Wrestlers Running Shows

[Acidburned]

I am sure i have read somewhere that Booker T has his own fed and runs shows every so often with workers lent to his fed from TNA. Can an owner of one fed still work full time in another one?

I know this sort of thing would be hard to include but anyone else agree that the ability to send your wrestlers for one night to a promotion ran by one of your workers would be cool or does the the fact that it happens so rarely in real life mean it should not be in the game?

[Stennick]

Yeah this sort of thing is a huge rarity and what purpose would it serve. I mean you could technically already do this if you create the workers promotion in the editor and then get a working agreement with his promotion. Its essentially the same thing. I can't see a purpose for anything more.

Cool idea but again I mean we can think of thousands of cool ideas but I'd rather the powers that be concentrate on enhancing some of the few lacing areas of 07 rather than adding cosmetics like this or a video library.

[DanielW4444]

Yeah this sort of thing is a huge rarity and what purpose would it serve. I mean you could technically already do this if you create the workers promotion in the editor and then get a working agreement with his promotion. Its essentially the same thing. I can't see a purpose for anything more.

Cool idea but again I mean we can think of thousands of cool ideas but I'd rather the powers that be concentrate on enhancing some of the few lacing areas of 07 rather than adding cosmetics like this or a video library.

Actually it happens more often than you think, and no a working agreement doesnt serve the same purpose.

[Moe Hunter]

How not? Worker A is set as owner of Promotion B, which you have a working agreement with. You are able to do Talent Trades. What more is there to it?

The only thing I can see tha I'd like to have happen, is the AI coming to you with ideas for Talent Trades, instead of the user always having to initiate them.

[BurningHamster]

Pretty sure that if you try to do borrow the owner of another promotion you will get the message X are not willing to loan out their owner to you.

[brat99]

Pretty sure that if you try to do borrow the owner of another promotion you will get the message X are not willing to loan out their owner to you.

True, but in the case of Booker T, he is under contract to TNA and is running his own PWA. So a working agreement between TNA and PWA would allow for an exchange of workers between the two (Booker would have to be on PPA contracts with both promotions though). Another alternative would be to find out who else runs the fed/school with Booker and set them up as owner with a working agreement allowing you to send Booker and others to work with them.

[Stennick]

Yeah exactly. Just either put someone else as the "owner" of the promotion and then do talent trades. Or put the owner on ppa's for both promotions. It'd work just fine. I'd think it'd work fine enough to where we wouldn't need it as a "new" feature. I'm sure it happens a bit here and there, wrestlers with small promotions or what not. Hell PWA, IWA MS, PWG I know are all ran by workers, I'm just saying its not some new sensation thats sweeping the wrestling world forcing it to be added as a feature.

[BurningHamster]

Well, not a new sensation sweeping the wrestling world ... it's been happening for quite a while. Pretty common in Japan where you have guys like Taka Michinoku running Kaientai Dojo but also showing up in other promotions. Great Sasuke owning M-Pro and showing up in other places, hell even Paul Heyman coming to WWF to cross promote Barely Legal was a case of an owner being "loaned" to another promotion.

I admit it's not the most important feature in the world to add, but I think it would be a nice touch.

[D-Lyrium]

Ultimo Dragon, Super Dragon and the other 6 that own PWG, Mike Quackenbush and Chris Hero, Genichiro Tenryu, Alex Shane, Mark Sloan... ¬_¬

[Dragonmack]

The game already has cases where a wrestler will own a federation, but still work for other ones. They usually take over a start up fed and you wouldn't be able to talent trade with that particular fed for that particular wrestler, but you can still sign them as normal.

Example: Larry Wood takes over Mexican Hardcore Wrestling (this has actually happened in a game) but still does tours of Japan and can still be signed by other companies.

[djlightning]

Perhaps a more simple way for this to be done would be by allowing owners, and title holders to be traded. It wouldn't be exactly the same, but I feel that it would be an improvement.

[DanielW4444]

How not? Worker A is set as owner of Promotion B, which you have a working agreement with. You are able to do Talent Trades. What more is there to it?

The only thing I can see tha I'd like to have happen, is the AI coming to you with ideas for Talent Trades, instead of the user always having to initiate them.

you start getting in messy situations there.
A) why should I have to trade off some wrestlers to use Booker T for 3 shows
B) what if there is an undercard worker for that promotion that I actually want to sign, cant, have the working agreement....


Yeah exactly. Just either put someone else as the "owner" of the promotion and then do talent trades. Or put the owner on ppa's for both promotions. It'd work just fine. I'd think it'd work fine enough to where we wouldn't need it as a "new" feature. I'm sure it happens a bit here and there, wrestlers with small promotions or what not. Hell PWA, IWA MS, PWG I know are all ran by workers, I'm just saying its not some new sensation thats sweeping the wrestling world forcing it to be added as a feature.

