~1997 "Montreal Screwjob" V1.0 Official Release~

[Genadi]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/Costnaza9/screwjob_1997montreal1.jpg

Version 1.1

Just like every other TEW release I mod a few of my favourties, all of WWF, WCW & ECW have had their rosters revised and edited and also most of the big name independents. Also just like in '07 any wrestlers you guys want included just let me know, enjoy :)

Promotions: 31
Workers: 681

Data:http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y0OWXM13

Graphics:http://rapidshare.com/files/121382074/Graphics.zip.html

Belts and people aren't included in the file as the files are pretty big and ones from '07 or 0'05 can be used. Anyone who doesn't have the ones from past TEW's you can still download them at....

http://www.bobinc.net/TEW05Downloads.html

[KeyserSoze]

http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g55/Costnaza9/screwjob_1997montreal1.jpg

Version 1.0 & BETA

Just like every other TEW release I mod a few of my favourties, all of WWF, WCW & ECW have had there rosters revised and edited and also most of the big name independents. Also just like in '07 any wrestlers you guys want included just let me know, enjoy :)

Promotions: 31
Workers: 681

Data: http://rapidshare.com/files/121379198/Data.zip.html

Graphics:http://rapidshare.com/files/121382074/Graphics.zip.html

Belts and people aren't included in the file as the files are pretty big and ones from '07 or 0'05 can be used. Anyone who doesn't have the ones from past TEW's you can still download them at....

http://www.bobinc.net/TEW05Downloads.html


You are cool!

Thanks:D:D

[Gabriel]

How much of this is done and converted? I mean, I know it was an 07 mod, but has everything been touched up and converted so it runs properly on 08 already?

If so, that's freakin' awesome.

[Genadi]

How much of this is done and converted? I mean, I know it was an 07 mod, but has everything been touched up and converted so it runs properly on 08 already?

If so, that's freakin' awesome.

..all of WWF, WCW & ECW have had their rosters revised and edited and also most of the big name independents

;) Runs fine with '08 although obviously outside of the U.S will still be a little dodgy due to me not having the time to get to it yet. From the few games and many sims we've ran it plays well though. The new elements added to '08 are perfect for this era.

[The Shape]

Looking very good, nice work :cool:

[Johnny Fenoli]

what is left to be added and or converted?

[gazwefc83]

thanks dude just had a quick look at the graphics and you might want to redo the promotion logos they are the old size of 100x100 so they look all streched in the game

[Big D]

Could someone please upload this somewhere else? the new security codes on Rapidshare are starting to piss me off.

[The Bus]

This is looking good, but a few more promotions and quite some more wrestlers would make this mod look very good.

[Chriswok]

Could someone please upload this somewhere else? the new security codes on Rapidshare are starting to piss me off.

Agreed, I can never work out what letter that damn cat is on lol

[Von Dozier]

Awesome, will be playing this :)

And hopefully a new 1RC soon :D

[Rams]

Fantastic! You really updated a lot including potential even for workers who haven't debuted yet.

The one area I noticed needed work was injuries but that can easily be fixed by dropping in the injury file from the default (C-Verse) data.

Great job and thank you.

[darthsiddus2]

Could someone please upload this somewhere else? the new security codes on Rapidshare are starting to piss me off.

I'm not getting security codes on rapisdshare still says Happy Hour :D

[chefboyrdz]

I am liking it a lot as I did with 07 but I am playing WCW and drug tested the whole roster knowing I would have a few but to my surprise I got over hlaf the roster that seems a little high but other then that it is going good.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Same thing with WWF, I did random drug tests to like 10-15 guys, and got like 8 suspensions....

Also I noticed Chainz, 8Ball, and Skull all have occult gimmicks, I belive it is, whatever it is, it's wrong.

I'm having fun playing regardless!

Thanks Chris!

[D16NJD16]

If nothing else, that drug test is actually probably accurate considering what has come out recently about the business.

[Johnny Fenoli]

thats true.... if i never test them, then they wont fail and get suspended.... just like real life at the time huh?

[D16NJD16]

Yes except those damn guys like Scott Hall and Jake Roberts who seem to have 9 lives can never be accurately simulated

[Von Dozier]

One thing I noticed, all the PPV carriers have their risk levels set to Low, which means you can't do anything more than a normal match. Now I can't have a PPV as ECW :(

[Carl1000000]

I believe Skull, 8-Ball, Chainz and Crush are all ment to have biker gimmicks (as they're in the DOA at this time, Disyples of Apocalipse), and I'm certain they're faces at this stage. They took on the Truth Commision at Survivor Series, who were definately the heels in that match.

[rodzillahotrod]

Could someone please upload this somewhere else? the new security codes on Rapidshare are starting to piss me off.

its very easy the cats r bigger then the dogs. also if u still can't figure it out it has happy hours which is usually 6pm to 1200am est and u don't have to type in the code.

[Harmor]

Hi. Thanks for the mod, data looks solid so far. I have a problem putting the pictures in though. When I was checking the game, no pictures showed up for anyone so I went into the editor and to my surprise, only pics from the default data were available to select. It is like the dataset can't find the pictures I added (belts, ppl, networks etc) ... it works with the other mods I have thought. Any idea what's wrong anyone?

[Blasphemywebleed]

You have to go into the editor and select the correct pic folder for the mod.

[Harmor]

You have to go into the editor and select the correct pic folder for the mod.

Oh .. so far I've used converted mods from 07 which is why I guess that escaped me so far. Edit: Never mind, found it ^^ ... it is however an option that is quite well hidden in the editor, couldn't find it in quite a while >_<

[The Shape]

Gimmick ratings seem a bit off...SO many A*s in WWF...understandable with Austin/DX but not with the New Age Outlaws, heh.

[Harmor]

Me again >_< ... I got a question for the mod makers: I take it the potential rating means how much the worker will improve from his initial ratings going forward, right?

[Rams]

Me again >_< ... I got a question for the mod makers: I take it the potential rating means how much the worker will improve from his initial ratings going forward, right?

It has an effect on the stat ceiling and the hidden destiny stat.

In other words a worker with a high potential rating has a better chance to be a great worker but it's not guaranteed.

[ScottishRaven]

I made this banner for WCW if anyone wants to use it feel free


http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k167/Kenny_K_Kaos/WCW.jpg

and one for the WWF

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k167/Kenny_K_Kaos/WWF.jpg


i know they aint very good before someone points it out

[KaceCC]

Might I ask why anyone still uses rapidshare, when it has the most mind-bogglingly confusing verification methods?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Sweet, I need a new mod to break this baby in with.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

You have reached the limit for Free users. Would you like to download more?
Become a Premium member now! The download will be available shortly! Alternatively you can wait 57 minutes.

You can start the download again and choose premium, if you have already a premium account.

Is anybody else getting this mesage when they try to download the data?

[darthsiddus2]

nope I guess for us U.S users its a no limit download or something but it still says its happy hour for me

[Nachtfalter]

Thanks a lot, Carlito, you really are as cool as your name would suggest ;)

Your 1997 mod was the one I played the most with TEW07 and it'll likely be the most frequented in 08 as well, mainly because I love that era in wrestling. Thanks, thanks and thanks again!

[gazwefc83]

the main problem with this is it doesnt look as if its even been run by run otherwise i wouldnt get the error report at the start telling me shane and stephanie mcmahon have contracts and are not currently active

[Johnny Fenoli]

the main problem with this is it doesnt look as if its even been run by run otherwise i wouldnt get the error report at the start telling me shane and stephanie mcmahon have contracts and are not currently active

didnt get that error message...

[Lars34]

didnt get that error message...

Yeah I got it, I had to just go in and change it before I could even start.

[gazwefc83]

its easy to fix but my point is that the creator must not have even tested this before release

[davidEFC]

I never got that message either.

[Rocksta]

Anyone else notice that a couple pictures aren't assigned even with the pic pack connected. Such as Flair, Triple H, Rock and Austin. Is there an auto fix to this or do I just have to add them manually.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Is there anywhere else to download this? I cant get past the security question for the life of me.

[Von Dozier]

Anyone else notice that a couple pictures aren't assigned even with the pic pack connected. Such as Flair, Triple H, Rock and Austin. Is there an auto fix to this or do I just have to add them manually.

I did them manually. Also had to add pics from other packs.

[Fleisch]

Anyone got this upload anywhere else? I've attempted the download 8 or 9 times now and the bloody cat images are not that easy to see! I can upload it to my site if I can get a copy of the data. I'd be extremely grateful to anyone who does this as I loved this scenario on 2007!

[Blasphemywebleed]

its easy to fix but my point is that the creator must not have even tested this before release

I never received that error either.

