Death of the Territories

[Rick Arnold]

Version 1.0

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Until TEW05 actually releases, I'll be using this as a place to collect all the data that I... collect.

Starting with Arena Lists, these will be used for both '83 and '84. It'll be updated as I go on:

* = Added to Game

Alabama:
*Alabama Theater - Small
*Birmingham Jefferson Convention Center - Medium
*Mobile Civic Center - Medium

Alaska:
Coffman Cove High School - Tiny
Ketchikan VFW Bingo Hall - Tiny
Northern Lights Bingo Hall - Tiny
Sitka Legion Bingo Hall - Tiny

Arizona:
Apache County Armory - Small
Camp Navajo Armory - Small
Chandler KOC Bingo Hall - Tiny
Chandler High School - Tiny
Chino Valley Bingo Hall - Tiny
Chino Valley High School - Tiny
Cochise County Armory - Small
Flagstaff Elks Bingo Hall - Small
Paradise Valley High School - Tiny
Sixshooters Sports Bar & Grill - Tiny
Tempe High School - Tiny
The Log Cabin - Tiny
Yuma High School - Tiny
Veteran's Memorial Coliseum - Big

Arkansas:
Benton County Armory - Small
Benton High School - Tiny
*D.W. Reynolds Stadium - Very Big
Estes Stadium - Medium
Fort Smith High School - Tiny
Harper Stadium - Medium
*Indian Stadium - Big
Pulaski County Armory - Small
Ray Winder Field - Medium

California:
Great Western Forum - Very Big
Oakland Coliseum - Big
San Diego Sports Arena - Big
The Cow Palace - Big
The LA Sports Arena - Big
The Rose Bowl - Huge

Colorado:
McNichols Sports Arena - Big
Mile High Stadium - Huge

Connecticut:
Hartford Civic Center - Medium
The New Haven Coliseum - Medium

Florida:
Dick Howser Stadium - Medium
Eddie Graham Sports Complex - Medium
Fort Homer Hesterly Armory - Small
James L. Knight Center - Medium
Miami Convention Center - Medium
The Orange Bowl - Huge

Georgia:
Alexander Memorial Coliseum - Big
The Omni - Very Big

Hawaii:
Aloha Stadium - Very Big
Baldwin High School - Tiny
Hawaii War Memorial Stadium - Medium
Kauai High School - Tiny
Lahaina Civic Center - Medium
Mid-Pacific High School - Tiny
Seabury High School - Tiny
St. Louis High School - Tiny
Waiakea High School - Tiny

Illinois:
Chicago Stadium - Very Big
Comiskey Park - Huge
International Amphitheatre - Big
The UIC Pavillion - Medium

Indiana:
Market Square Arena - Big

Iowa:
Carver-Hawkeye Arena - Medium (Pure)

Kentucky:
Louisville Gardens - Medium

Louisiana:
Irish McNiel Boys Club - Tiny
Louisiana Superdome - Huge

Maine:
Cumberland County Civic Center - Medium
Lewiston Armory - Small
Old Orchard Beach - Medium
Old Orchard (Guide) Park - Medium
Portland Expo - Small
Sanford Elks Hall - Tiny
Scarborough VIP Bingo Hall - Tiny
Topsham Fairgrounds - Tiny

Maryland:
Baltimore Civic Center - Big
The Capitol Center - Medium
USAir Arena - Very Big
Wicomico Youth & Civic Center - Small

Massachusetts:
*The Boston Garden - Huge
The Cape Cod Coliseum - Medium
Worchester Civic Center - Medium

Michigan:
Cobo Arena - Very Big
Joe Louis Arena - Big
Olympia Stadium - Big
Saginaw County Events Center - Medium
The IMA Sports Arena - Small
The L.C. Walker Arena - Small
The Pontiac Silverdome - Huge
Wings Stadium - Medium

Minnesota:
Bloomington Armory - Small
Calhoun Beach Club - Tiny
Cottage Grove Armory - Small
Hubert H. Humphrey Metrodome - Huge
Minneapolis Auditorium - Medium
St. Paul Civic Center - Very Big
The DECC in Duluth - Medium
The Metropolitan Sports Center - Medium
West St. Paul Armory - Small

Missouri:
Kemper Arena - Big
Kiel Auditorium - Big
The Checkerdome - Big

Nevada:
Caesar's Palace - Medium
Crystal Bay High School - Tiny
Lake Tahoe High School - Tiny
Sam Boyd Stadium - Big
The Mirage - Small
The Rivera - Tiny
Thomas & Mack Arena - Medium

New Hampshire:
The JFK Coliseum - Big
The Penman Fieldhouse - Medium

New Jersey:
Brenden Byrne Arena - Big
Hazlet High School - Tiny
Hopewell High School - Tiny
Lacy High School - Tiny
Teaneck Armory - Small
The Meadowlands - Huge
The Tropicana - Medium
Troy Civic Center - Medium
West Orange High School - Tiny

New York:
Buffalo Civic Center - Medium
Buffalo Memorial Auditorium - Big
*Glens Falls Civic Center - Medium
Leeman High School - Tiny
*Madison Square Garden IV - Huge
Mid-Hudson Civic Center - Medium
Nassau Coliseum - Big
RPI Fieldhouse - Medium
*Shea Stadium - Very Big
St. Raymond's High School - Tiny
*Susan Wagner High School - Tiny
The Ridgewood Groves Arena - Small
*Yankee Stadium - Very Big
Wagner College Gym - Small
Westchester County Civic Center - Big

North Carolina:
Charlotte Memorial Stadium - Big
Dorton Arena - Medium
Greensboro Coliseum - Very Big

Ohio:
Akron Armory - Small
Brookpark UFW Hall - Tiny
Cleveland Arena - Big
Cleveland Convention Center - Medium
Cleveland Municipal Stadium - Huge
Cincinnati Gardens - Big
James Rhodes High School - Tiny
Richfield Coliseum - Very Big
Riverfront Stadium - Huge

Oklahoma:
Tulsa Convention Center - Medium

Oregon:
Autzen Stadium - Very Big
Chiles Center - Small (1984)
Gill Coliseum - Medium
Kliever National Guard Armory - Small
Lane County Fairgrounds - Small
McArthur Court - Medium
Parker Stadium - Big
Portland Sports Arena - Big
The Memorial Coliseum - Big

Pennsylvania:
Allentown Agriculture Hall - Small
Berwick High School - Tiny
Erie High School - Tiny
Pittsburgh Civic Arena - Medium
Reading High School - Tiny
Shamokin High School - Tiny
The Spectrum - Very Big
The Zembo Temple - Medium
Three Rivers Stadium - Huge
Zembo Temple - Medium
York High School - Tiny

Rhode Island:
The Warwick Musical Theater - Small
Warren High School - Tiny

South Carolina:
Charleston Armory - Small
Clemson Bingo Hall - Tiny
Colombia National Guard Armory - Small
Myrtle Beach Elks Lodge - Tiny

Tennessee:
Mid-South Coliseum - Big
The Municipal Auditorium - Medium

Texas:
Cotton Bowl - Very Big
Fair Park Coliseum - Medium
Fort Worth Convention Center - Medium
Hemisphere Arena - Medium
Jimmy Jack's BBQ Shack - Tiny
Mesquite Rodeo Arena - Medium
Reunion Arena - Big
Sam Houston Coliseum - Big
Texas Stadium - Huge
The Sportatorium - Medium
The Summit - Very Big

Utah:
The Salt Palace - Big

Vermont:
Arnold's Pub and Grub - Tiny
Derby Elks Lodge - Tiny
Rutland Moose Club - Tiny
Springfield VFW Bingo Hall - Tiny
Vermont State Fairgrounds - Small

Washington:
Kingdome - Huge
Tacoma Dome - Big
The Seattle Center Coliseum - Medium

Wisconsin:
Brown City Arena - Medium
Dane County Coliseum - Medium
Summerfest Grounds - Medium
The MECCA - Big

[cm_p_u_n_k]

Are you going to be transfering the data over by using the tool or are you starting from scratch? Im assuming answer 2...

