TEW2010 Developer's Journal Discussion

[hurri]

Locker room morale - best feature yet, awesome!!

[shipshirt]

This is only the case if the segment names have been set up for them, though, the way that (say) ones converted from an 08 mod won't be.

Which I assume is what shipshirt was asking.

Yeah, that's pretty much it. So one would have to go in and add it to all of the angles in any converted mod, it seems.

[LoganRodzen]

This new feature is EPIC in my opinion. I've wanted upgrades to how relationships and personalities affect the game. This adds a lot of realism to the game as well. Getting Davis Wayne Newton in your promotion is no longer an option (I always sign him), he's a must have now. :p

[MaxMoon]

Locker room morale is one of the new additions that I am most looking forward to.
Not that the game is too easy right now (not for me at least), but this kind of complexity that brings more life to the people and more challenging decisions is very appealing to me.

So far, I have not seen any new features I did not like, so Adam pretty much sold me a copy of the game at the first journal entry... Awesome!

[shipshirt]

A terrific feature and the upcoming features stemming from this has me intrigued. Anything that adds more to playing than "find wrestlers that work well together and have matches" is a huge plus!

[BuddyGarner]

Big Smack Scott is not that bad as long as you don't try to get him off the roids. I already tried to hire all the locker room leaders in 08 including T.M.A. and Ultra Violence. Maybe it'll be possible to search for them and also people like Melody Cuthill and Kurt Laramee who have neutral traits like naive or hesitant that keep them from being LRL's but are good for making friends. Hopefully now though I can try to poison people's locker rooms so people like Yuma Maruya and Toshiharu Hyobanshi want to leave...

This is a great feature but I don't get how people are acting like it's brand new... I mean people like Hannah Potter and Mayal Idol are more likely to develop drug problems and stuff. Are you saying that I should be playing 2008 like there's no regard for the locker room?

[Phantom Stranger]

Big Smack Scott is not that bad as long as you don't try to get him off the roids. I already tried to hire all the locker room leaders in 08 including T.M.A. and Ultra Violence. Maybe it'll be possible to search for them and also people like Melody Cuthill and Kurt Laramee who have neutral traits like naive or hesitant that keep them from being LRL's but are good for making friends. Hopefully now though I can try to poison people's locker rooms so people like Yuma Maruya and Toshiharu Hyobanshi want to leave...

This is a great feature but I don't get how people are acting like it's brand new... I mean people like Hannah Potter and Mayal Idol are more likely to develop drug problems and stuff. Are you saying that I should be playing 2008 like there's no regard for the locker room?

No, we're saying that the locker room is about to become more important.

[Wrestling Century]

No, we're saying that the locker room is about to become more important.

I never really gave a crap about locker room morale! :p

[dPro]

Love this new feature! And it's gonna fit my philosophy perfect. I always hire Rolling Johnny Stones as a Joe Jobber just because of his personality. "Perfectly Harmonious" is important to me.

[praguepride]

No, we're saying that the locker room is about to become more important.

Yeah. The occasional incident and a little bit off poor luck could cause some minor set backs (scolding a guy moments before it's time to try and rehire him) but otherwise it didn't have nearly the impact that Adam is talking about.

Backstage stuff effecting in-ring performance is definitely new, and remember how everyone was talking about how "leadership" didn't seem that much of an important trait in the user character? Well, now we've been given our answer. I imagine that people who currently disregard morale are going to be in for a rude awakening when suddenly their top guys start blowing matches or even no-showing when they're supposed to be headlining!

Remember how frustrating it was in' 08 when the guy you've been pushing for months is about to enter the PPV headline for the world title and doesn't show up?

[TeemuFoundation]

Yeah. The occasional incident and a little bit off poor luck could cause some minor set backs (scolding a guy moments before it's time to try and rehire him) but otherwise it didn't have nearly the impact that Adam is talking about.

Backstage stuff effecting in-ring performance is definitely new, and remember how everyone was talking about how "leadership" didn't seem that much of an important trait in the user character? Well, now we've been given our answer. I imagine that people who currently disregard morale are going to be in for a rude awakening when suddenly their top guys start blowing matches or even no-showing when they're supposed to be headlining!

Remember how frustrating it was in' 08 when the guy you've been pushing for months is about to enter the PPV headline for the world title and doesn't show up?
As somene who usually tends to give Scott Hall the benefit of a doubt, yes.

[SWF Fan]

I adore the last 2 features announced, both are going to make this game a hell of a lot better for me no doubt :)

[praguepride]

As somene who usually tends to give Scott Hall the benefit of a doubt, yes.

Well, there's your first mistake ;)

[Mr.Macho]

No update today?

[Jaded]

No update today?

Nothing til Monday, IIRC.

[wrestlingfan#1]

Love this new feature, hopefully it will spawn one of my suggestions I made O So Long ago, to bring back the random wrestler messages. For example:

1) You have new mail from Road Warrior Hawk. ( open mail ) I think you should hire Road Warrior Animal. He is a good friend of mine and I think he would be a good addition to the roster here.

2) You have new mail from Ric Flair. ( open mail ) I don't think you should hire Hulk Hogan. I hate him and don't think he would add much to our locker room.

And that of course leads to...

3) You have urgent mail from Ric Flair. ( open mail ) I can't believe you ignored me and hired Hulk Hogan anyway. One of us has to go.

{Ric Flairs morale has took a serious hit as a result of hiring Hulk Hogan}

Not to mention that this feature alone adds so much to the game, for me atleast. I've always strived for and usually attained a " Perfectly Harmonious " locker room but never seen any benefits from it. From what I've seen of Adam's responses to suggestions that were made he is a fan/stickler of features that have both positives and negatives, so hopefully those of us that worked to keep the "boys in the back" happy will be rewarded and not just see things go awry when we don't.

On a side note it would be cool to see personalities change... For example having several " locker room leaders" could cause a clash of ego (even from those that aren't egomanical by nature) and force you to choose between the two warring parties or see a split in the locker room.

[djthefunkchris]

Love this new feature, hopefully it will spawn one of my suggestions I made O So Long ago, to bring back the random wrestler messages. For example:

1) You have new mail from Road Warrior Hawk. ( open mail ) I think you should hire Road Warrior Animal. He is a good friend of mine and I think he would be a good addition to the roster here.

2) You have new mail from Ric Flair. ( open mail ) I don't think you should hire Hulk Hogan. I hate him and don't think he would add much to our locker room.

And that of course leads to...

3) You have urgent mail from Ric Flair. ( open mail ) I can't believe you ignored me and hired Hulk Hogan anyway. One of us has to go.

{Ric Flairs morale has took a serious hit as a result of hiring Hulk Hogan}

Not to mention that this feature alone adds so much to the game, for me atleast. I've always strived for and usually attained a " Perfectly Harmonious " locker room but never seen any benefits from it. From what I've seen of Adam's responses to suggestions that were made he is a fan/stickler of features that have both positives and negatives, so hopefully those of us that worked to keep the "boys in the back" happy will be rewarded and not just see things go awry when we don't.

On a side note it would be cool to see personalities change... For example having several " locker room leaders" could cause a clash of ego (even from those that aren't egomanical by nature) and force you to choose between the two warring parties or see a split in the locker room.

I like it, although your example in current times remains to be a bit out of whack;), as Flair didn't seem to have a problem working and losing to Hogan at all.

With the new backstage challenges and such, I think people are going to have to be carefull with relationships and exactly what each one effects.

[Krazy Killian]

I love this feature it could be AWESOME! Even more so if they make certain ways of creating relationships.

E.g say we have a JBL type character who no one really likes, is selfish and driven and you put a younger worker over him like an Evan Bourne. He goes off it not at you but at Bourne and bullies him creating backstage tension. Or just tries to bully new people all the time like he did with the Hardy Boyz when they first joined.

I'm sure this happened with the WWE where there was someone who was stealing from Kennedy's bags (everyone knew it was Holly) so Triple H (Locker room leader) said that if he heard about anyone doing that again he would make sure they never make in the WWE and I quote "because I have that power". Everyone went on the straight and narrow.

Good vs Bad in locker room I'm practically at climax...

[Moe Hunter]

so Triple H (Locker room leader) said that if he heard about anyone doing that again he would make sure they never make in the WWE and I quote "because I have that power".

How, pray tell, can you quote something that you've never heard, read or seen directly?

[Krazy Killian]

Shoot interview.

[Moe Hunter]

Shoot interview.

A shoot interview with Triple H? Because otherwise it's heresay and conjecture.

[lprock]

I love this feature it could be AWESOME! Even more so if they make certain ways of creating relationships.

E.g say we have a JBL type character who no one really likes, is selfish and driven and you put a younger worker over him like an Evan Bourne. He goes off it not at you but at Bourne and bullies him creating backstage tension. Or just tries to bully new people all the time like he did with the Hardy Boyz when they first joined.

I'm sure this happened with the WWE where there was someone who was stealing from Kennedy's bags (everyone knew it was Holly) so Triple H (Locker room leader) said that if he heard about anyone doing that again he would make sure they never make in the WWE and I quote "because I have that power". Everyone went on the straight and narrow.

Good vs Bad in locker room I'm practically at climax...

