Video Game Mafia 2 Game Thread

[d_w_w]

Two town silencers?

WTF?

Or someone trying to look town.

[moon_lit_tears]

Or someone trying to look town.

I don't buy the living silencer is town. I think he's a scum silencer..

I'm confused about something else entirely though. I need to go back and read something.

[d_w_w]

I don't buy the living silencer is town. I think he's a scum silencer..

I'm confused about something else entirely though. I need to go back and read something.

I'd normally agree with you whole-heartedly - two town silencers seems like overkill.

But I can think of a list of good townie reasons to try to silence Shape (test his claim, he's not talking and voting much, so the cost is low, etc.) and very few good scum reasons (he claimed hider - so this was potentially a wasted ability for scum) to do so. Unless, like I said, someone is trying to look townie.

But I'm not really sure that that makes sense either.

[Jaded]

I'm assuming the silencer wanted to catch Shape lying, which suggests town to me. (by way of LAL)

Happy to add to pressure on DJ though.

Change vote: djthefunkchris

[gonvick]

Well, let's hope things work out better this time.

I second and third this motion. DJ not being replaced by now is extracting the urine. He hangs today, Shape follows him.

I'd actually prefer to go in the other order. I have trouble believing DJ would completely avoid a game just to lay low as scum. Maybe it's a new strategy, but that doesn't seem likely to me. As for why he hasn't been replaced, I don't know. Seems we're down to people re-entering the game as replacements, so maybe there's just a problem finding bodies.

However, none of that is to say that he isn't scum. Could be that someone else is sending in his ability, or he doesn't have an active one, so replacing him hasn't been as high a priority as it would otherwise be.

But, I'd rather lynch the guy who has actually played scummy, made a weak claim, and seemingly lied about his ability.

Vote: The Shape

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm assuming the silencer wanted to catch Shape lying, which suggests town to me. (by way of LAL)

Happy to add to pressure on DJ though.

Change vote: djthefunkchris

So because Shape admitted to not using his ability. him being silenced means he's scum?

You guys also believe two town silencers? I'm not buying it. I'm sorry I don't think the person silencing people is town.

[praguepride]

So because Shape admitted to not using his ability. him being silenced means he's scum?

You guys also believe two town silencers? I'm not buying it. I'm sorry I don't think the person silencing people is town.


Shape was laying low the whole game. When we were close to lynch he magically returns, drops a weak claim, and then leaves again? He cannot even be bothered to send in an ability four hours later?

I dont buy it. He is not a hider, he is a liar. I would much rather lynch a known liar then risk a mislynch on the AFK.

Plus, I am freaked about culty and The Shape is acting like typical cult leader, imo.

[gonvick]

So because Shape admitted to not using his ability. him being silenced means he's scum?

You guys also believe two town silencers? I'm not buying it. I'm sorry I don't think the person silencing people is town.

I think the weak claim is a better reason to think he's scum. Looking at the corpses in the graveyard, I have trouble believing Conker to be a town character. But if someone else has made a credible claim to be a similar sort of character, perhaps I can be pointed in that direction.

Not sure about two town silencers. Seems less likely, but I'm not ruling it out yet. Shape makes a good target for a town silencer, but also a good target for a scum silencer in an opposing scum group who wants to claim to be a second town silencer. And if he's not into the game, has a weakish scum role, and you think he's not going to survive the day phase anyway, it's not entirely unreasonable for a teammate to silence him in an effort to bolster a later town claim, though that seems much less likely, especially in this game.

[Paws7297]

Shoot. If I can get a replacement that would be great. I've been busy lately..

If not no problem. I will try to keep up.

[Jaded]

So because Shape admitted to not using his ability. him being silenced means he's scum?

You guys also believe two town silencers? I'm not buying it. I'm sorry I don't think the person silencing people is town.

I have to think that 99% of the time in Shape's position, if you were townie, you'd make REALLY sure you got the ability in that night. He didn't - could be RL stuff, could be a weird ploy of his, but I'm thinking the odds are that he's scum.

[Prophet]

It is now Evilday 7. With 24 remaining it is 13 to majority. You have until 11:00 PM EST Friday February 11th to reach majority

The Shape - 3 (praguepride, The Rock 13, gonvick)

djthefunkchris - 5 (moon_lit_tears, Bak42, Derek_B, JackalBane, Jaded)

Please point out any errors you may see. So I can fix it, and you can all form a circle around me, and point and laugh, and I can mentally relive my high school prom. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

Do we know anything about Derek_B? I think I might have some goodies.

[Astil]

Thank you Sir Prophet. Was just starting to do that when I noticed you posted :) :cool:

[moon_lit_tears]

Do we know anything about Derek_B? I think I might have some goodies.

I have...well thought I had something, but was wrong. Please share as this will be interesting to me.

[bak42]

Please point out any errors you may see. So I can fix it, and you can all form a circle around me, and point and laugh, and I can mentally relive my high school prom. :p
Can't we just slap you instead?:p

[Jman2k3]

vote: djthefunkchris

[mjdgoldeneye]

I have...well thought I had something, but was wrong. Please share as this will be interesting to me.

What I have is fairly circumstantial. It's not worth sharing unless someone has something more meaningful.

[Prophet]

It is now Evilday 7. With 24 remaining it is 13 to majority. You have until 11:00 PM EST Friday February 11th to reach majority

The Shape - 3 (praguepride, The Rock 13, gonvick)

djthefunkchris - 6 (moon_lit_tears, Bak42, Derek_B, JackalBane, Jaded, Jman2k3)

Thank you Sir Prophet. Was just starting to do that when I noticed you posted :) :cool:

My pleasure. Don't get used to it, though ... all this work is making me tired n' stuff. lol

Can't we just slap you instead?:p

You can, but my head may "accidentally" bounce off the blow up Bak button. Muahahahaha! Gonna be difficult to transition back to mortality after wielding such power. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

What I have is fairly circumstantial. It's not worth sharing unless someone has something more meaningful.

Does knowing one of his targets help?

[Derek B]

Yeah I'm still an idiot. Just checking. :p

Yeah that's who I had it down in my notes for, just haven't updated them yet.

So I'm thinking the other isn't a town silencer at all, but



This statement concerns me....

If the silencer isn't town, why vote for Shape? :confused:

The Rock 13 also concerns me. In the space of 2 posts he went from nothing to top of my scumlist.

Well, let's hope things work out better this time.



I'd actually prefer to go in the other order. I have trouble believing DJ would completely avoid a game just to lay low as scum. Maybe it's a new strategy, but that doesn't seem likely to me. As for why he hasn't been replaced, I don't know. Seems we're down to people re-entering the game as replacements, so maybe there's just a problem finding bodies.

However, none of that is to say that he isn't scum. Could be that someone else is sending in his ability, or he doesn't have an active one, so replacing him hasn't been as high a priority as it would otherwise be.

But, I'd rather lynch the guy who has actually played scummy, made a weak claim, and seemingly lied about his ability.

Vote: The Shape

Interesting post. You actually list my reasons for why DJ should be lynched. If he's done nothing all game then the replacements ahead of him (except petrija/MJD2.0) make no sense. Logically, that means he's done enough to not be replaced. Which means he has been around and hasn't posted OR someone is sending in abilities for him, which pretty much makes him scum either way.

Not gonna deny Shape is looking bad either, showing up to say what you are and not doing it is really, really lame... but at least there's a chance he will show up. DJ just isn't. He's deadweight on any vote (which might be important later on) and I believe him to be scum too. Seems a perfect candidate for lynching in a game with a low post count.

Shoot. If I can get a replacement that would be great. I've been busy lately..

If not no problem. I will try to keep up.

If you got replaced before DJ, I would never vote for anyone except DJ in this game until he was gone. I'd also have to have some baffled words with the mods, which would ve very one way since they'd not be able to confirm or deny any of the things I'd say to them. :(

I have to think that 99% of the time in Shape's position, if you were townie, you'd make REALLY sure you got the ability in that night. He didn't - could be RL stuff, could be a weird ploy of his, but I'm thinking the odds are that he's scum.

Do we know anything about Derek_B? I think I might have some goodies.

I've got loads on him, know what he's been up to and everything. As long as you're spelling it "Derek B"... he doesn't have the underscore any more. :p

I have...well thought I had something, but was wrong. Please share as this will be interesting to me.

After out exchange, this makes me chuckle. After realising I was probably wrong about you, it makes me laugh to find out you were probably wrong about me. You might be able to piece it together if you look though. :)

What I have is fairly circumstantial. It's not worth sharing unless someone has something more meaningful.

I've got no worries about you sharing whatever you've got. I already said I might full claim today just to give us a platform to build off. Ball is in your court.

[moon_lit_tears]

I thought you were, well you may know being as I said what I dud, but I was wrong.

What concerns me is that people are screaming cult. If that's true you concern me, IF you are not what I have you down for in my notes. For towns sake I hope I'm right. :p

[trypio]

Something sure is fishy about dj being silent and not being replaced.

vote: djthefunkchris

There's three possibillities here I think:
1) He has an important townie role and isn't posting because he thinks he'll avoid an early death this way. And if so, he's doing a good job right now.

2) He has an unimportant townie role and isn't active. Might be a reason why Astil didn't replace him yet...

3) He's scum/indy and wants to lay low as long as possible.

I don't really see why he'd choose option 3 tbh. It would be rather dumb, as silent guys always get checked out during the mid-game phase when there are no other viable targets and he's too smart for doing that. I think option 1 is the most reasonable one.

Either way, he'll either start talking or get replaced in the coming hours. I doubt he'll go down without a fight if he's really playing. And if he's really not active I'm sure Astil will (have) ask(ed) him now by pm if he's active or not.

[Derek B]

I thought you were, well you may know being as I said what I dud, but I was wrong.

What concerns me is that people are screaming cult. If that's true you concern me, IF you are not what I have you down for in my notes. For towns sake I hope I'm right. :p

Since I was the first to mention cult, I'm wondering if there is one or not. The section of the write up that some people think is a cult recruitment might not be... it's never failed by the looks of thigns, which worries me one way or another, but the last write up with Dragonmack's death stood out as being weird. It makes me wonder about it, especially since the opening write up didn't seem to mention a cult at all. Given that it was VG1 that caused such a stir with not disclosing scum threats, it's something I feel the mods would have addressed this time around.

All in all, I just want to win this game and that requires lynches and that's something I can help with. I'm still in favour of DJ, happy if Shape goes and very interested to hear anything from The Rock 13.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I've got no worries about you sharing whatever you've got. I already said I might full claim today just to give us a platform to build off. Ball is in your court.

Any reason why I wouldn't have been able to target you?

[Derek B]

Any reason why I wouldn't have been able to target you?

None that I know of. I've already been targetted at least twice in this game that I know of so me being untargettable would be quite the surprise.

[mjdgoldeneye]

None that I know of. I've already been targetted at least twice in this game that I know of so me being untargettable would be quite the surprise.

Alright, I'm pretty sure I'm going to Vote: Derek B.

If you want to claim, go ahead.

[moon_lit_tears]

Alright, I'm pretty sure I'm going to Vote: Derek B.

If you want to claim, go ahead.

Interesting, any reason why?

[Derek B]

Alright, I'm pretty sure I'm going to Vote: Derek B.

If you want to claim, go ahead.

My claim is hidden in my first post (as it often is when I'm town) among the scum smileys and my role is... well, you should be able to work it out from there easily enough.

If you want targets then let me know. And yes, I'm going to make people work a little bit to get this info. Reading is important too, and I still find it weird that so few people notice how much info I put into my early posts. Almost every game has a strong hint of some kind in my first 3 posts if you take the time to decipher it. :)

Time for some quid pro quo. Tell me about yourself. :cool:

[Derek B]

Interesting, any reason why?

I've read the write up and can probably guess. Raises some interesting questions of it's own. :)

[mjdgoldeneye]

My claim is hidden in my first post (as it often is when I'm town) among the scum smileys and my role is... well, you should be able to work it out from there easily enough.

If you want targets then let me know. And yes, I'm going to make people work a little bit to get this info. Reading is important too, and I still find it weird that so few people notice how much info I put into my early posts. Almost every game has a strong hint of some kind in my first 3 posts if you take the time to decipher it. :)

Time for some quid pro quo. Tell me about yourself. :cool:

It matters little when there's an apparent cult...

...and I couldn't recruit you last night...

(Not into the cult... Do I need to even say that?)

[Derek B]

My claim is hidden in my first post (as it often is when I'm town) among the scum smileys and my role is... well, you should be able to work it out from there easily enough.

If you want targets then let me know. And yes, I'm going to make people work a little bit to get this info. Reading is important too, and I still find it weird that so few people notice how much info I put into my early posts. Almost every game has a strong hint of some kind in my first 3 posts if you take the time to decipher it. :)

Time for some quid pro quo. Tell me about yourself. :cool:

Without giving so much away that people don't have to go look for themselves to find it, there is a tweak that makes my ability different from what you'd expect it to. I'm still not sure if I consider it an improvement, but it's the most likely thing to be mentioned once some reading has been done so I should probably mention it first. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

It matters little when there's an apparent cult...

...and I couldn't recruit you last night...

(Not into the cult... Do I need to even say that?)

Wait....what?

[Derek B]

It matters little when there's an apparent cult...

...and I couldn't recruit you last night...

(Not into the cult... Do I need to even say that?)

Saying any of that is a bad move. You know someone is going to say "a recruiter, get him!" and now you're life expectancy v2.0 is down to insignificant levels because everyone (except Dragonmack) seems to know the value of being able to speak in groups.

I guess that makes me the person who was behind a samurai last night. That's interesting.

[gonvick]

Interesting post. You actually list my reasons for why DJ should be lynched. If he's done nothing all game then the replacements ahead of him (except petrija/MJD2.0) make no sense. Logically, that means he's done enough to not be replaced. Which means he has been around and hasn't posted OR someone is sending in abilities for him, which pretty much makes him scum either way.

Not gonna deny Shape is looking bad either, showing up to say what you are and not doing it is really, really lame... but at least there's a chance he will show up. DJ just isn't. He's deadweight on any vote (which might be important later on) and I believe him to be scum too. Seems a perfect candidate for lynching in a game with a low post count.

Not saying that DJ shouldn't be lynched, just that I'd lynch Shape first. I'm more confident that he's scum. DJ looks kind of bad, but being that it's based largely on behind the scenes happenings that can only be speculated about, I could see it turning up bad for us. Where as I'm fairly sure the Shape lynch is a good one.

As long as we have to wait to lynch one of them next day phase anyway, I'd rather wait on DJ. But that's me. I don't see the downside to lynching the scummier one before the more mysterious one.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Saying any of that is a bad move. You know someone is going to say "a recruiter, get him!" and now you're life expectancy v2.0 is down to insignificant levels because everyone (except Dragonmack) seems to know the value of being able to speak in groups.

I guess that makes me the person who was behind a samurai last night. That's interesting.

I'd prefer it if you didn't assume.

I am not in a group. I am by myself. I started by myself and, as I said, Pet never did anything.

I also didn't get "You couldn't find your target" or "You were unsuccessful". I was told my targeted was uninterested.

The way you've been posting since I started talking now is representative of classic scum Derek. I'm not just making it up. You make sure to presume things quickly and preemptively in order to appear as though you're aware of everything and that everything is alright. You also do a lot of "hmm"ing and pondering when you want to change attention. Your entire tone is notable. I hope I'm not the only one to feel that way.

