Ah, good, thought he was hogging up ALL the attacks.

[supermareo]

i cant help but feel that this game was more a case of the bad guys tripping over there own feet than the good guys really grabbing the game by the balls so to speak, props to TDS though on that ballsy burns move

[Arrows]

The fact that TDS had absolutely zero proof, and just threw the brick at the window and managed to get it to stick was beautiful.

[trypio]

..yea.

DJ. Get this. You know that ability you kept stealing?

Trypio only had 2 uses of it. How confused do you think he was after like..the fourth time it happened?
I was at first, but then mjd sent me a PM that I still had one use left of my ability after it happened the second time, so I figured someone else had the same ability that I had. Didn't know he stole it though. :p Ah well, I stole his roleclaim last game, guess we're even now.


i cant help but feel that this game was more a case of the bad guys tripping over there own feet than the good guys really grabbing the game by the balls so to speak, props to TDS though on that ballsy burns move

Yea, the bad guys pretty much turned themselves in the whole game. Lostrelms f'd up day 1, Cappy turned himself in when he still had a chance to win, Nick and Jamck the same...

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yea, TDS's whole basis of thought was that Jim made a joke about his "sister"...

[trypio]

BTW, could I get activation on the graveyard forum, I'd like to see the behind the scenes stuff.

[Arrows]

Yea, TDS's whole basis of thought was that Jim made a joke about his "sister"...

He was right, and that's all that matters.

[supermareo]

I was at first, but then mjd sent me a PM that I still had one use left of my ability after it happened the second time, so I figured someone else had the same ability that I had. Didn't know he stole it though. :p Ah well, I stole his roleclaim last game, guess we're even now.




Yea, the bad guys pretty much turned themselves in the whole game. Lostrelms f'd up day 1, Cappy turned himself in when he still had a chance to win, Nick and Jamck the same...

yeah that reminds me iv got a bone to pick with our mod mj about this i mean its all well and good giving bugs pgo status but you could of at least hinted in midnighnicks pm that he was immune somehow that way nick wouldnt have given himself up when he did

[Midnightnick]

I had more luck revealing I was scum on the 3rd day then I had if I hadn't said anything.

Also. Told you I couldn't kill.

[cappyboy]

Yea, the bad guys pretty much turned themselves in the whole game. Lostrelms f'd up day 1, Cappy turned himself in when he still had a chance to win, Nick and Jamck the same...

Can't speak for Midnight and Jamck but for my part I'd lost interest in winning. I don't know what the rules say. But for my money just the fact the game's now over makes me a winner. I've won my life back from this game.

[Antithesis]

Well since we can talk, a few things I want to clear up.

The Wizard was Skeletor, I think some of you knew this and just called him Wizard, but if you go to the write ups, the clues are there. "Dermatological issue" "mystic staff" etc was my way of saying Skeletor without just outright saying Skeletor.

Daffy was the third killer. Since he was an individual, I think all the mods felt less inclined to hint about his character, since he was, basically, on his own. His kills were not mandatory, though he was required to kill within a certain time frame, but it wasn't every night.

The Pm to Crychon, and the business about the arm, and etc and about Panix being watched. Short Story, Skeletor cast a mirror image spell, then walked off to the side and summoned a portal. Long story, I apologize if my PM was worded in a way that people thought I was giving away too much info, or the wrong info. Crychon's role was an investigator that could find threats to the town. Skeletor was a Don who would come up non threat. His investigation was as simple, and as complicated, as that.

The NickC death.

NickC's ability is as it was mentioned in the thread.. he played 4 characters in one.. he had 4 votes and 4 lives, each time he was attacked he lost a life and a vote. He died when Cappy and Panix attacked him on the same night with NickC only having 2 lives remaining.
As a Co Mod, MJ had instructed ARrows and I prior to this to not go into details about NickC being attacked. I can list the prior 2 attacks to show you where it mentions someone being killed but there is one less bosy in the write up.

You'd have to ask MJ why it wasn't supposed to be mentioned, but I assume its because to do so might possibly expose NickC's ability. That is just my gues though.

Either way, as I was instructed to not be detailed in regards to NickC, but yet having 2 attacks at once killing him (and thus I have to produce his body in a write up somehow) I wrote it the way I did to keep all sides happy.

I considered just implicating one killer, but then i would have to decide who to show? If I just picked who I wanted that would be unfair. I guess maybe i could have flipped a coin, but if Cappy lost then that would seem like even more favortism. If Panix lost, who knows, maybe he'd accuse me of singling him out since it was Panix that killed me night 5. :)

Not saying he would, but I figure I would just avoid all the drama and I wrote it the way I did basically to show NickC was dead.
For all you bad guys out there.. DJ is in the Gadget group and was orginally protected by ya_its_me... and yes I am with you, it must be some damn good protection to ward off three killers. :)

Anyway, after ya_its_me died, DJ began 'borrowing' Trypio's ability, which is a form of protection that causes an attacker to target someone else at random. The night phase everyone freaked out and MJ delayed the write up was, I believe, the night people attacked DJ and went off targeting others, one of whom was Trypio, his attacker then went off and targeted someone else and it just became a huge mess. I think it is partly the reason why MJ was taking so long to write it up.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Nick could have easily targeted Bugs, as could the rest of his group, and not die.

I figured it was understood I wouldn't give out completely broken roles... If not, at least he could have asked...

[Midnightnick]

Can't speak for Midnight and Jamck but for my part I'd lost interest in winning. I don't know what the rules say. But for my money just the fact the game's now over makes me a winner. I've won my life back from this game.

I did too. I realized Bugs was a PGO and I couldn't get him lynched. So pretty much, I had no chance.

Jamck did nothing all game and was a waste. No one in my group talked which lead to Aussie's lynch and blew our chances.

[Antithesis]

You guys are amazingly lucky.

RDS was going to take out the Sith, one by one. MDed was first. DJ was night 2. You were going to be night 3, and Trypio night 4. Just to get even. Then she got caught:(

Yes, working with RD as an irken invader, she is very good at this game.. just unfortunately she didn't have a chance to shine this go-around. But, I imagine her turn is coming soon.

[Antithesis]

BTW nice picture of Skeletor. He even has the Ram's Head staff I recalled from childhood and hinted at in the write ups.

[mjdgoldeneye]

The NickC death.

NickC's ability is as it was mentioned in the thread.. he played 4 characters in one.. he had 4 votes and 4 lives, each time he was attacked he lost a life and a vote. He died when Cappy and Panix attacked him on the same night with NickC only having 2 lives remaining.
As a Co Mod, MJ had instructed ARrows and I prior to this to not go into details about NickC being attacked. I can list the prior 2 attacks to show you where it mentions someone being killed but there is one less bosy in the write up.

You'd have to ask MJ why it wasn't supposed to be mentioned, but I assume its because to do so might possibly expose NickC's ability. That is just my gues though.

Either way, as I was instructed to not be detailed in regards to NickC, but yet having 2 attacks at once killing him (and thus I have to produce his body in a write up somehow) I wrote it the way I did to keep all sides happy.

I meant don't go and say " a ninja turtle died... ick has 1 less life... Get 'em!".

I had, and expected others to, post something along the lines of "1 down, 3 to go", followed by "2 down, 2 left", etc...

Anyway, after ya_its_me died, DJ began 'borrowing' Trypio's ability, which is a form of protection that causes an attacker to target someone else at random. The night phase everyone freaked out and MJ delayed the write up was, I believe, the night people attacked DJ and went off targeting others, one of whom was Trypio, his attacker then went off and targeted someone else and it just became a huge mess. I think it is partly the reason why MJ was taking so long to write it up.

It took so long because I wasn't working on it, I was busy with homework. I hadn't even looked at any PM's yet, I was doing work! It only took a few minutes to sort through...

[Antithesis]

I had, and expected others to, post something along the lines of "1 down, 3 to go", followed by "2 down, 2 left", etc...


I honestly don't recall seeing anything like that in the write up where Nick lost his first life, one that you wrote. But I could be mistaken.

[supermareo]

Well since we can talk, a few things I want to clear up.

The Wizard was Skeletor, I think some of you knew this and just called him Wizard, but if you go to the write ups, the clues are there. "Dermatological issue" "mystic staff" etc was my way of saying Skeletor without just outright saying Skeletor.

Daffy was the third killer. Since he was an individual, I think all the mods felt less inclined to hint about his character, since he was, basically, on his own. His kills were not mandatory, though he was required to kill within a certain time frame, but it wasn't every night.

The Pm to Crychon, and the business about the arm, and etc and about Panix being watched. Short Story, Skeletor cast a mirror image spell, then walked off to the side and summoned a portal. Long story, I apologize if my PM was worded in a way that people thought I was giving away too much info, or the wrong info. Crychon's role was an investigator that could find threats to the town. Skeletor was a Don who would come up non threat. His investigation was as simple, and as complicated, as that.

The NickC death.

NickC's ability is as it was mentioned in the thread.. he played 4 characters in one.. he had 4 votes and 4 lives, each time he was attacked he lost a life and a vote. He died when Cappy and Panix attacked him on the same night with NickC only having 2 lives remaining.
As a Co Mod, MJ had instructed ARrows and I prior to this to not go into details about NickC being attacked. I can list the prior 2 attacks to show you where it mentions someone being killed but there is one less bosy in the write up.

You'd have to ask MJ why it wasn't supposed to be mentioned, but I assume its because to do so might possibly expose NickC's ability. That is just my gues though.

Either way, as I was instructed to not be detailed in regards to NickC, but yet having 2 attacks at once killing him (and thus I have to produce his body in a write up somehow) I wrote it the way I did to keep all sides happy.

I considered just implicating one killer, but then i would have to decide who to show? If I just picked who I wanted that would be unfair. I guess maybe i could have flipped a coin, but if Cappy lost then that would seem like even more favortism. If Panix lost, who knows, maybe he'd accuse me of singling him out since it was Panix that killed me night 5. :)

Not saying he would, but I figure I would just avoid all the drama and I wrote it the way I did basically to show NickC was dead.
For all you bad guys out there.. DJ is in the Gadget group and was orginally protected by ya_its_me... and yes I am with you, it must be some damn good protection to ward off three killers. :)

Anyway, after ya_its_me died, DJ began 'borrowing' Trypio's ability, which is a form of protection that causes an attacker to target someone else at random. The night phase everyone freaked out and MJ delayed the write up was, I believe, the night people attacked DJ and went off targeting others, one of whom was Trypio, his attacker then went off and targeted someone else and it just became a huge mess. I think it is partly the reason why MJ was taking so long to write it up.

just have to add an aside to that last bit, if i hadnt used my protection shot up the night before its more than likely i would of used it this night on wallbanger instead, now how much more complex would that of been with the killer of wallbanger stopped after his second retarget then me being killed by panix:D

[mjdgoldeneye]

I honestly don't recall seeing anything like that in the write up where Nick lost his first life, one that you wrote. But I could be mistaken.

