TWE Release for Mac OS X?

[ericb]

Will TEW08 only be released for Windows? Or do you plan on having a release for OS X as well?

I ask because I work on a Dell, but play on an Apple iBook.

[Adam Ryland]

Windows only.

[Akki]

Boot Camp, anyone?

[rodzillahotrod]

boot camp?

[Akki]

It allows you to install and run Windows on an Apple computer.

[rodzillahotrod]

ohhhh...i hate apples so i have no clue....

[rvd2kewl]

Boot Camp, Parallels, and VMware Fusion all allow you to run Windows on the Mac. You have to have an Intel Mac though.

[ericb]

Thanks for the tips. I'll look in to that.

[xvnukervx]

Why even use the mac os in this day in age? If your trying to run a more stable windows alternative, I would run Linux. (ubuntu, Kubuntu) which is what I run my system. Cedega/wine are awesome for simulating windows, I even run World of Warcraft and Crysis using wine.

[rodzillahotrod]

i tried linex 2 different versions i just didn't get it im to used to windows i guess...

[Lucied]

Why even use the mac os in this day in age? If your trying to run a more stable windows alternative, I would run Linux. (ubuntu, Kubuntu) which is what I run my system. Cedega/wine are awesome for simulating windows, I even run World of Warcraft and Crysis using wine.
Crysis runs in Wine? I'm impressed.

Anyway, I think Mac has plenty of merits on its own. EA is now releasing games on Mac, using TransGaming's Cider technology. (Which is basically Cedega for Mac.) So Mac is becoming more of a gaming platform, at least slowly.

I think there's a version of Wine for Intel Macs. So, technically Macs have access to Wine and Cider (Mac's Cedega), and should be able to use a similar amount of Windows programs.

Of course, I don't know how one would go about installing TEW on Mac using Wine. My instructions are for Linux, and I don't know how the Mac directory structure differs. Probably some of the command line stuff would be different too.

So...Just use Boot Camp, or a virtual machine. :) Or take a risk with the Mac versions of Wine and ies4linux.

[EricAdams]

ohhhh...i hate apples so i have no clue....

Thanks for the great post in a Mac thread!

Nthing Boot Camp. If you can scrounge up a decent Windows Lite that works with Boot Camp it's even better.

[rodzillahotrod]

Thanks for the great post in a Mac thread!

Nthing Boot Camp. If you can scrounge up a decent Windows Lite that works with Boot Camp it's even better.

what i say wrong? isn't mac and apple the same?

[Lucied]

what i say wrong? isn't mac and apple the same?
Mac computers and Mac OSX are made by Apple, so in a sense they are the same.

But the person was asking about the ability to play TEW08 on a Mac. Your comment that you hate Macs and don't know anything about them was unnecessary, as it was both a troll-like comment, but it also did nothing to attempt to help.

It's not very nice to come into a thread about Macs and say that Mac sucks. It's immature.

[alden]

mac's have there good points. I use both a mac for web design/graphic design and a windows for "everything else".

As for bootcamp, I hear it is a very good progam, never really had any intrest in running a windows enviorment on a mac but might have to give it a look.

[Michael Wayne]

what's TWE? Is that some new sim I've not heard of? :p

[ringlord59]

Boot Camp, Parallels, and VMware Fusion all allow you to run Windows on the Mac. You have to have an Intel Mac though.

I have Parallels for my Macbook. I got it specifically so I could play this game on, since it's PC based. It's fairly inexpensive and gives you the ability of staring Windows without shutting down the computer...unlike Boot Camp, which you need to shut down and choose to start up in Windows.

[rodzillahotrod]

Mac computers and Mac OSX are made by Apple, so in a sense they are the same.

But the person was asking about the ability to play TEW08 on a Mac. Your comment that you hate Macs and don't know anything about them was unnecessary, as it was both a troll-like comment, but it also did nothing to attempt to help.

It's not very nice to come into a thread about Macs and say that Mac sucks. It's immature.


ohh sorry i wasn't bashing the mac systems i was just stating i have no clue about them.

[Michael Wayne]

Mac OSX is an operating system. Just like Microsoft has Windows XP or Windows Vista. Just so we get that confusion out of the way. And for the record, I like Macs... They just take a while to get used to. And other than businesses, only people who can afford them have them.

[Jaded]

ohh sorry i wasn't bashing the mac systems i was just stating i have no clue about them.

So saying "I hate Macs" isn't bashing them?! :confused:

[Self]

I love Macs. When I first used them, it was like finally finding home. For some reason I suck with PC's. After college I picked up a laptop with Vista on it, and after 2 months, I had managed to cripple it so badly with hardware faults and viruses that it was unusable. I then borrowed my brother's old PC, and did the exact same thing. I use a PC at work, and constantly find ways to crash it. PC's are alien to me somehow.

