Enemies of the Noble: The Dark Star Invasion (GAME THREAD)

[i effin rule]

These are the rules. Many mods have contributed to these rules. Many thanks to all of you.

Please read these rules. If you are unsure about something, PM Arrows with questions.

THE OFFICIAL RULES (Read or Die!)

HOW TO PLAY:

ROLES: Every player has been given a role, each with it’s own abilities (or lack thereof). Your role PM will explain what it does if you are meant to know. You do not need to reveal your role to other players nor will we do so in the in-game write ups. Of course, you can choose to reveal information about your role if you wish to if you feel it would help you to reach your win condition. Jut remember that any information you reveal can also be used against you, so claiming is entirely at your own risk. If you want to use your ability, PM the mods of the game (i effin rule). Do NOT post it in the thread unless your role PM states otherwise.

PHASES: The game is split into two phases, Day and Night. The game begins during the day phase with all players (Town and Mafia alike) posting in the thread deciding who to lynch. Lynching is the town’s main way of eliminating mafia, so be sure to examine everything that your fellow players say in order to find inconsistencies, lies, dodgy voting patterns and anything else that could incriminate people. There may also be clues in the end of phase write ups, but relying on those is not advised as they may be veiled, misleading or otherwise unreliable. Day phases last approximately 48 hours or until a consensus is reached on who to lynch. Night phases last approximately 24 hours but may end earlier if all night activities are completed. If you have an optional ability and choose not to use it, please inform the mods via PM so that they know not to wait on your ability.

VOTING: All voting and game related discussion is to occur within the game thread. Town players may discuss who they think are Mafia, and Mafia members should be trying to avoid being lynched by bluffing and blending in and generally trying to not get lynched. To vote on anyone, post VOTE: Username (MUST BE IN BOLD!). You can also change your vote by typing CHANGE VOTE: Username (AGAIN IN BOLD!). You can also change your vote to nobody by typing CHANGE VOTE: No Vote (STILL IN BOLD!). Your last option is to vote for a no lynch, meaning that you actively choose to not lynch anyone. To do so simply type VOTE: No lynch (BOLDED OBVIOUSLY!). All votes post in the thread for your vote to count and it must be in bold. If you vote within a quote then your vote won’t be counted, so if you mess up voting and quote it to edit it then it will not count.

DAY PHASES: A Day Phase is generally over whenever a person obtains votes from more than 50% of the total number of players remaining, at which point they are lynched. It can also end if the time expires before a lynch is reached, at which point a No Lynch will be declared. There are abilities out there that can change votes such as vote manipulators, multi-voters and no-voters so vote counts may not always be as they seem. When a person dies their role title will be revealed for all to see in the end of day write up.

NIGHT PHASES: Night Phases begin after a day phase has ended. During this time most abilities will be sent in to the mods (i effin rule), with the Mafia usually sending in their kills while the town send in names of people they want to use their abilities on, such as investigate or protect. The night phase will end once all abilities have been sent in or when the time limit expires, at which point the mods will do a write up of the night’s activities. The write up will reveal what players have been killed and some other events that happen depending on what the mods consider important enough to be in the write ups. Whenever possible, try to get PMs into the mods as soon as possible after the start of the night phase in order to keep the game moving along at a quick pace.

Once night has ended, a new day begins and the cycle repeats itself until win conditions have been reached. The Town generally wins when there are no threats left to them, the Mafia generally win when their numbers are equal to or greater than the remaining non-Mafia players. Remember, this is a team effort so if you think sacrificing someone may help your cause then go ahead.


GENERAL MAFIA GAME RULES:

No players are allowed to edit their posts EVER!. Whether it be to correct a typo or to remove some accidentally incriminating things someone has said, no editing of posts is allowed. While mods may choose to be lenient, the standard penalty for anyone caught editing a post is a mod kill.

All players should play to their role/alignment and play to win. While there are likely to be times that you have to do things against your best interest, any players who deliberately go against their win conditions risk being banned from future games for failing to play to their role and going against the spirit of the game.

Players are only allowed to post their role title from their role PM, that is the bit that says you are “Dayordra Aligned Protector” or something similar. You can paraphrase things that your PM says but you are not allowed to directly quote anything else other than the role title from your PM, which is also the only thing players will see when you are dead. Related to this, players are not allowed to ask each other about the specific wording of any part of their roles. In other words, it is okay to ask another player if they are sure that their role means "X", it is not okay to ask another player if their role reads as "X". If the mods catch you posting anything that closely resembles what your role PM says then it will be grounds for a mod kill. You have been warned!

In game “role bets” such as “I will never play again if…” is strictly prohibited. If you do this then you will at minimum be replaced as soon as possible, with a maximum penalty of a mod kill. It may also lead to a ban from future games, mods don’t want players who will bet on things outside their games in order to try and prove something in a game so just don’t do it.

Though we can’t force you to post, all mods love to see active participants in their games. We advise everyone to check in at least once a day, as games can move pretty fast and it can be easy to fall behind if you are not on regularly.

Though this may also be a mafia game, try not to post whore in the thread. Where possible try to keep things relevant to the game that is being played and try not to let arguments get out of hand. This game stirs up some passionate arguments and we understand that this will happen, but if anything turns into a personal attack then it ruins the fun for everyone. Be considerate. :)

Unless your role PM specifically states otherwise, no players are allowed to talk about their role, game plan, alignment, win condition or basically anything game related outside of the game thread. While mods can’t easily enforce this rule, any communication about the game outside of the game thread goes against the spirit of mafia games and spoils the game. Anyone caught doing this WILL be mod-killed. This is your only warning!

Once you are dead, you stay dead. You will not be allowed to participate in the game thread or continue to talk to people outside the thread that you could talk to before. So if you are a Mafia player who dies, you are NOT allowed to continue talking about the game to your Mafia team mates. No dead players will receive any extra information from the mods (i effin rule) when they die either. If you are dead, try not to post anything in the game thread as anything you say could be an unnecessary distraction to those still playing, though a quick post going “Oooooooo I’m a ghost!!” is generally okay, no-one is allowed to leave cryptic messages from the dead, notes on their corpses or anything like that. If you are dead, your contribution to the game is over.

Talking to other dead players is also frowned upon, as many games have been known to feature a revive type ability or need to have players replaced. Talking to other players outside the game means that these abilities can’t be used properly and that you can’t be used as a replacement, which can still have an impact on the game in play. So don’t do it!

When it comes to mafia games, nothing is ever as it seems. There can be things about your role that you don’t know about, other people can bluff about their abilities, people can lie, events can happen and write ups can be read in many different ways. If you have any questions about what is happening then you can get in contact with the mods (i effin rule) via PM, and if we can clarify anything for you then we will do what we can. But there are many reasons why we might not be able to, and in any such eventuality you will get a post simply stating the following -> :cool:

Example town role:

You are Townie McTownerson, Dayordra Aligned Example Of The Format.

Gender: You have a gender!

Bio: You are an example.

Ability: Each game, you must show the players what a town role looks like.

Win Condition: You win when all threats to Dayordra have been eliminated.

[i effin rule]

Players (6)

01. Astil
02. Destiny
04. eayragt
05. moon_lit_tears
20. Mr T Jobs to Me
22. Jaded


Reserves (2)

01. SmartBomb
02. ShadoweFlames


Graveyard (16)

00: i effin rule - Nubus Nerrak, Dayordra Aligned Well Respected Businessman
13. Tha Black Phenom - Shihuff Lightayen, Dayordra Algined Voyeur
07. mjdgoldeneye - Lesaniss, Dark Star Aligned Succubus
14. Arrows - Mien Helus, Dayordra Aligned Psychic
12. TheKenwyne - Hezobon, Dark Star Aligned Concubine
06. Crychon - Daedalus, Noble Aligned Master of Confusion
03. BHK1978 - Selumarael, Dark Star Aligned Dreamweaver
15. bak42 - Rhykin Sarross, Dayordra Aligned Conspiracy Theorist
16. machinesxe - Gmozk, Gmozk Aligned Benevolance
19. gonvick - Erebus, Noble Aligned Social Experiment
09. Deadceleb - Keless Nelvold, Dayordra Aligned Drugged Out Pacifist
10. djthefunkchris - Gmozk, Gmozk Aligned Malevolance
08. Jman2k3 - Cormi Tarkvold, Dayordra Aligned Dedicated Bodyguard
17. BlueStar - XK-47, Dayordra Aligned Medic Droid
21. Antithesis - Shinah Ocken, Dayordra Aligned Proxy
11. Wallbanger - Lord Nahsorrazon, Dark Star Aligned Leader
18. Ranson - Chryses, Noble Aligned Light Bearer


Events

N0 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1765491#post1765491): Opening Write Up
D1 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1765949#post1765949): No Lynch
N1 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1766158#post1766158): Death of Tha Black Phenom
D2 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1766768#post1766768): Lynch of mjdgoldeneye
N2 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1767010#post1767010): Death of Arrows
D3 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1767549#post1767549): Lynch of TheKenwyne
N3 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1767761#post1767761): Death of Crychon & BHK1978
D4 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1768354#post1768354): Lynch of bak42
N4 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1768547#post1768547): Death of machinesxe & gonvick
XX (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1768942#post1768942): DeadCeleb modkilled
D5 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1769179#post1769179): Lynch of djthefunkchris
N5 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1769477#post1769477): Death of Jman2k3
D6 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1770067#post1770067): Lynch of BlueStar
N6 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1770192#post1770192): Death of Antithesis
D7 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1770582#post1770582): Lynch of Wallbanger
D8 (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1770787#post1770787): Death of Ranson

[i effin rule]

D0

In the years following The Great Rebellion, Dayordra had grown extremely powerful. With the power came peace across the land as the new government was installed and balance was restored.

Over the next 300 years many species, pirates, and armies tried to take over the planet, but none could stand to the power of the Noble. Now that fully grown adults could be altered, the Noble ranks grew to spectacular numbers, allowing them to fend off any and all foes. What they hadn’t counted on was the most feared group in the 5 galaxies.

For just over a century The Dark Star had gone from planet to planet, galaxy to galaxy, destroying everything in their wake. The destruction they leave behind has no apparent meaning, leaving those few who survive looking for answers.

When the large ship appeared over Dayordra proper, no one knew what to expect. They all stood in awe of the vessel until it began opening fire on all of those below. Bodies disintegrated on impact and buildings were turned to rubble within moments. The behemoth ship destroyed enough to create a landing zone for itself.

As the ship settles on the grown below a group of Noble arrive to the scene to confront their attackers. As they approach the ship, the doors open and the members of The Dark Star emerge from inside. All members come out with a vengeance, destroying anyone still moving around them.

The Noble and The Dark Star stare at each other across a destroyed Dayordra, preparing for the most difficult battle either has ever faced.


00: i effin rule is dead. He was Nubus Nerrak, Dayordra Aligned Well Respected Businessman.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

[moon_lit_tears]

Okay lets get this party started.

BHK I want to know why you did it?

[Crychon]

Okay lets get this party started.

BHK I want to know why you did it?

He did it... for The Rock!

[Ranson]

Checking in...and checking out because it's freaking late.

[BHK1978]

Checking in...and checking out because it's freaking late.

Why does that make me think of Timothy Leary?

@MLT: You should have great shame on you right now for stealing my day one Destiny question.:mad:

[Wallbanger]

In an odd kind of way, that writeup reminded me of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.

Just to set expectations, I'm on the road and will probably only be on in the evenings. I fly back home on Friday. Weekend is pretty busy as well. Things should pick up for me next week, though.

[moon_lit_tears]

Why does that make me think of Timothy Leary?

@MLT: You should have great shame on you right now for stealing my day one Destiny question.:mad:

I know. :D

Just so everyone knows. Please PLEASE don't take offense to anything I say that may come off as bitchy today.

/let the drinks begin.

[Jman2k3]

Awesome write up.

[BlueStar]

Alrighty...Did I play the first Enemy of the Noble game? Can't remember...

[BlueStar]

Alrighty...Did I play the first Enemy of the Noble game? Can't remember...

Negative, it seems...

[Destiny]

Glad to see this game up and running, really looking forward to this one. Day off today but working for the rest of the week.

[BlueStar]

Astil hasn't posted yet. He's scum for sure.

Vote: Astil

[Crychon]

We need more activity up in here!

No posts since 7 AM? COME ON, SON!

I know it's early, but we need to get some sort of discussion going!

Vote: Astil

Eh, it's a direction that might cause discussion, so I'll jump on.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: 2 (BlueStar, Crychon)

[Destiny]

Well we have to start somewhere I suppose and a few votes on inactive players may encourage general activity. Vote: Astil

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: 3 (BlueStar, Crychon, Destiny)

[djthefunkchris]

Well we have to start somewhere I suppose and a few votes on inactive players may encourage general activity. Vote: Astil

Well, it is day 1 and I just now realized that the game thread was open... and I'm pretty quick with these usually if I'm home. If I'm just now seeing the thread, I'm pretty sure more then half the players probably haven't yet.

That being said, I don't mind pushing for information. I think I'll hold off my vote however, since I have to take off to work in a bit and won't be around.

[Crychon]

Well, it is day 1 and I just now realized that the game thread was open... and I'm pretty quick with these usually if I'm home. If I'm just now seeing the thread, I'm pretty sure more then half the players probably haven't yet.