I said a killer succeeded in his goal and "one down, three to go".

I figured you had seen it, and knew what I meant... My bad... :o

[Crychon]

I'd also like activation to the graveyard forum, I'm curious, heh

[Arrows]

Yea. I decided to stay AWAY from the "2 down, 2 to go" line during the second kill, because I felt that would just confirm things for them. Leaving it at just a death at least left questions.

[Crychon]

Oh, by the way Anti, the entire point of my PM back to you was to make sure I wasn't watching a fake Dr. Claw arm the whole night, hehe

[Antithesis]

Oh, by the way Anti, the entire point of my PM back to you was to make sure I wasn't watching a fake Dr. Claw arm the whole night, hehe

I couldn't figure out that arm business at all. on the private board Imarev pointed out the Dr. Claw connection, whereupon i realized you were trying to be sneaky,but it was fine with me, if Dr. Claw was in the game and was a Don, I'd have wrote it the same way anyway. he would of just had an imposter standing there to fool ya. :)

Next time though I'll do like MJ said and just reply with either threat or non threat and save the colorful stuff for the write ups.

[Crychon]

I couldn't figure out that arm business at all. on the private board Imarev pointed out the Dr. Claw connection, whereupon i realized you were trying to be sneaky,but it was fine with me, if Dr. Claw was in the game and was a Don, I'd have wrote it the same way anyway. he would of just had an imposter standing there to fool ya. :)

Next time though I'll do like MJ said and just reply with either threat or non threat and save the colorful stuff for the write ups.

Hehe that's probably for the best, but I figured it was worth a shot, as you gave more detail then usual.

[Ghetto Anthony]

Good game. I don't think I ever lied in this game. If you thought I was purposely staying out of the conversation you're wrong. I just lost my drive to try to keep up after I realized I was nearly 100 pages behind. I'm sure I would have lasted longer had I kept up. In the Rocky and Bullwinkle game, regardless of my role, I'm going to attempt to be as active as possible.

[Imarevenant]

Good Game everyone. Nice to see another "town" win.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd like to back up what I said about games with lots of players in the mod waiting list thread. The more players you have, the longer the game, and the more likely for players to "burn out" on it before it's over.

I still say the ideal # is 32. Keep this in mind, future mods! (Unless you feel more players "fits better"...)

[Derek B]

w00t! I totally won posthumously again!! I won every game... but only been alive at the end of one!! And never been lynched yet either!!

I agree with someone else... I think this game was won more by bad guys giving themselves up for lynching than by good guys putting in an awesome performance. Not that they didn't have a great game, but almost every lynch was given away for free...

Not enough ruthless play here, that's what cost the bad guys. That and claiming to be indi... I certainly think this will go down as one of the most bizarre games ever.

Oh... and I had NickC pegged for his role on Day 1. Only thing I wasn't sure about was if he had lifes. :)

All in all, that was fun. I only wish I'd had a cool role like Skeletor... or The Brain... or Mr Burns... or any of Really Evil Inc really. I mean, they were my favourite group for sure purely based on the characters they had. Awesomio! :D

[Midnightnick]

w00t! I totally won posthumously again!! I won every game... but only been alive at the end of one!! And never been lynched yet either!!

I agree with someone else... I think this game was won more by bad guys giving themselves up for lynching than by good guys putting in an awesome performance. Not that they didn't have a great game, but almost every lynch was given away for free...

Not enough ruthless play here, that's what cost the bad guys. That and claiming to be indi... I certainly think this will go down as one of the most bizarre games ever.

Oh... and I had NickC pegged for his role on Day 1. Only thing I wasn't sure about was if he had lifes. :)

All in all, that was fun. I only wish I'd had a cool role like Skeletor... or The Brain... or Mr Burns... or any of Really Evil Inc really. I mean, they were my favourite group for sure purely based on the characters they had. Awesomio! :D

Derek, you were the catalyst of the town winning. If Lost never voted for you, he wouldn't have slipped which would've lead to a townie lynch most likely.

[BIGJOSH]

Nice to get a win...even if I was killed at night. Who did that anyways?

[Arrows]

That would be Shadowed/Daffy.

[gonvick]

Every bad guy gets the Lemming Award... How many times did you think claiming an indy would save you? :rolleyes:

Hey now, I didn't claim to be an indi.:confused:

Although, it was the only real option in the later part of the game once everyone knew how many groups there were. But since there hadn't been any individual good guys revealed, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.

[BlueStar]

Second surviving win in a row...woot!

Thanks to my one shot bulletproof-ness of the fake boobies.

Shape, Mareo & I started off as Vanille Griffins looking for our parents. We caught Wallbanger's hint the second day. Then we all got one shot abilities...

I'm on a winning streak...I'm sure R&B Mafia will break that one...

[theoutlaw321]

Everyone that has signed up has been authorized! You won't get notification. Just go sign in and you should be good to go.

[panix04]

So Close! Stupid rubbish role claim. I should have kept my mouth shut. Ah well, well done guys. It would appear my new tactic proved far more viable then my talkative approach, shame really that active participation tends to cost you your life.

[Clarity]

Man that game felt like it went on forever..

I think my lying skills are getting so much better... I had set up a perfect claim in Star Wars mafia (which was totally lost on you guys) and you almost all thought i was slimer...

[BlueStar]

We investigated you so we knew you were Stewie. But it was a funny role-claim, I'll give you that.

[BlueStar]

With my perfect 2008 record, I should quit now.... :D

[theoutlaw321]

With my perfect 2008 record, I should quit now.... :D

And what fun would that be? lol

[James Casey]

The problem with this game (as a Mafia guy) is the concept of warring families - there's always someone around to shoot you down unless you know for a fact that all other members of the group.

This is what undoubtedly led to the indy claims - and there were two or three indies out there, so it wasn't implausible, despite what others claimed. The town made some lucky guesses, and the Doombringers in particular were nobbled from day one, losing Shredder and Megatron before we'd all even logged on.

The way the game played out, any kind of risk backfired - with the possible exception of TDS' play at guessing Burns.

I'm not having a go - I enjoyed the game, but with everyone able to communicate with everyone else in their group (I believe) it made shooting down false claims too easy. That's not having a pop at anyone - it's a part of the game mechanics that could be exploited in any number of ways. This time out, the town took advantage of it, and played well and with an element of luck.

Still, we live and learn, right? :D

Still, if I ever mod a game, I suspect that open co-operation by the Mafia with the town will result in a Modly backfiring :p

[James Casey]

The problem with this game (as a Mafia guy) is the concept of warring families - there's always someone around to shoot you down unless you know for a fact that all other members of the group are dead.

...

[ShadowedFlames]

Nice to get a win...even if I was killed at night. Who did that anyways?

It wasn't by choice, Josh...I was going for DJ. :D

[djthefunkchris]

And on James Casey's point, I will finally say something.

That is exactly what I looked for everytime. I was looking for someone to be "Claimed" if they seemed townie (BigJosh for example), and looking for someone to not get "Claimed" if they were not.

When you see a vote from each individual group go on someone, he's probably NOT in their group. Sure, there might be a couple INDIVIDUAL's, but even on that note, which of them would NOT be a threat?

That was the entire method used for this game. The "You claimed Indie!" thing as well as "You don't know the Goal of the Town!" thing, was just something to push for a slip up.

Also, Antithesis was correct in that there were a few (not a TON) people on day one that seemed really confused. Those were put in suspicion right off the bat as well. Moe for example. I never voted for him, but I was suspicious for a few days. When he started talking like Homer, I quit suspecting him.

Crychon is a VERY UNDERATED player. Half of the stuff I said during this game, come straight from him. Reguardless if MJD thought it was from left field or not, we were very successfull in the way we played the game.

Lostrelms made a "SLIP" on day one. He posted his confusion about how the town is going to win. It was a very innnocent slip, but one that would have worked in ANY Game. I don't think that did as much damage as his roleclaim though.

I don't see as much luck as I seen strategy. Trypio's group, with him as the "Spokesman" helped the town quite a bit as well. It wasn't untill we investigated The Shape, that we thought one of the investigator's might not be getting the right answer's.

Anyways, nice game. I think it would have been allot more strategic if the "Good" Families had to find each other, even if they started with two member's. Might have put a better spin on it, but then it wouldnt' have been warring families.

Interesting game MJD. I don't think I liked the "Warring Families" style of game though. Seemed to be a bit lopsided (as James pointed out).

[djthefunkchris]

It wasn't by choice, Josh...I was going for DJ. :D

Jeesh...

How many attempts were there on me? Crychon tried to ease my worries by telling me "It might not have been you", but I felt like it was me allot of times.

For the record. Untill Ya it's ME Died, he was protecting us. I know on the first night someone else was coming to protect me as well, THANKYOU. I don't know if I would have survived with just one protector or not.

The times after that, My "Ability" was to act like someone else (steal there ability if defensive I guess). I picked ShadowedFlames a couple of times, before moving over to Trypio. At the end, I acted like Crychon, because I was worried someone would try to kill him, and was hoping maybe they would get me instead. I don't know if that would have worked or not, but that was my reason for doing so.

Crychon was the guy that had investigative power's. He wanted to post more, but knew if people put the two of us together, it would endanger his night missions. So I did allot of talking, questioning and such for him.

Bassically, I was posting for two people. I had my own questions, as well as questions Crychon wanted asked as well.

Trypio, me and Crychon thought of you as the MVP of this game pretty early on.

TDS was spot on with Burns. I am guessing that was a "Guess" now? Well, I kind of feel the same way TDS did after going back and reading that post he was talking about. First saying he was a member of a certain family (TDS's family, to be correct), then making a comment about his sister so to speak. It would be like me saying, jokingly, Couldn't Penny be the killer? I mean, blah blah blah... Which I don't think anyone would say about their potential "Ally's". Weather or not he had evidence, I didnt' care after reading that. I don't think most of us did either. The information that TDS was in that family (and we DID believe him), and what was said, would have been enough I believe... Fact is, it was enough.

[nZane]

Interesting game MJD. I don't think I liked the "Warring Families" style of game though. Seemed to be a bit lopsided (as James pointed out).Agreed. But this was the first time giving this concept a try around here, so in that regards I think things went pretty well.

Something I mentioned over on the REI board was that I really wished the Warring Families concept wouldn't have been mentioned before the game started. I just think it would have been a blast to have all of these little splinter groups running around thinking that everyone else is aligned against them!

