View Full Version : Welcome To E-Ville (mafia) - GAME THREAD
Derek B
02-19-2008, 02:04 PM
Derek B and Arrows Are Proud To Present
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/DerekB83/Welcome%20To%20E-Ville/E-VilleDay02.jpg
This picturesque town within commuting distance of Major City has undergone recent development. Offering breath-taking views of unspoiled rural landscapes, new homes for first time buyers and excellent business opportunities, E-Ville is ideal for families, businessmen and anyone looking for the chance to escape the big city. Hundreds of homes are available now with properties suitable for every lifestyle and starting this semester is a new satellite campus for Major City College.
Don't miss out on your chance to become a part of this thriving community, contact your estate agent and see what amazing opportunities E-Ville has for you!!
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THE RULES!!
This is the code to which you will live your life from now on. Read them aloud to yourself each day, write them down and memorise every word. Likewise, when you get your role PM make sure you read it carefully and pay attention to what it says.
While most of the rules here have simply been copy and pasted from previous games, I have made some additions and alterations of my own. So don't think you can skip any of them!
HOW TO PLAY:
- All of you will be PM’d a role and your alignment. The objective is to eliminate all members of the opposing alignment from the game.
- Each player has been given a role with their own special ability. Your PM will explain what it does, if you are meant to know. You don’t have to reveal what your role is to the other players, nor will I do so in my updates. Then again there is nothing to stop you, so if you feel that it may help prove your innocence, go ahead – just keep in mind that this could also backfire and help the mafia. Likewise, you may lie about who you are if you wish. If you want to use your abilities, PM me. DO NOT post it in the thread.
- The game is split into two phases, Day and Night. The game begins during the day, and all players (Mafia and Townie alike) post in the thread, deciding who to kill off. Lynching is the only way for the Townies to kill the Mafia, so be sure to examine voting patterns of your fellow players. I might also provide clues in the death write ups, but over-reliance on those is ill-advised as some may be traps. Day phases will last 48 hours or until a concensus is reached. Night phases will last 24 hours but may end earlier if all night activites are concluded.
- All voting and discussion is to occur within the thread. Town players may discuss who they think is Mafia, and Mafia members should be trying to bluff/convince/blend in, and generally try not to get voted for. To vote, post Vote: Username (MUST BE IN BOLD!). You can also change your vote, by typing Change Vote: Username (AGAIN BOLDED!). You can also change your vote to nobody by typing Change Vote: No Vote (IN BOLD!). You can also choose to vote for No Lynching by using Vote: No Lynch (yeah... BOLDED!), meaning you actively vote to not lynch anyone during that day phase rather than passively not voting at all. You must post in the thread for your vote to be counted. You do not have to vote if you do not wish to. While I prefer people to use the "Change Vote" method to change their votes I will count any vote that says "Vote: X". However you must use the full username of the person who is being voted for or I will not include that vote.
- A lynch is achieved whenever a person obtains more than 50% of the vote or when the 48 hour day phase runs out. If no majority vote has been reached by the time the day phase expires, a no lynch will be declared. Once a person dies, I will reveal their alignment and role.
- Night falls after somebody is executed or a no lynch is achieved. During this time, the Mafia can discuss who they want to kill next (using whatever form of communication appeals to them) – if anyone at all. Abilities are also used during this time. To use an ability, PM me, and I’ll PM you the outcome of the ability. If it is something serious like somebody getting killed, I will update it in the thread. If possible though, try to PM me what you want to do as soon after night falls as possible to keep things moving along at a quick pace.
- Night ends once I post who gets killed, and the cycle repeats itself. The Town players win if all Mafia members are dead, and vice versa. Remember, this is a team effort, so if you think sacrificing someone may help your cause, go ahead.
-Remember, some roles such as investigators and protectors are more valuable to the town – so try to keep them alive!
RULES:
- I know it’s the Dog Pound, but try not to postwhore in the thread anyway. Feel free to trash talk, accuse, call out other players if you want, but if you’re going to vote, at least state some kind of reason as to why you’re doing so.
- Though I can’t force you to post, I’d love to see active participation. I would advise everyone try to check in with this game at least once a day. Things move fast and you can fall behind pretty easily.
- Once you are dead, you stay dead, and may not participate until the game is over. This includes notes found on your corpse, cryptic messages from the dead, etc, etc. You may also not advise the remaining players on what to do – besides, to prevent cheating, I will not provide the dead with any additional information than they would get if they were still alive. Of course, I’m willing to listen to your theories as to what’s going on. Likewise, I'd appreciate if those not taking part try not help those playing, though general comments on how things are going would be welcomed in the Sign Up Thread.
- Unless your role PM specifically states otherwise, all players may not discuss game plan, your role, or alignment outside the thread. Of course, I can’t enforce this, but I believe secretly revealing information amongst each other would spoil the game, so try not to do it.
- Players are not allowed to edit their posts in this thread at all, as it allows for those who make mistakes to remove all of the evidence without any effort. Since I can't enforce this, I strongly encourage all players to scrutinize any posts they notice that have been edited.
-Players are not allowed to cut and paste anything straight from the Role PM except the Role. No cutting and pasting of the body of the PM. You can paraphrase what your Role PM says but that is all.
I reserve the right to modkill if I find out that any of these rules have been broken. Please remember that you are not the only one playing this game, so don't ruin it for everyone else!
The mods for this game are derek_b and Arrows. All PMs regarding abilities, questions or anything else should be sent to both mods so that we each know what is going on. If you fail to communicate your information to both of us and we miss something as a result, we will stand by the information we did receive. You have be warned! :p
Derek B
02-20-2008, 06:45 AM
Derek B and Arrows Are Proud To Present
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/DerekB83/Welcome%20To%20E-Ville/E-VilleDay02.jpg
This picturesque town within commuting distance of Major City has undergone recent development. Offering breath-taking views of unspoiled rural landscapes, new homes for first time buyers and excellent business opportunities, E-Ville is ideal for families, businessmen and anyone looking for the chance to escape the big city. Hundreds of homes are available now with properties suitable for every lifestyle and starting this semester is a new satellite campus for Major City College.
Don't miss out on your chance to become a part of this thriving community, contact your estate agent and see what amazing opportunities E-Ville has for you!!
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NIGHT 0
The advert for E-Ville has been circulating all around the Major city area for a while now. The town’s new commercial district has been completed and a number of small businesses and franchises have already moved into premises there. Hundreds, perhaps thousands of homes have been built as the town is rejuvenated by a massive government investment and initiative.
For some people this is just another small town to try and make money from. For others it’s a chance to get on the property ladder after spending years stuck in the middle of the big city. For others it’s the chance for a quiet life and maybe even their retirement home. Others have lived here for their entire life, greeting the newcomers with their own mixtures of smiles and disdain.
One couple arrived filled with mixed emotions. A fresh start. A chance to retire. A chance to get away from all their troubles in Major City. A chance to have a real life after the difficult times they had endured over the last few years.
The short story… the mafia mole was discovered as the sting closed in. Shots were fired and he was lucky to escape with one excruciatingly painful shot in his knee and a second that ripped through his ear only because the hitman’s aim was thrown when he was tackled by an officer at the last moment. It was officially time to retire. He had to think about his family, and the mafia were largely taken down by the rest of the team, although the Don never was found.
The last of their things were brought in by the movers, many of their possessions being too heavy for them to carry because of his knee. Their two bed-roomed home in the suburbs was perfect for their new life even if they were still potentially under threat. No-one had wanted to move but they knew they had to. They thought they would be safe but unfortunately this would prove to not be the case…
”A friend of mine wanted to congratulate you for retiring. He asked me to deliver a gift to you….”
BANG!! The first shot surprised him as it caught him hard in the chest and he fell to the floor with a sidelong look to his wife. She didn’t need to be told what to do and made a run for the door but the hitman was accurate and deadly. She was almost out the door as the second shot BANG!! hit her in the back of the head and sent her sprawling out onto the lawn. He saw her fall before the hitman stood over him, the familiar face showing no signs of remorse for what he had done.
”You?”
”Didn’t you know? Heh. Well, I guess you can’t be right all the time. Good bye, forever this time.”
BANG!!
A noise outside the house startled the hitman before he could have a good look around. Silently, he slipped out the back door as the first body was found by one of the neighbours and when the police cars arrived, he was long gone…
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derek_b is dead. He was the Town Aligned Retired Police Officer and All Round Good Guy
Arrows is dead. He was the Town Aligned Modern Thinker, Philosopher and Costume Designer
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SURVIVORS = 2
4. Cappyboy (replaced Blasphemywebleed) Town Aligned Mason Leader
6. Crychon Town Aligned Mason Leader
GRAVEYARD
0. – derek_b Town Aligned Retired Police Officer and All Round Good Guy
0. – Arrows Town Aligned Modern Thinker, Philosopher and Costume Designer
1. - Antithesis Town Aligned Child of Lost Innocence
2. - Astil Town Aligned Forensic Scientist.
3. - BIGJOSH Town Aligned Movie Star
5. – Bluestar Town Aligned Doctor
7. - destiny Cult Aligned Separated Wife
8. – djthefunkchris Mafia Aligned Right Hand Man
9. - DreamGoddessLindsey Town Aligned Bar Owner.
10. – Ghetto Anthony. Town Aligned Bi-Polar Townie
11. - gonvick Individually Aligned Survivor
12. - i effin rule Town Aligned Backyard Wrestler.
13. - Imarevenant Town Aligned Seperated Husband
14. - jagilki Mafia Aligned Framer.
15. – Lostrelms Cult Aligned Cult Leader
16. - machinesxe Cult Aligned High Priestess.
17.- masterded Mafia Aligned Psychiatrist.
18. – midnightnick Town Aligned Mailman .
19. – mjdgoldeneye Town Aligned Priest
20. - Moe Hunter Town Aligned Thief .
21. – Mr T Jobs To Me Town Aligned Inventor
22. – nZane Cult Aligned Negotiator
23. – panix04 Cult Aligned Disciple
24. - rdsinclair Town Aligned Student
25. – Self Mafia Aligned Prostitute
26. - Slim Jim Town Aligned Medical Intern.
