Lakeside's Grand Finale (Mafia)

[Midnightnick]

Also. Music Mythology's game thread is up.

Get to gettin'.

[The Archer]

okay, let me go get things together. i work 4 on 3 off. go back in tomorrow. have to be there at 3pm its after 4am, so i may not be back on before i leave. and i want the lakeside aligned to have the info i have.

[Midnightnick]

I'm calling it a night as well, and I may be out tomorrow too. So. Oy.

[blackphoenix]

Well they said don't quote your Pms word for word.

Lets say its described as me walking to find Bear and I turn a corner and I am not where I expected to be.

The way its worded I am not 100% certain if it means no one was there at all, or that no one that could be hired was there.

It sounds like the first though. I'd say.. 90% certain on that.



Alas, I am not lying. Moe has already confirm that I hire people and that that blocks them from doing what they originally intended to do.

Unless you start thinking that multiple people are all lying for me, ya gotta start putting down the paranoia pipe.

I doubt Bear would lie. At one point I was fairly close to being lynched. All it would take is for one watcher or tracker to maybe expose Bear as a liar.

TBH I am hoping BP watched me. Maybe she can confirm my story.

Sorry to everyone I blew the night phase. I entered my target before I left for work (LostRelms), but was advised that I couldn't track him after I had left for work in the deli with no computer access and was unable to change it or realised what happened til I got back just now.

What this does however confirm to me totally is that LostRelms is not part of the Undead issue.

Since everyone obviously knows that I'm the tracker, (and I can't believe no-one else figure the lynch part out) the reason we were able to lynch Aussie is because I knew where he was, as hinted at in the day phase write up.

While he was missing he wasn't missing against his will, ie he was taken and then went off to do his zombie thing. I believe Lostrelms is missing against his will and that's why I couldn't find him like I found Aussie.

There is one thing that really disturbs me this game is that lack of information sharing considering the large number of players. Silence is not helping the town at all...

Seriously people it's time to start taking some risks so we know what the hell is going on.

[The Archer]

Sorry to everyone I blew the night phase. I entered my target before I left for work (LostRelms), but was advised that I couldn't track him after I had left for work in the deli with no computer access and was unable to change it or realised what happened til I got back just now.

What this does however confirm to me totally is that LostRelms is not part of the Undead issue.

Since everyone obviously knows that I'm the tracker, (and I can't believe no-one else figure the lynch part out) the reason we were able to lynch Aussie is because I knew where he was, as hinted at in the day phase write up.

While he was missing he wasn't missing against his will, ie he was taken and then went off to do his zombie thing. I believe Lostrelms is missing against his will and that's why I couldn't find him like I found Aussie.

There is one thing that really disturbs me this game is that lack of information sharing considering the large number of players. Silence is not helping the town at all...

Seriously people it's time to start taking some risks so we know what the hell is going on.

that sucks about your ability. and that is interesting. now for the last part hope this makes you happy. ;)

my game experience was one game. as i was one of takers group in dott. he bused me like he did the most of the group. work got me there. but i have to admit night 1 here reminds me of night 1 there. the whole taker effin rule mr wrestling mess outside takers house. remember? well as it was my only game on here i do. i had arrows as scum first day that is why i went after him night 1. got switcehd to midnights. didnt think much of it until the evidence started to mount. then i couldnt figure out which one was taker and which one was effin. of course as you will see with the results it is easy to figure out.

i work 12-16 4 days on 3 off. by the time i got on yesterday. whatever happened to aussie had been done.


and whoever targetted arrows ended up at midnights. i got that.

that would have been me. ;)

again. for it to be a bus driver then the other would happen also right?

already knew the answer to this question. ;)

well maybe i should ask you a couple of questions. would a evil sounding and acting bodyguard be something that you would know something about? and was arrows leading the post count when the day phase ended or were you?

still think this was your guy you assigned to protect you!

nope it just adds another layer to it. someone else mentioned the veteran as pulling the strings based on who was killed. like i said i am willing to look at midnight also.

;)

i'm not assuming anything based on post whoring. i am looking at is he was protected by a not so nice bodyguard. if he was lakeside aligned why wouldn't he be able to be investigated? if he is scum then he is important. he was protected.

this got me to thinking.

then of the two who seems to be the more important?

and i asked this question.

midnight are you aligned with arrows?

and asked.

and then everything you say points in the other direction.



that would be if you are town. :rolleyes:

trying to figure out if you are connected.

i am not into hope. nor am i into falling for alot of bs.

the post whoring is a bunch of crap.

the only problem is that i dont have the resources that it appears that are at your beck and call.

;)

something i was wondering while sitting in my treestand this morning. why imac? pertija has at least been active.

either they are with him, or....

would you consider your role an important one?

because even though my role gives me alignment and a clue to role. i didnt recieve a hint on you. for 'various reasons' this led me to believe that you were very important based on how its worded. your alignment came up lakeside aligned though. same as a don would. but you are too important to recieve a hint on? come on.

but important enough to have a burly bodyguard outside?

think we may have the don here.

night 1 when you were switched with arrows. he ended up with a bodyguard.

cause i still find it hard to believe that is a good guy. maybe it is, but i doubt it.

you got lucky with aussie. you know what my gut tells me?

my gut told me that arrows was scum. and guess what he is non lakeside aligned. imagine that. and that while others may be swayed by his lies, i wouldnt be. the post crap is bs. ;)

it didnt at first. but the evidence is mounting.

if you hadn't come to his defense then i doubt that i would have been so easy to change my mind on you.

well good for us. now, you will forgive me if i somehow doubt you.

:D

when does it move to more than opinion?

now that was a leading question.:D

I'm not saying you have to keep me alive if you don't want. If you feel that strongly I'm scum.

Go and lynch me. You'll just be missing out on a powerful townie (in terms of being able to lead the town, not role. My role isn't that powerful, since I can't tell the difference between the roles. For all I know, iMac or Pet could be the SK or a Zombie or something. Just like if they did have a gun, it doesn't auto-make them Mafia. They could be a cop or something.)



When you have either investigation results that prove it, you have my dead body hanging from the gallows, or you discover me dead in the morning. Since there's only so much you can trust from my word apparently.

that enough evidence for you both?

there you said it again.

not a important role.

sorry but you are scum. and i think that you are the bigger threat. arrows is scum too. but you are the more important one.

vote:midnightnick

midnight is the don and arrows is in his group. or they may be in two different mafia groups. but they are both scum. aussie looks like a bus. and being on takers team i should know what that looks like.

and now i will ask for protection. or at least watch me maybe i will be worth 3 scum. i will try and get on before work tomorrow.

[Derek B]

I'm caught up, just a couple of hundred posts to read with a mild hangover so I can't really complain. But there are a few things going on that I'm not convinced by regarding MNN. The first is Comradebot... I don't believe he has actually confirmed he is a roleblocker, only that he thinks he might be one going on what his PMs have said. If he IS a roleblocker then I'm sure it would say in his original PM, so there should be no doubt. I'd like to see some confirmation about that before I can consider his evidence against MNN to be damning. If he is a roleblocker than MNN certainly wouldn't be checking registries...

Which brings up my second point... I'm not at all convinced by MNN's claims about who he is checking out. It just seems odd to be checking out unknown quantities when there are guys like... well... ME, running around. If I was Nick I would at least have checked out some of the stronger players who ARE around rather than who has checked so far (no offense guys :)). I know he's tried explaining it but in my eyes it was not a very strong defense.

And lastly, I got a visit from someone last night who dropped off a poem to me. It seems to relate to the Undead fun we're all not experiencing but I'm waiting for the mods to come back on to confirm/deny that I can copy paste it from my PM. I'm not quite sure how to paraphrase verse... but I'd totally try to make it into a new poem if I needed to. :)

[Comradebot]

I'm caught up, just a couple of hundred posts to read with a mild hangover so I can't really complain. But there are a few things going on that I'm not convinced by regarding MNN. The first is Comradebot... I don't believe he has actually confirmed he is a roleblocker, only that he thinks he might be one going on what his PMs have said. If he IS a roleblocker then I'm sure it would say in his original PM, so there should be no doubt. I'd like to see some confirmation about that before I can consider his evidence against MNN to be damning. If he is a roleblocker than MNN certainly wouldn't be checking registries...

Which brings up my second point... I'm not at all convinced by MNN's claims about who he is checking out. It just seems odd to be checking out unknown quantities when there are guys like... well... ME, running around. If I was Nick I would at least have checked out some of the stronger players who ARE around rather than who has checked so far (no offense guys :)). I know he's tried explaining it but in my eyes it was not a very strong defense.

And lastly, I got a visit from someone last night who dropped off a poem to me. It seems to relate to the Undead fun we're all not experiencing but I'm waiting for the mods to come back on to confirm/deny that I can copy paste it from my PM. I'm not quite sure how to paraphrase verse... but I'd totally try to make it into a new poem if I needed to. :)


And I just happened to be online...

No, my original PM doesn't outright call me a roleblocker (as in it doesn't say "you may roleblock a person every night) but the wording in it definetly suggests that I'm a roleblocker.

SECONDLY, I targetted nZane night 1, and he said he was roleblocked by me.

In my book, that's enough to assume I roleblock the folks I target.

[Derek B]

And I just happened to be online...

No, my original PM doesn't outright call me a roleblocker (as in it doesn't say "you may roleblock a person every night) but the wording in it definetly suggests that I'm a roleblocker.

SECONDLY, I targetted nZane night 1, and he said he was roleblocked by me.

In my book, that's enough to assume I roleblock the folks I target.

I know the evidence you have, I just find it a little odd that your PM doesn't explicitly say what you do. But then, having a little mystery is always a good thing I suppose. Thanks for your post.

Vote: Midnightnick

[Moe Hunter]

Honestly, we're spoiled for choice. Anti comes up scum, Arrows comes up scum, MNN comes up town but "uninvestigatable"... I do wish we could lynch them all and didn't have to waste our second lynch on The Aussie (I mean, it worked for us, but we so could have had Anti yesterday!)

Since there's votes forming on MNN (and honestly his stories aren't adding up and if he can suggest I might be scum, I'm sure I can do likewise!)...

Vote: Midnightnick

[blackphoenix]

I'm not sold on this at all really.

Some people seem amazingly convinced but I'd like some hard evidence considering we've only gotten information from a few poeple.

Not offence to gruntmark but I'm still sus after my night 1 investigation. I want to try the I don't know the mod didn't let me know anything play someday.

[trypio]

Okay, here we go...

Last night I was a Hider. I chose to hide behind Trypio. Depending on the way that my hiding works (not like it's my permanent ability for me to be able to figure it out) but there's a chance that I die for hiding behind scum.

My PM told me to choose carefully. It could be just about not hiding behind people who are going to die, but just in case, you know? I figure I'd put it out there.

Well, I successfully hid behind Trypio. Well, I hid in his house at least. I don't think I hid physically behind him.

