TEW2010 Developer's Journal Discussion

[BurningHamster]

I guess if you're going to develop a feature that gets around the stuff which should only happen to people over 16, you may as well set the minimum age low, if only to avoid the inevitable "can you lower the age from xx to xx? because this guy in this promotion actually debuted back in this year and right now I can't replicate it".

While I can't think of any need for five year olds in my fictional database, I do have a number of workers that should be around ten or so.. atm I've just been faking it, but it never quite sits right.

Actually I just had a brain jolt and remembered that Japan did or does have a "promotion" which is all pre-teen girls "wrestling". I think it was called Ice Ribbon or something. I also recall a small-time cult japanese promotion which had a really young girl as a creepy goth manager

Oh yeah I forgot about Ice Ribbon, Emi Sakura trained a bunch of little girls for some reason. I do remember that little goth girl too, she used to chokeslam people I think.

Now I am hoping the Cornellverse has a children's promotion just for the weirdness of it.

[Infernalmiko]

Actually I just had a brain jolt and remembered that Japan did or does have a "promotion" which is all pre-teen girls "wrestling". I think it was called Ice Ribbon or something. I also recall a small-time cult japanese promotion which had a really young girl as a creepy goth manager

This is partially true. Ice Ribbon ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mVpWlL8Nuw0&feature=related) is owned by Makoto (who used to do a scared goth gimmick and is 21). It's key feature would be comedy. It started as a kind of exercise program for young girls where veteran wrestler Emi Sakura would train them in pro wrestling as a physical fitness program. They occasionally had matches on gymnastics mats. But for the most party the pre-teen girls would just be there to cheer for Emi and occasionally be called in to all pile on top of someone to get the pin. Riho ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_CUXXN4cgg&feature=related) was the exception, she just turned 13 but has been involved in comedy matches for a few years now. The girl in the face paint at the end of the video is Ramu-chan ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RseGEw0sY1w) , 666's equivilant of Riho. This is probab ly the cult promotion you were talking about but she's mostly a wrestler. Ice Ribbon has been a real wrestling fed for a couple of years now but aside from Riho their wrestlers are in their teens or veterans from other promotions.

[BurningHamster]

Hey Infernal Miko, make another joshi mod.

[praguepride]

Ramu-chan hit da double 619 :D

Take that mysterio ;)

Actually, I think it was Riho had a halfway decent spinning DDT to a pin... pretty impressive if she's only 13

[nWoStyle]

The NWA umbrella promotion idea is a fantastic idea for realism! Japan also has something vaguely similiar with it's global professional wrestling alliance.
I think it would work out as having the 'NWA' being a sort of mass promotional pact, which can start with 2 or more promotions coming together to agree on and recognize a couple of shared championships (eg: NWA world, tag team), and can later invite other promotions to join or have other promotions wanting to join (to share in using the champion's services and the prestige the belt brings to the area). They don't nessisarily have to share workers outside of the champions, and they are allowed to have their own promotion specific belts.
It seems very do-able if broken down into basic building blocks of what the NWA actaully is: a loose affliation of promotions that share a common champion and a name, which has a prestige value that is equal to the highest prestige value of it's most over member. so when NWATNA started out as part of the NWA, the NWA as a whole had the same prestige as TNA, even if individual members (ie: NWA Wildside, etc) didn't have that same level of prestige. the name value itself would result in increases in overness of smaller promotions as the 'NWA' name is most represented by the most visible (and therefore over) member of the alliance.
I would imagine that the voting for a champion would begin with each member of the alliance picking a member of their roster (the AI would probably pick someone based on booking style of the booker, so it could be the best talker, wrestler, or most over person) and then put all the picks into a pool of candidates and picking the best one based on their preferences from there.
Now, deciding when and where the champion defends the title should be done on an advance booking basis, with the 'home' promotion of the champion having dibs on good dates. I would venture to say at least a month of booking is booked in advanced for the champion.
So the champion is a ppa w/ creative control (they know they remain champion unless otherwise voted so) on each member of the alliance's roster but only available on certain dates. the championship appears on each member's title page but cannot be vacated normally. the championship can be defended as many times as the promoter likes, but cannot do the title switch unless it is approved beforehand.

[Adam Ryland]

Please keep suggestions in the correct forum. For reference, the NWA system has been discussed to death, repeatedly, and is not "very do-able" - otherwise it'd be in the game.

[Infernalmiko]

I may do a joshi mod for 2010. I'm in the mood for it. Blame Wow for me not doing one for TEW2008. ^_^

If Riho decides to stick with wrestling, she could be really good. She can already chain moves together better than some older wrestlers.

[Waghlon]

You MUST do a joshi mod for 2010 :P

But that Riho girl. She's awesome. She really is...

[Adam Ryland]

Have to say my ONLY dissapointment is no monthly rankings (like in Pro Wrestling Illustrated), but hey Adam cant put everything in always otherwise they cant release any more TEW's!

Monthly rankings don't really make sense for TEW as the vast majority of workers only wrestle two or less matches per month. A yearly one works because it averages out over a large period of time, a monthly one would be too prone to extremes.