This x100. Seriously sounds like an awesome feature to me.

[Tempest Kane]

A shoot interview with Triple H? Because otherwise it's heresay and conjecture.


90% of everything said or seen in the wrestling industry on or off camera is heresay, conjecture or simply illusion... as i understand it the line he is talking about was reported by most the major web based dirt sheets as been something that was said infront of most of the talent in the locker room that night, it was later 'confirmed' to have happened by Ken Anderson and to some extent Bob Holly himself in their respective RF Video Shoots since the incident in question was regarding both of them.

In anycase regardless of them saying it went down, like anything with wrestling you need to take what is given and read bettwen the lines of all sides offered and make your own mind up on how the dust lays... thats all we ever have to go on... and its rare we have 2 people who no longer have anything to lose by telling the truth 'confirm' such a story in a shoot interview (even when said people both hate each other)... i think the story he was talking about is about as close as legit as possible for any wrestling news story, as such his example is valid in my book.

[Moe Hunter]

I've got no problem with him telling a story as "here's what is reported to have happened". It's the part where he "quotes" a third hand source that I take isue with. It's simply not a quote.

[Stennick]

YES, I just had a feeling that Adam and company would release this game in January. Looking forward to playing this game in three weeks. Hopefully that means we're reaching a climax for some of the "bigger" new features. It seems like this locker room morale one is already and is about to be an even bigger deal so hopefully that trend continues.

[dvdWarrior]

I myself had this weird, wild feeling that something like this would be announced today. Even as I was watching the ball drop on the new year, (and wondering what would happen if it bounced), I just had that feeling...

Now all I have to do is come up with the money. Can't wait to get started editing. Been itching for that for a while.

:)

[Mr T Jobs To Me]

Nice! I guess a lot of features will be just "find out for yourself", which is awesome. Who doesn't love coming on here and giddily revealing something cool that just happened in your game that few people know about yet?

[Jaded]

Awesome, less than 3 weeks to wait!

[TeemuFoundation]

#4: National Trends
I have a question: do the "Fan Types" setting of Venues exist or matter anymore now with the introduction of the National Trends? If I set "Comedy" to be very popular in the US, does it mean I can't have certain areas and regions where southern rassling still draws crowds? If, not the feature should be changed to "Regional Trends" in my eyes. Back in the 80s and early 90s, Comedy and cartoony characters drew in New York, but old school traditional rassling was white hot in the southern regions and the mid-atlantic area and drew huge crowds.

Am I misunderstanding the feature?

[shamelessposer]

Now that we know the release date, important questions need to be asked. derek_b, how's 1997 coming along? :)

[Derek B]

Now that we know the release date, important questions need to be asked. derek_b, how's 1997 coming along? :)

It'll be a while after release date before it's out, but it's still doing rather nicely. You'll definitely have some time to play what I'm sure will be an awesome Cornellverse before you get to go historic on it again. :)

[ampulator]

I didn't expect the game to come out that early...

[shamelessposer]

I didn't expect the game to come out that early...

Personally, I expected a March 31st release.

[Remianen]

I have a question: do the "Fan Types" setting of Venues exist or matter anymore now with the introduction of the National Trends? If I set "Comedy" to be very popular in the US, does it mean I can't have certain areas and regions where southern rassling still draws crowds? If, not the feature should be changed to "Regional Trends" in my eyes. Back in the 80s and early 90s, Comedy and cartoony characters drew in New York, but old school traditional rassling was white hot in the southern regions and the mid-atlantic area and drew huge crowds.

Am I misunderstanding the feature?

You're misunderstanding the feature. It's not zero sum. Just because a trend is sweeping the nation, doesn't mean everything else suffers as a result.

[TeemuFoundation]

You're misunderstanding the feature. It's not zero sum. Just because a trend is sweeping the nation, doesn't mean everything else suffers as a result.
Of course, I see. All is good. :)

[ampulator]

That's exactly what I was thinking. In fact, I'm so used to seeing "Spring 2010" as really a August release... (I'm not joking on that, either).

[Craig Edwards]

I had a feeling that this game was going come out soon

[Bigpapa42]

Sweet! Awesome start to 2010 so far!

[GDE71]

Wow. I have the forums bookmarked and didnt see the main page.

I'm very happy the game is here soon and also happy we only have the DEMO for 5 days before we get the whole game.

[SeanMcFly]

... :eek::eek::eek::eek:

WOO !

[Kobe1724]

I'm really going to have to speed up my mod update now with the release date so close. ^_^

[Donners]

Wow, that's sooner than I expected.

Just after I return to work and just before I start exams, so I don't think I'll buy it straight away, but I suspect I will get it at some point.

Just on the last feature to be announced, I hope there's some sort of mutual release for unhappy workers. It would be frustrating if you had an unhappy worker upsetting your locker room, and had to pay them out to get rid of them.

[1234]

Yay...near perfect timing for me. My exams finish on the 18th so the timing is excellent for me...woohoo cant wait for it now.

[Tweek It]

Wow! I didn't really expect TEW10 to be released so soon. I was at least expecting to reach a whole year with my '91 WWF game before it came out. I'll look into the editor and see how easy it would be to convert the '91 game and start over with it from '08 to '10. Awesome news though.

[crayon]

Whoah, so soon! Now I really wish I hadn't have signed on for summer school dammit

Still, if I play my cards right I may get a couple of weeks in before everything hits the fan with a new semester.

Not many more days for features to be announced though.. I can only cross my fingers that at least one of the remaining "OMG" features that Remienan alludes to is one of the major ones on my wish-list :)

[smurphy1014]

Sweet! Awesome start to 2010 so far!

I couldn't agree more, I am extremely excited for the 20th to get here. :D

[MitchHedberg]

Well, this certainly is a fantastic development! I await the release with bated breath...although that may be a bit dramatic.

[DreamGoddessLindsey]

I wish Square-Enix could have put Final Fantasy XIII out this quickly!

[crayon]

I wish Square-Enix could have put Final Fantasy XIII out this quickly!

If user-reviews are anything to go by, it looks like Adam Ryland is delivering more of what the long-time fans want with TEW2010 than Squeenix did with FFXIII :P

[The Masked Orange]

Two words: Yip EEE

[Krazy Killian]

If user-reviews are anything to go by, it looks like Adam Ryland is delivering more of what the long-time fans want with TEW2010 than Squeenix did with FFXIII :P

There are user reviews?!

[Gigas]

There are user reviews?!

Not for this game, but FF13 got some pretty bad reviews.

[The Shape]

Is that the one with leona lewis on the soundtrack? The trailer for it with the bloke talking her up is hilarious xD

[Blackman]

wow, the release so soon?

I'm going to have to try out the demo though. :)

[LoganRodzen]

A very happy new year indeed! :D

[GDE71]

We get 12 or 13 more journal entries and he could double/triple up on some.

[Wrestling Century]

I bet that now Mr. Ryland will tell us about all the best features now to hook us in to buy it. Maybe even a trump card the day before the demo..... ah, who am I kidding? I'll buy it no matter what! :p

[Blackman]

I bet that now Mr. Ryland will tell us about all the best features now to hook us in to buy it. Maybe even a trump card the day before the demo..... ah, who am I kidding? I'll buy it no matter what! :p

I sure hope so. I'm still waiting/hoping for a change of booking segments. That's the one thing I wanted in the game, because booking segments was so much of a chore to me in 2008 and before. :(

[FINisher]

Wow.. Shocking news, just came back from a trip. Wow. Speechless. I know what i'll be doing for this year, starting from 20th of Jan.. Can't wait to know all the yet unreleased features.

[LoganRodzen]

Wow.. Shocking news, just came back from a trip. Wow. Speechless. I know what i'll be doing for this year, starting from 25th of Jan.. Can't wait to know all the yet unreleased features.

So you won't be joining the rest of us by playing the demo on the 20th? :p

[FINisher]

Ouch.

[Gigas]

Didnt they release the game early in 2008? Like 2 days after the demo?

[infinitywpi]

Well. Dammit. Now I have to find the money for it sooner than expected.

*sigh* I guess I can put off new tires for another paycheck...

[crayon]

Yeah money's pretty tight after Christmas.. I was planning to win the lottery and use the money to become head booker of SWF but I guess I'll settle for finding some dude's wallet in the gutter and using it to get a TEW 2010 fix.

Back on topic: Anyone able to confirm whether or not a promotion can have multiple dojos linked to it?

[Gnrfan]

What i like is that Adam said they were up to 200 new features.

Well with the full game coming out on the 25th. And based on 200 features to be announced i make that about 6 new features to be announced a day.

Now obviously that won't happen but i wonder if we'll get 100 in the journal (like 08's journal) which is still 2 new features a day. Can't wait.

[Tempest Kane]

Is anyone else less bothered about the amount of "new features and fixs" and more bothered about the quality of said features and fixs?

Alot of people seem overly stuck on this number thing...

[shamelessposer]

What i like is that Adam said they were up to 200 new features.

Well with the full game coming out on the 25th. And based on 200 features to be announced i make that about 6 new features to be announced a day.

Now obviously that won't happen but i wonder if we'll get 100 in the journal (like 08's journal) which is still 2 new features a day. Can't wait.