Well you could, but then that promotion cant be a 100% accurate depiction of real life, which is one of the goal of a simulation game.

Your PPA idea wil work as long as WWE doesnt offer him a deal, then for example, Booker T leaves his own promotion and the one he is truly under written contract with to go to WWE.


It doesnt have to be a "NEW" feature, just somewhat of an adjustment and a variation of the current promotion pact

Something to say "Wrestler A is under written contract with Giant Promotion, but is also owner of Small Promotion"

Have it where he can ask to borrow talent for his shows, and in turn you can send some development wrestlers there and sign his guys to contracts.

[Sartagis]

Well you could, but then that promotion cant be a 100% accurate depiction of real life, which is one of the goal of a simulation game.
I think Stevie runs the promotion with Booker so putting Stevie as the owner might not actually be inaccurate. Same with any promotion with multiple business partners. Placing one that is less likely to wrestle anywheres else actually makes much more sense to me. As the simulation is there to begin with and then the game takes over writing the future, or re-writing history depending on the database used.

[Moe Hunter]

you start getting in messy situations there.
A) why should I have to trade off some wrestlers to use Booker T for 3 shows
B) what if there is an undercard worker for that promotion that I actually want to sign, cant, have the working agreement....[/B]
I forgot to mention WOrker A also Working for Promotion A (yours), and owning Promotion B. It's the same as was discussed further. You don't need to trade for Booker T at all.

I will agree that wanting to sign one of their workers is still a hitch - in that case you'd have to decide which is more important to you - the farm aspect of the talent trading. If it's the former, make them a development territory.

[QUOTE]Your PPA idea wil work as long as WWE doesnt offer him a deal, then for example, Booker T leaves his own promotion and the one he is truly under written contract with to go to WWE.

Workers who OWN promotions will not sign Written contracts. It's that simple.

[DanielW4444]

I will agree that wanting to sign one of their workers is still a hitch - in that case you'd have to decide which is more important to you - the farm aspect of the talent trading. If it's the former, make them a development territory.


Workers who OWN promotions will not sign Written contracts. It's that simple.

part 1: which makes it unrealistic because in reality, it is neither a development territory nor a real "talent trade" agreement

Part 2: *facepalm*... Booker T OWNS a promotion and was signed to a written contract to WWE and now to a written contract to TNA. Dont try to validate your argument against me with something thats not true...

[brat99]

Workers who OWN promotions will not sign Written contracts. It's that simple.

Part 2: *facepalm*... Booker T OWNS a promotion and was signed to a written contract to WWE and now to a written contract to TNA. Dont try to validate your argument against me with something thats not true...

Ok, Booker opened the promotion (PWA) while on a written contract with WWE, he quit/was released from the WWE, and signed with TNA (ALL IN REAL LIFE). What Moe Hunter was trying to point out was that IN GAME, someone set to an owner role would not sign a written contract with another promotion. Besides that, Adam has stated many times, the game engine is set up to run the cornellverse, not the WWE or TNA or PWA for that matter.

[Moe Hunter]

That's right, I was talking about IN GAME, because that's entirely the point here. Daniel tried to say that IN GAME, WWE could steal Booker T away if he was only on PPA with TNA and PWA. BUT the fact is that with him owning PWA, they couldn't do that at all.

The other point is just plain old semantics.

[DanielW4444]

That's right, I was talking about IN GAME, because that's entirely the point here. Daniel tried to say that IN GAME, WWE could steal Booker T away if he was only on PPA with TNA and PWA. BUT the fact is that with him owning PWA, they couldn't do that at all.

The other point is just plain old semantics.


In that situation, TNA has to trade away the roster to get Booker T for three appearances, which in no way, shape, or form is a proper simulation for this.

What dont you understand? I dont want to have to half-ass something and pretend its all fine and dandy.
Basically your argument is, "I dont want more features that will enhance the game"

[Akki]

In that situation, TNA has to trade away the roster to get Booker T for three appearances, which in no way, shape, or form is a proper simulation for this.

What dont you understand? I dont want to have to half-ass something and pretend its all fine and dandy.
Basically your argument is, "I dont want more features that will enhance the game"

I hate when these things get personal. It's just a game...

No, he's saying he doesn't want a feature that he believes will not enhance a game. Tell me, how often has this happened with wrestlers that work for big companies like TNA and WWE? And once again, with the whole Booker situation, just set the other owner of the fed as Owner, that being Stevie Ray.

I agree with Moe, because I think it's something that could be simulated relatively accurately with the current features. Honestly, would it take so much away from the game for you to not have the feature in?

[brat99]

In that situation, TNA has to trade away the roster to get Booker T for three appearances, which in no way, shape, or form is a proper simulation for this.

