Lakeside's Grand Finale (Mafia)

[Midnightnick]

They have seemed to just...lump us together night after night, eh?

That's the only reason I'm coming to your aid Arrows.

Comrade, Grunt and Archer seems to be grouping us together, and their arguments affect both of us, so clearing you in turn clears me you know what I'm trying to say here?

[Astil]

1. Anger needs to be toned down
Now.

2. Personal attacks need to stop. Now.

This is only a game. Treat it as such.

[Arrows]

That's the only reason I'm coming to your aid Arrows.

Comrade, Grunt and Archer seems to be grouping us together, and their arguments affect both of us, so clearing you in turn clears me you know what I'm trying to say here?

Yup.

It's only defense of me by association.

[petrija]

I'm heading out.
I've got a concert to go to.

Seriously.
Just.
Yeah.
Figure something out by the time I come back? :p

[Midnightnick]

Yup.

It's only defense of me by association.

Yeah. I do think you're town though, regardless what you think of me. I just want Lakeside to be threat free, and guys. I understand you think of me and Arrows as scum, and grunt because of Aussie but...

whoever the Mafia is. They must be LAUGHING at all of this because they're skirting by without any suspicion on them.

[Arrows]

Yeah. I do think you're town though, regardless what you think of me. I just want Lakeside to be threat free, and guys. I understand you think of me and Arrows as scum, and grunt because of Aussie but...

whoever the Mafia is. They must be LAUGHING at all of this because they're skirting by without any suspicion on them.

Evidentally I'm mafia, and don't even know it.

[Midnightnick]

Evidentally I'm mafia, and don't even know it.

And evidentally I'm the Don of said mafia.

Which just kicks my luck out the window. Don in all 3 Lakeside games. Really?

They seem to be forgetting occam's razor.

Simplest explaination is usually the truest.

I appear town, therefore I am town. :rolleyes:

[Arrows]

And evidentally I'm the Don of said mafia.

Which just kicks my luck out the window. Don in all 3 Lakeside games. Really?

They seem to be forgetting occam's razor.

Simplest explaination is usually the truest.

I appear town, therefore I am town. :rolleyes:

Usually.

That'd make me scum though, which I happen to be fairly certain I'm not.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

Gruntmark -4 (Slim Jim, Crychon, Arrows, Prophet)

The Archer - 1 (Midnightnick)

If you see mistakes, let us know.

[Midnightnick]

Usually.

That'd make me scum though, which I happen to be fairly certain I'm not.

Well you claimed Miller, and we haven't heard that excuse from anyone in quite a while.

Or at least I don't remember anyone going "I'M A MILLER NOT SCUM, DON'T LYNCH ME" in ages.

And I just realized Archer's play style is basically I'm rubber and you're glue what I ever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you.

[masterded]

I am rereading a large portion of this game and with all this talk that keeps going around and around. I am now lost and think I need a map.

[Prophet]

Change vote: No vote

Yeah, I'm at a loss. I think I need to go back to square one, because all this finger pointing is just making me dizzy.

[Comradebot]

Well you claimed Miller, and we haven't heard that excuse from anyone in quite a while.

Or at least I don't remember anyone going "I'M A MILLER NOT SCUM, DON'T LYNCH ME" in ages.

And I just realized Archer's play style is basically I'm rubber and you're glue what I ever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you.

Like, twenty people claimed Miller in Gotham.


In fact, Arrows did towards the end of it, saying he was town but if investigated his past association with The Joker would say he was scum.

[Bear]

Finally. I am caught up and know of SOME things that can clear confusion.

In all of the Lakeside's, there have been 3 protectors/bodyguards and only 1 Mystic. If the Mystic is back, there logically has to be at least 1 protector of some kind.

Rock's silenced, right? That's the HOUSE-WRECKING HUNK. He roleblocks someone and they are knocked out the next day. I know all too much about the hunk. This might not mean rock's the night killer, but it's boiling.

If I was the protector, I wouldn't jump up to save a single townie either. that's like trading Midnight for all the rest of the people he can protect later in the game.

And sorry it didn't work out, Anti. I personally believe Grunt is STILL town, but he needs to work with us.

[Midnightnick]

Like, twenty people claimed Miller in Gotham.


In fact, Arrows did towards the end of it, saying he was town but if investigated his past association with The Joker would say he was scum.

I'm dense then if I didn't see that.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

Gruntmark -3 (Slim Jim, Crychon, Arrows)

The Archer - 1 (Midnightnick)

[Arrows]

Change Vote: The Archer

He's lying, one way or another.

[bak42]

I am rereading a large portion of this game and with all this talk that keeps going around and around. I am now lost and think I need a map.

Between the rampant paranoia and the "Are not. Are too." arguing I think my brain has actually exploded.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

Gruntmark -2 (Slim Jim, Crychon)

The Archer - 2 (Midnightnick, Arrows)

I'm out.

[Comradebot]

Between the rampant paranoia and the "Are not. Are too." arguing I think my brain has actually exploded.

http://members.shaw.ca/alvandyk/HeadExplode.gif

[Moe Hunter]

Well if the guard was town aligned, maybe he'd speak up to save a townie.
Really, you're trying to out ANOTHER protector?

NO he wouldn't speak up.
1. It would be insane to out oneself as a protector - guess who gets killed?
2. How would the bodyguard have ANY idea if MNN/Arrows was town? I had no idea about nZane's alignment, but I went to protect him. Of course then I got bribed into protecting someone who came up NON-TOWN. You.

Assuming Midnight's the don based on him coming up town is so ****ing stupid, there's no point being an investigator if that's going to be your reasoning.
Wow you really missed the whole other point of that investigation - for some reason he couldn't possibly get a hint at the role. Why would that be the case for a gunsmith? It wouldn't. Something's up. Combined with MNN using his ability twice when he was supposed to be busdriven and roleblocked.

You're right, it is.

However.

No mod. NO MOD. EVER.

Would blatantly say

"This person's role PM isn't the color he says it is."

If that ever happens, the person responsible needs to be banned from ever modding another game of mafia. That's how low of a shot that'd be on the entire game.

You mistook your PM. I'm not denying anything you got, I'm saying you're misreading that bit. My PM IS in blue.
No it wouldn't say that quote, and no one's saying it did. Your logic is off though. Do you really think it's all that different from say, in Gotham I'd said "I'm Bruce Wayne aka Batman, Gotham Aligned Caped Crusader, and then someone's investigation flags me as Non-Town. That says that I'm blatantly lying. Should I scream bloody murder?

Most scum aren't supposed to be immune to investigation. That's the whole bloody point of the role!

I dunno, the Bodyguard thing seems fishy, even fishier that no one has come up to say 'hey I'm the dude guarding him and I'm a good guy' seeing as Nick stirs up some good discussion. As he says, he is a strong player which is good for town if he is town and bad for town if not.
Again, how would the bodyguard know MNN's alignment? There's no way at all that could be the case unless he's a mafia bodyguard.

Dammit, I'd multi quoted a load of interesting posts and then copied instead of pasted the last one I was quoting. Nooooo
Do you not use the Multi-Quote button?

Dodgy business with Grunt, but I still can't shake the feeling Antithesis is scum. He didn't notice anything in his role that would suggest being a miller or coming up opposite alignment. It does make sense being the evil Mayor's widdow, but still.. seems suspicious to me.
Indeed.

Because...Midnight came up town? OH, it's that magical other thing that you are either lying about or don't understand on MINE, that makes you think he's scum.

Don't get me wrong, I think Nick's scum. I just know you're not exactly playing your best here, because you're over looking something ****ing obvious. I don't think you're scum. I think you just missed something that you need to realize.
Again, I think you missed the other half of his role. No one's trying to say "He came up town so he must be scum", Archer is saying "I couldn't get any sort of hint to his role, which doesn't fit since he's said he's a gunsmith".

I don't know. I assumed it was flavor, but it very well may not have been. Nobody stepped forward about it, but..yea. No clue.
Once more, how do people think I survived so long in SWM2? I kept my mouth shut! I saved nZane's ass time and again, and we WON. Why do so many people think it'd be a great idea for protectors to out themselves, especially this early? ALL it does is leave them exposed for night kills.


The second You think You might come up non-town, You claim miller.
That sounds familiar. Same with the "I-have-a-super-complex-role."
Indeed, I'm not sure I've ever seen Arrows play otherwise.

I find it weird that no one has stepped up to say "It was me guys". If the bodyguard was a town player, they'd want to help clear up the confusion, no?
NO! That would be suicide. Does no one see that? I'm fairly certain someone tried to kill me last night just because I protected *once*. It's Scum 101 to kill ooff protectors so you can get to the "juicy" townies.

So because Arrows claimed He's a miller, the suspicion should be lifted off of Him? That's crazy. I thought you were an experienced player. Why would you say that? That's got me, really confused.

Person a: my investigation says you're not with the town!
Person b: oh! that's cause i'm a miller.
Person a: oh, cheers! sorry!

Mmkno.
Back to making sense.

I do think Arrows was right with Anti, though. We need to get him to target someone without an ability.

See how that works.
I'd volunteer, but does that mean that anyone who tries to kill him would in turn kill me?
Maybe, it seems like a sacrificial lamb type thing. I was personally worried about my character though, I'm not sure if I'd hold up in the particular circumstances (which this game seems to be built on).

If I was the protector, I wouldn't jump up to save a single townie either. that's like trading Midnight for all the rest of the people he can protect later in the game.
Thank you! It's good to know I'm not the only one who understands (of course the actual protectors clearly understand too, as they have not come out!)

[Orange-kun]

Between the rampant paranoia and the "Are not. Are too." arguing I think my brain has actually exploded.

I lol'd. Me too.

Anyone have a list of relevant info w/o the annoying 'NO U'.

[Arrows]

Moe. Dude.

He is saying he was SPECIFICALLY TOLD I lied about my role color, on top of other things. That, ain't a cop. That, is a SCUM COP. Of course, I don't think he can do that either.

I think HE, was their sacrifice, to put me and Nick out of this game. You want to tell me the mods gave someone a role where they tell them everything you lie about?

[Slim Jim]

First off: Change Vote: No Vote

Still think GruntMark is likely to be a zombie after the visit from Aussie but I want to try and get my head around this Arrows / Midnight situation first before I decide where to rest my vote for this day.

[Slim Jim]

You want to tell me the mods gave someone a role where they tell them everything you lie about?

I THINK I remember seeing a role somewhere [maybe mafiascum? Not sure] called Lie Detector, or something to that effect. Basic premise was the player could take a post from the previous day phase and ask if the person that posted it was lying or not. Maybe it's that?

[Arrows]

I THINK I remember seeing a role somewhere [maybe mafiascum? Not sure] called Lie Detector, or something to that effect. Basic premise was the player could take a post from the previous day phase and ask if the person that posted it was lying or not. Maybe it's that?

He claims he got told a LOT more, but couldn't get told ANYTHING about MNN. Thus, no way it's that.

[Comradebot]

He claims he got told a LOT more, but couldn't get told ANYTHING about MNN. Thus, no way it's that.

Just a though, based on Archer's communication skills (from what I can tell).


Is it possible, POSSIBLE, we're confusing what he got as a result last night with his assumption of what it all means?

[bak42]

Just a though, based on Archer's communication skills (from what I can tell).


Is it possible, POSSIBLE, we're confusing what he got as a result last night with his assumption of what it all means?

It's also possible that that is exactly his intended result.

[Arrows]

Just a though, based on Archer's communication skills (from what I can tell).


Is it possible, POSSIBLE, we're confusing what he got as a result last night with his assumption of what it all means?

He's absolutely positively sure he, and he alone, is a GOD. He can find out EVERYTHING.

He's convinced his role is perfect and that he is mega amazing townie man. So, no.

I even tried to offer the solution when he claimed something about my role color at first, that he could in fact have gotten that. As a miller, coming up non town, BLUE, would be a weird color for my role to come up. Thus, it'd be weird, and it'd get the comment.

He believes he was told specifically I have scum colors, and that my role isn't anything like what I suggest. So, he got told me role, my role pm color, and everything? Bull.

[Slim Jim]

Yeah, it'd be really nice if Archer could lay out what he was told in complete layman's terms because I really wasn't that clear on what he actually got told. It all seemed very frantic.

A nice, clear "I was told X, Y and Z" rather than "SCUM!SCUM!SCUM! I was told he is SCUM!" would definitely help at this point. Just the facts, without any added bias from his own opinion.

[Comradebot]

Yeah, it'd be really nice if Archer could lay out what he was told in complete layman's terms because I really wasn't that clear on what he actually got told. It all seemed very frantic.

A nice, clear "I was told X, Y and Z" rather than "SCUM!SCUM!SCUM! I was told he is SCUM!" would definitely help at this point. Just the facts, without any added bias from his own opinion.

Exactly, its all getting jumbled together.

[bak42]

Yeah, it'd be really nice if Archer could lay out what he was told in complete layman's terms because I really wasn't that clear on what he actually got told. It all seemed very frantic.

A nice, clear "I was told X, Y and Z" rather than "SCUM!SCUM!SCUM! I was told he is SCUM!" would definitely help at this point. Just the facts, without any added bias from his own opinion.

Well, maybe if we apply some pressure that information will be forthcoming.

vote:The Archer

[Arrows]

Yeah, it'd be really nice if Archer could lay out what he was told in complete layman's terms because I really wasn't that clear on what he actually got told. It all seemed very frantic.

A nice, clear "I was told X, Y and Z" rather than "SCUM!SCUM!SCUM! I was told he is SCUM!" would definitely help at this point. Just the facts, without any added bias from his own opinion.

He says I can convince(this wasn't the word he used..can't remember it exactly), people of things. If anything, I'd have to guess that's the vote manip. I even told him I'd be willing to give it a shot and see if that works come lynching time. Hell, for all I know, I have one. *Shrugs* I don't think I hinted at that, but eh.

He was told I lied about my role color. I sincerely doubt any role would ever blatantly get told that. Period.

[Glotnot]

Moe. Dude.

He is saying he was SPECIFICALLY TOLD I lied about my role color, on top of other things. That, ain't a cop. That, is a SCUM COP. Of course, I don't think he can do that either.

I think HE, was their sacrifice, to put me and Nick out of this game. You want to tell me the mods gave someone a role where they tell them everything you lie about?

Lie Detector would be told if you were lying...Possibly.

[Arrows]

Lie Detector would be told if you were lying...Possibly.

And get NOTHING on Nick, plus get told more than one thing on me? Nope.

[Moe Hunter]

You want to tell me the mods gave someone a role where they tell them everything you lie about?
Yes. As it's been said, it's called a lie detector and we saw one recently (although I believe they died before they got a chance to be useful). If they asked a Yes/No question and got an answer, they could ask the mods if it was a truthful response or not.

But that's not what's going on here. Right now I'm spent on it because you keep twisting the situation making it into 5 different claims at once (for instance, never once did he say he was a God :P), and I'll give you that he has been a bit jumbled (understandable, given his inexperience).

My vote stays where it is for now.

By the way, care to tell me exactly why you think it'd be a great idea for a protector to out himself?

[Arrows]

Yes. As it's been said, it's called a lie detector and we saw one recently (although I believe they died before they got a chance to be useful). If they asked a Yes/No question and got an answer, they could ask the mods if it was a truthful response or not.

But that's not what's going on here. Right now I'm spent on it because you keep twisting the situation making it into 5 different claims at once (for instance, never once did he say he was a God :P), and I'll give you that he has been a bit jumbled (understandable, given his inexperience).

My vote stays where it is for now.

