Video Game Mafia 2 Game Thread

[Jaded]

Go us! Nice lynch all.

[Jaded]

Where'd Arrows go? Was seeming fairly active at one point and barely anything now for the last week or so.

[moon_lit_tears]

Wish I could have put more into this but did my best given the circumstances.

And I have definitely seen hiders like that before. ;)

It's okay. <3

[Paws7297]

Any limitation to how and when the abilities can be used? Not that I need specifics, but if you can theoretically go through the game being untargetable, then a hider, even if it is only from kills, would seem less likely. There can only be so many roles that scum aren't able to kill.

Is that a full list of your activities so far? Did you do anything at all on the other nights?
Not that I know of.
YEa. I was absent alot and unable to send anything in.

[gonvick]

I'm sad that this line of discussion has largely been ignored.

Anyhow, I generally agree that it would be good to try to actually make some progress in this game.

Vote: The Shape

But speaking of things to talk about during the night phase, I'd be in favor of "why MJD got different results for Derek B than for the person he targeted last night".

This shouldn't be forgotten about. I still find it interesting that Derek was uninterested in a mason group. Seems unlikely he started the game as scum, so prior recruitment seems a possible explanation.

The other side to this is that there was a particular thing that wasn't successful for the first time in the write ups. And it coincides with MJD not being able to find his target. Seems there was either some overlap in targeting, which wasn't consistently portrayed in the write up, or MJD hasn't been truthful.

Having trouble making sense of his play if he's not being truthful, and I could see overlap occurring, but I don't know why the write up would hide that overlap. Which is making me re-consider possible motives.

I think I'd like a character name from MJD at his earliest convenience. I don't think that should need to be a secret.


Blade Killer is an unknown, Fire Breath sounds like scum as well but... that would mean there were 3 scum killers N1. Possibly 2 scum and an SK who has not sent in a kill since?

With some of the kills being more ambiguous than others, it's hard top say for certain who's responsible for what. One possibility I've been considering is that the Vesperia killer is a SK that doesn't have to kill every night.

N1: Anti
N2: Nothing
N3: Skipped
N4: ShadowedFlames
N5: Nothing
N6: Dragonmack
N7: Nothing

Seems to work out if the skipped night changed the order slightly.

But that would mean that Speedy didn't do anything on N4, N5 or N7. I don't see anything that looks like a failed attempt from him on those nights. Maybe that group has another option other than killing? I'm not sure what's going on with the kills.

If someone might have info about those nights, now would be a good time to speak up.

[gonvick]

MLT, could we get a list of your targets so far. Don't necessarily need the results, but unless I've mistaken what you do, the targets could be helpful in narrowing some things down.

[praguepride]

@ Gonvick: You might be right.

There are 3 kills in the OP, one is a mob action which is most def a scum faction, the second is the wrestlers "taking ovah", the third... is a solo killer.

Could be an SK that kills every other night and he and speedy have just been unlucky/lucky in that they've alternated being successful. There's potentially two known protectors (pew pew, assuming they're not a roleblocker but I discussed that earlier and samurai).

There's also a considerable amount of roleblockers/silencers/other misc. active abilities going round so perhaps they were just blocked.

Or, final option is that Vespira guy is SK with specific targets in mind. He's hunting someone or something specific and this particular player is choosing to target strategically rather then create a bloodbath.

Might be a smart play as it's easier to cut the SK deal with town if you aren't standing on a pile of townie corpses when you do it ;)

[Derek B]

MLT, could we get a list of your targets so far. Don't necessarily need the results, but unless I've mistaken what you do, the targets could be helpful in narrowing some things down.

Indeed, would be handy.

I've finally had the chance to compile some info from my notes, I'd like more info from all of the following as I've got nothing on them at all so far as hints towards characters or abilities.

Comradebot
Gabbo
Midnightnick
MichiganHero
The Rock 13
trypio
Waghlon

And that's assuming I've pieced other things together properly, which is weak at best for a number of hints. More info from anyone else would be good for the town as a whole, though not as pressing as getting some info from important people. There's gonna be at least 4 more scum in this game as a baseline, and I'd bet real money that it's more than that, I just don't know by how much. But I want to know, and I want to know soon.

[Gabbo]

Obvious lynch result but I am rather annoyed at how fast it went through. Especially considering votes from people I consider to be town. It was so unnecessary, it was a real chance for us to stamp our authority on the game and it just feels like a smash and grab lynch and back into perpetual paranoia.

Can't do nothing about it now though. C-bot got away with doing exactly what Shape tried. 'I asked to be replaced' and people just ignored it. What if we ignored it when Shape did it, where would we be now?


Every time I wake up. Oh well.

Making some headway... good 'un.

Lol, as if you care. :p


Funny little voting pattern on our last two lynches:

TheKenwyne - 12 (Dragonmack, Bluestar, Arrows, Midnightnick, Destiny, MichiganHero, Jman2k3, JackalBane, praguepride, Derek_b, Jaded)
The Shape - 11 (Jaded, djthefunkchris, moon_lit_tears, paws7297, mjdgoldeneye, JMan2k3, JackalBane, praguepride, Derek_b, bak42, d_w_w)

[praguepride]

lol, you got us. We are part of The Allegience Of People With Consecutive Freetime

;)

Seriously though, I will say Jman, Jackal and I are online at similar times, and this pattern exists across several games. Ive got no explanation for derek. I think he is just a follower at heart :P

[Gabbo]

Wasn't accusing you of anything, just thought it was funny.

[praguepride]

Wasn't accusing you of anything, just thought it was funny.


During GCBC I was freaking out because Jman and I were scum and our votes were back to back almost the entire game. We werent trying to, in fact I was trying not to but we were just always on and active at the same time.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'll accuse them, then. Got nothing else in my agenda.

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/8105/fgevilmonkey.jpg

[Derek B]

Wasn't accusing you of anything, just thought it was funny.

It's weird, I have the lynching totals in front of me and I didn't even notice it until you pointed it out. Probably because I was looking for a different pattern involving the first and second lynches.

For those keeping score, it seems Destiny was most likely a double voter. Either that, or it's the mysteriously quiet Arrows but I'm leaning towards it being Destes at this point. Which annoys me given how rarely he was around to vote, yet was around enough to bemoan the lack of progress. Grumble grumble grumble...

Anywho, if you have anything you want to talk about, do it now. Just because it's night phase doesn't mean everyone should stop playing the game. Put ideas out there, because scum can't react as a group as quickly as a single townie can. Lynching quickly was better for the town than not, it meant stuff got done rather than going so far then changing direction, which isn't something this town does well and seems more likely to end up in failure than not. I'm generally against quick lynches, but not this game. Take that for what you will.

While I remember, I want to hear who MJD targetted last night. He's given the result, but not the target. No reason not to give the target since the rest is public.

[Derek B]

I'll accuse them, then. Got nothing else in my agenda.

/snip

You successfully helped lynch The Shape.. you didn't know it, but you did. ;) :cool: oh noes, teh scum smileh!

[praguepride]

lol.

I definitely want to hear MJs target list. Dont care if he says who was successful or not, but IF there is a cult, recruiting mason is suspicious.

Especially considering what his character does during the There Will Be Brawl series, in a land of evil, he might be just evil enought to try and backstab the rest of us ;)

If he is town, he has nothing to hide and no reason to lie...

[Derek B]

Oh, and another thing from my notes that I've noticed since someone wanted to point out a wrestler as the throwing killer (which I'm not 100% about, but has merit).

In the distant past, some might even argue a past life, Jackalbane (then known as Rabbitman) said that his character is from one of the most popular games ever (post 34) and then later that his character is a generic Russian (post 198). I don't have the greatest video game knowledge in the world, but that fits the profile of Street Fighter's Zangief to me.

Might be worth looking into, might not. But worth drawing attention to since so often player changes can make people miss things that have been said.

[Derek B]

lol.

I definitely want to hear MJs target list. Dont care if he says who was successful or not, but IF there is a cult, recruiting mason is suspicious.

Especially considering what his character does during the There Will Be Brawl series, in a land of evil, he might be just evil enought to try and backstab the rest of us ;)

If he is town, he has nothing to hide and no reason to lie...

Either I've missed an MJD roleclaim or you've reached the same conclusion as I have. Either way, There Will Be Brawl is awesome. Saw the last part of it around the time this game started after forgetting about it for ages and was very happy. Highly recommended viewing for people who like seeing their favourite characters twisted in a noir universe. :D

[praguepride]

/nod. I caught that and even speculated that the second group was street fighter coming in, but with a TEW heel grouo showing up, it makes more sense for Tommy, Wolf, Sam, and the Machines to be killers.

[moon_lit_tears]

So....:p

[mjdgoldeneye]

While I remember, I want to hear who MJD targetted last night. He's given the result, but not the target. No reason not to give the target since the rest is public.

lol.

I definitely want to hear MJs target list. Dont care if he says who was successful or not, but IF there is a cult, recruiting mason is suspicious.

Especially considering what his character does during the There Will Be Brawl series, in a land of evil, he might be just evil enought to try and backstab the rest of us ;)

If he is town, he has nothing to hide and no reason to lie...

Either I've missed an MJD roleclaim or you've reached the same conclusion as I have. Either way, There Will Be Brawl is awesome.

I'm not in There Will Be Brawl. Did I make hints I'm not aware of? I'm not a Nintendo character.

However, There Will Be Brawl is quite good.

I've only been in the game for 2 night phases. I targeted Derek and then Arrows. As I said, I was just flat-out unsuccessful last night.

I will say that my color and alignment are unique. I'm not standard red. I only say that because, if I die, I don't want everyone scrambling and looking for enemies that don't exist. You know that and you know my targets. If I can be any more transparent, let me know. :p

[praguepride]

Wait, so you are a recruiter but aren't Gannondorf?



scuuuuuuu... er.... cuuuuuuuuult

[mjdgoldeneye]

Wait, so you are a recruiter but aren't Gannondorf?



scuuuuuuu... er.... cuuuuuuuuult

I'm not Ganondorf. I don't see why I have to be Ganondorf. Also, if I'm a cult, there are TWO cults. If I was lying about Petrija being totally inactive, why was she replaced?

Also, why would I suddenly claim to be a mason immediately upon showing up? You do realize I try to win when I play these games right? :p

What sort of hyper-convoluted scum strategy involves blatantly outing oneself? I know I say that I try to make things look nonsensical to those without all the information, but I really don't see how enough things can be true without being contradictory such that I'm scum. Immediately revealing all of my actions makes it impossible for me to win. LYING about all my actions makes it impossible to not get caught.

[moon_lit_tears]

Man you people talk more at night than during the day. :eek:

[praguepride]

Man you people talk more at night than during the day. :eek:

It's safer...errr, shoot :(

[moon_lit_tears]

It's safer...errr, shoot :(

Yeah, scum. :p

[Derek B]

Wait, so you are a recruiter but aren't Gannondorf?



scuuuuuuu... er.... cuuuuuuuuult

I sorta second this motion...

If MJD isn't Ganondorf, who's ability was to recruit in the first game and who I logically assumed MJD to be claiming as he's the most likely person to be a mason recruiter based on the opening write up showing all of the original characters here.... well, MJD, you really are going to have to explain who and what you are.

It also adds some logical reasons to my pile of speculation for why I wasn't recruitable if you in fact actually got to me in the first place, but since they're ALL speculation rather than facts I'm not going to mention them.

But seriously though... you're going to need to character claim properly. When I thought you were Ganondorf reprising his role, I was perfectly happy with you. Now I'm not.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I sorta second this motion...

If MJD isn't Ganondorf, who's ability was to recruit in the first game and who I logically assumed MJD to be claiming as he's the most likely person to be a mason recruiter based on the opening write up showing all of the original characters here.... well, MJD, you really are going to have to explain who and what you are.

It also adds some logical reasons to my pile of speculation for why I wasn't recruitable if you in fact actually got to me in the first place, but since they're ALL speculation rather than facts I'm not going to mention them.

But seriously though... you're going to need to character claim properly. When I thought you were Ganondorf reprising his role, I was perfectly happy with you. Now I'm not.

I question how a character claim changes the facts.

I'm not saying I won't claim, as I will, but failure to properly address whats already out there will lead to me not cooperating, life on the line or not.

I'm not going to bother if you guys aren't.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Should I claim now? It's night phase, but I don't want people saying "grumble grumble he had time to think of a claim grumble".

[moon_lit_tears]

Should I claim now? It's night phase, but I don't want people saying "grumble grumble he had time to think of a claim grumble".

I'd prefer you wait, but what the hell go for it!

[Derek B]

I question how a character claim changes the facts.

I'm not saying I won't claim, as I will, but failure to properly address whats already out there will lead to me not cooperating, life on the line or not.

I'm not going to bother if you guys aren't.

I've been the strongest advocate that the write ups DON'T show a cult, while others have argued against me. If I was right about that all along, then you have been able to hide behind that. Ganondorf repeating his role seemed a safe and logical choice for a mason recruiter... you denying that you are that character opens up the possibility for an actual cult. A character claim now will help alleviate those fears, while protestations of being innocent of roles in the past game after I posted them in the game thread days ago will serve to make you look worse.

Should I claim now? It's night phase, but I don't want people saying "grumble grumble he had time to think of a claim grumble".

Yes. If people still think you are scummy you're going to live anyways so that the day phase can be wasted. If not, which is really unlikely, then you might get killed.

It's a risk either way but you not being the the character who fits right into your role means you will almost certainly be lynched if you don't claim soon. And I want to know what you are claiming now to save time later, since this town doesn't exactly win awards for reaching a lynch.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd prefer you wait, but what the hell go for it!

As the resident "STOP TALKING, IT'S NIGHT TIME!" person, I will heed your words.

I'm Giovanni, Team Rocket Aligned Rocket Boss.

[Derek B]

Reposting this from earlier (post 499, in Day 5) so that people have no excuse for missing it.

Roles:

THE WINNERS: AXIS OF EVIL

Derek B

You are Bowser Axis of Evil Aligned Turtle Tyrant

The king koopa, the big baddy, you are Bowser himself. Sure you’ve had some horrible plans before, but this isn’t a plot about a princess, it’s about lives and control now.

With your gang Gannondorf (midnightnick), Robotnik (lostrelms) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason) you plan to forcefully take control of this town. Once per night you PM me the name of who you wish to kill and who in your group will be doing the kill.

You may speak with your gang outside of the game.

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players

midnightnick

You are Gannondorf Axis of Evil Aligned Power Triforce Owner

Foiled, again and again by Link, you have become frustrated. By teaming up with these other villains you feel that you stand a better chance. However, you are a bit smarter than the rest. You know that there are more with dark hearts out there.

Once per night, providing you are not doing the kill, you may search by PMing me a name who you feel can be recruited to your cause.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Robotnik (lostrelms) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

TheEdgeofReason

You are Vaati Axis of Evil Aligned Small Sorcerer

Who?

That’s the response most gamers have when your name is brought up, however you are a big time villain in a big time gamin series. To prove your worth you’ve joined with some more famous names to take over.

Three times in the game you may use your powers to turn a player to stone. This player will be unable to speak, vote or participate during the next day AND night phase. You may only do this if you are not doing the kill for the Axis.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Robotnik (Lostrelms) and Gannondorf (midnightnick).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Lostrelms

You are Robotnik Axis of Evil Aligned Crazy Doctor

You’ve learned to hate anything blue, fast or hedgehog-like. You, out of any villain in your gang, have been made to look the worst. All you wanted to do was turn animals into robots, is that so bad?

The main thing you bring to your gangmates is a very large weapon, the Death Egg. At any time during a day phase you may crash it, ending the day phase. Unfortunately you can only do this once.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Gannondorf (midnightnick) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Clarity

You are Riku, Secondary Alliance Aligned Misguided Heart

You are Riku, Axis of Evil Aligned Misguided Heart

You want to help your gang, but you don’t know who they are, nor do they know you. That’s why you’ve come up with the plan to lay low and help them in another way.

With your power of manipulation you may change someone’s vote during the day phase. To do this PM me the name of the person who you wish to change and the name of the person you want them to vote for.

You win if the Secondary Alliance out numbers all other players.
You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Roles:

Surviving Townies

Mr T Jobs To Me

You are Cats, Town Aligned Setter of the Bomb

“How are you gentlemen?” “All your base are belong to us.” “You have no chance to survive to survive, make your time.”

With these few lines you cemented your place in video game history. Now the town needs help, and you’re the best man…thing for the job. Be warned, if attacked you will set someone up the bomb.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

masterded:

You are Master Chief, Town Aligned Shot Gun Carrying Spartan

When **** goes down, you grab a gun. This time is no different; you aren’t getting taken down in the night. You plan on sleeping with your shotgun, and if anyone decides to mess with you, well they don’t deserve that face anyway.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

BIGJOSH

You are Cloud, Town Aligned Spikey-haired Super SOLIDER

You thought you were rid of him. You thought you killed him one…two…three times. Somehow he’s returned, and it’s up to you to find him. Sephiroth lurks among your townmates, and you cannot rest until he dies. Once per night you may PM me a name. You will receive a simple yes or no answer regarding whether or not that player is Sephiroth.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and Sephiroth dies before you.

i effin rule

You are Fox McCloud, Town Aligned Arwing Piloting Fox

As a pilot you are trained to be cool under pressure and depend on the help of others. Through whatever this encounter will bring you know there is one person … erm Falcon that will be there for you. Outside of the game you may speak to Falco (Jim Force) about strategy and whatnot.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm going to go watch a computer destroy everyone on Jeopardy now and then watch House. :cool:

[Derek B]

As the resident "STOP TALKING, IT'S NIGHT TIME!" person, I will heed your words.

I'm Giovanni, Team Rocket Aligned Rocket Boss.

Given that it's from a canon I know a LOT about, I have a lot of worry about this. Team Rocket steal from anyone if they think it will help them and don't play nice with others regardless of them being twerps or other villainous groups.

What does your PM say about people you are trying to recruit? Paraphrase, obviously. Why are you recruiting people to an entirely different organisation that isn't a part of the town? And how could you read through the game thread and not realise that people would think you were Ganondorf given what you'd said about your role?

ARGH! Sometimes I really headdesk when I play games with you and you miss things I feel are obvious... even when I realise that in this case it's probably because I just know VG1 pretty well and Pokemon extremely well....

And I should go to bed soon... but don't want to go away before this concludes. :mad:

[gonvick]

I'm not Ganondorf. I don't see why I have to be Ganondorf. Also, if I'm a cult, there are TWO cults. If I was lying about Petrija being totally inactive, why was she replaced?

Also, why would I suddenly claim to be a mason immediately upon showing up? You do realize I try to win when I play these games right? :p

What sort of hyper-convoluted scum strategy involves blatantly outing oneself? I know I say that I try to make things look nonsensical to those without all the information, but I really don't see how enough things can be true without being contradictory such that I'm scum. Immediately revealing all of my actions makes it impossible for me to win. LYING about all my actions makes it impossible to not get caught.

Isn't that the exact strategy you used as a cult leader in the Nedokius game?

And Petrija's inactivity wouldn't be much an issue if it were a cult that that had to recruit each night, as it could have been RNG'd, like a SK typically would be. Alternatively, if there was a second member, they could have been sending in the targets, as mods often make allowances for inactive teammates.

With you saying you weren't able to reach your target, and a particularly questionable role not able to reach their target in the write up, I'm sure you can see where there might be some concern.

And we really need to hear from Arrows about why he couldn't be reached.

Man you people talk more at night than during the day. :eek:

About that list of targets? Hoping you plan to share before the day phase starts?

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm going to go watch a computer destroy everyone on Jeopardy now and then watch House. :cool:

That's on Tonight? fML!

[moon_lit_tears]

Petrija
t2
Paws
Derek
tBP


Not in that order and I forget 2. Tbh I deleted my PMs. I had 472. :eek:

[Derek B]

Petrija
t2
Paws
Derek
tBP


Not in that order and I forget 2. Tbh I deleted my PMs. I had 472. :eek:

Then ask the mods for confirmation and report back. That's what they're there for...

