Video Game Mafia 2 Game Thread

[moon_lit_tears]

I think I've seen enough times where a "non town" result being followed blindly would've been a very big mistake, and I find it interesting so many people are willing to just blindly leap to this lynch.

Ok. Again, what do you think we should do today? Who would you look at?

[Arrows]

Ok. Again, what do you think we should do today? Who would you look at?

I don't really have much to contribute there. Nobody's really giving much yet, and I have no knowledge from night phases to go on. Take a vet willing to blindly lynch someone based on that result, I'd say that's as good a place as any to start questioning.

[moon_lit_tears]

I don't really have much to contribute there. Nobody's really giving much yet, and I have no knowledge from night phases to go on. Take a vet willing to blindly lynch someone based on that result, I'd say that's as good a place as any to start questioning.

Knowing SF and his play, do you trust him?

[Arrows]

Knowing SF and his play, do you trust him?

I see no reason to not trust him. I don't think he'd be the type to make that play as scum.

[BlueStar]

Also, sorry for doublepost.

Despite him being silenced, I've been informed that Zeel is NOT Axis of Eviltown aligned.

Discuss.

@ zeel: we had 3 kills last night and only one kill this night. Theres a lazer beam that chased off a killer (Im CHARGIN UP MAH LAZAER)

But the other NK is missing. Zeel was silenced so maybe he was blocked from killing as usually silencing is also a roleblock:
This + SFs results equals probable scum.
@gonvick: ive made indy roles with the same win condition as town, your point? i was just surprised at him, thats all.

We don't have to lynch him just yet though, we've all the wasted time in the game so far a bit of discussion won't do any harm. We've got a lot of time left.

Reading through the thread, I'm amazed at how little discussion there has been so far.

Out of the people who haven't posted yet, one jumps out at me.

I'll definitely put a vote on Zeel if need be, but for now, let's see if we can wake someone else:

Vote: djthefunkchris

Again, this is just something that stuck out at me in reading the thread, as he usually doesn't go very long without a post.

His last post on the board was 1-26-11, which is 3 days after the game started.

Knowing SF and his play, do you trust him?

I see no reason to not trust him. I don't think he'd be the type to make that play as scum.

The above tower of posts sum up my feeling here. No issues with voting on Zeel1 as the silencer/blocker probably knocked out scum here.

But I do agree that we need to get some more discussion in here.

[Prophet]

It is Evilday 3. With 29 players, it is 15 for majority. You have until 9:00 PM EST Monday January 31st to reach a majority

Zeel1 - 10 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride)

ShadowedFlames - 1 (Paws7297)

djthefunkchris - 1 Crychon

Any errors that may or may not have occurred should be raised with the Society Leery of All thing Prophet ... or S.L.A.P.

(I admit it, it's a stretch, but it's 2:30, and my brain went to sleep an hour ago. lol)

[ShadowedFlames]

@Ken. Yes there are paranoid investigative, but SF hS played enough to spot that. I Also assume he got a town result night 1 or that name would have been given too. If he is paranoid....well there you go.

@bak..I agree silenced or not. Giving another night to possibly kill is not an option I am comfortable with.

Bringing this up for a second. As I stated, I have no cause to believe my results to not be accurate.

If, however, I am wrong and my results are backwards, then Paws would be next, as she came back AoE aligned on N-1.

I just want to throw this out there in the event of shenanigans, as I'm fully aware that investigators who lead a mislynch are likely not to be listened to for the remainder of the game. It's a simple matter of disclosure. That said, I still believe Zeel, silenced or no, should swing today.

Crychon brings up a good point as well regarding DJ. I know that life could have interfered--with more wintry precip coming in the next day or two, I know all too well--but this length of silence worries me.

Finally... @Arrows: We're still waiting for your ridiculous claim of the game. :p

[Tha Black Phenom]

Caught up for the most part.

Bringing this up for a second. As I stated, I have no cause to believe my results to not be accurate.

If, however, I am wrong and my results are backwards, then Paws would be next, as she came back AoE aligned on N-1.

Well there we go, we have an option. Now I'd be more inclined to lynch Zeel as it would give us answers regardless.

Overall though, before that I admit I would've been reluctant in lynching Zeel, at least so quickly. We should at least consider other leads(which I'm glad some are doing) and relying on Zeel for our backdoor lynch.

[BlueStar]

Vote: Zeel1

The lead seems solid enough. Probably won't be online before the deadline.

[Waghlon]

Vote: Zeel1

I guess...

[Jaded]

Vote: Zeel 1

Seems like the way to go, even if he IS silenced.

[Astil]

It is Evilday 3. With 29 players, it is 15 for majority. You have until 9:00 PM EST Monday January 31st to reach a majority

Zeel1 - 13 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride, BlueStar, waghlon, Jaded)

ShadowedFlames - 1 (Paws7297)

djthefunkchris - 1 (Crychon)

[Dragonmack]

That should put Zeel1 at L-2 I think thats a good place to hold for the next few hours. We still have 10 hours till end of phase.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Crychon brings up a good point as well regarding DJ. I know that life could have interfered--with more wintry precip coming in the next day or two, I know all too well--but this length of silence worries me.

I'd be more concerned about DJ if his activity was spotty rather than flat-out silent. The latter could solely be issue-related.

[Arrows]

Zeel1 - 13 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride, BlueStar, waghlon, Jaded)

Does it not irk anyone else to see names like Trypio, Blue, and Nick, on a list of people willing to lynch someone without giving the person a chance to answer a single question?

Do I really have to start pointing out ways this could be a completely idiotic move? Way too many people are willing to do this. Not all of you have everyone's best interest in mind when doing so. No way this many people are willing to do this.

[moon_lit_tears]

Zeel1 - 13 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride, BlueStar, waghlon, Jaded)

Does it not irk anyone else to see names like Trypio, Blue, and Nick, on a list of people willing to lynch someone without giving the person a chance to answer a single question?

Do I really have to start pointing out ways this could be a completely idiotic move? Way too many people are willing to do this. Not all of you have everyone's best interest in mind when doing so. No way this many people are willing to do this.

Yes it could turn out not good. So instead of just pointing it out, why not give a direction. Where would you like the phase to go today? What would you like see happen?

[Arrows]

Yes it could turn out not good. So instead of just pointing it out, why not give a direction. Where would you like the phase to go today? What would you like see happen?

No clue what I'd do, honestly. Not enough to really push anyone else at the moment. I'd keep an eye on the guys who'd usually agree with me on this issue, but aren't.

[praguepride]

So, you would rather a no lynch then to trust an investigator who caught a result N2?

What's the matter, we getting too close to you and your scum buddies? You know when he swings up and turns up scum...er... not scum you'll be next in line?

I look forward to hearing you claim Carbon Rod, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Inanimate Rod of Pure Evil

[moon_lit_tears]

You know when he swings up and turns up scum...er... not scum you'll be next in line?


See I hate this line right here.

I'm one for going on feeling. They are usually wrong, and I hear this ALOT. I don't agree with this to a point. Maybe Arrows has a vibe of goodness from Zeel, Maybe they are scummates. Maybe Zeel is town, Arrows is trying to pretend he's town. We won't know. Saying this though makes things a bit harder on town because now if Zeel does turn out AoE instead of looking at Paws people will be focused on Arrows. I don't like it one bit.

[Waghlon]

So, you would rather a no lynch then to trust an investigator who caught a result N2?


Invader Zim.

[Arrows]

See I hate this line right here.

I'm one for going on feeling. They are usually wrong, and I hear this ALOT. I don't agree with this to a point. Maybe Arrows has a vibe of goodness from Zeel, Maybe they are scummates. Maybe Zeel is town, Arrows is trying to pretend he's town. We won't know. Saying this though makes things a bit harder on town because now if Zeel does turn out AoE instead of looking at Paws people will be focused on Arrows. I don't like it one bit.

The thing is, it's not even Zeel I'm getting anything on. I'll give you the fact that there's at least an 83% chance Zeel's scum and this is a good play. That said, I can remember way too many times lynching for just that result would've been brutal to the town.

My gut says this many people shouldn't be on this lynch based solely on that result. It feels like the scum know they just got handed an early birthday gift they're not about to let slip by.

[The Rock 13]

Vote: Zeel1

Scum result, is a scum result, regardless of him being silenced or not.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Personally I wouldn't mind waiting for DJ to come and explain himself. But it's not like we have to wait at the very last hour of the phase either. Either way, it seems we have a silver lining in regards to this lynch so I won't be surprised to see those votes fly in.

[moon_lit_tears]

Change vote: No vote...

I'm down for the lynch, buut not wanting to waste phase time by rushing a lynch.

[moon_lit_tears]

Oh dear god help me....

Change vote: Zeel. I thought it was Sunday. I hate being sick. So much on my mind right now.

Might as well let the lynch go.

[ShadowedFlames]

Unofficial count is L-1.

Arrows, heaven knows that I think you're a capable player and all, but you seem too paranoid for what is essentially Day Two.

Is there a chance of shenanigans? Yeah...BUT far less likely with such a wider field of players. If I had gotten nothing until Day Five or so, and the field was half of what. It is, then I could see the justification of paranoia.

I'm not sure if I'm liking this tone from you so early on.

[MichiganHero]

VOTE : Zeel1

Sorry brah but the evidence is staked up against you.

[Arrows]

Unofficial count is L-1.

Arrows, heaven knows that I think you're a capable player and all, but you seem too paranoid for what is essentially Day Two.

Is there a chance of shenanigans? Yeah...BUT far less likely with such a wider field of players. If I had gotten nothing until Day Five or so, and the field was half of what. It is, then I could see the justification of paranoia.

I'm not sure if I'm liking this tone from you so early on.

I don't like the idea of him not getting to say a word. What if he was...*insert limitless list of possibilities here*.

I'd give up one day phase early game happily before I'd give up what could be a role and player worth keeping around.

[TheKenwyne]

VOTE : Zeel1

Sorry brah but the evidence is staked up against you.

That's a lynch. I'm around with my vote should this not be enough - I may have personal reservations but if more experienced players want him gone who am I to argue?

[Arrows]

That's a lynch. I'm around with my vote should this not be enough - I may have personal reservations but if more experienced players want him gone who am I to argue?

Cause that's such sound logic.

You're a player in the game who's no less important than them. Just doing what the experienced players want is the worst play possible.

[TheKenwyne]

Cause that's such sound logic.

You're a player in the game who's no less important than them. Just doing what the experienced players want is the worst play possible.

This is true. However, I have not played many games with ShadowedFlames; therefore, if, in they're judgement, he is not the sort of player to make this sort of bluff on Day 3, then maybe I should trust that over my own hunches and sensibilites.

[Arrows]

This is true. However, I have not played many games with ShadowedFlames; therefore, if, in they're judgement, he is not the sort of player to make this sort of bluff on Day 3, then maybe I should trust that over my own hunches and sensibilites.

No one's questioning SF. The question isn't did he get the result. The question is why he got the result.

[TheKenwyne]

No one's questioning SF. The question isn't did he get the result. The question is why he got the result.

I was reffering to the argument a few pages back where it was questioned whether SF's role PM inferred any potential paranoia. The opinion there was SF was not the sort of player to miss such inferrences and that this was not the sort of play he makes as scum. Therefore, it is much more likely that he is a normal, townie investigator with a real scum result.

[Paws7297]

Way too many people willing to vote for someone without giving him so much as a chance to speak. Getting a little worried.

QFT.

I won't be placing a vote on Zeel. There could be explanations for him showing up as mafia. And I'd rather give him a chance to defend himself but, whatever. Change vote: No vote as my vote on SF was a joke. Now I will stand by while you lynch Zeel.

[BlueStar]

Zeel1 - 13 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride, BlueStar, waghlon, Jaded)

Does it not irk anyone else to see names like Trypio, Blue, and Nick, on a list of people willing to lynch someone without giving the person a chance to answer a single question?