[Genadi]

but my point is that the creator must not have even tested this before release

*Sigh* Of course, because that's the only way that could've happened. I made a few changes just before release to new workers and forget about their contracts, over 5 people played and tested the data a week before release. The flame baiters on these boards are almost as bad as the porn spammers :rolleyes:

I probably won't be updating this soon as I've already started working like mad on an updated 1RC data, sorry if anyone's really into it atm and is waiting on an update. A few people worked on this without me last year and they're welcome to do so again. Thanks for all the feedback and nice comments guys glad you enjoy :)

[Von Dozier]

I probably won't be updating this soon as I've already started working like mad on an updated 1RC data

:eek: Awesome

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

Which picture packs need to be downloaded to work with this mod?

[Von Dozier]

Which picture packs need to be downloaded to work with this mod?

I cherry-picked some stuff out of the KyKy packs on bobinc.net

[Genadi]

The link in the main thread will take you to the Bobinc page with the old pic pack, I didn't upload it again as it's the exact same file which will work with TEW'08. If there are any problems uploading it let me know I'll see what I can do.

[Fleisch]

Right, I hope you don't mind Carlito but I have uploaded the data to my site for anyone else who struggles seeing the cats on rapidshare. Here is the direct link.

http://www.salemspryde.co.uk/M97Data.zip

[Genadi]

Right, I hope you don't mind Carlito but I have uploaded the data to my site for anyone else who struggles seeing the cats on rapidshare. Here is the direct link.

http://www.salemspryde.co.uk/M97Data.zip

Mind? I appreciate it mate, thanks heaps! :)

[alanreao]

Ugh, rapidshare.

Not a bad mod, but some people have way more popularity than they should. Booker T and Stevie Ray are not main event guys, neither is Ahmed Johnson.

[The Shape]

To be fair ahmed mainly gets auto-put there because of his size and style.

[keon]

Can someone zip the graphic files also? Because I didn't even know rapidshare became such a bitch :mad:

[bobinc]

Can someone zip the graphic files also? Because I didn't even know rapidshare became such a bitch :mad:

Lately I keep hitting them up at what they call "happy hour" which means no codes just right to downloads.

[LNK-]

ECW folded in my game around October or November of 1998 and WCW is on the verge of folding also. Should be interesting as I'm playing with ROH that I opened at the beginning of the game.

[rodzillahotrod]

hey just to let everyone know CarlitoCoool let me upload his mod since i have account and it will not be deleted so heres so new links

http://rapidshare.com/files/121662775/1997_MONTREAL_SCREWJOB__by_Carlito_Cool.rar.html
http://rapidshare.com/files/121664770/1997_MONTREAL_SCREWJOB__by_Carlito_Cool.zip.html

i made 2 ones a rar and the others a zip :D it includes everything, the mod and all the pics

[BIGJOSH]

Is anyone else having attendance problems?

When I book a show it says that I should expect like 20,000 so I book a big arena and then only have 4,000 attend...really weird...anyone having this problem?

[ritwik]

Is anyone else having attendance problems?

When I book a show it says that I should expect like 20,000 so I book a big arena and then only have 4,000 attend...really weird...anyone having this problem?



I think this was fixed in a patch, check the tech support forum.

[sprinklefurball]

I think ECW has too little money they seem to die in 1998, no matter what...where in real life, they die in 01

[D16NJD16]

I think ECW has too little money they seem to die in 1998, no matter what...where in real life, they die in 01

For the record 1997-1998, was the best financial state ECW was in during its history, which isnt saying much, but its saying something, with 1999 being the highest revenue grossing

[Wildcat]

One big problem is that every PPV carrier has very low risk which means you can't do anything other than normal matches on PPV.

[shamelessposer]

I think ECW has too little money they seem to die in 1998, no matter what...where in real life, they die in 01

And WCW really shouldn't be on the verge of closing in 1998. That was their biggest year.

[troy10]

In my game WCW fell to cult in the year 2000, pretty accurate portrayel. Paul Heyman just took over the book from Easy E.

I would suggest giving ECW more money, but not by muc because TEW can't properly simulate workers accepting not getting paid.

[D16NJD16]

In my game WCW fell to cult in the year 2000, pretty accurate portrayel.

But it shouldnt be from lack of money, it would have to be from legendarily poor booking and money management skills.

[R0CKSTAR]

But it shouldnt be from lack of money, it would have to be from legendarily poor booking and money management skills.

...Did you just say ECW had legendarily bad booking?! You're right on with the money management... but bad booking? Come on, D16. Hopefully I read that wrong. :p

[D16NJD16]

...Did you just say ECW had legendarily bad booking?! You're right on with the money management... but bad booking? Come on, D16. Hopefully I read that wrong. :p

WCW bro, WCW.

[R0CKSTAR]

OOOooooh. In that case, yes. Booking that truly reeked. However, I enjoyed WCW immensely from 94 to 98. I was also 8 years old in 94, so I really didn't have much taste. LoL.

[D16NJD16]

Take a look at Heymans booking ability once the my 90's mod comes out and youll see just how highly I think of his pure booking ability.

[BYU 14]

Take a look at Heymans booking ability once the my 90's mod comes out and youll see just how highly I think of his pure booking ability.

Agreed, Paul E may be one of the best ever.

[Brak]

I'm having trouble with the pictures. In the editor I try to assign pictures to the workers, but the folder that is assigned to the database is the Cornelleverse for some reason. How do I assign a new folder? I already created a folder for the database but I can't figure out how to assign it.

[Ransik]

So I decide to try this mod on the Trial version....

First thing I do is a drug test.

Why in the world is EVERYONE in WCW on steroids?! I literally have EVERY active worker on a failed drug test!

[Johnny Fenoli]

So I decide to try this mod on the Trial version....

First thing I do is a drug test.

Why in the world is EVERYONE in WCW on steroids?! I literally have EVERY active worker on a failed drug test!

something in the water?

[Ransik]

I dunno... but apparently The Nasty Boys... who don't have an ounce of muscles are roid freaks... so is Elizabeth and Dean Malenko.

Something's not right with all of that. I counted and every wrestler and manager tested positive... only ones that didn't were officials and refs and I don't think they get tested.

[Johnny Fenoli]

did they all fail for steroids? or just failed tests period, soft drugs, hard drugs, and steroids?

[Serson Person]

i'm glad you did Roderick Strong, Austin Aries, Danielson and a lot of ROH boys up!! :) unfortunately WWC stole CM Punk before we (ECW) could get him... grrr.... thank god RVD and Dreamer are loyal

[Ransik]

I'd say 90% were steroids, I only saw 4 or 5 on just drugs. I know Chavo, Kidman & Raven were only on drugs... but most of the roster on steroids is very unrealistic.

[troy10]

For the person who said WCW shouldn't be going down to cult due to lack of money, that is exactly true and WCW still has $166,483,035, which is by far and away the most any promotion has (not to mention a good $70 million more than the WWF).

[gazwefc83]

is this going to be updated?

[Genadi]

Maybe

[CW Saton]

Maybe

I've been adding some updates to this mod myself, as I was under the impression that you had done with it.

Can I make some suggestions? Alternatively I could just send you what I've done and you could have a look?

It's just cosmetic changes really, a few historical inaccuracies, a few new workers and teams and some stat changes. I had just been working through it a bit at a time.

[Genadi]

I've been adding some updates to this mod myself, as I was under the impression that you had done with it.

Can I make some suggestions? Alternatively I could just send you what I've done and you could have a look?

It's just cosmetic changes really, a few historical inaccuracies, a few new workers and teams and some stat changes. I had just been working through it a bit at a time.

Sure, thanks mate.

[jeven3176]

I've been playing this for a while as WWF and have been experiencing something interesting. Shawn Michaels, who has good skills all around in the mod, can't get an angle over a C+ though most of the time it's C- and no matter who he is involved in an angle with the rating is always just in the C's. I just started feuding him with Austin and any interview in which Austin talks about him drags down to the low C's. Shawn's popularity is still mostly A's in the US. Any other feud I've had with lesser talented people hasn't experienced this. I edited his reputation and that didn't help. Has anyone else had this happen or something similar?

[ritwik]

I've been playing this for a while as WWF and have been experiencing something interesting. Shawn Michaels, who has good skills all around in the mod, can't get an angle over a C+ though most of the time it's C- and no matter who he is involved in an angle with the rating is always just in the C's. I just started feuding him with Austin and any interview in which Austin talks about him drags down to the low C's. Shawn's popularity is still mostly A's in the US. Any other feud I've had with lesser talented people hasn't experienced this. I edited his reputation and that didn't help. Has anyone else had this happen or something similar?

You may be facing the same issue that Nevermore is facing with his ECW game with Raven. Check his thread called "product help" in the general discussions forum. Nobody has yet been able to figure this out to the best of my knowledge ...