... and really? You deleted your results PMs without revealing them or committing them to memory? That's all the solid info you've gathered all game and you can't even be sure what it was.

Anywho, I'm off to bed. Feeling tired and need sleep. G'night all.

[Gabbo]

Interested in hearing from Arrows on why he couldn't be reached as well.

We're looking into cult and mason for mjd, we're not even guaranteed he is either. He may be plain scum with a very risky claim playing on the fact that we had 6 phases of nothing and he probably only has 3 or 4 phases to explain away and maybe put forth a team-mate as a successful recruit before the game ends.

[Jaded]

I'm not loving MLT's "oh, I deleted my results PM's."

400+ PM's to choose from and you delete stuff from a current game?

Definitely want to hear from Arrows as well, him going silent always scares the heck outta me.

[moon_lit_tears]

K. Will ask. Only got info on one so...lol

I'm a airhead anyway. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm not loving MLT's "oh, I deleted my results PM's."

400+ PM's to choose from and you delete stuff from a current game?

Definitely want to hear from Arrows as well, him going silent always scares the heck outta me.

I deleted everything TBH


Jman
C-bot
Arrows
TBP
derek_b
DjtheFunkChris
midnightnick

Only got a result on one. That has already been shared.

I delete the entire folder when it gets that many. I have a folder for my role PMs, but I really need to do something about result PMs. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

Given that it's from a canon I know a LOT about, I have a lot of worry about this. Team Rocket steal from anyone if they think it will help them and don't play nice with others regardless of them being twerps or other villainous groups.

Team Rocket is greedy, but on the spectrum of villainy, they're (explicitly at least, ignoring bizarre fan speculation) not exactly "ruthless". I'd be more worried about Ganondorf than Team Rocket.

What does your PM say about people you are trying to recruit? Paraphrase, obviously. Why are you recruiting people to an entirely different organisation that isn't a part of the town? And how could you read through the game thread and not realise that people would think you were Ganondorf given what you'd said about your role?

ARGH! Sometimes I really headdesk when I play games with you and you miss things I feel are obvious... even when I realise that in this case it's probably because I just know VG1 pretty well and Pokemon extremely well....

Going right to the second part first, I died really early in VG1. I don't consider previous games to be prerequisite reading. If you asked me to list who was scum in that game, I'd have listed Ganondorf. However, I wouldn't have made any particular connections. Until you and prague's posts right before I claimed, I didn't even know you guys thought that's who I was.

Regardless, what difference does it make? At all? Did I somehow goad anyone into making a bad decision by accidentally implying something? I hope not and believe not.

The wise scum thing to do would be to just play along and pretend I didn't realize what you were talking about. Once again, I don't see how tearing down that security would really help.

I think this is just a case of me playing a role differently than you would. In fact, I think you've already decided I'm scum and are disappointed I'm doing a bad job. The fact is, I'm NOT scum.

As for my recruitment thing, it isn't very explict. It says I'm experienced in organizing ****amamie villainous schemes and such organization would come in handy in our current situation. Honestly, not every mod dwells heavily on the psychology linking flavor to practicality. That said, still, in my opinion, Giovanni is villainous but not the type I'd identify as cult. I could have gotten stuck with Dracula or Wesker or Harbinger/Sovereign and that would have been impossible.

Isn't that the exact strategy you used as a cult leader in the Nedokius game?

No no no. In that game, I was clinging to futility in that game. To be very honest, I don't remember much that happened in that game (aside from being a cult with PP and being yellow). However, I do know that I was just swinging away because (I thought, fairly reasonably that) my chances were shot.

I came into this game bare and burden free. I had no incentive like in Nedokius. Also, I'm NOT a cult this time.

And Petrija's inactivity wouldn't be much an issue if it were a cult that that had to recruit each night, as it could have been RNG'd, like a SK typically would be. Alternatively, if there was a second member, they could have been sending in the targets, as mods often make allowances for inactive teammates.

You don't think a cult leader would be totally top priority to replace? If you subscribe to that idea, anyone who came in before me better be a SK or Don.

Really, if the next day phase is going to be me trying to argue meta stuff, you've already made up your mind. I can only justify what I know to be true and try to explain why alternatives are less likely.

With you saying you weren't able to reach your target, and a particularly questionable role not able to reach their target in the write up, I'm sure you can see where there might be some concern.

And we really need to hear from Arrows about why he couldn't be reached.

I'm going to assume, from my point of view, that I was roleblocked last night.

It's important to note that I was told Derek wasn't interested and that I was just unsuccessful last night.

That's on Tonight? fML!

It's tomorrow and Wednesday too. Don't worry.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Team Rocket is greedy, but on the spectrum of villainy, they're (explicitly at least, ignoring bizarre fan speculation) not exactly "ruthless". I'd be more worried about Ganondorf than Team Rocket.

Not the real Ganondorf, mind you, the theoretical and non-existent recruiter.

If you're going to play a "Team Rocket is suspicious" card, you HAVE to logically suggest that Ganondorf, a far more potent villain, is less of a worry.

I don't know how you can link him being in the first game to him automatically being town here. He WAS scum once before.

Also, please notice that my alignment is green... Is it not a bit ballsy to presume that I'm not copying someone else's color? Every aspect of a FALSE claim has to be calculated. Townies just have to lay down the copypasta. I'm completely burning any legitimacy my role color had as evidence simply by pointing out I'm aware of it, but that's just one example.

[mjdgoldeneye]

For those that didn't see RAW, spoiler alert:

IF YA SA-MELLLLLLL...

[JackalBane]

For those that didn't see RAW, spoiler alert:

Spoiler
Meh. Feels like promotion for something else. Still, fun.

[Derek B]

@MLT: Notes are everyone's friends... results should go in there to save people wondering why you aren't delivering results. The lack of things happening with your ability makes me sad... not through fault of yours, just in general. There's either a record number of non-active abilities or a record a mount of inactivity. :(

Also, I'm surprised you could use an ability when Paws had stolen from you. Seems like most mods prefer to imagine that your ability is linked to the thing you no longer have, meaning you would typically be unable to do your thing that night.

@MJD: (and through clenched teeth) I posted the surviving roles in the game thread, which you are a part of and should have read. If you don't agree that what you were claiming fits EXACTLY with Ganondorf from that list, given that the opening write up explicitly states that roles from the previous game are in... then that's a failing from you.

In the anime especially (but also in the games) Team Rocket steal hundreds of Pokemon from people and genetically engineer the most dangerous Pokemon in existence (Mewtwo) after torturing/experimenting on Mew to help them take over the world. Throughout the anime the darker side of Team Rocket is shown, with huge global experiments that cause all kinds of bad things to happen. Jessie, James and Meowth are just the incompetent lackeys that chase the twerps, but they are not representative of the organisation as a whole.

Also, did you notice the apparantly bulletproof person in the write ups who is hiding behind what looks to be a lot of pokemon? I'd be happier to believe you were in a mini-game trying to steal their Pokemon than what looks to be a cult recruiter using ignorance of stuff in the game thread as an acceptable excuse for why you should be believed. If anyone else just done what you have done, you'd be jumping up and down on their head with 10,000 word monologues and MQM Drivaaaahs!

As for trying to throw suspicion on Ganondorf, he's in the opening write up raising a glass with the rest of the winning team (which includes my role BTW) before the man at the computer (something Ganondorf has probably never used in his life) sends in a team for the kill, a section I'm currently attributing to Tommy Cornell and the rest of the Syndicate but one that could equally apply to Giovanni who spends most of his time communicating over computers with lackeys.

.....

The worst thing is, I DON'T think you're a cult. I do think you've just been ignorant of events in this game and are trying to use it as a crutch, which bugs the hell out of me. Ignorance, lack of effort and a perceived apathy towards mafia games you are supposed to be playing (hint: The Two! :mad:) really annoy me. If you're gonna play, then do so properly. If you aren't, then don't sign up. I'd rather play a 20 person game with 20 active players than a 40 person game with 25 active players. It's why I've been so frustrated at this game thread for a while now, as players like DJ laying low were killing the game. And strangely now, he's one of the top posters... which just makes me more frustrated at the people who aren't posting now, which is almost every other living player.

[moon_lit_tears]

Probably coz I don't like giving much up st night time.

Besides Mr B I did give results. :p

[Derek B]

Probably coz I don't like giving much up st night time.

Besides Mr B I did give results. :p

That statement has nothing to do with what I just wrote. Way to completely gloss over what I did say though... what do you make of Paws using your ability at the same time you say you did?

[moon_lit_tears]

That statement has nothing to do with what I just wrote. Way to completely gloss over what I did say though... what do you make of Paws using your ability at the same time you say you did?


Sorry, it was like 6 something in the morning. I woke up to potty and checked. I posted that still have asleep. :p

I assume I could still use it. The results in my PM said So and so did nothing.

Believe me the lack of results I got made me upset too. I told Astil a countless times I hated him for giving me that result. :p

[Derek B]

Sorry, it was like 6 something in the morning. I woke up to potty and checked. I posted that still have asleep. :p

I assume I could still use it. The results in my PM said So and so did nothing.

Believe me the lack of results I got made me upset too. I told Astil a countless times I hated him for giving me that result. :p

Not really his fault. :p

........

Paws/MLT together worries me and has been playing on my mind for a while. I also can't shake the feeling that praguepride is scum for some reason, which bothers me too. And there are so many people who I've got nothing of any substance for down in my notes that I still feel this game is lacking in actual players.

Just looked over some notes too... MJD has contradictory statements where he says he isn't a Nintendo character (post 1021) and his claim of Giovanni (post 1032). I was so annoyed by his claim that I managed to completely miss that at the time, with the entire Pokemon franchise being one of Nintendo's biggest and most popular these days.

If I'm not dead by daybreak, I think it's about time to start raising some hell in this game. :cool:

[moon_lit_tears]

/shrug.

I have proven my role to you Mr B. If you don't believe me then I don't know what to think of that..

[moon_lit_tears]

Also, there is no Paws/MLT together. :p

Plus, I've given you something on me, and didn't Paws come up town? Or am I missing something?

[The Rock 13]

Sorry I haven't been around last few days, grats on the lynch.

Seen that my names popped up a few times, willing to answer any questions you like in the day.

[Derek B]

/shrug.

I have proven my role to you Mr B. If you don't believe me then I don't know what to think of that..

Also, there is no Paws/MLT together. :p

Plus, I've given you something on me, and didn't Paws come up town? Or am I missing something?

ShadowedFlames looked at Paws on Night 1 with a townie result. But nothing is 100% until death... and even then it can't be guaranteed.

Just one more question. Does a motorcycle make sense in terms of your ability and character? I'm trying to work out who you are but I can't.

Sorry I haven't been around last few days, grats on the lynch.

Seen that my names popped up a few times, willing to answer any questions you like in the day.

Rather than ask questions, pick a level of reveal about yourself and we can go from there. The higher on the list you are, the more you can be trusted. :)

+ Full claim (character, ability usage, etc)
+ Partial claim (character or ability or targets, etc)
+ Hints (games your from, consoles you appear on, your gaming debut, good guy or bad, etc)
+ Nothing

[moon_lit_tears]

Ability yes Not sure if it fits my character.

[Derek B]

Ability yes Not sure if it fits my character.

Then I'd suggest doing some research. I'd do it for you, but you haven't told me who you are yet. :p Everything is in the detail... and if you don't know from your role PM that a motorcycle wouldn't make sense then I'd be surprised if a quick wiki couldn't help. And if the answer is still no, then you should have some strong questions for Paws yourself. Perhaps along the lines of "what you claimed to steal from me makes no sense, why is this?" or "why is your role title a quote instead of a description like everyone else's?". Y'know... stuff like that.

Though if it does make sense, then perhaps we can start building up a pool of trusted townies and start taking this game by the scruff of the neck and win it. Gonna be at least 3 more Syndicate types out there + at least 1 SK and perhaps even a cult (I'll allow for the possibility), is time the town started having a foundation to build off instead of waiting for something to happen.

[moon_lit_tears]

None that I can find in the Wiki.

[moon_lit_tears]

DB, think of when I day killed you.

Remember that...That's a big hint for you to figure out where I'm from.

[Derek B]

DB, think of when I day killed you.

Remember that...That's a big hint for you to figure out where I'm from.

While I've played a number of games from that source material, I can't think of any villain that fits as using a motorcycle. Of course, I've not played everything so I may be missing something but with the current info to hand, I think you might want to take a look at what Paws has claimed.

[moon_lit_tears]

While I've played a number of games from that source material, I can't think of any villain that fits as using a motorcycle. Of course, I've not played everything so I may be missing something but with the current info to hand, I think you might want to take a look at what Paws has claimed.

I can narrow it done for you. Survived the first one. That should give you the exact role.

A motocycle does not fit in with my person.

So. Yeah I think Paws needs to give a full claim come day time. If I'm not here when that comes don't forget to get this from her.

[Derek B]

I can narrow it done for you. Survived the first one. That should give you the exact role.

A motocycle does not fit in with my person.

So. Yeah I think Paws needs to give a full claim come day time. If I'm not here when that comes don't forget to get this from her.

Actually... that's the one character who could actually have a motorcycle that I could think of. Paws might just be in the clear now.

[JackalBane]

Actually... that's the one character who could actually have a motorcycle that I could think of. Paws might just be in the clear now.
I can think of a fairly popular character who uses a motorcycle.

[Paws7297]

ShadowedFlames looked at Paws on Night 1 with a townie result. But nothing is 100% until death... and even then it can't be guaranteed.

Just one more question. Does a motorcycle make sense in terms of your ability and character? I'm trying to work out who you are but I can't.



Rather than ask questions, pick a level of reveal about yourself and we can go from there. The higher on the list you are, the more you can be trusted. :)

+ Full claim (character, ability usage, etc)
+ Partial claim (character or ability or targets, etc)
+ Hints (games your from, consoles you appear on, your gaming debut, good guy or bad, etc)
+ Nothing

I can narrow it done for you. Survived the first one. That should give you the exact role.

A motocycle does not fit in with my person.

So. Yeah I think Paws needs to give a full claim come day time. If I'm not here when that comes don't forget to get this from her.
1. I've already FULLY CLAIMED. Wth? READ much?
Actually... that's the one character who could actually have a motorcycle that I could think of. Paws might just be in the clear now.

2. AS I stated before. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY FROM MLT. I said this. It said I got a motorcycle in the panic. NOT necessarily from MLT.

[Paws7297]

ALSO, it's possible I Steal items related to my char/game. I do alot of stealing of motorcycles in my GTA games.

[mjdgoldeneye]

@MJD: (and through clenched teeth) I posted the surviving roles in the game thread, which you are a part of and should have read. If you don't agree that what you were claiming fits EXACTLY with Ganondorf from that list, given that the opening write up explicitly states that roles from the previous game are in... then that's a failing from you.

It still doesn't really matter. Not knowing something is only relevant if it changes what I think. What you hypothesize is your responsibility.

It's not like you said I was Ganondorf and I just ignored it. When I figured out what you thought, I cleared things up.

In the anime especially (but also in the games) Team Rocket steal hundreds of Pokemon from people and genetically engineer the most dangerous Pokemon in existence (Mewtwo) after torturing/experimenting on Mew to help them take over the world. Throughout the anime the darker side of Team Rocket is shown, with huge global experiments that cause all kinds of bad things to happen. Jessie, James and Meowth are just the incompetent lackeys that chase the twerps, but they are not representative of the organisation as a whole.

This game isn't about the anime, though. Jesse and James were only in Pokemon Yellow (which was created to exploit the popularity of the anime). In the game, Team Rocket does weird things like take over a radio tower to make Magikarp evolve (somehow)... It's mostly generic mustache twirling.

Also, did you notice the apparantly bulletproof person in the write ups who is hiding behind what looks to be a lot of pokemon? I'd be happier to believe you were in a mini-game trying to steal their Pokemon than what looks to be a cult recruiter using ignorance of stuff in the game thread as an acceptable excuse for why you should be believed. If anyone else just done what you have done, you'd be jumping up and down on their head with 10,000 word monologues and MQM Drivaaaahs!

I've done nothing. I randomly replaced someone halfway through the game and was immediately questioned. I joined because, if I didn't, the game would presumably continue to suffer from crippling inactivity. I never intended on reading through and analyzing 6 days of activity.

I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I'm just answering your questions and demands. If you hadn't asked anything of me, I wouldn't have said anything. You don't poke a cactus and complain when your finger starts bleeding, do you?

I have no mini-game. If I did, wouldn't it make sense that the Pokemon-haver would be a good guy? (Therefore a bad guy to us?) If I'm in Team Rocket and haven't been counter claimed, there very likely isn't ANOTHER Pokemon crime organization out there. If there was, I'd know about them as part of my minigame, know they were functionally town, and therefore not randomly claim!

As for trying to throw suspicion on Ganondorf, he's in the opening write up raising a glass with the rest of the winning team (which includes my role BTW) before the man at the computer (something Ganondorf has probably never used in his life) sends in a team for the kill, a section I'm currently attributing to Tommy Cornell and the rest of the Syndicate but one that could equally apply to Giovanni who spends most of his time communicating over computers with lackeys.

The Ganondorf thing was rhetorical. I'd bet on Ganondorf being (at least initially) as townie as you (at least initially). :p

Also, I don't recall Giovanni brooding over a computer in any of the games I've played. Standing pointlessly behind a conference table, yes, but sending in orders via computer? No...

The worst thing is, I DON'T think you're a cult. I do think you've just been ignorant of events in this game and are trying to use it as a crutch, which bugs the hell out of me. Ignorance, lack of effort and a perceived apathy towards mafia games you are supposed to be playing (hint: The Two! :mad:) really annoy me. If you're gonna play, then do so properly. If you aren't, then don't sign up. I'd rather play a 20 person game with 20 active players than a 40 person game with 25 active players. It's why I've been so frustrated at this game thread for a while now, as players like DJ laying low were killing the game. And strangely now, he's one of the top posters... which just makes me more frustrated at the people who aren't posting now, which is almost every other living player.

Did you forget I'm a replacement? I signed up and died nearly immediately. I didn't continue following. I didn't sign up as a replacement, Astil just PM'd me and asked if I would like to help out. There was a great need for that.

I believe my first post was requesting a primer on events thus far. I'm not being lazy, I'm simply doing all I can afford to do. I'm a full-time college student with dozens of other interests. I'm not applying for a job here... :p

I'm sorry regardless. I am in a position to help (if I can succeed for a change). Ideally, petrija would have simply played and we wouldn't be in this situation.

Just looked over some notes too... MJD has contradictory statements where he says he isn't a Nintendo character (post 1021) and his claim of Giovanni (post 1032). I was so annoyed by his claim that I managed to completely miss that at the time, with the entire Pokemon franchise being one of Nintendo's biggest and most popular these days.

If I'm not dead by daybreak, I think it's about time to start raising some hell in this game. :cool:

It was an honest mistake. It's not like I was shoehorned into claiming Giovanni. I had no reason to backpedal without provocation in the time between then and when I claimed... :p

For some reason, I was thinking of There Will Be Brawl and the people in that and my brain came to the conclusion that I wasn't Nintendo (despite, I think, Pokemon Trainer being in that and tons of Pokemon being in the Brawl game).

That mistake is only relevant if it somehow dictates my original claim being blocked or something. Look between that post and my claim and tell me if anything in there was even vaguely revealing...

I'm sorry, Derek, but you take this game too seriously. That's coming from ME. YOU try to wrestle with sorting a linked list in a language you never used before, catch up in a mafia game you missed half of, read theology, make a finite state machine, AND do a physics lab write up mostly simultaneously.

[moon_lit_tears]

So...I wikid my char and no mention of one. Not sure what to think.

I think I trust Paws. Not so sure bout Derek.

[Derek B]

1. I've already FULLY CLAIMED. Wth? READ much?


2. AS I stated before. IT WASN'T NECESSARILY FROM MLT. I said this. It said I got a motorcycle in the panic. NOT necessarily from MLT.

ALSO, it's possible I Steal items related to my char/game. I do alot of stealing of motorcycles in my GTA games.