Do I really have to start pointing out ways this could be a completely idiotic move? Way too many people are willing to do this. Not all of you have everyone's best interest in mind when doing so. No way this many people are willing to do this.

Just to put my 0.02 out there. In Dr. Horrible I got silenced/blocked the first night and town would have been better off lynching me D2 instead of keeping me around.

[Arrows]

I can, off the top of my head, without even actually trying, remember:

2 Doctors
1 vig
1 detective
1 PC geek

Who all came up bad. That's without even making an effort to remember.

[moon_lit_tears]

That's a lynch. I'm around with my vote should this not be enough - I may have personal reservations but if more experienced players want him gone who am I to argue?

Experience does not always mean they are right.

[Derek B]

I do believe Astil owes Arrows and myself royalties for the use of the Save Point as a role in a game....

Hey, it was my fake claim from VG1... if anyone gets royalties it's me. :p

I'd like to hear from Derek B after he tried to lead a lynch on mjdgoldeneye on the first day.

Hi. Here's some info for you... the Royal Rumble was fun and it turns out that UFC computer games are awesome fun to play. I really enjoyed smashing in some faces as Brock Lesnar. :D

Experience does not always mean they are right.

But it helps us to be less obviously wrong. :p

I could vote, but I'm gonna be around for a little while yet so I'm holding off. But the caution being thrown around worries me... there are many good and bad lynches based on scum results, there are more good than bad. At this point I'm not going to ignore a scum result, no matter how lame being lynched while silenced is.

[moon_lit_tears]

I know it sucks he's silenced. We can't ignore a scum result. I know some of the votes look suspect. One vote grabbed my attention.

Paws...you never said why you voted on SF. I find it odd you threw a vote after he outer himself as an investigator.

[trypio]

Zeel1 - 13 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride, BlueStar, waghlon, Jaded)

Does it not irk anyone else to see names like Trypio, Blue, and Nick, on a list of people willing to lynch someone without giving the person a chance to answer a single question?

Do I really have to start pointing out ways this could be a completely idiotic move? Way too many people are willing to do this. Not all of you have everyone's best interest in mind when doing so. No way this many people are willing to do this.

Well, what's he going to do when he can speak. Make some untrustworthy claim: Either Miller or saying someone framed him. Will most of us believe him? No. Will we lynch him the next day? Most likely. Do we have anyone else to go after this dayphase other than some random guesses? Nope. So going with lynching a 95% certain bad guy (or good guy in this case) seems like a good move to me...

That's my reason for voting.

[praguepride]

So, you would rather a no lynch then to trust an investigator who caught a result N2?

What's the matter, we getting too close to you and your scum buddies? You know when he swings up and turns up scum...er... not scum you'll be next in line?

I look forward to hearing you claim Carbon Rod, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Inanimate Rod of Pure Evil

[praguepride]

I dont know why that just posted again. Weird....

QUOTE=Waghlon;1395022]Invader Zim.[/QUOTE]

@Waghlon: Dr. Horrible. If you read through that, youll quickly see that despite town having good investigators, scum had an excuse to push no lynch day after day and scum almost had a perfect game because town dragged its feet the whole damn game.

People couldnt decide if X was a miller, if Y was a scum hitter, or if Z was an indy survivor.

Turns out they were all lying, were all scum, and were all screwing town.

This early, a mislynch, while unfortunate, wouldnt be the end of the game for us.

For scum though, taking out ANY scum early in the game pays HUGE dividends end game. Denying scum their roleblocker or vote manipulator or framer or bus driver etc. etc. pays off the whole game in huge rewards.

Or if you get lucky and nail an SK or Don early, thats a huge blow against scum.

Small losses, huge rewards, and we have a scum result to boot. That is more then enough in my book.

[Dragonmack]

So, you would rather a no lynch then to trust an investigator who caught a result N2?

What's the matter, we getting too close to you and your scum buddies? You know when he swings up and turns up scum...er... not scum you'll be next in line?

I look forward to hearing you claim Carbon Rod, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Inanimate Rod of Pure Evil

was it necessary to post this twice, 5 hours apart?

[moon_lit_tears]

Well, what's he going to do when he can speak. Make some untrustworthy claim: Either Miller or saying someone framed him. Will most of us believe him? No. Will we lynch him the next day? Most likely. Do we have anyone else to go after this dayphase other than some random guesses? Nope. So going with lynching a 95% certain bad guy (or good guy in this case) seems like a good move to me...

That's my reason for voting.

Agreed.

Finally a reasonable voice speaks up.

[Astil]

Evilday 3 is over

Zeel1 - 15 (Dragonmack, Moon_lit_tears, bak42, Midnightnick. ShadowedFlames, Rabbitman, trypio, Gabbo, The Two, praguepride, BlueStar, waghlon, Jaded, the rock 13, MichiganHero)

ShadowedFlames - 1 (Paws7297)

djthefunkchris - 1 (Crychon)

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Evilday 3

They dragged him, unconscious, towards the gallows. The had hoped that they uncovered a threat, but what they uncovered was just more questions.

When would the answers come?

Zeel1 is dead. He was Wolf Hawkins, Syndicate Aligned Cornell Protege

It is now Night 3. You have until 7:00 PM EST Tuesday February 1st to send all PMs to the Proph and astil

[Astil]

jman2k3 can speak in the thread again.

[moon_lit_tears]

jman2k3 can speak in the thread again.

Haha I didn't realize he was silenced...lol

Very nice catch SF. :p

[Zeel1]

Yeah I pretty much hate you all.

Except for you Moonikins, I'll always love yooooooooou~. <3

[Paws7297]

Yeah I pretty much hate you all.

Except for you Moonikins, I'll always love yooooooooou~. <3
I tried to prevent your lynch. Do you hate me? :p

[trypio]

I tried to prevent your lynch. Do you hate me? :p

I guess you're up next then, tomorrow... :cool:

[Paws7297]

I guess you're up next then, tomorrow... :cool:
Nah. I wouldn't be this blatant if I was scum. :p

[Astil]

No conversations with the dead please.

[Paws7297]

-.- Alright...

Look what I found out. :O This is a frog ------> .:-:. ribbit -::.. <---- And this is a duck.... QUACK!

[Zeel1]

No conversations with the dead please.

Man, quit being ants at a picnic. It's perfectly natural to talk to dead bodies. No matter what my narrow-minded parents think! :mad:

[Arrows]

Well, what's he going to do when he can speak. Make some untrustworthy claim: Either Miller or saying someone framed him. Will most of us believe him? No. Will we lynch him the next day? Most likely. Do we have anyone else to go after this dayphase other than some random guesses? Nope. So going with lynching a 95% certain bad guy (or good guy in this case) seems like a good move to me...

That's my reason for voting.

Thank you for at least stating a reason.

I would've at least liked to have SOMETHING from him to go on. See if he does have something believable. See what he might give us on accident that might tell us something. Tomorrow likely would end up the same result, I agree, but at least we'd have a chance to weigh everything.

What if he wasn't a miller but died one of us and we all assumed he was a miller instead of looking at SF?

Just, so much bad could happen.

[moon_lit_tears]

Thank you for at least stating a reason.

I would've at least liked to have SOMETHING from him to go on. See if he does have something believable. See what he might give us on accident that might tell us something. Tomorrow likely would end up the same result, I agree, but at least we'd have a chance to weigh everything.

What if he wasn't a miller but died one of us and we all assumed he was a miller instead of looking at SF?

Just, so much bad could happen.

Yes, but doesn't risk=reward?

Besides we lynched scum. Celebrate, unless he was your teammate! :p

[Arrows]

Yes, but doesn't risk=reward?

Besides we lynched scum. Celebrate, unless he was your teammate! :p

I'm celebrating on the inside.

Sometimes the risk doesn't = the reward.

[praguepride]

was it necessary to post this twice, 5 hours apart?

I dont know why that just posted again. Weird....



As for the lynch, I don't feel bad about not giving scum a chance to lie. Sure he might have given something up, either on purpose (between the lies) or on accident.

[Astil]

Night Phase is over.

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Night 3

They ran in panic, as it looked like death was going to rain down upon them. A large object started to fall. That's when he appeared on every screen in Axis of Eviltown.

"FOOLS! You will know me! You will fear me!"

They did know him now, as the large metallic object hurdled towards the town. Anyone unsure of what to do panicked and raced to safety.

Luckily the large space object landed out of the way of any victims. Unluckily by the time anyone realized that day had already come.

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

[ShadowedFlames]

Night Phase is over.

Wait, what?

Also, in case I die, was looking into Kenwyne tonight.

[Astil]

All PMs should be out

[ShadowedFlames]

All PMs should be out

...hmmmm.

:cool:

Vote: TheKenwyne

Someone's been a naughty boy, methinks....

[trypio]

Good work again, SF. Let's hear what he has to say... :cool:

vote: TheKenwyne

[moon_lit_tears]

WTF. That was short. Yikes.


Vote kenwyne

[Midnightnick]

Vote: TheKenwyne

[Prophet]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 4 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, moon_lit_tears, Midnightnick)

Man, I always thought this co-modding stuff was gonna be easy. Sit back, basque in the glory of the hard work and toil of someone else (who, frankly, way smarter than me) ... but I gotta keep up with counts and stuff? This is tough!

[praguepride]

vote: thekenwyne

one good turn deserves another, aparently.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 4 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, moon_lit_tears, Midnightnick)

Man, I always thought this co-modding stuff was gonna be easy. Sit back, basque in the glory of the hard work and toil of someone else (who, frankly, way smarter than me) ... but I gotta keep up with counts and stuff? This is tough!

Funny story. had you waited 9 minutes ... :p

[Dragonmack]

Shadowed was right on first one

vote: Thekenwyne

[Imarevenant]

Man, I always thought this co-modding stuff was gonna be easy. Sit back, basque in the glory of the hard work and toil of someone else (who, frankly, way smarter than me) ... but I gotta keep up with counts and stuff? This is tough!


Psst.....If you get really good at it, you'll even get into the Hall of Fame off the hard work of that other person. It's awesome!! :D


ummmmmm........don't point IER to this post, please.

[Comradebot]

Well that was a fun night. Well, not for me... but... whatever.

vote: thekenwyne


Kenny, got something to say?

[Jman2k3]

Haha I didn't realize he was silenced...lol

Very nice catch SF. :p

I feel special.

...hmmmm.

:cool:

Vote: TheKenwyne

Someone's been a naughty boy, methinks....

Vote: TheKenwyne

I'll lean this way for now.

[Jaded]

vote: thekenwyne
Sounding like a plan...

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 9 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, moon_lit_tears, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded)

[BlueStar]

I'll add to the pressure here.

Vote: TheKenwyne

Keep in mind that we have plenty of time though.

[moon_lit_tears]

Ok 10/15 I think is an attention grabber. Let's give this tume folks. :p

[Tha Black Phenom]

/sigh pete's sake.

[TheKenwyne]

Shadowed was right on first one

vote: Thekenwyne

And he's right again.

I am Elika, Persia Aligned Princess

I have no idea what I'm going here and all my magical powers have gone. I can talk to the Prince (who shall remain nameless) outside the game thread and win when I survive. I have no night actions, and neither does he - we are NO THREAT to the town.

[praguepride]

don't buy it.

And even if I did, sounds like a good two-shoes group to me.

[Dragonmack]

Prince of Persia is definitely a hero character... Which means he SCUM!!! And anyone aligned with him is SCUM!!!

[ShadowedFlames]

Actually, I'm approaching this from a slightly different angle.

Prince of Persia is an action type game, correct? That'd imply that the Prince can do SOMETHING--kill, protect, use his hourglass to stop/reverse time and guarantee an action, etc.

Ken has said that both he and the prince has no action. I'm not sure I buy that based on knowledge of the game.

[TheKenwyne]

Actually, I'm approaching this from a slightly different angle.