No one ever said that two hundred features would be announced before release day.

[TeemuFoundation]

Is anyone else less bothered about the amount of "new features and fixs" and more bothered about the quality of said features and fixs?

Alot of people seem overly stuck on this number thing...
Personally, for me, Forced Chemistry already sold the game. Add the Locker Room Morale, National Trends, Eras, Drag and Drop and numerous other stuff on top and I'm extremely hyped!

[Donners]

Is anyone else less bothered about the amount of "new features and fixs" and more bothered about the quality of said features and fixs?

Alot of people seem overly stuck on this number thing...

Absolutely. And of course, the ones that sound really exciting on paper may not be nearly as valuable as the unremarkable ones (such as drag & drop booking) when it comes to actually playing the game.

That's the good thing about having a demo, so that we can actually see which features make a difference to how we play.

[James Casey]

I just wish you could run the demo past one month so long as you're just playing a watcher game - but I know that won't happen.

I've just become such a CV geek in the last eighteen months. I swear I have half the rosters memorised :o

[Kobe1724]

In light of this newest feature, I am really hoping TEW 2010 finally allow you to ink workers to deals longer than 48 months. :)

[TeemuFoundation]

This keeps getting better and better! It would be nice if certain incidents would downright cause a worker and friends of said worker to walk out on a company and no-show. Remember the Screwjob? Also, some incidents should so bad that they would cause a lifelong grudge against you. Like what the nWo did to Arn Anderson, Anderson is still said to be upset to Bischoff about it and there's no chance that Eric Bischoff would ever be able to sign Anderson if he were to start a wrestling company today.

[Sons of Kohral]

I'm excited.... end of story

[Self]

Also, some incidents should so bad that they would cause a lifelong grudge against you. Like what the nWo did to Arn Anderson, Anderson is still said to be upset to Bischoff about it and there's no chance that Eric Bischoff would ever be able to sign Anderson if he were to start a wrestling company today.

In that example, wouldn't it just make a 'Hatred' relationship between Arn and Eric Bischoff? That should take care of that.

More sophisticated morale system gets a thumbs up from me. I skim-read the details, but I trust it's gonna be nice.

[TeemuFoundation]

In that example, wouldn't it just make a 'Hatred' relationship between Arn and Eric Bischoff? That should take care of that.

More sophisticated morale system gets a thumbs up from me. I skim-read the details, but I trust it's gonna be nice.
Yes, of course, I wasn't thinking enough before I posted. I feel silly. But yeah, I agree that whatever makes the game world and especially the locker room feel more alive is something that TEW really needs and it seems we're getting a lot of that this time around so big thumbs up! :)

[Cold Cobra]

Sounds good, though I hope it's not to sensitive, like a few losses to someone lower than you and you bring the whole locker room morale down! Its the way the business goes, especially for a Small/Regional company, which I almost exclusively use. Anyway, I have faith that it won't be that bad.

[crayon]

Morale Overhaul is pretty damn hooge. Honestly, I wasn't really expecting too much excitement when I read the title of it, but the whole thing sounds like it's going to add a lot to games, and works much more realistically.

I especially like how there's a morale popup where you can how everything has contributed to a worker's moods, and what sort of history you'll be dealing with.

[Superrain]

Sounds good, though I hope it's not to sensitive, like a few losses to someone lower than you and you bring the whole locker room morale down! Its the way the business goes, especially for a Small/Regional company, which I almost exclusively use. Anyway, I have faith that it won't be that bad.

Yeah I agree. No doubt there's temperamental dudes in the wrestling business who are a bit of a nightmare to work with, but overall wrestlers are pretty professional with this sort of thing, despite what the dirt sheets might say. It will be interesting to see how this works out. I like the idea of wrestlers having even more personality, and it will be fun to manage some difficult characters, but if guys are constantly having issues about everything it might get a little annoying. I think it's realistic to expect guys to do the job they're getting paid for without too many problems.

[James Casey]

I especially like how there's a morale popup where you can how everything has contributed to a worker's moods, and what sort of history you'll be dealing with.

This. As I was readign the entry, I though to myself "How handy would it be for each worker to have their own incident record?" and then I read that would be in. So yeah.

[Remianen]

This keeps getting better and better! It would be nice if certain incidents would downright cause a worker and friends of said worker to walk out on a company and no-show. Remember the Screwjob? Also, some incidents should so bad that they would cause a lifelong grudge against you. Like what the nWo did to Arn Anderson, Anderson is still said to be upset to Bischoff about it and there's no chance that Eric Bischoff would ever be able to sign Anderson if he were to start a wrestling company today.

I have a question.

How do you know that's not how the feature works? That relationships (good or bad, temporary or permanent) don't result from these kinds of actions? That incidents beyond the 'spreading rumors' and similar, don't happen as a result of ongoing environmental occurrences?

Not picking on you Teemu, it's just I've seen a lot of 'wouldn't it be cool if...' for several features and folks don't even know if that's exactly what the feature includes. This isn't a shallow revamp of a shallow system. The new system has more depth than people are really going to like (I think). There are a lot of folks (especially in the 'I only play real world mods' camp) who play just to play. They're going to be in for a rude awakening (and so will you once you find out just how bad Scott Hall can screw your entire promotion) because they're going to have to manage personalities or suffer the consequences.

[TeemuFoundation]

I have a question.

How do you know that's not how the feature works? That relationships (good or bad, temporary or permanent) don't result from these kinds of actions? That incidents beyond the 'spreading rumors' and similar, don't happen as a result of ongoing environmental occurrences?

Not picking on you Teemu, it's just I've seen a lot of 'wouldn't it be cool if...' for several features and folks don't even know if that's exactly what the feature includes. This isn't a shallow revamp of a shallow system. The new system has more depth than people are really going to like (I think). There are a lot of folks (especially in the 'I only play real world mods' camp) who play just to play. They're going to be in for a rude awakening (and so will you once you find out just how bad Scott Hall can screw your entire promotion) because they're going to have to manage personalities or suffer the consequences.
You're right.
But man, oh man, I love the fact that the morale issues are now so in-depth and pushing Scott Hall can really screw up my entire company, I'm so excited. :D

[Tempest Kane]

This keeps getting better and better! It would be nice if certain incidents would downright cause a worker and friends of said worker to walk out on a company and no-show. Remember the Screwjob? Also, some incidents should so bad that they would cause a lifelong grudge against you. Like what the nWo did to Arn Anderson, Anderson is still said to be upset to Bischoff about it and there's no chance that Eric Bischoff would ever be able to sign Anderson if he were to start a wrestling company today.

I would like to see people become bitter beyond the company they are scorned by even if they are signed by another company... ala Bret Hart, and have it continue to reduce their perfomance into the new company. Certain events as you say are so bad they should effect not only one company but the workers view on the whole industry, things like deaths of friends should also have a huge impact on the moral of workers.

I would also like to see owners object to people been hired who are locker room posions in owner goals, but i expect we will see that anyways.

Also.. having consequence's of moral beyond your own promotion opens up all kinds of new tactics... lets say Big Smack Scott for example, you push him to the moon then you take it all away from him, fire a friend or 2, job him to the Gargantuan six or seven times... then you let him go, but why? his populairty is now high enough that TCW want him, but he's a bloody posion... they hire him anyways since the predatory hiring tells them to do so, and bam! and otherwise peaceful company has been sent a tyrant to destroy them from the inside out, its like Vince sending the cancer of the NWO or worse yet... Russo :p

This + Dirty tactics = flawless victory :P

[FlameSnoopy]

This one is extremely cool, gotta make some wise decisions in long term games, or you can mess up biiiig time.

[The Masked Orange]

I usually fill up my roster with veterans who don't mind being jobbed too much, so the extra €€€ $$$ £££ I spend on them will go far with the new feature.

[justtxyank]

I just wonder how sensitive it is. I can't wait to play 10.

Edit: By the way Adam. You should have sold out to the awesomeness and called this game TEWX.

[The Masked Orange]

I just wonder how sensitive it is. I can't wait to play 10.

Edit: By the way Adam. You should have sold out to the awesomeness and called this game TEWX.

If he still wanted the year, he shoulda gone TEWMMX

[DOYS]

Will there be like a file or a website or whatever when the game comes out, chronicling the changes in the past year? Because I look at the C-Verse files, and they haven't been updated since '07sh. I like to read the PWH Magazine on the seperate website, but I've read them all now, and they're out of date anyway.

If anyone has any ideas regarding this, please let me know!

[The Masked Orange]

Will there be like a file or a website or whatever when the game comes out, chronicling the changes in the past year? Because I look at the C-Verse files, and they haven't been updated since '07sh. I like to read the PWH Magazine on the seperate website, but I've read them all now, and they're out of date anyway.

If anyone has any ideas regarding this, please let me know!

When the demo is realeased, just read promotion profiles to get the jist.

[TeemuFoundation]

#2: User Preferences

Different people choose to play in different ways, and so the new User Preferences has been introduced to maximise your ability to customise the gameplay experience.

