Enemies of the Noble: Rise of the Apostasy [Game Thread]

[praguepride]

Nah, I'd have to lead the house to do that. It's more...fundamental.

So...what you're saying is that you're the sperm donor that bred the leader of the man who led the premier into position to be killed?


You just can't win, can you ;)


@Jman: Yes. Exactly. I meant the Steve Austin clone!

[Paws7297]

Oops... I didn't have much of a chance to defend myself there... :D Bah, curse being busy. Good game guys.

GO SCUM! :D

[i effin rule]

The phase has reached its conclusion. The night writeup cometh.

[i effin rule]

N3

The citizens of Dayordra began to grow confident. Not yet had one of their beloved people fallen at the hands of this new scourge. In addition to that, they’ve been able to rid themselves of several of the believed evilness. Would this trend continue through the night?


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Another night at work. This one hoped the night would bring fortune, and it did.


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They set outside of a building, their eyes fixed on each other. This was not some lovers embrace, nor was their animosity. They simply stared at each other all night.


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He lurked in the shadows, analyzing, observing, and estimating. This one would do quite nicely.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

[eayragt]

Vote: Wallbanger

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

Wallbanger: 1 (eayragt)

[i effin rule]

All pm's should be out. If you were expecting one and didn't get it, please pm myself and Rev.

[Tha Black Phenom]

People I'm willing to look at:

Undertaker666
cappyboy
C-Bot

...with Banger or eayragt being the wildcard.

[BHK1978]

People I'm willing to look at:

Undertaker666
cappyboy
C-Bot

...with Banger or eayragt being the wildcard.

Cappyboy has piqued my interest as well. I am trying to figure out what his various exchanges with Ranson are all about. Also, I am wondering why he is talking about 1940's movie starlets so much.

[eayragt]

People I'm willing to look at:

Undertaker666
cappyboy
C-Bot

...with Banger or eayragt being the wildcard.

I'll happily support a 'Taker push, although 'Banger comes first for more than one resaon.

cappy I've never seen play as scum, so am currently ambivilent as he seems to be playing simialrly to GCBC.

C-Bot - definately a piquer.

eayragt - don't you just want to lynch 'Banger first before trying eayragt out? Or just hear him actually say anything?

There's another on my list as well, but that's just a gut feeling that's got no basis, so I'll just keep watching that one.

[Prophet]

Wow, quiet night. Nice to see two sensible people stand out in the darkness and stare at each other. lol

I have to ask, though ... and pardon my ignorance if I missed something glaringly obvious, but is `banger's name still coming up because of day 1?

[cappyboy]

cappy I've never seen play as scum, so am currently ambivilent as he seems to be playing simialrly to GCBC.


Dude, didn't you play Character Creation?

[BHK1978]

Wow, quiet night. Nice to see two sensible people stand out in the darkness and stare at each other. lol

I have to ask, though ... and pardon my ignorance if I missed something glaringly obvious, but is `banger's name still coming up because of day 1?

I was wondering that myself, yes the lack of posting seems to be very un-Banger like but other than that I am not sure why eayragt has made this his personal Crusade. Not that I am against getting something from Banger, I just do not really have an opinion about him one way or the other thus far.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'll happily support a 'Taker push, although 'Banger comes first for more than one resaon.

Do you know something that is yet to be disclosed? I don't mean to be so blunt, but if you do, I can probably do us a service by knowing anything you know.

(Or anything anyone knows about potential scum, for that matter.)

[eayragt]

Dude, didn't you play Character Creation?

Oh - you were scum in that masterful scum game, were you? If that's the case you killed me off Night 1 that game and I can't remember much more than that. All I remember about that game was that scum played a great game a praguepride forgot to take a moment to stop and breath.

[cappyboy]

Oh - you were scum in that masterful scum game, were you? If that's the case you killed me off Night 1 that game and I can't remember much more than that. All I remember about that game was that scum played a great game a praguepride forgot to take a moment to stop and breath.

Well, the other scum were masterful. I crumbled like a hard taco shell.

[eayragt]

Well, the other scum were masterful. I crumbled like a hard taco shell.

Well, it's good to know that I have a game to go to if I want to reference a scum cappyboy. Not that I can be bothered, and I know that I've changed the way I play (both alignments) in the year+ since that game, so I'm not sure how much use that would be.

Do you know something that is yet to be disclosed? I don't mean to be so blunt, but if you do, I can probably do us a service by knowing anything you know.

(Or anything anyone knows about potential scum, for that matter.)

Well, I know that Wallbanger is scum, but I think I've already disclosed that. And Wallbanger's response was "stop being mean to Destiny". He tried that against me in Medical Mafia. It worked then. He was scum. He is scum. Every play of his so far has been scum. He has done nothing townie. He is scum. Proving he's scum will bring more scum.

Did I mention that he's scum?

[Wallbanger]

Well, I know that Wallbanger is scum, but I think I've already disclosed that. And Wallbanger's response was "stop being mean to Destiny". He tried that against me in Medical Mafia. It worked then. He was scum. He is scum. Every play of his so far has been scum. He has done nothing townie. He is scum. Proving he's scum will bring more scum.

Did I mention that he's scum?

So your logic is "Wallbanger defends Destiny = Wallbanger is scum". You base this on the fact that Destiny and I were scum together in MedMaf.

But, for it to be suspicious that I supported Destiny in the D1 election presumes that Destiny is town.

So why would I as scum defend Destiny as town? Certainly not for townie cred, given the circumstances. Can it not be that I, regardless of alignment, think Destiny gets a bum rap at times?

[Wallbanger]

Do you know something that is yet to be disclosed? I don't mean to be so blunt, but if you do, I can probably do us a service by knowing anything you know.

(Or anything anyone knows about potential scum, for that matter.)

I think you can take eay's response as a "no, I have nothing", presuming you were looking for something more concrete than conjecture.

I, on the other hand, will give you something to chew on.

I know that PP was roleblocked on N2. (my ability allows me to find out what actions were taken against a player, but not who initiated the action) He claimed to get a result but refused specifics.

Why lie about that?

[eayragt]

So your logic is "Wallbanger defends Destiny = Wallbanger is scum". You base this on the fact that Destiny and I were scum together in MedMaf.

No, that's not it at all. In Medical Mafia you guilted me into backing off (Destiny in that case). Here you were trying to guilt me into reversing my thoughts, and therefore backing off you. Same tactic. By coincidence they both involve Destiny, with different alignments.

I don't want to start an argument into Destiny's skills - he is not unskilled. He often follows. He is very active in signing up to games and unfortunately he becomes less active some of the time, and has also been mislynched more than anyone else in the last year. He was a good candidate for the scum to put forward to council.

And it's the way you put him forward.

And the way you haven't said what you were up to on Night 1 yet.

And the way that you haven't said where you were on Day 2 when scum wanted a stall.

And one other.

This isn't an argument about Destiny. This is an argument about you being scum.

[Wallbanger]

No, that's not it at all. In Medical Mafia you guilted me into backing off (Destiny in that case). Here you were trying to guilt me into reversing my thoughts, and therefore backing off you. Same tactic. By coincidence they both involve Destiny, with different alignments.

I don't want to start an argument into Destiny's skills - he is not unskilled. He often follows. He is very active in signing up to games and unfortunately he becomes less active some of the time, and has also been mislynched more than anyone else in the last year. He was a good candidate for the scum to put forward to council.

And it's the way you put him forward.

And the way you haven't said what you were up to on Night 1 yet.

And the way that you haven't said where you were on Day 2 when scum wanted a stall.

And one other.

This isn't an argument about Destiny. This is an argument about you being scum.

I targeted Kenwyne N1 and got a negative result (i.e. no actions were taken against him that night), presuming no shenanigans.

If you must know about why I was AWOL from the thread over the weekend, my daughter had a music festival she was participating in Friday and Saturday and my Sundays are always busy between the two church services I sing at, and the extra bonus of chaperoning the youth group Super Bowl party. And because I had to take Friday off I've had to rearrange my work schedule, so I've had less free time. I genuinely love mafia and this group, but work and family time takes priority.

To be honest, I've not been overly bothered with your pressure because it hasn't gotten out of hand yet, and suspicion on me is keeping me alive. So feel free to be as aggressive as you like and keep calling me scum. It just means the scum will keep me alive. I just hope that you're not completely tunnel-visioned about this.

[Wallbanger]

And the "secret magic scum tell" bit's been done before.

[i effin rule]

gonvick will be replacing Undertaker666 effective immediately!

[michgcs]

gonvick will be replacing Undertaker666 effective immediately!

meanwhile, djthefunkchris still hasn't posted?

[Ranson]

It's the "complete avoidance of everything" strategy. Could be a winner.

[d_w_w]

Just curious.

Anyone make sense of Ranson's hints during the last night phase?

[ShadowedFlames]

It's the "complete avoidance of everything" strategy. Could be a winner.

It's not just here. Actually kind of worried about him, worried that something may have happened to him offline and we just don't know.

[d_w_w]

I, on the other hand, will give you something to chew on.

I know that PP was roleblocked on N2. (my ability allows me to find out what actions were taken against a player, but not who initiated the action) He claimed to get a result but refused specifics.

Why lie about that?

Would like to hear PP explain this as well.

[Jman2k3]

Would like to hear PP explain this as well.

Same.

[Comradebot]

And the "secret magic scum tell" bit's been done before.

And 90% of the time my "secret magic scum tell" is correct. I think it's a valid push to use on someone, so long as you actually saw something that made you go "hmmmmm".

And yes, I'm aware I haven't been all that active. But I'm here for right now, if anyone needs me.

[Tha Black Phenom]

eayragt - don't you just want to lynch 'Banger first before trying eayragt out? Or just hear him actually say anything?.

The outcome may determine my stance.

C-Bot, you go out at night?

[masterded]

meanwhile, djthefunkchris still hasn't posted?

Maybe IER hasn't found enough replacements yet.

[Jman2k3]

Maybe IER hasn't found enough replacements yet.

Maybe, or DJ could be playing without saying anything and just sending in his actions. Always that possibility.

[michgcs]

Maybe IER hasn't found enough replacements yet.

Good point. So anyway, anyone have anything? Interested to hear from PP, and I don't know why the town isn't more active today :confused:

[d_w_w]

Just curious.

Anyone make sense of Ranson's hints during the last night phase?

Gonna assume not.

Okay.

Vote: Ranson

Why'd you support paws on D1 for election?

Why didn't you vote to lynch MLT or Paws?

[michgcs]

Gonna assume not.

Okay.

Vote: Ranson

Why'd you support paws on D1 for election?

Why didn't you vote to lynch MLT or Paws?

Ooh, interesting.

[d_w_w]

BTW - let's work multiple avenues here.

Still like to see where 'Banger vs. eayragt goes. Also like to see PP respond to 'Banger's comment/question.

Let's make good use of the phase :)

[Ranson]

I explained the D1 Paws election already.

Change vote: Jaded

Might as well try to move with one of the tides. The evidence is good enough, given the last dozen or so pages, and shouting at a wall like a cranky, confused old man with my one vote won't actually accomplish anything.

There's day 2. Didn't see a point in changing it; once the ball got rolling on MLT, there was no need to take my feet off the couch.

As for the Paws lynch, I honestly wasn't convinced enough to vote, but my other choices (such as Wallbanger) weren't gaining any momentum.

Take it or leave it. So, did anyone waste their time investigating me last night?

[d_w_w]

I explained the D1 Paws election already.