But not Mac's. I bought an eMac 4-5 years ago, and it still runs perfectly to this day. It's a little weak now, so I upgraded to an awesome 24" iMac last month (spending £1500 I can't afford) and guess what, no problems, no crashes, it's perfect.

I now run Windows XP on it using Boot Camp, which I use only for TEW and the occasional Alt Pic work using MSPaint (I do most of that stuff at work). It works great, just make sure you follow the Boot Camp instructions.

P.S. I know a guy who could crash a Mac within minutes of going on one. I guess it's different strokes for different folks.

[jesterx7769]

I love my mac and the new operating system is awesome. There isn't a big difference between osx and windows now, only if you are big with computers can you tell a difference. Most mainstream programs offer their product for both systems (Like office) so to me it isnt a big deal.

From my understanding when i asked a long time ago about TEW Adam owns a PC not a mac, so hence he does all the programming on windows for Windows.

[NickC13573]

which one should I get for parallels? or is there a free one?

[rodzillahotrod]

well i wasn't trying just stating i hate them like the guy above said different strokes for different people im great on windows but give me anything else i suck on them. i amit i do like the features i seen one guy on a mac be able to switch desktops with a click of a button a never log off or switch accounts and that was awesome i just can't get the hang of it.

[Craig Edwards]

I love Macs. When I first used them, it was like finally finding home. For some reason I suck with PC's. After college I picked up a laptop with Vista on it, and after 2 months, I had managed to cripple it so badly with hardware faults and viruses that it was unusable. I then borrowed my brother's old PC, and did the exact same thing. I use a PC at work, and constantly find ways to crash it. PC's are alien to me somehow.

But not Mac's. I bought an eMac 4-5 years ago, and it still runs perfectly to this day. It's a little weak now, so I upgraded to an awesome 24" iMac last month (spending £1500 I can't afford) and guess what, no problems, no crashes, it's perfect.

I now run Windows XP on it using Boot Camp, which I use only for TEW and the occasional Alt Pic work using MSPaint (I do most of that stuff at work). It works great, just make sure you follow the Boot Camp instructions.

P.S. I know a guy who could crash a Mac within minutes of going on one. I guess it's different strokes for different folks.

One reason Mac don't crash much or get many virus or hardware faults is because more people own a PC than a Mac, plus Apple are so picky about who can sale them, plus you can't really upgrade them as easy as a PC

[rodzillahotrod]

One reason Mac don't crash much or get many virus or hardware faults is because more people own a PC than a Mac, plus Apple are so picky about who can sale them, plus you can't really upgrade them as easy as a PC

whats the problem of more people having a pc than a mac? why would that make it crash more? i really think windows is good but it does mess up alot compared to what i heard of linux and mac but i really think its the user's fault. i download alot of stupid things and usually mess my pc up and have to reboot it probably 1 or every 2 years...

[Lucied]

whats the problem of more people having a pc than a mac? why would that make it crash more? i really think windows is good but it does mess up alot compared to what i heard of linux and mac but i really think its the user's fault. i download alot of stupid things and usually mess my pc up and have to reboot it probably 1 or every 2 years...
Windows is by far the most used OS, so virus writers put the majority of their effort into Windows viruses. Whereas, Linux has a very small amount of viruses (I think less than twenty), all of which were quickly nullified. Mac has a small amount of viruses, as well, but more than Linux.

As for non-virus related Windows crashes, well, that's just Windows. Those crashes are why I switched to Linux in the first place.

[rodzillahotrod]

i like the features for both i just can't get it i even like the games they come with i just can't get a hold of the controls for some reason also the fact that on one of the linux i had u had to type in commands i just couldn't do it...

[macosxjunkie]

I just would like to say:

TEW07's demo works excellently in Parallels. Unfortunately its not letting me register it cause I used my order number for when I had a PC and now that the PC is dead I guess I'm out of luck (I emailed GDS so hopefully they can save me!).

One reason Mac don't crash much or get many virus or hardware faults is because more people own a PC than a Mac, plus Apple are so picky about who can sale them, plus you can't really upgrade them as easy as a PC

Not true whatsoever. The reason that Mac's don't have as many faults, crashes, etc. is that the operating system isn't horribly written, the hardware is generally better quality than what PC makers use on most PCs, the most popular software is generally Apple made and thus works with the operating system better, and is generally easier to use. In the last seven years of using a Mac I have never had a problem, which I can't say for my PC use in the same length of time. That's not to say that Mac's are perfect, but even in proportion to the amount of Mac users there are compared to PC users there are significantly less issues. There is a reason why their market share and penetration is gaining significantly and in the span of two years went from 2% of the entire computer market to 6%.