By the way, care to tell me exactly why you think it'd be a great idea for a protector to out himself?

Never said it'd be a great idea. Just surprised it ain't happened.

[Moe Hunter]

And it surprises you because...?

[Arrows]

And it surprises you because...?

Look at all the people already outted.

[Orange-kun]

Look at all the people already outted.

And some pretty good players too. Or at least more experienced than I. I'm actually surprised some people are still alive today. Scum is either not doing well or planning for epic surprise buttsex. I'm hoping the former.

Also I have a rough list of Day 1 (by aik I believe), should I post it or does everyone have Day 1 events down?

[Moe Hunter]

I guess I have faith that people who need to stay quiet, will. Trackers and investigators (when they find scum) can talk freely, so long as the people who can keep them safe are safe themselves.

[cyberkitten01]

So that's how the Multi-Quote works.. :o The embarassment!

Yeah, it'd be really nice if Archer could lay out what he was told in complete layman's terms because I really wasn't that clear on what he actually got told. It all seemed very frantic.

A nice, clear "I was told X, Y and Z" rather than "SCUM!SCUM!SCUM! I was told he is SCUM!" would definitely help at this point. Just the facts, without any added bias from his own opinion.

Definitely! Communication definitely something to work on

Well, maybe if we apply some pressure that information will be forthcoming.

vote:The Archer

That however I think is a bit strong. There's a lot of active players we've heard nothing from so far, and I think Archer could be a benefit to the town if a bit more forthcoming. Please Anti and Grunt I think bare more thinking about. Saying that every day so far has been Arrows & MNN. If they're not scum trying to keep the town distracted, the scum are using them to keep us distracted.

[cyberkitten01]

Bed now!

[blackphoenix]

Lie Detector would be told if you were lying...Possibly.

But doesn't a lie detector need to ask a direct question and get a yes / no response?

So they have to work at it and it isn't as easy as all hell for them?

I'm not buying the I'm mega awesome and Arrows/MNN/Shape are all scum that I have dead to rights thing.

I also don't like how gruntmark just says... I'm not a zombie and gets away with it while others are hounded to the death.

Vote: The Archer

for now, but it can move to GM if necessary.

also..

COUGH UP INFO PEOPLE COME ON! AND PLEASE DO IT IN A CLEAR WAY

[Derek B]

Wow... I go away for a few hours and the town is at each other's throats, creating panic and confusion all over the place. I'd try to step up and get some order going on but since I haven't yet been accused of being scum (it'll probably happen tomorrow if this pattern holds up) then I guess I'm not qualified to do so.

I'm not moving my vote just now but to be honest, at this point I'm not even going to try to work out what's going on. I'm tired and just making sure I don't get left behind. I think I've spotted a few solid townies but it's so hard to tell with so many posts of people angrily defending themselves and people badly accusing people. Concise, clear and with a pointy point. To the heart, if necessary. :)

[gonvick]

But doesn't a lie detector need to ask a direct question and get a yes / no response?

So they have to work at it and it isn't as easy as all hell for them?

I'm not buying the I'm mega awesome and Arrows/MNN/Shape are all scum that I have dead to rights thing.

I also don't like how gruntmark just says... I'm not a zombie and gets away with it while others are hounded to the death.

Vote: The Archer

for now, but it can move to GM if necessary.

also..

COUGH UP INFO PEOPLE COME ON! AND PLEASE DO IT IN A CLEAR WAY

Do you have an explanation for why MNN would be able to get results twice now when others haven't been able to in the same situations?

nZane says he was roleblocked on Night 1, but MNN was able to get a result even though he was targeted by the same player that blocked nZane.

MNN was bus driven on Night 1 but claims to have recieved his intended result. Anti was bus driven Night 2 and was unable to do what he intended.

I don't see an easy way to square this with MNN being town. It would appear that either MNN is lying about his role, or multiple people are lying to get him lynched. I wonder if MNN is still a fan of Occam's Razor in this situation.

[blackphoenix]

Wow... I go away for a few hours and the town is at each other's throats, creating panic and confusion all over the place. I'd try to step up and get some order going on but since I haven't yet been accused of being scum (it'll probably happen tomorrow if this pattern holds up) then I guess I'm not qualified to do so.

I'm not moving my vote just now but to be honest, at this point I'm not even going to try to work out what's going on. I'm tired and just making sure I don't get left behind. I think I've spotted a few solid townies but it's so hard to tell with so many posts of people angrily defending themselves and people badly accusing people. Concise, clear and with a pointy point. To the heart, if necessary. :)

Hey you scum ;)

[Antithesis]

Really, you're trying to out ANOTHER protector?

NO he wouldn't speak up.
1. It would be insane to out oneself as a protector - guess who gets killed?
2. How would the bodyguard have ANY idea if MNN/Arrows was town? I had no idea about nZane's alignment, but I went to protect him. Of course then I got bribed into protecting someone who came up NON-TOWN. You.


Why are you trying to frame anything I say in the scummiest light possible?

If you think I am scum, vote for me, and make your argument as to why. If you just wanna try to raise doubts without attaching a vote to your name, then I'll call that scummy behavior.

Its easy to push a lynch. Its another to push for a lynch and vote for it, and then have to explain why, after I am dead, it will say Lakeside Aligned.

As to your points
1) 3 (and if you believe MNN) 4 people have already outed themselves as investigators or weaponsmiths. So has a watcher, busdrivers, roleblocker, etc.

The town will win this game when people share info. This will require some people to help the town make sense of what's going.

Maybe you want everyone to be in the dark, maybe that benefits you for reasons I'd doubt you would want to explain, but me, I'd like to know what the hell is going on.

2) What I was saying, while trying to not say anyone was scum, was perhaps there is one person out there that could shed light on the burly guard situation, which may also confirm who targeted whom and what results they did, or didn't receive, for night 1.

[blackphoenix]

Do you have an explanation for why MNN would be able to get results twice now when others haven't been able to in the same situations?

nZane says he was roleblocked on Night 1, but MNN was able to get a result even though he was targeted by the same player that blocked nZane.

MNN was bus driven on Night 1 but claims to have recieved his intended result. Anti was bus driven Night 2 and was unable to do what he intended.

I don't see an easy way to square this with MNN being town. It would appear that either MNN is lying about his role, or multiple people are lying to get him lynched. I wonder if MNN is still a fan of Occam's Razor in this situation.

I'm not saying that he ISN'T scum, I'm saying that I'd like some more clear information from Archer. I don't like the way that he attacks anyone who disagrees with him and then starts calling them scum too.

Occam's Razor works against this as well with the idea that MNN sacrificed Aussie to get golded as town.

[Arrows]

Do you have an explanation for why MNN would be able to get results twice now when others haven't been able to in the same situations?

nZane says he was roleblocked on Night 1, but MNN was able to get a result even though he was targeted by the same player that blocked nZane.

MNN was bus driven on Night 1 but claims to have recieved his intended result. Anti was bus driven Night 2 and was unable to do what he intended.

I don't see an easy way to square this with MNN being town. It would appear that either MNN is lying about his role, or multiple people are lying to get him lynched. I wonder if MNN is still a fan of Occam's Razor in this situation.

I have NO clue how to explain what's going on with MNN. I'm not exactly believing him to be town at the moment. I'm just not sure there aren't better targets in front of us.

[Antithesis]

Anti was bus driven Night 2 and was unable to do what he intended.


There is that. If Grunt is being honest, his Busdriving, then his targetes switch places, which would seem to confirm what Aik said... he targeted MMN night 1 but got Arrows.

What night did Archer investigate Arrows and what niight did he investigate MNN?

[blackphoenix]

Also people remember not only investigators get good info.

The info that helped establish that the bodyguard didn't hid his target was not from my investigator skill but from things that happened to me.

[Midnightnick]

Do you have an explanation for why MNN would be able to get results twice now when others haven't been able to in the same situations?

nZane says he was roleblocked on Night 1, but MNN was able to get a result even though he was targeted by the same player that blocked nZane.

MNN was bus driven on Night 1 but claims to have recieved his intended result. Anti was bus driven Night 2 and was unable to do what he intended.

I don't see an easy way to square this with MNN being town. It would appear that either MNN is lying about his role, or multiple people are lying to get him lynched. I wonder if MNN is still a fan of Occam's Razor in this situation.

Oh I'm still a fan of the Razor, even if this is the exception to the rule. But if you aren't going to believe me, you simply aren't.

I'm not saying that he ISN'T scum, I'm saying that I'd like some more clear information from Archer. I don't like the way that he attacks anyone who disagrees with him and then starts calling them scum too.

Occam's Razor works against this as well with the idea that MNN sacrificed Aussie to get golded as town.

It'd be far too much work for me to get all of that rolling from the get-go. I said it once, I'll say it again. I RNGed. Aussie's number came up twice. I also wanted some form of revenge from Gotham. So I rolled with it as my gut and with that luck, he decides to just plainly give up, and I was shocked to see it happen. Mainly since it was gut, but the fact that he wasn't doing anything before he revealed his Lost Soul/undead to us, he came in, reflected all our comments back at us, and left without a good defense.

I have NO clue how to explain what's going on with MNN. I'm not exactly believing him to be town at the moment. I'm just not sure there aren't better targets in front of us.

Focusing all this attention on me is just letting the Mafia groups skirt right under our radars you know.

[Midnightnick]

There is that. If Grunt is being honest, his Busdriving, then his targetes switch places, which would seem to confirm what Aik said... he targeted MMN night 1 but got Arrows.

What night did Archer investigate Arrows and what night did he investigate MNN?

He investigated Arrows both nights he said, and because of the bus driving, he got my info.

Why wouldn't he get more info about me? I don't know.

[gonvick]

I'm not saying that he ISN'T scum, I'm saying that I'd like some more clear information from Archer. I don't like the way that he attacks anyone who disagrees with him and then starts calling them scum too.

Occam's Razor works against this as well with the idea that MNN sacrificed Aussie to get golded as town.

I don't really buy the sacrificing Aussie theory. It just seems like an unneccesary play at that point.

So I think it's most likely that he found out Aussie like he claims. Though at the time I thought he was pushing for the lynch much harder than he would if it was just a gut feeling.

But either way it doesn't affect whether he's scum or not.

I have NO clue how to explain what's going on with MNN. I'm not exactly believing him to be town at the moment. I'm just not sure there aren't better targets in front of us.

In my experience scum that comes up town to an investigation is typically a really good target. I think I'd need to hear a solid theory to think someone else is a better target right now.

But I'm fine with giving it time to see if someone can/will make such a case.

[Moe Hunter]

Why are you trying to frame anything I say in the scummiest light possible?
I dunno, something about the way you say scummy things...

If you think I am scum, vote for me, and make your argument as to why. If you just wanna try to raise doubts without attaching a vote to your name, then I'll call that scummy behavior.
How quickly you forget yesterday, when I was the first to vote on you, and we had you getting pretty close to a lynch.

As to your points
1) 3 (and if you believe MNN) 4 people have already outed themselves as investigators or weaponsmiths. So has a watcher, busdrivers, roleblocker, etc.

The town will win this game when people share info. This will require some people to help the town make sense of what's going.
The only way it's safe for those people to be open, is that the protectors remain hidden. Guess what happens when the protectors come out too?
*Mafia kills protectors
*Mafia kills the now uunprotected trackers, watchers, etc

Maybe you want everyone to be in the dark, maybe that benefits you for reasons I'd doubt you would want to explain, but me, I'd like to know what the hell is going on.
I'm sure you've played mafia before. Let's take it to the extreme. If everyone says everything on Day 1, we don't HAVE a game. Secondly, this game is designed to be dark. Thirdly, guess what? I am one of the people being open! I've shared all the useful info I have.

The "bouncer" (if he's town) admitting who he is only exposes him. He has no idea if his target is town or not.

2) What I was saying, while trying to not say anyone was scum, was perhaps there is one person out there that could shed light on the burly guard situation, which may also confirm who targeted whom and what results they did, or didn't receive, for night 1.
I can't imagine that he would have received anything particularly revealing. He might be able to tell who targetted who (maybe) but certainly wouldn't share their results.

There is that. If Grunt is being honest, his Busdriving, then his targetes switch places, which would seem to confirm what Aik said... he targeted MMN night 1 but got Arrows.

What night did Archer investigate Arrows and what niight did he investigate MNN?
Really? Keep up. He posted that he targetted Arrows both times but obviously targetted MNN on Night 1 instead due to the busdriver.


And now I'm off to see my girl - 'tis a long weekend!

[Arrows]

I don't really buy the sacrificing Aussie theory. It just seems like an unneccesary play at that point.

So I think it's most likely that he found out Aussie like he claims. Though at the time I thought he was pushing for the lynch much harder than he would if it was just a gut feeling.

But either way it doesn't affect whether he's scum or not.



In my experience scum that comes up town to an investigation is typically a really good target. I think I'd need to hear a solid theory to think someone else is a better target right now.

But I'm fine with giving it time to see if someone can/will make such a case.

Just interested in different pushes and seeing what falls out. Watching Cyber Sunday at the moment, hopefully it'll be good. if I don't talk much here for a bit, that's why.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Did the person you investigate come up Lakeside aligned or not.

and what was their name?

They came up Lakeside aligned. However, I'm not going to share their name without reason.

If I share their name, it'd be to vote for them. Regardless of my actual result, I got a pretty long PM last night (not all pertaining to my own actions) and I'd be willing to lynch them to test myself and obviously because I believe their behavior warrants such action (in my opinion).

[Antithesis]

I dunno, something about the way you say scummy things...



Aight, have it your way


How quickly you forget yesterday, when I was the first to vote on you, and we had you getting pretty close to a lynch.



So lets see, you thought I was scum then, accuse me of acting scummy now, but won't vote for me. Must I twist your arm? Maybe call you bad names?


The only way it's safe for those people to be open, is that the protectors remain hidden. Guess what happens when the protectors come out too?
*Mafia kills protectors
*Mafia kills the now uunprotected trackers, watchers, etc


Yeah yeah. And guess what happens when townies don't share info in a dark barebones game.

They lose anyway.

Gasp


I'm sure you've played mafia before. Let's take it to the extreme. If everyone says everything on Day 1, we don't HAVE a game. Secondly, this game is designed to be dark. Thirdly, guess what? I am one of the people being open! I've shared all the useful info I have.

The "bouncer" (if he's town) admitting who he is only exposes him. He has no idea if his target is town or not.


You have numerous accounts from people which diametrically oppose each other. Now, maybe the mods screwed up, or maybe multiple parties are lying. That's right, it is entirely possible that learning the truth here might expose multiple scum.. You don't want to vote on me, and you don't want to get to the truth about Comrade/ Archer /Grunt/MNN/Arrows.

Well what do you want to do, eat some doughnuts?

I am here to play and win. Not log in once a day to post sniping comments because somebody hurt my feelings months ago and now I wana get even.

WAH WAH WAH

I can't imagine that he would have received anything particularly revealing. He might be able to tell who targetted who (maybe) but certainly wouldn't share their results.


And of course the game is structured entirely around what you can imagine. If you don't wanna know whats going on, fine, go eat your doughnuts and let townies who want to win discuss things.



Really? Keep up. He posted that he targetted Arrows both times but obviously targetted MNN on Night 1 instead due to the busdriver.



Oh my god, lets jump on Anti for asking a question. You gonna make remarks for everyone who asks a question? No. Then stop acting like a little bitch.

[Antithesis]

They came up Lakeside aligned. However, I'm not going to share their name without reason.