Then clear up all your night actions and stop being vague and confusing. What panic? It was a night skip, you either sent in an ability to do something before it happened (as ShadowedFlames did) or you didn't in which case you did nothing (as I did). From what you wrote, you stole from MLT on Night 3 and then tracked Jman "the next night" which would be Night 4. If it was any later than that then you tracked someone who had already confessed to their character and ability (all townie in this case) OR you are trying to say that you randomly did stuff in N3 that you had no control over.

If you are town and want to win, be clear and state the facts as the facts. That way the town can build off of players that are closest to being confirmed townies, which can help us all win.

It still doesn't really matter. Not knowing something is only relevant if it changes what I think. What you hypothesize is your responsibility.

It's not like you said I was Ganondorf and I just ignored it. When I figured out what you thought, I cleared things up.



This game isn't about the anime, though. Jesse and James were only in Pokemon Yellow (which was created to exploit the popularity of the anime). In the game, Team Rocket does weird things like take over a radio tower to make Magikarp evolve (somehow)... It's mostly generic mustache twirling.



I've done nothing. I randomly replaced someone halfway through the game and was immediately questioned. I joined because, if I didn't, the game would presumably continue to suffer from crippling inactivity. I never intended on reading through and analyzing 6 days of activity.

I'm not "hiding" behind anything. I'm just answering your questions and demands. If you hadn't asked anything of me, I wouldn't have said anything. You don't poke a cactus and complain when your finger starts bleeding, do you?

I have no mini-game. If I did, wouldn't it make sense that the Pokemon-haver would be a good guy? (Therefore a bad guy to us?) If I'm in Team Rocket and haven't been counter claimed, there very likely isn't ANOTHER Pokemon crime organization out there. If there was, I'd know about them as part of my minigame, know they were functionally town, and therefore not randomly claim!



The Ganondorf thing was rhetorical. I'd bet on Ganondorf being (at least initially) as townie as you (at least initially). :p

Also, I don't recall Giovanni brooding over a computer in any of the games I've played. Standing pointlessly behind a conference table, yes, but sending in orders via computer? No...



Did you forget I'm a replacement? I signed up and died nearly immediately. I didn't continue following. I didn't sign up as a replacement, Astil just PM'd me and asked if I would like to help out. There was a great need for that.

I believe my first post was requesting a primer on events thus far. I'm not being lazy, I'm simply doing all I can afford to do. I'm a full-time college student with dozens of other interests. I'm not applying for a job here... :p

I'm sorry regardless. I am in a position to help (if I can succeed for a change). Ideally, petrija would have simply played and we wouldn't be in this situation.



It was an honest mistake. It's not like I was shoehorned into claiming Giovanni. I had no reason to backpedal without provocation in the time between then and when I claimed... :p

For some reason, I was thinking of There Will Be Brawl and the people in that and my brain came to the conclusion that I wasn't Nintendo (despite, I think, Pokemon Trainer being in that and tons of Pokemon being in the Brawl game).

That mistake is only relevant if it somehow dictates my original claim being blocked or something. Look between that post and my claim and tell me if anything in there was even vaguely revealing...

I'm sorry, Derek, but you take this game too seriously. That's coming from ME. YOU try to wrestle with sorting a linked list in a language you never used before, catch up in a mafia game you missed half of, read theology, make a finite state machine, AND do a physics lab write up mostly simultaneously.

Anything I commit to, I take "seriously". Meaning I'll do what I can to get the most out of it, which means actively taking part and doing what I can to win.

I don't half-ass things I care enough about to put some effort into. And I hate people who sign up to play a game then don't do anything. Not just this mafia game, but any mafia game. If you (generic person called "you") don't have the time to play then I don't know why you bother to sign up. You did sign up, presumably without the foreknowledge of how long you'd live so you made a commitment, as did everyone else. Coming in as a replacement carries the same commitment, which is why I've never subbed into a game. If I can't do it right, I don't do it at all.

As for you, you make so many mistakes and yet jump up and down on people for making mistakes in other threads. Sometimes things are fine for you to say or do, but you don't let others do it. Double standards annoy me. So when you say one thing is the case and use that to pressure people, then get on your high horse at other people about doing it to you, then I get annoyed with you. You do it more than anyone else does and it makes things worse for the town almost every town. Sometimes I think it's deliberate (more often when you're sucm and it's a good thing to do) but when you are town you seem to step on your own toes... and our playstyles have always clashed because you've never changed that.

And I know I get brash, arrogant and really, really annoying at times... but unless I'm actually trying to obfuscate things I make few mistakes with my communications and transfer of info. I question aggressively because I want answers and it usually works, which usually helps others. I'm never perfect, not by a long way, but I always try. And trying is important. Without people trying to do anything, it's not a mafia game, it's a mini-roleplaying game... which would be fine if we were actually playing a roleplaying game but it isn't what we all signed up for.

In short... I don't think people care about mafia games any more and are just signing up through sheer force of momentum from playing previous games.

So...I wikid my char and no mention of one. Not sure what to think.

I think I trust Paws. Not so sure bout Derek.

Here's my list of trusted players who are still alive, in alphabetical order.

djthefunkchris
Jman2k3
moon_lit_tears
praguepride
Tha Black Phenom

I have inclinations towards some others like Paws (potentially) and gonvick (through his play though nothing else) but it's not a big list. And I'm not 100% sold on anyone beyond Jman, which worries me as much as anything since he's been nothing more than a vote since he used his ability and is the type of player who be easily be swayed by someone with a silver tongue. Or a bronze one for that matter...

Anywho, I didn't mean for this post to go on as long as it has. Frustrations are bubbling out a lot more than I really want them to and as ever they boil at the people I feel should know better, who are generally those who I think ARE better but aren't showing it. Not gonna post again tonight unless it's a simple, short post... and if anyone replies I'm not gonna retort, even if there's bait in there. Might not even be deliberate if it's there, but I'll probably see it as such. Apologies in advance.

[mjdgoldeneye]

As for you, you make so many mistakes and yet jump up and down on people for making mistakes in other threads. Sometimes things are fine for you to say or do, but you don't let others do it. Double standards annoy me. So when you say one thing is the case and use that to pressure people, then get on your high horse at other people about doing it to you, then I get annoyed with you. You do it more than anyone else does and it makes things worse for the town almost every town. Sometimes I think it's deliberate (more often when you're sucm and it's a good thing to do) but when you are town you seem to step on your own toes... and our playstyles have always clashed because you've never changed that.

There is no double standard. I just don't see things as black and white. Conditions change. Contexts change. I have few golden rules. I don't take something that happened here and bring it over there without allowing for the differences between the situations.

This game was literally on the edge of stagnation, so I joined. Frankly, nothing you've called me on missing has even mattered. You just take my lack of understanding as an inherent issue.

It's just a game. I'm here because the fact of the matter is that me being here is better than no one being here. I hope you can't disagree with that.

The request to join up went out to me and Gonvick. We've since both joined. It appears that there's still people out there who are needlessly quiet.

Beggars can't be choosers. Yea, the original players should have played as they said they would. But, would you rather the game just stop on principle? I wouldn't and I don't think Astil would like that either. I'm here as a favor to the spirit of the game. But, I can only do as much as my time budget allows.

I'm not defending ignorance, as I am very sorry about it. It's just that I can only do so much and it's not like there are other replacements out their chomping at the bit.

I know you're focused on the situation in general, but I have to apologize in the traditional sense for my situation and why I joined. I am trying. I'm also trying to not fail school at the same time... :p (It makes my efforts here look really really meager.) I'd be ok with, in turn, being replaced if it ever became prudent.

And I know I get brash, arrogant and really, really annoying at times... but unless I'm actually trying to obfuscate things I make few mistakes with my communications and transfer of info. I question aggressively because I want answers and it usually works, which usually helps others. I'm never perfect, not by a long way, but I always try. And trying is important. Without people trying to do anything, it's not a mafia game, it's a mini-roleplaying game... which would be fine if we were actually playing a roleplaying game but it isn't what we all signed up for.

In short... I don't think people care about mafia games any more and are just signing up through sheer force of momentum from playing previous games.

It's worth noting that, in my case, had I not died, I'd have been right here playing. I still care. I've had some good games recently.

Now, for the matters at hand, if I'm not killed tonight, and I succeed, I am willing to tell you my recruit just so you can lynch them to prove who I am. That's not a good idea (you still wouldn't know if TR was with you, you'd waste the time lynching a townie), but I'm willing to do it.

I don't know what that gesture is supposed to say, but I can only feasibly sacrifice so much to show that I'm on the straight-and-narrow. (The metaphorical straight-and-narrow... We are villains after all...)

[Derek B]

/snip/

It's worth noting that, in my case, had I not died, I'd have been right here playing. I still care. I've had some good games recently.

Now, for the matters at hand, if I'm not killed tonight, and I succeed, I am willing to tell you my recruit just so you can lynch them to prove who I am. That's not a good idea (you still wouldn't know if TR was with you, you'd waste the time lynching a townie), but I'm willing to do it.

I don't know what that gesture is supposed to say, but I can only feasibly sacrifice so much to show that I'm on the straight-and-narrow. (The metaphorical straight-and-narrow... We are villains after all...)

What's the opposite of straight and narrow? Something that can't be made to sounds dirty? :p

Pretty much any worries about you, whether townie or scum, can be taken care of by you being killed. Not ideal for activity, but I reckon I'm dead. In fact, I think it's posts from players like you and MLT that are keeping me alive, since by saying you don't trust me you're giving scum less incentive to kill me and hope that I can be lynched. Which, obviously I can be. And it'll be easy too because instead of vote stealing from an active player I'll be off doing it to an inactive type (again) in order to make it possible to lynch someone.

I'm trying to find a non-awkward way of asking you about your win condition... but I can't because of you being a replacement and having prior knowledge from your old role. Best I can come up with is... does the Team Rocket group have their own way of winning the game?

And a quick hypothetical too while I'm here... it looks like there are Pokemon in the write ups, do you think that's a scummy (as in, bad for town) type person? Or a good for town type person? And do you think there might be some kind of interactio between your role and theirs? I realise you probably can't answer any of these with more than speculation, but it's my actual last post of the night since I'm about to head to bed. 1am seems to be bedtime for me these days, which is probably a good thing.

[mjdgoldeneye]

What's the opposite of straight and narrow? Something that can't be made to sounds dirty? :p

Pretty much any worries about you, whether townie or scum, can be taken care of by you being killed. Not ideal for activity, but I reckon I'm dead. In fact, I think it's posts from players like you and MLT that are keeping me alive, since by saying you don't trust me you're giving scum less incentive to kill me and hope that I can be lynched. Which, obviously I can be. And it'll be easy too because instead of vote stealing from an active player I'll be off doing it to an inactive type (again) in order to make it possible to lynch someone.

Things like this make me not want to share the names of my recruits. If I reveal any successful recruits, there's a decent chance that, if the majority have the same sentiments as you, we'll all be purged.

I'm trying to find a non-awkward way of asking you about your win condition... but I can't because of you being a replacement and having prior knowledge from your old role. Best I can come up with is... does the Team Rocket group have their own way of winning the game?

I have the exact same win condition as my original role. My color and alignment just distinguishes me as mason.

And a quick hypothetical too while I'm here... it looks like there are Pokemon in the write ups, do you think that's a scummy (as in, bad for town) type person? Or a good for town type person? And do you think there might be some kind of interactio between your role and theirs? I realise you probably can't answer any of these with more than speculation, but it's my actual last post of the night since I'm about to head to bed. 1am seems to be bedtime for me these days, which is probably a good thing.

To be honest, unless I missed something, I'm thinking those might actually be Pikmin. Pokemon don't tend to swarm... :p (Though, tell that to that one Hiker who keeps calling me to ramble about Dunsparce...)

If they're Pokemon, I'd bet they were enemies of the general villain population. There are only a select few "villains" in Pokemon, and I don't think they'd be in here with me without me knowing about them. The best I can guess would be Blue/Gary if they aren't enemies to us.

If they're a good guy, it's probably Red/Ash/Pokemon Trainer from Brawl.

However, I don't think they're Pokemon because trainers (in the games) can't have more than 6 with them at a time. They're not written with appropriate flavor.

Either way, my PM barely speaks of Pokemon. It says I spent years as leader of Team Rocket and that Team Rocket dealt in illegal Pokemon business. My efforts here are not even tinged with relevance to Pokemon, though.

I would figure that there would at least be subtle hints if there even were other Pokemon roles in the game (regardless of my relation to them). However, there is not.

[praguepride]

derek, if it helps keep you alive I think you are scum as well. Your character was recruited last game, but now cant be recruited?

Scuuuuuuuuuuuum ;)

[Astil]

Night Phase is Over

Sorry. Emergency. No one got hurt. All is well now.

[djthefunkchris]

Night Phase is Over

Sorry. Emergency. No one got hurt. All is well now.

Sorry to here you were in an emergency. Glad to here no one got hurt!

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Night 8

He called them in, telling them what to do. When he was satisfied with what would happened, he sat. His luck would have to change, and soon. Arrows sighed, never expecting it to be this difficult. Luckily for him he didn't see the attacker, or the blade. As Arrows fell, the attacked lept away.

***

He was doing what he could to make sure evil prevailed. That's what Gabbo did best. However, with all his good intentions he couldn't see the attack coming.

***

He was bored again, looking for a fight. This man was inside, but that mattered little. He kicked down the door.

Click-click.

Jaded had little time to think.

BOOM.

***

He hoped on his motorcycle and pulled down his shades. With a rev he started off away from his target. It is too bad Moon_lit_tears didn't see the bigger man. He clotheslined him off the bike. Picking up the body, he tossed it, just to be sure.

***

He moved in to his target and took out a pistol. A simple pull and the gun was ready. He moved in behind the rock 13.

Bang!

He would have his revenge.

***

Arrows is dead. He was Tommy Cornell, Syndicate Aligned Best Wrestler in the World
the rock 13 is dead. John Anderson, Syndicate Aligned Machine
Moon_lit_tears is dead. She was Cloud Strife. Axis of Eviltown Aligned SOLDIER
Jaded is dead. He was Gannondorf, Axis of Eviltown Bored Warlock
Gabbo is dead. He was Evil Magistrate, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Steel Samurai Arch Nemesis

[Tha Black Phenom]

Arrows is dead. He was Tommy Cornell, Syndicate Aligned Best Wrestler in the World

Called it.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 9. With 16 remaining it is 9 for majority. You have until 1:00 AM EST Friday February 18th to reach majority.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I didn't die! My target didn't die!

No PM yet, but I'm hoping for the best.

[moon_lit_tears]

So I had a busy day that was ca-easy...then I die. Can this get worse?

[Astil]

All PMs should be out.

Sleep. Front page tomm. Someone yell at me tomm to do it.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yea, failed again. I targeted trypio.

I give up. I'll be here if you need me. :(

[Jaded]

Bah, that sucks.

Good luck Eviltown!

[Tha Black Phenom]

Yea, failed again. I targeted trypio.

I give up. I'll be here if you need me. :(

I don't use memes often, if at all, but...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_VSrnkiWaqSQ/TMdBQsCZScI/AAAAAAAAAZI/r7M0LAXkxW0/s1600/forever+alone+face.png

[JackalBane]

Funny to find that MLT was completely lying about not having a motorcycle.

[Derek B]

Called it.

That's nice. You gonna start voting on anyone in this game or should the town assume you're deadweight?

@MJD, I bet you can recruit TBP. Just feels right given the way recruitments worked in the last game for the Axis Of Evil.

Funny to find that MLT was completely lying about not having a motorcycle.

In MLT's defense, I know from talk in the Final Fantasy Mafia game that she's never played FF7 before and the motorcycle is only mentioned in passing on Cloud's Final Fantasy wiki page (which I just looked up), not as something he would always have. Does make me wonder about the wording of the PM, but that's not really important now.

...........

I targetted Arrows last night with the intent of stealing his vote since he wasn't using it anyways, that obviously failed. So today we're going to need to push hard for a lynch if it's going to go through.

VOTE: d_w_w

You're one of the best players I have little information on. You've hinted but in such a way that it's so vague you could be claiming anything. Pick a level, the higher the better.

+ Full Claim
+ Partial Claim (abilities or character)
+ Strong Hints
+ Weak Hints (where you are now)
+ Nothing (IE: lynch me now :p)

My next person to poke will be trypio, for a variety of reasons. Getting in before the questions come your way is probably a good idea. ;)

[Waghlon]

Bandwagoning.

Vote: d_w_w

[Derek B]

Bandwagoning.

Vote: d_w_w

That's the fifth note I have on you.... all of them are votes. Got anything you want to share with the group? Alcohol addiction? Chewing gum? Humourous stories? Roleclaims/hints?

[praguepride]

5 kills!?!? :eek:

Definite silver lining that 2 hit scum and were most likely vigs or something, but that still leaves 3 townie deaths....

Here's the breakdown


Video Game Mafia 2

Night 8

He called them in, telling them what to do. When he was satisfied with what would happened, he sat. His luck would have to change, and soon. Arrows sighed, never expecting it to be this difficult. Luckily for him he didn't see the attacker, or the blade. As Arrows fell, the attacked lept away.


Blade Killer. Last seen killing D-mack. So that's a kill N6 and N8? Probably a vig, I hope...

***

He was doing what he could to make sure evil prevailed. That's what Gabbo did best. However, with all his good intentions he couldn't see the attack coming.

Sounds like speedy...

***

He was bored again, looking for a fight. This man was inside, but that mattered little. He kicked down the door.

Click-click.

Jaded had little time to think.

BOOM.

At first I thought this was a bomb, but bombs tick. As I think about it, sounds like a shotgun being ****ed and then BOOM headshot. So we have a new killer

***

He hoped on his motorcycle and pulled down his shades. With a rev he started off away from his target. It is too bad Moon_lit_tears didn't see the bigger man. He clotheslined him off the bike. Picking up the body, he tossed it, just to be sure.


Sounds like the Syndicate kill, probably one of the machines with Sam and Wolf out of the picture.

***

He moved in to his target and took out a pistol. A simple pull and the gun was ready. He moved in behind the rock 13.

Bang!

He would have his revenge.

And a regular pistol killer. Again, a new kill type.




***

Arrows is dead. He was Tommy Cornell, Syndicate Aligned Best Wrestler in the World
the rock 13 is dead. John Anderson, Syndicate Aligned Machine
Moon_lit_tears is dead. She was Cloud Strife. Axis of Eviltown Aligned SOLDIER
Jaded is dead. He was Gannondorf, Axis of Eviltown Bored Warlock
Gabbo is dead. He was Evil Magistrate, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Steel Samurai Arch Nemesis




So the grand total list is:
Wrestlers
Speedy
Fire Breather
Shotgun Killer
Blade Killer
Pistol Killer

I'm thinking that Fire Breather and Blade Killer are the same, the Tales games are fantasy with a splash of Steam Punk sometimes, but all in all, lots of swords.


I also have a theory about who the speedy killer is, but I need to do some more research today...

/trucks off to the library

[praguepride]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Persia:_The_Sands_of_Time



The Dagger also allows the Prince to slow down time, and freeze his enemies, using it as a main-gauche to attack them directly.


Boom goes the dynamite.

Speedy = The Prince. He can slow down time and freeze time, hence why his attackers never see him coming.


Discuss.

[Derek B]

5 kills!?!? :eek:

Definite silver lining that 2 hit scum and were most likely vigs or something, but that still leaves 3 townie deaths....

Here's the breakdown







So the grand total list is:
Wrestlers
Speedy
Fire Breather
Shotgun Killer
Blade Killer
Pistol Killer

I'm thinking that Fire Breather and Blade Killer are the same, the Tales games are fantasy with a splash of Steam Punk sometimes, but all in all, lots of swords.


I also have a theory about who the speedy killer is, but I need to do some more research today...

/trucks off to the library

I disagree with your analysis of the kills from last night a little. I think the BOOM killer is actually a PGO, the throw killer may very well be the Syndicate's but I don't know who that is since no-one in the group was ever a power man... except maybe American Buffalo, I think he was there. Might need to go research that, temporary members are sadly not locked in my brain as they should be. Otherwise Brent Hill is the only one left and he's not a big guy capable of picking people up like that killer has been doing.