[Rick Arnold]

No, the first choice offers less work in the long run, so I'll have to opt for that one.

[cm_p_u_n_k]

Oh, well that's a shock. I suppose it would make it more clean aswell. Will you be including UK like in WreSpi?

[Rick Arnold]

It's a direct port of the WreSpi scenario, so yes.

[cm_p_u_n_k]

Cool, but one request. Don't add Old Trafford or Anfield or any other UK huge stadiums that feature in top flight football (soccer) unless you really must. Somehow I can't see Big Daddy bouncing around infront of 55,000 people :)

[Worg]

Hey, don't forget the Saginaw County Events Center (Wendler Arena) in Saginaw, Michigan.

Actually saw one of the first wrestling events I ever saw in my life there in 1987. It's been hosting all sorts of events, including wrestling, since it was built in 1972.

I've been there a bunch of times, car shows, knife & hunting shows... Hell, I even saw Queensryche there in 1991.

Seats about 7600 people.

And, for the time in which the scenario is set, the Olympia Arena in Detorit should be called the "Joe Lewis Arena." The name only changed in the last couple years.

The IMA Sports Arena in Flint, Michigan, has also been host to a ton of wrestling events, concerts, hockey matches, boat shows, and all sorts of other crap. Journey even played there a couple times in 1978 and 1979.

I believe some of the USA Networks wrestling broadcasts in the mid-80s were even taped/shot there.

Not sure on the seating numbers, but calling it "small" would probably be safe. Most of the hockey games I went to there looked to have a few seats over 1000. Prolly seats around 1200 or so.

[Rick Arnold]

The site I had gotten the information off of called it Olympia, so thanks for correcting it.

[Worg]

No problem at all. Just figured I'd letcha know.

That's the joy of having a worldwide community like this, we can help one another out.

Also helps I'm a Michigan Native, and I grew up going to events at all the Stadiums that were on the list, plus the ones I mentioned, and you added.

[janssenstudios]

McArthur Court - Eugene, Oregon - holds 9087
Autzen Stadium - Eugene, Oregon - held 41700 in the 80s, if anyone cares, it currently holds 58000
Reser Stadium (in 80s, called Parker Stadium) - Corvallis, Oregon - held 40593 in 80s, now holds 35362 (odd, it's now lower)
Chiles Center (opened in 1984) - Portland, Oregon - holds 5000
Gill Colesium - Corvallis, Oregon - holds 10400
Memorial Colesium (I realise it's already listed) - Portland, Oregon - holds 13000

Those are the ones I found in my home state. The information is mostly from Wikipedia, here's a link to assist you: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_indoor_arenas
Hope that helped, don't know how big you plan on making the venue files.

[Worg]

Hmmm... Did a bit more research, and it appears that Olympia Stadium is the OLD stadium in which the Wings played. IT closed in 1986, and seated about 17000.

Joe Louis Arena opened in 1978, and seats a little over 20000.

Seems conceivable that BOTH of these arenas would be available in the 1984 setting of DoTT. That would be especially appropriate during hockey season, when the Joe presents hockey matches 2 or 3 times a week.

And, another addition... The Pontiac Silverdome... Completed in 1975, seating a few hundred over 80000.

"The biggest crowd to ever gather there for a sporting event was on March 29, 1987 for WrestleMania III, when 93,173 fans attended to see Hulk Hogan take on André the Giant."

Totally forgot about that. ::chuckle::

[Worg]

Don't forget Shea Stadium in Flushing, New York, either.

[KAKnyght]

Another arena of the day...

The Seattle Center Coliseum ( Known as KeyArena today )
Seattle, Washington
Capacity - 12,500 - Medium sized or small?

The WWF always had events at the Coliseum when I was growing up. Not sure the exact capacity, but this site (http://www.seattletotems.org/arenacoliseum.html) listed it as having a capacity of 12,300 for hockey; I imagine you could fit quite a bit more for a wrestling event.

[Chris2K]

The Silverdome only has a 60-70,000 capacity. The 93,000, if true, was heightened by people who stood rather than had a seat.

[Grimm]

I don't know if it was a regular venue for wrestling back in the day or not, but I know we had wrestling here in Muskegon, Michigan at the L.C. Walker Arena. Seating capacity is 5,000.

[Rick Arnold]

All the response on this has been great so far. Right now, I'm looking for Tiny to Small venues to fill the spots up a bit. Tiny venues would be any bars or the sort and high schools and Small venues would be your average bingo hall or small armories.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

More Ohio:

Cleveland Municipal Stadium - Huge
Cleveland Convention Center - Medium/Big
Akron Armory - Small
Brookpark VFW Hall - Very Small
James Rhodes High School - Very Small

[KAKnyght]

I know you've since removed the promotion from the scenario, but what was the place in Las Vegas that G.L.O.W. shot out from? The Riviera? That would be a tiny or small one.

[Rick Arnold]

I'll be adding a few Vegas casinos.

[Worg]

The Silverdome has 80,325 permanent seats.

For events like concerts and wrestling, they put a ton of seats on the field surface, which, along with the standing room, is what pushed it up to 93k.

Straight from www.silverdome.com:
"The two highest attended events at the Silverdome were in 1987 when 93,682 people visited the stadium to hear Pope John Paul II conduct mass and 93,173 fans packed the stadium for Wrestlemania III in 1987."

Oh yes, and another stadium, although not Small... Wings Stadium in Kalamazoo, Michigan. Built in 1974. Seats about 5k. Has hosted all sorts of events, not the least of which are the hockey matches of the Kalamazoo Wings of the IHL. Elvis even played there once.

Looking for some small and tiny venues as well. I know there are several small wrestling feds in Michigan, just taking a bit to hunt up some info on where they put on their shows.

[janssenstudios]

Kliever National Guard Armory - Portland, Oregon - Very Small

[theaddicane]

This sounds brilliant, and with the promtion relationships in the game now then the NWA could be set up properly, sharing workers. Really looking forward trying to sign the champ to a match, getting the hottest tag teams to work for me and having huge shows at arenas like the silverdome.

[coldheat422]

Nassau colliseum should be very big.

[Rick Arnold]

It's all based on a system I'm working on to scale arenas, seeing as most of the Very Big arenas should be Huge and the Big arenas should be Very Big. So it's skewering them.

[Hotrod]

Illinois Venues
Rosemont Horizon.......Chicago 18,000
Assembly Hall............Champaign 16,000
Peoria Civic Center......Peoria 10,000
Iroquois County Fairgrounds....2,500
Watseka Community High School......1,250
Glenn Raymond School...........800

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Here are venues that World Class ran in Texas:
I'm not sure on sizes...

City Coliseum - Austin, Texas
Heart of Texas Coliseum - Waco, Texas
Will Rogers Coliseum - Fort Worth
Reunion Arena - Dallas
Cotton Bowl - Dallas
Texas Stadium - Irving, Texas
Mesquite Rodeo Arena - Mesquite, Texas
Frank W. Mayborn Civic Center - Temple, Texas
Taylor County Coliseum - Abilene, Texas
Lubbock Memorial Civic Center - Lubbock, Texas

[Rick Arnold]

Most of the sizes will be skewered... so that each region will really only end up with atmost two Huge venues, usually football stadiums and a mix of Very Big, which end up being places like the Spectrum, MSG and the Boston Garden.

And Adam has confirmed it in the chat, instead of scouring the net for obscure '83 sponsors, this year, I'll be scouring the net for obscure '83 TV shows! As my plans are to have the networks and competing shows be actual shows from '83 and '84.

So that means aside from having to compete with the WWF's Tuesday Night Titans, you also get to mess with The A-Team... and After MASH...

Of course, I'd be worried about having to face Manimal...

