Enemies of the Noble: Rise of the Apostasy [Game Thread]

[praguepride]

So...we gonna go through and lynch Jaded or try and swing back towards MLT


I think both are scum, but if Jaded was blocked in a kill, perhaps we can nail an SK and 1/2 potential night kills.

I say we keep swinging at Jaded. By my guesstimate, we have about 7 hours to deadline, and a no lynch at THIS junction, when we have two prime candidates would be a terrible thing.

[cappyboy]

In that case...she admitted she's a threat, under the belief she had been investigated. So still not trustworthy.

You know who didnt admit they come up threat yesterday and wait instead to be investigated? Scum.

You really should give more weight to the simpliest answers. Destiny has claimed himself as a power role since basically his first post. He likely believes he is an accurate investigator. He doesnt/didnt trust me, partially because I come up threat, implying his does not. He is likely town.

If your starting point is "MLT is Trustworthy" even though you KNOW she has entirely her own motives, then you are approaching the problem from entirely the wrong angle.

And I'm not. I wish I were. That would make figuring my position out so much easier. My problem is that due to my ability I have to have all my P's and Q's in order. The last time my night play had the kind of stakes it does now I botched the responsibility badly due to falling in love with my own ideas. I'm not trying to be coy or difficult or play dumb. I'm walking on eggshells over here. I tell you, I may love my character's backstory and status in the story world. But I so wish I could be a little more vanilla.

[i effin rule]

Hey, Imma Stillers fan, too, y'know.

Ranson also wins the game.

[eayragt]

So...we gonna go through and lynch Jaded or try and swing back towards MLT


I think both are scum, but if Jaded was blocked in a kill, perhaps we can nail an SK and 1/2 potential night kills.

I say we keep swinging at Jaded. By my guesstimate, we have about 7 hours to deadline, and a no lynch at THIS junction, when we have two prime candidates would be a terrible thing.

Personally I'd prefer mlt - if we thing their both threats then we may as well let the one who hasn't given his story yet a shot.

But I'll quite happily move my vote over if needed (assuming Jaded doesn't come on and convince me otherwise). I'd like this sorted before everyone sits down in front of the warm up to the match and forgets this game is going on.

So actually, I don't really want to go down the vote splitting route. Jaded's got an hour before my vote moves, as we're closer to lynching him.

[cappyboy]

Personally I'd prefer mlt - if we thing their both threats then we may as well let the one who hasn't given his story yet a shot.

But I'll quite happily move my vote over if needed (assuming Jaded doesn't come on and convince me otherwise). I'd like this sorted before everyone sits down in front of the warm up to the match and forgets this game is going on.

So actually, I don't really want to go down the vote splitting route. Jaded's got an hour before my vote moves, as we're closer to lynching him.

Once again, thank you. First you give me a framework to create a potential brainstorm and now you've helped me figure out how I can resolve the scenario proactively. Which means it no longer matters if I believe her or not.

Vote: Moon_lit_tears

[moon_lit_tears]

Could you lay your vote on moon_lit_tears please?

Thanks,

Love and kisses,

eayragt

Kisses to you too, but no.

moon_lit_tears has won the game.

<3

So you have me who clearly was not target for the blocked kill....yet you wish to lynch me.
/shrug...this is why I did not say anything day 1.

O didn't counter GMs claim because I'm not BP. Only when I choose to not try to win my game.

Uf the person is not killed by me, but is dead I become vanilla. Why in the hell would I counter claim him? What proof would I have had? To sit in my ass and do nothing? THAY is not playing to my win condition now is it?

[eayragt]

So you have me who clearly was not target for the blocked kill....yet you wish to lynch me.

We don't know what happened with the blocked kill. For all we know Jaded may be able to prove it wasn't him. That's irrelevant.

I'm voting for the lynch because I don't believe you. I may be wrong, but the slow, drip fed claim, the late reveal of bullettproofness, the knowing exactly your role if you don't succeed all adds up. None enough on it's own, but together...

Add in the fact of killing you before you kill someone who could be a townie and then watching you leave the game if you are telling the truth seems pretty reasonable, and I feel pretty comfortable about this either way.

[Jaded]

He was up to no good, clearly, but he was being patient. He had to make certain before acting. He began to approach his target but had to stop. He knew instantly he wouldn’t be successful tonight.


If this is me - I'm fairly sure it is - "up to no good" is a little bit nasty as a write-up. I'm mischevious rather than flat out bad. (And before the obvious question's asked, I have no reason to think I'm miller number 76 or whatever that would make it, I just have a character who annoys people.)

I was trying to hide last night - ironically behind Dragonmack - because I wanted to get through my abilities as fast as possible. (I have 3 and will get another 3 once I've used them all.)

Vote: moon_lit_tears

I don't buy the claim, personally, and I'm concerned that even if it IS true we could lose two townies...

[mjdgoldeneye]

The other millers' explanation is more solid and provable than MLT's, IMO.

How is anyone more provable than MLT? MLT essentially has timer attached to her role. Odds are some combination of winning and dying will happen relatively soon (especially now that she's out in the open).

Though, I concede that if it ever gets to the point where you're suspicious of me for linking myself with MLT, I'd lynch her just to prove a point... :cool:

Havent you told us frequently that we dont KNOW you are scum cause its impossible without reading your role PM?

So, by your logic, how do you propose we KNOW who is scum enough to lynch them?

Investigation results?

No wait...

We don't have to know. However, we aim to have substantial proof. I really don't think we have substantial proof on anyone. Without exaggeration, I've come out with Day 1-3 investigation results on people about 4 times where they were framed or were a miller. That's just from me. After mislynching half a dozen people from false results, I've begun to take investigation results with a grain of salt. I'll stop when we stop demolishing townies regularly. Hell, if we have enough to lynch MLT, don't we have enough to lynch you? How do we not?

In the absence of proof, we'd best go for the outcome with the best chance of not ending badly. I think Jaded is the best choice. There's been no explanation from him.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Of course Jaded posts while I'm typing... His explanation is fair enough.

Screw it, I'm going to have to concede that the bulletproof thing really makes no sense when you think about it. "Also, I'm bulletproof!" is something Arrows would say and somehow he'd win the game. However, that doesn't mean I EVER EVER EVER believe him.

Change Vote: moon_lit_tears

If she's town, you're all terrible people.

[GruntMark]

Hell, if we have enough to lynch MLT, don't we have enough to lynch you? How do we not?


A story supported by two independent sources?

I really dont remember mislynching that many times due to poor results.

Yall must be pretty terrible when Im not looking.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I really dont remember mislynching that many times due to poor results.

Yall must be pretty terrible when Im not looking.

I swear, it feels like it happens once a game. Twice every three games at least.

[eayragt]

If this is me - I'm fairly sure it is - "up to no good" is a little bit nasty as a write-up. I'm mischevious rather than flat out bad. (And before the obvious question's asked, I have no reason to think I'm miller number 76 or whatever that would make it, I just have a character who annoys people.)

I was trying to hide last night - ironically behind Dragonmack - because I wanted to get through my abilities as fast as possible. (I have 3 and will get another 3 once I've used them all.)

Vote: moon_lit_tears

I don't buy the claim, personally, and I'm concerned that even if it IS true we could lose two townies...

Might be worth tellingn Dragonmack how much you want to use your ability tonight otherwise he might just be tempted to try roleblocking you again ;).

How is anyone more provable than MLT? MLT essentially has timer attached to her role. Odds are some combination of winning and dying will happen relatively soon (especially now that she's out in the open).

Though, I concede that if it ever gets to the point where you're suspicious of me for linking myself with MLT, I'd lynch her just to prove a point... :cool:

If it ever gets to that point? Sounds like you need to move your vote over now.

Your first point is moot. Assuming her target can't kill or is not in a group that can kill, she's in no danger - scum would have no reason to kill her, and would just want her to hurry up and win the game.

We don't have to know. However, we aim to have substantial proof. I really don't think we have substantial proof on anyone. Without exaggeration, I've come out with Day 1-3 investigation results on people about 4 times where they were framed or were a miller. That's just from me. After mislynching half a dozen people from false results, I've begun to take investigation results with a grain of salt. I'll stop when we stop demolishing townies regularly. Hell, if we have enough to lynch MLT, don't we have enough to lynch you? How do we not?

In the absence of proof, we'd best go for the outcome with the best chance of not ending badly. I think Jaded is the best choice. There's been no explanation from him.

You are correct. This is called mafia. Lynching only on "substantial proof" is not the name of the game. This game is not about town using their night abilities, it is about townies reading people and lynching (sometimes guided by night abilities). We have a reason to lynch Gruntmark. We have a reason to lynch moon_lit_tears. We have a reason to lynch Jaded. Someone's probably got more reasons to lynch someone else too. Let's assume mlt is scum, but scum have a set hitman. What's the proof that you want, and how wil we get it? Scum result? Nope. Tracking to a kill? No. Accidentally posting in here rather than the scum forum? Well, possible. Good luck with that.

[eayragt]

Okay, so you have moved yuor vote over now... :rolleyes:

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 8 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, BHK1978, Undertaker666, cappyboy, Jaded, mjdgoldeneye)
Jaded: 7 (Dragonmack, Paws7291, praguepride, d_w_w, Ranson, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)


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[GruntMark]

Okay...

Vote: Moon Lit Tears

Im really sorry.

But Id be more sorry if you would go for the Packers.

[mjdgoldeneye]

You are correct. This is called mafia. Lynching only on "substantial proof" is not the name of the game.

Yes it is. It absolutely is.

You do not need a SINGLE result to get proof. You need quality discussion. You need to question the odds, question behaviors, and prioritize. I suddenly woke up near the end of the Zim game after phoning it in for 80% of the game. I spent most of the game without any ideas, but then I caught one thing and it bloomed into us being able to figure out the rest of the scum. It was all deduction.

Any actual night results people got was obfuscated by the silliness of the theme. Plus, I think BlueStar was giving us false, misleading info for a fairly long time as well.

Frankly, if the town is collectively good enough, you can almost win a game without guessing OR night abilities. Almost.

Proof simply means evidence that can't be reasonably be negated.

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 9 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, BHK1978, Undertaker666, cappyboy, Jaded, mjdgoldeneye, GruntMark)
Jaded: 7 (Dragonmack, Paws7291, praguepride, d_w_w, Ranson, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)


*If you see any issues, be sure to let us know.

[eayragt]

Yes it is. It absolutely is.