Otherwise I agree with what you've said there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prince_of_Persia:_The_Sands_of_Time




Boom goes the dynamite.

Speedy = The Prince. He can slow down time and freeze time, hence why his attackers never see him coming.


Discuss.

I can get behind that line of thinking. Heading out now, but chase that lead while I'm gone. :)

[Waghlon]

That's the fifth note I have on you.... all of them are votes. Got anything you want to share with the group? Alcohol addiction? Chewing gum? Humourous stories? Roleclaims/hints?


I walk softly and sleep tightly... With a shotgun. That should double as a full roleclaim really.

[Derek B]

I walk softly and sleep tightly... With a shotgun. That should double as a full roleclaim really.

If that's a character hint, I don't get it. I get the ability hint. A line of thought for you... do you think you are likely to be of much more use ability wise in this game? If not, then could you save me some brain power on working out who you are? :)

[praguepride]

If that's a character hint, I don't get it. I get the ability hint. A line of thought for you... do you think you are likely to be of much more use ability wise in this game? If not, then could you save me some brain power on working out who you are? :)


Derek, Im surprised. Your usually such a masterful player, the info is in the threads.

Reread day 1, chief ;)

[djthefunkchris]

Yea, failed again. I targeted trypio.

I give up. I'll be here if you need me. :(

This frustrated me somewhat, I can only imagine how you feel.

How many more scum are there? Thoughts anyone?

I was thinking we should be close.

I have to work late today, probably won't get home till tonight, so might miss alot of the more active parts.

[Derek B]

Derek, Im surprised. Your usually such a masterful player, the info is in the threads.

Reread day 1, chief ;)

Going back to re-read that shortly. Just wondering what people make of these two instances from the write ups. I've attributed them to Pokemon references involving a bulletproof (or perhaps untargettable) role... I think it was MJD who suggested they might be Pikmin. I don't know anything about Pikmin and have obvious bias towards believing a Pokemon role (since I modded a Pokemon game and all), so I was just wanting to know what others think in terms of town/scum and suchlike.

NIGHT 4

He moved to take this guy down, but something else got in his way. A punch took care of him, but now a small one. A stomp on that, but now a huge one. He hoisted the huge one up, and slammed it down.

And now a bee! Oh forget this...

*************

NIGHT 7

He moved in on where he thought his target would be. Odd. A bunch of creatures. He quickly went through them, but more kept coming in. Frustrated he left.

[JackalBane]

Actually, reading that Night 4 section with Pikmin in mind makes a lot more sense.

[trypio]

+ Full Claim
+ Partial Claim (abilities or character)
+ Strong Hints
+ Weak Hints (where you are now)
+ Nothing (IE: lynch me now :p)

My next person to poke will be trypio, for a variety of reasons. Getting in before the questions come your way is probably a good idea. ;)

Aight...

I am Darth Sion, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Decomposing Lord Of Pain.

I am from SW:KOTOR 2. I have an additional win condition. I need to find and kill Kreia. Did some research and apparently Kreia used to be a sith lord herself. She was Sion's mentor and was known as Darth Traya before she left the Dark Side.

In-game I know that she is individually aligned. She probably wins by surviving the game, since she's neither good, nor bad. It might be possible that she can only be killed by me at night, but I'm not sure about that.

Every night I target someone. When I find her, she dies and I become a vanilla townie. No luck finding her yet as you can see...

[Tha Black Phenom]

That's nice. You gonna start voting on anyone in this game or should the town assume you're deadweight?

@MJD, I bet you can recruit TBP. Just feels right given the way recruitments worked in the last game for the Axis Of Evil.

I wouldn't be deadweight if those votes were flying around like paper airplanes. Can't forget how fast the Shape lynch went through.


...and please don't. Not yet. Just not yet. :o

[praguepride]

Hmmmm


[b]vote: TBP[/]

Are you really going to claim vanilla or do you want to talk about your time powers yet?

"Also scummy mini games are scummy"
- Ministry of Redundancy Department

[praguepride]

stupid broken link....

vote: thablackphenom

[Derek B]

Derek, Im surprised. Your usually such a masterful player, the info is in the threads.

Reread day 1, chief ;)

Is it a name I've mentioned at some point? Seems to be about the only one I can think of that fits....

[d_w_w]

Okay, no reason for me not to go all in.

And, I guess I can share my bit of information: there is some funny business going on with targeting in this game.

I am Kamek, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Caretaker of Baby Bowsers.

My PM states that Bowser asked me to find and take care of Bowser Jr. Each night, I was (but, am no longer) able to go out and see if another player was Bowser Jr. I don't know what would have happened if I found them. I do know that none of my actions, whether sent in by me or Sazz, appear to show in the write-ups.

I joined the game late. I asked Astil and he gave me the list of folks that Sazzita targeted - but it's clear that Sazz was fairly inactive.

When I joined the game, I read through the thread and picked up on Destiny's hints (the "I'm the saddest of all that Bowser died" stuff). Seeing that he turned up as Bowser Jr., I kind of wonder if he knew that I was looking for him and was trying to leave me a breadtrial.

Astil sent me my replacement PM pretty close to the N4 deadline, so I didn't send in anything that night. On night 5, I targeted Destiny. My result said that I had not reached Bowser Jr... which kind of surprised me.

At this point, I figured Destiny was just posting weird Destiny-like stuff and went back to the drawing board to try to figure out who Bowser Jr. was.

On night 6, I tried MNN (after Bowser died, he made some throw away comment about it being a shame). On night 7, I tried MH, mostly as a random selection from the list of people that I didn't have a character hint for. I know something about one of these two, but it wasn't necessary for me to share this information then (and I'm not sure it is sensible to do so now, either).

When Destiny died on N7, I was sent a PM saying that I would no longer be going out at night.

So, I'm just a vote now.

[d_w_w]

Is it a name I've mentioned at some point? Seems to be about the only one I can think of that fits....

I don't know the answer to this, but I think you should re-read PP's response.

Also, Derek - any particular reason why you've backed off of DJ?

[d_w_w]

I wouldn't be deadweight if those votes were flying around like paper airplanes. Can't forget how fast the Shape lynch went through.


...and please don't. Not yet. Just not yet. :o

Why are you afraid of being recruited by MJD?

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm not afraid, son. Matter of fact... don't think it would make a difference, actually.

Hmmmm


[b]vote: TBP[/]

Are you really going to claim vanilla or do you want to talk about your time powers yet?

"Also scummy mini games are scummy"
- Ministry of Redundancy Department

I'll choose to plead the fifth.

Time powers? That's a new one.

[gonvick]

Since Plan A was conveniently taken care of by the Vesperia killer, I suppose I'll have to come up with a Plan B.

Vote: MichiganHero

+ Full Claim
+ Partial Claim
+ Strong Hints
+ Weak Hints
+ Nothing

Pick one and share.

[praguepride]

Seriously? You are the Prince of Persia and dont have time powers.

If I hadnt just voted for you I would drop a vote on you.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Why are you going back on this? Look, believe what you wanna believe but this stubbornness is what made y'all waste time last time. So easy to see back then how guys like Arrows took advantage of the situation. But yeah, suit yourself holmes.

[Derek B]

I don't know the answer to this, but I think you should re-read PP's response.

Also, Derek - any particular reason why you've backed off of DJ?

Herpa derpa derp... got it now. :p

As for DJ, his claim fits with something I saw in the write ups which ties in with a role from a previous game AND something I know the mod loves. It fits so neatly that I'm happy with him, though since you draw attention to it, I know I can be wrong. But for now, I trust him.

[gonvick]

Astil sent me my replacement PM pretty close to the N4 deadline, so I didn't send in anything that night. On night 5, I targeted Destiny. My result said that I had not reached Bowser Jr... which kind of surprised me.

At this point, I figured Destiny was just posting weird Destiny-like stuff and went back to the drawing board to try to figure out who Bowser Jr. was.

On night 6, I tried MNN (after Bowser died, he made some throw away comment about it being a shame). On night 7, I tried MH, mostly as a random selection from the list of people that I didn't have a character hint for. I know something about one of these two, but it wasn't necessary for me to share this information then (and I'm not sure it is sensible to do so now, either).

Was the wording of your result the same for all three targets?

[JackalBane]

Why are you going back on this? Look, believe what you wanna believe but this stubbornness is what made y'all waste time last time. So easy to see back then how guys like Arrows took advantage of the situation. But yeah, suit yourself holmes.
I agree with prague. Having a Prince of Persia with not even a half-way one-shot time power is one of the more suspicious things of late.

I also find d_w_w's role convenient considering both Bowsers are down and, as far as I know, no one else can corroborate his claim.

Verrry interesting.

[d_w_w]

Was the wording of your result the same for all three targets?

No. One was distinctly different.

[d_w_w]

No. One was distinctly different.

That difference is directly related to me knowing something about one of them.

[d_w_w]

I agree with prague. Having a Prince of Persia with not even a half-way one-shot time power is one of the more suspicious things of late.

I also find d_w_w's role convenient considering both Bowsers are down and, as far as I know, no one else can corroborate his claim.

Verrry interesting.

It is convenient, but sometimes that's how the chips fall.

As it is, I can't prove my character, except by dying. I'm obviously against this.

But I am in favor of someone hanging today, so if it turns out that my admittedly uncorroboratable story puts me at the top of the list, then so be it.

Personally, I'm in favor of trying to get the quiet folks to participate in the thread, by votes if necessary.

In terms of the quiet folks - just look no further than the recently dead scum of Shape, Arrows, and The Rock 13. Given our recent track record, there has been no reason for them to participate and/or respond to things in the thread.

Given the death of active posters like Gabbo and MLT, there's no real reason for them to assume that we're going to get any more active.

It sucks for the game, but it's simply true: being quiet, as scum, in a game with poor activity, is a reasonable strategy.

[Derek B]

Shortly I'm going to be watching the recent TNA PPV so I'm just posting to say that I'm comfortable voting on TBP or DWW. We have time just now though, so I'm also interested in hearing what others think are potentially good roads of inquiry. Will obviously be around to vote, barring internet disasters.

[trypio]

Shortly I'm going to be watching the recent TNA PPV so I'm just posting to say that I'm comfortable voting on TBP or DWW. We have time just now though, so I'm also interested in hearing what others think are potentially good roads of inquiry. Will obviously be around to vote, barring internet disasters.

How about midnight frickin' nick?

[Derek B]

How about midnight frickin' nick?

He was on my list of people that I wanted to hear from that I made a while back. Can't remember if it was in the last night phase or the one before it as I didn't actually note it down, but I know nothing about him.

I should probably mention I've had a few strong beers just now... I don't have many chances/reasons to drink so I tend to get a little drunk quite easily. PPV should be a fun one to watch, just hope The Two gets back soon. And since I'm mentioning him, I should once again say that I wish he was more active... maybe I should drop a vote on him to kick his ass into gear...

[gonvick]

That difference is directly related to me knowing something about one of them.

So the result when you targeted Destiny was exactly the same as when you targeted one of the others? That seems rather odd. The obvious explanation seems kind of coincidental, especially if what you know is what I think you know.

Since you were somewhat vague about it, who did Sazzita target, and were any results worded the same way as yours?

[bak42]

Aight...

I am Darth Sion, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Decomposing Lord Of Pain.

I am from SW:KOTOR 2. I have an additional win condition. I need to find and kill Kreia. Did some research and apparently Kreia used to be a sith lord herself. She was Sion's mentor and was known as Darth Traya before she left the Dark Side.

In-game I know that she is individually aligned. She probably wins by surviving the game, since she's neither good, nor bad. It might be possible that she can only be killed by me at night, but I'm not sure about that.

Every night I target someone. When I find her, she dies and I become a vanilla townie. No luck finding her yet as you can see...

Okay, no reason for me not to go all in.

And, I guess I can share my bit of information: there is some funny business going on with targeting in this game.

I am Kamek, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Caretaker of Baby Bowsers.

My PM states that Bowser asked me to find and take care of Bowser Jr. Each night, I was (but, am no longer) able to go out and see if another player was Bowser Jr. I don't know what would have happened if I found them. I do know that none of my actions, whether sent in by me or Sazz, appear to show in the write-ups.

I joined the game late. I asked Astil and he gave me the list of folks that Sazzita targeted - but it's clear that Sazz was fairly inactive.

When I joined the game, I read through the thread and picked up on Destiny's hints (the "I'm the saddest of all that Bowser died" stuff). Seeing that he turned up as Bowser Jr., I kind of wonder if he knew that I was looking for him and was trying to leave me a breadtrial.

Astil sent me my replacement PM pretty close to the N4 deadline, so I didn't send in anything that night. On night 5, I targeted Destiny. My result said that I had not reached Bowser Jr... which kind of surprised me.

At this point, I figured Destiny was just posting weird Destiny-like stuff and went back to the drawing board to try to figure out who Bowser Jr. was.

On night 6, I tried MNN (after Bowser died, he made some throw away comment about it being a shame). On night 7, I tried MH, mostly as a random selection from the list of people that I didn't have a character hint for. I know something about one of these two, but it wasn't necessary for me to share this information then (and I'm not sure it is sensible to do so now, either).

When Destiny died on N7, I was sent a PM saying that I would no longer be going out at night.

So, I'm just a vote now.

Hmm, two people with basically the same mini game? I smell a liar.

[gonvick]

Aight...

I am Darth Sion, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Decomposing Lord Of Pain.

I am from SW:KOTOR 2. I have an additional win condition. I need to find and kill Kreia. Did some research and apparently Kreia used to be a sith lord herself. She was Sion's mentor and was known as Darth Traya before she left the Dark Side.

In-game I know that she is individually aligned. She probably wins by surviving the game, since she's neither good, nor bad. It might be possible that she can only be killed by me at night, but I'm not sure about that.

Every night I target someone. When I find her, she dies and I become a vanilla townie. No luck finding her yet as you can see...

So, you know that there is an indy survivor that you are looking for, but you also found the indy survivor mason claims to be believable? You didn't think that was perhaps too many indy survivors? Not even worth mentioning at the time?

[Tha Black Phenom]

I agree with prague. Having a Prince of Persia with not even a half-way one-shot time power is one of the more suspicious things of late.

I also find d_w_w's role convenient considering both Bowsers are down and, as far as I know, no one else can corroborate his claim.

Verrry interesting.

And for what? What the heck would I need a time power for? For poops and giggles? It has no correlation to the position I'm in, or have been.

If I was town, that would make sense but my allegiance wouldn't. Due to the myriad of evil characters. So I don't know what you want, holmes.

Think less about the character itself and more about the character's predicament.

[trypio]

So, you know that there is an indy survivor that you are looking for, but you also found the indy survivor mason claims to be believable? You didn't think that was perhaps too many indy survivors? Not even worth mentioning at the time?

Persia Aligned isn't the same as Indy aligned... I also wasn't/am not that inclined to help town out 100% yet as I first need to find and kill Kreia. What's the point of helping when that decreases my chances at winning...?

I try to win the games I play. The role that's been given to me requires me to stall as long as possible before finding Kreia. The more phases this game lasts, the more chance I have at finding her.

At the moment town still has a decent number advantage I think, so there's no need for me to rush things...

[trypio]

Here's my list of the people that can still be Kreia based on (believable) roleclaims and previous targets:

3. MichiganHero
6. BlueStar -> Gonvick 2.0
11. paws7297
14. The Two
16. midnight frickin' nick
20. JMan2k3
21. Waghlon
24. Sazzita -> D_w_w
25. Petrija -> MJDGoldeneye 2.0
33. Rabbitman -> Jackalbane

I might have missed a (believable) roleclaim, and if I did, please tell me as that would help me a lot in narrowing down my potential targets...

[JackalBane]

And for what? What the heck would I need a time power for? For poops and giggles? It has no correlation to the position I'm in, or have been.

If I was town, that would make sense but my allegiance wouldn't. Due to the myriad of evil characters. So I don't know what you want, holmes.

Think less about the character itself and more about the character's predicament.
All I'm saying is if I had created a Prince of Persia character in a mafia game, he'd at the very least have a one-shot return to the beginning of that phase (day or night).

But maybe that's just me. :cool:

[mjdgoldeneye]

@MJD, I bet you can recruit TBP. Just feels right given the way recruitments worked in the last game for the Axis Of Evil.

I was considering him next. Him or any of the sponge space-fillers just so we can account for them.

Going back to re-read that shortly. Just wondering what people make of these two instances from the write ups. I've attributed them to Pokemon references involving a bulletproof (or perhaps untargettable) role... I think it was MJD who suggested they might be Pikmin. I don't know anything about Pikmin and have obvious bias towards believing a Pokemon role (since I modded a Pokemon game and all), so I was just wanting to know what others think in terms of town/scum and suchlike.

Here's video of Pikmin fighting:

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That seems to fit. However, there are no villains in Pikmin, only Olimar and (in Pikmin 2) Louie. I'm sure they're on Astil's radar of awareness considering Olimar is in Brawl and every Nintendo fan has played the SSB games. So, perhaps they're scum. However, that would mean an unknown scum group.

Maybe the scum will win this game like they won the last game.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Also, I am in favor of lynching most of the players still alive barring notable exceptions.

Actually, that might be an exaggeration, but I'm somewhat unimpressed with a lot of the claims going around (though I might not be in a position to say that).

Honestly, I think MNN might be playing the same card Arrows played. DJ can always have been playing that way too. If I had to pick a player to be the other Wrestling Machine, it'd be DJ or MNN.

I'll have more to say soon.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'll have more to say soon.

Nothing to hang on, though, I'm just multitasking still.

[gonvick]

Persia Aligned isn't the same as Indy aligned

In what way is it different? They are claiming to be neither with the town or the scum. That's pretty much the definition on an individual alignment, regardless of the specific title.

And three survivors seems a bit much, so I'm still not sure why you would believe the masons.

Could we get a list of your nightly activities?

Nothing to hang on, though, I'm just multitasking still.

Was your most recent result the same as Derek or Arrows?

[mjdgoldeneye]

Was your most recent result the same as Derek or Arrows?

Oh, I forgot to say. It was the same as for Arrows. I was just unable to recruit my target.

I'm wondering how the terminology works. Maybe Derek is town, but unrecruitable. Then, subsequently, I was roleblocked...?

[djthefunkchris]

You know what...

Vote:Midnightnick or Vote:midnight frickin' nick, whichever actually works.

I forgot he was even playing, he's been lieing so low. I had to go look just to make sure.

My questions are pretty simple, if you even show up. Are you active at night? Do you see yourself in the Write-ups? Kill anyone lately?

[gonvick]

Oh, I forgot to say. It was the same as for Arrows. I was just unable to recruit my target.

I'm wondering how the terminology works. Maybe Derek is town, but unrecruitable. Then, subsequently, I was roleblocked...?

I'd think that being unable to reach your target would likely be a roleblock. If you were just being unsuccessful, you'd at least be reaching your target.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd think that being unable to reach your target would likely be a roleblock. If you were just being unsuccessful, you'd at least be reaching your target.

Well, I don't think I can copy and paste, but an equivalent phrasing would be "you were unsuccessful in recruiting your target".

That seems too vague to figure one way or the other.

[djthefunkchris]

How many more scum are there? Thoughts anyone?

Anyone want to give me anything here? My thoughts are I think we are getting close, but might be overlooking something in front of our faces.

[Jman2k3]

Vote:Midnightnick

[gonvick]

Well, I don't think I can copy and paste, but an equivalent phrasing would be "you were unsuccessful in recruiting your target".

That seems too vague to figure one way or the other.

Ok, you were the one who said that you were told that you were unable to reach your target. I think that is distinctly different than 'you were unsuccessful', or something along those lines. So if that result was communicated inaccurately, it's good to know.

I'd still lean towards a roleblock being responsible. There has to be a reason for different results between Derek and Arrows.

Anyone want to give me anything here? My thoughts are I think we are getting close, but might be overlooking something in front of our faces.

At least 4 more.

Syndicate starts with at least 5, and probably 6 as I think American Buffalo as the hitman makes sense. Otherwise I'm not sure where there kills are.