[captainlou]

Connecticut:
Hartford Civic Center - Medium

Rhode Island:
Providence Civic Center - Medium (it is now known as the Dunkin Donuts Center, affectionately called The Dunk)

[Thomnipotent]

Denver Coliseum
Denver, Colorado
Capacity - 10,000

[coldheat422]

But making a certain amount of huge arenas in a certain venue isn't real to do. Like Maybe there's 4 big ones in the northeast, and 1 in the northwest. Don't go ahead and only make 1 northeast so it's fair, make it real. That would be saying take Tom Brady off the Patriots because they're too good!

[D. Boon's Ghost]

I agree with coldheat; if you level the playing field, it takes away what makes certain areas of the country unique. There were reasons that particular regions of the country were so heavily contested by promotions.

[Rick Arnold]

Well, they're still be level, as it means the Northeast will have more Very Big arenas then other regions.

Of course, it's all a matter of testing it at this point, as I don't know what effects having 10 Huge venues in one region is going to do, compared to 2 Huge venues and 8 Very Big.

[gdhawley]

Minnesota:

Calhoun Beach Club, tiny (where they taped the AWA TV shows)
Minneapolis Auditorium, Med
The DECC in Duluth, Med
West St. Paul Armory, small
Bloomington Armory, small

[cappyboy]

Maine:
Portland Civic Center - Medium
Sanford Elks Hall - Tiny
Scarborough VIP Bingo Hall - Tiny



You have the first one wrong. It would be the Cumberland County Civic Center. But a good call putting it at Medium. Except for maybe the stadium where the Maine Guides were playing in Old Orchard Beach (wanna call it Guide Park but can't remember at the moment) it would be the biggest venue you'd find in Maine

And since you were saying you were needing Tiny and Small venues, you could probably throw in the Portland Expo for a Small. They've been know to run indy shows at times. Not sure whether they took wrestling shows this far back but they have run quite a few since the mid-90's

And you'll also want the Lewiston Armory for another Small venue. They were THE arena of choice when the Savoldi-run ICW ran shows in Maine during the mid to late 80's.

For another Tiny, you could use the Topsham Fairgrounds. The one indy card I actually managed to get to when I lived in Maine was held here as a major attraction for the fair.

The aforementioned Old Orchard Beach should also probably figure in somewhere. Probably as a Small or Medium. I don't specifically remember any shows running there. But other than the Topsham Fairgrounds, it would have been the most likely choice for an open air show run in Maine.

[cappyboy]

Oh and I almost forgot the Alfond Arena in Orono where the University of Maine plays their hockey and basketball games. Capacity at this point in time would be 3800 and sell-outs would have been a regular thing at the Alfond. So it seems reasonable that a wrestling promotion might have been able to book it when Black Bear sports were off-season .

[Tree]

Here are venues that World Class ran in Texas:
I'm not sure on sizes...

City Coliseum - Austin, Texas
Heart of Texas Coliseum - Waco, Texas
Will Rogers Coliseum - Fort Worth
Reunion Arena - Dallas
Cotton Bowl - Dallas
Texas Stadium - Irving, Texas
Mesquite Rodeo Arena - Mesquite, Texas
Frank W. Mayborn Civic Center - Temple, Texas
Taylor County Coliseum - Abilene, Texas
Lubbock Memorial Civic Center - Lubbock, Texas

i was gonna make a similar post, because i think some of the below are incorrect:

Cotton Bowl - Very Big
Fair Park Coliseum - Medium
Fort Worth Convention Center - Medium
Hemisphere Arena - Medium
Jimmy Jack's BBQ Shack - Tiny
Mesquite Rodeo Arena - Medium
Reunion Arena - Big
Sam Houston Coliseum - Big
Texas Stadium - Huge
The Sportatorium - Medium
The Summit - Very Big

growing up in Ft. Worth, i dont believe there ever was a Ft. Worth Convention Center - rather, the Tarrant County Convention Center, where i saw everyone from the Village People to Van Halen as a kid.

also - having Texas Stadium as Huge and the Cotton Bowl as Very Big appears to be incorrect, as the Cotton Bowl holds about 3,000 more people than Texas Stadium.

also, having the FW Convention Center/Tarrant Country Convention Center being the same size as The Sportatorium would be in correct. it's a lot closer in size to Reunion Arena (13,500 to about 18,000) than it is The Sportarium.

For that matter, the Houston Summit (about 16,000) sat less people than Reunion Arena. Sam Houston Coliseum was smaller than all of them, at about 9,000. And Fair Park Coliseum was even smaller, with about 7200.

Hemisphere Arena, btw, holds over 21,000.

so, if i were to adjust the above, it would look something like:

Cotton Bowl - Huge
Texas Stadium - Huge
Hemisphere Arena - Very Big
Reunion Arena - Very Big
The Summit - Big
Tarrant County Convention Center - Big
Sam Houston Coliseum - Medium
Fair Park Coliseum - Medium
Mesquite Rodeo Arena - Small
The Sportatorium - Small
Jimmy Jack's BBQ Shack - Tiny (is this even real?? LOL)

just my two cents, although it's probably a nickel's worth...

[larry_boy_44]

WI arena:

Madison - Dane County Colliseum - 9,131 for basketball
Green Bay - Brown City Arena - I would say the same as Dane County (10,000)
Milwaukee - Summerfest Grounds - I would say this is similar to Dane/Brown arenas... about 10,000 or so... I went to a show here when I was 3, have pictures, no way was there more than 10-15,000 there...

I don't know about smaller arenas...

these were all around in the early 80s... I went to a wrestling show in '85 ('86?) at Summerfest, and those grounds have been there in some form for a lot longer than that... so I know they DID do wrestling shows there (and I went to a WWF show in '85 or '86)

so.. yeah...

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Here's a brief sample of WWF tour stops in 1983:

Hartford, CT - Civic Center
Allentown, PA - Agriculture Hall (they did a lot of 'Championship Wrestling' television tapings here from Jan '83 - just about the end of the year)
Landover, MD - Capitol Centre
Toronto, Ontario - Maple Leaf Gardens
New Hampshire College - Penman Fieldhouse
Staten Island, NY - Wagner College Gym
Philadelphia, PA - Spectrum
Pittsburgh, PA - Civic Arena
Poughkeepsie, NY - Mid-Hudson Civic Center
Troy, NY - RPI Fieldhouse
Manchester, NH - JFK Coliseum
Harrisburg, PA - Zembo Temple
White Plains, NY - Westchester County Civic Center
Reading, PA - Reading High School
Buffalo, NY - Memorial Auditorium
Brooklyn, NY - Sheepshead Bay High School
Trumbull, CT - Trumbull High School
Bronx, NY - Leeman High School
Hopewell, NJ - Hopewell High School
Berwick, PA - Berwick High School
Hazlet, NJ - Hazlet High School
Forked River, NJ - Lacy High School
Staten Island, NY - Susan Wagner High School

Obviously, the majority of these stops would be House Shows in TEW (High Schools, and whatnot).

[cappyboy]

[QUOTE=D. Boon's Ghost]
New Hampshire College - Penman Fieldhouse
QUOTE]

Again, located in Manchester, NH. Penman, Class of 95 here

[Vladamire Dracos]

Can't have Portland Wrestling without the Portland Sports Arena (in Portland Oregon, naturally) in the game. It served as PW's "Home arena" from 1968 until the promotion was sold to Sandy Barr, around 1992.

Another place of note is Lane County Fairgrounds in Eugene, OR. It shares a special place in the hearts of PW fans as many saw their first live event there. :) Not sure on sizes though.

I found an interesting article here: http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:0XvFavzfP2EJ:members.tripod.com/kaar1700/tv12.html+%22Portland+Wrestling%22%2B%22Don+Owens% 22&hl=en

Kliever National Guard Armory - Portland, Oregon - Very Small

I'm not sure that one is period, but if it is, it's funny. The latest incarnation of Portland Wrestling holds its events from there now (after all these years, despite McManon's WWF, despite ownership changing hands from Don Owens to Sandy Barr to Don Coss, despite the death of the territories, and despite wrestling losing its "cool" factor, there's still a PW). :)
Good to see some fellow Oregonians helping out on this too!

