Enemies of the Noble: Rise of the Apostasy [Game Thread]

[Prophet]

Could have just typed MLT! That's even shorter than D_w_w :p

Could have, but I saw your slanderous Propheganda! (Totally wish I'd thought of that yesterday! lol)

[moon_lit_tears]

Only because of the spacing characters.
What did I do? :p



Could have, but I saw your slanderous Propheganda! (Totally wish I'd thought of that yesterday! lol)

[moon_lit_tears]

Well talk about quote fail.

@Cappy...pfft details..:p

[eayragt]

Here's my biggest worry about putting a power role in -- it makes them a target and dead councilors mean new elections. New elections mean no lynches. Power claims (unless they truly fit, ala Grunt) throw more volatility into the mix than I think is prudent.


I'm with you on power roles doesn't mean they should be voted to power at all, but we can still lynch while re-electing.

Although it'll make pushing through a lynch harder as there are distractions.

[BHK1978]

I could do with one vote to be appointed as a member of the council, or I'll likely die.

You should have hired me as your Campaign Manager, I could have been your George Stephanopoulos and got you elected to higher office.:D

[Paws7297]

Paws is shorter to type than D_w_w ya know.

[Paws7297]

Paws is shorter to type than D_w_w ya know.
Quote fail.

[Paws7297]

If anyone's wondering.. (I found it kinda obvious with my first post)

I am Dayordra Aligned and my role isn't a power role. But, I do go out at night.

[praguepride]

I'd like to once again re-assert myself as a candidate. I may not have chosen the best play this time around with the FI, but all in all I'm solid, active, and townie.

What better three things to have in a leader?

[eayragt]

Hmmm, no need for a tactical vote right now. Won't be around later, so it sticks. Anyone currently on Paws who may want to tactically move their vote later can be assured I won't move my vote, as this is my last post of the day.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Everyone should totally change their votes to me. Otherwise I'll just kind of be around with nothing to do... :p

[BHK1978]

Hmmm, no need for a tactical vote right now. Won't be around later, so it sticks. Anyone currently on Paws who may want to tactically move their vote later can be assured I won't move my vote, as this is my last post of the day.

So I guess that is a no go on a vote for Destiny.:D

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd like to once again re-assert myself as a candidate. I may not have chosen the best play this time around with the FI, but all in all I'm solid, active, and townie.

What better three things to have in a leader?

If you change your vote to me and I get elected, and I can protect people somehow, I'll help you out. :D

I'm actually ok with the people with votes now, but, you know... I like stuff. :cool:

[i effin rule]

If you're interested in having a speech in the write up regarding your election, pm it to me and Rev before the end of the phase. The speeches of the top 3 will be included in the write up.


This is mostly just for fun and not a necessity.

[masterded]

Elect: GruntMark

Guy I am the most comfortable with as I am in the same boat as him.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm EST on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 3 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack, Prophet)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 6 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[Wallbanger]

ELECT: Destiny

Don't dissapoint me, man, you gotta bring da FLAVA!!!

[mjdgoldeneye]

Elect: GruntMark

Guy I am the most comfortable with as I am in the same boat as him.

Well, let me just say that we all seem to support GruntMark, but he doesn't need a million votes to be elected. There's some votes out there that haven't been laid down and I think it'd be safer if people who support GruntMark to vote on their second choice as he's pretty much clinched.

It'd be fairly easy for scum to nonchalantly change who gets elected right at the end if the 2nd and 3rd choices aren't well fortified.

(And, no, you don't have to vote for me. :p I don't want someone getting elected at the last second. Even if it's entirely benign, people will question the legitimacy of someone in that position and we'd be best to avoid having to deal with it.)

If a bunch of people don't change their votes to me before I go to eat, I'll switch my vote to D_w_w.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm EST on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 3 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack, Prophet)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 3 (Destiny, MichiganHero, Wallbanger)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 6 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[i effin rule]

Polls Close In 2 Hours!

[mjdgoldeneye]

Elect: D_w_w

As I said.

[Paws7297]

Everyone should totally change their votes to me. Otherwise I'll just kind of be around with nothing to do... :p

That's kinda the same for me... My role seems generally useless....

[GruntMark]

Elect: D_W_W

My gut says the council will be able to talk. Assuming I stay on course and win, DWW is someone I like talking to.

[mjdgoldeneye]

That's kinda the same for me... My role seems generally useless....

My role isn't useless. It does, however, have limited applications... :p

[Paws7297]

Elect: D_W_W

My gut says the council will be able to talk. Assuming I stay on course and win, DWW is someone I like talking to.
Would I be someone you liked talking to?...

I would love to see Grunt and Dww get in as government. I think they'd both be great choices. But, I won't place a vote as I'd like to get in too. Or, I could vote for myself but, that doesn't seem right to me.. 1 hour to go I Think.. /waits

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm EST on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 5 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack, Prophet, mjdgoldeneye, GruntMark)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 3 (Destiny, MichiganHero, Wallbanger)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 6 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (BHK1978)

[Ranson]

Hm.. My role's not useless, but much more dangerous in the long-term than the short term.

[GruntMark]

Would I be someone you liked talking to?...

I would love to see Grunt and Dww get in as government. I think they'd both be great choices. But, I won't place a vote as I'd like to get in too. Or, I could vote for myself but, that doesn't seem right to me.. 1 hour to go I Think.. /waits

IDK, I think this might be a new record for talking in thread between us.

45 minutes, unless someone flips on you to Destiny, it looks like a done deal.

Seeing as how he is your primary competition, and already voted for himself, I say vote or don't vote however you please.

[Jman2k3]

I would love to see Grunt get in as government.

I'd rather have Stink or Larry Wood but that's just me. :p

[cappyboy]

I'd rather have Stink or Larry Wood but that's just me. :p

And I'd like to spend a weekend curled up on a bearskin rug in some mountain cabin with Pettle. What's your point? :)

[moon_lit_tears]

IDK, I think this might be a new record for talking in thread between us.

45 minutes, unless someone flips on you to Destiny, it looks like a done deal.

Seeing as how he is your primary competition, and already voted for himself, I say vote or don't vote however you please.

What about me? Do you like talking to me???? ;0:p

[Paws7297]

What about me? Do you like talking to me???? ;0:p
No... :p

[Paws7297]

IDK, I think this might be a new record for talking in thread between us.

45 minutes, unless someone flips on you to Destiny, it looks like a done deal.

Seeing as how he is your primary competition, and already voted for himself, I say vote or don't vote however you please.
Haha.

Meh, I'll throw my vote down on myself. Destiny claims to have a power role and when is he active anyway?...

Elect- Paws

NOt that it even matters. THere's only 4 minutes left now.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm EST on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 5 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack, Prophet, mjdgoldeneye, GruntMark)
Paws7297: 5 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom, Paws7297)
Destiny: 3 (Destiny, MichiganHero, Wallbanger)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 6 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (BHK1978)

[i effin rule]

The polls are closed. Write up soon.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Change Elect: Richard Nix--

Darn it! Deadline passed! :(

[Comradebot]

Change Elect: Walter Mondale


BWHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!

[Paws7297]

Change Elect: Walter Mondale


BWHAHAHAHAHHAA!!!
I think you're a bit late there C-Bot. :p

[i effin rule]

D1

The citizens of Dayordra tried to rally around each other following the loss of their beloved Premier. It was rough, but they knew they had a major decision before them. They needed to elect a council to represent them within the government.


They were diligent, analyzing all candidates and finally they came to their decision.


Representing the good people of Dayordra will be GruntMark, d_w_w, and Paws7297.


One of the chose had these words to say:

"I thank you for your votes and support. I may have won the trust of a few of you, but now it is time to get to work earning it from the rest.

These are trying times for Dayordra, and it speaks to your great strength of character and will that we can cast off aspersions and mistrust to come together in a show of unity and exercise our democracy. It is our unity that will keep us strong. It is our unity that will win the day. Against our collective will, our enemies cannot stand. When faced with the power of our people, they will quake and fall.

Dayordra lost a great man in Premier Chreldr. We will track down and bring judgment to those that perpetrated such a heinous crime.

Dayordra has been betrayed by those that its safety was entrusted too. We will show them that there is no room here for selfishness.

Starting now, we are all in this together. It is imperative that we make good decisions. It is imperative that we remain vigilant to threats. But most importantly, we stick together.

So, let us now turn our attention to the great task at hand. Good luck."


*To those elected, you will hear from me soon.

[i effin rule]

It is now N1, you have until 8:00pm EST on Friday, February 4th to get your abilities in. Send them to both i effin rule and Imarevenant

[cappyboy]

Yes. Please do. Maybe then we can talk about something that feels like it actually means something. Stupid electioneering. Long live the council so we don't have to do any more of it.

[Comradebot]

Yes. Please do. Maybe then we can talk about something that feels like it actually means something. Stupid electioneering. Long live the council so we don't have to do any more of it.

I will say this: I doubt all three make it through the game... though it will help to have a BP guy on it. Means there's fewer targets for night killin'... which means they'll kill me.

[Jman2k3]

And I'd like to spend a weekend curled up on a bearskin rug in some mountain cabin with Pettle. What's your point? :)

My point is if Carnage tried to bond with the Joker would he be successful??? :confused:

[cappyboy]

I will say this: I doubt all three make it through the game... though it will help to have a BP guy on it. Means there's fewer targets for night killin'... which means they'll kill me.

On the upside, more was accomplished than usually is the first day of most games I've either been in or read in recent times. Getting a council is part of the game structure after all. But my head is still swimmy from it. I'll be much happier once night phase is over and there are actual facts to go on. Not just a bunch of blather where every word could have been false for all we know.

[praguepride]

My prediction for this evening is that Paws is the scum elect of the 3

:D
no, I'm not a sore loser. Just paranoid. There IS a difference...

[Paws7297]

My prediction for this evening is that Paws is the scum elect of the 3

:D
no, I'm not a sore loser. Just paranoid. There IS a difference...
Whatever prague. You are a sore loser.

[praguepride]

Whatever prague. You are a sore loser.


Doesn't mean I can't be right though ;)
And that reminds me, you're sounding a bit left

[Prophet]

[Standing on a small stage, surrounded by bunting and half inflated balloons, a lone shadow moves behind the podium. He clears his throat, and adjusts his tie, causing a whine of feedback from the microphone.

Ladies and gentlemen, the polls have closed. And, while a close race -

A shout is heard from the darkened arena ...

Voice: No one voted for you! And this is an IHOP!

Undaunted, the shadow continues ...

And, while a close race ... I have already called our newly elected officials to congratulate them, and concede the election. I thank those who have supported me, and know this ...

Before he could finish his speech, the shadow is tackled by three armed police officers, while a heavyset waitress, with her red and white streaked hair tied in a loose bun, kicks him. Before long, the shadowy form of Prophet is dragged from the International House of Pancakes, and thrown into a squad car, covered in syrup and waffle batter. Is this where our story ends?

Yes, probably ...

All right, think that's the last of my day 1 nonsensicals. Tune in tomorrow, same Proph time, same Proph channel ... unless I'm canceled. :p

[praguepride]

I expect a full claim from you tomorrow Proph to make up for your zaniness.

[Prophet]

http://noloveforyou.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/spanish-inquisition-pic3.jpg

[BHK1978]

Is that night Spam?

Well:

http://www.thecurrentpage.com/wp-content/uploads/monty_python_spam.jpg

[mjdgoldeneye]

Hey! HEEYY! Everyone play my game! Do it! DOOO IT!!!

[Comradebot]

http://www.morethings.com/fan/monty_python/dead_parrot.jpg

[BHK1978]

Well I did not want to quote the above post but that had to be their best sketch. I remember they did it on SNL one time and it bombed, which I just did not understand. The sketch was great and hardly anyone laughed.

[Comradebot]

Well I did not want to quote the above post but that had to be their best sketch. I remember they did it on SNL one time and it bombed, which I just did not understand. The sketch was great and hardly anyone laughed.

HAHA, I was JUST thinking about the SNL one.

