Enemies of the Noble: Rise of the Apostasy [Game Thread]

[i effin rule]

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THE OFFICIAL RULES (Read or Die!)

HOW TO PLAY:

ROLES: Every player has been given a role, each with it’s own abilities (or lack thereof). Your role PM will explain what it does if you are meant to know. You do not need to reveal your role to other players nor will we do so in the in-game write ups. Of course, you can choose to reveal information about your role if you wish to if you feel it would help you to reach your win condition. Jut remember that any information you reveal can also be used against you, so claiming is entirely at your own risk. If you want to use your ability, PM the mods of the game (i effin rule ; Imarevenant). You may not post any part of your role PM (or anyone else's role PM you can see) in the game thread except the bit that states “Example Man, Dayordra Aligned Example” or something similar.

PHASES: The game is split into two phases, Day and Night. The game begins during the day phase with all players (Town and Mafia alike) posting in the thread deciding who to lynch. Lynching is the town’s main way of eliminating mafia, so be sure to examine everything that your fellow players say in order to find inconsistencies, lies, dodgy voting patterns and anything else that could incriminate people. There may also be clues in the end of phase write ups, but relying on those is not advised as they may be veiled, misleading or otherwise unreliable. Day phases last approximately 48 hours or until a consensus is reached on who to lynch. Night phases last approximately 24 hours but may end earlier if all night activities are completed. If you have an optional ability and choose not to use it, please inform the mods via PM so that they know not to wait on your ability.

VOTING: All voting and game related discussion is to occur within the game thread. Town players may discuss who they think are Mafia, and Mafia members should be trying to avoid being lynched by bluffing and blending in and generally trying to not get lynched. To vote on anyone, post VOTE: Username (MUST BE IN BOLD!) or to vote for a No Lynch to happen then use VOTE: No Lynch and to vote for no-one you can use VOTE: No Vote. I’ll count any votes that follow that format, though for the ease of everyone playing it would be appreciated that if you change your vote that you use CHANGE VOTE: Username. I won’t count any unbolded votes, anything inside a quote, UNVOTE, or anything where I’m not sure who you are voting on. So as long as the name of the player is clear and the vote is bolded, your vote will count.

DAY PHASES: A Day Phase is over whenever a person obtains votes from more than 50% of the total number of players remaining, at which point they are lynched. It can also end if the time expires before a lynch is reached, at which point a No Lynch will be declared. There are abilities out there that can change votes such as vote manipulators, multi voters and no-voters so vote counts may not always be as they seem. When a person dies their role title will be revealed for all to see in the end of day write up.

NIGHT PHASES: Night Phases begin after a day phase has ended. During this time most abilities will be sent in to the mods (i effin rule ; Imarevenant), with the Mafia usually sending in their kills while the town send in names of people they want to use their abilities on, such as investigate or protect. The night phase will end once all abilities have been sent in or when the time limit expires, at which point the mods will do a write up of the night’s activities. The write up will reveal what players have been killed any some other events that happen depending on what the mods consider important enough to be in the write ups. Whenever possible, try to get PMs into the mods as soon as possible after the start of the night phase in order to keep the game moving along at a quick pace.

Once night has ended, a new day begins and the cycle repeats itself until win conditions have been reached. The Town generally wins when there are no threats left to them; the Mafia generally wins when their numbers are equal to or greater than the remaining non-Mafia players. Remember, this is a team effort so if you think sacrificing someone may help your cause then go ahead.


GENERAL MAFIA GAME RULES:

No players are allowed to edit their posts EVER!. Whether it be to correct a typo or to remove some accidentally incriminating things someone has said, no editing of posts is allowed. While mods may choose to be lenient, the standard penalty for anyone caught editing a post is a mod kill.

All players should play to their role/alignment and play to win. While there are likely to be times that you have to do things against your best interest, any players who deliberately go against their win conditions risk being banned from future games for failing to play to their role and going against the spirit of the game.

Here is a brief example role PM of a townie role.



Players are only allowed to post their role title from their role PM, that is the bit that says you are “Example Man, Dayordra Aligned Example” or something similar. You can paraphrase things that the rest of your PM says but you are not allowed to directly quote anything else other than the role title from your PM, which is also the only thing players will see when you are dead. If the mods catch you posting anything that closely resembles what your role PM says then it will be grounds for a mod kill. You have been warned!

In game “role bets” such as “I will never play again if…” is strictly prohibited. If you do this then you will at minimum be replaced as soon as possible, with a maximum penalty of a mod kill. It may also lead to a ban from future games; mods don’t want players who will bet on things outside their games in order to try and prove something in a game so just don’t do it.

Though we can’t force you to post, all mods love to see active participants in their games. We advise everyone to check in at least once a day, as games can move pretty fast and it can be easy to fall behind if you are not on regularly.

Though this may also be a mafia game and we just said we want you to post, try not to postwhore in the thread too much. Where possible try to keep things relevant to the game that is being played and try not to let arguments get out of hand. This game stirs up some passionate arguments and we understand that this will happen, but if anything turns into a personal attack or veers wildly off topic then it ruins the fun for everyone. Be considerate and play nice. :)

Unless your role PM specifically states otherwise, no players are allowed to talk about their role, game plan, alignment, win condition or basically anything game related outside of the game thread. While mods can’t easily enforce this rule, any communication about the game outside of the game thread goes against the spirit of mafia games and spoils the game. Anyone caught doing this WILL be mod-killed. This is your only warning!

Once you are dead, you stay dead. You will not be allowed to participate in the game thread or continue to talk to people outside the thread that you could talk to before. So if you are a Mafia player who dies, you are NOT allowed to continue talking about the game to your Mafia team mates. No dead players will receive any extra information from the mods (i effin rule ; Imarevenant) when they die either. If you are dead, try not to post anything in the game thread as anything you say could be an unnecessary distraction to those still playing, though a quick post going “Oooooooo I’m a ghost!!” is generally okay, no-one is allowed to leave cryptic messages from the dead, notes on their corpses or anything like that. If you are dead, your contribution to the game is over barring the night spaghetti.

Talking to other dead players is also frowned upon, as many games have been known to feature a revive type ability or need to have players replaced. Talking to other players outside the game means that these abilities can’t be used properly and that you can’t be used as a replacement, which can still have an impact on the game in play. So for the sake of the other players, don’t do it!

When it comes to mafia games, nothing is ever as it seems. There can be things about your role that you don’t know about, other people can bluff about their abilities, people can lie, events can happen and write ups can be read in many different ways. If you have any questions about what is happening then you can get in contact with the mods (i effin rule ; Imarevenant) via PM, and if we can clarify anything for you then we will do what we can. But there are many reasons why we might not be able to, and in any such eventuality you will get a post simply stating the following -> :cool:

With all this in mind, this is meant to be a fun game and it should be an enjoyable experience for all.



GAME SPECIFIC RULES:

This game has a modified “Kingmaker” setup. The first day phase of the game will be the initial election process. Unlike other games where you elect one official, in this one you’ll elect three. At the end of election phase the three people with the most votes will be elected in. Voting for an official will have the following format: Elect: Player Name and to change a vote Change Elect: Player Name

The three “officials” will be notified privately with specific information pertaining to their position. This information is never to be openly shared with the public. Failure to follow this rule will result in a modkill.

Re-Election will take place if one of the following happens:

* One member of the council is killed or lynched.
* The town decides to force a re-election.

If a member of the council is killed a re-election is forced. During this scenario you will be able to vote for a lynch and an official, so the town doesn’t lose a day phase. Be sure to follow the official formatting so that the mods know which action you are choosing. At the end of the phase (or once a lynch has been achieved) the three players with the most Election votes will become the new officials.

The town can force a re-election by having a majority vote at the end of the day phase. To do this you must use the following format: Vote: ELECT – Player Name. The three players at the end of the phase with the most votes (and a majority voting to elect) will be the new officials. This option will result in a No Lynch for the day.

[i effin rule]

Survivors (1):
07. Jman2k3: Diomedes, The Apostasy Aligned Genius



Graveyard (24):
02. moon_lit_tears: Koios, The Apostasy Aligned Interrogator
08. GruntMark: Priam, Noble Aligned Miraculous Prodigy
15. Jaded: Phobos, The Apostasy Aligned Sharp Shooter
16. Paws7297: Bacchus, The Apostasy Aligned Chameleon
06. Comradebot: Llur Digth, Brotherhood Aligned Father
04. mjdgoldeneye: Dodsrod Llesing, Dayordra Aligned Militant
22. Wallbanger: Menelaus, The Apostasy Aligned Master of Intimidation
14. Dragonmack: Rhahmund Lontund, Dayordra Aligned Prankster
05. SmartBomb: Richlough Thurtlye, Dayordra Aligned Menace
10. d_w_w: Syks Trychn, Dayordra Aligned Mirizack Dealer
21. djthefunkchris: Tash Strychkgar, Dayordra Aligned Drug Addled Mirizack Dealer
24. masterded: Eunomia, Noble Aligned Mimic
12. Destiny: Futhim Lol, Dayordra Aligned Medical Expert
09. Tha Black Phenom: Retald Cughina, Dayordra Aligned Nosy Garbage Man
11. MichiganHero: Keldyn Mudn, Dayordra Aligned Expert Hacker
13. eayragt: Droswad Clugh, Dayordra Aligned Security For Hire
17. TheKenwyne/ShadowedFlames: Agaue, The Apostasy Aligned Forecaster
23. Ranson: Mickll Smapmor, Dayordra Aligned Cherished Elder
18. Undertaker666/gonvick: Huss Saphz, Dayordra Aligned Lady of the Night
25. cappyboy: Patroclus, Noble Aligned Well Respected Veteran
19. michgcs: Jett Cheldr, Dayordra Aligned Shunned Legacy
01. praguepride: Vas Slotnard, Dayordra Aligned Keeper of the Dead
20. Prophet: Dal Schodd, Dayordra Aligned Former Government Official
03. BHK1978: Lilith, The Brotherhood Aligned First Born


Events:
D1 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1402334#post1402334): Election of GruntMark, d_w_w, and Paws7297
N1 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1404368#post1404368): No Deaths
D2 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1409304#post1409304): Lynch of moon_lit_tears
N2 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1412198#post1412198): Death of GruntMark and Jaded
D3 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1417117#post1417117): Lynch of Paws7297 / Election of d_w_w, Destiny, and Dragonmack
N3 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1419218#post1419218): No Deaths
MD4 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1421151#post1421151): Death of Comradebot and mjdgoldeneye
D4 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1422544#post1422544): Lynch of Wallbanger and Ranson taken away.
N4 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1424442#post1424442): Death of Dragonmack
D5 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1428465#post1428465): No Lynch / Election of Prophet, eayragt, and Tha Black Phenom
N5 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1430642#post1430642): Death of SmartBomb and d_w_w
D6 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1432983#post1432983): Lynch of djthefunkchris and Ranson taken away.
N6 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1436031#post1436031): Death of masterded and Destiny
D7 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1440103#post1440103): No Lynch
N7 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1442236#post1442236): Death of Tha Black Phenom, eayragt, and MichiganHero
D8 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1445702#post1445702): Lynch of ShadowedFlames / Election of gonvick, Jman2k3, Prophet
N8 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1446948#post1446948): Death of Ranson
N9 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1448262#post1448262): Death of gonvick and cappyboy
D10 (http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1449639#post1449639): Lynch of michgcs
N10 (http://greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1451760#post1451760): Death of praguepride
D11 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1452229#post1452229): Lynch of Prophet
N11 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1452357#post1452357): Death of BHK1978
IER's Award (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1453676#post1453676)
Dayordra (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1453713#post1453713)
The Brotherhood (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1453717#post1453717)
The Noble (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1453719#post1453719)
The Apostasy (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1453737&postcount=1598)
Epilogue (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1457412#post1457412)

[i effin rule]

N0

A man is pacing around a large room. His attire is extravagant, clearly showing how important this man is. His pacing is stopped by the sound of a door opening. His attention quickly shifts to the direction of the sound. A large man enters wearing light body armor.


