Royal Rumble Spoilers(don't open unless you wanna see results.)

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Spoiler's ahead so exit now unless you wanna see results.. I will be updating this thread so share your concerns and what you think about these results..

















Jack Swagger def. Matt Hardy to retain the ECW Title.

Melina def. Beth Phoenix to win the Women's Title.

[Eisen-verse]

Jack Swagger def. Matt Hardy to retain the ECW Title.

Looks like the WWE is really going to push Swagger. Could be cool. A new face that will spend 6 months on ECW only to move up to Raw sooner or later I'm sure.

[supershot]

Idk what you guys think, but I agree with WWE pushing Jack Swagger. I think hes got good charisma and other decent skills.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

JBL vs. Cena for the World Heavyweight Title

Shawn Michaels gave Sweet Chin Music to JBL, then to Cena, then he pulled JBL over Cena. A new ref came down. 1...2... Cena kicked out. He got JBL up for the FU and nailed it for the win.

Winner and still champion: John Cena.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Now it's Edge vs. Jeff Hardy..

Vickie came out and said that it is now a No-DQ match.. and when Edge came out with him came out another familiar face....

Chavo Guerrero! Whoo.. but with the No-DQ rules I figure Christian is sure to make his return.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Matt Hardy nailed Jeff with a Chair giving Edge the victory to become the NEW WWE Heavyweight Champion.

No Christian.. sadly.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Matt Hardy nailed Jeff with a Chair giving Edge the victory to become the NEW WWE Heavyweight Champion.

No Christian.. sadly.

I have to think that this or christian was plan a or plan b, depending on wether they get Christian signed...

If that makes sense... was hoping to see Christian... Just dont know if Matt can get over that hump into the main event. Cool to see brother vs brother at Wrestlemania though...

[Eisen-verse]

I have to think that this or christian was plan a or plan b, depending on wether they get Christian signed...

If that makes sense... was hoping to see Christian... Just dont know if Matt can get over that hump into the main event. Cool to see brother vs brother at Wrestlemania though...

I'd rather see the Hardys go at it so this is a cool ending I think. Could be a great feud between the two.

[Johnny Fenoli]

MVP with the face pop and then a chant... guess that piece of booking worked huh? Hope this guys gets a shot to shine.

[Astil]

Sooooo, HHH to win?

[Astil]

Sooooo, HHH to win?

Nope, LOL, Randy Orton!

[Self]

I HEAR VOICES IN MY HEAD!!!!!

Love that song.

Cool show, although my interest in the Rumble match dropped considerably as soon as Morrison was eliminated. I was marking out for his every move, desperately wanting him to cling on... and then he didn't.

Fun watch.

[Prophet]

In Morrison's defense, he was hit by a Mizsle. (Get it? `cause it was the Miz ... ahh, nevermind. :p)

I thought it was a good show. I will admit, I got giddy when "One of a Kind" hit. And watching the sheer number of people in the ring hanging on was great.

[Johnny Fenoli]

In Morrison's defense, he was hit by a Mizsle. (Get it? `cause it was the Miz ... ahh, nevermind. :p)

I thought it was a good show. I will admit, I got giddy when "One of a Kind" hit. And watching the sheer number of people in the ring hanging on was great.

Is this a one shot deal for RVD? They had a little "titan tron" thing of his initials, makes you think it might not be... He's definetly popular as ever it seems!

I'm glad Orton won, love how Legacy was used to get him the win.



Any Wrestlemania match predections?

[Prophet]

Is this a one shot deal for RVD? They had a little "titan tron" thing of his initials, makes you think it might not be... He's definetly popular as ever it seems!

I'm glad Orton won, love how Legacy was used to get him the win.



Any Wrestlemania match predections?

I believe so. It was his old video, but I think the tights were new. I don't recall the burning yin-yang tights before. The exchange between him and Punk had me salivating at the idea of a true one on one match up, though.

Orton wasn't my first pick, although with Dibiase coming out so close his draw, it seemed the most likely. I tend to root for people who won't make the main event at Mania anyway. lol The dichotomy of the team together, though, was pretty cool.

[Tweek It]

RVD is a one-time thing, I think. RVD is suppose to come to the federation that I am bout to start training at in March.