That being said, I don't mind pushing for information. I think I'll hold off my vote however, since I have to take off to work in a bit and won't be around.

/nod I wasn't really pushing Astil because he was "inactive" I was more just going with a direction that was thrown out in order to hopefully generate some discussion.

Some people are actually posting now, so that's good!

[machinesxe]

You know me...I love to see blood...Let's lynch him, always a good way to find what you are looking.

Vote: Astil

[Astil]

Astil hasn't posted yet. He's scum for sure.

Vote: Astil

New office building. No privacy. Can only post on lunch and breaks.

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

[Astil]

Well we have to start somewhere I suppose and a few votes on inactive players may encourage general activity. Vote: Astil

Yes, I am usually quiet the inactive player...

[Tha Black Phenom]

Exams time. Limited activity until the end of the week.

New office building. No privacy. Can only post on lunch and breaks.

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

Now look what you guys did.

[Arrows]

New office building. No privacy. Can only post on lunch and breaks.

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

You just can't get lucky on roles this year, 'eh?

[TheKenwyne]

AFFIRMATI--

No dammit, that was last game. Checking in.

Vote: Astil

I just read some Chaucer. I'm very poorly disposed towards millers atm. :p

[BHK1978]

New office building. No privacy. Can only post on lunch and breaks.

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

I am not saying I don't believe you but like Arrows just said you have had some interesting roles lately.:D

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm not sure I like the day one direction.

Miller claim day one from Astil.

Well I'm either town, scum, or an alien. Either way it's going to be a fun game.

[eayragt]

I have to say BHK1978 is playing a lot like scum this game...

And in other thoughts, do we just lynch the miller, or do we see if he nicely gives us a reason not to?

[Astil]

If you guys don't lynch me I'll give you something very good D3.

[Arrows]

Gonna say we trust Astil at the moment.

[TheKenwyne]

If you guys don't lynch me I'll give you something very good D3.

*grumble complain*

Just don't deflower any virgins before then.

Change Vote: No Vote

[eayragt]

If you guys don't lynch me I'll give you something very good D3.

Is it better than a cookie?

[Destiny]

Chan Vote: No Vote. I won't forget about your promised treat on Day Three though...

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: 3 (BlueStar, Crychon, machinesxe)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Gonna say we trust Astil at the moment.

We?

(Also, hi everyone! :p)

[Arrows]

We?

(Also, hi everyone! :p)

Yeah?

[Imarevenant]

Is it better than a cookie?

Nothing is better than a cookie.

[Crychon]

Astil hasn't posted yet. He's scum for sure.

Vote: Astil

New office building. No privacy. Can only post on lunch and breaks.

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

Gonna say we trust Astil at the moment.

Eeeeh.... Nah. I don't think I'm going to do that.

In fact, to me it kind of looks like BlueStar set Astil up so he could make his miller claim and he spit it out pretty early.

Looks planned to me. I'm going to go ahead and continue distrusting all of you.

[machinesxe]

Change vote: arrows for no other reason but the fact that last game he pretty much made that other guy unlynchable

[Arrows]

Change vote: arrows for no other reason but the fact that last game he pretty much made that other guy unlynchable

That was the WEAKEST member of that team, yanno. Gonna get to those roles soon. Between mom's broken leg, dad's eye surgery, the car dying on me, been a long few weeks.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yeah?

You say that as if you're speaking for a group with some sort of authority. I don't think us trusting Astil is/was the consensus at all.

[Ranson]

So, yeah. I'll stick with being wildly paranoid and lurky right now. If I could vote for all of you, I would.

*mumble*

Trust no one!

*mumble*

[gonvick]

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

Ok, if you would like to discuss it, why are you a miller?

[Arrows]

You say that as if you're speaking for a group with some sort of authority. I don't think us trusting Astil is/was the consensus at all.

You've played with me for a long time now. Think I'm gonna expose something like a mason group in my first post?:cool:

I know it wasn't a consensus of any sort either way, gut just says not to push too much there.

[moon_lit_tears]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOO

I'm here, but I'm seeing like quadruple of everyithing.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: 2 (BlueStar, Crychon)
Arrows: 1 (machinesxe)

[mjdgoldeneye]

You've played with me for a long time now. Think I'm gonna expose something like a mason group in my first post?:cool:

I know it wasn't a consensus of any sort either way, gut just says not to push too much there.

Yes. And no one would notice. :p

[Antithesis]

Ok, if you would like to discuss it, why are you a miller?

This is a good question.

[Arrows]

Yes. And no one would notice. :p

True.;)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Woah, Anti's in this game? :p

[BHK1978]

SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoOOOOOO

I'm here, but I'm seeing like quadruple of everyithing.

Is that why you added the extra i in everything?:eek:

[moon_lit_tears]

Woah, Anti's in this game? :p

Note Mjdgoldeneye

Is that why you added the extra i in everything?:eek:

Shut up. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

Note Mjdgoldeneye



Shut up. :p


VOTE Mjdgoldeneye!

[djthefunkchris]

Is it wrong that I find Anti's avatar the most interesting thing in the thread so far? :cool:

For some reason I keep hearing something about the Six Million Dollar Man in commercials and such quite a bit... or at least the music from it recently. Young ones at work are humming it for crying out loud, and I know they are way too young to have watched it.

[BlueStar]

New office building. No privacy. Can only post on lunch and breaks.

Also: I'm a miller. Discuss.

Interesting

I'm not sure I like the day one direction.

Miller claim day one from Astil.

Well I'm either town, scum, or an alien. Either way it's going to be a fun game.

Beats jotting down SQL statements as a robot...wait, that was last game....

If you guys don't lynch me I'll give you something very good D3.

Day Three? But I want it now.

Ok, if you would like to discuss it, why are you a miller?

This....

[BlueStar]

Woah, Anti's in this game? :p

That's what happens when the players names aren't listed alphabetically.

Right, Astil's certainly played an interesting card from D1...do I believe he's town miller? Don't know. At this stage I've got little reason to remove my vote.

[Destiny]

Add me to the ever-growing list of players wanting a response from Astil as to why exactly he's a miller. Off to work soon.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: 2 (BlueStar, Crychon)
Arrows: 1 (machinesxe)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (moon_lit_tears)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Suddenly: Vote: Astil

I am typically an advocate of voting off the day 1 miller unless convinced otherwise.

[bak42]

Add me to the ever-growing list of players wanting a response from Astil as to why exactly he's a miller. Off to work soon.

You can add me to that list as well.

[Astil]

Ok, if you would like to discuss it, why are you a miller?

I'm a petty criminal not from around here.

[Astil]

Suddenly: Vote: Astil

I am typically an advocate of voting off the day 1 miller unless convinced otherwise.

Remember this, may be useful later.

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

Whoops, forgot to check the GDS boards for a day or three! Looks like a typical day 1... Astil, again putting out some info day 1 to get everyone on your nuts. It made sense for bomb, even if it eventually led to my demise somehow, but miller is probably just going to lead to talking in circles.

Vote: Astil

If you're going to claim miller, you might as well put it all out there now.

[Astil]

Whoops, forgot to check the GDS boards for a day or three! Looks like a typical day 1... Astil, again putting out some info day 1 to get everyone on your nuts. It made sense for bomb, even if it eventually led to my demise somehow, but miller is probably just going to lead to talking in circles.

Vote: Astil

If you're going to claim miller, you might as well put it all out there now.

So that scum can mess with the results? No thanks

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

So that scum can mess with the results? No thanks

You already put a day you're going to do something out there, I'm pretty sure that scum will try their best to mess with you then or before to instill doubt in your claim anyway.

But if you're confident that you can make it come off without a hitch, and it would clear your name for good, I guess we'll have to hope.

[gonvick]

Add me to the ever-growing list of players wanting a response from Astil as to why exactly he's a miller. Off to work soon.

Has something changed since you felt comfortable enough with his claim that you removed your vote and didn't ask any follow up questions?

Suddenly: Vote: Astil

I am typically an advocate of voting off the day 1 miller unless convinced otherwise.

You just now remembered your typical response to miller claims?

I'm a petty criminal not from around here.

Hmmm...

[Astil]

But if you're confident that you can make it come off without a hitch, and it would clear your name for good, I guess we'll have to hope.

I am.

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

I am.

You know better than I what your play is. Still, wouldn't it have been better to lay low until then to reduce the risk of something happening? It feels like you're either setting yourself up to fail... Or another thing which I won't say.

[Astil]

You know better than I what your play is. Still, wouldn't it have been better to lay low until then to reduce the risk of something happening? It feels like you're either setting yourself up to fail... Or another thing which I won't say.

And when the inevitable investigation result comes in?

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

And when the inevitable investigation result comes in?

Depends on what the circumstances are. Night 1= no stock, beyond that, we'll see but it's hard to say it would be damning to you in my eyes. I'll mostly be judging you by what happens day 3.

Change Vote: No Vote

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

Here's my last thoughts for the day on you, Astil- You come out with this opening gambit enough that it's almost expected of you now. When the time comes for it to pan out, I'd hope it comes with either a dead scum or a good lynch and enough info from you to confirm you are what you've said you are.

[BlueStar]

And when the inevitable investigation result comes in?

Not sure...I think in previous games the investigator role has been one of the least useful around. Considering the miller claim, if I was an investigator, I'm not even sure I was going to target you for the reasons you mentioned yourself.

[BlueStar]

Here's my last thoughts for the day on you, Astil- You come out with this opening gambit enough that it's almost expected of you now. When the time comes for it to pan out, I'd hope it comes with either a dead scum or a good lynch and enough info from you to confirm you are what you've said you are.

I've pretty much said what I have to say...

* I started this with a random vote...to be honest, you were player nr1 and I didn't even notice the names were not alphabetical.
* You come up with the miller claim
* You promise something by D3...if it's true, surely some scum will be noting that down.
* You claim to be a shady character, not from around these parts....

Well...it's an interesting move. Not good enough to remove my initial random vote though.

[moon_lit_tears]

I sat back and waited because I wanted to see if anyone else would counter the miller claim.

Since no one has as of yet, I'm inclined to give Astil the day 3 he's asked for.

[Astil]

Think of how boring day 1 would be without me!

[Arrows]

Think of how boring day 1 would be without me!

I woulda got bored and claimed some random idiocy.

[i effin rule]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: 3 (BlueStar, Crychon, mjdgoldeneye)
Arrows: 1 (machinesxe)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (moon_lit_tears)

[DeadCeleb]

Alright, I'm finally here.

Like others, completely forgot to check the boards. Couple that with long work days, things didn't look good for getting on the board.

I have a better phone this time around, so will be able to check up more often.

[DeadCeleb]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: e (BlueStar, Crychon, mjdgoldeneye)
Arrows: 1 (machinesxe)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (moon_lit_tears)


a vote count of e? hmmmm.:p

[Arrows]

It is now D1, you have until 9:00pm EST on Thursday, April 26th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 12.

Astil: e (BlueStar, Crychon, mjdgoldeneye)
Arrows: 1 (machinesxe)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (moon_lit_tears)

e votes?

[Astil]

Okay. Okay. If I have e votes I'll crack. I'm really...

[i effin rule]

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's the problem with doing this via phone.

[eayragt]

Think of how boring day 1 would be without me!

To be fair I did used to support a Day 1 vote of No Lynch (or a Day 1 lynch of Destiny...), but stuff like this makes me now know that's a wasted opportunity. Just a small one though.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Remember this, may be useful later.

Want me to go get all the posts in other games where I expressed that opinion? :p

You just now remembered your typical response to miller claims?

No, I said "suddenly" because the thread was quiet and I just kind of walked in and did that. I just happened to get around to voting then. I'm not the type to put effort into the timing or style of my posts (anymore at least). I'm busy and incredibly absent minded and I say and do what I say and do when it comes to mind.

It's fun watching people go into "someone told the robot to disobey this order" mode because I voted right after a particular other person or opened the thread and didn't post until 20 minutes later or whatever... :p

Not everything is a conspiracy. I suppose the nature of the game makes it worthwhile to consider, though.

[Astil]

Want me to go get all the posts in other games where I expressed that opinion? :p



Yes.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yes.

It was hypothetical. If I could search by poster and by text, I would.

If you don't already know or for some reason don't trust that that's my opinion... well... you mustn't have played with me all that often. :p

If we get anything at all on Day 1, we follow through with it. We only get Day 1 once. There is nothing irreparable that we can do on Day 1 (unless the game is broken, in which case we're screwed anyway) and the potential upside is unbounded.

[eayragt]

If I could search by poster and by text, I would.

Checks advanced search feature.

Yep.

Waiting...

[Astil]

It was hypothetical. If I could search by poster and by text, I would.

If you don't already know or for some reason don't trust that that's my opinion... well... you mustn't have played with me all that often. :p

If we get anything at all on Day 1, we follow through with it. We only get Day 1 once. There is nothing irreparable that we can do on Day 1 (unless the game is broken, in which case we're screwed anyway) and the potential upside is unbounded.

Some roles are worth keeping.

[moon_lit_tears]

I want to see these posts as well...

[mjdgoldeneye]

Some roles are worth keeping.

Then I advise people with those roles to not reveal they're millers without an impetus on Day 1. You've drawn a target over your head for vigilantes. If it weren't for me questioning you, pointing out what you just did would also paint a target on your for scum.