What dont you understand? I dont want to have to half-ass something and pretend its all fine and dandy.
Basically your argument is, "I dont want more features that will enhance the game"

No offense Daniel, but I think you mis-read what I was suggesting and what Moe was confirming. In the situation I described, Booker is on PPA to TNA and PWA (set as their owner). With this set up, it is not necessary for TNA to trade anyone to use Booker as he is under contract to both. Being set as owner of PWA in the game will prevent him from being signed to a written contract with any promotion. The only talent trades that would take place would be the ones you (presumably booking for TNA) would propose to "loan" workers to PWA and possibly try out some of their workers. I agree with Akki that there was, and is, no reason for this to get personal....I believe it was simply a mis-understanding, and I truly hope there is no ill will (especially in a discussion about a game).

[DanielW4444]

I hate when these things get personal. It's just a game...

No, he's saying he doesn't want a feature that he believes will not enhance a game. Tell me, how often has this happened with wrestlers that work for big companies like TNA and WWE? And once again, with the whole Booker situation, just set the other owner of the fed as Owner, that being Stevie Ray.

I agree with Moe, because I think it's something that could be simulated relatively accurately with the current features. Honestly, would it take so much away from the game for you to not have the feature in?

Disco Machine, Excalibur, Joey Ryan, Scott Lost, Super Dragon, andTop Gun Talwar own PWG and work for other promotions

Chance Prophet owns his own promotion and works for several indy promotions

Mike Quakenbush owns Chikara and works for ROH and others

Steve Corino owns Pro Wrestling World-1 and works elsewhere

Ian Rotten owns IWA Mid South and has worked elsewhere

Shawn Michaels ran a promotion and worked for WWE

Jeff Jarrett owned TNA and worked for WWA and NWA Cyberspace

Carmine DeSpirito owns NWA Mid American Wrestling and has worked for NWA Southwest and NWA Pro

Insane Clown Posse owns JCW but worked for WCW and TNA, even defended the JCW title on Nitro



That enough?

[Akki]

Once again, I think what Brat99 suggested still trumps the addition of a new, virtually needless, feature.

Shawn Michaels ran a promotion and worked for WWE

Jeff Jarrett owned TNA and worked for WWA and NWA Cyberspace

Insane Clown Posse owns JCW but worked for WCW and TNA, even defended the JCW title on Nitro

Those are the only ones I think count, because the rest aren't on the level of TNA. Plus, you can't put all six of PWG's owners as that into the game.

Michaels, I think it was only a wrestling school, not a promotion. And once again, Rudy Boy Gonzales partly owned it. Plus, this was at the time that Michaels had retired.

Again, Jarrett was part owner of TNA, and only until October of '02.

As for the ICP, I agree that that way be valid, but in WCW, it was only to promote JCW. Anyway, they're pretty much just celebrity appearance anyway (at least outside of JCW).

[Moe Hunter]

In that situation, TNA has to trade away the roster to get Booker T for three appearances, which in no way, shape, or form is a proper simulation for this.

What dont you understand? I dont want to have to half-ass something and pretend its all fine and dandy.
Basically your argument is, "I dont want more features that will enhance the game"

Careful now. That's twice you've misread what I've said and lashed out at me for it.

Seriously, would you like to go and play TEW2007 for a while? I think you'll find it to be more accurate than you're giving it credit for.

Booker T:
PPA to TNA
PPA to PWA, set as owner.

SIMPLE. It means that Booker can and will work any TNA shows, no need to trade anyone with him. It also means that you have the ability to both send TNA workers over to PWA and to borrow PWA workers for your TNA shows. It also means, that because Booker is the owner of a promotion, that the "big bad WWE" cannot steal him with a Written contract.

The ONLY issue that was ever pertinent, is that you can't fully hire people away from PWA due to the working agreement.

I don't care how many people own promotions and work elsewhere - guess what? Aside from PWG having SIX owners (which is another issue all together), and the ICP having their Title on WCW (yet another very different issue), all of those things are perfectly simmable.

[Acidburned]

Booker T:
PPA to TNA
PPA to PWA, set as owner.

SIMPLE. It means that Booker can and will work any TNA shows, no need to trade anyone with him. It also means that you have the ability to both send TNA workers over to PWA and to borrow PWA workers for your TNA shows. It also means, that because Booker is the owner of a promotion, that the "big bad WWE" cannot steal him with a Written contract.



This is basically what i was wondering as I haven't played TEW 07 for ages and was wondering if it needed to be a new feature or if it could be done in the present game. Wish i had not lost all my elicense stuff, I might have to just buy TEW07 again.

Thanks for all the replies guys i think it would be a good feature if the wrestler that owns another promotion but works for you could ask for certain workers to appear in their feds.

Any features no matter how small that improve the ability to interact with the wrestlers should be included in my opinion. There is no need for this topic to turn into an argument which gets personal.

[Akki]

i think it would be a good feature if the wrestler that owns another promotion but works for you could ask for certain workers to appear in their feds.

I think this is getting into having a promotion with a Working Agreement offer you a deal sometimes, instead of it always being one way. In that case, I completely agree.