American audience. British humour (see, I added a u!). Just don't always mix well. I'd like to think it's because dem' dirty Yankees don't have a refined and varied sense of humor. They'd rather watch Dane Cook talk about his penis.

[BHK1978]

HAHA, I was JUST thinking about the SNL one.

American audience. British humour (see, I added a u!). Just don't always mix well. I'd like to think it's because dem' dirty Yankees don't have a refined and varied sense of humor. They'd rather watch Dane Cook talk about his penis.

Dane Cook has to be one of the worst Comics out there. I never got why people found him to be so funny. Especially around 2006 or so, the guy was drawing like Steve Martin did in the 70's but his material sucked. I am going to end my Dane Cook rant now becuase nobody wants to read pages upon pages about how much I think his material sucks.:D

[Prophet]

I never got the appeal of Dane Cook, personally. I always felt like he never had any idea of his own material. Like he'd start a joke, and seamlessly transition into a completely different topic, with no real segue, and forget the punchline. There's a guy on SNL currently, who was the touchy orderly on Scrubs, who does a great impression of Dane Cook. Only time I've laughed at anything Cook related. lol

As for American taste with British humour, I can't speak for the country as a whole, but I grew up loving it. I started with the ever classic Benny Hill (and to this day, will hum Yakety Sax when running around for no real reason, save a scantily clad woman who is trying to escape me.) Then I fell into the more solid commodities, such as Python, and Mr. Bean, and the Black Adder. And the Adder is what inspired me to branch even further, touching Red Dwarf (which is brilliant) and My Hero (which is brilliant, until Ardal O'Hanlan left the series), and even into Laurie & Fry, which I couldn't find a great deal, but enough to suffice. I haven't been keeping up with a lot of the newer comedies, so my greatest British comedic influence is probably Craig Ferguson. (Who's Scottish, but it's the same geographic influence, when it comes to the American portrayal of British wit, and whatnots.)

[i effin rule]

About 30 minutes to go!

[i effin rule]

Phase is over! Write up will happen soon hopefully.

[i effin rule]

N1

The citizens of Dayordra settled in, hoping that things would quickly return to normal. They were in for a rude awakening.

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She knew just who she was targeting tonight. It was going to be so funny. She rigged a mechanism up just outside of her targets door. This was going to be so good.

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He was just doing his job, well mostly just doing his job. He had ulterior motives for doing what he was doing.

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He lurked in the darkness, staying out of sight as best he could. He needed to check someone out, see if they were useful. He watched closely, taking notes and making sure he was exact in his observations.

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She was sitting around waiting for any opportunity to do her job. She was anxious to get to work, but it had been a slow night. What she didn’t realize, however, was that her home was the subject of much action. Several people lurked around outside, but none of them were coming in.

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He was up to no good, clearly, but he was being patient. He had to make certain before acting. He began to approach his target but had to stop. He knew instantly he wouldn’t be successful tonight.

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Having heard something outside of his door he peaked his out. As soon as he did he was hit in the face with a wet clerrat. The animal screeched and clawed the face of the victim before hitting the ground and running off.

[i effin rule]

PM's are going out, but in the meantime



It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

[cappyboy]

So everyone survived?

[i effin rule]

All pms should be out. If you didn't get one and expected one, pm me.

[michgcs]

weird :confused: not that i'm complaining :D

[michgcs]

N1

Having heard something outside of his door he peaked his out. As soon as he did he was hit in the face with a wet clerrat. The animal screeched and clawed the face of the victim before hitting the ground and running off.

I wonder what this did...

[masterded]

I wonder what this did...

Role block or maybe it gave them a plague like disease, who knows?

[moon_lit_tears]

Curious to hear from our council members.....

[michgcs]

Role block or maybe it gave them a plague like disease, who knows?

Yeah, I'm thinking that was what happened, as well. Maybe that was what happened to the kill?

Curious to hear from our council members.....

Me too :D

[SmartBomb]

I just realised that I made a bad decision night-phase wise... eh. :o Nevermind, no harm done.

[Ranson]

I say we vote to lynch the last one of the three to speak :D

[moon_lit_tears]

I just realised that I made a bad decision night-phase wise... eh. :o Nevermind, no harm done.

Did you try to kill the BP Grunt? :eek: SCUMMMM!!!!!!

[Tha Black Phenom]

All well and good, but simply 'waiting' on the council members isn't gonna do much. They'll talk anyway and we mostly know what they'll address first(the general area of it). Might as well go someplace in the meantime.

Vote: eayragt

Been out and about last night, skip?

[GruntMark]

Role block or maybe it gave them a plague like disease, who knows?

/nod

Both good guesses. With a made up animal, its hard to say.

Curious to hear from our council members.....

Hi.

I just realised that I made a bad decision night-phase wise... eh. :o Nevermind, no harm done.

Did you try to kill the BP Grunt? :eek: SCUMMMM!!!!!!

:cool:

...But then, I think you voted for me. Change of heart?

Would help explain no deaths.

Either way, a good outcome for night one. Even Destiny made it.

I credit my great oratory skills.

[GruntMark]

All well and good, but simply 'waiting' on the council members isn't gonna do much. They'll talk anyway and we mostly know what they'll address first(the general area of it). Might as well go someplace in the meantime.

Vote: eayragt

Been out and about last night, skip?

Day phase is still early, but this seems like an acceptable avenue for the moment.

Vote: Eayragt

[mjdgoldeneye]

GM, I'm sure you don't want to endanger your own life, but can say you that the council has anything to do with the lack of deaths, one way or another?

[GruntMark]

The three “officials” will be notified privately with specific information pertaining to their position. This information is never to be openly shared with the public. Failure to follow this rule will result in a modkill.



This isnt a line Im willing to toe.

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

eayragt: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark)

[d_w_w]

First, I want to apologize for not offering a speech up last night. I wasn't online before the election ended :(

All well and good, but simply 'waiting' on the council members isn't gonna do much. They'll talk anyway and we mostly know what they'll address first(the general area of it). Might as well go someplace in the meantime.

Vote: eayragt

Been out and about last night, skip?

/nod

I am obviously barred from discussing council mechanics, but I think it's safe for me to state that we (Dayordra) have a much better chance of winning if everyone that loves Dayordra contributes to the cause.

Right now, I support the line of pressure on eayragt. There are other folks that I thought, due to their day 1 play, are worthy of discussion and potentially pressure, but I don't know that it makes sense to split our attention right now.

[mjdgoldeneye]

This isnt a line Im willing to toe.

You don't have to. You don't even have to come close.

I am asking if you, as a player, know why there were no deaths. I'm not asking what you did. I'm not asking how you may or may not know.

I am not asking you to "openly share with the public". Acknowledging that you know something isn't revealing whatever IER sent you. I can't exactly explain your situation from a yes or no answer to this question.

Frankly, your stance is disheartening. Either you're being over-protective (and you really should ask IER what you're allowed to say) or you're screwed. What's the point in playing if you can't confirm or deny that you may or may not have information? Are we supposed to just hope the shady leaders guys off to the side are doing their part to help us?

[moon_lit_tears]

I think he gave an answer without answering. Your persistence concerns me.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I think he gave an answer without answering. Your persistence concerns me.

The fact is, he didn't. That's kind of the point. At any point, if we're concerned with him, we can't exactly say he said something because he didn't...

My persistence is entirely relevant. There were 0 deaths... on night 1...

Are you suggesting we'd best ignore that and move on? :p

[Paws7297]

I'll read and post tomorrow. I am tired. Good night.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Are you suggesting we'd best ignore that and move on? :p

Let's go at it this way: Is anyone who's actually still allowed to participate without red tape aware of what happened? ;)

I do jack poopy at night, so shouting at people during the day is all I have.

[GruntMark]

You don't have to. You don't even have to come close.

I am asking if you, as a player, know why there were no deaths. I'm not asking what you did. I'm not asking how you may or may not know.

I am not asking you to "openly share with the public". Acknowledging that you know something isn't revealing whatever IER sent you. I can't exactly explain your situation from a yes or no answer to this question.

Frankly, your stance is disheartening. Either you're being over-protective (and you really should ask IER what you're allowed to say) or you're screwed. What's the point in playing if you can't confirm or deny that you may or may not have information? Are we supposed to just hope the shady leaders guys off to the side are doing their part to help us?

...Have you even read all my posts today?

Im thinking not.

Which is weird, cause this is only like...#3.

[moon_lit_tears]

...Have you even read all my posts today?

Im thinking not.

Which is weird, cause this is only like...#3.

Am I right with my last post?

:cool:

[masterded]

First, I want to apologize for not offering a speech up last night. I wasn't online before the election ended :(



/nod

I am obviously barred from discussing council mechanics, but I think it's safe for me to state that we (Dayordra) have a much better chance of winning if everyone that loves Dayordra contributes to the cause.

Right now, I support the line of pressure on eayragt. There are other folks that I thought, due to their day 1 play, are worthy of discussion and potentially pressure, but I don't know that it makes sense to split our attention right now.

It is day 2 and he isn't on now. If someone sees someone is on or posting and wants to ask him or her a question they should. Sure we need to keep peoples minds on track some times but the beginning of a phase isn't that time. Even if the person isn't on I don't see the danger in throwing questions and accusations around.

A couple other things. This is in no way a plan to draw attention away from eayragt. The other thing is at one time I had the word heck written up there how sad is that?

[GruntMark]

Am I right with my last post?

:cool:

My initial reaction was an honest one.

And Im not changing my claim. :)

[mjdgoldeneye]

...Have you even read all my posts today?

Im thinking not.

Which is weird, cause this is only like...#3.

I read them all. You didn't say anything.

Unless I'm supposed to interpret "acceptable" as meaning "scum that I'm trying to get you to vote for with my mind", I don't see any hints.

[mjdgoldeneye]

My initial reaction was an honest one.

And Im not changing my claim. :)

Yea, I don't know what's going on. I'll be over here.

[GruntMark]

It is day 2 and he isn't on now. If someone sees someone is on or posting and wants to ask him or her a question they should.

/nod

Though that would be easier if more people were honest about being hidden. :p

[GruntMark]

Yea, I don't know what's going on. I'll be over here.

MLT seems to.

Are you really going to be shown up by a GIRL? :p

[moon_lit_tears]

/nod

Though that would be easier if more people were honest about being hidden. :p

I'm just a figment of your imagination. :p

[masterded]

:D/nod

Though that would be easier if more people were honest about being hidden. :p

Most people just aren’t as manly as us :D or maybe not willing to let people see how little of a life they have :(.

[GruntMark]

I'm just a figment of your imagination. :p

That would explain why you are showing up MJD...

[moon_lit_tears]

:D

Most people just aren’t as manly as us :D or maybe not willing to let people see how little of a life they have :(.

I'm not manly........lol

[praguepride]

lol, at first I thought I had been roleblocked, but if nobody died then I guess I can't find out who killed them :D

[SmartBomb]

Hey, prague.

Is your role female?

Trying to piece together the writeup.

[BHK1978]

:D

Most people just aren’t as manly as us :D or maybe not willing to let people see how little of a life they have :(.

Pretty much the reason why I am invisible, there is no need for people to see the hours upon hours I spend on this site. And yes I have no life a fact which I will feely admit.:o

[Prophet]

Okay, first off, woohoo for survival! Not just in the grandiose sense of everyone made it, but also selfishly, yay!

[B]N1

The citizens of Dayordra settled in, hoping that things would quickly return to normal. They were in for a rude awakening.

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This opening line worries me, though. And I predacate this thought with the expressed fear that I may open a can of worms with it. A rude awakening in this sense seems less like a hip swiveling neckbreaker, and more like some sort of immediate impact. With no deaths, though, I'm not certain what that could entail. Unless it's reference to these two ...

He lurked in the darkness, staying out of sight as best he could. He needed to check someone out, see if they were useful. He watched closely, taking notes and making sure he was exact in his observations.

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He was up to no good, clearly, but he was being patient. He had to make certain before acting. He began to approach his target but had to stop. He knew instantly he wouldn’t be successful tonight.