Yup, my house was well protected. :)

[machinesxe]

Vote: Midnightnick

Been gone all weekend and just got caught up.Nick, seems like your gut isn't helping us chane our mind.

[mistaken]

Anyone want to try and come up with a good reason why a gunsmith wouldn't be block-able?

this isn't looking good for nick, and would explain his gut, BUT...

I can't believe that gruntmark won't have something to add when he pops back in, so I am going to hold off casting a vote until further results are in.

[Moe Hunter]

Hey, just remembering how there were no kills last night... One of them could be explained by me hiding last night - maybe I was a target.

[Antithesis]

Wait so Aik, MJ, and now Archer are all investigators?


Just to be sure... Archer is saying Midnight came up town but another part of his role couldn't be discovered?

Arrows comes up non town... anything special about his role?


I know I am waiting on MJ to share some info but if we have 3 investigators at least one of them has to be off in some fashion, insane, naive... whatever.

[Derek B]

Good point, though I can't imagine you would be top of a mafia hitlist just now. You haven't MQM'ed anyone to the gallows yet.

Also, I'm still waiting for confirmation that I can quote the poem I received from someone in my PM. I know it's only early in the USofA just now so I'm just going to keep on being patient. Also, for those who care we put our clocks back an hour in the UK last night. Took me a few minutes to work out what was wrong with my clocks but after some thought I worked it out. :)

[Antithesis]

I do wish we could lynch them all

You are awfully bloodthirsty for someone who's alignment isn't certified.

[Actarus]

Nick, seems like your gut isn't helping us chane our mind.

Poor Nick's gut :p

Okay, so time for me to share my newfound wealth of information! Well, not really. So there does exist a virus: the dreaded Z virus (duh duh duuuhhh!). Also, when it has been passed once, it becomes non-contagious strain.

Now for my speculation: I assume the Z stands for zombie, so our zombie problem is due to a virus; a safe assumption. This next part I'm not so sure about, but I think a zombie cannot turn another person into a zombie, so whoever Aussie targeted night one is not in danger of becoming a brain eater, though I wonder why Aussie targeting someone didn't seem to do anything? Also, who made the virus? And who's distributing the virus? If I'm right, then my guess is someone(s) is/are collecting townies and infecting them directly since it can't be passed on from host to host.

Remember, speculation! Not to be taken as fact.

Anti, you may have answered this already and I missed it, so I ask: WHY are you recruiting / hiring people?

Nick, I'm inclined to agree with much of what's been said here, but I'm going to hold off until others come on (mj, etc) to share their PM information before casting a vote.

[Moe Hunter]

You are awfully bloodthirsty for someone who's alignment isn't certified.
Says the guy who comes up scum. Nicely played.

Also, when it has been passed once, it becomes non-contagious strain.

This next part I'm not so sure about, but I think a zombie cannot turn another person into a zombie, so whoever Aussie targeted night one is not in danger of becoming a brain eater, though I wonder why Aussie targeting someone didn't seem to do anything?
My take on that would be that Aussie could infect Grunt, but Grunt can't infect anyone else. Still, it's up in the air.

[Moe Hunter]

Good point, though I can't imagine you would be top of a mafia hitlist just now. You haven't MQM'ed anyone to the gallows yet.
Bolded the important part. Plus as far as they knew, chances are I'd be protecting full time and bluffing about my ability being unstable.

Hell, what if I'm still bluffing? I could have any sort of other random stuff going on :P

[The Archer]

Wait so Aik, MJ, and now Archer are all investigators?


Just to be sure... Archer is saying Midnight came up town but another part of his role couldn't be discovered?

Arrows comes up non town... anything special about his role?


I know I am waiting on MJ to share some info but if we have 3 investigators at least one of them has to be off in some fashion, insane, naive... whatever.

first part was switched to midnight's. came up lakeside aligned. but when asked about the hint to their role that i am supposed to get, was told that usually yes, but in this case no for various reasons. what reasons would there be for a a hint not to be given about him being a gunsmith? cant think of one. except that that would blow his story and confirm that he isnt who he says he is.

now onto arrows


my gut told me that arrows was scum. and guess what he is non lakeside aligned. imagine that. and that while others may be swayed by his lies, i wouldnt be. the post crap is bs. ;)


vote:midnightnick

midnight is the don and arrows is in his group. or they may be in two different mafia groups. but they are both scum. aussie looks like a bus. and being on takers team i should know what that looks like.




i dont know how much of it i can repeat without breaking the rules. but the pm obviously led me to believe that he is full of crap. and that with my ability i can see thru his lies.

[Derek B]

Oh great... a Z virus. Sounds like we've got some kind of undead cult thing going on then. :(

[The Archer]

and before you ask. Lakeside Aligned Searcher of Truth

i am all in.

[The Archer]

interesting seeing those that have been in the thread and have not even weighed in.

[mistaken]

My take on that would be that Aussie could infect Grunt, but Grunt can't infect anyone else. Still, it's up in the air.

that's kinda how i read it.

[GruntMark]

Grunt did you busdrive Me or Bear Night 2?

If he didn't then there is another busdriver out there (most likely scum imo).

Sorry team, just got in from the woods.

And yes, I flipped Tha Black Phenom and Antithesis last night.

[Midnightnick]

I'm caught up, just a couple of hundred posts to read with a mild hangover so I can't really complain. But there are a few things going on that I'm not convinced by regarding MNN. The first is Comradebot... I don't believe he has actually confirmed he is a roleblocker, only that he thinks he might be one going on what his PMs have said. If he IS a roleblocker then I'm sure it would say in his original PM, so there should be no doubt. I'd like to see some confirmation about that before I can consider his evidence against MNN to be damning. If he is a roleblocker than MNN certainly wouldn't be checking registries...

Which brings up my second point... I'm not at all convinced by MNN's claims about who he is checking out. It just seems odd to be checking out unknown quantities when there are guys like... well... ME, running around. If I was Nick I would at least have checked out some of the stronger players who ARE around rather than who has checked so far (no offense guys :)). I know he's tried explaining it but in my eyes it was not a very strong defense.

And lastly, I got a visit from someone last night who dropped off a poem to me. It seems to relate to the Undead fun we're all not experiencing but I'm waiting for the mods to come back on to confirm/deny that I can copy paste it from my PM. I'm not quite sure how to paraphrase verse... but I'd totally try to make it into a new poem if I needed to. :)

I'll address the second part. As I'm not the typical investigator, I just find out if people have guns. I rather go for the lesser known players because I just find out if they have a gun or not. If they have one or not, it doesn't make them scum or town, so. If I address a well known player and they are a scum that possesses a gun or not, they could easily turn it around.

Honestly, we're spoiled for choice. Anti comes up scum, Arrows comes up scum, MNN comes up town but "uninvestigatable"... I do wish we could lynch them all and didn't have to waste our second lynch on The Aussie (I mean, it worked for us, but we so could have had Anti yesterday!)

Since there's votes forming on MNN (and honestly his stories aren't adding up and if he can suggest I might be scum, I'm sure I can do likewise!)...

Vote: Midnightnick

So vicious Moe. But at least you're going for risk = reward. Even though there is no reward for lynching me. Outside of killing a townie.


Vote: Midnightnick

Been gone all weekend and just got caught up.Nick, seems like your gut isn't helping us chane our mind.

And all of your guts will be proven wrong if you think I'm scum.

Poor Nick's gut :p

Okay, so time for me to share my newfound wealth of information! Well, not really. So there does exist a virus: the dreaded Z virus (duh duh duuuhhh!). Also, when it has been passed once, it becomes non-contagious strain.

Now for my speculation: I assume the Z stands for zombie, so our zombie problem is due to a virus; a safe assumption. This next part I'm not so sure about, but I think a zombie cannot turn another person into a zombie, so whoever Aussie targeted night one is not in danger of becoming a brain eater, though I wonder why Aussie targeting someone didn't seem to do anything? Also, who made the virus? And who's distributing the virus? If I'm right, then my guess is someone(s) is/are collecting townies and infecting them directly since it can't be passed on from host to host.

Remember, speculation! Not to be taken as fact.

Anti, you may have answered this already and I missed it, so I ask: WHY are you recruiting / hiring people?

Nick, I'm inclined to agree with much of what's been said here, but I'm going to hold off until others come on (mj, etc) to share their PM information before casting a vote.

Anti recruits/hires people because he buys their services so he's protected.

And so be it. If you're going to vote for me, you're going to. I'm just going to repeat it's a mistake.

[Crychon]

I had this crazy thought last night, but chalked it up to paranoia. Now, hearing Comrade, it almost lends credibility to my assinine, and damn near looney thought.

MNN's gut feeling on Aussie the first night before Aussie even posted struck some people as bizarre. What if MNN knew? What if he's the mastermind behind the zombie creation? He's the one who first mentioned zombies, right? He plotted the lynch on The Aussie, wanting him to become a zombie, and didn't expect Crychon to try a second day lynch. When he came home, and saw it was rolling, he threw his name in ... the 16th vote. 16 2x4 swings later, The Aussie is dead.

Like I said, looney thought, but possible, yes?

Yeah, I think it's possible.

Prophet, I'm flattered that you think I'm that cunning.

You are though... As has been said many times, The Aussie, though he's a solid town player, usually finds a way to slip up when he's scum (Except in HH when he was George Bluth, that was Astil's fault).

It isn't THAT much of a stretch on the first day gameplan to say "Hey, I'm going to throw you under the bus so I'll look like gold, we can win this!"

Agreed.

As someone else theorized, I also think it could've been possible that Nick knew who Aussie was at the start, and that's why he had his "gut feeling". He finds scum, he becomes the hero.

Hell, and Aussie didn't even put up a fight. He just... gave up and let himself die. I honestly don't think Aussie is the type to just throw his hands up and waive a white flag.

Yeah, the fact that he didn't put up a fight is confusing to me... Unless he had a post restriction for being a zombie, or something.

So, Midnightnick, let me ask you something: Does your mother sew?

[The Archer]

I'll address the second part. As I'm not the typical investigator, I just find out if people have guns. I rather go for the lesser known players because I just find out if they have a gun or not. If they have one or not, it doesn't make them scum or town, so. If I address a well known player and they are a scum that possesses a gun or not, they could easily turn it around.



So vicious Moe. But at least you're going for risk = reward. Even though there is no reward for lynching me. Outside of killing a townie.




And all of your guts will be proven wrong if you think I'm scum.



Anti recruits/hires people because he buys their services so he's protected.

And so be it. If you're going to vote for me, you're going to. I'm just going to repeat it's a mistake.

funny how you failed to respond to me.

[Midnightnick]

Yeah, I think it's possible.



You are though... As has been said many times, The Aussie, though he's a solid town player, usually finds a way to slip up when he's scum (Except in HH when he was George Bluth, that was Astil's fault).

It isn't THAT much of a stretch on the first day gameplan to say "Hey, I'm going to throw you under the bus so I'll look like gold, we can win this!"



Yeah, the fact that he didn't put up a fight is confusing to me... Unless he had a post restriction for being a zombie, or something.

