Lakeside's Grand Finale (Mafia)

[petrija]

you may be giving shots to the tuckus, but I'm going to kick your astil you stop. :p

OMG!

[petrija]

You win.

No. You do not.

Mistaken does.

[Comradebot]

This whole discussion is driving me nZane.

[Astil]

I'll give it to Mistaken.

You know who's going to kill me. My girlfriend. She's going to read that page, come to my house, and kill me.

[Astil]

Ok, ok, I need to shower. I'll be gone for 15 mins or so.

NO personal attacks.

NO wanks about previous games.

NO calling the mods dumb

To quote the Policies of Loathing

NO jacka**ery

In case you missed it.

Bye all.

[petrija]

I'll give it to Mistaken.

You know who's going to kill me. My girlfriend. She's going to read that page, come to my house, and kill me.

Kinda like the mafia does?!

GASP!

[mistaken]

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each

1. Bear

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arros and MNN

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows

29. petrija

30. Moe Hunter

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio

[petrija]

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each
28. Arrows

29. petrija


Arrows claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

This is a list we can work with, let's keep adding. add claims?

I was said to not have a gun, but we've established that MNN shouldn't have gotten anything.

who was the other one who was claimed not to have a gun? wasn't it iMac?

[petrija]

Arrows claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

This is a list we can work with, let's keep adding. add claims?

I was said to not have a gun, but we've established that MNN shouldn't have gotten anything.

who was the other one who was claimed not to have a gun? wasn't it iMac?

that was phrased oddly.
he gets a reward at night for having the top post count during the previous dayphase

[petrija]

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each

1. Bear

3. comradebot

11. The Rock 13


1 - unfindable.
3 - got text, claims teen girl, was chanting.
11 - silenced

[mistaken]

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each

1. Bear

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arros and MNN

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows - claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

29. petrija - MNN claims does not have a gun, but should have been blocked by archer

30. Moe Hunter

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac - MNN claims should not have a gun, but should have been affected by Grunt bus-driver

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 7 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

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[Actarus]

Alright, may as well cast where I think we should go. Subject to change, but right now:

Vote: Midnightnick

Anti, I'm sorry if you're not role-playing and you truly want out, but at the moment I'm inclined to believe MNN is a bigger threat than you are, so that's where my vote will go for now.

[Tha Black Phenom]

god damn you all -reads whole set of pages- meant to catch up yesterday night, but I was high and too saddened over Jericho losing the title.

Alright, finally finished catching up, and to this point I should say I still don't trust MMN, Arrows or The Shape for that matter, but I'm waiting to see how things pan out. I honestly thought at this time we would've found a consensus to lynch somebody, but...

Vote: Midnightnick

[mistaken]

I'm drawing a blank, don't we know something about shape?

who was it that can hide behind people Moe hunter?

and anti can hire protection?

[GruntMark]

Anti is shady, no doubt. But Im pretty confident he hires protection at night, which on a whole isnt the scariest power ever.

The devil I know vs the one I dont...

Vote: Midnightnick

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 10 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

[Imarevenant]

I'm drawing a blank, don't we know something about shape?

who was it that can hide behind people Moe hunter?

and anti can hire protection?

/nod, to the bolded

[trypio]

I'm drawing a blank, don't we know something about shape?

who was it that can hide behind people Moe hunter?

and anti can hire protection?

Yup, Moe can hide behind people, if he hides behind a bad guy he gets killed he says. He hid behind me last night.

[mistaken]

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each

1. Bear - unfindable

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot - got text, claims teen girl, was chanting

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arrows and MNN. looked for Nick ended up getting turned away by what appeared to be arrows body gaurd

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13 - Silenced

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver, also visted by Aussie the Zombie on night 1

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold. hires some one as protection each night

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows - claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

29. petrija - MNN claims does not have a gun, but should have been blocked by archer

30. Moe Hunter - hides behind people at night, night 2 hid behind trypio. (hiding behind mafia may result in death, if moe dies after hiding we will at least have a list of confirmed town, as long as he tells who he hides behind each night)

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac - MNN claims should not have a gun, but should have been affected by Grunt bus-driver

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio

[Tha Black Phenom]

mistaken, I think it's only around the endgame we make update lists on what everyone's claimed/been discovered as.

I just fear things might get jumbled up/looked over if it's done now.

[machinesxe]

18. blackphoenix
34. cyberkitten

Both way to quite for their own good. Maybe it is my thought that a women should never play mans game but I think they have been more quite then usall.

[petrija]

Both way to quite for their own good. Maybe it is my thought that a women should never play mans game but I think they have been more quite then usall.

Waaaatch iiiiittt...

:p

[machinesxe]

mistaken, I think it's only around the endgame we make update lists on what everyone's claimed/been discovered as.

I just fear things might get jumbled up/looked over if it's done now.


Sorry to cut you off but I don't think this list is a bad idea. It puts everyone in perspective and lets you know who is more sacrficable then the other. Stop distracting people before I have the vote turned on you!

[petrija]

mistaken, I think it's only around the endgame we make update lists on what everyone's claimed/been discovered as.

I just fear things might get jumbled up/looked over if it's done now.

I'm only thinking it's necessary because of how jumbled up things ALREADY are. I mean, could it get much worse?

[machinesxe]

Waaaatch iiiiittt...

:p

To be honest I truley ment to put a :) in when I wrote that up...Maybe my subcon nows more who I feel then I do...:)

[mistaken]

I'm only thinking it's necessary because of how jumbled up things ALREADY are. I mean, could it get much worse?

it just amazes me how many of the players we know so little about, though if i were not quite as lazy as I am i could go through each players posts and see if there is a role claim or other information i am missing, but with 3000+ posts, not going to happen. :rolleyes:

[petrija]

Machinesxe, what would happen if we lynched you?

[Tha Black Phenom]

I'm only thinking it's necessary because of how jumbled up things ALREADY are. I mean, could it get much worse?

Is that why no one's coming to a foregone conclusion? Eek.

-sigh- the vote count does look messed up though(by messed up I mean quite widened) maybe it is best to do such, but I can't help but think things will be looked over at the same time.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Machinesxe, what would happen if we lynched you?

Didn't he say BOOM-BOOM?

[Tha Black Phenom]

The Derek matter is looking fishy to me, to be honest, not Derek himself but the poem thing and why people get voting for him. Just feel uneasy about it.

[petrija]

Didn't he say BOOM-BOOM?

yes, but more specifically.

is it the last person to vote for him, someone random...so on so forth.

Also, thought.
Didn't both the lynches occur with one less vote than necessary?

And Arrows has claimed to be a vote manipulator?

...Arrows. Did you double vote?

[petrija]

The Derek matter is looking fishy to me, to be honest, not Derek himself but the poem thing and why people get voting for him. Just feel uneasy about it.

Why would he fake a poem claim?
That's silly.

It doesn't clear him as scum, doesn't make him town, either.
The only thing it would do, is potentially clear him as undead, maybe.

[Tha Black Phenom]

yes, but more specifically.

is it the last person to vote for him, someone random...so on so forth.

Eh, could be either.

[mistaken]

I've been wondering if some one has the power of silent vote. but that would take vote anaylisis to see who has and has not cast a vote that has showed up in the name list.... and again just not that motivated.

[petrija]

Eh, could be either.

Which is why I'm asking. He might know.

[Arrows]

Arrows claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

This is a list we can work with, let's keep adding. add claims?

I was said to not have a gun, but we've established that MNN shouldn't have gotten anything.

who was the other one who was claimed not to have a gun? wasn't it iMac?

When did I say I was a vote manip? Archer said I was, I said I'd be happy to try it and see if it works.

yes, but more specifically.

is it the last person to vote for him, someone random...so on so forth.

Also, thought.
Didn't both the lynches occur with one less vote than necessary?

And Arrows has claimed to be a vote manipulator?

...Arrows. Did you double vote?

You said I was the vote manipulator. you and Archer. Not me, darnit. I don't double vote.


ARCHER, read here.

I think I MIGHT know what's going on. Is there ANY chance that whatever the **** happened to me last night, with me "Winding up outside someone's house....or maybe it was all a dream", had any effect on what you got when you targeted me? That'd explain the information you got.

[Bear]

You are the Lakeside Aligned Pyrotechnics Specialist

I wanted that role so bad. I wish you had played under the radar and let scum come find you. It's basically how the town won Lakeside 2. At least you're confirmed town in my eyes. Perhaps bus driving you may still be useful to us.

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each

1. Bear

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arros and MNN

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows

29. petrija

30. Moe Hunter

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio

Easy, buddy. While I can appreciate you're effort to help, I'm more worried you're updating info for scum. It's unlikely scum would do this, so I can probably bet on you being blue, but I think you should keep this to your personal notes. But since you're doing a good job, I'll clarify myself on the list. I'm not unfindable, the person trying to find me was busdriven. I hope he has better luck tonight if he isn't lynched. I also don't have a night ability. Keep up the good work.

[Arrows]

help me fill in the blanks with what we know about each

1. Bear - unfindable

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot - got text, claims teen girl, was chanting

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arrows and MNN. looked for Nick ended up getting turned away by what appeared to be arrows body gaurd

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13 - Silenced

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver, also visted by Aussie the Zombie on night 1

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold. hires some one as protection each night

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows - claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

29. petrija - MNN claims does not have a gun, but should have been blocked by archer

30. Moe Hunter - hides behind people at night, night 2 hid behind trypio. (hiding behind mafia may result in death, if moe dies after hiding we will at least have a list of confirmed town, as long as he tells who he hides behind each night)

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac - MNN claims should not have a gun, but should have been affected by Grunt bus-driver

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio

Again, I never claimed to be a vote manip. People have assumed it based on my role.

[Arrows]

Not to mention Archer's not the role-block. Seems your notes are a bit screwy.

[Arrows]

And, I'm fairly sure comrade wasn't the one chanting.

Are you really keeping notes, or just throwing stuff together to TRY and look town?

[Slim Jim]

It was GruntMark that was chanting, but that's how he bus drives people.

[Comradebot]

And, I'm fairly sure comrade wasn't the one chanting.

Are you really keeping notes, or just throwing stuff together to TRY and look town?

And I've SO never claimed to be a teen girl.

Though I might be.

[mistaken]

And, I'm fairly sure comrade wasn't the one chanting.

Are you really keeping notes, or just throwing stuff together to TRY and look town?

1 - unfindable.
3 - got text, claims teen girl, was chanting.
11 - silenced

um, all I am doing is try to accumulate the knowledge. I am trying to filter as best I can, but if i had a perfect memory i would not be trying to write it all down, where others could influence it.

[petrija]

And, I'm fairly sure comrade wasn't the one chanting.

Are you really keeping notes, or just throwing stuff together to TRY and look town?

this is the first thing i saw, so im gonna address it first.

I'm not keeping notes.

I took notes in a previous game, and when i got through 20 pages of paper, I realized it was just as hard to read through my notes as it was the actual thread.

I said I could be wrong. I'm not good at remembering stuff.

I apologize, comrade.

Second... yes, somewhere You said something about vote manipulation. now i have to go back and find it.
Just on principle.

[mistaken]

Remember not all the content below is a) mine b) Verified

1. Bear - unfindable

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot - ( per Petrija - Disputed: got text, claims teen girl, was chanting)

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arrows and MNN. looked for Nick ended up getting turned away by what appeared to be arrows body gaurd

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13 - Silenced

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver, also visted by Aussie the Zombie on night 1 (mystic source chants to achieve swap)

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold. hires some one as protection each night

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows - claims to be a miller, a vote manipulator, and gets something for talking at night.

