Every Muay Thai clinch = 1 knee ko?

[thatmizfit]

It seems like if a fighter gets the muay thai clinch, all it takes is one knee to ko their opponent. Infact, once they get the clinch you already know they've won.

The muai thay clinch should work like the ground game, giving the fighter on the recieving end a chance to block an attack, reverse or escape like in real life. It should also take more than one knee to land before ruling a knockout/ or knock down. It would add to the suspense factor and make the clinch alot less predictable at the same time.

[Derek B]

It's the fighters you are using. If you have someone in the clinch with great knees against someone with a relatively weak jaw, they're going down. But I've had fights that have gone pretty much three rounds of someone being dragged into a clinch, only to have the other person escape it, block knees or simply just take them because they are more than capable of dealing with it.

As with almost any complaint (not enough subs, head kicks etc) it comes down to the stats involved. If you have people who's only real offense is a headkick then you're going to see headkicks. If you have people who are only good at submissions then you're going to see submissions. And if you see someone with a glass jaw, you're gonna see KO's.

[mickel]

In my Lermontov vs Li-Kung Ho fight, Lermontov hit Ho with about five straight kneews from the clinch. He cut him, but he didn't put him down. Was shocked. :D

[Eyeball]

My experience is the exact opposite. "Fighter A puts Fighter B in the Muay Thai clinch, Fighter B either blocks 10 repeated kneeing attempts and eats 1, Fighter B disengages."

Don't be surprised if somebody like Sukarno KOs a lot of wrestlers with knees. It's what the guys with strong muay thai stats DO, there just aren't that many of them around.

[bitlos]

Just last night I had a fighter put another twice in the Muay Thai clinch, hit several big knees both times but the fight went to a decision.

[ChrisWest]

The only 2 knock outs I've seen from the clinch have been from the first knee, however, I've seen fighters throw 5-10 knees without knocking their opponent out many times.

[Lux`]

Guilherme de Barros just KO'd a dude after three knees in my game. There's a fair amount of stuff that can happen in the clinch, and it's really awesome when a dude takes 5-6 knees, has his face all busted up and then goes on to win the fight. Drama. Love it.

[wrigley]

I'm just under a year in, and have run about 80ish fights, and all of them are low-level, low-skilled guys (I started my own promotion via the editor and are signing rookies and guys I can afford); and I've had about three fights where someone ended up in a muay thai clinch.

Unfortunately I don't recall the fighters involved, but what's interesting is that each had a vastly different outcome.

The first fight it seemed as if he couldn't land a knee to save his life. The muay thai fighter had his opponent in a clinch for more than half of two different rounds, and either missed or had every knee blocked. He ultimately won a decision.

The second fight, the muay thai fighter landed about 4 or 5 knees to both the body and head, and ultimately knocked his opponent out.

The third fight, the MT fighter popped his opponent with knee after knee and the guy wouldn't go down. The MT fighter still got the decision, but man he inflicted some punishment.

So I know it's small sample size, but from what I've seen, there's nothing automatic about the fight engine.

[Egnuldt]

Adrian Swall was up against a regeneration of Cliff McAddam, and had him in the Muay Thai clinch every single round and could not one time hit McAddam in the face, McAddam always blocked it or he missed. Swall did win the decision though.

Also, Moss Gilbert fought Aaron McBroom and got blasted with about 6 straight knees to the face and did not go down.

Atep of Indonesia clipped Helio once with a knee strike to the face and knocked him out as well.

So I guess it all depends.

[Thriller]

In my Lermontov vs Li-Kung Ho fight, Lermontov hit Ho with about five straight kneews from the clinch. He cut him, but he didn't put him down. Was shocked. :D

Wow. Who won that fight?

[FINisher]

I've had a fight where the myua thai clinch was applied but the fighters got out of it.. After few knees to the head. :P

[thatmizfit]

Ofcourse as soon as I post this I get a fight where the person clinches and doesn't ko his opponent with the first knee thrown...came back to say nevermind but you guys respond fast!

[Blackman]

In my games it's like a 50/50. Sometimes they escape after blocking knee strikes, sometimes they take 'em and don't go down, sometimes they get ko'd instantly. I don't notice a trend... :p

[OutlawIII]

I had a fight where one fighter used the MT clinch and nailed 5 knees on two different occasions, for a total of 10 knees, and never knocked the other person out.

[d_w_w]

I had a fight where one fighter used the MT clinch and nailed 5 knees on two different occasions, for a total of 10 knees, and never knocked the other person out.