Each player in the game has access to their own User Preferences screen, from which they can enable or disable any of the fourteen choices. Below are eleven of the fourteen (the remaining three refer to features yet to be announced, and so will be discussed at a later date):

- Show all stats as grades rather than number (see note 1 below)
- Owner goals are turned on
- Penalties for small rosters are turned on
- Penalties for repetitive booking are turned on
- "Perfect Show Theory" is turned on
- Characters can become stale over time
- Worker morale effects are turned on
- Momentum effects are turned on
- Time limits on negotiations are turned on
- Advance bookings cannot be deleted
- Industry and economy effects are turned on

Any of these features can be turned on or off at any point during the game. These features only apply to situations directly related to the player in question; for example, if you turn off the industry and economy effects it means that you will not see workers looking for more money during "boom periods" when they are negotiating with you - however, it will still apply to AI promotions. This is because in multiplayer games, users can have contradictory preferences (i.e. one player can have the effects turned on while another has them turned off).
Those of you that are scared that added difficulty with these new morale settings will cause a backlash in the fanbase: this is where the beauty of the User Preferences comes into play. It is sheer brilliance, honestly.

[Krazy Killian]

I have a question. I've heard about owners goals being like 'keep this guy at certain momentum and such' but what about 'hire this person'. I mean that would be awesome in turns of the morale things and the booking skill stat.

E.g. Lets say the hogan take over was actual an epic fail becuase hogan has a low booking/buisness skill and says 'hire Brutus Beefcake and Brian Knobbs' then it turn out they are poisons. You have to keep them to make the boss happy and THEN he says 'there momentum must not drop under B+' now you have to keep and utlize them in a way where they get over. The locker room would be in shambles and you'd have to work around.

So is the bosses asking to hire specific people already in the game? Cause if so...this could be the beginning of a beautiful C-verse mod!

[D-Lyrium]

Anyone remember how annoying Jay Chord was in '08?

... Yeah... good luck with that. :D

[King Chono]

I have a question. I've heard about owners goals being like 'keep this guy at certain momentum and such' but what about 'hire this person'. I mean that would be awesome in turns of the morale things and the booking skill stat.

E.g. Lets say the hogan take over was actual an epic fail becuase hogan has a low booking/buisness skill and says 'hire Brutus Beefcake and Brian Knobbs' then it turn out they are poisons. You have to keep them to make the boss happy and THEN he says 'there momentum must not drop under B+' now you have to keep and utlize them in a way where they get over. The locker room would be in shambles and you'd have to work around.

So is the bosses asking to hire specific people already in the game? Cause if so...this could be the beginning of a beautiful C-verse mod!

Your example is lame though. Beefcake and the Nasty boys were employed at WCW, but they never went above the midcard(Except for Beefcakes initial heel turn) and were never anything higher than a D- momentum, nor did they ever get over or get booked in such a manner. Hogan only attempts to get his friends jobs, not attempt to get them over and featured. Also you've never seen Hogan book anything but his own angles, so you can't say he's bad.

However I like the idea of an owner suggesting people to hire.

[LoganRodzen]

I have a question. I've heard about owners goals being like 'keep this guy at certain momentum and such' but what about 'hire this person'. I mean that would be awesome in turns of the morale things and the booking skill stat.

This could be cool considering owner goals are all for the long-term. A short-term goal that you have to complete within a few weeks would be very cool. As opposed to the 12 or 24 months that most goals (depending on priority) are.

[Krazy Killian]

Your example is lame though. Beefcake and the Nasty boys were employed at WCW, but they never went above the midcard(Except for Beefcakes initial heel turn) and were never anything higher than a D- momentum, nor did they ever get over or get booked in such a manner. Hogan only attempts to get his friends jobs, not attempt to get them over and featured. Also you've never seen Hogan book anything but his own angles, so you can't say he's bad.

However I like the idea of an owner suggesting people to hire.

That's why I used the hypothetical indicator 'let's say' meaning your saying my example is 'lame' because of the legtimacy of my claims due to history. I never once said this is going to happen or this has happened in the past. I said it was a possible, hypothetical idea to explain how a system could be furthered.

In conclusion, the only thing that is 'lame' is your understanding.

This could be cool considering owner goals are all for the long-term. A short-term goal that you have to complete within a few weeks would be very cool. As opposed to the 12 or 24 months that most goals (depending on priority) are.

Also that isn't what I was getting at but could really be a good idea!! Say you've been doing badly for the company. Owner Goal appears: Get a B graded show. (1 month, critical)

Dont get it fired! That would be welllllll stressful!

[BuddyGarner]

I hope morale ties into dirty tactics.

F. Higa(How am I supposed to remember that name offhand?), I want you to go into the 5SSW supreme locker room and make Yuma Maruya's life a living hell. In exchange, he's some extra cash. If you get her to leave the fed then there's a bonus for you.

[shipshirt]

Your example is lame though. Beefcake and the Nasty boys were employed at WCW, but they never went above the midcard(Except for Beefcakes initial heel turn) and were never anything higher than a D- momentum, nor did they ever get over or get booked in such a manner. Hogan only attempts to get his friends jobs, not attempt to get them over and featured. Also you've never seen Hogan book anything but his own angles, so you can't say he's bad.

However I like the idea of an owner suggesting people to hire.

Not true, exactly. Beefcake (as the Butcher) was booked to be the masked man that took out Hogan with a crowbar and faced him in the main event of Starrcade. That's a pretty prestigious, unwarranted booking.

[TeemuFoundation]

The new worker rewards sound nice. I personally can't wait to send someone on a five month long vacation, then get struck with bad luck and have some of my other top stars injured and having to tough it up until the guy on vacation comes back. Sweet. :p

[Self]

The new worker rewards sound nice. I personally can't wait to send someone on a five month long vacation, then get struck with bad luck and have some of my other top stars injured and having to tough it up until the guy on vacation comes back. Sweet. :p

Totally.

I like this. I often have storylines where guys get 'taken out' for a couple of weeks, and it would be nice to send them on a nice vacation as opposed to watching them get irritated that I'm not using them.

[praguepride]

I can't wait for someone to say they sent their guy away on vacation to heal and he was eaten by a shark!

Enter "kenny deaths" :D

Another awesome addition. More carrots at our disposal!

[TeemuFoundation]

Am I the only one who looks at all these recent new features announced and gets this uncontrollable urge to really just run a company really, really horribly? Push the wrong guys, sink the locker room morale, burn money by giving it away to the locker room cancers.. the works. I just want to see how long it takes for me to completely run WCW to the ground. :p

[Kainlock]

Am I the only one who looks at all these recent new features announced and gets this uncontrollable urge to really just run a company really, really horribly? Push the wrong guys, sink the locker room morale, burn money by giving it away to the locker room cancers.. the works. I just want to see how long it takes for me to completely run WCW to the ground. :p

totally agree. now all I need is a 1997-1998 Mod for WCW to complete it.

[Jennie Bomb]

Am I the only one who looks at all these recent new features announced and gets this uncontrollable urge to really just run a company really, really horribly? Push the wrong guys, sink the locker room morale, burn money by giving it away to the locker room cancers.. the works. I just want to see how long it takes for me to completely run WCW to the ground. :p
For the first few weeks, I almost expect this to be most people's preferred playstyle, just to test out the new features.

[FlameSnoopy]

Sweet addition, something that had to be implented in my honest opinion. Giving some time off to heal from injuries and giving some ca$h to your favourite workers :p

[Moe Hunter]

My WWE 2006 game will be complete!

"Hey Benoit, why don't you take a 5 month sabbatical, then you can win the US Title upon your return, feud with MVP through Mania, then head on over to ECW..."

[shipshirt]

I really like this one. I'm loving how much interaction and actual managing you'll have to do in '10. The ability to give guys time off is not only great for morale but also keeps them fresh when you've got them on a multi-year contract

[The Masked Orange]

I'm gonna bloomin' hate Jay Chord from now on.

[Gnrfan]

Love the idea of being able to send workers for a break. Its a great way to rotate your workers in the bigger companies.

Its also gonna be helpful for guys with injurys and older guys, especially if you have a future plan for them. Much like WWE does with Undertaker. He bascially works 7-8 months of the year and after Mania leaves for a break.

[Halo]

The lastest feature is great however I wonder if workers will be able to request for time off. (One reason could be to get married)

[shamelessposer]

I'm kind of surprised the Morale overhaul and related features weren't announced earlier. More than anything else, it seems like the one big feature that will define TEW 2010. The other stuff is pretty great, but this is going to be what forces people to play the game in a new way.

[stratusfaction]

love this idea of sending them on vacation. The only thing I want to know is how will this effect there overness and will they loose popularity?

[dvdWarrior]

Like this new worker rewards feature a lot. Wonder if rewarding the "Wrestler Of The Night" on each show with a cash prize might be overkill...

Hmmm....

[Wrestling Century]

Like this new worker rewards feature a lot. Wonder if rewarding the "Wrestler Of The Night" on each show with a cash prize might be overkill...

Hmmm....

Well, there's no consequences for doing that other than a huge wrestler ego, so go for it! :D

[crayon]

great stuff, was hoping something like this would be in with the morale

[Donners]

I wonder if you can give a reason for the cash bonus, or if it just acts as an all-purpose bribe.