I said what I said because I am fairly confident that you are not with us. Your posts are providing further evidence.

People, we have a cult. There HAS to be one. I'm a mason recruiter and there's too few kills for there not to be a cult too. If anyone was recruited, it was Derek. Hell, I tried to recruit him myself.

I've been glancing at the dead-pool since I died and I can safely say the town in this game has been anemic. We have to do SOMETHING. It's this far into the game and Derek is still alive despite being one of about 4 people who are regularly posting. Plus, he just made a post where he questions the existence of a cult despite it being blatantly obvious that there is one.

If there are any town left, come on. This should be pretty obvious.

[moon_lit_tears]

Thing is. I know one of his targets......

It wax Petrija, so, if he's a cult recruiter....that speaks bad for you......

[Derek B]

Thing is. I know one of his targets......

It wax Petrija, so, if he's a cult recruiter....that speaks bad for you......

Before I retort to MJD, I have to say this makes me chuckle. Petrija was my N5 target, as you alluded to earlier. I'm not the silencer, but I'll cover that properly in my retort.

Until then, this makes me laugh.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Thing is. I know one of his targets......

It wax Petrija, so, if he's a cult recruiter....that speaks bad for you......

Um... common sense... :p

If he tried to recruit me, he'd have failed as I failed to recruit him. Your post hinges on the idea that he's a cult recruiter. If he's a cult recruiter, I know because he recruited me (and therefore I have, like, no reason to try to get him lynched) or because I failed to recruit him. If I failed to recruit him, that'd mean I was, in fact, a recruiter. If he was a recruiter and I failed to recruit him, he'd fail to recruit me too.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Hey, The Shape, you're wanted in the thread. ;)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Thing is. I know one of his targets......

It wax Petrija, so, if he's a cult recruiter....that speaks bad for you......

Also, by the way, I never said he was a cult recruiter. I don't think he's a cult recruiter.

I think he was recruited into the cult.

[d_w_w]

Hey, The Shape, you're wanted in the thread. ;)

I think he's unavailable.

Also, by the way, I never said he was a cult recruiter. I don't think he's a cult recruiter.

I think he was recruited into the cult.

I am not sure what to make of this yet, but I'd really like Derek to explain why he would be unable to be recruited by a townie mason.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I think he's unavailable.

Oh, yea, forgot about that bit... :p

I am not sure what to make of this yet, but I'd really like Derek to explain why he would be unable to be recruited by a townie mason.

I probably jumped the gun a little. He's far from innocent, but proper circumstances would make it make sense.

However, he walked right into very outwardly embracing that the samurai got in the way (which I fully expected, just like miller claims EVERY TIME I investigate someone).

He didn't say "Oh, that's because X". He just grabbed the closest and easiest explanation. He grabbed hard, too, with the "Interesting." at the end (to try to get people to discuss why the samurai was guarding him or whatever).

[Derek B]

I'd prefer it if you didn't assume.

I am not in a group. I am by myself. I started by myself and, as I said, Pet never did anything.

I also didn't get "You couldn't find your target" or "You were unsuccessful". I was told my targeted was uninterested.

The way you've been posting since I started talking now is representative of classic scum Derek. I'm not just making it up. You make sure to presume things quickly and preemptively in order to appear as though you're aware of everything and that everything is alright. You also do a lot of "hmm"ing and pondering when you want to change attention. Your entire tone is notable. I hope I'm not the only one to feel that way.

I said what I said because I am fairly confident that you are not with us. Your posts are providing further evidence.

People, we have a cult. There HAS to be one. I'm a mason recruiter and there's too few kills for there not to be a cult too. If anyone was recruited, it was Derek. Hell, I tried to recruit him myself.

I've been glancing at the dead-pool since I died and I can safely say the town in this game has been anemic. We have to do SOMETHING. It's this far into the game and Derek is still alive despite being one of about 4 people who are regularly posting. Plus, he just made a post where he questions the existence of a cult despite it being blatantly obvious that there is one.

If there are any town left, come on. This should be pretty obvious.

For someone happy to rant, you are very capable at misreading. I didn't say you were in a group, just that talking in groups is a valuable power to have, one that gets you killed if you admit to it.

And most of what you say about me is true. I like to say things first as it helps to maintain a reputation that I seem to know what's going on. Despite how often I'm wrong, the reputation generally does well out of it because I'm generally one step ahead of most people... but given how little effort some people make, it would be embarassing to put in as much effort as I often do without being ahead. :p

As for playing like scum... I find I think better when I'm in a scum mindset. I think faster, I type more accurately and I can weave my thoughts better when I feel like I'm scum. When I'm just playing as a townie I kinda bumble along (relatively speaking) but I play like scum I can actually get stuff done.

Anywho, since it's becoming apparent that people aren't going to do their homework. I am...

Riku, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Black Heart
from Kingdom Hearts

One of the winning members of the Axis of Evil from VG1, Riku was a late recruit who could manipulate votes. The ability in this game is tweaked but has the same basic function. I go out at night to steal someone's vote, and during the day phase their vote will follow mine. If I don't vote, it doesn't follow them. See the difference in the D3 and D5 lynches, which is partly down to my vote though D3 is still one vote early with that in mind.

My targets have all been successful and have been:

N1: ShadowedFlames (cos I wasn't sure he'd be around to use his vote and it amused me to steal from my co-mod)
N2: praguepride (cos he seemed scummy to me at the time)
N3: skipped while I was asleep so I didn't get anything in
N4: Crychon (cos he disagreed with me on TheKenwyne/TBP indyness and I wanted to keep them alive)
N5: petrija (cos it was clear she wasn't doing anything with it)
N6: djthefunkchris (cos it's clear he isn't doing anything with it)

.....

So, MJD. Why is your recruitment not shown in the write up while the "cult" is? And what was the deal with our brother Vaati in his death scene? You can be as sure as you like about there being a cult, but that doesn't fit in with the theories of who would be in the scum groups prior to this phase? The opening write up had some people and it seems Sonic (speedy jumpy killer) is one of them. And with Wolf Hawkins as part of a group from his canon that is... unlikely to field Sonic or the pick-up-and-throw killer in it, who or what is this cult? And how does that factor in with your own recruitment attempt? How many groups can there be in this game?

In short, how can you balance these factors logically with what we know and what can be reasonably assumed? Again, I've made assumptions about who you are given what you've revealed so don't feel compelled to reveal anything about yourself at this point if you don't want to, but scaremongering is a game that scum play to push lynches on bad choices. And nothing scaremongers more than the threat of a cult, of which I'm not a member. Obviously. :p

Video Game Mafia 2

Night Phase 6

Once again they moved to the night, without answers, hoping for something better in the day time.

***

He took his target aside. Once again someone would be shown the way.

***

He walked with a purpose towards his target but a samurai stood in his way. Weird. He would have to try again at a later point.

***

She was alone, confused at why she was weaker than before. It was quick, painless. Crychon couldn't respond to the attack that killed her.

***

He finished his magic, but had a blank look in his eyes. He wasn't himself. That didn't stop the blade from sliding through Dragonmack.

***

He moved in. Today someone would feel pain! There goal would move closer to reality. His target, finally someone he could strike.

Cold steel against the back of his neck. Sunnuva! He jerked forward as the Samurai moved to cut him. It was silly now, he would never get to do anything.

***

The Two is a statue. He cannot talk in the thread.
The Shape is knocked out. He cannot talk in the thread.
Crychon is dead. He was Ultimeccia, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Time Witch
Dragonmack is dead. He was Vaati, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Stoner

It is now Evilday 7. With 24 remaining it is 13 to majority. You have until 11:00 PM EST Friday February 11th to reach majority

Kill attempts and what some people say is a recruitment, but that reads to me more like a redirection in this write up. MJD claims to not be in there with his own recruitment attempt. Yet someone approaches another in there only to be spurned by a samurai. Logic says I'm behind the samurai and MJD is blocked... assuming MJD is the first of the two to approach and not the second.

I'm not surprised I was targetted last night, I just didn't realise I had been until MJD brought this up. Thanks to your Mr Samurai... I just wonder who you are now. :)

[Derek B]

Oh, yea, forgot about that bit... :p



I probably jumped the gun a little. He's far from innocent, but proper circumstances would make it make sense.

However, he walked right into very outwardly embracing that the samurai got in the way (which I fully expected, just like miller claims EVERY TIME I investigate someone).

He didn't say "Oh, that's because X". He just grabbed the closest and easiest explanation. He grabbed hard, too, with the "Interesting." at the end (to try to get people to discuss why the samurai was guarding him or whatever).

I remember when I did that in Catfish Creek... was weird how eerily fast I was completely right about my position in the night write up and what had happened. Shame I pretty much sucked from that point onwards. :p

Just because I can put things together doesn't mean I'm privy to any more info that anyone else. I just put in the time and effort to actually play games and think about things. I even take the time to break down write ups into what abilities seem to be being used, but I don't share theories that will misguide people until I'm either fairly confident in their accuracy or there might be something that people are just not mentioning. In this game, the cult idea was one I brought up after there may have been 3 recruits in the write ups because no-one else had mentioned it and we needed something to push people forward.

I now think I'm wrong about it. Hell, the next night phase write up might prove me right. Or lynching one of the obvious candidates for scum can bring new information to light. In deference to gonvick, my vote will move to whoever has the most votes (not including my own) with about 12 hours to go. Might be a little more cos I think I'm at work by then.

And lastly... I have to joke at MJD... not sure why you'd want to recruit me, we suck as a team. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

So, MJD. Why is your recruitment not shown in the write up while the "cult" is? And what was the deal with our brother Vaati in his death scene? You can be as sure as you like about there being a cult, but that doesn't fit in with the theories of who would be in the scum groups prior to this phase? The opening write up had some people and it seems Sonic (speedy jumpy killer) is one of them. And with Wolf Hawkins as part of a group from his canon that is... unlikely to field Sonic or the pick-up-and-throw killer in it, who or what is this cult? And how does that factor in with your own recruitment attempt? How many groups can there be in this game?

There has been multiple apparent recruitment attempts. I don't see why any of the established scum can't be part of a cult. They don't all have to be in the same group.

In short, how can you balance these factors logically with what we know and what can be reasonably assumed? Again, I've made assumptions about who you are given what you've revealed so don't feel compelled to reveal anything about yourself at this point if you don't want to, but scaremongering is a game that scum play to push lynches on bad choices. And nothing scaremongers more than the threat of a cult, of which I'm not a member. Obviously. :p

If the cult started with 1 member like I did, it'd be fair.

I mean, Riku will definitely be in the game, but who's to say you weren't cult from the very beginning? Heartless much? I'd wager that isn't the case, but I still find it likely that you were recruited.

It's simply logical.

Is their a cult? It's probable.

Is Derek still alive? Yes.

Is it past Night 3? Yes.

How many times have I, alone, recruited you? How many times have I been able to recruit? The answers are "a few times" and "not often". :p You're a good choice for recruitment.

Kill attempts and what some people say is a recruitment, but that reads to me more like a redirection in this write up. MJD claims to not be in there with his own recruitment attempt. Yet someone approaches another in there only to be spurned by a samurai. Logic says I'm behind the samurai and MJD is blocked... assuming MJD is the first of the two to approach and not the second.

I'm not surprised I was targetted last night, I just didn't realise I had been until MJD brought this up. Thanks to your Mr Samurai... I just wonder who you are now. :)

Did you miss what I said? You back up my point even more.

I didn't simply fail, I was told my target was uninterested. "Uninterested" implies I actually got to communicate with you...

[mjdgoldeneye]

I remember when I did that in Catfish Creek... was weird how eerily fast I was completely right about my position in the night write up and what had happened. Shame I pretty much sucked from that point onwards. :p

Just because I can put things together doesn't mean I'm privy to any more info that anyone else. I just put in the time and effort to actually play games and think about things.

I was talking about the fact that you presumed you were working with all the information. You put it all together... given a false premise.

I was suggesting that, if you were cult, it'd be in your best interests to put my information together before I could to make sure it left the first impression YOU wanted. The fact is, the nature of my failure was not as you predicted.

See my above post and several others you seem to have missed.

And lastly... I have to joke at MJD... not sure why you'd want to recruit me, we suck as a team. :p

Eventually it'll work. Eventually. :cool:

[mjdgoldeneye]

I hate Derek... He really didn't say anything to change my mind, but I've totally lost all my momentum...

Did you book me to be buried by Dusty Bin or something? :mad:

:p

[Derek B]

I was talking about the fact that you presumed you were working with all the information. You put it all together... given a false premise.

I was suggesting that, if you were cult, it'd be in your best interests to put my information together before I could to make sure it left the first impression YOU wanted. The fact is, the nature of my failure was not as you predicted.

See my above post and several others you seem to have missed.



Eventually it'll work. Eventually. :cool:

I didn't miss what you said, but I did actually mean to say something to it before I got sidetracked.

All my results PMs have specifically stated the name of the person who's vote I was messing with. If your PM didn't specifically mention me by name then there could be something going on there. You don't have any previous results to go on, which is unfortunate, but the way ShadowedFlames revealed his results seemed to indicate that he was getting names too. MLT can probably also confirm this to be true, if you require that kind of info.

I could again be off-base with that thought, but it's one that struck me as important between remembering to put ice cream back in the freezer and losing a train of thought. Again.

I hate Derek... He really didn't say anything to change my mind, but I've totally lost all my momentum...

Did you book me to be buried by Dusty Bin or something? :mad:

:p

TEW2010: More effective than voodoo. :p

At least I'm not trying to lynch you with your own vote... that's an old favourite trick of Riku's from VG1 and I really would like to do that to DJ as I feel he's the best route just now. :cool:

........

It's 1:30 here... I'm off to bed soon. So whatever else you have, fire it at me now and I'll see what I can do to reply. Unless you'd rather I didn't, in which case wait about 30 minutes and you've got about 8 hours in which to do some damage. :)

[moon_lit_tears]

K, well I'm gonna shut up then. I got from you that you thought he was recruiting. I was wrong I suppose. So I guess I'll be elsewhere being quiet. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

I didn't miss what you said, but I did actually mean to say something to it before I got sidetracked.

All my results PMs have specifically stated the name of the person who's vote I was messing with. If your PM didn't specifically mention me by name then there could be something going on there. You don't have any previous results to go on, which is unfortunate, but the way ShadowedFlames revealed his results seemed to indicate that he was getting names too. MLT can probably also confirm this to be true, if you require that kind of info.

I could again be off-base with that thought, but it's one that struck me as important between remembering to put ice cream back in the freezer and losing a train of thought. Again.

I know when I mod that I never refer to players by name in results so players can't make inferences about bus drivers or roleblockers or whatever.

I don't know how Astil does it, but it seems like including player names gives away far too much without any effort.

TEW2010: More effective than voodoo. :p

At least I'm not trying to lynch you with your own vote... that's an old favourite trick of Riku's from VG1 and I really would like to do that to DJ as I feel he's the best route just now. :cool:

I'm going to bring Optimus out of retirement, bring him to the U.S., and job him to Big Smack Scott. :cool:

Change Vote: djthefunkchris

Whatever...

[Derek B]

K, well I'm gonna shut up then. I got from you that you thought he was recruiting. I was wrong I suppose. So I guess I'll be elsewhere being quiet. :p

You could confirm/deny what I said to MJD before about names of players in results PMs. As someone with a result that would likely follow the same format you're in a position to contribute. :)

I know when I mod that I never refer to players by name in results so players can't make inferences about bus drivers or roleblockers or whatever.