Yeah. I've seen similar fights, except it was like this for every round. I counted 26 knees and no KO.

[Crazy Bacon Legs]

I've had some great Muay Thai battles.


This is one of my favorites so far. I was actually really, really excited (that's TWO reallys) while reading it! :D

>Moving on, Alan 'Flash' Kendall will battle Lloyd 'The K.O. Kid' McAllister in the GAMMA Welterweight division.
>We are underway!
>Kendall hits McAllister with a flurry of jabs and straight punches.
>Kendall throws a couple of jabs, then chooses to shoot in on McAllister.
>Kendall doesn't get the takedown, McAllister saw it coming and was equal to it.
>Kendall is looking to turn this into a wrestling match, and is getting in closer to McAllister.
>McAllister uses movement to keep out reach, meaning Kendall cannot get close enough to grapple.
>McAllister switches stances, throws a speculative punch, then switches right back again.
>Kendall comes in closer to press the issue.
>Moving in closer, Kendall looks like he may want to wrestle McAllister.
>McAllister finds himself pulled into a grappling contest.
>Kendall is trying to force McAllister into a Muay Thai clinch.
>Kendall manages it, and now controls McAllister by the back of the head.
>We've now passed the halfway mark in this round.
>Using the clinch, Kendall hits a vicious knee to the face!
>Using the clinch, Kendall hits a vicious knee to the face!
>Using the clinch, Kendall blasts McAllister with a powerful knee to the cheek!
>From the clinch, McAllister gets hit with a knee to the side of the face!
>Using the Muay Thai clinch, Kendall blasts McAllister with a big knee to the face!
>McAllister finally breaks free of the Muay Thai clinch.
>Kendall throws a couple of jabs as a set up, then shoots in for a takedown.
>McAllister tries to avoid Kendall.
>McAllister avoids the takedown attempt.
>We're into the final minute of the round.
>Kendall snaps off a jab that catches McAllister stepping in.
>Kendall hits a jab.
>Time expires and we come to the end of round one.
>Kendall takes that round easily by 10-8 on my score card.
>We are back underway!
>McAllister glances a right hand strike off the side of the left shoulder.
>Kendall steps in closer to force the issue.
>Kendall looks like he might be trying to get in close and wrestle with McAllister.
>Not keen on wrestling Kendall, McAllister uses movement to keep out of reach.
>Kendall looks to be trying to close the distance between them.
>McAllister uses movement to keep out reach, meaning Kendall cannot get close enough to grapple.
>McAllister moves in closer but takes a crisp jab to the face.
>Kendall comes in closer, looking to wrestle with McAllister.
>McAllister finds himself pulled into a grappling contest.
>Kendall uses some dirty boxing as he grapples with McAllister.
>Kendall tries to get McAllister into a Muay Thai clinch.
>Kendall manages it, and now controls McAllister by the back of the head.
>We move into the second half of this round.
>Using the clinch, Kendall hits a vicious knee to the face!
>Using the clinch, Kendall hits a vicious knee to the face!
>Blood is visible on McAllister, that strike looks to have opened up a cut under his eye.
>Using the Muay Thai clinch, Kendall blasts McAllister with a big knee to the face!
>Using the Muay Thai clinch, Kendall blasts McAllister with a big knee to the face!
>Using the clinch, Kendall blasts McAllister with a powerful knee to the cheek!
>McAllister finally escapes the Muay Thai clinch.
>The referee calls for a pause, he wants to check the cut on McAllister.
>The doctor checks the wound, and doesn't take long to signal to the referee that it is only minor.
>The fight recommences!
>The end of the round is coming quick, there's under a minute left.
>A quick one-two combination from McAllister only finds gloves.
>Kendall doesn't press the issue, allowing McAllister to circle.
>Alan Kendall is breathing very hard.
>Kendall comes in with a couple of jabs, using them as cover so that he can shoot in.
>McAllister attempts to avoid Kendall as he shoots in.
>Kendall can't get the takedown, McAllister was too quick to back away.
>The time is up, and that's the end of round two.
>There's no question that Kendall took that round, I'm giving it a 10-8 score.
>We are back underway!
>Both fighters go to exchange blows, but neither gets past the gloves of the other.
>Kendall counters a punch by hitting a clean punch.
>Kendall is knocked off his feet by a barrage of big punches!
>Kendall shakes off the cobwebs quickly though, and is alert.
>On his back, Kendall watches as McAllister leaps over and attempts a diving punch!
>McAllister hits it, but it was so wild that it didn't connect fully and Kendall is able to survive and pull guard.
>McAllister throws a few strikes, but they are without venom.
>Kendall tries to sweep McAllister.
>The sweep works, but only results in both fighters ending up scrambling back to their feet.
>Kendall tries for a jab but McAllister moves out of range.
>We go past the halfway point of this round.
>McAllister steps back to avoid a jab.
>Kendall looks to be trying to close the distance between them.
>McAllister is pulled into a grapple.
>Kendall is trying to lock McAllister into a Muay Thai clinch.
>Kendall manages it, and now controls McAllister by the back of the head.
>From the clinch, McAllister gets hit with a knee to the side of the face!
>Alan Kendall seems to be fighting against exhaustion.
>From the clinch, Kendall drives a knee into the face of McAllister!
>Using the clinch, Kendall blasts McAllister with a powerful knee to the cheek!
>We're into the final minute of the round.
>From the clinch, Kendall drives a knee into the face of McAllister!
>Using the clinch, Kendall hits a vicious knee to the face!
>McAllister pulls free of the clinch after taking a beating.
>They come together and strike, but neither can get past the gloves of the other.
>Having stepped in close to throw their strikes, they end up clinched.
>Alan Kendall looks totally gassed.
>We reach the time limit and this fight is over.
>That has to go down as a 10-9 round to Kendall.
>The judges' scores are now being announced.
>Judge #1: 30-25 Kendall.
>Judge #2 gives a score of 30-25 in favour of Kendall.
>Judge #3 has given 30-25 to Kendall.
>The winner, by unanimous decision, is Alan Kendall!
>Official Result: Alan 'Flash' Kendall defeats Lloyd 'The K.O. Kid' McAllister (Unanimous Decision in 5:00 of round 3). The match was rated as being Great.