[djthefunkchris]

Agreed. But this was the first time giving this concept a try around here, so in that regards I think things went pretty well.

Something I mentioned over on the REI board was that I really wished the Warring Families concept wouldn't have been mentioned before the game started. I just think it would have been a blast to have all of these little splinter groups running around thinking that everyone else is aligned against them!

You know what. It think that would have rocked (in a fun way).

[panix04]

Agreed. But this was the first time giving this concept a try around here, so in that regards I think things went pretty well.

Something I mentioned over on the REI board was that I really wished the Warring Families concept wouldn't have been mentioned before the game started. I just think it would have been a blast to have all of these little splinter groups running around thinking that everyone else is aligned against them!

QFT!

[djthefunkchris]

QFT!

Read you PM, so I can finish the project!

[nZane]

What's more, I really wish the individual groups had more win conditions. Something along the lines of the Nicktoons win when all threats to the convention are eliminated, but only if Bugs' group is also eliminated. Same with the Simpsons/Family Guy. It just seems like the Warring Families concept wasn't as fleshed out as it could have been...

[djthefunkchris]

What's more, I really wish the individual groups had more win conditions. Something along the lines of the Nicktoons win when all threats to the convention are eliminated, but only if Bugs' group is also eliminated. Same with the Simpsons/Family Guy. It just seems like the Warring Families concept wasn't as fleshed out as it could have been...

For a first time, I'm sure there is allot we can learn from it. MJD as well as other mods that might want to "flush" this style out some more, might be interested in doing so.

In my opinion, that DOTT game was quite a bit like "Warring Families". Just had recruitment instead of starting out that way.

Seems that you could do quite a bit more with these games, after playing this one, quite a few idea's come to mind, that might be able to be balanced, as well as make player's crazy and delighted at the same time.

[cappyboy]

So Close! Stupid rubbish role claim. I should have kept my mouth shut. Ah well, well done guys. It would appear my new tactic proved far more viable then my talkative approach, shame really that active participation tends to cost you your life.

I don't know that's necessarily the case at all. I was pretty good in my activity and had I not gotten deflated and confessed I doubt I would have come under much suspicion. Trypio had a line on me at one point. But luckily he had just enough wrong that I could back out of it.

[djthefunkchris]

I don't know that's necessarily the case at all. I was pretty good in my activity and had I not gotten deflated and confessed I doubt I would have come under much suspicion. Trypio had a line on me at one point. But luckily he had just enough wrong that I could back out of it.

Definately played a remarkable game up till your confession. And I don't know who all noticed, but shaking hands and leaving the convention doesn't make me think you actually LOST.

I suspected you a couple of times, and you were very convincing. I believe your confession come right before we got serious on the claims though. After you confessed, it was pretty lame for anyone else NOT to confess at that point, unless they had a great ability that would HELP the Convention.

I aggree, I think Panix looks more suspicious when he doesn't post. I don't think there was a list of suspicous people that didn't have his name on it.

The only time I thought he might not be bad, is after our investigation. I was looking (as I'm sure most everyone else was at this time) for Skeletor. I didn't think He-Man was even in the game, after Jim claimed, then thought he seen an ally at his door. I am pretty sure everyone thought that was Skeletor.

When he said he scared off Jim, That's when I knew he was Skeletor. I just wanted the town to know for sure that his investigation come out "clean".

Also, what Anti noted. Kind of a misleading PM sent back to us. If he said "He come up as No Threat", I would have thought "DON" right off the bat. Figured Panix was a DON of one of the groups anyways, for a while.

[masterded]

I don't know that's necessarily the case at all. I was pretty good in my activity and had I not gotten deflated and confessed I doubt I would have come under much suspicion. Trypio had a line on me at one point. But luckily he had just enough wrong that I could back out of it.

Though you where a huge help to the town. It seemed with the number of investigators and all but 2 not in groups that the game was going to go to the good guys once it reached the right point. After awhile it became a pretty safe bet that unless someone claimed the person in there group (once people starting voting) they would be a good idea for a lynch. Especially when you notice that at least one person from every "good group" would seem to have a vote on them.

[djthefunkchris]

WINNERS: Moe Hunter

ACTIVE PLAYERS LIST (9):
3. masterded = SITH
18. Crychon = SITH
22. trypio = SITH
27. BlueStar
31. djthefunkchris = SITH
33. cappyboy
34. Minister Whitey
35. The Shape

Hee hee.

[theoutlaw321]

WINNERS: Moe Hunter

ACTIVE PLAYERS LIST (9):
3. masterded = SITH
18. Crychon = SITH
22. trypio = SITH
27. BlueStar
31. djthefunkchris = SITH
33. cappyboy
34. Minister Whitey
35. The Shape

Hee hee.

Rookie player! Congrats.

[Antithesis]

I don't know that's necessarily the case at all. I was pretty good in my activity and had I not gotten deflated and confessed I doubt I would have come under much suspicion. Trypio had a line on me at one point. But luckily he had just enough wrong that I could back out of it.

I had you made day two.. back there somewhere is a post by me saying that you werent town, but I didn't press it... figured me and your group could work together later if I managed to survive that far.

Also, what Anti noted. Kind of a misleading PM sent back to us. If he said "He come up as No Threat", I would have thought "DON" right off the bat. Figured Panix was a DON of one of the groups anyways, for a while.

Well, my intent wasn't to mislead, but i wanted a little narrative color for Gadget, and I didn't want to make some mistake in the PM and accidentally confirm Panix as being a threat, so I wrote it the way i did. Then Crychon started asking about arms, and dental records and I dunno what else. I knew you were already on to him, though I didn't realize you guys were trying to test to see if he was Dr. Claw or not.

[djthefunkchris]

I had you made day two.. back there somewhere is a post by me saying that you werent town, but I didn't press it... figured me and your group could work together later if I managed to survive that far.



Well, my intent wasn't to mislead, but i wanted a little narrative color for Gadget, and I didn't want to make some mistake in the PM and accidentally confirm Panix as being a threat, so I wrote it the way i did. Then Crychon started asking about arms, and dental records and I dunno what else. I knew you were already on to him, though I didn't realize you guys were trying to test to see if he was Dr. Claw or not.

I loved the "GO GO GADGET TELESCOPE" and stuff. Don't get me wrong at all. I know you didn't, that's why I posted like I did in the thread... "Mod Error" perhaps. It stuttered his lynch is all... we still come through.

[The Shape]

Cheers outlaw ;) and yeah good game guys, could lay the foundations for some interesting stuff in the future. Think I might sit out the R&B one because I know absolutely nothing about the topic so my interest wouldn't be as high, but after that...

Also my role led to me watching Family Guy a fair bit having not really touched it before, and that was certainly a good decision :o

[trypio]

Trypio, me and Crychon thought of you as the MVP of this game pretty early on.

Don't you mean ya_its_me instead of me?

[Arrows]

Sure, there might be a couple INDIVIDUAL's, but even on that note, which of them would NOT be a threat?

Shadowed. Had you made the deal with him the game could've been over sooner, as he could win with the town and had a night kill.

[ShadowedFlames]

Shadowed. Had you made the deal with him the game could've been over sooner, as he could win with the town and had a night kill.

True...but with the track record Indies had in this game, that was going to basically be a moot point--I would have been lynched anyway.

Still, I'm surprised I made it to the last 12...

[Arrows]

True...but with the track record Indies had in this game, that was going to basically be a moot point--I would have been lynched anyway.

Still, I'm surprised I made it to the last 12...

Me too. Had DJ not found Tryps, you would've had a good shot at surviving. Taking out DJ would've given you the room to negotiate, since DJ seemed to be the one so against the indies.

[ShadowedFlames]

Me too. Had DJ not found Tryps, you would've had a good shot at surviving. Taking out DJ would've given you the room to negotiate, since DJ seemed to be the one so against the indies.

And that's why I wasted two nights trying to put a cap in him....

INSANITY: The act of repeating an act that failed before, in hopes of a different result.

[mjdgoldeneye]

The format was lopsided because NO ONE (good or bad) had an open mind for the possibilities.

If you use basic game logic, the "town" wins immediately, out of the gate. That's what happened...

For example, there were so many cases of people assuming any other given player was "with them" or "against them"...

REI was vs. Everyone, except the Cold Warriors.

The Doombringers were vs. " " "

DWH were vs. Bugs' Best, Fudd vs. Irk

Bugs' Best were vs. all evil groups, except Irk (no humans...)

The Griffins were vs. all evil groups (especially Irk)

The Gadgets vs. " " ", Brain could avoid Irk

Sideshow Bob vs. Everyone

Daffy vs. No one in particular (Survivor with kill), Could join either Looney Tune group!

Irken Invaders vs. All humans (Intra-group goal)

Nicktoons vs. All evil, Dib/Arnold vs. Irk

TMNT vs. Evil, Shredder could kill all 4 at once.

The Simpsons vs. Burns/Sideshow

Cold Warriors vs. non-evil

So, as you see, going by the "townie" persona all out during the day was a horrible idea. Bad guys were pretty well matched with good guys, and everyone good figured everyone bad was an enemy, and everyone evil thought they had to act innocent to survive.

Cartoons are a very polar topic. Everyone is "good" or "evil" generally, and that fact may have hindered things a bit...

ya_its_me's game will be less "polar" so the format will fit better. I said before and during the game, this was a prototype. I also tried to fit you guys with an open mind, but the general response was "I'm free to follow whatever logic, sensible or not, that I want...", which you were, but it was silly! :D

My next game won't have a given format... It'll be unique, I hope... (If I'm still around when it comes up... :rolleyes: )

[masterded]

The format was lopsided because NO ONE (good or bad) had an open mind for the possibilities.

If you use basic game logic, the "town" wins immediately, out of the gate. That's what happened...

For example, there were so many cases of people assuming any other given player was "with them" or "against them"...

REI was vs. Everyone, except the Cold Warriors.

The Doombringers were vs. " " "

DWH were vs. Bugs' Best, Fudd vs. Irk

Bugs' Best were vs. all evil groups, except Irk (no humans...)

The Griffins were vs. all evil groups (especially Irk)

The Gadgets vs. " " ", Brain could avoid Irk

Sideshow Bob vs. Everyone

Daffy vs. No one in particular (Survivor with kill), Could join either Looney Tune group!

Irken Invaders vs. All humans (Intra-group goal)

Nicktoons vs. All evil, Dib/Arnold vs. Irk

TMNT vs. Evil, Shredder could kill all 4 at once.

The Simpsons vs. Burns/Sideshow

Cold Warriors vs. non-evil

So, as you see, going by the "townie" persona all out during the day was a horrible idea. Bad guys were pretty well matched with good guys, and everyone good figured everyone bad was an enemy, and everyone evil thought they had to act innocent to survive.

