Upcoming Scummies

[Wallbanger]

Hey folks,

Now that we're rolling headlong into the holiday season and with a breather between games I wanted to ping the group about a couple of Scummies-related things.

Typically outlaw has been my partner-in-crime running the Scummies but with his hiatus ongoing I'm presuming he won't be around to help out. So this is an early call for folks who would like to volunteer to help out with this year's Scummies. Or for that matter, if there's enough interest, I'm more than happy to pass the mantle of Scummies Master of Ceremonies to another. I think we have a good foundation of procedures to work with; running the Scummies isn't hard, just time consuming.

Also, this is as good a time and as good a thread as any to collect suggestions/ideas/input that would make the Scummies even better. It's our chance to recognize the community at large and we should want it to be as good as it can be.

So...have at it folks!

[praguepride]

I'm willing to help and I have time!

[lprock]

I'm willing to sit on the sidelines and cheer you guys on while you work.

[Imarevenant]

As far as suggestions go. Here were the categories last year:

Best Roleclaim:
Funniest Roleclaim:
Best Role:
Panix Award:
BIP-Town:
BIP-Mafia:
BIP-Cult:
BIP-Mason/Indy:
Best Group:
Best Discussion:
Best Scum Catcher:
Best Serial Killer:
Funniest Player:
Most Prolific:
Most Enjoyable Game:
Best Night Scene:
Best Overall Writeups:
Most Improved:
Best Moderator:
Most Dramatic Moment:
Rookie of the Year:
Best Botch:
Most Underrated:
Hall of Fame (5 points):
Hall of Fame (3 points):
Hall of Fame (1 point):



Wondering if their are any new categories to look at. Only thing I can think of is having a best Long Game and best Short Game perhaps.

[lprock]

Don't forget to add in Worst Player and Averagest Player.

[Destiny]

Don't forget to add in Worst Player and Averagest Player.

Averagest player? I think that's a little nonsensical. I don't think it's fair to have a "Worst Player" category either.

[Imarevenant]

Averagest player? I think that's a little nonsensical. I don't think it's fair to have a "Worst Player" category either.

pssst.....we aren't supposed to take lprock seriously. Like ever ;)

[mjdgoldeneye]

Maybe I can win something this year! :D

[Tha Black Phenom]

Most Favorite Phase?

[Wallbanger]

One I saw on mafiascum.net that I liked was 'Best Performance in a Losing Effort'.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Most Favorite Phase?

You mean for our game or that should be a category?

I agree either way... :D

It's a bit vague, though.

As far as suggestions go. Here were the categories last year:

Best Roleclaim:
Funniest Roleclaim:
Best Role:
Panix Award:
BIP-Town:
BIP-Mafia:
BIP-Cult:
BIP-Mason/Indy:
Best Group:
Best Discussion:
Best Scum Catcher:
Best Serial Killer:
Funniest Player:
Most Prolific:
Most Enjoyable Game:
Best Night Scene:
Best Overall Writeups:
Most Improved:
Best Moderator:
Most Dramatic Moment:
Rookie of the Year:
Best Botch:
Most Underrated:
Hall of Fame (5 points):
Hall of Fame (3 points):
Hall of Fame (1 point):

Wondering if their are any new categories to look at. Only thing I can think of is having a best Long Game and best Short Game perhaps.

I think we can break some categories up, perhaps, to add new ones. I think "best" ends up getting kind of lost as a definable attribute in some cases.

Here's me randomly breaking them up:

Roleclaim Awards:
Most Strategic Claim:
Best Fake Claim:
Most Shocking Claim:
Funniest Roleclaim:

Game Development/Modding Awards:
Most Complete/Best Thought-out Game:
Favorite Role:
Favorite Game Mechanic:
Best Night Scene:
Best Overall Writeups:
Most Enjoyable Game:
Best Moderator:

Individual Performance Awards:
Individual Town:
Individual Mafia:
Individual Cult/Mason:
Individual Indy:
Best Serial Killer:
Best Scum Catcher:
(Why was Mason/Indy matched up? How does a townie group and a single player share common ground? Also, do indy/serial killer need to be separate? Maybe this year... There's 2 ringers at SK.)

Group Awards:
Best Town:
Best Masons:
Best Mafia/Cult:
(Best group is a bit too inclusive. Each group is a different kind of monster. You can't compare a cult and a town...)

Misc. Individual Awards:
Best Discussion:
Panix Award:
Funniest Player:
Most Prolific:
Most Improved:
Most Underrated:
Rookie of the Year:

Event Awards:
Most Dramatic Moment:
Best Botch:
The "Oh Snap" Award:
(The above would be for a sudden revelation or action that results in epicness...)

Hall of Fame:
Hall of Fame (5 points):
Hall of Fame (3 points):
Hall of Fame (1 point):

I'd like to pimp the ending to Outbreak as soon as possible. :D At least I liked it... ;)

[Destiny]

It looks as though I'm going to have go to back and read some of these games, as I can't even remember the ending to Outbreak.

[Derek B]

Indeed. Before nominations come up it would be a good idea to post a list of the games from this year... and wherever possible, I'd suggest the mod post his own opinions on the top players in that particular game. I always mean to get mods to post their own mini-awards at the end of each game to make nominating for Scummies that much easier. :)

[Destiny]

Indeed. Before nominations come up it would be a good idea to post a list of the games from this year... and wherever possible, I'd suggest the mod post his own opinions on the top players in that particular game. I always mean to get mods to post their own mini-awards at the end of each game to make nominating for Scummies that much easier. :)

That is a tremendous idea, although it may be hard tracking down some of the earlier mods.