I'm hoping massively reduced loading times, greatly improved UI, and massive increase in database size are a given. Those are like the three auto changes in every new sim version. The UI changes have been mentioned a little bit(drag and drop booking, improved information screens). And the database size problems that specialized feds(like an MMA fed or Daredevil Fed) have are alievated by dojos. But no entry about loading times?

Loading times are slightly quicker, but not by a dramatic amount. As I already stated, TEW08 was running at near to optimal level, there is no room for a "massive" reduction.

[stratusfaction]

Wow! Adam you are a gaming god!

One thing I was wondering is will we have the option to search or filter by workers sexual preference?

I was wanting to start Hot Lesbian Action federation and it would be so much easier to be able to search and filter who is a lesbian and who isn't!

Just something little and kinda weird but still curious! :)

[PhenomenalPat]

Monthly rankings don't really make sense for TEW as the vast majority of workers only wrestle two or less matches per month. A yearly one works because it averages out over a large period of time, a monthly one would be too prone to extremes.

Has the rankings system been altered in anyway? I only ask cause the current is far too reliant on WHERE they work then how good they are. My example is after two years of my TNA game the awards came out and I had Angle, Styles, Joe and Lesner in the 40s of the top 100 workers list...they where the highest ranked guys in my promotion, which was international and actually of higher popularity then WWE in the States, WWE just had a stronger overseas popularity. It's cosmetic, but Lesner was tops in TNA at 41, and his match average for the whole year was a B+! He also held the TNA title for 10 of the 12 months of the year, yet WWE had midcard guys like Dreamer, Regal, Bourne and JTG ranked higher than anyone on my roster, despite none of them having match averages like my top guys.

Again, a minor detail, but one that always annoyed me abit. Not make or break, just curious if any tweaking was done to the year end rankings system.

[Adam Ryland]

Has the rankings system been altered in anyway? I only ask cause the current is far too reliant on WHERE they work then how good they are. My example is after two years of my TNA game the awards came out and I had Angle, Styles, Joe and Lesner in the 40s of the top 100 workers list...they where the highest ranked guys in my promotion, which was international and actually of higher popularity then WWE in the States, WWE just had a stronger overseas popularity. It's cosmetic, but Lesner was tops in TNA at 41, and his match average for the whole year was a B+! He also held the TNA title for 10 of the 12 months of the year, yet WWE had midcard guys like Dreamer, Regal, Bourne and JTG ranked higher than anyone on my roster, despite none of them having match averages like my top guys.

Again, a minor detail, but one that always annoyed me abit. Not make or break, just curious if any tweaking was done to the year end rankings system.

I suggest you save a game the day before the awards and use the Technical Support forum, and what you've written above is completely incorrect - the system isn't reliant on any of the factors you mentioned, it's purely on match ratings. If Lesnar is below JTG and his top ten matches for that year are significantly better then it's an error - although I find it hard to believe that you haven't missed something, as I've not heard of anybody else experiencing this.

[PhenomenalPat]

I suggest you save a game the day before the awards and use the Technical Support forum, and what you've written above is completely incorrect - the system isn't reliant on any of the factors you mentioned, it's purely on match ratings. If Lesnar is below JTG and his top ten matches for that year are significantly better then it's an error - although I find it hard to believe that you haven't missed something, as I've not heard of anybody else experiencing this.

Ok, then it could of just been a glich or something, the game is well past that point now, so it's not a big deal. My apologies on the assumption of knowing how it was factored, just what seemed to be the case based on that years list.

Thanks for the quick reply aswell.

[dvdWarrior]

My understanding is that you will see them in the game world instead of just magically appearing one day.

For instance.. You have Sean McFly & Victoria Stones child Lucy Stone-Mcfly currently aged 8(ish) who people have high hopes for just because of the pedigree. In the old game she magically appears one day and you can use her.

The new system would mean that you could keep an eye on the girl and know when she might finally debut.

And if you can use them when they are young, they could be used in feuds (divorce angle??)

One thing I didn't think about, (with the kids Under 16 thing), is the famous angle from ECW between Raven and The Sandman, the one involving The Sandman's son. That angle was one of my favorite of all time, (as well as one that I shamelessly ripped off... I mean, one I faithfully paid homage to - yeah, that's it - in the backstory of my own data).

Dunno how I could have forgotten that...

:o

[G-Prime]

And don't forget about Eddie and Chavo Guerrero wrestling during intermission at Gory's shows while they were little kids... Up until the grown-ups realised none of the fans were going to the concession stands during intermission because they were too busy watching Eddie and Chavo.

[RayW]

Reading about all this Under 16 stuff makes me feel like people are going to abuse it.

For example, the above post about Eddie and Chavo Guerrero. Sure, they were allowed to mess around during intermission at the age of 10 or whatever, and I can see a ton of modders now putting them into a game to debut at those ages.

The reality of it though is that Eddie didn't make his PRO debut until he was around the age of 19, and so he shouldn't, in my opinion, appear in any historical mod until he is at least 17 (just so that he can improve some before anyone big will even consider picking him up, although again another thing modders do is tend to give guys like him amazing stats from their debuts anyway).