Cartoons are a very polar topic. Everyone is "good" or "evil" generally, and that fact may have hindered things a bit...

ya_its_me's game will be less "polar" so the format will fit better. I said before and during the game, this was a prototype. I also tried to fit you guys with an open mind, but the general response was "I'm free to follow whatever logic, sensible or not, that I want...", which you were, but it was silly! :D

My next game won't have a given format... It'll be unique, I hope... (If I'm still around when it comes up... :rolleyes: )


Um.. one of the most bagic logics that exists is the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So the "good guys" working together is a logical way of playing the game. Which um you now worked. So I don't see why you have to act like we are stupid or something. It not going the way you want does not mean people didn't think about it.

[Derek B]

I knew perfectly well who I was against... everyone who could be evil. From my point of view, it was town (good guys) vs evil (everyone else) so I was happy to work on that. The Nicktoons had very simple win conditions so it paid for us to push town vs bad guys whenever we could.

Bizarrely though... the first two people we investigated were the Irken Invaders although we had no idea who they were before we done that. We may have had a paranoid investigator, but we had a paranoid group of people looking for threats and we had a good track record for finding them. :D

[Imarevenant]

The format was lopsided because NO ONE (good or bad) had an open mind for the possibilities.

If you use basic game logic, the "town" wins immediately, out of the gate. That's what happened...

For example, there were so many cases of people assuming any other given player was "with them" or "against them"...

REI was vs. Everyone, except the Cold Warriors.

The Doombringers were vs. " " "

DWH were vs. Bugs' Best, Fudd vs. Irk

Bugs' Best were vs. all evil groups, except Irk (no humans...)

The Griffins were vs. all evil groups (especially Irk)

The Gadgets vs. " " ", Brain could avoid Irk

Sideshow Bob vs. Everyone

Daffy vs. No one in particular (Survivor with kill), Could join either Looney Tune group!

Irken Invaders vs. All humans (Intra-group goal)

Nicktoons vs. All evil, Dib/Arnold vs. Irk

TMNT vs. Evil, Shredder could kill all 4 at once.

The Simpsons vs. Burns/Sideshow

Cold Warriors vs. non-evil

So, as you see, going by the "townie" persona all out during the day was a horrible idea. Bad guys were pretty well matched with good guys, and everyone good figured everyone bad was an enemy, and everyone evil thought they had to act innocent to survive.

Cartoons are a very polar topic. Everyone is "good" or "evil" generally, and that fact may have hindered things a bit...

ya_its_me's game will be less "polar" so the format will fit better. I said before and during the game, this was a prototype. I also tried to fit you guys with an open mind, but the general response was "I'm free to follow whatever logic, sensible or not, that I want...", which you were, but it was silly! :D

My next game won't have a given format... It'll be unique, I hope... (If I'm still around when it comes up... :rolleyes: )

You know you keep saying things about "not having an open mind" and then try to put that on us the players. But I have to totally disagree with you, it was a great strategy for us because we all had the same goal. To rid the town of threats to "you, your group, and the convention itself."

If you really wanted all of us to be fighting with each other, you should not have given 4 (Nicktoons, Family Guy, Looney Toons, Gadget) strong groups the same goal. Then add Simpsons in on it, since the two they needed to eliminate were against the other 4 groups. That was 18 players with the same or very similar goal in the game.

Why wouldn't they join each other?

Hell even if one other bad group, like say the Wabbit Hunters, was only against one of the pre-mentioned group of 5, it still made sense to help out that small group, ensuring that they'd be alive to keep helping the overall "town" out.

You really want to make this warring families instead of a bunch of bad groups against a bunch of good groups, then you have to give each side reasons to fight amongst each other.

Give them the goal of riding the convention of the truly evil groups, but then give them their own little seperate win conditions as well.

Pit Family Guy against the Simpsons, as well as Nicktoons against the Looney Toons, make it so that in the pairing of the 5 "town" groups, everyone has a reason to try and eliminate one of those groups along with the bad guys. Then you'll have chaos, then you'll have a war amongst even those with part of the same goal (to eliminate the doombringers, really evil inc....et....)

Instead we all had the same goal pretty much. So even if for me, I could still win if we didn't kill the Wabbit Hunters, it made no sense not to lynch them given that doing so helped out a group that had the same overall goal that I did.

Now, had my goal been to eliminate the Looney Toons and the overall threats to the convention, then I probably wouldn't have voted on The Aussie Lynching and would have then tried to find a way to aid the Wabbit Hunters while still trying to help everyone else out in eliminating the doombringer type groups.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Um.. one of the most bagic logics that exists is the enemy of my enemy is my friend. So the "good guys" working together is a logical way of playing the game. Which um you now worked. So I don't see why you have to act like we are stupid or something. It not going the way you want does not mean people didn't think about it.

1. I wasn't being rude, no need for you to be! If I came off that way, I apologize.

2. It isn't up to me to decide who wins, or what happens in a game. That's irrelevant to this matter. I'm trying to make a point for the future...

3. The enemy of your enemy is only your friend if they're not your enemy as well... That's my whole point: There isn't 1 threat to all of "good". The are many, and the bad guys failed to cash in on the same strategy the town did. "Good" and "Evil" is relative. Coming out as a bad guys is bad thing to do when you don't know who has the voting majority, I understand. However, coming out as a good guy or blatantly voting as a "townie" is not necessary either.

4. The generally idea of me saying all this is that "banding together" vs. evil wouldn't have worked if the bad guys knew how this game worked. It wasn't a battle for 51% between 2 sides. Once ya_its_me's game comes around, please heed these warnings because the flaws of this game will be corrected for the next. The bad guys, had they done anything right (:D) could have easily "fought their common enemy" openly had they understood things were as close as they were... Unlike other mafia games, claiming a pure, wholesome, and all-around good guy role or alignment when things are even can get you killed by a potential ally... (There was as much good vs. bad as bad vs. bad...)

[mjdgoldeneye]

You know you keep saying things about "not having an open mind" and then try to put that on us the players. But I have to totally disagree with you, it was a great strategy for us because we all had the same goal. To rid the town of threats to "you, your group, and the convention itself."

As I said above, the bad guys could have went the same way. They had the power, you had the numbers. There was too much "yay good" from everyone in general. From the good guys, duh! From the bad guys? When you're going after yourself, you're gonna die! When you're not sure, yea, go "good" for appearance sake. However, voting and playing as town will effectively make you town, therefore a target for an unknowing ally!

I knew the good guys would eventually come together, but I figured the bad guys would catch on too. Sure, they were more sectionalized, but they had all the kills for the most part too. They could have easily dominated the town, and then went on to face each other... This was the alternative! Nothing that happened is unexpected, just "dangerous". The way I set things up, you found the simplest route to success. For the future beeeeewaaaaarrre!!! **Rattles fake ghost chains**

[masterded]

The format was lopsided because NO ONE (good or bad) had an open mind for the possibilities.

One sorry if I am being rude but it gets anyoing hearing you talk about how no one understood the game. The "good guys" did what they did to have to win, team up...

1. I wasn't being rude, no need for you to be! If I came off that way, I apologize.

2. It isn't up to me to decide who wins, or what happens in a game. That's irrelevant to this matter. I'm trying to make a point for the future...

3. The enemy of your enemy is only your friend if they're not your enemy as well... That's my whole point: There isn't 1 threat to all of "good". The are many, and the bad guys failed to cash in on the same strategy the town did. "Good" and "Evil" is relative. Coming out as a bad guys is bad thing to do when you don't know who has the voting majority, I understand. However, coming out as a good guy or blatantly voting as a "townie" is not necessary either.

4. The generally idea of me saying all this is that "banding together" vs. evil wouldn't have worked if the bad guys knew how this game worked. It wasn't a battle for 51% between 2 sides. Once ya_its_me's game comes around, please heed these warnings because the flaws of this game will be corrected for the next. The bad guys, had they done anything right (:D) could have easily "fought their common enemy" openly had they understood things were as close as they were... Unlike other mafia games, claiming a pure, wholesome, and all-around good guy role or alignment when things are even can get you killed by a potential ally... (There was as much good vs. bad as bad vs. bad...)


As I said above, the bad guys could have went the same way. They had the power, you had the numbers. There was too much "yay good" from everyone in general. From the good guys, duh! From the bad guys? When you're going after yourself, you're gonna die! When you're not sure, yea, go "good" for appearance sake. However, voting and playing as town will effectively make you town, therefore a target for an unknowing ally!

I knew the good guys would eventually come together, but I figured the bad guys would catch on too. Sure, they were more sectionalized, but they had all the kills for the most part too. They could have easily dominated the town, and then went on to face each other... This was the alternative! Nothing that happened is unexpected, just "dangerous". The way I set things up, you found the simplest route to success. For the future beeeeewaaaaarrre!!! **Rattles fake ghost chains**

Which I guess you knew we would do but yet we didn't understand? I knew and I am guessing most did too that this game wouldn't be normal. I also knew we would have to work together for my side to win. Which is what we did and it worked yet you keep saying no one understood the game.

[Midnightnick]

Whoa, whoa wait.

Gold, you should've added a recruit option for both Bugs' Best and Wabbit Hunters to find Daffy.

That would've evened it out I feel.

[djthefunkchris]

MJD, you keep saying we played silly, or whatever, and not playing the way we should have.

The problem is, your trying to controll the way we "think" or "Play" the game is not going to happen, in any game. Your actually telling us we are limiting ourselves by thinking a certain way, when in all actuality its you trying to limit US by trying to make us think different then what we want.

Definately had enough bad guys for a bad guy win... I don't doubt that at all. The problem is they can't be all out in the open with each other, like we can.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Which I guess you knew we would do but yet we didn't understand? I knew and I am guessing most did too that this game wouldn't be normal. I also knew we would have to work together for my side to win. Which is what we did and it worked yet you keep saying no one understood the game.

Where did I say I didn't understand how the town won? Isn't it kind of obvious? Wasn't I the guy who made the roles and knew what was going on backstage the entire game?

I never meant, and don't think I said, no one "understood" the game. Very few people figured out the game set-up, though, and it worked out for the good side. The good guys played like good guys (duh) and so did the bad guys, like in every game. But, when there is no uninformed majority, the numbers had to be balanced ("Town" gets communications, bad gets larger #'s), and therefore the bad guys had to work together too. Instead, they voted like townies, and were killed by fellow bad guys because they thought their allies were enemies...

Simply, the set-up was semi-irrelevant to the good side, whilst it was the absolute deciding factor for the bad.