[iMac]

I'm using this mod to do a dynasty just now and when I was testing I was also getting the thing with Michaels never getting higher than C+.

As stated elsewhere, it's about the WWF's product and the fans not liking risky gimmicks. Shawn Michaels is using the Degenerate gimmick, which is rated A for Risk.

You need to either change Shawn's gimmick (and the others who have risky gimmicks) or change the WWF's product if you want to see the ratings Michaels' skills and popularity deserve.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I'm using this mod to do a dynasty just now and when I was testing I was also getting the thing with Michaels never getting higher than C+.

As stated elsewhere, it's about the WWF's product and the fans not liking risky gimmicks. Shawn Michaels is using the Degenerate gimmick, which is rated A for Risk.

You need to either change Shawn's gimmick (and the others who have risky gimmicks) or change the WWF's product if you want to see the ratings Michaels' skills and popularity deserve.

yeah, was getting the same thing... It's been killing my build to wrestlemania.... I had no idea about the gimmick thing, thanks iMac


EDIT: I can not for the life of me get a product setup where they'd like risky gimmicks... Anyone have success at this?

[jeven3176]

I'm using this mod to do a dynasty just now and when I was testing I was also getting the thing with Michaels never getting higher than C+.

As stated elsewhere, it's about the WWF's product and the fans not liking risky gimmicks. Shawn Michaels is using the Degenerate gimmick, which is rated A for Risk.

You need to either change Shawn's gimmick (and the others who have risky gimmicks) or change the WWF's product if you want to see the ratings Michaels' skills and popularity deserve.

Is there any reason why the Degenerate gimmick would not be hurting Triple H's interviews and matches? He seems to be having no problems with it unlike Shawn.

And Fenoli I also couldn't get a product where they'd like risky gimmicks.

[sprinklefurball]

It's because Michaels is too old for the gimmick, I believe...

[Johnny Fenoli]

It's because Michaels is too old for the gimmick, I believe...

He's 32 in the game. What's considered old for the gimmick? It's marked except for old, but what is OLD? Damn, I'll be 31 in a month, am I too old to join DX?.... there goes that dream! :(

[sprinklefurball]

Oh...nevermind...I was thinking about the gimmick wrong...I didn't know the setting for age.

[jeven3176]

To update the Shawn situation a little. I made a new gimmick for Shawn a watered down degenerate one so the risk levels wouldn't hurt him. I also changed the gimmick to allow any age. So I make the change and his interviews and angles dropped down to a D+. His momentum is a B still and he is not losing any overness. This whole thing has me dumbfounded really.

[iMac]

OK guys I will explain how I handled this in my game. Again there is no magic formula, as so many variables happen, from the gimmick you choose to the angle you choose to debut it in etc...

This is what I did, it worked for me, but no promises it'll work for you.

OK, first, I didn't change the product. I couldn't seem to strike the right balance to make the fans appreciate risky gimmicks, and it seems like others have that problem too.

What I did do however is change Shawn's gimmick. He was rated at A* for C*cky and A for Cool and Wholesome. Since he is meant to be a heel, I ruled out Wholesome.

I chose a C*cky gimmick called "Show Stealer". It's rated A for babyfaces and heels, but it is rated F- for Risk. It seemed to do the trick for my game. His promos were higher and the fans seemed more receptive to it.

Again guys, that is only what I did in my game. Variables between my game and yours will no doubt be different, so I can't gurantee this'll work for you.

And remember, if you've changed his gimmick in your game you'll need to wait a while (was 6 months in 07 so that's what I'm going for in 08) before you change the gimmick again.

I hope that helps. That's what I believed the problem to be and that's what I did to fix it. If it doesn't work for you then sorry guys, can only say what was going on my end.

[CW Saton]

1997 Montreal Screwjob update. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=GIXKN21D)

Here is my version of the data, with suggested changes and a few edits of my own.

I've changes a few dispositions, stats and popularity here and there, and I've corrected a few historical inaccuracies. I have also padded out Japan somewhat with the addition of some extra wrestlers.

Please let me know what you think and feel free to suggest any additional changes.

[Genadi]

Thanks CW, main link has been updated with the the new update.

[darthsiddus2]

1997 Montreal Screwjob update. (http://www.megaupload.com/?d=Y0OWXM13)

Here is my version of the data, with suggested changes and a few edits of my own.

I've changes a few dispositions, stats and popularity here and there, and I've corrected a few historical inaccuracies. I have also padded out Japan somewhat with the addition of some extra wrestlers.

Please let me know what you think and feel free to suggest any additional changes.

you may not want to include your saved game... unless its a good one *wink*

[Zero]

did anyone change up the steriod problem, i think everyone its really high in the steriod statistic

[bobinc]

you may not want to include your saved game... unless its a good one *wink*

They also very much so bloat the download size *wink* ;) *wink*

[CW Saton]

They also very much so bloat the download size *wink* ;) *wink*

I've updated the link with the save game removed.

[ritwik]

did anyone change up the steriod problem, i think everyone its really high in the steriod statistic


Actually I've modified the data quite heavily before starting a new game with the WCW. In a nutshell I've done the following:

-> Adjusted steroids/soft drug/hard drug/drinking habits of a LOT of workers.
-> Adjusted a LOT of skill and popularity levels - these basically had to be brought down in the vast majority of the cases because they were set too high.
-> Corrected the problem of every ppv carrier having risk set to "low"
-> messed around with TV networks etc to adjust little issues which hampered gameplay during testing
-> Set a lot of workers' potential levels to random - I didn't want Lance storm's potential set to low [as an example] because I'd probably want to make something of him in my game. This adds much to the gameplay because in my opinion the point of starting a game in a historical setting is to try and do things your way - which gets hampered if the mod tries to mimic reality about things that happened SUBSEQUENT to 1997 [like Storm not becoming a superstar].
-> Corrected the issue of far too many workers' gimmicks being rated at A*.
-> Added photos [not all of the correct historical period] of quite a lot of workers.
-> Made WWF the No.1 promotion in the world whereas WCW are the leaders in America, which I think better represents reality circa 1997.
-> Adjusted importance levels of some game locations - leads to a better result during simming.
-> Adjusted North American wrestling industry to start at "medium and rising" instead of "high and rising" because during testing I discovered that in case of the latter the industry starts falling in 1998 itself - which is not realistic. The way I've adjusted it the industry will rise till about 1999 [or a little later] and start falling very slowly from then on.
-> lots of other bits and pieces I don't even remember. I gave several hours over 4 days to make the mod what I wanted it to be [at least as far as the US/Canada wrestling scene is concerned]. I tried simming through 2 years in the game and the results were pretty decent - the WCW goes down [inspite of the hugely talented roster; but they don't immediately fall to cult as was happening before but stick around the global/international range for longer], WWF go up and make a pile of money etc.


Please don't get me wrong - I am not trying to prove that I am better than the original mod maker or something of the sort. I thank him for making a good mod of my favourite period in all of wrestling. But I just took the liberty to do a few things which make the gameplay better at least as far as I am concerned.

Even with all the time spent on it, the data is still very rough as compared to the polish seen in the cornellverse or a great mod like DOTT. I would be glad to send my data to anybody who wants to try it out, and I hope the original mod-maker won't have any issues with that.

[justblaze09]

ritiwik, did ECW keep dying in a year in the simmed game you did

[Johnny Fenoli]

Actually I've modified the data quite heavily before starting a new game with the WCW. In a nutshell I've done the following:

-> Adjusted steroids/soft drug/hard drug/drinking habits of a LOT of workers.
-> Adjusted a LOT of skill and popularity levels - these basically had to be brought down in the vast majority of the cases because they were set too high.
-> Corrected the problem of every ppv carrier having risk set to "low"
-> messed around with TV networks etc to adjust little issues which hampered gameplay during testing
-> Set a lot of workers' potential levels to random - I didn't want Lance storm's potential set to low [as an example] because I'd probably want to make something of him in my game. This adds much to the gameplay because in my opinion the point of starting a game in a historical setting is to try and do things your way - which gets hampered if the mod tries to mimic reality about things that happened SUBSEQUENT to 1997 [like Storm not becoming a superstar].
-> Corrected the issue of far too many workers' gimmicks being rated at A*.
-> Added photos [not all of the correct historical period] of quite a lot of workers.
-> Made WWF the No.1 promotion in the world whereas WCW are the leaders in America, which I think better represents reality circa 1997.
-> Adjusted importance levels of some game locations - leads to a better result during simming.
-> Adjusted North American wrestling industry to start at "medium and rising" instead of "high and rising" because during testing I discovered that in case of the latter the industry starts falling in 1998 itself - which is not realistic. The way I've adjusted it the industry will rise till about 1999 [or a little later] and start falling very slowly from then on.
-> lots of other bits and pieces I don't even remember. I gave several hours over 4 days to make the mod what I wanted it to be [at least as far as the US/Canada wrestling scene is concerned]. I tried simming through 2 years in the game and the results were pretty decent - the WCW goes down [inspite of the hugely talented roster; but they don't immediately fall to cult as was happening before but stick around the global/international range for longer], WWF go up and make a pile of money etc.