Prince of Persia is an action type game, correct? That'd imply that the Prince can do SOMETHING--kill, protect, use his hourglass to stop/reverse time and guarantee an action, etc.

Ken has said that both he and the prince has no action. I'm not sure I buy that based on knowledge of the game.

I only have the player who is the Prince's word on that - I have not seen his role PM. I have no action, and win when I survive. For him, I cannot answer.

On the surface, yes, my character is a 'good' role. My first PM to my wingman was saying that we were screwed - we can't work with the town (evil) as we both look very scummy (good) just from our role titles. Be that as it may, I have told you everything you know and will happily offer my vote to any cause the town wants, as I have to live to win.

[TheKenwyne]

My wingman has just said he is willing to claim if it will prevent my (and his) lynch.

[bak42]

I only have the player who is the Prince's word on that - I have not seen his role PM. I have no action, and win when I survive. For him, I cannot answer.

I find that odd, I know I've never been in any sort of group where we didn't share our role PMs.

[TheKenwyne]

I find that odd, I know I've never been in any sort of group where we didn't share our role PMs.

He's been busy recently - I've asked him to send it along and I'll get back to you with the concrete evidence as soon as I have it.

[Gabbo]

My wingman has just said he is willing to claim if it will prevent my (and his) lynch.

Not hard to see who it was from his hints and reaction, so his talking through you does no real good.

I've never played the games so will do some research after my shower.

[Dragonmack]

Actually I am interested in how he intends to spin this as a non scum role. While I haven't played the series, I have seen reviews of the games, so I could see a way. At the end of the day though, I still think the Prince will end up as a hero/scum and so will anyone associated with him.

[Arrows]

Was beginning to wonder if he was going to be allowed to speak before people rushed through this one too. Glad we let him speak. Could see this being a few different ways.

I could see two good guys as survivors. What interest do they have in this war that would cause them to side with the rest of the good characters? I could also see 2 characters as survivors with no ability. Mason partner survivors isn't bad. Don't want to hand them a kill or they become SKs.

I think mason survivor partners works.

use his hourglass to stop/reverse time and guarantee an action, etc.

This, I could see being useful. Doesn't mean it's going to be there, for sure, but if they were to have an ability I'd imagine it'd be something like this. It would help keep them alive.

I really think we should look more at who's doing the voting so fast.

[TheKenwyne]

Actually I am interested in how he intends to spin this as a non scum role. While I haven't played the series, I have seen reviews of the games, so I could see a way. At the end of the day though, I still think the Prince will end up as a hero/scum and so will anyone associated with him.

Spin? I've given you a full claim and told you exactly what I believe both halves of out team does. What more do I need to spin?



This, I could see being useful. Doesn't mean it's going to be there, for sure, but if they were to have an ability I'd imagine it'd be something like this. It would help keep them alive.


The game that this version of the Prince is from does not feature his magic hourglass, I do believe. Haven't played it, but I'm pretty sure they'd phased it out by the time this release rolled around.

[Paws7297]

Was beginning to wonder if he was going to be allowed to speak before people rushed through this one too. Glad we let him speak. Could see this being a few different ways.

I could see two good guys as survivors. What interest do they have in this war that would cause them to side with the rest of the good characters? I could also see 2 characters as survivors with no ability. Mason partner survivors isn't bad. Don't want to hand them a kill or they become SKs.

I think mason survivor partners works.



This, I could see being useful. Doesn't mean it's going to be there, for sure, but if they were to have an ability I'd imagine it'd be something like this. It would help keep them alive.

I really think we should look more at who's doing the voting so fast.


Agree with this.

[Dragonmack]

Spin? I've given you a full claim and told you exactly what I believe both halves of out team does. What more do I need to spin?



The game that this version of the Prince is from does not feature his magic hourglass, I do believe. Haven't played it, but I'm pretty sure they'd phased it out by the time this release rolled around.

Wasn't your claim that I was waiting to see spun. Your claim is a support character to the main character. It's the main character's claim that I was waiting to see other than just what the role is. The Prince of Persia is the main hero role in that series, and that has all the earmarks of scum in this game. So I want to see what he says is his alignment and win condition and how he justifies it .

[Arrows]

Wasn't your claim that I was waiting to see spun. Your claim is a support character to the main character. It's the main character's claim that I was waiting to see other than just what the role is. The Prince of Persia is the main hero role in that series, and that has all the earmarks of scum in this game. So I want to see what he says is his alignment and win condition and how he justifies it .

/nod

[TheKenwyne]

Wasn't your claim that I was waiting to see spun. Your claim is a support character to the main character. It's the main character's claim that I was waiting to see other than just what the role is. The Prince of Persia is the main hero role in that series, and that has all the earmarks of scum in this game. So I want to see what he says is his alignment and win condition and how he justifies it .

I have just received my buddy's role PM.

He is: The Prince, Persia Aligned Prince

His PM just contains the same info as mine, slightly reworded - Elika's magic no longer works, and we're out of towners trapped in somewhere now ruled by martial law. He wins when he survives. Just like me.

I will happily answer any questions anyone has.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Might as well do this before as I'll be out all day.

I'm The Prince, Persia Aligned Prince, if that wasn't clear already. I let off a reaction wide open because I knew I was gonna end up claiming eventually. I wasn't really gonna do it now but I've got errands to run and don't know exactly when I'll be back.

I've left a correlating hint upon my very first post in the game. Basically, we have to survive and that's all there is to it. I know about the hero aspect sinking in people's heads but in this universe's who's whos of evil characters, you would have to bank that the designated survivor(if there were one as usual) would be along the lines of a hero, IMO. "Wine" it if you must but that's how I see it.

We have nothing else going on for us, Eliza's magic is described as gone and all we gotta do is tough it out. I'd hope you look elsewhere, and actually take a look at this unusual pace of votes, unless that's solely fueled by investigation results /shrug But either way it's all on the wall now. Sure, we represent characters in an action-packed game but it doesn't necessarily validate ability use, IMO. Depends moreso on the context of the game and other characters present. You guys don't exactly know what you're up against anyway, but for now.. it's obvious where our minds lay for the meantime. It's somewhat of a blessing(if I make it through this dilemma) as with all these games I'm willing to test out, I'm not exactly gonna be all vocal in this one.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Hah, funny timing. I told him the same thing about me leaving soon, except I didn't know exactly when. Turns out it's around now(though I'll be on my phone as I leave, I can check a few following replies).

[praguepride]

who is your buddy? if you have nothing to hide and are not a threat to anyone why stay in the shadow(edflames)

get it, cuz Sf caught you.....nvm just answer the question

[praguepride]

nvm, tbp posted while i was writin.

[moon_lit_tears]

Agree with this.

Coming from one of the ones who didn't want to lynch scum....

Change vote: No vote

I can buy this for now I think.

[Paws7297]

Coming from one of the ones who didn't want to lynch scum....

Change vote: No vote

I can buy this for now I think.
Hmm? You act like I knew he was scum. I didn't feel right lynching him without him saying something. He could have easily been a miller. He could have been framed. He could have been the princess of persia instead of Kenwyne.

And I wasn't on Ken either. I wanted to wait for him to say something. He has. And I believe the two of them for now.

[Crychon]

I really don't think we should be keeping them around...

[Paws7297]

Hmm? You act like I knew he was scum. I didn't feel right lynching him without him saying something. He could have easily been a miller. He could have been framed. He could have been the princess of persia instead of Kenwyne.

And I wasn't on Ken either. I wanted to wait for him to say something. He has. And I believe the two of them for now.
Two of them being Ken and TBP

[moon_lit_tears]

I really don't think we should be keeping them around...

Any reason why?

[Crychon]

Any reason why?

They're heroes. Not the kind of folks we want hanging around in Eviltown.

[moon_lit_tears]

They're heroes. Not the kind of folks we want hanging around in Eviltown.

Never played the games.

Were they in the first VGM?

[ShadowedFlames]

Never played the games.

Were they in the first VGM?

Don't think so.

Need to think for a bit while at work.

[moon_lit_tears]

Don't think so.

Need to think for a bit while at work.

I could see it working if they were survivors of the first one, but unsure if they would be good now.

I've never played the games. Here is where I wish I had. Those that have.....what type of role do these two play in the games?

[Midnightnick]

Don't think so.

Need to think for a bit while at work.

They weren't.

[Destiny]

Sorry I haven't been as active over the past few days, I've been fairly busy. I can't see the Prince of Persia couple being good.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 9 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, BlueStar)

[Comradebot]

My vote stands for now, though I'm starting to lean towards believing them. Very ballsy play to out both of em' so quickly, and from my experience usually scum doing the "I'm a mason!" claim will do whatever they can to avoid naming their ally/allies, until the point it becomes evident that their scummates aren't willing to risk themselves on such a huge gambit.

So... that works in their favor, I'd say.

And Fox McCloud was Eviltown aligned, and he's pretty heroic. I'll say the claim is plausible.

That said, what I don't like is the nature of the roles. It doesn't make too much sense to me, as it feels like it doesn't fit the characters in the least. I don't think any other videogame character here has lost their abilities, so why them? Why include the Prince of Persia folks if you're going to give them a role that doesn't fit the characters? Did Astil just really, really want to find a way to force them into the game, and go as far as creating a massive excuse to do it?

Tough call. Need to think this over some more.

[ShadowedFlames]

C-bot, you basically summed up my entire line of thought as well.

Not entirely sold on either claim, and if both are scum it is a damn gutsy move on their part.

[Derek B]

Thirding the sentiments of Comradebot there. If Kenwyne hadn't revealed his partner then I would've been all for the lynch, but the reveal makes me want to trust them. Being survivor, scummy looking and vanilla is a pretty raw deal so I wouldn't be surprised to see something being hidden away for later...

Not really sure how to say the other thing about this I want to say... so I'm gonna avoid saying it. It's not really important anyways, just me thinking about how others might view this situation...

I think I trust this claim. If I had a vote on I'd take it off about now. :)

[moon_lit_tears]

Fox McCloud was a surviving role from the first game. He became a member of Evilton. Just throwing that out there.

[praguepride]

unvote

My issue with indy survivors is that they almost always end up selling town out in a close game.

So with that said, as long as TBP and TKW (coincidence, I think not!) play ball and vote on scum, I'm fine keeping them alive.


However, if it becomes a close game and we don't really nail scum then we'll have to lynch them as opposed to a no lynch situation just so that when the end game comes we don't have a 2-vote swing from town-side to scum-side.


So, early in the game I'm fine with them surviving. Mid-to-late game we almost have to lynch them as opposed to a no lynch just to keep potential scum numbers down.

Sorry boys, but you know how indy survivors go, they're only kept around as long as they're useful and town has better avenues.

[Gabbo]

Reading the Wikipedia for the characters I see there potentially being more to this than we've been told. Understandable why they haven't told us more if that is the case, although it probably isn't.

Two people have outed themselves and I got Haz's hints immediately so it would have been a very bold gambit to have set that up so soon and for it all to have worked.

That said I'm not a fan of indie survivors as they offer very little bar a vote and at the end of the day make it that little bit easier for scum. I'd trust them for now. The votes are an interesting way to look in the meantime.

We had 5 votes within 31 minutes. SF starting it with Trypio, MLT, MNN and PraguePride jumping on. Of those MNN made no effort to even justify it.

Before the claims, the final vote count looked at like:

TheKenwyne - 10 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, moon_lit_tears, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, Bluestar)

This was the final vote:
I'll add to the pressure here.

Vote: TheKenwyne

Keep in mind that we have plenty of time though.

Irked me. We had 9 votes (with a 15 majority) within 3 hours and still Blue felt the need to add more pressure whilst also clarifying we have plenty of time. Surely the fact we have the time is a reason to hold off the votes until he has a chance to speak. I'm not saying that was the right thing to do but Blue almost contradicts himself.