If I share their name, it'd be to vote for them. Regardless of my actual result, I got a pretty long PM last night (not all pertaining to my own actions) and I'd be willing to lynch them to test myself and obviously because I believe their behavior warrants such action (in my opinion).

Share their name.

Because I am gonna cut and paste my role PM, take the modkill, and the town can go from there with your 'lakeside aligned' target.

[Astil]

Personal Attacks. Stop them.

Warning number 2 group. Please, lets act like adults here.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

Gruntmark -2 (Crychon, Arrows)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Share their name.

Because I am gonna cut and paste my role PM, take the modkill, and the town can go from there with your 'lakeside aligned' target.

I don't even know what you're talking about here...

Post your role PM, and I doubt you'll be allowed in another game. That'd just be lame!

[Midnightnick]

I don't even know what you're talking about here...

Post your role PM, and I doubt you'll be allowed in another game. That'd just be lame!

Yeah, that's a sign of poor sportsmanship. I wouldn't allow you in any of my games that I'd run if you went and did that regardless of how I respect you as a player.

[Antithesis]

I don't even know what you're talking about here...

Post your role PM, and I doubt you'll be allowed in another game. That'd just be lame!

It can't be any lamer than

1) be accussed of being something I'm not

2) have people willingly interfere when I try to prove my role to others

3) Have the guy who accussed me of being what I am not suddenly say he doesn'tw ant to confirm someone as being town aligned

4) have to deal with someone being rude for no damn reason whatsoever


As far as I am concerned, if thats how its gonna be, then I'm done with this game, and I won't play any ones in the future if they are gonna be like this.

You had ZERO problems outing yourself as an investigator to claim I was scum. But now you won't tell the town who it is you've found to be town aligned...

that is highly suspect. And if it requires me talking about modkills to point that out, to the degree people understand how frustrating it is, then that is what I have to do.

[Comradebot]

This day is going to end in a no lynch, isn't it?

Sorry, Nick, looks like you'll still be distracted away from Music Mythology for another round at the least! :D

[mjdgoldeneye]

Does anyone else find Anti in an eerily similar position to where I've been in... say... 5-10 games in the past? (Legit question, as I want to see if it's him, me, or neither.)

You're in a tough spot. Deal..

I'm willing to out myself to nail scum, but I'm not going to compromise someone else just because you're pissed off...

[Midnightnick]

This day is going to end in a no lynch, isn't it?

Sorry, Nick, looks like you'll still be distracted away from Music Mythology for another round at the least! :D

Comrade, once again you seem so sure I'm scum. :(

[Antithesis]

Does anyone else find Anti in an eerily similar position to where I've been in... say... 5-10 games in the past? (Legit question, as I want to see if it's him, me, or neither.)

You're in a tough spot. Deal..

I'm willing to out myself to nail scum, but I'm not going to compromise someone else just because you're pissed off...

I am not just pissed off.

I am saying that I am not going to let you play on two standards without calling you out on it.

You were asked to investigate someone to help confirm or deny your first investigation, and now you won't share information.

Honestly, what does it hurt the town to tell them X was town aligned?

Seriously, answer me that much?

[Midnightnick]

Yeah, Gold. Reveal who you targeted.

While it seems like you may not be paranoid or insane... you could be putting a journalistic spin on your results. Making them reversed?

[Orange-kun]

Honestly, what does it hurt the town to tell them X was town aligned?

Aren't there multiple scum groups? The zombies and the pack (if they are the same I apologize)? Assuming thus, it could hurt town. :x

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

Gruntmark -2 (Crychon, Arrows)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm not playing under anyone's command... I never saw any mandates or subpoenas telling me what to do...

I play to help the town. Had I gotten anything worth sharing, I'd share it.

Sure, you came up scum... Are you in danger of being lynched? Not really... So, calm down. Now's not the time!

I'm sick and tired of you telling me what's right or wrong or foolish or wise... If you want to get upset and spoil the game because I don't choose to play your game, I can't really appease you at the moment...

It's just a game, and nothing I've done is even close to being against the rules. Now, why don't you sit tight and abide by the same ones I am?

[Midnightnick]

Aren't there multiple scum groups? The zombies and the pack (if they are the same I apologize)? Assuming thus, it could hurt town. :x

The Undead and The Pack would be different I believe.

And wouldn't they already know the person would be town, or at the very least, not aligned with them?

[Arrows]

Does anyone else find Anti in an eerily similar position to where I've been in... say... 5-10 games in the past? (Legit question, as I want to see if it's him, me, or neither.)

You're in a tough spot. Deal..

I'm willing to out myself to nail scum, but I'm not going to compromise someone else just because you're pissed off...

/nod

[Arrows]

The Undead and The Pack would be different I believe.

And wouldn't they already know the person would be town, or at the very least, not aligned with them?

/nod

[mjdgoldeneye]

Well, now that it's not just Anti's will pushing me, I don't have to stand by principal alone now...

I targeted Derek_B. When I got to him, he was sitting alone in his house. He "seemed normal enough".

Something about the actual text made me worry, and as I said, I have a strong feeling Derek is pulling something with his "Yea, the mods ok'd this random poem, etc." shtick.

So... There... Happy? I don't care... :p

[Midnightnick]

Well, now that it's not just Anti's will pushing me, I don't have to stand by principal alone now...

I targeted Derek_B. When I got to him, he was sitting alone in his house. He "seemed normal enough".

Something about the actual text made me worry, and as I said, I have a strong feeling Derek is pulling something with his "Yea, the mods ok'd this random poem, etc." shtick.

So... There... Happy? I don't care... :p

"Seemed normal enough"?

What flavor text did you get for Anti?

[Orange-kun]

The Undead and The Pack would be different I believe.

And wouldn't they already know the person would be town, or at the very least, not aligned with them?

I suppose. But it sort of puts them out. Like we'll leave X alone if we think he's town, so they kill X and let us fight over Y, Z and the rest. Assuming we can't protect X that is.

Though now that I think about it, it isn't much better if we lynch X. But we could save the info for that moment.

[Orange-kun]

I suppose. But it sort of puts them out. Like we'll leave X alone if we think he's town, so they kill X and let us fight over Y, Z and the rest. Assuming we can't protect X that is.

Though now that I think about it, it isn't much better if we lynch X. But we could save the info for that moment.

Although it is moot now. XD

[The Shape]

I can't be ****ed reading up on most of this, because some attitudes in general are starting to piss me off. I'll just pick out one thing (not a personal attack, it is completely game relevant):

yeah right. you were giving him an excuse to cover up for the results.

Whether you're right or not, I've made it pretty damn clear what I thought he was and said repeatedly (or at least hinted) as to why I thought that was, as I know midnight's a crafty one when it comes to hints. I'm not just going to sit here and have you say that my intuition, however wrong it was, was fictional, because if you don't have the capacity to realise that's not the case then I'm really struggling to tolerate playing alongside you.

I'll catch up sort of kind of in 12ish hours time when the phase is probably over. I think Gruntmark is likely leading the undead but I don't see what we can do info-wise beyond just going for a lynch, then there's Arrows who well...came up non town, again however nothing can come of it apart from a straight up lynch. Archer surely has to be bull****ting about something we just don't know what, and midnight I'm not so sure about now but still don't think we should lynch him.

So uh vote: Gruntmark, seems like the best option of the three in terms of just going all out risk=reward etc, will see what's going on when I get back on and change if neccessary I spose. Ciao.

[mjdgoldeneye]

"Seemed normal enough"?

What flavor text did you get for Anti?

For Anti it said his behavior was suspicious.

Also, Derek didn't answer his door and in the flavor text I even pointed that out to myself...

Yea... paraphrasing fail... :p

I think Anti's "If you don't believe me and do everything in your power to clear me I'll punch you" clears him as a townie at least...

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Antithesis - 1 (Orange-kun)

Gruntmark -3 (Crychon, Arrows, The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[Midnightnick]

For Anti it said his behavior was suspicious.

Also, Derek didn't answer his door and in the flavor text I even pointed that out to myself...

Yea... paraphrasing fail... :p

I think Anti's "If you don't believe me and do everything in your power to clear me I'll punch you" clears him as a townie at least...

And did it distinctively say he was not Lakeside aligned Gold?

Because if not, purchasing someone's protection for a night would seem suspicious no matter what side you're on.

You of all people would know that being the Mayor and all.

[Orange-kun]

Change Vote: No Vote

Nothing is coming of it and there are about two more days.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 6 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot)

Gruntmark -3 (Crychon, Arrows, The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[mjdgoldeneye]

And did it distinctively say he was not Lakeside aligned Gold?

Because if not, purchasing someone's protection for a night would seem suspicious no matter what side you're on.

You of all people would know that being the Mayor and all.

The Mayor was built as a townie role though...

Either way, Anti came up "not Lakeside Aligned".

[Antithesis]

It's not moot, because I know I'm town aligned.

Which means either I was framed night 1

MJ gets the opposite result on investigations and Derek is scum

or
MJ made it all up.

Easiest way to prove it would be to lynch me.
And once thats settled you all can take a nice, long look at Derek, MJ, and Grunt, who decided to busdrive me on a night another investigator could have cleared this all up.

3 for 1 aint a bad trade at all.

[mjdgoldeneye]

It's not moot, because I know I'm town aligned.

Which means either I was framed night 1

MJ gets the opposite result on investigations and Derek is scum

or
MJ made it all up.

Easiest way to prove it would be to lynch me.
And once thats settled you all can take a nice, long look at Derek, MJ, and Grunt, who decided to busdrive me on a night another investigator could have cleared this all up.

3 for 1 aint a bad trade at all.

I'd rather lynch Derek...

[Arrows]

I'd rather lynch Derek...

Why?

[GruntMark]

So uh vote: Gruntmark, seems like the best option of the three in terms of just going all out risk=reward etc, will see what's going on when I get back on and change if neccessary I spose. Ciao.

Sigh....

Im pretty obviously not the so called Zombie King. Wasnt I just seen chanting in my house or something?

Not out killing.

Not out abducting.

Not out playing in the town graveyard trying to recruit for the Zombie Jamboree Regata.

And clearly whatever activity I can engage in (switching people) wasnt roleblocked because Antithesis is still frothing at the mouth over it.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Why?

He's particularly suspicious to me... My PM and his claims of getting a poem don't really match up.

[nZane]

Finally caught up.

Put it bluntly, I don't trust Arrows or MNN. I've felt something was up with them since the beginning and I DEFINITELY don't trust how they both made a concerted effort to twist the vote back onto the guy who was accusing MNN of being scum. So...

Vote: Midnightnick

Also, I was able to both invent and later deliver my latest goodie to Gonvick. Not going to reveal what it is, but if the name is any indication, he'll enjoy it. :D I am a little bothered by the fact that he didn't mention receiving something, but that could be down to what he actually received.

Oh, and today's invention is going to be a fun one! :D

[Arrows]

Sigh....

Im pretty obviously not the so called Zombie King. Wasnt I just seen chanting in my house or something?

Not out killing.

Not out abducting.

Not out playing in the town graveyard trying to recruit for the Zombie Jamboree Regata.

And clearly whatever activity I can engage in (switching people) wasnt roleblocked because Antithesis is still frothing at the mouth over it.

/nod. I don't believe you lead the zombies. I DO believe you could still be one. I'm sure you understand that, and understand that I, personally, don't know what else Aussie could have been doing there.

Finally caught up.

Put it bluntly, I don't trust Arrows or MNN. I've felt something was up with them since the beginning and I DEFINITELY don't trust how they both made a concerted effort to twist the vote back onto the guy who was accusing MNN of being scum. So...

Vote: Midnightnick

Also, I was able to both invent and later deliver my latest goodie to Gonvick. Not going to reveal what it is, but if the name is any indication, he'll enjoy it. :D I am a little bothered by the fact that he didn't mention receiving something, but that could be down to what he actually received.

Oh, and today's invention is going to be a fun one! :D

Which guy was this? I'd be happy to explain why I want to lynch the guy if you'll tell me which it is. LOTS have pushed MNN.

[Arrows]

He's particularly suspicious to me... My PM and his claims of getting a poem don't really match up.

Ah.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane)

Gruntmark -3 (Crychon, Arrows, The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[nZane]

/nod. I don't believe you lead the zombies. I DO believe you could still be one. I'm sure you understand that, and understand that I, personally, don't know what else Aussie could have been doing there.



Which guy was this? I'd be happy to explain why I want to lynch the guy if you'll tell me which it is. LOTS have pushed MNN.I was specifically referring to Archer, but looking at that updated vote count, you've apparently got a vote on both him and Grunt, so I may have been mistaken. Between driving three hours to a wedding yesterday, going through the wedding and the much more fun reception, the late night at the hotel, the lack of sleep at said hotel, and the three hour drive back today, I'm a bit fried. Don't mind me. :p

[Crychon]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane)

Gruntmark -3 (Crychon, Arrows, The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

Oh, I don't know how I've missed this, but my vote's on there twice, I think I'm going to send it back over to Midnightnick, though. Also, it appears as though Arrows is on there twice.

Change Vote: Midnightnick

[gonvick]

Also, I was able to both invent and later deliver my latest goodie to Gonvick. Not going to reveal what it is, but if the name is any indication, he'll enjoy it. :D I am a little bothered by the fact that he didn't mention receiving something, but that could be down to what he actually received.

Oh, and today's invention is going to be a fun one! :D

Yeah, thanks for that.

I didn't see any real benefit to revealing that you had given me something. I'm not even sure what it does exactly. But if the name is any indication, it should be useful.

Next time you should invent an instruction manual to go with it though. :)

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane)

Gruntmark -1 (The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

durr...

[Arrows]

I was specifically referring to Archer, but looking at that updated vote count, you've apparently got a vote on both him and Grunt, so I may have been mistaken. Between driving three hours to a wedding yesterday, going through the wedding and the much more fun reception, the late night at the hotel, the lack of sleep at said hotel, and the three hour drive back today, I'm a bit fried. Don't mind me. :p

Ah. I pushed on Archer because of the way he claims his ability to be uber-godly-townie-perfection. An investigator who gets told someone's lying about stuff? Bull. Not really trying to aid or defend MNN, as I'm fairly certain he's lying somewhere. Just wanted to push Archer because I, personally, feel like he's lying through his teeth.

[GruntMark]

/nod. I don't believe you lead the zombies. I DO believe you could still be one. I'm sure you understand that, and understand that I, personally, don't know what else Aussie could have been doing there.




Good and understood.

Because I dont know the rest with Aussie either. If anyone townie would come get a look at me or something, they would see a fairly normal looking dude. Though maybe with a silly pointed hat and robe.

But certainly not a brain starved undead. Especially one that chants, which would be even more silly than a pointed hat and robe.

And seeing as how the last guy appeared to have to die to even become a zombie, I dont think its a stretch to say I, who havent died, am not currently a zombie.

[mistaken]

you all have set my head spinning.

I think either Archer or MNN should be on the block,

but for now I don't see why targeting Derrick_B should be a top priority.

Vote: ??? still can't decide

[Arrows]

Good and understood.

Because I dont know the rest with Aussie either. If anyone townie would come get a look at me or something, they would see a fairly normal looking dude. Though maybe with a silly pointed hat and robe.

But certainly not a brain starved undead. Especially one that chants, which would be even more silly than a pointed hat and robe.

And seeing as how the last guy appeared to have to die to even become a zombie, I dont think its a stretch to say I, who havent died, am not currently a zombie.

So you're, infected?

[GruntMark]

So you're, infected?


Good and understood.

Because I dont know the rest with Aussie either. If anyone townie would come get a look at me or something, they would see a fairly normal looking dude. Though maybe with a silly pointed hat and robe.