[Rick Arnold]

Well, alot of the old promotions have been reborn in recent years...

Georgia Championship recently reopened, runned by long-time wrestler, Jerry Oates. Mid-South, Championship Wrestling from Florida and Central State again as well... Hell, they're all under NWA control again too. And the AWA is reopened and an NWA-sized power.

Seems like a great homage.

[Rick Arnold]

The list should be updated now... and with two days left, I should be getting to work on the actual scenario very soon.

And on that note, I should lay down some rules...

The Scenario itself will NOT be released until it's complete and we feel it's ready to be released. Any replies to this post, PMs or IMs asking us for a "demo" will not be acknowledged, or depending on my current mood... yelled at.

And Oyaji, if you see this, PM me or something here so we can get in touch soon.

We're also looking for anyone that considers themselves "experts" on Mexican Wrestling of the early '80s as well as British.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Can I have a demo? ;)

Seriously, good luck with this. Should be fun for those of us interested in the time frame.

[huddyworld]

I just have one to add being that Ric Flair dominated it in the 70's and 80's and was a place where Flair holds close.

Norfolk, VA - Norfolk Scope
It was built in 1971 and seats 12,600

[Oyaji]

Hey hey,
A few months ago, I collected info on early 80s All Japan and New Japan tour stops. I came up with a solid list, but I went an extra step and added in other venues not used for wrestling but would be eventually. I made sure each prefecture had at least one venue... By looking at the list of American venues, you'll probably not wanna include all of them, especially the venues of similar sizes in less frequented areas... It's sorted by island (Honshu, Kyushu, Shikoku & Hokkaido) and then by prefecture.

At the time, I included the Japanese text so when searching Japanese sites it was easier for myself... I'm not sure how many people have the Japanese text installed but I don't think it'll hurt anybody.

Obviously, the more frequented areas like Tokyo have more venues... I made sure the buildings were in existance by 1983 (give or take a year) and were still open.

I hope you guys find them to be of use. Here we are:


HOKKAIDO (北海道)

HOKKAIDO – Hokkaido Kitami Sports Center (北海道立北見体育センター) – 8,500
HOKKAIDO – Sapporo Island Sports Center (札幌中島スポーツセンター) – 6,500
HOKKAIDO – Sapporo Nakajima Sports Center (札幌中島体育センター) – 4,700
HOKKAIDO – Hakodate Citizen Gymnasium (函館市民体育館) – 4,200
HOKKAIDO – Muroran Citizen Gymnasium (室蘭市民体育館) – 2,500
HOKKAIDO – Asahikawa City Sogo Gymnasium (旭川市総合体育館) – 2,100
HOKKAIDO – Obihiro City Sogo Gymnasium (帯広市総合体育館) – 2,000
HOKKAIDO – Sarabetsu Old Village Hall (更別村ふるさと館) – 580


HONSHU (沖縄)

TOHOKU (東北)
AKITA – Akita Municipal Gymnasium (秋田市立体育館) – 2,500
AOMORI – Aomori Prefectural Gymnasium (青森県営体育館) – 2,500
AOMORI – Aomori Citizen Gymnasium (青森市民体育館) – 2,000
FUKUSHIMA – Aizu Gymnasium (会津体育館) – 1,850
IWATE – Iwate Prefectural Gymnasium (岩手県営体育館) – 3,000
MIYAGI – Miyagi Prefectural Sports Center (宮城県スポーツセンター) – 3,500
MIYAGI – Miyagi Budokan (宮崎県武道館) – 2,500
MIYAGI – North Memorial Gymnasium (北部記念体育館) – 1,300
YAMAGATA – Yamagata Prefectural Gymnasium (山形県体育館) – 2,300

KANTO (関東)
CHIBA – Matsudo Undoukuen Gymnasium (松戸市運動公園体育館) – 2,700
CHIBA – Chiba Park Gymnasium (千葉公園体育館) – 2,800
CHIBA – Kuragata Sports Hall (倉形スポーツ会館) – 1,500
GUNMA – Takasaki Central Gymnasium (高崎市中央体育館) – 2,000
IBARAKI - Koga Municipal Gymnasium (古河市立体育館) – 2,800
KANAGAWA – Yokohama Bunka Gymnasium (横浜文化体育館) – 8,000
KANAGAWA – Minamiashigara City Sogo Gymnasium (南足柄市総合体育館) – 4,500
KANAGAWA – Sagamihara Municipal Gymnasium (相模原市立総合体育館) – 3,800
KANAGAWA – Kawasaki City Gymnasium (川崎市体育館) – 3,700
KANAGAWA – Ayase City Gymnasium (綾瀬市体育館) – 3,200
KANAGAWA – Kanagawa Citizen Hall (神奈川県民ホール) – 2,500
SAITAMA – Seibu Dome (西武ドーム) – 35,000
SAITAMA – Yoshikawa City Gymnasium (吉川町総合体育館) – 3,000
SAITAMA – Omiya Skate Center (大宮スケートセンター) – 2,500
SAITAMA – Kumagawa Citizen Gymnasium (熊谷市民体育館) – 2,000
SAITAMA – Asaka Municipal Gymnasium (朝霞市立総合体育館) – 1,500
TOCHIGI – Tochigi Prefectural Gymnasium (栃木県体育館) – 2,200
TOKYO – National Stadium (国立競技場) – 100,000
TOKYO – Jingu Stadium (神宮球場) – 48,700
TOKYO – Nichidai Auditorium (両国日大講堂) – 25,000
TOKYO - Nippon Budokan (日本武道館) – 16,500
TOKYO – Kuramae National Sport Hall (蔵前国技館) – 15,000
TOKYO – Ota District Gymnasium (大田区体育館) – 3,500
TOKYO – NHK Hall (NHK ホール) – 4,000
TOKYO – Shinagawa Sports Land (品川スポーツランド) – 4,000
TOKYO – Garden Coliseum (田園コロシアム) – 3,500
TOKYO – Higashimurayama Citizen Sports Center (東村山市民スポーツセンター) – 2,800
TOKYO - Tokyo Korakuen Hall (後楽園ホール) – 1,800
TOKYO – Fussa Citizen Gymnasium (福生市民体育館) – 2,000
TOKYO – Tokyo Marine (東京マリン) – 500

CHUBU (中部)
AICHI – Aichi Prefectural Gymnasium (愛知県体育館) – 9,500
AICHI – Kariya City Gymnasium (刈谷市体育館) – 2,800
AICHI – Konan Citizen Gymnasium (江南市民体育館) - 2,200
AICHI – Gamagori Citizen Gymnasium (蒲郡市民体育館) – 1,300
AICHI – Okazaki City Gymnasium (岡崎市体育館) – 700
FUKUI – Fukui City Gymnasium (福井市体育館) – 2,800
FUKUI – Fukui City Sogo Gymnasium (鯖江市総合体育館) – 1,500
GIFU – Gifu Industrial Hall (岐阜産業会館) – 3,500
GIFU – Ogaki City Sports Center (大垣市スポーツセンター) – 2,000
ISHIKAWA – Ishikawa Industrial Exhibition Hall (石川県産業展示館) – 3,000
NAGANO – Nagano Exercise Park Gymnasium (長野運動公園総合体育館) – 3,500
NAGANO – Ueda Citizen Gymnasium (上田市民体育館) – 250
NIIGATA – Niigata City Gymnasium (新潟市体育館) – 3,000
NIIGATA – Joetsu City Regional Plaza Indoor Stadium – 2,800
SHIZUOKA – Numazu City Gymnasium (沼津市体育館) – 2,600
SHIZUOKA – Iwata City Gymnasium (磐田市体育館) – 2,000
SHIZUOKA – Fukuroi Citizen Gymnasium (袋井市民体育館) – 1,500
SHIZUOKA – Tenryu Sogo Gymnasium (天竜市総合体育館) – 700
TOYAMA – Toyama City Gymnasium (富山市体育館) – 5,000
YAMANASHI – Kofu Touson Memorial Hall (甲府市藤村記念館) – 1,000