29. petrija - MNN claims does not have a gun, but should have been blocked by archer

30. Moe Hunter - hides behind people at night, night 2 hid behind trypio. (hiding behind mafia may result in death, if moe dies after hiding we will at least have a list of confirmed town, as long as he tells who he hides behind each night)

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac - MNN claims should not have a gun, but should have been affected by Grunt bus-driver

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio[/quote]

[mistaken]

Remember not all the content below is a) mine b) Verified

1. Bear - unfindable

2. machinsxe - claims to be strapped to a bomb, was acting insane on day 1 looking for everyone to vote him. on day 2 was mad at the world and threatening to vote for anyone who crossed him

3. comradebot -

4. UFC-KING

5. bak42

7. aikmitt822 -IRL probably drunk on baseball, claiming to be an investigator, part of the whole bus driving incedent on night 1 with arrows and MNN. looked for Nick ended up getting turned away by what appeared to be arrows body gaurd

8. Lostrelms - missing

9. midnightnick- has claimed 2 people don't have a gun, contention is that being bus driven he should not have gotten a clean answer either night

10. Tha Black Phenom

11. The Rock 13 - Silenced

12. Derek_b - per Gold, town aligned but provided a poem that seem suspicious per the same investigation

13. Actarus

14. treton

15. mistaken - worthless towny (no really)

16. mjdgoldeneye - claims investigator, maybe confused or insane though

17. Glotnot

18. blackphoenix

19. Crychon

20. Masterded

21. Imarevenant

22. GruntMark - bus driver, also visted by Aussie the Zombie on night 1 (mystic source chants to achieve swap)

23. lprock

24. ShadowedFlames

25. Antithesis - not town, per Gold. hires some one as protection each night

26. Gonvick

27. The Archer - roll blocker?

28. Arrows - claims to be a miller, and gets something for talking at night. (theory: a vote manipulator - Denied)

29. petrija - MNN claims does not have a gun, but should have been blocked by archer

30. Moe Hunter - hides behind people at night, night 2 hid behind trypio. (hiding behind mafia may result in death, if moe dies after hiding we will at least have a list of confirmed town, as long as he tells who he hides behind each night)

31. Orange-kun

33. Prophet

34. cyberkitten

35. The Shape

36. nZane - Inventor

37. iMac - MNN claims should not have a gun, but should have been affected by Grunt bus-driver

38. Slim Jim

40. Trypio


* fixed comrade entirley off
* archer already had the question mark, who was it that was claiming to have roll blocked MNN last night?
* put Vote manip to theory on Arrows.

[Slim Jim]

I don't think Moe is a hider. I think his ability changes every night. First night he said he was going to be a one-time protector and chose to protect nZane before Anti paid for him to protect him instead. Then night two he was a hider and hid behind trypio. Only the mods and Moe will know what he is doing in the next night phase.

Don't think Bear is unfindable. Anti targeted him but was bus driven, which is why he found no one; not because Bear is unfindable.

[petrija]

He says I can convince(this wasn't the word he used..can't remember it exactly), people of things. If anything, I'd have to guess that's the vote manip. I even told him I'd be willing to give it a shot and see if that works come lynching time. Hell, for all I know, I have one. *Shrugs* I don't think I hinted at that, but eh.

He was told I lied about my role color. I sincerely doubt any role would ever blatantly get told that. Period.

Case. Point. Prosecution.

[Midnightnick]

And it was Anti he got as scum, right?
Who people were already looking at?

..Sounds more logical to me.
Again, I have trouble with memory so I could be wrong.

It's to test the insane cop theory.

See, this is what I mean!

The Derek_B thing.... the logic, its dead! Mr. Spock would throw himself off a bridge.

See above.

Moe, to be honest I am just trying to get a lynch completed before time expires on us. In this game I don't trust anyone. I don't care who gets lynched in the long run b/c to be sure of what anyone is saying is 100% is to lynch them and hope it is enough detail to answer some unanswered questions.

There is no way to get enough detail on who is who right now. I mean right now I am running around claiming that if you kill me or are involved in killing me you will die whether it be lynch or night murder. How do you know I am not the don? How would you be able to find out? You wouldn't unless you kill me. Would anyone be willing to risk there life and be involved in my murder knowing my claim? Maybe? Chances are slim. I know I wouldn't risk it at this point. Maybe farther into the game. If I was don I would have someone in my group claim an investigation on me and say I came up town aligned and was protecting someone on that night. Risky by the association but chances are it would buy sometime. In this game enough to drastically effect the outcome. Since I have basically claimed what my role since day one I am coming out completely on my role.

You are the Lakeside Aligned Pyrotechnics Specialist.

What this means is I am strapped with BOOM BOOM and if I get killed at night I am taking you with me. It also means that if during the day my heart stops….I go BOOM BOOM! So in other words unless you have nothing else to life for don't **** with me! BOOOM!


So with that being said MNN I have no clue where you stand at all. My vote is on you b/c you currently have the most votes. Do I hope your not town aligned and some wicked sole. Yes. Will I be saddened if your town and we lose you. Not really b/c it helps clear some questions we all have. My thought is and has always been if there is enough doubt and question surrounding you (Going way back to when Taker666 was always townie), you are a distraction and the town suffers from that.

With all this said now I will leave you with one thought.

"With great sacrifice comes great success."

The Pyrotechnic guy died in Lakeside 1.5. He killed the hitman who went to attack him.

[petrija]

I
Easy, buddy. While I can appreciate you're effort to help, I'm more worried you're updating info for scum. It's unlikely scum would do this, so I can probably bet on you being blue, but I think you should keep this to your personal notes. But since you're doing a good job, I'll clarify myself on the list. I'm not unfindable, the person trying to find me was busdriven. I hope he has better luck tonight if he isn't lynched. I also don't have a night ability. Keep up the good work.

I was thinking about that while I was at school.
Second thoughts, kinda.


Don't think Bear is unfindable. Anti targeted him but was bus driven, which is why he found no one; not because Bear is unfindable.

Like I said, bad memory.
If avatars were of actual people, i'd be able to put a name to a face and this would be a lot easier for me.
But yeah.
I remember that.
Bear = not unfindable, but was bus driven.
My bad.

[Slim Jim]

Anyway, think we need to focus on settling on a lynch, rather than updating this list. Sure, it'll help in the long run but it's not helping me get my head around who to vote for in this phase. Maybe that's just me.

Midnight is doing a stellar job of trying to fend off all the evidence being thrown his way; a weaker scum player would've caved by now.

The Archer... eh... I get what you're saying now but it does feel like you're the guy the mafia has chosen to bus to get rid of a potentially unkillable town Arrows. Conversely, you could be town and completely right and Arrows is scum. Both work.

Grunt has likely been infected and could be a "fail safe" if we can't decide who to go for. Wish I had known the chanting was how he did the bus driving before I posted yesterday; my night PM makes more sense now. Perhaps I shouldn't have been posting when my head was a bit unclear. Hmm.

Err... who else is there? Oh yeah, Anti / derek. Um. Pass on that one for now :p

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 10 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

[mistaken]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 10 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 6 (cyberkitten01, Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, mistaken, treton)

I see a lack of active posters weighing in or at least adding pressure.

Arrows? Petrija?

[petrija]

I see a lack of active posters weighing in or at least adding pressure.

Arrows? Petrija?

I said before, I'm not sure where I want to put my vote.

[petrija]

I see a lack of active posters weighing in or at least adding pressure.

Arrows? Petrija?

And I really don't think there's any more pressure added :p

[Tha Black Phenom]

Honestly, I'm still unsure about the list. Bear said it well, there's still a large number of scum out there, and you're piling up knowledge for them to profit on. That's why it's usually done towards the endgame where the scum number is usually minimal or if not, the shortened number of townies need to fix themselves together to see who's what.

[mistaken]

Honestly, I'm still unsure about the list. Bear said it well, there's still a large number of scum out there, and you're piling up knowledge for them to profit on. That's why it's usually done towards the endgame where the scum number is usually minimal or if not, the shortened number of townies need to fix themselves together to see who's what.

plus it's eating up to much space and not being filled in accurately enough to be of use. for now I will back off, though I think I may take a copy of it and keep some notes on it in word, for posting latter. I can defintly see upsides and down sides to town having a run down on the more clearly defined facts we have unearthed. I can also see how that could make some one a target.

It was more because the size of this thread has made it almost unsearchable. :confused:

[Slim Jim]

Alright then so here's where I'm at... someone was spoke of risk = reward and this is the scenario as I see it.

On the one hand we have a gun-smith that can tell us if someone is or isn't carrying a gun - something that is an interesting sidenote but not something that is really ever going to be the prime piece of evidence against someone because of the various people that could be carrying one.

On the other we have the mafia don, or a regular scum member they have decided to frame into coming up town, that has been caught lying by TWO other players, who have had their actions verified on other nights.

To me the reward is WELL worth the risk so:

Vote: Midnightnick

[Derek B]

Howdy folks, just posting to let you all know I'm caught up. I'm not going to try to summarise everything but I do have a few things I feel are worth mentioning.

First... Antithesis. I'm leaning towards him being town at this point in time but I'm going more by instincts rather than the facts. I don't think he should be our top priority just now but I do feel he is someone worth taking a look at again in future. If we have a dodgy cop or perhaps more likely a framer, then taking a look at previous investigations is worth a shot. Framers are mean people. :p

Secondly... I'm not sure posting up ALL the info we have as a group is actually a good thing. Two lines to summarise everything going on around a person isn't necessarily a good thing. Keeping track of the qualitative evidence behind it, like the post# it comes from would be more solid. But even then, with all our info pooled into one place, it becomes way too easy for scum to track how we are thinking. And I should know, posting lists like these was one of the ploys I used in VG Mafia to help influence the town's thinking even when I was silenced. Ah, Lostrelms... you were so good during that game. :)

And thirdly... I'm hungry. Time to knock some sort of catastrophe together and eat it. :)

[mistaken]

And I really don't think there's any more pressure added :p

Go day one style and just start voting for a random person, maybe you too can get as 'lucky' as nicks gut. it's nicks gut that worries me, I really wonder how out of 40 people he nailed one of the Lost?

Is Aussie usually a strong player/ have issues with nick in other games?

[petrija]

Alright then so here's where I'm at... someone was spoke of risk = reward and this is the scenario as I see it.

On the one hand we have a gun-smith that can tell us if someone is or isn't carrying a gun - something that is an interesting sidenote but not something that is really ever going to be the prime piece of evidence against someone because of the various people that could be carrying one.

On the other we have the mafia don, or a regular scum member they have decided to frame into coming up town, that has been caught lying by TWO other players, who have had their actions verified on other nights.

To me the reward is WELL worth the risk so:

Vote: Midnightnick

You forgot to include that he can jump off the bus and not get driven :)

[cyberkitten01]

Besides, I'm injecting some fun back into my game. Silly shots, right up the tuckus.

A shot in my tuckus would definitely cheer me up

Both way to quite for their own good. Maybe it is my thought that a women should never play mans game but I think they have been more quite then usall.

Hey! This is the most active I've ever been! Hollywood Horror I was a newb and only really posted a bit at the end of the game, and Star Wars 2 I was scum trying to fly below radar. This time I'm drawing conclusions, pointing fingers, and giving the V sign with kawaii face and stuff. Go read my posts and you'll see they're not "Oh my God lynch him now!" scum posts, nor are they "I see we're about to lynch this guy, but why not delay the phase and cast suspicion on him instead" scum posts. In fact go read BP's posts too and you'll see she's trying to help the town too. Archer pointed out BP's "GIVE SOME INFO GUYS" post as being suspect, but in a game this dark with this much crap being thrown around, there could be one player with a bit of evidence that says "This proves he's innocent, and that guy is scum". I've been on a team with BP when we were both scum, and this is not how we're playing this game

I'm also willing to go risk=reward

Change Vote: Midnightnick

Sorry Anti

[Arrows]

this is the first thing i saw, so im gonna address it first.

I'm not keeping notes.

I took notes in a previous game, and when i got through 20 pages of paper, I realized it was just as hard to read through my notes as it was the actual thread.

I said I could be wrong. I'm not good at remembering stuff.

I apologize, comrade.

Second... yes, somewhere You said something about vote manipulation. now i have to go back and find it.
Just on principle.

I mentioned it. I never said I could DO it.

Case. Point. Prosecution.

I mentioned it, I never said I could DO it. Given the fact that people seemed so sure I had an ability, the silver tongue and convincing people only points to one thing.