The fact we have a good investigator means anybody can get away with backing him but the telling thing is no-one bothered to even ask. Zeel was fair enough - we couldn't. This time we could and people didn't want to, even slamming votes on after the pressure had been created whilst kindly reminding us we have plenty of time left.

[BlueStar]

I have just received my buddy's role PM.

He is: The Prince, Persia Aligned Prince

His PM just contains the same info as mine, slightly reworded - Elika's magic no longer works, and we're out of towners trapped in somewhere now ruled by martial law. He wins when he survives. Just like me.

I will happily answer any questions anyone has.

Might as well do this before as I'll be out all day.

I'm The Prince, Persia Aligned Prince, if that wasn't clear already. I let off a reaction wide open because I knew I was gonna end up claiming eventually. I wasn't really gonna do it now but I've got errands to run and don't know exactly when I'll be back.

I've left a correlating hint upon my very first post in the game. Basically, we have to survive and that's all there is to it. I know about the hero aspect sinking in people's heads but in this universe's who's whos of evil characters, you would have to bank that the designated survivor(if there were one as usual) would be along the lines of a hero, IMO. "Wine" it if you must but that's how I see it.

We have nothing else going on for us, Eliza's magic is described as gone and all we gotta do is tough it out. I'd hope you look elsewhere, and actually take a look at this unusual pace of votes, unless that's solely fueled by investigation results /shrug But either way it's all on the wall now. Sure, we represent characters in an action-packed game but it doesn't necessarily validate ability use, IMO. Depends moreso on the context of the game and other characters present. You guys don't exactly know what you're up against anyway, but for now.. it's obvious where our minds lay for the meantime. It's somewhat of a blessing(if I make it through this dilemma) as with all these games I'm willing to test out, I'm not exactly gonna be all vocal in this one.

Hah, funny timing. I told him the same thing about me leaving soon, except I didn't know exactly when. Turns out it's around now(though I'll be on my phone as I leave, I can check a few following replies).

Hmmm...that timing thingy sort of bothers me. Seems almost too good to be true.

Change vote: no vote

For now. Not sure how this adds up to coming up a threat...

[BlueStar]

Reading the Wikipedia for the characters I see there potentially being more to this than we've been told. Understandable why they haven't told us more if that is the case, although it probably isn't.

Two people have outed themselves and I got Haz's hints immediately so it would have been a very bold gambit to have set that up so soon and for it all to have worked.

That said I'm not a fan of indie survivors as they offer very little bar a vote and at the end of the day make it that little bit easier for scum. I'd trust them for now. The votes are an interesting way to look in the meantime.

We had 5 votes within 31 minutes. SF starting it with Trypio, MLT, MNN and PraguePride jumping on. Of those MNN made no effort to even justify it.

Before the claims, the final vote count looked at like:

TheKenwyne - 10 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, moon_lit_tears, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, Bluestar)

This was the final vote:


Irked me. We had 9 votes (with a 15 majority) within 3 hours and still Blue felt the need to add more pressure whilst also clarifying we have plenty of time. Surely the fact we have the time is a reason to hold off the votes until he has a chance to speak. I'm not saying that was the right thing to do but Blue almost contradicts himself.

The fact we have a good investigator means anybody can get away with backing him but the telling thing is no-one bothered to even ask. Zeel was fair enough - we couldn't. This time we could and people didn't want to, even slamming votes on after the pressure had been created whilst kindly reminding us we have plenty of time left.

So you have an issue with the final vote and not the other ones?

Alright, I'll just go beat myself on the chest then.

[moon_lit_tears]

I've a problem with the so called good guys claiming to be for the town.

I see McCloud because he survived last game, but these two...how...how do they fit in with us?

[Dragonmack]

I thought about it and here are issues I have with their claim


Mason - I beleive this part of their claim so far, no reason not to.

Indy Aligned- doubtful, but possible. Indy roles here are more likely to be from the hero ( or heroine) side and Prince of Persia did have a dark side in one of the games.

Vanilla - Two masons who are both vanilla? Not a chance in hell I am buying this. What would be the point of being able to talk to each other if neither of you has an ability to use? Especially claiming survivor win conditions?
One or both has to have some kind of ability, and it's probably not something that sounds harmless to town or they would have come out with it. Given that the most well known ability of the Prince is time manipulation, and also given the incredibly short night phase we just had, I have to wonder if that was an example of TBP's ability at work. And if so, while ending the night phase early would make sense from a survivor point of view, not sure if that is actually beneficial to the town as we have more overall abilities than scum does.

While I can go along with letting them live for now, especially if we can uncover a confirmed or at least strongly suspected scum, I am going to want them to come clean about their abilities first.

[Dragonmack]

but also, if we don't have a better lead before this phase closes, I am just as comfortable with lynching one of them.

[BlueStar]

I thought about it and here are issues I have with their claim


Mason - I beleive this part of their claim so far, no reason not to.

Indy Aligned- doubtful, but possible. Indy roles here are more likely to be from the hero ( or heroine) side and Prince of Persia did have a dark side in one of the games.

Vanilla - Two masons who are both vanilla? Not a chance in hell I am buying this. What would be the point of being able to talk to each other if neither of you has an ability to use? Especially claiming survivor win conditions?
One or both has to have some kind of ability, and it's probably not something that sounds harmless to town or they would have come out with it. Given that the most well known ability of the Prince is time manipulation, and also given the incredibly short night phase we just had, I have to wonder if that was an example of TBP's ability at work. And if so, while ending the night phase early would make sense from a survivor point of view, not sure if that is actually beneficial to the town as we have more overall abilities than scum does.

While I can go along with letting them live for now, especially if we can uncover a confirmed or at least strongly suspected scum, I am going to want them to come clean about their abilities first.

Yep, agree here.

[BlueStar]

Thirding the sentiments of Comradebot there. If Kenwyne hadn't revealed his partner then I would've been all for the lynch, but the reveal makes me want to trust them. Being survivor, scummy looking and vanilla is a pretty raw deal so I wouldn't be surprised to see something being hidden away for later...

Not really sure how to say the other thing about this I want to say... so I'm gonna avoid saying it. It's not really important anyways, just me thinking about how others might view this situation...

I think I trust this claim. If I had a vote on I'd take it off about now. :)

I'll once again say like I always say: either we go along with this and keep going along with it until something happens (investigation, death, tracking, etc) or we do a lynch now. Not another D3-D4-D5 filled argument.

Gut feeling: something is off. But hey, I got a pretty big gut so...

[Gabbo]

So you have an issue with the final vote and not the other ones?

Alright, I'll just go beat myself on the chest then.

/nod, just don't judge me.

Vanilla - Two masons who are both vanilla? Not a chance in hell I am buying this. What would be the point of being able to talk to each other if neither of you has an ability to use? Especially claiming survivor win conditions?

I have to take issue with this. I know where you're coming from but you seem to have developed an idea from somewhere that mason's have to have an ability to discuss. The fact they can discuss and talk outside a thread is often a big enough ability. It all depends on the overall set-up of the game and how it's balanced but a two man mason group without an ability is often a fair role.

In regards to the second point, it's possible they do have an ability and if they do I'd understand why don't want it out. Conversely it's possible they have a motive detrimental to the town and don't want to reveal it or how they go about it.

But I'm assuming a lot and trusting a lot. For now.

But I would be happy to lynch them just because indie survivors always seem to end up helping scum rather than town.

Although, I'd like to stress that this is in nowhere a free pass for everyone to sit back, do nothing and wait until we have 8 hours left and then panic lynch them. Let's use this phase.

[bak42]

Given that the most well known ability of the Prince is time manipulation, and also given the incredibly short night phase we just had, I have to wonder if that was an example of TBP's ability at work.

I doubt it, The Prince's ability to manipulate time comes from the Dagger of Time, and if you look at the night skip it appears to be caused by a "large space object" not a dagger.

[praguepride]

fyi, in chicago right now they are broadcasting "snowpocalypse" (thats right, hes doing another album!)

The winter winds from the north are freezing moisture pushed up from Lake Michigan, causing freezing pellets, blizzards, and pandamonium.

So if I go dark for 2-3 days I'm probably buried alive and you should freak out and send St. Bernards.


I prefer rum, please. Cpt. Morgan.

[trypio]

Reading the Wikipedia for the characters I see there potentially being more to this than we've been told. Understandable why they haven't told us more if that is the case, although it probably isn't.

Two people have outed themselves and I got Haz's hints immediately so it would have been a very bold gambit to have set that up so soon and for it all to have worked.

That said I'm not a fan of indie survivors as they offer very little bar a vote and at the end of the day make it that little bit easier for scum. I'd trust them for now. The votes are an interesting way to look in the meantime.

We had 5 votes within 31 minutes. SF starting it with Trypio, MLT, MNN and PraguePride jumping on. Of those MNN made no effort to even justify it.

Before the claims, the final vote count looked at like:

TheKenwyne - 10 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, moon_lit_tears, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, Bluestar)

This was the final vote:


Irked me. We had 9 votes (with a 15 majority) within 3 hours and still Blue felt the need to add more pressure whilst also clarifying we have plenty of time. Surely the fact we have the time is a reason to hold off the votes until he has a chance to speak. I'm not saying that was the right thing to do but Blue almost contradicts himself.

The fact we have a good investigator means anybody can get away with backing him but the telling thing is no-one bothered to even ask. Zeel was fair enough - we couldn't. This time we could and people didn't want to, even slamming votes on after the pressure had been created whilst kindly reminding us we have plenty of time left.

My vote was only the second one. Someone has to put on the pressure, only SF's vote isn't going to make him talk... I just happened to be around at the time there was only 1 vote, so I think anyone would've done the same in my place (except his mason/mafia buddies) I did find it rather risky from some people to keep piling on votes after the first 6-7 people that voted for him...

I do believe his claim partly. I believe that they're a 2 man mason group that has to survive, but I don't believe that they don't have any abilities. My vote remains where it is, I wouldn't mind keeping them around, but I wouldn't mind lynching them either since we have no one else to go after at the moment.

[The Shape]

First glance; both claiming the exact same title is weird. If the first one is a lie and the second is true then the first must know something, which would mean they wouldn't claim it, which makes no sense.

[The Shape]

Ignore that, I really should have read a bit more before posting...

[The Two]

Video Game Mafia 2

Night 3

They ran in panic, as it looked like death was going to rain down upon them. A large object started to fall. That's when he appeared on every screen in Axis of Eviltown.

"FOOLS! You will know me! You will fear me!"

They did know him now, as the large metallic object hurdled towards the town. Anyone unsure of what to do panicked and raced to safety.

Luckily the large space object landed out of the way of any victims. Unluckily by the time anyone realized that day had already come.

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.
What the hell? Night skip? I can't make a game connection to a giant meteor, that ring any bells for anybody? Who could cause something like that?

As has already been discussed, the fact that TBP backed up the claim gives me reason to trust them. I don't really think scum would stick their necks out like that to protect a teammate.

Also, Dragonmack, as Derek has said to me many times in discussions about mafia abilities - being a Mason IS an ability.

[Derek B]

I'll once again say like I always say: either we go along with this and keep going along with it until something happens (investigation, death, tracking, etc) or we do a lynch now. Not another D3-D4-D5 filled argument.

Gut feeling: something is off. But hey, I got a pretty big gut so...

I agree. Lynch today or not at all. There's no point wasting townie resources on them beyond this phase. With the scum team (hopfeully that's what Syndicate is) losing a member it would be a bold move to out someone to cover for someone else... almost an insane move.

That alone is enough for me to think they should be left alone. And if Gabbo says the hints were there from early on (I don't know the games so have no idea if they were) then I trust that too. For now anyways, until I decide I want to push Gabbo.... I just can't ever bring myself to trust him for some reason. :p

I propose a new direction, someone who deserves the attention.

VOTE: Sazzita

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I'm also gonna ask if anyone wants an analysis of the write ups so far? Not that it has a lot, but I'm fairly sure I know which character skipped the night phase... an old friend of mine in fact. :cool:

[Crychon]

Also, Dragonmack, as Derek has said to me many times in discussions about mafia abilities - being a Mason IS an ability.