But certainly not a brain starved undead. Especially one that chants, which would be even more silly than a pointed hat and robe.

And seeing as how the last guy appeared to have to die to even become a zombie, I dont think its a stretch to say I, who havent died, am not currently a zombie.

Which is basically what Ive saying the whole time. How would I ever know that?

[Arrows]

Which is basically what Ive saying the whole time. How would I ever know that?

I didn't actually expect an answer.

So, there's a chance you're infected. Tell ya what. We're cool, for now.

Come night five, if the infected go all "BRAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNS"

Me, and you, are gonna have us a little talk, ok?:D

[GruntMark]

I didn't actually expect an answer.

So, there's a chance you're infected. Tell ya what. We're cool, for now.

Come night five, if the infected go all "BRAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIINNNNNNNNNNNNS"

Me, and you, are gonna have us a little talk, ok?:D

Fair deal. ;)

Afterall. I would keep a running list of people I thought were infected to.

[Comradebot]

Ah. I pushed on Archer because of the way he claims his ability to be uber-godly-townie-perfection. An investigator who gets told someone's lying about stuff? Bull. Not really trying to aid or defend MNN, as I'm fairly certain he's lying somewhere. Just wanted to push Archer because I, personally, feel like he's lying through his teeth.

Just want to make this point...


It's still early in the game, Arrows. I'm not too confident about Archer myself, but again I think he might just be noobish and some of his words didn't come out quite like he intended. Its suspicious, but hardly damning. We have plenty of night phases left to prove he's lying.

Meanwhile, with MNN, we've CAUGHT him lying TWICE. How many nights are we going to keep letting him run around? Catching a person in a lie once is bad enough, but when you've caught them twice.... I quote the "great" George W. Bush:

"Fool me- fool me once, shame on you... Fool me.... you can't get fooled again!"

Or something like that. Point is, do we need to keep catching him in lies? Will the third time actually be the charm, or should we aim for a baker's dozen?

[Midnightnick]

Just want to make this point...


It's still early in the game, Arrows. I'm not too confident about Archer myself, but again I think he might just be noobish and some of his words didn't come out quite like he intended. Its suspicious, but hardly damning. We have plenty of night phases left to prove he's lying.

Meanwhile, with MNN, we've CAUGHT him lying TWICE. How many nights are we going to keep letting him run around? Catching a person in a lie once is bad enough, but when you've caught them twice.... I quote the "great" George W. Bush:

"Fool me- fool me once, shame on you... Fool me.... you can't get fooled again!"

Or something like that. Point is, do we need to keep catching him in lies? Will the third time actually be the charm, or should we aim for a baker's dozen?

Joke Response: You have to keep me, it makes compelling television. I put asses in seats.

Actual Response: You may have thought you caught me in lies, but I received the results as expected no matter what you may think, and while you think I'm scummy.

Archer's results found me as town, and why he couldn't get more info on me? I don't know. But if you decide to hang me from the gallows. You'll see I'm Lakeside aligned, and losing me will be a powerful blow to the town.

[Arrows]

Just want to make this point...


It's still early in the game, Arrows. I'm not too confident about Archer myself, but again I think he might just be noobish and some of his words didn't come out quite like he intended. Its suspicious, but hardly damning. We have plenty of night phases left to prove he's lying.

Meanwhile, with MNN, we've CAUGHT him lying TWICE. How many nights are we going to keep letting him run around? Catching a person in a lie once is bad enough, but when you've caught them twice.... I quote the "great" George W. Bush:

"Fool me- fool me once, shame on you... Fool me.... you can't get fooled again!"

Or something like that. Point is, do we need to keep catching him in lies? Will the third time actually be the charm, or should we aim for a baker's dozen?

There are far more dangerous people. MNN was bus driven night 1, 2 kills.

[GruntMark]

Just want to make this point...


It's still early in the game, Arrows. I'm not too confident about Archer myself, but again I think he might just be noobish and some of his words didn't come out quite like he intended. Its suspicious, but hardly damning. We have plenty of night phases left to prove he's lying.

Meanwhile, with MNN, we've CAUGHT him lying TWICE. How many nights are we going to keep letting him run around? Catching a person in a lie once is bad enough, but when you've caught them twice.... I quote the "great" George W. Bush:

"Fool me- fool me once, shame on you... Fool me.... you can't get fooled again!"

Or something like that. Point is, do we need to keep catching him in lies? Will the third time actually be the charm, or should we aim for a baker's dozen?

This reminds me of The Who song.

Which reminds me of Caruro's character on CSI Miami.

Which makes me ask, why has no one used Horatio Cain as a town cop in a game? That would be the best roll to write for ever in game. Even regardless of genre. (After all...Cain's jurisdiction seems to spread to WHERE EVER crime may be found.)

[Crychon]

This reminds me of The Who song.

Which reminds me of Caruro's character on CSI Miami.

Which makes me ask, why has no one used Horatio Cain as a town cop in a game? That would be the best roll to write for ever in game. Even regardless of genre. (After all...Cain's jurisdiction seems to spread to WHERE EVER crime may be found.)

Those odds are very slim, aren't they? So the question becomes, Alex, was the mob sent to draw us to the crime scene...

*puts on sunglasses*

Or sent to destroy it?

*YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH!*

[Comradebot]

Those odds are very slim, aren't they? So the question becomes, Alex, was the mob sent to draw us to the crime scene...

*puts on sunglasses*

Or sent to destroy it?

*YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAH!*

Crychon, if Horatio doesn't make it into Hollywood Horror 2, then you should be banned from running mafia games forever.

It is simply too great of an idea.

Oh, and the duo from Psyche... too perfect.

[Arrows]

Crychon, if Horatio doesn't make it into Hollywood Horror 2, then you should be banned from running mafia games forever.

It is simply too great of an idea.

Oh, and the duo from Psyche... too perfect.

/nod

[Imarevenant]

Hmmmm.......

Way too much confusion, sucks I can't do anything and don't get any of these wonderful PM's. However from the looks of things. We have confirmation that Comrade blocks people from doing things, and, if we believe Arrows he doesn't do anything, yet both nights when those two conditions should have been taken into account with regards to MNN, he was able to do his "gunsmith" thing? :confused:

So.....

Vote: Midnightnick

[Midnightnick]

Unrelated question to this mafia, but since you're all Mafia players. I want your opinion.

Cornellverse 1997 Mafia.

Should it be long form or short form?

[Crychon]

Crychon, if Horatio doesn't make it into Hollywood Horror 2, then you should be banned from running mafia games forever.

It is simply too great of an idea.

Oh, and the duo from Psyche... too perfect.

Any number of those characters may or may not be scheduled for the game... Of course, none of them might be too... Who knows? :cool:

[Arrows]

Hmmmm.......

Way too much confusion, sucks I can't do anything and don't get any of these wonderful PM's. However from the looks of things. We have confirmation that Comrade blocks people from doing things, and, if we believe Arrows he doesn't do anything, yet both nights when those two conditions should have been taken into account with regards to MNN, he was able to do his "gunsmith" thing? :confused:

So.....

Vote: Midnightnick

Even if you don't believe me, he says he got his normal target night one.

[d_w_w]

Unrelated question to this mafia, but since you're all Mafia players. I want your opinion.

Cornellverse 1997 Mafia.

Should it be long form or short form?

Toughie. There are a lot of great characters during that era. In that regard, I'd say long.

However, short would make the game come up more quickly... so :p

[Midnightnick]

Hmmmm.......

Way too much confusion, sucks I can't do anything and don't get any of these wonderful PM's. However from the looks of things. We have confirmation that Comrade blocks people from doing things, and, if we believe Arrows he doesn't do anything, yet both nights when those two conditions should have been taken into account with regards to MNN, he was able to do his "gunsmith" thing? :confused:

So.....

Vote: Midnightnick

I can't explain the being able to get my results even though being targeted by Comrade, but is there any confirmation that Grunt's busdriving would prevent everyone from targeting someone?

I mean, we don't know if TBP targeted someone or not and if they got results back, and if they did target someone, what if they targeted Lost like how blackphoenix did? That would prevent Anti from buying protection, since the person he'd hire wasn't there.

And Arrows targeted no one, so that would potentially not cause a changing of targets.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 8 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane, Imarevenant)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[Midnightnick]

Toughie. There are a lot of great characters during that era. In that regard, I'd say long.

However, short would make the game come up more quickly... so :p

It'd be good for Warring Families.

DAVE vs. RPW vs. XFW vs. PPPW, with the rest of C-Verse as the main town?

[masterded]

Any number of those characters may or may not be scheduled for the game... Of course, none of them might be too... Who knows? :cool:

Shawn and Gus would be epic especially if who ever got Shawn played him in character.

[Imarevenant]

I can't explain the being able to get my results even though being targeted by Comrade, but is there any confirmation that Grunt's busdriving would prevent everyone from targeting someone?

I mean, we don't know if TBP targeted someone or not and if they got results back, and if they did target someone, what if they targeted Lost like how blackphoenix did? That would prevent Anti from buying protection, since the person he'd hire wasn't there.

And Arrows targeted no one, so that would potentially not cause a changing of targets.

Wouldn't you target who Arrows targeted, which would be nobody?

And why would the scummy bodyguard be preventing Arrows from being investigated, wouldn't he have targeted you?

Too many questions, with no reasonable answers at this point.

[UFC-KING]

Vote : Midnightnick

That way he can focus on Music Mythology

[Arrows]

I can't explain the being able to get my results even though being targeted by Comrade, but is there any confirmation that Grunt's busdriving would prevent everyone from targeting someone?

I mean, we don't know if TBP targeted someone or not and if they got results back, and if they did target someone, what if they targeted Lost like how blackphoenix did? That would prevent Anti from buying protection, since the person he'd hire wasn't there.

And Arrows targeted no one, so that would potentially not cause a changing of targets.

It would've made it so you had no target. I would've done nothing to your target. Thus, Anti's target being switched.

Shawn and Gus would be epic especially if who ever got Shawn played him in character.

DIBS!

[d_w_w]

same info below!

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 9 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

The Archer - 4 (Midnightnick, Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

[Astil]

Now THAT is effective modding.

[masterded]

Now all I can think of are the best friend pears in TV shows. How so many people are wrong and think JD and Turk have the best ever when we all know the only true answer is Shawn and Cory.

[Crychon]

Shawn and Gus would be epic especially if who ever got Shawn played him in character.

That would be... I'm a fan of when people play their roles in character.

[Midnightnick]

That would be... I'm a fan of when people play their roles in character.

Then why aren't you guys being fans of me?

I'm playing townie in distress here. :o

[treton]

Crychon, if Horatio doesn't make it into Hollywood Horror 2, then you should be banned from running mafia games forever.

It is simply too great of an idea.

Oh, and the duo from Psyche... too perfect.

What? People that like Psych? I never thought I would meet someone else that likes Psych. No one in the real life watches it.:( I claim gus, with my super sniffer to find scum.

And Vote: Midnightnick

Of all the things confusing, this one makes some sense.

[Midnightnick]

What? People that like Psych? I never thought I would meet someone else that likes Psych. No one in the real life watches it.:( I claim gus, with my super sniffer to find scum.

And Vote: Midnightnick

Of all the things confusing, this one makes some sense.

That makes sense when I was investigated and shown as town?

It makes more sense than Grunt who was visited by a zombie?

More sense than a scum result Antithesis/Town Result Derek_B from a possibly insane investigator?

More sense than an uber-god role who KNOWS when people are lying?

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

You're lynching your gun shop owner here.

A gunsmith who just wants Lakeside to be free of scum, living and undead.

But hey, your loss.

[Crychon]

Then why aren't you guys being fans of me?

I'm playing townie in distress here. :o

Not the same thing, hehe. Though, I think you're a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!

What? People that like Psych? I never thought I would meet someone else that likes Psych. No one in the real life watches it.:( I claim gus, with my super sniffer to find scum.

And Vote: Midnightnick

Of all the things confusing, this one makes some sense.

Psych is amazing. I haven't caught on to it until pretty recently, though, and through DVDs and Hulu, I'm now caught up and watch it weekly.

[Midnightnick]

Not the same thing, hehe. Though, I think you're a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!



Psych is amazing. I haven't caught on to it until pretty recently, though, and through DVDs and Hulu, I'm now caught up and watch it weekly.

I like Psych. I'm more a fan of Burn Notice personally though.

[masterded]

I like Psych. I'm more a fan of Burn Notice personally though.

Psych, Burn Notice and Monk make USA one if not the best cable station. Now if they still had The 4400 and The Dead Zone all would be right. Also boo to canalizing two shows at the same time which booth had storylines that had been going on for years, which now will never get resolved.

Also we have a whole day to still go right?

[Midnightnick]

Psych, Burn Notice and Monk make USA one if not the best cable station. Now if they still had The 4400 and The Dead Zone all would be right. Also boo to canalizing two shows at the same time which booth had storylines that had been going on for years, which now will never get resolved.

Also we have a whole day to still go right?

We have until Tuesday Morning I believe.

[Prophet]

Psych, Burn Notice and Monk make USA one if not the best cable station. Now if they still had The 4400 and The Dead Zone all would be right. Also boo to canalizing two shows at the same time which booth had storylines that had been going on for years, which now will never get resolved.

Also we have a whole day to still go right?

Dibs on Adrian Monk! Since I lost out on Burton Guster and Shawn.

[bak42]

Dibs on Adrian Monk! Since I lost out on Burton Guster and Shawn.

Damn, I wanted Monk.

[Midnightnick]

Dibs on Adrian Monk! Since I lost out on Burton Guster and Shawn.

Can I shotty Sam Axe or Michael Weston?

[masterded]

Can I shotty Sam Axe or Michael Weston?

I taker whichever he dosen't.

[Midnightnick]

I taker whichever he dosen't.

You get Sam, I'll get Michael.

And Panix can be Fiona. :cool:

[Astil]

Dib on Micheal Westen, and Orange gets to be Fi.

[Midnightnick]

Dib on Micheal Westen, and Orange gets to be Fi.

Too late Mama Weston.

[Prophet]

I couldn't be Sam. As much as I adore him, I'd be doing too many "Klatu-Barrata-*cough, cough*Nickel" lines. lol

[Astil]

You get Sam, I'll get Michael.

And Panix can be Fiona. :cool:

Damn it. Fine I'll just be Charlie and Orange can be Zoe.

Cool points for who gets the reference.

[blackphoenix]

I want george from dead like me.

[Prophet]

Damn it. Fine I'll just be Charlie and Orange can be Zoe.

Cool points for who gets the reference.

I thought I nailed this, but the guy I was thinking of was Jack. Or Zoe's boyfriend on the show, whose name escapes me. So no cool points for me. Lame. :(

[treton]

That makes sense when I was investigated and shown as town?

It makes more sense than Grunt who was visited by a zombie?

More sense than a scum result Antithesis/Town Result Derek_B from a possibly insane investigator?

More sense than an uber-god role who KNOWS when people are lying?

Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.

You're lynching your gun shop owner here.

A gunsmith who just wants Lakeside to be free of scum, living and undead.

But hey, your loss.

I believe Grunt on who he is right now, still skeptically, but believing

Well, if Anti has gotten a scum result from Derek b, then why hasn't anyone put votes on him?

Not sure what to believe on Archer, still waiting for his clearing response.

You also got a response even though you were roleblocked, seems weird, something could of gone wrong. Also, nine other people have votes on you, and I don't believe all of them are illogical.

I'm not to sure if you are scum, but wouldn't doubt it right now.