Just all my opinion, though.

[dvdWarrior]

Well, there's always the potential for abuse with any feature in the game. All we can do is be careful, I guess. For this, I don't think it's too hard to find out when a worker officially debuted. Though I don't mess much with real world stuff, I do tend to be somewhat conservative with my editing.

Dunno about everyone else though...

:o

[TEWFan]

Then maybe we should make a post in the suggestions forum about having a "current rating" and a "peak rating" for each stat. Baseball and Basketball games (text-based sims) have employed this method and I think it could be beneficial for TEW as well. I really have no problem with the way the game is designed now, but after reading the last two posts this idea came into my head, so I guess I needed to post it.

[Donners]

Just on the Masks feature, if a worker wins a title under a mask, is the title linked to the mask or the worker?

For instance, can I do as TNA did, and have Christopher Daniels win the X Title as Suicide, then transfer the Suicide mask to Kaz and have him defend it?


Don't think this has been raised; apologies if it has.

[James Casey]

I would imagine you would have the title linked to the worker.

However, can you replace a singles champion in TEW? I've only replaced a tag champion before, so I don't know, but that could be your answer.

[masterded]

Then maybe we should make a post in the suggestions forum about having a "current rating" and a "peak rating" for each stat. Baseball and Basketball games (text-based sims) have employed this method and I think it could be beneficial for TEW as well. I really have no problem with the way the game is designed now, but after reading the last two posts this idea came into my head, so I guess I needed to post it.

If you are changing history, which is what you would be doing, then how could one, assume that their peak would be the same as it was in real life?

[Moe Hunter]

One thing I was wondering is will we have the option to search or filter by workers sexual preference?

I was wanting to start Hot Lesbian Action federation and it would be so much easier to be able to search and filter who is a lesbian and who isn't!

Well it's not like Angles check on sexuality... So you could have plenty of angles where the girls do raunchy stuff together, and it wouldn't matter if they're straight, bi or gay.

The only factor that I think would come into play is their conservative/liberal balance towards your heavily Risque product.

Just on the Masks feature, if a worker wins a title under a mask, is the title linked to the mask or the worker?

For instance, can I do as TNA did, and have Christopher Daniels win the X Title as Suicide, then transfer the Suicide mask to Kaz and have him defend it?


Don't think this has been raised; apologies if it has.

Speaking of Daniels... How about Los Conquistadors?

Los Conquistadors (Edge & Christian) beat the Hardyz for the tag belts.
The belts belonged to "Los Conquistadors", as E&C then challenged them (Aaron Aguilera & Christopher Daniels)
BUT the Hardyz pulled a switch and beat up Aguilera & Daniels backstage, coming out as Los Conquistadors themselves. When they won, Foley recognised the title change as being from Los Conquistadors to The Hardyz.

I guess it's actually perfectly simmable since Aguilera and Daniels were never in a match, so the game can just recognise that Edge & Christian won the tag titles "As Uno & Dos", then lost to The Hardyz.

The only thing that might not be simmable is transferring the masks mid-show. In (I believe) a pretaped segment after Los Conquistadors won, Edge and Christian appeared on screen with them and congratulated them on the win. I can't see this being strictly possible in-game.

[Jennie Bomb]

Then maybe we should make a post in the suggestions forum about having a "current rating" and a "peak rating" for each stat. Baseball and Basketball games (text-based sims) have employed this method and I think it could be beneficial for TEW as well. I really have no problem with the way the game is designed now, but after reading the last two posts this idea came into my head, so I guess I needed to post it.
There's a hidden "Potential" stat that changes from game to game (although it can be guided by settings in the database). This pretty much does what you want it to.

[TheEnforcer]

I Just want to thank Adam for all his hard work! Can't wait for the Demo!

[sprinklefurball]

Wow! Adam you are a gaming god!

One thing I was wondering is will we have the option to search or filter by workers sexual preference?

I was wanting to start Hot Lesbian Action federation and it would be so much easier to be able to search and filter who is a lesbian and who isn't!

Just something little and kinda weird but still curious! :)

I'm assuming you can do that in the exported spreadsheet at least.

[YBDynamo]

Masks: New to the series, TEW2010 gives the option for workers to be masked. People can be masked or unmasked during the game (including after matches using a new Unmask road agent note), masks can be owned by workers or promotions, workers can have multiple masks in use (to simulate different characters in different promotions), and the prestige of a mask can increase over time.

Under 16: Workers can now be added to the game world down to as low as 5 years old. There are checks and blocks in place to stop odd things happening (like them getting married) and so that there stats don't become incredible due to the "extra time" they get in the game world.

Ageing Luchadores: To be more realistic, luchadores will now wrestle longer than normal, simulating the "keep going until you drop" mentality that is present in reality.