Absolutely.

Back in the day that was all you had a lot of the time if you were a mason.

Now if not all of the masons have the abilities, your roles are considered underpowered.

[praguepride]

Not...TINGLE!?!?!

[Tha Black Phenom]

I've a problem with the so called good guys claiming to be for the town.

I see McCloud because he survived last game, but these two...how...how do they fit in with us?

Uh... that's the thing. We don't. We're not apart of the town. We have practically no relation to you guys.

Does the idea of a hero having to survive among a world of villains sound that farfetched? Better that over some darkish loner villain.

And d-mack, about the vanilla thing... what about it? The only thing we care about is surviving so no we don't do anything at night. Being a mason is enough. Why is a character like the Prince stuck in this predicament, who knows but its all there in writing. And when it comes to disposition(heroes/villains), doesn't seem so outlandish as some may say.

I'm still on my phone, I'll be home and fully catching up in a half hour or so.

[Dragonmack]

/nod, just don't judge me.



I have to take issue with this. I know where you're coming from but you seem to have developed an idea from somewhere that mason's have to have an ability to discuss. The fact they can discuss and talk outside a thread is often a big enough ability. It all depends on the overall set-up of the game and how it's balanced but a two man mason group without an ability is often a fair role.

In regards to the second point, it's possible they do have an ability and if they do I'd understand why don't want it out. Conversely it's possible they have a motive detrimental to the town and don't want to reveal it or how they go about it.

But I'm assuming a lot and trusting a lot. For now.

But I would be happy to lynch them just because indie survivors always seem to end up helping scum rather than town.

Although, I'd like to stress that this is in nowhere a free pass for everyone to sit back, do nothing and wait until we have 8 hours left and then panic lynch them. Let's use this phase.

What the hell? Night skip? I can't make a game connection to a giant meteor, that ring any bells for anybody? Who could cause something like that?

As has already been discussed, the fact that TBP backed up the claim gives me reason to trust them. I don't really think scum would stick their necks out like that to protect a teammate.

Also, Dragonmack, as Derek has said to me many times in discussions about mafia abilities - being a Mason IS an ability.

Absolutely.

Back in the day that was all you had a lot of the time if you were a mason.

Now if not all of the masons have the abilities, your roles are considered underpowered.


I dont deny that being masons alone is an advantage... if you are town, where usually your own personal survival is not part of your win condition.

But with them claiming indy survivor roles, I really don't see where vanilla mason helps you in that at all. If that is their win condition, there would have to be some ability, whether only one has , or is shared, minimum, to provide some means of achieving that goal. So, no, still not buying neither of them has any abilities.

[praguepride]

Uh... that's the thing. We don't. We're not apart of the town. We have practically no relation to you guys.

Does the idea of a hero having to survive among a world of villains sound that farfetched? Better that over some darkish loner villain.

And d-mack, about the vanilla thing... what about it? The only thing we care about is surviving so no we don't do anything at night. Being a mason is enough. Why is a character like the Prince stuck in this predicament, who knows but its all there in writing. And when it comes to disposition(heroes/villains), doesn't seem so outlandish as some may say.

I'm still on my phone, I'll be home and fully catching up in a half hour or so.


You know, I wanted to believe you, cut you a break, but my lie-dar is tingling too much about this comment.

Vote: TheKenwyne

I definitely don't buy that you're vanilla survivors. You're hiding something, holding something back and it's not too outlandish for two scum to try a ploy, possibly if they're the only two scum left on their team (or in some other way are related).

At this point without any better candidates, why waste a future lynch when we can just cut you out now. I'll bet dollars to donuts that if you're an indy survivor and it gets down to the end, you'll sell out town. It always happens.

So why take the chance? Why risk whether or not to believe you. Why waste the time on a no lynch when we can string up one of you and know for certain.

Best case we nail scum. Worst case, you're telling the truth and we've eliminated potential traitors.

[Jman2k3]

My vote stands for now, though I'm starting to lean towards believing them. Very ballsy play to out both of em' so quickly, and from my experience usually scum doing the "I'm a mason!" claim will do whatever they can to avoid naming their ally/allies, until the point it becomes evident that their scummates aren't willing to risk themselves on such a huge gambit.

So... that works in their favor, I'd say.

And Fox McCloud was Eviltown aligned, and he's pretty heroic. I'll say the claim is plausible.

That said, what I don't like is the nature of the roles. It doesn't make too much sense to me, as it feels like it doesn't fit the characters in the least. I don't think any other videogame character here has lost their abilities, so why them? Why include the Prince of Persia folks if you're going to give them a role that doesn't fit the characters? Did Astil just really, really want to find a way to force them into the game, and go as far as creating a massive excuse to do it?

Tough call. Need to think this over some more.

Fox McCloud was a surviving role from the first game. He became a member of Evilton. Just throwing that out there.

This.

Regarding Fox though he was Evil aligned because it said he was a "grounded" pilot which means if he didn't have his plane he would be out there helping the heroes most likely.

I doubt it, The Prince's ability to manipulate time comes from the Dagger of Time, and if you look at the night skip it appears to be caused by a "large space object" not a dagger.

Exactly, and if it was mentioned that a form of sword manipulated the phase I would think of Link using the Master Sword to do it.

[Rabbitman]

vote: Thekenwyne I've been burnt by indy survivors
before and I sure as hell dont want two of them around, to turn on us later on.

[praguepride]

This.

Regarding Fox though he was Evil aligned because it said he was a "grounded" pilot which means if he didn't have his plane he would be out there helping the heroes most likely.

You never played Star Fox Adventures on the Game Cube where you spend more time out of the plane then in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fox_Adventures

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 9 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, rabbitman)

Sazzita - 1 (Derek_b)

[Tha Black Phenom]

You know, I wanted to believe you, cut you a break, but my lie-dar is tingling too much about this comment.

Vote: TheKenwyne

I definitely don't buy that you're vanilla survivors. You're hiding something, holding something back and it's not too outlandish for two scum to try a ploy, possibly if they're the only two scum left on their team (or in some other way are related).

At this point without any better candidates, why waste a future lynch when we can just cut you out now. I'll bet dollars to donuts that if you're an indy survivor and it gets down to the end, you'll sell out town. It always happens.

So why take the chance? Why risk whether or not to believe you. Why waste the time on a no lynch when we can string up one of you and know for certain.

Best case we nail scum. Worst case, you're telling the truth and we've eliminated potential traitors.

You're really clinging to an idea if, despite everything else(the early hints, the coming forth), you choose not to believe, all because of that.

And you'd be wasting less time if you took your mind off us.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I dont deny that being masons alone is an advantage... if you are town, where usually your own personal survival is not part of your win condition.

But with them claiming indy survivor roles, I really don't see where vanilla mason helps you in that at all. If that is their win condition, there would have to be some ability, whether only one has , or is shared, minimum, to provide some means of achieving that goal. So, no, still not buying neither of them has any abilities.

And what abilities exactly would provide that? Which you think would be worth attributing to us over a townie?

[Jman2k3]

You never played Star Fox Adventures on the Game Cube where you spend more time out of the plane then in?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Fox_Adventures

Nope. Lol.

[ShadowedFlames]

To be honest, first thing I thought of was a mix between Zelda: Majora's Mask (the moon falling) and Andross doing the speaking (StarFox 64).

We have time a-plenty, so in the interests of discussion I'll Change Vote: No Vote with the caveat that I'm still not sold on the claims presented.

[Dragonmack]

And what abilities exactly would provide that? Which you think would be worth attributing to us over a townie?

there are tons of abilities that would provide some measure of ability to survive. Bulletproof, nonlynchable, even something simple as hiding or roleblocking. You've played long enough that your question is rather weird.

[Arrows]

What the hell? Night skip? I can't make a game connection to a giant meteor, that ring any bells for anybody? Who could cause something like that?

As has already been discussed, the fact that TBP backed up the claim gives me reason to trust them. I don't really think scum would stick their necks out like that to protect a teammate.

Also, Dragonmack, as Derek has said to me many times in discussions about mafia abilities - being a Mason IS an ability.

K, so, I have to ask.

Why do you think it was a meteor?

Seemed far more likely to be a ship of some sort.

[bak42]

[QUOTE=ShadowedFlames;1397539]To be honest, first thing I thought of was a mix between Zelda: Majora's Mask (the moon falling) and Andross doing the speaking (StarFox 64)./QUOTE]

My first thought was the meteor in Final Fantasy VII, except in the game it never actually hits the ground and is supposed to be a planet killer.

[Jman2k3]

K, so, I have to ask.

Why do you think it was a meteor?

Seemed far more likely to be a ship of some sort.

I agree with it must be some sort of man/alien made object since it was large and metallic instead of a natural phenomenon like a moon or meteor.

[Jman2k3]

[QUOTE=ShadowedFlames;1397539]To be honest, first thing I thought of was a mix between Zelda: Majora's Mask (the moon falling) and Andross doing the speaking (StarFox 64)./QUOTE]

My first thought was the meteor in Final Fantasy VII, except in the game it never actually hits the ground and is supposed to be a planet killer.

Good thing it isn't this planet killer. :cool:

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[Derek B]

All this talk of what the night skip could be... Dr Robotnik's ability in the first VG mafia was to skip the phase (think it was day only at the time...I should really check) by using one of his inventions, though I believe it was meant to be a giant egg at the time. He never did get to use it cos we were so awesome he didn't need to, but I automatically made the leap to him being the phase skipper assuming that roles from the previous time out are similar in abilities to last time around.

Obviously, I could be wrong about that... but I'm at least fairly confident the skip is a townie ability at least. Makes me wonder about a few things but all of them are things I'd expect to be townie. Which is interesting.

[Tha Black Phenom]

there are tons of abilities that would provide some measure of ability to survive. Bulletproof, nonlynchable, even something simple as hiding or roleblocking. You've played long enough that your question is rather weird.

I asked that question for a reason and I knew I'd be proven right. Bulletproof, really? When have you ever seen a recurring bulletproof/hiding survivor? And why would we roleblock either, meddling our noses in the town's affairs in which we want no part of?

The whole point of a survivor is to survive through the day and through the night. Making them bulletproof or unlynchable is giving them a hell of a handicap. It's like giving someone three lives over everyone else in a SSBB melee. Maybe if either one of those were one-shots I'd understand, but even there it's not commonly thought of.

Furthermore, how would you validate the mod giving us such abilities... just because we're mason? There may be a thought process somewhere in there but right now I don't see it. And it's maybe not completely outlandish but it's an unnecessary perk for what seems to be a simple straightforward mission - surviving. I wouldn't complain if I were any of those things, but it's not exactly a common perk for a survivor, much less for two of them. Sometimes survivors don't even have an upside, sometimes they have big ones(of which I'm responsible for one of them). When it comes to us, we have a fairly big one already and that's being able to talk outside of the thread. Why saturate that with a bulletproof cloak.

[Tha Black Phenom]

For the record, there may be a survivor that's hid before or been BP or whatever the case - anything can happen in these games, but I'm just talking about the likeliness of them. A survivor usually has to be scared for his life, context-wise. Even though it'd be awesome, I would feel somewhat hollow if I were guaranteed not to die through the night. A hiding survivor would be the most credible chance out of those if there's possibility at a bloodbath in the night phases.

About that talk of screwing the town over.. we're also your best trump card if you ever get to that point, and honestly it comes down to what Arrows said a while back, just don't play half-assed so that you get to that point but obviously you can't be held on that warning alone.