Please don't get me wrong - I am not trying to prove that I am better than the original mod maker or something of the sort. I thank him for making a good mod of my favourite period in all of wrestling. But I just took the liberty to do a few things which make the gameplay better at least as far as I am concerned.

Even with all the time spent on it, the data is still very rough as compared to the polish seen in the cornellverse or a great mod like DOTT. I would be glad to send my data to anybody who wants to try it out, and I hope the original mod-maker won't have any issues with that.


wish you had an even more detailed list so I can apply some of these changes to my game....

[CW Saton]

Actually I've modified the data quite heavily before starting a new game with the WCW. In a nutshell I've done the following:

-> Adjusted steroids/soft drug/hard drug/drinking habits of a LOT of workers.
-> Adjusted a LOT of skill and popularity levels - these basically had to be brought down in the vast majority of the cases because they were set too high.
-> Corrected the problem of every ppv carrier having risk set to "low"
-> messed around with TV networks etc to adjust little issues which hampered gameplay during testing
-> Set a lot of workers' potential levels to random - I didn't want Lance storm's potential set to low [as an example] because I'd probably want to make something of him in my game. This adds much to the gameplay because in my opinion the point of starting a game in a historical setting is to try and do things your way - which gets hampered if the mod tries to mimic reality about things that happened SUBSEQUENT to 1997 [like Storm not becoming a superstar].
-> Corrected the issue of far too many workers' gimmicks being rated at A*.
-> Added photos [not all of the correct historical period] of quite a lot of workers.
-> Made WWF the No.1 promotion in the world whereas WCW are the leaders in America, which I think better represents reality circa 1997.
-> Adjusted importance levels of some game locations - leads to a better result during simming.
-> Adjusted North American wrestling industry to start at "medium and rising" instead of "high and rising" because during testing I discovered that in case of the latter the industry starts falling in 1998 itself - which is not realistic. The way I've adjusted it the industry will rise till about 1999 [or a little later] and start falling very slowly from then on.
-> lots of other bits and pieces I don't even remember. I gave several hours over 4 days to make the mod what I wanted it to be [at least as far as the US/Canada wrestling scene is concerned]. I tried simming through 2 years in the game and the results were pretty decent - the WCW goes down [inspite of the hugely talented roster; but they don't immediately fall to cult as was happening before but stick around the global/international range for longer], WWF go up and make a pile of money etc.


Please don't get me wrong - I am not trying to prove that I am better than the original mod maker or something of the sort. I thank him for making a good mod of my favourite period in all of wrestling. But I just took the liberty to do a few things which make the gameplay better at least as far as I am concerned.

Even with all the time spent on it, the data is still very rough as compared to the polish seen in the cornellverse or a great mod like DOTT. I would be glad to send my data to anybody who wants to try it out, and I hope the original mod-maker won't have any issues with that.


You've clearly done a lot more work on this mod than I have. You should upload what you have, (If CarlitoCoool approves of course.) and we can perhaps combine our updates.

[ritwik]

ritiwik, did ECW keep dying in a year in the simmed game you did

No it did not. In the first sim I did it lost money heavily for the first few months but survived and in fact by mid 1999 it started making good money, which was a little bit distressing because I didn't want to make it financially viable over a long term period. Then I lowered their share of the ppv revenue and that made things better. But my testing indicates it shouldn't die out in the first year no matter what.

wish you had an even more detailed list so I can apply some of these changes to my game....

Dunno if you are joking but I forgot to mention that I did a bit with the hall of immortals too. The game stars with 21 "immortals" already inducted and more get inducted along the way as they retire/die.

You've clearly done a lot more work on this mod than I have. You should upload what you have, (If CarlitoCoool approves of course.) and we can perhaps combine our updates.

Well that's what I was thinking too. The way I see it, this can easily become the definitive 1997/1998 mod if someone were to fix the scene in Japan and Mexico [about which I know very little]. This would involve addition of about 400-500 wrestlers [max, because I wouldn't like it to become unwieldy] and fixing up the major promotions in those areas. Then it can also be used by others to make good mods for all years from 1996-2001 [till death of WCW or a WCW rebirth scenario] with little difficulty.

If carlito cool approves, then I think the following work needs to be done:
1. worker pictures - some are still left, and some are not from the correct historical period.
2. gimmicks - I wish I had gone through these before I started my game. The gimmicks require some balancing.
3. Japan/Mexico - as stated above.
4. TV/ppv network contracts - since I wasn't in America in 1997 I am not sure about which promotion broadcasted on which network so I've given them contracts based on gameplay efficiency rather than historical accuracy. But I think it would be a minor issue to fix for an experienced hand.
5. This isn't an issue as much as a style decision but I've added some fictional promotions which will open later over the course of the game [some as late as 2004], including a big promotion in Canada and a tag team wrestling only promotion in Australia. This was done because I wanted to test how the AI used different [and often wacky] products and to enhance my own gameplay experience. These can of course be removed if it is decided to keep the mod strictly within historical realms, but they do add some fun to gameplay, somewhat like WDW or NPW in EWR.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Wasnt joking... and I'm absolutely positive Carlito wouldnt mind people updating the mod. He'd be all for it...

[justblaze09]

I probably won't be updating this soon as I've already started working like mad on an updated 1RC data, sorry if anyone's really into it atm and is waiting on an update. A few people worked on this without me last year and they're welcome to do so again. Thanks for all the feedback and nice comments guys glad you enjoy :)

I know this says for the people who worked with him last year but to me it sounds like Carlito wouldn't care

[Genadi]

I've always made clear my work is free for anyone to use, I did have to turn down one modder just recently though as he tried to release another version of this and I didn't want more then 1 floating round to confuse people. So yeah feel free to do what you like with it just please ask me so I can make sure there won't be 10 different MA'97's around :)

[Von Dozier]

I haven't gotten serious into a game with this yet, cause it seems like it still needs just a bit of tweaking here and there. Although, it looks like ritwik may have finished it.

Post it up :)

[ritwik]

I've always made clear my work is free for anyone to use, I did have to turn down one modder just recently though as he tried to release another version of this and I didn't want more then 1 floating round to confuse people. So yeah feel free to do what you like with it just please ask me so I can make sure there won't be 10 different MA'97's around :)


I'd initially decided to pass this on by email to people who are interested to try it out, but that isn't easy to do as the files are quite large and some email services [like Hotmail] don't support attachments beyond 10MB. So I've now uploaded all the files where anybody can try them out. Hopefully that isn't an issue because I am not trying to post another "version" of this but an update which fixes some issues and makes it more playable with all the new features TEW 2008 has.

So without further delay, here are the links:

Data: http://www.unitedstudentsindia.com/downloads/tew/Montreal.zip
Graphics [same as by Carlito Cool, but with the addition of banners]: http://www.unitedstudentsindia.com/downloads/tew/Montreal_gfx.zip
Worker Pics: http://www.unitedstudentsindia.com/downloads/tew/Montreal_people.zip


Notes:
1. When playing I would advise setting new worker generation to high for a better gameplay experience because the mod in its native form consists of just 681 workers total.
2. The graphics, including banners and worker pics I've added are the work of other modders, specifically those who made the real workers pic pack for EWR 4.2 [RaveX I think, but not sure]
3. As I mentioned earlier somebody who was in America in 1997/1998 needs to make the tv show contracts represent the historical reality - my settings are based on gameplay efficiency rather than historical reality.


CW Saton - please try this out and maybe we can collaborate on updating this further ?

All comments/suggestions/help would be appreciated.

[justblaze09]

3. As I mentioned earlier somebody who was in America in 1997/1998 needs to make the tv show contracts represent the historical reality - my settings are based on gameplay efficiency rather than historical reality.

Can't this be solved by using the contracts that Carlito used in the initial release.

[ritwik]

Can't this be solved by using the contracts that Carlito used in the initial release.

Maybe, but then you would need to adjust the size/reach of the network in the interest of gameplay, otherwise it'll be too easy as one of the big 3 promotions.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Maybe, but then you would need to adjust the size/reach of the network in the interest of gameplay, otherwise it'll be too easy as one of the big 3 promotions.

what's wrong with the tv deals in america? Looks right to me, am I missing something?

only thing I noticed is ECW.