So, Midnightnick, let me ask you something: Does your mother sew?

It wouldn't just even be me saying "Oh I'm Throwing You Under A Bus", it'd be "Oh I'm going to be completely obvious as the Undead Overlord and risk any chance of me appearing town by doing this".

And does my mother sew? I have no idea. I imagine she would. Mothers sew, and a gunsmith would be a rather old character, and old mothers especially sew.

[Crychon]

It wouldn't just even be me saying "Oh I'm Throwing You Under A Bus", it'd be "Oh I'm going to be completely obvious as the Undead Overlord and risk any chance of me appearing town by doing this".

And does my mother sew? I have no idea. I imagine she would. Mothers sew, and a gunsmith would be a rather old character, and old mothers especially sew.

Well.... BOOM!

Vote: Midnightnick

Get her to sew that!

[Midnightnick]

funny how you failed to respond to me.

Do you expect me to suddenly give up and say I'm a Zombie Overlord or some form of Scum Archer?

I'm a Gunsmith. Plain and simple. If you decide to lynch me, you'll see my alignment is exactly what the investigation showed.

Lakeside aligned.

[Midnightnick]

Well.... BOOM!

Vote: Midnightnick

Get her to sew that!

Oh Crychon, what a mistake you're making. :rolleyes:

[Crychon]

Also, if things get too close, and not all of the info has come out... I guess I'll sew it myself, as I'm not going to help rush things.

[The Archer]

Do you expect me to suddenly give up and say I'm a Zombie Overlord or some form of Scum Archer?

I'm a Gunsmith. Plain and simple. If you decide to lynch me, you'll see my alignment is exactly what the investigation showed.

Lakeside aligned.

your zombie did.

[Midnightnick]

your zombie did.

Continue to believe that.

You're all at fault for unleashing him as well. I take responsibility for initially causing it due to my gut, and my gut alone. No help from anything else.

[Crychon]

Continue to believe that.

You're all at fault for unleashing him as well. I take responsibility for initially causing it due to my gut, and my gut alone. No help from anything else.

...So... You're sure that the lynch is what caused it...? And you NEEDED him to get lynched in order to unleash him as a zombie?

Is that what I'm hearing?

Because to me, this response makes it sound like you wanted him to get lynched, and just didn't expect us to do it again yesterday.

[Midnightnick]

...So... You're sure that the lynch is what caused it...? And you NEEDED him to get lynched in order to unleash him as a zombie?

Is that what I'm hearing?

Because to me, this response makes it sound like you wanted him to get lynched, and just didn't expect us to do it again yesterday.

It's inevitable anyway.

Prophet's situation he said early? Nothing but the truth. :o

[The Archer]

your zombie did.

Continue to believe that.

You're all at fault for unleashing him as well. I take responsibility for initially causing it due to my gut, and my gut alone. No help from anything else.

you keep holding to that story.

...So... You're sure that the lynch is what caused it...? And you NEEDED him to get lynched in order to unleash him as a zombie?

Is that what I'm hearing?

Because to me, this response makes it sound like you wanted him to get lynched, and just didn't expect us to do it again yesterday.


;)

[Crychon]

It's inevitable anyway.

Prophet's situation he said early? Nothing but the truth. :o

Hmm....

[The Archer]

It's inevitable anyway.

Prophet's situation he said early? Nothing but the truth. :o

is that what it sounds like? :eek:

[Midnightnick]

is that what it sounds like? :eek:

Yes, I'm a gunsmith.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 5 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon)

See any mistakes? Let us know.

Oh, and I'm only around for a few minutes. Errands, etc. Be back this afternoon.

[The Archer]

Yes, I'm a gunsmith.

okay, with a bodyguard.

[Midnightnick]

okay, with a bodyguard.

It's a player who targeted me Archer.

Not an ability that I have.

[The Archer]

It's a player who targeted me Archer.

Not an ability that I have.

sorry if i dont believe you.

[Midnightnick]

sorry if i dont believe you.

sorry that you're wrong.

[The Archer]

sorry if i dont believe you.

sorry i dont believe you.

[The Archer]

sorry that you're wrong.

do you really think i would have went all in this early on just a gut feeling?

[Midnightnick]

do you really think i would have went all in this early on just a gut feeling?

I did.

We learned there are in fact zombies from it.

[The Archer]

I did.

We learned there are in fact zombies from it.

and now we have a don and one of his boys from mine. of course with a little help from grunt.

[Midnightnick]

and now we have a don and one of his boys from mine. of course with a little help from grunt.

You seem so sureeeeeeeee that I'm a Don.

[The Archer]

You seem so sureeeeeeeee that I'm a Don.

lets just say that your story and what i got from my emails dont match.

[Midnightnick]

lets just say that your story and what i got from my emails dont match.

Let's just say i don't send people out to kill, and i'm not a cause for any of the deaths outside of the lynch of Aussie.

[The Shape]

Midnight did you see in one of my recent posts my recognition of what I thought was you hinting? Because if that's nod-worthy I'd be almost certain you're town...if not, I'll try to explain more clearly and we'll see where we're at.

[Midnightnick]

Midnight did you see in one of my recent posts my recognition of what I thought was you hinting? Because if that's nod-worthy I'd be almost certain you're town...if not, I'll try to explain more clearly and we'll see where we're at.

I didn't see the post, I'll go back and read it.

[The Shape]

In fact I did ramble a bit so let me set it more clearly...is your role a variation, perhaps an improvement of, one which astil has had before?

[Midnightnick]

In fact I did ramble a bit so let me set it more clearly...is your role a variation, perhaps an improvement of, one which astil has had before?

A role Astil has had? Which game? I think I know which one you're talking about.

[The Shape]

A role Astil has had? Which game? I think I know which one you're talking about.

A game similar to this...

[Midnightnick]

A game similar to this...

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same line of thinking Shape.

/Nod

[The Shape]

Yeah, I just wanted to make sure we were on the same line of thinking Shape.

/Nod

Ok. Then I need to catch up and see the case against you but at this stage I'd be real surprised if something changes my mind.

[Arrows]

i agree that the bodyguard is an actual person.

I'm starting to believe so too.

If this is what happened then the Mods are really hedging the PMs. The way my pm is worded I couldn't find anyone to hire.

That might mean you were there but not for hire, but my first PM actually had dialogue with me making an offer to Moe.

No dialogue here.

I seriously doubt I was involved with you leaving your place.

But like I said, if that is what happened, then the mods arent being consistent.

Alright. Still not entirely sure what happened, but I guess I'll look elsewhere.

arrows does the bonus change?

It can. It just likely won't throughout the course of this game. Make sense? If not, ask some questions, and we'll talk.

Honestly, we're spoiled for choice. Anti comes up scum, Arrows comes up scum, MNN comes up town but "uninvestigatable"... I do wish we could lynch them all and didn't have to waste our second lynch on The Aussie (I mean, it worked for us, but we so could have had Anti yesterday!)

Since there's votes forming on MNN (and honestly his stories aren't adding up and if he can suggest I might be scum, I'm sure I can do likewise!)...

Vote: Midnightnick

Who says I come up non town? I missed that post. They're right on that one. If you knew what my role was, you'd understand why there are negative parts. Depending on what I do, even my miller status can be changed, but that'd be a waste of a night phase to make that go away, considering I couldn't get anything else on top of it.

[Comradebot]

I've heard enough from myself, and from others


Vote: Midnightnick

[Arrows]

I've heard enough from myself, and from others


Vote: Midnightnick

Anyone happen to have a current vote count? I just woke up, and my mind's just...not all working yet. Really don't feel like scrolling through the phase looking for every vote and trying to keep track at the moment.

[Midnightnick]

I've heard enough from myself, and from others


Vote: Midnightnick

You've yet to you know. Hear from the investigators.

And I appeared as town you know? So like.

I'm not actual scum Comrade.

[Arrows]

And I appeared as town you know? So like.

I'm not actual scum Comrade.

Could be BIG scum. Again.

[Midnightnick]

Could be BIG scum. Again.

Could be, are not though.

[Comradebot]

Could be, are not though.

That's SO what big scum would say! :p

[Arrows]

That's SO what big scum would say! :p

Totally.

[Midnightnick]

That's SO what big scum would say! :p

No, I'd be giving up at this moment because you'd accurately have pegged me and nothing I could say or do would change your mind.

What's the use of fighting if you pegged me as scum and seem hellbent on it, and I am scum?

I'd be pulling what Moe did last game, and revealing my entire masterminded plot.

[The Archer]

I'm starting to believe so too.



Alright. Still not entirely sure what happened, but I guess I'll look elsewhere.



It can. It just likely won't throughout the course of this game. Make sense? If not, ask some questions, and we'll talk.



Who says I come up non town? I missed that post. They're right on that one. If you knew what my role was, you'd understand why there are negative parts. Depending on what I do, even my miller status can be changed, but that'd be a waste of a night phase to make that go away, considering I couldn't get anything else on top of it.

that would be me. and there is no doubt. no matter which way you try and spin it.

[Antithesis]

Sorry team, just got in from the woods.

And yes, I flipped Tha Black Phenom and Antithesis last night.

Why would you interfere with someone trying to prove his ability to the town?

Thats a ****ty thing to do.

[Midnightnick]

that would be me. and there is no doubt. no matter which way you try and spin it.

If he's a miller, he'd be coming up scum.

He even said he was a miller. So. :rolleyes:

[Midnightnick]

Why would you interfere with someone trying to prove his ability to the town?

Thats a ****ty thing to do.

Because he's obviously a zombie bus driver thanks to our dear departed fiend Aussie.

[Crychon]

No, I'd be giving up at this moment because you'd accurately have pegged me and nothing I could say or do would change your mind.

What's the use of fighting if you pegged me as scum and seem hellbent on it, and I am scum?

I'd be pulling what Moe did last game, and revealing my entire masterminded plot.

Because... That's what you're supposed to do...

Too many games recently, the scum have stopped fighting when they've been pegged... No, you're supposed to weasel your way out of it... Like you're doing, and you know that's how it's supposed to be.

[Arrows]

that would be me. and there is no doubt. no matter which way you try and spin it.

Archer, I know you don't play much with me. How much of the DotT game did you see? I saw you refer to it earlier, maybe I can help you out a bit here and explain WHY I come up a non town.

[The Archer]

If he's a miller, he'd be coming up scum.

He even said he was a miller. So. :rolleyes:

i get more than the alignment i have said that. you just keep forgetting those parts. keep talking and you keep defending him.

[Midnightnick]

Because... That's what you're supposed to do...

Too many games recently, the scum have stopped fighting when they've been pegged... No, you're supposed to weasel your way out of it... Like you're doing, and you know that's how it's supposed to be.

I'm not weaseling my way out of anything Crych.

I am a gunsmith.

I own a gun shop.

I check gun registries.

[Antithesis]

Because he's obviously a zombie bus driver thanks to our dear departed fiend Aussie.