I see as clear as day how you won, but I'm surprised the bad guys didn't work things out. Now that everyone sees the inner workings, and it's been proven that "good vs. bad" games don't work, the format will run smoothly in the future.

A sample situation: A bad guy is being cornered by the town. He can't claim a bad guy, because at this point, he's in the minority. A bad guy from his team, or another, can step up and claim him, or at least support him. Too many bad guys were left out to dry, and were slowly picked off. The good guys? If one was targeted, no one paused to step forward and help their teammate!

[Lostrelms]

Whoa, whoa wait.

Gold, you should've added a recruit option for both Bugs' Best and Wabbit Hunters to find Daffy.

That would've evened it out I feel.

If the notesi had were correct, allthey had todowas target Daffey.

[djthefunkchris]

Where did I say I didn't understand how the town won? Isn't it kind of obvious? Wasn't I the guy who made the roles and knew what was going on backstage the entire game?

I never meant, and don't think I said, no one "understood" the game. Very few people figured out the game set-up, though, and it worked out for the good side. The good guys played like good guys (duh) and so did the bad guys, like in every game. But, when there is no uninformed majority, the numbers had to be balanced ("Town" gets communications, bad gets larger #'s), and therefore the bad guys had to work together too. Instead, they voted like townies, and were killed by fellow bad guys because they thought their allies were enemies...

Simply, the set-up was semi-irrelevant to the good side, whilst it was the absolute deciding factor for the bad.

I see as clear as day how you won, but I'm surprised the bad guys didn't work things out. Now that everyone sees the inner workings, and it's been proven that "good vs. bad" games don't work, the format will run smoothly in the future.

A sample situation: A bad guy is being cornered by the town. He can't claim a bad guy, because at this point, he's in the minority. A bad guy from his team, or another, can step up and claim him, or at least support him. Too many bad guys were left out to dry, and were slowly picked off. The good guys? If one was targeted, no one paused to step forward and help their teammate!

Bassically, it's exactly what I said to Crychon day 1 or 2... You wanted the bad guys to band together.

That's why I kept stressing that all the smaller groups need to get rid of the two worse groups, and did my best to make it sound like either one of them will eliminate "Wabbit Hunter's" or whatever "Cold" Dudes, or whatever.

Definately didn't want the bad guys uniting... That was the whole reason I kept saying things like that. It's also the whole reason I kept fussing at you about saying how the game is set up. IT's set up, everything is in motion. Now is not the time to give out hints.... If they want to believe me or someone else, then let them.

[djthefunkchris]

Don't you mean ya_its_me instead of me?

I mean, myself and Crychon.

[Antithesis]

I am quoting DJ but this is a reply more for MJ than anyone else.

Definately had enough bad guys for a bad guy win... I don't doubt that at all. The problem is they can't be all out in the open with each other, like we can.


Not only that... but people forget that aside from the Cold Warriors...

EVERY "bad group was opposed to each other's win conditions


How is Irken invaders supposed to work with REI when, for us to win, 3 of their members are supposed to die? It wasn't even possible for REI, Irken, and Doom to work together... we had opposing win conditions. I know, I have seen the write ups for the roles.

As a player, I was glad to see Shredder, Stewie, Cobra Commander, Side Show Bob, etc die.. because their deaths brought me closer to my goal of winning. MJ seems to be insisting that all the bad groupos should have held hands and sung Kumbayah... and that just was never gonna happen, not because the players decided to act that way, because the way the game was set up insured it.

"Town" win conditions= compatible
"baddy" win conditions= incompatible

How someone can pretend to rectify this fact with the daydream of the bad guys all working together somehow is beyond me. The "Town" shared the same goal, the bad guys didn't, yet its somehow our fault for not working together.

Sure.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Definately had enough bad guys for a bad guy win... I don't doubt that at all. The problem is they can't be all out in the open with each other, like we can.

DJ, I'm not getting through to you, apparently. No offense, seriously, you're a bright guy, but see here:

YES! The bad guys COULD come out... They didn't KNOW they could! There were 2 levels of "coming out": Saying "Hey! I'm Megatron!", or cross-claiming.

The "Hey! I'm Megatron!" claim is a good example that fits the reality of this game. It didn't work. Why? Well, 2 reasons: At that point, the town still had the advantage, so in a clinch, they'd win, even if everything came out truthfully day one. Secondly, the bad guys didn't realize they could work with each other as much as they could, and didn't realize how close their numbers were. Cross-claiming, or claiming someone outside your group you know to be "with you" for the most part is a good thing for the bad guys to do.

When everything gets checked, and it gets simplified to the roots: There was nothing you WOULD have done differently. The bad guys simply didn't know, and the whole point of my "consider the possibilities" speeches were the vaguest and fairest way I could "help" the bad guys. They were directed at you, DJ, but weren't for you at all!

Everything I have posted today is meant to be progressive, not reflective. It's not about this game, its about the games to come. Now, everyone sees what I mean, I hope, and at least half the game won't be gasping for air because they didn't have any way of seeing what I saw as the mod. It's not a matter of trying to influence your thinking at this point. It's just me trying to get at least most of you to see why I was all weird and trying to get certain people going certain ways.

IDK if I'm getting my point across, because every time I look, the posts are getting angrier and angrier. :D I'm done trying to explain stuff, because I tend to get a bit wordy without really being able to say what I mean...

[mjdgoldeneye]

DJ, I just read your last few posts. You get me, I see!


"Town" win conditions= compatible
"baddy" win conditions= incompatible


Yea, but who had the kills and the power? It was all a balancing act. The groups couldn't verbally plan, but they could have helped shelter someone they found "useful"... The "good guys" ideally had to rid the game of baddies with kills. The "bad guys" ideally had to use each other, yet tip the status quo in their favor.

A lot of the potentially ideal situations for some teams were really complicated. I thought the mason feature would help sort that out, but I'm not going to deny this game was very flawed. It was new, and now we all know. All for the better!

Now, it seems that everybody has rounded the corner on my zany logic, so I'm ok. :)

[djthefunkchris]

DJ, I'm not getting through to you, apparently. No offense, seriously, you're a bright guy, but see here:

[/B] The bad guys simply didn't know, and the whole point of my "consider the possibilities" speeches were the vaguest and fairest way I could "help" the bad guys. They were directed at you, DJ, but weren't for you at all!

It's just me trying to get at least most of you to see why I was all weird and trying to get certain people going certain ways.

Oh... You got through to me.

My point. You shouldn't have done either of the bolded.

Anti's point up top is moreso an answer as well.

[Imarevenant]

When everything gets checked, and it gets simplified to the roots: There was nothing you WOULD have done differently. The bad guys simply didn't know, and the whole point of my "consider the possibilities" speeches were the vaguest and fairest way I could "help" the bad guys. They were directed at you, DJ, but weren't for you at all!

Everything I have posted today is meant to be progressive, not reflective. It's not about this game, its about the games to come. Now, everyone sees what I mean, I hope, and at least half the game won't be gasping for air because they didn't have any way of seeing what I saw as the mod. It's not a matter of trying to influence your thinking at this point. It's just me trying to get at least most of you to see why I was all weird and trying to get certain people going certain ways.


Those things should have still never have happened though. Sorry, I know you thought you were rectifying something you forgot to do, but once the game was underway, you as a mod spent way too much time trying to influence the players and their actions.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yea, that was dumb...

I didn't want to do that, but I did... 'Twas dumb... Simple... :o

I shall not repeat in the future, and if it makes a difference, I'm not all touchy about this format. My next game will be closer to normal anyway!

(Also, none of that crap worked... :D )

[djthefunkchris]

DJ, I just read your last few posts. You get me, I see!

A lot of the potentially ideal situations for some teams were really complicated. I thought the mason feature would help sort that out, but I'm not going to deny this game was very flawed. It was new, and now we all know. All for the better!

Now, it seems that everybody has rounded the corner on my zany logic, so I'm ok. :)

I guess my bigger point is... When people are playing a game, they aren't going to put all their cards on the table.

I got your point from the write up. When you started talking in the thread about "don't think that way", it was really upsetting, because it was part of my strategy. It's unfair for the mod to come in and correct things I have to say, just because you don't realise I'm trying to be misleading on purpose.

That's why I say, let the player's play, just do the write-ups, maybe talk about "non/mafia" stuff, or a different game, in the thread, but as far as the ongoing thread... A tease here and there is fine. "Oh, your confused now DJ, just wait, hee hee". That's all good fun. But going in and saying "What DJ said is not the way this game is set up. Think outside the box" etc... Is just killing my, or anyone else's strategy.

Mafia is about strategy, like any other game. If your strategy is eliminated, then it feels as though the "Referee/Mod" is just trying to make it hard on you.

That's how I felt from the start of the game, from the Lostrelms lynch on. Everytime I tried to get something going one way or the other, you jumped in to "correct" me, instead of letting me dig and get-er-done, so to speak. It's unfair. I'm sure I'm not the only one that felt that way at different points in the game.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yea, I knew the "Keep 'em going forward, never look back" strategy was yours, and you'd probably try to kill me for doing that stuff...

I wouldn't have been able to do more than hint at the #'s anyway, otherwise it would be lame... "Hey! The split is 18-17! LOOKY HERE!" :rolleyes:

[djthefunkchris]

Yea, I knew the "Keep 'em going forward, never look back" strategy was yours, and you'd probably try to kill me for doing that stuff...

I wouldn't have been able to do more than hint at the #'s anyway, otherwise it would be lame... "Hey! The split is 18-17! LOOKY HERE!" :rolleyes:

Well, I feel better getting this stuff off my chest at any rate. No worries.

It would have sucked if they did ban together... The killing at night would have eventually been able to make their number's bigger.

Our "ACE" we killed, which was NickC.

I don't think I've ever seen a scummier good guy, lol.

[djthefunkchris]

Although it was interesting to see who questioned the death without a body, lol.

[Antithesis]

Yea, but who had the kills and the power?

To kill each other with or to kill the "townies" with.

You seem to want it both ways. We were all supposed to align ourselves in the thread and take out those who opposed us.. when, in fact, we opposed each other.

This isn't the enemy of my enemy is a friend.. this is.. everyone is my enemy.

I'll go one further. Who was that unlynchable guy who kept pissing and moaning about other groups and game set ups and divided goals all this and that? Who did he help lynch, and who killed him?

It was in my interest to work with the town to lynch Mr. Burns, and Stewie, because both were human. It was in Panix's interest to kill me as he felt i was a threat to him.

This is the reality of the game as it was played. Everyone played as best they could acording to their group interest, and you seem genuinely stupified at the notion that no one felt it was in their interest to band together (on the Baddy side) when you gave them all competing goals to attain in order to win.