I still can't believe McAllister was conscious after all those knees. He got whupped, but kudos for making it to the end.

(The point being that there are a lot of different knee situations depending on who is fighting and how they do in that particular fight)

[thatmizfit]

>The co-main event is up next. 'The Fist Of Justice' Ikku Funaki will battle 'Thunder Foot' Bixente Fontaine in the XCC Welterweight division.
>The fight begins!
>Moving in closer, Funaki looks like he may want to wrestle Fontaine.
>Fontaine is pulled into a grapple.
>Funaki uses some dirty boxing as he grapples with Fontaine.
>Funaki is trying to lock Fontaine into a Muay Thai clinch.
>Funaki manages it, and now controls Fontaine by the back of the head.
>Using the clinch, Funaki blasts Fontaine with a powerful knee to the cheek!
>From the clinch, Fontaine gets hit with a knee to the side of the face!
>Using the Muay Thai clinch, Funaki blasts Fontaine with a big knee to the face!
>Fontaine has a gash under his eye from that strike.
>Using the Muay Thai clinch, Funaki blasts Fontaine with a big knee to the face!
>From the clinch, Fontaine gets hit with a knee to the side of the face!
>Fontaine finally breaks free of the Muay Thai clinch.
>With Fontaine bleeding, the referee pauses the fight so that the cut can be checked.
>The ringside doctor gives the wound a look, but quickly signals that it is not going to be a problem.
>The referee signals for the fight to continue!
>Funaki throws a couple of jabs as a set up, then shoots in for a takedown.
>To counter, Fontaine fires off a strike which doesn't miss by much.
>We are now at the halfway point of the round.
>Fontaine gets hit with a crisp jab.
>Funaki is looking to turn this into a wrestling match, and is getting in closer to Fontaine.
>He pulls Fontaine into a grapple.
>Fontaine tries to wriggle free, but Funaki controls him well and gets in a few close-range punches too.
>Funaki is trying to lock Fontaine into a Muay Thai clinch.
>He has it hooked, Fontaine needs to find a way out quickly.
>Using the clinch, Funaki blasts Fontaine with a powerful knee to the cheek!
>We have one minute of the round remaining.
>Using the clinch, Funaki blasts Fontaine with a powerful knee to the cheek!
>From the clinch, Fontaine gets hit with a knee to the side of the face!
>From the clinch, Fontaine gets hit with a knee to the side of the face!
>Using the clinch, Funaki hits a vicious knee to the face!
>Round one is brought to an end as time runs out.
>I'm giving that round 10-7 to Funaki, Fontaine was just absolutely dominated.