[Franchise22]

Sooooo, HHH to win?

back to back runner up finishes for the game!!

santino got a chant during beths match and got a large pop during rumble.

i thought the rumble itself was great, but wasnt thrilled about any of the matches before it. ending of hardy match was a nice twist, but all of the matches were meh to me. jeff nearly botched the ladder spot horribly.

overall the rumble made up for it and brought up my score for the ppv, ill give it 3 out of 5.

[NickC13573]

now, i dont know how valid this might be, but what do you think of this. Edge/M. Hardy vs. Christian/J. Hardy brotherly love match at WM25

[Tyler Gadzinski]

That would be a sweet match the Edge/M.Hardy vs. Christian/J. Hardy.. It'd be great for Christian to come back and everyone thinking he attacked Jeff but he ended up not doing it. Then he becomes the voice of reason behind everything.

Christian does a good Face character.. he also does a great Heel character. But, I think a good Face run in the E for Christian would be good.

Or just have Christian be named as another person under Edge doing the attacks.

[cappyboy]

now, i dont know how valid this might be, but what do you think of this. Edge/M. Hardy vs. Christian/J. Hardy brotherly love match at WM25

Now that would be a pretty cool twist of the feud in the family thing. I could definitely support that idea.

[Stennick]

I don't see Edge not defending the WWE title at the biggest show of the year.

[The Franchise]

I happened to go to Matt Hardy's MySpace page and some of the comments there are really kinda funny. If you miss the days of kayfabe, they'll do your heart some good.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

Also, I've read numerous reports that RVD will be having a run with the company for awhile.

[Stennick]

Also, I've read numerous reports that RVD will be having a run with the company for awhile.

I'm not sure where you read those reports at since I haven't even seen Rob's name mentioned in the dirt sheets once leading up to this. As far as I know he's got a few indy bookings coming up so if he is making a run with the company it would almost have to be strictly a handshake deal.

Not saying he won't I just don't see it happening.

[Comradebot]

Bah, Blandy? Seriously?

I'll never understand what the WWE truly sees in him. Okay, he's a solid in-ring worker. Doesn't change the fact he looks like a random guy off the street, and is completely lacking in anything resembling charisma. Admittingly, he has improved... but not to the point that I'm happy with the thought of him being the focal point of WWE shows.

But hey, I'm the guy who marks for Vladimir Kozlov... so what do I know, right?

[Candyman]

now, i dont know how valid this might be, but what do you think of this. Edge/M. Hardy vs. Christian/J. Hardy brotherly love match at WM25

Maybe at No Way Out...Edge has that little thing called the WWE Championship to defend at Wrestlemania. WM25 is shaping up like so:

John Cena vs. Randy Orton for the World Heavyweight Championship
Edge vs. Triple H for the WWE Championship
The Undertaker vs. The Big Show
Shawn Michaels vs. JBL
Matt Hardy vs. Jeff Hardy

[GatorBait19]

See it's odd to me RVD came back because last week in my TEW diary, I announced that RVD would be making his return to the WWE at the Rumble in his home-town, now of course that was in my diary but it was just weird last night when he came in

[UkWrestleFan]

Maybe the creative team read these forums?

[wilts]

I have just finished watching the Rumble and here are a few of my thoughts.

1. I think M.Hardy/Edge vs J.Hardy/Christian is the way that the 'E is going to take this, at least initially anyway. Did anyone notice how much the announcers were pushing the fact of a 'brotherly feud' and all the other terms they used. I know that they were talking about the Hardy's, but something seemed buried in there.

2. MVP got 1 of the biggest pops of the night, yet the 'E are still pushing guys like Vlad over him, wat up wiv dat?!?!?!?!

3. JBL vs Cena was OK, did anyone notice though that 'The Throwback' wasn't said once? First time Cena went for it they said, 'He's going for the finish.' and second time (when he hit it) the only reference to the move was 'He won it with his patented finisher.' Anyone think there has been some negative feedback about the name change? As big a fan as I am of Cena, and as much as I hate JBL I was really hoping to see JBL get the win, HBK then enter and win the Rumble, the 2 go on to Mania and HKB wins. I think he deserves 1 last run with the title, and thought it would have been a decent end to the storyline, now though I have no idea where they will take this.