Scum don't care if what you said was hypothetical. They literally have nothing to go on now, just like we do... :p (And if it was hypothetical, why the heck would you go and actually say it?)

Oh, and, guys, I used this exact same reasoning before relating to someone claiming stuff on Day 1. That person was Astil. (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1718204&postcount=67)

I've said this stuff about millers before too, but please excuse me for not reading through every mafia post I've ever made where I said the word "miller". Again, what I offered was hypothetical. I was pointing out that nobody should be surprised or suspicious of me for having a position that I've had consistently as scum and town on previous occasions...

I shouldn't have to prove it, you people were THERE! :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

To put it into perspective:

"Guys, I really like pancakes."

"REALLY? I DOUBT IT..."

"I'll prove it, then! Haha..."

"OK."

"I was joking, but we've been to iHop at least 6 times together."

"I DON'T REMEMBER."

:p

[Astil]

I legit lol'd. My post was obviously a joke, I remember the bomb thing where you where all 'oh no he'll be a distraction'.

BTW, I thought I did okay that game. Give a dude a shot, what harm could I do before D3 if I were scum?

[BHK1978]

I have to say BHK1978 is playing a lot like scum this game...

Sorry I fogot to acknowledge this, you are a man of you word.:D

[Astil]

I legit lol'd. My post was obviously a joke, I remember the bomb thing where you where all 'oh no he'll be a distraction'.

BTW, I thought I did okay that game. Give a dude a shot, what harm could I do before D3 if I were scum?

Also....I will need the nuke and the launch codes.

Before D3.

Thank you in advance.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I legit lol'd. My post was obviously a joke, I remember the bomb thing where you where all 'oh no he'll be a distraction'.

BTW, I thought I did okay that game. Give a dude a shot, what harm could I do before D3 if I were scum?

You could kill every one of us. You can do it. DON'T TEST ME, MAN. :p

[Destiny]

Well, I've read up and it looks as though we're going to let Astil be for the time being. I'm alright with that, but am looking forward to treats on the third day.

[Astil]

Well, I've read up and it looks as though we're going to let Astil be for the time being. I'm alright with that, but am looking forward to treats on the third day.

I will be Santa D3.

[BHK1978]

Well, I've read up and it looks as though we're going to let Astil be for the time being. I'm alright with that, but am looking forward to treats on the third day.

I am glad to see old school Destiny back bringing the flava back...yeah! Now he just has to challenge someone to mortal combat and everything will be right in the world.

[Antithesis]

Is it just me, or is MJ suddenly acting scummy?

And no I won't vote on him, I'm trying to live past N 1 for a change.

[Antithesis]

Is it just me, or is MJ suddenly acting scummy?

And no I won't vote on him, I'm trying to live past N 1 for a change.

[gonvick]

No, I said "suddenly" because the thread was quiet and I just kind of walked in and did that. I just happened to get around to voting then. I'm not the type to put effort into the timing or style of my posts (anymore at least). I'm busy and incredibly absent minded and I say and do what I say and do when it comes to mind.

It's fun watching people go into "someone told the robot to disobey this order" mode because I voted right after a particular other person or opened the thread and didn't post until 20 minutes later or whatever... :p

Not everything is a conspiracy. I suppose the nature of the game makes it worthwhile to consider, though.

Was just curious if there was a reason you waited so long before applying your typical response to a miller claim. It's not like there's been much of anything else going on, so it was mildly interesting that you didn't address it in your typical fashion earlier.

Also....I will need the nuke and the launch codes.

Before D3.

Thank you in advance.

That sounds reasonable.

[Destiny]

I am glad to see old school Destiny back bringing the flava back...yeah! Now he just has to challenge someone to mortal combat and everything will be right in the world.

I'm a peaceful soul and will hopfully not be challenging anybody to duels during this game.

[i effin rule]

Sorry guys, got a little into the draft.

DAY PHASE IS OVER!

[i effin rule]

D1

As the remaining citizens of Dayordra took inventory of the situation they noticed that the capital building had been destroyed. No one was sure whether or not the Premier was still alive, or if they did they weren't foolish enough to point it out in a time like this. In a situation such as this the only course of action was marshal law.

The day was spent trying to get a feel of the situation. While there were plenty of accusations, the collective group elected to not make a decision without further information.


Astil: 3 (BlueStar, Crychon, mjdgoldeneye)
Arrows: 1 (machinesxe)
mjdgoldeneye: 1 (moon_lit_tears)

[i effin rule]

It is now N1. You have until 11:00pm EST on Friday, April 27th to send your abilities to i effin rule.

[Crychon]

I kind of wish we got a bit more pressure/info out of the phase, but eh, it's day one, what're you going to do.

Also, we've gone soft... Basically taking a miller's word at face value?

I'm at least mildly disappointed.

[Wallbanger]

Is it just me, or is MJ suddenly acting scummy?

And no I won't vote on him, I'm trying to live past N 1 for a change.

Nah, he's just off, like usual.

Now if he were ON all of a sudden, then yeah, lynch that like there's no tomorrow. :p

[Destiny]

Well, I'm off to another day at work. Hopefully we can learn quite a few things tonight.

[BlueStar]

Just to note I'll be away from tomorrow until Tuesday. If needed, I can be replaced....no internet access.

[i effin rule]

Phase is over! Write up due on or before Tuesday.

[i effin rule]

N1


As darkness settles over Dayordra true fear wears on the citizens like a wet blanket. Most do their best to find somewhere to hide, to stay away from all possible dangers. Other, however, seek to help out in every way they can.


********


She was confused. She wandered the streets with intent on doing something, she just didn’t know what.


********


She was paying close attention to the other, wanting to know exactly what was going on. She had no idea that it was her own back that she should have been watching.


********


He stood in the darkness, peering out into the night. He had no idea that he was surrounded by others. The glow of a blade would catch someone’s attention however.


“Like, listen and stuff. We should totally, like, be cool to each other and stuff. So can you, like, totally take a chill and think this over?”


She was caught off guard by the hidden presence. Unsure of what to do she dropped the blade and ran off.


********


If only she could get closer, get a better look. She began to step out of the shadows but was stopped abruptly. The darkness began to disappear as a bright glow filled the night. There wouldn’t be much left of her.


********


With day break it was time to take inventory of the damage. All things considered, they felt rather fortunate.


Tha Black Phenom is dead. He was Shihuff Lightayen, Dayordra Algined Voyeur

[i effin rule]

It is now D2, you have until 11:00pm EST on Sunday, April 29th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 11.

[i effin rule]

All pm's should be out. If you expected one and didn't get one, send me a pm.

[Tha Black Phenom]

Seriously man? Two games in a row, and I ran a game before that.. fiddlesticks.

[Wallbanger]

Sigh. ier's writeups are among the hardest to glean intel from.

Lots of feminine pronouns there. In my current jetlagged state that's about the best I can do. Though I'm half tempted to say the guy surrounded by lots of people is Astil. :)

With that, I'm going to bed and leaving you with this brief bit of shameless plugging: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1766164&postcount=335

[BHK1978]

I wonder if one kill means we are going to have something like my role in the original game show up. Meaning I wonder if there will be a Cult that ends up recruiting a Serial Killer. Granted I see nothing like that in the write up but I still have to think there has to be a second kill out there.

[moon_lit_tears]

Looks to me like a kill was stopped...I could be wrong, but....

[BHK1978]

Looks to me like a kill was stopped...I could be wrong, but....

Yeah you could be right, I see what you are saying. Okay, scratch what I said previously, I thought for once I had a good working theory but it seems like I was wrong.

[moon_lit_tears]

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

[djthefunkchris]

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

Hmm... I could get behind one of those I think.

[Jaded]

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

Not wanting to mindlessly follow MLT like she's Blair Waldorf or anything, but I'm interested in these guys as well.

[Destiny]

Vote: mjdgoldeneye. I'd like to know the usual questions for now: male/female, go out at night?

[eayragt]

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

Cause I is town.

No better reason than that.

[Arrows]

Vote: Antithesis

Lessee what he's got ta say.

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

LOL at the Valley Girl-sounding protector. At least they were able to talk the killer off the ledge.

I'm just checking in very briefly before a bachelor party that might keep me away from the keyboard all night... Might as well help start a wagon before I go though.

Vote: Antithesis

[eayragt]

LOL at the Valley Girl-sounding protector. At least they were able to talk the killer off the ledge.

I'm just checking in very briefly before a bachelor party that might keep me away from the keyboard all night... Might as well help start a wagon before I go though.

Vote: Antithesis

Going so soon, or care to say what you were up to last night?

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

Going so soon, or care to say what you were up to last night?

Going so soon. I really don't have the time to say too much on anything right now. However, if one of these doesn't pan out get at me tomorrow (as in Sunday).

[i effin rule]

It is now D2, you have until 11:00pm EST on Sunday, April 29th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 11.

mjdgoldeneye: 1 (Destiny)
Antithesis: 2 (Arrows, Mr T Jobs to Me)

[moon_lit_tears]

Interesting so far....

ANyway I'm going to get ready for this fun filled day of a wedding I don't really want to go too.

I will be back at some point this evening to lay a vote. Have fun and don't lynch anyone while I'm away.

[eayragt]

Going so soon. I really don't have the time to say too much on anything right now. However, if one of these doesn't pan out get at me tomorrow (as in Sunday).

Okay. Question still stands.

Vote: mjdgoldeneye

As a vote from Destiny may not be the encouragement to answer the questions ask.

And for his poor Day 1 answers.

[i effin rule]

It is now D2, you have until 11:00pm EST on Sunday, April 29th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 11.

mjdgoldeneye: 2 (Destiny, eayragt)
Antithesis: 2 (Arrows, Mr T Jobs to Me)

[moon_lit_tears]

Okay. Question still stands.

Vote: mjdgoldeneye

As a vote from Destiny may not be the encouragement to answer the questions ask.

And for his poor Day 1 answers.


Destiny isn't an avenue I'm willing to take as of yet.

MJ well...he always seems off to me...

[Antithesis]

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

Thats three odd picks, given 5 or so people have posted even less than I.

Since you pointed out that someone using a knife was likely blocked, why not ask for the roleblocker to come out and tell us who a good SK candidate is. Thats the logical thing to do.

Then again maybe you think said roleblocker is scum. If so, why would you think that, unless they are on your team.

Also I'd add that generally, since there is so little info given during most D1's the N1 actions tend to follow from what is out there. To wit I'd argue that maybe TBP targetted Astil or MJ based on D1 events. Given the write up of TBP's death it is entirely possible that TBP's voyeur was killed by the person he targetted. Course that could just be IER's choice of wording, but then again, we do have write ups for a reason.

As for me, my character is female and thats all I'll share for now. I am quite happy to appear suspicious as I'm town aligned and doubt I'll get lynched based on one player throwing out random names, but suspicion is good, as it means I'll probably survive another night phase.

Hooray for me.

And oh yeah.

Vote mjdgoldeneye

[i effin rule]

It is now D2, you have until 11:00pm EST on Sunday, April 29th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 11.

mjdgoldeneye: 3 (Destiny, eayragt, Antithesis)
Antithesis: 2 (Arrows, Mr T Jobs to Me)

[eayragt]

Okay. Question still stands.

Vote: mjdgoldeneye

As a vote from Destiny may not be the encouragement to answer the questions ask.

And for his poor Day 1 answers.

Destiny isn't an avenue I'm willing to take as of yet.

MJ well...he always seems off to me...

That's from Destiny, not for Destiny.

[moon_lit_tears]

Thats three odd picks, given 5 or so people have posted even less than I.

Since you pointed out that someone using a knife was likely blocked, why not ask for the roleblocker to come out and tell us who a good SK candidate is. Thats the logical thing to do.

Then again maybe you think said roleblocker is scum. If so, why would you think that, unless they are on your team.

Also I'd add that generally, since there is so little info given during most D1's the N1 actions tend to follow from what is out there. To wit I'd argue that maybe TBP targetted Astil or MJ based on D1 events. Given the write up of TBP's death it is entirely possible that TBP's voyeur was killed by the person he targetted. Course that could just be IER's choice of wording, but then again, we do have write ups for a reason.

As for me, my character is female and thats all I'll share for now. I am quite happy to appear suspicious as I'm town aligned and doubt I'll get lynched based on one player throwing out random names, but suspicion is good, as it means I'll probably survive another night phase.

Hooray for me.

And oh yeah.

Vote mjdgoldeneye

If you were the roleblocker and town would you step forward?

If you were scum and the roleblocker would you step forward?

I shouldn't have to ask a TOWN ROLEBLOCKER to step forward if they blocked a kill last night, no?

I'm going to give this some time. I asked a question VERY early in the phase that gives plenty of time to look other directions, plus it gets conversation started.

You get quite defensive on this one buddy. :)

[eayragt]

You get quite defensive on this one buddy. :)

Answered questions, asked questions of others... that's not actually that defensive. It was more useful than my "don't lynch me I'm town" response. Or didn't you like the direction of his Anti's questions?

[Arrows]

If you were the roleblocker and town would you step forward?

If you were scum and the roleblocker would you step forward?

I shouldn't have to ask a TOWN ROLEBLOCKER to step forward if they blocked a kill last night, no?

I'm going to give this some time. I asked a question VERY early in the phase that gives plenty of time to look other directions, plus it gets conversation started.