The Archer... eh... I get what you're saying now but it does feel like you're the guy the mafia has chosen to bus to get rid of a potentially unkillable town Arrows. Conversely, you could be town and completely right and Arrows is scum. Both work.

I'm really starting to wonder if whatever happened to me last night isn't somehow responsible for him getting something odd. Nobodies stepped forward to say they made me do anything last night.

I see a lack of active posters weighing in or at least adding pressure.

Arrows? Petrija?

I'm not soo sure MNN's the biggest threat we've got. Night 1, MNN could not have gotten an action off. That makes him a liar. That also means he can not POSSIBLY be a don, because two kills happened. Explain. The ONLY way he could be a don, is if MY original night target was one of the two who died, and I was lying about having no night ability myself. I'm not, thus it's not possible that he's a don. But he comes up town?

What kinda scum other than a don comes up town?

[petrija]

I mentioned it, I never said I could DO it. Given the fact that people seemed so sure I had an ability, the silver tongue and convincing people only points to one thing.

I'm not soo sure MNN's the biggest threat we've got. Night 1, MNN could not have gotten an action off. That makes him a liar. That also means he can not POSSIBLY be a don, because two kills happened. Explain. The ONLY way he could be a don, is if MY original night target was one of the two who died, and I was lying about having no night ability myself. I'm not, thus it's not possible that he's a don. But he comes up town?


You said "that could be THE vote manip." implying you knew about it.

We have no confirmation of him being a gunsmith.
It's something easy enough to claim, because there are plenty of reasons he could be wrong.

What's to say he didn't claim gunsmith to take the suspicion off him being scum?

[mistaken]

I think we lack a clear direction, and lynching some one will resolve more than lynching no one.

Change Vote: Midnightnick

[Midnightnick]

That puts me at 12, and I'm sure you're all going to choose me anyway.

Killing me isn't going to clear anyone you know. :cool:

[petrija]

What's to say he didn't claim gunsmith to take the suspicion off him being scum?

I mean, how can you be killing someone if you're checking for guns?

...Also, another theory.
It would clear him if there was another gunsmith who caught him with a gun.

"OBVIOUSLY I have a gun! a shop of them!"

[petrija]

That puts me at 12, and I'm sure you're all going to choose me anyway.

Killing me isn't going to clear anyone you know. :cool:

At worst, your death will eliminate a distraction.

[Midnightnick]

At worst, your death will eliminate a distraction.

And a strong townie player.

[petrija]

And a strong townie player.

Who will constantly be under the microscope, and thus, a distraction.

[Midnightnick]

Who will constantly be under the microscope, and thus, a distraction.

You're doing nothing but aiding the mafia by doing this.

You must be rejoicing in glee.

[Midnightnick]

You're doing nothing but aiding the mafia by doing this.

You must be rejoicing in glee.

I meant They, not you.

You don't have a gun.

[petrija]

You're doing nothing but aiding the mafia by doing this.

You must be rejoicing in glee.

Take a step back.
If you were anyone but yourself at this point.
What would you be thinking?

[petrija]

Take a step back.
If you were anyone but yourself at this point.
What would you be thinking?

You must also agree that it's weird that you got your target no problem despite being bus driven.

[Midnightnick]

Take a step back.
If you were anyone but yourself at this point.
What would you be thinking?

If I was scum, I'd be like.

Yes. Another day with no suspicion on us.

If I was town, I'd be like.

Yes, Another day I don't get ousted and killed.

[petrija]

I meant They, not you.

You don't have a gun.

Now you're making me look bad.

[Midnightnick]

You must also agree that it's weird that you got your target no problem despite being bus driven.

Did TBP ever say if they targeted someone last night?

If they did and were able to get their target.

There goes the logic of OH THE OTHER PERSON HAS NO TARGET, SO THE BUSDRIVING MAKES THE OTHER NOT WORK.

[petrija]

If I was scum, I'd be like.

Yes. Another day with no suspicion on us.

If I was town, I'd be like.

Yes, Another day I don't get ousted and killed.

Don't avoid it - who would your vote be on?

[Midnightnick]

Now you're making me look bad.

I told you.

I'm a gunsmith.

You don't have a gun, iMac doesn't have a gun.

If I was going to live, I was going to check IER.

[Midnightnick]

Don't avoid it - who would your vote be on?

Grunt or Derek/Anti.

Grunt because he's infected and I'd want Zombies gone

And Derek/Anti to establish Gold's investigation results.

[Astil]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 avaliable, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 13 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark, Slim Jim, cyberkitten01, mistaken)

Gruntmark - 1 (The Shape)

Derek_b - 3 (midnightnick, prophet, bak42)

Antithesis - 4 (Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, treton)

[petrija]

Did TBP ever say if they targeted someone last night?

If they did and were able to get their target.

There goes the logic of OH THE OTHER PERSON HAS NO TARGET, SO THE BUSDRIVING MAKES THE OTHER NOT WORK.

Okay.
Now, there's some logic.
Did we establish who was bus driven last night?

[Midnightnick]

Okay.
Now, there's some logic.
Did we establish who was bus driven last night?

Anti and TBP.

[machinesxe]

See instead of making us sit here for a ton of votes can we please finish this **** off. With out death we receive no answers...Let death thrive!

[Midnightnick]

Anti and TBP.

Anti targeted Bear, wasn't able to get the ability to work.

We do not know if TBP targeted someone.

[Midnightnick]

See instead of making us sit here for a ton of votes can we please finish this **** off. With out death we receive no answers...Let death thrive!

You're the dead one.

I am 87% sure that it was the Pyrotechnic Specialist that died in the huge explosion that killed my hitman in 1.5

Or it might've been fireworks salesman. Let me look.

[petrija]

See instead of making us sit here for a ton of votes can we please finish this **** off. With out death we receive no answers...Let death thrive!

Quit rushing it. We have til tomorrow.
We're going to lynch someone regardless, I don't doubt that.

[Midnightnick]

You're the dead one.

I am 87% sure that it was the Pyrotechnic Specialist that died in the huge explosion that killed my hitman in 1.5

Or it might've been fireworks salesman. Let me look.

Nevermind, it was Fireworks Salesman.

[Derek B]

I told you.

I'm a gunsmith.

You don't have a gun, iMac doesn't have a gun.

If I was going to live, I was going to check IER.

I hate to break it to you but IER isn't playing this game unless he's managing some supersneaking that I didn't know about.

Grunt or Derek/Anti.

Grunt because he's infected and I'd want Zombies gone

And Derek/Anti to establish Gold's investigation results.

Likewise, your vote is on the person with the town result rather than the person with the clone of a role that was scum in a previous game who also comes up scum. I'm aware of the various other circumatances, but those are the cold, hard facts.

[Arrows]

You said "that could be THE vote manip." implying you knew about it.

We have no confirmation of him being a gunsmith.
It's something easy enough to claim, because there are plenty of reasons he could be wrong.

What's to say he didn't claim gunsmith to take the suspicion off him being scum?

THE vote manip, because there's generally one per game. I also never said he wasn't scum.

I mean, how can you be killing someone if you're checking for guns?

...Also, another theory.
It would clear him if there was another gunsmith who caught him with a gun.

"OBVIOUSLY I have a gun! a shop of them!"

How could be killing someone when he's been bus driven? He would've killed my night 1 target.

I had no night 1 target. One of those deaths never would've happened. He can't be killing, or ordering kills.

[petrija]

How could be killing someone when he's been bus driven? He would've killed my night 1 target.

I had no night 1 target. One of those deaths never would've happened. He can't be killing, or ordering kills.

Right. That.
Scratch.
Arrows: 1
Cass: 0

[Midnightnick]

I hate to break it to you but IER isn't playing this game unless he's managing some supersneaking that I didn't know about.



Likewise, your vote is on the person with the town result rather than the person with the clone of a role that was scum in a previous game who also comes up scum. I'm aware of the various other circumatances, but those are the cold, hard facts.

I could've swore IER was playing. :(

And you've got a point, occam's razor and all.

But point is, I'm going to stress I'm not a Mafia Don or Mafia member at all, and when you lynch me, you'll see that.

[Arrows]

I could've swore IER was playing. :(

And you've got a point, occam's razor and all.

But point is, I'm going to stress I'm not a Mafia Don or Mafia member at all, and when you lynch me, you'll see that.

Just ask em the ultimate question dude.

Considering you can't be the don, how is it you're scum, but come up town?

I can't come up with an answer I believe, that's why my vote's not on you.

[petrija]

Just ask em the ultimate question dude.

Considering you can't be the don, how is it you're scum, but come up town?

I can't come up with an answer I believe, that's why my vote's not on you.

Is Don the only role that could come up town when investigated?
Is it absolutely impossible that there's no other factor that would make him town?
We've already said there's the possibility of a cop that's anything but ordinary.
I'm sure there are others - not as likely.
But I don't think that's the greatest defense.

[petrija]

Also..

Astil's on right now, by the looks of it.

..Are any players going to be replaced?
It's been a week.

[Midnightnick]

Just ask em the ultimate question dude.

Considering you can't be the don, how is it you're scum, but come up town?

I can't come up with an answer I believe, that's why my vote's not on you.

I figured that'd go without saying.

Especially if Archer is a godlike investigator and wouldn't get anything wrong.

I came up town.

I couldn't kill Night 1 since Arrows had no target, and who I targeted wasn't/isn't dead.

And there was no death Night 2.

Now think.

Do you REALLY kill a townie who's a gunsmith and shows town, or do you go to one of the other options like our quite possibly infected Bus Driver, or Anti or Derek to establish Gold's insanity?

[Midnightnick]

Is Don the only role that could come up town when investigated?
Is it absolutely impossible that there's no other factor that would make him town?
We've already said there's the possibility of a cop that's anything but ordinary.
I'm sure there are others - not as likely.
But I don't think that's the greatest defense.

The only way that I'd show as Town if I wasn't town was if Archer was an insane or naive cop.

And he seems sure he isn't, and Arrows said he was a miller, and Archer got scum results for him. So there goes naive or insanity.

Archer HAS PROVEN ME TOWN.

[petrija]

And how unlikely is it that Arrows is lying? We can't confirm He didn't have a target.

I don't trust Him as far as I can throw Him.

I swear I wanted to get away from this but got sucked into it.
Again.

I think our best vote, if anything, is our possible zombie-to-be.

[Midnightnick]

Guys.

Have Gold investigate me tonight.

If I come up as town to him, then Anti either got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

If I come up scum, Gold is an insane cop and Derek is scum.

[Arrows]

The ONLY way you being scum makes any sense to me, requires the following, for the most sensible one.

1. You're the Zombie King, and have a list of everyone who can be lynched right off and become a zombie. That's how you knew to get Aussie hung, and you knew Aussie wouldn't be able to come up with a logical defense for himself, guarenteeing it would happen. Possible? Yes. Let's continue with what would HAVE to had happened.

2. I'd HAVE to be scum as well, and lying about not having a night ability. Possible? Sure. Let's continue.

3. GruntMark would have had to get EXTREMELY lucky to nail two of us on the FIRST night with the bus drive.

4. I'd HAVE to already be a zombie, and be able to know who you are. If I was scum, and I knew you were lying about what happened night one because I got your target which would mean you'd HAVE to have gotten mine, why wouldn't I bust you, and try and make myself look more town with that information? We'd HAVE to be working together. Possible? Sure.

5. Grunt would've had to have gotten BOTH starting Zombie scum with the first bus driving. Possible? Sure.

6. I'd have to be a VERY eloquent zombie, capable of speaking well enough to convince people of whatever, for Archer's information to be even remotely correct, which I admit that that part of it is. Possible? No. Zombie's, aren't ****ing eloquent.


Something doesn't add up. I can't see any other way to put everything that's happened, and it make complete sense. Period.

[petrija]

And he seems sure he isn't, and Arrows said he was a miller, and Archer got scum results for him. So there goes naive or insanity.


Of course Arrows claimed miller.
Is He really gonna hop up and go, "Well, Archer got the right result on me, so I he's not naive or insane!"

There are a number of things Arrows could do there, if He were scum.
He could suggest that Archer is insane, and hang you. (He didn't, which makes it look like You two are working together.)
He could suggest that He's a miller.
He could call Archer out on being a cop at all.