4. The 'E just need to let 'La Familia' (or whatever they are called) die. Why was Chavo at ring side? Purely for the one ladder spot (which was nearly botched). Where are Hawkins & Ryder lately?

5. First time I have seen Jack Swagger, and not a big fan of his. Seems to me that the 'E need to take their foot off the gas a bit and slow build some stars of the future rather than trying to rush them through. What ever happened to 'paying their dues'?

6. Melina vs Beth looked horrible. Many ****ups from where I was sat, but then it was a divas match so I wasn't expecting much.

7. Santino now has the record for shortest Rumble appearance. I can't stand the guy and his speedy elimination really made my day!

8. PPVs like I believe are proof that the 'E are spreading their product too thin. I would like to see tag title matches, IC or US title matches at the PPV to keep them all from looking like joke titles.

Finally, what are your thoughts on the best format for the Rumble? In that past it was last match of the night, then there was the WWF title match after the rumble. What do you think sits best?

[Self]

The Royal Rumble match should always be the Main Event, because that's the feature attraction that people are spending their money on. I actually bought this show. I haven't bought a WWE-PPV ever before, but I didn't have work today, so I was free to stay up until 4am to watch it, and I really wanted to see the Rumble match. Everything else interested me, in a way, but the Rumble was the only thing I was willing to spend money on.

So yeah, I totally think it should go on last.

I liked the format, with only 4 matches on the undercard. They all got the time they needed but still left plenty of space for the Rumble to not be rushed. I agree that the Tag/Midcard titles should be defended on PPV more, but not this PPV.

1. I LOVE Santino and I thought his instant elimination was AWESOME. Now he'll be in the record books forever.

2. I liked Melina/Beth. Bit sloppy, but as I've said in another thread recently, I find Women's matches a welcome change of pace. Plus any match where someone makes their opponent kick herself in the head is a win in my book.

3. JBL/Cena was fine, built around a solid angle. I don't watch RAW much, but I dug it.

4. Ege/Jeff was fine, with another solid angle around it. I'm glad they haven't totally forgotten about the La Familia thing, because I hate it when they just disregard friendships when it suits them. Chavo being out there made sense to me, although through the smoke I thought it was Christian at first. Had to abort my marking out pretty fast.

5. As for the twist, I hope Matt doesn't become just another heel. I hope he doesn't start being friends with the other heels, and enemies with all the babyfaces. I hope this is purely focussed on Jeff, and gradually the bitterness takes full control, and in, say, 4 months, he's total heel. If he's willingly teaming with Edge within a few weeks I'll find it hard to suspend my disbelief, whereas right now, having my own 'golden child' sibling, I can buy this turn. I'm looking forward to what they're gonna come up with.

[FINisher]

5. As for the twist, I hope Matt doesn't become just another heel. I hope he doesn't start being friends with the other heels, and enemies with all the babyfaces. I hope this is purely focussed on Jeff, and gradually the bitterness takes full control, and in, say, 4 months, he's total heel. If he's willingly teaming with Edge within a few weeks I'll find it hard to suspend my disbelief, whereas right now, having my own 'golden child' sibling, I can buy this turn. I'm looking forward to what they're gonna come up with.

Waiting for Self's heelturn on his sibling :D :p

[Chuck]

Bah, Blandy? Seriously?

I'll never understand what the WWE truly sees in him. Okay, he's a solid in-ring worker. Doesn't change the fact he looks like a random guy off the street, and is completely lacking in anything resembling charisma. Admittingly, he has improved... but not to the point that I'm happy with the thought of him being the focal point of WWE shows.

But hey, I'm the guy who marks for Vladimir Kozlov... so what do I know, right?

I actually believe in Randy more than any other heel in the company at the moment... he is 10x better than he was this time last year... he still needs some work but everything about his is spot on with what Vince wants in his Main Event scene... tall, white and wrestles the basics well.

[Tyler Gadzinski]

How bout for once we see Jeff turn on Matt? Matt's turned on Jeff, what, three times now?

Also, for the RVD thing the site that I read it off of is now saying it was a one time thing since he lived in Battle Creek, Michigan.

[Self]

Because I can't see the fans turning on Jeff. I just can't. Not from him attacking Matt anyway. Matt has never been anywhere near as likable or relatable as Jeff, so it's much, much easier this way around.