Man: I’ve been expecting you.


Large Man: Premier.


The man revealed as the Premier points towards a spot on the floor and the larger man begins to walk to the spot. The two stand in front of a large window, Dayordra bustling outside of it.


Premier: I’ve called you here in confidence as I have something very important to tell you. We have reason to believe that there are traitors amongst the Noble.


Large Man: Are you sure sir? It is hard for me to imagine that any of us would do anything to harm Dayordra.


Premier: I am afraid so. The reason I am telling you, my most trusted Noble, is that I want you to keep your eyes open to anything you may find suspicious.


Noble: Anything you ask my Premier. Though I must ask, what do you plan to do with these traitors?


Premier: You know as well as I that any known traitor is sentenced to death.


Noble: Understood…


A beep is heard and a light begins to flash on the earpiece of the Noble. He presses it and begins to speak.


Noble: Are you in position?


A muffled voice is heard coming through the earpiece.


Voice: Aye.


The expression on the face of the Premier suddenly changes to fright.


Premier: What is the meaning of this? What is going on?


Noble: Your reign over Dayordra has gone on long enough. No longer will we follow the rule of you or any other Premier. This begins a new era for Dayordra.


Premier: You’ll never…


The window somehow deactivates and a cool breeze flows in. You couldn’t even hear the shot until it penetrated the skull of the Premier. He immediately falls to the ground dead. The Noble walks up to the window where an escape vehicle has just arrived. Perfect timing. The Noble is long gone by the time the body of the Premier is found.


i effin rule is dead. He was Drayban Chreldr, Dayordra Aligned Beloved Premier

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.



Note: Be sure to read the rules! There are some rules specific to this game that you should know.

[Wallbanger]

/goes to look for bacon

[i effin rule]

/goes to look for bacon

http://salooned.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bacon-cupcake.jpg

[moon_lit_tears]

Elect Bacon muffins.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Seeing as there's 3 officials in this game instead of 1 king, I would like to say that I would like to be elected.

I don't have any ulterior motives or bonuses, but I'm not in any other games and I have never been elected before... :p I'm better when I'm interested and I'm interested in being elected.

If other people come up with better reasons, go with them. ;)

[Wallbanger]

http://salooned.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/bacon-cupcake.jpg


Now I have bacon. And a frosted bacon bran muffin. That truly rocks.

Everything's better with bacon. Elect me! :D

[Paws7297]

Now I have bacon. And a frosted bacon bran muffin. That truly rocks.

Everything's better with bacon. Elect me! :D
Baaaaacon!!!!

Elect- Wallbanger

Can I has bacon now?

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

Wallbanger: 1 (Paws7297)

[Paws7297]

Also, I'd like to put myself out there to be one of the three... My role doesn't really have anything to it.. Risks and extras coming with the role of one of the officials would be fun.

[praguepride]

Guys, trust me on this. I'm taking a bit of a depature on this role, instead of hiding in the shadows I'll come out D1 and claim a big PR so I can get elected.


I'm hoping election will provide protection and we will nail scum left right, up and down.


Elect: praguepride

Follow me to victory, lads and lasses, men and women. Mighty citizens of The Noble!

[mjdgoldeneye]

Guys, trust me on this. I'm taking a bit of a depature on this role, instead of hiding in the shadows I'll come out D1 and claim a big PR so I can get elected.


I'm hoping election will provide protection and we will nail scum left right, up and down.


Elect: praguepride

Follow me to victory, lads and lasses, men and women. Mighty citizens of The Noble!

You've done this before. I swear you have... :p

MNN, also, always campaigns for leader roles. Derek does often too as does Astil.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

Wallbanger: 1 (Paws7297)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)

[moon_lit_tears]

Elect D_Dubs.

There we go. That's who I think I will stick with for a bit. :p

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

Wallbanger: 1 (Paws7297)
praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (moon_lit_tears)

[Paws7297]

Also, I'd like to put myself out there to be one of the three... My role doesn't really have anything to it.. Risks and extras coming with the role of one of the officials would be fun.

Change elect- none Since I didn't get any bacon. :p

[michgcs]

What happens when someone gets elected? And are all our... erm... candidates going to have an old-fashioned debate? :D

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (moon_lit_tears)

[mjdgoldeneye]

What happens when someone gets elected? And are all our... erm... candidates going to have an old-fashioned debate? :D

It says up top that they get SUPER SECRET THINGS OF SORTS that they can't share.

[Paws7297]

It says up top that they get SUPER SECRET THINGS OF SORTS that they can't share.
What is your avatar of?....

[SmartBomb]

What happens when someone gets elected? And are all our... erm... candidates going to have an old-fashioned debate? :D

Extra abilities and stuff, I suppose.

Personally, I want to know why we should elect them. I don't want to give the Serial Bomber extra power.

Yes, I did my homework.

[mjdgoldeneye]

What is your avatar of?....

Tali from Mass Effect.

[Ranson]

Elect: Paws


Vote: praguepride

'Way to eager for power, I say :D

Off to bed!

[Paws7297]

Elect: Paws


Vote: praguepride

'Way to eager for power, I say :D

Off to bed!
/Hands you a choco chip cookie

[moon_lit_tears]

Elect: Paws


Vote: praguepride

'Way to eager for power, I say :D

Off to bed!

/watches Scott and Thor go off together!! :p

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 1 (moon_lit_tears)
Paws7297: 1 (Ranson)

[Prophet]

Of all the threads in all the forums, you just had to go and bacon in mine ...

Now I want pancakes!

Oh, right, big things happening ... so this is interesting. I suppose I should say that I'd like to offer my services to being voted an official. And I will. I can't promise you bran muffins covered in bacon. I can't promise a chick in every pot, and a car in every garage ... since I don't think that's fair to women, or know if we have cars or garages.

What I can say is this ... we are in a moment of crisis. And we need people we trust, people we believe in. And until I retired from the council, in hopes of retiring to a small island with my operatic alien who always sings last, I was that councilman. And with your support, one day, I can be that man again!

Vote for Proph, he's ... got a cough? No ... he's seen some stuff! No ... I got it! Vote for Proph, he looks like Chekov! (Appealing to my core base of Star Trek fans. :D)

[praguepride]

You've done this before. I swear you have... :p

MNN, also, always campaigns for leader roles. Derek does often too as does Astil.

FIgures...yeah, and before it didn't work out because I wasn't what I said I was.


Trust me on this one and it will pay off dividends.
Don't trust me and I'll be dead N1.

As long as I've got eyes on me when I die, I FIgure I'll have done my job. Which is outing scum, thanks to my super awesome, often called super-broken abilities because it they can't be stopped or misled or altered.

I put scum on the clock, and it's a beautiful position to be in.

Elect me, trust me, and we break the game.

[Dragonmack]

elect: DWW of all the candidates, he has tried to kill me the least.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 1 (Ranson)

[Prophet]

elect: DWW of all the candidates, he has tried to kill me the least.

*Gasp!* I is offended ... I've never tried to kill you. Have I? I don't believe I have. Darn you old age! lol

[michgcs]

It says up top that they get SUPER SECRET THINGS OF SORTS that they can't share.

Extra abilities and stuff, I suppose.

Personally, I want to know why we should elect them. I don't want to give the Serial Bomber extra power.

Yes, I did my homework.

I do want to know that, as well... Campaign speeches, anyone? :cool:

[Jman2k3]

Elect: Jman2k3

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 1 (Ranson)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)

[BHK1978]

Elect: Destiny

That is all...

[BHK1978]

Oh and I am going to do each and everyone of you a favor. I have read through the thread and I have figured out that seven to eight of the following people are Scum:

01. praguepride
02. moon_lit_tears
04. mjdgoldeneye
05. SmartBomb
06. Comradebot
07. Jman2k3
08. GruntMark
09. Tha Black Phenom
10. d_w_w
11. MichiganHero
12. Destiny
13. eayragt
14. Dragonmack
15. Jaded
16. Paws7297
17. TheKenwyne
18. Undertaker666
19. michgcs
20. Prophet
21. djthefunkchris
22. Wallbanger
23. Ranson
24. masterded
25. cappyboy

You can thank me later for this information.

[BHK1978]

Sorry for the triple post but this is a legit post. IER, what happens if there is a tie in the election votes at the end of the election phase? Meaning what if there is a five way tie for votes.

[i effin rule]

Sorry for the triple post but this is a legit post. IER, what happens if there is a tie in the election votes at the end of the election phase? Meaning what if there is a five way tie for votes.

First 3 nominated will be the 3 to get in.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 1 (Ranson)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 1 (BHK1978)

[d_w_w]

Elect D_Dubs.

There we go. That's who I think I will stick with for a bit. :p

Aww :o

elect: DWW of all the candidates, he has tried to kill me the least.

I can confirm that I have made exactly 0 attempts on DMack's life. Except for that time when I voted on him when we were scum together (Hollywood Horror 2, I believe).


Personally, I want to know why we should elect them. I don't want to give the Serial Bomber extra power.

Yes, I did my homework.

This is a good question. And I sincerely hope that folks consider this question when they think about the election process.

I am definitely open to being on the Council. I am not going to push this issue, as I'm not really sure that my role makes the most sense on the Council. Of course, this is impossible to say, given that we don't know and (given the rules) likely won't know the details associated with being a Council Member.

In some sense, I'm willing to stand aside and let the folks that are really interested in being on the council argue it out, as certain people might have really sensible pro-town reasons for wanting council positions. Of course, those clamoring for the positions loudly might also have really sensible anti-town reasons for wanting to be on the council as well.