[LoganRodzen]

15 days and counting... :p

[Remianen]

The only thing I want to know is how will this effect there overness and will they loose popularity?

Good question. ;)

[Superrain]

I can see wrestlers losing overness and popularity while they're away, but this might be offset by a boost when they return.

[Candyman]

Backstage rules? Awesome!

[Donners]

Like the new backstage rules. Good little way to really "roleplay" your promotion and try and make it into the atmosphere you want.

[Moe Hunter]

Backstage Rules is very nice. I like being able to set a professional atmosphere.

[pepper2008]

Wow, so many great reasons to buy, there are now lots of potential for roleplaying and an actual feel in running a company.

Will there be an increase in the specs requirement for your computer in TEW 2010?

[fusionfreak]

Backstage rules is my new favorite feature. (Of course I've said that about several of the new ones)

[D-Lyrium]

Will there be an increase in the specs requirement for your computer in TEW 2010?

I very much doubt it. It's not like a 3D match engine has been introduced (unless Adam's keeping it for later ¬_¬), so there's not really anything new for the computer to do, so I'd assume any computer that can run '08 could run '10.

[Waghlon]

So that confirms smoking is in the game sort of.

[Sons of Kohral]

Ladies and gentlemen, smoking WILL be allowed backstage in all of my promotions!

[D-Lyrium]

So that confirms smoking is in the game sort of.

...it was in the last one. :p

[TeemuFoundation]

So that confirms smoking is in the game sort of.
It has already been a part of the game since Habits were introduced.

[Phantom Stranger]

So is smoking going to be barred to UK promotions past 2007, due to the laws?

[D-Lyrium]

I guess in European promotions smoking is banned from the shelter out the back of the arena too. ¬_¬

[mike b]

What about the no flurting with the female workers law;)

[Kainlock]

Some great features so far and originally Adam said there was like 200. We not even through 50 of them yet. I hope there is a file to explain all the changes, since he won't get to all of them before the release.

[TeemuFoundation]

Some great features so far and originally Adam said there was like 200. We not even through 50 of them yet. I hope there is a file to explain all the changes, since he won't get to all of them before the release.
Perhaps they are all included in Help file? But since no one ever reads the help file, as we have learned in the past, I bet the boards will be flooded with questions regarding new features in the very near future. I wish Adam all the best with his future task at hand.

[praguepride]

Yay! Backstage laws! Guess Jame's Casey's going to have to add a few for his MAW diary :D

[FINisher]

Yay! Backstage laws! Guess Jame's Casey's going to have to add a few for his MAW diary :D

That was the first thing that came to my mind when I read the update :D

[Jennie Bomb]

I hope the reverse is true - that workers who particularly loathe certain activities would become unhappy if the owner allows it backstage. I mean, I doubt a hardcore straight edge type would be thrilled working for a promotion where the backstage is filled with people participating in drug, alcohol and tobacco abuse.

[James Casey]

- No drugs.
- No alcohol until you're finished for the night.

I'm not a hard taskmaster. May be why I have so many problems :p

[Sons of Kohral]

- No drugs.
- No alcohol until you're finished for the night.

I'm not a hard taskmaster. May be why I have so many problems :p

What about smoking? Please don't make us go outside. :D

[Jennie Bomb]

What about smoking? Please don't make us go outside. :D
Oh, you won';t be able to do it outside either. No smoking, punishable by pink slip.

[Blackman]

This is a pretty cool feature.

Watch me outlaw burrito's! And french fries! And damnit, woe to the first worker who touches coffee!

[The Masked Orange]

Gonna outlaw talking. It causes arguments.

Also gonna ban physical contact, and sign language.

That way nothing wrong will ever happen.

[TeemuFoundation]

Gonna outlaw talking. It causes arguments.

Also gonna ban physical contact, and sign language.

That way nothing wrong will ever happen.
You'd be surprised by the amount of people whose trains of thought actually do process exactly like this. And heck, this IS how the government seems to operate. But I guess this is not the place to discuss that. :p

[Blackman]

Yes! Risk society ftw!

But what about blinking one's eyes? You probly can't avoid that. Eyes need cleansing yaknow.

And no alcohol during the show? Guess you won't sign the sandman.

[King Chono]

Drugs are a huge deal in Japan, if you're caught with them you're basically instantly fired and blacklisted, so if I play AJPW or NJPW 83', all things of that sort will be banned. Especially steroids.

[ampulator]

Actually, here's how I feel about this. Obviously, doing any 'no-no's" while you are AT the arena is definitely out of the question. I'm generally harsh against drug/alcohol/smoking/steroids and what-not in the game, but doing it AT the arena (except smoking)? That's a HUGE mark against a particular wrestler that does that.

As for smoking, if the game allows it, the worse I'm going to do is either make you smoke outside or have a smoking designated area. Besides, a lot of arenas force this anyway, regardless of laws or regulations.

As for the other rules:

All workers must arrive three hours before the show starts: This seems to imply two things to me. The first is quite obvious - everyone mus arrive 3 hours before. The second, however, I just caught. EVERYONE must arrive, even workers I'm not going to use that night? Seems a bit harsh and unnecessary. I heard from RL shoot interviews that, even on shows where you KNOW you aren't going to wrestle, you still had to show up with your gear and BE at the show. It seems like a waste of time to have everyone when you know you aren't going to use them. Arrival three hours before? Well, I can see why it would nice of them to do that, but, unless you are needed to be taped for backstage stuff, or the support crew (color commentator, referees, road agents), I can't see why three hours is that necessary.

Providing catering \ a masseuse \ a chiropractor: I can definitely see why providing the last two would be "practical". Catering... well, I'm iffy.

the promotion organize \ pay for transport and accommodation: I'll probably ORGANIZE accomodations, I'm not going to pay for it. I'll probably organize transportation as well, but that's not coming out of my pocket.

[Blackman]

Regardless of how people might fill it in, I'm curious.

Does taking steroids actually raises their stats? Or does it just 'happen' without any benefit to the worker?

[Stennick]

I doesn't raise their stats at all that I'm aware of. Even if it did raise stats the only ones I can think of it raises would be power, sex appeal/superstar look.

[Remianen]

All workers must arrive three hours before the show starts: This seems to imply two things to me. The first is quite obvious - everyone mus arrive 3 hours before. The second, however, I just caught. EVERYONE must arrive, even workers I'm not going to use that night? Seems a bit harsh and unnecessary. I heard from RL shoot interviews that, even on shows where you KNOW you aren't going to wrestle, you still had to show up with your gear and BE at the show. It seems like a waste of time to have everyone when you know you aren't going to use them. Arrival three hours before? Well, I can see why it would nice of them to do that, but, unless you are needed to be taped for backstage stuff, or the support crew (color commentator, referees, road agents), I can't see why three hours is that necessary.

ampulator, stop being pedantic. Just because last week you didn't think you'd be using a worker doesn't make that tablets brought down from the mount. People fill-in for a wide variety of reasons. If someone has food poisoning or is otherwise unable to perform or a last minute rewrite is done for overbooking purposes, the people who formerly were not on the format sheet, could find themselves there. If you need a filler match, you gonna use a worker who has already done a match or would you pick a couple workers who weren't previously booked to do that?

Having workers at the arena 3 hrs prior gives you OPTIONS. It's also a pre-emptive no-show insurance. Tell a worker the show starts at 7:30 and they're in the main event might give them the idea that they don't need to be there until 9. What happens if you plan a promo before the main event and your headliners aren't in the building?

Providing catering \ a masseuse \ a chiropractor: I can definitely see why providing the last two would be "practical". Catering... well, I'm iffy.

EVERY promotion has catering of some sort. Even the cheapo shows Tony Atlas used to do in Vermont & New Hampshire had cold cuts and bread on the sideboard. The feature specifies whether you'll have 'Craft service' (which costs you money) or just do the normal 'vending machines at the venue' (which doesn't) method. A cooler with water bottles in it, qualifies as 'catering' (even though it's low budget and barebones).

Regardless of how people might fill it in, I'm curious.

Does taking steroids actually raises their stats? Or does it just 'happen' without any benefit to the worker?

Steroid use increases the power, stamina, and perhaps star quality at the expense of resilience and increased physical wear, if I remember right. All of the benefits are lost when the roid use is stopped or after an OD. derek or Adam can correct me where I'm fuzzy. :p

[ampulator]

Remi, I suppose that's true. But I can't literally see "everyone". That's a bit... much. Some or even most of the workers? Sure. I guess you are right about the 3-hour time-limit too.

As for the Catering explanation, thanks. I can understand that better. Maybe just drinks from vending machines from me. :p

[lazorbeak]

ampulator, stop being pedantic. Just because last week you didn't think you'd be using a worker doesn't make that tablets brought down from the mount. People fill-in for a wide variety of reasons. If someone has food poisoning or is otherwise unable to perform or a last minute rewrite is done for overbooking purposes, the people who formerly were not on the format sheet, could find themselves there. If you need a filler match, you gonna use a worker who has already done a match or would you pick a couple workers who weren't previously booked to do that?

There's a saying in acting that applies all over the place called "hurry up and wait." Basically you need to be ready at a moments' notice even if it never happens. The fact is you're being paid, you need to be ready to work. Even if it's just "hey we need 3 guys in this backstage segment in the background" or something like that. You never know, you know? Worst case scenario, you're ready and don't get used.