I am really unhappy with that. It was pretty clear that I was gonna target Bear so someone else could see how my ability worked. Why the **** should he want to interfere with that?

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, Derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinsxe, Crychon, comradebot)

[Arrows]

i get more than the alignment i have said that. you just keep forgetting those parts. keep talking and you keep defending him.

What else did you get? Fairly interested.

[Midnightnick]

i get more than the alignment i have said that. you just keep forgetting those parts. keep talking and you keep defending him.

What else do you get? A roletitle?

If so, Arrows said what his was.

[Midnightnick]

I am really unhappy with that. It was pretty clear that I was gonna target Bear so someone else could see how my ability worked. Why the **** should he want to interfere with that?

Inept town or expert scum Anti.

You choose.

[Arrows]

What else do you get? A roletitle?

If so, Arrows said what his was.

Stop defending me, scummy. You TRYING to take me down with ya now?:p

[Midnightnick]

Stop defending me, scummy. You TRYING to take me down with ya now?:p

You've turned on me now too Arrows? For shame my brother!

I defend everyone if the need calls for it, and I accuse everyone if the need calls for it.

It's karmic justice.

[The Archer]

Archer, I know you don't play much with me. How much of the DotT game did you see? I saw you refer to it earlier, maybe I can help you out a bit here and explain WHY I come up a non town.

i get more than the alignment i have said that. you just keep forgetting those parts. keep talking and you keep defending him.

I'm not weaseling my way out of anything Crych.

I am a gunsmith.

I own a gun shop.

I check gun registries.

i am glad you are fighting. but you are more important than that.

[Midnightnick]

i am glad you are fighting. but you are more important than that.

You think I'm important because I had the bodyguard.

The bodyguard was a player who selected to protect me.

I am an important player. Not role.

[Arrows]

You've turned on me now too Arrows? For shame my brother!

I defend everyone if the need calls for it, and I accuse everyone if the need calls for it.

It's karmic justice.

I haven't made up my mind who to believe yet. That's the difficult part of being a townie who gets no actual information.

ONLY things I know about this game, are I was bus driven with you, some big dude kept me people from getting to me, and I wound up outside someone's house for NO apparent reason last night.

[Arrows]

i am glad you are fighting. but you are more important than that.

You never answered the question you quoted from me.

[Midnightnick]

I haven't made up my mind who to believe yet. That's the difficult part of being a townie who gets no actual information.

ONLY things I know about this game, are I was bus driven with you, some big dude kept me people from getting to me, and I wound up outside someone's house for NO apparent reason last night.

And all I know this game is, we got bus driven yes. A bodyguard decided to protect me night one and got sent to you.

iMac and Pet don't possess guns. I'm not an important role really, my roletitle is in blue, I am Lakeside aligned and I want all the scum dead. Living and unliving.

[The Archer]

What else do you get? A roletitle?

If so, Arrows said what his was.

i get a hint at role. along with the alignment.

Stop defending me, scummy. You TRYING to take me down with ya now?:p

i find it ironic that the only reason i suspected him in the first place was that he was defending you.

You think I'm important because I had the bodyguard.

The bodyguard was a player who selected to protect me.

I am an important player. Not role.

that and the result that i got.

You never answered the question you quoted from me.

which was?

[Arrows]

Anti, go to petrija tonight. She doesn't seem to do anything at night(She said she gets no night PM), so you wouldn't really be causing someone to lose their ability for the night.

[The Archer]

and i will be leaving in 15 minutes for work.

[Antithesis]

Well if the guard was town aligned, maybe he'd speak up to save a townie.

[The Shape]

A few things bugged me whilst catching up. Such as people saying PM's aren't specific enough...now I don't get one myself but surely the fact that you KNOW that part about you makes it so much more helpful than the best bigger writeups which are vague and so on? It has pros and cons and adds a new element but some people blaming the mods is just silly.

Oh and I refuse to vote on Midnight, because the thing I think he's hinting was such a random realisation that I really want it to be true, lol. I'd be more inclined to go for an Arrows lynch atm after the investigation result...assuming Midnight's the don based on him coming up town is so ****ing stupid, there's no point being an investigator if that's going to be your reasoning.

[Arrows]

Archer, I know you don't play much with me. How much of the DotT game did you see? I saw you refer to it earlier, maybe I can help you out a bit here and explain WHY I come up a non town.

What else did you get? Fairly interested.

Those two. You quoted the first in your response to MNN.

[Arrows]

i get a hint at role. along with the alignment.



i find it ironic that the only reason i suspected him in the first place was that he was defending you.



that and the result that i got.



which was?

I don't know WHY he was defending me. Defending me in a game of mafia is practically begging for your own lynching to come quick fast and in a hurry. Always seems to be that way.

[The Archer]

A few things bugged me whilst catching up. Such as people saying PM's aren't specific enough...now I don't get one myself but surely the fact that you KNOW that part about you makes it so much more helpful than the best bigger writeups which are vague and so on? It has pros and cons and adds a new element but some people blaming the mods is just silly.

Oh and I refuse to vote on Midnight, because the thing I think he's hinting was such a random realisation that I really want it to be true, lol. I'd be more inclined to go for an Arrows lynch atm after the investigation result...assuming Midnight's the don based on him coming up town is so ****ing stupid, there's no point being an investigator if that's going to be your reasoning.

listen the later part of your post makes you come off like a prick. i am not assuming. you can hold out hope that you are right about him if you want. you will be proven wrong.

Those two. You quoted the first in your response to MNN.

yours is pretty pointed. that you are silver tongued one. alludes to color. there isnt any doubt in my mind there.

[Arrows]

listen the later part of your post makes you come off like a prick. i am not assuming. you can hold out hope that you are right about him if you want. you will be proven wrong.



yours is pretty pointed. that you are silver tongued one. alludes to color. there isnt any doubt in my mind there.

My color is blue. Already shown that. Do you really think Astil/d_w_w would PURPOSELY throw a scum under the bus by saying something like that and meaning it how you think they do?

Silver tongued? Yep. That's about a fourth of my role.

[Imarevenant]

I' m not fully caught up yet but both Arrows and Midnight look scummy. So far it looks like we're having a bit of a THEDEMONSEED moment where a new player is met with more resistance when coming forth with infojust because we don't know the person.

I'll keep reading though maybe something will change my mind, although I doubt it.


Oh and Anti you can hire me for protection every night. I have no night ability at all.

[The Archer]

My color is blue. Already shown that. Do you really think Astil/d_w_w would PURPOSELY throw a scum under the bus by saying something like that and meaning it how you think they do?

Silver tongued? Yep. That's about a fourth of my role.

so you say. easy enough to change it, and post it.

[The Shape]

listen the later part of your post makes you come off like a prick. i am not assuming. you can hold out hope that you are right about him if you want. you will be proven wrong.

Waitwaitwait....I'M the prick here? lol reading through your posts throughout this thread has made my stomach churn quite frankly. Nothing to do with me not voting though....if MNN doesn't....step his claim up a level so to speak...soon, then I may reconsider, but for now I am fairly sure that you be barking up the wrong tree mistah.

[The Archer]

Waitwaitwait....I'M the prick here? lol reading through your posts throughout this thread has made my stomach churn quite frankly. Nothing to do with me not voting though....if MNN doesn't....step his claim up a level so to speak...soon, then I may reconsider, but for now I am fairly sure that you be barking up the wrong tree mistah.

you are the one that called me ****ing stupid. prickish? yes.

you aligned with midnight to?

[Arrows]

so you say. easy enough to change it, and post it.

You're right, it is.

However.

No mod. NO MOD. EVER.

Would blatantly say

"This person's role PM isn't the color he says it is."

If that ever happens, the person responsible needs to be banned from ever modding another game of mafia. That's how low of a shot that'd be on the entire game.

You mistook your PM. I'm not denying anything you got, I'm saying you're misreading that bit. My PM IS in blue.

[The Shape]

you are the one that called me ****ing stupid. prickish? yes.

you aligned with midnight to?

I think so. In fact i'm fairly sure.

[Midnightnick]

you are the one that called me ****ing stupid. prickish? yes.

you aligned with midnight to?

if by aligned with midnight, you mean lakeside. i imagine shape is a lakesider as well yes.

[The Archer]

You're right, it is.

However.

No mod. NO MOD. EVER.

Would blatantly say

"This person's role PM isn't the color he says it is."

If that ever happens, the person responsible needs to be banned from ever modding another game of mafia. That's how low of a shot that'd be on the entire game.

You mistook your PM. I'm not denying anything you got, I'm saying you're misreading that bit. My PM IS in blue.

then why are you getting so upset? cause it isnt blue, is it?

I think so. In fact i'm fairly sure.

your grave keep digging it.

if by aligned with midnight, you mean lakeside. i imagine shape is a lakesider as well yes.

dragging them all in with you.


okay i have to go to work. got to love choices. everybody seems to want to wear a sign.

[Arrows]

Not upset, just trying to make a point.

[The Archer]

Not upset, just trying to make a point.

and your response helps make mine.

[Arrows]

and your response helps make mine.

A mod would not say "This person's role color isn't what they claim", "This person has a different role color from you", or anything of the sort. Go back and think it over again, if it's there, must be another explanation.

[mjdgoldeneye]

To be honest, there are half a dozen people I'd vote for right now and midnightnick isn't one of them...

My Spider-Sense is tingling on someone, but all signs point away from voting for them.

Also, I didn't get anything good last night, but my flavor text was interesting.

Also also, thanks... You know who you are!

[Derek B]

"As one king falls,
Another ascends,
Leading towards the ultimate end.

More ruthless than ever,
More willing to bite,
With his work now no longer confined to the night."

This was sent to me last night but I've got no idea who it is from or how I got it. I asked the mods if I could copy/paste it and they confirmed I could. So... um... I know what I make of it, but I wonder what you guys make of it.

[Orange-kun]

assuming Midnight's the don based on him coming up town is so ****ing stupid, there's no point being an investigator if that's going to be your reasoning.

Lolol. I actually did that in the DBZ mafia, except the person (Decoy) was odd before (could not be targeted) and defended someone who turned up scum. He was Vegeta during the Saiyan Saga. :P

I dunno, the Bodyguard thing seems fishy, even fishier that no one has come up to say 'hey I'm the dude guarding him and I'm a good guy' seeing as Nick stirs up some good discussion. As he says, he is a strong player which is good for town if he is town and bad for town if not.

Although I'm kind of torn. MJD said Antithesis was scum. I'm wondering why we haven't tested that yet. I backed off last time to be cautious, but it is Day 3 and maybe time to take some risks. Town tends to lose when it is too cautious. Though I'll probably change my vote to Nick if this leads no where or MJD realizes he is indeed crazy or something.

Vote: Antithesis

[Orange-kun]

"As one king falls,
Another ascends,
Leading towards the ultimate end.

More ruthless than ever,
More willing to bite,
With his work now no longer confined to the night."