Given that, my primary concern is that we make an honest effort at electing Dayordra Aligned people to the Council. To that degree, I expect some degree of transparency from those that would be elected to office. And if folks really are interested in electing me to the council, I'd be more than willing to give a character claim and would be open to discussing my role in general (but not specific) terms.

If you want my vote to be on the Council, I want you to convince me that you have Dayordra interests at heart. I'm not sure exactly how you should do that. You need to figure that out for yourself.

The point is: I'm not going to just toss my vote out on a whim. If you want it, convince me.

[eayragt]

Guys, trust me on this. I'm taking a bit of a depature on this role, instead of hiding in the shadows I'll come out D1 and claim a big PR so I can get elected.


I'm hoping election will provide protection and we will nail scum left right, up and down.


Elect: praguepride

Follow me to victory, lads and lasses, men and women. Mighty citizens of The Noble!

FIgures...yeah, and before it didn't work out because I wasn't what I said I was.


Trust me on this one and it will pay off dividends.
Don't trust me and I'll be dead N1.

As long as I've got eyes on me when I die, I FIgure I'll have done my job. Which is outing scum, thanks to my super awesome, often called super-broken abilities because it they can't be stopped or misled or altered.

I put scum on the clock, and it's a beautiful position to be in.

Elect me, trust me, and we break the game.

It's a good theory - if this gains you abilites. If this changes your so called super broken abilities then you might actually be nullifying yourself.

The three “officials” will be notified privately with specific information pertaining to their position. This information is never to be openly shared with the public. Failure to follow this rule will result in a modkill.


Nothing in there says you're going to gain anything. It's a dangerous assumption, and I think being elected will make people more of a target, and therefore more likely to die. If you role is as good as you say it is, I don't want this to happen. I think we'd be better off electing someone who is less likely to be able to affect the game majorly in their current state. With re-elections happening at the same time as lynches I think if we have to re-elect it'll increase the chances of us taking our eyes of the lynch, and missing a lynch. Therefore electee deaths are baaaaad for the town - in which case I don't think we should make it even worse by losing a power role. Therefore we need someone who will, without seeming harsh, be less missed. I'm not going to base this on the skill of the player, I'll base this purely on ability. I would be a good candidate following this logic, but I'm not going to vote for myself. So instead readnig the posts I've found:

Also, I'd like to put myself out there to be one of the three... My role doesn't really have anything to it.. Risks and extras coming with the role of one of the officials would be fun.

So, Elect: Paws7297

That's not a final vote that will never be changed, as it's more important that we have people we're convinced are Daytona elected. Obviously no-one has proved themselves yet (being early day one and all), so this would be my current route instead.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I was born poor, and I got the street smarts to make it work. Who better to understand the lower people? You shan't go wrong with this, up to you to seize the day.

Elect: Tha Black Phenom

[SmartBomb]

SmartBomb's observations of the past twelve hours:


Everyone who votes for themselves are scum, mainly because our candidates will not be 5 votes on one, 4 on another and 3 on the last. Most likely, it will be a 10-1-1 or something similar. What I'm trying to say here is that voting for yourself will give you a much higher chance - in fact, a very realistic chance - of being elected, and that, to me, is scummy.
So far, one candidate has shared information about themselves, which is where I'm leaning to.
To everyone that is saying that "X should be nominated because they make good decisions," I would like to remind you that this is not traditional Kingmaker. The officials do not decide lynches. Therefore, officials do not need any thought process at all, except to use their abilities wisely - and I trust everyone here that they can do that. In short, dont investigate yourself.

The people, of course, that will misuse their powers to the towns detriment are scum. So a poster would be:
WANTED: OFFICIALS
Requirements: Must not be a douchebag
Must not be scum



I believe that Paws will be elected, so anyone want to give info?

[Tha Black Phenom]

I plead the fifth.

[SmartBomb]

I plead the fifth.

Elect: Tha Black Phenom

But seriously, missed your earlier post.

[Undertaker666]

Elect: Wallbanger

"Why?", you ask? Why not?

[GruntMark]

I would like to be elected.

-I've never campaigned before, because in the past I felt whatever role I had at the time would be more beneficial outside the spotlight. Not so this time.

-I am bulletproof, so I will not be forgoing any night abilities if elected.

-Because I'm bulletproof its unlikely you'll have to risk replacing me.

-I'm more than competent at hunting scum, in the rare games I'm not scum. :p

-In the interest of full disclosure, I'm this games Miller. Which is probably the tradeoff for being bulletproof.

[Destiny]

Elect: Destiny. I have a power role, and as a member of the council I can use it more wisely, which would be nice.

[Undertaker666]

I would like to be elected.

-I've never campaigned before, because in the past I felt whatever role I had at the time would be more beneficial outside the spotlight. Not so this time.

-I am bulletproof, so I will not be forgoing any night abilities if elected.

-Because I'm bulletproof its unlikely you'll have to risk replacing me.

-I'm more than competent at hunting scum, in the rare games I'm not scum. :p

-In the interest of full disclosure, I'm this games Miller. Which is probably the tradeoff for being bulletproof.

A bulletproof miller? Sounds suspiciously like a Don.

[SmartBomb]

Just skip the complete don part.

Apologies GruntMark, but it's that questionable a claim might be needed. :o

[GruntMark]

A bulletproof miller? Sounds suspiciously like a Don.

Does it? Alot of dons come up scum then?

Interesting.

The fact that you'd begin pushing it that way...

Yeah, you're probably scum. No way youd say something so ignorant of typical game mechanics otherwise.

[Destiny]

I agree that GruntMark should not be elected as a member of the council. If what he says is true, he could be dangerous.

[Tha Black Phenom]

I agree that GruntMark should not be elected as a member of the council. If what he says is true, he could be dangerous.

You didn't think this through, did you? :p

[GruntMark]

To be honest, I was going to claim either way.

Its good to get out front of the miller thing, otherwise if I wait until investigated, its shady as hell.

Bulletproof? I can lead this town as bulletproof. The only thing that stops me is early deaths. I hinted at it last time and had 3 scum trying to vote me off right away. Why, because they know I can. They want me dead. Coincedence that UT is already starting down that path? I doubt it.

Judge me by the content of how I play, and I will see to it that the threats to Dayordra are eliminated. Electing me will probably give me more tools. But dont, well...fine. I'll be annoyed, but I'll still do it. Just to prove I can.

[SmartBomb]

Elect: GruntMark

[Destiny]

My vote's staying where it is, on the only person I can fully trust at this moment in time.

[Undertaker666]

Does it? Alot of dons come up scum then?

Interesting.

The fact that you'd begin pushing it that way...

Yeah, you're probably scum. No way youd say something so ignorant of typical game mechanics otherwise.

Some Dons do, some Dons don't. Nothing ignorant thinking about possibilities. Then again, outing yourself as bulletproof so early seems illogical if you're a townie. If the scum targeted you then it would have wasted their kill for that night phase.

If that sort of thinking makes me seem scummy, then so be it.

Bulletproof? I can lead this town as bulletproof

You can lead/could have led the town being bulletproof without the need of being elected. Much like when everyone knows who the PGO is, the town looks to that person to lead the way because they know that person can be trusted.

The only thing that stops me is early deaths. I hinted at it last time and had 3 scum trying to vote me off right away. Why, because they know I can. They want me dead. Coincedence that UT is already starting down that path? I doubt it.

Didn't say I wanted you dead, i'd like some further proof before that happens. If you are who you say you are then you're definitely useful, but at the moment we've only got your word to go on.

[praguepride]

This is getting retarded.

I'm a forensic investigator. If elected and protected, I will be able to identify each and every killer and provide town with a handy dandy short list of scum to look into each night.


If you don't elect me, I will day N1 and town will waste a valuable resource. Plain and simple.

[praguepride]

I am: Vas Slotnard, Dayordra Aligned Keeper of the Dead.

[michgcs]

-In the interest of full disclosure, I'm this games Miller. Which is probably the tradeoff for being bulletproof.

Is it possible to have two millers in a game?

[SmartBomb]

Some Dons do, some Dons don't. Nothing ignorant thinking about possibilities. Then again, outing yourself as bulletproof so early seems illogical if you're a townie. If the scum targeted you then it would have wasted their kill for that night phase.

If that sort of thinking makes me seem scummy, then so be it.

It's true that some scum dons do turn up scum, usually when they use an ability.

What I'd like to know is how you came to that conclusion, considering dons are so usually town it's become a stereotype. The main idea in your head after seeing GM's post should be "GM may be mafia," not "GM may be don."

Unless, of course, your don comes up scum to investigation.

Didn't say I wanted you dead, i'd like some further proof before that happens. If you are who you say you are then you're definitely useful, but at the moment we've only got your word to go on.

This, I agree with, and would still like a roleclaim.

@Prague: Look at your first post.

Look carefully.

Yeahhhhhhhhhhh.

No.

Freudian slip, maybe? No.

Besides, I think IER would be better than that to give a standard FI.

[GruntMark]

This is getting retarded.

I'm a forensic investigator. If elected and protected, I will be able to identify each and every killer and provide town with a handy dandy short list of scum to look into each night.


If you don't elect me, I will day N1 and town will waste a valuable resource. Plain and simple.

I dont trust FI. ;)

[praguepride]

Is it possible to have two millers in a game?

Possible but improbable. He could also claim BP because if he's on a large scum faction and there's only one, then nobody will swing his way, except maybe an SK if we have one, but even then most SK don't want to risk a wasted night on a possible BP, they'll save it for when they really need the guy dead.

[GruntMark]

Some Dons do, some Dons don't. Nothing ignorant thinking about possibilities. Then again, outing yourself as bulletproof so early seems illogical if you're a townie. If the scum targeted you then it would have wasted their kill for that night phase.

If that sort of thinking makes me seem scummy, then so be it.


You can lead/could have led the town being bulletproof without the need of being elected. Much like when everyone knows who the PGO is, the town looks to that person to lead the way because they know that person can be trusted.

Didn't say I wanted you dead, i'd like some further proof before that happens. If you are who you say you are then you're definitely useful, but at the moment we've only got your word to go on.

Thats some mighty fine crawfish'n there.

Because some dons come up scum (though most dont) and because somewhere in the history of GDS there was a BP don (maybe) you use your first post in response to me to say "HE MIGHT BE BIG BAD SCUM!"

Give me a break. With that logic anyone could be painted the don and shouted down.

Same thing as last time. Find any reason to off the fellow you cant night kill.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Well we're asking for a bit much now aren't we??? :rolleyes:

Tell you what, this was mostly for a bit of fun but I'll take my candidacy off if need be. I don't have much going on for my own role either, like almost virtually nothing, buuuuuut if that's not what tickles the majority's gears... /shrug ;)

I'll just vote for whoever seems most sensible to me, probably.