27. – supermareo Mafia Aligned Godfather
28. - TJRoH Cult Aligned Puppet
29. – The Aussie Cult Aligned Backyard Wrestler
30. – The Shape Town Aligned Nosey Neighbour
31. - The Warrior Town Aligned Head Chef
32. - THEDEMONSEED Cult Aligned Vigilante Police Officer
33. – TheEdgeofReason Individually Aligned Mafia Wannabe
34. – theoutlaw321 Cult Aligned Police Officer
35. - trypio Town Aligned Doctor
36. – Wallbanger Mafia Aligned Dirty Cop
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EVENT RECAPS
Day 1 (No Lynch) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=376986#post376986
Night 1 (Deaths of DreamGoddessLindsey, machinesxe and Moe Hunter) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=377538#post377538
Day 2 (Lynch of jagilki) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=379289#post379289
Night 2 (Death of I effin rule) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=379804#post379804
Day 3 (Lynch of masterded) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=380708#post380708
Night 3 (Deaths of gonvick and Wallbanger) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=381152#post381152
Day 4 (Lynch of Self) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=382567#post382567
Day 4: Captain's EpiLog (Death of midnightnick) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=382618#post382618
Night 4: (Nothing much) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=382967#post382967
Day 5 (Lynch of djthefunkchris) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=384924#post384924
Night 5 (deaths of Ghetto Anthony and Slim Jim) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=385484#post385484
Day 6 (Lynch of Supermareo) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=386129#post386129
Night 6 (Death of Lostrelms) -http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=386567#post386567
Day 7 (Lynch of Astil) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=387347#post387347
Night 7 (Deaths of mjdgoldeneye, panix04 and The Warrior) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=387721#post387721
Day 8 (Lynch of TheEdgeOfReason) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=388420#post388420
Night 8 (Death of Mr T Jobs To Me) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=388794#post388794
Day 9 (Lynch of Bluestar) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=389907#post389907
Night 9 (death of the Shape) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=390144#post390144
Day 10 (Lynch of imarevenant) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=390909#post390909
Night 10 (Nothing Much Again) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=391307#post391307
Day 11 (Lynch of The Aussie) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=391422#post391422
Night 11 (Nothing Much Strikes Back) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=391711#post391711
Day 12 (lynch of theoutlaw321) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=391853#post391853
Night 12 (Revenge of Nothing Much) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=392266#post392266
Day 13 (Lynch of nZane) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=392701#post392701
Night 13 (Nothing Much V: Nothing Much Returns Yet Again) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=393062#post393062
Day 14 (Death of Antithesis) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=393245#post393245
Night 14 (Return Of The Revenge Of The Planet Of Nothing Much) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=393610#post393610
Day 15 (Lynch of TJRoH) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=393792#post393792
Night 15 (Death of rdsinclair) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=394104#post394104
Day 16 (Lynch of Destiny) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=394581#post394581
Night 16 - (Death of Trypio, Escape of THEDEMONSEED) - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=395040#post395040
Epilogue - http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=395570&posted=1#post395570
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Derek B
02-20-2008, 06:48 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am on 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
You may now post in this thread as the game has started. Good luck everyone! :cool:
panix04
02-20-2008, 06:57 AM
first woo-hoo!
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 06:59 AM
VOTE:destiny
You have to start somewhere. Nothing personal and I know I'm not the only one who felt the need to get this thing started.
panix04
02-20-2008, 07:01 AM
come on give the newbies a chance. tut tut! Remember your first game, i do, trust me!
Vote: machinesxe
for being mean!
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 07:07 AM
come on give the newbies a chance. tut tut! Remember your first game, i do, trust me!
Vote: machinesxe
for being mean!
Thats fine brother.
I back you on that but I didn't pick that person because of them being a newb. I picked them because of a random number generator. If it had landed on you I would have voted for you. But hey I understand going after me it's cool. I am ok with everyone placing they votes on me cause if I have to reviel who I am that's fine.
Derek B
02-20-2008, 07:08 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
Destiny: 1 (machinesxe)
machinesxe: 1 (panix04)
Panix! I'm tired of you and your pro-newbie agenda!
VOTE: Panix04
Just getting into the spirit of things :)
panix04
02-20-2008, 07:17 AM
if the next person votes for Self we can have a chain!
Derek B
02-20-2008, 07:21 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
Destiny: 1 (machinesxe)
machinesxe: 1 (panix04)
panix04: 1 (Self)
Just getting into the spirit of things. :)
if the next person votes for Self we can have a chain!
Hells yeah.
panix04
02-20-2008, 07:24 AM
So who has some info they would like to share with the class?
Blasphemywebleed
02-20-2008, 07:39 AM
So who has some info they would like to share with the class?
I had hot dogs for lunch :cool:
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 07:58 AM
I had hot dogs for lunch :cool:
Are you role claiming the Town Aligned Quirky Leader Of The Weiner
Moe Hunter
02-20-2008, 08:02 AM
Vote: Self
We were all newbies once, you know! :P
Hmm, I think this is by far the earliest I've started into a mafia game. There's about 13 posts before mine, instead of 15 pages. Looking forward to this one!
Arrows
02-20-2008, 08:05 AM
Good luck everyone.
:cool:
Blasphemywebleed
02-20-2008, 08:05 AM
Vote: Self
I have to defend my newb-kind!
panix04
02-20-2008, 08:07 AM
lokks like we got us an early band wagon! woo hoo!
change vote: Self
Come on Judas! Lets see what your made of!
Moe Hunter
02-20-2008, 08:10 AM
Ooh, was this all a dastardly Panix plot? Luckily there's another 16 votes before lynch, so I'm not too worried about pulling my vote back right now :P
Arrows
02-20-2008, 08:11 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
Destiny: 1 (machinesxe)
panix04: 1 (Self)
Self: 3 (Moe Hunter, Blaspemywebleed, panix04)
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 08:15 AM
lokks like we got us an early band wagon! woo hoo!
change vote: Self
Come on Judas! Lets see what your made of!
Bandwagon...Wait for me!!! For some reason whenever I try one of these it never helps cause no one jumps on the ones I start so here it goes.
VoTE cHanGe:Self
panix04
02-20-2008, 08:22 AM
four votes, are you panicking yet Self? Alright Panicking is my speciality, but you can do it too if you want! :D
Blasphemywebleed
02-20-2008, 08:26 AM
He isnt defending himself as he is distracted by the awesomeness of the FM forumers thread :p
jagilki
02-20-2008, 08:27 AM
Day one.
Convo going on.
Mini bandwagon for somebody.
Vote: No Vote at the moment. I'll most likely catch up at lunch hour and make a vote of some kind then.
nZane
02-20-2008, 08:32 AM
Vote: Panix04
Trying to lead a bandwagon lynch already. We OBVIOUSLY have the Don here, folks. :p
... Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I was just playing around... I love newbies... Not in that way but... Well, maybe a little in that way. ;)
panix04
02-20-2008, 08:40 AM
Vote: Panix04
Trying to lead a bandwagon lynch already. We OBVIOUSLY have the Don here, folks. :p
/switches to NickC mode
Damn i'm under too much pressure! i am a post office worker. I have 14 uber abilities, one of which is to detect every single non-town aligned player if i survive the 1st night, unfortunatly I am vunerable to night kills and cannot be protected, i though i better shar before i got lynched!*
*I am not a post office worker, would be a neat role though!
panix04
02-20-2008, 08:40 AM
... Now you've gone and hurt my feelings. I was just playing around... I love newbies... Not in that way but... Well, maybe a little in that way. ;)
damn noobie-molesters! They are everywhere, everywhere i tell you!
Blasphemywebleed
02-20-2008, 08:48 AM
Change Vote: Panix
Self got me excited ;)
Derek B
02-20-2008, 08:52 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 3 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed)
Self: 3 (Moe Hunter, panix04, machinesxe)
panix04
02-20-2008, 08:53 AM
Change Vote: Panix
Self got me excited ;)
don't pin votes on me, i'm likely to blurt. Its how i roll! :D
panix04
02-20-2008, 08:54 AM
hello antithesis, bang go's my post leadership! Oh well....
/cartwheels
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 08:58 AM
vote:panix04
Why? Because he killed me during Cartoon Chaos and I am still mad about it!!!
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 08:58 AM
err make that
vote: Panix04
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 09:01 AM
Here I am, Rock you like a Hurricane.
I'll save my bandwagon vote for the moment, since I have another 4 hours to make an uninformed decision!
Astil
02-20-2008, 09:01 AM
Antithesis is OBVIOUSLY mafia.
:rolleyes:
I'm going to show some restrant and not vote.
panix04
02-20-2008, 09:06 AM
vote:panix04
Why? Because he killed me during Cartoon Chaos and I am still mad about it!!!
damn it, you said you wouldn't hold that against me (not the first time I have heard that!) That wasn't me per se. I was possesed by the very spirit of skeletor!
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 09:12 AM
It has begun!
Vote: Mafia Don
VOTE:destiny
You have to start somewhere. Nothing personal and I know I'm not the only one who felt the need to get this thing started.
Am I the only one surprised machine didn't vote for me? ;)
Derek B
02-20-2008, 09:18 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 4 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis)
Self: 3 (Moe Hunter, panix04, machinesxe)
I've got to keep my post count up somehow. :cool:
panix04
02-20-2008, 09:20 AM
its nice to have some GMT discussion for once! Its usually dead during the UK daytime!
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 09:28 AM
its nice to have some GMT discussion for once! Its usually dead during the UK daytime!
Or as I like to refer to it, insomnia time :p
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 09:30 AM
Or as I like to refer to it, insomnia time :p
Or as I like to refer to it, "what the hell am I doing awake this early?" time! (Even though it's 10:30 AM here) :D
Astil
02-20-2008, 09:31 AM
*yawn*
Heading off
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 09:36 AM
2 Pages already? Jesu Cristo.
Vote: Ghetto Anthony
Just because whenever I vote for him, I play In The Ghetto.
supermareo
02-20-2008, 09:55 AM
ah nice to see this has started, think i'll put my feet up for now and watch the bandwagons roll for a while
masterded
02-20-2008, 09:58 AM
Finally this thing started.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 10:00 AM
Finally this thing started.
I know right?
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 10:12 AM
Alright, it's been an hour and nothing cool's happened.
Vote: nZane
After all, E-Ville's his hometown... He's gotta know something. :rolleyes:
Arrows
02-20-2008, 10:27 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 4 (Self, nZane, Blasphemywebleed, Antithesis)
Self: 3 (Moe Hunter, panix04, machinesxe)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (midnightnick)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
TheEdgeOfReason
02-20-2008, 10:50 AM
The opening hours normally suck. It's nothing but pot luck. Vote: No Lynch
The Shape
02-20-2008, 10:58 AM
There's something poetic about the first person to mention the word "bandwagon" being subject to one themselves.
Vote: panix04
It's the circle of life my friend. :rolleyes:
Right. Leaving work now, and I plan to get slightly hammered when I get home, so I won't be on for a few hours. Try not to flood the thread, I read slow enough sober.
nZane
02-20-2008, 11:02 AM
The opening hours normally suck. It's nothing but pot luck. Vote: No LynchSo you'd prefer we just skip this first day phase, and any potential opportunity to gain some information, and go right to the night phase? Interesting...
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 11:03 AM
It has begun!
Vote: Mafia Don
Am I the only one surprised machine didn't vote for me? ;)
I was going to make "random" vote and chose you but I didn't and went with a truley random number.
ah nice to see this has started, think i'll put my feet up for now and watch the bandwagons roll for a while
See now a guy with the sit back and let you kill yourselves for the first day is either the lazy overly confident Mafia Don or an Indie guy who will just sit back a do his dirty work from the dark.....But hey what do I know.
supermareo
02-20-2008, 11:10 AM
I was going to make "random" vote and chose you but I didn't and went with a truley random number.
See now a guy with the sit back and let you kill yourselves for the first day is either the lazy overly confident Mafia Don or an Indie guy who will just sit back a do his dirty work from the dark.....But hey what do I know.
or it could be that im simply content to wait for more information to come to the fore before placing my votes as usual
Derek B
02-20-2008, 11:16 AM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 5 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape)
Self: 3 (Moe Hunter, panix04, machinesxe)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (midnightnick)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
No Lynch: 1 (TheEdgeOfReason)
nZane
02-20-2008, 11:25 AM
panix04: 4 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape)Is that a hint or a goof-up?