You get quite defensive on this one buddy. :)

/nod

[moon_lit_tears]

Answered questions, asked questions of others... that's not actually that defensive. It was more useful than my "don't lynch me I'm town" response. Or didn't you like the direction of his Anti's questions?

Not at all. If you notice the smiley I was more or less just messing with him on the last part.

Anyway I've REALLY gotta get ready. This wedding starts in less than two hours and I'm a girl....so it means I'm probably going to be late now because I've still gotta shower...so this will be my last post for a while....

poof...

[Arrows]

Since you pointed out that someone using a knife was likely blocked, why not ask for the roleblocker to come out and tell us who a good SK candidate is. Thats the logical thing to do.

Then again maybe you think said roleblocker is scum. If so, why would you think that, unless they are on your team.

Answered questions, asked questions of others... that's not actually that defensive. It was more useful than my "don't lynch me I'm town" response. Or didn't you like the direction of his Anti's questions?

You don't find the above kinda, off? I read it like "Why are you trying to make this play at all when we could sit around waiting for some mysterious role blocker to come forward. Why don't you push just that avenue?

[Antithesis]

Looks to me like a kill was stopped...I could be wrong, but....

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

If you were the roleblocker and town would you step forward?

If you were scum and the roleblocker would you step forward?

I shouldn't have to ask a TOWN ROLEBLOCKER to step forward if they blocked a kill last night, no?

I'm going to give this some time. I asked a question VERY early in the phase that gives plenty of time to look other directions, plus it gets conversation started.

You get quite defensive on this one buddy. :)

I mean really now, you read that in sequence and you think either

1) MLT is the blocker and she doesnt want to admit it, so she's dropped one of the names of the person she blocked in that list of three

or

2) MLT thinks the blocker is one of these 3 names and wants the discussion to get started

or
3) MLT just wants to change the subject.

Regardless I object to all three options given the following
I am not the roleblocker, and I was not blocked. The only reason for you to mention my name is eitehr some smokescreen or just some random gambit, all the while ignoring the likelihood that TBP, called voyeur, was likely a watcher meaning that, given D'1s events he probably targetted Astil or MJ, but instead you make a list with my name in it.

I am not being defensive, I am merely pointing out that, at this point, your list is at best, silly, and at worst a purposeful attempt to turn the direction elsewhere.

That is, of course, unless you know something about eayragt or Banger you were afraid to say earlier.

[Antithesis]

You don't find the above kinda, off? I read it like "Why are you trying to make this play at all when we could sit around waiting for some mysterious role blocker to come forward. Why don't you push just that avenue?

TBP's character was listed as a voyeur, meaning he was probably a watcher.

Who do you think he may have targetted N1, given what went down D1?

[Antithesis]

Answered questions, asked questions of others... that's not actually that defensive. It was more useful than my "don't lynch me I'm town" response. Or didn't you like the direction of his Anti's questions?

For all I know she may actually have a reason for mentioning you and/or Banger.

[Arrows]

I mean really now, you read that in sequence and you think either

1) MLT is the blocker and she doesnt want to admit it, so she's dropped one of the names of the person she blocked in that list of three

or

2) MLT thinks the blocker is one of these 3 names and wants the discussion to get started

or
3) MLT just wants to change the subject.

Regardless I object to all three options given the following
I am not the roleblocker, and I was not blocked. The only reason for you to mention my name is eitehr some smokescreen or just some random gambit, all the while ignoring the likelihood that TBP, called voyeur, was likely a watcher meaning that, given D'1s events he probably targetted Astil or MJ, but instead you make a list with my name in it.

I am not being defensive, I am merely pointing out that, at this point, your list is at best, silly, and at worst a purposeful attempt to turn the direction elsewhere.

That is, of course, unless you know something about eayragt or Banger you were afraid to say earlier.

1, is a solid way to make the play. I'd have done the same. Why just throw out one person when you can take a shot at getting more than one to slip up?

2, is a little weaker, as you force someone else's hand and they may not know they're the one doing the blocking. I've seen some protectors that don't know they're blocking, for example. I'm sure I could think of other situations.

3, makes little sense. I can't say some wouldn't do it, but if I wanted to change the subject, I wouldn't bring the f'n subject up to begin with. I'd allow the town to form their own opinions. Why hand them free information if you're the stopped killer?


That's the only reason for your name to have been brought up? So she couldn't possibly have ANYTHING else on you, at all? Nothing, whatsoever. Nadda. Zilch. Zero. Isn't possible?

As far as TBP is concerned, why should anyone be focusing on who he MIGHT have targeted, when we have no clue who he did target? Sure, there's a chance he targeted Astil or MJD. After day one, there's a definite chance.

So we should just push them because there's a chance they were targeted by someone you randomly assume is a watcher? Let's say he is a watcher. The hells that got to do with anything? Better yet.

If he's the watcher you assume he was, why do you believe he'd have targeted Astil at all? Not gonna catch scum at Astil night one after the miller play. Killing him would be the dumbest possible move for the scum at that point in the game.

You try your hardest to discredit this list of hers entirely, then slip in "But you could have something on one of them you were too scared to mention."

Isn't fear, Anti. Coming from someone who's used the play, the less you say before everyone talks, the better. YOU should know that. You're smart enough to know that.

Why so dismissive?

More than one scum on that list?

[Antithesis]

1, is a solid way to make the play. I'd have done the same. Why just throw out one person when you can take a shot at getting more than one to slip up?

2, is a little weaker, as you force someone else's hand and they may not know they're the one doing the blocking. I've seen some protectors that don't know they're blocking, for example. I'm sure I could think of other situations.

3, makes little sense. I can't say some wouldn't do it, but if I wanted to change the subject, I wouldn't bring the f'n subject up to begin with. I'd allow the town to form their own opinions. Why hand them free information if you're the stopped killer?


That's the only reason for your name to have been brought up? So she couldn't possibly have ANYTHING else on you, at all? Nothing, whatsoever. Nadda. Zilch. Zero. Isn't possible?

As far as TBP is concerned, why should anyone be focusing on who he MIGHT have targeted, when we have no clue who he did target? Sure, there's a chance he targeted Astil or MJD. After day one, there's a definite chance.

So we should just push them because there's a chance they were targeted by someone you randomly assume is a watcher? Let's say he is a watcher. The hells that got to do with anything? Better yet.

If he's the watcher you assume he was, why do you believe he'd have targeted Astil at all? Not gonna catch scum at Astil night one after the miller play. Killing him would be the dumbest possible move for the scum at that point in the game.

You try your hardest to discredit this list of hers entirely, then slip in "But you could have something on one of them you were too scared to mention."

Isn't fear, Anti. Coming from someone who's used the play, the less you say before everyone talks, the better. YOU should know that. You're smart enough to know that.

Why so dismissive?

More than one scum on that list?

See, you are doing this all wrong, the context of the game isn't seperate from the player, in fact, it follows from it.

I know what my role is, ergo, I know she can't have a game based reason for putting my name out there, yet she did it anyway.

So lets ask why. Given my reactions in the past isn't it safe bet to assume this would happen? I'd go and post all this stuff and jump on her, as you pointed out in a past game and given your time with petrija you know very well how I react to MLT throwing my name in.

You say that there is a definite chance TBP may have targetted MJD but then drop his name and keep mentioing Astil, meanwhile your vote is on me. In part, I believe, to help provoke this.

I mean really, what other reason would you have to vote.

Are you and MLT in a group?

[eayragt]

You don't find the above kinda, off? I read it like "Why are you trying to make this play at all when we could sit around waiting for some mysterious role blocker to come forward. Why don't you push just that avenue?

It's not an avenue I would wait to develop - that's what happened Day 2 your game and helped waste the day away.

[Arrows]

See, you are doing this all wrong, the context of the game isn't seperate from the player, in fact, it follows from it.

I know what my role is, ergo, I know she can't have a game based reason for putting my name out there, yet she did it anyway.

So lets ask why. Given my reactions in the past isn't it safe bet to assume this would happen? I'd go and post all this stuff and jump on her, as you pointed out in a past game and given your time with petrija you know very well how I react to MLT throwing my name in.

You say that there is a definite chance TBP may have targetted MJD but then drop his name and keep mentioing Astil, meanwhile your vote is on me. In part, I believe, to help provoke this.

I mean really, what other reason would you have to vote.

Are you and MLT in a group?

My vote was on you originally as a random guess between the three, to be entirely honest. It remained because of your reaction and blowing it off. You know she can have no reason to have you on there. I don't.

You don't know about the other two. Maybe your name was chosen at random and one of them is evil. Instead of trying to help get this sorted out, you push for information out of MJD, based on the fact that a dead, might be watcher, might have targeted him.

I guess I can see how that's no worse than the current MLT might have something route. I just don't like the way you basically ignored one thing to focus on something that relies on a buncha might haves.

[Arrows]

It's not an avenue I would wait to develop - that's what happened Day 2 your game and helped waste the day away.

It's what ALWAYS happens.

How often do killers get caught by blockers?

[moon_lit_tears]

WAIT A MINUTE

Anti...

Exactly what subject was I changing?

I WAS THE FIRST TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.



Yes it was partially messing with you about being defensive, but the more you respond the more I'm wondering exactly what you have in mind.

No I'm not the blocker, or maybe I am, or maybe I have nothing. You won't know till I want to let that go.

Point is...I'm not changing a subject. I started this discussion for the day. Anyone trying to change the subject are those who came on AFTER me and started questioning people.

[Antithesis]

My vote was on you originally as a random guess between the three, to be entirely honest. It remained because of your reaction and blowing it off. You know she can have no reason to have you on there. I don't.

You don't know about the other two. Maybe your name was chosen at random and one of them is evil. Instead of trying to help get this sorted out, you push for information out of MJD, based on the fact that a dead, might be watcher, might have targeted him.

I guess I can see how that's no worse than the current MLT might have something route. I just don't like the way you basically ignored one thing to focus on something that relies on a buncha might haves.

Thats silly. If she has a reason to list one or the both Banger and Eagragt then adding me at random doesn't serve any purpose but to cloud the issue. Which would be a good reason for me being so pointed, instead of supporting her wwasting time in how this has been done, you should be with me in calling her out on it.

Honestly, if you really were a town roleblocker and you knew who the SK was D2, is the best play really making up a list of names or just coming out and saying X is the SK, lets lynch him and almost insure a town victory.

So no, I don't think she is the blocker, I think she's trying to play it like she might be. And really there is no legit townie reason i can think of for that.

[Antithesis]

WAIT A MINUTE

Anti...

Exactly what subject was I changing?

I WAS THE FIRST TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.



Yes it was partially messing with you about being defensive, but the more you respond the more I'm wondering exactly what you have in mind.

No I'm not the blocker, or maybe I am, or maybe I have nothing. You won't know till I want to let that go.

Point is...I'm not changing a subject. I started this discussion for the day. Anyone trying to change the subject are those who came on AFTER me and started questioning people.

I'm not changing the subject, I am clarifying it.

I know Im town, and as such, if you are the blocker and you are town then listing my name in with someone you know to be the SK is seriously misplayed and an awesome waste of time. Lynching the SK on D2 will mean almost certain victory for us townies unless the mod has some kind of fail safe in place.

Meanwhile, MJD still hasn't given anything that I am aware of, but three names possibly chosen at random are more important than pursuing that I guess.

[Arrows]

Thats silly. If she has a reason to list one or the both Banger and Eagragt then adding me at random doesn't serve any purpose but to cloud the issue. Which would be a good reason for me being so pointed, instead of supporting her wwasting time in how this has been done, you should be with me in calling her out on it.

Honestly, if you really were a town roleblocker and you knew who the SK was D2, is the best play really making up a list of names or just coming out and saying X is the SK, lets lynch him and almost insure a town victory.

So no, I don't think she is the blocker, I think she's trying to play it like she might be. And really there is no legit townie reason i can think of for that.

You're missing the point of the play, me thinks. If she came out, right now, and said, lets say. "I blocked Wallbanger last night." We get to vote on Banger, gauge his reaction, and decide his fate.

When you toss a couple of extra names on the list, you get to gauge the reactions of those people as well. By not explaining what she has on anyone, it forces them to fully defend themselves. Not just defend themselves from one small aspect. Much better chance of a lie.

You really don't see the value of it?

[Arrows]

You're missing the point of the play, me thinks. If she came out, right now, and said, lets say. "I blocked Wallbanger last night." We get to vote on Banger, gauge his reaction, and decide his fate.

When you toss a couple of extra names on the list, you get to gauge the reactions of those people as well. By not explaining what she has on anyone, it forces them to fully defend themselves. Not just defend themselves from one small aspect. Much better chance of a lie.

You really don't see the value of it?

Much better chance of a lie getting caught.*

[Wallbanger]

You're missing the point of the play, me thinks. If she came out, right now, and said, lets say. "I blocked Wallbanger last night." We get to vote on Banger, gauge his reaction, and decide his fate.

When you toss a couple of extra names on the list, you get to gauge the reactions of those people as well. By not explaining what she has on anyone, it forces them to fully defend themselves. Not just defend themselves from one small aspect. Much better chance of a lie.

You really don't see the value of it?

/nod

Kind of surprised this particular tangent has gotten so, well, tangential. It's by no means a unique play, been done plenty of times before, as you mentioned. It's not foolproof, it can be used by anyone regardless of alignment, it just comes down to how truthful you think the player is.