I don't know how Astil does it, but it seems like including player names gives away far too much without any effort.



I'm going to bring Optimus out of retirement, bring him to the U.S., and job him to Big Smack Scott. :cool:

Change Vote: djthefunkchris

Whatever...

Part 1: I agree. Not that it's wrong to do it the other way, but I don't like naming names or targets in results PMs. I don't have any problem with mods who prefer to use names, but it's a similar argument I have with myself on whether I should send results to people who get blocked, but don't use an active ability anyways. Or in most cases, people who get blocked at all. Sometimes I think they should get told they were blocked, but I don't like telling people that... and I hate arguing with my brain because no-one ever wins that way.

Part 2: Optimus already jobbed to Dragonite... besides, I like Big Smack Scott. He's got a magical Scott Steiner quality about him that it's hard not to love, no matter how hard other people write him. BS Scott is officially awesome... but Dermot O'Logical could take him in a fight.

[moon_lit_tears]

I could, you are right. It proves nothing either way, so........no. :p. Isn't it past your bedtime. :cool:

[Derek B]

I could, you are right. It proves nothing either way, so........no. :p. Isn't it past your bedtime. :cool:

Yeah... I'm off to bed. Night all! :)

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 7. With 24 remaining it is 13 to majority. You have until 11:00 PM EST Friday February 11th to reach majority

The Shape - 3 (praguepride, The Rock 13, gonvick)

djthefunkchris - 8 (moon_lit_tears, Bak42, Derek_B, JackalBane, Jaded, Jman2k3, trypio, mjdgoldeneye)

[praguepride]

To quote a great man....

"hmmmmmmmm...."


I will ponder this. MJd as a "recruiting mason" or the fact that derek b attracts cult recruitment like Britt Spears attracts paparazzi

[djthefunkchris]

Ok, time to break the silence.

Sorry, I explained this in the other thread, but I'll give a quick rehash here.

I have been really busy lately, is the reason the silence started. I was able to keep up with the thread though, and I have let the mod(s) know I'm still around (the reason I haven't been replaced).

That's how it started.... Then I noticed I might be able to live longer if I just keep my mouth shut and not go all out in the games like I ussually do. I also wanted to know if I could actually keep my mouth shut. I found it easier then I thought it would be, to be honest. Seems not that hard.

I have been following though, and if there was an opportunity for me to whammy on what I thought would have been a good lynch, I would have (if time were cutting close). That hasn't happened ALL game though. Either it come plenty fast enough, or it wasn't even close.

With all that though, I'm not scum (well, you know what I mean... not against the town..) either. I have an ability, but I haven't used it yet.... for good reason. There was no reason to use it yet.

As for why I come forward now instead of keeping it up... Well, I feel that some people might have been getting a little worried about me, and although the mods didn't replace me, the thought has occured that they might not have had a replacement for me yet. I assure you I am alright (in real life). Just busier then ussual.

And the unwanted votes swinging my way helped in me coming out as well, lol.

Maybe this isn't a whole lot shorter then the other thread, but anyways, I have been following, and I will offer you something if I actually get anything. I've caught a few hints in the thread, so I know what some of you are claiming, but that's about it.

[djthefunkchris]

Bah, since I broke the silence I will tell you one thing that bothered me right from the very start.

I played the first game (briefly). I called it day 1 that Derek was scum, and I couldn't help but to think the same thing again this game right off the bat...

Explanation: First game Derek was the DON, and he had himself silenced day 1. He also started the whole ":cool:" thing in that game, and used the :cool: the whole rest of the game. He's not doing that part this game, but the other thing happened to him right off the bat.

I wanted to wait and here what his responce would be after he was able to talk, and see if he thought maybe someone was trying to frame him by silencing him day 1...> but then another thought occured. I'll wait to explain that part later, but figured I would throw this out there for a discussion point if anyone was interested.

[djthefunkchris]

Also, I really am busy, so I am not able to post as much as I would like. I will be able to keep up though (as I have been so far), I'm sure. IF not, then I will actually let you guys know in the thread if I ask to be replaced. If I don't say I asked for it, take it as I am still active (in other words, don't worry about me).

The mods are pretty quick, at least with me... took less then a day for someone to ask me if I needed replaced (I guess that no one expects a whole 24 hour period of me not posting, lol).

[gonvick]

Also, I really am busy, so I am not able to post as much as I would like. I will be able to keep up though (as I have been so far), I'm sure. IF not, then I will actually let you guys know in the thread if I ask to be replaced. If I don't say I asked for it, take it as I am still active (in other words, don't worry about me).

The mods are pretty quick, at least with me... took less then a day for someone to ask me if I needed replaced (I guess that no one expects a whole 24 hour period of me not posting, lol).

I know you realize how scummy it looks to be silent for the whole game and then speak up when you are well on your way to being lynched. So perhaps you'd like to volunteer something of substance to back up your claim of being on the side of the town?

With you being as busy as you are, you might not be around enough to adequately respond to questions before the deadline, so maybe getting out in front of that would be helpful. If you are town, you don't want to put us in a situation where our only choice is to either lynch you or not lynch at all.

Can you offer anything about your character or ability that might make us want to look elsewhere?

[djthefunkchris]

I know you realize how scummy it looks to be silent for the whole game and then speak up when you are well on your way to being lynched. So perhaps you'd like to volunteer something of substance to back up your claim of being on the side of the town?

With you being as busy as you are, you might not be around enough to adequately respond to questions before the deadline, so maybe getting out in front of that would be helpful. If you are town, you don't want to put us in a situation where our only choice is to either lynch you or not lynch at all.

Can you offer anything about your character or ability that might make us want to look elsewhere?

Oh yeah, I know. However, this thread isn't the real reason I responded, but since I responded in the other thread it was only fair that I did it in this thread as well.

But I'm game for what your asking anyways. I tried to hint already, but I guess it's a bit vague.

Let's just say I can correct something. I believe you've seen something similar before on a more personal level. It's not the same, but can give something of the same result.

[djthefunkchris]

Don't get me wrong though. Votes on me definately got my attention, so to speak.

[gonvick]

Oh yeah, I know. However, this thread isn't the real reason I responded, but since I responded in the other thread it was only fair that I did it in this thread as well.

But I'm game for what your asking anyways. I tried to hint already, but I guess it's a bit vague.

Let's just say I can correct something. I believe you've seen something similar before on a more personal level. It's not the same, but can give something of the same result.

If it's what I think is most likely, the obvious question is whether it can be used selfishly, or only benevolently? Or is it a less common type?

I think I might see what you're getting at, but it's the type of thing that can make a decent fake claim. Something that's only useful in a certain situation, that may not arise any time soon, if at all, keeps you from having to prove anything.

Can you share anything about your character, or general info about the game they're from? Something to support the other part of your claim?

[djthefunkchris]

If it's what I think is most likely, the obvious question is whether it can be used selfishly, or only benevolently? Or is it a less common type?

I think I might see what you're getting at, but it's the type of thing that can make a decent fake claim. Something that's only useful in a certain situation, that may not arise any time soon, if at all, keeps you from having to prove anything.

Can you share anything about your character, or general info about the game they're from? Something to support the other part of your claim?

I can share a little more, but I don't want to go too far here. The only reason I'm even sharing is because I wasn't talking. I would hope someone has already looked into me at some point this game, and can confirm I haven't done anything at night, or might even be able to confirm my allignment. If not, then maybe I should go silent more often?

As for the sharing part... I don't know if you have me or not, but my character would have probably wanted to talk ALOT in the thread. That's about as close to me (as in myself) as he gets, outside of being able to keep his cool. He win's by any means necessary (not a quote of his, just my opinion after reading up on him).

I honestly only know these things because I had to look them up. I don't know my character, never heard of him. I can tell you that if you know the character that should have gave it away. That is about three huge hints. I feel that the best hint would give me totally away (and therefore would also give my ability completely away, as it fits him perfectly... at least to me).

[BlueStar]

Gonvick 2.0 has replaced Bluestar

Sorry to drop out but the wife's in the hospital so no real time for me to play...

[gonvick]

I can share a little more, but I don't want to go too far here. The only reason I'm even sharing is because I wasn't talking. I would hope someone has already looked into me at some point this game, and can confirm I haven't done anything at night, or might even be able to confirm my allignment. If not, then maybe I should go silent more often?

As for the sharing part... I don't know if you have me or not, but my character would have probably wanted to talk ALOT in the thread. That's about as close to me (as in myself) as he gets, outside of being able to keep his cool. He win's by any means necessary (not a quote of his, just my opinion after reading up on him).

I honestly only know these things because I had to look them up. I don't know my character, never heard of him. I can tell you that if you know the character that should have gave it away. That is about three huge hints. I feel that the best hint would give me totally away (and therefore would also give my ability completely away, as it fits him perfectly... at least to me).

I'm not sure you're in a position to avoid giving yourself away. By your own admission, your strategy so far has been to avoid helping the town to see if you would survive longer. That might be an interesting experiment from your perspective, but it doesn't exactly lead to confidence that you're not a threat. It would be one thing if you were doing something helpful at night where surviving longer might be worth not talking, but that doesn't seem to be the case here.

Since your play so far hasn't exactly been pro-town, I'd like something more specific regarding your character. Vague hints aren't going to be enough for me to think lynching you is a mistake. Maybe it would be, but I'd need something that works in your favor before I'd reach that conclusion.

But, since you're here, and obviously don't want to be lynched, what are your thoughts on Shape? Presumably you found his claim to be reasonable when he made it. Any change of opinion with him being silenced?

[Derek B]

I quoted lots of posts... deleted them all cos it's not worth them sitting there in the way of this.

Of all the one shot type abilities left in this game, I don't believe DJ's "claim". I said it earlier, anything short of a full claim is unacceptable after an absence like that. Given how much time has been spent talking about you (DJ) and how little you've seemed to care about this game, you need to make up for a lot of contributions.

And while I'm here, I have to say the following...

"Stop voting for yourself, stop voting for yourself, stop voting for yourself.... why are you voting for yourself?" :p :cool:

[Derek B]

I quoted lots of posts... deleted them all cos it's not worth them sitting there in the way of this.

Of all the one shot type abilities left in this game, I don't believe DJ's "claim". I said it earlier, anything short of a full claim is unacceptable after an absence like that. Given how much time has been spent talking about you (DJ) and how little you've seemed to care about this game, you need to make up for a lot of contributions.

And while I'm here, I have to say the following...

"Stop voting for yourself, stop voting for yourself, stop voting for yourself.... why are you voting for yourself?" :p :cool:

Work has called me in early so I'm gonna be heading out shortly. Wanted to argue with people for a while but it doesn't look like that's gonna be an option. But as I said earlier, my vote (and DJ's :p) goes to whoever has the most votes on them before I head out... which is still DJ.

There's enough people around to achieve a lynch, make it happen.

[moon_lit_tears]

Sorry to drop out but the wife's in the hospital so no real time for me to play...

Hope all is well..

[Destiny]

BlueStar, I also hope that everything is well at home. In game related news, I will likely vote for djthefunkchris later.

[moon_lit_tears]

DJ, does your ability have you out at night?

If so did you go out. On nights 2,3 and last night?

[Destiny]

I'd agree that djthefunkchris should answer those questions. He has a lot to answer.

[djthefunkchris]

DJ, does your ability have you out at night?

If so did you go out. On nights 2,3 and last night?

No, to all.

[moon_lit_tears]

No, to all.

You think D_B is scum, anyone else?

[djthefunkchris]

I didn't HAVE to come out. I didn't believe a lynch would go through if I never answered. I answered in another thread because of something totally unrelated to this game, and knew THAT could get me lynched if I didn't speak up here as well (people keeping track of me).

I haven't had anything to offer in the thread, that wasn't brought up. I don't get information. I'm from Apollo Justice.

I am being cooperative and answering questions. This won't be on my head if I'm lynched. I would suggest taking a stronger look at those that been trying to get me lynched since the start of the game, if I am lynched.

[djthefunkchris]

You think D_B is scum, anyone else?

Actually, I don't... I had a suspicion from the start of the game, but at this point I would think someone has already investigated him. Or at least I hope so.

Also, he was a villain in the last game, when he did that. He won, and if these are the same characters, I'm thinking they are definately town. Why he would do that "again" is beyond me, but at the same time, not sure he done that again. Could be someone just trying to make him look bad with that comparison.

[moon_lit_tears]

DJ, IF you are town then you know that being active and here IS helping. By being MIA and not helping you make yourself a distraction. If you are lynched some of that will be on you.

[djthefunkchris]

Work has called me in early so I'm gonna be heading out shortly. Wanted to argue with people for a while but it doesn't look like that's gonna be an option. But as I said earlier, my vote (and DJ's :p) goes to whoever has the most votes on them before I head out... which is still DJ.

There's enough people around to achieve a lynch, make it happen.

SO, your a vote manipulator?

[djthefunkchris]

DJ, IF you are town then you know that being active and here IS helping. By being MIA and not helping you make yourself a distraction. If you are lynched some of that will be on you.

I don't feel that way at all. I am not the only person that has been laying low, nor am I even close to the only person that has done this before. The reason it's so suspicous is because I am known to be a huge poster... but guess what. I post more when I'm scum. That much anyone knows that has played games when I am scum.

So no, I don't feel bad at all. It will be a bad move.

And my vote isn't on me anymore.:cool:

[moon_lit_tears]

I don't feel that way at all. I am not the only person that has been laying low, nor am I even close to the only person that has done this before. The reason it's so suspicous is because I am known to be a huge poster... but guess what. I post more when I'm scum. That much anyone knows that has played games when I am scum.

So no, I don't feel bad at all. It will be a bad move.

And my vote isn't on me anymore.:cool:

You make me LOL.

Change vote: no vote.

Will see what Mr B has to say.

[djthefunkchris]

But, since you're here, and obviously don't want to be lynched, what are your thoughts on Shape? Presumably you found his claim to be reasonable when he made it. Any change of opinion with him being silenced?

I'm on the wall about Shape. What troubles me more then anything is that he is silenced. It would be a good plan by scum to silence him, as most people wouldn't want to lynch someone that can't speak. However, I've been under the assumption that the silencer was town. It brings alot of new thoughts in my head if he ends up being scum.

[djthefunkchris]

You make me LOL.

Change vote: no vote.

Will see what Mr B has to say.

About what?? Will you question him about me, or ask him why he can go out at night AND manipulate votes in the day phase?

[Destiny]

I believe that the lynch on TheKenwyne went through with two less votes than it should have.

[djthefunkchris]

I believe that the lynch on TheKenwyne went through with two less votes than it should have.

/nod. Realise that I'm not saying he wasn't telling the truth. However, he also stated he went out at night when someone asked him.

[Destiny]

Well, I suppose Derek B may have took that question as "do you do anything at night?".

[d_w_w]

I hate Derek... He really didn't say anything to change my mind, but I've totally lost all my momentum...

Did you book me to be buried by Dusty Bin or something? :mad:

:p

Frankly, as someone who has co-modded with Astil before, I tend to think that he would have said "you could not find so and so" or something like that and not that your target was disinterested... but I could be wrong.

Maybe I'm paranoid about cults (given how badly Astil worked me as Rodgers), I'm really struggling to come up with a reason why a town character could not be recruited into a mason group. MJD said that it might make sense under the right context, but now says that Derek B hasn't said anything to change his mind.