There's the Vesperia killer, I'm thinking is a SK.

We have the speed killer. Not sure about this one yet. Seems odd that there could be another scum group out there that hasn't been discovered yet. Maybe another SK? Maybe PP is on to something and the Persia alignment is a scum group that are responsible for these kills.

Game started with 33 roles, so I'd look for around 10 scum or so. Syndicate and Persia account for 8, SK is 9, possibly one more killer might make it 10. Seems about right.

What bothers me is the opening write up where Prophet gets killed. It's mostly guns and bombs and a militaristic description, but the main known scum group is a bunch of wrestlers and the most consistent killing method is throwing people down. Not exactly a perfect match. So maybe we're missing something.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Ok, you were the one who said that you were told that you were unable to reach your target. I think that is distinctly different than 'you were unsuccessful', or something along those lines. So if that result was communicated inaccurately, it's good to know.

I'd still lean towards a roleblock being responsible. There has to be a reason for different results between Derek and Arrows.

I don't recall saying I wasn't able to reach anyone (because that implies my target was missing or I was definitely blocked). If I did, that wasn't the best interpretation because it is NOT definite.

I don't know what people consider synonymous, so may I repeat once again for clarity (where ever he is :p) that I was unable to recruit Arrows/trypio. I haven't been told why.

The point is that, with Derek, I was specifically told he was not interested in joining me (which implies I did get to him).

I also believe I have been roleblocked.

[praguepride]

Hmm, two people with basically the same mini game? I smell a liar.


Refer to my previous post about minigames

And for what? What the heck would I need a time power for? For poops and giggles? It has no correlation to the position I'm in, or have been.

If I was town, that would make sense but my allegiance wouldn't. Due to the myriad of evil characters. So I don't know what you want, holmes.

Think less about the character itself and more about the character's predicament.

Uhhh, in the game I (briefly) played the Prince accidentally destroyed the entire kingdom.

And you know what? He had time powers.

I cannot fathom a Prince of Persia character being put into the game and not having the ability to manipulate time. That was the whole theme of the freakin' movie based off the game, so come on, it's gotta be something.

Your constant denial of even considering our suspicions just makes me more suspicious.

So, what happened when the Princess died? You get a new title or win condition or what?



Here's video of Pikmin fighting:


Who first suggested Pikmin? It makes no sense. Re-read the first night the swarm shows up. He's talking about birds and bees and all sorts of critters.

Pikmin are different colored, not bee shape. It's pokemon. I think MJD is cult and/or lying.

If it looks like a cult, and smells like a cult. You claim you' weren't successful but has anyone looked into your claimed targets yet? Can anyone confirm that you are actually targeting who you say you're targeting?

Or that pet really was AFK and not sending in abilities? The only reason to keep you alive before was because your ability was exactly what ganon was in VG1

Ganon turned up in the graveyard and now Derek_B is defending you and downplaying the existance of the cult:

Calling it now:


Derek B - cult
MJD - cult
MNN - scum
d-dubs OR trypio - scum/cult
TBP - scum.


So Scum group #1 is Persia aligned, possibly an alignment of other video game protagonist heroes.

Scum Group #2 is Syndicate Aligned

Cult Group #3 is MJD aligned, mayhaps he's got the Vesperia guy in his pocket?

5 man scum group + 5 man scum group + cult = 11 scum, which is right at the 1/3 marker...

[praguepride]

change vote: MJDgoldeneye


Cult leader is higher priority at this point then possible indy/scum hitman.

[Tha Black Phenom]

So Scum group #1 is Persia aligned, possibly an alignment of other video game protagonist heroes.


lmao

Somebody reason with this guy

[Tha Black Phenom]

Uhhh, in the game I (briefly) played the Prince accidentally destroyed the entire kingdom.

And you know what? He had time powers.

I cannot fathom a Prince of Persia character being put into the game and not having the ability to manipulate time. That was the whole theme of the freakin' movie based off the game, so come on, it's gotta be something.

Your constant denial of even considering our suspicions just makes me more suspicious.

So, what happened when the Princess died? You get a new title or win condition or what?


And I can't fathom how you can't fathom how little sense that makes.

Okay sure, time powers are right up Prince's pallet. But why the heck would I harbor such an ability in this situation?

I try to survive, and the town are a bunch of bad guys. Don't you think if I had the power to turn back time, technically it would be detrimental to my win condition?

Ideally, I would just want for this whole game to end as quick as possible. Without me getting hurt goes without saying. But me not being able to turn back time is suddenly nonsensical?

This supposed theory of yours(or JBs) would make the game last longer. I do not want the game to be drawn out. I want to survive. And for this whole shebang to be quickly done with, scum or town be damned.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Who first suggested Pikmin? It makes no sense. Re-read the first night the swarm shows up. He's talking about birds and bees and all sorts of critters.

Pikmin are different colored, not bee shape. It's pokemon. I think MJD is cult and/or lying.

First of all, Pokemon fit JUST as well as Pikmin. That's because Pokemon don't really fit either. Pokemon don't randomly swarm people. They never did that in any game. Also, as far as notable Pokemon, Combee and Beedrill aren't up there. That definitely wouldn't be used as a hint.

Besides, I did not realize the swarm had come up before. More specifically, I didn't connect last night phase to that incident.

Regardless, I challenge you to somehow equate any of this to me being cult.

If it looks like a cult, and smells like a cult. You claim you' weren't successful but has anyone looked into your claimed targets yet? Can anyone confirm that you are actually targeting who you say you're targeting?

Um, one of my claimed targets came up as scum. That's a totally good reason for me to have failed... :p

I don't see why anyone would openly claim to target people night after night without knowing if there are watchers or trackers about.

You aren't thinking very far ahead or considering any of the implications.

Or that pet really was AFK and not sending in abilities? The only reason to keep you alive before was because your ability was exactly what ganon was in VG1

Pet was replaced. Therefore she was inactive. You need no further explanation. Also, I'm sure plenty of people would argue about that second part.

Ganon turned up in the graveyard and now Derek_B is defending you and downplaying the existance of the cult:

Are you drunk or something? :p

I claimed for no reason other than to try to get Derek lynched. Do you not remember that? Do you remember me vehemently standing behind the existance of a cult?

No matter how you slice it, you're oh so very contradictory.

I never ever said I trusted Derek. I simple ran out of momentum. I would totally be willing to lynch him.

I still think there is a cult. Lynching me will show you I'm telling the truth, but that won't prove Derek ISN'T cult.

Lynching Derek doesn't PROVE that I'm not cult, but all the circumstances of my mere existence go against that idea. I outed myself TO TRY LYNCHING WHO I THOUGHT WAS CULT.

I want to shake you... :p

"I'm revealing myself as a mason and Derek didn't want to join me, therefore I think he's cult or scum and I think we should lynch him."

**You and Derek go after me for various things and I have to lay off**

The next day:

"MJD is totally cult with Derek."

Um... wut...

I THINK DEREK IS CULT TOO, BUT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO LYNCH HIM WHEN I TOLD YOU THAT!!!!

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd prefer it if you didn't assume.

I am not in a group. I am by myself. I started by myself and, as I said, Pet never did anything.

I also didn't get "You couldn't find your target" or "You were unsuccessful". I was told my targeted was uninterested.

The way you've been posting since I started talking now is representative of classic scum Derek. I'm not just making it up. You make sure to presume things quickly and preemptively in order to appear as though you're aware of everything and that everything is alright. You also do a lot of "hmm"ing and pondering when you want to change attention. Your entire tone is notable. I hope I'm not the only one to feel that way.

I said what I said because I am fairly confident that you are not with us. Your posts are providing further evidence.

People, we have a cult. There HAS to be one. I'm a mason recruiter and there's too few kills for there not to be a cult too. If anyone was recruited, it was Derek. Hell, I tried to recruit him myself.

I've been glancing at the dead-pool since I died and I can safely say the town in this game has been anemic. We have to do SOMETHING. It's this far into the game and Derek is still alive despite being one of about 4 people who are regularly posting. Plus, he just made a post where he questions the existence of a cult despite it being blatantly obvious that there is one.

If there are any town left, come on. This should be pretty obvious.

I hate Derek... He really didn't say anything to change my mind, but I've totally lost all my momentum...

Did you book me to be buried by Dusty Bin or something? :mad:

:p

In case you need references.

Yea. Totally scum buddies.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Note: I'm not so much campaigning to lynch Derek as I am campaigning against how mind-bogglingly silly what PP posted is.

If it's me or Derek, though, Derek is the only vaguely reasonable choice considering me and PP AGREE that he's probably cult while we certainly disagree about me... :p

[praguepride]

It was all of derek's posts arguing with you up and down but ending with "but I think you're telling the truth"


You are a recruiter.

Recruiters are most commonly aligned with cult.

Your character is NOT a part of a minigame, you are not searching for a specific person to buddy up with.

You are just trying to recruit as many people as possible.
Note you haven't mentioned a limit on how many people to recruit

So, how many people do you have to recruit before you're a cult, eh? 3? 5? 10?

When do you think you'll eventually get big enough that you get a new role and SURPRISE! You're a cult.

Reminds me of the Final Fantasy Tactics army in the FF game. They weren't told they were a cult, they were just recruiting super friends BUT the secret was if they ever had reached X # of people, they would have transformed into a full fledged cult, complete with night kills and everything.


Here's the basic facts that I see, throwing out all the unprovable nonsense and WIFOM stuff

1) You are admiting you have a character that recruits for a shared mafia group

2) Your character claim, Giovanni, is not known, thematically, for being a recruiter per se, not any more then any other leader. Hell, while I might not be a main character, I've led armies of demons before. Doesn't mean it makes sense for me to suddenly be a recruiting mason.

3) Your character, Giovanni, from Pokemon has no knowledge about what is most probably pokemon running around in the game.

4) So far, all the other characters who've reprised from the original game have had the same or similar abilities. Your "supposed" ability is the exact same as Gannondorf from VG1. Why, when Ganon was in the game and the same role was in the game, wouldn't it go hand in hand?

5) You have admitted you are NOT Axis aligned. You are "something else".

6) No reported maximum # of people to recruit NOR specific people you are targeting.

Those all point towards cult. I don't care how convincing you are or all the WIFOM logic going around about "why this" and "why that" and "look at the shiny object over there" that's going on. Those "facts" all point towards you being a cult leader.



You might not even know you're a cult, but the writing on the wall is that if you're not a cult now, you're most likely going to turn into a cult later.


My.vote.stays.

[djthefunkchris]

Interesting discussion...

MJD, not that I'm buying it, but to be honest, I think scum wouldn't be able to be recruited into the cult either. Of course, they wouldn't be able to be in a Mason group either (at least I never seen it happen).

[djthefunkchris]

I still say that Midnightnick is a good way to go though. Haven't heard anything out of him for a good while, normally will at least join a bandwagon, etc. IF he is just not able/inactive for a good reason, I hope he's alright.

He either puts his foot in his mouth as scum (or town, for that matter... "I take it my bad won't cut it this time"), or lays pretty low.

[bak42]

Refer to my previous post about minigames

I'm not saying I believe either of them, but I don't buy that there's two people with the same minigame in here. And of course neither of their minigames can actually be confirmed, how convenient.

[gonvick]

Who first suggested Pikmin? It makes no sense. Re-read the first night the swarm shows up. He's talking about birds and bees and all sorts of critters.

Pikmin are different colored, not bee shape. It's pokemon. I think MJD is cult and/or lying.

Would it make a difference if I told you that I have reason to believe that those aren't Pokemon? The bee is confusing to me, so maybe I'm wrong, but it seems to fit a non-Pokemon situation.

As for MJD as a cult leader, I've been going back and forth on that for a while. Outing himself to get Derek lynched is a risky play for a cult leader, but he did the same thing with Wallbanger in the Nedokius game, so I can't rule it out here.

And interestingly, the scenes that looked like recruitment have been missing the two nights MJD claims to have been roleblocked. I'm not sure why they've disappeared, but roleblocking the claimed recruiter is a reasonable explanation.

If that is the case, then Pet has been recruiting for the whole game and there are at least 6 cultists in addition to the remaining scum. That's not a pleasant thought.

Though it would mean they've been really good about recruiting players that haven't attracted kills. Suspiciously good.

Might be interesting to see the votes on an MJD lynch.

[djthefunkchris]

Gonvick, you realise the odds of being able to lynch anyone if your correct..?

[gonvick]

Gonvick, you realise the odds of being able to lynch anyone if your correct..?

Yes. If there is a cult of that size, it would take the town and scum working together to get a lynch. And that doesn't seem promising.

[mjdgoldeneye]

It was all of derek's posts arguing with you up and down but ending with "but I think you're telling the truth"

It doesn't matter what he says. You think we're together. Facts are facts: I'm NOT completely mentally deficient. Would you agree?

Ok, then it's clear that I wouldn't specifically out myself to lynch a member of my team and then proceed to argue with them for 2 days.

Do I need to say that? Do I need to write a classical argument in the style of Socrates or Plato about how clear it is that I don't freeze my own solid waste and throw it at children while singing Irish folk songs?

Some things should just be understood.

I'm not being arrogant, I'm just not fond of having my intelligence insulted with horrible, horrible, unfitting theories that require me to be a drooling lug to work.

You are a recruiter.

Recruiters are most commonly aligned with cult.

Nope. Want me to get out the pie chart?

Your character is NOT a part of a minigame, you are not searching for a specific person to buddy up with.

You are just trying to recruit as many people as possible.
Note you haven't mentioned a limit on how many people to recruit

So, how many people do you have to recruit before you're a cult, eh? 3? 5? 10?

When do you think you'll eventually get big enough that you get a new role and SURPRISE! You're a cult.

You don't make any sense. You're randomly theorizing about stuff that has NEVER happened before of which you have no reason to believe.

I am NOT trying to "recruit as many people as possible". I am simply able to recruit. I have no goal involving recruiting at all.

You're just pulling stuff out of your ass.

Reminds me of the Final Fantasy Tactics army in the FF game. They weren't told they were a cult, they were just recruiting super friends BUT the secret was if they ever had reached X # of people, they would have transformed into a full fledged cult, complete with night kills and everything.

Yea, because a hypothetical in one game out of tens and tens by a different mod means a certainty in a totally different game...?

Here's the basic facts that I see, throwing out all the unprovable nonsense and WIFOM stuff

Nothing I've said is unprovable. I can be tracked, watched, or investigated. Or, you can lynch any of my targets.

There is no WIFOM either. I've been totally transparent.

1) You are admiting you have a character that recruits for a shared mafia group

What? WTF is a "shared mafia group"?

2) Your character claim, Giovanni, is not known, thematically, for being a recruiter per se, not any more then any other leader. Hell, while I might not be a main character, I've led armies of demons before. Doesn't mean it makes sense for me to suddenly be a recruiting mason.

And how many people has Ganondorf recruited in the Zelda games? How many hordes has he commanded?

I have a DIRECT counter to this point that you said YOURSELF you believed would justify me.

Oh, by the way, I remember plenty "Join Team Rocket!" posters (at least in Stadium) and dozens of Rocket Grunts asking why I (the player character in any given Pokemon game) don't given up and just join Rocket. (Or how, I believe, Giovanni himself points out how great the player would have been if he'd joined Rocket once he's beaten.)

You can't just willfully make stuff up and have it stick.

3) Your character, Giovanni, from Pokemon has no knowledge about what is most probably pokemon running around in the game.

No, not probably. Possibly, in a vague "it hasn't been dis-proven" sense. You can't say it's probably Pokemon considering NOTHING about those write-ups is typical of Pokemon behavior. At all.

4) So far, all the other characters who've reprised from the original game have had the same or similar abilities. Your "supposed" ability is the exact same as Gannondorf from VG1. Why, when Ganon was in the game and the same role was in the game, wouldn't it go hand in hand?

Ganondorf wasn't a recruiter. I have no idea what your point is here. We know your exact example wasn't what he was in the first game. He never countered me and no one has said they were aligned with him and his role and death doesn't at all suggest he was a recruiter.

5) You have admitted you are NOT Axis aligned. You are "something else".

I'm not "something else" with spooky cryptic quotation marks. I'm Team Rocket. I flat out claimed.

I also admitted to having an IDENTICAL win condition to the town.

6) No reported maximum # of people to recruit NOR specific people you are targeting.

...so?

Those all point towards cult. I don't care how convincing you are or all the WIFOM logic going around about "why this" and "why that" and "look at the shiny object over there" that's going on. Those "facts" all point towards you being a cult leader.

None of these are logical, probable, or coherent... let alone FACTS.

There is no distraction or WIFOM. I've spoken nothing but simple, straight-line common sense.

I want you to look at me with a straight face (metaphorically) and say that it makes sense for me to have outed myself for the sole purpose of lynching a teammate. The buck stops there considering that's what your entire argument hinges on.

I don't need sleight of hand to point out that nothing you've said makes a lick of sense. It's self-evident.

I urge anyone with sanity, even if you're scum and would secretly benefit from me being lynched, to see that everything PP said is off-the-wall insanity.

[mjdgoldeneye]

As for MJD as a cult leader, I've been going back and forth on that for a while. Outing himself to get Derek lynched is a risky play for a cult leader, but he did the same thing with Wallbanger in the Nedokius game, so I can't rule it out here.

I don't think I did. Wasn't Wallbanger recruited AFTER I argued with him? That's totally justifiable in that case: I use real discussion to make it look like we're less likely to be together.

The difference here is that I never ever ever said I didn't favor a Derek lynch.

I don't believe me vs. 'Banger was me specifically outing myself to get him lynched, either.

And interestingly, the scenes that looked like recruitment have been missing the two nights MJD claims to have been roleblocked. I'm not sure why they've disappeared, but roleblocking the claimed recruiter is a reasonable explanation.

If that is the case, then Pet has been recruiting for the whole game and there are at least 6 cultists in addition to the remaining scum. That's not a pleasant thought.

Though it would mean they've been really good about recruiting players that haven't attracted kills. Suspiciously good.

Might be interesting to see the votes on an MJD lynch.

I'm willing to lynch ANYONE. There's only so much I can do, I know, but I am totally alone. Cross my heart and hope to die.

You can't hang the fact that no one targeted me for anything on me.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yes. If there is a cult of that size, it would take the town and scum working together to get a lynch. And that doesn't seem promising.

As I said, I will help (lynch anyone other than me). I will also, every day, support lynching anyone who doesn't comply.

That's a totally vapid promise, but it's sincere.

[bak42]

As I said, I will help (lynch anyone other than me). I will also, every day, support lynching anyone who doesn't comply.

That's a totally vapid promise, but it's sincere.

Hell, at this point we need to start lynching people period. It's day fraking nine and we've lynched two people.

[mjdgoldeneye]

And, to be more open, if you think I'm trying to screen for some sort of impending end game, I'm not going to obfuscate any plans of action you think up (except lynching me).

The reason why I don't just take the lynch in honor of the town is that you won't have any reason to think there is no cult. You'll keep picking around for more Rockets when there are none. So, basically, I'll be dead for nothing and the town will lose because they were paranoid over nothing.

I welcome abilities of all shapes and sizes. I've been open every day to every imaginable extent. I've outed myself to try to stop something you think I am (for no other apparent reason). NO culties have shown up. Petrija never posted and was replaced. No one has come up with anything to refute my claims or existence.

Don't you think it's both uncharacteristically ballsy for me to do what I've done and also unrealistically unlikely for me to not have been caught in a single practical lie after several days of discussion and claims?

[mjdgoldeneye]

Hell, at this point we need to start lynching people period. It's day fraking nine and we've lynched two people.

Well, I think I've plugged every hole anyone has brought up.

Why don't we lynch the suddenly vehement and illogical praguepride?

How about Derek (who is apparently in my cult, says everyone, so he's as good as me).

How about MNN for myriad reasons?

You can't say MNN has a better case than I do!

[gonvick]

I don't think I did. Wasn't Wallbanger recruited AFTER I argued with him? That's totally justifiable in that case: I use real discussion to make it look like we're less likely to be together.

The difference here is that I never ever ever said I didn't favor a Derek lynch.