But that's one issue I'm not fully comfortable with. I'm probably not the only one who thinks designating a protecting target every night is not wise at all, no matter how useful or powerful the role may be. My idea is also to elect someone who is proactive and doesn't have much to live for. If you have a power role... keep it to yourself and just use it. You can still contribute.. cause I can guarantee any of these "officials" we're gonna hire aren't gonna last forever(except if they're SCUMMMM!).

Soon as that protector's gone, it's open season. And then what? I'd feel better about those who aren't target magnets or who can afford it(ergo Paws/Grunt).

[GruntMark]

If you don't elect me, I will day N1 and town will waste a valuable resource. Plain and simple.

Also, they totally wouldnt if you didnt just claim.

You probably werent going to die night one. I dont find your name comes up on the night one kill list too often.

[Destiny]

As you claim to come up scum, there's a much higher chance of you being scum than being the Don.

[GruntMark]

As you claim to come up scum, there's a much higher chance of you being scum than being the Don.

Or, Im just the miller. Im bulletproof to balance that. Thats about the best way to balance a BP role, wouldnt you say? Otherwise there is ZERO risk to the BP party.

But Im not going to argue with you Destiny. Im right, and you arent if thats your actual opinion and not just playing devil's advocate.

[GruntMark]

As you claim to come up scum, there's a much higher chance of you being scum than being the Don.

AND even if that is your actual opinion.

Then you have to find UTs post scummy as all get out. He knows there's no better way to get the town fired up than screaming don, even if the logic behind it is as flimsy as can be.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Also, they totally wouldnt if you didnt just claim.

You probably werent going to die night one. I dont find your name comes up on the night one kill list too often.

/nod

You were just going for the jugular there.. you claimed and now everyone's stuck into a corner, moreso the protector. Should you not be elected for some reason, night comes and he'll have to wonder who to protect now(between Paws, the third official and you).

[praguepride]

Meh, I think an FI is a pretty powerful role (some even call broken). While I don't see myself high on anyone's hitlist to start with, doesn't mean I don't die within the first couple of days.

I figured if I put a huge bullseye on my back:
A) Town could follow my lead and at least have better chance of electing majority town over scum to office
B) If scum take a swing at me it'll fail or blow up in their face
C) If scum DON'T take a swing at me I'll narrow down the lists and out them one by one in the end.


I'm not saying this is the smartest move. Not saying it's the best move. But I'm trying to try something different every single game, trying different play strategies and seeing how they pan out.

All part of my overall development to break into the top tier of mafia playing. So this time I'm trying "full disclosure". Other games I've tried playing coy, other games I've tried lying to help town, all to varying success.

So I thought I'd try the Destiny approach of claiming D1 and seeing how it goes...

[d_w_w]

I would like to be elected.

-I've never campaigned before, because in the past I felt whatever role I had at the time would be more beneficial outside the spotlight. Not so this time.

-I am bulletproof, so I will not be forgoing any night abilities if elected.

-Because I'm bulletproof its unlikely you'll have to risk replacing me.

-I'm more than competent at hunting scum, in the rare games I'm not scum. :p

-In the interest of full disclosure, I'm this games Miller. Which is probably the tradeoff for being bulletproof.

I'm curious. Is your PM explicit about your millerness? Or is it suggested?

[d_w_w]

Regarding PP: It was fairly obvious with his opening pitch that he was going to claim FI or something like it.

I don't have any gut feeling right now whether or not he's telling the truth, but honestly, I'm inclined to believe him.

I'm less inclined to believe that IER would put a standard FI in a small game. This is the mod, after all, that developed the matching samples FI variant for use in a much larger game.

[SmartBomb]

Meh, I think an FI is a pretty powerful role (some even call broken). While I don't see myself high on anyone's hitlist to start with, doesn't mean I don't die within the first couple of days.

I figured if I put a huge bullseye on my back:
A) Town could follow my lead and at least have better chance of electing majority town over scum to office
B) If scum take a swing at me it'll fail or blow up in their face
C) If scum DON'T take a swing at me I'll narrow down the lists and out them one by one in the end.


I'm not saying this is the smartest move. Not saying it's the best move. But I'm trying to try something different every single game, trying different play strategies and seeing how they pan out.

All part of my overall development to break into the top tier of mafia playing. So this time I'm trying "full disclosure". Other games I've tried playing coy, other games I've tried lying to help town, all to varying success.

So I thought I'd try the Destiny approach of claiming D1 and seeing how it goes...

You think the Noble are GOOD GUYS.

If this was any normal Day 1, Id be pressuring you.

And the fact that IER would put an FI in his game, after the R&B fiasco, after the Medical fiasco, after the CC fiasco?

The closest he's come to putting an FI in his game is derek's samples role from SW3.

[d_w_w]

SmartBomb's observations of the past twelve hours:


Everyone who votes for themselves are scum, mainly because our candidates will not be 5 votes on one, 4 on another and 3 on the last. Most likely, it will be a 10-1-1 or something similar. What I'm trying to say here is that voting for yourself will give you a much higher chance - in fact, a very realistic chance - of being elected, and that, to me, is scummy.
So far, one candidate has shared information about themselves, which is where I'm leaning to.
To everyone that is saying that "X should be nominated because they make good decisions," I would like to remind you that this is not traditional Kingmaker. The officials do not decide lynches. Therefore, officials do not need any thought process at all, except to use their abilities wisely - and I trust everyone here that they can do that. In short, dont investigate yourself.

The people, of course, that will misuse their powers to the towns detriment are scum. So a poster would be:
WANTED: OFFICIALS
Requirements: Must not be a douchebag
Must not be scum



I believe that Paws will be elected, so anyone want to give info?

I meant to comment on this earlier. This is probably the most sensible post I've seen regarding the elections.

Especially the part about voting for yourself.

3 people are going into the Council. Don't vote for yourself, vote someone else that you think makes sense for the Council.

Right now, I'm leaning toward supporting TBP.

[Undertaker666]

What I'd like to know is how you came to that conclusion, considering dons are so usually town it's become a stereotype. The main idea in your head after seeing GM's post should be "GM may be mafia," not "GM may be don."

I don't know how everyone else plays, but if i'm scum then my lies always have an element of truth to them. If GruntMark is doing the same, then he'd be lying about his role but not his ability, as the ability is something that can be proven.

A Don is more likely to be bulletproof than your average scum, which is why I came to that conclusion.

Because some dons come up scum (though most dont) and because somewhere in the history of GDS there was a BP don (maybe) you use your first post in response to me to say "HE MIGHT BE BIG BAD SCUM!"

I can think of three bulletproof Dons off the top of my head, I was one of them when I was Vince McMahon. You go with what you know.

Give me a break. With that logic anyone could be painted the don and shouted down.

Not true. But with what you've claimed, you could very well be.

[Destiny]

GruntMark, you're right in that I was just playing devil's advocate. However, I don't want anybody who is bulletproof in a position of power, as if they're scum there's no way to remove them.

[d_w_w]

GruntMark, you're right in that I was just playing devil's advocate. However, I don't want anybody who is bulletproof in a position of power, as if they're scum there's no way to remove them.

Except by lynching them?

[michgcs]

I'm curious. Is your PM explicit about your millerness? Or is it suggested?

I am curious as well.

[GruntMark]

GruntMark, you're right in that I was just playing devil's advocate. However, I don't want anybody who is bulletproof in a position of power, as if they're scum there's no way to remove them.

Except by lynching them?

To be fair Destiny, if you put anyone else in that position, you could end up in the same situation. Assuming they get some sort of protection. Which, would likely be wasted on me. I am working under the assumption that more will come with it than protection. Especially in light of the rules of replacement.

But thats still a valid concern to a point, and I can respect that.

[GruntMark]

I'm curious. Is your PM explicit about your millerness? Or is it suggested?

Its explicit. I have zero doubt I will be labled threat.

So no guess work on my part.

[michgcs]

Its explicit. I have zero doubt I will be labled threat.

So no guess work on my part.

The reason I am asking is because I am a miller as well.

[d_w_w]

Its explicit. I have zero doubt I will be labled threat.

So no guess work on my part.

Excellent. Means that I'm not a miller then :)

[GruntMark]

Not true. But with what you've claimed, you could very well be.

So over 60+ games and probably 70+ dons.

One Don who was bulletproof.

Probably 50 or so players who were BP and not don.

Well, damn. I guess that seals it. I would have jumped right to HE MIGHT BE DON too. :rolleyes:

[GruntMark]

The reason I am asking is because I am a miller as well.

Well then.

You now have all the more reason to trust me. After all, threat right? Not "nontown" or "not Daywhateverdra"

[michgcs]

Well then.

You now have all the more reason to trust me. After all, threat right? Not "nontown" or "not Daywhateverdra"

good point.

Elect: GruntMark

[Prophet]

Drat, bet'cha I'd be getting votes if my name rhymed with Spock! :p

I'm not sure where I'll throw my support, as of yet, but I'm rather intrigued by the double miller claim. Not in a "one of these guys has to be lying" sort of way, but in a "how could this make sense, storyline-wise, sort of way."

[Undertaker666]

So over 60+ games and probably 70+ dons.

One Don who was bulletproof.

Probably 50 or so players who were BP and not don.

Well, damn. I guess that seals it. I would have jumped right to HE MIGHT BE DON too. :rolleyes:

You must've mis-read, I said I can think of at least three.

Then again you've undoubtedly played more games than me so if you want to go down the numbers route, i'm curious as to how many bullet-proof millers have there been in the 60+ games?

[Tha Black Phenom]

Could've swore there was one in recent memory...

overall though, I obviously don't know.

[GruntMark]

You must've mis-read, I said I can think of at least three.

Then again you've undoubtedly played more games than me so if you want to go down the numbers route, i'm curious as to how many bullet-proof millers have there been in the 60+ games?

I can name one. ;)

[Undertaker666]

I can name one. ;)

Can you name more than one?

[d_w_w]

Not ready to throw my support behind GM for election, as I have some concerns about whether that role makes sense for the Council or not, but...

Bulletproof miller seems like a reasonable combination to be, tbh. The bulletproof part increases the likelihood of investigation (because the person isn't apt to die early in the game), which increases the likelihood of the "I'm a miller" / "no you're not" day phase.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 2 (BHK1978, Destiny)
Tha Black Phenom: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 1 (michgcs)

[Tha Black Phenom]

We just got off a game with an unlynchable miller if that counts for anything. bwahahah

[praguepride]

You think the Noble are GOOD GUYS.

If this was any normal Day 1, Id be

/shakes angry fist at IER.

So I spent days reading and re-reading the background info in the write up and though that The Noble(s) were the super elite military force protecting the town.

Days of making an impression didn't register in the OP when The Noble kills the Primier.