The only way that this works out is if the Samurai did keep people from targeting Derek B. In which case, I really have a problem with the supposed wording of MJD's PM.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.

[d_w_w]

I didn't HAVE to come out. I didn't believe a lynch would go through if I never answered. I answered in another thread because of something totally unrelated to this game, and knew THAT could get me lynched if I didn't speak up here as well (people keeping track of me).

I haven't had anything to offer in the thread, that wasn't brought up. I don't get information. I'm from Apollo Justice.

I am being cooperative and answering questions. This won't be on my head if I'm lynched. I would suggest taking a stronger look at those that been trying to get me lynched since the start of the game, if I am lynched.

Hmm.

DJ, IF you are town then you know that being active and here IS helping. By being MIA and not helping you make yourself a distraction. If you are lynched some of that will be on you.

This. Pointing blame for a potential mislynch doesn't become you, DJ. Makes me think that there might actually be something to this push (when at first, honestly, I just thought that it was weird pressuring of an inactive).

Honestly DJ, I think the weight of this lynch falls on you. I really don't want the Derek B issue to go undiscussed for the rest of the phase, but you haven't convinced me to give you a pass either.

[moon_lit_tears]

About what?? Will you question him about me, or ask him why he can go out at night AND manipulate votes in the day phase?

Yes. I would like to know this.

Seems a bit much, no?

Still don't buy two town silencers.

[moon_lit_tears]

Frankly, as someone who has co-modded with Astil before, I tend to think that he would have said "you could not find so and so" or something like that and not that your target was disinterested... but I could be wrong.

Maybe I'm paranoid about cults (given how badly Astil worked me as Rodgers), I'm really struggling to come up with a reason why a town character could not be recruited into a mason group. MJD said that it might make sense under the right context, but now says that Derek B hasn't said anything to change his mind.

The only way that this works out is if the Samurai did keep people from targeting Derek B. In which case, I really have a problem with the supposed wording of MJD's PM.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.

Derek HAS been reached at least once this game. I was given information on this.

[Destiny]

I definately don't buy two town silencers. I'm not even sure why the one town silencer is choosing to use his ability when there is so much inactivity as it is.

[d_w_w]

Derek HAS been reached at least once this game. I was given information on this.

I know, but that isn't really the issue at hand anymore.

MJD started off by saying "any reason I couldn't target you", but he's claiming that he was trying to draw Derek B off.

Now, MJD is claiming that his PM said that Derek B "wasn't interested" in joining him.

Derek B has offered no reason why he wouldn't join and, instead, is leaning on the Samurai (as this person clearly stops people from reaching his target).

I believe MJD is telling the truth. I can't think of a sensible scummy reason to make this play.

Therefore, for me, the issue is the wording. Would MJD receive "wasn't interested" if he was not able to reach Derek B or would he only receive that wording if Derek B was not recruitable?

[moon_lit_tears]

I know, but that isn't really the issue at hand anymore.

MJD started off by saying "any reason I couldn't target you", but he's claiming that he was trying to draw Derek B off.

Now, MJD is claiming that his PM said that Derek B "wasn't interested" in joining him.

Derek B has offered no reason why he wouldn't join and, instead, is leaning on the Samurai (as this person clearly stops people from reaching his target).

I believe MJD is telling the truth. I can't think of a sensible scummy reason to make this play.

Therefore, for me, the issue is the wording. Would MJD receive "wasn't interested" if he was not able to reach Derek B or would he only receive that wording if Derek B was not recruitable?


Could MJs targets be given a choice if they choose to join?

O could only certain people be recruitable.

[moon_lit_tears]

Never mind option one would not make sense...

[d_w_w]

Could MJs targets be given a choice if they choose to join?

O could only certain people be recruitable.

Never mind option one would not make sense...

Option 2 does make sense though. Wonder if MJD can shed any light on whether Derek B's claim would fit that potential criteria.

[Destiny]

I'd like to hear Derek B's opinion on why he may not be recruitable, and whether mjdgoldeneye has received the same wording before in this game.

[d_w_w]

I'd like to hear Derek B's opinion on why he may not be recruitable, and whether mjdgoldeneye has received the same wording before in this game.

MJD replaced Petrija and Petrija was apparently inactive throughout the game.

[Destiny]

Ah yes, thanks for reminding me. I assume that mjdgoldeneye isn't a member of a cult then, if he is coming forward with this information.

[The Rock 13]

Why the hell would you choose not to post if you were following the game? Hell it might have kept you alive longer but it's wasted a damn bit of our time. The annoying this is, I believe you.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 7. With 24 remaining it is 13 to majority. You have until 11:00 PM EST Friday February 11th to reach majority

The Shape - 3 (praguepride, The Rock 13, gonvick)

djthefunkchris - 8 (moon_lit_tears, Bak42, Derek_B, JackalBane, Jaded, Jman2k3, trypio, mjdgoldeneye)

There will be partying tonight. And tomorrow. Probably Sunday too.

Just a warning. :cool:

[Tha Black Phenom]

My sparse two cents again, that 'time wasted' isn't entirely on him. I don't know, but it's seemed for the most part the town has been stuck on a one-road path clocking in at 10 mph for the most part of the game. And especially now, the focus has been shifted on the inactives... dangling around the likes of petrija, Shape and DJ when I'm sure the real threats are among the active folks skewing discussion, IMO. (or who used to... )

Not saying there shouldn't have been any attention on DJ, but I can see one of his points where he's coming from, about the proverbial lynch being solely on him or not. That said, town's making headway now, and it's looking up. Accordingly, I believe cooperation must be ripe from DJ's end.


But I'm just sayin'.

[Destiny]

I agree that it's good that conversation is being had once again, and I'd argue that djthefunkchris' participation has helped to fuel that.

[moon_lit_tears]

If this were day 2 I would be ok, but it's not. A NUMBER of phases have gone by and he said NOTHING. That concerns me.

The sad part is we will have another no lynch. Quiet townies and no lynches. We don't deserve to win this.

[praguepride]

I'm undecided about dj, but I am very decided about The Shape. For some stupid reason I think that if dj was scum he'd have been replaced or been discovered or something.

We've been talking about dj for 4 game days... I think just the absence of someone coming forward and saying "yeah, I caught him" says something, doesn't it?

Or was SF the only investigator in the entire game?


And there's still the MJD vs. derek situation. I say we split the difference and lynch Shape. He's the #1 scum in my book

[bak42]

I definately don't buy two town silencers. I'm not even sure why the one town silencer is choosing to use his ability when there is so much inactivity as it is.

Agreed, when I was a town silencer in Medical Mafia I stopped using my ability after the first night when I found out that there was another silencer out there.

[d_w_w]

If this were day 2 I would be ok, but it's not. A NUMBER of phases have gone by and he said NOTHING. That concerns me.

The sad part is we will have another no lynch. Quiet townies and no lynches. We don't deserve to win this.

Agreed.

I would be willing to vote on Shape for sure and maybe DJ this phase. It's funny - I was less willing to vote on DJ before he started posting and now I'm leaning in that general direction.

But really, right now, I'd just like to see what, if anything, MJD wants to do with the Derek B info. If there is a cult and if MJD's result implies that Derek is in the cult, then that's the most sensible lynch for the day.

[gonvick]

I haven't had anything to offer in the thread, that wasn't brought up. I don't get information. I'm from Apollo Justice.

I'd like a specific character claim. I'm not sure whether I believe this or not, but I think knowing exactly who you are could be quite helpful.

I'm on the wall about Shape. What troubles me more then anything is that he is silenced. It would be a good plan by scum to silence him, as most people wouldn't want to lynch someone that can't speak. However, I've been under the assumption that the silencer was town. It brings alot of new thoughts in my head if he ends up being scum.

You said that while you were being silent, you were willing to jump in on a close lynch. Shape was a couple votes shy last day phase and you didn't add a vote, so I'm presuming you didn't support lynching him then, so you must have found his claim believable. I'm curious if a claimed hider being silenced makes you question that claim more.

Frankly, as someone who has co-modded with Astil before, I tend to think that he would have said "you could not find so and so" or something like that and not that your target was disinterested... but I could be wrong.

Maybe I'm paranoid about cults (given how badly Astil worked me as Rodgers), I'm really struggling to come up with a reason why a town character could not be recruited into a mason group. MJD said that it might make sense under the right context, but now says that Derek B hasn't said anything to change his mind.

The only way that this works out is if the Samurai did keep people from targeting Derek B. In which case, I really have a problem with the supposed wording of MJD's PM.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.

Those sections could be a cult, and Derek changing his opinion about those and not being interested in joining a mason group could indicate that he's been recruited. If that's the case, then this cult would have at least 6 members already and we're probably screwed.

But the part in the N1 write up looks like it also roleblocks, which I'm not sure a recruitment attempt would. Though there's really no reason it couldn't, just not sure I would expect it.

Also, N1 there were 3 kills. Even if one was a Vig, which I'm not sure is the case, there's at least 2 scum killers. And there appears to be at least 4 different killing methods employed. I'm not sure how well a cult fits in with all this yet, especially since they would be having remarkable success thus far.

But maybe 1 scum group, 1 SK, and a cult, with recruiting masons to help balance it, could work. Not sure where the other kill comes in though.

And I can think of one reason why town Derek might not be interested in the mason group, but it would depend on who MJ is and what his purpose in setting up the mason group is.

[Derek B]

You make me LOL.

Change vote: no vote.

Will see what Mr B has to say.

I'm on the wall about Shape. What troubles me more then anything is that he is silenced. It would be a good plan by scum to silence him, as most people wouldn't want to lynch someone that can't speak. However, I've been under the assumption that the silencer was town. It brings alot of new thoughts in my head if he ends up being scum.

About what?? Will you question him about me, or ask him why he can go out at night AND manipulate votes in the day phase?

I know, but that isn't really the issue at hand anymore.

MJD started off by saying "any reason I couldn't target you", but he's claiming that he was trying to draw Derek B off.

Now, MJD is claiming that his PM said that Derek B "wasn't interested" in joining him.

Derek B has offered no reason why he wouldn't join and, instead, is leaning on the Samurai (as this person clearly stops people from reaching his target).

I believe MJD is telling the truth. I can't think of a sensible scummy reason to make this play.

Therefore, for me, the issue is the wording. Would MJD receive "wasn't interested" if he was not able to reach Derek B or would he only receive that wording if Derek B was not recruitable?

I'd like a specific character claim. I'm not sure whether I believe this or not, but I think knowing exactly who you are could be quite helpful.



You said that while you were being silent, you were willing to jump in on a close lynch. Shape was a couple votes shy last day phase and you didn't add a vote, so I'm presuming you didn't support lynching him then, so you must have found his claim believable. I'm curious if a claimed hider being silenced makes you question that claim more.



Those sections could be a cult, and Derek changing his opinion about those and not being interested in joining a mason group could indicate that he's been recruited. If that's the case, then this cult would have at least 6 members already and we're probably screwed.

But the part in the N1 write up looks like it also roleblocks, which I'm not sure a recruitment attempt would. Though there's really no reason it couldn't, just not sure I would expect it.

Also, N1 there were 3 kills. Even if one was a Vig, which I'm not sure is the case, there's at least 2 scum killers. And there appears to be at least 4 different killing methods employed. I'm not sure how well a cult fits in with all this yet, especially since they would be having remarkable success thus far.

But maybe 1 scum group, 1 SK, and a cult, with recruiting masons to help balance it, could work. Not sure where the other kill comes in though.

And I can think of one reason why town Derek might not be interested in the mason group, but it would depend on who MJ is and what his purpose in setting up the mason group is.

I hate to post and run but I've got more important places to be. So, in no particular order.

CHANGE VOTE: No Vote

DJ, look at night 4. Anything there look like it might be you? And any theories based on thoughts you might develop from there?

Then DJ (and perhaps others), go back and read what I said about my abilities at the time I full claimed. At night I target the person who's vote I'm stealing... then it gets used during the day. It has more detail there so read it.

No idea on any reasons for if I'd be unrecruitable. I can come up with a bunch of theories but the only person who would know for sure would be the mods.

Again, I hate to post and run but I'm away. Will likely be back online in about 4 or 5 hours, well before deadline so don't worry about me being AWOL. Just have other stuff that needs to be done.

One last thought though... I wish all the phases so far had been like this one. This is much better than it was before. :)

[Destiny]

Even though Derek B has claimed a character already, I can't help thinking that his ability is typically a scummy one.

[d_w_w]

But the part in the N1 write up looks like it also roleblocks, which I'm not sure a recruitment attempt would. Though there's really no reason it couldn't, just not sure I would expect it.


I'm not sure I agree. Is this the scene in question:

"He had walked up to his target and started up a discussion. His target had already done his job for the night, so he had no problem talking to this man."

Sounds like the person already finished his task, yes?

[d_w_w]

I'm not sure I agree. Is this the scene in question:

"He had walked up to his target and started up a discussion. His target had already done his job for the night, so he had no problem talking to this man."

Sounds like the person already finished his task, yes?

Oh, nevermind.

It's a scene above that.

/fail.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Frankly, as someone who has co-modded with Astil before, I tend to think that he would have said "you could not find so and so" or something like that and not that your target was disinterested... but I could be wrong.

Maybe I'm paranoid about cults (given how badly Astil worked me as Rodgers), I'm really struggling to come up with a reason why a town character could not be recruited into a mason group. MJD said that it might make sense under the right context, but now says that Derek B hasn't said anything to change his mind.

The only way that this works out is if the Samurai did keep people from targeting Derek B. In which case, I really have a problem with the supposed wording of MJD's PM.

I'd like to hear others thoughts on this.

It would make sense if he was already in a mason group or something. I actually thought he was initially claiming he was Bowser as that's what his first post's text implied. It would make sense for Bowser to be a mason.

I know, but that isn't really the issue at hand anymore.

MJD started off by saying "any reason I couldn't target you", but he's claiming that he was trying to draw Derek B off.

Now, MJD is claiming that his PM said that Derek B "wasn't interested" in joining him.

Derek B has offered no reason why he wouldn't join and, instead, is leaning on the Samurai (as this person clearly stops people from reaching his target).

I believe MJD is telling the truth. I can't think of a sensible scummy reason to make this play.

Therefore, for me, the issue is the wording. Would MJD receive "wasn't interested" if he was not able to reach Derek B or would he only receive that wording if Derek B was not recruitable?

To be honest, I didn't coordinate that first post very well. I was trying to be tricky, but it didn't really make sense in the end. If he was inherently untargetable, I wouldn't have gotten the result that I got.

Could MJs targets be given a choice if they choose to join?

O could only certain people be recruitable.

I can say that my PM doesn't say they get a choice. I'm not sure why they would.

Also, I don't see why particular townies wouldn't be recruitable as far as flavor goes.

As for Derek or DJ, I haven't had a chance to read very well because I'm kind of borrowing someone's computer right now. However, that said, I don't really trust either, especially DJ.

[Derek B]

Even though Derek B has claimed a character already, I can't help thinking that his ability is typically a scummy one.

Duh. The original character/role is from VG1, where it was scum. Same person, same basic ability. Only real difference I can work out is that it can be roleblocked now since it has a night phase component to it.

I even quoted the roles from the last game for people to read. Sometimes playing mafia feels like I'm bouncing people's heads off a wall when I supplying info, including which silencer is town and which is scum, complete with role PMs and logic.