Besides Windows from the get go was just a rip off of Mac's OS ;)

[djthefunkchris]

I just would like to say:

TEW07's demo works excellently in Parallels. Unfortunately its not letting me register it cause I used my order number for when I had a PC and now that the PC is dead I guess I'm out of luck (I emailed GDS so hopefully they can save me!).



Not true whatsoever. The reason that Mac's don't have as many faults, crashes, etc. is that the operating system isn't horribly written, the hardware is generally better quality than what PC makers use on most PCs, the most popular software is generally Apple made and thus works with the operating system better, and is generally easier to use. In the last seven years of using a Mac I have never had a problem, which I can't say for my PC use in the same length of time. That's not to say that Mac's are perfect, but even in proportion to the amount of Mac users there are compared to PC users there are significantly less issues. There is a reason why their market share and penetration is gaining significantly and in the span of two years went from 2% of the entire computer market to 6%.

Besides Windows from the get go was just a rip off of Mac's OS ;)

That doesn't really proove a point at all, about what was said.

Most virus's are going to be unleashed on the Window's OS, because that's going to earn a bigger hit (Way more people... WAY MORE use windows).

Non-Virus related stuff is kind of prooved by what you just said. Quite a bit of things that crash window's were not "Made" by windows... Again, TON'S more (Programs, hardware, etc.) are made for window's. Just puts a "ton" of stress on the window's OP that the other's don't get.

It's a very valid statement. IF all you used were window's, and window's programs made by microsoft, as well as only microsoft hardware, and didn't log on to the internet, where there were millions and millions of other's with potential virus's that are specifically made to infect your OS... how stable would it be? Can you even answer that question? Can anyone?

The difference is huge in potential threats to a windows OS, compared to "other's". The other's are therefore very wise choice's to avoid "Window's" related problems. Would they be if everyone decided to switch over though? I'm not so sure.

Back on topic. Boot Camp has been stated before as a good way to use TEW '07, so I would seriously look into that.

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

Back off topic: I hate Macs because Justin Long constantly gets comedy pwned in the commercials by PC.

[macosxjunkie]

That doesn't really proove a point at all, about what was said.

Most virus's are going to be unleashed on the Window's OS, because that's going to earn a bigger hit (Way more people... WAY MORE use windows).

Non-Virus related stuff is kind of prooved by what you just said. Quite a bit of things that crash window's were not "Made" by windows... Again, TON'S more (Programs, hardware, etc.) are made for window's. Just puts a "ton" of stress on the window's OP that the other's don't get.

It's a very valid statement. IF all you used were window's, and window's programs made by microsoft, as well as only microsoft hardware, and didn't log on to the internet, where there were millions and millions of other's with potential virus's that are specifically made to infect your OS... how stable would it be? Can you even answer that question? Can anyone?

The difference is huge in potential threats to a windows OS, compared to "other's". The other's are therefore very wise choice's to avoid "Window's" related problems. Would they be if everyone decided to switch over though? I'm not so sure.

Back on topic. Boot Camp has been stated before as a good way to use TEW '07, so I would seriously look into that.

Your argument doesn't hold weight though.

Fact: There are plenty of independent developers for Mac that release software, yet none of them have spyware or adware like Windows. Why is this? Because UNIX, which OSX is based on, doesn't have the holes that is inherent in Windows.

Fact: There are few, if any, viruses for Mac. If you really think that there are not losers out there that have tried and tried to do it then you're crazy. The argument that "because there are more Windows users that means there are more viruses" doesn't explain for the complete lack of pretty much ANY for OSX.

Fact: Previous versions of Mac OS has viruses and that was when Mac's market share was even smaller. In the seven years since the first OSX came out there has been nothing. Even if someone were to make a really malicious piece of code it'd almost be impossible for it to become a virus because it'd be impossible to spread it unless you intentionally did.

Fact: Unix by nature is very closed. Anytime a program tries to change settings, is installed or whatever, I almost always have to enter my username and password. This is in stark contrast to things being installed just by visiting a website. Nothing runs without your permission, and if something malicious did get made for the Mac it'd only do damage because you gave it permission to operate to begin with.

[bigdaddykraven]

Boot Camp on a decent Mac can run just about any game flawlessly.

Parallels works for a lot of things and as long as there is no 3D technology then it works GREAT! Some 3D games will work in Parallels as well.

On a side note, you can set up a Boot Camp install and once it is done, run it through Parallels so you have no need to leave your Mac OS.