Plus maybe Matt wanted to reinvent himself as a heel.

[The Masked Orange]

R-V-D

I miss that dude, he's good. But he looked much better than I thought he would, considering how long he was out.

[infinitywpi]

Am I the only one thinking, Matt/Edge/Cody/Kane vs Jeff/Christian/Goldust/Undertaker at Wrestlemania?

... yeah, I probably am. But think of all the 'brother' issues wrapped up in that match...

[cappyboy]

Matt has never been anywhere near as likable or relatable as Jeff, so it's much, much easier this way around.


I can't speak for the rest of the world. This could easily just be one of those "Well, that's just YOU" points in my personality. But I find this 180 degrees bass ackwards. I just don't get Jeff. Never have. Dude always comes off as though he's over-reaching himself. Like he's trying so very hard to be the guy people think he is that he's just incapable of it. That's where I've always felt his meltdowns and life issues have come from. Stressing too hard to meet what people thought he was and cracking under the strain.

Now Matt, granted he's nowhere near as flashy as Jeff. But he's grounded. You can see all the work that goes into his matches. And whether you see him having as much to give as Jeff or not, he puts all he has into every gimmick and persona he's asked to play. I find that miles easier to embrace and relate to than anything Jeff does. Jeff's the kind of guy I wish I got but likely never will.

Ths notion of Jeff being Smackdown champion is driving me nuts. There's not championship material there. Jeff is a mirage to me. The only reason he has the belt that I can see is that people see him as somehow greater than the sum of his parts. I don't get it. I don't think I'll EVER get it.

[FINisher]

The only thing that I don't like in the Hardy brothers feud is that it will only help Matt's career while it certainly stopped all the momentum Jeff had.

Can't wait for Christian's return. ^^

[cappyboy]

The only thing that I don't like in the Hardy brothers feud is that it will only help Matt's career while it certainly stopped all the momentum Jeff had.


Now come on, man. You don't have to go selling me any more. I've got cash in hand already. :)

[CQI13]

Am I the only one thinking, Matt/Edge/Cody/Kane vs Jeff/Christian/Goldust/Undertaker at Wrestlemania?

... yeah, I probably am. But think of all the 'brother' issues wrapped up in that match...


I could see that for Survivor Series. Not WM.

[Self]

I can't speak for the rest of the world. This could easily just be one of those "Well, that's just YOU" points in my personality. But I find this 180 degrees bass ackwards. I just don't get Jeff. Never have. Dude always comes off as though he's over-reaching himself. Like he's trying so very hard to be the guy people think he is that he's just incapable of it. That's where I've always felt his meltdowns and life issues have come from. Stressing too hard to meet what people thought he was and cracking under the strain.

Now Matt, granted he's nowhere near as flashy as Jeff. But he's grounded. You can see all the work that goes into his matches. And whether you see him having as much to give as Jeff or not, he puts all he has into every gimmick and persona he's asked to play. I find that miles easier to embrace and relate to than anything Jeff does. Jeff's the kind of guy I wish I got but likely never will.

Ths notion of Jeff being Smackdown champion is driving me nuts. There's not championship material there. Jeff is a mirage to me. The only reason he has the belt that I can see is that people see him as somehow greater than the sum of his parts. I don't get it. I don't think I'll EVER get it.

Oddly enough, I personally do find Matt more relatable than Jeff, for the reason I hinted at above, with the 'golden child' sibling thing. It's much the same reason that I supported Owen over Bret. I understand and can relate to being in that situation, of being less popular, of being considered 'weaker', of being the black sheep as it were.

Matt is really good. I'd say a better all-around performer than Jeff. He has tons of passion and a lot to give. It's just that Jeff is more likable to the casual audience. Internet fans see workrate. Casual fans don't pay attention to that as much. They see the moves and the wacky dancing and the colourful hair and think "Cool beans".

Every time I've seen a Hardyz tag match, every time, Jeff has always had the louder reactions.

[FINisher]

One thing I'm happy of: Matt certainly works better as a heel! Atleast in my opinion.. And also my opinion: He's lightyears behind in superstar quality than Jeff.