There's day 2. Didn't see a point in changing it; once the ball got rolling on MLT, there was no need to take my feet off the couch.

As for the Paws lynch, I honestly wasn't convinced enough to vote, but my other choices (such as Wallbanger) weren't gaining any momentum.

Take it or leave it. So, did anyone waste their time investigating me last night?

This is your explanation:

Heh. Honestly, the "both voted for Paws" thing is coincidence; I threw in the elect this time because I liked the analysis coming out of last day phase. I voted first for Paws for something to do. I'm a (mostly) vanilla townie, sitting around, with nothing much to drive events forward. I'm not an active debater, especially as inexperienced as I am at the game, not having a lot of experience with the players to pick out patterns. I'm a lurker by nature, anyway. So, I'm reading and voting as I see fit, and to keep myself entertained.

Anyway, between the job and kids, I can't be on here all the time like some of you whippersnappers, so I spend a lot of time catching up.

Now get me my ear-horn and get off my lawn! ;)

For the record, this isn't much of an explanation.

But... I'm starting to think I have an idea of your character.

I'm not really sure what to make of you right now.
:o

[Ranson]

I realize that really isn't much of an explanation, and I'm quite aware that I haven't, as yet, cultivated the keen sense of paranoia about the game that many seem to have. At this point, I'm not sure I require it.

I can say, without a bit of hesitation, that I have not typed an untrue word in any of my posts this game. I think that, rather, most everyone are working from a false set of assumptions. Regarding this, I think that MLT was telling more truth than we may think she was.

I've always felt that the best form of lying is telling the truth so unconvincingly that no one believes you...

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

Wallbanger: 1 (eayragt)
Ranson: 1 (d_w_w)

[cappyboy]

I realize that really isn't much of an explanation, and I'm quite aware that I haven't, as yet, cultivated the keen sense of paranoia about the game that many seem to have. At this point, I'm not sure I require it.

I can say, without a bit of hesitation, that I have not typed an untrue word in any of my posts this game. I think that, rather, most everyone are working from a false set of assumptions. Regarding this, I think that MLT was telling more truth than we may think she was.

I've always felt that the best form of lying is telling the truth so unconvincingly that no one believes you...

Okay, now I'm really confused. Does this mean we're supposed to believe you are Dayordra? Or are we supposed to believe you are lying based on your own premise? I knew I should have taken my cod liver oil.

Man, I need to go get my shawl. It's starting to get really cold in here.

[Comradebot]

The outcome may determine my stance.

C-Bot, you go out at night?

Nope, I don't do anything at night.

[djthefunkchris]

It's not just here. Actually kind of worried about him, worried that something may have happened to him offline and we just don't know.
Thankyou for worrying my friend, but honestly I was doing an experiment. I really don't want anyone actually worried or concerned about me without an actual real reason, and I guess this has gone on far enough (my experiment).

I wanted to see what it was like to read and not post. I thought it would be alot harder then it was, but I have to admit it really wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.

Secondly, I thought it might help me stay alive (my name might not come up nearly as much as when I'm a loudmouth). This part actually seems to be working. Your concern has brought me out though, since I thought it would be slightly against the rules to just shoot you a PM saying I'm fine.

Thirdly, I have been super busy (the reason I started with the "silence" was not intentional at the start). Been working from 8am till well after 8pm quite a bit, and with the yearly inventory coming up in the next week it will get worse for me (although not as bad as I have been on purpose).

I'm trying to catch up on two games, and it looks like the other one I better say something soon in for a different reason, lol.
Gonna assume not.

Okay.

Vote: Ranson

Why'd you support paws on D1 for election?

Why didn't you vote to lynch MLT or Paws?
This: I would also like to know a little more about Ranson here.... and before I vote...
BTW - let's work multiple avenues here.

Still like to see where 'Banger vs. eayragt goes. Also like to see PP respond to 'Banger's comment/question.

Let's make good use of the phase :)

/nod. But I feel like this comment comes to quickly without more pressure (not like everyone is throwing votes down in the first place). So with that, since I do find your avenue has the biggest point, I'm going to do this.

Vote:Ranson

Eary, I understand how you feel, and believe it or not Wallbanger looks a bit scummy with the way he has been answering you... well, about 50/50 on it. Coupled with the fact that I always think he's scum even when he is not, I have to lean with my brain instead of with my instincts on this one.

As for the other things going on, untill more light is sheded on things, and until I can actually find anything out on my own... I just can't back anything that doesn't have actual substance to it.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

Wallbanger: 1 (eayragt)
Ranson: 2 (d_w_w, djthefunckchris)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Vote: Ranson

I meant to vote before but my internet went pffft when I tried.

Also, please, heed these words: If you choose to lynch someone, DO NOT lynch them until I get online (tomorrow) even if you're sure they're scum. In fact, ESPECIALLY if you're sure they're scum.

I may be able to enhance things a bit if you wait up for me.

[SmartBomb]

I think someone slipped me some caffeine in my lunch, I'm extremely hyper. :o HYPERHYPERHYPERHYPERHYPER

Investigate away, nothing to hide here. Like I said, mostly vanilla, so following me at night won't do a lot of good, but I can say the Noble just wouldn't be the Noble without me.

Got an idea... don't believe you, slightly worried.

People I'm willing to look at:

Undertaker666
cappyboy
C-Bot

...with Banger or eayragt being the wildcard.

Numbers two, three and four are interesting. Five is a wild card.

Well, the other scum were masterful. I crumbled like a hard taco shell.

METAGAMING~!

Of a different kind.

I think you can take eay's response as a "no, I have nothing", presuming you were looking for something more concrete than conjecture.

I, on the other hand, will give you something to chew on.

I know that PP was roleblocked on N2. (my ability allows me to find out what actions were taken against a player, but not who initiated the action) He claimed to get a result but refused specifics.

Why lie about that?

...I did think that prague's secretness of "Jaded killed the premier, not telling what GruntMark did" is odd.

Wallbanger, target last night, flavour behind your ability?

I realize that really isn't much of an explanation, and I'm quite aware that I haven't, as yet, cultivated the keen sense of paranoia about the game that many seem to have. At this point, I'm not sure I require it.

I can say, without a bit of hesitation, that I have not typed an untrue word in any of my posts this game. I think that, rather, most everyone are working from a false set of assumptions. Regarding this, I think that MLT was telling more truth than we may think she was.

I've always felt that the best form of lying is telling the truth so unconvincingly that no one believes you...

...you've lost me.

Oh, you're a body switcher.

Lynch. :p

[eayragt]

Okay, multiple angles it is.

Wallbanger - your night 2 result is something you could know about if you were aligned with a scum roleblocker. Your night 1 result is against someone not around to refute it. A hint at what you did last night, something that may hint that you're telling the truth. You know, it might be enough to counteract everything else scummy you've done this game. Maybe :cool:.

Praguepride - If Banger is scum, he knows you were roleblocked by one of your teammates. If he's town, he knows you were roleblocked. Or he was lying, which would be odd, but your night results weren't exactly a revelation. So, you lied? What's up with that?

Ranson - unfortunately we have both voted similar ways in early elections and votes, and therefore there's suspicion on both of us. I believe you're not scum, if that's any help. Not that that will be reassuring to anyone else as some will have us down as scum buddies.

DJ - welcome back.

gonvick - could you tell me a little something about you? Anything, really - a bit about your character, something that 'Taker did at night, up to you. Unfortunately he was high on my scum list, and I'd like something to work on from you.

In the interest in keeping things moving and not shouting at a brick wall

Change vote: praguepride

[gonvick]

gonvick - could you tell me a little something about you? Anything, really - a bit about your character, something that 'Taker did at night, up to you. Unfortunately he was high on my scum list, and I'd like something to work on from you.


My character is female, but not in the write ups. The current climate of fear has lead to my usual business not being sought after, so my ability isn't what would normally be expected for my character.

[Jman2k3]

Okay, multiple angles it is.

Wallbanger - your night 2 result is something you could know about if you were aligned with a scum roleblocker. Your night 1 result is against someone not around to refute it. A hint at what you did last night, something that may hint that you're telling the truth. You know, it might be enough to counteract everything else scummy you've done this game. Maybe :cool:.

Praguepride - If Banger is scum, he knows you were roleblocked by one of your teammates. If he's town, he knows you were roleblocked. Or he was lying, which would be odd, but your night results weren't exactly a revelation. So, you lied? What's up with that?

Ranson - unfortunately we have both voted similar ways in early elections and votes, and therefore there's suspicion on both of us. I believe you're not scum, if that's any help. Not that that will be reassuring to anyone else as some will have us down as scum buddies.

DJ - welcome back.

gonvick - could you tell me a little something about you? Anything, really - a bit about your character, something that 'Taker did at night, up to you. Unfortunately he was high on my scum list, and I'd like something to work on from you.

In the interest in keeping things moving and not shouting at a brick wall

Change vote: praguepride

You make some good points. WHat you have to say.....

vote: praguepride

[SmartBomb]

...I did think that prague's secretness of "Jaded killed the premier, not telling what GruntMark did" is odd.

Wallbanger, target last night, flavour behind your ability?

...because this smells a bit like a scum ploy. "Oh, yeah, prague got blocked N2, except, y'know, I didn't mention it in D3 when we didn't have a big lead as such."

It seemed like the scum were trying to stall the phase, stop talking and whatnot. All "wait on Paws, don't talk about anyone else" and it would have worked had Paws actually showed up in the end and defended herself. mmph.

[Destiny]

Add me to the several people who would like to know of praguepride's activity on the second night of this game, and thanks for appointing me as a member of the council.

[praguepride]

Would like to hear PP explain this as well.


blink blink. I swear I have answered this multiple times. Jaded killed the primier, and I know if Grunty was telling the truth about whether he was BP or bluffing.

That info on Grunty... how does that help town at this point? But that info would help scum tremendously.

In Dr. Horrible, scum almost lost the game because they didnt realize Penny was the protector that foiled a bunch of their kills, so they tried going after Paws because they thought her bomb claim was a bluff.

So if I say Grunt was a power role that could greatly change scums target choice in their favor.

I do find it odd that you keep prying, and are now claiming a PC Geekish role too.

vote: wallbanger

When Ive said multiple times that the info on grunty is more helpful to scum, this is the second time youve tried to subtley pry it out of me.

[Destiny]

I really don't know what to think of the whole Wallbanger/praguepride situation.

[d_w_w]

blink blink. I swear I have answered this multiple times. Jaded killed the primier, and I know if Grunty was telling the truth about whether he was BP or bluffing.

That info on Grunty... how does that help town at this point? But that info would help scum tremendously.

In Dr. Horrible, scum almost lost the game because they didnt realize Penny was the protector that foiled a bunch of their kills, so they tried going after Paws because they thought her bomb claim was a bluff.

So if I say Grunt was a power role that could greatly change scums target choice in their favor.

I do find it odd that you keep prying, and are now claiming a PC Geekish role too.

vote: wallbanger

When Ive said multiple times that the info on grunty is more helpful to scum, this is the second time youve tried to subtley pry it out of me.

So, just to be absolutely clear - you're claiming that you were not roleblocked that night?

[d_w_w]

I realize that really isn't much of an explanation, and I'm quite aware that I haven't, as yet, cultivated the keen sense of paranoia about the game that many seem to have. At this point, I'm not sure I require it.

I can say, without a bit of hesitation, that I have not typed an untrue word in any of my posts this game. I think that, rather, most everyone are working from a false set of assumptions. Regarding this, I think that MLT was telling more truth than we may think she was.