The way I see it the option of screwing the town over isn't that tempting. Maybe you're just damning yourself in advance because it's happened before. But at around endgame, all that we'd want is for the game to end point blank, whether we help or screw the town - and assuming both sides have more than likely left us alone by then. Also, as long as the town has a fighting chance, it's likely we won't bring ourselves to go out of our way to side with the scum. I'll tell you that right now, but you take it however you wish. I'm a sucker for comeback victories. I hate to be the deflecting fox, but there's ample leads to go through if you let us be for the meantime, stemming from last day phase and some are even making headway on other folks this phase as well. It's up to you to capitalize on that.

[Destiny]

Tha Black Phenom, so long as you're around, we're always going to be looking around our shoulders, worried you might turn on the town.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Cheers for stating the very topic of this day phase. If I wasn't aware of that at first, I sure am now.

[Destiny]

You should be thankful my vote isn't on your buddy yet, as it may be later, if we don't have any other leads.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Did you catch up yet? What do you think about the other suggested leads?

[Destiny]

If by other leads you're referring to Sazzita, then I don't really have an opinion either way. She/he's always fairly non-existant in the game threads.

[The Rock 13]

If we had more clear ideas on who was scum, then I would be all for turning our attentions to them but we don't. If we don't get any further, then we should definitely be thinking about lynching one of them. It is more productive than a no lynch.

[Destiny]

I agree that it's more productive than a no lynch, as they come up as threats.

[Tha Black Phenom]

/sigh Okay look.. I don't have a problem with you thinking that. I suppose it's somewhat reasonable.

My problem lies in that you're not doing anything about it.

Case you haven't noticed, those who've expressed their opinions over us have stated that over a page ago. That Ken might be lynched if there's no other route.

Where IS that other route? You're not doing jack about it! I mean hell Des, you were all over the place at the beginning of Dr. Horrible Mafia. Voting hellbent on players and trying to get something going. I was ready to write you off as scum because of it. Turns out you were town after all, so... what happened to that?

Now it's just the lurkers and occasional posters coming out of the bench and repeating what they'll consider to do if nothing comes their way.. where they haven't budged a finger from the beginning. In fact, you'd think it lead some to think how much scum play is in works here by trying to rely on the Ken lynch.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Now it's just the lurkers and occasional posters coming out of the bench and repeating what they'll consider to do if nothing comes their way.. when they haven't budged a finger from the beginning. In fact, you'd think it lead some to think how much scum play is in works here by trying to rely on the Ken lynch.

EBWOP

Whatever, enjoy your 'productivity' guys. :rolleyes:

[TheKenwyne]

I agree that it's more productive than a no lynch, as they come up as threats.

We came up non-town, not threats. And the scum must be laughing right now. I know I would be.

[Astil]

JackleBane has replaced Rabbitman

[Arrows]

Vote: Sazzita

Derek usually has some idea behind votes, doubt this was just "let's throw random votes this way!". Might as well see if we can get Sazz to pop up.

[bak42]

I'll throw a little more pressure on Sazz, see if we can't get something.

[bak42]

I'll throw a little more pressure on Sazz, see if we can't get something.

That's would have worked better if I had remembered to actually cast the damn vote.:rolleyes:

vote: Sazzita

[Waghlon]

I'm all for a little pressure

Vote: Sazzita

[Destiny]

Sazzita is likely to be scum, but I don't think he/she's ever really that active, regardless of alignment.

[praguepride]

Sazzita is likely to be scum, but I don't think he/she's ever really that active, regardless of alignment.

lDid I miss a result here? I thought derek was just pressuring the AFK players.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 9 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, Midnightnick, praguepride, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, rabbitman)

Sazzita - 4 (Derek_b, Arrows, bak42, Waghlon)

[Crychon]

lDid I miss a result here? I thought derek was just pressuring the AFK players.

Though, I do find it interesting that people are following this one now, but no one thought my push on dj yesterday was worth following at all.

/shrug

[Arrows]

Though, I do find it interesting that people are following this one now, but no one thought my push on dj yesterday was worth following at all.

/shrug

I just feel like DJ wouldn't simply vanish if he was scum. I also don't think we could effectively force DJ into anything.

[Crychon]

I just feel like DJ wouldn't simply vanish if he was scum. I also don't think we could effectively force DJ into anything.

Nor do I, but I did think it was strange behavior, and he hasn't been replaced, so obviously something is going on there.

[Paws7297]

More pressure? Vote: Sazzita

[praguepride]

Nor do I, but I did think it was strange behavior, and he hasn't been replaced, so obviously something is going on there.

I don't know where DJ lives, but I thought it was in the US somewhere.

US is being pounded by snow, could be he lost power or something. I know people in my area who are sans power. Luckily I'm on a solid power grid and we don't lose power for nuthin'

If he's not in the US in the middle of the storm, I've got nothing though.


Anyway, is anyone asking Sazz questions? I've got my usual three I'd like answered:

# of games in series:
First Platform game was launched:
Are you a Protagonist or Antagonist in your game?


It may be fluff but it's the kind of fluff that limits a fake claim, me thinks.

[moon_lit_tears]

DJ is in Fla. Could be something more, but wouldn't he be replaced if he had not been around for a few days? Quite interesting....

[praguepride]

DJ is in Fla. Could be something more, but wouldn't he be replaced if he had not been around for a few days? Quite interesting....

Is that Florida or Flanders?

If Florida, I've got nothing. Proabably not buried alive like ShadowedFlames and I :D

Probably just forgot he's playing ;)

[moon_lit_tears]

Is that Florida or Flanders?

If Florida, I've got nothing. Proabably not buried alive like ShadowedFlames and I :D

Probably just forgot he's playing ;)

Florida.

I'm about 20 mins from SF and I can assure you he's not hurried.

[praguepride]

Probably just forgot he's playing ;)

That doesn't make sense though, he'd be replaced by now.

Vote: DJthefunkchris


Come! Talk! Speak up!

[Sazzita]

I propose a new direction, someone who deserves the attention.

VOTE: Sazzita

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Sorry Derek ive been very sick and not much. Why the vote?

[Dragonmack]

we got three hours left. need a direction and thekenwyne seems the most solid one right now with nothing else turned up.

[Crychon]

I don't know where DJ lives, but I thought it was in the US somewhere.

US is being pounded by snow, could be he lost power or something. I know people in my area who are sans power. Luckily I'm on a solid power grid and we don't lose power for nuthin'

If he's not in the US in the middle of the storm, I've got nothing though.


Anyway, is anyone asking Sazz questions? I've got my usual three I'd like answered:

# of games in series:
First Platform game was launched:
Are you a Protagonist or Antagonist in your game?


It may be fluff but it's the kind of fluff that limits a fake claim, me thinks.

Oh, trust me, I'm well aware of the snowstorm. I got to work from home today because of it.

[Crychon]

we got three hours left. need a direction and thekenwyne seems the most solid one right now with nothing else turned up.

/nod It doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere else today.

Vote: TheKenwyne

[moon_lit_tears]

/nod It doesn't look like it's going to go anywhere else today.

Vote: TheKenwyne

You know, you've been quite chatty. Hope that keeps up. If not I know where my vote is going....:p

[Crychon]

You know, you've been quite chatty. Hope that keeps up. If not I know where my vote is going....:p

Well, I only look chatty because no one else is posting. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

Well, I only look chatty because no one else is posting. :p

And you're not hiding from town? :p

So I can't remember if my vote is still on Ken or not so.....


vote: Thekenwyne

Or.....

Change vote: Thekenwyne

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 10 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, Midnightnick, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, rabbitman, Crychon, moon_lit_tears)

Sazzita - 5 (Derek_b, Arrows, bak42, Waghlon, paws7297)

DJthefunkchris - 1 (praguepride)

[praguepride]

Change Vote: TheKenwyne

[Crychon]

Looks like we're heading for nothing.

[Jman2k3]

Looks like we're heading for nothing.

Yep.

[Astil]

Day Phase is over.

You achieved a no lynch.

It is now night phase 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Thursday February 3rd to send all PMs to Astil and Prophet.

[Astil]

Fancy writing to go here later

Sorry all, Im tired.

[Prophet]

Evilday Four has ended.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------

The group gathered in the center of Axis of Eviltown (Known to the eastern side as the Eville of the North-Southwest), and while some had discussed what had happened the night prior, others turned their attention to the daunting task of how to proceed.

Some took the charge of pointing fingers at the more quiet members of the group, and while questions were volleyed, and accusations levied, and one lone ghost learned vital secrets of how to enter the immortal hall, without having to actually do work (*wink, wink!*), by the time all was said and done, the sun had set, and no progress had been made.

Everyone returned to their sanctuaries, as the pixellated orange sun fell beyond the scenery, already plotting their next move.

No Lynch has been achieved!

It is now Evilday 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Wednesday February 2nd to reach majority. With 28 remaining majority is 15.

TheKenwyne - 11 (ShadowedFlames, trypio, Midnightnick, Dragonmack, comradebot, jman2k3, jaded, rabbitman, Crychon, moon_lit_tears, praguepride)

Sazzita - 5 (Derek_b, Arrows, bak42, Waghlon, paws7297)

It is now night phase 4. You have until 11:00 PM EST Thursday February 3rd to send all PMs to Astil and Prophet.

[moon_lit_tears]

/slaps Prophet!!

You missed Pragues vote. :p

[Prophet]

/slaps Prophet!!

You missed Pragues vote. :p

OWWW!

I did not, ya big Fibber McFibberson! :p

*Grabs his edit button and runs home!*

[Astil]

Thanks Prophet.

Zzzzzz

[Derek B]

According to Proph's write up the game has moved from Axis of Eviltown to Eville... look out for tentacles! :p

Can't be bothered going back to quote Sazzita's post but she didn't answer the questions posed by prague, hasn't been posting, hasn't been replaced and hasn't offered up any help.

Sick or not... when there is a pile of votes on you and we're this far into the game you need to give up something. Well worth a look for anyone looking to deal with... things. ;)

[Crychon]

According to Proph's write up the game has moved from Axis of Eviltown to Eville... look out for tentacles! :p

Can't be bothered going back to quote Sazzita's post but she didn't answer the questions posed by prague, hasn't been posting, hasn't been replaced and hasn't offered up any help.

Sick or not... when there is a pile of votes on you and we're this far into the game you need to give up something. Well worth a look for anyone looking to deal with... things. ;)

Was that really worth derailing the lynch for when there wasn't much time on the clock, though?

[Crychon]

Also, in case I die tonight, a couple of things I want to bring up:

I agree. Lynch today or not at all. There's no point wasting townie resources on them beyond this phase. With the scum team (hopfeully that's what Syndicate is) losing a member it would be a bold move to out someone to cover for someone else... almost an insane move.

That alone is enough for me to think they should be left alone. And if Gabbo says the hints were there from early on (I don't know the games so have no idea if they were) then I trust that too. For now anyways, until I decide I want to push Gabbo.... I just can't ever bring myself to trust him for some reason. :p

I propose a new direction, someone who deserves the attention.

VOTE: Sazzita

-----------

I'm also gonna ask if anyone wants an analysis of the write ups so far? Not that it has a lot, but I'm fairly sure I know which character skipped the night phase... an old friend of mine in fact. :cool:

The start of the Sazzita push. It looks to me like a blatant "Oh, I might help lynch, but... HEY! LOOK OVER HERE!"

Vote: Sazzita

Derek usually has some idea behind votes, doubt this was just "let's throw random votes this way!". Might as well see if we can get Sazz to pop up.

I also want to point out that this guy right here has looked like a hero sympathizer this entire game to me. I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him... Which sadly probably isn't very far... I need to work out more.

[BlueStar]

Sorry, suffering from a stomach bug so hardly online...

[Arrows]

Also, in case I die tonight, a couple of things I want to bring up:



The start of the Sazzita push. It looks to me like a blatant "Oh, I might help lynch, but... HEY! LOOK OVER HERE!"



I also want to point out that this guy right here has looked like a hero sympathizer this entire game to me. I wouldn't trust him as far as I can throw him... Which sadly probably isn't very far... I need to work out more.

Far from it.

[JackalBane]

Just so everybody knows, trying my best to catch up on everything.