You do not need a SINGLE result to get proof. You need quality discussion. You need to question the odds, question behaviors, and prioritize. I suddenly woke up near the end of the Zim game after phoning it in for 80% of the game. I spent most of the game without any ideas, but then I caught one thing and it bloomed into us being able to figure out the rest of the scum. It was all deduction.

Any actual night results people got was obfuscated by the silliness of the theme. Plus, I think BlueStar was giving us false, misleading info for a fairly long time as well.

Frankly, if the town is collectively good enough, you can almost win a game without guessing OR night abilities. Almost.

Proof simply means evidence that can't be reasonably be negated.

Sounds like you've been playing too many games against poor scum or set up with too many townie abilities that back scum into a corner. If you think this one is the same feel free to phone it in for a couple of days. Meet back here... say... same time, next Sunday? If we haven't won by then, of course.

[praguepride]

Change Vote: moon_lit_tears

We've got to make a decision and stick with it people. I'm out for the rest of the day, which FYI ends in approx 6:30 hours.

Still needs a few more votes...

[Dragonmack]

He was up to no good, clearly, but he was being patient. He had to make certain before acting. He began to approach his target but had to stop. He knew instantly he wouldn’t be successful tonight.

1. Being up to no good doesn't sound like a hider to me or working in the best interest of the town.
2. Miller, really? Like that claim hasn't been made a million times this game already.
3. Fairly sure that isn't you anyway because


Having heard something outside of his door he peaked his out. As soon as he did he was hit in the face with a wet clerrat. The animal screeched and clawed the face of the victim before hitting the ground and running off.

4. This is you.

However, momentum has swung back MLT's way, and rather than have a divided vote and no lynch.

Change Vote: Moon lit tears

And we will just have to deal with Jaded the next day ( or night ;) )

[mjdgoldeneye]

Sounds like you've been playing too many games against poor scum or set up with too many townie abilities that back scum into a corner. If you think this one is the same feel free to phone it in for a couple of days. Meet back here... say... same time, next Sunday? If we haven't won by then, of course.

You totally miss the point. I'm guessing it was intentional.

I'm not going to flame. However, if you think guessing is the only way to win, note where my vote is.

[Jaded]

2. Miller, really? Like that claim hasn't been made a million times this game already.

I specifically said I'm NOT a miller; I know you always want me lynched but jeez!

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 11 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, BHK1978, Undertaker666, cappyboy, Jaded, mjdgoldeneye, GruntMark, praguepride, Dragonmack)
Jaded: 5 (Paws7291, d_w_w, Ranson, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)


*If you see any issues, be sure to let us know.

[Tha Black Phenom]

How is anyone more provable than MLT? MLT essentially has timer attached to her role. Odds are some combination of winning and dying will happen relatively soon (especially now that she's out in the open).

Though, I concede that if it ever gets to the point where you're suspicious of me for linking myself with MLT, I'd lynch her just to prove a point... :cool:

Well, we're just taking on different conjectures, you as in if she's town, and me as in if she's scum. My mindset's based around that we'd be waiting for a while with the 'timer' aspect as you say while the other millers are slightly more verifiable shorter term(coupled with that there must be more to m-ded's role), and much much harder to refute than MLT's story.

Change Vote: moon_lit_tears

Y'all lucky I didn't leave home yet.

[Dragonmack]

I specifically said I'm NOT a miller; I know you always want me lynched but jeez!

you're right . You are not a miller. You are probably scum or an sk. ;) :D

[eayragt]

4. This is you.

...

And we will just have to deal with Jaded the next day ( or night ;) )

Someone was doing a very bad attempt at hiding...

Although in fairness roleblocking is just about the one role that would take priority over hiding, but still, didn't look like an attempted hide.

Although didn't really look like a kill either, so meh.

You totally miss the point. I'm guessing it was intentional.

Partially right. I got your point but I disagreed, and didn't want to get into a tiresome argument, so posted somwhat facetiously. We can agree to disagree on mafia fundamentals, no?

[SmartBomb]

TBH that section sounds like a kill protection.

[SmartBomb]

*the one that Jaded pointed out

[Jaded]

Having heard something outside of his door he peaked his out. As soon as he did he was hit in the face with a wet clerrat. The animal screeched and clawed the face of the victim before hitting the ground and running off.[/B]

I REALLY don't think this is me. Dmack, are you completely sure it is?

[cappyboy]

Partially right. I got your point but I disagreed, and didn't want to get into a tiresome argument, so posted somwhat facetiously. We can agree to disagree on mafia fundamentals, no?

I should certainly hope so. Otherwise, I need to quit playing. I never accept things as obvious that seemingly the rest of the game would. I can be really blind to hints. I take actions that sometimes I'm the only one to understand the logic for. I certainly don't play to a preset style that game designers would account for. If Mafia fundamentals only run the one way, I need to start playing Tiddly Winks instead. :)

[praguepride]

my notes have us at L-1.

On a side note my computer keeps getting this weird error message:


http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk191/praguepride/hammer.jpg

[cappyboy]

http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk191/praguepride/hammer.jpg

This = classic. :)

[GruntMark]

I REALLY don't think this is me. Dmack, are you completely sure it is?

You would think if he was throwing wet rodents (?) at people's faces he'd know it was him.

How many people can be doing that? :p

Okay...I guess...maybe...he coulda been switched?

[eayragt]

I should certainly hope so. Otherwise, I need to quit playing. I never accept things as obvious that seemingly the rest of the game would. I can be really blind to hints. I take actions that sometimes I'm the only one to understand the logic for. I certainly don't play to a preset style that game designers would account for. If Mafia fundamentals only run the one way, I need to start playing Tiddly Winks instead. :)

:D

I should point out that "tiresome" wasn't directed at mjd, as reading it again it kinda looks that way. Discussing mafia fundamentals isn't really something that needs doing in most games, and can be a drain on the game when other players have to end up reading through it all. That what would have made it tiresome, not the discussees.

[i effin rule]

It is D2, you have until 9:00pm EST on Sunday, February 6th to reach a majority of 13 votes to complete a lynch.

moon_lit_tears: 12 (SmartBomb, MichiganHero, eayragt, BHK1978, Undertaker666, cappyboy, Jaded, mjdgoldeneye, GruntMark, praguepride, Dragonmack, Tha Black Phenom)
Jaded: 4 (Paws7291, d_w_w, Ranson, michgcs)


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[i effin rule]

Lynch has been achieved, allow me a moment please.

[eayragt]

Lynch has been achieved, allow me a moment please.

As you asked so nicely, I shall.

You can also thank us all later for not having to do this during the Super Bowl.

[Ranson]

So, we obviously have vote manipulation, or a multivoter in the mix.

[i effin rule]

D2

The citizens of Dayordra were overjoyed with the fact that they had gone unscathed; at least that was their impression. As the day broke the citizens immediately pursuing many potential threats and several names were thrown around. There were points and counter points made for each but at the end of the day the majority had decided to sentence one individual for the crime of treason.

When all was said and done and the body lay in front of them they were shocked. Something was off.

moon_lit_tears is dead. She was Koios, The Apostasy Aligned Interrogator

[eayragt]

It looks like we have “substantial proof”...

[i effin rule]

It is now N2, you have until 4:00pm EST on Monday, February 7th to get your abilities in to both i effin rule and Imarevenant.

[cappyboy]

WOO HOO!!

That's what I'm talking about. Hello, clarity. What kept you? :)

[mjdgoldeneye]

It looks like we have “substantial proof”...

I voted, you know.

[Jaded]

You would think if he was throwing wet rodents (?) at people's faces he'd know it was him.

How many people can be doing that? :p


Point taken.

Nice lynch, all. Interesting that we had the attempt to derail it towards me...

[Paws7297]

Point taken.

Nice lynch, all. Interesting that we had the attempt to derail it towards me...
/nod.

[masterded]

Wow the end went fast. When I started to get ready for work it was a split vote now that I am here logged in and caught up the lynch is already done.

[Paws7297]

Wow the end went fast. When I started to get ready for work it was a split vote now that I am here logged in and caught up the lynch is already done.
Same. When I logged off the vote was split. Now I am done playing Black Ops and lynch is already achieved...

[eayragt]

Point taken.

Nice lynch, all. Interesting that we had the attempt to derail it towards me...

*Shrug*

Going down two different routes isn't necessarily derailment. There was circumstantial evidence towards you, and unfortunately as you took time to refute it some momentum grew against you. Thankfully you did get on otherwise maybe it would have been you sentenced to death, and whereas I don't know for sure lynching you would be a good thing, I know we've definately done good today :D.

Oh, and well done Destiny. Even if you're paranoid and got lucky (like WC did against mjd in GCBG... I think I'm speaking a language only understood down here...), good choice.

[BHK1978]

/nod.

What do you mean /nod? You voted on him and kept your vote on him.:D

In regards to the Super Bowl, personally I do not care who wins. I usually go for the AFC team unless it is the Patriots or the Raiders and then I am NFC all of the way. However, if the Giants make the Super Bowl that trumps all other teams and I of course go for the Giants. Not sure what I would do if a Super Bowl ended up being the Raiders vs. Cowboys or Patriots vs. Cowboys. I guess I would not watch.

So I know nobody asked for my opinion on that but I like to talk about something going on in the real world in these games so if I look back at them I can put them into an historical context. Yes I am that lame...:D

[masterded]

Oh, and well done Destiny. Even if you're paranoid and got lucky (like WC did against mjd in GCBG... I think I'm speaking a language only understood down here...), good choice.

You ever speak about mafia in your every day life? People look at you like you are the dumbest man alive.

[Jman2k3]

Nice lynch everyone.


Now the most important question.......

Whose side are you on????

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[praguepride]

So, I was right earlier. The Noble are still on the good side, the Apostary is the evil scum (hence the title of the game)

Now I find it interesting about Paws earlier criticism of me when she questioned me thinking that the nobz were da good guyz.

[i effin rule]

Nice lynch everyone.


Now the most important question.......

Whose side are you on????


Rumor has it that there may be a caged Rancor who might accidentally escape during the night phase and kill anyone who is for the Packers.


Simply a rumor though.

[MichiganHero]

Rumor has it that there may be a caged Rancor who might accidentally escape during the night phase and kill anyone who is for the Packers.


Simply a rumor though.

Screw your SuperBowl. Where I'm from, we have guys who throw logs about. They are real men! :p

I kid. I just don't care for the Packers or The Steelers.

[BHK1978]

We should just skip this Super Bowl crap and talk about how sick the American League East is going to be. Every team looks like they are going to be good. (Now I shall duck my head out of the thread before people get angry over baseball talk.)