I'm not willing to base ANYTHING on the assumption that Arrow's isn't lying.

[Arrows]

And how unlikely is it that Arrows is lying? We can't confirm He didn't have a target.

I don't trust Him as far as I can throw Him.

I swear I wanted to get away from this but got sucked into it.
Again.

I think our best vote, if anything, is our possible zombie-to-be.

Blackphoenix. Track me tonight. Track me every night, I don't give a ****. I don't go anywhere, because I don't have a targetable ability.

[petrija]

Guys.

Have Gold investigate me tonight.

If I come up as town to him, then Anti either got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

If I come up scum, Gold is an insane cop and Derek is scum.

I'd be willing to try it if the town was.
But still, I don't like it.
Either way, I'm just playing devils advocate. I do that a lot.

[Midnightnick]

Of course Arrows claimed miller.
Is He really gonna hop up and go, "Well, Archer got the right result on me, so I he's not naive or insane!"

There are a number of things Arrows could do there, if He were scum.
He could suggest that Archer is insane, and hang you. (He didn't, which makes it look like You two are working together.)
He could suggest that He's a miller.
He could call Archer out on being a cop at all.

I'm not willing to base ANYTHING on the assumption that Arrow's isn't lying.

I know I'm not lying and all my assumptions HAVE to be based on Arrows not lying.

Have Gold investigate me or Arrows then.

Just like what I said about me, if Gold investigates Arrows and Arrows shows as scum, that means Anti got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

That would also make Arrows be either miller or scum.

If Arrows shows as town, that means Gold is insane and that makes Derek scum.

It still makes Arrows scum or Miller, and I'm leaning toward Miller.

[Midnightnick]

I'd be willing to try it if the town was.
But still, I don't like it.
Either way, I'm just playing devils advocate. I do that a lot.

It'd clear me, and implicate actual scum as well.

It is what we SHOULD be doing.

You know, finding and lynching scum.

Not lynching me. Townie gunsmith.

[petrija]

That also wastes us another Day Phase.
Risk = Reward, remember?

[Midnightnick]

That also wastes us another Day Phase.
Risk = Reward, remember?

We lynch the infected Grunt as an alternative.

If he winds up being like Aussie (which I doubt would happen). We get a vig to nightkill him. Simple.

Change Vote: Gruntmark

[Imarevenant]

Guys.

Have Gold investigate me tonight.

If I come up as town to him, then Anti either got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

If I come up scum, Gold is an insane cop and Derek is scum.

That's not an option.

If there is any possibility of a framer being around, wouldn't announcing who is going to be investigated totally negate the purpose of said investigation?

[petrija]

That's not an option.

If there is any possibility of a framer being around, wouldn't announcing who is going to be investigated totally negate the purpose of said investigation?

dioufaskdhfakjs
...right.

[Midnightnick]

That's not an option.

If there is any possibility of a framer being around, wouldn't announcing who is going to be investigated totally negate the purpose of said investigation?

Not to be a consumer of resources, have a watcher on me as well then.

I tell you Rev, you lynch me, you're lynching town.

Archer found me as town.

I can't possibly be a don as I was not responsible for either of the two kills or Lost's kidnapping.

How can one show up as town when investigated if not a don?

...

They're town. Ding ding ding.

[mistaken]

dioufaskdhfakjs
...right.

anti claimed he was 'framed'

if some one has this power, telling them who is going to be targeted, allows them to 'frame' that person

[Midnightnick]

Not to be a consumer of resources, have a watcher on me as well then.

I tell you Rev, you lynch me, you're lynching town.

Archer found me as town.

I can't possibly be a don as I was not responsible for either of the two kills or Lost's kidnapping.

How can one show up as town when investigated if not a don?

...

They're town. Ding ding ding.

AND

There's no way I could be framed if the framer was framing Anti if Gold is not insane and Anti isn't actually scum.

[petrija]

Also.
..
Lost being kidnapped.
Do we think that's the zombies, or a recruitment, or what?
And The Rock 13 was silenced, right?

[Midnightnick]

Also.
..
Lost being kidnapped.
Do we think that's the zombies, or a recruitment, or what?
And The Rock 13 was silenced, right?

Well, Aussie targeted Grunt, not Lost so I doubt that was Zombies.

And I forgot about Rock being silenced. That got totally pushed to the way-side.

[petrija]

Possible silencing happens before they learn to chant? :p

[petrija]

And I forgot about Rock being silenced. That got totally pushed to the way-side.

Case and point about being a distraction.

[Derek B]

I'm heading out to Sarah's now, don't know how long I'll be gone but unless I'm really late or totally crash out... I should be online again tonight. A lot has been said in this phase and not a lot of it seems to have stuck. From my point of view it looks like Nick is desperately throwing out lures and hoping one catches on. But then, if I were in his position I'd probably end up doing the same thing.

By now I can't help thinking that if we haven't made up our minds then we aren't going to end up with a lynch at all. Regardless of what else happens during this phase I hope we at least can reach a concensus... and soon. I'd just hate for all this talking to fail to lead to action.

Catch you all later.

[Midnightnick]

I'm heading out to Sarah's now, don't know how long I'll be gone but unless I'm really late or totally crash out... I should be online again tonight. A lot has been said in this phase and not a lot of it seems to have stuck. From my point of view it looks like Nick is desperately throwing out lures and hoping one catches on. But then, if I were in his position I'd probably end up doing the same thing.

By now I can't help thinking that if we haven't made up our minds then we aren't going to end up with a lynch at all. Regardless of what else happens during this phase I hope we at least can reach a concensus... and soon. I'd just hate for all this talking to fail to lead to action.

Catch you all later.

I'm throwing out options because I AM TOWN.

ARCHER FOUND ME AS TOWN.

TOWN. LAKESIDE ALIGNED. I CAN NOT STRESS THAT ENOUGH.

Cue end of big bold letters.

You are making a mistake with lynching me. But if that's what you're going to do. Do it and prove how wrong you'll be.

The scum must be rejoicing at this. You're doing the dirty work for them.

[Imarevenant]

Not to be a consumer of resources, have a watcher on me as well then.

I tell you Rev, you lynch me, you're lynching town.

Archer found me as town.

I can't possibly be a don as I was not responsible for either of the two kills or Lost's kidnapping.

How can one show up as town when investigated if not a don?

...

They're town. Ding ding ding.

Don't play naive, that's one of the reason's I'm leaning toward lynching you.

I'll freely admit the waters are very murky around the situation involving you/Arrows/Archer/Gruntmark etc. However, there have been plenty of games where the mafia has had a framer that could change their members alignments; and you know this.

There have been games, where members other than the Don has come up Town Aligned as well.

Furthermore.....

We have no concrete proof that the two kills night 1 were for sure Mafia, could have been an SK and a Vig for all we know (and I'm not saying I believe that, just showing one of many possibilities).

What I do know is that even throwing out what we only "assume" with Gruntmarks switching (that you shouldn't have targeted anyone).

There are still other problems. 1) the scummy bodyguard should have been targeting you, not arrows; it's similar to the scummy bodyguard protecting Taker in DOTT that we all should have acted on right away instead of letting him hang around 2) Comrade has been confirmed to be a roleblocker, but you claim you were able to get your results last night. That's not sitting right with me. Add that the kills last night were not accounted for on a night you were targeted by a role blocker? And, well, things look even worse.

Are you the Don? Can't say. Could you be a hitman? Yes. Could you not be "actual scum" but be scum like? Yep.

[machinesxe]

I am sorry but this is borrrrriiinnng. I challenge all you pansies to vote for the leading person and end this ****. I want to see the blood of someone. Have I not given enough reason that anyone at this point is a good solution?

Quit being bitches and VOTE NOW

[Midnightnick]

Don't play naive, that's one of the reason's I'm leaning toward lynching you.

I'll freely admit the waters are very murky around the situation involving you/Arrows/Archer/Gruntmark etc. However, there have been plenty of games where the mafia has had a framer that could change their members alignments; and you know this.

There have been games, where members other than the Don has come up Town Aligned as well.

Furthermore.....

We have no concrete proof that the two kills night 1 were for sure Mafia, could have been an SK and a Vig for all we know (and I'm not saying I believe that, just showing one of many possibilities).

What I do know is that even throwing out what we only "assume" with Gruntmarks switching (that you shouldn't have targeted anyone).

There are still other problems. 1) the scummy bodyguard should have been targeting you, not arrows; it's similar to the scummy bodyguard protecting Taker in DOTT that we all should have acted on right away instead of letting him hang around 2) Comrade has been confirmed to be a roleblocker, but you claim you were able to get your results last night. That's not sitting right with me. Add that the kills last night were not accounted for on a night you were targeted by a role blocker? And, well, things look even worse.

Are you the Don? Can't say. Could you be a hitman? Yes. Could you not be "actual scum" but be scum like? Yep.

I was still switched Night 1 Rev.

I targeted iMac.

Arrows did not target anyone.

I had nothing to do with Infinity/Banger/Lost.

Also, we aren't sure the bodyguard is a actual player yet. It seems very possible, but Arrows isn't sure due to his role, so it may have had to do with him.

So Hitman? No. Don? No. Actual-scum? No. Scum-Like? No.

And don't ask me how I wasn't roleblocked. It said I didn't talk. How do we know Comrade only roleblocks 50% of the time depending on if they want to talk to him?

[Midnightnick]

I am sorry but this is borrrrriiinnng. I challenge all you pansies to vote for the leading person and end this ****. I want to see the blood of someone. Have I not given enough reason that anyone at this point is a good solution?

Quit being bitches and VOTE NOW

I did.

For the Infected Grunt.

[petrija]

Did Arrows have the lead post count at the end of last day phase?

[machinesxe]

I did.

For the Infected Grunt.

Dude I am not talking about you. Sorry, you are the lead lynch right now and from what I can tell will validate a few questions after you die. Again if your town sorry MNN

[machinesxe]

I am sorry but this is borrrrriiinnng. I challenge all you pansies to vote for the leading person and end this ****. I want to see the blood of someone. Have I not given enough reason that anyone at this point is a good solution?

Quit being bitches and VOTE NOW

What he said.

[Midnightnick]

What he said.

You quoted yourself. :rolleyes:

Dude I am not talking about you. Sorry, you are the lead lynch right now and from what I can tell will validate a few questions after you die. Again if your town sorry MNN

You know it'd be easier just to have Gold check me out since it'd also answer the unanswered question of his sanity on investigations.

Did Arrows have the lead post count at the end of last day phase?

Yes.

[mistaken]

I am sorry but this is borrrrriiinnng. I challenge all you pansies to vote for the leading person and end this ****. I want to see the blood of someone. Have I not given enough reason that anyone at this point is a good solution?

Quit being bitches and VOTE NOW

What he said.

I swear you character is insane and you are playing it to the hilt!

when you blow some one up, I call dibs on your stuff!

[machinesxe]

You know it'd be easier just to have Gold check me out since it'd also answer the unanswered question of his sanity on investigations.

Maybe I missed it but are we sure 100% gold is town and not in some kind of faction w/ you?

[petrija]

Yes.

And did He say what He got for it?

[machinesxe]

I swear you character is insane and you are playing it to the hilt!

when you blow some one up, I call dibs on your stuff!

Nothing will be left....save the cheerleader save the world....

[petrija]

Nothing will be left....save the cheerleader save the world....

*DANCES* I GOT TO BE PETER.
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT?

...That.
Was the single most amazing moment of my life.

[Midnightnick]

Maybe I missed it but are we sure 100% gold is town and not in some kind of faction w/ you?

There's no proof of Gold being Lakeside aligned, and he'd only be in the same faction with me if he was Lakeside aligned.

And did He say what He got for it?

No he did not. Or if he did, I didn't see.

[petrija]

No he did not. Or if he did, I didn't see.

Weird.

I'd like to ask if anyone targeted Him, but that could be risking outing ANOTHER townie.
And I know I haven't played a lot, but don't we already have more than the average amount of players outed already, for this early in the game?