I know I was in texas watching ECW at this time... of course it was on satellite, so I dont know how you would represent that.

[darthsiddus2]

create a network for DirectTV. it covers the entire US, Canada, UK, Japan, and most of Europe :D

[shamelessposer]

create a network for DirectTV. it covers the entire US, Canada, UK, Japan, and most of Europe :D

DirecTV isn't a network, though. It's a service provider.

[R0CKSTAR]

DirectTV just carried The Sunshine AND MSG Networks at that time, I believe. *sigh* How nice it would've been to have satellite back in the day. I was forced to stay up until ungodly hours and pray that America One showed Hardcore TV for the week on my local UHF station. :p Meanwhile you guys got TWO chances a week to see ECW! Blast you all! LoL.

[Johnny Fenoli]

DirectTV just carried The Sunshine AND MSG Networks at that time, I believe. *sigh* How nice it would've been to have satellite back in the day. I was forced to stay up until ungodly hours and pray that America One showed Hardcore TV for the week on my local UHF station. :p Meanwhile you guys got TWO chances a week to see ECW! Blast you all! LoL.

that's actually what I would watch it on I think... Is america one. I know NO ONE knew of ECW in Texas.

Just out of high school the summer of 95... flipping through channels on my dad's dish... First match, Gangstas vs Public Enemy in a steel cage match, think this was from heatwave 1995... I started recording tapes every week. I'd take the tapes to my home boys house and we would all watch. So you had this group of like 4 totally crazed ECW fans, over a 1000 miles from Philly. We would watch these tapes every week. We saw everything, just in time I think... Right before Eddie and Malenko left, so got to see them early too. Watched it every week from that first night...

awww.... the memories. :(

[CaliCurbStomppa]

I really like this mod but is there one out there when WCW and WWF was around? I want the WCW when Vince Russo came. That probably was like 1998 or 1999 i cant recall. They had the New Blood as a stable, u guys probably know what im saying but maybe there a mod i can convert?

[justblaze09]

I really like this mod but is there one out there when WCW and WWF was around? I want the WCW when Vince Russo came. That probably was like 1998 or 1999 i cant recall. They had the New Blood as a stable, u guys probably know what im saying but maybe there a mod i can convert?

Thats 2000

[R0CKSTAR]

Thats 2000


And not to mention the #1 worst year of all times for WCW. Ugh. Why the Hell would you want to play a 2000 mod? Even the WWF was kinda boring that year.

[Johnny Fenoli]

And not to mention the #1 worst year of all times for WCW. Ugh. Why the Hell would you want to play a 2000 mod? Even the WWF was kinda boring that year.

To change history!!

[R0CKSTAR]

that's actually what I would watch it on I think... Is america one. I know NO ONE knew of ECW in Texas.

Just out of high school the summer of 95... flipping through channels on my dad's dish... First match, Gangstas vs Public Enemy in a steel cage match, think this was from heatwave 1995... I started recording tapes every week. I'd take the tapes to my home boys house and we would all watch. So you had this group of like 4 totally crazed ECW fans, over a 1000 miles from Philly. We would watch these tapes every week. We saw everything, just in time I think... Right before Eddie and Malenko left, so got to see them early too. Watched it every week from that first night...

awww.... the memories. :(

Yeah. Everyone has to remember their first glimpse of ECW wrestling. I was watching WCW Saturday Night and started flipping channels during commercial. Ran across Hardcore TV. This was before America One changed the timeslot to like 1 in the morning. Anyways, first thing I saw? The legendary spot where Funk is out cold in the middle of the ring and the fans are all throwing their chairs into the ring, burying poor Funker while Cactus Jack stands tall yelling "BANG BANG!" LMAO. Man, the things I'd do for a complete DVD set of every episode of Hardcore TV from 94 to 2000.

[Von Dozier]

And not to mention the #1 worst year of all times for WCW. Ugh. Why the Hell would you want to play a 2000 mod? Even the WWF was kinda boring that year.

The #1 mod I want right now, besides Real World, would be a 2000 mod. I want to right WCW's horrible wrongs.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

My first ECW show was when they got on TNN. First one I actually saw was the episode where the Dudley Boys left and Tommy Dreamer and Raven won the belts.

Those were good times, good times indeed. I miss those days . . .

Looking back, compared to today, wrestling just ain't as cool now as it was back then.

[CaliCurbStomppa]

I liked it because of Shane Helms and i was a big fan when Russo was the auth. Just me. He was my fav wrestler when he went face after leaving 3 Count. BTW i notice in the mod they have John Cena and Randy Orton? haha. I wanna make a powerplant development and put them there and make them big stars soon like they are today :D

[CaliCurbStomppa]

Another question: On the game you might wanna fix WCW Monday Nitro to 3 hours insteady 2 hours on TV Show. The running time was always 3 hours

[justtxyank]

Another question: On the game you might wanna fix WCW Monday Nitro to 3 hours insteady 2 hours on TV Show. The running time was always 3 hours

I think all mods make this same "mistake" with Nitro. I think it is usually done though for the user's benefit. Booking 3 hours of Nitro might be cumbersome for most users. It's easy enough to correct it yourself though if you do want to do it.

[D16NJD16]

Sometimes that damn show went LONGER then 3 hours. It would start before RAW, and then it would go past its limit, and be on after RAW for a few minutes.

[Annoyed Grunt]

I've advanced through 2 years of this mod and it's funny to see how even in TEW WCW managed to do nothing with Bret. He's had a total of 25 matches since I've started and he's lost half of them. Syxx and The Giant left around the right time though neither signed with the WWF. Owen survived, though Road Warrior Hawk died in May of '99 instead. Bischoff was removed as booker a few months ahead of schedule. Oh, and Vince's coke problem has come to light (though that's just a rumor in real life, of course.)

Then there'd the weird stuff. ECW went out of business in the Fall of 98, but Heyman has just opened XPW. Monday Night Raw is an hour long and now airs on Bravo on Wednesday nights. And for some reason I keep getting internet stories about how Johnny Grunge is the future of WCW.

[BurningHamster]

While not always the most accurate resource, wikipedia lists WCW Nitro running times as ...

Running time 1 Hour ('95 -'96) 2 Hours ('96-'98, '00-'01) 3 Hours ('98-'00)

I know I got some episodes from 97 which are definately two hours long.

[D16NJD16]

Nitro was 2 hours in late 1997-early 1998, save for maybe 4 or 5 shows in a year where they would go 3 hours.

[blslivewire]

I just started this one as WCW. The only issue I'm running into is when booking a venue, I'm told to expect about 23,000 fans and instead I wind up with only about 5,000 people showing up in a 15,000 seat venue. Id there anything I could be doing wrong?

Also, will Hogan flat out refuse to put anyone over? Including Sting at Starcade?

[ritwik]

Get the latest patch to fix the first problem from the Tech Support forum.

Hogan will refuse to put anyone over, yes. I've actually updated my version of this mod by taking away Hogan's creative control - because there's no other way to get him to lose to anybody!

[jsadighi]

I liked it because of Shane Helms and i was a big fan when Russo was the auth. Just me. He was my fav wrestler when he went face after leaving 3 Count. BTW i notice in the mod they have John Cena and Randy Orton? haha. I wanna make a powerplant development and put them there and make them big stars soon like they are today :D

I liked the Creative Control storyline, but everything after that was crap.

[hurricanendp]

I've simmed through unemployed, i'm now in April 06 and Japan is dominating the whole wrestling scene, Mexico's second, with America struggling to keep ahold of anything.

WCW been destroyed by CMLL and WWF, ECW went out of business twice (brought them back through the editor), TNA and ROH are slowly pushing along, and the big stars of today like Lesnar, Lashley, Hardys, Cena etc are nowhere, whereas Orton, Helms, Monty Brown are flying high with every promotion that'll take em!

[justtxyank]

Is anyone interested in new pics for this? I've done a ton.

[Rocksta]

2006? Dang thats a long time.

Would you mind maybe throwing up a WWF/E or a Japanese card, NJPW AJPW NOAH etc. card and the top ten wrestlers?

[ritwik]

Is anyone interested in new pics for this? I've done a ton.


Would be great if you could release them.

[hurricanendp]

I'm running an "End of Year" recap type diary on my forums, not so much with cards and stuff, but saying things such as major worker movements, wrestlers that have died etc.