[cappyboy]

We should just skip this Super Bowl crap and talk about how sick the American League East is going to be. Every team looks like they are going to be good. (Now I shall duck my head out of the thread before people get angry over baseball talk.)

I won't get angry. But I may use it as an excuse to go take my nap. Baseball = zzzzzzzzzz.

[Jman2k3]

Rumor has it that there may be a caged Rancor who might accidentally escape during the night phase and kill anyone who is for the Packers.

Simply a rumor though.

Rancor??? I can kill those things with my bare hands, they are little sissy girls.

I'm going for the Packers but I think Big Ben and crew are gonna win though.

Screw your SuperBowl. Where I'm from, we have guys who throw logs about. They are real men! :p

I kid. I just don't care for the Packers or The Steelers.

These could take those log throwers. :p

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We should just skip this Super Bowl crap and talk about how sick the American League East is going to be. Every team looks like they are going to be good. (Now I shall duck my head out of the thread before people get angry over baseball talk.)

The Rays are delusional if they think Manny and Damon are gonna fill the holes they need from all their key departures.

Yankees suck. Go Boston.

[GruntMark]

Rancor??? I can kill those things with my bare hands, they are little sissy girls.

I'm going for the Packers but I think Big Ben and crew are gonna win though.
.

Seeing as how the 3(?) teams you picked to make the super bowl arent there, this makes me feel good.

[Jman2k3]

Seeing as how the 3(?) teams you picked to make the super bowl arent there, this makes me feel good.

My track record isn't that bad. I picked the winner last year. :p

[GruntMark]

My track record isn't that bad. I picked the winner last year. :p

At halftime.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Now that's what I'm talking about. Haven't hammered in a long time, as insignificant as this fact may be.

Superbowl talk... I'm gutted, I'm gonna miss it. It's bad enough I missed UFC 126 too. With my luck(and work schedule), I would miss the damn World Cup if it happened this year.

[Comradebot]

Go Packers!!!!!!

[i effin rule]

Go Packers!!!!!!

Comradebot is dead. He was Someone Not Smart, Packers Aligned Not Smart For Going Against Mod.

[praguepride]

hmmmm....
I agree, GO PACK GO
/investigates C-bot
GO PACK GO
Why's the mod showing you coming up as red aligned, hmmmm?

[Comradebot]

Go Packers!!!!!!

[Comradebot]

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The lack of Kuhn so far, however, is making me sad.

[Comradebot]

This halftime showed has reminded me why I hate the Black Eyed Peas.

It's full of sound and fury, signifying suck.

[praguepride]

C-bot, are you from Wisconsin?

[i effin rule]

I've decided that this game should be kept on topic for the rest of the night, maybe the week.

[Comradebot]

C-bot, are you from Wisconsin?

No, but you're from Chicago. Sorry that makes you incapable of loving the Packers for the great organization they are :p

[praguepride]

Ha. I've lived in Chicago for 2 years.

I grew up for 12 years in Green Bay. I'm a pack fan through and through. My dad had season tickets so we went to countless games when I was growing up.


I have never been to a Bears game (unless the Bears were playing Packers at Lambeau)

[Comradebot]

Ha. I've lived in Chicago for 2 years.

I grew up for 12 years in Green Bay. I'm a pack fan through and through. My dad had season tickets so we went to countless games when I was growing up.


I have never been to a Bears game (unless the Bears were playing Packers at Lambeau)

My apologies then, GO PACKERS!!!

And my condolences for now living in Chicago. :p

[praguepride]

damn skippy!

[moon_lit_tears]

I just want you all to know that I'm hurt you didn't believe me, and I don't like anyone who voted for me. :(
/runs to the corner and cries.....


Go scum!!!!

[Jman2k3]

At halftime.

Please, last year before preseason I said it was either going to be the Saints or Vikings.

Congrats to the Packers.

[cappyboy]

I just want you all to know that I'm hurt you didn't believe me, and I don't like anyone who voted for me. :(
/runs to the corner and cries.....


Go scum!!!!

Well, hopefully this is something you can appreciate given the side you ended up being on. I never fully decided if I believed you or not. My vote was pure pragmatism.

[SmartBomb]

So, I was right earlier. The Noble are still on the good side, the Apostary is the evil scum (hence the title of the game)

Now I find it interesting about Paws earlier criticism of me when she questioned me thinking that the nobz were da good guyz.

That was me. :)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Well, hopefully this is something you can appreciate given the side you ended up being on. I never fully decided if I believed you or not. My vote was pure pragmatism.

Yea, for me it was a robotic optimization routine, more or less... :p

[SmartBomb]

Now that lynch celebrations are over, I'd like to point this out:

When all was said and done and the body lay in front of them they were shocked. Something was off.[/B]

Plot twist? :eek:

[Destiny]

I think that's just flavour to imply that the town were shocked that moon_lit_tears was lying, and was in fact far more evil than she suggested.

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now N2, you have until 4:00pm EST on Monday, February 7th to get your abilities in to both i effin rule and Imarevenant.

[Destiny]

Hopefully I can make it through the night after delivering town scum yesterday.

[Undertaker666]

Admit it, you've all missed it...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/TheUndertakersGraveyard/Smileys/2498.gif

[moon_lit_tears]

Admit it, you've all missed it...

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/TheUndertakersGraveyard/Smileys/2498.gif

You still have 2 hours....:cool:

[Destiny]

I likely won't be online for much of tonight but hope I have made it through, I'll check later.

[i effin rule]

Under an hour to get your stuff in.

[Undertaker666]

Hopefully I can make it through the night after delivering town scum yesterday.

Scum can often out other scum. Your alignment isn't proven yet.

You still have 2 hours....:cool:

Not everyone has night abilities, so the night phase can drag on.

[i effin rule]

Night phase has come to an end. Write up to arrive at some point in time.

[i effin rule]

N2


What would the night bring for Dayordra this time around, the town wondered. The assumed success from the day put many at ease, but others were more than confused.


************************************************** ***


He was set up, miles out of view. His gun was propped up, his eye set down the sight. He couldn’t be bothered tonight. His focus was more in tune than ever before, and it would need to be to pull off this shot. You’d think the officials would have better protection than this, though it wouldn’t have mattered.


************************************************** ***


She was up to no good tonight. Her target was just casually walking around, not bothering anyone one.


************************************************** ***


He stood outside of the building talking to someone. After a few exchanges the person he was talking to walked away disappointed. A few moments later yet another person walks up to the man and demanding entrance into the facility. The large man refused admittance and stood his ground, forcing the other person to reluctantly leave.


************************************************** ***


GruntMark never heard the shot coming, and those around didn’t hear it until after it had penetrated his skull. The body fell to the ground completely limp. It was the perfect shot.


************************************************** ***


He had no idea that he was being watched. He just went on about his business as usual, trying his best to keep to himself. Then he hears the heavy breathing. He immediately turned around and feared the worst. The large cookunet leapt off the top of the building and landed right in front of the man. Particular cookunet was at least twice the size of the man. The man tried to get away but the beast pounced on him and took him to the ground. The man was batted around by the monstrous creature for a while until the man played dead. The cookunet grew bored and then left the man alone, mostly unharmed.


************************************************** ***


He was heading back after completing his job for the night. He felt good having accomplished what he did; perfection. His euphoria would lend to his demise. With his attention elsewhere he failed to notice the man in the shadows. Suddenly a bright glow surrounds Jaded. The glow grows in size until all you see is the hot white of the light. Then the light fades. Jaded is dead on the ground with a large cauterized hole in his chest.


************************************************** ***


The citizens of Dayordra were distraught. One of their newly elected officials had met his demise. This death in particular was hard on them as he was considered a bit of a wonder. This would mean that yet another election would be held and new officials would need to be elected.


GruntMark is dead. He was Priam, Noble Aligned Miraculous Prodigy
Jaded is dead. He was Phobos, The Apostasy Aligned Sharp Shooter

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.

[eayragt]

Oh, that makes yesterdays play very interesting. Two scum on the block, the only way to avoid losing one of them the stall...

[cappyboy]

Well, Looks like a case of good news, bad news. Shame about Gruntmark. Looks like he wasn't quite as bulletproof as he out. The arrogance of youth it would seem. But at least the Apostasy are down another. There can be comfort in that as we elect Gruntmark's successor at least.

[MichiganHero]

In regards to the elections, do we need to re-elect ALL the council?

[i effin rule]

In regards to the elections, do we need to re-elect ALL the council?

Yes. Top 3 get in just like D1, only you can vote for lynches too.

[i effin rule]

All pm's should be out. If you were expecting one and didn't get one, pm us.

[MichiganHero]

Yes. Top 3 get in just like D1, only you can vote for lynches too.

Good to know. I wasn't quite sure.

On that note ;

ELECT : Tha Black Phenom

I trust TBP, and he is quite the logical thinker.

[eayragt]

Yes. Top 3 get in just like D1, only you can vote for lynches too.

It'll be interesting from Paws and DWW to hear whether they want to be part of the council again... and why. Especially considering there actually wasn't much thought behind them going in. Paws was an early favourite, and DWW put forward by mlt, if I remember correctly :cool:.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch



Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)

[eayragt]

Oh yes, and:

Vote (to lynch): Wallbanger

As I'm not quit ready to flick back through Day 2 yet.

[cappyboy]

It'll be interesting from Paws and DWW to hear whether they want to be part of the council again... and why. Especially considering there actually wasn't much thought behind them going in. Paws was an early favourite, and DWW put forward by mlt, if I remember correctly :cool:.

A very good point. I am quite curious to hear from them again. Some consistency on the council would be good. But the point on DWW in particular is interesting. Now that I have facts to build from, I'll need to do my homework on how the first election worked out. Maybe over a nice glass of prune juice or maybe some tapioca.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 1 (eayragt)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)

[Ranson]

Both survivors of the first council rounds were at least partially backed by outed scum.

[Ranson]

Oh, and

Elect: eayragt

[eayragt]

Both survivors of the first council rounds were at least partially backed by outed scum.

Yeah, I've got one of theses theories where they're both scum (along with Wallbanger, naturally, and *deleted* and *deleted*), Thing is when i get theories like this they're reliant on every bit being right, so if I'm wrong about one person the whole chain breaks down.

But it's worth noting that moon_lit_tears and Wallbanger were both thrown out yesterday as early lynch candidates. For some reason the momentum on Wallbanger never really got going. Now, partially this was because of mlt's scum result, but we weren't exactly that eager to lynch her. However, could this have also been because scum didn't want to shift momentum onto an even more valuable member?