TheEdgeOfReason
02-20-2008, 11:26 AM
So you'd prefer we just skip this first day phase, and any potential opportunity to gain some information, and go right to the night phase? Interesting...
I wouldn't want to go straight to the night phase but unless we get something fairly concrete I would rather go for a no lynch.
Derek B
02-20-2008, 11:28 AM
Is that a hint or a goof-up?
Just me failing basic addition. Move along, nothing to see here. No really, nothing to see. Look, it was right all along!! :rolleyes:
Slim Jim
02-20-2008, 11:41 AM
And they're off... to a standing start...
Wait. That's "Wacky Races".
Hmm, a couple of bandwagons available, though the Self one is hardly a wagon, more of a mini-trailer. The panix one on the other hand is starting to build towards true wagon status but since my over-zealous first game I've not been one for first day random lynchings so FOR NOW, I'll hold onto my vote.
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 11:55 AM
Think people here have played too many themed games lately. Sure, there is narrative color thrown in, but Derek B has already stated that this is basically a barebones game, and in Barebones, the only people who benefit from a no lynch day 1 are the mafia.
Sure, in themed games where everyone has a role and a character name a no lynch might be better, as there is some risk of exposing a potential important target or possible recruit to the Mafia/Cult/SK. But from what I can tell, the town gains more by conducting wagons now then later on.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 12:00 PM
Think people here have played too many themed games lately. Sure, there is narrative color thrown in, but Derek B has already stated that this is basically a barebones game, and in Barebones, the only people who benefit from a no lynch day 1 are the mafia.
Sure, in themed games where everyone has a role and a character name a no lynch might be better, as there is some risk of exposing a potential important target or possible recruit to the Mafia/Cult/SK. But from what I can tell, the town gains more by conducting wagons now then later on.
Mmhm, when it all boils down to it... it's Barebones.
Derek might be rather creative with the roles, and by doing nothing. It gives the Mafia time to decide on who they want. At least if we lynch someone, we learn something. Anything.
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 12:06 PM
Following my curt patern I will be voting on the leader Panix
VOTE CHANGE: PANIX
Imarevenant
02-20-2008, 12:17 PM
Mmhm, when it all boils down to it... it's Barebones.
Derek might be rather creative with the roles, and by doing nothing. It gives the Mafia time to decide on who they want. At least if we lynch someone, we learn something. Anything.
Even if all we learn is that we've lynched a powerful town role? :rolleyes:
I'm still of the mind that we have greater odds of lynching a townie than we do of lynching a mafia member on Day 1.
I'm not saying we need to push a no lynch, we can still try to gather information, but I'll wait to see if anyone slips up before jumping on a random bandwagon.
Although we could just lynch nZane right now. That way we'll already know which side has no chance of winning this thing :p
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 12:29 PM
Even if all we learn is that we've lynched a powerful town role? :rolleyes:
I'm still of the mind that we have greater odds of lynching a townie than we do of lynching a mafia member on Day 1.
I'm not saying we need to push a no lynch, we can still try to gather information, but I'll wait to see if anyone slips up before jumping on a random bandwagon.
Although we could just lynch nZane right now. That way we'll already know which side has no chance of winning this thing :p
Great risk, may bring great reward.
nZane
02-20-2008, 12:30 PM
Although we could just lynch nZane right now. That way we'll already know which side has no chance of winning this thing :pIf that wasn't so overwhelmingly true, I'd be laughing my ass off right now.
TheEdgeOfReason
02-20-2008, 12:33 PM
Great risk, may bring great reward.
To qoute Myles Kennedy, "The risk is never worth gain" at least not on a random lynch like this. I would at least wait until the deadline is approaching.
BlueStar
02-20-2008, 12:40 PM
Can't we just put post-limits per phase here? Man, I've got to catch up in 15 minutes, and then there's the dreaded European sleepy time phase...
trypio
02-20-2008, 12:41 PM
Woohoo, only 5 pages to read. :) I'll go back to being quiet for most of the day as the first day usually is the traditional bickering between the bunch of random bandwagon voters and some guys who want a no lynch. So unless something special happens, see ya tomorrow. :p
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 12:53 PM
If that wasn't so overwhelmingly true, I'd be laughing my ass off right now.
What is your record, nZane?
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 01:11 PM
What is the difference between voting "None" and voting "No Lynch"?
Ah well. I ran the numbers in my head, and there is a far greater chance of lynching town than mafia. I am gonna go out on a limb and side with TheEdgeOfReason because his logic is sound. I would rather not lynch a powerful ability and give the the mafia an easier time. Any Night 1 information we can get from whatever investigator roles are on our side, and I have my theories already as to who has those roles. Plus I would feel bad lynching someone who is innocent by a completely random vote, maybe I am just too nice.
Vote: No Lynch
TheEdgeOfReason
02-20-2008, 01:14 PM
What is the difference between voting "None" and voting "No Lynch"?
Ah well. I ran the numbers in my head, and there is a far greater chance of lynching town than mafia. I am gonna go out on a limb and side with TheEdgeOfReason because his logic is sound. I would rather not lynch a powerful ability and give the the mafia an easier time. Any Night 1 information we can get from whatever investigator roles are on our side, and I have my theories already as to who has those roles. Plus I would feel bad lynching someone who is innocent by a completely random vote, maybe I am just too nice.
Vote: No Lynch
Voting none means that you don't have a vote placed. Voting No Lynch means that if the majority votes for a no lynch then the day will end rather than going to the deadine.
Derek B
02-20-2008, 01:15 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 6 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape, machinesxe)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (midnightnick)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, DreamGoddessLindsey)
A no vote simply means you don't vote for anything. If enough people (19 in this case) vote for a No Lynch then the phase ends and we move on to the next phase. Basically, you vote for not lynching anyone and going home rather than standing around waiting to go home. :cool: <- awesomeness
BlueStar
02-20-2008, 01:28 PM
I say we all role-claim...it'll make things easier. No minor villains, no fuss...and I got to go for today anyway.
During this game, call me J-H.
TJRoH
02-20-2008, 01:34 PM
Vote: panix04
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 01:37 PM
Vote: panix04
Change Vote: TJRoH
You should really include a reason there TJ.
Derek B
02-20-2008, 01:44 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 7 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape, machinesxe, TJRoH)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
TJRoH: 1 (midnightnick)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, DreamGoddessLindsey)
TJRoH
02-20-2008, 01:44 PM
Hey I'm just going with the flow. I don't want any trouble, ok?
nZane
02-20-2008, 01:45 PM
What is your record, nZane?I'm the Winless Wonder. Been in all but two games (CV 1.0 and Barebones) and haven't been able to claim a victory in any of them...
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 01:50 PM
Hey I'm just going with the flow. I don't want any trouble, ok?
I'm not giving any trouble.
It just seems quite suspicious to drop a vote randomly, and not even give a reason in the post. I understand Panix has a bandwagon, but still.
TJRoH
02-20-2008, 01:52 PM
I'm just saving myself the headache of choosing. The People say Panix and I'm gonna go with it.
BlueStar
02-20-2008, 01:55 PM
Vote: TJRoh
For a too obvious scummy move of casting the random vote without even caring...
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 01:56 PM
I'm just saving myself the headache of choosing. The People say Panix and I'm gonna go with it.
Myself and Bluestar say you.
Why not cast a vote for yourself then?
TJRoH
02-20-2008, 01:57 PM
Change Vote: No Lynching
I don't want any issues with anyone. No problems. No Headaches. No Lynching.
BlueStar
02-20-2008, 02:00 PM
Myself and Bluestar say you.
Why not cast a vote for yourself then?
Violation of politeness-rules: you put yourself before the other person.
Change Vote: Midnightnick
Sunglasses are cool...:cool:
Change vote: TJRoH
These are one of the very few moments I have some time to spare, hence "le joke", as we French say. (I'm not French).
Derek B
02-20-2008, 02:00 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 6 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape, machinesxe)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
TJRoH: 2 (midnightnick, BlueStar)
No Lynch: 3 (TheEdgeOfReason, DreamGoddessLindsey, TJRoH)
I'm heading off for a few hours to do unspeakable things to the girlfriend... like watch TV, talk and maybe even *gasp* hold hands!! Don't forget that Arrows is your other official mod around here so I'm going to leave you in his more than capable hands.
And Arrows... try not to modkill everyone while I'm gone! :cool:
TheEdgeOfReason
02-20-2008, 02:01 PM
TJRoH this is mafia. Your gonna have headaches all the time. I gotta say though you coming in a little hard on him guys. He's a newbie and really it's bandwagon vote why even list a reason. It's not as if any of the other voters have anything to vote from.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 02:04 PM
TJRoH this is mafia. Your gonna have headaches all the time. I gotta say though you coming in a little hard on him guys. He's a newbie and really it's bandwagon vote why even list a reason. It's not as if any of the other voters have anything to vote from.
You've got a point EOR.
Change Vote: No Vote
I forgot not everyone has played yet (because it's usually the same ol' boys (and girl)).
But for future reference TJ. If you're going to drop a vote, don't just vote. Give some reason why, or anything.
The Warrior
02-20-2008, 02:20 PM
Feel the thunder clouds rolling in as the sky turns from night to light...chaos to madness...from confusion to pain!!!
No longer will the mortals walk alone but the ancients are now amoung them. Learn the secrets that are plan to see and then you will finally understand that the time predicted on the scrolls has arrived!!!
Feeding the hunger inside the belly of the beast will bring to light either protection or death and once the final decision has been made only the aftermath of the gods will remain!!!!
AAARRRRGGGGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
The Warrior
02-20-2008, 02:21 PM
The urge to vote for the one who panics is strong as his female like lifestyle threatens the very fiber of mankind! Plus the machine of pain has targeted him and his aim has shown true in the past however more details must be revealed from the throwing of the bones before the death blow can be struck!
mjdgoldeneye
02-20-2008, 02:32 PM
I'm the Winless Wonder. Been in all but two games (CV 1.0 and Barebones) and haven't been able to claim a victory in any of them...
I've forgotten to say for a while now: Nice combination of my crappy, honorary avatar and the Giants winning! It's awesome! :p
Also, I'm Curry Man, Town Aligned Alias...
:D
Let the games begin! (And, for a change, I'm thinking no lynch... Obviously, I'll change my mind as usual and randomly help vote for the bandwagon, most likely! :))
The Warrior
02-20-2008, 02:34 PM
Also, I'm Curry Man, Town Aligned Alias...
What are these claims? You use the words of the PM as strictly forbidden by the masters! Watch your actions or the ancients may strike down from the heavens rendering your regions ineffective!
mjdgoldeneye
02-20-2008, 02:37 PM
What are these claims? You use the words of the PM as strictly forbidden by the masters! Watch your actions or the ancients may strike down from the heavens rendering your regions ineffective!
We are the men enlightened, and you are the fresh soul of ignorance! Such upfront translation is tolerated by the lords of this land, but nothing further or one shall be blinded by the fury of the storm!!!
Also:
29. The Aussie
30. The Shape
31. The Warrior
32. THEDEMONSEED
33. TheEdgeofReason
34. theoutlaw321
"The" Alliance!!! :eek: :p
The Warrior
02-20-2008, 02:40 PM
We are the men enlightened, and you are the fresh soul of ignorance! Such upfront translation is tolerated by the lords of this land, but nothing further or one shall be blinded by the fury of the storm!!!