KANSAI (関西)
HYOGO – Kobe World Hall (神戸ワールド記念ホール) – 8,000
HYOGO – Amagasaki City Gymnasium (尼崎市体育館) – 6,500
HYOGO – Yashiro Town Gymnasium (社町立体育館) – 800
KYOTO – Kyoto Prefectural Gymnasium (京都府立体育館) – 8,000
KYOTO – Kyoto City Gymnasium (京都市体育館) – 6,000
KYOTO – Sonobe Town Gymnasium (園部町体育館) – 700
MIE – Owase City Sports Hall (尾鷲市体育文化会館) – 1,000
NARA – Haibara Town Gymnasium (榛原町総合体育館) – 1,500
NARA – Nara Medical School Gymnasium (奈良医大体育館) - 500
OSAKA – Osaka Castle Hall (大阪城ホール) – 20,000
OSAKA – Osaka International Convention Center (大阪府立体育会館) – 6,500
OSAKA – Sakai Ohama Sumo Place (堺市大浜相撲場) - 800
SHIGA – Shiga Prefectural Gymnasium (滋賀県立体育館) – 3,000
SHIGA – Otsu Park (大津パルコ) – 500
WAKAYAMA – Kushimoto Town Gymnasium (串本町立体育館) – 650

CHUGOKU (中国)
HIROSHIMA – Hiroshima Prefectural Gymnasium (広島県立体育館) – 3,200
HIROSHIMA – Fukuyama City Gymnasium (福山市体育館) – 2,700
OKAYAMA – Okayama Budokan (岡山武道館) – 5,600
OKAYAMA – Inohara Exercise Park Gymnasium (井原市運動公園体育館) – 1,700
SHIMANE – Masuda Citizen Gymnasium (益田市民体育館) – 1,800
TOTTORI – Tottori Industrial Gymnasium (鳥取産業体育館) - 3,500
YAMAGUCHI – Tokuyama City Gymnasium (徳山市体育館) – 2,000


SHIKOKU (四国)

EHIME – Matsuyamashi Ehime Citizen Hall (松山市愛媛県民館) – 3,500
EHIME – Nomura Town Gymnasium (野村町体育館) – 500
KAGAWA – Takamatsu Citizen Bunka Gymnasium (高松市民文化センター) – 2,500
KAGAWA – Takamatsu International Hotel Hall (高松国際ホテル別館大ホール) - 750
KOCHI – Kochi Citizen Gymnasium (高知県民体育館) – 2,800
TOKUSHIMA – Tokushima Municipal Gynmasium (徳島市立体育館) – 3,500
TOKUSHIMA – Anan City Sports Sogo Center (阿南市スポーツ総合センター) – 800


KYUSHU (九州)

FUKUOKA – Fukuoka Sports Center (福岡スポーツセンター) – 6,200
FUKUOKA – Fukuoka International Center (福岡国際センター) – 6,000
FUKUOKA – Kyu Den Memorial Hall (九電記念体育館) – 5,700
FUKUOKA – Yanagawa Citizen Gymnasium (柳川市民体育館) – 1,600
FUKUOKA – West Japan Hall (西日本総合展示場) – 700
KAGOSHIMA – Kagoshima Prefectural Gymnasium (鹿児島県体育館) – 2,800
KUMAMOTO – Kumamoto City Gymnasium (熊本市総合体育館) – 3,500
KUMAMOTO – Kushi Town Sports Center (合志町総合体育センター) – 1,000
MIYAZAKI – Saito Citizen Gymnasium (西都市民体育館) – 2,500
MIYAZAKI – Miyazaki North Memorial Gymnasium (北部記念体育館) – 1,300
NAGASAKI – Nagasaki International Gymnasium (長崎国際体育館) – 3,000
NAGASAKI – NCC & Studio (NCC & スタジオ) – 700
OITA – Oita Landing Town Gymnasium (荷揚町体育館) – 3,000
OITA – Sanjo Worker Sports Center (三重勤労者体育センター) – 1,000
OKINAWA – Naha Citizen Gymnasium (那覇市民体育館) – 2,500

[Game]

Barton Coliseum in Arkansas

[Rick Arnold]

Thank you Oyaji, I was going to ask you for just that. That's a MAJOR help.

[Rick Arnold]

Initial work on DOTT: TEW has begun, as I fix the Promotion and Worker DBs.

EDIT: For the purposes of DOTT, the Eastern Europe region has been dubbed Australia.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I am very excited to have the DOTT in my TEW! I enjoyed playing the mod on Wrestling Spirit, until my computer was stolen and I lost the spirit forever...

The idea of being able to have multiple data is great. I can go from present day with Rave X, to DOTT era, and to the Cornelleverse with just a few clicks!

Do your thing and I hope everything ports over smoothly.

[Checkmate]

For WWF,you definitely want to include the aformentioned Agricultural Hall in Allentown,PA (They had TV tapings there quite a bit from the 60's until the late 80's when they moved their shows to Stabler Arena in Bethlehem).This would be a Tiny venue.

You may also want to include Hamburg Field House in Hamburg,PA. -Tiny

Up until the late 80's a great majority of their TV tapings were at one of those two venues.

[noah1234]

Wow. I've been lurking on these forums ever since Adam joined GDS. Been lurking around the whole EW community since EWD 1.3, but this topic has drawn me out.

I just have to say, The Portland Sports Arena in Portland, Oregon is WAY too big. That place was a very small arena. It only held 2,000 people.

[alvarez16]

when is this database gonna be released?

[Rick Arnold]

Probably when it's finished... but that's just crazy talk, so who knows...

[Ultima]

Here are a couple more Iowa venues:

Hilton Colleseum (Big)
Veterans Memorial Auditorium (Very Big)

[shadowflame]

texas
alamodome-very big (san antonio)
sbc center- medium (san antonio)

[Rick Arnold]

That's all I need for locations now... I'm working on the location file here and trying to rework it.

[Game]

I am going to get loaded up on Cocaine and then create a TEW real world update from scratch.

[Rick Arnold]

Well... that's great to hear. Best way to do it too... or Gino would have me believe.

[noas5]

Texas:
Taylor County Cols. held 9,000
Abilene Civic Center held 4,000
Dallas: Sportatorium Small
Austin Civic Center held 2.000
Austin: Palmer auditorium held 5,000
Abilene Flea Market Small

[Game]

hey guys.. my plans to create a real world data from scatched fail... and alls i ended up with was taking my tv apart.. then the cocaine wore off and i have yet to put it back together.... :/

[D. Boon's Ghost]

A few questions for those interested in the DOTT:TEW scenario. The first two are obviously more serious than the last:

1) As far as the U.S. is concerned, would you rather have the locations broken down to individual states of the union with each state having an appropriate amount of historic venues - or leave them as they basically are in the demo, albeit broken down a tad further?

Keep in mind, in the end it will be Rick's decision. While I made final decisions on WreSpi's DOTT - Rick will be 'Da Man on this; whatever comes about on this release will be his doing. ;)
Opinions, though, are most welcomed.


2) Concerning Storylines: Would you want the old-time storylines to be written as tight as possible - or would you want them to be loosely written to allow easier modifications during gameplay?

I notice a lot of comments on each side of the fence, relating to storylines, and wasn't quite sure which way to go.


3) Someone second me here: Who want's G.L.O.W.?? :p

I understand they weren't exactly in the timeline - but I quite enjoyed them in the TEW04 1983 scenario we did. Plus, David McClain really needs a better hellhole to work than Polynesian Pro. If anyone deserves it, it's that guy. Heh.

Danke.

[XellenceOfXecution]

Great to hear that the DOTT scenario is making progress! You KNOW how big a fan I am!
As far as questions:

1) Broken down by state would be cool, so I can tell where some of the venues are if they don't say it in their name.

2) I say make the storylines as tight as possible. That way we can really relive them! (I'm gonna break Wahoo's leg!!! :D ) Players can always loosen them if they want to. Or you could add a strict version and a loose version, if you want to increase the workload! This is the feature I am most anticipating, just so you know!