Hmmm... plus info to come (possibly) from Destiny and praguepride (although I bet you one of them was roleblocked). I think I'll have a lot of catching up to do tomorrow when I'm back on.

[Dragonmack]

well, I found Jaded targeted Gruntmark. Of course that info is rather useless at this point. Still, my scumdar was right about him ;)

[eayragt]

Oh, and

Elect: eayragt

Aw, first time I've been voted on for anything other than a lynch for... geez, I can't even remember that last time in any walk of life.

[Imarevenant]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 1 (eayragt)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ransom)

[praguepride]

So, couple of interesting fun facts:

1st, I'm not a standard FI so much as I'm a PC Geek tied to the dead bodies, so I uncovered some interesting bits about both the dead.


Like, for example, it was Jaded that killed the primier in the OP.

Granted that could be deduced just from his role title, but word of mod does clarify things a bit.

It sounds like Jaded was their main scum hitter so hopefully the loss of two people in quick succession should hurt them considerably.

On that note, now that I've learned that my role is not a powr role after all, just a neat little PC Geek, I would once again like to re-assert myself for election.

I'm a solid player with solid activity. What more can you ask for? ;)

[Undertaker666]

So, couple of interesting fun facts:

1st, I'm not a standard FI so much as I'm a PC Geek tied to the dead bodies, so I uncovered some interesting bits about both the dead.

Like, for example, it was Jaded that killed the primier in the OP.

Granted that could be deduced just from his role title, but word of mod does clarify things a bit.

It sounds like Jaded was their main scum hitter so hopefully the loss of two people in quick succession should hurt them considerably.

On that note, now that I've learned that my role is not a powr role after all, just a neat little PC Geek, I would once again like to re-assert myself for election.

I'm a solid player with solid activity. What more can you ask for? ;)

If you can find out things from dead bodies then what did you find out last night? If GruntMark was as innocent as he claimed to be, then it'd certainly be good to find out who killed him.

[BHK1978]

If you can find out things from dead bodies then what did you find out last night? If GruntMark was as innocent as he claimed to be, then it'd certainly be good to find out who killed him.

Well there is this:

well, I found Jaded targeted Gruntmark. Of course that info is rather useless at this point. Still, my scumdar was right about him ;)

[Undertaker666]

Well there is this:

There is that. But i'd like to hear from praguepride.

[Dragonmack]

Yep, with the information I was given, and the night results its fairly clear that Jaded killed Gruntmark, and then in turn was taken out by a vig.
It also means that the roleblock on Jaded N1 probably did prevent the Apostasy killing that night.

[BHK1978]

There is that. But i'd like to hear from praguepride.

Ah, okay I see what you are saying. I just thought that you missed what D-Mack posted. Okay nevermind...:D

[mjdgoldeneye]

Oh, that makes yesterdays play very interesting. Two scum on the block, the only way to avoid losing one of them the stall...

**Contributed to the lynch**

Just saying. :cool:

Anyways, Elect: mjdgoldeneye: Your friendly neighborhood back-up.

Also, Vote: Wallbanger as per where we left off.

[Wallbanger]

So the primary reason there's any suspicion on me at all is the fact that I supported Destiny for the council, because scum would want a 'weak' player on the council.

Except Destiny really isn't a weak player, that's just a cariacture that people like to throw out.

And so far that cariacture has delivered more scum than, well, the rest of us combined.

So, why exactly does wanting the best scumcatcher in the game on the council make me scummy again?

Not that I mind, actually. The suspicion on me kept the scum from targetting me last night, apparently.

[d_w_w]

Poor GM.

It'll be interesting from Paws and DWW to hear whether they want to be part of the council again... and why. Especially considering there actually wasn't much thought behind them going in. Paws was an early favourite, and DWW put forward by mlt, if I remember correctly :cool:.

I was indeed put forward by MLT. I also challenged her story yesterday (MJD and I had a good back and forth over her story), so I'd like to think that you guys do not suspect me of being in cahoots with her. Admittedly, I was never confident about her scumminess, but it wasn't as though I ignored her.

Regarding her lynch - yes, I did not vote on it. I left my vote on Jaded and did not make it back to the thread before the phase ended. I thought and, honestly, given his role, still think that Jaded was a better lynch. Would I have switched had I been around near the end of the phase? Probably.

Honestly, I'm not sure why she nominated me. I could offer conjecture, but nothing more.

As for do I want to be on the Council? Yes.

I'm not going to push it though. If you like the way I've been playing, then vote for me. Otherwise, do not.

In terms of the election more broadly, I would support the following candidates right now: eayragt and dragonmack.

[d_w_w]

So the primary reason there's any suspicion on me at all is the fact that I supported Destiny for the council, because scum would want a 'weak' player on the council.

Except Destiny really isn't a weak player, that's just a cariacture that people like to throw out.

And so far that cariacture has delivered more scum than, well, the rest of us combined.

So, why exactly does wanting the best scumcatcher in the game on the council make me scummy again?

Not that I mind, actually. The suspicion on me kept the scum from targetting me last night, apparently.

Interesting response.

I don't recall personally calling Destiny a weak player. The case was made, by confirmed scum (so take it for what it's worth), that Destiny has had trouble being active in recent times. Folks were concerned about placing a potentially inactive person on Council.

Plus, folks felt like he (and to some extent, PP) were blackmailing us into voting for them. Power roles giving themselves up for a spot on the Council seems, in my opinion, to be not in the best interest of the town and honestly isn't behavior that I would encourage.

Voting for Destiny on D1, given those issues - that's why I'd consider voting for you.

That and the tone of your response reminds me of the last time that I played and you were called out as scum (can't remember the game, might look it up).

Also, you spent most of the phase campaigning on the bacon platform. You've done this before, so, I don't think much of it. But while other folks were debating the merits of who and what should go on the council, you made 2 funny posts, then jumped on to the Destiny-wagon asking for him to bring the FLAVA!

Well, as it stands. You were right. I'd support Destiny as a council member right now.

But I don't know that I feel any better about you.

[BHK1978]

Both survivors of the first council rounds were at least partially backed by outed scum.

This stood out to me because I find it odd that Paws did not change her vote over to Jaded. Usually Paws does not hesitate to drop a vote down on Jaded. Instead she posted this as to why she did change her voted:

Same. When I logged off the vote was split. Now I am done playing Black Ops and lynch is already achieved...

Okay first, I did this same tatctic in Sean McFly's game (Although I was partly telling the truth but I was back in time for the vote I just chose not to vote.) and BlueStar just pulled this move in Prague's game. Meaning the, "Oh I was totally going to change my vote but real life got in the way." tactic.

Now maybe Paws is telling the truth. I feel that this is something that needed to be brought forward as food for thought.

[d_w_w]

Okay first, I did this same tatctic in Sean McFly's game (Although I was partly telling the truth but I was back in time for the vote I just chose not to vote.) and BlueStar just pulled this move in Prague's game. Meaning the, "Oh I was totally going to change my vote but real life got in the way." tactic.

Now maybe Paws is telling the truth. I feel that this is something that needed to be brought forward as food for thought.

To be honest, Paws gave the least of the three of us to get on the Council.

While I am very found of her (she's like the protege I've never had), I don't think I would support her candidacy again, tbh.

[Undertaker666]

Ah, okay I see what you are saying. I just thought that you missed what D-Mack posted. Okay nevermind...:D

I think you've probably got the wrong end of the stick, but there is method to my madness.

Not that I mind, actually. The suspicion on me kept the scum from targetting me last night, apparently.

The UT666 Effect. You're probably scummy, but I have other targets in my sight.

Poor GM.

I still think there was something scummy about him. Maybe not to begin with, but a possible recruit... along with the other greenies.

In terms of the election more broadly, I would support the following candidates right now: eayragt and dragonmack.

Interesting.

-----------------------

I should point out that my scumdar could be slightly impaired by Cumberland Ale today... :D

[Wallbanger]

But I don't know that I feel any better about you.

I don't want you feeling any better about me.

It seems like the only way I'm going to make it past the first half of the game is to be scummy enough to not be a high priority night target.

It's not my preferred way of playing, but there it is.

[Wallbanger]

The UT666 Effect. You're probably scummy, but I have other targets in my sight.

I can't pull it off the way you can, Vinnie Mac. :D

[d_w_w]

I don't want you feeling any better about me.

It seems like the only way I'm going to make it past the first half of the game is to be scummy enough to not be a high priority night target.

It's not my preferred way of playing, but there it is.

I can appreciate that :)

I need to mull things over a bit.

[d_w_w]

Interesting.


I see where you're going with that.

You might be onto something there.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, mjdgoldeneye)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ranson)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)

[d_w_w]

I see where you're going with that.

You might be onto something there.

Assuming you're talking about Dmack, that is.

Gonna stop posting over and over now. :o

[praguepride]

There is that. But i'd like to hear from praguepride.



I already told you what I learned about Jaded.
As for GM, the info is far more useful for scum then town so I will not be sharing that. Suffice to say, GMs tales of bulletproofiness were greatly exaggerated.

Now onto business:
vote: Paws7297

Two scum on deck and our fearless leader votes for neither. Plus I was suspicious of her surprising # of votes in the first place.

Also
elect: praguepride the townie you can trust.

I propose that inorder to speed things along, every vote post should have an elect with it and vice versa.

No lurking by only doing one or the other, so help me this will be a town of Action!



Also, I sense buddying up between Ranson and eayragt. They both voted for Paws (along with Jaded) and now Ranson drops an early elect on eayragt.

@Ranson: whats with the bromance ;)

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, mjdgoldeneye)
Paws7297: 1 (praguepride)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ranson)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)

[Wallbanger]

I already told you what I learned about Jaded.
As for GM, the info is far more useful for scum then town so I will not be sharing that. Suffice to say, GMs tales of bulletproofiness were greatly exaggerated.

So you got a result PM from GM?

Not asking the contents, straight yes or no.

[Paws7297]

I already told you what I learned about Jaded.
As for GM, the info is far more useful for scum then town so I will not be sharing that. Suffice to say, GMs tales of bulletproofiness were greatly exaggerated.

Now onto business:
vote: Paws7297

Two scum on deck and our fearless leader votes for neither. Plus I was suspicious of her surprising # of votes in the first place.

Also
elect: praguepride the townie you can trust.

I propose that inorder to speed things along, every vote post should have an elect with it and vice versa.

No lurking by only doing one or the other, so help me this will be a town of Action!



Also, I sense buddying up between Ranson and eayragt. They both voted for Paws (along with Jaded) and now Ranson drops an early elect on eayragt.

@Ranson: whats with the bromance ;)
I was the second vote on Jaded tyvm.