I've always felt that the best form of lying is telling the truth so unconvincingly that no one believes you...

Just some comments:

This isn't about paranoia. The goal is to lynch scum. Without any "reliable" role-based results, I am simply judging people on what they've said and done.

You have not voted to lynch scum, you have not made any sort effort toward finding scum, and you were the first person to vote to elect paws.

That's all circumstantial and you might not be scum.

But this is an avenue that I have to pursue, because right now you and some others have played like scum. The difference between someone like you and eayragt is that eayragt at least discussed the sensibility of lynching MLT.

As for me saying "that's not much of explanation" - I mean the following: if there something like a council mechanic in effect for a game, you should not vote someone in for fun, at least not as a townie. I know this is just a game and it's not that serious, but why not play to win?

I warned people about supporting paws on D1. I said that she needed to give more information to get on the council. In the end, she gave nothing and your vote helped put her in office.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 2 (eayragt, Jman2k3)
Ranson: 3 (d_w_w, djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[Destiny]

Vote: Ranson. As others have said, he helped secure Paws7297 a position on the council on the first day.

[cappyboy]

Vote: Ranson. As others have said, he helped secure Paws7297 a position on the council on the first day.

And in addition to that, he's been talking in riddles, been evasive without giving us plausible cause to accept it, and he's tried to act like he's me. Add it all up

Vote: Ranson

Oh and I want my Great Gildersleeve tapes back. Just don't make me go in that closet of yours, you big Fibber. I don't think we have a salvage expert in this game. And even if we do, I don't know we could trust him anyway. They tend to be Apostasy in situations like this.

[Destiny]

That's five votes on Ranson with just over half of the day phase still to come. I'd like to hear from him soon.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 2 (eayragt, Jman2k3)
Ranson: 5 (d_w_w, djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[Dragonmack]

Ranson seems to be the reasonable option this phase.

Vote: Ranson

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 2 (eayragt, Jman2k3)
Ranson: 6 (d_w_w, djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, dragonmack)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Something doesn't feel right about this... but...

Vote: Ranson

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 2 (eayragt, Jman2k3)
Ranson: 7 (d_w_w, djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, dragonmack, Tha Black Phenom)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[eayragt]

Um, lets give Ranson chance to answer. And to not talk riddles. Ranson, don't give up an excuse to mislynch you.

[d_w_w]

Um, lets give Ranson chance to answer. And to not talk riddles. Ranson, don't give up an excuse to mislynch you.

/nod

And I'd really like to PP to confirm that he was not blocked on the night in question.

[Destiny]

I believe pragurpride heavily implied that he wasn't roleblocked and that Wallbanger was simply fishing for information.

[d_w_w]

I believe pragurpride heavily implied that he wasn't roleblocked and that Wallbanger was simply fishing for information.

If PP wasn't roleblocked, then Banger wasn't fishing for information.

He was fabricating results.

And he should be lynched.

[praguepride]

/nod

And I'd really like to PP to confirm that he was not blocked on the night in question.

I actually have no idea, and I have no idea if I even can be roleblocked. I don't send in any kind of PM or target. My understanding is that after someone dies, I automatically collect the corpse. It will show up on investigations but I'm not targeting anyone ahead of time, so I would speculate that I perform my actions at "dawn" (i.e. right before day starts, right after night ends) so I would guess I'm unblockable.

I think 'Banger is acting unusually suspicious about it, and will be pressing him further. Until then, I will drop a vote down on Ranson as needed, but we still have over 24 hours so no rush is necessary.

[d_w_w]

I think you can take eay's response as a "no, I have nothing", presuming you were looking for something more concrete than conjecture.

I, on the other hand, will give you something to chew on.

I know that PP was roleblocked on N2. (my ability allows me to find out what actions were taken against a player, but not who initiated the action) He claimed to get a result but refused specifics.

Why lie about that?

The quote in question.

[d_w_w]

I actually have no idea, and I have no idea if I even can be roleblocked. I don't send in any kind of PM or target. My understanding is that after someone dies, I automatically collect the corpse. It will show up on investigations but I'm not targeting anyone ahead of time, so I would speculate that I perform my actions at "dawn" (i.e. right before day starts, right after night ends) so I would guess I'm unblockable.

I think 'Banger is acting unusually suspicious about it, and will be pressing him further. Until then, I will drop a vote down on Ranson as needed, but we still have over 24 hours so no rush is necessary.

If you are not blockable, then that makes things complicated. If you are blockable, then this was a nice either/or situation.

I guess I'd like to hear Banger's other results.

[Destiny]

To be clear, praguepride, as far as you are concerned you have used your ability every night?

[MichiganHero]

Whilst Ranson does look like a good option, I wish to pose Comradebot a question.

Care to explain why it says your a threat to Daydora?

[Tha Black Phenom]

He obviously hasn't(supposedly) seeing as there's been two nights without a death.

[d_w_w]

Whilst Ranson does look like a good option, I wish to pose Comradebot a question.

Care to explain why it says your a threat to Daydora?

Well, the most obvious reason is because he's a threat. Incentive to talk and potential lynching may be in order here.

Change Vote: Comradebot

[Tha Black Phenom]

Change Vote: Comradebot

[MichiganHero]

The one thing I forgot to do ;

VOTE : Comradebot

[Imarevenant]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 2 (eayragt, Jman2k3)
Ranson: 5 (djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, dragonmack)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)
Comradebot: 3 (d_w_w, Tha Black Phenom, MichiganHero)

[gonvick]

Whilst Ranson does look like a good option, I wish to pose Comradebot a question.

Care to explain why it says your a threat to Daydora?

Vote: Comradebot

For further incentive to speak up.

[Dragonmack]

Change Vote: Comradebot.
Confirmed threat vote gets priority with me over scummy behaviour.

[masterded]

Change Vote: Comradebot.
Confirmed threat vote gets priority with me over scummy behaviour.

Vote: Comradebot

[eayragt]

There's no need for me to make it six votes. So in summary:

Ranson - we need to know something clear about you
Wallbanger - we need to know what you did last night
Comradebot - a claim or a very good reason not to lynch you is in order, methinks

Two sane investigators seems odd, but MH investigated Destiny as town who investigated mlt as scum. There's limited that can be wrong with sanaties.

Change vote: No vote

[eayragt]

Sorry, seven votes.

I type slow.

[cappyboy]

Change Vote: Comradebot.
Confirmed threat vote gets priority with me over scummy behaviour.

Sounds reasonable to me as well. But since we're almost at the halfway point with him, I think I'll sit back and give him a chance to speak first. I can always shift later if he's not believable or he pulls a Paws.

[mjdgoldeneye]

It's time to achieve eternal glory. If MH is right, all is well. If not, I lose.

For Dayordra.

[eayragt]

It's time to achieve eternal glory. If MH is right, all is well. If not, I lose.

For Dayordra.

DAYORDRA!!

[Ranson]

Okay, so here’s the deal. I’m Mickll Smapmor, Dayordra Aligned Cherished Elder I realize that saying this won’t matter, but the title is more flavor than anything, as I’ve already stated a lack of active abilities. As to my being a bit confusing to the seasoned vets, well, I play every game (not just Mafia, which I’m relatively new to) in whatever manner appears to suit the situation. This is what suits my situation. So, here’s what you’re getting:

I’ve already stated that the Noble would not be the Noble without me. That statement, while 100% accurate, does not mean what you think it means. I can guarantee that. I am not some lynchpin character without whom Noble abilities would cease to work, nor did I create the Noble. Yet, it is true that they would not be what they are without my being what I am.

Secondly, (and I realize that being vague here will still not help me much, but that’s how I’m choosing to play it) my death would immediately and substantially benefit the scum, beyond the simple loss of a townie. However, losing me to a lynch would be doubly bad, because it robs other characters of the opportunity to investigate what happened to me in terms of a night kill. Basically, a lynch scores one (more, really) for the scum free and clear, but if I’m killed at night, there is at least the potential to benefit the town.

Regarding my statement that MLT may have been telling more truth than suspected, her exposition about having an unusual win condition doesn’t strike me as particularly odd, given what information I currently have. I suspect there are some esoteric win conditions in this game. That’s what my statement about telling the truth unconvincingly came from; I not sure that she was lying about that part, and that means that there are likely a myriad of minigames going on here aside from town vs. scum.

My voting patterns, well, they're crap when looked at from the outside. I may have misjudged how some things would appear. Looked at from my perspective, they make decent sense.

Frankly, I expect a lynch to go through on me anyway…but don’t say I didn’t warn you.

[eayragt]

Still trying to work out why would have to investigators...

Maybe only one of them gets a threat result on Noble aligned?

Silly idea, especially given what was said on Day 1.

Although mjd's not going to be happy if C-Bot does come up Noble, methinks.

[eayragt]

Okay, so here’s the deal. I’m Mickll Smapmor, Dayordra Aligned Cherished Elder I realize that saying this won’t matter, but the title is more flavor than anything, as I’ve already stated a lack of active abilities. As to my being a bit confusing to the seasoned vets, well, I play every game (not just Mafia, which I’m relatively new to) in whatever manner appears to suit the situation. This is what suits my situation. So, here’s what you’re getting:

I’ve already stated that the Noble would not be the Noble without me. That statement, while 100% accurate, does not mean what you think it means. I can guarantee that. I am not some lynchpin character without whom Noble abilities would cease to work, nor did I create the Noble. Yet, it is true that they would not be what they are without my being what I am.

Secondly, (and I realize that being vague here will still not help me much, but that’s how I’m choosing to play it) my death would immediately and substantially benefit the scum, beyond the simple loss of a townie. However, losing me to a lynch would be doubly bad, because it robs other characters of the opportunity to investigate what happened to me in terms of a night kill. Basically, a lynch scores one (more, really) for the scum free and clear, but if I’m killed at night, there is at least the potential to benefit the town.

Regarding my statement that MLT may have been telling more truth than suspected, her exposition about having an unusual win condition doesn’t strike me as particularly odd, given what information I currently have. I suspect there are some esoteric win conditions in this game. That’s what my statement about telling the truth unconvincingly came from; I not sure that she was lying about that part, and that means that there are likely a myriad of minigames going on here aside from town vs. scum.

My voting patterns, well, they're crap when looked at from the outside. I may have misjudged how some things would appear. Looked at from my perspective, they make decent sense.

Frankly, I expect a lynch to go through on me anyway…but don’t say I didn’t warn you.

I don't think you're scum.

I don't think the lynch is going through on you.

I think we might be able to find out something son about win conditions...

[eayragt]

And sorry for the triplepost, but that was "something soon".

Not quite ready to call anyone "son" yet.

[Ranson]

And sorry for the triplepost, but that was "something soon".

Not quite ready to call anyone "son" yet.

Totally messed up my chance to do a "...Papa?" post. :p

[eayragt]

Totally messed up my chance to do a "...Papa?" post. :p

Nicole?

[cappyboy]

Okay, so here’s the deal. I’m Mickll Smapmor, Dayordra Aligned Cherished Elder I realize that saying this won’t matter, but the title is more flavor than anything, as I’ve already stated a lack of active abilities. As to my being a bit confusing to the seasoned vets, well, I play every game (not just Mafia, which I’m relatively new to) in whatever manner appears to suit the situation. This is what suits my situation. So, here’s what you’re getting:

I’ve already stated that the Noble would not be the Noble without me. That statement, while 100% accurate, does not mean what you think it means. I can guarantee that. I am not some lynchpin character without whom Noble abilities would cease to work, nor did I create the Noble. Yet, it is true that they would not be what they are without my being what I am.