This truly boggles my mind. How you can sit there and act like its our fault for pursuing the goals you gave us to win.

An Example

Doombringers, in order for you to win, you must outnumber all others, however, to do this you should work together with everyone else first.

The game was called Warring families, not warring sides. I think what you really intended was for every group to be opposed, in some fashion, against each other. For whatever reason this did not happen, four or five families with compatible win conditions merged together, but don't blame incompatible groups for not doing the same, that just doesn't strike me as a valid criticism.


Now, if you wanna say bad guys were poor at picking targets to kill, I am in complete agreement.


Oh, and something else.. to avoid these problems in the future..

At mafiascum its a common practice for the mod to quote the town's win condition(s) underneath the rules, right before the game starts. I think partly because they sometimes play some really strange games there, and partly to keep what happened day one from becoming a common occurrence in every game. If you try using this format again I strongly urge you to consider adopting some sort practice like what i mentioned above, to avoid a repeat.

[djthefunkchris]

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Warring Families
*****

Another year, another random animated gathering...

Once again, the cartoons of the world have converged upon the Toonited Nations within the great country of Cartoonia for the Yearly Organizational Uniting of Toons Uniting Because they Exist (Y.O.U.T.U.B.E.).

This convention has delegates from every cartoon entity arriving from every corner of the world to discuss matters that affect the universe.

Unfortunately, this year, the gathering wouldn't go quite as well...

*****
That's when chaos broke out... Everyone was running around, screaming, trying to find their fellow delegates, and trying to get out of town. Many escaped, including the entire South Park delegation, but a few handfuls of characters stayed around.

Some felt something was wrong and wanted to help. Some wanted to take the moment to seize control of the Toonited Nations. Some just couldn't catch the right bus...

They all knew that Kenny wasn't the last victim...

The win conditions was in there. Just wasn't a good move saying "Hmm, I guess the win conditions for the town is about the same as in any other game", and the answer of course... Was YES. However, the question was asked.

[mjdgoldeneye]

This truly boggles my mind. How you can sit there and act like its our fault for pursuing the goals you gave us to win.

An Example

Doombringers, in order for you to win, you must outnumber all others, however, to do this you should work together with everyone else first.

The game was called Warring families, not warring sides. I think what you really intended was for every group to be opposed, in some fashion, against each other. For whatever reason this did not happen, four or five families with compatible win conditions merged together, but don't blame incompatible groups for not doing the same, that just doesn't strike me as a valid criticism.

At mafiascum its a common practice for the mod to quote the town's win condition(s) underneath the rules, right before the game starts. I think partly because they sometimes play some really strange games there, and partly to keep what happened day one from becoming a common occurrence in every game. If you try using this format again I strongly urge you to consider adopting some sort practice like what i mentioned above, to avoid a repeat.

It's truly the intricacies of the game not being known that was the issue. That wasn't your fault, and I can only claim part of it as my fault. It was just tough to do. I am surprised though that the "big picture" slipped every groups mind the whole game... Sure, you wanted every human dead. However, there were plenty of non-humans, including all of DWH, and many GOOD GUYS who would be able to work with you to varying extents. Do I expect you to have figured it all out immediately? No way! Eventually, to any visible extent? Yea... You personally were very unlucky and shorthanded from the get-go, I'll give you that!

Yea... actually... It's the big picture... If you can get another killer to think they've duped you into being on their side, live and let live! They won't target you naturally, you'll let them go unt you see them as dangerous...

The varying of win conditions was an issue that will be dealt with in future ventures... See above here for the other stuff... :D

A "town win condition" will hopefully be irrelevant in other games like this, but in fact I intended to make that clear after Kenny died, but didn't make it blatant enough. And, what DJ said, above!

[Arrows]

Had the bad guys been able to work together(Their win conditions made this nearly impossible, btw), they could've very easily won this game. Even Lost's slip on day one could've helped them HUGE, had they been quick enough to capitalize.

The second it was caught, Sprinkle should've used his Day kill, and taken out one of his own to gain the Doombringers 2 kills. They could've had a very obvious numbers advantage by the time the third day came around, and sided themselves with Daffy. Doombringers, Daffy, and REI could've easily controlled this game, but it was made so the two entities couldn't work together.

Then you've got all these town groups where only one person(The one that can't be killed easily) can step forward and keep the rest from dying. It was FAR too easy for the town to band together, and that made it very easy to figure out who each scum was.

[Antithesis]

The win conditions was in there. Just wasn't a good move saying "Hmm, I guess the win conditions for the town is about the same as in any other game", and the answer of course... Was YES. However, the question was asked.

Yeah, but i recall the test being a recitation down to the letter.

Here's LR's PM

You are Megatron, Doombringers aligned Transforming Decepticon [of Transformers]

You are the leader of the Decepticons. Because of your recent movie success, you aren’t in the same boat as your partners, but you’re not going to ignore a chance to take down anyone against you. You can rely on Panix04, Sprinklefurball, and James Casey to help you destroy the opposition. They are Skeletor, Shredder, and Cobra Commander respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You can use your transforming ability to blend in with the surroundings at night, and therefore can not be killed by a night attacker. However, your recent fame leads to you coming up as “Megatron” in investigations.

You win when everyone except The Doombringers have been terminated.


Here's mine

You are [B]GIR, Irken Invaders aligned “Advacned” Robot[B] [of Invader Zim]

Woooooooooo! You like doom! Now, you and Zim can do whatever you want! You can rely on [B]rdsinclair, they are [B]Invader Zim[B], and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are an insane robot wearing a dog suit, and people love you. You are too cute and random to be lynched. You can die otherwise though.

You win when all humans are dead.


You will note that neither say anything about the convention. So while your PM

You are [B]Brain, Gadget aligned Human-like Dog[B] [of Inspector Gadget]

You’re pretty clever for a canine, and you hope you can help your friends in this chaos. You can rely on Crychon and ya_its_me at the moment, they are [B]Inspector Gadget and Penny respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you may PM the name of another player to disguise yourself as. If you are targeted that night, who you choose will determine what happens (as well as what info they get in return). Some unpredictable things may happen…

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.


mentions the "convention" the "convention" isn't even given as a target for the bad guys.

[mjdgoldeneye]

The convention was the whole background of the game, though...

I see your point, but I just thought that was clear...

[Antithesis]

The convention was the whole background of the game, though...

I see your point, but I just thought that was clear...

I thought the game was warring families, nothing in my Pm indicated otehrwise, so the idea that multiple groups would comprise a "convention" never entered my pretty little head.. until DJ showed up, guns a blazin. I am sure many baddies will say the same. We never considered the possibility until it was too late for LR.

[Derek B]

Poor MJD, I think people are being unfairly harsh sounding on you, I truly do.

The game wasn't perfect, but it was a first run of a difficult concept. And to make things worse, some people don't read things very closely and the "bad" guys played a terrible, terrible game from the very beginning. But in their defense, I think the "bad" guys had many of the weakest players and the "good" guys had most of the strong players. Random chance divided things up and made it tough from the start, regardless of the game set up....

Chris played a great game in making sure that some people didn't figure things out and turned it to the "good" guy's advantage. And I agree with MJD, it must've been frustrating to see people not understand things... but once the game is running, mods are basically there to do write-ups, keep track of things and modkill Antithesis. :)

The town had a lot of investigative abilities... but then, the bad guys could kill a lot of people!! The game could be run again and Day 1 could see NickC lynched and night 1 could see 4 bodies... that would've made an entirely different game. And bad guys might've stood more chance if they hadn't all said "I'm bad, I'm bad, you know it, I'm bad!!" and getting themselves targetted. That still makes me sad, foolish defeatists. :p

Anyways... we can argue all day about what was good and bad... but what I really want to see is all the role PMs. Obviously I know the Nicktoons and a handful of the others, but I want to see everything. Then we can all look at them and see for ourselves just what could've happened.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I don't mind the comments and etc. It's all constructive, regardless of intent.

Thanks just as well, Derek!

(And, Anti, I get what you mean, and it fits into the "You couldn't know" mold.)

[gonvick]

A sample situation: A bad guy is being cornered by the town. He can't claim a bad guy, because at this point, he's in the minority. A bad guy from his team, or another, can step up and claim him, or at least support him. Too many bad guys were left out to dry, and were slowly picked off. The good guys? If one was targeted, no one paused to step forward and help their teammate!

The problem with helping a bad guy who's being cornered is that even if you prevent his immediate lynch, he's going to be an obvious target for investigation and then you're publically connected to a known threat.

For example, I didn't think it was worth the risk to help Clarity. I thought about claiming him as a teammate, but even if I had a believable story that could prevent him from getting lynched, I figured he'd most likely be investigated, or I would, and then we'd both be dead anyway.

I could see where that strategy could be worth the risk, but the numbers were never good enough to make it worthwhile. I suspected the good:evil ratio started pretty evenly, but after the first couple day and night phases the bad guys were down so many that being more open about connections just wasn't a viable option.

[Moe Hunter]

As I said to Arrows, he was good, but Moe was better. Moe added to every conversation, and helped players avoid logical fallacies. Plus, he's the one who survived, even though it was pretty obvious who he was...

I'd say Moe was a possible MVP, along with both remaining gadgets, and trypio, and The Shape. Good games from all of them!
Cheers, I'm honoured :D

It was so hard to know how to play this time, I had to change a little form usual. I knew that I just had to hold on until 2 specific characters were dead, but I couldn't do anything proactive about it. Hell of a ballsy move by TDS going out on a limb about Slim Jim and revealing he was Bart (AND catching on early that I was Homer) all in one fell swoop.

For the record, I didn't actually have any abilities. I made up the whole "going to Moe's" thing - and I think it was about as good a move as any :P


Also, Antithesis was correct in that there were a few (not a TON) people on day one that seemed really confused. Those were put in suspicion right off the bat as well. Moe for example. I never voted for him, but I was suspicious for a few days. When he started talking like Homer, I quit suspecting him.

I wouldn't say I was confused at all Day 1 (besides not seeing my name in the players list or a PM). You did put a vote on me though. Oh, and the first thing I said "as Homer", your buddy Crychon caught on to! (Waiting game sucks... Hungry Hungry Hippos)

But man it was fun to relive that whole "Cape Feare" episode :)

[cappyboy]

Could we please please please get the full conpendium of the role PM's? I've been looking forward to seeing them since the about the third night phase. And I would imagine I'm not alone in that. I've been a better boy than my role was supposed to. What more can you ask?

Zip it, Panix.

[Derek B]

Yeah... I want role PMs!! I need to steal ideas or my game will never be any good. :cool:

[mjdgoldeneye]

I've been REALLY busy this weekend. If in the mean time you want to post your own various role PM's, or if Arrows/Anti want to post something they can.