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Reading these two joined, it seems nefarious, however that's a conclusion jump. I'm not positive they are, but I can't quite figure out how they'd work independently. I also can't figure out what a Clerrat is, unless it's a translucent mouse. Ooh, or a ferret dressed in Clerical robes!

[BHK1978]

I am wondering if there could be a delayed kill and a roadblock or something along those lines.

[BHK1978]

I am wondering if there could be a delayed kill and a roadblock or something along those lines.

To add to this I just want to say there are two things that I will never discount in one of these games.

1. If there is no night kill, the thought of a delayed kill crosses my mind. Because in Medical Mafia I witnessed Kobe kill Astil or MNN (I can't remember which one it was) but due to the fact that it was a delayed kill I did not know she killed him.

2. If we can't lynch someone I am going to have to believe that there is a negative voter or a vote theif in the game.

[michgcs]

I am wondering if there could be a delayed kill and a roadblock or something along those lines.

I'm wondering about whether there's a delay in here, as well.

[eayragt]

All well and good, but simply 'waiting' on the council members isn't gonna do much. They'll talk anyway and we mostly know what they'll address first(the general area of it). Might as well go someplace in the meantime.

Vote: eayragt

Been out and about last night, skip?

Yes, yes I was.

As to the next question, no, I don't see me in the write-up.

I am wondering if there could be a delayed kill and a roadblock or something along those lines.

A game this size I'd expect two kills. Possible they were both blocked, but a delayed kill / infection / something else is something we need to think about.

Anyway, someone did look ito Wallbanger last night, didn't they? Because:

OK, we've got about six hours left, and there's still some flux.

Grunt and Paws are out in front at the moment, which I'm good with.

Here's my biggest worry about putting a power role in -- it makes them a target and dead councilors mean new elections. New elections mean no lynches. Power claims (unless they truly fit, ala Grunt) throw more volatility into the mix than I think is prudent.

Presuming I'm out of consideration (which is not a hint to a power role, just acknowledging that I'm behind in the polls) of the remaining folks I lean towards the FLAVA. I just wonder if there's meat underneath the FLAVA.

Not voting yet, but Destiny is forefront on my mind at the moment.

ELECT: Destiny

Don't dissapoint me, man, you gotta bring da FLAVA!!!

BHK and MH get free passes on the Destiny vote (well, not free, but their votes are more understandable0. Wallbanger does not, surely? If I was scum I would have tried to get Destiny elected - what we see above is a subtle campaign from someone who in normal circumstances I would be very suprised to want to see Destiny elected. I would have thought others would have picked up on this apart from me, so think 'Banger may have been a popular target last night. So, 'Banger, anything to share from you before people have to tell you what they found out about yourself?

[SmartBomb]

Was going to compose a bigger post, until I realised it was too mean. :o

So, uh I agree with eayragt, BHK looks more suspicious than Wallbanger tbh, and you avoided the actual question - do you go out at night. Y/N?

Vote: Wallbanger is a route I'm fine to go, however.

[eayragt]

Was going to compose a bigger post, until I realised it was too mean. :o

So, uh I agree with eayragt, BHK looks more suspicious than Wallbanger tbh, and you avoided the actual question - do you go out at night. Y/N?

Vote: Wallbanger is a route I'm fine to go, however.

Sorry, I thought I made it clear - yes I did.

[Destiny]

I'd like to know what moon_lit_tears did last night, and why she may come up as a threat.

[Comradebot]

I'd like to know what moon_lit_tears did last night, and why she may come up as a threat.

Now THAT is fun info.

So, MLT, gonna claim framed, miller, or "I dunno!"

/love

[Destiny]

Considering two players have already claimed to be millers, I'm intrigued as to how she's going to try to get out of this one.

[Comradebot]

Considering two players have already claimed to be millers, I'm intrigued as to how she's going to try to get out of this one.

Framed will be her only out.

And... I dunno, don't see it. Also note that she voted for neither GM nor Paws, both of which I'm sure if she was town she'd love to have in a position of power.

But she didn't vote for them.

Which means maybe there's a reason she didn't.

[SmartBomb]

Framed will be her only out.

And... I dunno, don't see it. Also note that she voted for neither GM nor Paws, both of which I'm sure if she was town she'd love to have in a position of power.

But she didn't vote for them.

Which means maybe there's a reason she didn't.

Or maybe Paranoid Cop.

Destiny?

[MichiganHero]

Or maybe Paranoid Cop.

Destiny?

In a game this size, what is the probability of having more than one cop?

[SmartBomb]

In a game this size, what is the probability of having more than one cop?

You had GCBC, Classic Mafia. Paranoid/Naive/Normal cops in the same game.

Besides Paranoid Cop is an all but useless role. Basically vanilla lynchbait or something similar.

Unless, of course, you're talking about two normal cops in the same game... then I don't know... I wouldn't think so.

But with the number of millers in this game, I'm hesitant to buy a Paranoid Cop.

[eayragt]

You had GCBC, Classic Mafia. Paranoid/Naive/Normal cops in the same game.

Besides Paranoid Cop is an all but useless role. Basically vanilla lynchbait or something similar.

Unless, of course, you're talking about two normal cops in the same game... then I don't know... I wouldn't think so.

But with the number of millers in this game, I'm hesitant to buy a Paranoid Cop.

That's why in Good Cop Bad Cop there weren't millers or other alignment alterations, except don, as messing with results AND alignments is just rough on the town. Still, I hope Destiny takes a glance at his role pm again.

[SmartBomb]

Oh, and everyone seems to have forgotten about the third miller.

[Destiny]

There's a third miller? I have no reason to believe that my result would be faulty.

[MichiganHero]

You had GCBC, Classic Mafia. Paranoid/Naive/Normal cops in the same game.

Besides Paranoid Cop is an all but useless role. Basically vanilla lynchbait or something similar.

Unless, of course, you're talking about two normal cops in the same game... then I don't know... I wouldn't think so.

But with the number of millers in this game, I'm hesitant to buy a Paranoid Cop.

I'll wait and see what Destiny can pull from his PM before I make any decisions.

BTW, Destiny is a good guy.

[MichiganHero]

I'll wait and see what Destiny can pull from his PM before I make any decisions.

BTW, Destiny is a good guy.

And he would of course post before me :rolleyes:

[Destiny]

Good to see that I am proven to be a good guy. Now are we going to wait for moon_lit_tears to attempt a defence before we begin the voting process?

[SmartBomb]

Good to see that I am proven to be a good guy. Now are we going to wait for moon_lit_tears to attempt a defence before we begin the voting process?

Why not start now.

Change Vote: moon_lit_tears

[MichiganHero]

Why not start now.

Change Vote: moon_lit_tears

Agreed!

Vote : moon_lit_tears

[Destiny]

I'll likely add my vote later on in the day, though I must admit I would have thought moon_lit_tears would have been online by now.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'd like to know what moon_lit_tears did last night, and why she may come up as a threat.

Now THAT is fun info.

So, MLT, gonna claim framed, miller, or "I dunno!"

/love

No. I'm blue but have a....pain in the ass role. I was out last night. I have a choice. If i choose to use my ability I come up threat.

[MichiganHero]

No. I'm blue but have a....pain in the ass role. I was out last night. I have a choice. If i choose to use my ability I come up threat.

What do you get up to at night that could make you come up a threat?

[moon_lit_tears]

What do you get up to at night that could make you come up a threat?


I have a win condition to fulfill.

I'm not sure I want to say much more than that just yet. I'm not sure how hard it will be if I out that.

[Comradebot]

I have a win condition to fulfill.

I'm not sure I want to say much more than that just yet. I'm not sure how hard it will be if I out that.

MLT, there's a threat result against you. It'll be a lot harder to achieve your win condition if you get lynch, no?

[Comradebot]

If you get lynched, that should read.

[moon_lit_tears]

If you get lynched, that should read.

All I can say is I'm a shy female who was done wring. I'm out to find the one who done it.

My PM states I like to blend in, but stay to myself. For that reason I don't speak my name out if fear the evil person will know and use it. My person is a bit of a....scardycat?

[moon_lit_tears]

With that I'm off to get ready. I'm going to watch The Roommate.

Have fun folks. Please don't lynch me. I harm no one. I just get told if I found who I'm looking for or not. I just want to be able to finish.

[eayragt]

With that I'm off to get ready. I'm going to watch The Roommate.

Have fun folks. Please don't lynch me. I harm no one. I just get told if I found who I'm looking for or not. I just want to be able to finish.

Meh, going to need a lot more than that. Nice to know your alignment at the very least. As Comradebot says being lynched will make it difficult to achieve your win condition (unless... nah).

Vote: moon_lit_tears

[Ranson]

I'm understanding the PITA role statement. I don't even go out, but...sheesh.

Going to take this back on a previous track with :

Vote: Wallbanger

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

eayragt: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark)
moon_lit_tears: 3 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt)
Wallbanger: 1 (Ranson)

[praguepride]

Hey, prague.

Is your role female?

Trying to piece together the writeup.



chick.



vote: moon_lit_tears

I havent gotten any town vibes off of you and your claim leaves much to be desired.

[GruntMark]

Change Vote: No Vote

Unless TBP has more, I think Eayragt gets a pass for now.

Will think on the MLT situation.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Considering two players have already claimed to be millers, I'm intrigued as to how she's going to try to get out of this one.

*cough*

I'll wait and see what Destiny can pull from his PM before I make any decisions.

BTW, Destiny is a good guy.

When you hit the graveyard, ask yourself if it was really worth letting us know that then.

No. I'm blue but have a....pain in the ass role. I was out last night. I have a choice. If i choose to use my ability I come up threat.

All I can say is I'm a shy female who was done wring. I'm out to find the one who done it.

My PM states I like to blend in, but stay to myself. For that reason I don't speak my name out if fear the evil person will know and use it. My person is a bit of a....scardycat?

So with this interesting drawback, you had no opinion whatsoever on the Noble aligned, or even GruntMark's claim at first. Looks shady to say the least.

This role doesn't sound much credible to me, and just sounds like a wacky cover-up all in all. With such a role, in your shoes I honestly would've put early full disclosure as an option. Now maybe if you didn't think to do that, which can be somewhat understandable, one has to wonder what you'd expect to happen to you if you decided to claim later on, especially with a threat result against you.

We'll need full disclosure on this one, goes without saying.

Change Vote: moon_lit_tears

[cappyboy]

Man, wish I contribute more at the moment. But there's been little so far that leads me to think I know anything. I'd feel so much better about the MLT play if the threat result weren't coming from a guy who tends to be scum and could still be saying essentially "anything". Right now I can make two statements with any certainty.

1: I am not performing any action in the writeup. I might be having actions inflicted upon me for all I know. But I didn't have anything to base night action on so I stayed home.

2: My ballot's not going anywhere any time soon. Nothing I use a ballot for can be achieved until I get a clue of what rings true and what doesn't.

[praguepride]

While questioning the source is valid, what do you think of mlts response?

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 5 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, praguepride, Tha Black Phenom)
Wallbanger: 1 (Ranson)

[BHK1978]

Was going to compose a bigger post, until I realised it was too mean. :o

So, uh I agree with eayragt, BHK looks more suspicious than Wallbanger tbh, and you avoided the actual question - do you go out at night. Y/N?

You just probably read the boards for Derek's game and did not like the fact that I thought about killing you in that game because you taunted the town in Prague's game. Does that even make sense?

I mean of course I am going to vote for Destiny in a Kingmaker type game, he is someone I enjoy having in these games.

Anyway, in regards to MLT her story does not sound right, it sounds made up. That being said, we seem to have a lot of people who claim town that could come up threats. So I guess the question is if I trust she is telling the truth. I shall hold off on placing a vote on her right now.

[GruntMark]

I would feel better about it if she'd claimed it yesterday. You got to get out infront of these things.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Anyway, in regards to MLT her story does not sound right, it sounds made up. That being said, we seem to have a lot of people who claim town that could come up threats. So I guess the question is if I trust she is telling the truth. I shall hold off on placing a vote on her right now.

She doesn't claim to be among those people, though.