Secondly, (and I realize that being vague here will still not help me much, but that’s how I’m choosing to play it) my death would immediately and substantially benefit the scum, beyond the simple loss of a townie. However, losing me to a lynch would be doubly bad, because it robs other characters of the opportunity to investigate what happened to me in terms of a night kill. Basically, a lynch scores one (more, really) for the scum free and clear, but if I’m killed at night, there is at least the potential to benefit the town.

Regarding my statement that MLT may have been telling more truth than suspected, her exposition about having an unusual win condition doesn’t strike me as particularly odd, given what information I currently have. I suspect there are some esoteric win conditions in this game. That’s what my statement about telling the truth unconvincingly came from; I not sure that she was lying about that part, and that means that there are likely a myriad of minigames going on here aside from town vs. scum.

My voting patterns, well, they're crap when looked at from the outside. I may have misjudged how some things would appear. Looked at from my perspective, they make decent sense.

Frankly, I expect a lynch to go through on me anyway…but don’t say I didn’t warn you.

Okay. So you try to explain yourself and you just breed more confusion. Sounds like you're trying to claim Beloved Princess. But yet you minimize your importance. You keep speaking in riddles regarding your value to the Noble. You hold some vague threat over our heads which you shouldn't have to if you are Princess. Nope. Sorry. You'll have to do more of a sell job to get me to buy into this one.

[d_w_w]

Honestly, that style of explanation doesn't bother me too much from a newer player. Makes sense on a couple of different levels and makes me lol @ myself for not pulling back when I first wanted to.

Thinking that C-Bot has adopted my primary focus today now, though I'd love to see Banger come in and share his N3 results with us.

[michgcs]

Still trying to work out why would have to investigators...



Well... not just two...

[i effin rule]

Just got home, let me do some catching up.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 11 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 1 (Jman2k3)
Ranson: 4 (djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)
Comradebot: 6 (d_w_w, Tha Black Phenom, MichiganHero, gonvick, Dragonmack, masterded, )

[i effin rule]

MD4


There was arguing going back and forth, potential suspects were popping up all over the place. One person in particular had heard enough. He had been waiting for his moment of glory for such a long time and now the time was finally upon him.


He ran down the street screaming like a mad man, which was appropriate. He tackled Comradebot to the ground and screamed "FOR DAYORDRA!" before pressing a button his chest. A small alarm sounds and the man and his victim explode before everyone's eyes.


Comradebot is dead. He was Llur Digth, Brotherhood Aligned Father
mjdgoldeneye is dead. He was Dodsrod Llesing, Dayordra Aligned Militant

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 1 (Jman2k3)
Ranson: 4 (djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Uh... hmm. Another alignment? That can clear up a lot. gg mjd.

We're working with four alignments here, which probably clears up why there aren't so many Noble aligned. And maybe the Apostasy aren't as big as expected, so they should be playing on the defensive, unless the right power player is among them.

[Tha Black Phenom]

IER, any chance we can get an update on the main player list as to who replaced who?

As for Ranson's claim... for the most part it'll do. Part of me feels it's BS, mainly because of another person's possible influence. If he was lying, I'd be fairly certain who's on his camp too. So I don't know.

[michgcs]

IER, any chance we can get an update on the main player list as to who replaced who?

As for Ranson's claim... for the most part it'll do. Part of me feels it's BS, mainly because of another person's possible influence. If he was lying, I'd be fairly certain who's on his camp too. So I don't know.

After seeing the new alignment, I have my doubts on Ranson as well (was all set to believe him, too).

And wow, a suicide bomber... :eek:

vote: Ranson

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

pragepride: 1 (Jman2k3)
Ranson: 5 (djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, michgcs)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[Jman2k3]

After seeing the new alignment, I have my doubts on Ranson as well (was all set to believe him, too).
vote: Ranson

This.

vote: Ranson

[Jman2k3]

Change vote: Ranson

[Dragonmack]

Well with the threat dealt with, back to Ranson

Vote: Ranson

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 7 (djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, michgcs, Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Wallbanger: 1 (praguepride)

[SmartBomb]

waitwaitwaitwaitwait.

/stares

If there's a Beloved Princess in the game, how do we elect people? Do we hold the spot vacant if someone dies in the first night phase? I... hmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

[SmartBomb]

And we've got twelve hours left. I want to hear from Banger, prague and dj.

[cappyboy]

waitwaitwaitwaitwait.

/stares

If there's a Beloved Princess in the game, how do we elect people? Do we hold the spot vacant if someone dies in the first night phase? I... hmmm.

Hmmmmmmmmm.

A very good question. Would it even be wise to have one? I'm not sure it would because of just this question. My guess is that we wouldn't be able to elect anyone until the anarchy of the second night phase was over.

[Ranson]

MD4


There was arguing going back and forth, potential suspects were popping up all over the place. One person in particular had heard enough. He had been waiting for his moment of glory for such a long time and now the time was finally upon him.


He ran down the street screaming like a mad man, which was appropriate. He tackled Comradebot to the ground and screamed "FOR DAYORDRA!" before pressing a button his chest. A small alarm sounds and the man and his victim explode before everyone's eyes.


Comradebot is dead. He was Llur Digth, Brotherhood Aligned Father
mjdgoldeneye is dead. He was Dodsrod Llesing, Dayordra Aligned Militant

O_O

Okay, totally wasn't expecting a suicide bomber.

Doesn't change much for me, though, other than lowering the number of votes required.

And now I'm torn. I've revealed all I'm going to, but voring is a bind. If I vote for other potential scum, I'm distracting people from myself. If I don't vote for scum, I'm trying to stall and get questioned as to why I didn't.

Sigh.

I guess I'll drag my creaky butt down to the ballot box and punch a straight ticket to

Vote: Wallbanger

[Ranson]

O_O

Okay, totally wasn't expecting a suicide bomber.

Doesn't change much for me, though, other than lowering the number of votes required.

And now I'm torn. I've revealed all I'm going to, but voting, I say, VOTING is a bind. If I vote for other potential scum, I'm distracting people from myself. If I don't vote for scum, I'm trying to stall and get questioned as to why I didn't.

Sigh.

I guess I'll drag my creaky butt down to the ballot box and punch a straight ticket to



Still can't type, either.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 7 (djthefunckchris, mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, michgcs, Jman2k3, Dragonmack)
Wallbanger: 2 (praguepride, Ranson)

[cappyboy]

Still can't type, either.

Really the least of your problems. Can you at least confirm or deny that you mean to suggest that you are this game's Beloved Princess?

[Ranson]

I confirm the claim.

[djthefunkchris]

Changevote: No Vote

I don't want to lose a day phase with no evidence.

Interested to see what Wallbanger has to say though. Good job MJD, although I don't know if I would have used that so soon. There has to be a reason your character was made, considering the mods. Good job anyways, looks to me like you got scum/cult.

[cappyboy]

Interested to see what Wallbanger has to say though.

You'll get no argument here. I look very much forward to his thoughts.

Good job MJD, although I don't know if I would have used that so soon. There has to be a reason your character was made, considering the mods. Good job anyways, looks to me like you got scum/cult.

Tend to agree about the timing. But then it would have talking us longer to hear about The Brotherhood. So I certainly fault him either. And I would venture to guess he got cult. The Apostasy would be the scum. They are in the game title after all.

[praguepride]

Alright, here's the deal. I'm in shock and awe that people are still bringing this up as I keep answering the same question over and over again.

I was given no notification that I was roleblocked, so either:

A) Wallbanger is lying
B) My ability can't be roleblocked.

So, 'Banger is claiming PC Geek, a pretty common scum role to get, especially as I already basically counter-claimed geek N3 when I got my info.

Personally, I view 'Banger as being scum. If he was on a scum team, wouldn't be hard for him to know that I got roleblocked.

Has he given out any other information he's gathered? If so I missed it...


And as I have said repeatedly because of the automatic nature of my role, it's entirely possible I can't be roleblocked, because I don't send in a nightly PM. On my part I'm passive. I sit back and the mods drop me info.

[mjdgoldeneye]

:cool:

Carry on, brothers.

[SmartBomb]

Alright, here's the deal. I'm in shock and awe that people are still bringing this up as I keep answering the same question over and over again.

I was given no notification that I was roleblocked, so either:

A) Wallbanger is lying
B) My ability can't be roleblocked.

So, 'Banger is claiming PC Geek, a pretty common scum role to get, especially as I already basically counter-claimed geek N3 when I got my info.

Personally, I view 'Banger as being scum. If he was on a scum team, wouldn't be hard for him to know that I got roleblocked.

Has he given out any other information he's gathered? If so I missed it...


And as I have said repeatedly because of the automatic nature of my role, it's entirely possible I can't be roleblocked, because I don't send in a nightly PM. On my part I'm passive. I sit back and the mods drop me info.

Wallbanger's a watcher variant. He watches what happens to his target, similar to Anti's in Nekodius.

And his other info? TheKenwyne N1, nothing happened. I... really don't think that's a good first night target. You've got someone who hasn't made a single post on Day 1, multiple posts in VG2, what do you expect people to do to him? Protect? Kill? Only people that would visit an inactive would be investigators/investigator type roles.

And I have something in my PM that leads me to believe you can be blocked.

So, just waiting to see what Wallbanger turned up last night.

[praguepride]

/nod. Sounds like a lie to me.


I'm curious what you can do to block me? You my deputy? Assistant Keeper of the Dead? You steal some bodies or something ;)

[Jman2k3]

Alright, here's the deal. I'm in shock and awe that people are still bringing this up as I keep answering the same question over and over again.

I was given no notification that I was roleblocked, so either:

A) Wallbanger is lying
B) My ability can't be roleblocked.

A) Maybe he is, maybe he's not.

B) No role is unblockable no matter how powerful it is.

[Jman2k3]

And as I have said repeatedly because of the automatic nature of my role, it's entirely possible I can't be roleblocked, because I don't send in a nightly PM. On my part I'm passive. I sit back and the mods drop me info.

Since you automatically get info, what have you gotten so far? I mean with six dead bodies you must have something useful.

[Wallbanger]

Wallbanger's a watcher variant. He watches what happens to his target, similar to Anti's in Nekodius.

And his other info? TheKenwyne N1, nothing happened. I... really don't think that's a good first night target. You've got someone who hasn't made a single post on Day 1, multiple posts in VG2, what do you expect people to do to him? Protect? Kill? Only people that would visit an inactive would be investigators/investigator type roles.

And I have something in my PM that leads me to believe you can be blocked.

So, just waiting to see what Wallbanger turned up last night.

I consider Ken underrated, to be honest. Was scum with him in Nekodius and have seen him be active in other games. I also tend to be contrarian with targets - when I have direct abilities I will go where I think others won't, especially early when there's no other info to base decisions on. The 'popular kids' will get looked into regardless, so I tend to eschew them so as not to double up on things. The fact that Ken was quiet Day 1 piqued my interest - he usually at least checks in. Didn't realize he was going to be replaced, honestly.

When PP changed his story about his role, then went to elaborate lengths to preemptively explain away things that could be problematic if called on, I looked into him. He knows he got roleblocked, but he had to say something so he went with "I got something but for the good of Dayordra I won't say what it is". Easiest way to prove he wasn't roleblocked is to give up his result. Of course, given what he claims his role is he could make up anything -- "Grunt lays golden eggs every other night" or something similar -- it can't be corroborated anyway.