Jeff > Matt, period. Always has been and always will be. Matt has always been a solid performer, yes, but he's not anywhere near World champion material. Jeff is exiting, Matt is boring. Jeff is charismatic, sexy and cool. Matt looks like a rodent of somesort. In the end I'd still prefer them as a tag team. Hardy Boyz were great in their time since they completed each other in so, so many ways. Matt always provided the solid performance and the psychology in the matches while Jeff could always .. Be Jeff I guess.

[GatorBait19]

Does anyone else think Taker and HBK should headline WM this year, I mean it's in their home state and nobody knows how much longer they will last....

I mean I like the Taker vs HBK in a regular match, or what I am going to do a Hell in the Cell (which I think would be proper since the first one got interrupted by Kane) plus they made the match famous

But as I was saying, it could be their last Mania, so why not go out as the top draw; I would buy it just to watch this one match, besides the fact that Orton is going to take the title from Cena

[cappyboy]

Matt is really good. I'd say a better all-around performer than Jeff. He has tons of passion and a lot to give. It's just that Jeff is more likable to the casual audience. Internet fans see workrate. Casual fans don't pay attention to that as much. They see the moves and the wacky dancing and the colourful hair and think "Cool beans".


With me, I don't know it's even that. Is there a component of what you're saying? Sure. But again speaking for who I know best, the tendency to mark for extra extension on a dropkick or an especially deep armdrag far predates the Internet. that goes back to Day One for me. But then I also tended to mark for Hogan back in the day. Of course you get to the Hogan vs Warrior debate and while neither was Lou Thesz in the ring, I think it's still pretty obvious Hogan was the deeper character. So maybe that's not the best comparison in the world either.

Point is that for younger fans, that Internet vs casual thing may be valid. But when you get into mid to late 30-somethings like myself you have to take in mind what ideas we may have had pre-Net.

[Prophet]

I don't think they're gonna go a tag route with it. Maybe slip one in, but I wouldn't be surprised to see a fatal 4 way. Edge vs Matt vs Jeff vs Christian. If for nothing else, to use as a platform to stablize them all as independant forces, ya know?

And Jericho vs. "The Ram" should be ... something. Not something good, but ... something. lol

[CQI13]

Should Taker/Michaels headline? Maybe. Not sold on it. But it should not be anything but a regular match. Those two on that stage don't need anything to get elevated. Leave the gimmicks & props to the lower workers that need to get over.

[Self]

With me, I don't know it's even that. Is there a component of what you're saying? Sure. But again speaking for who I know best, the tendency to mark for extra extension on a dropkick or an especially deep armdrag far predates the Internet. that goes back to Day One for me. But then I also tended to mark for Hogan back in the day. Of course you get to the Hogan vs Warrior debate and while neither was Lou Thesz in the ring, I think it's still pretty obvious Hogan was the deeper character. So maybe that's not the best comparison in the world either.

Point is that for younger fans, that Internet vs casual thing may be valid. But when you get into mid to late 30-somethings like myself you have to take in mind what ideas we may have had pre-Net.

Fair enough. The 'internet' tag was a bit off-base. 'Hardcore' fan? You know what I mean though.

[alvarez16]

I'm kind of glad Orton won though :)

[Eisen-verse]

One thing I'm happy of: Matt certainly works better as a heel! Atleast in my opinion.. And also my opinion: He's lightyears behind in superstar quality than Jeff.

Jeff > Matt, period. Always has been and always will be. Matt has always been a solid performer, yes, but he's not anywhere near World champion material. Jeff is exiting, Matt is boring. Jeff is charismatic, sexy and cool. Matt looks like a rodent of somesort. In the end I'd still prefer them as a tag team. Hardy Boyz were great in their time since they completed each other in so, so many ways. Matt always provided the solid performance and the psychology in the matches while Jeff could always .. Be Jeff I guess.

Honestly, I don't see Jeff hardy even being on the level of the World Title either. To me, the both of them will always be upper midcarders (to look at it from a TEW stand point). Sure Jeff has "charisma"... not on the mic mind you but being unique gives him that charisma. However, I just don't see Jeff Hardy as being anything more than an over-reaching Upper Midcarder.