For now, I believe MLT's sincere and is playing this straight. To put it out there early and be assertive and not be reactive, it's inspiring, really.

The one thing I can say is, unlike the vast majority of the writeup participants, I am male. And I don't think this is me in the one masculine reference in the writeup:

He stood in the darkness, peering out into the night. He had no idea that he was surrounded by others. The glow of a blade would catch someone’s attention however.


“Like, listen and stuff. We should totally, like, be cool to each other and stuff. So can you, like, totally take a chill and think this over?”


She was caught off guard by the hidden presence. Unsure of what to do she dropped the blade and ran off.I posited earlier that this might be Astil, because of the attention he drew to himself D1. I don't have anything other than intuition to corroborate that statement, honestly.

[Astil]

I am male so it could be me I guess.

Also...hmm...

[Wallbanger]

I am male so it could be me I guess.

Also...hmm...

Hmm, indeed.

My reading of it is that someone wanted to take a swipe at you and someone else interceded - whether that was by protecting you or roleblocking the knife-wielder is somewhat subject to interpretation. I lean towards the latter with no other data available.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Okay. Question still stands.

Vote: mjdgoldeneye

As a vote from Destiny may not be the encouragement to answer the questions ask.

And for his poor Day 1 answers.

I'm not saying anything until that is cleared up. What is poor about me directly quoting from another game showing the exact same mindset directed towards the exact same player during the exact same phase in a different game? If you call that poor, I call you scum. Nobody can legitimately call me out on that... :p

I'll be cooperative once people make clear exactly why I've been chosen to pursue, eh? You say "Meanwhile, MJD still hasn't given anything that I am aware of, but three names possibly chosen at random are more important than pursuing that I guess.", but how exactly have I NOT been chosen at random? Is it because you chose me? Do you need proof that I've always been hard to get info from or do I need to go spend 15 minutes getting evidence that will be ignored? :rolleyes: :p

I'll say that I'm female and went out last night, but didn't get anything useful done. You'll need to convince me to share more than that.

[Antithesis]

You're missing the point of the play, me thinks. If she came out, right now, and said, lets say. "I blocked Wallbanger last night." We get to vote on Banger, gauge his reaction, and decide his fate.

When you toss a couple of extra names on the list, you get to gauge the reactions of those people as well. By not explaining what she has on anyone, it forces them to fully defend themselves. Not just defend themselves from one small aspect. Much better chance of a lie.

You really don't see the value of it?

Well I suppose so, but I only do that sneaky stuff when I'm scum. In fact, thats the problem with such a plot, townies don't need ulterior motives to win, so employing them has the effect of making you appear scummy.

Which is where we are at now.

[Arrows]

Hmm, indeed.

My reading of it is that someone wanted to take a swipe at you and someone else interceded - whether that was by protecting you or roleblocking the knife-wielder is somewhat subject to interpretation. I lean towards the latter with no other data available.

Someone wanting to take down Astil seems, odd? Between the two of you, I'd almost wager it was you. I can think of a few who attract a bunch of attention. Male here too, and wouldn't rule myself out of getting some attention after being that quiet day 1.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Oh, I didn't even read MLT's list.

Considering I can point to that, I think eayragt and Anti are probably scum and probably together. I can say that with the confidence of someone randomly deflecting accusations, but that's how I feel right now. :p

Eayragt not being satisfied with my answers does not seem the least bit sincere. Anti considering me being pursued as an intrinsically valid option also sounds insincere.

Vote: Antithesis

[Arrows]

Well I suppose so, but I only do that sneaky stuff when I'm scum. In fact, thats the problem with such a plot, townies don't need ulterior motives to win, so employing them has the effect of making you appear scummy.

Which is where we are at now.

Derek uses it as town.

I used it two games ago and busted two scum on day two with it. When done right, it can pay off big.

[i effin rule]

It is now D2, you have until 11:00pm EST on Sunday, April 29th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 11.

mjdgoldeneye: 3 (Destiny, eayragt, Antithesis)
Antithesis: 3 (Arrows, Mr T Jobs to Me, mjdgoldeneye)

[Antithesis]

I'm not saying anything until that is cleared up. What is poor about me directly quoting from another game showing the exact same mindset directed towards the exact same player during the exact same phase in a different game? If you call that poor, I call you scum. Nobody can legitimately call me out on that... :p

I'll be cooperative once people make clear exactly why I've been chosen to pursue, eh? You say "Meanwhile, MJD still hasn't given anything that I am aware of, but three names possibly chosen at random are more important than pursuing that I guess.", but how exactly have I NOT been chosen at random? Is it because you chose me? Do you need proof that I've always been hard to get info from or do I need to go spend 15 minutes getting evidence that will be ignored? :rolleyes: :p

I'll say that I'm female and went out last night, but didn't get anything useful done. You'll need to convince me to share more than that.

Your role isn't useful, then you have no reason to hide anything.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Your role isn't useful, then you have no reason to hide anything.

1. That's not what I said.

2. You didn't answer any of my other questions.

That wasn't a very good deflection.

[mjdgoldeneye]

2. You didn't answer any of my other questions.

I don't expect you to answer the loaded ones... lol :p

[Antithesis]

1. That's not what I said.

2. You didn't answer any of my other questions.

That wasn't a very good deflection.

You said you didnt do anything useful. If you are of no use to the town, then what do you have to hide?

If you were an investigator even if all you did was confirm a townie thats of some use. You arent a roleblocker I assume or you'd say who the SK likely is.

If you were a tracker and didn't track a killer, you still will be able to link people to night actions, so thats of some use.

I think you are trying to hint that you are a protector and you didn't protect a kill target. But scum have protectors to so that doesn't really validate anything. Though if I were scum and knew you were town I'd probably kill you tonight just based on what you've said and the reasoning I've listed here.

If you arent killed tonight can we assume you arent town then?

[Arrows]

You said you didnt do anything useful. If you are of no use to the town, then what do you have to hide?

If you were an investigator even if all you did was confirm a townie thats of some use. You arent a roleblocker I assume or you'd say who the SK likely is.

If you were a tracker and didn't track a killer, you still will be able to link people to night actions, so thats of some use.

I think you are trying to hint that you are a protector and you didn't protect a kill target. But scum have protectors to so that doesn't really validate anything. Though if I were scum and knew you were town I'd probably kill you tonight just based on what you've said and the reasoning I've listed here.

If you arent killed tonight can we assume you arent town then?

This is the scummiest play I've ever seen from you, just sayin'.

All he said was he didn't do anything useful last night, and you're trying your hardest to spin that into something that works to your benefit.

[Antithesis]

This is the scummiest play I've ever seen from you, just sayin'.

All he said was he didn't do anything useful last night, and you're trying your hardest to spin that into something that works to your benefit.

I don't think its scummy at all.

I know its been a while since I played, but when I did, and when I was scum, I can remember our groups always looking for targets playing like MJ here. Active but with enough doubt as as to likely go unprotected. Players who try to straddle that line between ' My role aint that important but its important enough to not talk about it'.

Those kills were always good ones, every one who ever was in a scum group with me knows what I am saying, to the point that I really doubt I am saying anything new.

What would be great though was if he was actually a PGO. He should probably squirm a bit more and then claim to be a protector. Let the scum kill themselves trying to take him out. I don't think he has the finesse for that though.

[Astil]

Vote: Antithesis

[djthefunkchris]

Eay: After last game, fooling me and leading me by the nose all game, I am forever going to be skeptical of him.

Wallbanger: Is Wallbanger, and when he don't seem scummy he is (I pointed it out last game, and he was, but he talked me out of it).

Anti: Anti's has this Mafia game down pat. Only way to get him is to catch him red handed, and even then you might not get him.

HOWEVER: Going to be totally honest here, and figure that Anti's right about Moonlit having nothing, which I can understand the goal and such.... but after Gonvick's last game, the whole "I got something, one of these are definitely scum, care to guess which one?" and not have anything on any of them has left me with a really bad taste for that approach. Game-wise, I guess that means I don't have a direction I'm happy with at the moment to use a vote on someone. Really wouldn't want to lose any of the three listed, as a miss-lynch, and at this point I have no reason to believe it wouldn't be exactly that.

Astil's claim on day 1 is exactly what I would expect Astil to do day 1 if left an opening to do so, if he is in the predicament he claims he is in.

I give up on trying to figure out what MJD's deal is. He always seems scummy to me, especially during the beginning of just about every game.

On a personal level... I had some problems last night (worked the late shift last night, and tonight I will again). Had a refrigeration unit burn out, and another one running high. They hold thousands of dollars of merchandise, and everything has been saved, but it caused me to have to stay late, and tonight looks like a long night as well.

I'll be around for another 2 hours though, if anything comes up I can get behind. However, looking through the thread, everyone debating here could all be town (or scum), nothing has stood out as particularly scummy, no matter what the general thoughts of individuals posting may elude to, so far.

[djthefunkchris]

In the above... I'm talking about Gonvick being miss-lynched because of someone doing exactly the same thing: "Here's three names, one of which come up scum, care to guess!" Gonvick ended up being miss-lynched. More then likely out of fear he might have been, but most definitely because someone said he come up scum, then apologized afterward.... Probably lost the game for the town all because of that one mistake.

[Ranson]

You don't find the above kinda, off? I read it like "Why are you trying to make this play at all when we could sit around waiting for some mysterious role blocker to come forward. Why don't you push just that avenue?

That's kinda what I was thinking. That, and asking an important town role to effectively commit suicide seems a bit...off.

I mean, it might work if I were the protector, because I suck, but that's kind of a scummy play in my opinion.

[Ranson]

You said you didnt do anything useful. If you are of no use to the town, then what do you have to hide?

If you were an investigator even if all you did was confirm a townie thats of some use. You arent a roleblocker I assume or you'd say who the SK likely is.

If you were a tracker and didn't track a killer, you still will be able to link people to night actions, so thats of some use.

I think you are trying to hint that you are a protector and you didn't protect a kill target. But scum have protectors to so that doesn't really validate anything. Though if I were scum and knew you were town I'd probably kill you tonight just based on what you've said and the reasoning I've listed here.

If you arent killed tonight can we assume you arent town then?

The difference between "having a useful ability" and "having useful results for a particular night" was pretty much exemplified by me last game. I can see bringing pressure on someone you suspect, but this is such a clumsy and easily refuted set of assumptions...I'm having a hard time seeing a player with any experience making this argument without ulterior motive.

Vote: Antithesis

[mjdgoldeneye]

Yea, I don't think what I posted was worded all that ambiguously. I simply failed to get anything worth sharing today. I don't see a reason to be convinced that I meant anything else.

There was definitely some... rhetorical interpretation... there in Anti's part. My vote stands. That's too slippery to be good-natured.

[djthefunkchris]

I took it as Anti overly analyzing the situation, something I feel he does more and more in these games.

I'm more concerned with him seeming to be overly reactive to MLT's post.... Almost like it worked... I'm not willing to take the chance on it though, not yet.

[Antithesis]

I took it as Anti overly analyzing the situation, something I feel he does more and more in these games.

I'm more concerned with him seeming to be overly reactive to MLT's post.... Almost like it worked... I'm not willing to take the chance on it though, not yet.

What if, let us say hypothetically, I had some reason to suspect that MLT's list was BS to start with?

If you take that and re-read it you would see my reaction in the light of me, suspecting MLT of some ploy, or reacting to her dragging me in to a mess based on nothing but her tossing names out there.

If its a ploy then she isn't the roleblocker, or if she is, she may very well be non town aligned.

If its her just throwing stuff around then this was all just much ado about nothing.

The reason I suspect this will become crystal clear next day phase. But I have to actually survive to get there, and well while suspicion is nice, I suppose me being mean to MJ equates to being scum or something nowadays I sense a mislynch being directed against me. I admit I am making it a tad easy, which was the point, but I need one more night phase before I can share the goods.

[Destiny]

I'll say that I'm female and went out last night, but didn't get anything useful done. You'll need to convince me to share more than that.



I'll need to convince you to give more information? OK, any reason why you should come up as non-Daydoria aligned? This is where I want votes on mjdgoldeneye added. djthefunkchris, you won by diary's prediction contest. PM me with a choice bro.

[Antithesis]

I'll need to convince you to give more information? OK, any reason why you should come up as non-Daydoria aligned? This is where I want votes on mjdgoldeneye added. djthefunkchris, you won by diary's prediction contest. PM me with a choice bro.

Well, there is that too. :D

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'll need to convince you to give more information? OK, any reason why you should come up as non-Daydoria aligned? This is where I want votes on mjdgoldeneye added. djthefunkchris, you won by diary's prediction contest. PM me with a choice bro.

No, there is not. Not by design at least. I find this revelation to be awfully convenient considering how interest just starts swinging away from me and now you come to reel it back in...

Though, hypothetically, say you actually got a result on me. Wouldn't your motivation for investigating me be the same motivation a framer would have for framing me?

Last night, it was me and Astil that had said enough to be worth investigating. Astil is a miller. That narrows it down. :p

Asking if your result is legitimate is the same thing as asking if there's a framer and there nearly always is.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'm not going to go find examples, but does anyone realize the rate of Night 1 false positives in our games here? It's staggeringly high. I noted it in a post-game a month ago or something.

[Antithesis]

I'm not going to go find examples, but does anyone realize the rate of Night 1 false positives in our games here? It's staggeringly high. I noted it in a post-game a month ago or something.