/shrug. If I was a The Noble I'd sure as hell know they were the scum group.

Or could be rogue Nobs....


That reminds me, I completely forgot to go orky for this game :(

Stupid snowstorm. It makes da' boyz cranky!

[praguepride]

Hang on, I'm confused.

Is The Noble a single soldier or an entire entity made up of multiple upon multiple people?

[GruntMark]

...If it helps any, I could really use a win today. :(

[praguepride]

Alright, went back through and cleared everythibg up.

So The Noble is both a term used to describe an elite super soldier unit, the members of that unit, and individual people in the unit.

So while The Noble is definitely bad, The Noble is probably bad, The Noble might still be good.

Hence my confusion ;)

So calling the troopers nobz clears it up:

The head Nob, as well as a portion of Nobs are the mafia group armed with super powers. However, depending on its size, portions of The Noble could still be town aligned.

[GruntMark]

You should make a flow chart.

Charts are cool.

[Destiny]

Charts are cool. I believe that I will become a member of the council as it stands.

[GruntMark]

I'm not really comfortable with you or PP basically blackmailing the town with your PR claims. Especially when what evidence we have would indicate you don't gain significant protection.

Right now, aside from myself, my favorite for Council is Paws.

[Destiny]

If you don't like me as a member of the council, you can ask for somebody to kill me at night. Can I do that if I don't like you in the council? Not if you're telling the truth.

[GruntMark]

If you don't like me as a member of the council, you can ask for somebody to kill me at night. Can I do that if I don't like you in the council? Not if you're telling the truth.

Lol, Lame arguement is lame.

No one wanted to kill you. You, if you aren't lying, coulda PRed for five or six nights probably. All you've done is blackmail the town into a more difficult situation.

And if you don't like me, you can always vote me to death. Democracy, silly Brits. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

I dont trust FI. ;)

I laughed. This ALMOST had me change my vote.



Still reading, but I'm. Going back to sleep. I hate being sick!

[GruntMark]

I laughed. This ALMOST had me change my vote.



Still reading, but I'm. Going back to sleep. I hate being sick!

Give it two weeks.

Thats what its taken everyone else to feel better.

[Destiny]

We do have democracy in Britain, GruntMark. I can still use my Power Role, but it will be easier if I am in the council.

[GruntMark]

We do have democracy in Britain, GruntMark. I can still use my Power Role, but it will be easier if I am in the council.

How do you know that?

Do you have access to some information we dont?

How do you know you'll even keep your power role, rather than be too busy with the duties of office to execute it?

[Destiny]

Three people are elected into the council. The mechanic isn't going to allow for three townies to potentially all lose their abilities. Even if that is the case, you'd no longer be bulletproof, which makes your argument void.

[GruntMark]

Three people are elected into the council. The mechanic isn't going to allow for three townies to potentially all lose their abilities. Even if that is the case, you'd no longer be bulletproof, which makes your argument void.

/shrug

Thats a risk I was willing to make. Was even sure you'd considered it.

Not that Im really sure I believe you to begin with.

Why is it you are so concerned about not being able to specifically night kill me? What connections do you have that allow you to night kill everyone else?

[moon_lit_tears]

Is it possible to have two millers in a game?

Large games, yes. Short games, yes but not as likely.

We just got off a game with an unlynchable miller if that counts for anything. bwahahah

:(

...If it helps any, I could really use a win today. :(

Aww if we could make wishes out of airplanes. I could use one too. :p

Charts are cool. I believe that I will become a member of the council as it stands.

No offense meant here. Your activity level screams out to not put you in a position of power.

What is with all the outing of abilities day 1? And from players who should know how bad that is.

[GruntMark]

Aww if we could make wishes out of airplanes. I could use one too. :p



But you arent running.

Also, last time Destiny was going to lead us? Scum.

Whereas, MLT, you know I'm not scum this game. You are far too good at figuring out when I am. :p

[praguepride]

Three people are elected into the council. The mechanic isn't going to allow for three townies to potentially all lose their abilities. Even if that is the case, you'd no longer be bulletproof, which makes your argument void.

LOL!

You just got CHECK-MATED by Destiny.

Also:

scummy miller is still scummy.

If we're to even THINK about believing you we'll need a name and alignment to go along with your claim.

[Destiny]

There's a problem with my activity levels? I've been online all day today, which is more than several others have.

[praguepride]

What is with all the outing of abilities day 1? And from players who should know how bad that is.

In my defense, I started it. If I knew destiny was going to make the exact same play, in the exact same way I would have stuck to the shadows.

@Destiny: After I had already outed myself as a PR, why did you feel the need to do so as well?

[eayragt]

This is getting retarded.

I'm a forensic investigator. If elected and protected, I will be able to identify each and every killer and provide town with a handy dandy short list of scum to look into each night.


If you don't elect me, I will day N1 and town will waste a valuable resource. Plain and simple.

Uh huh. Nice standard FI? BS FI? As much as your attempts to blackmail us into voting for you, I think I'll pass. If you are who you say you are and you think you're making a good play, good for you.

You must've mis-read, I said I can think of at least three.

Then again you've undoubtedly played more games than me so if you want to go down the numbers route, i'm curious as to how many bullet-proof millers have there been in the 60+ games?

I can name one. ;)

Is it Arrows in HOST - is it, is it?

A borrowed role, or picking a role used before by the co-mod as a cover? If it wasn't for your conversation with mich I'd think the latter. Now I'm just midway between the two.

If you don't like me as a member of the council, you can ask for somebody to kill me at night. Can I do that if I don't like you in the council? Not if you're telling the truth.

So your main way of making sure people die is by killing them at night? My main way is lynching them, but then again, I'm a townie.

Three people are elected into the council. The mechanic isn't going to allow for three townies to potentially all lose their abilities. Even if that is the case, you'd no longer be bulletproof, which makes your argument void.

No, the argument wouldn't be void - GM can argue a mechanic that works against both of you - there's several other candidates out there.

[masterded]

I would like to be elected.

-I've never campaigned before, because in the past I felt whatever role I had at the time would be more beneficial outside the spotlight. Not so this time.

-I am bulletproof, so I will not be forgoing any night abilities if elected.

-Because I'm bulletproof its unlikely you'll have to risk replacing me.

-I'm more than competent at hunting scum, in the rare games I'm not scum. :p

-In the interest of full disclosure, I'm this games Miller. Which is probably the tradeoff for being bulletproof.

Is it possible to have two millers in a game?

So I am guessing you are both Noble Aligned[/B]. Which is a way to say I am and though pro town I come up bad.

[eayragt]

Man, any investigator is going to be gutted that they've pulled a prize role and it's so useless...

[GruntMark]

Is it Arrows in HOST - is it, is it?

A borrowed role, or picking a role used before by the co-mod as a cover? If it wasn't for your conversation with mich I'd think the latter. Now I'm just midway between the two.

No, the argument wouldn't be void - GM can argue a mechanic that works against both of you - there's several other candidates out there.

I was kinda joking Eayragt, I meant I can name one (me). The truth is, Im no encyclopedia of these games. I do think BP/Miller is a nice combo and would have considered using it if our BP wasnt thrown in late into CFC. And maybe if Fake FI wasnt included. That was probably hurdle enough.

I'll accept your second arguement as true. Which is why Im leaning Paws and will vote for her if I have to. (If her win is insured, I'll spread the love elsewhere.) I think TBP and you would also be fine choices.

Ive frequently mentioned I dont like the blackmail for power move in other games, so...pretty much under no circumstances will I vote for PP and Destiny. Thats only encouraging that sort of play.

[GruntMark]

So I am guessing you are both Noble Aligned[/B]. Which is a way to say I am and though pro town I come up bad.

/nod

You're good in my book.

I'd not vote for you as well.

[praguepride]

Man, any investigator is going to be gutted that they've pulled a prize role and it's so useless...

Wow...sounds like an FI is suddenly very useful in a town populated with millers...

Just saying. Not that I'm trying to blackmail you into protecting a town asset or anything ;)

[eayragt]

Ive frequently mentioned I dont like the blackmail for power move in other games, so...pretty much under no circumstances will I vote for PP and Destiny. Thats only encouraging that sort of play.

I'll agree on that one - if I had to choose between you three I'd be voting for you.

But I don't have to, so I'm spreading the looooooove.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 2 (BHK1978, Destiny)
Tha Black Phenom: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 1 (michgcs)

[eayragt]

Off topic - is this site being a mare to anyone else at the moment?

[GruntMark]

Off topic - is this site being a mare to anyone else at the moment?

I get the error screen every so often.

[GruntMark]

I'll agree on that one - if I had to choose between you three I'd be voting for you.

But I don't have to, so I'm spreading the looooooove.

And understandable.

I'd like to win. I'd like to think I could be of help given some extra tools to work with. And sure, like everyone, I have alittle bit of an ego...so there is that.

[GruntMark]

/nod

You're good in my book.

I'd would vote for you as well.

Fixed.

Silly fingers.

[praguepride]

The reason why I'm coming out and advocating so much for election is because then that reduces pressure on the protection and watchers.

Instead of having to protect/watch 5 potential big bullseye targets (the 3 councilors AND Destiny AND PP) if Destiny and I are elected that consolidates it down to 3.


If you forget the 3rd guy, then Desters and I maintain 2/3rds control for any decisions. Plain and simple.

You can bitch and moan about how it's unfair to town to blackmail this or that, but is it any less fair then forcing town to spread itself thin because a bunch of vanilla or self-serving roles were elected to power?

Hell, if we decide to trust GM then that's a solid block that can't be disrupted until scum eat away at town, and every kill puts me closer on the scum's trail.

[GruntMark]

I fail at English.

"I WOULD"

[moon_lit_tears]

There's a problem with my activity levels? I've been online all day today, which is more than several others have.

One day does not mean you are active. We've had this same conversation before. You are here one day then gone for three.

Off topic - is this site being a mare to anyone else at the moment?

Yup. I blame Taker....:p

[mjdgoldeneye]

**Facepalm**

That's my summary of the game so far... :p

[GruntMark]

The reason why I'm coming out and advocating so much for election is because then that reduces pressure on the protection and watchers.

Instead of having to protect/watch 5 potential big bullseye targets (the 3 councilors AND Destiny AND PP) if Destiny and I are elected that consolidates it down to 3.


If you forget the 3rd guy, then Desters and I maintain 2/3rds control for any decisions. Plain and simple.

You can bitch and moan about how it's unfair to town to blackmail this or that, but is it any less fair then forcing town to spread itself thin because a bunch of vanilla or self-serving roles were elected to power?

Hell, if we decide to trust GM then that's a solid block that can't be disrupted until scum eat away at town, and every kill puts me closer on the scum's trail.

Its a situation of your own making, so my sympathy is kinda low.

You are much improved. Destiny is Destiny. Im still not sure thats the people I most want calling any shots.