3) Bring on the Gorgeous Ladies Of Wrestling! That Mountain Fuji(?) still haunts my dreams! ;) (If I totally made up that name, please forgive me. I did used to watch GLOW as a kid, but that was a looooong time ago!)

Anyway fellas, good luck with the scenario. Take your time and do it up right! I know it'll be worth the wait!

As always in awe of your talents,
XoX

[Midnightnick]

1) States
2) Tight as possible
3) You aren't alone Boonster.

Let us celebrate your attempt to bring DOTT to TEW05. *Appludes*

[Hotrod]

Appreciate the effort I agree take your time and it is ready when it is ready :)

[TeflonBilly]

1) Broken down by state would be helpful.
2) No particular preference.
3) Definitely add them! I would have turned commie for Corporal Ninotchka in a heartbeat :).

[ginogambino]

Please add


The Roman Colosseum
spectator capacity: 45,000 to 55,000

[Rick Arnold]

You know, it would help me alot if you gave the location of the venue... otherwise I can't add it. If it is in fact the Coliseum of Rome, it won't be added, being a venue of Europe. Europe is being converted to Australia.

[professorrev]

"The biggest crowd to ever gather there for a sporting event was on March 29, 1987 for WrestleMania III, when 93,173 fans attended to see Hulk Hogan take on André the Giant."

Totally forgot about that. ::chuckle::

Am I being a pedant by pointing out that the above simply isnt true?

The Maracana in Rio squeezed 200,000 odd in for football matches in the old days!

[Checkmate]

1)Broken down by state works for me.
2)Definitely tight as can be.
3)Add GLOW for sure,goofy as it was,it is an undeniable part of that era's heritage.

[Foog]

North Carolina:
Cumberland County Memorial Auditorum - Medium - 4,000+
Charlie Rose Agro Expo Center - Medium - 3,000
Westover Sports & Recreation Center - Small - 500
Lakewood High School - Small - 1,000
Ft. Bragg Fair Grounds - Medium - 8,000

[BYU 14]

1-Broken down by State would be great

2-I prefer them to be tight.

3-Could do without GLOW.....McClain always reminded me of a cheap used Car Huckster, which translates nicely into todays Infomercial Pitchmen :)

[Hotrod]

Illinois
Rosemont Horizon 12,000 ......now Allstate Arena but keep it old school
Iroquois County Fairgrounds.....2,000
Glenn Raymond School.....1,000
Watseka High School.....outdoors on middle of football field 2,500
Assembly Hall........Champaign.......12,000
Danville Civic Center...........5,000

[James Casey]

Am I being a pedant by pointing out that the above simply isnt true?

The Maracana in Rio squeezed 200,000 odd in for football matches in the old days!

I think that they just meant that the Wrestlemania crowd was the biggest gathering for a sporting event at that venue.

Big football matches could break the 100,000 attendance quite often in the first half of the 20th century, so 93,000 is - relatively - nothing.

Of course, the suggestion that 93,173 attended WM III is b******s. The WWF and Silverdome inflated the figures - there was about 80,000 there, which is still nothing to be sneezed at, mind you...

[Ransik]

I live 3 miles from the Derby Elks Lodge. :D

Holds about 350 max I believe.

[Rick Arnold]

Alright, thanks for all the input on U.S. arenas, as I call it to end to begin adding new ones. At the moment, I'm looking for Canadian and Mexican arenas that would fit the Big to Enormous sizes

[berrysi]

http://www.worldstadiums.com/
This website has many stadiums that might help.

[HitmanTerp]

I am not buying this game until this scenario is finished.

:)

[Johnny Fenoli]

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y238/JohnnyFenoli/DOTTScreenShot.jpg

[WrongWay]

This is the Mod I am waiting on to begin my longterm career.

I have a couple of questions.
1) In general Do you lose any of the game features by playing a mod?
2) How are "New" wrestlers handled?

[XellenceOfXecution]

Nice work, Johnny Fenoli! :D

[KaySeeDubya]

That looks really good aside from the choppy Sgt. Slaughter.

[Johnny Fenoli]

for some reason it looked like that after I did everything for it.... it looked fine at first...

But after 40 cuts or whatever it was, I was hoping no one would notice, lol....

[Jaded]

I'm loving the C-verse, but REALLY looking forward to this mod as well. Can't wait! (and bring on GLOW!)

[Rick Arnold]

Well, I must say, I f'n love that title screen there, Johnny. Beats the **** out of anything I could have done. Even if it's missing the great Gino Hernandez and the Brainbusters :) We were looking for someone to redesign all the backgrounds, screens and buttons of TEW05 for DOTT, to give it a pen-and-paper and older feel, if you're ever interested.

As for GLOW, it's on the fence at the moment, as I'd much rather see the Japan women's wrestling make the cut first. Hell, I'd rather see an all-midget wrestling promotion and Ted the Promoter Bear make it in before GLOW.

D Boon and I are working on it as hard as we can, it shouldn't be forever, but the real tedious stuff like editing worker stats is hitting hard.

[Komodo]

Here's some Vermont venues:

Patrick Gym - 3,228 - Burlington, VT (I think this is where my friends uncle said that this is where he used to watch some small Vermont promotion)

Also, I'm trying to find a number of seats for Memorial Auditorium in Burlington, VT (I'd say it be under small or very small though, I have no idea if they had wrestling in the 80s there though, but can't see why they couldn't.)

[Johnny Fenoli]

Well, I must say, I f'n love that title screen there, Johnny. Beats the **** out of anything I could have done. Even if it's missing the great Gino Hernandez and the Brainbusters :) We were looking for someone to redesign all the backgrounds, screens and buttons of TEW05 for DOTT, to give it a pen-and-paper and older feel, if you're ever interested.

As for GLOW, it's on the fence at the moment, as I'd much rather see the Japan women's wrestling make the cut first. Hell, I'd rather see an all-midget wrestling promotion and Ted the Promoter Bear make it in before GLOW.

D Boon and I are working on it as hard as we can, it shouldn't be forever, but the real tedious stuff like editing worker stats is hitting hard.



Yeah I looked for a gino hernandez pic... being from dallas, I really wanted one, couldnt find one... Plus like I said before I just got tired of doing it... lol That's alot of searching and cutting. I'd be glad to create a full screen mod for the DOTT, like i've done for TNA and WWE. This is my favorite data for Spirit, and I hope it's even better for TEW.

[ashork]

Here is a link to several decent Gino Pictures

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/gallery/ginohernandez.html

[Rick Arnold]

After seeing the kids beg and scream for RaveX here, I'm also laying down the rule of "Ask me for a demo or release date, and receive a Harley Race Loaded Headbutt of DOOM for your troubles."

Or in other words, don't ask... cause you won't get it. And you'll more then likely receive a reply that even Weden couldn't dream up.

[D16NJD16]

Don't forget about Shea Stadium. And don't forget the wrestler stats are more importent then arena's.

[scorpion]

If the kids can't beg, can us old-timers do it? j/k

How are pictures coming? I am willing to help gather them and coincide them with the database if you need any help.

[Weden]

And you'll more then likely receive a reply that even Weden couldn't dream up.

Glad to know I'm a cult personality :p

[Rick Arnold]

How are pictures coming? I am willing to help gather them and coincide them with the database if you need any help.

We're reusing the old ones from TEW04 and WreSpi.

[Midnightnick]

Rick, because I want the Harley Headbutt of Doom. When's it coming out?

[Rick Arnold]

I can assure you, you DON'T want the Harley Race Loaded Headbutt of DOOM... It's said to have killed fifty-seven enhancement talent and trained Maven's Dropkick.

[SirFozzie]

Um Rick, Saddam Hussein called. He wants to know when it's coming out.

(You don't know what you started here... <EVIL GRIN>)

[Rick Arnold]

It was the Harley Race Loaded Headbutt of DOOM that found Saddam in his hole and headbutted him in surrendering.

It also knocked Lanny Poffo straight, but a week later, knocked him back normal.