All that just screams to me ¡Mucha Lucha! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucha_Lucha)

Hehe, the Buenachet All-Stars will reign supreme :)

[NickC13573]

All that just screams to me ¡Mucha Lucha! (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mucha_Lucha)

Hehe, the Buenachet All-Stars will reign supreme :)

you just gave me a super idea for a diary

[WCK604]

The national trends is probably the best realistic update to the game imo. It'll be interesting to see certain unstable trends becoming really popular and being able to capitalize on them.

[thedraem41]

Regarding the mask feature, I'm thinking the title would be linked to the mask. The description made it sound like masks could be owned by promotions, so if someone won a title under a mask that "mask" would be the champion.

Or maybe it's linked to the worker..who knows.

With the ages being reduced things such as two workers having a baby could be introduced and they could join the universe right away. I wonder if a hidden feature like that is in place for in-game marriages.

[sprinklefurball]

Two things I can think of on the whole kids debate.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nwf+kids&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=raven+tyler+sandman&search_type=&aq=f

[RayW]

Two things I can think of on the whole kids debate.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=nwf+kids&search_type=&aq=f

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=raven+tyler+sandman&search_type=&aq=f

I wouldn't consider the NWF a real promotion, and I doubt that in TEW10 you can set a promotions product to only hire workers under the age of 16, and so in my opinion, if a kids promotion can not be correctly simulated, then these kids shouldn't be in the game.

As for the kids in angles argument, yeah, sure you got Sandman's kid in ECW, Reid Flair coming in on WCW TV for a while, etc. but should they be in the game to compensate for ONE angle/storyline? Have they ever been seen since? Do they warrant taking up loading time in a mod to serve the purpose of "Well they did make an appearence once, ya'know, like Mr T ... OH YEAH LET'S PUT HIM IN TOO!"

[Jaded]

As for the kids in angles argument, yeah, sure you got Sandman's kid in ECW, Reid Flair coming in on WCW TV for a while, etc. but should they be in the game to compensate for ONE angle/storyline? Have they ever been seen since? Do they warrant taking up loading time in a mod to serve the purpose of "Well they did make an appearence once, ya'know, like Mr T ... OH YEAH LET'S PUT HIM IN TOO!"

If people don't want them in mods, they can delete them. The point of the feature isn't to replicate certain appearances exactly - it's to add to the amount of stuff that's possible. No doubt you WILL get some modmakers putting in every wrestler's child in the world today, or at least trying to - no doubt also that the top level modmakers out there, at least, will use the feature sensibly.

Plus, Tommy Cornell Jr can now take part in angles when Wolf Hawkins starts an affair with his mother. :)

[Hive]

Regarding the mask feature, I'm thinking the title would be linked to the mask. The description made it sound like masks could be owned by promotions, so if someone won a title under a mask that "mask" would be the champion.

I interpreted the "promotion can own a mask" sort of like NJPW owning Black Tiger or TNA owning Suicide or WWF owning Doink... and so on.

[Hive]

"Well they did make an appearence once, ya'know, like Mr T ... OH YEAH LET'S PUT HIM IN TOO!"

Actually, Mr. T made at least 5 wrestling appearances - and I for one find it perfectly reasonable to have him in a mod. :)

[RayW]

Actually, Mr. T made at least 5 wrestling appearances - and I for one find it perfectly reasonable to have him in a mod. :)

I find it perfectly reasonable to see him in a mod that is bas in the 1980's, but when I see him in modern day mods, or even one's based in the mid-to-late 90's, it's rather annoying. The game isn't built to acommodate the Mr. T's, David Arquette's, or Mike Tyson's. Otherwise we'd have a celebrity section in the database.

[Kainlock]

Otherwise we'd have a celebrity section in the database.

celebrity section in the database......brilliant!!

[djthefunkchris]

I think some of the features actually are thinking of fictional mods as much as any real mods, such as the age restriction thing.

An example off the top of my head is Teen Titan's or bassically just Robin in a mod like the Over 9000 verse. I think he was something like 8 or 9 when first teamed in the comics.

Just something to think about before getting too fussy about age debuts and such. Not to mention that there were plenty of debuts that you cannot simulate in historical mods, because of the age restriction on debuts in the past.

[Derek B]

I think some of the features actually are thinking of fictional mods as much as any real mods, such as the age restriction thing.

An example off the top of my head is Teen Titan's or bassically just Robin in a mod like the Over 9000 verse. I think he was something like 8 or 9 when first teamed in the comics.

Just something to think about before getting too fussy about age debuts and such. Not to mention that there were plenty of debuts that you cannot simulate in historical mods, because of the age restriction on debuts in the past.

Honestly, when it comes to mods that aren't based in wrestling I don't believe Adam gives a monkey's. TEW is a wrestling game/sim so any mod that brings in influences beyond that are totally irrelevant to what he is making.

As fun as mods like Crayon's and panix's are, they seem to have 0 relevant to the development process as far as I've seen. :)

[justtxyank]

I find it perfectly reasonable to see him in a mod that is bas in the 1980's, but when I see him in modern day mods, or even one's based in the mid-to-late 90's, it's rather annoying. The game isn't built to acommodate the Mr. T's, David Arquette's, or Mike Tyson's. Otherwise we'd have a celebrity section in the database.