[mistaken]

I really really wanted to throw gas all over this fire. especially after the list of "facts" that just like those hilarious apple commercials, are far from the whole story, and are usually a positive spin on a negative selling point.

But i just can't bring myself to do it. :( . Now that we live in the age of littlendians and all of the Bigendians are dying their slow death, the question becomes why, if Apple as a company uses the same hardware (and except for a single motherboard bios chip they do) can't i just by osx and put the stupid thing on my home built machine?

For all it's faults, it would make my wife happy, but I am not paying those prices for a pretty case, when i can build a better faster computer at home. as has been pointed out here, and iy is wonderful for all of the mac fans of TEW, you can dual boot an apple, to run both operating systems. when will i get the chance to dual boot my sub $1000 water cooled overclocked beast, so my wife can tell me how much better photoshop is on a MAC, while i thoroughly trash her work posters with GIMP, and photos i ripped off of some page using GOOGLE image finder?

[D16NJD16]

what the hell is everyone in this thread talking about..

[djthefunkchris]

Your argument doesn't hold weight though.

Fact: There are plenty of independent developers for Mac that release software, yet none of them have spyware or adware like Windows. Why is this? Because UNIX, which OSX is based on, doesn't have the holes that is inherent in Windows.

Fact: There are few, if any, viruses for Mac. If you really think that there are not losers out there that have tried and tried to do it then you're crazy. The argument that "because there are more Windows users that means there are more viruses" doesn't explain for the complete lack of pretty much ANY for OSX.

Fact: Previous versions of Mac OS has viruses and that was when Mac's market share was even smaller. In the seven years since the first OSX came out there has been nothing. Even if someone were to make a really malicious piece of code it'd almost be impossible for it to become a virus because it'd be impossible to spread it unless you intentionally did.

Fact: Unix by nature is very closed. Anytime a program tries to change settings, is installed or whatever, I almost always have to enter my username and password. This is in stark contrast to things being installed just by visiting a website. Nothing runs without your permission, and if something malicious did get made for the Mac it'd only do damage because you gave it permission to operate to begin with.

Did you know....in December 2007, Secunia (Software inspection) listed flaws that enabled remote attackers to execute arbitrary code or gain privileges on defects in DirectShow, DirectX, Windows Media, Windows SMB networking, Vista Kernal. They found 6.

What did they find in Mac OS X? About 60.

I don't believe everything I read, so I don't trust the number's to be "right" or "exact". However, I do not believe you know for a "FACT" all the things you listed as "Fact".

In my opinion, we are comparing two different things that should NOT be compared.... To me it's like comparing two gardens of tomatoes... One you have outside, and you water it, weed it, but besides that, just let it grow.

The other you have inside, out of reach of any rodents, or pests of any kind, kept in a controlled environment.

It's obvious which one is going to have the most problems... but is it obvious which fruit will taste better?

One is out with billions of other's using it, the other's in the thousands. HUGE difference.

My opinion, the only comparison's that should be made between the two, is which is better for what you want to use it for.

Also..> Vista works very similar, as you have to run programs and "allow" things to happen by giving your consent (A pop-up might come on to ask, or it might just not work period without giving it the "OK" by right clicking "Run this program as ____ operator").

Untill one of these operating systems have even half the numbers that windows has, there is no way to compare how safe they are (at that level of use). Obviously there are no problems with these systems in those forms of attacks... I do wonder what would happen tomorrow, if a billion people were to start using them.


So for now.. These systems are far superior to Windows. No need to run anti-XXX stuff to burden your computer with, since there is nothing there for it to protect you from. The systems will run tons smoother and alot more reliable. I'm not debating that fact at all. I'm just saying they haven't been put to the "test".

[macosxjunkie]

No one can prove what I said wrong, that point stands :D

The market share argument means absolutely nothing because even in proportion there aren't viruses for Mac OSX like there are for Windows. Why were there viruses for previous Mac OS and all the sudden few, if any, for OSX?

The Secunia stuff is similar to what they've been saying for the last four years. Of course every system has security flaws but even they state:

PLEASE NOTE: The statistics provided should NOT be used to compare the overall security of products against one another. It is IMPORTANT to understand what the below comments mean when using the statistics, especially when using the statistics to compare the vulnerability aspects of different products.

BUT if we wanna play your game of comparing the two:

10% of the advisories that Secunia has put out for VISTA have not been patched. Wanna know how many for the Mac haven't been patched? 0%. ;)

[Adam Ryland]

Hey, ex-Ed cast member Justin Long got name-checked. Brilliant. :)

But this argument still has little to do with TEW any more. Closed. Take it up in the Dog Pound if you want to continue it.