[machinesxe]

There's no proof of Gold being Lakeside aligned, and he'd only be in the same faction with me if he was Lakeside aligned.
No he did not. Or if he did, I didn't see.

Only b/c I have doubt that your Mafia aligned give me and everyone here good enough "gut" that someone else is a better target right now?

My only suggestion right now besides you would be the fems i mentioned b4 and anyone who is in the game that hasn't posted yet hasn't been replaced....Anyone that hasn't???

Where is my list guy? Give me the info.

[Midnightnick]

Weird.

I'd like to ask if anyone targeted Him, but that could be risking outing ANOTHER townie.
And I know I haven't played a lot, but don't we already have more than the average amount of players outed already, for this early in the game?

We're a fairly large game.

I believe Return To E-Ville had alot of people out themselves early too.

At least I did. I always out myself the first 2-3 days.

[GruntMark]

I fail to see the logic in lynching me anyway. Right now:

1. I can vote with the town.

2. I can help during the night phase.

Plus, yall know who I am. If I die a scum related murder like death at night, yall know who I am and can easily deal with it then.

And finally, if ya hang me now and I turn out to be a newly risen zombie come morning, and you send the Vig after me (which...you would pretty much have to before I infect something) all the scum needs is a watcher type and BOOM! They know our vig and execute him the following night.

So what, the very best reward to the town is...killing someone who they made into a zombie and potentially giving away the Vig? Bad play.

[petrija]

My only suggestion right now besides you would be the fems i mentioned b4 and anyone who is in the game that hasn't posted yet hasn't been replaced....Anyone that hasn't???


You mean me and BP?

[mjdgoldeneye]

MJ said Derek receiving that note, doesn't seem to fit with MJ's PM from the investigation. I'd guess he's saying Derek's lying about it?

I have no proof of that... However, the PM made a point of the fact that Derek_B was just sitting silently in his house and didn't answer the door when I rang... It just went in a bit with details that don't seem canon to a guy who's supposedly aligned with the town and receiving notes...


2) MJ is a naive investigator and his results are actually the reverse of what they should be, meaning Derek is actually Non Town Aligned.

Naive investigators get all town results. Paranoid investigators get all scum results. I have on of each, and therefore I can only be legit or insane. I highly doubt I'd be insane for reasons already listed.

Pretty hard to sit tight with a noose around your neck

Do you realize that the sentence before the one you quoted pointed out that he only had one vote on him? :rolleyes:

Guys.

Have Gold investigate me tonight.

If I come up as town to him, then Anti either got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

If I come up scum, Gold is an insane cop and Derek is scum.

Not gonna happen... Asking to be investigated automatically puts the validity of the result into question.

Vote: Derek_B

If he's scum, I'm either insane or there have been some shenanigans. I think he's scum simply from what I know, and the fact that it'll shed some light on my power is simply a plus.

[Midnightnick]

Only b/c I have doubt that your Mafia aligned give me and everyone here good enough "gut" that someone else is a better target right now?

My only suggestion right now besides you would be the fems i mentioned b4 and anyone who is in the game that hasn't posted yet hasn't been replaced....Anyone that hasn't???

Where is my list guy? Give me the info.

You know I'm the list guy.

Give me a minute Machine.

Those with less than 30.

Moe Hunter 27
cyberkitten01 26
Orange-kun 23
Actarus 20
masterded 16
aikmitt822 15
nZane 14
treton 12
lprock 8
The Rock 13 7
ShadowedFlames 7
trypio 5
Glotnot 5
iMac 2

[petrija]

Okay.
I'm heading off to work.
I look forward to pages and pages to read when I get home.
/end sarcasm.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 available, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 13 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark, Slim Jim, cyberkitten01, mistaken)

Gruntmark - 2 (The Shape, midnightnick)

Derek_b - 3 (prophet, bak42, mjdgoldeneye)

Antithesis - 4 (Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, treton)

[The Shape]

Wait so has grunt claimed indie or what?

[GruntMark]

Wait so has grunt claimed indie or what?

No.

I posted my full title yesterday.

[mistaken]

Wait so has grunt claimed indie or what?

good catch he did not just claim to be town, just that he could vote with the town. so either he is admitting something or he has already resigned to being a Zombie.

[masterded]

Around and around and around same things over and over again.

Oh to add something I guess. Night 1 nothing happened. Night 2 I couldn't find my target which I think might have to do with some kind of protection.

[Midnightnick]

Wait so has grunt claimed indie or what?

He still claims to be Lakeside Mystic Master or whatever, and not infected, and that if we lynch him and cause him to be revived as a Zombie, it'd be a waste of town resources.

Everyone knows that the Mafia would be all up on his ass now to cause that rezombification now.

If we lynch him now, and he gets Aussied, then we vig kill him easy.

If we don't, and the mafia kills him and he gets Aussied? We waste a lynch on him tomorrow.

Which is more efficient?

I ask you.

[GruntMark]

good catch he did not just claim to be town, just that he could vote with the town. so either he is admitting something or he has already resigned to being a Zombie.

Its not a good catch.

Right now I can vote with the town, because *GASP* I am town.

As usual, not even I know for sure what happens once you kill me.

Frankly, Im sick of saying that.

[iMac]

First off sorry for my total lack of chat recently. I was in London this weekend for the Saints/Chargers game at Wembley and have only got home a few hours ago. Give me like 10 mins or so and then I will vote on the lynch.

[Midnightnick]

First off sorry for my total lack of chat recently. I was in London this weekend for the Saints/Chargers game at Wembley and have only got home a few hours ago. Give me like 10 mins or so and then I will vote on the lynch.

Would you mind addressing the town to the fact that you do not possess a gun to prove me and my results right?

[GruntMark]

Everyone knows that the Mafia would be all up on his ass now to cause that rezombification now.



You only know it if you are telling them to.

After all, evidence to the contrary, I survived last night unmolested.

[Midnightnick]

You only know it if you are telling them to.

After all, evidence to the contrary, I survived last night unmolested.

I'm not a Don or Hitman, the fact that you busdrove me and that Arrows targeted no one, meaning my target remained the same and I came up town, kind of proves that Grunt.

Also, TBP has YET to tell us if they targeted someone.

[The Shape]

Its not a good catch.

Right now I can vote with the town, because *GASP* I am town.

As usual, not even I know for sure what happens once you kill me.

Frankly, Im sick of saying that.

Really odd way of saying it.

Would you mind addressing the town to the fact that you do not possess a gun to prove me and my results right?

Not doing yourself any favours. However I still don't see the logic behind voting for the guy who came up town ahead of the guy who came up non town.

So Change Vote: Arrows

[machinesxe]

I'm gonna have to say MNN might not be the best chioce/

[Antithesis]

Did TBP ever say if they targeted someone last night?

If they did and were able to get their target.

There goes the logic of OH THE OTHER PERSON HAS NO TARGET, SO THE BUSDRIVING MAKES THE OTHER NOT WORK.

I was busdriven and unable to target Bear.

Though, in this game, for all I know, that might be decided by RNG.

It wouldn't shock me.

[Midnightnick]

I'm gonna have to say MNN might not be the best chioce/

That's what I've been trying to say.

I'm proven Town by someone who seems like they wouldn't get answers wrong.

[Midnightnick]

I was busdriven and unable to target Bear.

Though, in this game, for all I know, that might be decided by RNG.

It wouldn't shock me.

/nod

All I know is I got my results. So. I can't explain that. I'm sure it'll all be laid out for us come game end with explaination by Astil.

[GruntMark]

I was busdriven and unable to target Bear.

Though, in this game, for all I know, that might be decided by RNG.

It wouldn't shock me.

I would be. Seeing as how that would directly conflict with my pm. It works in "wills" not "cans" "coulds" and "mays"

[iMac]

Would you mind addressing the town to the fact that you do not possess a gun to prove me and my results right?

Wow. I've been popular with you lately haven't I?

I can confirm that I have no gun, knife or candlestick with Mr. Plum in the library (that made me laugh when I read it). Also, I'm defo not scum or a serial killer. I dunno if that proves MNN innocent, but I am for sure.

Oh yeah...

Vote: Arrows

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 available, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 13 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark, Slim Jim, cyberkitten01, mistaken)

Gruntmark - 1 (midnightnick)

Derek_b - 3 (prophet, bak42, mjdgoldeneye)

Antithesis - 4 (Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, treton)

Arrows - 2 (The Shape, iMac)

[Antithesis]

I would be. Seeing as how that would directly conflict with my pm. It works in "wills" not "cans" "coulds" and "mays"

I'd find your story more believable if you didn't interfere with townies trying to prove their roles to others.

But thats neither here nor there. That said, all I can do is continue to tell the truth. Apparently you bus drove me, and as far as that goies, I could not find my target for that night which would seem to contradict MNN's story from night 1.

That said I wouldn't discount screwiness or even mod error at this point.

Though maybe I'd believe more strongly that MNN was scum if Comrade gave a fuller explanation to his roleblocking.

TBH, a young female roleblocker is suspicious, for the same reason my female character that roleblocks is suspicious... people think that sounds a lot like a prostitute... which is a scummy role.

Then again maybe Comrade already explained himself and his claim. I have been kind of busy defending myself up until last night when i gave up.

[GruntMark]

I'd find your story more believable if you didn't interfere with townies trying to prove their roles to others.

But thats neither here nor there. That said, all I can do is continue to tell the truth. Apparently you bus drove me, and as far as that goies, I could not find my target for that night which would seem to contradict MNN's story from night 1.

That said I wouldn't discount screwiness or even mod error at this point.

Though maybe I'd believe more strongly that MNN was scum if Comrade gave a fuller explanation to his roleblocking.

TBH, a young female roleblocker is suspicious, for the same reason my female character that roleblocks is suspicious... people think that sounds a lot like a prostitute... which is a scummy role.

Then again maybe Comrade already explained himself and his claim. I have been kind of busy defending myself up until last night when i gave up.

Im finding you being rough on me for missing your convo with Bear slightly hypocritical, seeing as how I know you havent read every post in this 3000+ monster either, and were called out for it.

But...outside of that, you seem like an alright guy, so I'll say one last time, Im sorry I missed it. It got lost in the shuffle. If I had seen it, I woulda switched Comradebot instead of you...I just figured he was more valuable to the town out doing his thing.

Can we please be cool bro? Its been like 3 days.

[Prophet]

There's a lot about Comrade that still doesn't seem right to me. I don't think I've seen a claim, and he's even gone so far as to dismiss the notion he's a teeny-bopper when the list was going around ... so why the BFF text from Lost, or a zombie or whatever he said?

Something seems wrong there too.

[Antithesis]

group hug

[Midnightnick]

There's a lot about Comrade that still doesn't seem right to me. I don't think I've seen a claim, and he's even gone so far as to dismiss the notion he's a teeny-bopper when the list was going around ... so why the BFF text from Lost, or a zombie or whatever he said?

Something seems wrong there too.

The only proof he has for himself if that he blocked nZane night one, and nZane talked to him.

He said I did not talk to him. Therefore my thinking his roleblocking doesn't work on everyone.

And the fact that I got my results for Pet not having a gun also gives credence to the idea that his roleblocking isn't always happening.

[Glotnot]

He still claims to be Lakeside Mystic Master or whatever, and not infected, and that if we lynch him and cause him to be revived as a Zombie, it'd be a waste of town resources.

Wait, so has he also claimed to be a manipulator then?

[GruntMark]

The only proof he has for himself if that he blocked nZane night one, and nZane talked to him.

He said I did not talk to him. Therefore my thinking his roleblocking doesn't work on everyone.

And the fact that I got my results for Pet not having a gun also gives credence to the idea that his roleblocking isn't always happening.

Haha...

You are a fruity gun shop owner!

How progressive!

[Midnightnick]

Haha...

You are a fruity gun shop owner!

How progressive!

It'd keep the spirit of me being Princess Midnight alive, that's for damn sure.

Females and Gay Characters my way.

[Prophet]

Haha...

You are a fruity gun shop owner!

How progressive!

Wait ... he sells fruit too?

(Where's my exploding head guy image? :p)

[Midnightnick]

Wait, so has he also claimed to be a manipulator then?