If it was me, I'd find examples.

[djthefunkchris]

I'll need to convince you to give more information? OK, any reason why you should come up as non-Daydoria aligned? This is where I want votes on mjdgoldeneye added. djthefunkchris, you won by diary's prediction contest. PM me with a choice bro.
/nod. Ok, I can't think of a better reason to vote then that.

Vote : mjdgoldeneye
No, there is not. Not by design at least. I find this revelation to be awfully convenient considering how interest just starts swinging away from me and now you come to reel it back in...

Though, hypothetically, say you actually got a result on me. Wouldn't your motivation for investigating me be the same motivation a framer would have for framing me?

Last night, it was me and Astil that had said enough to be worth investigating. Astil is a miller. That narrows it down. :p

Asking if your result is legitimate is the same thing as asking if there's a framer and there nearly always is.
If Destiny is making it up, I'm going to be highly irritated about it, after my posts about Gonvick being miss-lynched the same exact way...

However, your points are noted, and .... IF you come up town I know exactly who I will look at.

[gonvick]

Not liking Anti's rather scummy defense so far. Seems more bothered about being on a list for an unknown reason than I would generally expect from a town player.

No, there is not. Not by design at least. I find this revelation to be awfully convenient considering how interest just starts swinging away from me and now you come to reel it back in...

Though, hypothetically, say you actually got a result on me. Wouldn't your motivation for investigating me be the same motivation a framer would have for framing me?

Last night, it was me and Astil that had said enough to be worth investigating. Astil is a miller. That narrows it down. :p

Asking if your result is legitimate is the same thing as asking if there's a framer and there nearly always is.

Care to give us a reason to believe that a framer is more likely than the alternative? A role title maybe? You're not expecting us to just assume that's what happened are you?

[Antithesis]

The difference between "having a useful ability" and "having useful results for a particular night" was pretty much exemplified by me last game. I can see bringing pressure on someone you suspect, but this is such a clumsy and easily refuted set of assumptions...I'm having a hard time seeing a player with any experience making this argument without ulterior motive.

Vote: Antithesis

You left right after the fun started. No opinion on MJD apparently being non town aligned?

[mjdgoldeneye]

If it was me, I'd find examples.

People should remember. They've played here for years. I have an awful memory, but some things are so ubiquitous they sort of become instinctual. Do people NOT remember that pretty much every game has a Day 2 scum reveal that we argue about? I usually support lynching the person so they don't create a distraction and then everyone waffles around and we eventually lynch them one day and they're town, making me look silly? It's tradition...

(Also, it's the Guild Wars 2 beta weekend and I have a lot of homework. My life in this game isn't worth it to me. I'm not responsible for identifying and outlining simple patterns that everyone should just pick up on.)

I do think it's odd that people don't only not recall this, but that they also choose to rather not take my word for it. It's weird.

Though, I expect my detractors to conveniently forget anyway. ;)

[djthefunkchris]

I'm not going to go find examples, but does anyone realize the rate of Night 1 false positives in our games here? It's staggeringly high. I noted it in a post-game a month ago or something.

If it was me, I'd find examples.

Don't really see it helping the situation, as each game is different...

I do think think if there was someone going to be set-up, MJD might have been a good one for that... which in turn if he is, set's you (Anti) up pretty nicely as the person setting him up.

Myself personally though, I would have set up several other's first... Probably EAY since he got me good last game, and someone playing this game with an investigation would probably have him as one to investigate.

[Arrows]

You left right after the fun started. No opinion on MJD apparently being non town aligned?

And Anti buddies up to the the result on MJD, after he'd spent the day pushing KMJD for no reason.

Boy, who didn't see THIS one coming?

[djthefunkchris]

Not liking Anti's rather scummy defense so far. Seems more bothered about being on a list for an unknown reason than I would generally expect from a town player.
This.. This to me is what raised an eyebrow for me.

People should remember. They've played here for years. I have an awful memory, but some things are so ubiquitous they sort of become instinctual. Do people NOT remember that pretty much every game has a Day 2 scum reveal that we argue about? I usually support lynching the person so they don't create a distraction and then everyone waffles around and we eventually lynch them one day and they're town, making me look silly? It's tradition...

(Also, it's the Guild Wars 2 beta weekend and I have a lot of homework. My life in this game isn't worth it to me. I'm not responsible for identifying and outlining simple patterns that everyone should just pick up on.)

I do think it's odd that people don't only not recall this, but that they also choose to rather not take my word for it. It's weird.

Though, I expect my detractors to conveniently forget anyway. ;)

Not to be funny, using Gonvick's post twice to make some points, but he is basically emulating my feelings exactly. MJD, I might take a vote off you if you answer this post.
Care to give us a reason to believe that a framer is more likely than the alternative? A role title maybe? You're not expecting us to just assume that's what happened are you?

[gonvick]

People should remember. They've played here for years. I have an awful memory, but some things are so ubiquitous they sort of become instinctual. Do people NOT remember that pretty much every game has a Day 2 scum reveal that we argue about? I usually support lynching the person so they don't create a distraction and then everyone waffles around and we eventually lynch them one day and they're town, making me look silly? It's tradition...

(Also, it's the Guild Wars 2 beta weekend and I have a lot of homework. My life in this game isn't worth it to me. I'm not responsible for identifying and outlining simple patterns that everyone should just pick up on.)

I do think it's odd that people don't only not recall this, but that they also choose to rather not take my word for it. It's weird.

Though, I expect my detractors to conveniently forget anyway. ;)

So in every game with an early scum result you advocate lynching that player even though you remember the astonishingly high rate of false positives, but now that it's you with the result against we should focus on the false positive possibility and just move on?

Funny how that never seems like a reasonable course of action to you when the result is on someone else. One might almost think you'd like us to use a different standard for you than you use for others

[Antithesis]

And Anti buddies up to the the result on MJD, after he'd spent the day pushing KMJD for no reason.

Boy, who didn't see THIS one coming?

Yeah because I havent been voicing my suspicions about MJ since D1 :rolleyes:

Are you in a Mason group with MLT and MJ? Say Noble aligned or something like that? That would explain Destiny's result and all this focus on me.

[mjdgoldeneye]

/nod. Ok, I can't think of a better reason to vote then that.

Vote : mjdgoldeneye

If Destiny is making it up, I'm going to be highly irritated about it, after my posts about Gonvick being miss-lynched the same exact way...

However, your points are noted, and .... IF you come up town I know exactly who I will look at.

I don't think he's making it up. Actually, I don't really think anything because I have no evidence one way or the other. The suggested possibility is that he's scum trying to bring me down.

Because of the aforementioned commonality of false positives in these games, I would expect a scum group to claim this because the chances of town groups holding the investigator immediately accountable are low.

Care to give us a reason to believe that a framer is more likely than the alternative? A role title maybe? You're not expecting us to just assume that's what happened are you?

Not really more likely, just pretty likely. Framers are common and I was controversial on Day 1. I think that if there was a framer, it'd be likely that he or she would target me. I think that's fairly logical.

There's also possibly shenanigans. I am almost certain I'm not a secret miller, but there's the threat of bus drivers or any sort of non-archetypal role at work here.

I can't blame you for looking into me or expecting more info, but I don't think anything is ironclad.

I'll share that I am Faleya Gossiquin, Dayordra Aligned Roguish Benefactor.

[BHK1978]

As others have said, Anti seems to me to be very reactive over being on the list. Could be Anti is town and pissed off that he was put on the list in the first place. Or it could be he is Scum and pissed off that someone caught him so early in the game.

In regards to the MJD thing, well he could have been framed like he said. Or we could have a repeat of what happened to Gonvick in the previous game. Or he could really be Scum.

So much to think over right now, there is a case for both guys but right now I am not sure which one I think should be lynched. If someone claims to have an investigation result I tend to trust them.

However, like DJ said I was burned in the last game for trusting that and MLT burned me in another game where she faked claimed being an investigator and I defended her (Mainly because I feel that if you are fake clamining an investigator role early in the game...well that is ballsy.). So I am not sure if I am going to just blindly believe an investigation result just because someone claims it.

I will have to think this one over before or if I drop a vote on someone.

[mjdgoldeneye]

So in every game with an early scum result you advocate lynching that player even though you remember the astonishingly high rate of false positives, but now that it's you with the result against we should focus on the false positive possibility and just move on?

Funny how that never seems like a reasonable course of action to you when the result is on someone else. One might almost think you'd like us to use a different standard for you than you use for others

Hey, I had recently realized the pattern and became enlightened. :D

[gonvick]

Not really more likely, just pretty likely. Framers are common and I was controversial on Day 1. I think that if there was a framer, it'd be likely that he or she would target me. I think that's fairly logical.

There's also possibly shenanigans. I am almost certain I'm not a secret miller, but there's the threat of bus drivers or any sort of non-archetypal role at work here.

I can't blame you for looking into me or expecting more info, but I don't think anything is ironclad.

I'll share that I am Faleya Gossiquin, Dayordra Aligned Roguish Benefactor.

Care to share who you targeted last night or what you were targeting them for?

[Antithesis]

Care to share who you targeted last night or what you were targeting them for?

Hey Gonvick check this out


He stood in the darkness, peering out into the night. He had no idea that he was surrounded by others. The glow of a blade would catch someone’s attention however.


“Like, listen and stuff. We should totally, like, be cool to each other and stuff. So can you, like, totally take a chill and think this over?”


She was caught off guard by the hidden presence. Unsure of what to do she dropped the blade and ran off.



MJ says he didnt do anything useful last night.

Rogue.. blade

Look what the role blocker (or protector) says...

"we should totally, like, be cool to each other"

Wouldn't scum want to like, be totally cool with the SK?

[Ranson]

You left right after the fun started. No opinion on MJD apparently being non town aligned?

Here's my reasoning on that. Given the loud, public, and well-experienced members playing, I expect them to be targeted at night much more frequently than, say, me. This list would include people like Astil and MJD. So, given that these people are likely to be targeted by everyone and their cousin on night one, I frankly expect any given day one result to be the result of a framer who was busdriven away from a watcher who got investigated while being protected from the mason serial killer. And that the whole mess only started with two original targets.

(And yes, I know that particular sequence of events doesn't quite make sense, but I'm sure everyone knows what I mean.)

Essentially, a night one result on someone who's observably almost certain to be multiply targeted by both scum and town on night one? I'll take that with a grain of salt. Posting behavior and writeup analysis is worth more until some of those night 1 results can be followed up on.

[Antithesis]

Here's my reasoning on that. Given the loud, public, and well-experienced members playing, I expect them to be targeted at night much more frequently than, say, me. This list would include people like Astil and MJD. So, given that these people are likely to be targeted by everyone and their cousin on night one, I frankly expect any given day one result to be the result of a framer who was busdriven away from a watcher who got investigated while being protected from the mason serial killer. And that the whole mess only started with two original targets.

(And yes, I know that particular sequence of events doesn't quite make sense, but I'm sure everyone knows what I mean.)

Essentially, a night one result on someone who's observably almost certain to be multiply targeted by both scum and town on night one? I'll take that with a grain of salt. Posting behavior and writeup analysis is worth more until some of those night 1 results can be followed up on.

Did you like my recent write up analysis?

Would someone "roguish" carry a blade? Doesnt it seem as though a blade user was blocked, and wasn't 'roguish' MJD saying before how he didn't do anything useful last night, and has yet been unable to account for his targets or night actions?

[Antithesis]

Did you like my recent write up analysis?

Would someone "roguish" carry a blade? Doesnt it seem as though a blade user was blocked, and wasn't 'roguish' MJD saying before how he didn't do anything useful last night, and has yet been unable to account for his targets or night actions?

Given that I can certainly understand your desire to keep your vote on me.


Next question is for everyone... was that really a roleblock in the write up, or a protector dissuading someone from attacking their target?

[Antithesis]

Either SK targetted the Don, and Don was protected

"we should be cool with each other" as in they are all scum

or

SK targetted a popular male townie target who was protected, the SK is Daydrorian (sp) but off his rocker.

"we should be cool with each other" as in we are Daydrorian, the real threat are the Dark Stars.


BTW I never actually believed that scene was a roleblock, I did want to see how far MLT wanted to go with that interpretation though.

I mean it could be a roleblock, but why add that little bit of dialogue... its a clue.

[Ranson]

Did you like my recent write up analysis?

Would someone "roguish" carry a blade? Doesnt it seem as though a blade user was blocked, and wasn't 'roguish' MJD saying before how he didn't do anything useful last night, and has yet been unable to account for his targets or night actions?

I think it's an over-analysis of the facts (and assumed facts, such as his roleclaim) in evidence, but I'll certainly throw out props if it turns out to be right.

To be clear, I'm not saying I don't think MJD isn't scum (I'm quite undecided on that point), I'm just saying that I'm not weighting information the same as you apparently are at this point. I think your behavior is far scummier at this point, which I'm currently putting more weight on at this point of the game. Given that your defense has mostly been "Hey, look over there, what about him!?", I'm not seeing much to change my mind.

Also, regarding the latest bit of analysis, I'd be more inclined to see the protector/roleblocker as more of a freakin' hippie than automatically assume "Hey, we're on the same team here." I read it as, "Hey, man, be cool, there's no need to harsh on someone with a knife. We can all be excellent with each other."