It's so efficient, it could end terrorism, war and any other problems in one swift motion, but the government won't allow it.




It also broke the levees in New Orleans... but the government covered that up.

So basically, the Harley Race Loaded Headbutt of DOOM is bad news. You don't want to mess with it.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Finished a screen mod for the DOTT, located HERE! (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=42841&postcount=1)

[Briskout]

Keaney Gymnasium - South Kingston, Rhode Island
3,885 capacity including standing room

[damiende]

Im looking forward to this scenario.


Daniel

[bruins72]

I'm waiting for this mod to come out before I buy the new TEW. I just can't get into the Cornellverse data. I'll probably try the RaveX data too but DOTT will be the main data I use.

[D16NJD16]

I just can't get into the Cornellverse data.

"you must not have an imagination"

[larry_boy_44]

this isn't out yet is it?

[Genadi]

"you must not have an imagination"

Either that our he just doesn't enjoy playing in a fake world! :D

I know I don't and I have a huge imagination, Hell I'm a writer ! :D

DOTT and Ravex all the way

[D. Boon's Ghost]

this isn't out yet is it?

Not yet, Larry - but it's chugging along at a decent clip.

I honestly felt that WreSpi: DOTT was one of the best things I've been a part of, as far as this gaming stuff goes. I have to say, though, that TEW05: DOTT might very well surpass it. And that's saying a lot, considering my general dislike for the insider route that TEW takes. While I prefer the kayfabe approach that WreSpi adhered to, there's just something magical about running McMahon straight into the ground by using every dirty trick he mastered against him. :)

Keep the faith. We'll do our best to replicate whatever amount of satisfaction that DOTT provided to people. Hopefully, we'll succeed.

Peace and Respect.

[larry_boy_44]

Not yet, Larry - but it's chugging along at a decent clip.

I honestly felt that WreSpi: DOTT was one of the best things I've been a part of, as far as this gaming stuff goes. I have to say, though, that TEW05: DOTT might very well surpass it. And that's saying a lot, considering my general dislike for the insider route that TEW takes. While I prefer the kayfabe approach that WreSpi adhered to, there's just something magical about running McMahon straight into the ground by using every dirty trick he mastered against him. :)

Keep the faith. We'll do our best to replicate whatever amount of satisfaction that DOTT provided to people. Hopefully, we'll succeed.

Peace and Respect.

oh, I totally understand... since I didn't have the game until earlier today I didn't actually read all that close, and kinda thought it was out (the underlined text in post one had me kinda excited)...

I'm just making sure I didn't miss anything... }=o)

keep up the GREAT work, this is BY FAR the best game world for this game that there is... nothing else even comes close... :thumbsup:

[Mind Games 96]

For Virginia

Richmond Coliseum
Med. Size

Norfolk Scope
Med. Size

Viva La NWA, Viza JCP!

[D16NJD16]

Mind Games is here.

[redshadow100]

when will this be out?, cause it looks pretty close

[Rick Arnold]

when will this be out?, cause it looks pretty close

When it's done.

[scorpion]

When it's done.

Heeey

We were promised a Harley race Loaded headbutt of DOOM

[Rick Arnold]

The Harley Race Loaded Headbutt of DOOM is on backorder right now, due to the high demand for it in the Falklands.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Any updates on the progress Rick?

[WrongWay]

Bump?

[gripperm]

The Farm Show Buliding in Harrisburg, Pa
The Zembo Mosque in Altoona, Pa
Hershey Arena (The Giant Center) Hershay, Pa

[D. Boon's Ghost]

With Rick at the wayside, I've shouldered the load on a proper conversion of the scenario data. For those that don't know me, my name is Eric Baker.

Here's what I've got done, for those interested:


Adapted from:
Wrestling Spirit: Death of the Territories ’84 v1.75 (by: Eric Baker and Rick Arnold)
TEW04: 1983 v1.3 (by: Eric Baker, Damiende, and Ryan Russell)


Starting Date - January, 1983


Promotions: All feds marked with * are completed and scaled to a regional era; workers, starting money, popularity, blah, blah...

U.S.: Mid-Atlantic Championship Wrestling* (Regional/Traditional/Mid-Atlantic), World Wrestling Federation* (Regional/Traditional/Tri State), American Wrestling Association* (Regional/Traditional/Mid West), Georgia Championship Wrestling* (Regional/Traditional/South East), World Class Championship* Wrestling (Regional/Traditional/Mid South), Mid-South Wrestling* (Regional/Traditional/Mid South), Championship Wrestling from Florida* (Regional/Sports Entertainment/South East), Central States* (Regional/Traditional/Mid West), World Wrestling Council (Regional/Hardcore/Puerto Rico), Championship Wrestling Association* (Small/Sports Entertainment/South East), Pacific Northwest* (Small/Cutting Edge/North West), Southwest Championship Wrestling* (Small/Hardcore/Mid South), Southeastern Championship Wrestling (Small/Traditional/South East), Gorgeous Ladies of Wrestling* (Small/Women’s Entertainment/South West), Polynesian Pro Wrestling (Local/Garbage/South West)

Canada: Maple Leaf Promotions* (Regional/Traditional/Ontario), Calgary Stampede (Regional/Hybrid/British Columbia), International Wrestling Montreal* (Regional/Traditional/Quebec), Atlantic Grand Prix Wrestling* (Regional/Traditional: Seasonal/The Maritimes), All-Star Wrestling* (Local/Sports Entertainment/The Prairies)

Mexico: Consejo Mundial de Lucha Libre (Regional/Lucha Traditional/Northern Mexico), Universal Wrestling Association (Small/Lucha Entertainment/West Central Mexico)

U.K.: Joint Promotions (Regional/Traditional/South U.K.), All Star Wrestling* (Small/Hybrid/Midlands)

Japan: Awaiting Ryan Russell’s treatment on the area.

----------------

* About a third of the way finished with the free agent workers.
* All of the locations/arenas previously mentioned in this thread have been added into the Locations File, as well as about 40 Mexican spots.
* I've recycled my TEW04:1983 system of TV Networks; cable television is still an infant, though it will greatly effect those able to get on them.
* The Events/TV Shows are recycled from my work on WreSpi: DOTT, with a couple of changes - PPW is now off the air, etc.
* 40 Other TV Shows - ranging from The A Team to WKRP in Cincinnati to Bobby Davro on the Box.
* Over 200 Tag Teams leveled.
* A Delicate web of promotional pacts just waiting for the rebirth of the anti-chri... er, Vince McMahon to take over the world from stupified owners.
* Match File scaled to the time period.
* 300 Gimmicks - the default ones scaled (minus a few, heh), the TEW04: 1983 ones I did, and a bunch I added to fit the worker conversions

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Storylines:

Completed: (With some 60-odd DOTT specific angles to help better immerse the player)

* The Grumpy Mentor (Mr. Wrestling II and Magnum T.A.)
* The Turning of the Superfly, Parts One and Two
- First Part centers on the Backlund series and Buddy Rogers revealing Lou Albano's treachery
- Second Part centers on Albano's Revenge in the form of Don Muraco. Storyline ends with the famous Superfly Leap off the cage. ;)
* Superstar's Quest for the Gold (Masked Superstar breaks Eddie Gilbert's neck to inspire a 3 match series with Backlund)
* Hot Rod and The Superfly (Piper's Pit Coconut attack leads to a short and violent feud, complete with silent bodyguards and little cousins out for revenge)
* Rock and Wrestling (Open the floodgates, Mertle, it's Sports Entertainment; Piper, Captain Lou, Cyndi Lauper, Hogan, Mr. T, 'Ace' Orton, Mr. Wonderful, and a delightful midget getting a new haircut!
* Heel saves unknown Brother from attack (Re: Buzz Sawyer saving Brett Wayne from Jake Roberts and Paul Ellering, then reveals the relationship between the two.)
* Dynamic Duo Split Up (Tully Blanchard turns on Gino Hernandez)
* Blood is Thicker Than Water (Ole Anderson turns on Thunderbolt Patterson)
* The Devil and the American Dream, Parts One and Two (so far - heh)
- Centers on Kevin Sullivan falling for Satan and the hijinks that ensue between he and Dusty Rhodes.