He spent time with WCW in like 1995, working as a manager, special referee, and even wrestled a match.

[Jennie Bomb]

I find it perfectly reasonable to see him in a mod that is bas in the 1980's, but when I see him in modern day mods, or even one's based in the mid-to-late 90's, it's rather annoying. The game isn't built to acommodate the Mr. T's, David Arquette's, or Mike Tyson's. Otherwise we'd have a celebrity section in the database.
Arquette is a former WCW Champion. If only for the sake of completeness, I'd include him.

[Remianen]

Workers shooting is both terrifying and intriguing. I see that being VERY interesting in-game. Better be careful who you give a live mic to.

You have no idea (but you will). This all dovetails nicely with the increased emphasis on backstage management. Keep your people happy or they can make you sorry. :)

[TEWFan]

The celebrity section is not such a bad idea...I bet Vince Russo would be happy indeed. I wonder when we will see Freddie Prinze Jr as TNA World Champion :p

But honestly, I think the game is just great the way it is. Instead of nitpicking and coming up with crazy ideas (a children's wrestling promotion? *Miz Voice* Seriously? No, Seriously!?) we should be thankful Adam has put on such a lot of new stuff into the game. I for one, can hardly wait until the 25th!

[RayW]

He spent time with WCW in like 1995, working as a manager, special referee, and even wrestled a match.
I still don't think celebrities have a place in TEW, but that's personal preference, I suppose. You'll keep them in, I'll delete them.

Arquette is a former WCW Champion. If only for the sake of completeness, I'd include him.
You want someone added to the game simply to show that he held a title once, then did nothing else for/in the wrestling business? I think simply adding him to the title linage would suffice.

[Cold Cobra]

After completing my quick excel file on who in my database needs to be bald and who needs a mask, I just want to check that masks is something that can be mass-edited, otherwise I'm in for some tedious hours...

I already know that the baldness isn't a problem as it was the example given in the journal, but I just want to know what awaits me on Wednesday (and if the answer is "no it isn't, then what awaits me Wednesday, Thursday and Friday... and quite a bit of the weekend probably...)

[MrCanada]

Then maybe we should make a post in the suggestions forum about having a "current rating" and a "peak rating" for each stat. Baseball and Basketball games (text-based sims) have employed this method and I think it could be beneficial for TEW as well. I really have no problem with the way the game is designed now, but after reading the last two posts this idea came into my head, so I guess I needed to post it.

Mods are always full of complaints and grievances.

Every person who plays TEW doenst play it the same way. If Steve (I dont know who he is) wants AJ Styles to be perfect, let him. If Joe wants AJ to be horrendous, let him. I think a disturbing trend in TEW (and the internet all together, especially with wrestling it seems) is there are so many views of how something should be, but people seem to have a bit of a high & mighty outlook that "THIS IS HOW I THINK IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY! ANY OTHER WAY IS DUMB!". Now I'm not saying you are saying this at all. Or are like that at all, but your post simply put me in random rant mode about this thing that I see more and more often.

Why does it seem to be a problem to some people what people are going to abuse pre-set chemistry? Or have a 3 year old win the World title? What does it matter to you? (again, you isnt you, you is a generic term applied to people who tend to act kind of stuck up.) It kind of seems ludicrous to me. Adam is putting this features in for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To try and make the game as profitable as possible. Dont bullpoop yourself, its a business. And with online text-based-games, especially wrestling games as proven though EWR / TEW / Promotion Wars / whatever, editors and expansiveness are what is important to a lot of people. If the ability to have a 3 year old win a world title sells the game to 1 person. Mission accomplished. So many people always have issues with stuff like this, but all they have to do is DELETE said stuff (like it a celebrity in the game) or not use it. Clear pre-set chemistry. How had is that? People who WANT 3 year olds in the game cant just re-program the game to do it, but those who dont want three year olds can simply remove them from the data, or screw with the debut date. I dunno. I'm rambling.

[Bigpapa42]

I made the mistake of re-reading the Developer's Journal very carefully last night. I went from fairly amped and anticipating the game to almost desperate to play it. I had read each entry when it was done, but it pulls everything together so much to go through it all. Short of some massive changes to the CornellVerse that kill off every possible project plan I tentatively have, this game is going to take up way too much of my time... and likely even if there are those massive CV changes...

[sprinklefurball]

I wouldn't consider the NWF a real promotion, and I doubt that in TEW10 you can set a promotions product to only hire workers under the age of 16, and so in my opinion, if a kids promotion can not be correctly simulated, then these kids shouldn't be in the game.

As for the kids in angles argument, yeah, sure you got Sandman's kid in ECW, Reid Flair coming in on WCW TV for a while, etc. but should they be in the game to compensate for ONE angle/storyline? Have they ever been seen since? Do they warrant taking up loading time in a mod to serve the purpose of "Well they did make an appearence once, ya'know, like Mr T ... OH YEAH LET'S PUT HIM IN TOO!"

I don't really know much about it, the only reason I've ever heard of it is from netflix, when I was looking for wrestling.