[Arrows]

Here's my reasoning on that. Given the loud, public, and well-experienced members playing, I expect them to be targeted at night much more frequently than, say, me. This list would include people like Astil and MJD. So, given that these people are likely to be targeted by everyone and their cousin on night one, I frankly expect any given day one result to be the result of a framer who was busdriven away from a watcher who got investigated while being protected from the mason serial killer. And that the whole mess only started with two original targets.

(And yes, I know that particular sequence of events doesn't quite make sense, but I'm sure everyone knows what I mean.)

Essentially, a night one result on someone who's observably almost certain to be multiply targeted by both scum and town on night one? I'll take that with a grain of salt. Posting behavior and writeup analysis is worth more until some of those night 1 results can be followed up on.

/nod

Yeah because I havent been voicing my suspicions about MJ since D1 :rolleyes:

Are you in a Mason group with MLT and MJ? Say Noble aligned or something like that? That would explain Destiny's result and all this focus on me.

I am not in a mason group with the two of them.

[Antithesis]

I think MJ's play now with "Roguish Benefactor" is to claim town Vig

MJD- Female
Blade User Female

he hasn't wanted to account for his actions N1 because he'll say they were incriminating but gee golly guys, he really is Dayordra aligned, he's just a vig who eitehr decided to kill N1 (which is just stupid, sorry) or who has to kill and had the good luck to be blocked but bad luck to be framed.

The kill target may have been Wallbanger. Given character gender and fact that Banger is a popular N1 target and write up matches that.

Wallbanger happens to be on MLT's list.

Surely I am not the only person seeing where all this is going.

[gonvick]

Hey Gonvick check this out




MJ says he didnt do anything useful last night.

Rogue.. blade

Look what the role blocker (or protector) says...

"we should totally, like, be cool to each other"

Wouldn't scum want to like, be totally cool with the SK?

Frankly, I'm more interested in why you've consistently identified that as the SK and not a mafia hitman. Seems like maybe you know more about it than an innocent townie should.

[Destiny]

I think MJ's play now with "Roguish Benefactor" is to claim town Vig

MJD- Female
Blade User Female

he hasn't wanted to account for his actions N1 because he'll say they were incriminating but gee golly guys, he really is Dayordra aligned, he's just a vig who eitehr decided to kill N1 (which is just stupid, sorry) or who has to kill and had the good luck to be blocked but bad luck to be framed.

The kill target may have been Wallbanger. Given character gender and fact that Banger is a popular N1 target and write up matches that.

Wallbanger happens to be on MLT's list.

Surely I am not the only person seeing where all this is going.

/nod. moon_lit_tears has also been very quiet since I revealed the result on mjdgoldeneye.

[Arrows]

/nod. moon_lit_tears has also been very quiet since I revealed the result on mjdgoldeneye.

She's at, wanting to say a wedding? Something like that. She mentioned it in the thread. Way to fail making someone look scummy though.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Anti's really out for me... Is he twisting things extra hard or is it just me?

1. I also said I was out last night. I wouldn't use a vig power on Night 1. (Actually, after typing that, I would. I would probably target Astil. I can see how someone would suggest that because I warned Astil he would be a target of vigs. However, you never even suggested this most logic idea, so it means nothing.) I DEFINITELY wouldn't kill 'Banger, one of our best players, without any reason on NIGHT 1. He barely even said anything during the day...

2. That's not what I was going to claim because, well, it isn't true.

3. How the hell does "roguish" suggest "blade"?

4. For that matter, how does "benefactor" lend itself to a killing role?

Anti's trying to fit a square block into a round hole and it appears that he doesn't really care who knows it... :p

I would ease some worries and say who I targeted, but saying so may imply my ability. I am not sharing my ability today and I hope you'll have it. I AM aware of the potential result on me, but I've shared a fair bit and there's just as many questions on Destiny's side as remains on my side now.

At this point, I trust the concerns of Gonvick and Destiny and the like, but the attention I've gotten from Anti and, less so, others makes me question how much of the pressure is good-natured.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Before I get claims of "You'd kill 'Banger if you were scum!", well, no. :p

Anyone who has been scum understands the unwritten "Derek, 'Banger, etc. are too popular to kill Night 1" rule.

Besides, in this case, you'd be taking some of the stuff I've said as truth and filling in the holes you don't agree with with stuff that makes me look bad. That's dishonest and logically irrelevant.

[Astil]

I can see the Rougish and blade connection.

Are we certain scum killed TBP?

[Astil]

Well...I'm the miller.

MJD came up non-'town'

and Destiny's result is consistent to what my PM says 'You will come up non-Dayordra aligned'

Change Vote: MJDGoldeneye

[Destiny]

mjdgoldeneye, is there any flavour (FLAVA~~~) in your role PM that makes you think you might come up as non-Dayordran when looked into?

[moon_lit_tears]

Jut got home, and open bar which means i"m pretty lit right now..

I was at a wedding, as Arrows has stated I put in the thread earlier, and have spoken of in the past few days so :p

Anyway I can't focus on anything, so I'm going to lay donw.

[gonvick]

I would ease some worries and say who I targeted, but saying so may imply my ability. I am not sharing my ability today and I hope you'll have it. I AM aware of the potential result on me, but I've shared a fair bit and there's just as many questions on Destiny's side as remains on my side now.

At this point, I trust the concerns of Gonvick and Destiny and the like, but the attention I've gotten from Anti and, less so, others makes me question how much of the pressure is good-natured.

You really expect to survive the day phase without revealing your ability, or something of equal value? Does that ever happen in this situation?

If all I have to base a decision on is Destiny claiming to have investigated you and getting a non-town result, and you claiming to be town aligned, I'll have no problem voting to lynch you today.

There are lots of ways this result could be wrong, but I need a reason to believe that beyond the mere possibility. I don't think a false result should be the default assumption here.

If you have an important role, that will suck to be revealed in such a manner, but it's better than getting lynched. And you've said in the past that no one town role is so important that it can't be sacrificed, so I'm not liking the 'I am not sharing my ability today' play. Too scummy not to lynch.

That's not to say that I haven't found Anti's involvement in this scummy as well, but as far as I know you could both be scum of different alignments so it's not enough for me to ignore the result

[i effin rule]

It is now D2, you have until 11:00pm EST on Sunday, April 29th to reach a majority vote for lynch. Majority is 11.

mjdgoldeneye: 5 (Destiny, eayragt, Antithesis, djthefunkchris, Astil)
Antithesis: 4 (Arrows, Mr T Jobs to Me, mjdgoldeneye, Ranson)

[Ranson]

Frankly, I'm more interested in why you've consistently identified that as the SK and not a mafia hitman. Seems like maybe you know more about it than an innocent townie should.

Reading back, I'll step up in agreeing with this assumption. The blocked kill was with a knife, while the other kill was a bright light apparently disintegrating the target from above. Given that the opening writeup described similar weapons being used by the invaders, I'm inclined to think that the completed kill is the scum kill.

[Astil]

My votes gone :(

[mjdgoldeneye]

Well...I'm the miller.

MJD came up non-'town'

and Destiny's result is consistent to what my PM says 'You will come up non-Dayordra aligned'

Change Vote: MJDGoldeneye

Did you actually read what we've been saying? :p

This has been addressed or is kind of obvious.

mjdgoldeneye, is there any flavour (FLAVA~~~) in your role PM that makes you think you might come up as non-Dayordran when looked into?

No, I said this.

You really expect to survive the day phase without revealing your ability, or something of equal value? Does that ever happen in this situation?

Yes. It happens all the time. It's infuriating. Usually I'm the only one pushing for an info-or-lynch scenario and when I get my way I'm usually wrong.

I have no qualms of trying to get away with not sharing because I KNOW I'm town.

If all I have to base a decision on is Destiny claiming to have investigated you and getting a non-town result, and you claiming to be town aligned, I'll have no problem voting to lynch you today.

There are lots of ways this result could be wrong, but I need a reason to believe that beyond the mere possibility. I don't think a false result should be the default assumption here.

If you have an important role, that will suck to be revealed in such a manner, but it's better than getting lynched. And you've said in the past that no one town role is so important that it can't be sacrificed, so I'm not liking the 'I am not sharing my ability today' play. Too scummy not to lynch.

That's not to say that I haven't found Anti's involvement in this scummy as well, but as far as I know you could both be scum of different alignments so it's not enough for me to ignore the result

Arrghrgrhgrghghrh, you're too logical.

My character is beguiling. They have charisma out the wazoo.

I target a player at night and I convince them to contribute to the Dayordra cause or just distract them. It's based on the character and the circumstance.

If I get them to contribute, they spare some of whatever resources they possess (tangible or skills wise) and I learn of what they provided. If they're not easily convinced, I just spend the night beseeching their help, effectively blocking them.

They're a good-natured gypsy swindler type. The way things are worded, there's really no reason why I would say I'd come up as non-Dayordra. Maybe it's the Jman effect and I'm unwilling to consider it. The fact that Astil claimed miller also seems to support that I'm not one. However, we don't know that Astil is a truth teller.

[Arrows]

effectively blocking them.

SAW IT COMING.

[Wallbanger]

SAW IT COMING.

You'd have to be blind not to have.

[Arrows]

You'd have to be blind not to have.

Was it that obvious he was gonna claim the blocker?

It just, rounds out this entire situation perfectly, I think.

[Wallbanger]

Was it that obvious he was gonna claim the blocker?

It just, rounds out this entire situation perfectly, I think.

/nod

So like, who did Valley Girl totally psych out?

[Antithesis]

Frankly, I'm more interested in why you've consistently identified that as the SK and not a mafia hitman. Seems like maybe you know more about it than an innocent townie should.

Because SK's kill with blades, not beams of light....

[Arrows]

Because SK's kill with blades, not beams of light....

If you're town, I give ya this warning now.

Don't. Expect. Normal.:p

[Antithesis]

If you're town, I give ya this warning now.

Don't. Expect. Normal.:p

True, but in N0 its the Dark Stars who are blasting people in the write up. When I play mafia I dont ever expect normalcy, I do however, expect consistency.

[Arrows]

True, but in N0 its the Dark Stars who are blasting people in the write up. When I play mafia I dont ever expect normalcy, I do however, expect consistency.

I'd just dreamt up some concept of how it was possible to be the other way around, like, 10 minutes ago. As the fog fades, I realize I should probably let you have this one. Don't even know if I could logically explain it in words.:(

[Antithesis]

I'd just dreamt up some concept of how it was possible to be the other way around, like, 10 minutes ago. As the fog fades, I realize I should probably let you have this one. Don't even know if I could logically explain it in words.:(

Let me ask this. If MJD is not lying and he is the roleblocker then

1) What is the purpose of MLT's list beyond being fluff?

2) Why would MJD wait until now to say it? Actually he still hasnt said who it was he blocked.

[Arrows]

Let me ask this. If MJD is not lying and he is the roleblocker then

1) What is the purpose of MLT's list beyond being fluff?

2) Why would MJD wait until now to say it? Actually he still hasnt said who it was he blocked.

Maybe her list has nothing to do with the blocker? Maybe she saw someone doing something else? Might have seen the actual killer? *Shrug* I have no clue what it's about. It could be a bluff to get everyone talking. Wouldn't be the first time. Just hopeful we don't get a repeat.

As for MJD, I'm of two ways about this situation. A part of me understands EXACTLY what you're saying. I really do. You make some decent points. Neither side's really done the best job presenting itself in my eyes.

Here's the thing, and I hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way. Not a shot at MJD at all. The role he claimed, isn't one I think he'd come up with. It IS a role I could see IER coming up with though. I can't help but believe that's his role, based on this.

[Antithesis]

K, well I'll get this party started.

You three, give me a reason to keep my vote off you.

eayragt
Wallbanger
Antithesis

Thats three odd picks, given 5 or so people have posted even less than I.

Since you pointed out that someone using a knife was likely blocked, why not ask for the roleblocker to come out and tell us who a good SK candidate is. Thats the logical thing to do.

Then again maybe you think said roleblocker is scum. If so, why would you think that, unless they are on your team.

Also I'd add that generally, since there is so little info given during most D1's the N1 actions tend to follow from what is out there. To wit I'd argue that maybe TBP targetted Astil or MJ based on D1 events. Given the write up of TBP's death it is entirely possible that TBP's voyeur was killed by the person he targetted. Course that could just be IER's choice of wording, but then again, we do have write ups for a reason.

As for me, my character is female and thats all I'll share for now. I am quite happy to appear suspicious as I'm town aligned and doubt I'll get lynched based on one player throwing out random names, but suspicion is good, as it means I'll probably survive another night phase.

Hooray for me.

And oh yeah.

Vote mjdgoldeneye

If you were the roleblocker and town would you step forward?

If you were scum and the roleblocker would you step forward?

I shouldn't have to ask a TOWN ROLEBLOCKER to step forward if they blocked a kill last night, no?

I'm going to give this some time. I asked a question VERY early in the phase that gives plenty of time to look other directions, plus it gets conversation started.

You get quite defensive on this one buddy. :)

/nod

Just so we know where I started to look scummy, yet in retrospect, all I said was what took us a day to get to.