I honestly wasn't sure on MLT's claim. I Would have dropped a vote had I been around for the lynch. Jaded, I believed was mafia too. And that's who my vote was on.

Would I like to be re-elected? Sure. Why not? I'm not gonna pry though.

[Paws7297]

I'm off for now. I'll be back in a bit.

[praguepride]

So you got a result PM from GM?

Not asking the contents, straight yes or no.

I got one for both GM and Jaded. I apparently get one for everyone that dies, period.

Also, I did not have to target them, it appears automatic upon death. Someone has to clean up the bodies, ja?

Also, fyi, my PM states that I will appear to have targeted the dead retroactively. So just in case anyone watches a dead guy, my name will auto appear.

And if anyone tracks me, I will appear to target every dead person.

I didnt reveal this before because I wasnt sure how the role would work overall (nobody died) but now, knowing more, I figure full disclosure before something suspicious happens is for everyones interest.

[Ranson]

@Ranson: whats with the bromance ;)

Heh. Honestly, the "both voted for Paws" thing is coincidence; I threw in the elect this time because I liked the analysis coming out of last day phase. I voted first for Paws for something to do. I'm a (mostly) vanilla townie, sitting around, with nothing much to drive events forward. I'm not an active debater, especially as inexperienced as I am at the game, not having a lot of experience with the players to pick out patterns. I'm a lurker by nature, anyway. So, I'm reading and voting as I see fit, and to keep myself entertained.

Anyway, between the job and kids, I can't be on here all the time like some of you whippersnappers, so I spend a lot of time catching up.

Now get me my ear-horn and get off my lawn! ;)

[Wallbanger]

I got one for both GM and Jaded. I apparently get one for everyone that dies, period.

Also, I did not have to target them, it appears automatic upon death. Someone has to clean up the bodies, ja?

Also, fyi, my PM states that I will appear to have targeted the dead retroactively. So just in case anyone watches a dead guy, my name will auto appear.

And if anyone tracks me, I will appear to target every dead person.

I didnt reveal this before because I wasnt sure how the role would work overall (nobody died) but now, knowing more, I figure full disclosure before something suspicious happens is for everyones interest.

/nod

That's...interesting.

[praguepride]

@Ranson: I dont buy it. Why eayragt. Such a random name to pull out for an eleft, especially comsidering that mjd, banger, myself, and Desters all were actively campaigning.

[mjdgoldeneye]

@Ranson: I dont buy it. Why eayragt. Such a random name to pull out for an eleft, especially comsidering that mjd, banger, myself, and Desters all were actively campaigning.

I understand why someone would want to elect eayragt. He's been active and helpful.

[Ranson]

You are correct. This is called mafia. Lynching only on "substantial proof" is not the name of the game. This game is not about town using their night abilities, it is about townies reading people and lynching (sometimes guided by night abilities). We have a reason to lynch Gruntmark. We have a reason to lynch moon_lit_tears. We have a reason to lynch Jaded. Someone's probably got more reasons to lynch someone else too. Let's assume mlt is scum, but scum have a set hitman. What's the proof that you want, and how wil we get it? Scum result? Nope. Tracking to a kill? No. Accidentally posting in here rather than the scum forum? Well, possible. Good luck with that.

Honestly, it was this post here. And the reason I didn't vote for any of the active campaigners is that I tend to think that those who actively seek office (at any level) tend to be those I least want there. By throwing out a name that is, to me, random, it throws a wrench into that.

[praguepride]

/hmmmm


@Paws: you said you go out at night? Appear in any write ups?

@Ranson: Just as an FYI, some players have valid reasons to campaign (GM) and others, like protectors and cops, do NOT want the spotlight before they can help town.

So while I appreciate Douglas Adams logic as much as he next guy, you might want to think about possible repercussions of your action.

Same reason why RNG bandwagons are such a terrible thing D1 as your just as likely to draw out town power roles as scum

[Ranson]

Point noted.

[cappyboy]

Anyway, between the job and kids, I can't be on here all the time like some of you whippersnappers, so I spend a lot of time catching up.

Now get me my ear-horn and get off my lawn! ;)

Well, isn't this just wonderful? First you won't give back my Betty Grable movies, you rip the Rita Hayworth poster I've had since the Truman administration and now you try to steal my material.

YOU GET OFF MY LAWN, YOU NO-ACCOUNT SNEAK!!

[Jman2k3]

Sucks about Grunt, but at least another scum got taken down.

It'll be interesting from Paws and DWW to hear whether they want to be part of the council again... and why. Especially considering there actually wasn't much thought behind them going in. Paws was an early favourite, and DWW put forward by mlt, if I remember correctly :cool:.

If they don't want to be in it again, I'll throw my name out there to be elected on.

For my vote however.

Elect: DWW

[michgcs]

Elect: BHK1978

I think if given the chance, he can do well in a group. (assuming the council talk among themselves)

Vote: ... well, I don't really know who to vote for, yet. TheKenwyne?

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, mjdgoldeneye)
Paws7297: 1 (praguepride)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ranson)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (Jman2k3)
BHK1978: 1 (michgcs)

[praguepride]

Wait, so do we have to re-elect every official or just the one we need to replace, as d-dubs is already on the council.

[Imarevenant]

Wait, so do we have to re-elect every official or just the one we need to replace, as d-dubs is already on the council.

Yes, just like Day 1, the top 3 vote getters will be your officials.

[cappyboy]

Now onto business:
vote: Paws7297

Two scum on deck and our fearless leader votes for neither. Plus I was suspicious of her surprising # of votes in the first place.


If you think Paws is a problem, you'll need a different argument. Not only do you have a spoken rebuttal here:

I was the second vote on Jaded tyvm.

I honestly wasn't sure on MLT's claim. I Would have dropped a vote had I been around for the lynch. Jaded, I believed was mafia too. And that's who my vote was on.



But here's the final vote count before lynch was announced on MLT:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1409262&postcount=536

Notice who's first on the list of those whose vote stayed on Jaded. It may not prove where her loyalties lie. But it does prove she had a vote on one of the scum.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I go mad with power very easily. No, I didn't just realize that... :p

One day one, I really didn't care. Now I want to throw down. :cool:

However, I still don't have any good reasons as to why you should vote for me. Then again, I argued for lynching one scum and then helped lynch another scum, so there's that.

[praguepride]

If you think Paws is a problem, you'll need a different argument. Not only do you have a spoken rebuttal here:



But here's the final vote count before lynch was announced on MLT:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1409262&postcount=536

Notice who's first on the list of those whose vote stayed on Jaded. It may not prove where her loyalties lie. But it does prove she had a vote on one of the scum.

Says the man who didn't vote for either of them! ;)


Also didn't I mention this earlier? Maybe that post got deleted. If you look at when she dropped her vote, it was a blank vote soon after what sounded like a random pressure vote.

Dragonmack says "what was jaded up to last night?" and drops a vote
Paws goes "hmmm... and drops a vote" and of story. She ignores the debate, she ignores when people argue that MLT is more likely to be scum due to weak claim rather then circumstantial evidence about Jaded as we didn't know that Jaded was stopped by a roleblock vs. a protection vs. something else.

@IER: FYI, your D2 link just links back to the main page.

[i effin rule]

@IER: FYI, your D2 link just links back to the main page.

Fixed and updated.

[cappyboy]

Says the man who didn't vote for either of them! ;)


Wrong again. I put in for the MLT lynch once Brother Eayragt made me see how it would be a poractive move toward solving my confusion.

[SmartBomb]

Oh f'ing dear. I'm a douche. :D

So, um, heads up, not going to be as active as I was usually, school again taking up my time. :(

If you think Paws is a problem, you'll need a different argument. Not only do you have a spoken rebuttal here:



But here's the final vote count before lynch was announced on MLT:

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1409262&postcount=536

Notice who's first on the list of those whose vote stayed on Jaded. It may not prove where her loyalties lie. But it does prove she had a vote on one of the scum.

Isn't that... you know... a scumtell, because scum were actively trying to split the vote to get a no lynch?

...yeah. Second vote, really really really.

So, um, Vote: Paws7297

There hasn't been any arguments that have convinced me that Paws is town. The bandwagon of votes D1 isn't helping me lean the other way either.

Next, Elect: Dragonmack

I'm surprised no-one's tried to vote in the confirmed townie. Or Destiny, for that matter. IMO, the vote split happened was because scum jumped on the bandwagon that took everyone away from mlt, the (what I assume) mafia cop, and to a lesser role, the mafia hitman Jaded, hoping for a no lynch.

But basically, we have a JOAT that got results. Confirmed townie if you ask me, plus his abilities must be running out (see below).

NOW. Lastly. This is very important.

Has anyone considered how did scum know that GruntMark wasn't bulletproof? I would find it very, very risky that on the second night, where in the first night a kill was unable to be achieved, that they choose the (what they thought) bulletproof target. The graveyard consisted of one name, which was red.

My theory? One of the officials is scum and either talked with GruntMark and found out he wasn't bulletproof or got their ability revoked because they became an official, therefore they could logically assume that all officials would lose their abilities.

So, this is also why I chose Paws.

[BHK1978]

This stood out to me because I find it odd that Paws did not change her vote over to Jaded. Usually Paws does not hesitate to drop a vote down on Jaded. Instead she posted this as to why she did change her voted:



Okay first, I did this same tatctic in Sean McFly's game (Although I was partly telling the truth but I was back in time for the vote I just chose not to vote.) and BlueStar just pulled this move in Prague's game. Meaning the, "Oh I was totally going to change my vote but real life got in the way." tactic.

Now maybe Paws is telling the truth. I feel that this is something that needed to be brought forward as food for thought.

Yeah I screwed that up. I should have said MLT instead of Jaded.:o Not sure why I posted what I posted. It still does not change my thoughts that she could possibly be Scum. Okay nothing to see here carry on...

Elect: BHK1978

I think if given the chance, he can do well in a group. (assuming the council talk among themselves)

Vote: ... well, I don't really know who to vote for, yet. TheKenwyne?

To paraphrase General Sherman, "If elected, I will not serve." My ability is not a major one but that being said I am no town leader. Every time I try to do so, the town gets screwed up. So I shall pass on being elected.

[Imarevenant]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, mjdgoldeneye)
Paws7297: 2 (praguepride, Smartbomb)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ranson)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (Jman2k3)
BHK1978: 1 (michgcs)
Dragonmack: 1 (Smartbomb)

[mjdgoldeneye]

I tried to post, but my connection was stupid...