[GruntMark]

**Facepalm**

That's my summary of the game so far... :p

Just mad no one has voted for you. :p

[eayragt]

The reason why I'm coming out and advocating so much for election is because then that reduces pressure on the protection and watchers.

Instead of having to protect/watch 5 potential big bullseye targets (the 3 councilors AND Destiny AND PP) if Destiny and I are elected that consolidates it down to 3.


If you forget the 3rd guy, then Desters and I maintain 2/3rds control for any decisions. Plain and simple.

You can bitch and moan about how it's unfair to town to blackmail this or that, but is it any less fair then forcing town to spread itself thin because a bunch of vanilla or self-serving roles were elected to power?

Hell, if we decide to trust GM then that's a solid block that can't be disrupted until scum eat away at town, and every kill puts me closer on the scum's trail.

Re-electing a coucillor will be a distraction, but I'm not going to cry at any of their deaths. Note to protectors - target the ones with proven abilities, not those in "power".

Your fourth paragraph is one of the worst arguments I've ever heard in my life.

[GruntMark]

Re-electing a coucillor will be a distraction,

We should just elect me to all three?

...I like where this is going. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

We should just elect me to all three?

...I like where this is going. :p

Wait...what about me? :(

[mjdgoldeneye]

Also, if claiming super powerful roles doesn't even help, I guess I'm pulling out of the running.

I don't plan on claiming. :D

[GruntMark]

Wait...what about me? :(

You havent said you wanted it!

Im not going to vote for anyone who doesnt want it. Its a risk, without knowing the advantages or disadvantages.

[d_w_w]

Interesting developments.

Any special win condition issues for you GM (or your fellow Nobles)?

Willing to consider supporting one of you, probably GM, for the Council, pending your response.

Would prefer the other 2 members not be green, though.

[GruntMark]

Interesting developments.

Any special win condition issues for you GM (or your fellow Nobles)?

Willing to consider supporting one of you, probably GM, for the Council, pending your response.

Would prefer the other 2 members not be green, though.

I dont. Standard town win, replacing "town" with the name of the planet.

And thats understandable, if it was me, Id do the same.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm Dayordra. I just wanted to throw that out there. :cool:

[d_w_w]

Elect GruntMark

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 2 (BHK1978, Destiny)
Tha Black Phenom: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 2 (michgcs, d_w_w)

[BHK1978]

GruntMark, you're right in that I was just playing devil's advocate. However, I don't want anybody who is bulletproof in a position of power, as if they're scum there's no way to remove them.

That is not true, if we elect someone we do not like we can go all Gray Davis on their ass and hold a recall election.

[MichiganHero]

Elect : Destiny

Why? Because I care for El Desterino, plus it would be fun/good to give him encouragement to stick in at the game.

[GruntMark]

That is not true, if we elect someone we do not like we can go all Gray Davis on their ass and hold a recall election.

He seems to prefer to go Terminator on us.

Who, of course, was the next guy.

[Imarevenant]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 3 (BHK1978, Destiny, MichiganHero)
Tha Black Phenom: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 2 (michgcs, d_w_w)

[i effin rule]

Nothing to see here.

[moon_lit_tears]

Lol

[Imarevenant]

Nothing to see here.

lol, that's right, don't take away my one contribution to the game now

[d_w_w]

Elect : Destiny

Why? Because I care for El Desterino, plus it would be fun/good to give him encouragement to stick in at the game.

Unsatisfied with this logic.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Its a situation of your own making, so my sympathy is kinda low.

/nod again

Elect : Destiny

Why? Because I care for El Desterino, plus it would be fun/good to give him encouragement to stick in at the game.

and a bloody power role isn't enough? Egad, it's gonna take something big then. Maybe he should be the don then. Guess that got his batteries charging.

[BHK1978]

Unsatisfied with this logic.

Is there ever any logic when it comes to voting either in one of these Kingmaker games or in real life?

The same can be said about the MLT's vote behind you. Where was her logic?

I have friends that voted for Obama just because it was the cool thing to do. Where is the logic to that?

[eayragt]

Well, I'll be back in about 25-26 hours to try and use my vote tactically to keep people out over voting people in if needs.

I might be around to point out fallacies in people's arguments before then, but at the moment there's just a lot of willy waving that's really not my kind of thing.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Here's logic: Let's not put all of the power into the hands of, like, 2 guys with giant, powerful roles.

I have a fairly un-useful role as it stands, so I can be well augmented by being elected.

Also, I'm blue.

However, I won't claim. My role might be useful later, I'm not sure... :p Seeing as scum can and will just blatantly lie (and will have to anyway), forcing the actual townies to also claim to get elected seems silly. You might disagree, but then you'd be a poo-poo head. :mad:

:cool:

If I can get elected without claiming, I'll take it. It seems unlikely, but whatever.

[d_w_w]

Is there ever any logic when it comes to voting either in one of these Kingmaker games or in real life?

The same can be said about the MLT's vote behind you. Where was her logic?

I have friends that voted for Obama just because it was the cool thing to do. Where is the logic to that?

Is there logic in the votes? I don't know. Can there be logic in the votes? Yes.

MLT has pointed out that Destiny has had activity issues in recent games.

MH voted for Destiny noting that a Council spot might spur him to be more active.

Presumably, the Council Members are important, therefore, it makes more sense to select people that have a history of being consistently active.

[BHK1978]

Presumably, the Council Members are important, therefore, it makes more sense to select people that have a history of being consistently active.

Very valid point so I guess going by that I shall:

Change elect: mjdgoldeneye

Hands down one of the more active players we have so we know he shall be around. He claims to have a weaker role at this time. I will say that I do not trust him (because anyone can say anything and until proven otherwise we shall not know) or anyone for that matter but I am willing to give him a shot for now.

[d_w_w]

Pushing this some more:

Is there ever any logic when it comes to voting either in one of these Kingmaker games or in real life?

The same can be said about the MLT's vote behind you. Where was her logic?

I have friends that voted for Obama just because it was the cool thing to do. Where is the logic to that?

This is a good question. Perhaps something you should direct toward her and not me. Do not mistake not stating any logic for not having any logic though.

She may have sensible reasons for voting for me, she may not. Her vote may quickly flutter away from me and onto someone else.

The difference between MLT and MH's votes is simple: MLT did not offer a logic (and maybe she should be pushed to do so), BH offered rationale based on the fact that (a) he likes Destiny (this is irrelevant to me, I like Destiny too, but I'm not voting on people just because I like them) and (b) because being on the Council might be "good to give him encouragement to stick in at the game".

This directly implies that MH acknowledges that Destiny may not "stick in" at the game.

I prefer to give the Council seats to folks that are likely to be engaged in the game and not to wave them around as some carrot to prompt activity.

But maybe that's just me.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Tha Black Phenom: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 2 (michgcs, d_w_w)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (BHK1978)

[d_w_w]

Very valid point so I guess going by that I shall:

Change elect: mjdgoldeneye

Hands down one of the more active players we have so we know he shall be around. He claims to have a weaker role at this time. I will say that I do not trust him (because anyone can say anything and until proven otherwise we shall not know) or anyone for that matter but I am willing to give him a shot for now.

/waves his fist at BHK for posting when he was posting.

Anyhow, my other main point is that you are right: we should try to figure out the logic/rationale for why people are supporting the people that they are supporting.

This might help us to make better choices for the Council and give some useful information for later in the game.

Having said all of that: I am unopposed to MJD being on the Council.

[GruntMark]

Having said all of that: I am unopposed to MJD being on the Council.

/nod

No problems with MJD.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Having said all of that: I am unopposed to MJD being on the Council.

/nod

No problems with MJD.

He's fine by me.

Elect: mjdgoldeneye

Wait... Oh, nevermind...

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Tha Black Phenom: 2 (Tha Black Phenom, SmartBomb)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 2 (michgcs, d_w_w)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[BHK1978]

/waves his fist at BHK for posting when he was posting.

Anyhow, my other main point is that you are right: we should try to figure out the logic/rationale for why people are supporting the people that they are supporting.

This might help us to make better choices for the Council and give some useful information for later in the game.

Having said all of that: I am unopposed to MJD being on the Council.

Well thus far it seems people either voted for people they like and or respect. Or they have voted for people because they believe these people gave valid enough reasons for them to cast a vote. In some cases I am thinking that we probably have a Scum teammate voting on another Scum. I am not sure who they are but I have to assume that is the case.

No vote really stands out to me as being off, well maybe the Jman vote...:D

[BHK1978]

Oh and I just want to weigh in on the two Miller things. I have a funny feeling that one is lying. Which I am sure others feel the same way as well. I am not sure which one I trust more because as of right now you would have to go by past games and well both have either killed me or tried to kill me in past games.:D

[Tha Black Phenom]

Oh and I just want to weigh in on the two Miller things. I have a funny feeling that one is lying. Which I am sure others feel the same way as well. I am not sure which one I trust more because as of right now you would have to go by past games and well both have either killed me or tried to kill me in past games.:D

Actually, if you read carefully, you may see why it's legit. And you may see there's more than two millers.

[praguepride]

He's fine by me.

Elect: mjdgoldeneye

Wait... Oh, nevermind...

hmmm...something seems off with this reasoning ;)

[moon_lit_tears]

Is there ever any logic when it comes to voting either in one of these Kingmaker games or in real life?

The same can be said about the MLT's vote behind you. Where was her logic?

I have friends that voted for Obama just because it was the cool thing to do. Where is the logic to that?

This should have been directed at me.

It's day 1

I chose someone who I've seen play both town and scum .

I chose someone who if town can be a great asset. (granted we don't know if he's town or not, but that's moot as no one is in the clear)

I chose someone who WILL be active. Otherwise he would not have signed up.

Plus, I chose who I wanted.

That's why I chose D_dub.

I will not vote for someone who ignores games no matter his alignment. I don't feel Destiny is the best choice. This is nothing personal against Destiny. He's a good guy, but just kinda reminds me a bit of UFC-King.....

[BHK1978]

This should have been directed at me.

It's day 1

I chose someone who I've seen play both town and scum .

I chose someone who if town can be a great asset. (granted we don't know if he's town or not, but that's moot as no one is in the clear)

I chose someone who WILL be active. Otherwise he would not have signed up.

Plus, I chose who I wanted.

That's why I chose D_dub.

I will not vote for someone who ignores games no matter his alignment. I don't feel Destiny is the best choice. This is nothing personal against Destiny. He's a good guy, but just kinda reminds me a bit of UFC-King.....

Ah but how do you know that Destiny is going to ignore the game? Do you have a crystal ball?:p

[SmartBomb]

Change Elect: GruntMark

This puts our choices at GruntMark, Paws and dww.

This Noble claim is... interesting. Sure, there might be a splinter cell of Nobles, which do not want to take over Dayordra. I...suppose I could buy that.