[Arrows]

Damn it. Fine I'll just be Charlie and Orange can be Zoe.

Cool points for who gets the reference.

If I'm right...:eek:

[Arrows]

I thought I nailed this, but the guy I was thinking of was Jack. Or Zoe's boyfriend on the show, whose name escapes me. So no cool points for me. Lame. :(

What show were you thinking of?

[Prophet]

Eureka.

[Arrows]

Eureka.

Ah. Not as bad as what popped into my head.

[Astil]

If I'm right...:eek:

*walks fast*

:cool:

[masterded]

You know who would be great for a forensic investigator, The Pie Maker.

[Midnightnick]

I believe Grunt on who he is right now, still skeptically, but believing

Well, if Anti has gotten a scum result from Derek b, then why hasn't anyone put votes on him?

Not sure what to believe on Archer, still waiting for his clearing response.

You also got a response even though you were roleblocked, seems weird, something could of gone wrong. Also, nine other people have votes on you, and I don't believe all of them are illogical.

I'm not to sure if you are scum, but wouldn't doubt it right now.

Gold got a scum result from Anti, and a town one from Derek. We don't know if he's insane or not, so I think we should honestly go for one of those to establish a baseline.

And I'm out for the night. I have work in the morning, be kind and if you're going to lynch me. At least do it when I'm on. I'll be in at 2-3 tomorrow.

[Prophet]

You know who would be great for a forensic investigator, The Pie Maker.

I might have to drop my Monk claim, and pick up Emerson Cod. That'd be awesome.

[Prophet]

Gold got a scum result from Anti, and a town one from Derek. We don't know if he's insane or not, so I think we should honestly go for one of those to establish a baseline.

And I'm out for the night. I have work in the morning, be kind and if you're going to lynch me. At least do it when I'm on. I'll be in at 2-3 tomorrow.

Considering how unsure Gold was about Derek, with the poem and all, that's an interesting point. I mean, he did say that it didn't seem right, right? That it didn't seem to fit? I think this might be a good avenue to explore.

Maybe?

[Midnightnick]

Considering how unsure Gold was about Derek, with the poem and all, that's an interesting point. I mean, he did say that it didn't seem right, right? That it didn't seem to fit? I think this might be a good avenue to explore.

Maybe?

If you want to follow my lead and get a baseline on Gold's investigations.

Vote Derek.

I'll lead it off.

Change Vote: Derek_B

[Prophet]

Vote: Derek_B

If nothing else, we can gain some more info, methinks.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 9 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

The Archer - 3 ( Arrows, bak42, blackphoenix)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, treton)

[treton]

Vote: Derek_B

I will follow this lead.

[gonvick]

I mean, we don't know if TBP targeted someone or not and if they got results back, and if they did target someone, what if they targeted Lost like how blackphoenix did? That would prevent Anti from buying protection, since the person he'd hire wasn't there.

I was hoping he would clarify whether he had targeted someone last night or not, but unfortunately that hasn't been the case yet.

So, TBP, if you could let us know whether or not you targeted someone last night, it would be helpful.

[blackphoenix]

Vote: derek_b

[bak42]

Changevote: Derek_b

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 9 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

The Archer - 1 ( Arrows)

Derek_b - 5 (midnightnick, prophet, treton, blackphoenix, bak42)

[Comradebot]

Wait, why are we putting votes on Derek_B again?

Because he recieved a poem? What am I missing? More importantly, wouldn't his little poetry session have been useful to the town?

I'm throwing a red flag, and want to review this play.

[Arrows]

Wait, why are we putting votes on Derek_B again?

Because he recieved a poem? What am I missing? More importantly, wouldn't his little poetry session have been useful to the town?

I'm throwing a red flag, and want to review this play.

MJ said Derek receiving that note, doesn't seem to fit with MJ's PM from the investigation. I'd guess he's saying Derek's lying about it?

[Comradebot]

MJ said Derek receiving that note, doesn't seem to fit with MJ's PM from the investigation. I'd guess he's saying Derek's lying about it?

...

Why would he lie about a poem?

Is this the top secret "Edgar Allen Poe Strategy" that is only spoken of in hushed whispers amongst mafia players?

[Arrows]

...

Why would he lie about a poem?

Is this the top secret "Edgar Allen Poe Strategy" that is only spoken of in hushed whispers amongst mafia players?

*Shrugs* To throw us off about the Undead King?

[Comradebot]

*Shrugs* To throw us off about the Undead King?

Unless there is something more concrete, this is officially the dumbest reason to ever try and lynch someone.

Ever.

I mean, really... what makes a guy think "Gee, I'm evil. How to make sure the town doesn't kill me... hmm.... oh, I know, I'll write poetry!"

The only way this turns out well is if its somehow a lucky guess and Derek_B turns up scum. Seems more likely we'll just end up forcing a townie to tell the scum what he can do.

[Prophet]

They came up Lakeside aligned. However, I'm not going to share their name without reason.

If I share their name, it'd be to vote for them. Regardless of my actual result, I got a pretty long PM last night (not all pertaining to my own actions) and I'd be willing to lynch them to test myself and obviously because I believe their behavior warrants such action (in my opinion).

Well, now that it's not just Anti's will pushing me, I don't have to stand by principal alone now...

I targeted Derek_B. When I got to him, he was sitting alone in his house. He "seemed normal enough".

Something about the actual text made me worry, and as I said, I have a strong feeling Derek is pulling something with his "Yea, the mods ok'd this random poem, etc." shtick.

So... There... Happy? I don't care... :p

There's still enough time in this phase to get more answers, before we finalize our votes. Something about this doesn't seem right, and since we have an opportunity, I figured it'd be a good time to look into it.

There's a lot of names being thrown out, and a lot of different directions to go in, and not as much information coming in. For us townies who don't get a night time PM, and play this game totally dark, the best way to get more info is to apply a little pressure. I don't want to send Derek to the gallows without that chance at info, I want to know why he seemed suspicious last night.

So long as the vote total is kept within reason, we can figure out which direction we wish to go in, once we have a more substancial table of evidence. Besides "I am not"/"Yes you are!" dialect. That's all.

[Arrows]

Unless there is something more concrete, this is officially the dumbest reason to ever try and lynch someone.

Ever.

I mean, really... what makes a guy think "Gee, I'm evil. How to make sure the town doesn't kill me... hmm.... oh, I know, I'll write poetry!"

The only way this turns out well is if its somehow a lucky guess and Derek_B turns up scum. Seems more likely we'll just end up forcing a townie to tell the scum what he can do.

Just going off what MJ said. He said he doesn't see how Derek got that, according to the PM he got. *Shrugs* That, and the whole Insane cop theory floating around, has led to Derek.

[Comradebot]

Just going off what MJ said. He said he doesn't see how Derek got that, according to the PM he got. *Shrugs* That, and the whole Insane cop theory floating around, has led to Derek.

I thought derek mentioned getting the poem during the night, not in his result PM.

That's how my text message went down. It was sometime during the middle of the night and BAM, PM.

Even then, I don't think MJD grabbed a chair and some popcorn and spent the night enjoying his voyeurific ways. Just... something seems off here.

[Arrows]

I thought derek mentioned getting the poem during the night, not in his result PM.

That's how my text message went down. It was sometime during the middle of the night and BAM, PM.

Even then, I don't think MJD grabbed a chair and some popcorn and spent the night enjoying his voyeurific ways. Just... something seems off here.

Just telling ya what MJ said. Ask him. He said he'd rather lynch Derek than Anti.

[petrija]

First, wasn't MNN under hardcore suspicion yesterday? And then there was no night kills last night?

Scum laying low? yes/no?


And I just realized Archer's play style is basically I'm rubber and you're glue what I ever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you.

Lol!

I THINK I remember seeing a role somewhere [maybe mafiascum? Not sure] called Lie Detector, or something to that effect. Basic premise was the player could take a post from the previous day phase and ask if the person that posted it was lying or not. Maybe it's that?

Badass concept.

He says I can convince(this wasn't the word he used..can't remember it exactly), people of things. If anything, I'd have to guess that's the vote manip. I even told him I'd be willing to give it a shot and see if that works come lynching time. Hell, for all I know, I have one. *Shrugs* I don't think I hinted at that, but eh.

He was told I lied about my role color. I sincerely doubt any role would ever blatantly get told that. Period.

*clears throat* is that You doing the whole I-have-a-crazy-complex-role thing again? You're a miller who manipulates votes and has to talk lots to get ANOTHER ability at night?

..Hm.

And some pretty good players too. Or at least more experienced than I. I'm actually surprised some people are still alive today. Scum is either not doing well or planning for epic surprise buttsex. I'm hoping the former.

Also I have a rough list of Day 1 (by aik I believe), should I post it or does everyone have Day 1 events down?

Lol!
And, yes.

If you want to follow my lead and get a baseline on Gold's investigations.

Vote Derek.

I'll lead it off.

Change Vote: Derek_B

WAIT WAIT WAIT.
Didn't he get a TOWN result on Derek?
We're testing to see if he's insane, but isn't it more likely he's NOT?
So shouldn't we go for the result he got as scum, just incase he's NOT insane?

I could be wrong. I'm still new.

[petrija]

And it was Anti he got as scum, right?
Who people were already looking at?

..Sounds more logical to me.
Again, I have trouble with memory so I could be wrong.

[Comradebot]

WAIT WAIT WAIT.
Didn't he get a TOWN result on Derek?
We're testing to see if he's insane, but isn't it more likely he's NOT?
So shouldn't we go for the result he got as scum, just incase he's NOT insane?

I could be wrong. I'm still new.


See, this is what I mean!

The Derek_B thing.... the logic, its dead! Mr. Spock would throw himself off a bridge.

[petrija]

Mr. Spock would throw himself off a bridge.

That'd be nice :p

[Astil]

Mr. Spock would throw himself off a bridge.

He didn't go to college for 10 years for you to disrespect him so.

[petrija]

He didn't go to college for 10 years for you to disrespect him so.

He'll get over it.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 9 (The Archer, derek_b, Moe Hunter, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, nZane, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

The Archer - 1 ( Arrows)

Derek_b - 5 (midnightnick, prophet, treton, blackphoenix, bak42)

Since no one got my reference, West Wing.

[Prophet]

Since no one got my reference, West Wing.

Ohhhhhhh!

Why didn't I think of that? Darn you old age! *Shakes fist*

[petrija]

Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

Cheeseburger.

No seriously.
That was an awesome burger.

[Prophet]

And it was Anti he got as scum, right?
Who people were already looking at?

..Sounds more logical to me.
Again, I have trouble with memory so I could be wrong.

This is what I meant when I said a lot of directions, and not a whole lot of info. This isn't a "Let's march Derek to the gallows now!" vote. Not by a long shot. We've discussed Arrows, we've discussed MNN, we've discussed Anti, and Moe, and Grunt, and Gold mentioned Derek being a bit suspicious. I wanted to explore why, that's all.

I'm not asking for him to log in and roleclaim at the chance he's gonna get himself offed the next night, but I don't know anything outside of this thread. The more info I can get here, the better I can help Lakeside win. That's my perspective on it all. I even stopped coming up with bizarre theories, because, right or wrong, they probably do more harm than good. But with only this info, I'm left to conjecture on what may or may not be happening.

I can understand why it's seen as bad logic, but from where I sit, having witnessed how quickly a day can go in Gotham, if I have an opportunity to find something out, I want to take the chance. That's all.

[Antithesis]

'm not asking for him to log in and roleclaim at the chance he's gonna get himself offed the next night, but I don't know anything outside of this thread.


Exactly. Its not just the MJ/Anti/Derek thing

but the Archer/Aik/Arrows/Comrade/Grunt/MNN thing.

If one side is being honest, then that means the other side almost completely has to be scum. I won't say its absolutely certain because people may be misrepresenting or over-representing their roles (ala Cappyboy in SW 2).

But this stuff has become so locked in the town HAS TO DECIDE SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD

otherwise you are gonna deadlock and waste more time arguing after this.

Somebody, quite possibly even a townie, has to die so that the five of you who actually paid attention can progress.

In that regard, I am at the point that I don't care if you lynch me. By all means, kill me. I am done with being mocked for telling the truth and trying to help people. I am only in the game now because Astil asked that I stay. But I don't give a **** about finishing the game or even that the town wins anymore so much as its proven that I told the truth.

So, for the people who don't understand what they should do, I'll make it easy.

Lynch me.

When it says I am Lakeside aligned, you'll know that I was not what MJ claimed.

This can only possibly mean three things

1) I was framed night 1. Possible but out of 40 people, unlikely. Though I have been framed before... in Cartoon Chaos

2) MJ is a naive investigator and his results are actually the reverse of what they should be, meaning Derek is actually Non Town Aligned.

3) MJ, who has argued strongly that he doubts he is anything but a straight up, legit investigator, lied.


Not only will you have those options, but you will also have a list of folks who voted to lynch a townie.

You'll have Moe hunter who bothered to spend 10 minutes everyday to log in and say I am scummy.

You'll have Gruntmark, busdriving me on a night when I was trying to help prove my townieness.


You'll have plenty of options on where to go and whom to pursue, and I'll have the satisfaction of knowing the one thing even more important to me than winning these games, and thats proving that I was right.

[cyberkitten01]

It's just a game, and nothing I've done is even close to being against the rules. Now, why don't you sit tight and abide by the same ones I am?

Pretty hard to sit tight with a noose around your neck

I'm not to sure if you are scum, but wouldn't doubt it right now.

So you're totally sure then..? :confused:

But this stuff has become so locked in the town HAS TO DECIDE SOMETHING TO MOVE FORWARD

You'll have plenty of options on where to go and whom to pursue, and I'll have the satisfaction of knowing the one thing even more important to me than winning these games, and thats proving that I was right.

I think Anti's right, we need to move forward. He's offering himself up (and I know the frustration) and as he pointed out, a lot can be learned from his death. If he comes up Lakeside, MJ looks suspicious, Moe looks like he was pushing hard for townie death, and Grunt was sabotaging his one chance to prove his towniness

Vote: Antithesis

Of course if he's not Lakeside, yay town?

[Moe Hunter]

So lets see, you thought I was scum then, accuse me of acting scummy now, but won't vote for me. Must I twist your arm? Maybe call you bad names?
You don't have to. If you want to be lynched I've got no problem helping along.

Well what do you want to do, eat some doughnuts?
Uh, what?

I am here to play and win. Not log in once a day to post sniping comments because somebody hurt my feelings months ago and now I wana get even.

WAH WAH WAH
I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to be referring to. I for one don't take these games (or anything online) personally.

And of course the game is structured entirely around what you can imagine. If you don't wanna know whats going on, fine, go eat your doughnuts and let townies who want to win discuss things.
Again with the dougnuts... Do I have some alter-ego I'm not aware of?

Oh my god, lets jump on Anti for asking a question. You gonna make remarks for everyone who asks a question? No. Then stop acting like a little bitch.
No, I'm going to point out that things you've asked have already been answered, recently and succinctly. For someone playing the ever vigilant townie you did seem to miss a rather pertinent post.


I think Anti's "If you don't believe me and do everything in your power to clear me I'll punch you" clears him as a townie at least...
Normally I'd agree, and it is quite possible. Although I am reminded of a very early game where someone (The Aussie or Tristram I think?) swore on the bible and their left nut that they were town... and ended up scum.


So Anti, since you seem to have given up on this game (and since you seem to think that my entire participation in this forum is only 10 minutes a day, and solely dedicated to attacking you)... Here we go.

Change Vote: Antithesis

[Derek B]

Morning everyone!

(silence)

I said, morning everyone!!