This was sent to me last night but I've got no idea who it is from or how I got it. I asked the mods if I could copy/paste it and they confirmed I could. So... um... I know what I make of it, but I wonder what you guys make of it.

I'm cynical so my first thought was zombie maker could make his zombie mojo during the daytime or something.

Though two kings, in fighting w/in a scum faction or fighting between two?

[Prophet]

A couple of things are nagging at me.

1 - There was nothing.

Though I did fail to mention, in the middle of the night, I got a PM saying someone texted me wanting to be BFF's with them. I figure that was Lostrelms... I responded simply asking who it was, as my natural paranoia (which has been amplified today... happens once ever few days) told me it was someone posing as Lostrelms and a trap to turn me into a zombie.

Instead, I think it actually might've been Lostrelms. Who may or may not be a zombie soon.

You got a text about being a BFF, and you asked who ... was that a text back to the person who texted you? Or was the who was it a question to the mods? Although, either way, a response admitting it's a zombie, or someone posing as Lostrealms seems suspicious ...

I never saw an answer to that question, so I still have a very suspicious of Comrade. Even moreso knowing that Lost can't be targetted.

2 - I'd still like more info. Like I said when I first speculated about MNN, it was all conjecture based on stuff in this thread. Which means it could very well be lunacy. Still some time to see who else got what last night ... and if MNN is telling the truth, which is entirely possible, I don't want to kill off another Lakesider, considering we are down two from the first night.

3 - Grunt, why'd you choose who you chose? Was it just a random name out of a hat, or was there more reason? This is more curiousity than anything.

4 - Did someone track Grunt last night? Or watch him? Or do any prying whatsoever into his whereabouts?

I think that's it. Being totally darkened in a dark game is maddening. lol

[Prophet]

"As one king falls,
Another ascends,
Leading towards the ultimate end.

More ruthless than ever,
More willing to bite,
With his work now no longer confined to the night."

This was sent to me last night but I've got no idea who it is from or how I got it. I asked the mods if I could copy/paste it and they confirmed I could. So... um... I know what I make of it, but I wonder what you guys make of it.

They said game 2 had a lone zombie king. My guess is he didn't survive the second game, but before he died, he left a virus, or something that infected another, allowing a new zombie king to come to power.

The second verse is interesting, though. The use of "bite" over fight, or spite or another word that could fit there, makes me wonder if our initial assumption of what The Aussie did night 1 is true. In which case, there could soon be a pyramid scheme of zombie biters roaming Lakeside.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, Derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinsxe, Crychon, comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

[Antithesis]

To be honest, there are half a dozen people I'd vote for right now and midnightnick isn't one of them...

My Spider-Sense is tingling on someone, but all signs point away from voting for them.

Also, I didn't get anything good last night, but my flavor text was interesting.

Also also, thanks... You know who you are!

Did the person you investigate come up Lakeside aligned or not.

and what was their name?

[The Shape]

your grave keep digging it.

You're just being ignorant, seriously. Going entirely off an assumption...that assumption being that because someone came up town, they are not. So forgive me for being incredulous. And the way you push it, the trying to laugh in people's faces because you're so certain they're scum no matter what, is something I've dabbled with in the past. And you just come off looking like a twat.

As for derek's poem...it looks interesting but it's kinda vague. How and when did you get it?

[Derek B]

As for derek's poem...it looks interesting but it's kinda vague. How and when did you get it?

Looks like it was delivered to me last night but I don't know how or by who. Can't say I was expecting to get anything so it was more than a little surprising to have it show up. But at least I didn't have to try and paraphrase it, no-one wants to see me attempting to trying to rewrite poetry.

[Midnightnick]

You're just being ignorant, seriously. Going entirely off an assumption...that assumption being that because someone came up town, they are not. So forgive me for being incredulous. And the way you push it, the trying to laugh in people's faces because you're so certain they're scum no matter what, is something I've dabbled with in the past. And you just come off looking like a twat.

As for derek's poem...it looks interesting but it's kinda vague. How and when did you get it?

And don't forget he seems so sure Arrows is scum when Arrows all but said he was a miller.

[The Shape]

And don't forget he seems so sure Arrows is scum when Arrows all but said he was a miller.

Well...I'm still not so sure about him.

[Slim Jim]

"As one king falls,
Another ascends,
Leading towards the ultimate end.

More ruthless than ever,
More willing to bite,
With his work now no longer confined to the night."

This was sent to me last night but I've got no idea who it is from or how I got it. I asked the mods if I could copy/paste it and they confirmed I could. So... um... I know what I make of it, but I wonder what you guys make of it.

My take? Aussie was the "top zombie". He was killed, someone else has taken control to complete their win condition. He is more of a threat and can infect people during the day as well as the night. It's probably GruntMark based on night one.

[Arrows]

And don't forget he seems so sure Arrows is scum when Arrows all but said he was a miller.

Did say I was a miller. Still don't know why you're defending me.

[Arrows]

My take? Aussie was the "top zombie". He was killed, someone else has taken control to complete their win condition. He is more of a threat and can infect people during the day as well as the night. It's probably GruntMark based on night one.

That's my take as well, and I agree that GruntMark could be a big threat if it's true. Would make sense, and we know Aussie was there.

[Midnightnick]

Did say I was a miller. Still don't know why you're defending me.

The above statement I made wasn't as much a defense of you, as pointing out that he got a town result back for me and is thinking I'm a don, while he's thinking you're scum when you said you would appear it.

It's relevant.

If I was going and saying ARROWS DIDN'T COMMIT THAT MURDER. That'd be unneeded defense.

[Slim Jim]

Oh and I meant to add in that last post that last night GruntMark was chanting to himself in an abandoned house.

Vote: GruntMark

[Arrows]

The above statement I made wasn't as much a defense of you, as pointing out that he got a town result back for me and is thinking I'm a don, while he's thinking you're scum when you said you would appear it.

It's relevant.

If I was going and saying ARROWS DIDN'T COMMIT THAT MURDER. That'd be unneeded defense.

Could be proven. There is NO way I murdered someone night 1.

[The Shape]

Also about the poem...nobody mentioned one of those yesterday. It makes me uncomfortable that somebody could be holding back something like that...

[Midnightnick]

Could be proven. There is NO way I murdered someone night 1.

I was using an example Arrows.

Not saying in this game.

[Arrows]

Oh and I meant to add in that last post that last night GruntMark was chanting to himself in an abandoned house.

Vote: GruntMark

Bus driver chant?

[Midnightnick]

Bus driver chant?

Or Zombie Chant.

[The Shape]

Midnight, another thing. Earlier on I saw you say that someone not having a gun clears them as mafia, but I'm not entirely sure that'd be true. I would think, with the role at hand, the key is whether they have (or indeed have the capacity to have, for future relevance) blood on their hands, and who's blood it is. Si?

[Slim Jim]

Could have been "Wheels On The Bus", I suppose but chanting to yourself in an abandoned house, whatever the intention, doesn't make me feel warm and fuzzy inside.

[Comradebot]

Oh and I meant to add in that last post that last night GruntMark was chanting to himself in an abandoned house.

Vote: GruntMark

Didn't he say his bus driving power came from a mystical source?

Magicians tend to chant more than zombies.

[Midnightnick]

Midnight, another thing. Earlier on I saw you say that someone not having a gun clears them as mafia, but I'm not entirely sure that'd be true. I would think, with the role at hand, the key is whether they have (or indeed have the capacity to have, for future relevance) blood on their hands, and who's blood it is. Si?

I'm not told that Shape, just if they own a gun or not. As I said, it's pretty basic.

The logic I'd see is. If they have a gun, they'd be a mafia, cop, Vigilante those kind of people.

If not, they're either SK, Zombie, Doctor, most conventional town roles.

[The Shape]

Or Zombie Chant.

I don't really see zombies chanting, but the person controlling them could be.

[The Shape]

I'm not told that Shape, just if they own a gun or not. As I said, it's pretty basic.

The logic I'd see is. If they have a gun, they'd be a mafia, cop, Vigilante those kind of people.

If not, they're either SK, Zombie, Doctor, most conventional town roles.

Hrmm. Suddenly my frantic, delighted nodding seems a little out of place. =D

[Prophet]

I don't really see zombies chanting, but the person controlling them could be.

And with The Aussie visiting (being drawn to) Grunt on the first night ... maybe he was recieving orders on whose brains to eat?

[Midnightnick]

Hrmm. Suddenly my frantic, delighted nodding seems a little out of place. =D

Yeah, I laid out my entire role out earlier. I'm not told anything in detail. Just if a gun is possessed or not. Now that we know most of the cops.

If they have a gun, they'd either be a vig or a mafia, so. I'm anxiously awaiting a gun result in hopes of the latter.

[Arrows]

And with The Aussie visiting (being drawn to) Grunt on the first night ... maybe he was recieving orders on whose brains to eat?

Would've been seen going elsewhere.

[Crychon]

Change Vote: GruntMark

I don't trust MNN, but I also don't like the sounds of GruntMark either. He was targeted by a known undead, and was chanting in an abandoned house? Sounds pretty fishy to me.

[Slim Jim]

Didn't he say his bus driving power came from a mystical source?

Magicians tend to chant more than zombies.

He did?

Bah. There goes my attempt at helping; figured it'd be of use when considered in tandem with derek's poem.

[Arrows]

Vote: GruntMark

I'd like to see where this goes. I don't think he's head zombie, but I think he could be zombie.

[Prophet]

Would've been seen going elsewhere.

Possible, but didn't BP say she was whisked away, or hidden, or something? What if The Aussie was given his instructions, and the protector, or whatever, snatched BP away before she could see where the Aussie was going?

[The Shape]

Yeah, I laid out my entire role out earlier. I'm not told anything in detail. Just if a gun is possessed or not. Now that we know most of the cops.

If they have a gun, they'd either be a vig or a mafia, so. I'm anxiously awaiting a gun result in hopes of the latter.

Then I'm curious as to why you nodded my astil remark.

[Midnightnick]

Then I'm curious as to why you nodded my astil remark.

Because I swore his role was essentially the same as mine, and odds are, you aren't going to believe that. :(

[The Shape]

Because I swore his role was essentially the same as mine, and odds are, you aren't going to believe that. :(

His role is what I thought your gun-checking could lead to, especially with registries etc. Does that make sense?

A similar variation was seen in SW2.

[Midnightnick]

His role is what I thought your gun-checking could lead to, especially with registries etc. Does that make sense?

A similar variation was seen in SW2.

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Sadly it doesn't do that. It's basically a guessing game to tell if they're scum or not if they have a gun.

I got saddled with a pretty weak role.

[Arrows]

Possible, but didn't BP say she was whisked away, or hidden, or something? What if The Aussie was given his instructions, and the protector, or whatever, snatched BP away before she could see where the Aussie was going?

Very true.

[The Shape]

Yeah, I know what you're saying. Sadly it doesn't do that. It's basically a guessing game to tell if they're scum or not if they have a gun.

I got saddled with a pretty weak role.