[BHK1978]

She doesn't claim to be among those people, though.

Yes but it is similar enough to give one a pause to think about it. I know she claims that if she is targeted she comes up a threat. Do I believe her?

No not exactly but it would seem that IER has made some roles to screw with us. That being said, I have no problem lynching her either.

[Destiny]

If we don't lynch moon_lit_tears today, whose story I don't believe, then I'll likely die tonight for nothing.

[BHK1978]

If we don't lynch moon_lit_tears today, whose story I don't believe, then I'll likely die tonight for nothing.

How come you have yet to lay a vote down on her if you are so gun-ho to get her lynched?:D And Destiny I agree her story is shaky and unless nothing better comes up I say we go that way.

[Undertaker666]

If MLT is telling the truth then you have to wonder why she would appear as a threat if she uses her ability? I doubt delivering a box of fluffy bunnies would be make her seem threatening.

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Some of you have mentioned this might be a delayed kill:

She knew just who she was targeting tonight. It was going to be so funny. She rigged a mechanism up just outside of her targets door. This was going to be so good.

It doesn't sound like a guaranteed kill, more of a trap that goes off only if the person opens the door (ie. goes out at night).

And who knows, that might be MLT?

[masterded]

I would feel better about it if she'd claimed it yesterday. You got to get out infront of these things.

I have to agree with this. The second I saw one person say they can come up threat I knew I had to speak up (sure a second said it before I did but I was going to speak up after the first). I am just happy one of them was the same boat as me or else it could have looked quite bad, like not coming out about coming up threat when others are.

[cappyboy]

While questioning the source is valid, what do you think of mlts response?

That's just the thing. I'm not comfortable enough in what I tink I know or what I don't to even form an opinion. I suppose it's possible she's telling the truth and I suppose it's possible she's lying. I'm totally useless right now.

[Paws7297]

IER, update the front page so I can find the write-up please?

[Paws7297]

IER, update the front page so I can find the write-up please?
Found it.

MLT, would you mind telling us why it is you show up scum when you go out at night?

[BHK1978]

I have to agree with this. The second I saw one person say they can come up threat I knew I had to speak up (sure a second said it before I did but I was going to speak up after the first). I am just happy one of them was the same boat as me or else it could have looked quite bad, like not coming out about coming up threat when others are.

That is what I am getting at, I have a feeling that there could be a lot of roles that might come up threat in this game. According to my PM, my character is a morally ambiguous character. I am not sure if I would come up threat myself.

On day one when we had two possible Millers outted themselves, I thought it was impossible that they were Millers because I felt that my character could very well be a Miller. I am Dayordra Aligned , and I am not saying that I would come up a threat or not because I do not know.

That is why there is hesitation on my part to put a vote down on MLT. Because upon investigation I could very well be in the same boat as she is. Granted she is not saying she is a Miller but her role is very close to being one.

And if this is the case of people coming up threats or Millers it is going to be very hard for us to discern who is Dayordra Aligned and who is not. Which is why I said that bit about IER screwing with us role wise.

[BHK1978]

That is what I am getting at, I have a feeling that there could be a lot of roles that might come up threat in this game. According to my PM, my character is a morally ambiguous character. I am not sure if I would come up threat myself.

On day one when we had two possible Millers outted themselves, I thought it was impossible that they were Millers because I felt that my character could very well be a Miller. I am Dayordra Aligned , and I am not saying that I would come up a threat or not because I do not know.

That is why there is hesitation on my part to put a vote down on MLT. Because upon investigation I could very well be in the same boat as she is. Granted she is not saying she is a Miller but her role is very close to being one.

And if this is the case of people coming up threats or Millers it is going to be very hard for us to discern who is Dayordra Aligned and who is not. Which is why I said that bit about IER screwing with us role wise.

I meant to bold Dayordra Aligned during my previous post.

[GruntMark]

I am not sure if I would come up threat myself.

I am not saying that I would come up a threat or not because I do not know.



You should know.

The fact that you dont bothers me.

[BHK1978]

You should know.

The fact that you dont bothers me.

Not the exact words in my PM but it says my character is not the most truthful of characters. So what would you think if you have a role like that? Not exactly clear is it.

[GruntMark]

Not the exact words in my PM but it says my character is not the most truthful of characters. So what would you think if you have a role like that? Not exactly clear is it.

I would think...

That the other millers have discussed that its explicitly stated in ours.

So you must come up town.

Now it'll be super interesting if you dont for some reason.

[BHK1978]

I would think...

That the other millers have discussed that its explicitly stated in ours.

So you must come up town.

Now it'll be super interesting if you dont for some reason.

That is if I believe the two of you. Which I am not sure that I do.

Just because you say something does not mean it is the truth. UT spent the whole Prague game claiming Indy, and he was not.

Also, has there ever been a game where it is explicitly stated? I thought it was usually hinted at in the PM. Now maybe I am wrong but I do not recall there being a role where there was a flashing neon sign that says:

Hey you are a Miller!

[eayragt]

If we don't lynch moon_lit_tears today, whose story I don't believe, then I'll likely die tonight for nothing.

Really? I thought you would die last night if you weren't elected? You're far too prone to overexaggeration which make people question what you're saying. Stick with your result, don't come up with stupid statements like that. Even if you die we'll still have your result. Perhaps you are sane, we don't lynch, and a vig finishes the job. How will you have died for nothing?

[cappyboy]

That is if I believe the two of you. Which I am not sure that I do.

Just because you say something does not mean it is the truth. UT spent the whole Prague game claiming Indy, and he was not.


Indeed. Nothing's happened yet that can confirm or deny anything anybody has said to my satisfaction. In the last game, no biggie. I was an investigator. I wanted a sense of somebody I could just go out and use my night action to establish it. I'm not that fortunate this time around.

Right now we could have a full council of scum for all I know. I rather not believe that. Especially not in Gruntmark's case because that could potentially leave a threat in a poisition of power if we all generally accept he's bulletproof. There are one or two players I WANT to believe in but they've yet to do anything that gets me beyond the wishing phase. I just hope that securing my mental footing doesn't require the loss of a loyal Dayordran life in the process.

[masterded]

I would think...

That the other millers have discussed that its explicitly stated in ours.

So you must come up town.

Now it'll be super interesting if you dont for some reason.

Like Grunt says my pm leaves no question that I am a miller.

That is if I believe the two of you. Which I am not sure that I do.

Just because you say something does not mean it is the truth. UT spent the whole Prague game claiming Indy, and he was not.

Also, has there ever been a game where it is explicitly stated? I thought it was usually hinted at in the PM. Now maybe I am wrong but I do not recall there being a role where there was a flashing neon sign that says:

Hey you are a Miller!

I would say if you took all the games more like 70% are told you are a miller (though maybe not in them words) 30% don’t know. I would guess what throws off your recollection would be the number of oh I came up scum I guess I must be a miller and didn’t know claims people make when they come up threat

[mjdgoldeneye]

Am I the only one who trusts MLT?

Regardless, it comes down to this: She's telling the truth and her claiming can end horribly or she's lying and it doesn't matter.

After considering that, I don't see why anyone but scum would want her to give full disclosure. At that point, going by what she said, she may be worse than useless. If you already think she's lying, just lynch her.

I mean, it looks a little suspicious that right after she essentially says "Me saying my name benefits the scum", several people ask for full disclosure... :p

(You're not allowed to say I'm protecting her without pointing out how what I said doesn't make sense. I defend common sense without prejudice.)

[moon_lit_tears]

I would feel better about it if she'd claimed it yesterday. You got to get out infront of these things.


Why?
If MLT is telling the truth then you have to wonder why she would appear as a threat if she uses her ability? I doubt delivering a box of fluffy bunnies would be make her seem threatening.


I don't. I creep in shadows and look for someone. I watch them. If they are who I'm after I will kill them filling my win condition. If it's not them I go about my business and try again the next night.

[cappyboy]

Why?


I don't. I creep in shadows and look for someone. I watch them. If they are who I'm after I will kill them filling my win condition. If it's not them I go about my business and try again the next night.

Interesting. What is it they are supposed to have done that you need to be going it alone rather than seek the help of a noble or other townie?

[eayragt]

Am I the only one who trusts MLT?

Regardless, it comes down to this: She's telling the truth and her claiming can end horribly or she's lying and it doesn't matter.

After considering that, I don't see why anyone but scum would want her to give full disclosure. At that point, going by what she said, she may be worse than useless. If you already think she's lying, just lynch her.

I mean, it looks a little suspicious that right after she essentially says "Me saying my name benefits the scum", several people ask for full disclosure... :p

(You're not allowed to say I'm protecting her without pointing out how what I said doesn't make sense. I defend common sense without prejudice.)

She said "me saying my name benefits someone to do with my mini game who is evil", not scum. Sure, evil normally = scum, but are we going to let her get away with that? Whenever do mini-games just feature a scum? In my experience it's more likely an indy like a serial killer, or another townie, or faction.

So the question is if she does have a mini game doesn it affect the twon adversly if she doesn't complete it? Doesn't normally...

Why?


I don't. I creep in shadows and look for someone. I watch them. If they are who I'm after I will kill them filling my win condition. If it's not them I go about my business and try again the next night.

So your pm doesn't say you come up a threat?

[eayragt]

Spelling fail, but too many to correct by quote.

[moon_lit_tears]

Mt PM says I stay to myself because of harm done to me before. With that I don't get *personal* with anyone. I prefer to be a loner.

[eayragt]

Mt PM says I stay to myself because of harm done to me before. With that I don't get *personal* with anyone. I prefer to be a loner.

Are you going to at least tell us you're Daytone aligned sometime, as you haven't even bothered doing that yet. It'll start to get us somewhere, although will just be the first thing you need to tell us.

[moon_lit_tears]

Are you going to at least tell us you're Daytone aligned sometime, as you haven't even bothered doing that yet. It'll start to get us somewhere, although will just be the first thing you need to tell us.

Yes I am.

Anything else?

[eayragt]

Yes I am.

Anything else?

Yes. I know you're answered some of these before, but:

Does your role pm say explicitly you'll come up as a threat?
Do you have a normal townie win condition?
If not could you leave the game early?
Is there one particular person in the game relevant to your role?
If so, any idea what that person alignment might be?

As a measure of good faith I'll answer them for me:

No
Yes
n/a
No
n/a

[moon_lit_tears]

Yes if I'm lurking in the shadows I will come up a threat from acting suspicious.

No. If I find and kill my target I can leave the game. If my target is killed or lynched I become a vanilla townie and have a normal win condition.

Just says I will *know* him when I find him.

[Tha Black Phenom]

That is what I am getting at, I have a feeling that there could be a lot of roles that might come up threat in this game. According to my PM, my character is a morally ambiguous character. I am not sure if I would come up threat myself.

On day one when we had two possible Millers outted themselves, I thought it was impossible that they were Millers because I felt that my character could very well be a Miller. I am Dayordra Aligned , and I am not saying that I would come up a threat or not because I do not know.

That is why there is hesitation on my part to put a vote down on MLT. Because upon investigation I could very well be in the same boat as she is. Granted she is not saying she is a Miller but her role is very close to being one.

And if this is the case of people coming up threats or Millers it is going to be very hard for us to discern who is Dayordra Aligned and who is not. Which is why I said that bit about IER screwing with us role wise.

You think he'd screw with us that much? I mean sure, hey... made-up universe, he has all the liberties in the world for the taking.

But I don't think we should start thinking along the lines of "well, if he's miller and he's miller, then maybe I am too... and maybe she is too!" because we're just allowing ourselves to stretch things - the first part is already a stretch(but believable, easily tested) the rest is just making this longer than as elastic band, and God knows how many things we're gonna allow should Destiny stay alive and somehow catch more people under the bus. We gotta act sometime.

Am I the only one who trusts MLT?

Regardless, it comes down to this: She's telling the truth and her claiming can end horribly or she's lying and it doesn't matter.

After considering that, I don't see why anyone but scum would want her to give full disclosure. At that point, going by what she said, she may be worse than useless. If you already think she's lying, just lynch her.