I don't believe me vs. 'Banger was me specifically outing myself to get him lynched, either.

Wallbanger was scum in that game. You tried to recruit him but it failed. You immediately claimed recruiting mason and said he was suspicious for not joining you.

Similar to what's happened here. You failed to recruit Derek, immediately claimed recruiting mason and said Derek was suspicious for not joining you.

So I can't say that your play is exactly unprecedented as a cult leader.

However, if you were the recruiting sounding guy from the write ups, it would appear that the Derek recruitment would have been successful, and that was all a ploy to separate the two of you in case of death.


I'm willing to lynch ANYONE. There's only so much I can do, I know, but I am totally alone. Cross my heart and hope to die.

You can't hang the fact that no one targeted me for anything on me.

Yes, you also said that in the game where you were a cult leader. It's not exactly compelling.


The reason why I don't just take the lynch in honor of the town is that you won't have any reason to think there is no cult. You'll keep picking around for more Rockets when there are none. So, basically, I'll be dead for nothing and the town will lose because they were paranoid over nothing.

If you came up as Rocket aligned, I'd be inclined to believe you were telling the truth. If you were a cult, it would make the most sense to claim a different alignment. If anyone dies with a Rocket alignment, your lie would be exposed. If they have a different alignment, you still can claim to not be in the cult.

Don't you think it's both uncharacteristically ballsy for me to do what I've done and also unrealistically unlikely for me to not have been caught in a single practical lie after several days of discussion and claims?

Last time you were a cult leader, I found your play to be completely baffling. So I'm not sure how to determine what is uncharacteristically ballsy or unrealistically unlikely for you.

Well, I think I've plugged every hole anyone has brought up.

Why don't we lynch the suddenly vehement and illogical praguepride?

How about Derek (who is apparently in my cult, says everyone, so he's as good as me).

How about MNN for myriad reasons?

You can't say MNN has a better case than I do!

I suspect that a case might exist for MNN. Depends if I've pieced together certain things correctly. But even then it's a lot of supposition that might not mean much. So it wouldn't prevent me from lynching him, but it does make me curious about him in a way other than him looking like scum.

Also, I am curious what your thoughts are on the consistently present recruitment sounding sections of the write ups suddenly disappearing from the write ups on the nights you claim to be roleblocked. Coincidence? Something other than recruitments, which the sudden stopping of can be explained?

And I'd like to hear other people's opinions on that as well. It's probably important to figure out.

[Derek B]

CHANGE VOTE: Midnightnick

Something needs to be done and I'm happy enough lynching MNN since he's laying extremely low... and he still isn't the only one.

The back and forth between MJD and prague has turned into a giant post war that is going nowhere. I do find it interesting that the sections people have been referring to as cult recruitments seem to have disappeared now. I can't point to any deaths that would indicate the character is in the graveyard, so that leaves someone no longer sending in abilities OR someone being roleblocked. You know who's been quiet recently?

Comradebot (who has posted elsewhere on the site in the last 24 hours)
MichiganHero
midnightnick
The Two

And of course, MJD has been getting blocked (apparantly) too. That's a list worth looking at if you really want to find whoever is in that section of write up... and for those keeping track, I still don't think it's a cult.

btw, anyone else worked out what Ganondorf's ability was yet? Seem weird to you?

[praguepride]

MJ.... are you even playing this game? You usually make sense buried in your posts but you are totally posting out of your ass on this one:


What? WTF is a "shared mafia group"?


1) A "shared mafia group" is my terminology for a group of players that can communicate outside of the thread. This would include: masons, cults, and scum. 2/3 of those possabilities are bad.

And to your earlier point... the majority of recruiters are scum. Don't give me any BS about how recruiting masons are "more common" then cult leaders because they are not. Fact, set match.


And how many people has Ganondorf recruited in the Zelda games? How many hordes has he commanded?

I have a DIRECT counter to this point that you said YOURSELF you believed would justify me.

Oh, by the way, I remember plenty "Join Team Rocket!" posters (at least in Stadium) and dozens of Rocket Grunts asking why I (the player character in any given Pokemon game) don't given up and just join Rocket. (Or how, I believe, Giovanni himself points out how great the player would have been if he'd joined Rocket once he's beaten.)

You can't just willfully make stuff up and have it stick.


2) Gannondorf does have a history of corrupting other people though.
http://zelda.wikia.com/wiki/Possessed_Zelda

So me the wiki of someone who was actively recruited into Team Rocket during the course of a game and I would concede this single point to you out of a total of six possible. Way to win an arguement ;)


No, not probably. Possibly, in a vague "it hasn't been dis-proven" sense. You can't say it's probably Pokemon considering NOTHING about those write-ups is typical of Pokemon behavior. At all.


4) VIDEO GAME MAFIA 2

Night 4

He moved to take this guy down, but something else got in his way. A punch took care of him, but now a small one. A stomp on that, but now a huge one. He hoisted the huge one up, and slammed it down.

And now a bee! Oh forget this...

***


Count 'em up: You've got "this guy", "something else", "small one", "huge one", "bee"

5 total. Well within the traditional "6" pokemon. And notice how they are all different? Pikimin are practically identical.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/OlimarBrawl.jpg

He is describing a huge variety. A "huge" one, a "small" one and a bee. Those three alone should discount your stupid Pikmin theory and when unless you want to bring in other game series like Monster Rancher or something, it really only fits pokemon, the bee really gives it away. You dismiss Beedrill as being a "random pokemon" but it exists. A huge one, there are numerous examples of "huge" pokemon, especially compared to a larger then average size wrestler. Snorlax, for example would easily fit, not to mention huge wyrms like Onix etc.





Ganondorf wasn't a recruiter. I have no idea what your point is here. We know your exact example wasn't what he was in the first game. He never countered me and no one has said they were aligned with him and his role and death doesn't at all suggest he was a recruiter.


5) Really? Really? Really?

Roles:

THE WINNERS: AXIS OF EVIL

Derek B

You are Bowser Axis of Evil Aligned Turtle Tyrant

The king koopa, the big baddy, you are Bowser himself. Sure you’ve had some horrible plans before, but this isn’t a plot about a princess, it’s about lives and control now.

With your gang Gannondorf (midnightnick), Robotnik (lostrelms) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason) you plan to forcefully take control of this town. Once per night you PM me the name of who you wish to kill and who in your group will be doing the kill.

You may speak with your gang outside of the game.

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players

midnightnick

You are Gannondorf Axis of Evil Aligned Power Triforce Owner

Foiled, again and again by Link, you have become frustrated. By teaming up with these other villains you feel that you stand a better chance. However, you are a bit smarter than the rest. You know that there are more with dark hearts out there.

Once per night, providing you are not doing the kill, you may search by PMing me a name who you feel can be recruited to your cause.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Robotnik (lostrelms) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

TheEdgeofReason

You are Vaati Axis of Evil Aligned Small Sorcerer

Who?

That’s the response most gamers have when your name is brought up, however you are a big time villain in a big time gamin series. To prove your worth you’ve joined with some more famous names to take over.

Three times in the game you may use your powers to turn a player to stone. This player will be unable to speak, vote or participate during the next day AND night phase. You may only do this if you are not doing the kill for the Axis.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Robotnik (Lostrelms) and Gannondorf (midnightnick).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Lostrelms

You are Robotnik Axis of Evil Aligned Crazy Doctor

You’ve learned to hate anything blue, fast or hedgehog-like. You, out of any villain in your gang, have been made to look the worst. All you wanted to do was turn animals into robots, is that so bad?

The main thing you bring to your gangmates is a very large weapon, the Death Egg. At any time during a day phase you may crash it, ending the day phase. Unfortunately you can only do this once.

You may speak outside of the game to your don Bowser (Derek_b) or your gangmates Gannondorf (midnightnick) and Vaati (TheEdgeofReason).

You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.

Clarity

You are Riku, Secondary Alliance Aligned Misguided Heart

You are Riku, Axis of Evil Aligned Misguided Heart

You want to help your gang, but you don’t know who they are, nor do they know you. That’s why you’ve come up with the plan to lay low and help them in another way.

With your power of manipulation you may change someone’s vote during the day phase. To do this PM me the name of the person who you wish to change and the name of the person you want them to vote for.

You win if the Secondary Alliance out numbers all other players.
You win if the Axis of Evil out numbers all other players.


Roles:

Surviving Townies

Mr T Jobs To Me

You are Cats, Town Aligned Setter of the Bomb

“How are you gentlemen?” “All your base are belong to us.” “You have no chance to survive to survive, make your time.”

With these few lines you cemented your place in video game history. Now the town needs help, and you’re the best man…thing for the job. Be warned, if attacked you will set someone up the bomb.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

masterded:

You are Master Chief, Town Aligned Shot Gun Carrying Spartan

When **** goes down, you grab a gun. This time is no different; you aren’t getting taken down in the night. You plan on sleeping with your shotgun, and if anyone decides to mess with you, well they don’t deserve that face anyway.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.

BIGJOSH

You are Cloud, Town Aligned Spikey-haired Super SOLIDER

You thought you were rid of him. You thought you killed him one…two…three times. Somehow he’s returned, and it’s up to you to find him. Sephiroth lurks among your townmates, and you cannot rest until he dies. Once per night you may PM me a name. You will receive a simple yes or no answer regarding whether or not that player is Sephiroth.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated and Sephiroth dies before you.

i effin rule

You are Fox McCloud, Town Aligned Arwing Piloting Fox

As a pilot you are trained to be cool under pressure and depend on the help of others. Through whatever this encounter will bring you know there is one person … erm Falcon that will be there for you. Outside of the game you may speak to Falco (Jim Force) about strategy and whatnot.

You win if all threats to the town are eliminated.


Please tell me you can see the similarities:

VG1 -> VG2
Bowser was don, became princess. Makes sense. If either one dies, it screws their team because he's their leader.
Riku retains the same power from before
Master Chief retains the same power from before
Cats retains the same power from before
Cloud has a similar power (investigation, hunting sephiroth before, now just a general tracker?)
Robotnik has the same power as before (just flipped from scum day skip to townie night skip)
Vaati has the same power as before...

You get my drift?

So why, if all the others have the same or similar power, does Ganon's power suddenly jump from one player to another? And if you're doing this, what was Ganon up to? I really wish he had said something yesterday to clarify, now we'll never know...




I'm not "something else" with spooky cryptic quotation marks. I'm Team Rocket. I flat out claimed.

I also admitted to having an IDENTICAL win condition to the town.


The point is you are not Axis of Eviltown aligned. Win condition means jack now because a) you were already a townie who died and was rezzed, and b) you spoiled that Day 1 already.



...so?


6) Having a maximum or some kind of limitation on the power keeps balance. Let's pretend pet was active and was successful every single night.

What, you think it's balanced to have 6+ townies all part of the same alignment that can all communicate outside of a thread? You know what, those exist. They are called cults.




I am more convinced then ever because of your pitiful attempt at defense. Usually when you're town you come up with some good, logical reasons to defend yourself, but now? It's garbage. Especially the Pikmin logic, the continual dismissal of Gannondorf, and the adamant refusal to see from our point of a view that a "recruiting mason" is just another term for a cult leader.

Especially considering you just tried to pull the exact same stunt in Neo. Like.... literally the exact same stunt.

"oh...I'm just looking for allies blah blah blah"

Yeah. A cult by any other name is still a cult.

[gonvick]

btw, anyone else worked out what Ganondorf's ability was yet? Seem weird to you?

I'm not familiar with the character, so I can't speak to how well it fits in that way. But it is a significant departure from the first game, which seems to set it apart from the others, so in that way it's kind of weird.

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 9. With 16 remaining it is 9 for majority. You have until 1:00 AM EST Friday February 18th to reach majority.

D_w_w - 1 (waghlon)

MJDGoldeneye - 1 (Praguepride)

MichiganHero - 1 (Gonvick)

Midnightnick - 3 (DJtheFunkChris, JMan2k3, Derek_b)

[d_w_w]

So the result when you targeted Destiny was exactly the same as when you targeted one of the others? That seems rather odd. The obvious explanation seems kind of coincidental, especially if what you know is what I think you know.

Since you were somewhat vague about it, who did Sazzita target, and were any results worded the same way as yours?

I see where you are going with this.

Much like MJD, I didn't paste the wording of my role PM word for word, as I don't particularly want to be mod-killed.

Two of my PMs, in paraphrase form, said this: "Didn't find Bowser Jr. last night"

The other PM was different. It included my target's name and had a different connotation. I suspect you know about this one, based on the way you've approached it. You think scum, yes?

Sazzita targeted Derek (N2). Sazz sent in no other PMs. And yes, Sazz received the same "Didn't find Bowswer Jr. last night" PM.

[d_w_w]

Regarding everything else:

@PP vs. MJD: While I can't shake this niggling feeling that there is a cult about, I'm leaning toward no cult right now. Having said that, if there is a cult, we need to lynch of them today, or we're nearing the territory of shenanigans. I won't be around for most of the day, but would be willing to vote in this direction tonight, if we decide that this is the most imperative of lynches.

@MNN: Play the game please, sir.

Vote: Midnightnick

[Tha Black Phenom]

Weeeeell, aaaalright.

Vote: Midnightnick

[bak42]

vote: Midnightnick

[Waghlon]

We could use a successful lynch...

Vote: Midnightnick

[JackalBane]

Agreed.

Vote: midnightnick

[Waghlon]

We could use a successful lynch...

Vote: Midnightnick


Of course its Change Vote: Midnightnick now that i think about it...

[JackalBane]

I believe we are at L-1.

[praguepride]

That is going too fast for comfort. We need to hear from MNN, assuming shennanigans didn't just occur!

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 9. With 16 remaining it is 9 for majority. You have until 1:00 AM EST Friday February 18th to reach majority.



MJDGoldeneye - 1 (Praguepride)

MichiganHero - 1 (Gonvick)

Midnightnick - 8 (DJtheFunkChris, JMan2k3, Derek_b, d_w_w, tha black phenom, bak42, Waghlon, JackalBane, )

[Tha Black Phenom]

Pff, this always happens, didn't expect otherwise. Might as well not have voted :p

[praguepride]

It irritates me. I spent a lot of time reasoning out why MJD is most likely a cult.

What does everyone do? Say "eh" and then try and speed lynch an AFK player.


If you run the numbers, there is far too few scum in a game this size. There has to be a cult or SK or something, but there haven't even reliably been 2 kills a night, let alone three.

I could see 2x 5 man scum groups + 1 SK, but there has been no third SK. Hell, if Persia isn't the 2nd scum group then there's a huge block of scum out there that hasn't even been touched yet.

No offense TBP, I'm not 100% sold on Persia being scum because it doesn't fit the OP, but if you're not, who is!?

If Tales of Vesperia guy or whatever was reliably slicing and dicing each night, I'd be fine thinking there wasn't a cult.

But he's not. Perhaps cult recruited him early on and now he's swinging for them every now and then? /shrug.


What bugs me is MJD's play on cults. In Neo, he ran with it like he was 100% town, despite being 100% cult. And this strikes me as the exact same play, the exact same vibe as before.

But wait, tomorrow I'll do a complete 180 talking about how there can't possibly be a cult, how I was completely wrong etc. etc. ;)

Oh wait...that was derek and MJD ~2 days ago :D

[Tha Black Phenom]

Instead of just voting blindly, those who've come on and voted on a whisper should probably lay their thoughts on MJD as well and the possibility of him being cult. I'd say it's the least they could do, if they're town.

But... I'm just sayin'.

[gonvick]

The other PM was different. It included my target's name and had a different connotation. I suspect you know about this one, based on the way you've approached it. You think scum, yes?

Really I'm just guessing at what you might have been able to pick up on a target, other than your usual info. I see one thing that might fit, but I'm not sure.

And I would think it would actually point at town, so maybe I'm way off. I haven't asked for further detail, as I'd rather hear from that player first, but it doesn't look like that's happening. Perhaps you could confirm which player it is that you know something about?

vote: Midnightnick
We could use a successful lynch...

Vote: Midnightnick
Agreed.

Vote: midnightnick

Do any of you have opinions on the possible existence of a cult? Any ideas about what's going on in those sections of the write up if it isn't recruitment? Any ideas about why they stopped?

[gonvick]

The other PM was different. It included my target's name and had a different connotation. I suspect you know about this one, based on the way you've approached it. You think scum, yes?

Since I suspect my first idea is probably wrong, there is a similar second idea in play. If it's that, then I would have to lean towards scum. Though I'm not sure how it fits into things.

So I guess confirmation on who we're talking about is the next step to figuring it out.

[Astil]

...

[Astil]

Also, front page should be updated.

[Waghlon]

Do any of you have opinions on the possible existence of a cult? Any ideas about what's going on in those sections of the write up if it isn't recruitment? Any ideas about why they stopped?


I can imagine it. Naturally I have no real idea of who would be in it. Whoever is hunting the cult could just as easily be the cult.

[mjdgoldeneye]

And to your earlier point... the majority of recruiters are scum. Don't give me any BS about how recruiting masons are "more common" then cult leaders because they are not. Fact, set match.

Simply not true. Irrelevant, really, but still, not true.

So me the wiki of someone who was actively recruited into Team Rocket during the course of a game and I would concede this single point to you out of a total of six possible. Way to win an arguement ;)

Actually, a lot of grunts mention why they joined Rocket and talk about being regretful and how they "thought it was cool" if you talk to them after you beat them. Their entire organization is built around recruited grunts and, like, 4 actual meaningful leaders (and a bunch of scientists).

98%+ of the members of Team Rocket were actively recruited!


4)

Count 'em up: You've got "this guy", "something else", "small one", "huge one", "bee"

5 total. Well within the traditional "6" pokemon. And notice how they are all different? Pikimin are practically identical.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/0c/OlimarBrawl.jpg

He is describing a huge variety. A "huge" one, a "small" one and a bee. Those three alone should discount your stupid Pikmin theory and when unless you want to bring in other game series like Monster Rancher or something, it really only fits pokemon, the bee really gives it away. You dismiss Beedrill as being a "random pokemon" but it exists. A huge one, there are numerous examples of "huge" pokemon, especially compared to a larger then average size wrestler. Snorlax, for example would easily fit, not to mention huge wyrms like Onix etc.

You seem to neglect mentioning that I was basing my idea on a different write-up. I didn't make the connection to the one you bring up here. It's not like I'm standing by my Pikmin idea, it was just a suggestion. When did I ever say "Totally Pikmin, prove me wrong brah"?

For the sake of argument, you probably googled "Pikmin" to find a picture. You chose the 4th picture with the 3 traditional Pikmin. You had to have purposely skipped over the FIRST result:

http://bulk.destructoid.com/ul/132577-why-pikmin-is-the-greatest-videogame-series-ever/Pikmin3-620x.jpg

I suppose a larger Pikmin and one with insect like eyes kind of watered down your point, eh? (No, not invalidates it, simply gives me something to say.)

Unethical screening of fact won't curry any favor.

5) Really? Really? Really?

If you weren't blinded by tunnel vision, you'd realize what I was talking about.

I was VERY OBVIOUSLY saying Ganondorf was not a recruiter in THIS GAME. Not EVER.

Otherwise, what I said makes no sense.

Please tell me you can see the similarities:

VG1 -> VG2
Bowser was don, became princess. Makes sense. If either one dies, it screws their team because he's their leader.
Riku retains the same power from before
Master Chief retains the same power from before
Cats retains the same power from before
Cloud has a similar power (investigation, hunting sephiroth before, now just a general tracker?)
Robotnik has the same power as before (just flipped from scum day skip to townie night skip)
Vaati has the same power as before...

You get my drift?

So why, if all the others have the same or similar power, does Ganon's power suddenly jump from one player to another? And if you're doing this, what was Ganon up to? I really wish he had said something yesterday to clarify, now we'll never know...

Um, I was Fox. I'm pretty sure I didn't have the same power as in the first game. (I'm not using unfair knowledge, it specifically mentions me using the Microsoft Access of Evil. I was random info guy.)

Nice obfuscating visible fact to suit your points again.

It's really really clear that Ganon was not a recruiter in this game.