Bah. So was the gut stuff not a hint at all? For a moment (well, several) I thought I was a genius.

[Prophet]

Vote: GruntMark

This seems like a more solid lead. Nothing has really made sense since the start of this game, as it pertains to Grunt.

[Midnightnick]

Bah. So was the gut stuff not a hint at all? For a moment (well, several) I thought I was a genius.

My gut stuff was purely gut. Not an intentional hint at all.

I'm sorry for leading you on Shape.

[Arrows]

My gut stuff was purely gut. Not an intentional hint at all.

I'm sorry for leading you on Shape.

I can think of one more person with a gun you might not wanna out.

[The Shape]

My gut stuff was purely gut. Not an intentional hint at all.

I'm sorry for leading you on Shape.

Heheh, I lead myself on. I remembered a family guy clip about some program called "Jake and the Fat Man" where they were doing what I thought you did to a crime scene, assumed it was a big deal in America, and immediately drew my conclusions :D

But pleasantries aside, I'm no longer so confident about your alignment. Then agaaaaiiin, you were honest about it once I myself stopped being so vague. Which is a good sign.

[Derek B]

I'm heading offline for now, apparently my girlfriends enjoys spending time with me or something. I tells ya, women these days... totally crazy. :)

[The Shape]

And with him, derek took everyone's voice =O

[Arrows]

And with him, derek took everyone's voice =O

Yup.

[Midnightnick]

And with him, derek took everyone's voice =O

There isn't much to say now really outside of

Vote: Gruntmark

And maybe Aik will have investigation results that clearly show scum today.

[Arrows]

There isn't much to say now really outside of

Vote: Gruntmark

And maybe Aik will have investigation results that clearly show scum today.

How do we know HIS results will be right?

Surely we don't have THREE who get the right results. So far Archer's seem to be right, so that's one.

[Midnightnick]

How do we know HIS results will be right?

Surely we don't have THREE who get the right results. So far Archer's seem to be right, so that's one.

Well, did Gold say any results for last night?

And Aik didn't get results because of the bodyguard on Night 1.

[GruntMark]

Okay, someone asked why I picked who I picked for a switch.

1. Antithesis: One, I didnt see your agreement with Bear. But I knew you targetted someone at night, so if you were switched with anyone you would either recieve your own target or thiers, or none. And probably be trueful about it.

2. Tha Black Phenom: Just to hassle him from our previous games. :p

Does no one else find it interesting that Antithesis didnt end up with a target last night? Almost like, Tha Black Phenom doesnt have a night target, so Anti got none because of my interference?

And does that sound completely opposite of the first nights results as claimed by Nick?

Anyway...

Im not a zombie, to the best of my knowledge. I guess if you kill me and I rise, you can waste next day phase on rekilling me.

Im also not the zombie king, if I DID even chant, it wouldnt be about zombies.

[The Shape]

The bus driver thing still bugs me with gruntmark, he said it was magical and it kinda fits the way people have said they've found themselves switched. However he never really answered as to the changing story about his home etc, and I don't get why else Aussie would visit him. I can't help but see some sort of connection between some magical/spiritual guidance kinda guy and "lost souls"...but what that connection seemingly leads to isn't a good thing.

[The Shape]

Im also not the zombie king, if I DID even chant, it wouldnt be about zombies.

so the chanting stuff doesn't fit you?

[GruntMark]

so the chanting stuff doesn't fit you?

Chanting, I could honestly see.

About zombies? Not in the least. Unless I was knowingly switching a zombie...maybe as flavor text. (Which...I dont even think I did, thats way hypothetical.)

As for the house...I didnt think I would have one. BP info says I do, so I must. Its not like my living arrangements were spelled out to me in my roll PM. It was just a guess. ;)

[The Shape]

Chanting, I could honestly see.

About zombies? Not in the least. Unless I was knowingly switching a zombie...maybe as flavor text. (Which...I dont even think I did, thats way hypothetical.)

As for the house...I didnt think I would have one. BP info says I do, so I must. Its not like my living arrangements were spelled out to me in my roll PM. It was just a guess. ;)

Hrmm. I too know of no permanent dwelling, but that's because I'm never in one place long enough ;)

However you originally didn't just say a house wasn't MENTIONED, you stressed that you'd just moved to the area and it made sense for you to be roaming and crashing out on the streets. Yet now your ability seems to specifically involve being in one place for a long time.

[GruntMark]

In addition...

Going from what Gonvick has said.

1. My role was in previous Lakeside games.

2. And it wasnt the zombie king then either, seeing as how it (I?) survived the previous Lakeside games as town.

[GruntMark]

Hrmm. I too know of no permanent dwelling, but that's because I'm never in one place long enough ;)

However you originally didn't just say a house wasn't MENTIONED, you stressed that you'd just moved to the area and it made sense for you to be roaming and crashing out on the streets. Yet now your ability seems to specifically involve being in one place for a long time.


Its true.

I thought Im new in town. So that was my guess. Clearly the mods have decided otherwise for the purposes of the write ups/PMs.

And seeing as how this role apaarently survived the last game, maybe Ive been here longer than I thought. Having not played in the last game, or read the role PMs for it...I dont know if its the same character or not.

[Prophet]

In addition...

Going from what Gonvick has said.

1. My role was in previous Lakeside games.

2. And it wasnt the zombie king then either, seeing as how it (I?) survived the previous Lakeside games as town.

And depending on interpretation of the poem shown, anyone who survived the last game could end up being zombie king this game. I think the reference point is valid, but the fact that a new one has risen means we can't discount any possibility.

[The Shape]

In addition...

Going from what Gonvick has said.

1. My role was in previous Lakeside games.

2. And it wasnt the zombie king then either, seeing as how it (I?) survived the previous Lakeside games as town.

Last game's survivors were town bodyguard, bouncer and watcher.

[GruntMark]

Last game's survivors were town bodyguard, bouncer and watcher.

Hmmm.

Gonvick said I lived.

Anyway, you know my power Might as well know Im

Lakeside Aligned Master of Mystics

[Comradebot]

I think the GruntMark thing is a bit of a stretch, and its drawing attention from the fact that Nick is claiming to have done things he couldn't have.

Keep your eyes on the prize, folks.

[gonvick]

Bus driver chant?

Chanting would fit well with Grunt's character. In fact, I'd pretty much expect it with how his bus driving works.

Doesn't mean he's not an undead bus driver now, but I don't find the chanting suspicious.

His role is what I thought your gun-checking could lead to, especially with registries etc. Does that make sense?

A similar variation was seen in SW2.

We lost that one on the first night.

Sorry team, just got in from the woods.

And yes, I flipped Tha Black Phenom and Antithesis last night.

Perhaps Tha Black Phenom would be so kind as to tell us if he has a night ability?

[Arrows]

I think the GruntMark thing is a bit of a stretch, and its drawing attention from the fact that Nick is claiming to have done things he couldn't have.

Keep your eyes on the prize, folks.

Aussie targeted Grunt for a reason. What reason, we don't know. Solving that mystery could lead to us knowing more about the rest of the situation. On the other hand, it still wouldn't prove Nick was telling the truth.

I really don't know which way to lean. Grunt's looking really bad. Nick came up town but has done some things that aren't possible, which makes him a probable liar.

[gonvick]

Hmmm.

Gonvick said I lived.

Anyway, you know my power Might as well know Im

Lakeside Aligned Master of Mystics

Your role survived the first game, which didn't have a zombie in it.

[GruntMark]

Your role survived the first game, which didn't have a zombie in it.

Oh.

Please excuse my lack of Lakeside knowledge everyone.

[gonvick]

Aussie targeted Grunt for a reason. What reason, we don't know. Solving that mystery could lead to us knowing more about the rest of the situation. On the other hand, it still wouldn't prove Nick was telling the truth.

I really don't know which way to lean. Grunt's looking really bad. Nick came up town but has done some things that aren't possible, which makes him a probable liar.

Grunt was still bus driving last night. Would we expect the new Undead King to be using their original ability if they have been turned? If not, Grunt could be investigated, or otherwise checked up on before we kill him.

Nick has claimed twice to get results he shouldn't have. I can't see how that happens unless he's lying. Personally, I'd rather lynch Nick than Grunt.

[Arrows]

Grunt was still bus driving last night. Would we expect the new Undead King to be using their original ability if they have been turned? If not, Grunt could be investigated, or otherwise checked up on before we kill him.

Nick has claimed twice to get results he shouldn't have. I can't see how that happens unless he's lying. Personally, I'd rather lynch Nick than Grunt.

Why wouldn't he? If no bus driving happened, we'd all go DURH! It's Grunt! Not to mention we'd already stated we wanted someone on him.

[gonvick]

To be honest, there are half a dozen people I'd vote for right now and midnightnick isn't one of them...

My Spider-Sense is tingling on someone, but all signs point away from voting for them.

Also, I didn't get anything good last night, but my flavor text was interesting.

Also also, thanks... You know who you are!

Did you get any result at all? Or were you roleblocked or something?

[The Shape]

Like I said before I think there are humans behind the undead rising. An old guy with an apprentice...spiritual powers associated with bringing them to life...to me it adds up to an extent.

[GruntMark]

Not to mention we'd already stated we wanted someone on him.

What happened with that anyway?

I already said even I wanted someone on me to prove it up. And I didnt interfer with the only known watcher. What was more important than making sure I didnt go out and make a zombie, so we didnt waste a day phase, like we are doing right now?

[Arrows]

What happened with that anyway?

I already said even I wanted someone on me to prove it up. And I didnt interfer with the only known watcher. What was more important than making sure I didnt go out and make a zombie, so we didnt waste a day phase, like we are doing right now?

Checking on Lost. A guy we'd already checked on by trying to vote for him.

[Arrows]

Checking on Lost. A guy we'd already checked on by trying to vote for him.

Then not making it back in time to switch it.

[gonvick]

Why wouldn't he? If no bus driving happened, we'd all go DURH! It's Grunt! Not to mention we'd already stated we wanted someone on him.

If the new King takes over doing what Aussie was doing, then it's unlikely they would also continue using their old ability. If Aussie was out recruiting, and thus Gruntmark was turned Undead, then it would appear that Gruntmark wasn't out recruiting as he was inside chanting and switching people around.

This doesn't mean he can't be Undead, but maybe makes it less likely that he's the main Undead, which means we may be able to figure out his alignment without having to kill him.

Although, with the possible hint about the new king being able to work during the day, this might mean less than it otherwise would.

[The Archer]

break time. got 20 minutes.

You're just being ignorant, seriously. Going entirely off an assumption...that assumption being that because someone came up town, they are not. So forgive me for being incredulous. And the way you push it, the trying to laugh in people's faces because you're so certain they're scum no matter what, is something I've dabbled with in the past. And you just come off looking like a twat.

As for derek's poem...it looks interesting but it's kinda vague. How and when did you get it?

so now i am an f***ing stupid twat?

arrogrant prick. there. i can play that game to.

you are completely ignoring there is another part of my role.