I targeted cappy last night. Apparently another observed him as well (and that was the word used in my result - which I interpret to be 'watched' or 'tracked' - I think if he would have been investigated I would have got that, since I got 'roleblocked' for PP N2).

[eayragt]

Well done mjd. I will point out that your ability probably wasn't the best for a council member, but nonetheless well done. Now, I was expecting you ability to end the phase, so I didn't post what I was going to last night. Apologies for that, but we've still got 12 hours to go.

Wallbanger is scum. I previously thought he was scum purely by reading him. Since this day phase he has proved emphatically to me that he is scum - this is gone beyond me just thinking he's scum, beyond a personal crusade. Wallbanger speaks a good game to try and justify actions, but he's just been digging himself a deeper hole.

More to come, didn't want to do a tl;dr post.

And Change Vote: Wallbanger

[eayragt]

I shall produce the circumstantial evidence first:

Day 1

Suggested that he would support Destiny on the council - but no by voting. Suggested he'd like to see him there. Only voted hours later when no-one else did.

a) This was against the normal way of supporting someone of voting immediately
b) Wallbanger can say what he wants, but at that point Destiny was probably not a good choice for council... unless you were scum. And with one scum member already on board (Paws) why risk putting more on, as link too many people together and scum fall down too quickly.

Circumstantial

Day 2

Two scum on the block. Scum need split vote. Wallbanger doesn't come on. Claims real life TM.

Circumstantial

Day 3

Appears to defend himself. Tries to bad cop me into backing off my reasoning (something he did successfully in Medical Mafia). Nods a few time. Didn't vote on the lynch. Of scum.

Circumstantial

Day 4

Claims the following results:

N1 No-one targetted TheKenwyne
N2 praguepride was roleblocked
N3 cappyboy was observed

Night 1 result on one of the most likely players to not be targetted, who had also been replaced
Night 2... we'll get back to that
Night 3 result so vague that watchers, trackers, investigaotrs, protectors and more would probably think "maybe that was me"

So, in a role that should be quite easily able to prove himself, his Night 1 & 3 results are meaningless.

Circumstantial

So what about Night 2?

Find out more, on the next episode of Wallbanger is scum...

[eayragt]

So, we get Night 2. Instant alarm bells should be going off because the most logical way to know that someone as been roleblocked is because you know what the scum roleblocker as up to that night. But praguepride claimed not to have been roleblocked why?

(also, praguepride, sorry for voting on you yesterday. Tryin subtleness but it seems that's no more effective than me shouting at no-one)

Suggestions to explain what's going on:

A) praguepride is lying about getting results
B) Wallbanger is lying about praguepride being roleblocked
C) praguepride did get roleblocked, but his ability cannot be blocked

There's another suggestion. It's kind of likek B, but instead of Wallbanger lying it's about Wallbanger being mistaken. A mistake he could only make if he was aligned with the scum roleblocker (or the scum roleblocker).

The scum roleblocker did target praguepride on Night 2. However, the roleblocker never reached his / her target.

Simple, huh? And that is what happened. Therefore praguepride was not roleblocked, but scum thought that he was, and was making up results (helped by the fact that pp's results could have been made up by anyone). It would be impossible for anyone to get a result that praguepride was roleblocked on Night 2, because he wasn't.

Wallbanger came up with this result. He thought he was being truthful, as he knew praguepride was targetted for a roleblock. He was mistaken.

He is scum.

Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, the decision of this man's fate is now in your hands. Don't mis this opportunity to take this man down the path of justice. Do not let Dodsrod Llesing's deth be in vain. Stand up now and take action.

So resteth the case for the prosecution.

[SmartBomb]

I consider Ken underrated, to be honest. Was scum with him in Nekodius and have seen him be active in other games. I also tend to be contrarian with targets - when I have direct abilities I will go where I think others won't, especially early when there's no other info to base decisions on. The 'popular kids' will get looked into regardless, so I tend to eschew them so as not to double up on things. The fact that Ken was quiet Day 1 piqued my interest - he usually at least checks in. Didn't realize he was going to be replaced, honestly.

When PP changed his story about his role, then went to elaborate lengths to preemptively explain away things that could be problematic if called on, I looked into him. He knows he got roleblocked, but he had to say something so he went with "I got something but for the good of Dayordra I won't say what it is". Easiest way to prove he wasn't roleblocked is to give up his result. Of course, given what he claims his role is he could make up anything -- "Grunt lays golden eggs every other night" or something similar -- it can't be corroborated anyway.

I targeted cappy last night. Apparently another observed him as well (and that was the word used in my result - which I interpret to be 'watched' or 'tracked' - I think if he would have been investigated I would have got that, since I got 'roleblocked' for PP N2).

The point of 'being underrated' is that no-one targets the underrated player. You could target everyone else and most likely get a non-investigative result. Except, of course, for djthefunkchris, the other inactive.

The point of a watcher, even one modified like yours, is to find out who targeted who. Some roles, like investigators, trackers, roleblockers, they can go off on their own. They don't need to target the important people. Protectors and watchers have to go with the flow, because nine times out of ten the scum and other players end up targeting the important targets.

Maybe, sometime in the future, more people will move away from the important targets and watchers and protectors will move accordingly. Nekodius, for example, was where myself, Zeel1, The Two, Jaded were taken out in the first two nights. However, that future is a while coming.

Take W&S, for example. I sat through the whole game as a PWO and barely got targeted. I was watching MH, and he never got targeted. However, people like yourself, mjd, Zeel, gonvick, Anti were getting targeted.

What I'm trying to point out here is that you watched TheKenwyne... to find investigating powers. What's the point? If someone found something, they're going to announce it in-thread immediately, not save it for later. If you're using it the other way to try to trip up scum for potential later fakeclaims... but you weren't. Your reasoning was that "TheKenwyne never gets targeted, so to not double up, I'm going to watch him."

You see the problem with that reasoning?

Destiny, Dmack, did you guys target cappy? TBH, why "observed"? You got roleblockers, why not investigated, watched, tracked?

Also, /grins.



So resteth the case for the prosecution.

I feel worried that you're trying to split the vote.

Vote: Ranson

Change Vote: Ranson

[eayragt]

I feel worried that you're trying to split the vote.

Vote: Ranson

Change Vote: Ranson

Well, given that I know that Wallbanger was wrong, and know that the reason for it is because he was scum, and I know that Ranson has voted on Wallbanger in two different day phases, I'm confident that Ranson is not aligned with Wallbanger.

Therefore I am anti a Ranson vote. He may not be town (although I believe he is), but he's almost certainly not aligned with Wallbanger. Who is scum.

I need to work on my ability to get people to follow me don't I? People like derek can just suggest something and will ge instantly followed. Me, not so much.

[SmartBomb]

/nod. Sounds like a lie to me.


I'm curious what you can do to block me? You my deputy? Assistant Keeper of the Dead? You steal some bodies or something ;)

Actually, yes.

I'm Jim Palmer, Dayordran Aligned Assistant Keeper Of The Dead. How did you know? :eek:

predit @ eayragt: Fact is, there's less than twelve hours left in the phase. I don't know how likely it is that we can get a majority on another person today.

It's more of a timing issue than anything, tbh.

[SmartBomb]

Oh jesus christ I got my jokeclaim wrong.

Watch me get lynched.

/facepalm

[eayragt]

predit @ eayragt: Fact is, there's less than twelve hours left in the phase. I don't know how likely it is that we can get a majority on another person today.

It's more of a timing issue than anything, tbh.

That was down to me thinking that mjd's actions were going to end the phase, so sorry about that. I was going to do this last night until he went all "Dayordra" on us. Then I as gone by the midday write-up.

[Wallbanger]

So eay, you're saying that there was no roleblock N2?

Because I see something in the writeup that looks like one to me.

Now the way I read it, it looks like a scum roleblocker, which I'm sure you'll use to suggest that I must be associated with the scum roleblocker.

Oh, wait. You're saying no roleblock took place.

Which is it? See, you're saying I must have known that PP was targeted because I, or someone I'm linked to, targeted him. But if there's no apparent roleblock in the writeup, and PP comes clean with a result, there's no basis to make that statement if you're presuming I'm lying.

But there IS what looks like a roleblock in the writeup. And PP HAS NOT revealed his N2 result (because HE DOESN'T HAVE ONE).

So you're now making a statement that has no corroboration whatsoever. Perhaps you 'know' this through your own ability. But right now you're as credible as PP in that regard -- well, that's not fair; you haven't said squat about what you do, while PP has made two different claims and is passive and unblockable and explained how anything that looks like he's lying is just part of the role. Which, it seems, few are buying. So you're now trying to give him another out.

You keep saying what you KNOW. Yet you produce nothing to corroborate it.

PP is lying about getting a result N2. I do, in fact, KNOW this. And now, you seem to be asserting that he did in fact get a result, which I'm finding unlikely. What I AM finding likely is that you're trying to cover for him, as he's kind of stepped in it. Which is an interesting link to make, especially now that we know there's culties about.

[eayragt]

So eay, you're saying that there was no roleblock N2?

No, I'm saying praguepride wasn't roleblocked. Fact. :D

Can I ask how you know that praguepride got no result? After all, even if you know he was roleblocked (which he wasn't), that wouldn't mean that he wasn't getting results, unless you know exactly how his role works and whether it's affected by roleblocks?

And how would you know that with your ability?

Wait, you wouldn't?

:cool:

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 7 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, michgcs, Jman2k3, Dragonmack, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 3 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt)

[Wallbanger]

No, I'm saying praguepride wasn't roleblocked. Fact. :D

Can I ask how you know that praguepride got no result? After all, even if you know he was roleblocked (which he wasn't), that wouldn't mean that he wasn't getting results, unless you know exactly how his role works and whether it's affected by roleblocks?

And how would you know that with your ability?

Wait, you wouldn't?

:cool:

Don't believe you. You're pulling stuff out of you ass.

I don't have to know how PP's role works. Heck, PP doesn't know how PP's role works, given what he's said.

You're spinning.

I have an ability-based result that says PP was roleblocked. We've yet to hear you say "But I did this and because of that you can't be right."

So I turn the question back on you. How do you KNOW PP got a result? All you have is his word. And his word has changed over the course of the game.

And didn't you know? The cool smiley is a scum tell. ;)

[eayragt]

Never said I knew that pp got a result. No way I'd know that. Doesn't mean that I know he wasn't roleblocked.

If someone's who town needs to know exactly how I know then I can explain my ability further. I'm not going to reveal everything purely because someone who I know is scum is asking.

Although I've only just realised that you may be so convinced that I'm 'pulling results out of my ass' because you still believe that your scum roleblock went through as planned. Sorry, it didn't :cool:

[d_w_w]

There is one obvious explanation for how eayragt would know that PP was not roleblocked on N2 based on the N2 write-up.

If I'm right, then 'Banger is scum.

My main concerns then, are, given that the phase is coming toward an end...

1. Do we have enough time to get a bandwagon going on someone not named Ransom?

2. If not, is it worth having eayragt explicitly state what I think he's trying to state subtly.

Hmm. Wish more folks were on.

[d_w_w]

There is one obvious explanation for how eayragt would know that PP was not roleblocked on N2 based on the N2 write-up.

If I'm right, then 'Banger is scum.

My main concerns then, are, given that the phase is coming toward an end...

1. Do we have enough time to get a bandwagon going on someone not named Ransom?

2. If not, is it worth having eayragt explicitly state what I think he's trying to state subtly.

Hmm. Wish more folks were on.

Actually, that doesn't follow 100%.

Crud.