Last AJPW Card (Sat w4 Sep 06)

AJPW TV

Takaiwa & Takaiwa defeated Kid and Funaki
Koji Kanemoto went to a double count out with CIMA
Mutoh & Nishimura defeated Sasuke & KFujita
Kenta Kobashi defeated Toshiaki Kawada

Last CMLL Card (Mon w1 Oct 06)

CMLL Lucha Total (TV)

Los Brazos defeated Rey Bucanero and David Newbon
Negro Casas & El Dandy defeated Crime and Punishment
Hector Garza defeated Juventud Guerrera
El Hijo del Lizmark defeated Arkangel
Rey Misterio Jr. defeated Felino
El Hijo del Santo defeated Sean Morley

Last ECW Card (Fri w3 Jun 99)

ECW Hardcore TV

Shane Douglas defeated Sabu
Super Crazy defeated Rob Van Dam
Jerry Lynn defeated Bam Bam Bigelow to retain the ECW World Television Title
La Parka defeated Super Calo

Last NJPW Card (Fri w1 Nov 03)

NJPW World Pro Wrestling (TV)

Shiro Koshinaka defeated Kendo Kashin
Satoshi Kojima defeated Manabu Nakanishi
Onita and Hase defeated Nagata and Suzuki
Shinya Hashimoto defeated Masaaki Mochizuki

Last NWATNA Card (Wed w3 Sep 06)

NWATNA Break Like The Wind (Event)

Molly Holly defeated Megan Whitworth
Billy Crash defeated Don Juan
Risk and Reward defeated Sabin and Conway to retain the NWATNA National Tag Titles
Brian Christopher defeated Matt Anoai
Steve Corino defeated Christian York
BG James defeated Bill DeMott to retain the NWATNA World Title

Last ROH Card (Tue w1 Sep 06)

ROH Painkiller (Event)

Amy Dumas defeated Erica Riggs
Delirious defeated Elix Skipper
Kendo Kashin defeated Matt Hyson
Steve Corino defeated TAKA Michinoku to retain the ROH Nationwide Title
Gilbertti & Yang defeated Steve and Modest to retain the ROH Tag Team Titles
Tony Mamaluke defeated Mike Quackenbush
Scott Taylor defeated Jerry Lynn to retain the ROH International Title

Last WCW Card (Sun w4 Oct)

WCW Fall Brawl (PPV)

NDP defeated Matt Anoai
Steve Williams defeated Ron Killings
Buff Bagwell defeated Jimmy Yang
Ahmed Johnson defeated Scott Taylor
Christian Cage and Dirty White Boy defeated Randy Orton and Conway
Jerry Lynn defeated Lance Diamond
Monty Brown defeated Miguel Perez Jr.
Kanyon defeated Sabu, Normal Smiley and BG James to retain the WCW United States Heavyweight Title
Mike Quackenbush defeated Steve Corino to retain the WCW World Television Title
Mike Barton defeated Bob Sapp to retain the WCW TV Title
Taz defeated Rick Steiner
Sting defeated Perry Saturn to retain the WCW World Heavyweight Championship

Last WWE Card (Sun w4 Sep 06)

WWE Breakdown (PPV)

Rhino defeated Jinsei Shinzaki
Shane Helms defeated Edge
Mike Haynor defeated Tiger Mask IV
Alex Wright defeated Steve Blackman
Kid Kash defeated D'Lo Brown
Jacques Rougeau defeated Chris Jericho
Goldust defeated Ray Traylor to retain the WWE European Title
Reckless Youth defeated Kaz Hayashi to retain the WWE Smoking Skull Title
Heavy Metal defeated AJ Styles to retain the WWE Hardcore Title
Scott Norton defeated Owen Hart
Jeff Jarrett defeated Farooq to retain the WWE World Heavyweight Title
Bill Goldberg, Kurt Angle and The Rock defeated HHH, Masahiro Chono and D Wolfie

TOP 10 Wrestlers As Of 2006

Bret Hart (CMLL)
Keiji Mutoh (AJPW)
Osamu Nishimura (AJPW)
El Hijo del Santo (CMLL)
Jun Akiyama (AJPW)
Kenta Kobashi (AJPW)
Yuji Nagata (AJPW)
La Parka (CMLL)
Rey Misterio Jr. (CMLL)
Super Crazy (CMLL)

[justtxyank]

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These will be moved in a couple of days into their appropriate folders in my account.

[Ransik]

I was going through the workers and I noticed something that needs some addressing...

Most of the workers in the game are set to Low or Very Low potential.... why is this?

Dean Malenko is set to Very Low... so is DDP... so is Eddie Guerrero... the list goes on and on. These guys got so much better around this time! And Rey Mysterio set to Low? Come on!

I dunno why they're all set like this but I've noticed through long-term simming that these settings cause some serious imbalance over time.

[castorius]

I was going through the workers and I noticed something that needs some addressing...

Most of the workers in the game are set to Low or Very Low potential.... why is this?

Dean Malenko is set to Very Low... so is DDP... so is Eddie Guerrero... the list goes on and on. These guys got so much better around this time! And Rey Mysterio set to Low? Come on!

I dunno why they're all set like this but I've noticed through long-term simming that these settings cause some serious imbalance over time.

You'll probably notice that the "Selling" ability for a lot of the workers is lacking as well. I just ran through several rosters and noticed that most workers were around E+ and lower at selling. I don't know if this was done intentionally to illustrate the egos of a lot of the workers during this time (ie. refusing to sell and lose). But I have a feeling that with the lack of selling ability, its gonna have a drastic effect on match ratings.

[hurricanendp]

Sorry if it's been brought up before but...

just found out that Melina is a man in the database, debateable by some i know, but think that needs changing lol.

[ritwik]

I was going through the workers and I noticed something that needs some addressing...

Most of the workers in the game are set to Low or Very Low potential.... why is this?

Dean Malenko is set to Very Low... so is DDP... so is Eddie Guerrero... the list goes on and on. These guys got so much better around this time! And Rey Mysterio set to Low? Come on!

I dunno why they're all set like this but I've noticed through long-term simming that these settings cause some serious imbalance over time.

I noticed it too. It has been fixed in my version of the mod. As has been many of the stats of lots of workers. You can download that by following the links on this page:
http://67.19.230.90/~arles/forum/showpost.php?p=447496&postcount=107

As posted earlier in the thread, a complete list of changes is as follows:

-> Adjusted steroids/soft drug/hard drug/drinking habits of a LOT of workers.
-> Adjusted a LOT of skill and popularity levels - these basically had to be brought down in the vast majority of the cases because they were set too high.
-> Corrected the problem of every ppv carrier having risk set to "low"
-> messed around with TV networks etc to adjust little issues which hampered gameplay during testing
-> Set a lot of workers' potential levels to random - I didn't want Lance storm's potential set to low [as an example] because I'd probably want to make something of him in my game. This adds much to the gameplay because in my opinion the point of starting a game in a historical setting is to try and do things your way - which gets hampered if the mod tries to mimic reality about things that happened SUBSEQUENT to 1997 [like Storm not becoming a superstar].
-> Corrected the issue of far too many workers' gimmicks being rated at A*.
-> Added photos [not all of the correct historical period] of quite a lot of workers.
-> Made WWF the No.1 promotion in the world whereas WCW are the leaders in America, which I think better represents reality circa 1997.
-> Adjusted importance levels of some game locations - leads to a better result during simming.
-> Adjusted North American wrestling industry to start at "medium and rising" instead of "high and rising" because during testing I discovered that in case of the latter the industry starts falling in 1998 itself - which is not realistic. The way I've adjusted it the industry will rise till about 1999 [or a little later] and start falling very slowly from then on.
-> lots of other bits and pieces I don't even remember. I gave several hours over 4 days to make the mod what I wanted it to be [at least as far as the US/Canada wrestling scene is concerned]. I tried simming through 2 years in the game and the results were pretty decent - the WCW goes down [inspite of the hugely talented roster; but they don't immediately fall to cult as was happening before but stick around the global/international range for longer], WWF go up and make a pile of money etc.

[EkmO]

Pic pack? Anyone have any?

[rodzillahotrod]

Pic pack? Anyone have any?

check the board i post a huge one here is is http://67.19.230.90/~arles/forum/showthread.php?t=34341

[Frederick Bear]

Anybody else having trouble booking ECW? I usually book show around D's and a few C's (I hold most of them in the tristate area), and my matches hardly ever get about a C. Am I just bad at this, or are other people having this problem?

[rodzillahotrod]

its harder to get good match raitings if ur a low promotion far as i know.

[djb12030]

I'm sorry but I feel the stats in this are horrible. Everyone has such bad stats (out of the unemployed workers mainly) that starting a new promotion is basically a horrible idea. Every match comes out to a high of a D-. I'm sorry but alot of the older guys in this mod need much better stats (Greg Valentine, Honkey Tonk Man, etc.)

[Genadi]

I was going through the workers and I noticed something that needs some addressing...

Most of the workers in the game are set to Low or Very Low potential.... why is this? Dean Malenko is set to Very Low... so is DDP... so is Eddie Guerrero... the list goes on and on. These guys got so much better around this time! And Rey Mysterio set to Low? Come on!