[FINisher]

If I counted correctly, 'The Rest of the Best' had 106 smaller features in it. :o

Can't wait, can't wait.. I bet that the time from Wednesday 20th to Monday 25th will be a lot harder and longer than the wait from today to Wednesday.. :p

[Bigpapa42]

If I counted correctly, 'The Rest of the Best' had 106 smaller features in it. :o

Can't wait, can't wait.. I bet that the time from Wednesday 20th to Monday 25th will be a lot harder and longer than the wait from today to Wednesday.. :p

No for me. Having the game in front of me, even not being a full version, will give me plenty to do. Tinker with new features, explore the CornellVerse, and make plans for games and/or diaries. Right now, nada.

[dvdWarrior]

No for me. Having the game in front of me, even not being a full version, will give me plenty to do. Tinker with new features, explore the CornellVerse, and make plans for games and/or diaries. Right now, nada.

Not to mentioning editing. Just playing with the editor alone would be enough to keep me busy till the 25th.

[Gigas]

Dont forget the surprise early release last year of the full version. Heres to a repeat.

[dvdWarrior]

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if it'll be possible to book the actual falls in 2/3 falls matches and most falls matches? Just wondering, think it'd be nice to be able to have a wrestler win 2 out of 3 falls without having to use the 'Dominate' agent's note.

:o

[YBDynamo]

No for me. Having the game in front of me, even not being a full version, will give me plenty to do. Tinker with new features, explore the CornellVerse, and make plans for games.

I second that, after all I have to fine-tune the databases I play, so I will probably from the 20th to early next month spend time just doin that stuff. It's hard work to go through over a 1,000 workers and make sure stuff is correct to me as I'm sure many a mod-maker would agree

[Candyman]

No for me. Having the game in front of me, even not being a full version, will give me plenty to do. Tinker with new features, explore the CornellVerse, and make plans for games and/or diaries. Right now, nada.

Agreed. For me, those five days are going to FLY by. I want to play a month with every promotion in the game, explore the new features, discover all the new Incidents, and just pour over all the changes made to the Cornellverse.

[Huntman]

Oh god. I have so many things to do once I get the game. I'll have to be "sick" the next two months.

After a rival company falls out. Buy their main title belt and rename it to

"FED Jobber Champion"

I can't wait...I can't wait for this.

[KingOfKings]

The faster these two days go by the better. There is so much I can do with this demo specifically because I can't get the full version until after a week it comes up. Planning storylines, browsing all the promotions, getting accustomed to all the new features should hold me over for a solid week

[Moe Hunter]

Oh god. I have so many things to do once I get the game. I'll have to be "sick" the next two months.

After a rival company falls out. Buy their main title belt and rename it to

"FED Jobber Champion"

I can't wait...I can't wait for this.

Minister Whitey (who some people will remember from Mafia) bought out SWF in the TEW07 game we ran, and renamed their World title to "Dance on the Grave", and proceeded to throw it around randomly on whims. Fun times :)

[Huntman]

Haha awesome title name

[Tweek It]

I'm going to try to stick with a C-Verse diary until GDS-Verse comes out. I enjoyed my last GDS-Verse game until my computer messed up. After I got this new one, I just never really reinstalled TEW08 after I found out about TEW10

[Blackman]

lol @ whole conservative vs liberal discussion.

It's not like The Force is gonna run for president, is he?

DAMN RIGHT HE IS :D

[Halo]

Mods are always full of complaints and grievances.

Every person who plays TEW doenst play it the same way. If Steve (I dont know who he is) wants AJ Styles to be perfect, let him. If Joe wants AJ to be horrendous, let him. I think a disturbing trend in TEW (and the internet all together, especially with wrestling it seems) is there are so many views of how something should be, but people seem to have a bit of a high & mighty outlook that "THIS IS HOW I THINK IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY! ANY OTHER WAY IS DUMB!". Now I'm not saying you are saying this at all. Or are like that at all, but your post simply put me in random rant mode about this thing that I see more and more often.

Why does it seem to be a problem to some people what people are going to abuse pre-set chemistry? Or have a 3 year old win the World title? What does it matter to you? (again, you isnt you, you is a generic term applied to people who tend to act kind of stuck up.) It kind of seems ludicrous to me. Adam is putting this features in for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To try and make the game as profitable as possible. Dont bullpoop yourself, its a business. And with online text-based-games, especially wrestling games as proven though EWR / TEW / Promotion Wars / whatever, editors and expansiveness are what is important to a lot of people. If the ability to have a 3 year old win a world title sells the game to 1 person. Mission accomplished. So many people always have issues with stuff like this, but all they have to do is DELETE said stuff (like it a celebrity in the game) or not use it. Clear pre-set chemistry. How had is that? People who WANT 3 year olds in the game cant just re-program the game to do it, but those who dont want three year olds can simply remove them from the data, or screw with the debut date. I dunno. I'm rambling.

I pretty much agree with everything you said.

[Jennie Bomb]

Mods are always full of complaints and grievances.