Change Vote: Paws

There's a few people that would either just take the risk and go for GM and then there's the few people who would be in a position to potentially know it was a safe move. We can take a lot of paths from here.

[michgcs]

To paraphrase General Sherman, "If elected, I will not serve." My ability is not a major one but that being said I am no town leader. Every time I try to do so, the town gets screwed up. So I shall pass on being elected.

Okay.


My theory? One of the officials is scum and either talked with GruntMark and found out he wasn't bulletproof or got their ability revoked because they became an official, therefore they could logically assume that all officials would lose their abilities.

So, this is also why I chose Paws.

And I kind of agree.

So...

Change-elect: Dragonmack

and

Vote: Paws

[Wallbanger]

NOW. Lastly. This is very important.

Has anyone considered how did scum know that GruntMark wasn't bulletproof? I would find it very, very risky that on the second night, where in the first night a kill was unable to be achieved, that they choose the (what they thought) bulletproof target. The graveyard consisted of one name, which was red.

My theory? One of the officials is scum and either talked with GruntMark and found out he wasn't bulletproof or got their ability revoked because they became an official, therefore they could logically assume that all officials would lose their abilities.

So, this is also why I chose Paws.

This is actually pretty reasonable. There's one thing bugging me though.

Well, actually a couple.

First, the assumption that Grunt was bluffing and scum knew it.

For scum to 'know' or even infer that Grunt lost his ability through his election presumes things we can't know, like whether councilors can communicate with each other or whether their abilities are lost upon election. They can't tell us.

Is there a plausible explanation of how Grunt could have been telling the truth and still gotten tagged?

Roles have been written that can bypass abilities. Consider the 'horse' from W&S. Could be a variation of that.

Seems like a coin flip to me. Except we have PP who claims to have gotten a result from Grunt, and yet is being coy about it, and makes what seems to be an obvious statement that didn't require a result to confirm

I asked him specifically whether he got a result. Not only did he say he did, but went on to explain how his role is such that any results that seem to contradict what PP's saying is a false positive. Why would he need to say that? Very much sounds like CYA to me, and rather elaborate at that.

I'm just not convinced Grunt was bluffing. I find myself wondering ifJaded's "Sharp Shooter" role wasn't designed to address bulletproofiness.

And if that's really the case, why would you want to make it look any differently?

[eayragt]

************************************************** ***


He was set up, miles out of view. His gun was propped up, his eye set down the sight. He couldn’t be bothered tonight. His focus was more in tune than ever before, and it would need to be to pull off this shot. You’d think the officials would have better protection than this, though it wouldn’t have mattered.


************************************************** ***



I read that as Jaded's ability could have bypassed bulletproofness. And also that GM may not have been bulletproof anyway.

Sorry, haven't caught up, but thought I better comment on that, after thinking about it last night. I'll try and catch up later.

[Wallbanger]

I read that as Jaded's ability could have bypassed bulletproofness. And also that GM may not have been bulletproof anyway.

Sorry, haven't caught up, but thought I better comment on that, after thinking about it last night. I'll try and catch up later.

/nod

[praguepride]

I think we should give some credence to the idea.


A townie claims bulletproof. Now, scum knows the guy isn't fellow scum so usually BP claims are treated lightly, especially as GM is also claiming to be a super soldier, which lends more credence to him being bulletproof.


Now, one of three things happened:
1) Scum called his bluff
2) They had inside information
3) They had some additional power to bypass GM's protection, not that it was really necessary...
4) They were redirected and got really lucky

So, #1 seems like a really ballsy move to take D3, especially considering that they had just lost 2 people and 2 roles had come out.

#2 is plausible, and I would really like to hear from d-dubs or paws about what happens on election. Namely, do you gain additional abilities that may or may not replace existing abilities

#3 is plausible...but again risky to use early on unless it was a 1-shot tied to Jaded and he knew his time was up due to almost being lynched already

#4 also plausible. A townie busdrive thought they'd be clever and switch the BP guy with, say, an outed investigator role and accidentally called GM's bluff.


So, in order of likelihood:
#3
#2
#4
#1


I.e. Jaded had a 1-shot unstoppable kill that he used before dying, followed by inside information, followed by townie busdriver, followed by "lucky guess"



So, Paws, care to explain what the benefits of election are?

[eayragt]

Didn't miss that much. The most significant thing was Wallbanger trying to vote in Destiny using his foresight about what would happen the following night. Credit to him - I was voting on past play and use of abilities, he managed to base his on future use.

To DWW and Paws - is there anything wrong about voting scummy players in to the council? Just a thought I had.

And glad that some people think I'm such a random choice for the council. I did actually put myself forward on Day 1, but didn't vote for myself as I tend to try and avoid people who are voting for themselves. Nothing's going to change this time (yeah, I know Paws did vote for herself eventually, but unlike 'Banger I can't see the future).

[Tha Black Phenom]

So, Paws, care to explain what the benefits of election are?

She can't...

As for GruntMark's kill, I'm led to think it was an unblockable kill. Notice how the write-up describes it as the "perfect shot", which could hint at such. Now, this may be a stretch, but I wonder if one of the previously elected officials has anything to do with that convenient shot. Or a certain perk revoked Grunt's BP ability, which sounds unlikely as well but could still be possible.

[cappyboy]

Isn't that... you know... a scumtell, because scum were actively trying to split the vote to get a no lynch?

...yeah. Second vote, really really really.

So, um, Vote: Paws7297


Potentially. I'm not sitting here saying "Oh Paws is clearly Dayordra. Stop persecuting her." More making sure he had his info right. We aren't always going to luck out and have all lynch candidates be scum. Should Paws prove to be scum and should we get the lynch, doesn't it make the case stronger to eliminate her wiggle room by acknowledging it and building around it?

[cappyboy]

I definitely agree, however, that by keeping her vote on the scum Jaded, it does give her plausible deniability. And in the light that's starting to shine on her, I'm not sure I like that.

[d_w_w]

To DWW and Paws - is there anything wrong about voting scummy players in to the council? Just a thought I had.


I will address this later.

For now:

Elect: Destiny (vote subject to change, pending on D's appearance in the thread).

Vote: Paws

I've been sitting around to see how things would shake down. Time to move forward, I think.

Paws, I'd like to hear from you. Depending on your answers, I might be willing to change my "lynch" vote to an "election" vote, but I need you to speak up. Various folks have already pointed their finger at you - so I'm going to cut to the chase:

What is it that you've been up to?

[Wallbanger]

Didn't miss that much. The most significant thing was Wallbanger trying to vote in Destiny using his foresight about what would happen the following night. Credit to him - I was voting on past play and use of abilities, he managed to base his on future use.

To DWW and Paws - is there anything wrong about voting scummy players in to the council? Just a thought I had.

And glad that some people think I'm such a random choice for the council. I did actually put myself forward on Day 1, but didn't vote for myself as I tend to try and avoid people who are voting for themselves. Nothing's going to change this time (yeah, I know Paws did vote for herself eventually, but unlike 'Banger I can't see the future).

I don't have to 'see the future' - I've played with Destiny enough on both sides of the aisle to know that when he wants to he can be a solid player.

So again, you're trying to paint me as scummy by insulting the competence of another player.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt)
Paws7297: 5 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ranson)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (Jman2k3)
Dragonmack: 2 (Smartbomb, michgcs)
Destiny: 1 (d_w_w)

[i effin rule]

ShadowedFlames is replacing TheKenwyne effective immediately.

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 1 (eayragt)
Paws7297: 5 (praguepride, Smartbomb. MJDgoldeneye. michgcs. D_w_w)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 1 (Ranson)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (Jman2k3)
BHK1978: 1 (michgcs)
Dragonmack: 2 (Smartbomb. Michgcs)
Destiny: 1 d_w_w

[moon_lit_tears]

I type too slow....:(

[i effin rule]

I type too slow....:(

You also missed one :p

[Destiny]

Whilst I don't have a scum result for us today, I am obviously going to vote to Elect: Destiny.

[masterded]

No disrespect to anyone else the 3 person counsel I would like to see the most is Eayragt, Destiny, and d_w_w.

For now Elect: Eayragt

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt)
Paws7297: 5 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (Jman2k3)
Dragonmack: 2 (Smartbomb, michgcs)
Destiny: 2 (d_w_w, Destiny)

[eayragt]

So again, you're trying to paint me as scummy by insulting the competence of another player.

No I'm not.

But anyway:

What were you up to on Night 1?

What were you up to on Day 2? You know, the one where the scum wanted a stall and you didn't vote... or even post if I'm correct.

[ShadowedFlames]

Folks, I'm at work at the moment and have been battling a spot of sickness. Give me until this evening to catch up fully so I know just what in the blazes is going on here.

[Destiny]

That's fair enough, ShadowedFlames. I'd like to know if I may have your vote after you've caught up.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm sure you'll have enough votes, Des.

I'm gonna go and, uh... Elect: Dragonmack. For now.

Vote: Wallbanger too.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 5 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (Jman2k3)
Dragonmack: 3 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (d_w_w, Destiny)

[eayragt]

Heading out for most the evening - might not be back on. I'll repeat that I won't vote for anyone who's voting for themselves for the elections (well... I might at some point but don't have strong enough feelings at this juncture). Of course, removing one vote to gain one vote might not be that appealing to you... in fact, it's probably not a sensible move.

Oh.

Well, that's why I won't be voting for a couple of people that I would otherwise consider.

[Dragonmack]

Going to go with the flow and

Vote: Paws7297

also, since I supported him first day, no reason to change now

Elect: D_W_W

Kind of interesting I have gotten votes for election. Hopefully this means that my level of playing has improved since I began. ( Or that everyone thinks I am not important enough to be worth killing :p )

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 6 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Dragonmack: 3 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (d_w_w, Destiny)

[BHK1978]

Right now out of the front runners I think I trust Destiny the most.

Elect: Destiny

I really wish Paws would come on here and give us something. She seems to be Stonewalling us much like Jman would do.:D

And even though I have pointed out some stuff about her being Scum, the same could be said about DWW. I mean any arguement that can be made about Paws can be made about DWW (Meaning the first person to vote on him was Scum, he did not change his vote either, he is on the council so the theory about Paws how Paws might have had inside info on Gurnt could be applied to him as well.).

[BHK1978]

Right now out of the front runners I think I trust Destiny the most.

Elect: Destiny

I really wish Paws would come on here and give us something. She seems to be Stonewalling us much like Jman would do.:D

And even though I have pointed out some stuff about her being Scum, the same could be said about DWW. I mean any arguement that can be made about Paws can be made about DWW (Meaning the first person to vote on him was Scum, he did not change his vote either, he is on the council so the theory about Paws how Paws might have had inside info on Grunt could be applied to him as well.).