Seriously a lot of these complaints just reflect a lack of understanding as to how ANY large-scale live show works.

What I'm curious about is how much the AI will use any of these new rules. One of the things that bugged me about 08 is that if I signed Jay Chord I had to put up with his headaches, while if he went to Japan or TCW he would shoot right up the card and never have any problems.

[bak42]

Yes! Risk society ftw!

But what about blinking one's eyes? You probly can't avoid that. Eyes need cleansing yaknow.

Blinking is fine, just no blinking in morse code.:p

[Skummy]

As far as asking workers who aren't on the card to show up, WWE do it on a regular basis - a few years back, I don't know if it's still the case, they used to ask even retired workers that still work for the company in another capacity (Sgt. Slaughter, for example) to pack ring gear just in case. All you need is one flight delayed, or major traffic problems, or a food poisoning outbreak, and you could lose half the roster you've got booked on the card.

[SWF Fan]

I get the whole idea of workers turning up because their contracted to be there and such even if they don't appear but what happens with the case of Pay Per Apperance and also following on from that a worker that has 2 possible bookings on the same night?

I'm just thinking with P.P.A you pay the worker for being there so if you had a roster of 20 you could get away with working and paying just 10 of them as your show only needs 10 workers (maybe an hour show), so you have 10 workers not getting paid for the show. Would they still need to turn up? And if so for appearing there would they get paid?

Also if one of the workers is being used by 2 different companies who hold shows on the same night then if he/she chooses the one over the over and then they don't use him on the show would that mean him missing a pay check from not working for the other company?

Hope this didn't confuse anyone and I'm guessing somewhere here who knows the game better than myself will be able to give me a reasonable answer

Thanks :)

[James Casey]

I should imagine it's the same as it's ever been - it's assumed they're there and available for use, regardless of whether you use them or not.

It's micro-management that we can do without to say that Funaki can be excused Wrestlemania weekend or whatever - the game allows you to be in a position where you can call on anyone at a moment's notice. Booking a B show? Or a house show equivalent (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=775218&postcount=1951)? You probably won't bother advance booking shows like that and might even just book them from the booking screen - no advance warning given.

If a worker's not used, they're not paid - but it's certainly not unusual for indy shows through to WWE super events to have extra workers backstage, especially if they're local or otherwise in the area.

[dvdWarrior]

Again, I like the new feature. It's nice to be able to lay down some ground rules backstage. I like to pamper my guys a bit, so we'll probably have all the good things going on backstage, catering and all.

I'm just cool like that.

:cool:

[Sigilistic]

Love, love, love, love, LOVE this new feature!

[D-Lyrium]

I get the whole idea of workers turning up because their contracted to be there and such even if they don't appear but what happens with the case of Pay Per Apperance and also following on from that a worker that has 2 possible bookings on the same night?

I'm just thinking with P.P.A you pay the worker for being there so if you had a roster of 20 you could get away with working and paying just 10 of them as your show only needs 10 workers (maybe an hour show), so you have 10 workers not getting paid for the show. Would they still need to turn up? And if so for appearing there would they get paid?

Also if one of the workers is being used by 2 different companies who hold shows on the same night then if he/she chooses the one over the over and then they don't use him on the show would that mean him missing a pay check from not working for the other company?

Hope this didn't confuse anyone and I'm guessing somewhere here who knows the game better than myself will be able to give me a reasonable answer

Thanks :)

If you're a low-level indy worker, and a promotion has booked you a couple of times or you're affiliated to them in some other way (maybe you know some of the guys), you damn well show up to their next event if you know what's good for you. Johnny's car's broken down? No problem boss, I'll step in...

Sure, the upper card workers, the ones who've already 'made it' as far as wrestling for a living is concerned, they will be annoyed if they turn up and aren't booked. But they get annoyed in the game too, so what's the problem?

As for written deals... well, look at the WWE. EVERYONE travels. Everyone. Even to house shows. There are exceptions of course, depending on the type of contract (not everyone travels to house shows - also simulated in the game), but it's not just the people who're booked to appear.

[SWF Fan]

If you're a low-level indy worker, and a promotion has booked you a couple of times or you're affiliated to them in some other way (maybe you know some of the guys), you damn well show up to their next event if you know what's good for you. Johnny's car's broken down? No problem boss, I'll step in...

Sure, the upper card workers, the ones who've already 'made it' as far as wrestling for a living is concerned, they will be annoyed if they turn up and aren't booked. But they get annoyed in the game too, so what's the problem?

As for written deals... well, look at the WWE. EVERYONE travels. Everyone. Even to house shows. There are exceptions of course, depending on the type of contract (not everyone travels to house shows - also simulated in the game), but it's not just the people who're booked to appear.

Cheers for that response and also to James Casey for his on the matter, its cleared up a hell of a lot more for me now so thanks :)

[crayon]

I just hope we'll be able to get a detailed breakdown of event costs (or estimate when you select an option), and not have it all lumped into production costs.. when it comes to penny pinching I like to know exactly how much each thing is (or is going to) costing me.

[Krazy Killian]

Providing catering \ a masseuse \ a chiropractor: I can definitely see why providing the last two would be "practical". Catering... well, I'm iffy.

Isn't it obvious?! Catering is used for when you allow drugs backstage and the stoners get the munchies.

I like this feature, it's these little things that make the game just so real. I mean imagine hiring someone like Sandman and having the no smoking and drinking rule. He'd got ape ****!

Love the 3 hours before thing to. I understand why people don't get it, it does seem a bit much but in WWE you have to be at the arena at a certain time, in the same way as performing in a stage company you have to be there at the latest at the half call.

And as for the indy fed arguement all the more reason for turning up 3 hours early. I remember seeing a brilliant documentary - behind the ring - or something following Foley, Atlas and some punk who tried to train. Atlas when he was doing indy shows was like the locker room is filled with people who dont get to wrestle but you show up anyway just in case.

I hope this is extended to another 'make this choice feature' - e.g what if someone turns up 30 mins before the show whilst the 3 hour rule is placed? Do you take him off the card and no pay day and annoy him? Or keep him on and annoy everyone else?

What if someone is stealing from catering? Turns up drunk? Comes on the chiropractor? All these choices! What if someone puts there foot down and refuses to perform unless he's allowed a joint/drink/smoke? So much scope for worker politics. I LOVE IT!

[crayon]

You can steal from catering? Isn't that what they're there for?

Unless you mean they steal the caterer's saucepans and espresso machine, then that is totally uncalled for and I agree that they should be punished in the most complete manner possible

[Slim Jim]

Is the three hours before the only length available? Or is it something you can set?

[Phantom Stranger]

Lance Storm's discussed having title matches on TV when they pass through his home town when he expected to do nothing.

[Krazy Killian]

You can steal from catering? Isn't that what they're there for?

Unless you mean they steal the caterer's saucepans and espresso machine, then that is totally uncalled for and I agree that they should be punished in the most complete manner possible

'Mark Smart has been caught stealing plates. How do you want to approach this' 'click - fatherly approach' 'Hey man I'm just doing what I gotta. Plates aint cheap, I'm not giving them back'.

[lazorbeak]

'Mark Smart has been caught stealing plates. How do you want to approach this' 'click - fatherly approach' 'Hey man I'm just doing what I gotta. Plates aint cheap, I'm not giving them back'.

"Land Mass refuses to even negotiate with you unless you agree to put out a plate with 100 tacos on it."

[Sigilistic]

Comes on the chiropractor?

Ok what kind of feds are YOU running?!

[Krazy Killian]

I missed out the word "to" somewhere there didnt I!

[Reaper_ofall]

No... No, I don't think you did. ;)

[Craig Edwards]

A nice little update

[1PWfan]

I like this one- particularly after the very meaty locker room stuff we've had the last few days. We've seen a few of these pop up in dynasties before, so it'll be cool to see them in the game itself.

[TeemuFoundation]

I love the fact that the logos are now visible during the booking process. I expect it to give an all-new touch of personality to the booking, which until now has lacked personality and color. I like it.

[dvdWarrior]

Love the thought of logos for the events, sounds cool, but I somehow have the feeling that this might send some logo makers running headlong into retirement. Imagine if you will the requests for one promotion: 1 logo, 1 banner, 1 TV show logo, and perhaps 12 event logos. Seems like this could lead to rough times for those guys.

:eek:

[The Masked Orange]

Cosmetic, probably won't use it myself but meh, it sounds like a useful feature to someone so I'm glad it's in.

[TeemuFoundation]

Cosmetic, probably won't use it myself but meh, it sounds like a useful feature to someone so I'm glad it's in.
You have clearly misunderstood your role as a TEW fan. If there is an optional feature you personally don't care for, you're supposed to tirade against said feature, just because you personally won't be using it, eventhough it's optional and other people want it in.

[Kamchatka]

Sounds exciting to me, the best course of action would be to do a wide selection of generic event logos rather than 100% specific ones. Newspaper headline saying "STEROID SCANDAL" or suchlike.