(silence)

Pah! :p Just finished getting caught up but will only be online for about another hour now and a couple of hours later on. I'm back at work this afternoon and then I'm going to be down at Sarah's for most of this evening. Just so that you know where I'll be.
Alibi: Check

Next up on my agenda, abilities and skills. My poem, as delightful as it was, was given to me by a fellow player. Presumably one who trusts me (and is therefore mad) enough to not reveal any information I have about them. As information is the most valuable tool we have and preserving our means of getting it is one of the most important things we can do in this game, I'm not going to tell you anything about how I got it. I think I know who it came from but I'm not going to speculate openly about who it is. However, since I know everyone loves clues... I believe the person who it is from is NOT voting for me right now. :)
Hint Towards Info Without Exposing Anyone: Check

And lastly, apparently I "seemed normal enough" to come up town (I think?) in MJD's investigation last night. Now with the much dreaded and often maligned "HE SHOWS UP TOWN" finger of suspicion pointed squarely at me, I'm getting pressured for information. I gave you the information I felt comfortable giving. I shared the important stuff I had the moment I knew I was able to and didn't out a useful source of info in the process. If that's scummy then vote for me... but at least remember that the first guy to lay a vote down on me is the one squirming the most in the noose even now, who seems desperate to convince us that our investigators are giving us incorrect results.
Logic: Check

And now with my checklist complete, I'm off to jump in the shower. Back in about 15 minutes or so. Have fun guys.
Shower: TO DO

[Antithesis]

You don't have to. If you want to be lynched I've got no problem helping along.


Uh, what?


I have absolutely no idea what this is supposed to be referring to. I for one don't take these games (or anything online) personally.


Again with the dougnuts... Do I have some alter-ego I'm not aware of?


No, I'm going to point out that things you've asked have already been answered, recently and succinctly. For someone playing the ever vigilant townie you did seem to miss a rather pertinent post.


Normally I'd agree, and it is quite possible. Although I am reminded of a very early game where someone (The Aussie or Tristram I think?) swore on the bible and their left nut that they were town... and ended up scum.


So Anti, since you seem to have given up on this game (and since you seem to think that my entire participation in this forum is only 10 minutes a day, and solely dedicated to attacking you)... Here we go.

Change Vote: Antithesis



The personal thing. I seem to recall some game.. maybe the GDS one. I said something and I believe you took offense. And now you want to reciprocate behind the veneer of scum hunting. Your petty little one upsmanship like calling me out for asking a question (who else have you called out for that?) shows you are focused on me. I am hardly the first person to ask someone to repeat themselves this game, but you are going to mock me for it.. why? It doesn't have any relation to my alignment, it is as I have characterized, petty bull****.

To intimate that I am scum for asking a question is fallacious. To argue that asking a question means that I am somehow not a "vigilant townie" is to contend that people who don't ask questions somehow are more townie than those that do, which is a spurious claim, since it is by the process of asking questions that one can hopefully arrive at a better understanding of what is going on.

You'll contend that I don't care about the details enough to remember them, if that were true, why then would I still somehow care enough to even ask about them?

The entire argument is silly, but if its what you are hinging your vote on, by all means keep bringing it up. Such facile justifications will look suspicious once my alignment is certified.

Now, of course I could be mistaken, and the snide little remarks may not have anything to do with a past game, they may only be related to this one. If that is the case, then I again ask, why do you continually insist that I am scum without making any sustained argument to back up the assertion?


You'll say that MJ investigated me and I came up non town. And I'll point out that you did not once mention anything about the exchange between MJ and myself, nor did you comment on MJ saying that he now believes Derek is suspicious. You reply to me, absent of anything else that happened in the thread, focused entirely on my failings as a player for asking a question and my somehow scummy behavior that you won't actually present an argument for.

This is beyond silly. And if provocation is the only way you have of hunting scum or proving your hunches, it is an worthless tactic that is only going to result in exposing your own ineptitude.

Of course, then again, maybe your real goal is just to get me out of the game, and not for personal reasons, but for game reasons. Such that when it becomes painfully clear that you were wrong, your motives can then come into question. Of course, if your current argument is any indication, once that moment arrives you will find yourself woefully inadequate in the task of convincing anyone of anything.


Now, this is not to say that I know you are scum. I know no such thing. I do know, just based on my experience in the game, that you are stretching. Maybe you've become a bit too focused on one person (happens to all of us sometimes) or maybe you have an ulterior motive. In either case this is the first time I've felt as though someone is actually trying to goad me. Your dispassionate little jibes, devoid of any logical support, strike me as being manufactured for the purpose of making me angry. And since you have yet to stick around to argue in media res as the phrase goes, I believe all your posts are shallow and contrived. A vigilant townie would try better.

Don't you agree?

[Derek B]

I'm off to work now. Catch you guys in about 6 hours.

[machinesxe]

Seriously this is the biggiest bunch O'Herbs that I have ever watched play a game of mafia. Grow a set and lynch someone. You need to lynch without fear or regret. What we are doing right now by outing some of our selves we are giving the Mafia more information to kill off the more important players in the game since the write ups are so lifeless.

Now do want needs to be done and vote someone dead...not 5hrs from now but right now! Hell 10 hrs ago would have been to late. You are giving up way to much important information by questioning each other.

Also I know your mafia type are going to argue that it's the only way for the town to get information but it's not. I mean I have a good feeling I know who the Maf is at this point but that's just what I think. I won't go into how b/c well if I am wrong I wouldn't want everyone to turn on me right now and lower the number of town people we have since if you kill me in anyway you die and I die. Lose=Lose.

[Moe Hunter]

First of all, I honestly don't remember any personal issues from previous games. Maybe you had a bad attitude that I wasn't a fan of? It's possible, though I would think that more of Arrows and THT. If I have time tomorrow I might go and see if I can find out just to clarify.

I'm the multi-quoter. Your question happened to be in amongst a bunch of other stuff you said which I felt the need to reply to. Simple as that.

I'm focused on you because you came up scum, and like you've said, the town needs to make a decision. You also begged me to vote for you today. So I've laid my vote on you because as far as I'm concerned, it's clear. Maybe you're a miller, but you've made no claims to that.

I don't believe it matters if MJD thinks that Derek shouldn't have received a poem based on what his investigation showed. I don't think that him investigating should tell him everything that happened to his target (that would be a watcher/tracker's role).

I really want to stay out of all the MNN/Arrows BS. Maybe one or both or neither of them are scum. That extends to Gruntmark and The Archer to some extent. Way too convoluted and we're not going to find out anything more in this dayphase to help us with any of them IMO.

As for me being left with no one believing me? I've been there already, in Real World Chaos. With a *much* more powerful role than I have this time.

If you've paid much attention to my townie games in the past, you should be aware that I don't kick in to gear properly until a fair ways in. Then I can start MQM Driving scum to the gallows with impunity. Until then, I can only go on the most direct information available. You came up scum to an investigation, and you roleblocked me and bribed me into protecting you, which sounds like a scummy power to me. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, and I'll deal with it and move on.

You (along with several others, which you seem to have forgotten I mentioned) can keep suggesting that protectors come out and jump around for the mafia to take them out, and insist that all our investigators are insane or naive or any number of things. I'll go eat some doughnuts.... Hey, wait a minute! I still don't know where *that* came from!

[nZane]

Derek receives a poem and a townie investigation result and is voted on? Anti receives a scum investigation result and whines like a baby over a GAME (my interpretation of it, at least) and isn't voted on as much? Something not quite right here.

I still don't trust MNN or Arrows at this point (MNN a lot less than Arrows, though), but let's deal with this other issue first.

Change vote: Antithesis

[Moe Hunter]

What we are doing right now by outing some of our selves we are giving the Mafia more information to kill off the more important players in the game since the write ups are so lifeless.

Now do want needs to be done and vote someone dead...not 5hrs from now but right now! Hell 10 hrs ago would have been to late. You are giving up way to much important information by questioning each other.

Also I know your mafia type are going to argue that it's the only way for the town to get information but it's not. I mean I have a good feeling I know who the Maf is at this point but that's just what I think. I won't go into how b/c well if I am wrong I wouldn't want everyone to turn on me right now and lower the number of town people we have since if you kill me in anyway you die and I die. Lose=Lose.
/nod, on several accounts. I can see why you were begging to be lynched Day 1.

So, with you having a hunch on who's scum, and your vote on MNN, do you feel that is the way to go? Anti can have his issues, but mine is the only vote on him. MNN is at least halfway to the gallows.

[Moe Hunter]

Change vote: Antithesis

Spoke too soon :P

[blackphoenix]

I hate no lynch so screw it.

Vote: Midnightnick

[blackphoenix]

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Change Vote: Antithesis

Sorry Harley, you want out and I can understand why. As you said hopefully it will get us some more info.

I don't know why the tone of the mafia games I've been in lately have changed so much, it just seems everyone is losing focus that this is supposed to be fun.

[Arrows]

Change Vote: No Vote

Seems like it's gonna be MNN or Anti. I'm just not ready to push either of em to the gallows, less so Anti, who I'm actually believing, than MNN.

[Antithesis]

Derek receives a poem and a townie investigation result and is voted on? Anti receives a scum investigation result and whines like a baby over a GAME (my interpretation of it, at least) and isn't voted on as much? Something not quite right here.

I still don't trust MNN or Arrows at this point (MNN a lot less than Arrows, though), but let's deal with this other issue first.

Change vote: Antithesis

Let me explain why I maybe come across as 'whiny"

In the SW2 game, several people, all of whom are highly respected, hammered me for my ego, and my in your face style.

This is not even going into my past disagreements with Derek, Outlaw and otehrs who said I am too critical, too negative about people and things that go in these games.

So, I am cognizant, maybe more so than anyone else who plays these games, about what I say and how I treat people. Lately I've made a conscious effort to try to be more civil, though sometimes I fail, still. I'd like people to think that I am not a complete *******.


Now, here we have this game, where there are no detailed write ups. There is nothing I can point to to prove what i say, and apparently I've come up scum in an investigation.

I know I am town aligned, but there isn't many resources open to em to prove it. I tried to set something up with bear so someone else could see how my role worked, and maybe confirm if it really says I "bribe" people. And hell, maybe one of the other investigators will target me and confirm what I already know.

Does this happen? Noooo, I get busdriven because somebody can't be bothered to read the thread.

very well, we all miss stuff. But at the same time I am being attacked, not just on my alignment, I think, but also petty stuff.

I sincerely feel like I was being provoked... that is, provoked into acting a way people have asked that I not do.

So, I get frustrated. I feel like I am in a no win situation, and whatever I try to do to improve my position in the game is thwarted by others... maybe by accident, maybe on purpose.

At this point the game isn't any fun for me. Then you add in MJ saying he wasn't going to talk about his latest investigation, someone he said he found town aligned and therefore could possibly clear from suspicion for the time being and he's not going to share that.

Again, maybe this is all just a series of coincidences. Maybe if I wasn't so busy trying to prove myself I could be more effective on the MNN/Arrows/Archer deal. But for me its gotten to the point where I say, why bother. If I ask questions about that situation I get mocked for it too.

Woe is me right? Yeah I know. But there is something to be said about the quality of a person that they'll kick a man when he's down. And no, I don't eman i expect anyone to believe me when i say I'm town aligned, but Jesus Christ, why is it seemingly so many people have to work against me. Especially when all I wanted to do is tell the truth and help the town.

You can call it whiny, but I don't see why I should want to play when it isn't fun.

And keep in mind, From VG to Cartoon Chaos to the last game, Gotham. I never gave up, even when I was scum and everyone knew it. I'd lie, argue, yell sometimes.

So if you think I am whiny, know that it isn't because I am scum and I'm upset that I got caught, its because I am town, and I am getting kicked around while people won't let me catch a break.

Thats why I thank you for voting for me. Truly, you'll be putting me out of my misery.

[Actarus]

Change Vote: No Vote

Seems like it's gonna be MNN or Anti. I'm just not ready to push either of em to the gallows, less so Anti, who I'm actually believing, than MNN.

/nod

Though at this point, I'm not sure there's anything more to add to the discussion...actually, I think there's one thing. But before I address the Archer.

Anti, I can't figure out if you're roleplaying or are genuinely frustrated. If it's the latter, please take a step back from the game and just calm down. We're prone to overreacting sometimes; I know I did a few times in Gotham mafia. It happens. I DO think that...when you're under suspicion, you're going to be targeted at some well-intentioned townies. It's bound to happen to everyone at some point or another. So again, just take a step back and relax. I remember a few days after Gotham mafia ended, I realized I grossly over-reacted to a few things in the game. So again, just take a step back, relax, and remember to try and have fun. :)

Finally,


To the Archer,

If you happen to read this today (and I hope you do), I humbly request the following of you:

1.) PLEASE take the time to paraphrase the information you received in your last night PM. Be as specific as possible, and DO NO MORE, NO LESS!

2.) If you wish to speculate about your PM results, please do so in a following paragraph.

3.) Finally, I think your...aggressive enthusiasm is...without malicious intent; you mean well and want to do good. However, this isn't a police drama. No matter what happens, no one is going to

Be aware that this request was not intended in a condescending manner if you interpreted it as such. Latah.

[Arrows]

Let me explain why I maybe come across as 'whiny"

In the SW2 game, several people, all of whom are highly respected, hammered me for my ego, and my in your face style.

This is not even going into my past disagreements with Derek, Outlaw and otehrs who said I am too critical, too negative about people and things that go in these games.

So, I am cognizant, maybe more so than anyone else who plays these games, about what I say and how I treat people. Lately I've made a conscious effort to try to be more civil, though sometimes I fail, still. I'd like people to think that I am not a complete *******.


Now, here we have this game, where there are no detailed write ups. There is nothing I can point to to prove what i say, and apparently I've come up scum in an investigation.

I know I am town aligned, but there isn't many resources open to em to prove it. I tried to set something up with bear so someone else could see how my role worked, and maybe confirm if it really says I "bribe" people. And hell, maybe one of the other investigators will target me and confirm what I already know.

Does this happen? Noooo, I get busdriven because somebody can't be bothered to read the thread.

very well, we all miss stuff. But at the same time I am being attacked, not just on my alignment, I think, but also petty stuff.

I sincerely feel like I was being provoked... that is, provoked into acting a way people have asked that I not do.

So, I get frustrated. I feel like I am in a no win situation, and whatever I try to do to improve my position in the game is thwarted by others... maybe by accident, maybe on purpose.

At this point the game isn't any fun for me. Then you add in MJ saying he wasn't going to talk about his latest investigation, someone he said he found town aligned and therefore could possibly clear from suspicion for the time being and he's not going to share that.

Again, maybe this is all just a series of coincidences. Maybe if I wasn't so busy trying to prove myself I could be more effective on the MNN/Arrows/Archer deal. But for me its gotten to the point where I say, why bother. If I ask questions about that situation I get mocked for it too.

Woe is me right? Yeah I know. But there is something to be said about the quality of a person that they'll kick a man when he's down. And no, I don't eman i expect anyone to believe me when i say I'm town aligned, but Jesus Christ, why is it seemingly so many people have to work against me. Especially when all I wanted to do is tell the truth and help the town.

You can call it whiny, but I don't see why I should want to play when it isn't fun.

And keep in mind, From VG to Cartoon Chaos to the last game, Gotham. I never gave up, even when I was scum and everyone knew it. I'd lie, argue, yell sometimes.

So if you think I am whiny, know that it isn't because I am scum and I'm upset that I got caught, its because I am town, and I am getting kicked around while people won't let me catch a break.