Because I am stupid and cannot spell a simple name like Grunt.:o

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 6 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack)


Election

Tha Black Phenom: 1 (MichiganHero)
Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Dragonmack: 3 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 3 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978)

[MichiganHero]

CHANGE ELECT : Destiny

Given that he landed us scum, I think this may the way to go.

[MichiganHero]

CHANGE ELECT : Destiny

Given that he landed us scum, I think this may the way to go.

Because I'm an idiot and forgotten to bold my election choice.

[Imarevenant]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 6 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Dragonmack: 3 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)

[d_w_w]

To DWW and Paws - is there anything wrong about voting scummy players in to the council? Just a thought I had.


Okay, answering this now: I can give you no real response to this question based on my prior council experience. But based on being Dayordra Aligned, I would prefer out that our council members share my allegiance.


And even though I have pointed out some stuff about her being Scum, the same could be said about DWW. I mean any arguement that can be made about Paws can be made about DWW (Meaning the first person to vote on him was Scum, he did not change his vote either, he is on the council so the theory about Paws how Paws might have had inside info on Gurnt could be applied to him as well.).

Fair enough about us both being on the council.

I think that there have been differences in how Paws and I have played though, but that's not why you're pushing on her, so I don't expect that to convince you of me.

So... If you have questions you want to ask me, I'll answer them :)

[BHK1978]

Okay, answering this now: I can give you no real response to this question based on my prior council experience. But based on being Dayordra Aligned, I would prefer out that our council members share my allegiance.



Fair enough about us both being on the council.

I think that there have been differences in how Paws and I have played though, but that's not why you're pushing on her, so I don't expect that to convince you of me.

So... If you have questions you want to ask me, I'll answer them :)

Well I will be honest with you, I really do not have a strong opinion about either one of you. Which is why neither of you have my vote on you. For all the reasons why I think you could both be Scum, there are reasons I feel both of you could be Town as well.

[Jman2k3]

Right now out of the front runners I think I trust Destiny the most.

Elect: Destiny

I really wish Paws would come on here and give us something. She seems to be Stonewalling us much like Jman would do.:D

And even though I have pointed out some stuff about her being Scum, the same could be said about DWW. I mean any arguement that can be made about Paws can be made about DWW (Meaning the first person to vote on him was Scum, he did not change his vote either, he is on the council so the theory about Paws how Paws might have had inside info on Gurnt could be applied to him as well.).

Me? Stonewall? Never.

[Ranson]

Kind of interesting I have gotten votes for election. Hopefully this means that my level of playing has improved since I began. ( Or that everyone thinks I am not important enough to be worth killing :p )

If that's the criteria, then I'm your man :D

[eayragt]

Going to go with the flow and

Vote: Paws7297

also, since I supported him first day, no reason to change now

Elect: D_W_W

Kind of interesting I have gotten votes for election. Hopefully this means that my level of playing has improved since I began. ( Or that everyone thinks I am not important enough to be worth killing :p )

Nah, you're good. You just had the an early run of scum roles which is never too good for your health.

Also, although Paws is doing a good job of acting like scum it'd be nice if there were a few more votes on Wallbanger as well. What with him playing his role like a mixture of scum and his play in Medical Mafia. When he was scum.

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on mjd? I was thinking too scummy to actually be scum, right? If he wasn't voting to elect himself that would have been my vote.

So Elect: Undertaker666

[moon_lit_tears]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 6 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Dragonmack: 3 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)

[Prophet]

Right, so I ended up missing two days being stuck in a Rancor's gullet ... what I get for asking IER about the Super Bowl.

New elections ... and I still haven't done my signs. (Remember, vote for Proph, he looks like Chekov!)

I wish I could offer some sage insight, however, my only ability works on days like this. And being unable to log on the past day, I may have screwed the pooch on this election. I'd still like some support, sure, since I'm inclined my role is one of those that's "supposed" to be in office. In that it's not a prerequisite, but if it happens, bully for me, ya know?

With that said, I will ...

Vote: Paws7297

And place my electoral vote later tonight, when I take more time to consider. Although I'm still leaning towards my original vote ... I wonder if I can build enough of an ego to vote for myself. lol

[mjdgoldeneye]

Also, what are everyone's thoughts on mjd? I was thinking too scummy to actually be scum, right? If he wasn't voting to elect himself that would have been my vote.

How am I scummy? I supported lynching Scum A before following by lynching Scum B and therefore I'm scummy? I supported lynching 100% more scum than you did so far!

Also, that second part shouldn't sway your vote. If you're trying to teach humility, you should know by now it won't work. ;) Either way, it doesn't change the fact that I best aid the town by being elected (and I'm expendable if killed).

I'd have voted for you if you didn't say you wouldn't vote for me because I voted for me. (I believe that's a sentence.) That shows poor judgment. YOU'RE CONSUMED BY EMOTION or something. :p

[ShadowedFlames]

Man, my head hurts now. Caught up (for the most part, anyway).

Just to make sure I've got everything right following the speed read I just went through...the votes are gathering on Paws because she's suspected of alerting scum that Grunt's bulletproofiness could be worked around, and also because of the surprising number of votes she gathered to join the council despite apparently giving away very little. That sound about right?

While I'm not so sold on the second part as much--I'm of the belief that full disclosure so early in a game only helps scum, so those asking for so much information to be dispersed in order to be elected to Council strike me as scummy at the moment--the evidence, however circumstantial, lead me to think that a vote is in order. I'm wary, given the apparent double vote / vote manipulation, to put the vote at L-4, but I think there's enough wiggle room to work with.

Thus: Vote: Paws7297.

As for the other voting mechanic at work today, well, I'm willing to go out on a tangent here. He might have said that he would turn down a nomination on Day One, but at this point I'm getting some good vibes from his play and think he would serve well in a council role. Brother Cappy, sir, I believe you are called to serve.

Elect: Cappyboy.

I'll be off and on for a few minutes as I have League stuff I need to post tonight. and getting things ready for our third season.

[Ranson]

I'll be off and on for a few minutes as I have League stuff I need to post tonight. and getting things ready for our third season.

Remind me to not vote to kill you until after you're done with that.

[ShadowedFlames]

Remind me to not vote to kill you until after you're done with that.

In that case, I might be taking all month to do it. ;)

(Yes, I'm kidding. It's not my nature to keep y'all hanging intentionally. Now, snow-related stuff, on the other hand.... :mad:)

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 8 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack, Prophet, ShadowedFlames)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (mjdgoldeneye)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Dragonmack: 3 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)
cappyboy: 1 (ShadowedFlames)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Change Elect: Dragonmack

He's a safe bet.

[cappyboy]

As for the other voting mechanic at work today, well, I'm willing to go out on a tangent here. He might have said that he would turn down a nomination on Day One, but at this point I'm getting some good vibes from his play and think he would serve well in a council role. Brother Cappy, sir, I believe you are called to serve.

Elect: Cappyboy.


My good man, I certainly appreciate the gesture. And given my status within Dayordran society, I understand you desire to nominate me. You can be sure I'd bring temperence and a level head to the council. But I would still prefer not to be elected. I feel I can better serve the good people of this fine planet by observing and advising the citizenry as one of thier own number.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 8 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack, Prophet, ShadowedFlames)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Dragonmack: 4 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)
cappyboy: 1 (ShadowedFlames)

[praguepride]

change elect: d_w_dubs

[BHK1978]

I am really wondering why Paws is not even trying to give us something. I mean there is no hardcore evidence that she is Scum, but she is playing a lot like she is.

These votes on her seem to be one of two things to me. Either it is a rush job by the Scum to hang a member of the town. Or she is guilty which is why she is not talking and therefore the votes should be applied to her.

I really wish she would at least try to give us something.

[michgcs]

I am really wondering why Paws is not even trying to give us something. I mean there is no hardcore evidence that she is Scum, but she is playing a lot like she is.

These votes on her seem to be one of two things to me. Either it is a rush job by the Scum to hang a member of the town. Or she is guilty which is why she is not talking and therefore the votes should be applied to her.

I really wish she would at least try to give us something.

well the reason why my vote is staying on her is because the last time I was scum, i did the same thing (ignore the town)

[Jman2k3]

I am really wondering why Paws is not even trying to give us something. I mean there is no hardcore evidence that she is Scum, but she is playing a lot like she is.

These votes on her seem to be one of two things to me. Either it is a rush job by the Scum to hang a member of the town. Or she is guilty which is why she is not talking and therefore the votes should be applied to her.

I really wish she would at least try to give us something.

Exactly.

[praguepride]

Agreed. She needs to fess up or face the gallows.

[eayragt]

How am I scummy? I supported lynching Scum A before following by lynching Scum B and therefore I'm scummy? I supported lynching 100% more scum than you did so far!

Also, that second part shouldn't sway your vote. If you're trying to teach humility, you should know by now it won't work. ;) Either way, it doesn't change the fact that I best aid the town by being elected (and I'm expendable if killed).

I'd have voted for you if you didn't say you wouldn't vote for me because I voted for me. (I believe that's a sentence.) That shows poor judgment. YOU'RE CONSUMED BY EMOTION or something. :p

"I supported lynching 100% more scum than you did so far!" is a statement that needs some qualification being that it's only true if neither Paws or Wallbanger are scum. Which would begger the question as to why you're voting on Paws (... yep, that's me begin facecious again, I fully support anybody voting on Paws).

I could actually make a case for a good 80% of the votes yesterday on mlt and Jaded being scum (including mine). mlt had a scum result on her - easy for scum to put down a vote on her, ready to move off when her "believable story comes out". When Jaded was mooted as possible scum easy for scum to vote for him to try and split the vote. When scum decided that there would be a lynch and they'd rather it was mlt (the point where Jaded voted on mlt) her fate was just about sealed, and any of the votes after that could have been scum.

Now, most of them would have been town votes, but I'm sure Jaded wasn't the only scum voting on scum yesterday. A lot of the other votes (including, admittedly, me) could have been scum. And since when has voting on scum ever cleared anyone? I'm sure almost the entire scum team in CFC was voting to lynch either myself or MichigenHero on Day 3 of CFC, and I wouldn't be surprised if anyone - perhaps even yourself had switched their votes between us. Even though we were both scum, anyone voting on us shouldnt' be cleared.

And after Over9000 I've realised that sometimes you can gain much more information by not voting. I'm not quite sure why I become more townie by moving my vote around - I'm happy that it's on scum (as I was yesterday), and I'll leave it there if it's not needed elsewhere.