And don't forget he seems so sure Arrows is scum when Arrows all but said he was a miller.

and the rest of the pm i got? :rolleyes:

Did say I was a miller. Still don't know why you're defending me.

still defending. he must think that you are town. :rolleyes:

I'm not told that Shape, just if they own a gun or not. As I said, it's pretty basic.

The logic I'd see is. If they have a gun, they'd be a mafia, cop, Vigilante those kind of people.

If not, they're either SK, Zombie, Doctor, most conventional town roles.

Hrmm. Suddenly my frantic, delighted nodding seems a little out of place. =D

Yeah, I laid out my entire role out earlier. I'm not told anything in detail. Just if a gun is possessed or not. Now that we know most of the cops.

If they have a gun, they'd either be a vig or a mafia, so. I'm anxiously awaiting a gun result in hopes of the latter.

Then I'm curious as to why you nodded my astil remark.

Bah. So was the gut stuff not a hint at all? For a moment (well, several) I thought I was a genius.

yeah right. you were giving him an excuse to cover up for the results.

There isn't much to say now really outside of

Vote: Gruntmark

And maybe Aik will have investigation results that clearly show scum today.

who didnt get a result the first night. where as i and mjd both did and for the most part they have been ignored. i know how demonseed felt when effin used the same defense on him that shape is using on me. ;)

How do we know HIS results will be right?

Surely we don't have THREE who get the right results. So far Archer's seem to be right, so that's one.

its the other part of my role that makes the difference.

Well, did Gold say any results for last night?

And Aik didn't get results because of the bodyguard on Night 1.

To be honest, there are half a dozen people I'd vote for right now and midnightnick isn't one of them...

My Spider-Sense is tingling on someone, but all signs point away from voting for them.

Also, I didn't get anything good last night, but my flavor text was interesting.

Also also, thanks... You know who you are!

he didnt get anything or at least not a bad one.

I think the GruntMark thing is a bit of a stretch, and its drawing attention from the fact that Nick is claiming to have done things he couldn't have.

Keep your eyes on the prize, folks.

he is a maybe. but doesnt it make more sense to go with a known?

Aussie targeted Grunt for a reason. What reason, we don't know. Solving that mystery could lead to us knowing more about the rest of the situation. On the other hand, it still wouldn't prove Nick was telling the truth.

I really don't know which way to lean. Grunt's looking really bad. Nick came up town but has done some things that aren't possible, which makes him a probable liar.

midnight you said you check at your house right? i didnt investigate you at your house. i was at arrows. lie one.

comradebot blocked nzane night one. he did you last night. but you still got results? lie 2

[cyberkitten01]

Dammit, I'd multi quoted a load of interesting posts and then copied instead of pasted the last one I was quoting. Nooooo

Evidence is really against Nick at the moment, but I'm still not quite sold.

Dodgy business with Grunt, but I still can't shake the feeling Antithesis is scum. He didn't notice anything in his role that would suggest being a miller or coming up opposite alignment. It does make sense being the evil Mayor's widdow, but still.. seems suspicious to me.

The poem freaks me the fudge out though, as well as why there weren't any kill last night. If someone roleblocked, we really need info! People are too quiet right now

[cyberkitten01]

midnight you said you check at your house right? i didnt investigate you at your house. i was at arrows. lie one.

comradebot blocked nzane night one. he did you last night. but you still got results? lie 2

Actually that's pretty compelling

[Arrows]

its the other part of my role that makes the difference.

ANYONE HERE WHO THINKS THE MODS ARE GOING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MY ROLE COLOR IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT I CLAIM OR WHAT THE PERSON THEY TELL THIS TO'S IS, RAISE YOUR HANDS.

[GruntMark]

ANYONE HERE WHO THINKS THE MODS ARE GOING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MY ROLE COLOR IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT I CLAIM OR WHAT THE PERSON THEY TELL THIS TO'S IS, RAISE YOUR HANDS.

Are you hinting its red?

:D

/duck

/run

[The Archer]

ANYONE HERE WHO THINKS THE MODS ARE GOING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MY ROLE COLOR IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT I CLAIM OR WHAT THE PERSON THEY TELL THIS TO'S IS, RAISE YOUR HANDS.

you are scum. fact.

[Arrows]

Are you hinting its red?

:D

/duck

/run

Blue doesn't stick out from bolded black anywhere near as much as red does. Kinda become tradition to use red for things you want everyone to notice.

[Arrows]

you are scum. fact.

You are in-correct.

Fact.

[The Archer]

You are in-correct.

Fact.

nope.

[Arrows]

nope.

Then kill me, and we'll see, won't we?

When my role comes up blue, you die next. I hope you realize that.

[The Archer]

Then kill me, and we'll see, won't we?

When my role comes up blue, you die next. I hope you realize that.

and when you come up scum then everyone will know that midnight and possibly shape are too.

[Arrows]

and when you come up scum then everyone will know that midnight and possibly shape are too.

Because...Midnight came up town? OH, it's that magical other thing that you are either lying about or don't understand on MINE, that makes you think he's scum.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nick's scum. I just know you're not exactly playing your best here, because you're over looking something ****ing obvious. I don't think you're scum. I think you just missed something that you need to realize.

[masterded]

Wait this whole color thing is over the phrase "Silver Tongue"? (I know he came up non-town.)

[The Archer]

Then kill me, and we'll see, won't we?

When my role comes up blue, you die next. I hope you realize that.

and when you come up scum then everyone will know that midnight and possibly shape are too.

Because...Midnight came up town? OH, it's that magical other thing that you are either lying about or don't understand on MINE, that makes you think he's scum.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nick's scum. I just know you're not exactly playing your best here, because you're over looking something ****ing obvious. I don't think you're scum. I think you just missed something that you need to realize.

there is no doubt about your alignment and role.

[Arrows]

Wait this whole color thing is over the phrase "Silver Tongue"? (I know he came up non-town.)

He won't say exactly what it says. He just says they told him something about my color.

1. My race wouldn't matter, rules out that form of color.

2. They're not BLATANTLY going to ****ing say that someone's got a different color role PM. Period. End of story. He's WRONG if he thinks that's what it is.

3. Hey, Archer, try this. I come up non town, but my role color's weird? Normal for non town WOULD NOT be blue. Thus, sure, it came up weird.

[Prophet]

Wait this whole color thing is over the phrase "Silver Tongue"? (I know he came up non-town.)

I believe so. And since Arrows claimed charlatan, silver-tongued makes sense. I think Archer's misreading his clue.

[Comradebot]

I believe so. And since Arrows claimed charlatan, silver-tongued makes sense. I think Archer's misreading his clue.

Agreed, though I'm still not confident that Arrows is town.

[The Archer]

He won't say exactly what it says. He just says they told him something about my color.

1. My race wouldn't matter, rules out that form of color.

2. They're not BLATANTLY going to ****ing say that someone's got a different color role PM. Period. End of story. He's WRONG if he thinks that's what it is.

3. Hey, Archer, try this. I come up non town, but my role color's weird? Normal for non town WOULD NOT be blue. Thus, sure, it came up weird.

why dont we try this? we lynch you and when i, and my ability is proven true. then there wont be any doubt about my other investigation.

[The Archer]

I believe so. And since Arrows claimed charlatan, silver-tongued makes sense. I think Archer's misreading his clue.

Agreed, though I'm still not confident that Arrows is town.

i assure you that i am not.

[Midnightnick]

i assure you that i am not.

Because your refusal to accept you may have read your clue wrong, you aren't causing only one townie deaths, but two. :rolleyes:

[Crychon]

there is no doubt about your alignment and role.

Ok, just because I missed it earlier, could you please repeat, and plainly list out your results and on which nights you investigated them?

ex. Night 1 - Arrows - Non-Town

I just want to have it clear so I can note it.

[Arrows]

Ok, just because I missed it earlier, could you please repeat, and plainly list out your results and on which nights you investigated them?

ex. Night 1 - Arrows - Non-Town

I just want to have it clear so I can note it.

I want to know EXACTLY what his PM says. Not just non town, and not some little hint about color. I want to know what he was told, so I can try and show him where he's misunderstanding.

[The Archer]

Ok, just because I missed it earlier, could you please repeat, and plainly list out your results and on which nights you investigated them?

ex. Night 1 - Arrows - Non-Town

I just want to have it clear so I can note it.

night 1 sent in arrows but midnight was there instead
night 2 sent in arrows he was non lakeside aligned

[Arrows]

night 1 sent in arrows but midnight was there instead
night 2 sent in arrows he was non lakeside aligned

*Waits for the other part.*

[Comradebot]

night 1 sent in arrows but midnight was there instead
night 2 sent in arrows he was non lakeside aligned

Archer, I think Arrows wants you to paraphrase your PM, the actual events that transpired. Not just your result.

[gonvick]

ANYONE HERE WHO THINKS THE MODS ARE GOING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MY ROLE COLOR IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT I CLAIM OR WHAT THE PERSON THEY TELL THIS TO'S IS, RAISE YOUR HANDS.

Depends on the nature of what his role learns. If that what he's supposed to get, or a possibility, then I don't see why he wouldn't. Mods aren't going to change the way a role opperates to cover for lying scum. It all depends on what was decided about the role before the game started.

[Arrows]

Depends on the nature of what his role learns. If that what he's supposed to get, or a possibility, then I don't see why he wouldn't. Mods aren't going to change the way a role opperates to cover for lying scum. It all depends on what was decided about the role before the game started.

If that's EVER a town role, the game it's in is broken. That's a SCUM COP.

No townie should EVER get a PM that says "This person's role title is red." PERIOD. It should NEVER happen.

[The Archer]

*Waits for the other part.*

the part about you being silver tongued and able to sway opiniions

or the part about it being clear that the color you used to convince the others is just another lie ?

[Comradebot]

the part about you being silver tongued and able to sway opiniions

or the part about it being clear that the color you used to convince the others is just another lie ?

Did your PM specifically MENTION his role color?

[The Archer]

If that's EVER a town role, the game it's in is broken. That's a SCUM COP.

No townie should EVER get a PM that says "This person's role title is red." PERIOD. It should NEVER happen.

so is that an admision of guilt? whether or not it should or shouldnt be in your opinion. it is.

[Arrows]

the part about you being silver tongued and able to sway opiniions

or the part about it being clear that the color you used to convince the others is just another lie ?

1. The second part of that, is false. The role PM I posted is truth.

As for the first part?

*Shrugs* Want me to try it and find out?

[Arrows]

so is that an admision of guilt? whether or not it should or shouldnt be in your opinion. it is.

I say you're entirely full of ****. There's no way a townie was given that role. That breaks the game entirely, and makes it completely ****ing pointless to play. Sorry, but you're either lying, or wrong about your own ability.

[The Archer]

I say you're entirely full of ****. There's no way a townie was given that role. That breaks the game entirely, and makes it completely ****ing pointless to play. Sorry, but you're either lying, or wrong about your own ability.

didnt answer my question

[Arrows]

Archer. What you're saying is this.