Maybe with time & proper booking I could think of him in another way (hell, I didn't like Orton what so ever before his string of injuries however now I LOVE the guy. They are booking him much better as they are straying away from the "****y" persona and going more towards a vicious fighter), however, right now I can't honestly believe that he could beat a John Cena, Undertaker, or a Shawn Michaels.

I know everyone loves this guy so I'm sure there will be a lot of people who disagree but I guess personally I just don't see him being world title worthy. Then again, the WWE is in need of creating new superstars badly... So, if they book him right then I could see down the line him being seen as more of a threat.


Should Taker/Michaels headline? Maybe. Not sold on it. But it should not be anything but a regular match. Those two on that stage don't need anything to get elevated. Leave the gimmicks & props to the lower workers that need to get over.

I would love, love, love to see an HBK vs. Undertaker match, however I too do not want to see it as any sort of gimmick match. It would feel like a major rush job to have these two start to feud and then throw a gimmick on their match before March hits. The match itself could be really... If HBK is still working for JBL then it could be a whole situation where Undertaker sees HBK as crossing over and working with "the devil" in a sense. Seeing an ugly side to Shawn & proclaiming that his demons are what will do him in in the end. Would pose as a great match and one I'd order the PPV to see.

However, with that being said, It's going to be HBK vs. JBL at Wreslemania. You know it's going to be. That or it's going to be John Cena vs. JBL vs. Shawn Michaels... But I hope that match isn't true. It seems every year wrestlemania just becomes a slue of Triple Threat Matches. The HBK/JBL storyline is great, however, I can't see a match-up between the two of them really "bringing the house down". Orton will end up facing Cena in the main event so it pretty much pushes this all to be a one on one grudge match where maybe if Shawn wins he can regain his freedom and some monetary value as well. The thing that would be cool from a wrestling stand-point would be though if JBL actually won the match. Believe me... It would suck from the standpoint that I love Shawn and have been a fan of his character for years, however, no one would expect that... and Shawn would be stuck at JBL's side for a little while longer until there is another way for him to get out of his contract or have it run-up or something.

[Marshall]

Should Taker/Michaels headline? Maybe. Not sold on it. But it should not be anything but a regular match. Those two on that stage don't need anything to get elevated. Leave the gimmicks & props to the lower workers that need to get over.

I'd prefer to see this at WM26. Michaels is slowing his schedule and winding down his career, and I can see him retiring by that time next year. Mr. Wrestlemania's career vs Taker's undefeated WM streak sounds like gold to me.

[Tha Black Phenom]

However, with that being said, It's going to be HBK vs. JBL at Wreslemania. You know it's going to be. That or it's going to be John Cena vs. JBL vs. Shawn Michaels... But I hope that match isn't true. It seems every year wrestlemania just becomes a slue of Triple Threat Matches.

That's because generally - and it's something I quite like - WWE quite often like having the WrestleMania main-event a first-time matchup. It's an unwritten tradition and they've gotten well off with it in the past years... except 'till lately. WM23 had Cena vs. HBK which was already done(even though their match ended on a DQ), broke the tradition but it was still a huge matchup with nice relevance to it so it's not all bad.


But lately, they haven't created a lot of new stars enough to warrant another gold first-time matchup in the main-event. How long can you have original matches if the Cena/HHH/Taker/Orton/Batista/Edge/HBK crew always gets involved in the ME and intertwine with each other? They had a bright chance of making one a few months ago - CM Punk. Could've entered Mania as the champ(or even won the Rumble as a matter of fact) against a big-dogger like Triple H or Cena, that would've been perfect. Instead they did **** all with him, I would've pegged him to win the Rumble if he wasn't into this whole IC title business.

So the triple threats are sort of a copout for trying to realize the "dream never-seen-before" matchup they try to pull off. It is true that they'll need to tone down on it, they've actually had one every two years lol.

And yeah, I'm dreading at a potential 246th Cena/Orton match to headline Mania. Especially how they haven't highly interacted with each other up to now. Doesn't it leave you a bit drab?

[Blackman]

I'd prefer to see this at WM26. Michaels is slowing his schedule and winding down his career, and I can see him retiring by that time next year. Mr. Wrestlemania's career vs Taker's undefeated WM streak sounds like gold to me.