Every person who plays TEW doenst play it the same way. If Steve (I dont know who he is) wants AJ Styles to be perfect, let him. If Joe wants AJ to be horrendous, let him. I think a disturbing trend in TEW (and the internet all together, especially with wrestling it seems) is there are so many views of how something should be, but people seem to have a bit of a high & mighty outlook that "THIS IS HOW I THINK IT SHOULD BE THIS WAY! ANY OTHER WAY IS DUMB!". Now I'm not saying you are saying this at all. Or are like that at all, but your post simply put me in random rant mode about this thing that I see more and more often.

Why does it seem to be a problem to some people what people are going to abuse pre-set chemistry? Or have a 3 year old win the World title? What does it matter to you? (again, you isnt you, you is a generic term applied to people who tend to act kind of stuck up.) It kind of seems ludicrous to me. Adam is putting this features in for 1 reason and 1 reason only. To try and make the game as profitable as possible. Dont bullpoop yourself, its a business. And with online text-based-games, especially wrestling games as proven though EWR / TEW / Promotion Wars / whatever, editors and expansiveness are what is important to a lot of people. If the ability to have a 3 year old win a world title sells the game to 1 person. Mission accomplished. So many people always have issues with stuff like this, but all they have to do is DELETE said stuff (like it a celebrity in the game) or not use it. Clear pre-set chemistry. How had is that? People who WANT 3 year olds in the game cant just re-program the game to do it, but those who dont want three year olds can simply remove them from the data, or screw with the debut date. I dunno. I'm rambling.

The ability to have three years olds win titles isn't going to be in the game. The age limit starts at 5. So, those people who want three year olds all over the place are going to be disappointed. :p

[TylerDrew]

I am so very, very jacked. Adam makes every game a real sequel and I find it awesome there is a a studio out there in GDS who has games that are more thoughtful than "Anti-Hero shoots aliens with giants guns." or "Anti-Hero kills demons with gimmicky weapon." and that is why I honestly believe I've gotten more mileage out of the $100 or so I've given to Adam and GDS than the thousands I've spend on all my other games combined.

Anyway to end the ass kissing, game looks great, and Adam and GDS basically represent everything that's awesome about the internet and small game studios, I'll gladly give you my money you've earned it and I hope the game continues to grow in sales and scope each year.

[praguepride]

lol @ whole conservative vs liberal discussion.

It's not like The Force is gonna run for president, is he?

DAMN RIGHT HE IS :D

I can see the headlines now:


President Force solves the economic crisis by paying off the national debt with his multi-billion dollar merchendise sales revenue.

Oh man, that just gave me an idea for a USPW diary I will never ever do, have a whole storyline with Jim Force angling for a presedential election in 2012!

Oh the wrestlecrap russo-maniacs will just love that one :D

[RayW]

I am so very, very jacked. Adam makes every game a real sequel and I find it awesome there is a a studio out there in GDS who has games that are more thoughtful than "Anti-Hero shoots aliens with giants guns." or "Anti-Hero kills demons with gimmicky weapon." and that is why I honestly believe I've gotten more mileage out of the $100 or so I've given to Adam and GDS than the thousands I've spend on all my other games combined.

Anyway to end the ass kissing, game looks great, and Adam and GDS basically represent everything that's awesome about the internet and small game studios, I'll gladly give you my money you've earned it and I hope the game continues to grow in sales and scope each year.
I know how you feel. I've gradually stopped buying video games, the last one was Assassins Creed II, which after 6 hours I was bored stiff off. The only games I can think of the top of my head that I have actually completed on the current gen consoles are Gears of War 1 & 2, and Ghostbusters. I get bored very quickly. Where as with TEW, WMMA and FM I can never be truly bored. There's always something to do, change, mix-up, and new challenges all the time. And at, what, £18-ish over here a game, it's nothing but money more than well spent on GDS games.

[ash1983]

I've been following the journal since the very first day and with every little update i was wondering how long it would take until I stopped playing TEW 2010. Eventually WMMA and TEW 08 were kicked to the curb for a few months and then I went back to them to keep my habit alive.

Now after that last mass of updates I'm actually thinking my UFC, Football Manager, Pro Evo,SD v Raw and all Wii games may have to sit and gather dust while I get to grips with the next beast of the TEW train.

Cannot Wait

[FINisher]

I've been following the journal since the very first day and with every little update i was wondering how long it would take until I stopped playing TEW2010.Cannot Wait

:eek:

[The Masked Orange]

Funny thing is, even with the popularity of C-Verse wrestlecrap diary's, nobody knows who Scott Sinclair is...

Will the genius ever be known.

[Waghlon]

*shyly raises his hand*

Wasn't Scott Sinclair a two-bit jobber in a no good 90's company that never ever really did anything apart from being a huge tax-laundering scheme?

[The Masked Orange]

*shyly raises his hand*

Wasn't Scott Sinclair a two-bit jobber in a no good 90's company that never ever really did anything apart from being a huge tax-laundering scheme?

*shrug*

I was talking about BSS' real name, which noone seems to remember.

[Waghlon]

But i was close!