I mean, it looks a little suspicious that right after she essentially says "Me saying my name benefits the scum", several people ask for full disclosure... :p

(You're not allowed to say I'm protecting her without pointing out how what I said doesn't make sense. I defend common sense without prejudice.)

I guess maybe those certain people have their mind made up already about her claim.

We'll entertain your idea then, full disclosure without the name. Or whatever may give 'it' away.

[eayragt]

Yes if I'm lurking in the shadows I will come up a threat from acting suspicious.

No. If I find and kill my target I can leave the game. If my target is killed or lynched I become a vanilla townie and have a normal win condition.

Just says I will *know* him when I find him.

So your target could be a townie?

[moon_lit_tears]

So your target could be a townie?

I don't know. I doubt it. I would guess Indy or scum. I doubt I'd be looking for a townie who has done me harm in the past, do you?

[masterded]

I don't know. I doubt it. I would guess Indy or scum. I doubt I'd be looking for a townie who has done me harm in the past, do you?

I was once a townie who need 4 specific town members dead. Town people can be bad people yet be town/good.

[moon_lit_tears]

I was once a townie who need 4 specific town members dead. Town people can be bad people yet be town/good.

I suppose. I don't know then. Just going by my PM.

[eayragt]

I don't know. I doubt it. I would guess Indy or scum. I doubt I'd be looking for a townie who has done me harm in the past, do you?

Could do. I think at least two people suggested they were slightly nefarious types - in fact I think we elected one of them to office.

So, let me get this right - you're looking for a person. You find them, you kill them, you leave.

You come up as a threat only when going out at night.

With that role, why would you ever not be going at night? You need to go out to win, staying in is pointless? I'm not asking you to step into ier's mind, but am I missing something that makes this mechanic more relevant?

[moon_lit_tears]

Could do. I think at least two people suggested they were slightly nefarious types - in fact I think we elected one of them to office.

So, let me get this right - you're looking for a person. You find them, you kill them, you leave.

You come up as a threat only when going out at night.

With that role, why would you ever not be going at night? You need to go out to win, staying in is pointless? I'm not asking you to step into ier's mind, but am I missing something that makes this mechanic more relevant?

If I stay home i am *safe from harm*

[eayragt]

If I stay home i am *safe from harm*

You'd be even safer from harm after winning the game. But that's neither here nor there - you're either lying or telling the truth, and if it's the latter why should you justify the role that you were given.

Oh well. I was hoping I would have been able to switch my vote onto Wallbanger before logging off, but I don't think I can quite do that at this time.

[moon_lit_tears]

You'd be even safer from harm after winning the game. But that's neither here nor there - you're either lying or telling the truth, and if it's the latter why should you justify the role that you were given.

Oh well. I was hoping I would have been able to switch my vote onto Wallbanger before logging off, but I don't think I can quite do that at this time.

I don't know what else I can tell you.

Will I stay in on a single night? Maybe. I want to win, not be killed at night.

What are the odds I find who I'm looking for? If they are killed at night or lynched during the day is a better odd.


I see why the choice to stay in at times. I do want to win, but I have to live to do do. :p

[i effin rule]

I don't know what else I can tell you.

Will I stay in on a single night? Maybe. I want to win, not be killed at night.

What are the odds I find who I'm looking for? If they are killed at night or lynched during the day is a better odd.


I see why the choice to stay in at times. I do want to win, but I have to live to do do. :p

TMI, MLT, TMI

[moon_lit_tears]

TMI, MLT, TMI

Shaddup. :p

[eayragt]

If I stay home i am *safe from harm*

I promise, I'm off after this post. It's just odd that this would be the last thing you reveal about your role- after all, you don't care about kill attempts being wasted. You could have reduced your chances of dying and winning by revealing, but didn't until pushed. Very odd...

[mjdgoldeneye]

Here's the breakdown:

A) If MLT's target is town, it's in our best interests to lynch her. If she's town and they're town, if she succeeds, we're -2 when she leaves. If we lynch her, she can't succeed, so we're only -1.

B) If MLT's target is scum, it's in our best interests to lynch the other role. MLT won't leave if she doesn't kill them and, if they're scum, it's to our benefit that they die.

Plus, if MLT isn't actually town herself, we don't want her around.

My point is that the town has an incentive to stop MLT from succeeding... :p

[moon_lit_tears]

I promise, I'm off after this post. It's just odd that this would be the last thing you reveal about your role- after all, you don't care about kill attempts being wasted. You could have reduced your chances of dying and winning by revealing, but didn't until pushed. Very odd...

How does just putting this out save me? If the person is Indy/SK..they come after me. Why not keep my head down?

How do I know the person I'm looking for isn't aware of it?

[Dragonmack]

ok, I don't have much information to offer so far, but there is one interesting thing to my mind following the last night. No night kills, and one obvious roleblock in the write up.

Vote: Jaded

What were you up to last night Jaded? and what sex is your character?

[Paws7297]

ok, I don't have much information to offer so far, but there is one interesting thing to my mind following the last night. No night kills, and one obvious roleblock in the write up.

Vote: Jaded

What were you up to last night Jaded? and what sex is your character?
Hm. VOte: Jaded

[cappyboy]

ok, I don't have much information to offer so far, but there is one interesting thing to my mind following the last night. No night kills, and one obvious roleblock in the write up.

Vote: Jaded

What were you up to last night Jaded? and what sex is your character?

Out of curiosity, why Jaded?

[Paws7297]

Out of curiosity, why Jaded?
I assume D-mack knows who was roleblocked? You could guess why.

[Dragonmack]

Out of curiosity, why Jaded?

I assume D-mack knows who was roleblocked? You could guess why.

;) :D:cool:

[praguepride]

I think MLT is still a definite person of interest but...


Change Vote: Jaded


Let's not rush into this until we get some answers but let's not ignore this either.

[d_w_w]

It is day 2 and he isn't on now. If someone sees someone is on or posting and wants to ask him or her a question they should. Sure we need to keep peoples minds on track some times but the beginning of a phase isn't that time. Even if the person isn't on I don't see the danger in throwing questions and accusations around.


Good point. Honestly, the people that made me raise an eyebrow yesterday were UT and 'Banger.


Anyway, someone did look ito Wallbanger last night, didn't they? Because:





BHK and MH get free passes on the Destiny vote (well, not free, but their votes are more understandable0. Wallbanger does not, surely? If I was scum I would have tried to get Destiny elected - what we see above is a subtle campaign from someone who in normal circumstances I would be very suprised to want to see Destiny elected. I would have thought others would have picked up on this apart from me, so think 'Banger may have been a popular target last night. So, 'Banger, anything to share from you before people have to tell you what they found out about yourself?

This is more or less my problem with 'Banger. I'd really like to see some more posts from him, explaining his rationale yesterday.


I'd like to know what moon_lit_tears did last night, and why she may come up as a threat.

Interesting.

I would feel better about it if she'd claimed it yesterday. You got to get out infront of these things.

/nod, this is my making sticking point regarding her claim. If I knew that I would come up as a threat when doing my nightly action, I think I would have got this information out on D1.

But I don't know that everyone would take that approach. Hmm.

You should know.

The fact that you dont bothers me.

It would be very odd, to me, if we had millers that were told that they were millers and millers that were not told that they were millers. I suppose time could prove me wrong on this, but until I see evidence to the contrary, if you aren't told that you will investigate as a threat, you won't.

This was admittedly an issue for me. I am a less than savory character, my PM even starts by saying something along those lines. This is why I asked GM on D1 if he knew that he was a miller - I was somewhat concerned that I was.

Am I the only one who trusts MLT?

Regardless, it comes down to this: She's telling the truth and her claiming can end horribly or she's lying and it doesn't matter.

After considering that, I don't see why anyone but scum would want her to give full disclosure. At that point, going by what she said, she may be worse than useless. If you already think she's lying, just lynch her.

I mean, it looks a little suspicious that right after she essentially says "Me saying my name benefits the scum", several people ask for full disclosure... :p

(You're not allowed to say I'm protecting her without pointing out how what I said doesn't make sense. I defend common sense without prejudice.)

There is one fairly obvious reason and it strikes me as odd that you're simply bypassing it. Or maybe some of her later posts have changed your perspective on things.

[d_w_w]

Here's the breakdown:

A) If MLT's target is town, it's in our best interests to lynch her. If she's town and they're town, if she succeeds, we're -2 when she leaves. If we lynch her, she can't succeed, so we're only -1.

B) If MLT's target is scum, it's in our best interests to lynch the other role. MLT won't leave if she doesn't kill them and, if they're scum, it's to our benefit that they die.

Plus, if MLT isn't actually town herself, we don't want her around.

My point is that the town has an incentive to stop MLT from succeeding... :p

I'm just curious. Where do you stand? Do you still believe her or not?

[moon_lit_tears]

*sig*

I didn't come out day 1 for a few reasons.

I've seen townie millers lynched over coming out.

I don't know how much the person I'm looking for knows.

I don't play this type of role often. I dislike when people say this is how it should be done.

There is not set way on how to play a role. I don't believe there is a set way to play ANY role. This goes back to being told that I'm not a good choice for being protected night 1 because I'm not a choice the scum make night 1.

I am playing my role the best I can. I wasn't expecting Destiny to come and look into me night 1. Maybe I'm wrong for holding that close to my chest, I just want to survive, hell I don't care if the person is lynched. Then my win condition becomes that of the town and I can win if I'm killed after that.

So you see there is a reason for me to not cone out day 1.

[d_w_w]

Some other notes:

I support the move towards Jaded.

Vote: Jaded

@MLT:

I don't know whether you are telling the truth or not, but it would make me feel better if I knew more about the person that you claim to need to kill.

I'm slightly concerned that it might be me, to be honest. I can totally see how my character could have harmed folks. If you'd like, I'll tell you exactly why and we can go from there. I can say this though - my PM says nothing about anyone looking for me.

I'm not going to ask you the questions that have already been asked (that is, the "full disclosure" stuff).

I have a different question: If you were to give out more information (e.g., your character's name and/or what this person has done to wrong you), would that information being out endanger you or would endanger the town as a whole?

From my perspective - townies are at risk every night. This is mafia. Scum kill town at night, it's the way of things. So, honestly, if putting that information out there only places you at an increased risk, then I'm not really sure that I buy your alignment.

Regarding Cappyman

It has been awhile since I've played with Brother Cappy, but does he seem "off" to anyone else. I know that I have played with folks that take a wishy-washy "I don't know anything/I can't support anything" stance before, but I can't remember if he was one of them.

[mjdgoldeneye]

There is one fairly obvious reason and it strikes me as odd that you're simply bypassing it. Or maybe some of her later posts have changed your perspective on things.

I don't see the reason. It's binary. Is she telling the truth? If yes, having her claim doesn't help us. If not, it doesn't matter. If you already don't believe her, you're implying that what she claimed is untrue. If what she claimed is untrue, it's still her claim. Therefore, she's going to name herself. I don't see how that would change anyone's opinion.

So, basically, her claiming would be trivial or negative either way.

I'm just curious. Where do you stand? Do you still believe her or not?

I don't have a reason to not believe her. I can only go by whether or not it would be a good modding decision to include her role in the game. It doesn't seem odd to me, so I have no reason to say I don't believe her.

This is why you should have elected me... :p I can't make decisions based on my gut because my brain doesn't want to hear it. I have no "feelings" about MLT one way or the other.

Without a night action or access to facts, I'm useless until there are enough puzzle pieces on the table for me to come up with wacky theories.

[d_w_w]

*sig*

I didn't come out day 1 for a few reasons.

I've seen townie millers lynched over coming out.

I don't know how much the person I'm looking for knows.

I don't play this type of role often. I dislike when people say this is how it should be done.

There is not set way on how to play a role. I don't believe there is a set way to play ANY role. This goes back to being told that I'm not a good choice for being protected night 1 because I'm not a choice the scum make night 1.

I am playing my role the best I can. I wasn't expecting Destiny to come and look into me night 1. Maybe I'm wrong for holding that close to my chest, I just want to survive, hell I don't care if the person is lynched. Then my win condition becomes that of the town and I can win if I'm killed after that.