He's a bus driver, who also changes who the targets target too he says.

[Arrows]

I know I'm not lying and all my assumptions HAVE to be based on Arrows not lying.

Have Gold investigate me or Arrows then.

Just like what I said about me, if Gold investigates Arrows and Arrows shows as scum, that means Anti got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

That would also make Arrows be either miller or scum.

If Arrows shows as town, that means Gold is insane and that makes Derek scum.

It still makes Arrows scum or Miller, and I'm leaning toward Miller.

Bout time someone starts to trust me a little.

Don't play naive, that's one of the reason's I'm leaning toward lynching you.

I'll freely admit the waters are very murky around the situation involving you/Arrows/Archer/Gruntmark etc. However, there have been plenty of games where the mafia has had a framer that could change their members alignments; and you know this.

There have been games, where members other than the Don has come up Town Aligned as well.

Furthermore.....

We have no concrete proof that the two kills night 1 were for sure Mafia, could have been an SK and a Vig for all we know (and I'm not saying I believe that, just showing one of many possibilities).

What I do know is that even throwing out what we only "assume" with Gruntmarks switching (that you shouldn't have targeted anyone).

There are still other problems. 1) the scummy bodyguard should have been targeting you, not arrows; it's similar to the scummy bodyguard protecting Taker in DOTT that we all should have acted on right away instead of letting him hang around 2) Comrade has been confirmed to be a roleblocker, but you claim you were able to get your results last night. That's not sitting right with me. Add that the kills last night were not accounted for on a night you were targeted by a role blocker? And, well, things look even worse.

Are you the Don? Can't say. Could you be a hitman? Yes. Could you not be "actual scum" but be scum like? Yep.

Alright. Alright. Let me say ONE THING, right now.

There's been plenty of games mafia's have had framers that make scum look town.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

Psst.

So, um?

They magically knew to target ME, on night one, out of FOURTY PEOPLE, knowing that ME AND MNN, would be the two to get bus driven by a bus driver nobody knew was in the game? They MAGICALLY knew that?

Bull.

[Glotnot]

He's a bus driver, who also changes who the targets target too he says.

I guess the role got changed then.

Just remember that when I originally had the Master of Mystics role on the 2k site I could bus drive and manipulate votes.

Kind of suspicious in my opinion. You know. First off that he had a character from a previous game, though that would make sense since I lived, but that he would have only the more prominent of the two abilities I had in that game, which could indicate a fake claim.

But yeah, could just be that Astil changed the role, like I said.

[Midnightnick]

Bout time someone starts to trust me a little.



Alright. Alright. Let me say ONE THING, right now.

There's been plenty of games mafia's have had framers that make scum look town.

YOU ARE RIGHT.

Psst.

So, um?

They magically knew to target ME, on night one, out of FOURTY PEOPLE, knowing that ME AND MNN, would be the two to get bus driven by a bus driver nobody knew was in the game? They MAGICALLY knew that?

Bull.

Amen, if a framer was trying to make me look town if I was Mafia, they would've targeted Arrows due to the bus driving.

I turned up town.

If I was scum, how would they KNOW to go to Arrows to GET to me because we were bus driven?

It's a long long LONG shot for me to be framed to be town.

Know why I came up town?

I AM TOWN.

[Arrows]

Did Arrows have the lead post count at the end of last day phase?

Yup.

And did He say what He got for it?

Nope.

Weird.

I'd like to ask if anyone targeted Him, but that could be risking outing ANOTHER townie.
And I know I haven't played a lot, but don't we already have more than the average amount of players outed already, for this early in the game?

Someone targeted me. As I said, I wound up OUTSIDE someone's house, doing nothing. Or..it could've been a dream. I swear, my PM actually tells me it might have been a dream, that's why I asked about someone dealing with dreams earlier in the phase. I want to know WHO targeted me.

Around and around and around same things over and over again.

Oh to add something I guess. Night 1 nothing happened. Night 2 I couldn't find my target which I think might have to do with some kind of protection.

I bet I know who you targeted.

Wow. I've been popular with you lately haven't I?

I can confirm that I have no gun, knife or candlestick with Mr. Plum in the library (that made me laugh when I read it). Also, I'm defo not scum or a serial killer. I dunno if that proves MNN innocent, but I am for sure.

Oh yeah...

Vote: Arrows

Any particular reason you're voting for me, or just because that's the last vote you saw?

[Arrows]

I guess the role got changed then.

Just remember that when I originally had the Master of Mystics role on the 2k site I could bus drive and manipulate votes.

Kind of suspicious in my opinion. You know. First off that he had a character from a previous game, though that would make sense since I lived, but that he would have only the more prominent of the two abilities I had in that game, which could indicate a fake claim.

But yeah, could just be that Astil changed the role, like I said.

GREAT! YOU! GLOT!

When you bus drove people, did those people's targets get switched too?

[Arrows]

I'd find your story more believable if you didn't interfere with townies trying to prove their roles to others.

But thats neither here nor there. That said, all I can do is continue to tell the truth. Apparently you bus drove me, and as far as that goies, I could not find my target for that night which would seem to contradict MNN's story from night 1.

That said I wouldn't discount screwiness or even mod error at this point.

Though maybe I'd believe more strongly that MNN was scum if Comrade gave a fuller explanation to his roleblocking.

TBH, a young female roleblocker is suspicious, for the same reason my female character that roleblocks is suspicious... people think that sounds a lot like a prostitute... which is a scummy role.

Then again maybe Comrade already explained himself and his claim. I have been kind of busy defending myself up until last night when i gave up.

So uh, nZane just...has..problems in that department, and that's why he talked all night?:D

[Arrows]

Alright. Gotta run somewhere, then I shall return.

[iMac]

Yup.

Any particular reason you're voting for me, or just because that's the last vote you saw?

No particular reason, it's just after glancing over about 150 odd pages in less then 20 mins I think there is something going on with you. What it is, I don't know.

Like I said though, I just got back into the game, so by no means is that final. Who knows I might change it, I might not.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 available, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 13 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark, Slim Jim, cyberkitten01, mistaken)

Gruntmark - 1 (midnightnick)

Derek_b - 3 (prophet, bak42, mjdgoldeneye)

Antithesis - 4 (Moe Hunter, nZane, blackphoenix, treton)

Arrows - 2 (The Shape, iMac)

Okay, I'm leaving work now. I'll be back in a couple of hours.

[Astil]

Also I'm at work, so I can't update. Looka like you're on your own til 10.

[Orange-kun]

Naive investigators get all town results. Paranoid investigators get all scum results. I have on of each, and therefore I can only be legit or insane. I highly doubt I'd be insane for reasons already listed.

All righty then.


Vote: Derek_B
If he's scum, I'm either insane or there have been some shenanigans. I think he's scum simply from what I know, and the fact that it'll shed some light on my power is simply a plus.

Huh? Perhaps this is some cunning plan my newb brain can't comprehend, but wouldn't it be better to risk the guy that you think is scum than not?

Around and around and around same things over and over again.

Oh to add something I guess. Night 1 nothing happened. Night 2 I couldn't find my target which I think might have to do with some kind of protection.

Care to elaborate?

Also, TBP has YET to tell us if they targeted someone.

Didn't TBP say awhile back she had computer issues and couldn't use her night ability?

[Midnightnick]

All righty then.



Huh? Perhaps this is some cunning plan my newb brain can't comprehend, but wouldn't it be better to risk the guy that you think is scum than not?



Care to elaborate?



Didn't TBP say awhile back she had computer issues and couldn't use her night ability?

I thought that was BP that said that, not TBP.

Why must they have similar names.

[Orange-kun]

I thought that was BP that said that, not TBP.

Why must they have similar names.

Lol yeah, I thought of that after I hit the send button. XD

Also. I voted for Anti earlier this Day Phase to test out MJD, but it wasn't going anywhere so I dropped it. Apparently I missed the train since he had a peak but went down to four~ votes.

I might shift a vote to Nick later just to get the game moving along, but now:

Vote: Anti

[Prophet]

Yeah, TBP is Phenom, BP is Phoenix. Phoenix missed an opportunity, because she was at work, to the best of my knowledge, Phenom hasn't said what was happening last night phase.

[Orange-kun]

Vote: Anti

Vote: Antithesis

Hurr, durr.

[Orange-kun]

Imma shower and study now, but I'll try to pop in and out just to keep up. :x

[Midnightnick]

Lol yeah, I thought of that after I hit the send button. XD

Also. I voted for Anti earlier this Day Phase to test out MJD, but it wasn't going anywhere so I dropped it. Apparently I missed the train since he had a peak but went down to four~ votes.

I might shift a vote to Nick later just to get the game moving along, but now:

Vote: Anti

Moving a vote to me would just get a proven by investigation results townie lynched.

[The Archer]

Moving a vote to me would just get a proven by investigation results townie lynched.

not going to beat a dead horse here, but why is it that everyone is so easy to dismiss the secondary part of the role?

here for a little bit before the shift actually starts.

[Midnightnick]

not going to beat a dead horse here, but why is it that everyone is so easy to dismiss the secondary part of the role?

here for a little bit before the shift actually starts.

As I said, I can't explain why you wouldn't be able to get more details about me Archer.

[Tha Black Phenom]

GREAT! YOU! GLOT!

When you bus drove people, did those people's targets get switched too?

Yeah.. I guess I wanna know the answer to that as well.

But for the record, yes I targeted someone.

[The Archer]

just a question, arrows and midnigth were switched. confirmed by me aik and grunt.

wouldnt a kill go thru. the contention isnt that midnight was the killer, he wsa possibly ordering the hit. by his own admission(which is disputed by more than me) he still recieved his results which i find that hard to believe. that being the case, if arrows doesnt have a night abiltiy and midnight still accomplished what he intended, wouldnt the same be true is he ordered the hit?

i know what i am trying to ask. but not sure if i am being clear.

[Midnightnick]

just a question, arrows and midnigth were switched. confirmed by me aik and grunt.

wouldnt a kill go thru. the contention isnt that midnight was the killer, he wsa possibly ordering the hit. by his own admission(which is disputed by more than me) he still recieved his results which i find that hard to believe. that being the case, if arrows doesnt have a night abiltiy and midnight still accomplished what he intended, wouldnt the same be true is he ordered the hit?

i know what i am trying to ask. but not sure if i am being clear.

It's clear what you're saying.

You're asking if it's possible I ordered a hit and it went through because Arrows didn't have a target.

Is that what happened? No. I'm a gunsmith, not any form of scum.

Is it possible? It depends on how the mod handles dons being bus driven.

[The Archer]

Really odd way of saying it.



Not doing yourself any favours. However I still don't see the logic behind voting for the guy who came up town ahead of the guy who came up non town.

So Change Vote: Arrows

i could get vote this way also.

[The Archer]

i could get vote this way also.

i could vote this way also.

[Crychon]

Ok, a couple of things.

Guys.

Have Gold investigate me tonight.

If I come up as town to him, then Anti either got framed or is scum or Gold is lying.

If I come up scum, Gold is an insane cop and Derek is scum.

That'd be great, if there weren't framers about, and/or people who you could use to save your own hide...

Not to be a consumer of resources, have a watcher on me as well then.

I tell you Rev, you lynch me, you're lynching town.

Archer found me as town.

I can't possibly be a don as I was not responsible for either of the two kills or Lost's kidnapping.

How can one show up as town when investigated if not a don?

...

They're town. Ding ding ding.

Meet Hans Gruber, and djthefunkchris' character from Star Wars... Both non-Dons, both came up town when investigated, not unheard of.

I fail to see the logic in lynching me anyway. Right now:

1. I can vote with the town.

2. I can help during the night phase.

Plus, yall know who I am. If I die a scum related murder like death at night, yall know who I am and can easily deal with it then.

And finally, if ya hang me now and I turn out to be a newly risen zombie come morning, and you send the Vig after me (which...you would pretty much have to before I infect something) all the scum needs is a watcher type and BOOM! They know our vig and execute him the following night.

So what, the very best reward to the town is...killing someone who they made into a zombie and potentially giving away the Vig? Bad play.