What in ring skills has Rey improved since 98 except for psychology? He still throws a lackluster punch and if anything his high flying has deteriorated from then. Malenko was 37 at the time and a 19 year veteran, how much potential do you think he had? DDP is another one? I don't think he could have improved much in ring from that point, he was 42 at the time. What exactly did you think he improved on from 98 onwards? I welcome criticism but broad stuff like that doesn't help me or any future updaters make the mod any better. Eddy should be looked at though I agree, he improved in a few areas from 98 to his death although most were out of ring which if I'm correct has nothing to do with the potential stat.

I'm sorry

You're forgiven :p For the upteenth time only WWF,WCW&ECW were edited, Rodzilla is being nice enough to do the next update so hopefully your constructive criticism will be taken on board. Honky Tonk man and Greg Valentine late 1997 though, what kind of improvements do you think they deserve?

[rodzillahotrod]

i can do the relationships (1997 or includeing future relationships if u guys want), and tag team (also can do future if u want set at a low rating and im going to put the past tag teams in thats missing). if u guys want i could add some people but im not great with the stats. also am i missing something or is the great sasuke in the game 2 times? also does anyone think that the north american prime select is to low? well im not going to try and read 10 pages so if anyone wants to make a quick list of things wrong that u want fixed u can pm me or post here i'll try and keep track from here on.

[Ransik]

What in ring skills has Rey improved since 98 except for psychology? He still throws a lackluster punch and if anything his high flying has deteriorated from then. Malenko was 37 at the time and a 19 year veteran, how much potential do you think he had? DDP is another one? I don't think he could have improved much in ring from that point, he was 42 at the time. What exactly did you think he improved on from 98 onwards? I welcome criticism but broad stuff like that doesn't help me or any future updaters make the mod any better. Eddy should be looked at though I agree, he improved in a few areas from 98 to his death although most were out of

The problem is though that over half the workers in the database are set to low or very low potential and ruins any fun that could come out of the game altogether. Just because they didn't improve much in real life doesn't mean they should be restricted from doing so in the game. As it is right now you have a database full of workers and MAYBE 15-20 of the whole bunch are set to good or excellent potential (almost all of them "Yet to Debut") and my best guess is less than 100 are set to random.

[castorius]

What in ring skills has Rey improved since 98 except for psychology? He still throws a lackluster punch and if anything his high flying has deteriorated from then. Malenko was 37 at the time and a 19 year veteran, how much potential do you think he had? DDP is another one? I don't think he could have improved much in ring from that point, he was 42 at the time. What exactly did you think he improved on from 98 onwards? I welcome criticism but broad stuff like that doesn't help me or any future updaters make the mod any better. Eddy should be looked at though I agree, he improved in a few areas from 98 to his death although most were out of ring which if I'm correct has nothing to do with the potential stat.


My understanding of potential was that if the wrestler is older and has met his potential, even if you set it as High or Excellent he still won't gain much because of his age.

ie. Ric Flair is 49 years old, his potential is set as Excellent, but he won't increase in skill because he's on the downward part of his career arc due to his age.

Am I mistaken?

[rodzillahotrod]

My understanding of potential was that if the wrestler is older and has met his potential, even if you set it as High or Excellent he still won't gain much because of his age.

ie. Ric Flair is 49 years old, his potential is set as Excellent, but he won't increase in skill because he's on the downward part of his career arc due to his age.

Am I mistaken?

if i read right ur right on this. if u guys want i could edit this just give me a list of wrestlers u want updated i dont mind doing it. i'll make 2 updates one with these wrestlers updated and one without for those who likes the game like this :D

[justblaze09]

if i read right ur right on this. if u guys want i could edit this just give me a list of wrestlers u want updated i dont mind doing it. i'll make 2 updates one with these wrestlers updated and one without for those who likes the game like this :D

I say put it at random for all of the young workers because it gives us the chance to take advantage of what TEW really is, and that is a game

[rodzillahotrod]

i could do this 2 what do u guys think? maybe all the new works that have debuted yet or just young wrestlers periode? its ur guys choice. i have pretty much unlimited space on rapidshare and i could upload multiple copys so it doesnt matter its just time comsuming :D

[castorius]

i could do this 2 what do u guys think? maybe all the new works that have debuted yet or just young wrestlers periode? its ur guys choice. i have pretty much unlimited space on rapidshare and i could upload multiple copys so it doesnt matter its just time comsuming :D

I think you could argue that there is enough variation in development to not have to randomize potentials.

Even if you set a worker to high potential, there is still the hidden destiny stat, superstar quality and various other random and not-so-random factors that will effect development of a worker. There is no guarantee that a high potential worker will turn out great.

On the other hand, it could add a fair bit of replay value by randomizing potentials. I think it comes down to whether you think there is enough replay value in the game as it is. Even with random potentials, a worker's development is still not completely random since you still have the predetermined superstar quality (which you can't set as random) that can have an effect on how great the worker will turn out.

I could see it working out both ways. I don't think it'll hurt the mod by setting workers to their true-to-life potentials. I think if you wanted to compromise and take a middle stance, you could just set new workers (not yet debuted) and extremely young wrestlers as random potential and set the veterans with their true-to-life potentials. But I think I'd like to hear other opinions on this.

[rodzillahotrod]

I think you could argue that there is enough variation in development to not have to randomize potentials.

Even if you set a worker to high potential, there is still the hidden destiny stat, superstar quality and various other random and not-so-random factors that will effect development of a worker. There is no guarantee that a high potential worker will turn out great.

On the other hand, it could add a fair bit of replay value by randomizing potentials. I think it comes down to whether you think there is enough replay value in the game as it is. Even with random potentials, a worker's development is still not completely random since you still have the predetermined superstar quality (which you can't set as random) that can have an effect on how great the worker will turn out.

I could see it working out both ways. I don't think it'll hurt the mod by setting workers to their true-to-life potentials. I think if you wanted to compromise and take a middle stance, you could just set new workers (not yet debuted) and extremely young wrestlers as random potential and set the veterans with their true-to-life potentials. But I think I'd like to hear other opinions on this.

i think thats a great idea. honestly when i play anymod when i hire stars 25 and younger i stick them in development camp unless they have really great stats. imo i think after the age 25 is when the wrestlers should be set to their potentials that they could achieve today. what u think about that?

[rodzillahotrod]

just small update guys i have done this so far
gary albright-afa
gary albright-matt anoai
gary albright-rikishi
gary albright-samu
gary albright-yokozuna
gary albright-jimmy snuka
gary albright-the rock
gary albright-ekmo fatu
afa-the rock
afa-jimmy snuka
afa-ekmo fatu
ekmo fatu-samu
ekmo fatu-matt
ekmo fatu-rikishi
ekmo fatu-jimmy snuka
ekmo fatu-the rock
ekmo fatu-yoko

as for gary albright i know on afa's wrestling site he list him as a family member but doesn't put down when they got married together if anyone knows please tell me so i can make sure this infor is correct

race and nationality
afa-samoan nationality
samu-samoan nationality
jimmy snuka-samoan nationality
ekmo fatu-samoan nationality, race pacific
rikishi-samoan nationality, race pacific
rocky maivia-samoan nationality
yoko-samoan nationality, race pacific
matt anoai-samoan nationality, race pacific

imo the somoans should be labeled like this im not really sure if any of them r considered american but all of them r known as somoan.

alter egos
rikishi fatu- fatu-wwf 50%
Marlena-wwf-100%
Alexandra York-wcw-100%
Paul Bearer/WWF-100%
"Mean" Mark Callous (the undertaker)-WCW-100%
The Punisher (the undertaker)-15%
Master of Pain (the undertaker)-10%
Texas Red (the undertaker)-5%
Hunter Hearst Helmsley-wwf-80%
Terra Ryzin-WCW-10%
Goldust-WWF-80%-
i have done the bios also. im going to try and release any pics for these wrestlers that not in my current pic mod that i released on here :D

tag teams
The Skyscrapers I dan spivey and sid vicious set at low for wcw?
The Skyscrapers II mark calloway and dan spivey set at low for wcw?

[justblaze09]

I think if you wanted to compromise and take a middle stance, you could just set new workers (not yet debuted) and extremely young wrestlers as random potential and set the veterans with their true-to-life potentials. But I think I'd like to hear other opinions on this.

That was excatly thinking when I brought up the random poential.

[rodzillahotrod]

That was excatly thinking when I brought up the random poential.

i dont want to sound like a ass man but its really going to be hard to please everyone on this board. if everyone could just compromise and ask for setting to be one way for this mod for potential then i could really get rolling a long with fixing these. honestly if u don't like what anyone puts out then dont download it or fix it yourself for your own personal game. again im sorry if im coming off as an ass or even wrong im just trying to get this update out and i think im already doing pretty good for the miner things.