NO SCUM CAN LIE ABOUT THEIR ROLE, OR ALIGNMENT, BECAUSE YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY ARE A GOD. YOU, AND YOU ALONE, CAN FIND OUT EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW INCLUDING THE ROLE COLOR, ABILITY, AND INVESTIGATION RESULT.

Bull****.

[The Archer]

i am not wrong about my ability. and obviously from your response that iam not wrong about my results. want to lynch arrows and prove it?

[gonvick]

the part about you being silver tongued and able to sway opiniions

or the part about it being clear that the color you used to convince the others is just another lie ?

Could you clarify the color part of you results further? So we can be sure it's not a misunderstanding.

[Midnightnick]

**** it.

Change Vote: The Archer

That's overpowered as sin.

[The Archer]

**** it.

Change Vote: The Archer

That's overpowered as sin.

so you are admitting that tyou are scum too?

[Arrows]

so you are admitting that tyou are scum too?

I ain't scum.

You're just wrong.

[The Archer]

i have to go back to work.

[The Archer]

I ain't scum.

You're just wrong.
yes you are.

[Midnightnick]

so you are admitting that tyou are scum too?

Nope. I'm a gunsmith and Lakeside aligned. Your investigation found me as Lakeside aligned therefore.

I am lakeside aligned.

Since that MUST be your logic. You know, since Arrows came up as non-town aligned, therefore it MUST make him be non-town when he said he's you know.

A Miller.

You have alot to learn Archer. You're bordering on DGL level of self-righteousness with your "intuition"

[The Archer]

be back in the morning.

[The Archer]

Nope. I'm a gunsmith and Lakeside aligned. Your investigation found me as Lakeside aligned therefore.

I am lakeside aligned.

Since that MUST be your logic. You know, since Arrows came up as non-town aligned, therefore it MUST make him be non-town when he said he's you know.

A Miller.

You have alot to learn Archer. You're bordering on DGL level of self-righteousness with your "intuition"

i am not the one that lead a lynch on aussie with my gut. i checked out the two people that seem the most scummy. sorry if you dont like being found out.

its easy. lynch arrows or midnight and see if i am not right.

[Arrows]

Lynch me.

Go ahead.

When I'm blue, we'll see what happens.

[Midnightnick]

i am not the one that lead a lynch on aussie with my gut. i checked out the two people that seem the most scummy. sorry if you dont like being found out.

its easy. lynch arrows or midnight and see if i am not right.

Your investigation found me as Town.

Therefore lynching me would show me as town.

[Comradebot]

Lynch me.

Go ahead.

When I'm blue, we'll see what happens.

He said we can lynch you OR Midnight.

And Midnight was the one caught in a pair of lies.

[GruntMark]

If Nicks a gunsmith for reals, hes the most awesome gunsmith EVER.

I mean, immune to magic?

He's more powerful than Superman! :D

[The Archer]

Lynch me.

Go ahead.

When I'm blue, we'll see what happens.

what happened to your protection last night? or is he now not tied to your posting ability?

i really have to go.

[Midnightnick]

He said we can lynch you OR Midnight.

And Midnight was the one caught in a pair of lies.

But who's the one that showed up Lakeside aligned?

Eh?

Eh?

If Nicks a gunsmith for reals, hes the most awesome gunsmith EVER.

I mean, immune to magic?

He's more powerful than Superman! :D

**** Superman.

Batman is where it's at.

[Arrows]

what happened to your protection last night? or is he now not tied to your posting ability?

i really have to go.

My ability changes. Haven't caught that part yet, eh?

[The Archer]

My ability changes. Haven't caught that part yet, eh?

just like your color? you edit that too?

[Midnightnick]

My ability changes. Haven't caught that part yet, eh?

So the Bodyguard WAS part of your ability, or was it a player?

I'm confused Arrows.

[Arrows]

just like your color? you edit that too?

Nope. That stays blue.

[Antithesis]

Archer. What you're saying is this.

NO SCUM CAN LIE ABOUT THEIR ROLE, OR ALIGNMENT, BECAUSE YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY ARE A GOD. YOU, AND YOU ALONE, CAN FIND OUT EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW INCLUDING THE ROLE COLOR, ABILITY, AND INVESTIGATION RESULT.

Bull****.

Uhhh.. Isn't that the same role Astil gave Jim Force/IER in the VG mafia?

He could investigate alignment and role titles (based upon a RNG).

[Arrows]

So the Bodyguard WAS part of your ability, or was it a player?

I'm confused Arrows.

I don't know. I assumed it was flavor, but it very well may not have been. Nobody stepped forward about it, but..yea. No clue.

[petrija]

I'm not actual scum. I'm a gunsmith. I own my humble little gun shop and sell weapons.

Woo~.

And I know you wouldn't forget about me. You simply adore me.

You SELL weapons? WTF?


Who says I come up non town? I missed that post. They're right on that one. If you knew what my role was, you'd understand why there are negative parts. Depending on what I do, even my miller status can be changed, but that'd be a waste of a night phase to make that go away, considering I couldn't get anything else on top of it.

The second You think You might come up non-town, You claim miller.
That sounds familiar. Same with the "I-have-a-super-complex-role."

CAN WE JUST PLAY ONE GAME TOGETHER WHERE YOU'RE NOT OUT TO KILL ME?
DAMN!

You think I'm important because I had the bodyguard.

The bodyguard was a player who selected to protect me.

I am an important player. Not role.

I find it weird that no one has stepped up to say "It was me guys". If the bodyguard was a town player, they'd want to help clear up the confusion, no?

My color is blue. Already shown that. Do you really think Astil/d_w_w would PURPOSELY throw a scum under the bus by saying something like that and meaning it how you think they do?

Silver tongued? Yep. That's about a fourth of my role.

Again, complex role.
The silver tongue thing, though, I think it's silly that someone would take that as a role colour. Silver-Tongued is an expression, means witty.
Fits with the role You claimed.

And don't forget he seems so sure Arrows is scum when Arrows all but said he was a miller.

So because Arrows claimed He's a miller, the suspicion should be lifted off of Him? That's crazy. I thought you were an experienced player. Why would you say that? That's got me, really confused.

Person a: my investigation says you're not with the town!
Person b: oh! that's cause i'm a miller.
Person a: oh, cheers! sorry!

Mmkno.

Did say I was a miller. Still don't know why you're defending me.

...Yeahthat.

Oh and I meant to add in that last post that last night GruntMark was chanting to himself in an abandoned house.

Vote: GruntMark

Chanting makes sense for zombies. Remember in the first write up they were like a cult dealy? Yeah...
Creepy.

I still don't know where to put my vote.

I do think Arrows was right with Anti, though. We need to get him to target someone without an ability.

See how that works.
I'd volunteer, but does that mean that anyone who tries to kill him would in turn kill me?

I don't like that:p

[Arrows]

Uhhh.. Isn't that the same role Astil gave Jim Force/IER in the VG mafia?

He could investigate alignment and role titles (based upon a RNG).

You want to tell me the mods specifically told someone "Arrows is lying about his ability, and his role color?" I say bull****.

[Midnightnick]

I don't know. I assumed it was flavor, but it very well may not have been. Nobody stepped forward about it, but..yea. No clue.

So then that bodyguard was meant for you and I didn't have a bodyguard.

There goes one of Archer's points against me.

[Midnightnick]

You SELL weapons? WTF?



The second You think You might come up non-town, You claim miller.
That sounds familiar. Same with the "I-have-a-super-complex-role."

CAN WE JUST PLAY ONE GAME TOGETHER WHERE YOU'RE NOT OUT TO KILL ME?
DAMN!



I find it weird that no one has stepped up to say "It was me guys". If the bodyguard was a town player, they'd want to help clear up the confusion, no?



Again, complex role.
The silver tongue thing, though, I think it's silly that someone would take that as a role colour. Silver-Tongued is an expression, means witty.
Fits with the role You claimed.



So because Arrows claimed He's a miller, the suspicion should be lifted off of Him? That's crazy. I thought you were an experienced player. Why would you say that? That's got me, really confused.

Person a: my investigation says you're not with the town!
Person b: oh! that's cause i'm a miller.
Person a: oh, cheers! sorry!

Mmkno.



...Yeahthat.



Chanting makes sense for zombies. Remember in the first write up they were like a cult dealy? Yeah...
Creepy.

I still don't know where to put my vote.

I do think Arrows was right with Anti, though. We need to get him to target someone without an ability.

See how that works.
I'd volunteer, but does that mean that anyone who tries to kill him would in turn kill me?

I don't like that:p

I was saying the sell guns as what I do as a career. My ability is to check gun registries to see if who I investigate owns a gun.

[Arrows]

So then that bodyguard was meant for you and I didn't have a bodyguard.

There goes one of Archer's points against me.

If it was flavor, yea.

Figured out my full role yet MNN?

[Comradebot]

Uhhh.. Isn't that the same role Astil gave Jim Force/IER in the VG mafia?

He could investigate alignment and role titles (based upon a RNG).

So it isn't impossible for him to have a role like that.


And, honestly, Archer doesn't seem like the most... experienced player? He seems newish. And a pair of vets are going against him, which really makes me suspicious. Arrows is good enough to defend himself, why does Nick need to jump in?

Maybe to get Arrows not to place his vote back on him.

Still, I think Nick is the best option.

[Midnightnick]

If it was flavor, yea.

Figured out my full role yet MNN?

I've had a good idea since you mentioned it should've been your role in Forum Wars.

[Arrows]

So it isn't impossible for him to have a role like that.


And, honestly, Archer doesn't seem like the most... experienced player? He seems newish. And a pair of vets are going against him, which really makes me suspicious. Arrows is good enough to defend himself, why does Nick need to jump in?

Maybe to get Arrows not to place his vote back on him.

Still, I think Nick is the best option.

I don't know why Nick keeps jumping in. I don't know if he's trying to bring me down with him. If he's sure enough I'm town that latching onto me and me dying would help his case, or...what the hell's going on with him defending me.

[Midnightnick]

So it isn't impossible for him to have a role like that.


And, honestly, Archer doesn't seem like the most... experienced player? He seems newish. And a pair of vets are going against him, which really makes me suspicious. Arrows is good enough to defend himself, why does Nick need to jump in?

Maybe to get Arrows not to place his vote back on him.

Still, I think Nick is the best option.

I said before. I defend whoever and accuse whoever if it's relevant. I.E Archer is accusing me as well.

I wouldn't go and defend Arrows if someone else came up and brought up a point that has nothing to do with me.

Most of the defending has come from Archer's investigations and the bus driving issue.

[Arrows]

I said before. I defend whoever and accuse whoever if it's relevant. I.E Archer is accusing me as well.

I wouldn't go and defend Arrows if someone else came up and brought up a point that has nothing to do with me.

Most of the defending has come from Archer's investigations and the bus driving issue.

They have seemed to just...lump us together night after night, eh?