I hate when people don't read things. For the love of boobs, go back and read things. Especially things I've posted as there is usually some useful information tucked in there when I can garner theme-relevant stuff from old games, write ups and stuff about my own role which I've been fairly open about for quite some time.

.......

Unrelated note for those interested, once my time in this game is over I'll be finishing the post-game stuff for Words and Swords. Not really had the time or inclination to do it lately but will hopefully get it wrapped up in double time after this game. :)

[djthefunkchris]

I'd like a specific character claim. I'm not sure whether I believe this or not, but I think knowing exactly who you are could be quite helpful.



You said that while you were being silent, you were willing to jump in on a close lynch. Shape was a couple votes shy last day phase and you didn't add a vote, so I'm presuming you didn't support lynching him then, so you must have found his claim believable. I'm curious if a claimed hider being silenced makes you question that claim more.

Gonvick, nothing personal (talking about the first post there), but I don't exactly trust you as I once did earlier in the game (not that you would of known that). Different role and all that stuff... so I'm not going there. Not sure if your mason or cult to be frank.

Shape mentioned not USING his ability, did he not? I don't think a hider not sending in a PM would automatically be hidden would he? If so, then I don't understand the role as I thought.

IF I thought I could 100% trust you right now, I would have voted for Shape this phase already, but I don't. So that's the predicament I am in at this point. Like I said nothing personal, there are several people I actually always feel hold more weight in their questions or reactions, and your one of them. If I trusted you, I would actually bring it up figuring you would have an ace up your slave to ensure my safety. I don't believe that's your intention though. Sorry if I'm wrong, and I might change my mind later.

@Derek. I figure you figured me out (so I believe other's did as well). I've looked over the write-up you pointed in my direction. To be honest, I don't know. You have my curiosity peaked though, what do you think is going on there? I'll try to understand vagueness if you think that is necessary.

[gonvick]

Gonvick, nothing personal (talking about the first post there), but I don't exactly trust you as I once did earlier in the game (not that you would of known that). Different role and all that stuff... so I'm not going there. Not sure if your mason or cult to be frank.

Shape mentioned not USING his ability, did he not? I don't think a hider not sending in a PM would automatically be hidden would he? If so, then I don't understand the role as I thought.

IF I thought I could 100% trust you right now, I would have voted for Shape this phase already, but I don't. So that's the predicament I am in at this point. Like I said nothing personal, there are several people I actually always feel hold more weight in their questions or reactions, and your one of them. If I trusted you, I would actually bring it up figuring you would have an ace up your slave to ensure my safety. I don't believe that's your intention though. Sorry if I'm wrong, and I might change my mind later.

@Derek. I figure you figured me out (so I believe other's did as well). I've looked over the write-up you pointed in my direction. To be honest, I don't know. You have my curiosity peaked though, what do you think is going on there? I'll try to understand vagueness if you think that is necessary.

Given that you've revealed an ability, for the most part, and which game your character is from, I'm not sure where revealing the name hurts the town. Where as if you are claiming who and what I think you are, that info is rather useful for the town to have going forward, if you're telling the truth. So I'd like confirmation, as it has an effect that goes beyond your specific situation. But if you get lynched, which I'm thinking would be a good way to go, then I guess it won't matter.

About your ability, can it be used before, or only after?

Regarding Shape, are you saying that you think he was following along well enough that he was able to show up when votes were piling on, but not enough to send in a night PM, when it would be obvious that someone would try to test his claim? Or was it just a coincidence that his brief bit of activity coincided with his near lynch?

[djthefunkchris]

Given that you've revealed an ability, for the most part, and which game your character is from, I'm not sure where revealing the name hurts the town. Where as if you are claiming who and what I think you are, that info is rather useful for the town to have going forward, if you're telling the truth. So I'd like confirmation, as it has an effect that goes beyond your specific situation. But if you get lynched, which I'm thinking would be a good way to go, then I guess it won't matter.

About your ability, can it be used before, or only after?

Regarding Shape, are you saying that you think he was following along well enough that he was able to show up when votes were piling on, but not enough to send in a night PM, when it would be obvious that someone would try to test his claim? Or was it just a coincidence that his brief bit of activity coincided with his near lynch?

I honestly don't know, to both parts. On the first part though, I feel like quoting Crychon "It's a trap!".

On the second part, I'm split. Part of me believes him, the other part wanted to lay down a vote on him. Your a big reason for that though. The other reason that I didn't is because I felt it would look bad on my part to vote on someone else when I have more votes on myself, or at the very least in poor taste. I do think I'm around a 60/40 split on that though, leaning toward Shape being scum.

What would you do in my predicament? Keep in mind that I am suspicious of you (since I do think I've bassically revealed myself anyways), but at the same time I am aware of all the things your talking about.

Far as my ability goes, some things are better off (especially if you are town) left not answered.

[moon_lit_tears]

Mr Chris I would like a name from you too. Sorry but I'm not getting the hints. Could be coz I never played the game.

[djthefunkchris]

Mr Chris I would like a name from you too. Sorry but I'm not getting the hints. Could be coz I never played the game.

Did you even look it up?

It won't help the town, outside of you would have a name. I've gave enough for the town already, and more wouldn't help us at all, in fact it would probably hurt the town in the long run, just the way it's worded. My name itself, there is a reason why I don't want to say it, not just the obvious reasons someone wouldn't want to reveal everything. I have no idea if I'm right, but the push for it so strongly makes me believe I could be. So yeah, not budging. IF I have to, I'll just waste my ability on myself.

[gonvick]

What would you do in my predicament? Keep in mind that I am suspicious of you (since I do think I've bassically revealed myself anyways), but at the same time I am aware of all the things your talking about..

First, I wouldn't have spent most of the game refusing to help the town, especially since it's desperately needed some help.

Second, upon having votes pile up on me due to my scummy play, I would be less concerned with keeping what should be minor info secretive than avoiding a mislynch.

If you are town, you started out your defense by telling the scum what you can do, more or less, which is the part that's most useful to them. So now refusing to give a character name, which is unlikely to help them in any way, looks more like you don't have an appropriately townie character claim to fit your claimed ability.

Looking at the graveyard, and my own character, with the one exception, there is a common element to the characters. If you're claiming who you appear to be, you don't fit that commonality. That's the kind of thing that a townie without a power role might have revealed in an earlier phase when it was a topic of conversation. Or when someone else who is looking scummy claims to not share that commonality.

Change Vote: djthefunkchris

It's either this or no lynch at all. Without something more substantive to make me confident that this would be a mislynch, I think it's better than doing nothing. And even if you're telling the truth, it might not be a mistake.

[moon_lit_tears]

Vote: DJ

What help have you been?

You are doing nothing but stall in my opinion.

You went MIA for most of the game. That's not very townie.

I'm sorry, but I don't trust you at all.

[djthefunkchris]

First, I wouldn't have spent most of the game refusing to help the town, especially since it's desperately needed some help.

Second, upon having votes pile up on me due to my scummy play, I would be less concerned with keeping what should be minor info secretive than avoiding a mislynch.

If you are town, you started out your defense by telling the scum what you can do, more or less, which is the part that's most useful to them. So now refusing to give a character name, which is unlikely to help them in any way, looks more like you don't have an appropriately townie character claim to fit your claimed ability.

Looking at the graveyard, and my own character, with the one exception, there is a common element to the characters. If you're claiming who you appear to be, you don't fit that commonality. That's the kind of thing that a townie without a power role might have revealed in an earlier phase when it was a topic of conversation. Or when someone else who is looking scummy claims to not share that commonality.

Change Vote: djthefunkchris

It's either this or no lynch at all. Without something more substantive to make me confident that this would be a mislynch, I think it's better than doing nothing. And even if you're telling the truth, it might not be a mistake.

It's ok, I don't mind. Maybe my being lynched will actually make the town look into the right things instead of the wrong next time, maybe it will just screw us all together.

I had nothing to offer the town at all, to be honest. Me talking now seems to have awakened them, and perhaps that might have helped in that way, but as far as lynching me now that there is discussion, I can see how that's something scum wouldn't want, can you not?

As for my fear in revealing to you, this is the reason. I KNEW you were going to vote on me no matter what, since I would have revealed what I'm about to say before the phase ended anyways. The "trap" is... Do I fit the criteria for you to bring into your cult or not. NOT do I fit the rest of the graveyard, because I honestly fit it to a "T"... capital "T". You won't get the priviledge to know, because I think your part of the cult (at least with your knew role).

[djthefunkchris]

Vote: DJ

What help have you been?

You are doing nothing but stall in my opinion.

You went MIA for most of the game. That's not very townie.

I'm sorry, but I don't trust you at all.

Over 80% of that time was NOT my fault. I do however claim the other 20%.

[djthefunkchris]

As for stalling, there are only TWO of you that are harping on me. That's not me stalling, that's a witch hunt.

[moon_lit_tears]

I had nothing to offer the town at all,


If you are town you have plenty to offer.

Is it not the job of the town to use the day to discuss and weed out scum?

You have nothing to offer because you chose that. If you are town you are being very selfish and lynching you...will be your own fault.

[Prophet]

It is now Evilday 7. With 24 remaining it is 13 to majority. You have until 11:00 PM EST Friday February 11th to reach majority

The Shape - 2 (praguepride, The Rock 13)

djthefunkchris - 8 (moon_lit_tears, Bak42, JackalBane, Jaded, Jman2k3, trypio, mjdgoldeneye, gonvick)

Please note any mistakes made, and totally blame them on Astil, since he's out partying. :p

[djthefunkchris]

If you are town you have plenty to offer.

Is it not the job of the town to use the day to discuss and weed out scum?

You have nothing to offer because you chose that. If you are town you are being very selfish and lynching you...will be your own fault.

I got a few hints off townies, nothing to help us with scum. You may think I could have helped, but I'm not the one going out at night finding out information. It's not a bad role, but it's not a fun role. I could have come in and said "Hello, I'm here, I got nothing though, sorry." Then I probably would have died by night three, as is the norm for me when town.

Getting lynched as a townie will be a first for me, I believe. It's not at all as uncomfortable as getting lynched as scum though. I don't feel very bad about it, because I feel that I've cooperated quite nicely. I do think I'm being wronged, but I'm not sure I feel bad about it, considering who it is. For example, IF Gonvick is scum, and get's me lynched as a townie, It just kind of makes him awesome... I am almost rooting for him (sorry... I can't help it). IF he is town though, he's making a pretty big goof this time, lol.

[Astil]

Please note any mistakes made, and totally blame them on Astil, since he's out partying. :p

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[gonvick]

As for my fear in revealing to you, this is the reason. I KNEW you were going to vote on me no matter what, since I would have revealed what I'm about to say before the phase ended anyways. The "trap" is... Do I fit the criteria for you to bring into your cult or not. NOT do I fit the rest of the graveyard, because I honestly fit it to a "T"... capital "T". You won't get the priviledge to know, because I think your part of the cult (at least with your knew role).

If there is a cult, they would appear to have made 5 straight successful recruitments. I'd say it's unlikely that they are restricted to such a degree that they would care about specific characters beforehand. Unless you think they've just been really lucky in finding the right characters so far.

[d_w_w]

vote: djthefunkchris

Even though discussion is up, it's up from like 4 to 6 people. Blah.

[djthefunkchris]

If there is a cult, they would appear to have made 5 straight successful recruitments. I'd say it's unlikely that they are restricted to such a degree that they would care about specific characters beforehand. Unless you think they've just been really lucky in finding the right characters so far.

I think they want to know why they couldn't recruit me.

[moon_lit_tears]

So lynching someone who has doe nothing, and refuses to do anything is wrong?

You say 2 are hanging in you, but you're at 8 votes. That's a bit more than 2. :p

[djthefunkchris]

So lynching someone who has doe nothing, and refuses to do anything is wrong?

You say 2 are hanging in you, but you're at 8 votes. That's a bit more than 2. :p

Your not discussing anything but me, other's have. Interesting at this point who will jump on the bandwagon.

I NEVER said I would refuse to help. So I have to ask you, how have I refused, because I won't say my name?

[Paws7297]

So lynching someone who has doe nothing, and refuses to do anything is wrong?

You say 2 are hanging in you, but you're at 8 votes. That's a bit more than 2. :p
ANyone wanna let Paws know what's going on here? As she's missed like 100 pages.....

[gonvick]

I think they want to know why they couldn't recruit me.

When would they have failed? The parts of the write ups that look cultish, which is the only evidence of a possible cult there is, have all been successful. If a cult recruiter targeted you, I'm fairly sure you'd be on the team.

Not sure how that idea is the basis for not being forthcoming.

[djthefunkchris]

Tell you what, you disclose all information, and I'll do likewise, That goes for MLT and Gonvick ONLY... don't want a bunch of townies outing themselves.

[Astil]

Day Phase is over.

It is now Night Phase 7. You have until 11:00 PM EST Saturday February 12th (AKA Astil's b-day) to get all PMs to Astil and Prophet.

[djthefunkchris]

When would they have failed? The parts of the write ups that look cultish, which is the only evidence of a possible cult there is, have all been successful. If a cult recruiter targeted you, I'm fairly sure you'd be on the team.

Not sure how that idea is the basis for not being forthcoming.

Gonvick, I don't know. If your cult I /bow to you right now. I think I've been targeted, for what I don't know, but if not a cult, perhaps a kill or a silence... really don't know for sure. I just think I was targeted and got lucky by someone else's involvement. Cult or whatever.

The reason for the bow, is you've almost completely changed my mind. I could just go to bed right now (sleepy), but I don't want to yet. If your town, I actually DO want to confide... hoping that you have an ace up your sleeve.

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Evilday 7

The crowd had moved in on the one who remained silent. Perhaps he was meek, or perhaps he was busy, or perhaps it was something more sinister. They talked and discussed until he returned, then they talked and discussed some more. Eventually it became dark, too dark for all to ignore. This discussion would need to wait another day.

[djthefunkchris]

Just great...

[Paws7297]

Oh my.. I am missing way to much here.

So, uhm any ideas, like a small list of people you'd like looked at, for someone I Can target tonight?

[gonvick]

Tell you what, you disclose all information, and I'll do likewise, That goes for MLT and Gonvick ONLY... don't want a bunch of townies outing themselves.

That's quite the scummy bargain you're suggesting. Just so we're clear, you think revealing your character name will be so detrimental to the town that you'll risk being mislynched, but completely outing two other roles is a fair trade? You really think your play hasn't been scummy enough that town players would reasonably find you questionable?

Gonvick, I don't know. If your cult I /bow to you right now. I think I've been targeted, for what I don't know, but if not a cult, perhaps a kill or a silence... really don't know for sure. I just think I was targeted and got lucky by someone else's involvement. Cult or whatever.

The reason for the bow, is you've almost completely changed my mind. I could just go to bed right now (sleepy), but I don't want to yet. If your town, I actually DO want to confide... hoping that you have an ace up your sleeve.

Anything specific you can point to, in regards to having been targeted? Or just an assumption because you are usually targeted at some point?

[djthefunkchris]

That's quite the scummy bargain you're suggesting. Just so we're clear, you think revealing your character name will be so detrimental to the town that you'll risk being mislynched, but completely outing two other roles is a fair trade? You really think your play hasn't been scummy enough that town players would reasonably find you questionable?



Anything specific you can point to, in regards to having been targeted? Or just an assumption because you are usually targeted at some point?