[bak42]

I can see the headlines now:



Oh man, that just gave me an idea for a USPW diary I will never ever do, have a whole storyline with Jim Force angling for a presedential election in 2012!

Oh the wrestlecrap russo-maniacs will just love that one :D

Why can I see him making a campaign speech about how all America's enemies will feel the FOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORCE?:D

[Nedew]

Scott Sinclair is also a Chelsea winger who's on loan at Wigan, but that's neither here nor there :o

[G-Prime]

*shrug*

I was talking about BSS' real name, which noone seems to remember.

I had every intention of pushing him, after his Safety jumped two grades in Development, and changed his name to Scott Sinclair, so he could be taken seriously. I put the Tag Titles on the Pain Alliance, because I wanted to push them both through the roof.

Then he got in a fight backstage and I suspended him.

[praguepride]

*shrug*

I was talking about BSS' real name, which noone seems to remember.

...

Waghlon was referring to the Big Smack Scott from derek_b's '97-verse. If you're going to act like a mr. know-it-all, you better make sure you know it all ;)

[chris hbk]

#2: User Preferences

Different people choose to play in different ways, and so the new User Preferences has been introduced to maximise your ability to customise the gameplay experience.

Each player in the game has access to their own User Preferences screen, from which they can enable or disable any of the fourteen choices. Below are eleven of the fourteen (the remaining three refer to features yet to be announced, and so will be discussed at a later date):

- Show all stats as grades rather than number


personally I'll be keeping the grades (letters A-whatever) as I don't think a head booker could look at two wrestlers and say: Wrestler A has a technical ability of 86, but wrestler B has a technical ability of 89! You can look at real life performers and say a guy is about a grade A etc... but to nitpick in real life by a few % would surely be impossible. Theres a similar topic with a football game called pro evo. Can you say a guy has a dribbling ability of 94 or should it be 96? Just give him an A* and be done with it!

I believe some folk use spreadsheets though and this sort of feauture will probably excite them as they can be more thorough and accurate and detailed.

[chris hbk]

#5: The Dirt Sheet
should be great for guys like me who don't take it TOO seriously (purely down to other commitments such as work - not a personal preference!) as I'd love to simply know how to make some matches and events better etc... seems like a good improvement for me and the hardcore gamers. Basically what Adam said!

Personal favourites:
#17: Outside Media Opportunities

#4: National Trends

#20: Promotion Momentum

#32: Dojos (2)

#37: Chemistry Store - saves me from writin it in shorthand into the notebook all the time!

#49: Gimmick Type Effects


Hair: Workers have a hair statistic, which keeps track of the length. This is set via the editor, and obviously allows for bald wrestlers. This stat is used in conjunction with a new Shave Head road agent note that allows wrestlers to lose their hair. Once shaved, hair can grow back slowly over time. Wrestlers will also eventually start going naturally bald as they age.
Um, not a gamebreaker in the slightest, but I presume not all guys will go bald eventually, or at the same exact time in their lives! My grandad still has a full head of hair at 93! My mate needed hair plugs at 24! Like I said though, not a gamebreaker, although it would be cool if a lack of hair maybe automatically lowered a guys sex appeal!



Basically, the gist I get is that the game is more realistic and has more depth, but also will be easier for casual gamers such as myself who wanted 08 to be slightly more forgiving - (yet I could also see why guys investing huuuge amounts of time would also want the original difficulty of 08 to be maintained.) All looks damn good. Roll on2moro!

[praguepride]

I'm still holding out hope for playable development territories & umbrella orgs, but I'd consider those big enough to be mentioned before release and not one of those features to just "discover" on our own.

HOWEVER

I'm still super excited about the game, especially the .xls export feature. This has got me marking out hard as I think about all the hours I spent making spreedsheets for '05, '07, and '08.

What I'm thinking about doing is pulling those .xls sheets into an access database of my own so I can do even more advanced searches and pull out the super SQL 1337 5k1llz :D

[justtxyank]

I don't want to dash your hopes, but I believe Adam specifically shot down the idea of the umbrella orgs in this thread or somewhere else as not being very "doable" or something like that.

[Oyaji]

Yes, that is an unfortunate shortcoming of the code. It would have been implemented long ago if possible. The promotion relationships do help, though. The main problem is the traveling champion and title.

[TeemuFoundation]

I have no earthy idea why so many people were so convinced that there was going to be an NWA style umbrella system in TEW. People were hyping it as if it had been confirmed or something. Never made any sense to me.

[praguepride]

Please keep suggestions in the correct forum. For reference, the NWA system has been discussed to death, repeatedly, and is not "very do-able" - otherwise it'd be in the game.

Ah, I missed this point. I can still hope for playable devopment territories :D

[Sons of Kohral]

8 - Nobody cares what you are doing while waiting for the game to be released. We do not need a thread on it.

Did anyone else lol at this, or was it just me?

[djthefunkchris]

I think one of my favorite features is going to be Starting Storylines: although I don't know how many modder's are going to take the time to really put alot of these in there, it could be conveniant for starting a new game as well... Then if you don't like where you went, can start over quicker with some things already in place how you wanted them to start with.