[michgcs]

There is one obvious explanation for how eayragt would know that PP was not roleblocked on N2 based on the N2 write-up.

If I'm right, then 'Banger is scum.

My main concerns then, are, given that the phase is coming toward an end...

1. Do we have enough time to get a bandwagon going on someone not named Ransom?

2. If not, is it worth having eayragt explicitly state what I think he's trying to state subtly.

Hmm. Wish more folks were on.

I'm willing to move my vote, but I still have my reservations at the moment.

[d_w_w]

Though it would heavily imply that 'Banger has not been 100% truthful.

Guess I'm gonna just keep posting by myself until folks wake up.

[michgcs]

Actually, that doesn't follow 100%.

Crud.

what do you mean?

[d_w_w]

what do you mean?

He could have some weird role where he gets what was intended to be done to folks, regardless of whether it was or was not completed.

[michgcs]

He could have some weird role where he gets what was intended to be done to folks, regardless of whether it was or was not completed.

I see. Is there any chance that 'Banger's telling the truth, and eayragt is scum and messing with us?

[d_w_w]

I see. Is there any chance that 'Banger's telling the truth, and eayragt is scum and messing with us?

Yes, but only if eayragt is not claiming the spot in the N2 write-up that I think he's claiming.

[michgcs]

Yes, but only if eayragt is not claiming the spot in the N2 write-up that I think he's claiming.

I notice that you have yet to drop a vote.

As an aside, any thoughts on Ranson claiming what he did?

[eayragt]

Yes, but only if eayragt is not claiming the spot in the N2 write-up that I think he's claiming.

I am claiming that spot. As my life may be somewhat compromised if the lynch goes through on Banger anyway, lets be clear. I targeted pp on Night 2. So did two others. Only one of us was successful :cool:

Ranson has regularly voted for Wallbanger. I doubt they are aligned.

[d_w_w]

I notice that you have yet to drop a vote.

As an aside, any thoughts on Ranson claiming what he did?

Honestly, I'd prefer to vote on 'Banger. I'm worried that we may not have enough time/people to switch over and I don't want to be responsible for splitting the vote.

So, right now, trying to get folks to re-read N2, to see if they see what I think I see, and get a sense of it's possible to make this happen at the end of the phase.

Regarding Ranson - I actually posted about this already, right after he claimed. I know I started that bandwagon and jumped off to push C-Bot, but I'd be willing to finish what I started.

We're doing well, so the cost of a mislynch, even the mislynch of that role, isn't terribly scary. If push comes to shove, I'll drop my vote on him. I think I'd rather just lynch 'Banger.

[d_w_w]

Ok. I'm sorry if I was too forward with things eayragt, but I wanted you to confirm that scene.

Vote: Wallbanger

[eayragt]

Ok. I'm sorry if I was too forward with things eayragt, but I wanted you to confirm that scene.

Vote: Wallbanger

That's all right - I've known that my survival has been linked with 'Banger's for a while. Either people believed me and he got lynched, or he was kept alive and people thought I was scum, meaning I would be an unlikely night target. The moment he was lynched is move into the "likely town" category, and am a good target for a night kill.

As long as we lynch 'Banger now, my job is done.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 7 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, michgcs, Jman2k3, Dragonmack, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 4 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w)

[michgcs]

We're doing well, so the cost of a mislynch, even the mislynch of that role, isn't terribly scary. If push comes to shove, I'll drop my vote on him. I think I'd rather just lynch 'Banger.

In accordance with this line of thought,

Change Vote: Wallbanger

Think of it as a sign of good faith, I guess.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 6 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, Jman2k3, Dragonmack, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 5 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w, michgcs)

[Tha Black Phenom]

I just want one of them fellas to be lynched, as it could answer so much. I'm gonna nap and read up later, but skimming through, and not necessarily related to the eay/Banger confrontation, I feel a Banger lynch will give more answers.

Vote: Wallbanger

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 6 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, Jman2k3, Dragonmack, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 6 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom)

[Dragonmack]

Ok, caught up after all the activity.

As I understand it, Wallbangers defense is that Praguepride was roleblocked on N2 and points to the roleblock in the notes.

Sorry Banger, that just tightened the noose for you.

Paws was the one roleblocked N2, not Prague.

Change Vote: Wallbanger

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 5 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, cappyboy, Jman2k3, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 7 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, Dragonmack)

[cappyboy]

I've been trying to put together a post that that gives my my thoughts and drops another clever little hint about who I am but nothing's coming together. Maybe if you would all let me cast my ballot with a quill and parchment. :rolleyes:

The essential point is the clarity we gain is too valuable even should it be a mis.

Change Vote: Wallbanger

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 4 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, Jman2k3, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 8 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, Dragonmack, cappyboy)

[gonvick]

I also tend to be contrarian with targets - when I have direct abilities I will go where I think others won't, especially early when there's no other info to base decisions on. The 'popular kids' will get looked into regardless, so I tend to eschew them so as not to double up on things.

Isn't the role you're claiming basically designed for doubling up?

Vote: Wallbanger

I don't see why you would get a result in that situation, so it seems unlikely that you did.

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 4 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, Jman2k3, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 9 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, Dragonmack, cappyboy, gonvick)

[masterded]

Vote: Wallbanger

[i effin rule]

It is D4, you have until 3:00pm on Saturday, February 12th to reach a majority of 10 votes for a lynch.

Ranson: 4 (mjdgoldeneye, Destiny, Jman2k3, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 10 (praguepride, Ranson, eayragt, d_w_w, michgcs, Tha Black Phenom, Dragonmack, cappyboy, gonvick, masterded)

[i effin rule]

D4


It had been a rather interesting day for the citizens of Dayordra. Many were still recovering from seeing one of their own detonate himself in an effort to save the planet he loved. Though the results were vague and many wondered if he had done more harm to Dayordra than actually help.


Others, however, were determined to make something of this session. The debate between two individuals raged on and eventually the citizens picked a side and Wallbanger was sentenced to death for his treason.


Just as he was being taken away a group of men approached another. The men grabbed and proceeded to escort Ranson away.


Wallbanger is dead. He was Menelaus, The Apostasy Aligned Master of Intimidation
Ranson has been taken away.

[i effin rule]

It is now N4, you have until 12:30pm EST on Sunday, February 13th to send abilities in to both IER and Rev.

[eayragt]

Hopefully people don't think I'm mad anymore.

[d_w_w]

It is now N4, you have until 12:30pm EST on Sunday, February 13th to send abilities in to bother IER and Rev.

You tryin' to say something? ;)

[d_w_w]

Hopefully people don't think I'm mad anymore.

It was a good play. I just wish I was on my toes and didn't have to have it broke down part by part for me to make sense of it.

Quick Q: what do you make of C-Bot's alignment?

[moon_lit_tears]

You tryin' to say something? ;)

Hahahahahaha

/dies

[d_w_w]

You tryin' to say something? ;)

Fail.

I was supposed to bold bother and unbold the rest.

[cappyboy]

That should clear up a lot. Looks like the Apostasy underestimated who they were dealing with. And it looks like Ranson won't be mooching any more of my stuff for a while. Maybe I can bring the Maragaret Whiting records out of hiding now. Should be another quiet night for me.

[eayragt]

It was a good play. I just wish I was on my toes and didn't have to have it broke down part by part for me to make sense of it.

Quick Q: what do you make of C-Bot's alignment?

Looks like a Cult Leader. Although there's nothing that screams recruitment in the writeups, there are several bits that could be read as such if you were really looking that way.

There is another way of reading it where he could be good. In which case someone really needs to tell us he was good, because telling us later will look mighty scummy.

But no serial killer, no cult, one scum group, 25 players? If that's the case that's one big scum group.

[cappyboy]

Looks like a Cult Leader. Although there's nothing that screams recruitment in the writeups, there are several bits that could be read as such if you were really looking that way.


Plus that would seem to fit with why Ranson won't be mooching off of me tonight. Him getting led away but not having his character and alignment outed in the graveyard would certainly be consistent with an initiation ritual.

[d_w_w]

Looks like a Cult Leader. Although there's nothing that screams recruitment in the writeups, there are several bits that could be read as such if you were really looking that way.

There is another way of reading it where he could be good. In which case someone really needs to tell us he was good, because telling us later will look mighty scummy.

But no serial killer, no cult, one scum group, 25 players? If that's the case that's one big scum group.

Unfortunately, I'm leaning the same way.

Still, we're off to a good start, just worried that things might get more complicated in the near future.

[eayragt]

Unfortunately, I'm leaning the same way.

Still, we're off to a good start, just worried that things might get more complicated in the near future.

Well, lets just hope that the father was the only one who could recruit, if that's what he was. If that's the case we're still considerably up.

[praguepride]

man, I've got to find time and sit through and re-read this.

I figured Wallbanger was scummy with how much he kept pressuring me over and over again about info on Grunty. I could see him trying to manuever me for a mislynch as well with the whole "roleblock" thing.

/sigh, oh well, at least he was never elected into office...

[Destiny]

It's good to see that we've elected yet another member of the scum team. We're doing fairly well thus far.

[djthefunkchris]

Actually, that doesn't follow 100%.

Crud.

what do you mean?

He could have some weird role where he gets what was intended to be done to folks, regardless of whether it was or was not completed.

I am claiming that spot. As my life may be somewhat compromised if the lynch goes through on Banger anyway, lets be clear. I targeted pp on Night 2. So did two others. Only one of us was successful :cool:

Ranson has regularly voted for Wallbanger. I doubt they are aligned.
As I was reading this I thought of another reason that could have a wrong result. What if eayragt was busdriven, and his target wasn't who he thought it was (or vise versa, Banger driven). Anyways, it doesn't matter, glad I didn't say it before this:)
D4


It had been a rather interesting day for the citizens of Dayordra. Many were still recovering from seeing one of their own detonate himself in an effort to save the planet he loved. Though the results were vague and many wondered if he had done more harm to Dayordra than actually help.


Others, however, were determined to make something of this session. The debate between two individuals raged on and eventually the citizens picked a side and Wallbanger was sentenced to death for his treason.


Just as he was being taken away a group of men approached another. The men grabbed and proceeded to escort Ranson away.


Wallbanger is dead. He was Menelaus, The Apostasy Aligned Master of Intimidation
Ranson has been taken away.

Hopefully people don't think I'm mad anymore.
I don't really understand why Ranson was taken away here. Maybe I missed a page, or maybe the explanation is in the first page and I skipped it. If so, just point me in the right direction, if I didn't miss anything though, anyone want to speculate here?
It's good to see that we've elected yet another member of the scum team. We're doing fairly well thus far.

What?

[MichiganHero]

Destiny, mind explaining your last post?

[Destiny]

Ha, my apologies. I was thinking about council business at the time. I obviously meant "lynched".

[MichiganHero]

Ha, my apologies. I was thinking about council business at the time. I obviously meant "lynched".

So what your saying is that we have scum on the council.
And if this holds to be true, then is that not a mod-kill for talking about council business?

[Destiny]

I'm not saying anything. I made a throw-away comment that it was good to have lynched scum, and accidently typed the word "elected" instead of "lynched".

[michgcs]

Hopefully people don't think I'm mad anymore.

I'm sorry for not believing you sooner :o

Him getting led away but not having his character and alignment outed in the graveyard would certainly be consistent with an initiation ritual.

I guess I can see where that could've been a recruitment. Certainly worth looking into if we have no other leads tomorrow.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Edit: Wires got crossed and I thought this was the VG thread. I am sorry for the random post...