By the gods your words ring of clarity that normal souls can not produce! Truly you must be enlightened beyond the understanding of the few and your future deeds will fuel the machine of madness!!!
Imarevenant
02-20-2008, 02:52 PM
The urge to vote for the one who panics is strong as his female like lifestyle threatens the very fiber of mankind!
LMAO :D
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 02:54 PM
What is the difference between voting "None" and voting "No Lynch"?
Ah well. I ran the numbers in my head, and there is a far greater chance of lynching town than mafia. I am gonna go out on a limb and side with TheEdgeOfReason because his logic is sound. I would rather not lynch a powerful ability and give the the mafia an easier time. Any Night 1 information we can get from whatever investigator roles are on our side, and I have my theories already as to who has those roles. Plus I would feel bad lynching someone who is innocent by a completely random vote, maybe I am just too nice.
Vote: No Lynch
That's true enough... on paper. The reality is, most people don't get lynched unless they have done something suspicious in nature. It isn't like we are all blindly voting and lynch poor innocent townies by accident. (well, maybe Cappyboy did that one game.. hehe). But regardless, lynches require town consensus, and there is usally some justification for them.
Besides, it is wrong to assume that lynching a townie is always bad. What is its a player who is constantly causing confusion and screwing up the game? Even if they are town, its better to get rid of them early than deal with them later.
Ghetto Anthony
02-20-2008, 03:01 PM
Just got off work. Checking in. *Goes to catch up*
Wallbanger
02-20-2008, 03:10 PM
What is the difference between voting "None" and voting "No Lynch"?
Ah well. I ran the numbers in my head, and there is a far greater chance of lynching town than mafia. I am gonna go out on a limb and side with TheEdgeOfReason because his logic is sound. I would rather not lynch a powerful ability and give the the mafia an easier time. Any Night 1 information we can get from whatever investigator roles are on our side, and I have my theories already as to who has those roles. Plus I would feel bad lynching someone who is innocent by a completely random vote, maybe I am just too nice.
Vote: No Lynch
That's true enough... on paper. The reality is, most people don't get lynched unless they have done something suspicious in nature. It isn't like we are all blindly voting and lynch poor innocent townies by accident. (well, maybe Cappyboy did that one game.. hehe). But regardless, lynches require town consensus, and there is usally some justification for them.
Besides, it is wrong to assume that lynching a townie is always bad. What is its a player who is constantly causing confusion and screwing up the game? Even if they are town, its better to get rid of them early than deal with them later.
True enough, Anti.
Another observation on DGL's statement; "I have my theories already as to who has those [investigator] roles." I find this interesting only because that's the kind of statement that should be coming from a) an experienced mafia player and/or b) someone who knows the players well enough for intuition to be somewhat credible.
DGL, you're neither of these, correct? That being said, I'd be interested to hear more about your 'theories'. I don't want to dismiss them out of hand, because fresh perspectives are often valuable and are ignored to veterans' risk (right THEDEMONSEED?), but I really gotta understand your thought process before I can really make a judgement.
Ghetto Anthony
02-20-2008, 03:40 PM
Vote: No Lynch
Eh. Just so I can say "I knew we should have voted for this person" at the end of the game.
Change Vote: Antithesis
Change Vote: Astil
Change Vote: BIGJOSH
Change Vote: Blasphemywebleed
Change Vote: Bluestar
Change Vote: Crychon
Change Vote: destiny
Change Vote: djthefunkchris
Change Vote: DreamGoddessLindsey
Change Vote: gonvick
Change Vote: i effin rule
Change Vote: Imarevenant
Change Vote: jagilki
Change Vote: Lostrelms
Change Vote: machinesxe
Change Vote: masterded
Change Vote: midnightnick
Change Vote: mjdgoldeneye
Change Vote: Moe Hunter
Change Vote: Mr T Jobs To Me
Change Vote: nZane
Change Vote: panix04
Change Vote: rdsinclair
Change Vote: Self
Change Vote: Slim Jim
Change Vote: supermareo
Change Vote: TJRoH
Change Vote: The Aussie
Change Vote: The Shape
Change Vote: The Warrior
Change Vote: THEDEMONSEED
Change Vote: TheEdgeofReason
Change Vote: theoutlaw321
Change Vote: trypio
Change Vote: Wallbanger
That'll do. :cool:
I don't really want to support any of the bandwagons right now so...
Change Vote: No Lynch
However, The Warrior's posts went right over my head. :confused: And that which I do not understand could very well harm me. Screw you and the horse you rode in on Warrior. :mad: Jim Force would wrestle circles around you in the ring.
Change Vote: The Warrior :mad:
The Warrior
02-20-2008, 03:47 PM
However, The Warrior's posts went right over my head. :confused: And that which I do not understand could very well harm me. Screw you and the horse you rode in on Warrior. :mad: Jim Force would wrestle circles around you in the ring.
Change Vote: The Warrior :mad:
Your failure to grasp the knowledge that is in open view will soon end your time in this plane of existence! Full the fires of madness within your own soul with an agony only produced in the furnace of the Abyss as I begin to explain all that should be understood!!! The Warrior rides not a horse but upon the wings of the gods as he plunges into battle to slay that which would threaten to destroy the entire known universe!!!
All that needs to be known about The Warrior has been revealed and as the ages pass that understanding will become full!!! AAARRRRGGGHHHH!!!!
machinesxe
02-20-2008, 03:55 PM
What if its a player who is constantly causing confusion and screwing up the game? Even if they are town, its better to get rid of them early than deal with them later.
Hey, hey, hey!! Over here! Yeah yeah...no not there, here! I'm right here.......... SO yeah first game ever this was me.....But hell I lasted a lot longer then I has anticipated....
I still can't believe we have come this far. It's been like a year or so since captian SB made this game a phenonmeom(HOW EVER YOU SPELL IT)
The Warrior
02-20-2008, 04:08 PM
What is its a player who is constantly causing confusion and screwing up the game? Even if they are town, its better to get rid of them early than deal with them later.
Are you referring to yourself?
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 04:42 PM
What are these claims? You use the words of the PM as strictly forbidden by the masters! Watch your actions or the ancients may strike down from the heavens rendering your regions ineffective!
Actually, that's not correct . . . From the rules on the front page:
"Players are not allowed to cut and paste anything straight from the Role PM except the Role. No cutting and pasting of the body of the PM. You can paraphrase what your Role PM says but that is all."
Emphasis mine. So since he only did the role, no rule was broken.
Hmmm . . . This really makes me wonder . . . Are you trying to get him lynched because you're Mafia and thus know he isn't, disguising your intentions behind the insanity that is Warrior-speak? Good thing I'm not one to draw conclusions, heh.
That's true enough... on paper. The reality is, most people don't get lynched unless they have done something suspicious in nature. It isn't like we are all blindly voting and lynch poor innocent townies by accident. (well, maybe Cappyboy did that one game.. hehe). But regardless, lynches require town consensus, and there is usally some justification for them.
Maybe it's because I'm a newbie, but thus far panix04 hasn't done anything suspicious that I've noticed. There are a couple of people starting to set off the mental alarm, but still not enough to warrant a lynch. I know someone will probably make a mistake before the lynch, but that mistake hasn't been made yet.
As for TJRoH, for now I'm willing to forgive the no reasoning and chalk it up to being a newbie, though jumping on a bandwagon is slightly suspicious. I'm gonna keep my eyes open.
Besides, it is wrong to assume that lynching a townie is always bad. What is its a player who is constantly causing confusion and screwing up the game? Even if they are town, its better to get rid of them early than deal with them later.
That confusing townie can be the difference between winning and losing. Again, maybe I'm too new to know any better, but I would think it prudent to figure the difference between mafia and goofball before lynching.
True enough, Anti.
Another observation on DGL's statement; "I have my theories already as to who has those [investigator] roles." I find this interesting only because that's the kind of statement that should be coming from a) an experienced mafia player and/or b) someone who knows the players well enough for intuition to be somewhat credible.
DGL, you're neither of these, correct?
Correct. I just read that mafia wiki thing that was posted in the other thread and studied up a little. I usually find that one is better at playing a game when one reads the instructions to said game. I don't know anyone enough to go on intuition, unfortunately, but I'm pretty good with running numbers.
:D
Thanks for the compliment.
:)
That being said, I'd be interested to hear more about your 'theories'. I don't want to dismiss them out of hand, because fresh perspectives are often valuable and are ignored to veterans' risk (right THEDEMONSEED?), but I really gotta understand your thought process before I can really make a judgement.
Problem is, making my theories known on Day 1 could give the mafia an edge if they haven't thought of what I'm thinking of. Then again, if they decide to kill me, I won't be able to give my theories as to what's going on, so it's a matter of rolling the bones at this point.
Question is, how likely am I to get killed? I honestly don't know. Still, given how smart I'm trying to play this, I may have screwed myself over and ensured my getting killed tonight. I have no way of knowing, though I really do hope people will go easy on me and not kill me on the first day. I'm not gonna count on mafia going easy on a newbie, though.
To tell, or not to tell, that is the question. If I tell, and I get some of my calls right, the mafia are sure to kill me. If I'm wrong, they'll just be laughing at how much of a newbie I am.
:p
Okay, lemme think on it a couple minutes while I read over all the posts again, and maybe I'll take a chance and tell my current theories.
The Shape
02-20-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't see how you could interpret there being any benefit whatsoever to pointing the mafia in the direction of people you think have important town roles.
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 04:51 PM
I don't see how you could interpret there being any benefit whatsoever to pointing the mafia in the direction of people you think have important town roles.
Yeah, you're right. Okay, I'm gonna tell all my theories except who I think has certain roles. Only problem is, if I correctly guess a cop or something, but we have a doctor who hasn't figured it out yet, that could get someone important killed.
It's really a tough call.
:o
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 04:52 PM
Are you referring to yourself?
Have I caused any confusion this game?
As for screwups, well
VG was my first game. i was the Don. I admit I made some mistakes there.
DOTT. I did a little better, but ultimately I helped talk the town out of lynching UT. So yeah, I screwed up.
Star Wars... well, we won't even discuss that.. although by my count something half a dozen people screwed up horribly that game, I was just the first.
Cartoon Chaos... I worked the role that was given to me about as well as anyone could. That game has been discussed enough, so I don't believe its worth repeating over again.
Rocky and Bullwinkle. I am really proud of what I was able to do that game. Of course being grouped with Crychon and MJ was a big help, and all in all I think the RCMP was probably the most effective town 'masonish' group to date.
Dunno if that makes me a target now or not, but I think I have matured as a player and have something to offer the town. I think my screw up days are over.
How about you?
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 05:03 PM
Question is, how likely am I to get killed? I honestly don't know.
So long as you don't scream out your role, I would think that you being a newbie, the mafia would want you to live as long as possible... they'd figure you would be easier to fool as opposed to some cynical, seen it all veteran like Outlaw, IER, DJ, etc.
The SK.... who knows. poor bastards never win a game anyways.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 05:10 PM
So long as you don't scream out your role, I would think that you being a newbie, the mafia would want you to live as long as possible... they'd figure you would be easier to fool as opposed to some cynical, seen it all veteran like Outlaw, IER, DJ, etc.