Regarding 2... You can also REALLY screw things up as well. I've never been a fan of bus drivers, and I've made that very apparent to a lot of people in the past. Yeah, they can be used for good, but they can also screw the entire town over by choosing the wrong targets.

I'm keeping my vote where it is for now, but I'm flexible, and willing to move it.

[The Archer]

It's clear what you're saying.

You're asking if it's possible I ordered a hit and it went through because Arrows didn't have a target.

Is that what happened? No. I'm a gunsmith, not any form of scum.

Is it possible? It depends on how the mod handles dons being bus driven.

why would a don be treated any different then say a gunsmith?:D

[The Archer]

gone until the am.

[Midnightnick]

why would a don be treated any different then say a gunsmith?:D

You're sly Archer. Twisting the truth there. :rolleyes:

Trust me. If you decide to lynch me, you won't be seeing scum hanging from the gallows.

[The Archer]

You're sly Archer. Twisting the truth there. :rolleyes:

Trust me. If you decide to lynch me, you won't be seeing scum hanging from the gallows.

trust you? ill pass. i trust my gut and my results more.

[Midnightnick]

trust you? ill pass. i trust my gut and my results more.

And your results showed me as town.

Occam's razor baby.

[Prophet]

I'm not certain MNN is innocent. And with the runaround that has happened this past day, it's almost certain nothing is going to be solved until someone walks the plank. There's so many options, and a lot of things nagging at me, but one in particular keeps rearing it's head.

If Grunt is the mystic he says he is, why was he so determined to be targetted on the first night. Why did he say if he died, it'd be okay, because more important townies would live, when most of us townies have no night ability, and he does? Why did the Aussie visit him the first night?

I still want to shine a light on Comrade, because something there seems fishy, but if I'm going to go to help drag someone to the gallows, I'm thinking I'm gonna go with ...

Change Vote: GruntMark

[Arrows]

just a question, arrows and midnigth were switched. confirmed by me aik and grunt.

wouldnt a kill go thru. the contention isnt that midnight was the killer, he wsa possibly ordering the hit. by his own admission(which is disputed by more than me) he still recieved his results which i find that hard to believe. that being the case, if arrows doesnt have a night abiltiy and midnight still accomplished what he intended, wouldnt the same be true is he ordered the hit?

i know what i am trying to ask. but not sure if i am being clear.

General rule of thumb is, he'd get MY target..none.

[GruntMark]

General rule of thumb is, he'd get MY target..none.

Or you both have a night target.

And you both picked Imac.

Which just seems...really

really

really

unlikely.

[Arrows]

Or you both have a night target.

And you both picked Imac.

Which just seems...really

really

really

unlikely.

I'd know he was lying, why wouldn't I out him?

[Slim Jim]

We have no concrete proof that the two kills night 1 were for sure Mafia, could have been an SK and a Vig for all we know (and I'm not saying I believe that, just showing one of many possibilities).


Reading the second death on night one again, it sounds like it COULD be a PGO kill. He claps to get the guy's attention, not something a killer would really do, is it? Be easier to just kill the guy. So he comes up to him, claps to get his attention before doing something else but before he can, the PGO turns around and kills him. Just a thought.


Trust me. If you decide to lynch me, you won't be seeing scum hanging from the gallows.

I can believe that. You could be one of those slippery folk that can avoid a lynch :p

Eh... as Midnight keeps banging on, Occam's Razor does suggest he isn't the right target for today. Maybe tomorrow though, depends who finds out what in the next night phase, I guess.

Anywho, as I said earlier we have a fail-safe to fall back on for today.

Change Vote: GruntMark

Pretty likely he was infected.

[blackphoenix]

you know what...

Change Vote: Gruntmark

and you guys type to much. off to study.

[Antithesis]

I'd like to propose something. Usually I am quite hesitant to speak about people's alignments definitively, because I got a pretty good record for scum hunting going and I never wanted to screw that up before...


BUT

It is entirely possible that Archer is misreading his clues, and that there is something as of yet unexplained going on with MNN/Arrows/Grunt/Comrade.

I am not saying that is the case, I am saying it is possible... for this reason.

When did we learn the game was going "dark" so to speak... at the end of night 1.

Scum are loathe to put themselves out front on mislynches. It can happen, but not often. And while I think the game being dark makes it more of a possibility, thats something a scum group would have to confer about, debate, and set up over time...

It just doesn't strike me as being reasonable that we have an either/or situation with MNN or Arrows, or their accusers.

Its a dark barebones game, and its entirely possible that everyone making an accusation is town aligned.


Which would mean, if this is the case.... listen closely now..

grunt, Comrade, Archer.. if you guys are town, and MNN and Arrows wind up being what they claim, then the scum are the ones who are voting on this but not pushing it, i.e. they have the perfect case townies pushing to mislynch townies...


If this is what actually occurs, this game is over. Because the more Grunt/Comrade/Archer say they are "certain" MNN and Arrows are scum, the harder the rebound will be on them if they are wrong.

Peeps like MJ and Derek know what I am talking about, its probably why they aren't voting on me, despite me even asking them to.

If they start claiming absolute certainty and wind up being wrong, they appear far more suspicious. And no, I dunno if MJ or Derek are scum, but I know they've both played enough to know what the fallout will be if they push to lycnh me and the town sees I was town aligned.

Scum (and smart townies) want to avoid that, if possible.

Now, I am not saying X Y or Z is town, I don't know. I am saying whether the town wins the game or not could be decided by this phase and the one following it.

To me, the safest thing to do is to lynch me, use the other investigators to double check MNN and ARrows or Grunt and Comrade or MJ/Derek for that matter, and help the town find a certified townie leader to follow.

I sincerely believe that at this point athst the town's only chance... to find a leader. Because if suspicion has clustered on townies, all the enwer players are gonna devote their efforts trying to prove X is scum, when X is town aligned, the wasted effort, the wasted arguments, the wasted game time, will insure a scum victory.

And if you are town, thats the last thing you should want.

[Derek B]

I'd like to propose something. Usually I am quite hesitant to speak about people's alignments definitively, because I got a pretty good record for scum hunting going and I never wanted to screw that up before...

BUT

It is entirely possible that Archer is misreading his clues, and that there is something as of yet unexplained going on with MNN/Arrows/Grunt/Comrade.

I am not saying that is the case, I am saying it is possible... for this reason.

When did we learn the game was going "dark" so to speak... at the end of night 1.

Scum are loathe to put themselves out front on mislynches. It can happen, but not often. And while I think the game being dark makes it more of a possibility, thats something a scum group would have to confer about, debate, and set up over time...

It just doesn't strike me as being reasonable that we have an either/or situation with MNN or Arrows, or their accusers.

Its a dark barebones game, and its entirely possible that everyone making an accusation is town aligned.


Which would mean, if this is the case.... listen closely now..

grunt, Comrade, Archer.. if you guys are town, and MNN and Arrows wind up being what they claim, then the scum are the ones who are voting on this but not pushing it, i.e. they have the perfect case townies pushing to mislynch townies...


If this is what actually occurs, this game is over. Because the more Grunt/Comrade/Archer say they are "certain" MNN and Arrows are scum, the harder the rebound will be on them if they are wrong.

Peeps like MJ and Derek know what I am talking about, its probably why they aren't voting on me, despite me even asking them to.

If they start claiming absolute certainty and wind up being wrong, they appear far more suspicious. And no, I dunno if MJ or Derek are scum, but I know they've both played enough to know what the fallout will be if they push to lycnh me and the town sees I was town aligned.

Scum (and smart townies) want to avoid that, if possible.

Now, I am not saying X Y or Z is town, I don't know. I am saying whether the town wins the game or not could be decided by this phase and the one following it.

To me, the safest thing to do is to lynch me, use the other investigators to double check MNN and ARrows or Grunt and Comrade or MJ/Derek for that matter, and help the town find a certified townie leader to follow.

I sincerely believe that at this point athst the town's only chance... to find a leader. Because if suspicion has clustered on townies, all the enwer players are gonna devote their efforts trying to prove X is scum, when X is town aligned, the wasted effort, the wasted arguments, the wasted game time, will insure a scum victory.

And if you are town, thats the last thing you should want.

Right, caught up again. I had sort of been hoping we'd have reached a concensus in one direction or another, because as Anti just said in the post above me (probably 12 above by time I finish this), I'm starting to wonder if we've actually got any scum involved in this at all.

I'm still not going to move my vote though, but at this point it's as much to do with me not knowing where else to put it as it is towards wanting to contribute in some form. I'm not going to be awake much longer as I've had a long day and need sleep.. and tomorrow, I have a different kind of long day planned that should be fun. Details about that will also not be forthcoming. :cool: <-GASP!!

So for now, I'm going to look back and see if I can find anything that will help me make more sense of things. If I can somehow crystalise some evidence into someone being scum then I'll share it with you all and await your inevitable rush of votes on me for trying. :p

[Glotnot]

^Agree with BP, tbh.

GREAT! YOU! GLOT!

When you bus drove people, did those people's targets get switched too?

I don't think so. Then again, I spent most of my time bussing around Nexus/Silencing Nexus-Shape in a type of pseudo-protection.

Let me go check...

"Once per night you may use your Mystic powers to cause chaos among the masses. You may switch two people, not only there physical selves, but what they wanted to do when they were switched."

I don't remember any exact instances where it came up. On Night 1, I targeted The Shape (who was just a Nexus at that point) and mjd, however, mjd still got to his target.

[gonvick]

Not to be a consumer of resources, have a watcher on me as well then.

I tell you Rev, you lynch me, you're lynching town.

Archer found me as town.

I can't possibly be a don as I was not responsible for either of the two kills or Lost's kidnapping.

How can one show up as town when investigated if not a don?

...

They're town. Ding ding ding.

There's a flaw in your reasoning. Bus driving the Don wouldn't prevent a kill for the simple reason that the Don doesn't actually target anyone, he sends someone else to do it. When you track a Don, he doesn't leave his house. When you watch the victim of a mafia hit, you don't get the Don's name. The Don sends a hitman to target the intended victim. And since he does so without targeting anyone, being bus driven wouldn't change anything.

But it is interesting how hard you've jumped on that since Arrows suggested it.

Vote: Midnightnick

I think this is the best way to go. Unless TBP wants to say he targeted someone last night, and will tell us who it is, it just seems too likely that he's lying.

[d_w_w]

It is now Day Phase 3. You have until 11:00 am Tuesday October 28th to reach a majority. With 36 available, it is 19 for majority

Midnightnick - 13 (The Archer, derek_b, machinesxe, Crychon, Comradebot, Imarevenant, UFC-KING, Actarus, Tha Black Phenom, GruntMark, cyberkitten01, mistaken, Gonvick)

Gruntmark - 4 (midnightnick, Prophet, Slim Jim, blackphoenix)

Derek_b - 2 (bak42, mjdgoldeneye)

Antithesis - 4 (Moe Hunter, nZane, treton, Orange-kun)

Arrows - 2 (The Shape, iMac)

Let me know if you see any mistakes.

[GruntMark]

^Agree with BP, tbh.



I don't think so. Then again, I spent most of my time bussing around Nexus/Silencing Nexus-Shape in a type of pseudo-protection.

Let me go check...

"Once per night you may use your Mystic powers to cause chaos among the masses. You may switch two people, not only there physical selves, but what they wanted to do when they were switched."

I don't remember any exact instances where it came up. On Night 1, I targeted The Shape (who was just a Nexus at that point) and mjd, however, mjd still got to his target.

Thanks for doing what I couldnt and quoting my PM!

:p

"what they wanted to do when they switched" refers to the changing of their targets. The "physical selves" is likely the more traditional bus driving role of the power...people go looking for MMN and find Arrows chillen in his loft.

[GruntMark]

Thanks for doing what I couldnt and quoting my PM!

:p

"what they wanted to do when they switched" refers to the changing of their targets. The "physical selves" is likely the more traditional bus driving role of the power...people go looking for MMN and find Arrows chillen in his loft.

MNN of course. ;)

[Arrows]

^Agree with BP, tbh.



I don't think so. Then again, I spent most of my time bussing around Nexus/Silencing Nexus-Shape in a type of pseudo-protection.