I have to allocate my few hours left to homework, eating, and maybe Civ IV... (Civ IV > This... My brain makes the rules, don't shoot the messenger! :D )

I'll get them up, and hopefully some sort of epilogue before the end of this year...

[mjdgoldeneye]

Eh, might as well... Here's all of them, I think, complete with formatting errors. I corrected some spelling/grammar/formatting problems as well as corrected/clarified some things when I sent these out, but here's the gist.

I'll fix them later... :D

In my opinion, the best "new" role was Burns. Budgeting is a new idea isn't it? IDK...

I wasn't sure if some roles like TMNT would "work", as in be balanced and function correctly. It seemed to function on a fundamental level, but some aspects of the role were fuzzy or unaddressed/addressed incorrectly. (For some reason, Antithesis took more from me requesting him not to point out Nick was killed. I meant when he lost a life, don't make it clear it was Nick. When he ran out of lives, IIRC, Anti was unsure about posting Nick was done! Understandably confusing I guess...)

Midnightnick took about as much for granted as possible, and the entire event of him coming out was a "If you knew what I knew..." moment. Obviously, he could target Bugs without dying. Why would I give someone a role that when used "correctly" killed them? Also, ShadowedFlames took a strange route. He was a survivor with a kill that could be skipped 2 out of 3 nights. Late in the game, he went down a path of taking out good guys, which clearly was a bad road to go for an ACTUAL indy guy! Plus, whilst DJ was making deals with every other bad guy, he could have made a deal with SF and would be able to win with him! The whole point of saying this is that Daffy could join the Tunes. If he targeted any DHW, he'd join them, and they'd get a kill. If he targeted RR or Tweety, he'd join Bugs' Best. If he chose the PGO, Bugs, he'd succeed. This was a major balance for the PGO's power!

Things go as they go, and I've learned a lot from this game. Mainly, I've learned that the simplest route is often the best. My future roles will be less involved... :D

Really Evil Inc.

You are Montgomery Burns, Really Evil Inc. aligned Tyrannical Billionaire [of The Simpsons]

Excellent! The events that have taken place at the convention let you and your fellow intellectual evil-doers to take control. You can rely on Clarity, nZane, and cappyboy to help you in your goal. They are Stewie Griffin, Plankton, and The Brain respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You have the funds necessary for your group to become powerful, and money can by you happiness. You are cheap, though, so you have set aside only $1 million for this venture. Once per night, you may PM me one of the following abilities and conditions you’d like to “buy”. You may only buy a cumulative total of $1 million over the course of the game, and one ability per night. (Once you PM me, you spend your cash, but you may change your target until the phase ends.)

$500 thousand: Kill – You may PM me the name of another player during the night in which you purchase this ability. You buy enough TNT to turn there bodies into individual atoms, destroying them yourself.

$250 thousand: Self Protection – You become impervious to attacks, or from being targeted during the night by anyone, by hiding in a high-tech force field for the night you buy this ability.

$250 thousand: Bind Other – You keep anyone else you please bound and hidden from others during the night through some hired goons and a Forget-O gun to wipe their memories. This roleblocks them and protects them from being targeted at all during the night.

You win when everyone except REInc. has been wiped out.



You are Stewart Gilligan Griffin, Really Evil Inc. aligned Devil Child [of Family Guy]

Step one in your plan for world domination has fallen into place. Now, you only need the trust of some fellow masterminds to reach the top. You can rely on Slim Jim, nZane, and cappyboy to help you in your goal. They are Mr. Burns, Plankton, and The Brain respectively, and may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you must perform a night kill, as chosen by The Brain Hopefully, that blasted family of yours isn’t around to throw you off…

You win when everyone except REInc. has been wiped out.



You are Sheldon J. Plankton, Really Evil Inc. aligned College Educated Invertebrate [of Spongebob Squarepants]

You are an evil genius! Your superior intellect will help you as you and some fellow evil-doers attempt to take over the world. You can rely on Slim Jim, Clarity, and cappyboy to help you in your goal. They are Mr. Burns, Stewie Griffin, and The Brain respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

One night during the game, you may activate your mind control device planted within the head of Spongebob Squarepants by PMing me. This can be activated only at night, while most are sleeping. You gain control of his vote during the next day (his vote counts for nothing, yours counts as two), and you must choose a target for him during the next night should he use an ability. He never knows you are controlling him, so this gives you a great advantage!

You win when everyone except REInc. has been wiped out.



You are The Brain, Really Evil Inc. aligned Deep Voiced Lab Mouse [of Pinky and The Brain]

Are you thinking what I’m thinking? Today is the day: You are going to take over the world! You are the mastermind of your group of masterminds, and are calling the shots. You can rely on Slim Jim, Clarity, and nZane to help you in your goal. They are Mr. Burns, Stewie Griffin, and Plankton respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

Every night, you must choose one person for Stewie to kill by PMing me. If he were ever to die, you take over his duties. As a simple lab mouse, you come up not threatening in investigations.

You win when everyone except REInc. has been wiped out.


TheDoombringers

You are Skeletor, Doombringers aligned Skull Faced Scourge of the 80’s [of He-Man]

You were big years ago, but you’ve fallen into obscurity. You and some friends from decades past have banded together to receive your long awaited return to supremacy! You can rely on LostRelms, Sprinklefurball, and James Casey to help you destroy the opposition. They are Megatron, Shredder, and Cobra Commander respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

Every night, you must choose one person to kill by PMing me. You perform the kill yourself, because you can’t trust the others to do it right. Your fall from grace and current lack of relevance leads to you coming up as a non-threat in investigations.

You win when everyone except The Doombringers have been terminated.



You are [B]Megatron, Doombringers aligned Transforming Decepticon [of Transformers]

You are the leader of the Decepticons. Because of your recent movie success, you aren’t in the same boat as your partners, but you’re not going to ignore a chance to take down anyone against you. You can rely on Panix04, Sprinklefurball, and James Casey to help you destroy the opposition. They are Skeletor, Shredder, and Cobra Commander respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You can use your transforming ability to blend in with the surroundings at night, and therefore can not be killed by a night attacker. However, your recent fame leads to you coming up as “Megatron” in investigations.

You win when everyone except The Doombringers[B] have been terminated.



You are [B]Shredder, Doombringers aligned Blade Laced Samurai [of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]

Ninjitsu is your discipline. You have teamed with some fellow fiends because your skills will be of use to them. You can rely on Panix04, LostRelms, and James Casey to help you destroy the opposition. They are Skeletor, Megatron, and Cobra Commander respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are skilled in the ways of the blade, but you must prove yourself to your team. In order to earn the ability to night kill, you must perform a surprise day kill. During one day phase, you may post Kill: and then a players name to day kill them. They must have no active votes on them for it to work. If you successfully kill someone, you lose your day-kill ability and earn the ability to kill in the night. (You will be PM’d a confirmation and instructions).

As well, your shadowy nature allows you to avoid investigations, trackers, and/or watchers.

You win when everyone except The Doombringers[B] have been terminated.



You are [B]Cobra Commander, Doombringers aligned Commander of Cobra [of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]

You are the leader of the terrorist group Cobra. You have joined with other evil entities from years past to try and annihilate everything else! You can rely on Panix04, Sprinklefurball, and LostRelms to help you destroy the opposition. They are Skeletor, Shredder, and Megatron respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You may PM me the name of another player to investigate during the night. You will receive basic info on that player that may help you figure out their role, alignment, or character name.

You win when everyone except The Doombringers[B] have been terminated.


Da Wabbit Hunters

You are [B]Elmer Fudd, Da Wabbit Hunters aligned Looney Antagonist [of Looney Tunes]

That Wascally Wabbit! You decided that now, when everyone was distracted, was the time to take Bugs Bunny down. You can rely on jamck and The Aussie to help you find your rival. They are [B]Sylvester the Cat and Wile E. Coyote respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

No one in your group can kill, but each of you may PM me the name of a player to see if they are your personal rival in the night. Yours is Bugs Bunny. You must try to get them killed alternatively.

You win when all three of your rivals have been terminated.



You are Sylvester the Cat, Da Wabbit Hunters aligned Bird-icidal Feline [of Looney Tunes]

Suffering succotash! You decided that now, when everyone was distracted, was the time to take Tweety Bird down. You can rely on Midnightnick and The Aussie to help you find your rival. They are Elmer Fudd and Wile E. Coyote respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

No one in your group can kill, but each of you may PM me the name of a player to see if they are your personal rival in the night. Yours is Tweety Bird. You must try to get them killed alternatively.

You win when all three of your rivals have been terminated.



You are Wile E Coyote, Da Wabbit Hunters aligned Loyal ACME Buyer [of Looney Tunes]

Genius! You decided that now, when everyone was distracted, was the time to take The Road Runner down. You can rely on Midnightnick and jamck to help you find your rival. They are Elmer Fudd and Sylvester the Cat respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

No one in your group can kill, but each of you may PM me the name of a player to see if they are your personal rival in the night. Yours is The Road Runner. You must try to get them killed alternatively.

You win when all three of your rivals have been terminated.



You are Bugs Bunny, Bugs’ Best aligned Carrot Eating Legend[B] [of Looney Tunes]

You little stinker! You know that this type of chaos isn’t the good kind, and realize you and some friends must band together to help prevent evil. You can rely on Thomnipotent and masterded to help save the conventioneers. They are [B]Tweety Bird and Road Runner respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are a legend, and know how to get out of any situation and spin the negatives on your antagonist. That is why, whenever you are targeted in the night, the player who targets you dies. As well, if you were ever to turn up dead, the shock would be paralyzing to the town.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Tweety Bird, Bugs’ Best aligned Little Canary[B] [of Looney Tunes]

You tawt you taw a putty tat! You don’t have a good feeling about what has happened, so you’ve joined with some friends to sort it all out. You can rely on Minister Whitey and masterded to help save the conventioneers. They are [B]Bugs Bunny and Road Runner respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are good at distracting others, so you may PM me during the night the name of one person to protect with your diversion making skills. However, if you are killed, your protection fails, and if you attack a killer, you die as well! You may not protect anyone in your group.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Road Runner, Bugs’ Best aligned Elusive Desert Inhabitant[B] [of Looney Tunes]

Mheep Mheep! You aren’t one to say much, but you know that after what has happened, all won’t be well, so you’ve teamed with some other to fix things. You can rely on Minister Whitey and Thomnipotent to help save the conventioneers. They are [B]Bugs Bunny and Tweety Bird respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are very fast and clever, so if you are ever attacked at night, you will escape. This only works the first night your life is in danger, but you can’t be roleblocked, and you’re safe from multiple attacks within the same night.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.