Thats why I thank you for voting for me. Truly, you'll be putting me out of my misery.

You not being the type to just lay down and quit, is exactly why I won't put my vote on you here. I don't think you really want to be out, I just think you want to make a point.

Calm down, go for a job, get your **** straight and get your head on right. Come on back, and help figure all this stuff out. You're a value player any way ya slice it, and I'd much rather have you around than not.

[The Archer]

will get to everything, but first i want to respond to this.

A few things bugged me whilst catching up. Such as people saying PM's aren't specific enough...now I don't get one myself but surely the fact that you KNOW that part about you makes it so much more helpful than the best bigger writeups which are vague and so on? It has pros and cons and adds a new element but some people blaming the mods is just silly.

Oh and I refuse to vote on Midnight, because the thing I think he's hinting was such a random realisation that I really want it to be true, lol. I'd be more inclined to go for an Arrows lynch atm after the investigation result...assuming Midnight's the don based on him coming up town is so ****ing stupid, there's no point being an investigator if that's going to be your reasoning.

You're just being ignorant, seriously. Going entirely off an assumption...that assumption being that because someone came up town, they are not. So forgive me for being incredulous. And the way you push it, the trying to laugh in people's faces because you're so certain they're scum no matter what, is something I've dabbled with in the past. And you just come off looking like a twat.

As for derek's poem...it looks interesting but it's kinda vague. How and when did you get it?

I can't be ****ed reading up on most of this, because some attitudes in general are starting to piss me off. I'll just pick out one thing (not a personal attack, it is completely game relevant):



Whether you're right or not, I've made it pretty damn clear what I thought he was and said repeatedly (or at least hinted) as to why I thought that was, as I know midnight's a crafty one when it comes to hints. I'm not just going to sit here and have you say that my intuition, however wrong it was, was fictional, because if you don't have the capacity to realise that's not the case then I'm really struggling to tolerate playing alongside you.

I'll catch up sort of kind of in 12ish hours time when the phase is probably over. I think Gruntmark is likely leading the undead but I don't see what we can do info-wise beyond just going for a lynch, then there's Arrows who well...came up non town, again however nothing can come of it apart from a straight up lynch. Archer surely has to be bull****ting about something we just don't know what, and midnight I'm not so sure about now but still don't think we should lynch him.

So uh vote: Gruntmark, seems like the best option of the three in terms of just going all out risk=reward etc, will see what's going on when I get back on and change if neccessary I spose. Ciao.

you started the personal attacks. it is in there in the thread. i dont know who you think you are, but i will not sit by and be talked down to by you or anyone else. i gave up my information. just because arrows and midnight and you want to try and spin it other ways i am ignorant and stupid? i stated the reasons for what i said. but i will go back and do it again real slow for some of you so that maybe you can understand. k?

1. Anger needs to be toned down
Now.

2. Personal attacks need to stop. Now.

This is only a game. Treat it as such.

Personal Attacks. Stop them.

Warning number 2 group. Please, lets act like adults here.

i will follow those as long as everyone else does.

[Arrows]

You not being the type to just lay down and quit, is exactly why I won't put my vote on you here. I don't think you really want to be out, I just think you want to make a point.

Calm down, go for a job, get your **** straight and get your head on right. Come on back, and help figure all this stuff out. You're a value player any way ya slice it, and I'd much rather have you around than not.

Shoulda said jog. Bah. Stupid no edits.

[Arrows]

will get to everything, but first i want to respond to this.







you started the personal attacks. it is in there in the thread. i dont know who you think you are, but i will not sit by and be talked down to by you or anyone else. i gave up my information. just because arrows and midnight and you want to try and spin it other ways i am ignorant and stupid? i stated the reasons for what i said. but i will go back and do it again real slow for some of you so that maybe you can understand. k?





i will follow those as long as everyone else does.

Really hope ya haven't taken anything I've said as a personal shot. I'm trying my hardest to avoid those.

[The Archer]

Really hope ya haven't taken anything I've said as a personal shot. I'm trying my hardest to avoid those.

no you are playing the game. trying to weasel you're way out of a bad spot. like effin in dott with demonspawn. no harm no foul. you are not the one that is lobbing personal insults at me because my results dont match with what you have claimed. oh wait maybe you are but in an in game manner.

shape on the other hand. had no reason.

[mistaken]

I think we should have done it yesterday, but then Golden lived, and I can only assume it is because he is right, and non-town aligned did not wish to tip his hand.

Vote: Antithesis

that's my vote, unless some one can tell me who protected Golden, because I think his directly outing Anti as no-town is what saved him. as if he said it and then turned up dead would be almost admission of guilt.

if Anti's not scum, then if i were mafia I would have offed Golden to make Anti look scum. So was Golden being protected? if not then I think and Anti lynch is our best bet to base line Golden.

[mistaken]

and a look at the post counts

Arrows 534
Midnightnick 513
GruntMark 171
Astil 147
Comradebot 126
Antithesis 123
The Archer 110
petrija 93
Prophet 91
mistaken 86

Arrows Maintaining a health lead over Nick.

That being said, if nick isn't scum, and he believes Arrows is town then why is he constantly running up his post count?

I have to believe based on his actions that Nick can't be on the same side as Arrows. but Nick the one who called out Aussie, who was not town alligned, and did turn to a zombie which we also lynched. So I am willing to let Nick and arrows hand around another night, and try to find out one more time what is up with the Nick, Arrow, Shape triangle.

[machinesxe]

/nod, on several accounts. I can see why you were begging to be lynched Day 1.

So, with you having a hunch on who's scum, and your vote on MNN, do you feel that is the way to go? Anti can have his issues, but mine is the only vote on him. MNN is at least halfway to the gallows.

Moe, to be honest I am just trying to get a lynch completed before time expires on us. In this game I don't trust anyone. I don't care who gets lynched in the long run b/c to be sure of what anyone is saying is 100% is to lynch them and hope it is enough detail to answer some unanswered questions.

There is no way to get enough detail on who is who right now. I mean right now I am running around claiming that if you kill me or are involved in killing me you will die whether it be lynch or night murder. How do you know I am not the don? How would you be able to find out? You wouldn't unless you kill me. Would anyone be willing to risk there life and be involved in my murder knowing my claim? Maybe? Chances are slim. I know I wouldn't risk it at this point. Maybe farther into the game. If I was don I would have someone in my group claim an investigation on me and say I came up town aligned and was protecting someone on that night. Risky by the association but chances are it would buy sometime. In this game enough to drastically effect the outcome. Since I have basically claimed what my role since day one I am coming out completely on my role.

You are the Lakeside Aligned Pyrotechnics Specialist.

What this means is I am strapped with BOOM BOOM and if I get killed at night I am taking you with me. It also means that if during the day my heart stops….I go BOOM BOOM! So in other words unless you have nothing else to life for don't **** with me! BOOOM!


So with that being said MNN I have no clue where you stand at all. My vote is on you b/c you currently have the most votes. Do I hope your not town aligned and some wicked sole. Yes. Will I be saddened if your town and we lose you. Not really b/c it helps clear some questions we all have. My thought is and has always been if there is enough doubt and question surrounding you (Going way back to when Taker666 was always townie), you are a distraction and the town suffers from that.

With all this said now I will leave you with one thought.

"With great sacrifice comes great success."

[The Shape]

you started the personal attacks. it is in there in the thread. i dont know who you think you are, but i will not sit by and be talked down to by you or anyone else. i gave up my information. just because arrows and midnight and you want to try and spin it other ways i am ignorant and stupid? i stated the reasons for what i said. but i will go back and do it again real slow for some of you so that maybe you can understand. k?

shape on the other hand. had no reason.

lol such a hypocrite. And I am not spinning anything any other way. I put forward my opinion based on something that I'd been keeping an eye on for a while, said that I disagreed with what was going on because of this, and yet because you're trying so hard to be condescending and refuse to accept any alternative solution to what you think is the case, you take offence. Not my problem.

[The Archer]

lol such a hypocrite. And I am not spinning anything any other way. I put forward my opinion based on something that I'd been keeping an eye on for a while, said that I disagreed with what was going on because of this, and yet because you're trying so hard to be condescending and refuse to accept any alternative solution to what you think is the case, you take offence. Not my problem.

by calling me ****ing stupid? and a twat? maybe i did take offence. you would have to. and its not my problem that you seem to thrive on acting all prickish.

[theoutlaw321]

Okay. Listen both of you. Astil has alreay asked you to chill. Now play nice. :cool:

[Arrows]

Moe, to be honest I am just trying to get a lynch completed before time expires on us. In this game I don't trust anyone. I don't care who gets lynched in the long run b/c to be sure of what anyone is saying is 100% is to lynch them and hope it is enough detail to answer some unanswered questions.

There is no way to get enough detail on who is who right now. I mean right now I am running around claiming that if you kill me or are involved in killing me you will die whether it be lynch or night murder. How do you know I am not the don? How would you be able to find out? You wouldn't unless you kill me. Would anyone be willing to risk there life and be involved in my murder knowing my claim? Maybe? Chances are slim. I know I wouldn't risk it at this point. Maybe farther into the game. If I was don I would have someone in my group claim an investigation on me and say I came up town aligned and was protecting someone on that night. Risky by the association but chances are it would buy sometime. In this game enough to drastically effect the outcome. Since I have basically claimed what my role since day one I am coming out completely on my role.

You are the Lakeside Aligned Pyrotechnics Specialist.

What this means is I am strapped with BOOM BOOM and if I get killed at night I am taking you with me. It also means that if during the day my heart stops….I go BOOM BOOM! So in other words unless you have nothing else to life for don't **** with me! BOOOM!


So with that being said MNN I have no clue where you stand at all. My vote is on you b/c you currently have the most votes. Do I hope your not town aligned and some wicked sole. Yes. Will I be saddened if your town and we lose you. Not really b/c it helps clear some questions we all have. My thought is and has always been if there is enough doubt and question surrounding you (Going way back to when Taker666 was always townie), you are a distraction and the town suffers from that.

With all this said now I will leave you with one thought.

"With great sacrifice comes great success."

I KNEEEEWWW IT. I KNNNEEEEEEWWW IT!

and a look at the post counts

Arrows 534
Midnightnick 513
GruntMark 171
Astil 147
Comradebot 126
Antithesis 123
The Archer 110
petrija 93
Prophet 91
mistaken 86

Arrows Maintaining a health lead over Nick.

That being said, if nick isn't scum, and he believes Arrows is town then why is he constantly running up his post count?

I have to believe based on his actions that Nick can't be on the same side as Arrows. but Nick the one who called out Aussie, who was not town alligned, and did turn to a zombie which we also lynched. So I am willing to let Nick and arrows hand around another night, and try to find out one more time what is up with the Nick, Arrow, Shape triangle.

I have NO clue where Shape came from in regards to this one. I can understand me and MNN being lumped together, because we're kinda depending on each other to be more evidence for our own cases right now. He's praying I'm town, which would disprove Archer, just the same as I'm praying he's town, to do the same thing. It's just looking less and less likely that he is, unfortunately.

Really don't know where Shape fits into this with the exception of him and Archer having their spat. I'd consider that completely unrelated though.

[machinesxe]

This whole "fight" between Shape and Archer would be the best way for two mafia members to seperate themselves from each other in this game. I mean think about it. Start taking personal shots at one another and make everyone think you hate each other so much and can't get along that there would be no way you two were on the same side.....

Or are you? :)

[machinesxe]

Damn. That last thought was great. To bad I brang it to the light. I mean it would have been a good way for me to run my mafia the next time I was in one. Damn. Now this wouldn't work. Damn.

Has this ever been done in any other games I have not been a part of?

[Arrows]

Damn. That last thought was great. To bad I brang it to the light. I mean it would have been a good way for me to run my mafia the next time I was in one. Damn. Now this wouldn't work. Damn.

Has this ever been done in any other games I have not been a part of?

I was gonna throw down with Force during Star Wars 1, to keep the fact that we were both JedCon secret, but after his whole "What the **** are you doing?!?!?!?!?!?!11111?!?!?!?!?!?!" questioning on the forums, I realized he wouldn't be able to manage it.

[machinesxe]

I was gonna throw down with Force during Star Wars 1, to keep the fact that we were both JedCon secret, but after his whole "What the **** are you doing?!?!?!?!?!?!11111?!?!?!?!?!?!" questioning on the forums, I realized he wouldn't be able to manage it.LMAO

[Antithesis]

This whole "fight" between Shape and Archer would be the best way for two mafia members to seperate themselves from each other in this game. I mean think about it. Start taking personal shots at one another and make everyone think you hate each other so much and can't get along that there would be no way you two were on the same side.....

Or are you? :)

I think there is a very good chance there are some connections. Between Shape and Archer, I dunno.. but definately in that whole cluster of MNN/Arch/Shape/Arrows/Grunt/Comrade.

That said, I'd like to remind people that Aik claimed quite a bit last phase... just where has he been lately?

[Arrows]

Alright guys. Time for me to get ready for and go to work. I'll check in whenever I get the chance while I'm there.

[mistaken]

I think there is a very good chance there are some connections. Between Shape and Archer, I dunno.. but definately in that whole cluster of MNN/Arch/Shape/Arrows/Grunt/Comrade.

That said, I'd like to remind people that Aik claimed quite a bit last phase... just where has he been lately?

I am going to run back through aik's posts but i am pretty certain he said he was going to be working alot for the next couple of days, give me a few minutest to double check that recollection though.

[mistaken]

Well I live in Tampa, so Rays fever has caught on and has been the reason I haven't contributed, which I'm sorry for. I've got the day off work so for the next few hours I can be on here before...

and the game went to like 1:30 last night, and another one tongiht, so while i agree Aik needs to pop in for a few minutes, I don't know that we should count on him giving it up before Tuesday after noon. :o

not that helps resolve anything, and not standing up for him, just saying the real world does happen some times. :)

[The Archer]

these are the posts dealing with arrows and midnight from me.

first part was switched to midnight's. came up lakeside aligned. but when asked about the hint to their role that i am supposed to get, was told that usually yes, but in this case no for various reasons. what reasons would there be for a a hint not to be given about him being a gunsmith? cant think of one. except that that would blow his story and confirm that he isnt who he says he is.

now onto arrows




i dont know how much of it i can repeat without breaking the rules. but the pm obviously led me to believe that he is full of crap. and that with my ability i can see thru his lies.

i get a hint at role. along with the alignment.



i find it ironic that the only reason i suspected him in the first place was that he was defending you.



that and the result that i got.



which was?

listen the later part of your post makes you come off like a prick. i am not assuming. you can hold out hope that you are right about him if you want. you will be proven wrong.



yours is pretty pointed. that you are silver tongued one. alludes to color. there isnt any doubt in my mind there.

night 1 sent in arrows but midnight was there instead
night 2 sent in arrows he was non lakeside aligned

the part about you being silver tongued and able to sway opiniions

or the part about it being clear that the color you used to convince the others is just another lie ?

several have asked for me to paraphrase my pms. i thought that is what i did. i really think most of the confusion is caused by the twisting and things that those two as well as others have offered. so i will attempt to make it more plain this time.

night one :
tried arrows

first sentence states i was looking for truth.
second one states what i found was different.
third midnightnick is lakeside aligned.

didnt get my clue so i sent a pm and got generally yes but no for various reasons due to waht it would give away.


night 2:
tried arrows again

paraphrasing-continued search this one managed to allude first time, but not this time. ability to sway others with his silver tongue and convince others with his hue, but not you.
clear that arrows is not lakeside aligned.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 4 (midnightnick, prophet, treton, bak42)

Antithesis - 5 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken)

[petrija]

Okay. Okay.