[praguepride]

@DJ: As I interpret it, some townie used an ability to remove Ranson from the game, due to his suspicious links to Paws and altogether scummy-ness.


The downside for this "vig" was that it didn't reveal Ranson's role, so we'll never know if he was actually town or scum.

That's my 2cents anyway.

[cappyboy]

@DJ: As I interpret it, some townie used an ability to remove Ranson from the game, due to his suspicious links to Paws and altogether scummy-ness.


The downside for this "vig" was that it didn't reveal Ranson's role, so we'll never know if he was actually town or scum.

That's my 2cents anyway.

Sure we will. Not, if you are right, that it will come at a time to help us. If nothing else we'll know what role and alignment Ranson had when the post-game breakdown occurs.

[Wallbanger]

Hopefully people don't think I'm mad anymore.

Never thought you were mad, mate -- just thought you were playing the game like everyone else. :)
Go Scum!
/dies

[Imarevenant]

Edit: Wires got crossed and I thought this was the VG thread. I am sorry for the random post...

Damnit! Was all ready to Mod Kill you for editing when I remembered your already in the graveyard. :p

[Jman2k3]

Damnit! Was all ready to Mod Kill you for editing when I remembered your already in the graveyard. :p

A little trigger happy are we???? Lol.

[Destiny]

I likely won't be around for much of the day phase, though will be around until the conclusion of the night phase.

[i effin rule]

Phase is over, working on the write up now.

[i effin rule]

N4

She was up to her tricks again. Another night and another person to make angry.


************************************************** ************


He was sound asleep, no reason for him to be out at this hour. He didn’t realize there was someone meddling around in his room.


************************************************** ************


She sat back in the darkness with her eyes fixed on two people. She couldn’t figure out why they were standing in the middle of the street staring at each other.


************************************************** ************


It was all set up and ready to go. No animals tonight, she figured she would go “old school”. Unfortunately she didn’t realize that she was being hunted. As she put the finishing touches on her contraption she felt a gun pressed to the back of her head. The room was silent, no one heard the shot. The only sound was Dragonmack’s body falling to the ground.


************************************************** ************


They awoke again with disappointment. Yet another night they find a member of their council dead. Back to the drawing board.


Dragonmack is dead. He was Rhahmund Lontund, Dayordra Aligned Prankster
Ranson has returned.

[i effin rule]

It is D5, you have until 1:00pm EST on Tuesday, February 15th to reach a majority of 9 votes. You will also be electing new officials during this time.

[eayragt]

Lets hold off on the questions for Ranson until he gets to say if he knows what happened.

@gonvick - in this write-up?

@everyone - Cult? Discuss.

If anyone saw Comradebot up to anything this game, it'd also be good to share.

[eayragt]

Oh, and my possible explanation for there not being a Cult just died and disproved my theory.

[i effin rule]

All PM's should be out, if you didn't get one and expected to, let us know.

[Prophet]

Interesting. Ranson disappears for the night, only to return the following day? Less inclined to think "cult" now, and more inclined to think restraint. A better safe than sorry approach. That said, I can't totally discount it, due to earlier events of the previous day phase.

And, since we lost another official, I'm gonna go official this time.

Elect: Prophet

Vote for me! *all Mayor Quimby like*

And in the interest of full disclosure, since I alluded to my role being one fit for the council. Dal Schodd, Dayordra Aligned Former Government Official. No funny speeches, no cutesy sayings, just blatant honesty.

I'm gonna need to go back through, see if anything sticks out, before I put a voice to the other side of things.

[gonvick]

Lets hold off on the questions for Ranson until he gets to say if he knows what happened.

@gonvick - in this write-up?

@everyone - Cult? Discuss.

If anyone saw Comradebot up to anything this game, it'd also be good to share.

I believe so.

[cappyboy]

Interesting. Ranson disappears for the night, only to return the following day? Less inclined to think "cult" now, and more inclined to think restraint. A better safe than sorry approach. That said, I can't totally discount it, due to earlier events of the previous day phase.


Man, then we are totally at different ends of the spectrum on this one. There's been no indication of a jailer type that I've seen to suggest that someone could be restrained that way. I suppose it's possible but I find it more likely to be cult initation related. There's much stronger evidence that one of them is around than a jailer.

[djthefunkchris]

I'd like to here from Ranson to, before too much speculation is made on that.

[i effin rule]

It is D5, you have until 1:00pm EST on Tuesday, February 15th to reach a majority of 9 votes. You will also be electing new officials during this time.

Lynch



Election

Prophet: 1 (Prophet)

[djthefunkchris]

You know, I wouldn't mind offering myself up as an official, but it seems like they drop very quickly... Like, what's up with that?

[cappyboy]

You know, I wouldn't mind offering myself up as an official, but it seems like they drop very quickly... Like, what's up with that?

It's a simple matter really. They are natural targets because having to elect new membership every time divides our attention. If the council all lives, we're able to focus on lynching potential threats. If it doesn't, the group gets dissolved and we have to expend mental energy putting a new one in place as well as weighing possible lynches. That division of attention is of great benefit to the Apostasy and quite possible The Brotherhood as well. That's one of the reasons I will not accept nomination to the council. I don't want the bullseye on my back that comes with it.

[djthefunkchris]

It's a simple matter really. They are natural targets because having to elect new membership every time divides our attention. If the council all lives, we're able to focus on lynching potential threats. If it doesn't, the group gets dissolved and we have to expend mental energy putting a new one in place as well as weighing possible lynches. That division of attention is of great benefit to the Apostasy and quite possible The Brotherhood as well. That's one of the reasons I will not accept nomination to the council. I don't want the bullseye on my back that comes with it.

Hmm... So by that logic, they will kill all officials, unless of course one of them are an official.

I take it we have no protector's at all, that would actually want to protect our officials?

[masterded]

Elect: eayragt

I wanted him elected last time and after the last day phase I want him elected this time even more.

[i effin rule]

It is D5, you have until 1:00pm EST on Tuesday, February 15th to reach a majority of 9 votes. You will also be electing new officials during this time.

Lynch



Election

Prophet: 1 (Prophet)
eayragt: 1 (masterded)

[Ranson]

I can't tell you what happened to me on the night phase, as I frankly don't know. One minute, I wandering around, watching the whippersnappers dismantle the gibbet on my lawn, the next, BAM! Following day. Might've stroked out a little there.

On the theory that a little brain damage puts me in a perfect place to be a government official,

Elect: Ranson

[cappyboy]

Hmm... So by that logic, they will kill all officials, unless of course one of them are an official.

I take it we have no protector's at all, that would actually want to protect our officials?

Not necessarily. But I do imagine it would be a safety net play for the scum. Only takes being eliminated to create the chaos of a new election. And who's to say our protectors haven't been out protecting the council? Nights 1 and 3 were both pretty quiet. That could in part have been due to protectors protecting.

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=cappyboy;1424538]Only takes being eliminated to create the chaos of a new election. QUOTE]

Only takes ONE being eliminated to create the chaos of a new election.

Goldern arthritic fingers.

[gonvick]

Man, then we are totally at different ends of the spectrum on this one. There's been no indication of a jailer type that I've seen to suggest that someone could be restrained that way. I suppose it's possible but I find it more likely to be cult initation related. There's much stronger evidence that one of them is around than a jailer.

Normally I'd argue that having the players name specifically stated like that would indicate that it wasn't a cult recruitment, as once the mechanic was figured out it becomes obvious who you have recruited. But I think I recall one of the Star Wars games handling recruitment in a similar fashion, so it might just be a preferred balancing mechanism that could be employed here.

But I find Ranson to be an odd choice for a cult recruitment, so that seems less likely to me. He was already suspicious, so there's the risk of being lynched. His claim makes him a priority target for scum, so there's a good chance his death reveals the cult. I'm just not seeing an upside for a cult to use a recruitment on him. Especially since it hasn't happened to anyone else, and there are certainly better targets out there.

[Ranson]

I would surmise it was a form of protection to prevent scum from killing me and triggering the "day of mourning".

But that's just me.

[eayragt]

I would surmise it was a form of protection to prevent scum from killing me and triggering the "day of mourning".

But that's just me.

The puzzling thing is that it was done by a group of men, not by a man. Otherwise I would be quite happy with that explanation

But I find Ranson to be an odd choice for a cult recruitment, so that seems less likely to me. He was already suspicious, so there's the risk of being lynched. His claim makes him a priority target for scum, so there's a good chance his death reveals the cult. I'm just not seeing an upside for a cult to use a recruitment on him. Especially since it hasn't happened to anyone else, and there are certainly better targets out there.

The con is that he could die from either lynch or scum kill relatively quickly. The pro is that if either of those happened (and he's telling the truth) we'd have a day of mourning, and the best type of day for a Cult is a day spent in mourning allowing them to... replenish at night.

[djthefunkchris]

I can't tell you what happened to me on the night phase, as I frankly don't know. One minute, I wandering around, watching the whippersnappers dismantle the gibbet on my lawn, the next, BAM! Following day. Might've stroked out a little there.

On the theory that a little brain damage puts me in a perfect place to be a government official,

Elect: Ranson

You have my vote:)

Vote: Ranson

[cappyboy]

Normally I'd argue that having the players name specifically stated like that would indicate that it wasn't a cult recruitment, as once the mechanic was figured out it becomes obvious who you have recruited. But I think I recall one of the Star Wars games handling recruitment in a similar fashion, so it might just be a preferred balancing mechanism that could be employed here.

But I find Ranson to be an odd choice for a cult recruitment, so that seems less likely to me. He was already suspicious, so there's the risk of being lynched. His claim makes him a priority target for scum, so there's a good chance his death reveals the cult. I'm just not seeing an upside for a cult to use a recruitment on him. Especially since it hasn't happened to anyone else, and there are certainly better targets out there.

And you could be right. I'm not married to the idea he was recruited into the cult. Just seems more likely to me than a jailing. Rather heavy handed for that kind of action. I would think there'd only be the one loner jailer in that circumstance.

[Destiny]

Obviously I'll firstly Elect: Destiny. Also, cappyboy came up as a threat. Thank me later.

[djthefunkchris]

Obviously I'll firstly Elect: Destiny. Also, cappyboy came up as a threat. Thank me later.

Interesting indeed.

Cappyboy, any idea why that would happen?

[cappyboy]

Obviously I'll firstly Elect: Destiny. Also, cappyboy came up as a threat. Thank me later.

Not bloody likely.

[cappyboy]

Interesting indeed.

Cappyboy, any idea why that would happen?

None in the least. I'm so far in the other direction the notion is absurd. I had another player in mind for my ballot. But this lie by Destiny just screams out for a change in plans.

Vote: Destiny

The only surprising thing here is that it's taken this long for scum to try and drag my name through the mud. They certainly have good reason to.

[eayragt]

None in the least. I'm so far in the other direction the notion is absurd. I had another player in mind for my ballot. But this lie by Destiny just screams out for a change in plans.

Vote: Destiny

The only surprising thing here is that it's taken this long for scum to try and drag my name through the mud. They certainly have good reason to.

I'll be honest - I don't get the investigators, although the presence of a Cult helps explain it.

But scum aren't in a position to set someone up so blatantly.

There's also my other theory that scum could have targetted Ranson to make him look bad. If so, cappy was the voice for this.

Vote: cappyboy

And Elect: Tha Black Phenom

[djthefunkchris]

I'll be honest - I don't get the investigators, although the presence of a Cult helps explain it.

But scum aren't in a position to set someone up so blatantly.