The SK.... who knows. poor bastards never win a game anyways.
Self came real close in VG.
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 05:13 PM
First off, assuming the roles were indeed assigned randomly, I think it's an incredibly bad move to look at players based on previous performances. Odds are, you'll get it wrong, and even worse, there's a chance you'll kill someone we need.
That said, I'm looking over the previous posts now and have discovered things I didn't see before. Here are my theories thus far:
panix04 has indeed done one thing suspicious. Not a big thing, but it's something. He was the third person to jump on the bandwagon to vote for Self, which gives him a chance of being Mafia. Of course, getting his own bandwagon including other suspects, in my mind, lowers his chances of being mafia.
machinesxe quickly took only 8 minutes to change his vote to Self after panix04 jumped on the bankwagon, making him the fourth to jump on and giving a chance of being Mafia. He then quickly changed his vote to panix04 once that bandwagon came up.
nZane strikes me as slightly suspicious, he seemed pretty interested in talking the town into a lynch, claiming we could get information from it. I would think logic dictates that since it's more likely to lynch an innocent on the first day, and that loss could hurt, that he could possibly be mafia. That or he's right, I'm not certain.
On that same note, Antithesis, you were quick to jump on the bandwagon for panix04 and also seem to be pushing for a lynch on the first day. Again, either you guys are right that no lynch helps mafia (which I can't fathom that being the case), or you could be mafia.
This also presents a case of TJRoH, who jumped on the bandwagon without a word, though like I said, I'd chalk it up to him being a newbie for now. Him changing to join in No Lynch could be trying to cover up a mafia goof or a way to redeem himself.
Wallbanger, I'm split on. If me revealing my theories would help mafia, he could be one trying to pry me for information. Or he might want the information for another reason. I'm not sure.
Imarevenant and TheEdgeOfReason currently strike me as almost certainly not guilty. The Shape is probably innocent as well since he did stop me from revealing all my theories, which seems to indicate care for the town, though it could be a trap.
Way I see it, I'm either so far off course that the mafia are laughing at me, or I'm gonna get killed tonight. Or maybe doing this saves me, since it would indicate that if I'm killed, the mafia would be showing their cards since I've named specific people. Who knows?
You know what . . . Yeah!
Change Vote: DreamGoddessLindsey
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 05:19 PM
Aw DGL. You didn't throw up a theory about me.
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 05:20 PM
Aw DGL. You didn't throw up a theory about me.
I don't have one yet.
:p
Arrows
02-20-2008, 05:24 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 6 (Self, nZane, Blasphemywebleed, Antithesis, The Shape, Machinesxe)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
TJRoH: 1 (Bluestar)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
The Warrior: 1 (Ghetto Anthony)
DreamGoddessLindsey: 1 (DreamGoddessLindsey)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, TJRoH)
Forgive me if something is wrong here, just lemme know. I am le...not sober.
Ghetto Anthony
02-20-2008, 05:25 PM
machinesxe quickly took only 8 minutes to change his vote to Self after panix04 jumped on the bankwagon, making him the fourth to jump on and giving a chance of being Mafia. He then quickly changed his vote to panix04 once that bandwagon came up.
Lesson 1. machinesxe is known for changing his vote hundreds of times throughout a game.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:32 PM
Vote: No Lynch
Eh. Just so I can say "I knew we should have voted for this person" at the end of the game.
Change Vote: Antithesis
Change Vote: Astil
Change Vote: BIGJOSH
Change Vote: Blasphemywebleed
Change Vote: Bluestar
Change Vote: Crychon
Change Vote: destiny
Change Vote: djthefunkchris
Change Vote: DreamGoddessLindsey
Change Vote: gonvick
Change Vote: i effin rule
Change Vote: Imarevenant
Change Vote: jagilki
Change Vote: Lostrelms
Change Vote: machinesxe
Change Vote: masterded
Change Vote: midnightnick
Change Vote: mjdgoldeneye
Change Vote: Moe Hunter
Change Vote: Mr T Jobs To Me
Change Vote: nZane
Change Vote: panix04
Change Vote: rdsinclair
Change Vote: Self
Change Vote: Slim Jim
Change Vote: supermareo
Change Vote: TJRoH
Change Vote: The Aussie
Change Vote: The Shape
Change Vote: The Warrior
Change Vote: THEDEMONSEED
Change Vote: TheEdgeofReason
Change Vote: theoutlaw321
Change Vote: trypio
Change Vote: Wallbanger
That'll do. :cool:
I don't really want to support any of the bandwagons right now so...
Change Vote: No Lynch
However, The Warrior's posts went right over my head. :confused: And that which I do not understand could very well harm me. Screw you and the horse you rode in on Warrior. :mad: Jim Force would wrestle circles around you in the ring.
Change Vote: The Warrior :mad:
Uh, this guy apparently screws horses, don't want none of them around these parts!
Vote: Ghetto Anthony
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 05:35 PM
Is DGL the female verion of DJ?
As someone who has been playing this game since the first one on the board you may need to take a step back DGL...if you think too much in this game it will all become jumbled and you'll be of no help to the town.
I for one am against a no-lynch as it gets us nowhere...generally speaking during the day phase we need to put votes on someone to get info.
Now we don't want to lynch someone quickly as we get nothing out of that.
On the topic of lynching on previous performances, while we can't base it on previous roles we can look at how people have played in the past and determine if they would even be any good to the town if they are town. If a player hasn't been of help in the past then they may be a good place to start for a bandwagon vote.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:37 PM
Is DGL the female verion of DJ?
As someone who has been playing this game since the first one on the board you may need to take a step back DGL...if you think too much in this game it will all become jumbled and you'll be of no help to the town.
I for one am against a no-lynch as it gets us nowhere...generally speaking during the day phase we need to put votes on someone to get info.
Now we don't want to lynch someone quickly as we get nothing out of that.
On the topic of lynching on previous performances, while we can't base it on previous roles we can look at how people have played in the past and determine if they would even be any good to the town if they are town. If a player hasn't been of help in the past then they may be a good place to start for a bandwagon vote.
Yeah... Certainly wouldn't want any theories out there! You're right!
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 05:38 PM
Uh, this guy apparently screws horses, don't want none of them around these parts!
Vote: Ghetto Anthony
Says the player that changed his vote 35 times in one post. :eek:
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 05:39 PM
Yeah... Certainly wouldn't want any theories out there! You're right!
I didn't say we don't want any theories...however it's pretty early in the game to be coming up with theories and talking about them considering that most of the time the first 20 pages are people just screwing around.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:41 PM
Says the player that changed his vote 35 times in one post. :eek:
And didn't vote for himself either!
Also, I didn't change my vote 35 times, I was quoting GA... Though, i probably shouldn't have quoted the whole message..
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 05:44 PM
Lesson 1. machinesxe is known for changing his vote hundreds of times throughout a game.
Says the player that changed his vote 35 times in one post. :eek:
The former is the one that should have been quoted, not yours. My apologies.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:45 PM
The former is the one that should have been quoted, not yours. My apologies.
Hehe it's ok, that makes more sense now.
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 05:45 PM
I'm just trying to participate a lot and think things through.
:(
Imarevenant
02-20-2008, 05:47 PM
I'm just trying to participate a lot and think things through.
:(
No reason to be :o about that.
Basically, you are the Anti-NickC, lol :p
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 05:48 PM
I'm just trying to participate a lot and think things through.
:(
Yeah I know...the main thing is that if we analyze everything and every post to death everyone could look guilty.
I'm not saying we shouldn't think...just we should all probably keep things and theories to ourselves until we REALLY have something.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 05:50 PM
First off, assuming the roles were indeed assigned randomly, I think it's an incredibly bad move to look at players based on previous performances. Odds are, you'll get it wrong, and even worse, there's a chance you'll kill someone we need.
That said, I'm looking over the previous posts now and have discovered things I didn't see before. Here are my theories thus far:
panix04 has indeed done one thing suspicious. Not a big thing, but it's something. He was the third person to jump on the bandwagon to vote for Self, which gives him a chance of being Mafia. Of course, getting his own bandwagon including other suspects, in my mind, lowers his chances of being mafia.
machinesxe quickly took only 8 minutes to change his vote to Self after panix04 jumped on the bankwagon, making him the fourth to jump on and giving a chance of being Mafia. He then quickly changed his vote to panix04 once that bandwagon came up.
nZane strikes me as slightly suspicious, he seemed pretty interested in talking the town into a lynch, claiming we could get information from it. I would think logic dictates that since it's more likely to lynch an innocent on the first day, and that loss could hurt, that he could possibly be mafia. That or he's right, I'm not certain.
On that same note, Antithesis, you were quick to jump on the bandwagon for panix04 and also seem to be pushing for a lynch on the first day. Again, either you guys are right that no lynch helps mafia (which I can't fathom that being the case), or you could be mafia.
This also presents a case of TJRoH, who jumped on the bandwagon without a word, though like I said, I'd chalk it up to him being a newbie for now. Him changing to join in No Lynch could be trying to cover up a mafia goof or a way to redeem himself.
Wallbanger, I'm split on. If me revealing my theories would help mafia, he could be one trying to pry me for information. Or he might want the information for another reason. I'm not sure.
Imarevenant and TheEdgeOfReason currently strike me as almost certainly not guilty. The Shape is probably innocent as well since he did stop me from revealing all my theories, which seems to indicate care for the town, though it could be a trap.
Way I see it, I'm either so far off course that the mafia are laughing at me, or I'm gonna get killed tonight. Or maybe doing this saves me, since it would indicate that if I'm killed, the mafia would be showing their cards since I've named specific people. Who knows?
You know what . . . Yeah!
Change Vote: DreamGoddessLindsey
Here is where your inexperience, at least with most of us, comes in to play. There are a group of players, myself included, who hate no lynches. Whether we are town or mafia we generally dislike the idea of doing "nothing". Sure there is a chance of hitting town, but I think we gain more information by lynching a townie than lynching no one. You can analyze who voted to kill a townie if no one dies it's hard to read in to. Each player has their own opinions and trying to decide if they are mafia or not based on play style alone won't work.
Also, I'm not sure I follow you on "he was the third to jump in, he could be mafia". Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. The first person to vote is just as suspicious as any other person who votes. Only exceptions are hammer votes and quick votes by multiple people.
All that being said, I'm not sure who I want to vote for right off the bat.
Ghetto Anthony
02-20-2008, 05:50 PM
Says the player that changed his vote 35 times in one post. :eek:
:D
Surely someone has done that before in a previous game?
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 05:50 PM
Yeah I know...the main thing is that if we analyze everything and every post to death everyone could look guilty.
I'm not saying we shouldn't think...just we should all probably keep things and theories to ourselves until we REALLY have something.
Anyone else starting to formulate a theory?
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 05:51 PM
:D
Surely someone has done that before in a previous game?
Never that I can remember.
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 05:55 PM
DGL the reason a no-lynch helps the mafia is that we don't even take a shot at getting mafia and they can pick us off at night.
If we start to vote no-lynch then they just blend in...a couple of them vote no-lynch and the rest lay back so it makes it more difficult to find a voting pattern. Meanwhile we don't even take a shot at getting someone who could be bad.
Most of the time we will end up hitting a townie, but we can also push the phase to the limit and learn as much as possible during that phase.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:56 PM
Anyone else starting to formulate a theory?