[Moe Hunter]

Sounds exciting to me, the best course of action would be to do a wide selection of generic event logos rather than 100% specific ones. Newspaper headline saying "STEROID SCANDAL" or suchlike.

It's for PPVs, not "Random Events". You know, like how TV shows got Logos in TEW08... That's why it mentions the booking screen.

[Adam Ryland]

It's for PPVs, not "Random Events". You know, like how TV shows got Logos in TEW08... That's why it mentions the booking screen.

His idea is still useful though, as they would be perfect for Narratives.

[Cold Cobra]

A nice touch, especially for real world mods. I wonder if TV Show logos will now appear in the internet section now, rather than just the TV Show section. I'd assume so, either way, it makes the internet section more visaully interesting.

[TeemuFoundation]

A nice touch, especially for real world mods. I wonder if TV Show logos will now appear in the internet section now, rather than just the TV Show section. I'd assume so, either way, it makes the internet section more visaully interesting.
These will show up in the Internet section when a show is being reported on, as well as during the booking process.
It's not about cats in space. ;)

[Kamchatka]

It's for PPVs, not "Random Events". You know, like how TV shows got Logos in TEW08... That's why it mentions the booking screen.

Ah yes, so it is. Must stop reading and posting while still waking up. Hum, ok then im excited about Narratives more so. Event logos were seemingly inevitable so time to get cracking on them I guess.

[Cold Cobra]

It's not about cats in space. ;)

Or is it?

Anyway, I did say "I'd assume so"...

[Kainlock]

One of those features that was just a matter of time before they put it in. Now all those great PPV logo's people have made for these dynasties can be shared :)

[Moe Hunter]

His idea is still useful though, as they would be perfect for Narratives.

No doubt, that would be an excellent feature as well. I just didn't want him getting his hopes up in confusion :P

[Kamchatka]

No doubt, that would be an excellent feature as well. I just didn't want him getting his hopes up in confusion :P

Is it possible to clear up whether or not Narratives will have the ability to have graphics linked to them?

[crayon]

Is it possible to clear up whether or not Narratives will have the ability to have graphics linked to them?

Hmm I could just be thinking cats in space, but I could have sworn I read that it was possible... If so, I hope that the picture dimensions are generous.

[TeemuFoundation]

Hmm I could just be thinking cats in space, but I could have sworn I read that it was possible... If so, I hope that the picture dimensions are generous.
As an example, the user could choose to create a "Wall Street Crash II" for the last Friday in October 2010 - this could take the form of a story on the web site explaining that stock prices have fallen, complete with a picture of a panicked investor, and have all the Western economies plunge into a deep depression.
Cats, space and all that. :p

[crayon]

Ah yup, 150x150 that sounds like. Was thinking that narratives might have been a form unto their own for extra epicness, but no problemo

[cappyboy]

You have clearly misunderstood your role as a TEW fan. If there is an optional feature you personally don't care for, you're supposed to tirade against said feature, just because you personally won't be using it, eventhough it's optional and other people want it in.

Then I've been misunderstanding my role for years upon years. I've responded just as reasonably (and accurately) as Brother Orange did on many occasions. I guess we're part of the TEW reasonable fan underground. :)

[Hive]

TEW 2010 is beginning to sound really promising. I basically just wait for Adam to tell us that there'll be umbrella organisation before this becomes a "must buy on release day". :)

[Bigpapa42]

Love this one. Makes me feel much better about having asked Hakk99 for 24 PPV logos for 2008 when they couldn't even be used in the game.

[AndyDuke]

thanks to you guys, half the diaries are going going to have some mention of Cats in Space now. Either a TV show, or a tag team, or something.

:p

[The Masked Orange]

Then I've been misunderstanding my role for years upon years. I've responded just as reasonably (and accurately) as Brother Orange did on many occasions. I guess we're part of the TEW reasonable fan underground. :)

A kindred spirit?...



screw it, I'm selling out.

BAN PPV LOGOS!

[alden]

Here is a question. or well a few

1) Is travel being paid now out of contracts? it sounds like the company can arrange travel for everyone. Does that mean everyone who has travel paid for?

2) does having messages and ciropracters backstage have any added health benifits? i mean a loose worker is less likely to get hurt then someone who is tense.

3) will not allowing smoking cause some people to stop smoking?

I might be thinking way to much about this stuff. Maybe they are just what they are....rules with no added benifit although i don't see that being the case.

[Gigas]

How many wrestlers (athletes) actually smoke? I imagine it cant be many, these guys have to be in tip top condition and smoking just makes you winded.

Do the known smokers in TEW have declining stamina? Ive never paid much attention to all that stuff outside of drug usage.

[alden]

You would be surprised how many wrestlers smoke...........ALOT of them do

[Nedew]

If Zinedine Zidane can smoke and still be one of the best footballers in the world ever, I reckon a few wrestlers can get away with it :p

[LoganRodzen]

Perhaps a hardcore / spot-monkey promotion that allows drugs and alcohol backstage before, during, and after events would be interesting. I'm sure they'd be more willing to pull off "sick bumps"... :p

[Gigas]

Then again, 90% of NBAers smoke pot frequently and are some of the finest athletes in the world. Granted you cant exactly smoke a pack of joints in a day.

[Vladamire Dracos]

#45: Media Group \ Network Umbrella

A Media Group is a new concept which is essentially a grouping of TV Networks to show that they are all owned by the same parent. There are two reasons for this alteration. The first is that this allows the game to handle the movement of TV shows better. For example, if you have a show being broadcast on Sky Sports 3 and want to move it to Sky Sports 1, the AI can take into account that they're not actually rivals, even if they show in the same regions. The second reason is explored in the next entry.

#46: TV-Driven Promotions

Based on the real life Wrestling Society X, this new feature allows a promotion to be owned by a specific TV Network or Media Group. When this is the case, several special conditions are invoked. Firstly, the promotion cannot gets it TV shows broadcast anywhere else, but it does have a much easier time of getting (and maintaining) TV deals on its parent network(s) than normal promotions would. Also, if the promotion ever loses its TV deal, the network can choose to close them down (even if they aren't losing money). Obviously it's a bigger advantage to be owned by a Media Group than an individual TV Network, as it allows for a wider range of potential broadcasters.

IIRC, this is how AAA came into being too. Great addition.

[Stennick]

With the new feature when I saw Umbrella I got excited.....still a really cool concept. You can simulate in the real world NBC/USA network or the old school TNN/MTV slots that the WWE had.

What I wonder is if this feature is a foreshadowing of a new promotion or an altered promotion in the C Verse. Thats what I think about most is how will these new features effect the C Verse since thats mostly what I play.

[Waghlon]

#45 and 46 are plain awesome.

[dvdWarrior]

Gotta say, I love the new networks feature. Not only does it make the game better, IMO, it's already got the ol' wheels turning on some pretty interesting concepts for my own personal games.

[Gigas]

Cool new feature. I wonder if it will be incorporated in CV.

One thing that might suck (in a good, challenging way) is having a great game and the economy tanking, lose your tv slot and then lose your fed.

[djthefunkchris]

Thankyou for these. Especially number 45!

[Kainlock]

Anthing feature that tries and bring realism to the game is a good feature for me. Even if I may not use it.

[praguepride]

Wow...just wow. I can be OWNED by a TV network!? Awesome!

[crayon]

Pretty huge news, and makes me really wish I hadn't decided to use RW networks in my mod because now I'll have to track down all the info.. ah well, all part of the biz :)

[Sons of Kohral]

Interesting... I'm intrigued, and YAY for double update!

[The Bus]

With the new feature when I saw Umbrella I got excited.....

I was just wondering as some sort of umbrella system is created, then why not the same for promotions...

[crayon]

I was just wondering as some sort of umbrella system is created, then why not the same for promotions...

For promotions it'd be a fair bit more complicated.. but I agree that I'd love to see umbrella orgs as the last feature, and find out that Derek B and Remianen managed to pull a gigantic swerve on us all

[Woodsmeister]

When Ted Turner owned WCW would this fall under journal entry #46?

[denzil85]

Media group/Network Umbrella - I like the sound of this, as the example says, you could start off with your promotion being shown at 3am on Sky Sports 3 and eventually work your way up the ratings to earn a primetime slot on Sky 1/Sky Sports 1 depending on your promotion type.

[justtxyank]

This sounds awesome, but I will be honest. When I first saw the word "umbrella" in that post I thought "NWA NWA NWA NWA NWA!"

It moved.

[shamelessposer]

This is my girlish squeal. One of my suggestions made it into the game, everybody! This must be how Seann William Scott feels every day.

[Phil Parent]

Yes WCW would be owned by a media group! This makes historical scenarios even better.

Here's hoping for umbrella promotions! NWA!

[shamelessposer]

Yes WCW would be owned by a media group! This makes historical scenarios even better.

Better yet, it allows for a historical WCW closing.

[Capelli King]

interesting addition with the TV, risky business though

[Remianen]

For promotions it'd be a fair bit more complicated.. but I agree that I'd love to see umbrella orgs as the last feature, and find out that Derek B and Remianen managed to pull a gigantic swerve on us all

*smirk*

When Ted Turner owned WCW would this fall under journal entry #46?