OKAY THEORY!

THEORY - READY?

At the end of the day phase.
We come back to all this crap.

In the meantime.
Who has been relatively quiet during all this?
Who's been not getting involved?

Should we have a look?
Cause, clearly this is getting us nowhere but into a sea of confusion and insults.

[mistaken]

Actarus 19
masterded 16
aikmitt822 15
nZane 14
Wallbanger 14
infinitywpi 13
treton 11
lprock 8
ShadowedFlames 7
theoutlaw321 7
The Rock 13 7
Glotnot 5
trypio 4
Destiny 2
iMac 2
i effin rule 1
The Masked Orange 1

[The Archer]

ANYONE HERE WHO THINKS THE MODS ARE GOING TO TELL SOMEONE THAT MY ROLE COLOR IS SOMETHING OTHER THAN WHAT I CLAIM OR WHAT THE PERSON THEY TELL THIS TO'S IS, RAISE YOUR HANDS.

Depends on the nature of what his role learns. If that what he's supposed to get, or a possibility, then I don't see why he wouldn't. Mods aren't going to change the way a role opperates to cover for lying scum. It all depends on what was decided about the role before the game started.

thanks.

If that's EVER a town role, the game it's in is broken. That's a SCUM COP.

No townie should EVER get a PM that says "This person's role title is red." PERIOD. It should NEVER happen.

I say you're entirely full of ****. There's no way a townie was given that role. That breaks the game entirely, and makes it completely ****ing pointless to play. Sorry, but you're either lying, or wrong about your own ability.

Archer. What you're saying is this.

NO SCUM CAN LIE ABOUT THEIR ROLE, OR ALIGNMENT, BECAUSE YOU SINGLE HANDEDLY ARE A GOD. YOU, AND YOU ALONE, CAN FIND OUT EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW INCLUDING THE ROLE COLOR, ABILITY, AND INVESTIGATION RESULT.

Bull****.

**** it.

Change Vote: The Archer

That's overpowered as sin.

is this normal for arrows? to get bent out of shape like this?

You have alot to learn Archer.

yep there are more out there.

He said we can lynch you OR Midnight.

And Midnight was the one caught in a pair of lies.

correct.

Uhhh.. Isn't that the same role Astil gave Jim Force/IER in the VG mafia?

He could investigate alignment and role titles (based upon a RNG).

thanks.

You want to tell me the mods specifically told someone "Arrows is lying about his ability, and his role color?" I say bull****.

;)

So then that bodyguard was meant for you and I didn't have a bodyguard.

There goes one of Archer's points against me.

no, the bodyguard would have been yours at your house where arrows was. you would have been at arrows.

So it isn't impossible for him to have a role like that.


And, honestly, Archer doesn't seem like the most... experienced player? He seems newish. And a pair of vets are going against him, which really makes me suspicious. Arrows is good enough to defend himself, why does Nick need to jump in?

Maybe to get Arrows not to place his vote back on him.

Still, I think Nick is the best option.

his jumping in is the only reason that i started to look at him. and piece this together.

And I just realized Archer's play style is basically I'm rubber and you're glue what I ever you say, bounces off of me and sticks to you.

:(




midnight you said you check at your house right? i didnt investigate you at your house. i was at arrows. lie one.

comradebot blocked nzane night one. he did you last night. but you still got results? lie 2

Actually that's pretty compelling

Like, twenty people claimed Miller in Gotham.


In fact, Arrows did towards the end of it, saying he was town but if investigated his past association with The Joker would say he was scum.

:rolleyes:

Change Vote: The Archer

He's lying, one way or another.

that was a surprise.

The second You think You might come up non-town, You claim miller.
That sounds familiar. Same with the "I-have-a-super-complex-role."

So because Arrows claimed He's a miller, the suspicion should be lifted off of Him? That's crazy. I thought you were an experienced player. Why would you say that? That's got me, really confused.

Person a: my investigation says you're not with the town!
Person b: oh! that's cause i'm a miller.
Person a: oh, cheers! sorry!

Mmkno.


Moe. Dude.

He is saying he was SPECIFICALLY TOLD I lied about my role color, on top of other things. That, ain't a cop. That, is a SCUM COP. Of course, I don't think he can do that either.

I think HE, was their sacrifice, to put me and Nick out of this game. You want to tell me the mods gave someone a role where they tell them everything you lie about?

I THINK I remember seeing a role somewhere [maybe mafiascum? Not sure] called Lie Detector, or something to that effect. Basic premise was the player could take a post from the previous day phase and ask if the person that posted it was lying or not. Maybe it's that?

He's absolutely positively sure he, and he alone, is a GOD. He can find out EVERYTHING.

He's convinced his role is perfect and that he is mega amazing townie man. So, no.

I even tried to offer the solution when he claimed something about my role color at first, that he could in fact have gotten that. As a miller, coming up non town, BLUE, would be a weird color for my role to come up. Thus, it'd be weird, and it'd get the comment.

He believes he was told specifically I have scum colors, and that my role isn't anything like what I suggest. So, he got told me role, my role pm color, and everything? Bull.

and you know what my pm's have said? oh that is right you are the uber miller townie. and i am the noob.

Yeah, it'd be really nice if Archer could lay out what he was told in complete layman's terms because I really wasn't that clear on what he actually got told. It all seemed very frantic.

A nice, clear "I was told X, Y and Z" rather than "SCUM!SCUM!SCUM! I was told he is SCUM!" would definitely help at this point. Just the facts, without any added bias from his own opinion.

done

Well, maybe if we apply some pressure that information will be forthcoming.

vote:The Archer

pressure for what? i came forward with the results.

He says I can convince(this wasn't the word he used..can't remember it exactly), people of things. If anything, I'd have to guess that's the vote manip. I even told him I'd be willing to give it a shot and see if that works come lynching time. Hell, for all I know, I have one. *Shrugs* I don't think I hinted at that, but eh.

He was told I lied about my role color. I sincerely doubt any role would ever blatantly get told that. Period.

so are you?

Lie Detector would be told if you were lying...Possibly.

Yes. As it's been said, it's called a lie detector and we saw one recently (although I believe they died before they got a chance to be useful). If they asked a Yes/No question and got an answer, they could ask the mods if it was a truthful response or not.

But that's not what's going on here. Right now I'm spent on it because you keep twisting the situation making it into 5 different claims at once (for instance, never once did he say he was a God :P), and I'll give you that he has been a bit jumbled (understandable, given his inexperience).

My vote stays where it is for now.

By the way, care to tell me exactly why you think it'd be a great idea for a protector to out himself?

thanks.

But doesn't a lie detector need to ask a direct question and get a yes / no response?

So they have to work at it and it isn't as easy as all hell for them?

I'm not buying the I'm mega awesome and Arrows/MNN/Shape are all scum that I have dead to rights thing.

I also don't like how gruntmark just says... I'm not a zombie and gets away with it while others are hounded to the death.

Vote: The Archer

for now, but it can move to GM if necessary.

also..

COUGH UP INFO PEOPLE COME ON! AND PLEASE DO IT IN A CLEAR WAY

interesting.

Do you have an explanation for why MNN would be able to get results twice now when others haven't been able to in the same situations?

nZane says he was roleblocked on Night 1, but MNN was able to get a result even though he was targeted by the same player that blocked nZane.

MNN was bus driven on Night 1 but claims to have recieved his intended result. Anti was bus driven Night 2 and was unable to do what he intended.

I don't see an easy way to square this with MNN being town. It would appear that either MNN is lying about his role, or multiple people are lying to get him lynched. I wonder if MNN is still a fan of Occam's Razor in this situation.

;)

There is that. If Grunt is being honest, his Busdriving, then his targetes switch places, which would seem to confirm what Aik said... he targeted MMN night 1 but got Arrows.

What night did Archer investigate Arrows and what niight did he investigate MNN?

says above.

He investigated Arrows both nights he said, and because of the bus driving, he got my info.

Why wouldn't he get more info about me? I don't know.

Finally caught up.

Put it bluntly, I don't trust Arrows or MNN. I've felt something was up with them since the beginning and I DEFINITELY don't trust how they both made a concerted effort to twist the vote back onto the guy who was accusing MNN of being scum. So...

Vote: Midnightnick



Ah. I pushed on Archer because of the way he claims his ability to be uber-godly-townie-perfection. An investigator who gets told someone's lying about stuff? Bull. Not really trying to aid or defend MNN, as I'm fairly certain he's lying somewhere. Just wanted to push Archer because I, personally, feel like he's lying through his teeth.

but if you are town then it would be a great role. oh yeah. sorry.

Just want to make this point...


It's still early in the game, Arrows. I'm not too confident about Archer myself, but again I think he might just be noobish and some of his words didn't come out quite like he intended. Its suspicious, but hardly damning. We have plenty of night phases left to prove he's lying.

Meanwhile, with MNN, we've CAUGHT him lying TWICE. How many nights are we going to keep letting him run around?
Point is, do we need to keep catching him in lies? Will the third time actually be the charm, or should we aim for a baker's dozen?

;)

Hmmmm.......

Way too much confusion, sucks I can't do anything and don't get any of these wonderful PM's. However from the looks of things. We have confirmation that Comrade blocks people from doing things, and, if we believe Arrows he doesn't do anything, yet both nights when those two conditions should have been taken into account with regards to MNN, he was able to do his "gunsmith" thing? :confused:

So.....

Vote: Midnightnick

;)

First, wasn't MNN under hardcore suspicion yesterday? And then there was no night kills last night?

Scum laying low? yes/no?

*clears throat* is that You doing the whole I-have-a-crazy-complex-role thing again? You're a miller who manipulates votes and has to talk lots to get ANOTHER ability at night?


This whole "fight" between Shape and Archer would be the best way for two mafia members to seperate themselves from each other in this game. I mean think about it. Start taking personal shots at one another and make everyone think you hate each other so much and can't get along that there would be no way you two were on the same side.....

Or are you? :)


no. i dont think that lakeside is big enough for the both of us, let alone a smaller group.

ok bed for me. i got 12 to pull tonight after 16 last night.

[Antithesis]

these are the posts dealing with arrows and midnight from me.











several have asked for me to paraphrase my pms. i thought that is what i did. i really think most of the confusion is caused by the twisting and things that those two as well as others have offered. so i will attempt to make it more plain this time.

night one :
tried arrows




didnt get my clue so i sent a pm and got generally yes but no for various reasons due to waht it would give away.


night 2:
tried arrows again

paraphrasing-continued search this one managed to allude first time, but not this time. ability to sway others with his silver tongue and convince others with his hue, but not you.
clear that arrows is not lakeside aligned.



Silver tongued means someone who talks eloquently.

Arrows says he has to post alot.

Its a hint confirming his post claim I think.


first sentence states i was looking for truth.
second one states what i found was different.
third midnightnick is lakeside aligned.


Couldn't that just be the Mod telling you that who you searched for (targeted) //looking for truth

was not who you investigated// found something different.

[mistaken]

Actarus 19
masterded 16
aikmitt822 15 - inspector
nZane 14 - mad scientist
Wallbanger 14
infinitywpi 13 -dead
treton 11
lprock 8-missing
ShadowedFlames 7
theoutlaw321 7
The Rock 13 7
Glotnot 5
trypio 4
Destiny 2
iMac 2
i effin rule 1
The Masked Orange 1 - not part of the game

[petrija]

Actarus 19
masterded 16
aikmitt822 15
nZane 14
Wallbanger 14
infinitywpi 13
treton 11
lprock 8
ShadowedFlames 7
theoutlaw321 7
The Rock 13 7
Glotnot 5
trypio 4
Destiny 2
iMac 2
i effin rule 1
The Masked Orange 1

I'm not sure I'd use post count as any real indication, cause that could just be that they couldn't get on.

I'm thinking, people who have been on and had things to say, but never really addressed the big issues that were current discussion.

Relatively active people, even. Someone like myself, almost :p, except, my alibi is that I have no idea what to think of all this, and that I'm not sure there's any real way solve it without lynching, and I can't decide who's the best to lynch.

Right now, I'm thinking Anti because they way he seems so ready to be lynched, and the way he's phrasing things just.. "i don't care if you lynch me cause i'm town." Just seems like a way to get out of being lynched, no?

..I'm also naturally suspicious of Arrows. I'm not sure if it's overly so.

...I SWEAR I WAS TRYING TO GET AWAY FROM THIS. #$%&! God DAMN.

What was I saying? I don't even know.

People who haven't addressed stuff. Right.
People who have been reading, and posting, but not addressing it, just, letting it go.
I feel like I'm still going in circles.

[Antithesis]

Two names that stand out the most are Glotnot and Nzane/ I think they've always had higher post output in other games.

Also need to mark that Wallbanger is dead

[petrija]

is this normal for arrows? to get bent out of shape like this?


Yes.

[treton]

Vote: Antithesis

You asked to be lynched, so I will grant you your wish. Best luck to you sir.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

[Antithesis]

Vote: Antithesis

You asked to be lynched, so I will grant you your wish. Best luck to you sir.

Not that I want to impede you, but what do you intend to do once its shown I am Lakeside aligned?

I mean, who would you want to pursue after that?

[mistaken]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 5 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

your count on anti is off, by 1

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

I must've been Mistaken.

[petrija]

I must've been Mistaken.

Name pun, name pun!!!

Bahahaha.

[Astil]

Name pun, name pun!!!

Bahahaha.

Aw, you liked it.

*pet pet*

[petrija]

Aw, you liked it.

*pet pet*

Oh dear lord.

If that's the case, Arrows got that one long ago without even knowing it.

[Astil]

Oh dear lord.

If that's the case, Arrows got that one long ago without even knowing it.

Hm, strait to the point there.

[petrija]

Hm, strait to the point there.

That one went right over my head.

[Astil]

That one went right over my head.

Arrows. Strait. Point.

It's ok. You're short.

[petrija]

Arrows. Strait. Point.

It's ok. You're short.

You editted!

Ah, I get it now - still, it's silly.

...didja see what I did there? didja, didja? pahaha. *corny eyebrow raising.*

FKHSDAJFAJKS.

I figured with THT out, I wouldn't have short jokes.

[mistaken]

Arrows. Strait. Point.

It's ok. You're short.

I think the mod is turning into a post whore too. :D:p

[Comradebot]

You editted!

Ah, I get it now - still, it's silly.

...didja see what I did there? didja, didja? pahaha. *corny eyebrow raising.*

FKHSDAJFAJKS.

I figured with THT out, I wouldn't have short jokes.

Ah... still you don't get a better way to make that pun!

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

I don't know what you're talking about Mistaken.

Serious Mod is Serious.

Besides, I'm injecting some fun back into my game. Silly shots, right up the tuckus.

[Astil]

Ah... still you don't get a better way to make that pun!

Com now, I can't think of a more rad way to put it, bot I think it's a bit too obvious.

Ok, ok, I need to shower. I'll be gone for 15 mins or so.

NO personal attacks.

NO wanks about previous games.

NO calling the mods dumb

To quote the Policies of Loathing

NO jacka**ery

10. And so on.
11. And so forth. It's ridiculous. It's not even funny.

[petrija]

Com now, I can't think of a more rad way to put it, bot I think it's a bit too obvious.

You win.

[mistaken]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

I don't know what you're talking about Mistaken.

Serious Mod is Serious.

Besides, I'm injecting some fun back into my game. Silly shots, right up the tuckus.

Com now, I can't think of a more rad way to put it, bot I think it's a bit too obvious.

you may be giving shots to the tuckus, but I'm going to kick your astil you stop. :p