So you see there is a reason for me to not cone out day 1.

Absolutely.

I'm not saying you played the role wrong, I'm just saying that I would have done it differently. If you had done it that way, you might have gotten killed on N1 and then well, you'd be asking yourself why you gave out so much information on D1.

The point, now, is that there is a threat result on you and I have no real way of telling whether or not you are an actual threat or if you are telling the truth.

[moon_lit_tears]

It doesn't give full detail on the person just that they *done harm to me*

[moon_lit_tears]

Absolutely.

I'm not saying you played the role wrong, I'm just saying that I would have done it differently. If you had done it that way, you might have gotten killed on N1 and then well, you'd be asking yourself why you gave out so much information on D1.

The point, now, is that there is a threat result on you and I have no real way of telling whether or not you are an actual threat or if you are telling the truth.

There are watchers in the game, no?

They see me target people and they die....

I know that doesn't clear me, but...I'm only after one and harm no one else...:(

[Prophet]

mlt, does your role discuss the harm done to you? Or is it simply stated?

A couple of other thoughts, while I let that first one percolate in my mind. First, I need a cup of coffee. Second, the topic of morally gray characters has me wary. As one who played that fence balance in the past, it raises more questions for me. Not enough to start ringing bells and whistles, but enough to have me keep an eye out for something.

I'm also becoming increasingly aware that a lot of us are lazy. The sun sets, and we all sit at home. lol (IE - I'm not the only one who doesn't go out at night.)

And on the subject of Jaded, I'm intrigued. I want to wait for him to plead his case before I vote, because of something specific asked. The situation does seem to have strong merit, though.

[d_w_w]

It doesn't give full detail on the person just that they *done harm to me*

Ok.

I don't see the reason. It's binary. Is she telling the truth? If yes, having her claim doesn't help us. If not, it doesn't matter. If you already don't believe her, you're implying that what she claimed is untrue. If what she claimed is untrue, it's still her claim. Therefore, she's going to name herself. I don't see how that would change anyone's opinion.


First - this was not about claiming, or at least, not only about claiming. Eayragt asked her for justification for her role. That's more about background information and flavor.

You assume that people "already don't" or "already do" believe her. I know this hurts your sensibilities, but for some us, the content of this flavor, which admittedly could be fabricated, could have swayed our opinion as to whether or not we believe her.

Now, obviously, there is that side issue of "if she's telling the truth, what are the costs of full disclosure" - but I contend that these costs are probably lower than the costs of mislynching her.

So the obvious reason is this: not everyone was sure whether or not they believed her.

Her most recent response has addressed the background information.

Unfortunately, it hasn't made me lean one way or the other.

[mjdgoldeneye]

You assume that people "already don't" or "already do" believe her. I know this hurts your sensibilities, but for some us, the content of this flavor, which admittedly could be fabricated, could have swayed our opinion as to whether or not we believe her.

But, if her chances were ruined in the process, what's the point? Knowing for the sake of peace of mind doesn't help us.

Now, obviously, there is that side issue of "if she's telling the truth, what are the costs of full disclosure" - but I contend that these costs are probably lower than the costs of mislynching her.

What about the costs of just letting her go? That's an important third option.

Compared to the other 2 options, 0 cost/0 gain is better than X cost/trivial gain.

Unless you think that her being scum means she is also an immediate threat, the third option is probably best.

My point is, waiting might give us our information without any cost at all. That leaves the question of whether or not THAT has too many risks. I think not. Her claim is not the claim of a major scum role carrier.

[SmartBomb]

So, we've got mlt, michgs, and who knows how many Nobles in this game...

that many millers? Surely one of those has to be scum.

[cappyboy]

Regarding Cappyman

It has been awhile since I've played with Brother Cappy, but does he seem "off" to anyone else. I know that I have played with folks that take a wishy-washy "I don't know anything/I can't support anything" stance before, but I can't remember if he was one of them.

Well, you could say I'm a day phase behind due to the council election taking up our whole first day phase. If Dragonmack's the one who got roleblocked and knows that Jaded did it, that's essentially the first thing that isn't something just anybody could say that's been said the whole game.

[d_w_w]

What about the costs of just letting her go? That's an important third option.

Compared to the other 2 options, 0 cost/0 gain is better than X cost/trivial gain.

Unless you think that her being scum means she is also an immediate threat, the third option is probably best.

My point is, waiting might give us our information without any cost at all. That leaves the question of whether or not THAT has too many risks. I think not. Her claim is not the claim of a major scum role carrier.

You know as well as I do that playing scum is all about running the numbers game. Each phase that scum get through without losing one of their own is a good day phase for scum.

If she's scum, she's a threat, regardless of magnitude of the threat that her particular role poses.

As it is though, her responses have left me uncertain of how to proceed and for right now, I'm onboard with letting her go.

I feel like the Q&A was justified and I'm fine with this conclusion, for now. Everyone that comes up as a threat should be prepared to give up information or be lynched. Otherwise, we are really minimizing the benefit from our investigation roles.

[d_w_w]

So, we've got mlt, michgs, and who knows how many Nobles in this game...

that many millers? Surely one of those has to be scum.

Agreed.

And frankly, too many of something else, but I'm not sure I want to dive into that just yet.

Off for the night. Be on tomorrow.

[SmartBomb]

But, if her chances were ruined in the process, what's the point? Knowing for the sake of peace of mind doesn't help us.



What about the costs of just letting her go? That's an important third option.

Compared to the other 2 options, 0 cost/0 gain is better than X cost/trivial gain.

Unless you think that her being scum means she is also an immediate threat, the third option is probably best.

My point is, waiting might give us our information without any cost at all. That leaves the question of whether or not THAT has too many risks. I think not. Her claim is not the claim of a major scum role carrier.

So what you're going to do is just sit on your ass every time scum claims a decent character and role? Not even think about lynching them? Maybe wait for some other investigators to reaffirm that she's scum? While town falls every night?

Huh. >.> Yeah, that works.

Yeah, 0cost/0gain is better than X cost/trivial gain, but what you've forgotten is if the phase goes on like it does, it's actually around 2 townies dead/0 gain. Remember, there is a night phase.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Well personally I'm not willing to 'let her go'. I mean right now yes, we may have something in the direction of Jaded, but in the long run I wouldn't mind having another crack at her. This "coming up threat while going out" business is too shady for me.

With the Nobles and now this? Too much to intake. Leaves you to wonder how different some's stances may have been in other games...

[SmartBomb]

Undertaker666 8
Jman2k3 7
MichiganHero 6
Ranson 5
Wallbanger 5
Dragonmack 3
Jaded 1

Not posted: TheKenwyne, djthefunkchris

Just pointing it out there. I'm remembering last game where I flew under the radar for four cycles, and my name wasn't even mentioned once. :cool:

[SmartBomb]

If MLT is telling the truth then you have to wonder why she would appear as a threat if she uses her ability? I doubt delivering a box of fluffy bunnies would be make her seem threatening.

----------

Some of you have mentioned this might be a delayed kill:



It doesn't sound like a guaranteed kill, more of a trap that goes off only if the person opens the door (ie. goes out at night).

And who knows, that might be MLT?

What, no mention of Chancellor Palpatine? :p

[moon_lit_tears]

I feel like the Q&A was justified and I'm fine with this conclusion, for now. Everyone that comes up as a threat should be prepared to give up information or be lynched. Otherwise, we are really minimizing the benefit from our investigation roles.

Agreed. In your place I would be doing the same.

This is why I remained quiet about my role. I know the risks of outing myself early. It's not good.

The quiet ones do concern me after the last game. :mad:

[mjdgoldeneye]

So what you're going to do is just sit on your ass every time scum claims a decent character and role?

Nope.

If we know it's scum claiming a decent character, I'll certainly lynch them.

Not even think about lynching them?

I thought about it. I will think about it. It's a case-by-case thing, as you obviously and inherently know (yet choose to forget).

Maybe wait for some other investigators to reaffirm that she's scum?

Don't need to.

While town falls every night?

Apparently not.

Huh. >.> Yeah, that works.

Yeah, 0cost/0gain is better than X cost/trivial gain, but what you've forgotten is if the phase goes on like it does, it's actually around 2 townies dead/0 gain. Remember, there is a night phase.

So, if we lynch MLT, there will be fewer kills?

The only way what your saying has any meat to it is if you can say "Yes" or at least "Probably". I mean, give me a "more likely than any other outcome" or something.

[SmartBomb]

Nope.

If we know it's scum claiming a decent character, I'll certainly lynch them.
How do you know it's scum claiming a decent character?

I thought about it. I will think about it. It's a case-by-case thing, as you obviously and inherently know (yet choose to forget).


Apologies :o Must have missed that.


Don't need to.


See first point.


Apparently not.


You're assuming each night will be a no-death situation?


So, if we lynch MLT, there will be fewer kills?


If we lynch a mafia, will there be fewer kills? Mafia other than don?


The only way what your saying has any meat to it is if you can say "Yes" or at least "Probably". I mean, give me a "more likely than any other outcome" or something.

Don't understand.

[mjdgoldeneye]

How do you know it's scum claiming a decent character?

Exactly.

You're assuming each night will be a no-death situation?

No, but we're probably not looking at a bloodbath.

If we lynch a mafia, will there be fewer kills? Mafia other than don?

What about if we lynch a townie?

Don't understand.

You're suggesting that you have reason to believe MLT is more than likely scum. If you are, what's your case? That she came up scum? Probably a decent case, but her explanation is solid. What about the other millers, though? People have a tendency to get distracted by the order in which information is revealed.

It's a big swirly vortex of unknowns.

If MLT was lynched, I wouldn't be upset. However, we can find out whether she's scum or not by doing nothing.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't take other routes or that all scum can be found out by waiting.

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 4 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Wallbanger: 1 (Ranson)
Jaded: 4 (Dragonmack, Paws7291, praguepride, d_w_w)

[i effin rule]

Will be watching UFC tonight, so don't count on me being around until after it is over.

[SmartBomb]

The problem with that logic is that you could apply it to every town and every scum lynch in existence, and just wait it out and consider it.

Problem is, if people get too deep into that mindset, we're going to see a string of no lynches.

And about the miller thing - GruntMark claimed bulletproof miller first, michgs counterclaimed him, and masterded got GruntMark's alignment right. So all of them seem fine.

I'd expect mlt to counterclaim GruntMark, though. That's what makes her scummier than the rest.

However, we can find out whether she's scum or not by doing nothing.

Um, what?

[BHK1978]

Okay until we hear more about Jaded I think I am going to place my vote down on:

Vote: moon_lit_tears

Why? I am not sure that I believe what she is saying. I would also like to ask where the heck is DJ?

[praguepride]

Well, you could say I'm a day phase behind due to the council election taking up our whole first day phase. If Dragonmack's the one who got roleblocked and knows that Jaded did it, that's essentially the first thing that isn't something just anybody could say that's been said the whole game.


You might want to reread that exchange.

Between this and the fence sitting, Cappy is creeping up on my scum list as well.

[SmartBomb]

I would also like to ask where the heck is DJ?

He's probably in a spot of bother, he hasn't posted in VG2 either.

I'm more worried about TheKenwyne, tbh.

[mjdgoldeneye]

The problem with that logic is that you could apply it to every town and every scum lynch in existence, and just wait it out and consider it.

Problem is, if people get too deep into that mindset, we're going to see a string of no lynches.

You don't understand. MLT's apparent win condition will play itself out one way or another, probably fairly quickly (either can die or she can succeed or someone can watch her or whatever). That doesn't apply to anyone else.

If it's 3 phases later and we've seen no signs of anything, then we have more to go on.

[moon_lit_tears]

He's probably in a spot of bother, he hasn't posted in VG2 either.

I'm more worried about TheKenwyne, tbh.

What happens when people go MIA?