Yeah, don't post it though! Don't want to go cluttering up the thread!
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 05:57 PM
Yeah, don't post it though! Don't want to go cluttering up the thread!
Started to say something, but Kylo over there would mod kill me for it! :D
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:58 PM
Started to say something, but Kylo over there would mod kill me for it! :D
lol Yeah, gotta watch out for that! Don't want any uneccesary modkillings going on just yet.
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 05:59 PM
First off, assuming the roles were indeed assigned randomly, I think it's an incredibly bad move to look at players based on previous performances. Odds are, you'll get it wrong, and even worse, there's a chance you'll kill someone we need.
Any largely significate can in behavior or posting many is generally viewed as sus, unless the person in question has had a bad game previously, for example our dear Panix during Star Wars mafia got his wires cross with his ally MJ, which resulted in the lynched of MJ and Panix's committing suicide the following night phase. Panix was then re-entered the game and got lynched, the poor guy played female characters both time. As a result of these incidents in the Star Wars game no one questioned Panix's quietness in the following game Cartoon Chaos, although perhaps they should have given that he turned out to a bad bad guy.
On the other end of the scale, Anti is known for his chattyness so during the previous game when he was quiet people where on him pretty fast thinking that he must scummy.
Generally we tend to expect people to behave the same way the always behave and look suspiciously upon any change in behavior.
panix04 has indeed done one thing suspicious. Not a big thing, but it's something. He was the third person to jump on the bandwagon to vote for Self, which gives him a chance of being Mafia. Of course, getting his own bandwagon including other suspects, in my mind, lowers his chances of being mafia.
Panix one the scummy award for being Most Likely to Die on the First day, I don't personally don't find him scummy at the moment, and believe the above mentioned Scummy Award may have a little to do with his current bandwagon
On that same note, Antithesis, you were quick to jump on the bandwagon for panix04 and also seem to be pushing for a lynch on the first day. Again, either you guys are right that no lynch helps mafia (which I can't fathom that being the case), or you could be mafia.
Anti is Anti, which is basically all you can say about the guy :p . Panix killed him in Cartoon Chaos Mafia, so for the moment I'm content to put his vote down to being a little bit of revenge. Plus he's enjoying the fact that he can actually post this game without fear of being mod killed for going over a certain number of posts.
Wallbanger, I'm split on. If me revealing my theories would help mafia, he could be one trying to pry me for information. Or he might want the information for another reason. I'm not sure.
Banger is thinker, and in this game information is power for both the town, and the mafia. While I have no feeling either way at the moment about Banger, he does have a good mind on him and the thoughts you have offered up will prove to be good food for thought for him.
Generally at this point it's too early have any real gauge on people's behavior as people do tend to stuff around more in the first day, the doesn't however make your thoughts any less valid, and definatly something to keep in mind as the game moves along. Keep your head up, I think you are going to do fine in this game, and don't ever vote for yourself!
Crychon
02-20-2008, 05:59 PM
By the way... My character in this one DOES have a yellow tie, and he loves plant food!
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:00 PM
And DGL, for the record, I am not in favor of a no lynch on the first day.
I am also not in favor of lynching just to lynch,...well unless it's mjd that is.:D
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 06:00 PM
LOL
You guys are hillarious.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 06:01 PM
Any largely significate can in behavior or posting many is generally viewed as sus, unless the person in question has had a bad game previously, for example our dear Panix during Star Wars mafia got his wires cross with his ally MJ, which resulted in the lynched of MJ and Panix's committing suicide the following night phase. Panix was then re-entered the game and got lynched, the poor guy played female characters both time. As a result of these incidents in the Star Wars game no one questioned Panix's quietness in the following game Cartoon Chaos, although perhaps they should have given that he turned out to a bad bad guy.
On the other end of the scale, Anti is known for his chattyness so during the previous game when he was quiet people where on him pretty fast thinking that he must scummy.
Generally we tend to expect people to behave the same way the always behave and look suspiciously upon any change in behavior.
Panix one the scummy award for being Most Likely to Die on the First day, I don't personally don't find him scummy at the moment, and believe the above mentioned Scummy Award may have a little to do with his current bandwagon
Anti is Anti, which is basically all you can say about the guy :p . Panix killed him in Cartoon Chaos Mafia, so for the moment I'm content to put his vote down to being a little bit of revenge. Plus he's enjoying the fact that he can actually post this game without fear of being mod killed for going over a certain number of posts.
Banger is thinker, and in this game information is power for both the town, and the mafia. While I have no feeling either way at the moment about Banger, he does have a good mind on him and the thoughts you have offered up will prove to be good food for thought for him.
Generally at this point it's too early have any real gauge on people's behavior as people do tend to stuff around more in the first day, the doesn't however make your thoughts any less valid, and definatly something to keep in mind as the game moves along. Keep your head up, I think you are going to do fine in this game, and don't ever vote for yourself!
There is an exception about the voting for yourself RDS.
It's only safe to vote for yourself, if you are Luke Skywalker. :cool:
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:01 PM
I didn't say we don't want any theories...however it's pretty early in the game to be coming up with theories and talking about them considering that most of the time the first 20 pages are people just screwing around.
Maybe but I believe that it's in the best interest of all of use to engage and encourage new players as much as possible, if for no other reason than to increase their likely hood of returning to play future games :D
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 06:02 PM
Generally at this point it's too early have any real gauge on people's behavior as people do tend to stuff around more in the first day, the doesn't however make your thoughts any less valid, and definatly something to keep in mind as the game moves along. Keep your head up, I think you are going to do fine in this game, and don't ever vote for yourself!My thoughts exactly...
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:02 PM
Maybe but I believe that it's in the best interest of all of us to engage and encourage new players as much as possible, if for no other reason than to increase their likely hood of returning to play future games :D
Fixed it
Apparently it's not in the best interests for me to bad able to spell well :p
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 06:03 PM
Maybe but I believe that it's in the best interest of all of use to engage and encourage new players as much as possible, if for no other reason than to increase their likely hood of returning to play future games :D
I wasn't trying to discourage her...sorry if it came off that way.
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:03 PM
There is an exception about the voting for yourself RDS.
It's only safe to vote for yourself, if you are Luke Skywalker. :cool:
It's true, it's damn true! :cool:
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:05 PM
Started to say something, but Kylo over there would mod kill me for it! :D
Hell, I thought about saying it myself!
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:07 PM
LOL
You guys are hillarious.
Do you wear a yellow tie or partake of eating plant food?
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 06:07 PM
DGL the reason a no-lynch helps the mafia is that we don't even take a shot at getting mafia and they can pick us off at night.
If we start to vote no-lynch then they just blend in...a couple of them vote no-lynch and the rest lay back so it makes it more difficult to find a voting pattern. Meanwhile we don't even take a shot at getting someone who could be bad.
Most of the time we will end up hitting a townie, but we can also push the phase to the limit and learn as much as possible during that phase.
I'm not saying not to vote, just that we should avoid a lynch. The first day is the one the town has the most abilities on, and by the second day, we can have information. I just can't risk lynching a cop, doctor, or other strong role. If we don't lynch on the first day, we can get the vital information without giving mafia too much an advantage. We can still check all the votes, just as long as people try to avoid an actual lynch, you can look at the string of votes over the course.
That's the angle my brain's working at least. I've actually have a couple of "events" in my head that if they happen, I'll know exactly where to place my vote even today, but nothing like that has happened quite yet.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 06:08 PM
Do you wear a yellow tie or partake of eating plant food?
Oh, I think he does!
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 06:08 PM
I'm not saying not to vote, just that we should avoid a lynch. The first day is the one the town has the most abilities on, and by the second day, we can have information. I just can't risk lynching a cop, doctor, or other strong role. If we don't lynch on the first day, we can get the vital information without giving mafia too much an advantage. We can still check all the votes, just as long as people try to avoid an actual lynch, you can look at the string of votes over the course.
That's the angle my brain's working at least. I've actually have a couple of "events" in my head that if they happen, I'll know exactly where to place my vote even today, but nothing like that has happened quite yet.
That's cool.
You are free to think whatever you want.
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 06:09 PM
By the way, I'm keeping my vote on myself for the time being.
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:10 PM
Hmm...if we are going to vote but not lynch then why vote?
Crychon
02-20-2008, 06:11 PM
Hmm...if we are going to vote but not lynch then why vote?
Because it's our right to!
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:14 PM
I wasn't trying to discourage her...sorry if it came off that way.
I understand that and it didn't really come off that way to me at least, I agree with what you said, it is a bit early but I felt it was important to expressing my view that ever if it early we should encourage the active thoughts of a new players perpective as much as possible.
You know I adore you Josh, you're still Ki-Adi-Mundi, Jedi Council Aligned Jedi Guardian to me :D
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 06:14 PM
Because it's our right to!
I think it's guaranteed in the Constitution.
So I'm obviously going to vote a Non-American.
Vote: The Aussie.
obv.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:14 PM
I'm not saying not to vote, just that we should avoid a lynch. The first day is the one the town has the most abilities on, and by the second day, we can have information. I just can't risk lynching a cop, doctor, or other strong role. If we don't lynch on the first day, we can get the vital information without giving mafia too much an advantage. We can still check all the votes, just as long as people try to avoid an actual lynch, you can look at the string of votes over the course.
That's the angle my brain's working at least. I've actually have a couple of "events" in my head that if they happen, I'll know exactly where to place my vote even today, but nothing like that has happened quite yet.
Surely you see the broken logic in that? You're basically saying "vote for whoever you want and try to pressure them...just make sure you don't actually lynch them". So then the mafia can sit back and say "well if they aren't going to lynch anyone lets not get involved in this voting. As for worrying about lynching a power role, you'll get over that. Sure power roles are awesome, when in the right hands. A vanilla outlaw321 is probably more powerful than any role in the game because of the way he thinks.
Sure great roles are nice to have around but they'll likely die sooner or later. You can't get caught up worrying about lynching a power role because then you'll never want to lynch anyone. You can't play this game scared you have to put your head out there and hope you aren't wrong and if you are, move on an hope no one thinks you're scum for it.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 06:17 PM
Surely you see the broken logic in that? You're basically saying "vote for whoever you want and try to pressure them...just make sure you don't actually lynch them". So then the mafia can sit back and say "well if they aren't going to lynch anyone lets not get involved in this voting. As for worrying about lynching a power role, you'll get over that. Sure power roles are awesome, when in the right hands. A vanilla outlaw321 is probably more powerful than any role in the game because of the way he thinks.
Sure great roles are nice to have around but they'll likely die sooner or later. You can't get caught up worrying about lynching a power role because then you'll never want to lynch anyone. You can't play this game scared you have to put your head out there and hope you aren't wrong and if you are, move on an hope no one thinks you're scum for it.
I lived longer as a pretty much generic scum Elmer Fudd, then I did as a Roleblocking Natasha.
It's all about how a player plays, not the ability they have. (The ability helps though.)
Blasphemywebleed
02-20-2008, 06:17 PM
Wow. It hink the last time I checked ths was at 10pm. 2 hours layer and 4 pages to catch up. You people feel no pity for the drunken Scotsman. :(
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:18 PM
Surely you see the broken logic in that? You're basically saying "vote for whoever you want and try to pressure them...just make sure you don't actually lynch them". So then the mafia can sit back and say "well if they aren't going to lynch anyone lets not get involved in this voting. As for worrying about lynching a power role, you'll get over that. Sure power roles are awesome, when in the right hands. A vanilla outlaw321 is probably more powerful than any role in the game because of the way he thinks.