Yes.

interesting addition with the TV, risky business though

Yeah, finally someone sees the possible downside. Like the journal entry said, you could lose your promotion even if you were successful (growing in size and stature and pulling good ratings).

It's a good feature though and should lead to mods (especially unique ones like crayon's MASSIVE one) incorporating it and making it a bit easier for people to grow their promotion with as little fuss as possible. In reality, there are several media groups whether people know it or not (look at how many networks Viacom owns - including one that would probably make for a good Cult network in LOGO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28TV_channel%29)). Only thing that might be missing (and perhaps added to the next game) is something like the Comcast-NBC thing (cable/PPV provider owning a TV network).

It's truly like a ladder system and makes those related networks (like Sky Sports or the like) more attractive since it's a way to "get in on the ground floor", so to speak.

[Phil Parent]

I'm thinking that being owned by a network might limit your growth...

Because, say (Hypothetical, and I don't think it applies in the real world) you are owned by a local TV station. You'll never grown past local because you can't get the TV exposure on a national stage. UNLESS TV stations grow now.

Also, about umbrella networks...does that mean I can start on one station on the network and then slowly but surely get clearance on other stations? That would simulate syndication real good.

[The Masked Orange]

It'd be cool (sooooorry:D)...

Are there bidding wars for promotion takeovers?, or an opportunity to buy the promotion if the network shuts it down?

[Ping von Erich]

Babes of Sin City so need to be owned by a media group, they need a little TV show.

[Nightshadeex]

This makes syndication AWESOME in my early 50s DB

[shamelessposer]

(look at how many networks Viacom owns - including one that would probably make for a good Cult network in LOGO (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logo_%28TV_channel%29)).

I've got about a dozen different ideas now, and they all revolve around wrestling on LOGO.

[shamelessposer]

Babes of Sin City so need to be owned by a media group, they need a little TV show.

I was thinking USPW could turn into an overnight national power when a network buys a stake in the company and starts a media push.

[Candyman]

For promotions it'd be a fair bit more complicated.. but I agree that I'd love to see umbrella orgs as the last feature, and find out that Derek B and Remianen managed to pull a gigantic swerve on us all

I don't know if it'll be the last featue announced, but I would be stunned if umbrella orgs aren't included in TEW2010. Just a hunch.

I'm excited about the umbrella networks. However, I'm more excited about the implication that you can now move TV shows. Network to network, if they're under the same umbrella, but presumably that means you can change time slots when renegotiating, which would just be awesome.

[Gnrfan]

What i love about the TV companies is that you could find a situation where a few decent workers all of a sudden become free agents.

[TeemuFoundation]

I still want an easier and smoother way to change networks in the game, whether the networks are under the same umbrella or not. But I digress.

[Tempest Kane]

I still want an easier and smoother way to change networks in the game, whether the networks are under the same umbrella or not. But I digress.

This. It would be very nice if you could negotiate a contract with a rival network in your final month of contract with your current network instead of been blocked and effectively having to eaither A) Get a cancelation authed by your current network or B) go without tv for a season untill tv networks are hireing again.

I love the new announcement tho, and i realy hope some ingame mechanic shows up to allow umbrella orgs such as NWA to realy beef up this game.

[SWIFT]

Features #45 and #46 are truly great additions. They're more like game world features which were needed for 2008 and are popping up like crazy on the "major feature" end of the spectrum so far. I really, really like the umbrella network idea. Now JSV can all be lumped together.

I love the new announcement tho, and i realy hope some ingame mechanic shows up to allow umbrella orgs such as NWA to realy beef up this game.

I'm hoping for umbrella organizations as well. It's the feature I'm really pulling for to appear. TEW 2010 already appears to be flexing its muscles, umbrella orgs would be more muscle.

[rajde]

Atleast this makes it possible to do WCW realistically. The only other owner type thing I could see is having Public companies, but I think it is too late to do that.

[Jennie Bomb]

My sadistic side wants to see TEW2010 released without Umbrella Organisations, just to see how the people would react to them being introduced as optional DLC for $9.99. :D

[Tempest Kane]

My sadistic side wants to see TEW2010 released without Umbrella Organisations, just to see how the people would react to them being introduced as optional DLC for $9.99. :D

As much as i want it... id go without it if that was the case :P

Not due to the additional cost, hell if the main cost of the main game was put up due to it , thats fine... but i seriously object to the use of DLC's in other games and refuse to pay for them on principle alone.

If that was the case every man and his dog would start charging for mods :P

[Gigas]

Has the suggestions forum been flooded with people requesting to be able to search for tag teams via the characters section? I really hope that makes the game.

[Tweek It]

I wonder if I import my '91 game, can I make WSX debut in whatever year it did as owned by MTV.

[Craig Edwards]

I wonder if I import my '91 game, can I make WSX debut in whatever year it did as owned by MTV.

i remember that, how long did that last anyway. I remember it using alot of hardcore matches

[Tweek It]

Yea, around '06. WSX actually had a pretty awesome roster. I planned on trying to reach that in my '91 game. I went to 2016 in my last WWE game that I started when I first got TEW08 until I got bored with it.

[Moe Hunter]

Only thing that might be missing (and perhaps added to the next game) is something like the Comcast-NBC thing (cable/PPV provider owning a TV network).

It's truly like a ladder system and makes those related networks (like Sky Sports or the like) more attractive since it's a way to "get in on the ground floor", so to speak.

Speaking of which... In New Zealand (Australia, and I think the UK as well), Sky TV also incorporates Sky Boxoffice, which is its PPV supply. I don't know whether it's part of one deal, or two separate deals, but WWE TV Shows (Raw, SD, ECW, Superstars) all are on a Sky TV Channel "The Box", and WWE PPVs are exclusively shown on Sky Boxoffice.

[Gnrfan]

Speaking of which... In New Zealand (Australia, and I think the UK as well), Sky TV also incorporates Sky Boxoffice, which is its PPV supply. I don't know whether it's part of one deal, or two separate deals, but WWE TV Shows (Raw, SD, ECW, Superstars) all are on a Sky TV Channel "The Box", and WWE PPVs are exclusively shown on Sky Boxoffice.

Yeah good point. You not only get a place for your TV show but you get a PPV carrier too.

Wonder if thats part of the deal in TEW10

[Jennie Bomb]

As much as i want it... id go without it if that was the case :P

Not due to the additional cost, hell if the main cost of the main game was put up due to it , thats fine... but i seriously object to the use of DLC's in other games and refuse to pay for them on principle alone.

If that was the case every man and his dog would start charging for mods :P
Why? DLC is wonderful.

[Blackman]

Why? DLC is wonderful.

On paper it certainly is wonderful, and has potential. In practice it allows the devs to bring out unfinished products, and keep content they normally include in the full game as DLC.

Post-factum a lot of stuff CAN indeed be added. But the facts are devs are planning a game towards DLC, and that's perverse (not the perv kind a way, but DLC was nog intended for that). :D

Like he said, everyone starts charging for simple stuff.

[Woodsmeister]

Loving the excel journal entry will save me alot of time as I usually enter it all in myself :)

[FlameSnoopy]

Cool addition, should make things a lot faster :)

[praguepride]

Wow, finally we get spreedsheets. Thank you so much, this will be a huge time saver for me.


I'd classify this as one of those "huge features"...definitely. Now playing '08 makes it seem so primitive...

[Apupunchau@optonline]

Now this is the feature for me. Hmm hmm spreadsheet goodness.

[Tempest Kane]

I have a folder on my pc with 43 text files all 6kb+ , all my rosters and push plans for every game of TEW i have played in 08, i have the file next to my TEW client as i play so that no matter what screen i'am on ingame i can always have all the info open to me when i make a choice, i have a similar folder for WMMA2, i spend so much time maintaining them and adding on the useful bits of info that can lead to uber victorys and avoid failures that i often dont even play much of the game time wise during a TEW session... this feature will not only streamline my ocd regarding this .txt issue, but it will most likely bring all kinds of new info to my finger tips, im very happy with this one.

[Purple Cowboy]

Now this is the feature for me. Hmm hmm spreadsheet goodness.

Same here!

[LFC_chris]

I have a folder on my pc with 43 text files all 6kb+ , all my rosters and push plans for every game of TEW i have played in 08, i have the file next to my TEW client as i play so that no matter what screen i'am on ingame i can always have all the info open to me when i make a choice, i have a similar folder for WMMA2, i spend so much time maintaining them and adding on the useful bits of info that can lead to uber victorys and avoid failures that i often dont even play much of the game time wise during a TEW session... this feature will not only streamline my ocd regarding this .txt issue, but it will most likely bring all kinds of new info to my finger tips, im very happy with this one.

Yeah same here. Really happy with this addition.

[cappyboy]

For me, the latest entry is a pretty minor feature. But I can see its value to our modders and crunch-heads out there so I'm thrilled for them. Gotta love Brother Ryland. Once again, working the ole something for everybody magic.

[The Masked Orange]

This new feature is too complicated for my brain!

[lazorbeak]

I doubt I will use this feature, therefore I hate it and would like it replaced with some sort of feature that gives bad players a minor electric shock for playing the game poorly.

[Sons of Kohral]

Finally!!!! This is great, spreadsheets at our fingertips.