@mlt: We have no idea what power the officials get, but I'm pretty sure it's not control over lynches. Therefore, all we need to do is to elect someone town and will pay attention to the game.

Town > Leader of town who may be scum.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Jman2k3: 1 (Jman2k3)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Tha Black Phenom: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 3 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[SmartBomb]

Oh, and BP Millers?

There's John Cena (Suoer Silliness) Richard Philips (Host) John Cena (GDS Mafia).

Off the top of my head.

[GruntMark]

Oh, and BP Millers?

There's John Cena (Suoer Silliness) Richard Philips (Host) John Cena (GDS Mafia).

Off the top of my head.

See. Some people have an great memory for this.

I really dont.

The next game I design will probably be CFC set somewhere else. :p

(Okay, Im not THAT bad.)

[eayragt]

It's Gnat Dish Creek!

And there's a... tornado!

[GruntMark]

Tornados are way scarier than hurricanes.

Maybe a different southern weather tradition? Light snow fall and some ice that makes everyone go COMPLETELY CRAZY.

[i effin rule]

Tornados are way scarier than hurricanes.

Maybe a different southern weather tradition? Light snow fall and some ice that makes everyone go COMPLETELY CRAZY.

How about unbearable humidity.

[Ranson]

You could all always vote for the (virtual) newbie who is easily steered by others, and has an eminently sacrifice-able minor role.

Just sayin'. I don't mind a target on my back.

[GruntMark]

You could all always vote for the (virtual) newbie who is easily steered by others, and has an eminently sacrifice-able minor role.

Just sayin'. I don't mind a target on my back.

The last time I supported the newbie they were the serial killer. :p

[Jman2k3]

I would like to be elected.

-I've never campaigned before, because in the past I felt whatever role I had at the time would be more beneficial outside the spotlight. Not so this time.

-I am bulletproof, so I will not be forgoing any night abilities if elected.

-Because I'm bulletproof its unlikely you'll have to risk replacing me.

-I'm more than competent at hunting scum, in the rare games I'm not scum. :p

-In the interest of full disclosure, I'm this games Miller. Which is probably the tradeoff for being bulletproof.

Interesting.

Change Elect Vote: Gruntmark

Elect: Destiny. I have a power role, and as a member of the council I can use it more wisely, which would be nice.

Sure you do.

We do have democracy in Britain, GruntMark. I can still use my Power Role, but it will be easier if I am in the council.

If it's so powerful what is it.

Elect : Destiny

Why? Because I care for El Desterino, plus it would be fun/good to give him encouragement to stick in at the game.

If he needs encouragement to stay in the game he shouldn't be playing it then.

Well thus far it seems people either voted for people they like and or respect. Or they have voted for people because they believe these people gave valid enough reasons for them to cast a vote. In some cases I am thinking that we probably have a Scum teammate voting on another Scum. I am not sure who they are but I have to assume that is the case.

No vote really stands out to me as being off, well maybe the Jman vote...:D

I'm a better choice than most the candidates on the list lets just say that. ;)

[moon_lit_tears]

Ah but how do you know that Destiny is going to ignore the game? Do you have a crystal ball?:p

Tell me the last game he put a good effort into. If it's within the past year, I'll give him my vote. I don't mean one or two phases either.

[BHK1978]

Well he was putting an effort into Prague's game before you all mis-lynched him.:p

[i effin rule]

[QUOTE=i effin rule;1399838]It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 2 (Ranson. eayragt)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Tha Black Phenom: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 4 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Tornados are way scarier than hurricanes.

Maybe a different southern weather tradition? Light snow fall and some ice that makes everyone go COMPLETELY CRAZY.

Am I gonna get hit with it twice again!?!?

[praguepride]

Well he was putting an effort into Prague's game before you all mis-lynched him.:p

I can /nod to that. He was following along until Taker framed him and town dropped votes letting scum speed lynch.

It was a mistake claiming double voter though as scum vote manip'd him the entire game.

Now, you think I'd be worried about scum manipulating me due to me coming out but I factored that into my overall plan.

Yes. I have a plan.
Yes, this had a purpose.
In my head it's all worked out.

[moon_lit_tears]

I can /nod to that. He was following along until Taker framed him and town dropped votes letting scum speed lynch.

It was a mistake claiming double voter though as scum vote manip'd him the entire game.

Now, you think I'd be worried about scum manipulating me due to me coming out but I factored that into my overall plan.

Yes. I have a plan.
Yes, this had a purpose.
In my head it's all worked out.

I don't trust you.....

[praguepride]

I don't trust you.....

Based on what? That I full claimed D1 or that I'm the only confirmed townie that I know of and thus adamant about getting a very important seat that will potentially effect the course of the town?

[GruntMark]

Am I gonna get hit with it twice again!?!?

That was really unfortunate.

Though...Im kinda happy it happened mostly to you guys. Seeing as how you won anyway, no one can really say the RNG decided the game.

[GruntMark]

Based on what? That I full claimed D1 or that I'm the only confirmed townie that I know of and thus adamant about getting a very important seat that will potentially effect the course of the town?

Im not really sure Id go as far as "confirmed."

But in light of how the game is apparently set up, I do feel better about your role than I did this morning.

[Paws7297]

Thinking that as he is bulletproof Gruntmark would be good for one of the officials roles..

I'm active (usually), not killed often, and would love to be another one of the officials also....

[GruntMark]

Thinking that as he is bulletproof Gruntmark would be good for one of the officials roles..

I'm active (usually), not killed often, and would love to be another one of the officials also....

My only problem with you is the constant changing avatars confuses me. :p

[Paws7297]

My only problem with you is the constant changing avatars confuses me. :p
Nyah. :p

it's not my fault.. I can't stand having the same old avatar. I need my creativity somewhere.

Though if everyone else did that I would too get confused and not like it. lol

*cough* Crychon */cough*

[Jaded]

Vote elect: Paws7297

She's active, she's a good player, but if she IS scum she's not as scary as Wallbanger or praguepride, for example. Worth giving her a go.

[Tha Black Phenom]

That was really unfortunate.

Though...Im kinda happy it happened mostly to you guys. Seeing as how you won anyway, no one can really say the RNG decided the game.

Mother Nature hates Alpha males, it's understandable. :cool:

[moon_lit_tears]

Based on what? That I full claimed D1 or that I'm the only confirmed townie that I know of and thus adamant about getting a very important seat that will potentially effect the course of the town?

Well you're not exactly confirmed. :p

But I just don't know......

[Imarevenant]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 3 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Tha Black Phenom: 1 (Tha Black Phenom)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 4 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Oh, the ride off me is gone then, eh. Kinda forgot I willingly took my name off.

Change Elect: No Elect

Homer: Don't look at me. I voted for Kodos.

[masterded]

Seeing as I am going to wait some hours to vote I am leaning towards grunt.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Meh, right now it seems to be between d_w_w and mjd and I have no opinion either way, so:

Elect: Meow Mix.. I mean Paws

[Paws7297]

Meh, right now it seems to be between d_w_w and mjd and I have no opinion either way, so:

Elect: Meow Mix.. I mean Paws
I don't go there anymore. How could you possibly put Meow Mix?

[Imarevenant]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 4 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[Tha Black Phenom]

Because I remember. And quite frankly, Meow Mix > Paws726734543275435 :D

[moon_lit_tears]

Because I remember. And quite frankly, Meow Mix > Paws726734543275435 :D

But mine is the best!!!

[Paws7297]

But mine is the best!!!
R.O.B. would win. IMO

Lynch: snow to keep this on topic. And I really really really really reallyxinfinitie hate winter.

[masterded]

Because I remember. And quite frankly, Meow Mix > Paws726734543275435 :D

I agree if I ever have a cat it will be name Sir Meow Mix gender be damned.

[GruntMark]

I agree if I ever have a cat it will be name Sir Meow Mix gender be damned.

All dogs are boys and all cats are girls.

(Not the right clip, but close?)

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[praguepride]

So, I know why people are voting for Desters and G-man, they both claimed at least something.

But why Paws?

[Paws7297]

So, I know why people are voting for Desters and G-man, they both claimed at least something.

But why Paws?
Because Paws is Paws.

[d_w_w]

Meh, right now it seems to be between d_w_w and mjd and I have no opinion either way, so:

Elect: Meow Mix.. I mean Paws

MJD seems more interested in the position than me, though I'm not sure which way that would sway your opinion.

MJD is not willing to roleclaim to get the position, something that I respect. I'm open to it, but it would mostly be because I'm super curious about how the council works. I'd definitely be willing to character claim, as my character doesn't really reveal anything about what my role does.

If it really comes down to the two of us, people should vote for whomever they trust more. In some sense, if you trust us equally, you should go with him, given that he wants it more.

Because Paws is Paws.

Hi Paws.

I'm honestly cautious about supporting you. For whatever reason, I have no ability to read you anymore (which is more even more unfortunate by the fact that you seemed, in HH2, to read me better than ever).

Would you be willing to give out some flavor information to support your bid? Not asking for a roleclaim, mind you.

[moon_lit_tears]

All males are dogs and all cats are girls.

(Not the right clip, but close?)

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Oh I so agree! :p

[praguepride]

/nod.

Just thinking about the last kingmaker, the king ended up revealing quite a bit. the best I can tell, Paws made one post about how people being elected shouldn't be B.s. and suddenly everyone rallies behind her.

Destiny is destiny and gets the usual Destiny support.
D_dubs is a solid player and shows willingness to spill.
MJD is active and engaged, no arguements there.
GM has claimed and his miller-ness is backed by two other players.


Those are players I'm thinking about supporting as my "clever ploy" is backfiring.




Also, I'd like to put myself out there to be one of the three... My role doesn't really have anything to it.. Risks and extras coming with the role of one of the officials would be fun.

Thinking that as he is bulletproof Gruntmark would be good for one of the officials roles..

I'm active (usually), not killed often, and would love to be another one of the officials also....


THAT is why Paws is leading in the votes? A bunch of fluff non sequiters and these two posts?

Forgive me for being a paranoid sore loser but that sounds like scum groundwork to me.

This plus her unexpected popularity? Not saying she doesn't deserve it, but her name isn't normally top of the "kingmaker" list.

[cappyboy]

Okay, I've FINALLY gotten caught up. I do so wish I'd thought to look for this game last night. It's only been 15 pages and y'all already have my head ready to explode.

Personally, I don't know I can support any of the candidates currently up for election. Anybody can say anything and be anything at this point of the game. I'm just glad nobody's nominated me yet so I don't have to turn anything down. As for the council, there's only one man I could possibly want on it right now. One candidate I'd be capable of trusting.

Elect: George O'Reilly

[Tha Black Phenom]

THAT is why Paws is leading in the votes? A bunch of fluff non sequiters and these two posts?