Sure great roles are nice to have around but they'll likely die sooner or later. You can't get caught up worrying about lynching a power role because then you'll never want to lynch anyone. You can't play this game scared you have to put your head out there and hope you aren't wrong and if you are, move on an hope no one thinks you're scum for it.
So Kylo, you scum? Seems like you are trying to get me hung there.
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:19 PM
A vanilla outlaw321 is probably more powerful than any role in the game because of the way he thinks.
Outlaw's great I agree, I've learnt a lot off him, but in this game he can't beat the awesome power of Derek's modkill ;) :p
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:19 PM
Wow. It hink the last time I checked ths was at 10pm. 2 hours layer and 4 pages to catch up. You people feel no pity for the drunken Scotsman. :(
And dj hasn't even shown up yet! ;)
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:20 PM
Outlaw's great I agree, I've learnt a lot off him, but in this game he can't beat the awesome power of Derek's modkill ;) :p
Modkill? For what my little green friend?
DreamGoddessLindsey
02-20-2008, 06:20 PM
I just don't wanna do it on the first day is all.
Anyway, I'm going out to dinner and then watching Sailor Moon and Law and Order when I get home, so I'll be back later.
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:21 PM
And dj hasn't even shown up yet! ;)
Wait DJ's in this game? *goes to front page* Huh, he is too! :eek: :D
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 06:22 PM
I'm just trying to participate a lot and think things through.
:(
I'd rather people posted game related theories then crap about their golf game or some such BS.
My reason for jumping on the Panix Wagon... it seemed to be the one with the most steam at the time. Ask around, I am pretty active in these games (hehehe) so it is no problem for me to switch my vote for a more serious suspect when that develops.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:22 PM
So Kylo, you scum? Seems like you are trying to get me hung there.
I'm not trying to get you hung, just night killed ;)
Slim Jim
02-20-2008, 06:23 PM
Also, I'm not sure I follow you on "he was the third to jump in, he could be mafia". Just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.
My guess would be that she has been reading this (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Finding_Mafia). I read through a lot of that site during my first two games and still have it bookmarked.
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:23 PM
Modkill? For what my little green friend?
I was joking around, just pointing out that you are great, but you (nor any of us) can't beat Derek's power this game :p
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:24 PM
And some of us have to watch out for two mods! ;)
supermareo
02-20-2008, 06:25 PM
Surely you see the broken logic in that? You're basically saying "vote for whoever you want and try to pressure them...just make sure you don't actually lynch them". So then the mafia can sit back and say "well if they aren't going to lynch anyone lets not get involved in this voting. As for worrying about lynching a power role, you'll get over that. Sure power roles are awesome, when in the right hands. A vanilla outlaw321 is probably more powerful than any role in the game because of the way he thinks.
Sure great roles are nice to have around but they'll likely die sooner or later. You can't get caught up worrying about lynching a power role because then you'll never want to lynch anyone. You can't play this game scared you have to put your head out there and hope you aren't wrong and if you are, move on an hope no one thinks you're scum for it.
agree here, never understood the logic behind a no lynch at any stage of the game never mind the first day, the lynch is the towns main weapon against the scum, if were afraid to use it then the mafia gets a free ride in my opinion, even lynching a 'power role' can give us vital information as to the voting patterns of players.
having said that however im not one for lyncing with zero information so as always in the early stage of a day i shall remain voteless for now
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 06:25 PM
There is an exception about the voting for yourself RDS.
It's only safe to vote for yourself, if you are Luke Skywalker. :cool:
Is that a hint?
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:27 PM
My guess would be that she has been reading this (http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Finding_Mafia). I read through a lot of that site during my first two games and still have it bookmarked.
Wow I never even looked at that. Surely that has to be for a smaller game though. I dunno, some of that stuff I can see and some of it can turn someone into Antithesis.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 06:27 PM
I was joking around, just pointing out that you are great, but you (nor any of us) can't beat Derek's power this game :p
You're all not the ones that have to worry! Derek has killed me every chance he has gotten! This guy's out to get me I tell ya!
Wallbanger
02-20-2008, 06:27 PM
DGL has clearly done the requisite homework for a first-timer and is paying attention to the thread; those are both good things. That can't be said about everyone.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 06:28 PM
Is that a hint?
Not at all. Just remembering the false claim of Luke Skywalker and the ensuing attempt to lynch.
And I just wanted to drop down the :cool:.
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 06:28 PM
I just don't wanna do it on the first day is all.
Words no man wanst to hear from a woman...
Wallbanger
02-20-2008, 06:29 PM
You're all not the ones that have to worry! Derek has killed me every chance he has gotten! This guy's out to get me I tell ya!
We could make his life easier and start a run on you now. :p
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:32 PM
Wow I never even looked at that. Surely that has to be for a smaller game though. I dunno, some of that stuff I can see and some of it can turn someone into Antithesis.
So picking out hints when no one else does is a tell tell mafia sign?
Hmm, could have sworn I have never been mafia. Well here at least. ;)
Slim Jim
02-20-2008, 06:33 PM
Wow I never even looked at that. Surely that has to be for a smaller game though. I dunno, some of that stuff I can see and some of it can turn someone into Antithesis.
The majority of it doesn't fit the games we have here either because they are too big or because the themes and modified roles affect things. However, there is the occasional nugget to be found.
Wallbanger
02-20-2008, 06:33 PM
Words no man wanst to hear from a woman...
VOTE: Antithesis
That's for complaining previously about off-topic posts then making an off-topic post.
And now that you done been learned... :p
CHANGE VOTE: No Vote
Crychon
02-20-2008, 06:35 PM
We could make his life easier and start a run on you now. :p
I think he'd find a reason to modkill me before it got to that point, just so he got the credit. :)
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 06:35 PM
VOTE: Antithesis
That's for complaining previously about off-topic posts then making an off-topic post.
And now that you done been learned... :p
CHANGE VOTE: No Vote
Bah.
I am trying to flirt here, damnit!
Go away!! :)
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:35 PM
I think he'd find a reason to modkill me before it got to that point, just so he got the credit. :)
I'm game if you want to test that theory. :D
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:36 PM
So picking out hints when no one else does is a tell tell mafia sign?
Hmm, could have sworn I have never been mafia. Well here at least. ;)
No?
I was saying you were a good player, not mafia! You're getting as paranoid as Antithesis in your old age.
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:37 PM
No?
I was saying you were a good player, not mafia! You're getting as paranoid as Antithesis in your old age.
I know. Just wanted you to say it again.:D
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 06:37 PM
No?
I was saying you were a good player, not mafia! You're getting as paranoid as Antithesis in your old age.
That's twice you've mentioned me, on the same page.
For the record.. if IER is a member of some group or another, I am not associated with him!!!
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:38 PM
Well Gentleman and DGL, I off for awhile, gotta go work for awhile :(
Crychon
02-20-2008, 06:38 PM
I'm game if you want to test that theory. :D
No, that's quite alright! :) That's one theory I don't really want to test.
Wallbanger
02-20-2008, 06:38 PM
You're getting as paranoid as Antithesis in your old age.
As long as he doesn't get as randy as Anti seems to be nowadays. :eek:
Antithesis
02-20-2008, 06:38 PM
cya RD
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 06:39 PM
Well Gentlemen and DGL, I off for awhile, gotta go work for awhile :(
Lets hope my inability to see correctly doesn't continue thought out the whole game :rolleyes:
Arrows
02-20-2008, 06:41 PM
And some of us have to watch out for two mods! ;)
I have dibs on the first mod kill. :cool:
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:42 PM
I have dibs on the first mod kill. :cool:
Damn three mods.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 06:43 PM
I got modkilled in the first Barebones. So, I think I got most likely dibs on being killed.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:44 PM
That's twice you've mentioned me, on the same page.
For the record.. if IER is a member of some group or another, I am not associated with him!!!
What are you talking about? We make an awesome team! Don't just use me and throw me away like your old avatar!
I brought you up only because you are the most paranoid human I have ever come across. You're just lucky that there were two instances of extreme paranoia on the same page.
Arrows
02-20-2008, 06:46 PM
Damn three mods.
Who'se the other?
I got modkilled in the first Barebones. So, I think I got most likely dibs on being killed.
Wanna do something stupid?:)
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 6 (Self, nZane, Blasphemywebleed, Antithesis, The Shape, Machinesxe)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
TJRoH: 1 (Bluestar)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
The Warrior: 1 (Ghetto Anthony)
DreamGoddessLindsey: 1 (DreamGoddessLindsey)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (Crychon)
The Aussie: 1 (Midnightnick)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, TJRoH)
As usual, if something's wrong, throw a brick at my head and call me stupid....er..I mean...let me know so I can fix it.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 06:48 PM
As usual, if something's wrong, throw a brick at my head and call me stupid....er..I mean...let me know so I can fix it.
IT'S A TRAP!
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 06:49 PM
Who'se the other?
Kylo over there.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:50 PM
Kylo over there.
AKA Me
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 06:58 PM
Things got quiet in a hurry.
Derek B
02-20-2008, 07:05 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 6 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape, machinesxe)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
nZane: 1 (Mr T Jobs To Me)
TJRoH: 1 (BlueStar)
The Warrior: 1 (Ghetto Anthony)
DreamGoddessLindsey: 1 ( DreamGoddessLindsey)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (Crychon)
The Aussie: 1 (midnightnick)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, TJRoH)
So... all quiet now that I'm back? Typical really.... Arrows, I thought we decided this already. Whoever can type up the first modkill gets to do it. But remember, we can only modkill people who break the rules... even the little ones. :cool:
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:09 PM
Jesus, people. Undecided much.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 07:10 PM
Jesus, people. Undecided much.
Vote: Astil
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 07:12 PM
Checking in at work, I gotta say that these are the least productive first 14 pages I can remember in a mafia game. Everyone seems to have finally figured out how to play their cards close. Even though I feel bad that it's panix (it always seems to be panix!), I think it's time to turn the heat up on someone...
Change Vote: panix04
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 07:13 PM
Checking in at work, I gotta say that these are the least productive first 14 pages I can remember in a mafia game. Everyone seems to have finally figured out how to play their cards close. Even though I feel bad that it's panix (it always seems to be panix!), I think it's time to turn the heat up on someone...
Change Vote: panix04
You think this is slow? You should see the game I'm modding right now.
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 07:14 PM
You think this is slow? You should see the game I'm modding right now.
You think the game you're modding right now is slow? You should attempt communication with some of the guests I have in this hotel right now! :D
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:14 PM
Vote: Astil
Vote:Derek_b
Change Vote: Arrows
Change Vote: i effin rule
Change Vote: Panix04
Change Vote: Astil
Change Vote: DreamGoddessLindsey
Mr T Jobs To Me
02-20-2008, 07:17 PM
Vote:Derek_b
Change Vote: Arrows
Change Vote: i effin rule
Change Vote: Panix04
Change Vote: Astil
Change Vote: DreamGoddessLindsey
Random fact about this post: There were 3 instances where Astil could have forgotten the space between his colon and the person he was voting for and generated a smiley. Astil did so 1 of the 3 possible times. Thus, Astil's "Failure at Life" ratio is 33%.