Don't forget Taker is also winding down his career. It'd be a shame to have his undefeated streak remain untouched, given the easy push it'd be for a main eventer. A final undefeated streak would be a thing of legend, but he should be beaten once at least.

You know what WOULD be cool. To have a Mania devoted to 'brother vs brother' matches. Edge vs Christian for the title. The Hardys facing off once again. And Taker taking on Kane. All these matches have had the necessary build up already. The brief encounter between Taker and Kane in the rumble match. The heel turn of Matt. And the anticipation of christian.

[Eisen-verse]

You know what WOULD be cool. To have a Mania devoted to 'brother vs brother' matches. Edge vs Christian for the title. The Hardys facing off once again. And Taker taking on Kane. All these matches have had the necessary build up already. The brief encounter between Taker and Kane in the rumble match. The heel turn of Matt. And the anticipation of christian.

Could be a cool spin, however, I don't think Christian would get a title shot that quickly. Back in the day of WCW vs. WWF you could see major stars jump ship and get a huge push right away hoping to capitalize on the new signing.

However in today's wrestling industry... The WWE hires people from other companies and then pushes them... then having them cool off for awhile to potentially have the superstar seem 100% as a WWE superstar and not a product of a previous company (see CM Punk).

While Christian was a WWE product originally... he spent the last year or two in TNA and now he's seen as recently a TNA product.

He could potentially make it to the top again but I honestly think him leaving in the first place kind of hurt his image with Vince and management. They will be hard pressed to give him a major push seeing how he "jilted them" and left the company for a competitor. Shouldn't be that way but in this current culture the WWE is king and can do whatever they want.

[Blackman]

The crowd will still love him. They can treat him like trash afterward, just give him the mania title shot. I even see WWE doing it and ignoring his TNA run like it never even happened.

Concerning RAW: what a stupid lineup for the elimination chamber. Kingston, Mysterio, ... I thought they were supposed to include brawlers in a match like that?. I'm sure Randy won't be in it. Let's hope for HBK or else, it'll be crap. :)

[darthsiddus2]

its already crap.

[GDE71]

So who are 2 smaller guys on Smackdown who will be in the E.Chamber?

[GatorBait19]

Should Taker/Michaels headline? Maybe. Not sold on it. But it should not be anything but a regular match. Those two on that stage don't need anything to get elevated. Leave the gimmicks & props to the lower workers that need to get over.


I wasn't trying to say it has to be a gimmick match, I was more saying it like it would add to it because they both made the match famous

[grits207]

You know what WOULD be cool. To have a Mania devoted to 'brother vs brother' matches. Edge vs Christian for the title. The Hardys facing off once again. And Taker taking on Kane. All these matches have had the necessary build up already. The brief encounter between Taker and Kane in the rumble match. The heel turn of Matt. And the anticipation of christian.

And most importantly Cody Rhodes vs Goldust!!! :P

[UkWrestleFan]

The crowd will still love him. They can treat him like trash afterward, just give him the mania title shot. I even see WWE doing it and ignoring his TNA run like it never even happened.

Concerning RAW: what a stupid lineup for the elimination chamber. Kingston, Mysterio, ... I thought they were supposed to include brawlers in a match like that?. I'm sure Randy won't be in it. Let's hope for HBK or else, it'll be crap. :)

Who said the Eilmination Chamber was supposed to include brawlers? I think it's good to see them giving smaller, more atheltic guys a bit of a push, espcially Kingston. If you'd have asked me before last nigths RAW if I thought he'd be included in a World Title match I'd have laughed. Refreshing.

[djthefunkchris]

Who said the Eilmination Chamber was supposed to include brawlers? I think it's good to see them giving smaller, more atheltic guys a bit of a push, espcially Kingston. If you'd have asked me before last nigths RAW if I thought he'd be included in a World Title match I'd have laughed. Refreshing.

Must not be the "RIGHT" little guys. People always complain, then if something like that happens, they complain even more. Makes me wonder what they really want.

[Self]

All of that chain-link and boxes to jump off... it's a Cruiserweight wonderland. Go The Brian Kendrick, Go!

I'm cool with Kingston in the EC. It's something different.

I LOVED the Goldust/Cody thing in the middle of the Rumble. It was a cool beat of character development in the midst of aimless brawling.