The Griffins

You are Peter Griffin, The Griffins aligned Family Guy[B] [of Family Guy]

Well, you messed up… You came to the convention with your family intact, but after the craziness, you’ve split up. You know [B]Meg, Chris, and Brian are around somewhere, and Stewie has disappeared. You can rely on BIGJOSH at the moment, they are Lois Griffin and you may speak with them outside the thread.

Before you can do anything of use, you must find the rest of your family. During the night, you may PM me the name of any player to see if they are a fellow Griffin. If they are, you gain the ability to speak as a full group.

You win when all threats to you, your family, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Lois Griffin, The Griffins aligned Wife, Mother, and Piano Teacher[B] [of Family Guy]

Peter is really dumb sometimes… You came to the convention with your family intact, but after the craziness, you’ve split up. You know [B]Meg, Chris, and Brian are around somewhere, and Stewie has disappeared. You can rely on Wallbanger at the moment, they are Peter Griffin and you may speak with them outside the thread.

Right now, you can’t do anything special. Once Peter finds the rest of the family, you’ll be able to speak as a full group.

You win when all threats to you, your family, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Brian Griffin, The Griffins aligned Worldly Dog[B] [of Family Guy]

You don’t know what happened… You came to the convention with your family intact, but after the craziness, you’ve split up. You know [B]Peter and Lois are around somewhere, and Stewie has disappeared. You can rely on supermareo and BlueStarat the moment, they are Chris and Meg Griffin respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You know that finding the others will be useful, so during the night you may PM me the name of any player to see if they are a Griffin. If they are, you gain the ability to speak as a group.

You win when all threats to you, your family, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Chris Griffin, The Griffins aligned Fat Teenager[B] [of Family Guy]

Woah! This is weird… You came to the convention with your family intact, but after the craziness, you’ve split up. You know [B]Peter and Lois are around somewhere, and Stewie has disappeared. You can rely on The Shape and BlueStar at the moment, they are Brian and Meg Griffin respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You need to find your parents before your group can be useful, and Brain is trying to find them.

You win when all threats to you, your family, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Meg Griffin, The Griffins aligned Widely Hated Girl[B] [of Family Guy]

Oh No!You came to the convention with your family intact, but after the craziness, you’ve split up. You know [B]Peter and Lois are around somewhere, and Stewie has disappeared. You can rely on The Shape and supermareo at the moment, they are Brian and Chris Griffin respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You need to find your parents before your group can be useful, and Brain is trying to find them.

You win when all threats to you, your family, and the convention itself are dead.


The Gadgets

You are Inspector Gadget, Gadget aligned Bumbling Detective[B] [of Inspector Gadget]

You are the Gadget himself! You are known for your ability to access hundreds of crazy tools existing within yourself. However, this situation requires your sleuthing skills more than your gadgets. You can rely on ya_its_me and djthefunkchris at the moment, they are [B]Penny and Brain respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you may PM me the name of a player to investigate. You will get a response as to whether they are a threat to you.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Penny, Gadget aligned Intelligent Niece[B] [of Inspector Gadget]

You have helped your uncle get out of some tough situations, and you’re here to continue that tradition. You can rely on Crychon and djthefunkchris at the moment, they are [B]Inspector Gadget and Brain respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you may PM if you want to protect the rest of your group for the night. If you do so, they all lose their powers for that night, and you remain vulnerable.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Brain, Gadget aligned Human-like Dog[B] [of Inspector Gadget]

You’re pretty clever for a canine, and you hope you can help your friends in this chaos. You can rely on Crychon and ya_its_me at the moment, they are [B]Inspector Gadget and Penny respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you may PM the name of another player to disguise yourself as. If you are targeted that night, who you choose will determine what happens (as well as what info they get in return). Some unpredictable things may happen…

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



Individuals

You are Sideshow Bob, Individually aligned Crazy Villain of Springfield[B] [of The Simpsons]

Now is a good time for an evil laugh! Everyone is distracted, everyone is worried… Now, you go on a rampage!

During the night, you must PM the name of another player to kill. If you don’t PM me a name, one will be chosen randomly.

You win when you are the only one left surviving.



You are [B]Daffy Duck, Individually aligned Looney Black Duck[B] [of Looney Tunes]

You have realized that after all of the unrest something more was going to happen. You’ve gone off by yourself and came up with a plan: You’d try to fix things yourself! If you can’t, you’d pass for surviving…

During the night, you may PM me the name of another player to kill. This kill is optional, but you may not skip 3 consecutive night phases without using your ability. Keep in mind: There are other Looney Tunes out there!

You win if you make it to the end alive.



You are [B]Invader Zim, Irken Invaders aligned Short and Delusional Alien[B] [of Invader Zim]

Now is your chance to claim victory for the Irken Empire! You’re no longer hindered by that silly [B]Dib[B], so you can now take out as many Earthlings as you want! You can rely on Antithesis, they are [B]GIR[B], and you may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you must PM me the name of a player to attempt to kill. If they are a human, your human-seeking super laser of doom will take them out. If not, there is a 50% chance of injuring them.

You win when all humans are dead.



You are [B]GIR, Irken Invaders aligned “Advacned” Robot[B] [of Invader Zim]

Woooooooooo! You like doom! Now, you and Zim can do whatever you want! You can rely on rdsinclair, they are [B]Invader Zim[B], and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are an insane robot wearing a dog suit, and people love you. You are too cute and random to be lynched. You can die otherwise though.

You win when all humans are dead.



Nicktoons Alliance

You are [B]Spongebob Squarepants, Nicktoons Alliance aligned Porous Cube[B] [of Spongebob Squarepants]

Are you ready? The cartoon world is in trouble, so you and as many Nicktoons as you could find have banded together against evil! You can rely on Imarevenant, trypio, Arrows. and derek_b at the moment, and they are [B]Dib, Ickis, Rocko, and Arnold respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are a pretty useful sponge, and can do a few things. During the night, you may PM me the name of another player to roleblock, to protect, or to investigate. You may only use each power once though!

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Dib, Nicktoons Alliance aligned Paranoid Crazy Kid[B] [of Invader Zim]

Your senses tell you something is not right… You need to work with fellow Nicktoons to figure out what’s going on! Is it Pigfoot? Or… [B]ZIM!!! You can rely on i effin rule, trypio, Arrows, and derek_b at the moment, and they are Spongebob, Ickis, Rocko, and Arnold respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You must use your brilliant investigation skills to find out what kind of enemies are out there. Once per night, you must PM me the name of a player to investigate. You will be given a response as to whether they are a threat to your group.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.




You are Ickis, Nicktoons Alliance aligned Big Eared Monster[B] [of AAHHH!! Real Monsters!]

You will have to take some time off from scaring to save the cartoon universe! You’ve teamed with some others to sort things out. You can rely on i effin rule, Imarevenant, Arrows, and derek_b at the moment, and they are [B]Spongebob, Dib, Rocko, and Arnold respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are pretty scary, so if you are ever attacked at night, your attacker will be too afraid to ambush you, and will automatically retarget another player randomly. This only works twice though…

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.




You are Rocko, Nicktoons Alliance aligned Urban Wallaby[B] [of Rocko’s Modern Life]

Oh boy… Something is wrong, ad you want to help sort it out! So, you’ve joined with some other Nicktoons to do your best. You can rely on i effin rule, Imarevenant, trypio, and derek_b at the moment, and they are [B]Spongebob, Dib, Ickis, and Arnold respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You aren’t strong, but you are small! During the night, you may hide behind someone. If you are attacked, whoever you hide behind dies. However, if the person you hide behind gets attacked, you’ll both die! You also die if you hide behind a killer. This ability is optional.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



You are Arnold, Nicktoons Alliance aligned New York Kid[B] [of Hey! Arnold!]

The cartoon universe needs your help! You’ve joined with some other Nicktoons to find out what is going on. You can rely on i effin rule, Imarevenant, trypio, and Arrows at the moment, and they are [B]Spongebob, Dib, Ickis, and Rocko respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

You are pretty good with a computer, and your research skills are pretty good. During some nights, you will be PM’d with bits of info you’ve found, the value and content of which will vary.

You win when all threats to you, your group, and the convention itself are dead.



TMNT

You are The Turtles, TMNT aligned Reptilian Quartet[B] [of Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles]

You are a group in and of yourself. You are the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. You fight for good, and now the world needs you again!

You represent the entire group of turtles (Leonardo, Donatello, Michelangelo, and Raphael). Your vote counts as 4, and you “die” 4 times (each turtle dies individually). Your strange appearance causes you to come up as a threat in investigations.

You win when all threats to you and the convention itself are dead.



Cold Warriors

You are [B]Boris, Cold Warriors aligned Short Villain of Moose and Squirrel[B] [of Rocky and Bullwinkle]

Comrade: Time no some no good doing! You can rely on Gonvick and Self at the moment, and they are [B]Natasha and Snidely Whiplash respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

Your evil doing this time lets you PM me the name of a player to come up as a threat to others in investigations during the night.

You win if you make it to the end along with any other “evil” entity.




You are Natasha, Cold Warriors aligned Partner of Boris[B] [of Rocky and Bullwinkle]

Now is time to do some bad! You can rely on Jim Force and Self at the moment, and they are [B]Boris and Snidely Whiplash respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

Your evil doing this time lets you PM me the name of a player to watch with your binoculars at night. You will see if anyone visits their house or if they leave.

You win if you make it to the end along with any other “evil” entity.



You are Snidely Whiplash, Cold Warriors aligned Mustachioed Bad-Guy[B] [of Dudley Do-Right]

Ha ha! You’ve decided to team up with other bad-guys to take down good! You can rely on Jim Force and Gonvick at the moment, and they are [B]Boris and Natasha respectively, and you may speak with them outside the thread.

During the night, you may PM me the name of one player to roleblock by tying them to the railroad tracks.

You win if you make it to the end along with any other “evil” entity.

The Simpsons

You are Homer Simpson, Simpsons aligned Dopey Dad[B] [of The Simpsons]

Doh! You’ve managed to get drunk to the point it took you this long to wake up and join the game! As well, you can’t find your family because of a major hangover. You know that some of your family is out there, but not who they are, and you may not speak with them.

You win once [B]Mr. Burns and Sideshow Bob are dead.



You are Bart Simpson, Simpsons aligned Mischievous Child[B] [of The Simpsons]

Cowabunga! You’re not sure what’s going on, but your family disappeared. You’re sure at least some of them hung around, but you have no idea who they are.

You win once [B]Mr. Burns and Sideshow Bob are dead.