I'm always targeted, especially by now. I think I've been targeted and protected to be honest.

Don't reveal anything Gonvick, you won me over. IF I die tonight, you'll have my role. IF I don't die, I'll give it to you next day phase... providing nothing happens to change my opinion of your at this time.

How much you want to bet I die tonight, all because I gave up my silence (AND that will be the only reason).

[djthefunkchris]

Oh my.. I am missing way to much here.

So, uhm any ideas, like a small list of people you'd like looked at, for someone I Can target tonight?

Whatever your ability is, you can use it on me, unless it's a kill or even worse... a silencer.

[gonvick]

Oh my.. I am missing way to much here.

So, uhm any ideas, like a small list of people you'd like looked at, for someone I Can target tonight?

Reading the last day phase should get you up to speed on the current topics.

Shape and DJ have looked scummy, but we haven't had enough active players to lynch either of them. There's some circumstantial evidence that Derek may be in a cult, if there is a cult. I'm sure there are others worth looking at, but those three have dominated the discussion recently, and will probably continue to do so if we don't make some kind of progress.

[mjdgoldeneye]

No phase disclaimer. Maybe it's a bluff! Keep voting! :p

[Jaded]

ANyone wanna let Paws know what's going on here? As she's missed like 100 pages.....

Basically, we're screwed. People need to start voting!!

[Jaded]

Basically, we're screwed. People need to start voting!!

I mean start voting next day phase, obviously.

[Derek B]

@ The Shape: You need to come up with a reason for why you were targettable last night after only just showing up to post that you were a hider not long before that.

@ DJ: From your post earlier you clearly have no idea how a hider works. The terminology thread covers it, so I'm gonna point you in that direction cos it's a great read for everyone. :)

@ everyone: Even if I'd moved my (and DJ's) vote back to DJ by waking up just before 4am to do so, there wasn't going to be a lynch there. A lot of people aren't voting at all, some of them are posting.

@ Cult believers: Here's the text of what I'm assuming you are assuming to be cult recruitments. Tied together with the death of Vaati (the stoner silencer).

NIGHT 1

With a grunt he directed the man towards him. The man had plans, but he could take some time to go with the other. They walked together towards the ship.

***

NIGHT 2

While the man walked, another being came to him. Intregued he followed, listening to what he had to say.

***

NIGHT 3 (skipped)

***

NIGHT 4

He moved knowing not what to do. Another walked to him, seeing his usefulness. They walked away together.

***

NIGHT 5

He moved in and spoke to his target. Yes, this would work well indeed.

***

NIGHT 6

He took his target aside. Once again someone would be shown the way.

***

He finished his magic, but had a blank look in his eyes. He wasn't himself. That didn't stop the blade from sliding through Dragonmack.

***

In each case the person being targetted looks to be intercepted before they have done their action, if they are doing an action at all. They follow, but there is no sign of it being through choice, and it doesn't look like they get to complete their action if they are following. Dragonmack dies while he isn't himself, implying that he was redirected and not doing what he wanted. He's also Axis Of Eviltown aligned, not any kind of scum.

Judging by write ups there are probably 5 or 6 scum out there that we can be sure of, with the potential for a few more even before we talk about cults. If there is a cult out there, they've been successful 5 times taking their numbers up to 6 vs a similar number of grouped scum and what is likely an SK too. By pure number crunching the odds of a cult leader only hitting recruitables with that many (presumably) non-recruitables around is venturing into very unlikely territory.

That's the clearest explanation I can put together of why I don't think there's a cult out there and that the person who is being attributed to a cult recruiter is actually a redirector. Quite possibly a scum redirector, though I'm not sure how that works with Dragonmack's death, but not a cult.

[Astil]

The Shape and The Two can speak in the thread.

[moon_lit_tears]

Your not discussing anything but me, other's have. Interesting at this point who will jump on the bandwagon.

I NEVER said I would refuse to help. So I have to ask you, how have I refused, because I won't say my name?

When have you helped? Your FIRST post came day 6. You said yourself you had no intention of posting. That's refusing to help, and really disappoints me.

Just great...

I blame you..

Whatever your ability is, you can use it on me, unless it's a kill or even worse... a silencer.

why? What have you done to help the town?

[Destiny]

At least djthefunkchris is actively caught up with the game thread and has begun posting now.

[Jaded]

Shape, I'd STRONGLY suggest

a) speaking during night phase

and

b) sending in your activity tonight.

[Destiny]

I agree with Jaded that we need to hear from The Shape during this night phase.

[djthefunkchris]

When have you helped? Your FIRST post came day 6. You said yourself you had no intention of posting. That's refusing to help, and really disappoints me.



I blame you..



why? What have you done to help the town?

Look, if you don't believe me you don't believe me. I've already told you that I had no information to help us out-I don't go out at night. I might have been able to speculate, but every point was already discussed anyways (that I wanted to bring up). I'm still alive, and to be honest I didn't expect to be (nor do I expect to live through the night now). IF I live, it's because scum believes the town will lynch me the next day (and that would be a good idea for them to follow it would seem). SO really, just up to you guys weather or not you believe me or not. I told you the actual reasoning, and how it started. You don't want to believe that, so that's your opinion and your certainly entitled to it. I'm not trying to get you to do anything different then what you want to do at this point. IF you want me dead, then fine, get me killed or lynched. Afterward though, you might want to look into other area's of interest, since you will find out that I was telling the truth (bassically, you can keep a closed mind right now, but after I'm dead, please open it up).

IF you think I could have been so helpfull anywhere in the thread, please show me one place where I would have mattered... Just one place in the whole game thread that my speaking up would have mattered. I did what I thought was right when the attention come on me. Tried to stop a mistake from happening. Would I have if something else hadn't come up? I don't know for sure, but timing would have been very critical (meaning, I would have tried to speak up with enough time to go after someone that might be scum besides me). There was over 24 hours left (or close) when I spoke up.

Now, take all that however you want. I just wanted to get it out in case I don't live tonight.

[djthefunkchris]

One more thing...

No information to help us out does not = no intention to help us out.;)

[gonvick]

@ Cult believers: Here's the text of what I'm assuming you are assuming to be cult recruitments. Tied together with the death of Vaati (the stoner silencer).



In each case the person being targetted looks to be intercepted before they have done their action, if they are doing an action at all. They follow, but there is no sign of it being through choice, and it doesn't look like they get to complete their action if they are following. Dragonmack dies while he isn't himself, implying that he was redirected and not doing what he wanted. He's also Axis Of Eviltown aligned, not any kind of scum.

I actually have a different idea about Dragonmack's death scene that makes me think it's not tied to the talking scenes at all.

I disagree about there being no sign of choice. The N2 section says whoever was targeted was intrigued and followed. It may not be an explicit statement of agreement, but I think it implies the following and listening are voluntary. At least it appears to be more evidence than there is for the targets to be compelled to follow against their will.

[Destiny]

It's nice to have gonvick taking part in this game now. He could be very helpful.

[djthefunkchris]

Reading the last day phase should get you up to speed on the current topics.

Shape and DJ have looked scummy, but we haven't had enough active players to lynch either of them. There's some circumstantial evidence that Derek may be in a cult, if there is a cult. I'm sure there are others worth looking at, but those three have dominated the discussion recently, and will probably continue to do so if we don't make some kind of progress.

Re-reading this whole thing again.. This post out of all of them makes me want to trust you.

[The Shape]

Was just waiting for confirmation I could talk.

Did send in my ability, hid behind TBP. Didn't get any sort of PM. Though my PM doesn't say anything about being untargetable, just can't be killed it if works.

[The Shape]

Would think that silencing me had to be a scum move, or something else entirely.

[djthefunkchris]

Wow... I think I should have voted for you now.

[Destiny]

I'll admit that I doubt a fellow member of the town would think to silence somebody under intense scrutiny.

[Jaded]

Was just waiting for confirmation I could talk.

Did send in my ability, hid behind TBP. Didn't get any sort of PM. Though my PM doesn't say anything about being untargetable, just can't be killed it if works.

Am I getting confused here or is this COMPLETELY unlike any other hider role ever?

[Jaded]

I'm Conker, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Crazy Squirrel

Hider, though I haven't sent anything in any night so far, so not sure how that'll have worked.

Nothing at all about 'hider variant' or 'kind of hider' or anything. You're scum, blatantly.

[The Shape]

Am I getting confused here or is this COMPLETELY unlike any other hider role ever?

Definitely not the first of it's kind. Though fair enough if what it says in the mafia guide thread is what it therefore always must have been.

Didn't seem beneficial to disclose fully at the time, and shouln't have been but for someone silencing me with clearly disputable motives.

Would have been easier had I not sent anything in, admittedly, though when the main reason people are suspecting me is that I had something done to me that almost certainly had to be done by scum, you have to think about what's going on. Last I saw the town silencer was already dead and nobody has made claim to this one.

[The Shape]

To clarify, my role says very briefly that I get drunk at night and can't find my way home. If I hide behind town, I can't be killed, scum, I die. Doesn't say anything about being untargetable beyond that. Anyone who says this is unheard of either has a very selective memory or is just outright lying.

The basis for the votes yesterday was that being silenced proved I had not hidden. I somehow survive, and those same people seem to expect me to say that I in fact had once again not attempted to hide. When my explanation does not match up with their already contradictory logic, the campaign reverts to its original basis, all the while overlooking that the root of yesterday's votes is in something that it is very likely scum did to me.

[Jaded]

People are suspecting you because you were silent for a long time, you made up a 'hider' claim which doesn't seem to fit your character claim, and you were successfully targeted - presumably by a townie silencer trying to test you out - despite the hider claim.

[Jaded]

To clarify, my role says very briefly that I get drunk at night and can't find my way home. If I hide behind town, I can't be killed, scum, I die. Doesn't say anything about being untargetable beyond that. Anyone who says this is unheard of either has a very selective memory or is just outright lying.


Perhaps it has been done before and I have a poor memory - I still think it's NOT what you would typically call a hider and am amazed you didn't mention it when you originally claimed hider.

[The Shape]

People are suspecting you because you were silent for a long time, you made up a 'hider' claim which doesn't seem to fit your character claim, and you were successfully targeted - presumably by a townie silencer trying to test you out - despite the hider claim.

A town silencer is dead already. It's a generally scum ability at the best of times, never mind having two on the town side.

Perhaps it has been done before and I have a poor memory - I still think it's NOT what you would typically call a hider and am amazed you didn't mention it when you originally claimed hider.

I hide. That is the easiest way to summarise my ability, which I did so quickly as I was one or two away from a lynch. Nobody asked me anything after that, so it felt like enough. I figure it could have been of benefit, but obviously didn't work out that way.

[gonvick]

Definitely not the first of it's kind. Though fair enough if what it says in the mafia guide thread is what it therefore always must have been.

Didn't seem beneficial to disclose fully at the time, and shouln't have been but for someone silencing me with clearly disputable motives.

Would have been easier had I not sent anything in, admittedly, though when the main reason people are suspecting me is that I had something done to me that almost certainly had to be done by scum, you have to think about what's going on. Last I saw the town silencer was already dead and nobody has made claim to this one.

So you didn't foresee the possibility of a townie targeting you to test a nearly lynched hider claim? Didn't think that when that townie was able to successfully target you that the obvious questions about why that would happen would come your way? Didn't think it would look significantly less scummy, and thus maybe prevent a mislynch, to just say at the start that any non-killing abilities would be successful? You really thought that waiting until after it became an issue to explain it would be of the most use to the town?

You need to hide behind townies, but chose to hide behind someone who isn't Axis of Eviltown aligned? Any reason to think that wasn't needlessly risky? Your role pm doesn't say that you have to hide behind the specific town alignment, just town in general? Does it say that you're safe behind indies?

Also I find it curious that only killers would be fooled by a drunk squirrel hiding behind someone else. But I suppose I've seen roles work in odd ways before.

As for being silenced by scum, I don't disagree that the silencer is probably scum. But why would a scum silencer target a claimed hider who hasn't been contributing to the game? You didn't give them any reason to expect they would be able to target you, so it would most likely be a failure, and even success isn't as helpful as silencing someone more active.

The way I see it, it's just as likely a scum silencer would target a teammate so that very defense could be used. It's not like being silenced is a problem for scum. There's some risk of a lynch there, but with general inactivity and a vocal opposition to lynching a silenced player, even with an investigation result against them, the risk is somewhat minimized, depending to some degree on the overlap.

And whoever silenced you also silenced Zeel, who was scum. So it doesn't exactly lead to confidence that you can't be scum as well.

[gonvick]

Night 4

He moved knowing not what to do. Another walked to him, seeing his usefulness. They walked away together.

***

He moved to take this guy down, but something else got in his way. A punch took care of him, but now a small one. A stomp on that, but now a huge one. He hoisted the huge one up, and slammed it down.

And now a bee! Oh forget this...

***

His plan was now set. He knew this was right, his resolve was firm. Before he could move on it, something interrupted him.

"How would you like to feel what it's like to be a schiskabob rotating in one of our fine penal instatutions."

As a response the interrupter attacked. ShadowedFlames feel quick and hard to the ground.

***

He thought he was safe here, but the man found him. It was effortless, and didn't even give him entertainment.

***

Frustrated he bumped into a man. The man tried to argue his way out, but could not. The frustration of this man meant he was seeing red.

Pew pew

The shots rang out, breaking the man from his blood lust. This was garbage!

***

When the town awoke, they found that they had lost a valuable tool.

D_w_w is knocked out. He cannot post in the thread.
Tha Black Phenom is a statue. He cannot post in the thread.
ShadowedFlames is dead. He was Detective Magnotta, Axis of Eviltown Mod's Favorite Character

I'm curious what people's opinions are on what is going on in the bolded section. Discuss.

[Paws7297]

Astil update the front page please??

[Derek B]

I think gonvick said it best when he pointed out that Shape claiming to hide behind someone of a non-town alignment, while then ending up silenced in direct contradiction to all established previous hider roles is just not gonna fly as a way of living.

The claim wasn't awesome to start with, the ability claim now looks worse and the play absolutely baffling to me if it's all true.

I'm curious what people's opinions are on what is going on in the bolded section. Discuss.

I have that section down as TBP being silenced. I doubt that helps at all.

[moon_lit_tears]

DJ...you could have been helpful by BEING here.

Just sharing ideas and thoughts would have been a help. You were not. Makes me think you are not town. Makes me think you can't be trusted. Makes me think you should be lynched.

But with that said it's up to everyone. I will back off, but I would love to see you lynched.

[Astil]

Barring Prophetic intervention Write Up will be written tomorrow.
Have a nice night everyone.

[djthefunkchris]

DJ...you could have been helpful by BEING here.

Just sharing ideas and thoughts would have been a help. You were not. Makes me think you are not town. Makes me think you can't be trusted. Makes me think you should be lynched.

But with that said it's up to everyone. I will back off, but I would love to see you lynched.

/nod. I understand all your points, I really do... Don't blame you, still love you.

Let me throw something your way though, because I feel like your really frustrated with me for some reason. Ever go to catch up on a thread, start multiquoting, and have in your head what your going to bring up, only to find out that someone else brought up that EXACT thing you wanted to mention? Then a couple more posts, more then a few other's are following up on that same thought. I don't know if my thoughts saying the same things would have mattered, as even on some of those I've changed my mind. Two people I thought I had pegged have changed my mind since I started posting. Now I think the exact opposite.