The point is you are not Axis of Eviltown aligned. Win condition means jack now because a) you were already a townie who died and was rezzed, and b) you spoiled that Day 1 already.

So, you believe me when I say I'm not Axis of Eviltown, but not that I have the same win condition?

You must hear yourself. You are quite obviously cherry picking what helps you and not even mentioning that which doesn't.

6) Having a maximum or some kind of limitation on the power keeps balance. Let's pretend pet was active and was successful every single night.

What, you think it's balanced to have 6+ townies all part of the same alignment that can all communicate outside of a thread? You know what, those exist. They are called cults.

You glaze over (read: never even consider) that I have failed 3 consecutive times. Odds are only certain people can be recruited. That's a very simple and logical explanation. So, you know, you'll ignore it.

I am more convinced then ever because of your pitiful attempt at defense. Usually when you're town you come up with some good, logical reasons to defend yourself, but now? It's garbage. Especially the Pikmin logic, the continual dismissal of Gannondorf, and the adamant refusal to see from our point of a view that a "recruiting mason" is just another term for a cult leader.

I'm shunning you starting now. I'm not going to bicker with an insane man.

Not ONE solitary person has followed your tirade, and you have the nerve to use "our"?

And you equate recruiting mason with cult despite the fact that, you know, they're two different things. My reference? Every freakin' OTHER recruiting mason in GDS history and every mafia reference on the internet.

And I'm supposed to agree with you that I'm a cult leader? What? Is there a gas leak?

Forget you, buddy. You've got to be trolling me. For the remainder of this game, you're on my Kobe list.

You just babble incessantly and try speaking from some sort of town supported perch despite no one agreeing with you. Not one person.

tl;dr

Should I hammer? Is PP, in particular, as insane as I think (regardless of your opinion of me)? What I'm asking is A) Do you think I'm cult? and B) Is it for the reasons PP mentioned or something less on the order of psychosis?

[praguepride]

...what I said makes no sense.


This is probably the first clear, coherent piece of your moon-logic that i can follow ;)

[gonvick]

So, you believe me when I say I'm not Axis of Eviltown, but not that I have the same win condition?

You must hear yourself. You are quite obviously cherry picking what helps you and not even mentioning that which doesn't.

So we're supposed to believe it's an all or nothing situation? Scum never tell the truth about one thing but lie about another? In the Nedokious game, you didn't tell the truth about your alignment but lie about your win condition?

That you pretend to think such a thing is unreasonable comes off as rather scummy.

Is PP, in particular, as insane as I think (regardless of your opinion of me)? What I'm asking is A) Do you think I'm cult? and B) Is it for the reasons PP mentioned or something less on the order of psychosis?

I think you could well be cult and I really wouldn't mind lynching you. Maybe I'm overly paranoid about cults, but there was a consistent section in the write up that looked exactly like a recruitment, and I'm not sure why it disappeared. So the admitted recruiter whose claim of being roleblocked coincides with that disappearance seems like a reasonable place to look.

Your defense is weak and relies on taking you at your word. And it fits with how you played as a cult in a previous game. There is nothing to corroborate your claims, so they are questionable.

I don't know anything about Pokemon, so I can't speak to whether your claimed group makes sense as masons. I think it's a valid point to consider why the scum recruiter from the last game wouldn't be the mason recruiter in this one. Seems like an easy continuation/evolution of the role, similar to the other returning winners. I wouldn't say it's conclusive, but it's a fair point.

Doesn't really matter whether cults or recruiting masons are used more often. Either one could make it into this particular game. Given the similarities, it's certainly not unreasonable to suspect one of being the other when there is a lack of substantial evidence.

[JackalBane]

tl;dr

Should I hammer? Is PP, in particular, as insane as I think (regardless of your opinion of me)? What I'm asking is A) Do you think I'm cult? and B) Is it for the reasons PP mentioned or something less on the order of psychosis?
How long is left in the phase? If it's less than a day, then yes you should.

If not, your call.

[JackalBane]

How long is left in the phase? If it's less than a day, then yes you should.

If not, your call.
And after actually checking the time a few posts up, it's less than a day.

So, then, yes.

[mjdgoldeneye]

So we're supposed to believe it's an all or nothing situation? Scum never tell the truth about one thing but lie about another? In the Nedokious game, you didn't tell the truth about your alignment but lie about your win condition?

That you pretend to think such a thing is unreasonable comes off as rather scummy.

When scum, I actually make a point to lie about as little as possible. In fact, someone recently said that if I died and was Team Rocket, that'd clear me. However, I did say that Petrija had been totally inactive. Can't I be cult and be telling the whole truth about everything else? That's not the only thing PP cherry-picked. He wasn't being logical, he was picking and choosing everything ti fit his idea.

You're supposed to determine your theory from the evidence, not choose to only acknowledge the evidence that fits your theory.

My problem with PP is that he's choosing to believe that everything about me is damning. When there's options, he invariably chooses the scummier looking option, NOT the more likely option.

A case can be built against me, but throwing together the everything bagel of blind opposition isn't credible.

I'm either legitimate town or scum trying to look like town. Therefore, you can trust that I'm trying to make sure you make decisions for the right reasons.

If I'm going to die, I'd be very disappointed if it were at the hands of a piss-poor fire-hose of nonsense.

I think you could well be cult and I really wouldn't mind lynching you. Maybe I'm overly paranoid about cults, but there was a consistent section in the write up that looked exactly like a recruitment, and I'm not sure why it disappeared. So the admitted recruiter whose claim of being roleblocked coincides with that disappearance seems like a reasonable place to look.

See the last section. You're using my own voluntary testimony against me. You do realize that, if I were cult, I'd be aware of exactly how all of this went down, right?

I'm not out to sabotage myself.

Your defense is weak and relies on taking you at your word. And it fits with how you played as a cult in a previous game. There is nothing to corroborate your claims, so they are questionable.

The lack of anything contradicting my claims is far more substantial.

Nothing that I've said about myself, which has been pulled up continuously at a moments notice, has been refuted.

My color, my targets, my alignment, what I said about Petrija, there are no culties in the graveyard, my character, my flavor.

I didn't provide any of that under duress and it was all voluntary and prompt. NOTHING can be pointed to as incorrect.

That's a lot of **** to make up and not get called on for 3 consecutive days.

What kind of strategy is coupling a mountain of irrefutable claims with what would otherwise be self-sabotage?

I don't know anything about Pokemon, so I can't speak to whether your claimed group makes sense as masons. I think it's a valid point to consider why the scum recruiter from the last game wouldn't be the mason recruiter in this one. Seems like an easy continuation/evolution of the role, similar to the other returning winners. I wouldn't say it's conclusive, but it's a fair point.

There's evidence that he wasn't a recruiter. His title and depiction in his death scene don't mesh with that idea. Plus, no one has come forward claiming to be a mason.

Doesn't really matter whether cults or recruiting masons are used more often. Either one could make it into this particular game. Given the similarities, it's certainly not unreasonable to suspect one of being the other when there is a lack of substantial evidence.

I outed myself to support the idea of a cult KNOWING that I'm a recruiting mason. I AGREE that those sections of the write-up look like recruitments. However, they aren't me. If I knew they were me, it wouldn't make sense to draw attention to them.

Half the points about cults were brought up by me!

Anyway, the phase is winding down so Vote: Midnightnick.

[praguepride]

It is sad that MJs entire defense can be countered by WIFOM.

"I can't be scum because I claimed. Why would I do that!?"

Answer: WIFOM

[Astil]

Evilday 9 is over.

[mjdgoldeneye]

It is sad that MJs entire defense can be countered by WIFOM.

"I can't be scum because I claimed. Why would I do that!?"

Answer: WIFOM

You are incorrect.

You are a bad mafia player. You haven't read a word I've said.

Or, at least, you refuse to understand it.

[praguepride]

You are incorrect.

You are a bad mafia player. You haven't read a word I've said.

Or, at least, you refuse to understand it.


What is to read? You have no evidence to support you. It is all just conjecture about your motives. Why whould you do this or that? Who cares, it is all WIFOM.

Fact: recruitment in write ups stopped when you were roleblocked

Fact: you are not town aligned

Fact: you recruit

Fact: your ability WAS Ganons but you are not ganon.


Refute that with actual evidence, not conjecture about your motives.

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Evilday 9

He had done some good work earlier for Axis of Eviltown. However his absence made him look suspicious to this newly rejuvenated town. It was unfortunate for all.

However one stood off in the distance, satisfied.

Midnightnick is dead. He was Saren, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Turian Turncoat

It is now Night Phase 9. You have until 7:00 PM EST Friday February 18th to get all PMs to Astil and Prophet

[mjdgoldeneye]

You are incorrect.

You are a bad mafia player. You haven't read a word I've said.

Or, at least, you refuse to understand it.

You know what, you've succeeded at mafia. I'd best say you are a bad reasoner.

We'll go through it piece by piece so you don't get overwhelmed. There are clearly defined logical connections between every point that I make, but you'd rather pass it off as baseless. So, yea, one at a time.

Answer me this: Was Petrija replaced? Yes or no?

For what reasons are people replaced. List anything and everything you can think of.

Take your time.

[praguepride]

Really? Your defense is going to rely on metagaming?

Pet may have been inactive, or he could have been active and asked to be replaced.

el
I was in a mafia game where I asked to be replaced, but I still sent in night actions because I had a power role.

To post takes time to read, catch up etc. But if you have scum buddies sending in your actions or making choices for you.... catch my drift?

You might want to rethink your defense...

[praguepride]

Food for thought for the rest of you:

Has there ever been a recruiting mason group that wasnt a cult or later would turn into a cult?

Not a broken mason group where people had specific targets that thematically made sense, but just a generic "recruit every night" mason group?

FF had the tactics army but that turned into a cult once they hit X people.

VG1, scum could recruit a few traitors

Neo: cult
Pokemon: ??? dont recall
HH2 it was a recruiting scum group

Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.

[mjdgoldeneye]

What is to read? You have no evidence to support you. It is all just conjecture about your motives. Why whould you do this or that? Who cares, it is all WIFOM.

Nope. Saying that over and over and over and over and over and over doesn't make it true.

Fact: recruitment in write ups stopped when you were roleblocked

The only reason you have to believe I was roleblocked was because I told you.

You believe THAT when I say it, why not anything else? You're hypocritical.

Also, no one knows if I was roleblocked (except maybe a roleblocker). We've all just been assuming.

Fact: you are not town aligned

That is not a fact. You can't state that as a fact. You might THINK it's a fact considering you're an unbudging pain in the side at this point, but I said that I have the same win condition as you.

Win condition determines town or scum.

I am not Axis of Eviltown, but I AM town.

Answer this or you're wrong by default: You say I am not town aligned because I said I was Team Rocket, correct? If so, would you then say that you believe something I've said to be factual? Would you also agree that I've said I was town? Why don't you believe that if you're willing to pledge that a piece of information that I GAVE YOU as fact?

You're admitting to cherry-picking. Cherry-picking is an age old logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are not valid.

I have nothing to refute. You are not providing a fair argument. This is a kangaroo court.

Fact: you recruit

I'm not refuting this because it's true.

Fact: your ability WAS Ganons but you are not ganon.

Ganon recruited in the first game. What evidence do YOU have that he recruits in this game? I've given you evidence that he doesn't. (My Fox role that was in a write-up, Ganon who was in a write-up, no one claimed being a mason, Ganon didn't counter me).

You're the one relying on conjecture. Stop running in circles. You can't run away from the above sentences without explaining them.

You've yet to challenge me with anything that isn't improbable conjecture of your own. When I prove evidence, you accuse me of WIFOM. I'm supposed to battle one-sided conjecture and willful ignorance with logic? No thank you.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Video Game Mafia 2

Evilday 9

He had done some good work earlier for Axis of Eviltown. However his absence made him look suspicious to this newly rejuvenated town. It was unfortunate for all.

However one stood off in the distance, satisfied.

Midnightnick is dead. He was Saren, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Turian Turncoat

It is now Night Phase 9. You have until 7:00 PM EST Friday February 18th to get all PMs to Astil and Prophet

Well oh dear...
:eek:

[mjdgoldeneye]

Really? Your defense is going to rely on metagaming?

It's your turn to answer questions. Putting word in my mouth? Cute.

Pet may have been inactive, or he could have been active and asked to be replaced.

el
I was in a mafia game where I asked to be replaced, but I still sent in night actions because I had a power role.

To post takes time to read, catch up etc. But if you have scum buddies sending in your actions or making choices for you.... catch my drift?

You might want to rethink your defense...

What do you think is more likely: Petrija, a player with a track record of going MIA, simply never participated (backed up by the fact that she never posted) or she asked to be replaced? You can't be certain here, but look at the odds.

It's not your job to ignore my defense just because you don't like it. It's very selfish to dismiss someone and bury them without due process. This is merely one of my many many points. We have a long way to go, so get some snacks.

[gonvick]

When scum, I actually make a point to lie about as little as possible. In fact, someone recently said that if I died and was Team Rocket, that'd clear me. However, I did say that Petrija had been totally inactive. Can't I be cult and be telling the whole truth about everything else? That's not the only thing PP cherry-picked. He wasn't being logical, he was picking and choosing everything ti fit his idea.


So we agree that it's perfectly reasonable to think that you could be telling the truth about not being AoE aligned but be lying about your win condition?

So it's not really cherry picking an argument as one has nothing to do with the other. You saying something that nearly all scum say in every game is not really evidence that's being ignored. It's simply a claim that is either believed or not, regardless if a separate claim is believed or not.

Not sure why you were trying to tie the two things together and make it seem unreasonable to treat them differently. Even if every other point he's making is unreasonable, claiming that this one is makes you look scummy.


The lack of anything contradicting my claims is far more substantial.

Nothing that I've said about myself, which has been pulled up continuously at a moments notice, has been refuted.

My color, my targets, my alignment, what I said about Petrija, there are no culties in the graveyard, my character, my flavor.

I didn't provide any of that under duress and it was all voluntary and prompt. NOTHING can be pointed to as incorrect.

That's a lot of **** to make up and not get called on for 3 consecutive days.

What kind of strategy is coupling a mountain of irrefutable claims with what would otherwise be self-sabotage?


Just because nothing refutes it doesn't make it true. Scum often make claims that can't be refuted, that's sort of the idea. With nothing to corroborate your claims, all we have is your word. Not sure why you think not being caught in a lie is strong evidence that you haven't told one. Seems to me like it's a rather common occurrence in these games.


There's evidence that he wasn't a recruiter. His title and depiction in his death scene don't mesh with that idea. Plus, no one has come forward claiming to be a mason.

Nobody is claiming he was a recruiter in this game. He was in the last game, so when setting this game up, he would have made sense to be the recruiting mason, as it would be similar to his previous role, which seems to be the case for the other winners. It could be that his ability was changed, and the recruiting was given to someone else. But it seems equally reasonable that his ability was changed because there isn't any town recruiting included.

It's not conclusive, or even necessarily strong speculation, but it's not an unreasonable idea to consider.


I outed myself to support the idea of a cult KNOWING that I'm a recruiting mason. I AGREE that those sections of the write-up look like recruitments. However, they aren't me. If I knew they were me, it wouldn't make sense to draw attention to them.

Half the points about cults were brought up by me!

That argument might be stronger if it weren't for the previous game where you did exactly that as a cult leader. In that game you drew all sorts of attention to yourself with a recruiting mason claim, even pointing out who you had recruited. Claiming that you wouldn't do what you did in a previous game isn't exactly compelling.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Food for thought for the rest of you:

Has there ever been a recruiting mason group that wasnt a cult or later would turn into a cult?

Not a broken mason group where people had specific targets that thematically made sense, but just a generic "recruit every night" mason group?

I've failed to recruit a few people. Odds are, I have limits on who I can recruit. No one can know one way or the other, especially you.

Are you going to choose to NOT believe that I have limits, choose NOT to believe I've failed, and choose TO believe that I'm scum? If so, that's not fair.

[praguepride]

It's your turn to answer questions. Putting word in my mouth? Cute.



What do you think is more likely: Petrija, a player with a track record of going MIA, simply never participated (backed up by the fact that she never posted) or she asked to be replaced? You can't be certain here, but look at the odds.

It's not your job to ignore my defense just because you don't like it. It's very selfish to dismiss someone and bury them without due process. This is merely one of my many many points. We have a long way to go, so get some snacks.


OBJECTION!!!

Defense is speculating and metagaming. Unless a tracker can come forward and say "pet never targeted anyone" there is no way to prove she wasnt.

Meanwhile write ups clearly show an unexplained night activity that a reasonable person would conclude was a recruitment.

And I know you MJ. You mix 90% truth, 10% lie. So even if 99% of what you say is the truth, that pet was inactive, you targeted so and so, you havent recruited anyone etc.

All that can be true and you can still be a cult. Just one little lie about your win condition and you flip from town to scum.

Just like in Neo.

You told just one single lie, that you werent a cult.

[praguepride]

Also, point of order:

So far Fox is the only reprisal role with a different ability.

Let it be known that Fox's original role was that of a mason who died in the previous game, so it would be impossible for his role to exist without alteration.

Same thing with Cloud. His role was a mini-game to hunt a character that died. Again, impossible to cut and paste that into a new game.

Ganon's role has been cut & pasted in, but to a different character.



Discuss :D

[mjdgoldeneye]

So we agree that it's perfectly reasonable to think that you could be telling the truth about not being AoE aligned but be lying about your win condition?

So it's not really cherry picking an argument as one has nothing to do with the other. You saying something that nearly all scum say in every game is not really evidence that's being ignored. It's simply a claim that is either believed or not, regardless if a separate claim is believed or not.

Not sure why you were trying to tie the two things together and make it seem unreasonable to treat them differently. Even if every other point he's making is unreasonable, claiming that this one is makes you look scummy.

It isn't unreasonable to think that. However, he isn't making his point from the college of reason, he's making of from clown college... :p

He isn't differentiating between something like that and... everything else.

My point is that there's ways to question me. Throwing every random piece if information at me without regard for context or relevance makes any of your actual points irrelevant.

A broken watch is right twice a day, but you don't wear it anyway.

Just because nothing refutes it doesn't make it true. Scum often make claims that can't be refuted, that's sort of the idea. With nothing to corroborate your claims, all we have is your word. Not sure why you think not being caught in a lie is strong evidence that you haven't told one. Seems to me like it's a rather common occurrence in these games.

I just think the sheer volume of things I've said and how quickly and willingly that I've said them should at least imply some sort of goodwill.

You don't want to lynch people when you can't find any reason. I've given plenty of things with which you can retrieve reasons. No one has yet shot me down.

My goal is to stay ahead of those who DO have facts against them (or who haven't said anything at all).

Nobody is claiming he was a recruiter in this game. He was in the last game, so when setting this game up, he would have made sense to be the recruiting mason, as it would be similar to his previous role, which seems to be the case for the other winners. It could be that his ability was changed, and the recruiting was given to someone else. But it seems equally reasonable that his ability was changed because there isn't any town recruiting included.

It's not conclusive, or even necessarily strong speculation, but it's not an unreasonable idea to consider.

I do believe PP was at least trying to imply that. He hasn't given me a straight response because he'd rather plant the wrong idea.

If he didn't play in such a slippery way before, I wouldn't be so quick to paint him in such a light.

Also, we know of another role that wasn't the same and that was Fox (because of the write-up solely, do not consider my opinion or be mistaken in thinking I'm pushing it because that's just hearsay).

Actually, to be honest, I'm not sure what his role was in VG1. I simply don't recall it being a random facts guy role. I'm I'm wrong about that... well, swing and a miss.

That argument might be stronger if it weren't for the previous game where you did exactly that as a cult leader. In that game you drew all sorts of attention to yourself with a recruiting mason claim, even pointing out who you had recruited. Claiming that you wouldn't do what you did in a previous game isn't exactly compelling.

To be entirely honest, I don't remember that game at all. That's a pitiful justification, but there's historical evidence that my recollection of games lasts about 4 seconds. That's why I always make very few Scummy nominations of my own. That's why Derek always yells at me for not remembering events in previous games or even the current game. That's why I very often go on tirades against confirmed, outed players...