I hope when Christian comes back, someone says "Hey man, long time no see. Where have you been?" to which he replies "Nowhere in particular." Straight up burial.

[djthefunkchris]

All of that chain-link and boxes to jump off... it's a Cruiserweight wonderland. Go The Brian Kendrick, Go!

I'm cool with Kingston in the EC. It's something different.

I LOVED the Goldust/Cody thing in the middle of the Rumble. It was a cool beat of character development in the midst of aimless brawling.

I hope when Christian comes back, someone says "Hey man, long time no see. Where have you been?" to which he replies "Nowhere in particular." Straight up burial.

Part of me hopes he comes back bragging about being TNA World champion (Not say TNA, but "That other company" or something), and say's now he's ready for WWE Gold. Say's he can take anyone, as he's beaten the best there is at the other place.

Then Hornswaggle's music hits, comes down, and in some looney lucky embarressing flukey moment, get's the 1, 2, 3 on Christian in under 3minutes... That would be almost as funny as Santino's record breaking Royal Rumble.

[JTandSilentBob]

Did anybody else get reminded of Vampiro when they looked at Jeff Hardy during the rumble...

ahh I miss WcW.

[FINisher]

ahh I miss WcW.

It's funny how.. When I always type "wcw" I do it like,

wCw

.. It just looks so much better with the bigger C in the middle. :cool:

[cappyboy]

Did anybody else get reminded of Vampiro when they looked at Jeff Hardy during the rumble...

ahh I miss WcW.

Okay, I'm confused. You're comparing Jeff Hardy to an extra pasty mime who speaks and yet you profess to miss WCW. Something's not computing here.

[JTandSilentBob]

Okay, I'm confused. You're comparing Jeff Hardy to an extra pasty mime who speaks and yet you profess to miss WCW. Something's not computing here.

I was referring to the face paint. But hey I enjoyed Vampiro. His fued with Sting IMO was GOLD. cept for that whole stunt double on fire thing...:p

I enjoy Hardy as well, but it seems like every time I get behind him some kind of hurdle pops up, like drugs or drugs...or drugs.

[Blackman]

Who said the Eilmination Chamber was supposed to include brawlers? I think it's good to see them giving smaller, more atheltic guys a bit of a push, espcially Kingston. If you'd have asked me before last nigths RAW if I thought he'd be included in a World Title match I'd have laughed. Refreshing.

If this was TEW, the match rating will suck. We'll just have to see how it turns out. RVD in the Elimination Chamber was awesome, but then again, he IS a mainly a brawler. :)

[Hyde Hill]

Maybe the creative teamthese forums read ?

I have often thought that but then realised if they did the shows would be a lot better hehe.

[Moe Hunter]

If this was TEW, the match rating will suck. We'll just have to see how it turns out. RVD in the Elimination Chamber was awesome, but then again, he IS a mainly a brawler. :)
Okay, but was it his brawling that was good, or say, when he did a Rolling Thunder over the ropes, or the 5* Frog Splash off the Chamber?

I like the fast guys in there. So much more fun.

[Self]

It's all well and good saying the Elimination Chamber is for brawlers, in fact in TEW I like the match being defined in that way, but I'd still pay top dollar to see Alex Shelley vs Chris Sabin vs AJ Styles vs Curry Man vs Jay Lethal vs Kaz in there, with 45 minutes to kill and a two-week break after it. Really explore the space, you know, more is more.

[wilts]

It's all well and good saying the Elimination Chamber is for brawlers, in fact in TEW I like the match being defined in that way, but I'd still pay top dollar to see Alex Shelley vs Chris Sabin vs AJ Styles vs Curry Man vs Jay Lethal vs Kaz in there, with 45 minutes to kill and a two-week break after it. Really explore the space, you know, more is more.
Now that is the 1 match that I would pay to see! Can't get more entertaining than that, only the roof of the cells and the roof of the chamber would need to be much higher.
It is kind of like the ladder match, yeah HBK vs Razor was good, but it is so much more fun when you have guys that can fly. Don't get me wrong, HBK vs Razor is 1 of my fav ladder matches, but for me nothing beats Hardys vs E&C or something along those lines, and I think elimination chamber would be the same. Big brawlers are good, but quick guys would bring a whole new dimension to it.