Anyway going to bed. Just watched Mirrors 2 and I can have nightmares now. :D

[michgcs]

Not posted: TheKenwyne, djthefunkchris

Just pointing it out there. I'm remembering last game where I flew under the radar for four cycles, and my name wasn't even mentioned once. :cool:

LOL I know what you mean ;) Though I agree with the two who have yet to post, both guys seem to be fairly active in the games they're in...



I feel like the Q&A was justified and I'm fine with this conclusion, for now. Everyone that comes up as a threat should be prepared to give up information or be lynched. Otherwise, we are really minimizing the benefit from our investigation roles.

I'm willing to do that. I'm Dayordra Aligned , I go out at night, I don't harm anyone, and my PM explicitly states I come up a threat.

Not sure I believe MLT, I'd think her role (as described) would be more apt as an indy, though at least she's not against answering questions (assuming her answers are true)

[Undertaker666]

Undertaker666 8
Jman2k3 7
MichiganHero 6
Ranson 5
Wallbanger 5
Dragonmack 3
Jaded 1

Not posted: TheKenwyne, djthefunkchris

Just pointing it out there. I'm remembering last game where I flew under the radar for four cycles, and my name wasn't even mentioned once. :cool:

Friday was still nightphase and I went out before it was over, didn't get home until Saturday evening. I'll be out today from early afternoon (to watch the UFC) and wont be back until Monday morning. 'Tis the weekend!

You're suggesting that you have reason to believe MLT is more than likely scum. If you are, what's your case? That she came up scum? Probably a decent case, but her explanation is solid. What about the other millers, though? People have a tendency to get distracted by the order in which information is revealed.

I'd lynch everyone who comes up a threat, and all the millers... but that's because i'm a bit paranoid. :p

Will be watching UFC tonight, so don't count on me being around until after it is over.

*** No spoilers in this thread!!! ***

And about the miller thing - GruntMark claimed bulletproof miller first, michgs counterclaimed him, and masterded got GruntMark's alignment right. So all of them seem fine.

Unless they're grouped together and this is a big brass balls play.

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Unless some new information comes out before I go out for the day i'm going to be putting my vote on MLT.

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 5 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, Tha Black Phenom, BHK1978)
Wallbanger: 1 (Ranson)
Jaded: 4 (Dragonmack, Paws7291, praguepride, d_w_w)

[mjdgoldeneye]

*** No spoilers in this thread!!! ***

Brock Lesnar came out and destroyed everyone in the third round of the Silva/Belfort match. It was crazy.

(I didn't know you could book a "Sports Entertainment Finish" in WMMA3... :p)

[SmartBomb]

You don't understand. MLT's apparent win condition will play itself out one way or another, probably fairly quickly (either can die or she can succeed or someone can watch her or whatever). That doesn't apply to anyone else.

If it's 3 phases later and we've seen no signs of anything, then we have more to go on.

And NOW I understand, thanks for getting into my dense head. :o

[mjdgoldeneye]

Anyway, due to a lack of my own ideas, I will blindly follow those of others.

Vote: Jaded

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 5 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, Tha Black Phenom, BHK1978)
Wallbanger: 1 (Ranson)
Jaded: 5 (Dragonmack, Paws7291, praguepride, d_w_w, mjdgoldeneye)

[Jman2k3]

Brock Lesnar came out and destroyed everyone in the third round of the Silva/Belfort match. It was crazy.

(I didn't know you could book a "Sports Entertainment Finish" in WMMA3... :p)

You saw that too!?!?!?!?!?

[eayragt]

As we seem to like discussing mafia philisophy:

Generally on this forum we don't like to lynch of gut feeling, we like proof, or at least evidence which isn't explained away (in this game we have evidence on mlt, which she has explained). As a result of this there are often early No Lynchs.

If the town can win a game by lynching on proof or evidence not explained away regularly, either the town are getting lucky with night abilities, scum are playing badly, or the game isn't very well set up.

In the last year scum have got quite a few short game victories. Look back at them and you'll see a trend of No Lynchs at the beginning of the game. In longer games the town has longer to recover from sitting on their backsides doing nothing - in shorter games there's less time.

A mislynch is never a waste. You always learn information from a mislynch.

No-one votes for "No Lynch" anymore, but by refusing to vote on anyone they may as well be doing just that.


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That's my pontification over. Now how does that apply to this game?

We have three people currently being voted on, all for good reasons. None of them are proved scum, however.

I believe in this situation going by past games (and the fact it's the weekend... Super Bowl weekend to make it worse) there's at least a 50% chance of a No Lynch.

I firmly believe that going to a No Lynch would be a bad play. I think people agree, because no-one will vote for a No Lynch. However, everyone who does't vote may as well have a vote down for "No Lynch".

We have three possible choices for lynching:

moon_lit_tears:

Threat result. Came up with an explanation, unverifiable (as it should be). However, there are several points against her. The information has dribbled out, when with a scum result I don't see why she wouldn't have revealed all that she was willing to reveal at once. It's a trait common with scum who are being questioned, who don't want to reveal too much in case someone has more information on them that theydon't know about. Also, could leave the game at some point if she kills another player. If this player is town then we'd be better off killing her now, even if she is town, otherwise is two nights time she could kill a townie and leave.

Wallbanger:

Playing like scum

Jaded:

Was roleblocked on a night where there were no kills, yet to answer questions posed of him.

All are good choices. All could be town (they're not). 'Banger and Jaded may be able to suggest why they aren't scum.

Now, we were lucky and got a night off kills last night... or so it seems. If there was a delayed kill of any time (infection, trap etc) we may only be one kill short, and the second one is forthcoming. Does that give us an excuse to go "No Lynch"? Only if we are going to sit back and wait for night actions to win us the game. And if we do that we deserve to lose, as we should bevery lucky to win if we rely on night actions alone.

Lynch and we learn. Hell, I'll am voting, and if it ends up being part of a mislynch you will have learnt that my judgment is questionable. That's goo information.

Again, there are three candidates, unless anyone had any more information. It's a vote for one of them or an effective vote for No Lynch. No Lynchs throw the momentum back to scum.

[Ranson]

Change vote: Jaded

Might as well try to move with one of the tides. The evidence is good enough, given the last dozen or so pages, and shouting at a wall like a cranky, confused old man with my one vote won't actually accomplish anything.

[michgcs]

Vote: Jaded

Don't know what time I'll be online tomorrow, so leaving this here in case you need it.

[Undertaker666]

I'm off out and wont be back until tomorrow.

Vote: Moon Lit Tears

[Tha Black Phenom]

You're suggesting that you have reason to believe MLT is more than likely scum. If you are, what's your case? That she came up scum? Probably a decent case, but her explanation is solid. What about the other millers, though? People have a tendency to get distracted by the order in which information is revealed.

It's a big swirly vortex of unknowns.

If MLT was lynched, I wouldn't be upset. However, we can find out whether she's scum or not by doing nothing.

That doesn't mean we shouldn't take other routes or that all scum can be found out by waiting.

The other millers' explanation is more solid and provable than MLT's, IMO. Not saying they're truthful and MLT isn't, slight difference. And this miller business on top of what we already have to deal with takes the cake for me.

But heads are torn on her direction and I can respect that. For the chance at a greater lead, I'll play ball and Change Vote: Jaded. But I trust this thing as far as I can throw it.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm off out and wont be back until tomorrow.

Vote: Moon Lit Tears

I <3 you. :p

I'm going to a superbowl/poker get together. I will be back late tonight. :(

MJ........and we seem to never agree...:p is correct. I'm easy to figure out. Anyway if you have more questions just ask away. I'll be around for a little bit but not much longer and what I dint get to now will be answered as close to day phase as possible. :p

[Comradebot]

As we seem to like discussing mafia philisophy:

Generally on this forum we don't like to lynch of gut feeling, we like proof, or at least evidence which isn't explained away (in this game we have evidence on mlt, which she has explained). As a result of this there are often early No Lynchs.

If the town can win a game by lynching on proof or evidence not explained away regularly, either the town are getting lucky with night abilities, scum are playing badly, or the game isn't very well set up.

In the last year scum have got quite a few short game victories. Look back at them and you'll see a trend of No Lynchs at the beginning of the game. In longer games the town has longer to recover from sitting on their backsides doing nothing - in shorter games there's less time.

A mislynch is never a waste. You always learn information from a mislynch.

No-one votes for "No Lynch" anymore, but by refusing to vote on anyone they may as well be doing just that.


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That's my pontification over. Now how does that apply to this game?

We have three people currently being voted on, all for good reasons. None of them are proved scum, however.

I believe in this situation going by past games (and the fact it's the weekend... Super Bowl weekend to make it worse) there's at least a 50% chance of a No Lynch.

I firmly believe that going to a No Lynch would be a bad play. I think people agree, because no-one will vote for a No Lynch. However, everyone who does't vote may as well have a vote down for "No Lynch".

We have three possible choices for lynching:

moon_lit_tears:

Threat result. Came up with an explanation, unverifiable (as it should be). However, there are several points against her. The information has dribbled out, when with a scum result I don't see why she wouldn't have revealed all that she was willing to reveal at once. It's a trait common with scum who are being questioned, who don't want to reveal too much in case someone has more information on them that theydon't know about. Also, could leave the game at some point if she kills another player. If this player is town then we'd be better off killing her now, even if she is town, otherwise is two nights time she could kill a townie and leave.

Wallbanger:

Playing like scum

Jaded:

Was roleblocked on a night where there were no kills, yet to answer questions posed of him.

All are good choices. All could be town (they're not). 'Banger and Jaded may be able to suggest why they aren't scum.

Now, we were lucky and got a night off kills last night... or so it seems. If there was a delayed kill of any time (infection, trap etc) we may only be one kill short, and the second one is forthcoming. Does that give us an excuse to go "No Lynch"? Only if we are going to sit back and wait for night actions to win us the game. And if we do that we deserve to lose, as we should bevery lucky to win if we rely on night actions alone.

Lynch and we learn. Hell, I'll am voting, and if it ends up being part of a mislynch you will have learnt that my judgment is questionable. That's goo information.

Again, there are three candidates, unless anyone had any more information. It's a vote for one of them or an effective vote for No Lynch. No Lynchs throw the momentum back to scum.

1. A no lynch is always better than a mislynch. When I'm scum, I love mislynches. No lynches... eh, kind of a wash. Of course, this is only certain days... and this isn't one of those days. One of those three should probably hang today.

2. I agree, MLT's response reeks. Feels like she's feeling out the evidence against her, slowly trickling info out... again, I understand not wanting to reveal something that could harm your chances at winning. But at this point, whoever she's looking for now knows who she is. There's zero point not to have full disclosure now. Again, its even harder to find someone if you get lynched.

3. Scum or town, what reason does Jaded have to talk? We have an investigation on MLT and a dubious defense. We have almost no leverage on him. Still, there's probably a vig in this game... maybe that thought will motivate him to talk.

[Ranson]

I <3 you. :p

I'm going to a superbowl/poker get together. I will be back late tonight. :(

MJ........and we seem to never agree...:p is correct. I'm easy to figure out. Anyway if you have more questions just ask away. I'll be around for a little bit but not much longer and what I dint get to now will be answered as close to day phase as possible. :p

Good luck to you, though I know you're likely rooting for the stinkin' Packers...

[moon_lit_tears]

Good luck to you, though I know you're likely rooting for the stinkin' Packers...

Pfft. I'm a skins fan. Everyone here are Ravens fans. So of course I'm rooting for the steelers to piss everyone off. :p

C-Bot. I've given everything I can. I was nit trickeling info. In the beginning yes I was being a bit......tight with my info, but now that it is all out you should understand why. :(

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 5 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, BHK1978, Undertaker666)
Jaded: 8 (Dragonmack, Paws7291, praguepride, d_w_w, mjdgoldeneye, Ranson, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)

[eayragt]

1. A no lynch is always better than a mislynch. When I'm scum, I love mislynches. No lynches... eh, kind of a wash. Of course, this is only certain days... and this isn't one of those days. One of those three should probably hang today.