Anyways, probably doesn't help you much, so all I can really say is I'm sorry MLT. I didn't mean to upset you at all.

[The Rock 13]

@Gonvick

Some sort of failed roleblock?

[The Rock 13]

Failed? It's early...

Could be a roleblock, or a silence, or something else...

[djthefunkchris]

Failed? It's early...

Could be a roleblock, or a silence, or something else...

I have that section down as TBP being silenced. I doubt that helps at all.

;).

[moon_lit_tears]

DJ, I'm not frustrated with you. It's the entire game. I know that's not fair to you because I kinda singled you out.

I still love you bunches!

Yes I've done the multiple quote delete thing many times. :p

here's to hoping I'm still alive when day comes.

Also I must say I think I'm going to be really pissed at our protector(s) when this game is over. :mad:

[Destiny]

I hope that I make it through the night as well, as I could be really useful tomorrow.

[Astil]

Night Phase is over!

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia

Night 7

He moved in on where he thought his target would be. Odd. A bunch of creatures. He quickly went through them, but more kept coming in. Frustrated he left.

***

He was bored again, and so he found this man. He looked like he could be a challenge, but in the end he was not.

***

Somehow he ended up here. It was easy enough to take this man down.

***

He wanted so desperately to finish an attack today! Getting to his target was not easy, but once he found Destiny he knew what to do. He grabbed the beast by the tail and flung him. He then hoisted him up and threw him down.

***

trypio is knocked out. He cannot speak in the thread.
Destiny is dead. He was Bowser Jr., Axis of Eviltown Aligned Heir

[Jaded]

Vote: The Shape

Happy to go somewhere else if anyone has other leads and come back to him either later in the day or on a future day phase, but we need to lynch this guy at some point as it's almost certainly a fake claim.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 8. With 2 remaining it is 12 for majority. You have until 10:00 PM EST Tuesday February 15th to reach majority.

The Shape - 1 (Jaded)

[Gabbo]

Encouraging to see discussion rising.

One more thing...

No information to help us out does not = no intention to help us out.;)

No talking does = no intention to help us out though. ;)


Was just waiting for confirmation I could talk.

Did send in my ability, hid behind TBP. Didn't get any sort of PM. Though my PM doesn't say anything about being untargetable, just can't be killed it if works.


Why TBP? Gonvick has asked a lot of good questions that just oppose what you've already said but you do need to answer why TBP.

I have that section down as TBP being silenced. I doubt that helps at all.

Same.

I'd also like to hear if any else has found Derek untargetable or uninterested at any point in this game.

Looking at the write-ups and kills on show, it's a little frustrating if the cult have a kill.

Struggling to see how Shape can be allowed to live right now. Shape can claim the knock-out was scum silencing and it's strange for town to have two but it's worth looking at the knock out targets.

n1: derek b
n2: zeel
n3: n/a
n4: d_w_w
n5: paws
n6: shape
n7: trypio

They look town targets to me. Obviously possible they may be playing as town but the Zeel one is interesting in that case.

[Astil]

All PMs are out!

[The Shape]

TBP - I hadn't been reading along so I chose someone who didn't seem to be in the town spotlight and would have been a relatively safe target.

[Gabbo]

Happy to lynch Shape today but does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't question MNN and C-bot as well?

C-bot hasn't posted for almost ten days bar one post during the SuperBowl. Before that we had several links to videos. He's really not helping the cause.

So, either of you active or found any information so far? Care to offer up anything about your series or character?

[The Shape]

Looking at gonvick's post I just remembered the Persia thing. lol, that played absolutely no part in my decision.

[JackalBane]

Happy to lynch Shape today but does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't question MNN and C-bot as well?

C-bot hasn't posted for almost ten days bar one post during the SuperBowl. Before that we had several links to videos. He's really not helping the cause.

So, either of you active or found any information so far? Care to offer up anything about your series or character?
I agree. If we're going to figure out who's not part of eviltown, we gotta hear from everybody. People who have been silent without reason and have not been replaced are a concern, but if someone has a real reason to lynch Shape, I'm all for it.

Also, I definitely think the knock out guy is scum. I mean, wasn't there a write-up some days ago where the knock out was described as Captain Falcon's punch?

[Jaded]

I agree. If we're going to figure out who's not part of eviltown, we gotta hear from everybody. People who have been silent without reason and have not been replaced are a concern, but if someone has a real reason to lynch Shape, I'm all for it.



He claimed hider, was successfully targetted, then suddenly changed to 'Oh, I only hide from kills' - scummy at best.



Also, I definitely think the knock out guy is scum. I mean, wasn't there a write-up some days ago where the knock out was described as Captain Falcon's punch?

Don't recall that although the write-ups are so vague I'm struggling with them. Assuming Shape IS scum, silencing him to check whether he was targettable seems a townie thing to do so lynching him will help clear that up.

[JackalBane]

The battle waged for a while, as the defender wound up for a knee to the chin. The instigator moved, charged up a bit and punched the man so hard he was knocked out.

[...]

Zeel1 is knocked out. He cannot speak in the thread.
This. First time I read that, made me think of Captain Falcon.

[gonvick]

Happy to lynch Shape today but does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't question MNN and C-bot as well?

C-bot hasn't posted for almost ten days bar one post during the SuperBowl. Before that we had several links to videos. He's really not helping the cause.

So, either of you active or found any information so far? Care to offer up anything about your series or character?

I'd like to hear from both of them.

I'd also add Arrows to the list. He seemed rather active when arguing against the Zeel lynch, though not willing to pursue what he thought was scummy behavior from others, and he hasn't really done anything lately.

[JackalBane]

Has anybody received any gifts at night? Would confirm something for me if someone has.

[JackalBane]

Has anybody received any gifts at night? Would confirm something for me if someone has.
Also, I think if nothing else we should all agree to lynch Shape today. Unless someone has something redeeming to prove his innocence, he's the logical way to go.

[gonvick]

Looking at the kills, and failed attempts, for this game, this is what I have.

N1: 3
N2: 2
N3: Skipped
N4: 2
N5: 1
N6: 2 (3?)
N7: 1

If anyone has reason to believe that they might know what happened on nights 5 and 7, now would be a good time to speak up.

The guy who hoists people up and throws them down is the most consistently represented as he's clearly in all but one write up, N6. But he could be, and probably is, the guy chased off by the samurai.

Then we have the speedy killer, who is clearly in two write ups, N1 and N2, and possibly in two more, N4 and N6.

There's one kill clearly made by a blade, N6, and another that could be, N4.

And the Brave Vesperia killer from N1, who may or may not also be the bladed killer. If it's not the bladed killer, maybe just a one-shot.

So if the Hoist/Throw guy is the SK, since he's consistently out, then what do we make of the others? There's a few possibilities and I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear what others think is going on.

Discuss.

This. First time I read that, made me think of Captain Falcon.

Can't say if he fits or not. I'm more interested why N6, when he targets Shape, seems to be the only night he isn't in the write up.

[djthefunkchris]

I've never heard of a hider that only hides from kills... I think I would be more able to buy it if he said it only works against scum or something like that, but the consensus is that the silencer is scum.

Vote:The Shape

I was on your side with the inactiveness thing, and thought you might have somehow not put in a PM that night phase, but you confirmed you did.

The flip side is that you HAVE to know that confirmation would have hurt you, and this is the only reason I think I have left to believe your telling the truth. Trouble is, everything else points to you lieing about your ability.

[Jaded]

Has anybody received any gifts at night? Would confirm something for me if someone has.

Nope.

Definitely think we should go after Shape, obviously.

[moon_lit_tears]

Vote: Shape

[djthefunkchris]

Looking at the kills, and failed attempts, for this game, this is what I have.

N1: 3
N2: 2
N3: Skipped
N4: 2
N5: 1
N6: 2 (3?)
N7: 1

If anyone has reason to believe that they might know what happened on nights 5 and 7, now would be a good time to speak up.

The guy who hoists people up and throws them down is the most consistently represented as he's clearly in all but one write up, N6. But he could be, and probably is, the guy chased off by the samurai.

Then we have the speedy killer, who is clearly in two write ups, N1 and N2, and possibly in two more, N4 and N6.

There's one kill clearly made by a blade, N6, and another that could be, N4.

And the Brave Vesperia killer from N1, who may or may not also be the bladed killer. If it's not the bladed killer, maybe just a one-shot.

So if the Hoist/Throw guy is the SK, since he's consistently out, then what do we make of the others? There's a few possibilities and I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear what others think is going on.

Discuss.



Can't say if he fits or not. I'm more interested why N6, when he targets Shape, seems to be the only night he isn't in the write up.

That is particularly interesting.

[djthefunkchris]

I haven't recieved anything at night either.

[Gabbo]

As I said I'm happy to vote on Shape but I think we need to hear from MNN and C-bot today so can we not:
a) rush a lynch through on Shape
b) give C-bot and Nick a free pass by putting all our votes on Shape and then throwing some token pressure on their way before going back to Shape regardless of what they say.

We have three genuine targets today, so let's treat it that way.

[Comradebot]

FYI, I've asked to be replaced.

[Gabbo]

When did you ask that?

Been sending things in at night?

[The Shape]

I've never heard of a hider that only hides from kills... I think I would be more able to buy it if he said it only works against scum or something like that, but the consensus is that the silencer is scum.

That is clearly not the consensus, though I do enjoy the fact that the idea that scum may have silenced me is now being used as a point against me.

[gonvick]

FYI, I've asked to be replaced.

Replacements seem to be in short supply, so could you at least give us some info about who you are?

Maybe put a vote on Shape in the meantime so we might actually have enough votes to get a lynch today.

[gonvick]

That is clearly not the consensus, though I do enjoy the fact that the idea that scum may have silenced me is now being used as a point against me.

The same silencer already silenced scum. At the very least, it's not evidence that you're town.

[djthefunkchris]

That is clearly not the consensus, though I do enjoy the fact that the idea that scum may have silenced me is now being used as a point against me.

Their have been some discussions that the silencer is probably scum. I'm sure there are other's that believe him to be town as well. Only the silencer knows for sure. Weird targets though...

You have to understand that this game reminds me of the first game, and the silencing that Derek did at the start of the game (to himself as scum), to ensure the rest of the town believed he was town... it just reminds me how possible (and brilliant) that tactic is. Do I think you would try something like that? Absolutely. Do I believe there is a possibility Derek did the same thing again this game... Yes. However, I also believe that an older player that was around for the first game, might want to set Derek up like that to fool someone like myself (get my suspiciouns going right off the bat). Derek's play is what saves me from thinking that way, but your pointing fingers without really knowing why... or you're at least not giving enough of your thoughts for me to actually follow.

I don't get why it would be so important for us to believe that scum silenced you when people have already said during the day phase, that scum might have done that on purpose to keep you from being lynched. How does this help your case? It's like you keep saying exactly what people already suggested.. Here's what I mean:

People speculated that you were silenced by someone in your scum group to play on the town's normal play of not lynching a silenced person (we like to here people answer questions first).- You come in and say "I think the silencer was scum!"

I thought there was a chance you didn't send in a PM. You say "For the record, I was able to send in a PM and still was silenced".

Another pointed out, what if it was a townie that silenced you to test your ability?

You never answered that.

So exactly what is your line of thinking. I'm trying to figure it out, but you keep digging a hole (although I believe that to be unintentional). I'm missing something or some point your not getting accross.

[The Shape]

Another pointed out, what if it was a townie that silenced you to test your ability?

You never answered that.

So exactly what is your line of thinking. I'm trying to figure it out, but you keep digging a hole (although I believe that to be unintentional). I'm missing something or some point your not getting accross.

What is there to answer? Maybe they did. I doubt it, as a town silencer already dead. If they did, they silenced me, and it doesn't prove anything.

[djthefunkchris]

What is there to answer? Maybe they did. I doubt it, as a town silencer already dead. If they did, they silenced me, and it doesn't prove anything.

It proves that your not really a hider, at least in the normal sense. A hider can't be targeted.

[djthefunkchris]

Let me put something else up there for you as well.

Perhaps the silencer didn't have a good choice, so decided to go after someone he didn't think it would effect.

There is only ONE thing I can think of that would actually make sense, but you haven't even hinted toward it. One of the reasons I wanted to wait till I heard what you had to say first.

[The Shape]

Let me put something else up there for you as well.

Perhaps the silencer didn't have a good choice, so decided to go after someone he didn't think it would effect.

There is only ONE thing I can think of that would actually make sense, but you haven't even hinted toward it. One of the reasons I wanted to wait till I heard what you had to say first.

If someone came out and admitted they'd done this I'd buy it. But they won't, because the town silencer is already dead, and there is not going to be two of them. Or at least, it'd be very out of the ordinary - something which on the flip side my role is being dismissed for. Can't have it both ways.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I failed again... :|

[Gabbo]

Same response?

[mjdgoldeneye]

Same response?

No, actually, this time I was just told I was unable to reach my target.

[djthefunkchris]

If someone came out and admitted they'd done this I'd buy it. But they won't, because the town silencer is already dead, and there is not going to be two of them. Or at least, it'd be very out of the ordinary - something which on the flip side my role is being dismissed for. Can't have it both ways.

I'm actually not doubting the silencer is scum. However, you have't hinted as to why he would actually be allowed to get to you, outside of "My role only says I hide from being killed". I don't see it only working on someone that can kill. If that is your ONLY explanation, then I can't really change my mind here.

[Jaded]

If someone came out and admitted they'd done this I'd buy it. But they won't, because the town silencer is already dead, and there is not going to be two of them. Or at least, it'd be very out of the ordinary - something which on the flip side my role is being dismissed for. Can't have it both ways.

Your role ISN'T being dismissed for being very out of the ordinary.

Your role is being dismissed because you originally claimed hider, THEN after it was proved you weren't a hider you claimed 'very out of the ordinary hider variant'.

[gonvick]

Your role ISN'T being dismissed for being very out of the ordinary.

Your role is being dismissed because you originally claimed hider, THEN after it was proved you weren't a hider you claimed 'very out of the ordinary hider variant'.

Also, his character is questionable, as it doesn't fit with the graveyard characters. I'm not aware of anyone else making a credible claim to having a similar character, so until one is proven I'm skeptical at best.

On a related note, DJ, you said something about being willing to finally reveal your character today?

[Paws7297]

I Just realized something... I targetted shape night 2...

If anyone's interested I have 3 abilities.

Theif, Roleblock and Untargetable. I can choose which ability I want to use each night.

I am, Niko Bellic, Axis of Eviltown Aligned No Roman I Don't Want to Go Bowling!
from Grand Theft Auto 4

Night 2 I Tried to steal from Shape. Was told I was unable to steal anything.
The next person I targeted I stole again. This was the night the phase ended early. Not sure what night it was though. I got a motorcycle. Not neccesarily from MLT I THink... But, I Got it and used that to track Jman2k3 the next night. Who, targeted nobody (This was the night I got silenced.)

Also, Last night I targetted DJ and again was unable to steal anything.

[Paws7297]

Now I need to read some write-ups and see where I Can find myself while I Actually have some time.

Also, you want a vote on shape while I'mma here? Vote: TheShape

[mjdgoldeneye]

Forgot ti do this before:

Vote: The Shape

[gonvick]

I Just realized something... I targetted shape night 2...

If anyone's interested I have 3 abilities.

Theif, Roleblock and Untargetable. I can choose which ability I want to use each night.