Let me go check...

"Once per night you may use your Mystic powers to cause chaos among the masses. You may switch two people, not only there physical selves, but what they wanted to do when they were switched."

I don't remember any exact instances where it came up. On Night 1, I targeted The Shape (who was just a Nexus at that point) and mjd, however, mjd still got to his target.

"What they wanted to do when they were switched"=Targets. You can't possibly switch abilities. Had to be targets. Astil must have some weird ass rule when only one has a target.

[Arrows]

Thanks for doing what I couldnt and quoting my PM!

:p

"what they wanted to do when they switched" refers to the changing of their targets. The "physical selves" is likely the more traditional bus driving role of the power...people go looking for MMN and find Arrows chillen in his loft.

Actually, the traditional rule is the one I'd been implying. Where the targets are switched, and if one does nothing, it stops the other as well.

[Arrows]

There's a flaw in your reasoning. Bus driving the Don wouldn't prevent a kill for the simple reason that the Don doesn't actually target anyone, he sends someone else to do it. When you track a Don, he doesn't leave his house. When you watch the victim of a mafia hit, you don't get the Don's name. The Don sends a hitman to target the intended victim. And since he does so without targeting anyone, being bus driven wouldn't change anything.

But it is interesting how hard you've jumped on that since Arrows suggested it.

Vote: Midnightnick

I think this is the best way to go. Unless TBP wants to say he targeted someone last night, and will tell us who it is, it just seems too likely that he's lying.

How sure are you it wouldn't switch that? It just, seems to me like it would switch who they choose, thus..who they'd tell their man to kill. If it switches targets, I'd assume that'd fit under target, despite them not going there themselves.

[GruntMark]

Actually, the traditional rule is the one I'd been implying. Where the targets are switched, and if one does nothing, it stops the other as well.

In any case...I feel strangley relieved its been posted. At least everything Ive been saying is obviously from my PoV the truth.

Including what happened with you yesterday. I thought "what they wanted to do" was about abilities. Clearly it was not and I was mistaken on that point.

[Arrows]

In any case...I feel strangley relieved its been posted. At least everything Ive been saying is obviously from my PoV the truth.

Including what happened with you yesterday. I thought "what they wanted to do" was about abilities. Clearly it was not and I was mistaken on that point.

If Astil has some weird condition where one not having a target allows the other to keep their own(Nothing to switch it with), MNN could very well be telling the truth.

This does however, leave the role-block that never happened, as a huge question.

[Arrows]

If Astil has some weird condition where one not having a target allows the other to keep their own(Nothing to switch it with), MNN could very well be telling the truth.

This does however, leave the role-block that never happened, as a huge question.

Of course, if that very condition is true, MNN could be responsible for one of the two deaths, and would explain one missing death the next night, from the roleblock.

[Midnightnick]

If Astil has some weird condition where one not having a target allows the other to keep their own(Nothing to switch it with), MNN could very well be telling the truth.

This does however, leave the role-block that never happened, as a huge question.

Comrade said I didn't talk to her.

Not talking, not being distracted, not being distracted, not being roleblocked?

[GruntMark]

Comrade said I didn't talk to her.

Not talking, not being distracted, not being distracted, not being roleblocked?

Has he been missing all day?

He best to hell be busy writing another EWA show.

[Arrows]

Of course, if that very condition is true, MNN could be responsible for one of the two deaths, and would explain one missing death the next night, from the roleblock.

And if that condition proves true, that would also prove that I haven't been out at night buying votes or killing people, whichever scum ability you guys think I've got these days.

[Slim Jim]

Why wouldn't you talk though? Plotting scummy scumminess?

[Arrows]

Comrade said I didn't talk to her.

Not talking, not being distracted, not being distracted, not being roleblocked?

Why wouldn't you talk to her?

[Arrows]

Why wouldn't you talk though? Plotting scummy scumminess?

I MAY have an explanation, though...I...wait.

Let me see what MNN says, and if you want, I'll tell you what just crossed my mind after.

[bak42]

Also I know your mafia type are going to argue that it's the only way for the town to get information but it's not. I mean I have a good feeling I know who the Maf is at this point but that's just what I think. I won't go into how b/c well if I am wrong I wouldn't want everyone to turn on me right now and lower the number of town people we have since if you kill me in anyway you die and I die. Lose=Lose.If you think you know who the mafia are speak up, remember risk=reward.

5. bak42All I do at night is sit around on my ass.

We lynch the infected Grunt as an alternative.

If he winds up being like Aussie (which I doubt would happen). We get a vig to nightkill him. Simple.

Change Vote: GruntmarkSounds like a decent plan to me. Change Vote: Gruntmark

Wait ... he sells fruit too?

(Where's my exploding head guy image? :p)
Ask and ye shall recieve.
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/bak42/exploding-head-1.gif

[Midnightnick]

Has he been missing all day?

He best to hell be busy writing another EWA show.

He was on earlier I believe.

Why wouldn't you talk to her?

Joke Answer: I'm gay. Again.

Serious Answer: I imagine I look intensely through my files, letting nothing distract me. I believe the exact wording Comrade said was "He doesn't appear like the talkative type".

[Arrows]

Would anyone like to know what popped into my head on that one? Is a rather..interesting..one.

[Slim Jim]

I MAY have an explanation, though...I...wait.

Let me see what MNN says, and if you want, I'll tell you what just crossed my mind after.

Do share :)

[Midnightnick]

Would anyone like to know what popped into my head on that one? Is a rather..interesting..one.

Do tell.

[bak42]

Would anyone like to know what popped into my head on that one? Is a rather..interesting..one.

Sure, why not.

[GruntMark]

Would anyone like to know what popped into my head on that one? Is a rather..interesting..one.

If its better than Nicks I bet he claims it with wild enthusiasm.

[Bear]

I actually don't think Grunt is infected. It doesn't seem like it'd work that way? Who got the info that said the disease was non-infectious once passed the first time? I'm pretty sure Aussie wasn't the King. If it could be passed through carriers, this game would get stacked against us so fast it'd be unfair.

[Arrows]

Do share :)

Gunsmith's have some loose association with cops. Good ones are generally walk the straight path, and all that pathetic stuff.

Why would he bother associating with a prostitute, of all people? That's, one of the lowest forms of humans, to those types. That's assuming of course, Comrade's a prostitute, which fits. That'd also make me really wonder where he stands, trying to role-block a gunsmith and all.

[GruntMark]

Gunsmith's have some loose association with cops. Good ones are generally walk the straight path, and all that pathetic stuff.

Why would he bother associating with a prostitute, of all people? That's, one of the lowest forms of humans, to those types. That's assuming of course, Comrade's a prostitute, which fits. That'd also make me really wonder where he stands, trying to role-block a gunsmith and all.

It probably did it more for the flavor text information. Like finding out nZane is some kinda scientist, than the actual roleblock.

[GruntMark]

It probably did it more for the flavor text information. Like finding out nZane is some kinda scientist, than the actual roleblock.

First It = He

Also...no edit sometimes sucks when its the little stuff.

[Arrows]

First It = He

Also...no edit sometimes sucks when its the little stuff.

Hadn't MNN already claimed? What flavor text was he looking for exactly?

[Orange-kun]

Anti, you have a point about town unity. However it seems town is swaying towards the Nick lynch. So we might need to go that way just so town votes. Of course, I'm sure something amazing will happen tom. that will blow away that lynch and start a new one. :P

[Arrows]

I mean, did he really expect it to see "You tramped up next to some guy with a gun and flashed your teenage titties, and they caused him to lose his focus on killing some random poor bastard."?..Really?

[Prophet]

I mean, did he really expect it to see "You tramped up next to some guy with a gun and flashed your teenage titties, and they caused him to lose his focus on killing some random poor bastard."?..Really?

Man, if I had a dollar for everytime I heard that ...

[GruntMark]

I mean, did he really expect it to see "You tramped up next to some guy with a gun and flashed your teenage titties, and they caused him to lose his focus on killing some random poor bastard."?..Really?

Last guy talked about his crazy science. Maybe this one would have discussed rifles and shootin deer. Thereby confirming Nick was in all likelyhood a gunsmith and saved us most a day phase now.

Nah...that would have been a terrible plan! :rolleyes:

[Derek B]

I mean, did he really expect it to see "You tramped up next to some guy with a gun and flashed your teenage titties, and they caused him to lose his focus on killing some random poor bastard."?..Really?

LOL!

[gonvick]

How sure are you it wouldn't switch that? It just, seems to me like it would switch who they choose, thus..who they'd tell their man to kill. If it switches targets, I'd assume that'd fit under target, despite them not going there themselves.

I'm not claiming to be the foremost expert on game mechanics or anything, but I don't see why the Don being switched would affect the night kill. The Don doesn't target the victim for the purposes of other roles, so I wouldn't expect the Bus Driver to be a special case in that regard.

If the hitman was bus driven, he wouldn't still go to his intended target just because the Don was left alone.

If Astil has some weird condition where one not having a target allows the other to keep their own(Nothing to switch it with), MNN could very well be telling the truth.

That's what I ended up thinking in the previous game, though I never found out for sure if that was the case or if the role PM just didn't match up with how it ended up working.

But this time Grunt says he asked for and recieved clarification that the targets switch, so I'm more inclined to think it would work in a more typical fashion.

[Arrows]

Last guy talked about his crazy science. Maybe this one would have discussed rifles and shootin deer. Thereby confirming Nick was in all likelyhood a gunsmith and saved us most a day phase now.

Nah...that would have been a terrible plan! :rolleyes:

Seems like there mighta been a better way to obtain that information than trying to block someone who could potentially find scum. *Shrug* I mean, I get it. It makes some sense. I'm just wondering if that's really why.

[Arrows]

I'm not claiming to be the foremost expert on game mechanics or anything, but I don't see why the Don being switched would affect the night kill. The Don doesn't target the victim for the purposes of other roles, so I wouldn't expect the Bus Driver to be a special case in that regard.

If the hitman was bus driven, he wouldn't still go to his intended target just because the Don was left alone.

Gonvick: 1
Arrows: 0

Good point.

[Midnightnick]

Gunsmith's have some loose association with cops. Good ones are generally walk the straight path, and all that pathetic stuff.

Why would he bother associating with a prostitute, of all people? That's, one of the lowest forms of humans, to those types. That's assuming of course, Comrade's a prostitute, which fits. That'd also make me really wonder where he stands, trying to role-block a gunsmith and all.

Well yeah, it makes sense.

If its better than Nicks I bet he claims it with wild enthusiasm.

Arrows makes sense, and I wouldn't be surprised if that was the case of why I got roleblocked, but I'm intensely focused on my work. Point is, Comrade said I wasn't the talkative type which would mean I didn't talk, which would mean I wasn't roleblocked. And if I was a don or hitman, there would've been at least 1 kill last night.

Hadn't MNN already claimed? What flavor text was he looking for exactly?

I claimed start of Day 2.

[gonvick]

I actually don't think Grunt is infected. It doesn't seem like it'd work that way? Who got the info that said the disease was non-infectious once passed the first time? I'm pretty sure Aussie wasn't the King. If it could be passed through carriers, this game would get stacked against us so fast it'd be unfair.

Didn't the poem derek recieved basically say there was a new king? Or at least imply as such? If I'm remembering that correctly, then Aussie might have been the old king.

Though it could also be a refence to the one that died in the previous game, so there's a new one at the start of this one.

So it comes down to whether Aussie was Undead at the start of the game or not. If he wasn't, then he probably couldn't infect Grunt. If he was, then Grunt could have been infected, but wouldn't be able to infect others.

So either way, I don't think Grunt is a high priority right now.

[gonvick]

And if I was a don or hitman, there would've been at least 1 kill last night.

Could you explain this more clearly?

[Orange-kun]

@ zombie discussion:

Would zombies even be able to talk? I don't remember Aussie talking, but he may have choose not to. I did see him floating.

[Arrows]

@ zombie discussion:

Would zombies even be able to talk? I don't remember Aussie talking, but he may have choose not to. I did see him floating.

Once they're dead and BECOME zombies, I don't believe they can talk.