[Prophet]

According to Proph's write up the game has moved from Axis of Eviltown to Eville... look out for tentacles! :p

Apparently someone hasn't looked at the map recently, since Axis of Eviltown is known as the Eville of the North-Southwest! But only on the eastern side. :p

[Destiny]

That's interesting. I probably won't be online much during this night phase, by the way.

[Astil]

d_w_w has replaced Sazzita

[Comradebot]

Far from it.

Arrows, and no point should anyone ever trust you.

Ever.

[Comradebot]

Arrows, at no point should anyone ever trust you.

Ever.

Fixed... stupid no editting...

[Astil]

1/2 hour warning

[moon_lit_tears]

d_w_w has replaced Sazzita

Epic night kill D_w_w...never mind.....

[Astil]

Night Phase 4 is over.

[ShadowedFlames]

And now, the anticipation....

[praguepride]

I'm all a-tingle

:D

[ShadowedFlames]

I'm all a-tingle

:D

No you're not, Tingle's dead. :p

Hopefully a hunch pays off tonight.

[Astil]

VIDEO GAME MAFIA 2

Night 4

He moved knowing not what to do. Another walked to him, seeing his usefulness. They walked away together.

***

He moved to take this guy down, but something else got in his way. A punch took care of him, but now a small one. A stomp on that, but now a huge one. He hoisted the huge one up, and slammed it down.

And now a bee! Oh forget this...

***

His plan was now set. He knew this was right, his resolve was firm. Before he could move on it, something interrupted him.

"How would you like to feel what it's like to be a schiskabob rotating in one of our fine penal instatutions."

As a response the interrupter attacked. ShadowedFlames feel quick and hard to the ground.

***

He thought he was safe here, but the man found him. It was effortless, and didn't even give him entertainment.

***

Frustrated he bumped into a man. The man tried to argue his way out, but could not. The frustration of this man meant he was seeing red.

Pew pew

The shots rang out, breaking the man from his blood lust. This was garbage!

***

When the town awoke, they found that they had lost a valuable tool.

D_w_w is knocked out. He cannot post in the thread.
Tha Black Phenom is a statue. He cannot post in the thread.
ShadowedFlames is dead. He was Detective Magnotta, Axis of Eviltown Mod's Favorite Character

[ShadowedFlames]

Well...damn.

It's on you now, town. Do me proud.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 5. With 27 remaining majority is 14. You have until 11:00 PM EST Saturday February 5th to reach a majority

[Astil]

All PMs should be out.

[moon_lit_tears]

Ggjlykvshxjghchvh

Really wish a protector was on him.....

[BlueStar]

Hmm...darn it, we lost the investigator who gave us 2 threats in 2 phases.

Anyone got something on our Prince and Princess?

[Crychon]

Seriously protectors? SF was the obvious person to make sure he survived...

For shame!

Also, I know people said we shouldn't waste resources on them this phase.

And I know what you're saying "If they were scum, then why did the partner claim?"

Well, to make people say that and throw off the lynch of course!

Maybe TheKenwyne is someone who's too important to the scum group to lose right now, and they took a gamble that has (at least temporarily) paid off.

Now, I'm not saying that we should go rush and speed lynch them or anything, and I know people said we shouldn't spend more time on them after that phase (people who, incidentally, I thought were just stalling) but I really think that if we don't come up with any other leads, TK or TBP would be good places to go.

[Derek B]

Seriously protectors? SF was the obvious person to make sure he survived...

For shame!

Also, I know people said we shouldn't waste resources on them this phase.

And I know what you're saying "If they were scum, then why did the partner claim?"

Well, to make people say that and throw off the lynch of course!

Maybe TheKenwyne is someone who's too important to the scum group to lose right now, and they took a gamble that has (at least temporarily) paid off.

Now, I'm not saying that we should go rush and speed lynch them or anything, and I know people said we shouldn't spend more time on them after that phase (people who, incidentally, I thought were just stalling) but I really think that if we don't come up with any other leads, TK or TBP would be good places to go.

VOTE Crychon

.........

There's been too many recruitments in write ups now... so unless someone wants to lay claim to being in any of the following sections we should start by hunting for actual scum instead of letting Crychon do exactly what scum want the town to do.

NIGHT 1

With a grunt he directed the man towards him. The man had plans, but he could take some time to go with the other. They walked together towards the ship.

NIGHT 2
While the man walked, another being came to him. Intregued he followed, listening to what he had to say.


Night 3 was skipped without a mention of this happening

NIGHT 4
He moved knowing not what to do. Another walked to him, seeing his usefulness. They walked away together.


That's 3 recruits by the looks of things. With about 5 or 6 scum seemingly being in the opening write up alone that puts the current scum total at about 7 or 8.

<hr>

I also want to echo... protectors? Really? Really? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? :mad: :p

<hr>

Lastly... a handful of deaths have actually been prevented. It's hard to tell if the "pew" person is a roleblocker or a protector, but if it's a blocker then they should reveal themselves today so we can lynch whoever they are targetting. If they're a protector they should continue doing what they're doing. :)

I'm too tired to be as coherent as normal... I just noticed that I messed up my notes cos of the phase skips so far and I'm not pleased about that. I hate having to sort things. :(

[Comradebot]

VOTE Crychon

.........

There's been too many recruitments in write ups now... so unless someone wants to lay claim to being in any of the following sections we should start by hunting for actual scum instead of letting Crychon do exactly what scum want the town to do.





Night 3 was skipped without a mention of this happening



That's 3 recruits by the looks of things. With about 5 or 6 scum seemingly being in the opening write up alone that puts the current scum total at about 7 or 8.

<hr>

I also want to echo... protectors? Really? Really? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? REALLY? :mad: :p

<hr>

Lastly... a handful of deaths have actually been prevented. It's hard to tell if the "pew" person is a roleblocker or a protector, but if it's a blocker then they should reveal themselves today so we can lynch whoever they are targetting. If they're a protector they should continue doing what they're doing. :)

I'm too tired to be as coherent as normal... I just noticed that I messed up my notes cos of the phase skips so far and I'm not pleased about that. I hate having to sort things. :(


Ya know what, I think Derek's on to something here. I guess I'm either rusty or delirous from my multitasking skills of watching Chuck on DVD while hunting the Time-Lost Proto-Drake, Individually Aligned Slippery Bastard (curse you, WoW, curse you!!! And no, none of that is a hint before you read too far into it)... or some combination of both...

BUT, Derek's right. "OMG Protectors, you let our investigator die, townie, townie, townie" is how that reads.

Vote: Crychon

[Derek B]

Ya know what, I think Derek's on to something here. I guess I'm either rusty or delirous from my multitasking skills of watching Chuck on DVD while hunting the Time-Lost Proto-Drake, Individually Aligned Slippery Bastard (curse you, WoW, curse you!!! And no, none of that is a hint before you read too far into it)... or some combination of both...

BUT, Derek's right. "OMG Protectors, you let our investigator die, townie, townie, townie" is how that reads.

Vote: Crychon

I wish I could trust you, would make me feel better about someone following my lead when I feel like I'm barely being coherent. :p

While you're on though, how do you feel about the silencers we have going on? They seem to have targetted the following people...

SILENCER 1:
N1: Derek B
N2: Zeel1 (scum)
N3: skipped
N4: dww/Sazzita

SILENCER 2:
N1: petrija
N2: Jman2k3
N3: skipped
N4: Tha Black Phenom

Looking at that, who would you say is town and who would you say is scum? Are they both town? Are they both scum?

[Crychon]

Seriously? You vote for me?

You are totally 100% scum.

First of all, I don't have a night ability, I have a day ability, no recruitments here.

Second of all, my character is female, and none of the people mentioned in the recruitment sections of the writeup have been female, so.... What legs do your claims have to stand on again?

None?

Oh, that's right.

[Comradebot]

I wish I could trust you, would make me feel better about someone following my lead when I feel like I'm barely being coherent. :p

While you're on though, how do you feel about the silencers we have going on? They seem to have targetted the following people...

SILENCER 1:
N1: Derek B
N2: Zeel1 (scum)
N3: skipped
N4: dww/Sazzita

SILENCER 2:
N1: petrija
N2: Jman2k3
N3: skipped
N4: Tha Black Phenom

Looking at that, who would you say is town and who would you say is scum? Are they both town? Are they both scum?

I'd say the first silencer is almost certainly scum... and I'd guess not in the same group as Zeel. Plausible, but most "we silence ourselves!!!" plays tend to go down N1.

The second...

I'm leaning town. I don't see their being two scum silencers, and, honestly, why on earth would scum silence Jman? So he can't inform us he's off to bed? Please.

And Crychon fires back with "SCUUUUUUUM!!!"

Sorry to prod, Crych, but I can't help but be a bush-league disturbance from time to time.

[Crychon]

I'd say the first silencer is almost certainly scum... and I'd guess not in the same group as Zeel. Plausible, but most "we silence ourselves!!!" plays tend to go down N1.

The second...

I'm leaning town. I don't see their being two scum silencers, and, honestly, why on earth would scum silence Jman? So he can't inform us he's off to bed? Please.

And Crychon fires back with "SCUUUUUUUM!!!"

Sorry to prod, Crych, but I can't help but be a bush-league disturbance from time to time.

He is scum, though.

He was totally stalling the lynch yesterday, and he's (and you are) voting for me because I was frustrated with the protectors?

And go ahead and prod, I'm evil, and proud of it!

I'm sorry, but after being on the winning end of the Dr. Horrible game, this game seems to be heading a similar way in the fact that people aren't participating enough or making anything out of the earlier phases, which will bite us in the end.

[Comradebot]

He is scum, though.


I'd say the first silencer is almost certainly scum... and I'd guess not in the same group as Zeel. Plausible, but most "we silence ourselves!!!" plays tend to go down N1.



SILENCER 1:
N1: Derek B
N2: Zeel1 (scum)
N3: skipped
N4: dww/Sazzita


Hmmmmmm?

[Derek B]

Seriously? You vote for me?

You are totally 100% scum.

First of all, I don't have a night ability, I have a day ability, no recruitments here.

Second of all, my character is female, and none of the people mentioned in the recruitment sections of the writeup have been female, so.... What legs do your claims have to stand on again?

None?

Oh, that's right.

Interesting reaction... I never actually said you were scum, just that you were doing exactly what scum would want the town to do. But thanks for the info. :)

Do you think the Syndicate might be out recruiting at night? I had a theory that they might be a scum group but I can't get it to fit with the write ups. And if anything was learned from the first game it's that you should make sure it's clear what scum the town is facing... Anti made sure of that. :p

If it isn't the Syndicate, then who is recruiting? Is it even a recruitment for sure? Anything you can contribute would be great, especially since I'm heading off soon and won't be here to wind people up.

I'd say the first silencer is almost certainly scum... and I'd guess not in the same group as Zeel. Plausible, but most "we silence ourselves!!!" plays tend to go down N1.

The second...

I'm leaning town. I don't see their being two scum silencers, and, honestly, why on earth would scum silence Jman? So he can't inform us he's off to bed? Please.

And Crychon fires back with "SCUUUUUUUM!!!"

Sorry to prod, Crych, but I can't help but be a bush-league disturbance from time to time.

Interesting. I'm in two minds about it given the targets that have been chosen so it's interesting to see how things are going. The N4 targets just seem really odd to me given the previous night targets, which is why I'm speculating about it.

[Derek B]

Hmmmmmm?

I did LOL when you said it too. But silencing me isn't worth the effort for me unless I gain from it. N1 doesn't help, it only gets in the way of me being able to do anything. In more ways than one.

[Derek B]

And now after 15 minutes without a reply, I'm off to work. I bet someone replies in the time it takes me to type this. :p

[Destiny]

Activity is slowing down a little in this game, perhaps due to i_effin_rule's game also going on.

[moon_lit_tears]

I think we need to figure out what's going on.