Forgive me for being a paranoid sore loser but that sounds like scum groundwork to me.

This plus her unexpected popularity? Not saying she doesn't deserve it, but her name isn't normally top of the "kingmaker" list.

Dude, I gave way less than Paws away and I got considered. It's not hard. Just don't, for example, force it too much by claiming you have a darned power role. You can do the usual D1 MJD padding of "town proof" or you can simply have your posts resonate town(some players are like that), show composure and offer yourself, a lot of things.

And here's what's different, and the reason why someone who isn't at the top of the "kingmaker" list is considered - because there's gonna be three of them. Not one. Three.

It's not even that, though. Usually, the big names are pitched at first for kingdom, until someone steps in and does all but roleclaim to gain support(just like you really). It's usually an experienced player who does it though, or someone simply proactive. So it's simple... we've gotten past the pitching stage. We're genuinely looking for officials, so the "list" isn't gonna be much relied on. With you and other people... dishing out their roles, and whatnot.

[praguepride]

Well, in the future I'll probably just keep my mouth shut and wait until D4 and spring a list and then die like most FI's.

I just wanted to be elected :(

[moon_lit_tears]

Well, in the future I'll probably just keep my mouth shut and wait until D4 and spring a list and then die like most FI's.

I just wanted to be elected :(

Now I feel bad. I'm sorry. :(

/run a off to cry.

[Jman2k3]

Well, in the future I'll probably just keep my mouth shut and wait until D4 and spring a list and then die like most FI's.

I just wanted to be elected :(

I've survived being a FI. :cool:

[moon_lit_tears]

I've survived being a FI. :cool:


But pretty much gave scum the win when you wouldn't believe me. :p

[michgcs]

So I am guessing you are both Noble Aligned[/B]. Which is a way to say I am and though pro town I come up bad.

Interesting developments.

Any special win condition issues for you GM (or your fellow Nobles)?

Willing to consider supporting one of you, probably GM, for the Council, pending your response.

Would prefer the other 2 members not be green, though.

I'm not green. I'm blue.

I'm Dayordra. I just wanted to throw that out there. :cool:

I'm this.

Personally, I'd support mjd, d_w_w, and GruntMark, but that's just me.

[Jman2k3]

But pretty much gave scum the win when you wouldn't believe me. :p

No idea what you are referring to. :o

[moon_lit_tears]

No idea what you are referring to. :o

Ask Grunt, and C-bot. I'm sure they like to rub it in. :p

[Prophet]

lol, that's right, don't take away my one contribution to the game now

This is why I need to learn at the seat of the master. :p

Well thus far it seems people either voted for people they like and or respect.

No one likes or respects me! :( I even gave a speech, and a slogan!

In all seriousness, I only put my name out there, because I felt it in my job description. I really am a retired official. I'm the Murtaugh of mafia!

Still uncertain where I'll lay my support, but there does appear to be some solid options, based on past track records. Although, the last time I played a Kingmaker game, I'm fairly certain I helped vote evil into power, and trusted someone who betrayed my beloved town of Springfield. *shakes fist angrily!*

[Jman2k3]

Ask Grunt, and C-bot. I'm sure they like to rub it in. :p

C-Bot botched the role. Last time I checked a mortician, regardless of being it part time, had knowledge of the human body, just saying. ;)

[moon_lit_tears]

C-Bot botched the role. Last time I checked a mortician, regardless of being it part time, had knowledge of the human body, just saying. ;)

Just because you know the body doesn't mean you know who killed the person. Role was awesome!

Also I didn't vote DWW because I respect him. I stated why so BHK is a tad off.

[SmartBomb]

I am: Vas Slotnard, Dayordra Aligned Keeper of the Dead.

Never did bring this up...

Prague, any mention of taxidermy?

Aka, your role being broken?

[Wallbanger]

No one likes or respects me! :( I even gave a speech, and a slogan!

You did? You need to make them more memorable.

"'Banger Again! You Know You Want To."

See, that's memorable.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/Wallbanger1071/bangerbaconexplosion.jpg

That's memorable too.


In all seriousness, I only put my name out there, because I felt it in my job description. I really am a retired official. I'm the Murtaugh of mafia!

Obscure Klingon references FTW!

Still uncertain where I'll lay my support, but there does appear to be some solid options, based on past track records. Although, the last time I played a Kingmaker game, I'm fairly certain I helped vote evil into power, and trusted someone who betrayed my beloved town of Springfield. *shakes fist angrily!*

You could have voted for Cletus. ;)

[mjdgoldeneye]

You should vote for me because I'm awes-ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL.

...

NOTHING TO SEE HERE. I'M TOTALLY A TOWNIE. YOU SHOULD VOTE FOR ME BECAUSE I WON'T DESTROY ALL SENTIENT LIFE IN THE GALAXY OR ANYTHING. YEP.

[Undertaker666]

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g115/TheUndertakersGraveyard/Misc/campaign.jpg

[Comradebot]

Aaaaand here I am.

Finally.

[Comradebot]

And, having caught up...

Elect: GruntMark

I know him pretty well, I'd like to think. If he's telling the truth, which I think he is, then he'd make a great leader.

[praguepride]

Never did bring this up...

Prague, any mention of taxidermy?

Aka, your role being broken?



No, it just says what I do , when I do it, and how U am the best there is at it.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 5 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[praguepride]

So unless people move their votes around, the 3 will be:

Gruntmark
Paws7297
d_w_w

[Tha Black Phenom]

I guess mjd's still in the running, as well.

Noted, d_w_w. I just didn't exactly know who to go for yet, but I might make my mind up soon enough when I get home(or someone else will have decided by then). That said, I wouldn't mind having Paws give a little bit more, as after all, PP has sort of a point.

[GruntMark]

There is also, almost half a day left.

And 8 people havent even voted.

And all PP needs is one vote to be on the list. (As does MJD and Destiny)

Its not really settled.

[Destiny]

I could do with one vote to be appointed as a member of the council, or I'll likely die.

[d_w_w]

I guess mjd's still in the running, as well.

Noted, d_w_w. I just didn't exactly know who to go for yet, but I might make my mind up soon enough when I get home(or someone else will have decided by then). That said, I wouldn't mind having Paws give a little bit more, as after all, PP has sort of a point.

/nod. As previously stated, I'd like to see her play ball a bit.

So unless people move their votes around, the 3 will be:

Gruntmark
Paws7297
d_w_w

There is also, almost half a day left.

And 8 people havent even voted.

And all PP needs is one vote to be on the list. (As does MJD and Destiny)

Its not really settled.

/nod

I won't campaigning for a position after this post today. If folks want me on the council, I'm eager to the job and will obviously do my best. If folks want someone else, that's fine too.

As I won't be around today, here's some info:

I do not have a conventional power role.
I am Dayordra Aligned.
My character would be a very unlikely candidate for any public office in most countries on Earth, but characters like mine often have significant political power, especially south of the border.

At this point in the phase, I don't see any reason to give out any additional information.

I could do with one vote to be appointed as a member of the council, or I'll likely die.

I'm not terribly sympathetic to you right now.

1. You made your choice about how to try to secure a council position.
2. There is no guarantee that being on the Council will provide you with any safety.

As it stands, I'm going to leave my support behind GM and will be off for most of the rest of the day.

[Destiny]

I've been very active already in this game as a show of faith to prove that I will be a worthy council member.

[moon_lit_tears]

I've been very active already in this game as a show of faith to prove that I will be a worthy council member.

It's day 1....

[Destiny]

You're right, it's only Day One yet I have made a significant amount of posts already.

[GruntMark]

Does phase end at 7:30 EST?

The time zone isnt on the recent updates, and I want to be clear incase my vote turns out to be important.

[i effin rule]

Does phase end at 7:30 EST?

The time zone isnt on the recent updates, and I want to be clear incase my vote turns out to be important.

Yes it is. Sorry.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm EST on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 2 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 5 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[Destiny]

I appreciate that GruntMark will be elected, but we should still be weary of him.

[Wallbanger]

OK, we've got about six hours left, and there's still some flux.

Grunt and Paws are out in front at the moment, which I'm good with.

Here's my biggest worry about putting a power role in -- it makes them a target and dead councilors mean new elections. New elections mean no lynches. Power claims (unless they truly fit, ala Grunt) throw more volatility into the mix than I think is prudent.

Presuming I'm out of consideration (which is not a hint to a power role, just acknowledging that I'm behind in the polls) of the remaining folks I lean towards the FLAVA. I just wonder if there's meat underneath the FLAVA.

Not voting yet, but Destiny is forefront on my mind at the moment.

[Destiny]

Wallbanger, I promise you that there is sufficient meat underneath the FLAVA, and I can be of great help in council.

[Prophet]

You did? You need to make them more memorable.

"'Banger Again! You Know You Want To."

See, that's memorable.

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s59/Wallbanger1071/bangerbaconexplosion.jpg

That's memorable too.

Knew I should've spent that money on cool campaign signs, instead of that sprinkly donut. Darn you, sprinkles!


Obscure Klingon references FTW!

Totally accidental. I was going for an overt Lethal Weapon reference. lol

You could have voted for Cletus. ;)

I think I did, but it was a tad too late. lol Don't suppose you have some leftover moonshine to sway my vote this time, do ya?

Right, since I have to do this work thing ... gah, I hates muh job! I suppose I should hit the ballot box. I'm gonna vote for ... Carrie Underwood to be the next American Idol!

No, wait, wrong poll. Elect: d_w_w ... because if it can't be me, it should be someone who has the shortest name to type. :p (And because I trust D_dub to lead us to prosperity ... and hope I'm not once again bitten on the tookus for it. lol)

[i effin rule]

It is now D1 and you have until 7:30pm EST on Thursday, February 3rd to elect your officials.

praguepride: 1 (praguepride)
d_w_w: 3 (moon_lit_tears, Dragonmack, Prophet)
Paws7297: 4 (Ranson. eayragt, Jaded, Tha Black Phenom)
Destiny: 2 (Destiny, MichiganHero)
Wallbanger: 1 (Undertaker666)
GruntMark: 5 (michgcs, d_w_w, SmartBomb, JMan2k3, Comradebot)
mjdgoldeneye: 2 (BHK1978, mjdgoldeneye)

[moon_lit_tears]

No, wait, wrong poll. Elect: d_w_w ... because if it can't be me, it should be someone who has the shortest name to type. :p (And because I trust D_dub to lead us to prosperity ... and hope I'm not once again bitten on the tookus for it. lol)

Could have just typed MLT! That's even shorter than D_w_w :p

[i effin rule]

The Leaders

GruntMark: 27.8%
Paws7297: 22.2%
d_w_w: 16.7%

[cappyboy]

Could have just typed MLT! That's even shorter than D_w_w :p

Only because of the spacing characters.