Ok back to work before the guy with the whip notices I'm gone!
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:19 PM
Random fact about this post: There were 3 instances where Astil could have forgotten the space between his colon and the person he was voting for and generated a smiley. Astil did so 1 of the 3 possible times. Thus, Astil's "Failure at Life" ratio is 33%.
Ok back to work before the guy with the whip notices I'm gone!
This post is going on my facebook page. Just so you know. It is that awesome.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 07:25 PM
You think this is slow? You should see the game I'm modding right now.
Seriously.
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:31 PM
Mafia
Very Suspicious
Suspicious
Trusted
Town
1. Antithesis
[COLOR="Blue"]2. Astil
3. BIGJOSH
4. Blasphemywebleed
5. Bluestar
6. Crychon
7. destiny
8. djthefunkchris
9. DreamGoddessLindsey
10. Ghetto Anthony
11. gonvick
12. i effin rule
13. Imarevenant
14. jagilki
15. Lostrelms
16. machinesxe
17. masterded
18. midnightnick
19. mjdgoldeneye
20. Moe Hunter
21. Mr T Jobs To Me
22. nZane
23. panix04
24. rdsinclair
25. Self
26. Slim Jim
27. supermareo
28. TJRoH
29. The Aussie
30. The Shape
31. The Warrior
32. THEDEMONSEED
33. TheEdgeofReason
34. theoutlaw321
35. trypio
36. Wallbanger
Population 18,002. 2 individuals perchance?
Mafia of most likely 6-8, split between 1 and 3 groups.
The percent of us catching scum is as good as my failure at life ratio.
I honestly don't know who to vote for right now. Panix just doesn't seem fair, and anyway he's day 2 lynch.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 07:35 PM
Mafia
Very Suspicious
Suspicious
Trusted
Town
Population 18,002. 2 individuals perchance?
Mafia of most likely 6-8, split between 1 and 3 groups.
The percent of us catching scum is as good as my failure at life ratio.
I honestly don't know who to vote for right now. Panix just doesn't seem fair, and anyway he's day 2 lynch.
Really early for one of those lists... Especially considering all you did was said you're "town", and pointed out a few people you as a bit more suspicious than others...
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 07:38 PM
If anyone wants to do a random vote for pressure, I did a random list and this is the results.
1. 14. jagilki
2. 9. DreamGoddessLindsey
3. 21. Mr T Jobs To Me
4. 19. mjdgoldeneye
5. 26. Slim Jim
6. 7. destiny
7. 5. Bluestar
8. 8. djthefunkchris
9. 31. The Warrior
10. 18. midnightnick
11. 15. Lostrelms
12. 28. TJRoH
13. 23. panix04
14. 29. The Aussie
15. 13. Imarevenant
16. 30. The Shape
17. 12. i effin rule
18. 1. Antithesis
19. 24. rdsinclair
20. 27. supermareo
21. 33. TheEdgeofReason
22. 36. Wallbanger
23. 11. gonvick
24. 35. trypio
25. 22. nZane
26. 16. machinesxe
27. 25. Self
28. 6. Crychon
29. 2. Astil
30. 20. Moe Hunter
31. 32. THEDEMONSEED
32. 3. BIGJOSH
33. 4. Blasphemywebleed
34. 10. Ghetto Anthony
35. 34. theoutlaw321
36. 17. masterded
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:38 PM
Really early for one of those lists... Especially considering all you did was said you're "town", and pointed out a few people you as a bit more suspicious than others...
*shrug* Never to early to throw thoughts out there. Plus everyone can easily go back and view my ideas. Like an encyclopedia of my suspicions.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 07:43 PM
*shrug* Never to early to throw thoughts out there. Plus everyone can easily go back and view my ideas. Like an encyclopedia of my suspicions.
You're right... It's not, but you didn't really give any thoughts, you just gave a list with a couple of the colors of names changed. Also, jumping out there and putting out a list for the sole purpose of saying "Hey guys! Look at me! I'm a townie!" This early in the game... Piques my interest, I guess you could say.
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:44 PM
You're right... It's not, but you didn't really give any thoughts, you just gave a list with a couple of the colors of names changed. Also, jumping out there and putting out a list for the sole purpose of saying "Hey guys! Look at me! I'm a townie!" This early in the game... Piques my interest, I guess you could say.
It's for the future. Trust me.
Crychon
02-20-2008, 07:45 PM
It's for the future. Trust me.
I'll believe it's for the future... As for the 2nd part... No way, Jose!
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 07:46 PM
I just love how I'm very suspicious.
The Aussie
02-20-2008, 07:47 PM
Sup all.
Let us get on with this.
Panix04 can never get a break eh? it's probably because he'll Panix it up in the first couple of days but still.
The Aussie
02-20-2008, 07:48 PM
Oh yes, it is a huge shame that Jim Force isn't taking part.
The debates between him and Warrior would be hilarious
Derek B
02-20-2008, 07:56 PM
I think there's a rule that says Jim Force and The Warrior aren't allowed in the same place for fear of the universe imploding or Mr T and Chuck Norris forming a doomsday tag team against them. I just couldn't live through that fallout, it wouldn't bs possible.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 07:59 PM
I think there's a rule that says Jim Force and The Warrior aren't allowed in the same place for fear of the universe imploding or Mr T and Chuck Norris forming a doomsday tag team against them. I just couldn't live through that fallout, it wouldn't bs possible.
That or the same person with 2 accounts being in the game. I'm sure it's one of the two.
Astil
02-20-2008, 07:59 PM
I'll believe it's for the future... As for the 2nd part... No way, Jose!
My name's Nikk
I just love how I'm very suspicious.
Quiet Gannon
Crychon
02-20-2008, 08:01 PM
My name's Nikk
That's nice... Still don't trust you!
Astil
02-20-2008, 08:03 PM
I think there's a rule that says Jim Force and The Warrior aren't allowed in the same place for fear of the universe imploding or Mr T and Chuck Norris forming a doomsday tag team against them. I just couldn't live through that fallout, it wouldn't bs possible.
Are you on Facebook?
Astil
02-20-2008, 08:04 PM
That's nice... Still don't trust you!
Ok. Then will you trust me if I do THIS *takes lunch money*
Crychon
02-20-2008, 08:06 PM
Ok. Then will you trust me if I do THIS *takes lunch money*
Yeah... The only people I really trust have stolen my lunch money.
Derek B
02-20-2008, 08:07 PM
That or the same person with 2 accounts being in the game. I'm sure it's one of the two.
Well... could be that I suppose. It's certainly a possibility...
Are you on Facebook?
Only if I haven't been thrown off. I never use my facebook, it annoys me. Dunno why though, it just does.
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 08:08 PM
My name's Nikk
Quiet Gannon
It's 1 N!
Ganon.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 08:13 PM
Only if I haven't been thrown off. I never use my facebook, it annoys me. Dunno why though, it just does.
Maybe because it sucks?
Astil
02-20-2008, 08:19 PM
It's 1 N!
Ganon.
Change Vote: midnightnick
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 08:21 PM
Change Vote: midnightnick
Change Vote: Astil
Astil
02-20-2008, 08:24 PM
Change Vote: Astil
Change Vote: Astil
C'mon it's a wagon!
Derek B
02-20-2008, 08:24 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 7 (Self, nZane, BlasphemyWeBleed, Antithesis, The Shape, machinesxe, Mr T Jobs To Me)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
TJRoH: 1 (BlueStar)
The Warrior: 1 (Ghetto Anthony)
DreamGoddessLindsey: 1 (DreamGoddessLindsey)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (Crychon)
Astil: 3 (I effin rule, midnightnick, Astil)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, TJRoH)
I'm off to bed. Once again I leave you in the capable (of killing) hands of Arrows. Try not to get yourself modkilled if you can help it. Familiarise yourself with the rules on the first page and... come up with other strategies. G'night all! :cool:
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 08:26 PM
Change Vote: Astil
C'mon it's a wagon!
Apparently 3rd person to join a bandwagon is scum. Add that to the view of voting for yourself and you're probably the Don.
Astil
02-20-2008, 08:37 PM
Apparently 3rd person to join a bandwagon is scum. Add that to the view of voting for yourself and you're probably the Don.
Oh shiz, glad I'm voting for myself then.
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 10:08 PM
Apparently 3rd person to join a bandwagon is scum. Add that to the view of voting for yourself and you're probably the Don.
Damn you beat me too it, I was gonna say that! :p :D
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 10:22 PM
Hmm, things got quite around here.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 10:25 PM
Hmm, things got quite around here.
I think it's contagious.
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 10:25 PM
I think it's contagious.
lol
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 10:27 PM
lol
Oddly enough though, I think there was more action over there in the last 2 hours than there was here.
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 10:40 PM
Oddly enough though, I think there was more action over there in the last 2 hours than there was here.
Now that is funny. *go's to check it out*
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 10:42 PM
Well seeing as it's the first day and we need to bandwagon someone and Panix just doesn't seem fair...
you voted for yourself...
Vote: Astil
Midnightnick
02-20-2008, 10:46 PM
I'm heading to sleep E-Ville Citizens.
Cya'll in the morrow.
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 10:48 PM
In completely unrelated to this thread news...
It looks like my wife and I are getting a ****er Spaniel puppy. It is a 14 week old black male ****er...best of all...it's FREE!!!
Anyone had any past experiences with ****er Spaniel's.
i effin rule
02-20-2008, 10:51 PM
In completely unrelated to this thread news...
It looks like my wife and I are getting a ****er Spaniel puppy. It is a 14 week old black male ****er...best of all...it's FREE!!!
Anyone had any past experiences with ****er Spaniel's.
lol please tell me I'm not the only one who was dying of laughter because of the censors.
theoutlaw321
02-20-2008, 10:53 PM
lol please tell me I'm not the only one who was dying of laughter because of the censors.
Was going to make mention of the fact that it happened three times in one paragraph!
BIGJOSH
02-20-2008, 10:53 PM
lol please tell me I'm not the only one who was dying of laughter because of the censors.
that's awesome...I didn't even see that when I posted it
rdsinclair
02-20-2008, 10:54 PM
lol please tell me I'm not the only one who was dying of laughter because of the censors.
You aren't the only one dying of laughter because of the censors.
Excuse me but I have to go find something to clean my screen with.
Arrows
02-20-2008, 11:00 PM
It is now Day Phase. You have until 1PM on 22nd February (GMT) or 8am 22nd February (EST) to lynch. With 36 people remaining it is 19 to lynch.
panix04: 7 (Self, nZane, Blasphemywebleed, Antithesis, The Shape, Machinesxe, Mr T Jobs To Me)
Self: 2 (Moe Hunter, panix04)
TJRoH: 1 (Bluestar)
The Warrior: 1 (Ghetto Anthony)
DreamGoddessLindsey: 1 (DreamGoddessLindsey)
Ghetto Anthony: 1 (Crychon)
Astil: 4 (i effin rule, Midnightnick, Astil, BIGJOSH)
No Lynch: 2 (TheEdgeOfReason, TJRoH)
THEDEMONSEED
02-20-2008, 11:07 PM
vote:bigjosh
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