I'd like to hear what Crychon has to say about Dereks posts...

[bak42]

Since our protectors couldn't be bothered to keep an eye on SF, I hope at least a watcher was doing so.

[moon_lit_tears]

Since our protectors couldn't be bothered to keep an eye on SF, I hope at least a watcher was doing so.

Thing that bothers me the most is, I don't see a name in the players list who wouldn't know to protect an outer investigator.

[Crychon]

Interesting reaction... I never actually said you were scum, just that you were doing exactly what scum would want the town to do. But thanks for the info. :)

Do you think the Syndicate might be out recruiting at night? I had a theory that they might be a scum group but I can't get it to fit with the write ups. And if anything was learned from the first game it's that you should make sure it's clear what scum the town is facing... Anti made sure of that. :p

If it isn't the Syndicate, then who is recruiting? Is it even a recruitment for sure? Anything you can contribute would be great, especially since I'm heading off soon and won't be here to wind people up.



Interesting. I'm in two minds about it given the targets that have been chosen so it's interesting to see how things are going. The N4 targets just seem really odd to me given the previous night targets, which is why I'm speculating about it.

Well, honestly, who would've been a better option for the protector to protect? I mean, yeah, they could've thought the mafia didn't have the guts to go after SF, but still, SF was an investigator who provided 2 non-town results in 2 days. Of course the scum's going to want him dead, but there was no one who was worth protecting more than him.

No problem for the info either. Now, I'm going to stop posting for a bit, as that's what the scum would want me to do...

[Dragonmack]

Well, I am not getting anything out of the write ups other than the one thing I know about. Which doesn't give us any new information. Also Comradebot, I actually have two of Time-Lost Proto-Drake, Individually Aligned Slippery Bastard :p

I will hold off on voting for Crychon for now, as I want to see his response.

[Crychon]

Well, I am not getting anything out of the write ups other than the one thing I know about. Which doesn't give us any new information. Also Comradebot, I actually have two of Time-Lost Proto-Drake, Individually Aligned Slippery Bastard :p

I will hold off on voting for Crychon for now, as I want to see his response.

To...?

[Dragonmack]

To why the early interest appears to be on you. Frankly I would have thought that interest should have gone towards the people who decided stalling out on Thekenwyne was a better way to go. But since I have no info to go on so far, not having any kind of information gathering role, I am following along with the early trend, which is you Crychon.

[Derek B]

Activity is slowing down a little in this game, perhaps due to i_effin_rule's game also going on.

You could try contributing something other than a redundant statement of redundancy.

Since I know you read, you could try answering some of prague's questions that he posed to Sazzita before she was replacedb by DWW, who is currently unable to answer them but who has not been forgotten about.

Well, honestly, who would've been a better option for the protector to protect? I mean, yeah, they could've thought the mafia didn't have the guts to go after SF, but still, SF was an investigator who provided 2 non-town results in 2 days. Of course the scum's going to want him dead, but there was no one who was worth protecting more than him.

No problem for the info either. Now, I'm going to stop posting for a bit, as that's what the scum would want me to do...

SF was the only real option... I wasn't arguing with you there, I was adding my voice to the pile of people who couldn't believe he wasn't protected. Someone else seemed to be protected though, so it might not be all bad. We just need to find some and get people actually playing. It worries me how few people are posting AND that no-one else seems to be looking for anything. Feels kinda dead in here, and that doesn't please me on any conceivable level.

Well, I am not getting anything out of the write ups other than the one thing I know about. Which doesn't give us any new information. Also Comradebot, I actually have two of Time-Lost Proto-Drake, Individually Aligned Slippery Bastard :p

I will hold off on voting for Crychon for now, as I want to see his response.

To...?

A vote on Dragonmack from you maybe? :p

CHANGE VOTE: No Vote

I'm gonna compile my notes on write ups (after going through them all again) and hopefully get some more discussion going. Agree/disagree... voice an opinion, play the game. Mafia isn't meant to be played by people who say and do nothing, it's supposed to be about arguing with each other til we almost all stop being friends then making up again at endgame and appreciating how awesome we've all been. :)

[Crychon]

To why the early interest appears to be on you. Frankly I would have thought that interest should have gone towards the people who decided stalling out on Thekenwyne was a better way to go. But since I have no info to go on so far, not having any kind of information gathering role, I am following along with the early trend, which is you Crychon.

Notice how I got votes on me as soon as I brought up the fact that the vote stalled out yesterday? From the guy who did it?

Yeah. Interest is basically on me because I said protectors should've protected our investigator, and that I still think The Kenwyne or TBP would be a good direction, as I don't trust them.

My response to that? Pretty lame reasoning for having interest on me.

[BlueStar]

Since our protectors couldn't be bothered to keep an eye on SF, I hope at least a watcher was doing so.

Well, I'm thinking the same thing. Even if you're a watcher and you know who's going to protecting the prime target...hell, I'd like to know who the protector is!

So....anyone got the guy who had the balls to off our investigator?

[BlueStar]

Stupid question perhaps but which character has the ability to turn someone into a statue?

Second one...is that character likely to be "town"?

[Derek B]

Notice how I got votes on me as soon as I brought up the fact that the vote stalled out yesterday? From the guy who did it?

Yeah. Interest is basically on me because I said protectors should've protected our investigator, and that I still think The Kenwyne or TBP would be a good direction, as I don't trust them.

My response to that? Pretty lame reasoning for having interest on me.

I voted on you for turning the phase straight down a path I think is going to be a waste of time, one that scum want to happen. The rest is a misunderstanding on your part.

And beyond that, I'm actually trying to generate useful discussion, which it feels like no-one else is doing.

Stupid question perhaps but which character has the ability to turn someone into a statue?

Second one...is that character likely to be "town"?

It's a Zelda character from VG1, he was the silencer for the team who won. I can't remember his name though, but I'm fairly confident they're town. Wanted to test a few people earlier with a probe into who they thought silencers were but it went nowhere interesting... despite me saying "interesting" a lot.

Write up breakdown soon.... then I'm off to watch Impact from last night.

[moon_lit_tears]

Notice how I got votes on me as soon as I brought up the fact that the vote stalled out yesterday? From the guy who did it?

Yeah. Interest is basically on me because I said protectors should've protected our investigator, and that I still think The Kenwyne or TBP would be a good direction, as I don't trust them.

My response to that? Pretty lame reasoning for having interest on me.


Don't think TBP is the right direction for today.....

[The Rock 13]

I'd say the first silencer is almost certainly scum... and I'd guess not in the same group as Zeel. Plausible, but most "we silence ourselves!!!" plays tend to go down N1.

The second...

I'm leaning town. I don't see their being two scum silencers, and, honestly, why on earth would scum silence Jman? So he can't inform us he's off to bed? Please.

And Crychon fires back with "SCUUUUUUUM!!!"

Sorry to prod, Crych, but I can't help but be a bush-league disturbance from time to time.



Surely though scum would rather keep Zeel alive, seeing as he was being pressured and taking attention off others. Unless it was his own group, which would be... confusing.

[BlueStar]

I voted on you for turning the phase straight down a path I think is going to be a waste of time, one that scum want to happen. The rest is a misunderstanding on your part.

And beyond that, I'm actually trying to generate useful discussion, which it feels like no-one else is doing.



It's a Zelda character from VG1, he was the silencer for the team who won. I can't remember his name though, but I'm fairly confident they're town. Wanted to test a few people earlier with a probe into who they thought silencers were but it went nowhere interesting... despite me saying "interesting" a lot.

Write up breakdown soon.... then I'm off to watch Impact from last night.

Didn't play VG1 one. Probably one of the few games I missed in the last 3-4 years....

[Comradebot]

Surely though scum would rather keep Zeel alive, seeing as he was being pressured and taking attention off others. Unless it was his own group, which would be... confusing.

1. It's not a horrible tactic, as no matter what went down it almost guaranteed a lynch on Zeel when the investigation came in.

2. I thought Zeel was mostly pressured after the investigation result came in, in which case he was already silenced?

[Derek B]

Didn't play VG1 one. Probably one of the few games I missed in the last 3-4 years....

Yeah, I think you said that earlier. Here's some useful info on people we might expect to see in this game... both town and scum.

Roles:

THE WINNERS: AXIS OF EVIL

Derek B

You are Bowser Axis of Evil Aligned Turtle Tyrant

The king koopa, the big baddy, you are Bowser himself. Sure you’ve had some horrible plans before, but this isn’t a plot about a princess, it’s about lives and control now.

With your gang Gannondorf (midnightnick), Robotnik (lostrelms) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason) you plan to forcefully take control of this town. Once per night you PM me the name of who you wish to kill and who in your group will be doing the kill.

You may speak with your gang outside of the game.

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players

midnightnick

You are Gannondorf Axis of Evil Aligned Power Triforce Owner

Foiled, again and again by Link, you have become frustrated. By teaming up with these other villains you feel that you stand a better chance. However, you are a bit smarter than the rest. You know that there are more with dark hearts out there.

Once per night, providing you are not doing the kill, you may search by PMing me a name who you feel can be recruited to your cause.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Robotnik (lostrelms) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

TheEdgeofReason

You are Vaati Axis of Evil Aligned Small Sorcerer

Who?

That’s the response most gamers have when your name is brought up, however you are a big time villain in a big time gamin series. To prove your worth you’ve joined with some more famous names to take over.

Three times in the game you may use your powers to turn a player to stone. This player will be unable to speak, vote or participate during the next day AND night phase. You may only do this if you are not doing the kill for the Axis.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Robotnik (Lostrelms) and Gannondorf (midnightnick).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Lostrelms

You are Robotnik Axis of Evil Aligned Crazy Doctor

You’ve learned to hate anything blue, fast or hedgehog-like. You, out of any villain in your gang, have been made to look the worst. All you wanted to do was turn animals into robots, is that so bad?

The main thing you bring to your gangmates is a very large weapon, the Death Egg. At any time during a day phase you may crash it, ending the day phase. Unfortunately you can only do this once.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Gannondorf (midnightnick) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Clarity

You are Riku, Secondary Alliance Aligned Misguided Heart

You are Riku, Axis of Evil Aligned Misguided Heart

You want to help your gang, but you don’t know who they are, nor do they know you. That’s why you’ve come up with the plan to lay low and help them in another way.

With your power of manipulation you may change someone’s vote during the day phase. To do this PM me the name of the person who you wish to change and the name of the person you want them to vote for.

You win if the Secondary Alliance out numbers all other players.
You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Roles:

Surviving Townies

Mr T Jobs To Me

You are Cats, Town Aligned Setter of the Bomb

“How are you gentlemen?” “All your base are belong to us.” “You have no chance to survive to survive, make your time.”

With these few lines you cemented your place in video game history. Now the town needs help, and you’re the best man…thing for the job. Be warned, if attacked you will set someone up the bomb.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

masterded:

You are Master Chief, Town Aligned Shot Gun Carrying Spartan

When **** goes down, you grab a gun. This time is no different; you aren’t getting taken down in the night. You plan on sleeping with your shotgun, and if anyone decides to mess with you, well they don’t deserve that face anyway.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

BIGJOSH

You are Cloud, Town Aligned Spikey-haired Super SOLIDER

You thought you were rid of him. You thought you killed him one…two…three times. Somehow he’s returned, and it’s up to you to find him. Sephiroth lurks among your townmates, and you cannot rest until he dies. Once per night you may PM me a name. You will receive a simple yes or no answer regarding whether or not that player is Sephiroth.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and Sephiroth dies before you.

i effin rule

You are Fox McCloud, Town Aligned Arwing Piloting Fox

As a pilot you are trained to be cool under pressure and depend on the help of others. Through whatever this encounter will bring you know there is one person … erm Falcon that will be there for you. Outside of the game you may speak to Falco (Jim Force) about strategy and whatnot.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

[Destiny]

If it helps at all, the role that I have for this game isn't listed in the previous post.