I'm not saying anything until that is cleared up. What is poor about me directly quoting from another game showing the exact same mindset directed towards the exact same player during the exact same phase in a different game? If you call that poor, I call you scum. Nobody can legitimately call me out on that... :p

I'll be cooperative once people make clear exactly why I've been chosen to pursue, eh? You say "Meanwhile, MJD still hasn't given anything that I am aware of, but three names possibly chosen at random are more important than pursuing that I guess.", but how exactly have I NOT been chosen at random? Is it because you chose me? Do you need proof that I've always been hard to get info from or do I need to go spend 15 minutes getting evidence that will be ignored? :rolleyes: :p

I'll say that I'm female and went out last night, but didn't get anything useful done. You'll need to convince me to share more than that.

MJD roleblocker not doing anything useful at night.

[Antithesis]

Oh, I didn't even read MLT's list.

Considering I can point to that, I think eayragt and Anti are probably scum and probably together. I can say that with the confidence of someone randomly deflecting accusations, but that's how I feel right now. :p

Eayragt not being satisfied with my answers does not seem the least bit sincere. Anti considering me being pursued as an intrinsically valid option also sounds insincere.

Vote: Antithesis

Well I know he didn't vote for the person he supposedly blocked. I won't say why, incase he is actually scum and wants to lie, but I can prove it.

If he wants to say who he actually targetted, and maybe explain why, given all that, he decided to vote on me anyway instead of telling us all 'guys guys I might hvae blocked a killer' well, I will be waiting.

[bak42]

Well I know he didn't vote for the person he supposedly blocked. I won't say why, incase he is actually scum and wants to lie, but I can prove it.

If he wants to say who he actually targetted, and maybe explain why, given all that, he decided to vote on me anyway instead of telling us all 'guys guys I might hvae blocked a killer' well, I will be waiting.

I'm also confused as to why mjd would possibly block a killer and then sit on the info. That would be like if in the last game I had watched DJ's second death and then not revealed who did it.

[Antithesis]

I'm also confused as to why mjd would possibly block a killer and then sit on the info. That would be like if in the last game I had watched DJ's second death and then not revealed who did it.

The best explanation would be this

He's a scum roleblocker who blocked the SK.

Scum wouldn't want the SK dead D2, they need him to drop some bodies to win. So, he didnt mention or hint at it and tried his best to avoid it until it was discovered that he isnt town aligned.

Also fits the dialogue 'you should like, totally be with us' Mr. Knife wielding man....

Knowing MJD he'll probably say he forgot to read after page 2 and missed the whole write up or something like that.

[moon_lit_tears]

3) MLT just wants to change the subject.




WAIT A MINUTE

Anti...

Exactly what subject was I changing?

I WAS THE FIRST TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.



Yes it was partially messing with you about being defensive, but the more you respond the more I'm wondering exactly what you have in mind.

No I'm not the blocker, or maybe I am, or maybe I have nothing. You won't know till I want to let that go.

Point is...I'm not changing a subject. I started this discussion for the day. Anyone trying to change the subject are those who came on AFTER me and started questioning people.

I'm not changing the subject, I am clarifying it.
.


What? Really?

See, you are doing this all wrong, the context of the game isn't seperate from the player, in fact, it follows from it.

I know what my role is, ergo, I know she can't have a game based reason for putting my name out there, yet she did it anyway.

So lets ask why. Given my reactions in the past isn't it safe bet to assume this would happen? I'd go and post all this stuff and jump on her, as you pointed out in a past game and given your time with petrija you know very well how I react to MLT throwing my name in.

You say that there is a definite chance TBP may have targetted MJD but then drop his name and keep mentioing Astil, meanwhile your vote is on me. In part, I believe, to help provoke this.

I mean really, what other reason would you have to vote.

Are you and MLT in a group?
The only group I'm a part of is the town...


Thats silly. If she has a reason to list one or the both Banger and Eagragt then adding me at random doesn't serve any purpose but to cloud the issue. Which would be a good reason for me being so pointed, instead of supporting her wwasting time in how this has been done, you should be with me in calling her out on it.

Honestly, if you really were a town roleblocker and you knew who the SK was D2, is the best play really making up a list of names or just coming out and saying X is the SK, lets lynch him and almost insure a town victory.

So no, I don't think she is the blocker, I think she's trying to play it like she might be. And really there is no legit townie reason i can think of for that.

You have a hard on for the blocker it seems...Just sayin..



Oh, I didn't even read MLT's list.

Considering I can point to that, I think eayragt and Anti are probably scum and probably together. I can say that with the confidence of someone randomly deflecting accusations, but that's how I feel right now. :p

Eayragt not being satisfied with my answers does not seem the least bit sincere. Anti considering me being pursued as an intrinsically valid option also sounds insincere.

Vote: Antithesis

Mj Mj Mj.....

I'll need to convince you to give more information? OK, any reason why you should come up as non-Daydoria aligned? This is where I want votes on mjdgoldeneye added. djthefunkchris, you won by diary's prediction contest. PM me with a choice bro.

Interesting....

Yeah because I havent been voicing my suspicions about MJ since D1 :rolleyes:

Are you in a Mason group with MLT and MJ? Say Noble aligned or something like that? That would explain Destiny's result and all this focus on me.
Nope...

Either SK targetted the Don, and Don was protected

"we should be cool with each other" as in they are all scum

or

SK targetted a popular male townie target who was protected, the SK is Daydrorian (sp) but off his rocker.

"we should be cool with each other" as in we are Daydrorian, the real threat are the Dark Stars.


BTW I never actually believed that scene was a roleblock, I did want to see how far MLT wanted to go with that interpretation though.

I mean it could be a roleblock, but why add that little bit of dialogue... its a clue.

Could it be the scum roleblocked their own kill to make it look like they were doing good? It's a play I've seen done a FEW times.

/nod. moon_lit_tears has also been very quiet since I revealed the result on mjdgoldeneye.

Let me ask this. If MJD is not lying and he is the roleblocker then

1) What is the purpose of MLT's list beyond being fluff?

2) Why would MJD wait until now to say it? Actually he still hasnt said who it was he blocked.

So if MJ is the blocker I can't POSSIBLY HAVE ANY REASON TO LIST NAMES?

Is that what you're saying?

Just making sure all my ducks are in a row here.

[moon_lit_tears]

Woops forgot Destiny. :)

Destiny I was at a wedding today from 1:30-7pm, then came home posted a few things then went to sleep for a few hours. I had lots to drink and the wedding was difficult for me...I didn't disappear because of your result. Just letting you know that. :)

[Antithesis]

You have a hard on for the blocker it seems...Just sayin..



Mj Mj Mj.....







Could it be the scum roleblocked their own kill to make it look like they were doing good? It's a play I've seen done a FEW times.





So if MJ is the blocker....

... yes, if MJ is the blocker and either blocked the SK or a scum buddy then all your list accomplished was a distraction.

And the timing of it; distracting away from MJ I don't think was accidental. I mean, he certainly was happy to vote off of your made up list, unless you are now going to say you had some legit in game reason to list me, which I know you don't and knew you didn't from the moment I saw my name there.


Now
Now
NOWmaybe someone can see why I reacted the way I did. I am here to play and win, not post cute lil lists while putting on make up to get ready for a wedding.


Now lets see what your list will mean if MJ comes up scum to the folks who voted along with him.

[moon_lit_tears]

Is your sense of time warped?

My list was one of the first posts of the phase. How was that distracting from MJ when that came WAY later in the phase?

[Antithesis]

Is your sense of time warped?

My list was one of the first posts of the phase. How was that distracting from MJ when that came WAY later in the phase?

Because like half a dozen people didnt mention MJ being suspicious D1? Were you like drunk that entire phase or something?

[Arrows]

Because like half a dozen people didnt mention MJ being suspicious D1? Were you like drunk that entire phase or something?

MJ is ALWAYS called suspicious day one. Those posts mean next to nothing.

[moon_lit_tears]

Because like half a dozen people didnt mention MJ being suspicious D1? Were you like drunk that entire phase or something?


Really?

Day 1 leads seldom pan out.

I voted MJ day one...woohoo if he's scum that means I was on the right track day 1 with no lead to follow.

I is mafia goddess!

Because day 1 us all about pointing fingers and hitting scum each time.

[moon_lit_tears]

MJ is ALWAYS called suspicious day one. Those posts mean next to nothing.

It's okay. He has his panties in a bunch because of my list. :D.

Notice he's semi valley girl speak like right? :p

[Antithesis]

MJ is ALWAYS called suspicious day one. Those posts mean next to nothing.

Except, I guess, when they do.

Forgive me for being away for a while and forgetting all the current GDS mafia memes and cliches, but back when I used to play we pursued stuff, not wrote it off as x being x to spend our time discussing random names on a list. And then we walked to school through the snow.. uphill.. both ways!

I mean after my accident, after I was nearly dead, the Mafia gods did not rebuild me (because they have the technology) to come and play pattcake and make goo goo eyed kissy faces. I am here to win.

Am i the only one that remembers that? Playing to win. I remember when you were like that Arrows. So I give this link to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgSMxY6asoE

you're welcome.

[moon_lit_tears]

Playing to win=tunnel vision?

Getting conversation going and information out is a no no because someone had suspicion on Day 1....

[moon_lit_tears]

Just like to point out.

Bak was viewing the thread and didn't post..

[gonvick]

Was it that obvious he was gonna claim the blocker?

It just, rounds out this entire situation perfectly, I think.

/nod

So like, who did Valley Girl totally psych out?

Still not sure that's what he's claiming. But either way, I'd like some clarification. And an accounting of last night's target and result.

Here's the thing, and I hope this doesn't get taken the wrong way. Not a shot at MJD at all. The role he claimed, isn't one I think he'd come up with. It IS a role I could see IER coming up with though. I can't help but believe that's his role, based on this.

Of course, if he's non-SK scum then he has teammates that could have helped to come up with that, and plenty of time to have done it. It's not like he put it all out there right away or anything.

[Antithesis]

Playing to win=tunnel vision?

Getting conversation going and information out is a no no because someone had suspicion on Day 1....

What did I do to engender any sort of conversation about me? Did you use a random number generator or just list my name because you wanted to flirt or something?

Do you understand that some townies may have roles they don't want to talk about d2? And lets not forget that when asked you did not deny that you may have been the roleblocker, meaning you listing me wasn't just some aww shucks deal.

You could have been honest and said, no guys I'm not the role blocker this is just a list of random names, but now, you specifically left that part hanging.

Care to explain that move?

[Antithesis]

WAIT A MINUTE

Anti...

Exactly what subject was I changing?

I WAS THE FIRST TO PUT SOMETHING OUT THERE.



Yes it was partially messing with you about being defensive, but the more you respond the more I'm wondering exactly what you have in mind.

No I'm not the blocker, or maybe I am, or maybe I have nothing. You won't know till I want to let that go.

Point is...I'm not changing a subject. I started this discussion for the day. Anyone trying to change the subject are those who came on AFTER me and started questioning people.

Emphasis mine.

After the write up, you pointed out the possible block then listed your 3 names and banked off of that.

Now you want to pretend like it was just some innocent harmless thing

You either screwed up or worst case, wanted us to think you were the roleblocker to cover for the real one.

Now do you understand what you've done? Or will you admit you knew all along?

Which is it?

[moon_lit_tears]

What did I do to engender any sort of conversation about me? Did you use a random number generator or just list my name because you wanted to flirt or something?

Do you understand that some townies may have roles they don't want to talk about d2? And lets not forget that when asked you did not deny that you may have been the roleblocker, meaning you listing me wasn't just some aww shucks deal.

You could have been honest and said, no guys I'm not the role blocker this is just a list of random names, but now, you specifically left that part hanging.

Care to explain that move?

At this point, what reason do I have to tip my hand at all?

I NEVER claimed Roleblocker, giving a list doesn't make me a roleblocker, doesn't deny it either this is true, but YOU came to that conclusion not me.

[Arrows]

Still not sure that's what he's claiming. But either way, I'd like some clarification. And an accounting of last night's target and result.



Of course, if he's non-SK scum then he has teammates that could have helped to come up with that, and plenty of time to have done it. It's not like he put it all out there right away or anything.

Maybe it's just me.

Of the people I've seen host games here, there's a very small group who seem to go that extra little step to add the little details and make the world actually exist. I look forward to my roles in IER games more than any others, and he's yet to disappoint.

Of the people I've seen capture anything close, only one's playing in this game, and he ain't on MJD's side.

[Antithesis]

Maybe it's just me.

Of the people I've seen host games here, there's a very small group who seem to go that extra little step to add the little details and make the world actually exist. I look forward to my roles in IER games more than any others, and he's yet to disappoint.

Of the people I've seen capture anything close, only one's playing in this game, and he ain't on MJD's side.

Its entirely possible MJD's telling the truth, but it just means he misplayed this on an epic, award winning Botch of a scale if he is town.

But he should of gave his target by now, hell even if he's scum the time to bail on his target was when he claimed. Making people wait for him to say his target is silly at this point.

[djthefunkchris]

Maybe it's just me.

Of the people I've seen host games here, there's a very small group who seem to go that extra little step to add the little details and make the world actually exist. I look forward to my roles in IER games more than any others, and he's yet to disappoint.

Of the people I've seen capture anything close, only one's playing in this game, and he ain't on MJD's side.

Your absolutely sure about that? MJD's side? Meaning you think MJD is scum, or the other one is? Because his silence doesn't make him look any better, at least not to me.

Other's I would like to here from are Jaded, Jman2k3, and TheKenwyne.... as they are on the same (mental) list as the person you were referencing.