There's also my other theory that scum could have targetted Ranson to make him look bad. If so, cappy was the voice for this.

Vote: cappyboy

And Elect: Tha Black Phenom

I'd like to point out that it might have been an alternative reason for Wallbanger trying to get Destiny in office as well. I'm going to say I'm up in the air on this one. I need more information, and I really need to know who else Destiny targeted and results. Especially if anyone else knows who Destiny targeted on any given day (don't actually say who, but if your a watcher or tracker and happened to see something.... let's see what happens here).

I've been thinking there is a possibility of Destiny being scum ever since Banger come up scum.

[eayragt]

I'd like to point out that it might have been an alternative reason for Wallbanger trying to get Destiny in office as well. I'm going to say I'm up in the air on this one. I need more information, and I really need to know who else Destiny targeted and results. Especially if anyone else knows who Destiny targeted on any given day (don't actually say who, but if your a watcher or tracker and happened to see something.... let's see what happens here).

I've been thinking there is a possibility of Destiny being scum ever since Banger come up scum.

I agree (and it was one of 'Banger's arguments against me, and the best arguments are always based on the truth). Still don't understand why give us mlt so early - a good ruse, but played out too early.

But if we lynch cappy and he turns up town, we should turn round and lynch Destiny, no questions asked.

I was going to ask Destiny for his other night targets but held back - but I think we're in the position where he needs to give us a full reveal. And after he's done that, it's cappy's turn.

[cappyboy]

I'd like to point out that it might have been an alternative reason for Wallbanger trying to get Destiny in office as well. I'm going to say I'm up in the air on this one. I need more information, and I really need to know who else Destiny targeted and results. Especially if anyone else knows who Destiny targeted on any given day (don't actually say who, but if your a watcher or tracker and happened to see something.... let's see what happens here).


If there's any information I can offer up to help, let me know. I'd hate to have to give up chapter and verse about myself. I doubt the Apostasy would want let me live another night if I do. But I'd do whatever's needed to provide clarity.

[BHK1978]

Okay I shall Elect: eayragt, he did a great job of catching Scum during the last phase.

Vote: cappyboy

I have to believe Destiny's results are on the up and up. After all his results directly led us to Scum. And much like eayragt said, why would Scum make such a bad move as to call you out if you are a member of the town.

So unless you were framed or Destiny's role is naive, there is no way you should come up a threat.

[eayragt]

Change vote: Destiny

A bit of encourgaement to come forward with his other results. As I found out lets not be coy, lay all the cards on the table.

[Ranson]

Just to head off if I get any questions, I'm out until probably 10:00 tonight (barring extreme circumstances), and all day tomorrow until at least 7 PM. I'll answer things if asked, but probably not until then. Meatspace issues, ya know.

[Jman2k3]

Obviously I'll firstly Elect: Destiny. Also, cappyboy came up as a threat. Thank me later.

His scum detecting senses must be tingling.

Vote: cappyboy

Elect: Destiny

[BHK1978]

I have a really hard time trying to understand why Destiny would bus MLT. How does throwing a teammate to the wolves for no reason benefit their team overall?

I would still like to hear from Don Destiny but for right now my vote is sticking on Cappy.

[djthefunkchris]

If there's any information I can offer up to help, let me know. I'd hate to have to give up chapter and verse about myself. I doubt the Apostasy would want let me live another night if I do. But I'd do whatever's needed to provide clarity.
Unless there are more like you, in your predicament, I would give out more. I have to agree that Destiny led us to scum already... I do think there is a possibility that Destiny could be scum.. but it's on the Undertaker level of playstyle moreso then Wallbanger.

In other words, I'm not saying I think your town for sure. I didn't vote on you and mainly because Destiny didn't vote on you, which I found to be odd and had my spider sense tingling. It could be just Destiny being Destiny though.

I do hate it when people say "X" is Scum, and don't leave a vote on them. It's like saying "I know this" but I wouldn't put money on it.
Okay I shall Elect: eayragt, he did a great job of catching Scum during the last phase.

Vote: cappyboy

I have to believe Destiny's results are on the up and up. After all his results directly led us to Scum. And much like eayragt said, why would Scum make such a bad move as to call you out if you are a member of the town.

So unless you were framed or Destiny's role is naive, there is no way you should come up a threat.

Naive would come up always town. It's the other one that he would be.

[eayragt]

Unless there are more like you, in your predicament, I would give out more. I have to agree that Destiny led us to scum already... I do think there is a possibility that Destiny could be scum.. but it's on the Undertaker level of playstyle moreso then Wallbanger.


... of course Undertaker was playing this game around that time, and we don't know his alignment yet.

Jus' sayin'

Still, the most obvious explanations are normally correct.

[BHK1978]

Naive would come up always town. It's the other one that he would be.

You would think I would not confuse them by now, but you are right. Destiny really should give us a list of targets, that might help us clear this up one way or the other.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Oy, slept the whole morning... this is not good. Missed opportunities...

Right now, I'd also believe Destiny over cappy. And sure, presence of a cult but I'm willing to check all possibilities first, and right now ball should be in cappy's court.

Vote: cappyboy

Also, SF, anything to share?

[cappyboy]

So unless you were framed or Destiny's role is naive, there is no way you should come up a threat.

By Jove, Holmes. I think you've got it. I do believe I have been framed. I don't know why I didn't think of that. After all from the moment I read this part of the write-up:

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He was sound asleep, no reason for him to be out at this hour. He didn’t realize there was someone meddling around in his room.


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I took it as being related to me. Remember this reaction post last night phase?

That should clear up a lot. Looks like the Apostasy underestimated who they were dealing with. And it looks like Ranson won't be mooching any more of my stuff for a while. Maybe I can bring the Maragaret Whiting records out of hiding now. Should be another quiet night for me.

With Ranson being taken away, I had no plans to target anybody. There is a player I'd have liked to target. But I'm role limited in who I can and this desired target didn't qualify . So I stayed home and slept and scum planted evidence on me. Which would explain Destiny's faulty result.

[cappyboy]

And as a show of good faith to Destiny:

change vote: no vote

[eayragt]

With Ranson being taken away, I had no plans to target anybody. There is a player I'd have liked to target. But I'm role limited in who I can and this desired target didn't qualify . So I stayed home and slept and scum planted evidence on me. Which would explain Destiny's faulty result.

Just run that one by me again for those that are thick and don't quite understand whether you did or did not try to target someone last night.

And Change Vote: No Vote as I failed to catch Destiny's attention before he left us.

[cappyboy]

Just run that one by me again for those that are thick and don't quite understand whether you did or did not try to target someone last night.


I didn't. I wasn't allowed to the way my role limitation works.

[eayragt]

I didn't. I wasn't allowed to the way my role limitation works.

So you knew that your target didn't qualify before the night phase, so didn't put in a PM?

[cappyboy]

So you knew that your target didn't qualify before the night phase, so didn't put in a PM?

No. It wasn't until night phase fell that I knew for certain my would-be target didn't qualify. And I couldn't bring him up during the day phase because by the time he hit my radar the Banger lynch was well underway and felt more important.

[gonvick]

The con is that he could die from either lynch or scum kill relatively quickly. The pro is that if either of those happened (and he's telling the truth) we'd have a day of mourning, and the best type of day for a Cult is a day spent in mourning allowing them to... replenish at night.

This happened at the end of the day phase, implying a day ability. A daytime recruiting cult would probably rather not have a day skip, I would think.

Even without that, recruiting him doesn't make his death any more likely to happen, scum are still going to want him dead, and his claim is still being questioned. It seems all it would accomplish is revealing the cult alignment. It would be an obviously better play to recruit someone else, particularly someone with an ability that threatens them.

It just seems like the worst possible cult move to me, which makes me think it's something else.

Also, cappyboy came up as a threat. Thank me later.

This is interesting.

[cappyboy]

So you knew that your target didn't qualify before the night phase, so didn't put in a PM?

However, because the Banger lynch was so far along, I did know he wasn't likely to qualify during the day phase.

[gonvick]

By Jove, Holmes. I think you've got it. I do believe I have been framed. I don't know why I didn't think of that. After all from the moment I read this part of the write-up:

Looking back, I'm fairly sure you weren't framed. And I'd like to hear from Destiny about his targets to see what explanations can be ruled out.

[BHK1978]

Until Destiny comes in and helps us clear somethings up, I am going to remove my vote from Cappy.

Change Vote: No Vote

Destiny you could help clear things up a bit one way or the other, if you actually post and not lurk.

[cappyboy]

Looking back, I'm fairly sure you weren't framed.

Well, it wouldn't be the first time scum tried to use me for cover. I don't remember if you'd joined the game yet or not when Banger said this:


I targeted cappy last night. Apparently another observed him as well (and that was the word used in my result - which I interpret to be 'watched' or 'tracked' - I think if he would have been investigated I would have got that, since I got 'roleblocked' for PP N2).

[Tha Black Phenom]

My Achilles heel in this is the aspect of framing. At this stage in the game, can we really look at that as an option?

I would think somewhere among Paws/Jaded/Banger, either the hitman or the don died. Well, pretty much dead-on the case for Jaded. By that we should assume other roles within the group have taken over the mantle for either of those duties. Would it really be likely for them to keep the framer ability around in their arsenal?

I mean sure, Destiny's still alive. You'd just think the framer would be the more expendable ability of the bunch. Cause at this point, there must be what left? The framer and the don? Not ruling this possibility out, but I'm just not sure. Things may be unlikely and very circumstantial, so I could be putting my foot in my mouth, but for now I'm not banking on it.

[eayragt]

Destiny - sometimes you just have to reveal a little more than you want to. I had to during the 'Banger lynch. You really need to now. Otherwise, if cappy was set up by scum so you're both telling the truth, non-cooperation now from you makes it more likely that you'll be mislynched tomorrow. And you can't always blame the town if you're mislynched.

[Prophet]

Man, then we are totally at different ends of the spectrum on this one. There's been no indication of a jailer type that I've seen to suggest that someone could be restrained that way. I suppose it's possible but I find it more likely to be cult initation related. There's much stronger evidence that one of them is around than a jailer.

And I can definitely see that side of it. It strikes me as blatant to be initiated into a cult for all of us to see, though. Whereas restraining someone whose name was bantered as a possible threat fits the scenario better. I will say, though ... the biggest flaw in my theory is the specification of a group, which tends to lean away from my idea, and closer to yours.

I have a really hard time trying to understand why Destiny would bus MLT. How does throwing a teammate to the wolves for no reason benefit their team overall?

I would still like to hear from Don Destiny but for right now my vote is sticking on Cappy.

I have a theory on that. I'm gonna withhold it until Destiny opens up a bit, but right now, I'm not certain which way to lean on this.

[michgcs]

Destiny - sometimes you just have to reveal a little more than you want to. I had to during the 'Banger lynch. You really need to now. Otherwise, if cappy was set up by scum so you're both telling the truth, non-cooperation now from you makes it more likely that you'll be mislynched tomorrow. And you can't always blame the town if you're mislynched.

I think he said just before night ended that he wasn't going to be around for much of the day phase

[BHK1978]

I think he said just before night ended that he wasn't going to be around for much of the day phase

Yes but he is not invisible and he has been on the site all day (or night in his case). I saw him a couple of times in the thread reading, which is making me start to second guess his motives.

[cappyboy]

Yes but he is not invisible and he has been on the site all day (or night in his case). I saw him a couple of times in the thread reading, which is making me start to second guess his motives.

Like maybe he knew my predicament was coming and is seeking to lay low so he can't say anything to ruin it?