That doesn't mean I couldn't have done the same thing twice on accident (and, actually, considering I failed last time, it'd make more sense), but, sincerely, as a person, let me say that referring to my past games as explanation for my current actions is a folly. My memory is almost a disability. (Not in a oobie-woobie, feel sorry for me way, but definitely in a "How can he even play mafia?" way.) Disregard this as any sort of valid defense, but take note. Me has does not good think memory. :p

However, looking back, that game was fairly different anyway. I was placed in a terrible situation then and was just kind of winging it. In this game, I claimed willy-nilly with the direct purpose of either doing the town good or DIRECTLY foiling MYSELF. Ned was random flailing under duress.

[praguepride]

You're admitting to cherry-picking. Cherry-picking is an age old logical fallacy. Logical fallacies are not valid.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi

You claimed that you are Team Rocket Aligned (A)
You claimed that you are "town" aligned (B)


Now your conclusion is that A therefore B.
(You are team Rocket Aligned, so you are "town" aligned).


BUT the fallacy is that those two are not tied together. There is no proof that says If A then B. Nowhere can we prove that If you are Team Rocket Aligned, then you are town aligned.


This can be presented against ALL of your "cherry-picking" counterclaims. You are making an invalid assumption that IF you tell one (or many) truth, that you cannot lie.

And as any mafia player knows, that is about as wrong as you can get ;)

[mjdgoldeneye]

OBJECTION!!!

Defense is speculating and metagaming. Unless a tracker can come forward and say "pet never targeted anyone" there is no way to prove she wasnt.

I don't wish to prove. I'm not trying to hinge my defense on "proving" she never did anything. I'm simply trying to appeal the idea that she was probably replaced for the typical reason: inactivity.

It's one facet on a big diamond.

I'm just going for reasonable doubt.

Point is, you certainly can't say it's MORE likely that she was out every night, eh? Agreeing doesn't mean you trust me or my defense. It's simply the best guess at what probably happened.

Meanwhile write ups clearly show an unexplained night activity that a reasonable person would conclude was a recruitment.

Including me. That's why I tried to lynch Derek.

You can not disregard my actions. What if you lynched Derek?

You seem to think my strategy involves suggesting things and then having everyone ignore me... :p

Knowing how often people listen to me, that'd probably be an effective Batman Gambit/use of reverse psychology on my part, but is it really THAT feasible?

And I know you MJ. You mix 90% truth, 10% lie. So even if 99% of what you say is the truth, that pet was inactive, you targeted so and so, you havent recruited anyone etc.

All that can be true and you can still be a cult. Just one little lie about your win condition and you flip from town to scum.

Just like in Neo.

You told just one single lie, that you werent a cult.

THIS is what I was waiting for. Until now, you never sifted out the possibilities from the likelihoods and facts.

My real goal was to convince you to think I'm cult for the right reasons... :p

That way, if I die, I know it was the result of logic that just ended crummy for me and NOT spastic willpower.

[praguepride]

Whoops, quoted wrong wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy

[mjdgoldeneye]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignoratio_elenchi

You claimed that you are Team Rocket Aligned (A)
You claimed that you are "town" aligned (B)


Now your conclusion is that A therefore B.
(You are team Rocket Aligned, so you are "town" aligned).


BUT the fallacy is that those two are not tied together. There is no proof that says If A then B. Nowhere can we prove that If you are Team Rocket Aligned, then you are town aligned.


This can be presented against ALL of your "cherry-picking" counterclaims. You are making an invalid assumption that IF you tell one (or many) truth, that you cannot lie.

And as any mafia player knows, that is about as wrong as you can get ;)

That's not Ignoratio Elenchi, but if I was proposing what you suggest, at least it WOULD be a fallacy (of a different source).

However, what I said is that you're using ME as an authority to condemn ME. That suggests you trust me enough to make a decision. However, in turn, REFUTING me is your entire point.

It's like saying "As the wise Bob once said, 'Bob is not wise'".

[praguepride]

Basically, you are concluding that if you told a single truth that was in town's best interest, then you must ALWAYS have town's best interests in mind.

However, that is not a true statement. Forget the wiki.

You can tell a single truth and still be scum.
You can tell many truths and still be scum.
You can mix truth and lies and still be scum.

Actions determine scuminess, not intent. you are actively trying to recruit with no end in sight.

THAT is a scummy action.

Also note how nobody has posted an answer to my question before, about whether there has ever been a recruiting mason group like you described that was town aligned (i.e. not cult).

[praguepride]

It's like saying "As the wise Bob once said, 'Bob is not wise'".

If you follow philosophy, you would realize that what you said is not paradoxical nor is it fallacious.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Whoops, quoted wrong wiki:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_fallacy

This might work for your purposes:

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AssociationFallacy

All I know is that it's definitely somewhere on this page (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouFailLogicForever)...
:p

[mjdgoldeneye]

Actions determine scuminess, not intent. you are actively trying to recruit with no end in sight.

THAT is a scummy action.

How exactly? If I'm telling the truth, I'm recruiting in order to gain the ability to speak outside of the thread, not to change people's alignments.

Recruiting is not inherently scummy.

Also note how nobody has posted an answer to my question before, about whether there has ever been a recruiting mason group like you described that was town aligned (i.e. not cult).

As I said before, no one said I don't have limits. Seeing as I failed to recruit 3 times in a row, I tend to believe I have limits.

Recruiting masons with limits have existed. I've put them in games myself.

However, as has been proven often, precedence really has no bearing on what a mod will think up. I always hate it when people dismiss roles because they haven't existed before. Is creativity banned? :p

If you follow philosophy, you would realize that what you said is not paradoxical nor is it fallacious.

It depends on what sort of philosophy. If you're referring to Socrates, he was not wise because he was not wise, he was wise because he knew he knew nothing. (If that's what you're referring to.)

If someone is wise, they are deemed to have insight. Therefore, they'd be able to gauge the wisdom of others. If Bob is wise, he would know he was wise. Therefore he wouldn't say he was not wise (assuming he isn't lying...)

Maybe my example was bad. I'm going to let this one go. :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

Oh, uh, we lynched a good guy... That's worth noting.

Inactivity is bad, mmkay.

(Saren wouldn't have been in my ME game as he was dead already. I have no idea how the reworked game will be set-up, though.)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Also, pimping my game:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352633

Even though it's right there...

Join even if you have a "one game at a time" policy because my game won't start until these games are over. :D

[bak42]

Do any of you have opinions on the possible existence of a cult? Any ideas about what's going on in those sections of the write up if it isn't recruitment? Any ideas about why they stopped?I have no clue.

Food for thought for the rest of you:

Has there ever been a recruiting mason group that wasnt a cult or later would turn into a cult?

Not a broken mason group where people had specific targets that thematically made sense, but just a generic "recruit every night" mason group?

FF had the tactics army but that turned into a cult once they hit X people.

VG1, scum could recruit a few traitors

Neo: cult
Pokemon: ??? dont recall
HH2 it was a recruiting scum group

Thats all I can think of off the top of my head.Pokemon, Slowking.

Also, pimping my game:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=352633

Even though it's right there...

Join even if you have a "one game at a time" policy because my game won't start until these games are over. :D

Oh, in that case you can promote me from reserves to the main list.

[praguepride]

I have no clue.

Pokemon, Slowking.




That's a broken mason, they were intended to only find each other.

Same with the Griswalds, with the Big Lebowski guys in HH1 etc.


Broken Mason is not what MJD is claiming, he's claiming recruiting mason.

[JackalBane]

Oh, uh, we lynched a good guy... That's worth noting.

Inactivity is bad, mmkay.

(Saren wouldn't have been in my ME game as he was dead already. I have no idea how the reworked game will be set-up, though.)
A good guy with "Turncoat" in his description so...

[djthefunkchris]

A good guy with "Turncoat" in his description so...

I was thinking that myself, not sure if it means the obvious or not.

[JackalBane]

Video Game Mafia 2

Evilday 9

He had done some good work earlier for Axis of Eviltown. However his absence made him look suspicious to this newly rejuvenated town. It was unfortunate for all.

However one stood off in the distance, satisfied.

Midnightnick is dead. He was Saren, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Turian Turncoat

It is now Night Phase 9. You have until 7:00 PM EST Friday February 18th to get all PMs to Astil and Prophet
Hmmmmm....

Who would be satisfied that the Turncoat died?

Better question: Is this a turncoat for town... or for scum?

[praguepride]

Hmmmmm....

Who would be satisfied that the Turncoat died?

Better question: Is this a turncoat for town... or for scum?

This sounds like a mini-game to me... who would be pleased with Saren's death?

[Derek B]

First of all, apologies for not being around much in the last 24 hours. Had a bit of a lame day yesterday, with the lamest things being losing my save game in Pokemon that had about 8 months of play in it. Very lame. Anywho...

Hmmmmm....

Who would be satisfied that the Turncoat died?

Better question: Is this a turncoat for town... or for scum?

This sounds like a mini-game to me... who would be pleased with Saren's death?

http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Saren_Arterius

I've not read all the way through but that looks like the character we're looking at. Given that it's Mass Effect, MJD is probably the best person to ask for a short version of it. I don't have much time to read through it myself and I've never played the games, so hopefully someone will read it and give me the TL;DR version. :)

I'm expecting to have less kills tonight since Tommy Cornell (Arrows) died last night. Hopefully that means that something good happens, like the "pew" person blocking/protecting (probably blocking) the other kill again since I'm surprised that the lid came off that killer.

[praguepride]

@derek: sounds like when my xbox HD crashed and I lost hundreds of hours across my fallout games :(

[Derek B]

@derek: sounds like when my xbox HD crashed and I lost hundreds of hours across my fallout games :(

Yeah, I lost about 250 hours I think. Though I'm sure a lot of those were probably times when I'd left it on and was doing other stuff. I'm heading out so gonna leave with...

Comradebot has been posting on the site again, hoping he'll check in here shortly. Need information from you big guy, take your pick of what level to go to, the higher the better. :)

+ Full Claim
+ Partial Claim (abilities or character)
+ Strong Hints
+ Weak Hints (where you are now)
+ Nothing (IE: lynch me now :p)

[mjdgoldeneye]

A good guy with "Turncoat" in his description so...

Hmmmmm....

Who would be satisfied that the Turncoat died?

Better question: Is this a turncoat for town... or for scum?

Saren was a good guy (though, probably chaotic good seeing as he was a Turian Spectre), but was indoctrinated by a Reaper (which I can best describe shortly as a race of Cthulhu's in the form of techno-biotic, squid-like space ships... It makes sense in context...).

He was the main villain in ME1 and the game starts with him going rogue (and killing another Spectre, with a Spectre being kind of being what James Bond or Jack Bauer is, but on behalf of the galaxy.)

I suggested Sovereign (the Reaper that indoctrinated him) as a possible cult leader way back. However, Saren is listed as having turned and isn't cult, so that kills that idea.

tl;dr

He turned to OUR side. He used to be good.

[JackalBane]

Saren was a good guy (though, probably chaotic good seeing as he was a Turian Spectre), but was indoctrinated by a Reaper (which I can best describe shortly as a race of Cthulhu's in the form of techno-biotic, squid-like space ships... It makes sense in context...).

He was the main villain in ME1 and the game starts with him going rogue (and killing another Spectre, with a Spectre being kind of being what James Bond or Jack Bauer is, but on behalf of the galaxy.)

I suggested Sovereign (the Reaper that indoctrinated him) as a possible cult leader way back. However, Saren is listed as having turned and isn't cult, so that kills that idea.

tl;dr

He turned to OUR side. He used to be good.
So.... did he know who was in the Syndicate? Does this mean there's only one Syndicate member left?

[JackalBane]

So.... did he know who was in the Syndicate? Does this mean there's only one Syndicate member left?
Either that or there's an indy in the wings that we don't know about.

[mjdgoldeneye]

So.... did he know who was in the Syndicate? Does this mean there's only one Syndicate member left?

Saren wasn't relevant in Mass Effect until he was indoctrinated.

I meant he turned bad in the game and that's where his title comes from. There is no reason to believe he started this game as a good guy (scum to us) and then changed sides.

In the game, the indoctrination process started well before the start of the game. The game starts right as he's beginning to openly aid the Reaper cause. A Spectre is sent to track him down, and then the player character has to follow behind because (not to the knowledge of the people in charge but apparent to the player character), Saren kills the guy they sent to tail him.

A lot of the game is built around your character trying to convince the galactic government that Saren has gone rogue and that the Reapers are coming.

Saren was a good guy at some point in the game universe. He was never a good guy in the game itself.

tl;dr

Saren was always Axis of Eviltown in this game. Either way, he wouldn't know who the Syndicate included because that's all people from the TEW stable. I don't think the other Syndicate member is the last scum either way.

[Astil]

Night Phase is Over

[Tha Black Phenom]

Hehe.

[Astil]

Video Game Mafia 2

Night 9

There was a commotion, a thief. He couldn't get back in time. Alas.

***

He moved to try to advance the Operation. However, someone else had other ideas. As the man advanced he heard the click of a gun being readied.

BANG.

MJDGoldeneye would never even get the Operation started.

***

He walked away from his target, knowing that he would be a help to this shell of what it used to be town. Derek_b was lost in thought, so he didn't see his killer taking pleasure in the attack.

It was over in a flash.

***

He could do nothing more for this town. He sat at his lair, waiting for the end. That may be why when JMan2k3 heard his killer walk in he made no move. Or it could be that his transport had run out of batteries. Whatever the case his killer stuck the blade in.

As he turned to leave, he noticed something. A dagger. The Black Phenom grabbed it and suddenly sands swirled around him. Almost as if rewarding him for a job well done, the sand responded to his wishes.

TheKenwyne appeared before him.

They both felt weird and in a second only sand remained where they stood.

***

Tha Black Phenom has won. He was The Prince, JUSTICE Aligned Prince
TheKenwyne has won. He was Elika, Persia Aligned Princess

The game shall continue.

Jman2k3 is dead. He was Dr. Robotnik, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Eggman
Derek_b is dead. He was Riku, Axis of Eviltown Aligned Black Heart
MJDGoldeneye is dead. He was Albert Wesker, Umbrella Aligned Plotter

[Astil]

It is now Evilday 10. With 12 remaining, majority is 7. You have until 6:00 PM EST Sunday February 20th to reach majority

[Waghlon]

Umbrella Aligned Plotter?


Oh.



Poo.

[Astil]

All PMs should be out.

[Derek B]

Win it for meeeeeee........ and Bowser! :cool:

[Astil]

Front page should be good.

[Tha Black Phenom]

BOO-YAH!

Y'see? Turns out you won't need us after all.

:cool:

Adios and semper fi, gentlemen. Maybe I'll turn back time in the next chapter.

[Astil]

SmartBomb has replaced Comradebot

[gonvick]

Wasn't sure we could rally a lynch on MJD, so I'm glad that was taken care of at least.

Seems the alternating SK theory was incorrect. Vesperia and Speedy look to be responsible for the kills.

So, onto today.

Vote: MichiganHero

I'll start here for now. It didn't work last day phase, but maybe we can get some kind of response. At the very least, I had him down as more likely scum than MNN or C-Bot. So for the silent players, he's the one I'd still rather start with.

But I don't want that to be the only focus for today.

Paws: Any results from the last two night phases?

DWW: Still curious about that additional info you learned. Not sure if it's better to throw it out there at this point, but if we aren't going to get any cooperation, I'm also not sure if keeping it quiet helps.

Trypio: Can I get a recap of your nightly activities so far?

Smartbomb: C-Bot wasn't cooperative, so I'd like to learn something about you.

+ Full Claim
+ Partial Claim
+ Strong Hints
+ Weak Hints
+ Nothing

Pick one and share.

The Two: Have you been doing anything to help us out? You were at least willing to answer questions earlier. Anything more you can share? If you're not going to be around to help us find scum, perhaps you can give us a reason to focus elsewhere?

I'd also like to hear people's opinions on trypio.

[d_w_w]

Gonvick - have you appeared in any write-ups lately? I had some notes down on you from your predecessor and I thought they clearly suggested something, but I'm thinking I was either wrong or something, b/c I haven't seen a character like that in the write-ups.

Regarding my "tidbit" of information. It's about MH. Normally, it makes me think like 70/30 town (there are scum explanations for this as well), but in this case, I'm a little less certain. The details of what someone else claims make it hard to make sense of.... I'm not sure if that helps decide whether or not the info should be public or not.

[praguepride]

****-berries, I was frickin right!


CUUUUUULLLT!!!!!

Also, my notes are severely lacking for C-bot and MH.


Gonvick's pursuing MH, I'll go the other route:


Vote: Smartbomb

I know you just started but after losing 4 people last phase we really need to get this straightened out fast!

[JackalBane]

3. MichiganHero
6. BlueStar -> Gonvick
10. see: Praguepride
11. paws7297
12. DJtheFunkChris
14. The Two
17. bak42
21. Waghlon
22. trypio
24. Sazzita -> D_w_w
28. COMRADBOT!!!!!!!! -> Smartbomb
33. Rabbitman -> Jackalbane

So, it appears we are down to a tight-nit few. 12 players left. I think it's time to really examine who's who.

Vote: Smartbomb

Sorry, guy, but we need answers.

[Prophet]

It is now Evilday 10. With 12 remaining, majority is 7. You have until 6:00 PM EST Sunday February 20th to reach majority

MichiganHero - 1 (Gonvick)

Smartbomb - 2 (praguepride, JackalBane)

If you happen to see any mistakes, wave your hand in front of your face, and repeat after me ... "this is not the vote you're looking for."

[SmartBomb]

Can't I ever get a break? :(

Ah, what do you expect.

I'm Nightmare. From Soulcalibur/Soul Edge. Randomly protects or roleblocks his target.

C-Bot targeted derek N1, Destiny N4, MNN N5 before he went inactive.

[gonvick]

Gonvick - have you appeared in any write-ups lately? I had some notes down on you from your predecessor and I thought they clearly suggested something, but I'm thinking I was either wrong or something, b/c I haven't seen a character like that in the write-ups.

Regarding my "tidbit" of information. It's about MH. Normally, it makes me think like 70/30 town (there are scum explanations for this as well), but in this case, I'm a little less certain. The details of what someone else claims make it hard to make sense of.... I'm not sure if that helps decide whether or not the info should be public or not.

Assuming I've understood you correctly, I'd rather hear from him first about it, but he doesn't seem to want to speak up. I'm leaning towards a scum explanation for your info. Heavily leaning.

Not sure what you had my predecessor down as, so I can't speak to whether you were wrong or not. If I have to, I can point to myself in a write up, but would rather not do so yet.

[djthefunkchris]

Ok, well Smartbomb was replaced. What about The Two? Is there a reason we never persue him (now that we know who's side Derek was on).

[praguepride]

I hav him down as someone but no idea what the ability would be. T2, kan you clarify a bit?

[gonvick]

Ok, well Smartbomb was replaced. What about The Two? Is there a reason we never persue him (now that we know who's side Derek was on).

He did respond to earlier questions. He gave out some generic info about the game he's from, but I haven't put anything together about it.

I'd certainly like to hear from him soon.

[gonvick]

Ok, well Smartbomb was replaced. What about The Two? Is there a reason we never persue him (now that we know who's side Derek was on).

Any thoughts on Trypio's claim?

[djthefunkchris]

Any thoughts on Trypio's claim?

His or the other one?

I haven't made up my mind which one, both, or neither to be honest. It's why I brought up The Two. Less of a gamble I think. I must have missed a real hint somewhere, because I can't remember it if he did post something relevant... like how many people he has killed so far:cool:

[djthefunkchris]

I hav him down as someone but no idea what the ability would be. T2, kan you clarify a bit?

I swear it looks like your posting in between getting shot at all the time...

[djthefunkchris]

I keep getting that Internet error when trying to post or just get to this sight period... ALOT lately. Is it just me?

[bak42]

I keep getting that Internet error when trying to post or just get to this sight period... ALOT lately. Is it just me?

If you mean a 500 error, it's not just you.