Incomplete:

* The Birth of the Four Horsemen
* I'm From Hollywood (Andy Kaufman v. Jerry Lawler)
* Badstreet Comes to Texas (Freebirds v. Von Erich war)
* Mad Dog and Wildfire (the Buzz Sawyer v. Tommy Rich war - at least the last 10 months of it)

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There we have it. I'm currently running a test run of the WWF with the data at hand and it's a blast, I must say. I'm aiming to make a long lasting game that is challenging for the player that wants to play by the rules of the day; i.e., working within the backroom political pacts of the day - yet also fun for the cut-throat raider. So far, at least, it seems to be working.

Once the remaining workers are completed, another battery of tests will be run to pick out the more glaring problems. After that, I'll let this pup out to those who want it.

Thanks for the interest.

[SirFozzie]

Coolness. This is something I'm really looking forward to.. how will the game handle the changing of a more Pure early 80's era to the Sports Entertainment era of WWF? That's going to be interesting

Plus it's too bad that in my limited workings with the editor, I couldn't figure out how to set the business.. with the massive influx of fans Rock n Wrestling brings in..

[XellenceOfXecution]

Sounds fantastic so far, Eric! :D
Can't wait to try out some of those storylines and glad to see you decided to go with GLOW! ;)
I'm kind of busy working on my latest paper, so take your time! :p

[JohnnyInsurance]

Looking forward to trying this out. Cant wait for the story lines! Any idea when this will be finished? Possibly could you put out the story lines early? Thank you for all your efforts.

[SirFozzie]

as the Harley Race Loaded Headbutt of DOOM claimed another DotT creator? :9

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Heh - nope. It's all in how fast you can run away.

I would rather keep chugging than bore you guys with vanity declarations on the progress of the scenario. But now that you mention it...

I'd rather not release the angles/storylines until the entire scenario is finished, JohnnyI. I feel that the era specific angles, in particular, won't make too much sense in any of the modern data already out.
I've fleshed out the Mid-South promotion, though, as far as providing them with a good batch of starting stories; The Grumpy Mentor - Parts One and Two, The Turning of Hacksaw (Butch Reed turns good), and The Midnight Express v. Rock & Roll Express (which features a side feud between Jim Cornette and Bill Watts).


Ryan Russell, who posts as Oyaji in these forums, has once again did a magnificent job on the Japanese data. I'm darned impressed with his work, and I'm confident those who are fans of the Japanese scene will be blown away.

That leaves about 20 Free Agents to be completed, as well as the CMLL, World Wrestling Council, and Joint (UK) rosters needing finished. After that, I'd like to run a couple of more tests. Ryan's current testing has been resulting in some fab results, but I'd like to squash whatever oddities that remain.

Give or take, I would envision that it shouldn't take longer than a week. The foundation is solid - now it just needs some window dressings.

Thanks for the interest.

[TsuMirren]

Looking forward to this one. It'll make a really interesting dynasty, probably for a load of people...wonder who can make the best job of not using hindsight. hehe

[BYU 14]

Heh - nope. It's all in how fast you can run away.

I would rather keep chugging than bore you guys with vanity declarations on the progress of the scenario. But now that you mention it...

I'd rather not release the angles/storylines until the entire scenario is finished, JohnnyI. I feel that the era specific angles, in particular, won't make too much sense in any of the modern data already out.
I've fleshed out the Mid-South promotion, though, as far as providing them with a good batch of starting stories; The Grumpy Mentor - Parts One and Two, The Turning of Hacksaw (Butch Reed turns good), and The Midnight Express v. Rock & Roll Express (which features a side feud between Jim Cornette and Bill Watts).


Ryan Russell, who posts as Oyaji in these forums, has once again did a magnificent job on the Japanese data. I'm darned impressed with his work, and I'm confident those who are fans of the Japanese scene will be blown away.

That leaves about 20 Free Agents to be completed, as well as the CMLL, World Wrestling Council, and Joint (UK) rosters needing finished. After that, I'd like to run a couple of more tests. Ryan's current testing has been resulting in some fab results, but I'd like to squash whatever oddities that remain.

Give or take, I would envision that it shouldn't take longer than a week. The foundation is solid - now it just needs some window dressings.

Thanks for the interest.

Can't wait Eric, this scenario is the main reason I bought the game, thanks for all your work.

[BossHoss]

Ditto that, I just bought the game today and the only reason is DOTT which is amazing. Thanks for your work.

[strange-rust]

If this update is made by the same guys who made the 1983 scenario for TEW 04...my congrats to them. You guys are incredible. All the time and effort put into a scenario that is over 20 years ago! I still play the TEW 04 1983 scenario today! :)

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thanks a lot for the kind words.

While I can't take full credit for the TEW04: 1983 scenario past a certain point (v1.3), it was a fun project. WreSpi: DOTT was born of that last TEW04 data I worked on, which in turn has led to the upcoming TEW05: DOTT.

Different animals for different games, but the underlying sentiment was there: The Territorial era of Professional Wrestling is where it's at. :)
If I could allow someone else to reexperience the entertaining characters and situations of the time - even if through my nostalgia-misted eyes, then it was worth every bit of effort that went into it.

Finishing touches are being put on the data, by the way. The gameworld is finished and runs well - the paint is drying on the snazzy new graphics - and I'm enjoying the hell out of playing a CWF game.
:)

Take care and thanks again.

[jonlawson]

Ok, I thought I was showing my age :) I miss those days myself actually....Pre-Vince K days :P

[Arrows]

Just so you know, the Greensboro Coliseum (Greensboro, North Carolina), was rather small back then. It has, since then, been built twice that I can remember to improve the size of it.

....yea....I was born in the Greensboro Coliseum during a cage match...sue me.

The place was tiny back in the day. (83)

[scorpion]

- and I'm enjoying the hell out of playing a CWF game.
:)
Hey! Its not nice to tease!
:p

[That Crazy Guy]

D. Boon.. I can't wait for this.
I'm ready to write some sort of diary about an upstarting territorial promotion that stars upcoming supa'stars.

Can't wait. I'm dieing for it.


Thanks to the "DOTT Team" for all of your hard work.
Dwight.

[JayR666]

Sounds really good, I cant wait.

[BossHoss]

RELEASE RELEASE RELEASE RELEASE!!!!

*blows hard to dry paint*

RELEASE RELEASE RELEASE RELEASE!!!!

:)

I can't wait.

[TCP1]

I'm looking forward to it massively.

Are you guys using my pics?

[Showtime4Lajf]

Really, really looking forward to this, like everybody else. I can't wait to get a World Class game going, especially after getting a Best of World Class tape a few weeks ago. Man, that was good stuff...
Thanks a lot, for all your hard work on this, guys.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Thank, guys - keep an eye out today or tomorrow; I'd like to get this initial release out within the next day.

... Are you guys using my pics?

No, TCP1. Most of the pictures I've put together came from either the TEW04: 1983 or WreSpi: DOTT scenarios. As both of those projects were led by myself, I've no qualms in stealing from them. :)

Showtime4Lajf, as World Class was always one of my favorites, I made sure to work them over pretty well. The starting date is a month after Terry Gordy slams that cage door on Kerry, thereby igniting the massive war between the Freebirds and Von Erichs. As some people remember, Fritz always ran a short crew - so the starting roster is somewhat thin. The good thing about that, though: World Class is at war with Joe Blanchard's Southwest Championship - so Gino Hernandez is ripe for the taking. :)

Thanks.

[dbeanerz]

I've come back and checked this probably six times since he told me to 'keep an eye' out for release soon - safe to say the community can't wait for this one!

[eskimo38]

No joke. It keeps drawing me away from my work to check. It's hard to be patient when you keep seeing Piper crack a cocoanut over Snuka's head in your mind over and over...