[d_w_w]

So...

The phase is winding down.

Honestly, I think we need to be proactive here. No response from Paws. Is it because she's busy or because she's ducking the thread?

No idea.

But, we've got off to a good start (with MLT and Jaded going down so early), so I think we should press forward.

Unless Paws pops up and plays ball, I'd like to see the lynch go through. If she's scum, then we're in solid shape by lynching her. If she's town, she's claimed to have a fairly minor role (she said this, I think, when she was campaigning for council on D1).

And either way, it sets a good precedence for us by showing folks that they can't avoid pressure by avoiding the thread.

[eayragt]

So...

The phase is winding down.

Honestly, I think we need to be proactive here. No response from Paws. Is it because she's busy or because she's ducking the thread?

No idea.

But, we've got off to a good start (with MLT and Jaded going down so early), so I think we should press forward.

Unless Paws pops up and plays ball, I'd like to see the lynch go through. If she's scum, then we're in solid shape by lynching her. If she's town, she's claimed to have a fairly minor role (she said this, I think, when she was campaigning for council on D1).

And either way, it sets a good precedence for us by showing folks that they can't avoid pressure by avoiding the thread.

I concur. Lynch everyone who refuses to answer questions. And if you reveal a protector or watcher by being aggressive, remind them that there are watchers and protectors. Watchers may be protected. Protectors may be watched.

So, I'll move from one person who has refused to answer questions to another:

Change vote: Paws7297

[d_w_w]

I concur. Lynch everyone who refuses to answer questions. And if you reveal a protector or watcher by being aggressive, remind them that there are watchers and protectors. Watchers may be protected. Protectors may be watched.

So, I'll move from one person who has refused to answer questions to another:

Change vote: Paws7297

I'm not sure that I'd go that far - I'd be okay with people avoiding certain questions in some cases, but in this specific case, I don't think it is sensible to let people avoid the thread.

[eayragt]

I'm not sure that I'd go that far - I'd be okay with people avoiding certain questions in some cases, but in this specific case, I don't think it is sensible to let people avoid the thread.

Oh, there's nothing wrong with people giving a reason for not answering questions. Or giving us something while not addressing the issue at hand for some reason. Refusing to come on the thread and asnwer the questions, on the other hand...

Yes, we'll lynch people with Real Life TM issues, but it's too easy for scum to hide that way.

[d_w_w]

Oh, there's nothing wrong with people giving a reason for not answering questions. Or giving us something while not addressing the issue at hand for some reason. Refusing to come on the thread and asnwer the questions, on the other hand...

Yes, we'll lynch people with Real Life TM issues, but it's too easy for scum to hide that way.

Agreed.

[cappyboy]

So...

The phase is winding down.

Honestly, I think we need to be proactive here. No response from Paws. Is it because she's busy or because she's ducking the thread?

No idea.

But, we've got off to a good start (with MLT and Jaded going down so early), so I think we should press forward.

Unless Paws pops up and plays ball, I'd like to see the lynch go through. If she's scum, then we're in solid shape by lynching her. If she's town, she's claimed to have a fairly minor role (she said this, I think, when she was campaigning for council on D1).

And either way, it sets a good precedence for us by showing folks that they can't avoid pressure by avoiding the thread.

I also tend to agree. It seems a shame to have to lynch a former council member so soon after losing GruntMark at night. But if Paws wanted to co-operate and get her feet out of the fire she's had ample opportunity to do that.

Vote: Paws7297

And while I'm at it, in the interest of continuity,

Elect: d_w_w

[praguepride]

Unofficial:

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 9 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack, Prophet, ShadowedFlames, eayragt)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
d_w_w: 3 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack, praguepride)
Dragonmack: 4 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)
cappyboy: 1 (ShadowedFlames)



So assuming phase ends EST, that gives us about 4 hours and Paws is sitting at L-3. Barring her magically coming back and giving us info, let's finish this.

One other observation, I think if she comes back at the last minute, she should still be lynched. I've gone back through previous games and I notice a very common scum tactic is to wait until right before deadline to claim to throw people off, as this can often result in a no lynch without people having time to disect and pick apart an otherwise weak claim.

[Imarevenant]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 10 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack, Prophet, ShadowedFlames, eayragt, cappyboy)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
d_w_w: 4 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack, praguepride, cappyboy)
Dragonmack: 4 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)
cappyboy: 1 (ShadowedFlames)

[Destiny]

Vote: Paws7297. I know first-hand that you need to be active in these games.

[i effin rule]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 11 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack, Prophet, ShadowedFlames, eayragt, cappyboy, Destiny)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
d_w_w: 4 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack, praguepride, cappyboy)
Dragonmack: 4 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye)
Destiny: 4 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)
cappyboy: 1 (ShadowedFlames)

[Comradebot]

Want me to drop the hammer while I"m here? About to head to class in a couple minutes.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I don't know... I still think something's off, but then again, if she was still part of the council, she wouldn't have helped us much by now, and there's a chance come next day phase, she would be in this same situation.

Vote: Paws7297

Here's to hoping...

[Comradebot]

Nvm...

Well, just incase:

Vote: Paws

Elect: Destiny


Off to Vikings.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Change Vote: Paws7297 rather.

Want me to drop the hammer while I"m here? About to head to class in a couple minutes.

Hammered you to it. :D

[Tha Black Phenom]

...bah, actually I think you beat me to it. Haha.

[MichiganHero]

No need Comrade,

VOTE : Paws7297

Silence be the killer of you m'dear.

[eayragt]

No need Comrade,

VOTE : Paws7297

Silence be the killer of you m'dear.

Don't you hate it when you don't realise there's another page?

[MichiganHero]

No need Comrade,

VOTE : Paws7297

Silence be the killer of you m'dear.

Curse my stupid web browser not showing me a page! :mad:

[MichiganHero]

Don't you hate it when you don't realise there's another page?

Yes. Yes I do eayragt.

[BHK1978]

Well I was going to drop a vote now, because she has had plenty of time to respond. I mean still being in High School, she probably could not make it on today. However, there was plenty of time yesterday for her to respond.

I also find it to be interesting that C-Bot just showed up out of the blue to drop his vote...

[Imarevenant]

It is now D3, you have until 4:30pm on Wednesday, February 9th to reach a majority of 12 to lynch someone. You will also be electing new officials in this time frame.


Lynch

Wallbanger: 2 (eayragt, Tha Black Phenom)
Paws7297: 14 (praguepride, Smartbomb, mjdgoldeneye, michgcs, d_w_w, Dragonmack, Prophet, ShadowedFlames, eayragt, cappyboy, Destiny, Comradebot, Tha Black Phenom, Michiganhero)


Election

Eayragt: 2 (Ranson, masterded)
d_w_w: 4 (Jman2k3, Dragonmack, praguepride, cappyboy)
Dragonmack: 4 (Smartbomb, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, mjdgoldeneye)
Destiny: 5 (d_w_w, Destiny, BHK1978, MichiganHero, Comradebot)
Undertaker666: 1 (Eayragt)
cappyboy: 1 (ShadowedFlames)


Lynch has been achieved and your Officials have been elected. Write-up forthcoming.

[Imarevenant]

D3

The citizens of Dayordra had seen the demise of another member of the Apostasy during the previous night. However, with the death of Gruntmark the elected officials would have to be re-examined. One former official in particular drew the suspicion of many. Their silence was damning and the will of Dayordra was carried out.

Again Dayordra would rejoice.


Paws7297 is dead. She was Bacchus, The Apostasy Aligned Chameleon


A change in leadership was also decided upon, as d_w_w, Destiny and Dragonmark were elected as Dayordra's officials.

[Imarevenant]

It is now N3, you have until 3:00pm EST on Thursday, February 10th to get your abilities in to both i effin rule and Imarevenant.

[eayragt]

Well done all behind the lynch - I did little more than vote after the non-reaction, so credit the other people who built the unanswered pressure.

[MichiganHero]

3 for 3! Good sign people. Let's build upon it.

[d_w_w]

That makes D1 make a lot more sense to me.

[Tha Black Phenom]

That makes D1 make a lot more sense to me.

Me too.. for certain things. Puts some other things in question though.

[d_w_w]

Me too.. for certain things. Puts some other things in question though.

Hmm.

Worth talking about now or rather way for day?

[MichiganHero]

That makes D1 make a lot more sense to me.

Should we maybe look at Ranson? I don't know if his vote for Paws was just blind following or a well ochestrated scum move.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Hmm.

Worth talking about now or rather way for day?

I'd wait for the day.

[cappyboy]

Well done all behind the lynch - I did little more than vote after the non-reaction, so credit the other people who built the unanswered pressure.

Amen, great work by the leaders of this lynch. Maybe I can use this quiet night to see a restoration expert about that Rita Hayworth poster Ranson ripped.

[d_w_w]

Should we maybe look at Ranson? I don't know if his vote for Paws was just blind following or a well ochestrated scum move.

Maybe. Don't want to say too much about him or the other folks I have on my mind. Don't want to unintentionally cause any shenanigans.

I'd wait for the day.

Sounds good.

[MichiganHero]

Maybe. Don't want to say too much about him or the other folks I have on my mind. Don't want to unintentionally cause any shenanigans.



Sounds good.

Sounds good to me.

[praguepride]

You're welcome :D

Just looking at the role title, I'm guessing she might have had some kind of investigation immunity, which would explain why scum would push to back her for office as if she turned up town, she would have the ear of the council and be a "trusted" official.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Holy crap... We're lynching scum too quickly.

That sounds scummy, but in my case it's entirely relevant! :p

[Ranson]

Should we maybe look at Ranson? I don't know if his vote for Paws was just blind following or a well ochestrated scum move.

Investigate away, nothing to hide here. Like I said, mostly vanilla, so following me at night won't do a lot of good, but I can say the Noble just wouldn't be the Noble without me.

[praguepride]

So, what you are saying is that you are the head guy in charge, the head guy that lured the primier into position for Jaded to snipe?

[Ranson]

Nah, I'd have to lead the house to do that. It's more...fundamental.

[Ranson]

Nah, I'd have to leave the house to do that. It's more...fundamental.

Corrected, because I can't type.

[Jman2k3]

Agreed. She needs to fess up or face the gallows.

Gallows?????

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Wow, the scum are dropping like flies. Hope we continue this good luck streak.

[cappyboy]

Corrected, because I can't type.

It happens. I find I especially have trouble when I'm typing something long and impassioned. I keep thinking I should get voice recognition software and abandon the typing altogether. :)