I am, Niko Bellic, Axis of Eviltown Aligned No Roman I Don't Want to Go Bowling!
from Grand Theft Auto 4

Night 2 I Tried to steal from Shape. Was told I was unable to steal anything.
The next person I targeted I stole again. This was the night the phase ended early. Not sure what night it was though. I got a motorcycle. Not neccesarily from MLT I THink... But, I Got it and used that to track Jman2k3 the next night. Who, targeted nobody (This was the night I got silenced.)

Also, Last night I targetted DJ and again was unable to steal anything.

Any limitation to how and when the abilities can be used? Not that I need specifics, but if you can theoretically go through the game being untargetable, then a hider, even if it is only from kills, would seem less likely. There can only be so many roles that scum aren't able to kill.

Is that a full list of your activities so far? Did you do anything at all on the other nights?

[Prophet]

It is now Evilday 8. With 2 remaining it is 12 for majority. You have until 10:00 PM EST Tuesday February 15th to reach majority.

The Shape - 5 (Jaded, djthefunkchris, moon_lit_tears, paws7297, mjdgoldeneye)

Lemme know if you see a mistake

[Jman2k3]

Vote: The Shape

[Tha Black Phenom]

Stuff going on, I see, I see.

Havent dropped a vote in a while, so whichever way is to be decided, tell me and I'll drop one. I know I've said this forever now, so.. yeah, matter of fact just ring me up real hard for it. :p

Also, everyone should hide behind me in every game. Ever. I'm such a nice person, if I was the PGO I wouldn't even harm you :D

[djthefunkchris]

Also, his character is questionable, as it doesn't fit with the graveyard characters. I'm not aware of anyone else making a credible claim to having a similar character, so until one is proven I'm skeptical at best.

On a related note, DJ, you said something about being willing to finally reveal your character today?
/nodKristoph Gavin, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Coolest Defense in the West

I Just realized something... I targetted shape night 2...

If anyone's interested I have 3 abilities.

Theif, Roleblock and Untargetable. I can choose which ability I want to use each night.

I am, Niko Bellic, Axis of Eviltown Aligned No Roman I Don't Want to Go Bowling!
from Grand Theft Auto 4

Night 2 I Tried to steal from Shape. Was told I was unable to steal anything.
The next person I targeted I stole again. This was the night the phase ended early. Not sure what night it was though. I got a motorcycle. Not neccesarily from MLT I THink... But, I Got it and used that to track Jman2k3 the next night. Who, targeted nobody (This was the night I got silenced.)

Also, Last night I targetted DJ and again was unable to steal anything.
Hmm... He didn't hide night 2 I don't believe. That's kind of interesting.

[JackalBane]

Well, I think it's about time for this

Vote: The Shape

[The Shape]

Your role ISN'T being dismissed for being very out of the ordinary.

Your role is being dismissed because you originally claimed hider, THEN after it was proved you weren't a hider you claimed 'very out of the ordinary hider variant'.

When I claimed I was one or two away from lynch with people lurking. I quickly typed out a post. I fail to see any other appropriate way of quickly summarising it. It is, in the most basic sense, a hider. I hide. There is no other hider in the game, I have been silenced by scum, and still we're headed down the same route. It's especially frustrating as I've done nothing for several phases, asked to be replaced, then when I actually start getting involved to avoid a mislynch it seems to no avail and a role that could be quite useful yet which I've got very little useage out of could be on its way out. I can protect myself and prove people as town. Just think about that for a minute.

[praguepride]

so, you didn't send in an ability to hide?

Or are you claiming that a hider who is not a hider?

Vote: the Shape

[gonvick]

When I claimed I was one or two away from lynch with people lurking. I quickly typed out a post. I fail to see any other appropriate way of quickly summarising it.

But you could have clarified it at any point after that post. You were obviously around during the night phase to send in your target, so you could have given the town a head's up that you aren't the typical hider variant at that point.

I can protect myself and prove people as town. Just think about that for a minute.

You haven't revealed your most recent target, to prove them as town yet, so I have to question your intentions of using it as such.

[Derek B]

Their have been some discussions that the silencer is probably scum. I'm sure there are other's that believe him to be town as well. Only the silencer knows for sure. Weird targets though...

You have to understand that this game reminds me of the first game, and the silencing that Derek did at the start of the game (to himself as scum), to ensure the rest of the town believed he was town... it just reminds me how possible (and brilliant) that tactic is. Do I think you would try something like that? Absolutely. Do I believe there is a possibility Derek did the same thing again this game... Yes. However, I also believe that an older player that was around for the first game, might want to set Derek up like that to fool someone like myself (get my suspiciouns going right off the bat). Derek's play is what saves me from thinking that way, but your pointing fingers without really knowing why... or you're at least not giving enough of your thoughts for me to actually follow.

I don't get why it would be so important for us to believe that scum silenced you when people have already said during the day phase, that scum might have done that on purpose to keep you from being lynched. How does this help your case? It's like you keep saying exactly what people already suggested.. Here's what I mean:

People speculated that you were silenced by someone in your scum group to play on the town's normal play of not lynching a silenced person (we like to here people answer questions first).- You come in and say "I think the silencer was scum!"

I thought there was a chance you didn't send in a PM. You say "For the record, I was able to send in a PM and still was silenced".

Another pointed out, what if it was a townie that silenced you to test your ability?

You never answered that.

So exactly what is your line of thinking. I'm trying to figure it out, but you keep digging a hole (although I believe that to be unintentional). I'm missing something or some point your not getting accross.

The silencing wasn't night 1 in VG1, it was about Night 5 I think. We'd already been roleblocked a few times and silenced IER with it by then, using it on me by then was what made the play valuable. Doing it N1 would've jsut been a waste since it was a 3 shot ability and woulda done nothing. Doing harmful things to your own team on N1 isn't a good idea in general, unless you have an insane plan and can get people to follow it. Requires lots of insane people to do though.

I Just realized something... I targetted shape night 2...

If anyone's interested I have 3 abilities.

Theif, Roleblock and Untargetable. I can choose which ability I want to use each night.

I am, Niko Bellic, Axis of Eviltown Aligned No Roman I Don't Want to Go Bowling!
from Grand Theft Auto 4

Night 2 I Tried to steal from Shape. Was told I was unable to steal anything.
The next person I targeted I stole again. This was the night the phase ended early. Not sure what night it was though. I got a motorcycle. Not neccesarily from MLT I THink... But, I Got it and used that to track Jman2k3 the next night. Who, targeted nobody (This was the night I got silenced.)

Also, Last night I targetted DJ and again was unable to steal anything.

Yeah... when you get the chance, could you do a well organised list of things for me? That's just messy, inaccurate and incomplete, which makes is almost as unhelpful as it is helpful. It IS helpful, just not as much as it could/should be.

But you could have clarified it at any point after that post. You were obviously around during the night phase to send in your target, so you could have given the town a head's up that you aren't the typical hider variant at that point.



You haven't revealed your most recent target, to prove them as town yet, so I have to question your intentions of using it as such.

VOTE: The Shape

Story is too convuluted to make sense, he shoulda hung yesterday instead of being allowed to babble on. NOT dying when hiding behind TBP (self-confessed non-town) is enough reason to lynch. Being targettable while hiding is enough for me. Arguing that any the claim made could strategically be better for town is wrong, since the best outcome is that a vig would target him while any other result leads back to not being a hider.

The way Shape describes his role is that he's trying to shove someone out in front of him if he's gonna get killed, which is a variant of bulletproof instead of a hider. And the write ups seem to suggest there's a pokemon trainer out there who is bulletproof... presumablly townie since they appear twice, but not necessarily townie.

Anywho, it's after 1am and I'm off to bed. If anyone posts spoilers for the TNA PPV in this thread I'll use my mod powers to edit your posts to vote for yourself every chance you get. Srsly. :p

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 8. With 22 remaining it is 12 for majority. You have until 10:00 PM EST Tuesday February 15th to reach majority.

The Shape - 9 (Jaded, djthefunkchris, moon_lit_tears, paws7297, mjdgoldeneye, JMan2k3, JackalBane, PraguePride, Derek_B)

[bak42]

I agree that Shape's story has more holes in it than swiss cheese, but I'm going to hold off voting since we still have plenty of time in the phase.

[moon_lit_tears]

I agree that Shape's story has more holes in it than swiss cheese, but I'm going to hold off voting since we still have plenty of time in the phase.

Normally I'd be right there with you, but we've had two no lynches. We just need to do this and move on. Btw where is T2. :p

[praguepride]

Normally I'd be right there with you, but we've had two no lynches. We just need to do this and move on. Btw where is T2. :p

/nod. I'm paranoid about vote manipulation even though there isn't a sign of it.

Somehow the shape survived an extra day and night phase. I'd rather an early lynch then give time for scum (or wayward town) to confuse and split town votes.

PLUS we've had serious issues with town participation. Let's just go forward and use the night phases productively.

[bak42]

Normally I'd be right there with you, but we've had two no lynches. We just need to do this and move on. Btw where is T2. :p

Fine, I still think that lynching Shape so quickly is unwise, especially since we've still got almost two days before the deadline.

vote: The Shape

[moon_lit_tears]

Fine, I still think that lynching Shape so quickly is unwise, especially since we've still got almost two days before the deadline.

vote: The Shape

I understand. Believe me, I'm one who hates to waste time, but two straight no lynches...makes me wonder.

I'm not thrilled with the lynch. We all know who I'd like to lynch. :p

[Derek B]

Normally I'd be right there with you, but we've had two no lynches. We just need to do this and move on. Btw where is T2. :p

He appears to be hiding in the room next door. Currently, he is probably asleep so I'll leave him be. But if he doesn't start doing stuff soon he's going to end up with his own vote on him. :p

/nod. I'm paranoid about vote manipulation even though there isn't a sign of it.

Somehow the shape survived an extra day and night phase. I'd rather an early lynch then give time for scum (or wayward town) to confuse and split town votes.

PLUS we've had serious issues with town participation. Let's just go forward and use the night phases productively.

No evidence of vote manipulation yet, but TBP's vote is on the lynch. I figured he'd be as good a target as any to steal from given his claim and general lack of voting in the last few phases.

Fine, I still think that lynching Shape so quickly is unwise, especially since we've still got almost two days before the deadline.

vote: The Shape

I understand. Believe me, I'm one who hates to waste time, but two straight no lynches...makes me wonder.

I'm not thrilled with the lynch. We all know who I'd like to lynch. :p

Given the way thing have gone in previous phases, I want to pile votes on now rather than risk getting to the end of a phase. If anyone wants to talk about stuff at night there is nothing stopping that from happening, especially since it takes more for scum to work out plans based on new info than it does for town. Actively using every phase is what will win us this game... which requires people being active in general. :)

So yeah.... should be hammer time for whoever wants to hammer, unless your name is Tha Black Phenom since his vote is already on there. :p

[The Shape]

Fair enough. I guess at the very least if this proves you can get a majority, it might be worth it. Just take note of who that majority consists of.

[djthefunkchris]

Fair enough. I guess at the very least if this proves you can get a majority, it might be worth it. Just take note of who that majority consists of.

If you do come up town, if you even get lynched, I'm curious to know who you think we should look into. If you have any insight on it, it might even help you right now. This is what I've been trying to get out of you. I think you understand the evidence on you, and the claim doesn't fit etc. Ignoring all of that and the votes on you, who would you be looking into right now?

[d_w_w]

I failed again... :|

Same response?

No, actually, this time I was just told I was unable to reach my target.

I'm sad that this line of discussion has largely been ignored.

Anyhow, I generally agree that it would be good to try to actually make some progress in this game.

Vote: The Shape

But speaking of things to talk about during the night phase, I'd be in favor of "why MJD got different results for Derek B than for the person he targeted last night".

[praguepride]

Did you do anything last night shape?

Not that I know of.

I was going through the thread and thought I'd bring this up. D3, Paws questions Shape and he passes it off like he's got a passive ability.

No mention of forgetting to send in night actions or anything.

[The Shape]

I was going through the thread and thought I'd bring this up. D3, Paws questions Shape and he passes it off like he's got a passive ability.

No mention of forgetting to send in night actions or anything.

I hadn't sent in my action, so I hadn't done anything I was aware of. Thought it possible that it might happen automatically, hence the qualification, but nothing came of that.

[moon_lit_tears]

I hadn't sent in my action, so I hadn't done anything I was aware of. Thought it possible that it might happen automatically, hence the qualification, but nothing came of that.

Hisses are not done like that, that I've seen.


Your PM should tell you if it is or not.

[The Shape]

Hisses are not done like that

Predictive text? :P

And my PM doesn't tell me much.

[Astil]

I'm sad that this line of discussion has largely been ignored.

Anyhow, I generally agree that it would be good to try to actually make some progress in this game.

Vote: The Shape

But speaking of things to talk about during the night phase, I'd be in favor of "why MJD got different results for Derek B than for the person he targeted last night".

Day phase ended here.

[praguepride]

Looking at the kills, and failed attempts, for this So if the Hoist/Throw guy is the SK, since he's consistently out, then what do we make of the others? There's a few possibilities and I have some ideas, but I'd like to hear what others think is going on.

Discuss.

Re-reading the thread, I'm thinking the throw/hoist guy is a wrestler from TEW, in the same line as Wolf Hawkins.

Whether it's a killing cult or a scum faction, that means that speedy is probably the other scum hitman for the mario stomper group that killed the koopas.

Now, throw guy has killed:
N1: mjdgoldeneye
N2: blocked from a kill
N4:blocked from a kill
N5: blocked from a kill
N6: possibly blocked from a kill


As for speedy:
N1: antithesis
N2: Gonvick
N4: possibly shadowedflames
N5: NO MENTION!!!
N6: Crychon


As for other killers:
Blade killer:
N6: Dragonmack...

Fire Breath:
N1: masterded


So... Speedy and Wrestler are definitely scum killers looking at their targets.

Blade Killer is an unknown, Fire Breath sounds like scum as well but... that would mean there were 3 scum killers N1. Possibly 2 scum and an SK who has not sent in a kill since?


Anyway, to echo Gonvick, N5 is a key phase. I'm guessing that the killer was roleblocked as I could read other parts as roleblocking, perhaps getting to the killer before the kill scene?

If that's the case, that would mean that the wrestler wasn't roleblocked but was protected, which makes sense considering if someone roleblocked a scum killer 3 days in a row, you'd think they would say something. Even if they're scum, they wouldn't be the same scum faction to stop their own killer so why not say something and weaken a rival faction and get "townie brownie" points.

And with this samurai showing up now saving someone, I'm really betting that N5, the scum killer was roleblocked. If you roleblocked someone N5, consider sharing your target as you may have caught scum.

I failed again... :|

With all the talks about recruitment, you claim that you're a "townie" recruiter. Care to share your target list?

You don't have to say if you were successful or not but it would be a big step for me to trust you if I knew who to keep an eye out for with a cult alignment.

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Evilday 8

They finally finished what they had started the day before. He claimed to be a squirrel. Axis of Eviltown certainly loved squirrels.



However, apparently, not this one.

The Shape is dead. He was Sam Keith, Syndicate Aligned Perpetual Heel

It is now Night Phase 8. You have until 10:00 PM EST to get all PMs to Astil and Prophet.

[Astil]

trypio can speak in the thread.

[The Shape]

Wish I could have put more into this but did my best given the circumstances.

And I have definitely seen hiders like that before. ;)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Every time I wake up. Oh well.

Making some headway... good 'un.