2. I agree, MLT's response reeks. Feels like she's feeling out the evidence against her, slowly trickling info out... again, I understand not wanting to reveal something that could harm your chances at winning. But at this point, whoever she's looking for now knows who she is. There's zero point not to have full disclosure now. Again, its even harder to find someone if you get lynched.

3. Scum or town, what reason does Jaded have to talk? We have an investigation on MLT and a dubious defense. We have almost no leverage on him. Still, there's probably a vig in this game... maybe that thought will motivate him to talk.

1. In Host the first mislynch led directly to my death. I was scum. When you take everything into consideration that was a good mislynch.

2. Yep

3. Partially agree, but Jaded needs to give up something here. Maybe dm thinks he knows where if is in the write up and it reads to him that his target was up to no good in addition to the fact there was no kill. Maybe something else. Maybe there's nothing more. But it would be nice for Jaded to let us know if he knows if if was roleblocked and what sex he is. What we've got is silence, and although real life tm can play its part, so can being scum (see: Wallbanger).

[cappyboy]

That's my pontification over. Now how does that apply to this game?

We have three people currently being voted on, all for good reasons. None of them are proved scum, however.

I believe in this situation going by past games (and the fact it's the weekend... Super Bowl weekend to make it worse) there's at least a 50% chance of a No Lynch.

I firmly believe that going to a No Lynch would be a bad play. I think people agree, because no-one will vote for a No Lynch. However, everyone who does't vote may as well have a vote down for "No Lynch".

We have three possible choices for lynching:

moon_lit_tears:

Threat result. Came up with an explanation, unverifiable (as it should be). However, there are several points against her. The information has dribbled out, when with a scum result I don't see why she wouldn't have revealed all that she was willing to reveal at once. It's a trait common with scum who are being questioned, who don't want to reveal too much in case someone has more information on them that theydon't know about. Also, could leave the game at some point if she kills another player. If this player is town then we'd be better off killing her now, even if she is town, otherwise is two nights time she could kill a townie and leave.

Wallbanger:

Playing like scum

Jaded:

Was roleblocked on a night where there were no kills, yet to answer questions posed of him.

All are good choices. All could be town (they're not). 'Banger and Jaded may be able to suggest why they aren't scum.

Now, we were lucky and got a night off kills last night... or so it seems. If there was a delayed kill of any time (infection, trap etc) we may only be one kill short, and the second one is forthcoming. Does that give us an excuse to go "No Lynch"? Only if we are going to sit back and wait for night actions to win us the game. And if we do that we deserve to lose, as we should bevery lucky to win if we rely on night actions alone.

Lynch and we learn. Hell, I'll am voting, and if it ends up being part of a mislynch you will have learnt that my judgment is questionable. That's goo information.

Again, there are three candidates, unless anyone had any more information. It's a vote for one of them or an effective vote for No Lynch. No Lynchs throw the momentum back to scum.

THANK YOU!!

This is the kind of post I've been waiting for. I may not necessarily KNOW more than I did before. But I can at least use this as a framework to make sense of all the random bits and bobs that are out there.

Not saying any of the above IS happening. But as I'm understanding the game, the following scenario certainly seems like it's true.

Suppose MLT is levelling with us with her story. And the person she's looking for KNOWS it. Suppose the person's looking for knows they are being sought and they need to get rid of her to fulfill their own win condition. Or at least a part of it. After what happened last night, they might not be able to afford the risk of trying to eliminate her at night only to get blocked like everyone did last night. So they seek to discredit her. The threat claim comes from a player known for getting dodgy roles. That piques my curiosity.

Then there's Wallbanger who you find scummy and has been propping said player of typically dodgy characters in uncharacteristic fashion. Which brings two scenarios to mind. Either A: Destiny might be her target and is seeking to eliminate her to insure either partial victory. Or B: maybe Wallbanger is and he traded his council support to Destiny for the phony threat result. Now granted both ideas hang on MLT being trustworthy, a scenario I'm not 100% sold on. And none of this explains the Jaded/Dragonmack saga. But at least it's a starting point.

[cappyboy]

Not saying any of the above IS happening. But as I'm understanding the game, the following scenario certainly seems like it's true.


Or at least has the potential to be. Darn fingers. They always seem to move too fast when I have a lot to say.

[GruntMark]

That is if I believe the two of you. Which I am not sure that I do.


3. How many does it take before its not a horribly thought out conspiracy and just (likely) the truth?

Right now we could have a full council of scum for all I know. I rather not believe that. Especially not in Gruntmark's case because that could potentially leave a threat in a poisition of power if we all generally accept he's bulletproof.

At this point, I just want to say, I feel pretty good about my fellow council members. And really, the odds of electing 2/3rds scum would seem remote.

Actually, since I assume they both come up town, and there is only one don (I assume) I dont think they could BOTH be scum.


She said "me saying my name benefits someone to do with my mini game who is evil", not scum. Sure, evil normally = scum, but are we going to let her get away with that? Whenever do mini-games just feature a scum? In my experience it's more likely an indy like a serial killer, or another townie, or faction.


/nod

I would bet town or indy. Which means we are at some point giving MLT a free run at somone likely to vote with the town.

But I don't think we should start thinking along the lines of "well, if he's miller and he's miller, then maybe I am too... and maybe she is too!" because we're just allowing ourselves to stretch things - the first part is already a stretch(but believable, easily tested) the rest is just making this longer than as elastic band, and God knows how many things we're gonna allow should Destiny stay alive and somehow catch more people under the bus. We gotta act sometime.


I know two people havent posted (and DJ is absent from the other game too) but Im about out of how many millers I'll believe in.


I've seen townie millers lynched over coming out.


Being miller day one in this game probably wouldnt have gotten you lynch.

Just saying. ;)


You assume that people "already don't" or "already do" believe her. I know this hurts your sensibilities, but for some us, the content of this flavor, which admittedly could be fabricated, could have swayed our opinion as to whether or not we believe her.

Would go a long way for me. Dont like how vague this is. Some things have a ring of truth and some dont. Its hard to judge when its so cloudy.

Seeing as how my PM is very character specific, I find it hard to believe she doesnt know more. Maybe she just doesnt want to tip her hand though.


And frankly, too many of something else, but I'm not sure I want to dive into that just yet.

/nod

Well personally I'm not willing to 'let her go'. I mean right now yes, we may have something in the direction of Jaded, but in the long run I wouldn't mind having another crack at her. This "coming up threat while going out" business is too shady for me.


Id rather not see Jaded lynched without his imput.

I mean, he COULD be the blocked killer, but he could be just about anything else. Maybe he doesnt go out. I dont see any protections, but I do see one person forgo their kill (probably) which might mean they targetted me.



If we know it's scum claiming a decent character, I'll certainly lynch them.


Havent you told us frequently that we dont KNOW you are scum cause its impossible without reading your role PM?

So, by your logic, how do you propose we KNOW who is scum enough to lynch them?

Investigation results?

No wait...


I'd expect mlt to counterclaim GruntMark, though. That's what makes her scummier than the rest.


/nod

Actually, her claim is really similiar to mine. BP, miller....lot of same elements. Seems like something worth mentioning if you are electing people for town leadership positions.

I'd lynch everyone who comes up a threat, and all the millers... but that's because i'm a bit paranoid. :p


Then its day 6 and you've lost. :p

Actually, you're scum...so you've won. But the town lost.

I'm easy

Cool.

3. Scum or town, what reason does Jaded have to talk?

My gut says he should talk, or tonight might go poorly for him. Unless Ive misread some things.

Or B: maybe Wallbanger is and he traded his council support to Destiny for the phony threat result.

In this scenario...Destiny is either not an investigator or WB is psychic?

Cool.

Actually, both are silly cause the startig premise is MLT is Trustworthy.

She comes up threat. Even if she is not scum, she has a mission that is not our own and has good reason to lie as much as needed to achieve it.

Even if you dont want to lynch her (and Im on the fence) she isnt trustworthy.

[Dragonmack]

THANK YOU!!

And none of this explains the Jaded/Dragonmack saga. But at least it's a starting point.

Not sure what saga you are referring to. I pointed out there were no kills at night and a person was roleblocked and offered that person as someone worth looking into.

3.

Id rather not see Jaded lynched without his imput.

I mean, he COULD be the blocked killer, but he could be just about anything else. Maybe he doesnt go out. I dont see any protections, but I do see one person forgo their kill (probably) which might mean they targetted me.





I'd like to hear from him too, if for nothing else than to offer some kind of defense that could provide the town information. But interestingly, Jaded has only posted once in this game and that was back on the second when he voted for Paws in the election.

[GruntMark]

I'd like to hear from him too, if for nothing else than to offer some kind of defense that could provide the town information. But interestingly, Jaded has only posted once in this game and that was back on the second when he voted for Paws in the election.

/nod

Jaded has never been a heavy poster though. He is observant and fairly consistant, when town, of being a reliable contributor at the end game. Just dont want to throw him away because he might be a blocked killer.

OTOH, if the scum can pick their killer...Jaded makes a good choice, just because he so often falls through the cracks.

[moon_lit_tears]

I know you don't trust me.

You have options.
I'm willing to play ball. I will lay my vote when asked.

With that I'm off to pick up the goodies for tonight and get out chips set up (since I'm the only one who can I suppose)

Wish me luck and have fun


Go STEELERS!!!!!!!! :p

[eayragt]

/nod

Jaded has never been a heavy poster though. He is observant and fairly consistant, when town, of being a reliable contributor at the end game. Just dont want to throw him away because he might be a blocked killer.

OTOH, if the scum can pick their killer...Jaded makes a good choice, just because he so often falls through the cracks.

Although the normal reason that Jaded is not a heavy poster is because he's a school teacher, and he can only post during the week at limited times (he's able to post more during holiday, e.g. Movieland Massacre).

It's not the week. Doesn't mean real life tm hasn't taken over. Just sayin'.

[eayragt]

I know you don't trust me.

You have options.
I'm willing to play ball. I will lay my vote when asked.

With that I'm off to pick up the goodies for tonight and get out chips set up (since I'm the only one who can I suppose)

Wish me luck and have fun


Go STEELERS!!!!!!!! :p

Could you lay your vote on moon_lit_tears please?

Thanks,

Love and kisses,

eayragt

[i effin rule]

Go STEELERS!!!!!!!! :p

moon_lit_tears has won the game.

[cappyboy]

In this scenario...Destiny is either not an investigator or WB is psychic?


Yes and no.

In that scenario B of mine, Destiny is not an investigator and Wallbanger doesn't have to be psychic. He just has to not care what the truth about MLT is. The presumption in that case is that they are both bad news and she's something totally different and therefore expendable in their mind.

[cappyboy]

At this point, I just want to say, I feel pretty good about my fellow council members. And really, the odds of electing 2/3rds scum would seem remote.

Actually, since I assume they both come up town, and there is only one don (I assume) I dont think they could BOTH be scum.


Man I wish I'd double quoted since both parts I want to respond to are you. But you know, I WANT to believe you're right on this. But I'm not even completely sold on you yet. Those two scenarios I put forth are the first brainstorms I've had that even have the potential for sense and I acknowledge there's a lot of conjecture that could be all wrong in them. If I'm to be of any use to Dayordra, I have to firm up the differences between what I believe, what I don't, and what I'd merely want to.

[GruntMark]

Yes and no.

In that scenario B of mine, Destiny is not an investigator and Wallbanger doesn't have to be psychic. He just has to not care what the truth about MLT is. The presumption in that case is that they are both bad news and she's something totally different and therefore expendable in their mind.

In that case...she admitted she's a threat, under the belief she had been investigated. So still not trustworthy.

You know who didnt admit they come up threat yesterday and wait instead to be investigated? Scum.

You really should give more weight to the simpliest answers. Destiny has claimed himself as a power role since basically his first post. He likely believes he is an accurate investigator. He doesnt/didnt trust me, partially because I come up threat, implying his does not. He is likely town.

If your starting point is "MLT is Trustworthy" even though you KNOW she has entirely her own motives, then you are approaching the problem from entirely the wrong angle.

[Ranson]

moon_lit_tears has won the game.

Hey, Imma Stillers fan, too, y'know.