[justblaze09]

i dont want to sound like a ass man but its really going to be hard to please everyone on this board. if everyone could just compromise and ask for setting to be one way for this mod for potential then i could really get rolling a long with fixing these. honestly if u don't like what anyone puts out then dont download it or fix it yourself for your own personal game. again im sorry if im coming off as an ass or even wrong im just trying to get this update out and i think im already doing pretty good for the miner things.

no I meant I was excatly thinking that when I brought up the solution to the poential problem, I was just rushing when I was typing that out. My bad

[rodzillahotrod]

oh ok its all good. i just hope everyone else can just compromise

[rodzillahotrod]

was wondering if anyone could help me out with dojo's/school's and the dojo/school graduates i'd like to expand this. i'd like to add some that opens in december and after and for the grads i'd like to add a dojo for all the wrestlers in the data base that went to one. thanks in advance.

[rodzillahotrod]

was wondering if any of u guys consider in-laws as a blood relative? or should i put them down as a strong friendship, loyalty, or if their is a problem between the 2 hate, stong dislike, or simmering tension? imo i say their considers blood relative...

[ggazoo]

Awesome... I'm late to the party on this one, but I'm looking forward to downloading this mod, and making the Montreal Screwjob a total work... and keep Bret in the WWF to see what would have happened. :D

[bobinc]

was wondering if any of u guys consider in-laws as a blood relative? or should i put them down as a strong friendship, loyalty, or if their is a problem between the 2 hate, stong dislike, or simmering tension? imo i say their considers blood relative...

I would say friendships if they exist, as they would have a married to the one person who would then be blood relative of those people. "Linked by association" is the term I think. :D Have to think of it as a family tree. :p

[rodzillahotrod]

ok friendship as it is. hey buy the way does anyone on here have vista? ok what happen is that i edited everything without running the game as administrator and now i can't copy the data to another folder or even winrar the program right. does anyone know how to fix this? i know i can log on to my windows xp and do it but that to much of a hassel if theirs an easier way. thanks for any help on this guys and im pretty much done with the update im doing. i'll post the results soon when im completly done

[BurningHamster]

Yo Rodzilla, good work so far but I think Jimmy Snuka is Fijian rather than Samoan.

[rodzillahotrod]

im going to go on the winki website and search to make sure. i noticed after i posted that i started to research more and found out that a lot of them r somoan american...

[rodzillahotrod]

does anyone know how to take screen caps? i want to show what i got done with images :D

[Benneto]

does anyone know how to take screen caps? i want to show what i got done with images :D

just click the print screen button on your key board then open paint and paste the picture in there

[rodzillahotrod]

nope nothing happened for me :(

[Johnny Fenoli]

does anyone have an update of this mod, available to download? Looking to play it again, and want the newest one out...

[rodzillahotrod]

does anyone have an update of this mod, available to download? Looking to play it again, and want the newest one out...

im making an updated version right now. im pretty close to being done. with what i want to do :D

[TracyBrooksFan]

im making an updated version right now. im pretty close to being done. with what i want to do :D

u adding new workers?

[Johnny Fenoli]

im making an updated version right now. im pretty close to being done. with what i want to do :D

how long till you put it up? Cause I wanna dive in! :D

[rodzillahotrod]

if i see anyone missing i add them. right now only guy i add was junkyard dog because thats the only guy i know that was around at the time that wasn't in the game. if anyone knows of anyone missing before i release ill add them. im hoping today or tomorrow im just having trouble copying the files because im on vista and i didn't start the program in adminstator :( so now everytime i copy the files they r not updated but if i go and open the tew for the one i updated everythings good..i'll probably have to goto windows xp and do it...

[rodzillahotrod]

does anyone know of any tag teams missing?

[castorius]

does anyone know of any tag teams missing?

There are a ton missing, I don't remember all of them off the top of my head.

One that I remember:
Robert Gibson & Ricky Morton - Rock N Roll Express

I know they weren't really active at the time, but both of them exist in the universe.

[rodzillahotrod]

yea i know theres a lot but i cant remember all of them lol i'll add those 2 tonight... i just have one problem. my window xp (i use vista primlary) is bad so now i dont know how to copy the data files (i didnt use administrator) does anyone know how to copy the files now?

[Johnny Fenoli]

wheres that update rod? :)

[rodzillahotrod]

im having a problem copying the files as i stated earlier i didnt use adminstrator rights when i opened tew and now i dont know how to copy the files. when i copy them i just get the orginal data before i updated for some reason. if u know how to fix it i can release it right after i find out :D. im going to post a question in the techinical forum

[Johnny Fenoli]

are you able to still pull up the UPDATED data? just cant copy it?

[rodzillahotrod]

yea but most of things i updated i cant import. like alter egos, and dojo wrestlers i did mostly that

[Benneto]

is this the newest version just because i want to play this just dont wanna start one then a new one comes out a couple of days later lol

[rodzillahotrod]

im doing the update i just cant copy the data. i might just have to redo it all in adminstrator rights...

[Johnny Fenoli]

this lil problem you're having rod is ruining my gaming experience! lol

no body can help this guy?

[rodzillahotrod]

looks like i will just have to redo everything....its a shame i messed up like that well learned my lesson...

[rodzillahotrod]

well while im redoing this and copying things over i up dated i just realised i didn't add any alter egos for mick foleys. right now im doing cactus jack would u guys say cactus jack was the first guy to win the wcw, ecw and wwe tag team titles?

[rodzillahotrod]

ok here what i have for dojo grads
Abdullah The Butcher
bad news allen
bret hart
bruce hart
chris beniot
chris jericho
davey boy smith
gorilla masoon
Greg Valentine
honkey tonk man
jim neidhart
justin credible
lance storm
owen hart
ricky fuji
ross hart
teddy hart

if u know anymore before i release tell me i'll add them :D

alter egos
"Mean" Mark Callous/WCW
1-2-3 Kid/WWF
Alexandra York/WCW
Bad News Brown/WWF
Beau Beverly/WWF
The Big Show/WWF
Billy Gunn/WWF
Blake Beverly/WWF
Cactus Jack
Christian/WWF
The Patriot/WWF
Dude Love/WWF
Edge/WWF
Farooq/WWF
Fatu/WWF
Flash Funk/WWF
Goldust/WWF
Hak/WCW
Haku/WWF
Irwin R. Schyster/WWF
Jean Paul LeVesque/WCW
Jesse James/WWF
Johnny B. Badd/WCW
Mankind/WWF
Marlena/WWF
Master of Pain/The Undertaker
Mr. Wallstreet/WCW
Paul Bearer/WWF
Prince Albert/WWF
Rikishi/WWF
Road Dog/WWF
Spike Dudley
Steven Regal/WCW
Syxx/WCW
Terra Ryzin/WCW
Texas Red/The Undertaker
The Giant/WCW
The Inferno Kid/ECWA
The Punisher/The Undertaker
The Roadie/WWF
The Undertaker/WWF
Woman
X-Pac/WWF

am i missing anything?

wrestlers

the junkyard dog

i think thats it?

[rodzillahotrod]

ok i added a few more wrestlers and other things so here it is guys

http://rapidshare.com/files/136369505/1997.rar.html
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VY1VCJ3G

tell me what u think. i also pm the guy that made the 1991 mod and asked if i can use his data so i could add more wrestlers and stuff, so if he ever pm's me back i will have another update ready.

special thanks to the guy that uploaded the network mod if he could please pm me his name i'll put it in the next update :D

also please check out the graphic mod i uploaded its only missing like 5 non wrestlers

http://67.19.230.90/~arles/forum/showthread.php?t=34341

[Johnny Fenoli]

ok i added a few more wrestlers and other things so here it is guys

http://rapidshare.com/files/136369505/1997.rar.html
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=VY1VCJ3G

tell me what u think. i also pm the guy that made the 1991 mod and asked if i can use his data so i could add more wrestlers and stuff, so if he ever pm's me back i will have another update ready.

special thanks to the guy that uploaded the network mod if he could please pm me his name i'll put it in the next update :D

also please check out the graphic mod i uploaded its only missing like 5 non wrestlers

http://67.19.230.90/~arles/forum/showthread.php?t=34341


so this update you've corrected some of the mistakes and added even more stuff?

:D

[rodzillahotrod]

yea i tried

[StuLinney]

i know it's prob a bit late now but if you check ur tew2008 folder it shud have an option at the top saying compatibilty files. u shud find the ones missing in there.

[Blackman]

So is this mod playable? I checked the thread but there appears to be some problems?