[lprock]

pssst.....we aren't supposed to take lprock seriously. Like ever ;)

When did this happen and why was I not informed? :(

[ShadowedFlames]

Indeed. Before nominations come up it would be a good idea to post a list of the games from this year... and wherever possible, I'd suggest the mod post his own opinions on the top players in that particular game. I always mean to get mods to post their own mini-awards at the end of each game to make nominating for Scummies that much easier. :)

I like this; will get the FF Mafia ones done over the next week or so.

[Destiny]

I like this; will get the FF Mafia ones done over the next week or so.

Good man. That's a few mods who will readily be able to produce their own personal awards.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I have an awful memory, but I have to put Rev's name out there for Best Serial Killer. He won... :D (I systematically removed names from my notepad that listed who had what role. Because my game was "dark" and I've been clearing my PM's recently, I don't have a complete record of who was who. I can remember most stuff though and can probably narrow things down... :D)

If we add the "Best Performance in a Losing Effort", I have to say Prophet in Outbreak fits the description. It literally came down to him and Rev and he did what he could with what he had.

ShadowedFlames did really well too. All of the survivors did. Gonvick (or whoever was Louis) did good by finding all of his teammates nearly immediately. It was amazing. :)

The Infected did well too. Lot's of shenanigans.

Tricell had a shot, but it wasn't apparent. They weren't very active and Ada never used her politician power that literally could have won them the game near the end.

Some of my favorite roles died early including The Merchant and the Las Plagas cult leader.

MNN had a WTF moment by killing a townie with his 1-shot kill.

PP and Bluestar used some lying to take down Arrows.

I nearly forgot that Shaun and Ed won as well (MLT and Self).

Lastly, M-ded was a town leader to some extent. he knew a lot about zombie stuff and had a useful role.

(Actually, lastly, something the game never saw publicly was the Infected contemplating claiming Carlos Oliveira... He died in the opening... :p)

Rev was obviously MVP, but Prophet was runner up by a tiny margin.

[Antithesis]

I agree with many of MJ's suggestions except I don't see a difference between best strategic claim and best fake claim, because unless you are lying about your claim (best fake claim) there isn't really much strategy in just admitting a claim.

also, iirc, the list for long games that would go under this year's award starts with Southpark. I am not sure about short games though

[SeanMcFly]

Perhaps a best 'Blonde Moment' Award for a certain You-know-who ? ;)

[moon_lit_tears]

Perhaps a best 'Blonde Moment' Award for a certain You-know-who ? ;)

I have so many of those........

[Imarevenant]

Indeed. Before nominations come up it would be a good idea to post a list of the games from this year... and wherever possible, I'd suggest the mod post his own opinions on the top players in that particular game. I always mean to get mods to post their own mini-awards at the end of each game to make nominating for Scummies that much easier. :)

Just so everyone knows, I already have a list of games moderated this year on the second post of the Temp. Future Games thread ;)

I like the idea of mods posting their own mini-awards as a way of reminding everyone of the events that happened in games that many may have forgotten.

[Jman2k3]

best fake claim

Me as Alex Krycek

or Gruntmark as George W. Bush.

[BlueStar]

Ouch...I need to look back on games before nominating. Can anyone post links to the threads or list the games that are contenders?

[BlueStar]

Wallbanger, I'm volunteering as well if you need help!

[Antithesis]

Just so everyone knows, I already have a list of games moderated this year on the second post of the Temp. Future Games thread ;)



Looked at your list, pretty certain that last Year SouthPark was running during the awards nomination phase so it was decided Southpark would be included in this year's bunch.

I know several people had problems with the game, but I do think it should be in the general list for consideration.

[Jman2k3]

Best Role: Arrows as the Penguin in Gotham Knights.

Didn't get to play it but he had everyone convinced he was town. I don't care if the Peguin is reformed in the comics or claims to be, the guy still breaks the law just in his cool club he owns to make it seem legal lol. You all bought the claim hook, line, and sinker.

[Antithesis]

Best Role: Arrows as the Penguin in Gotham Knights.

Didn't get to play it but he had everyone convinced he was town. I don't care if the Peguin is reformed in the comics or claims to be, the guy still breaks the law just in his cool club he owns to make it seem legal lol. You all bought the claim hook, line, and sinker.

Wrong year

[SuperOwens]

Interesting, I think SP may have been my first game. First big game anyway (this may be wrong as my memory isn't great)

Anyway, never seen the fabled scummies before. Let me know if I can help out at all.

[Antithesis]

From Rev's thread


1/5/09 Mafia: Springfield Under Siege
2/11/09 SIN: Every Act Has Consequences
3/23/09 Transformers: Battle for Autobot City
5/4/09 Final Fantasy Mafia: Light Beyond the Darkness
6/2/09 Power Rangers Mafia
7/10/09 Outbreak Mafia
8/13/09 Science Fiction Chaos
10/06/09 Webcomic Mafia (incomplete due to inactivity)


Short:

1/20/09 Recess Mafia: The Ultimate Rebellion
2/10/09 The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
3/4/09 Destroy All Monsters!
6/22/09 DUST
7/25/09 Meme Mafia
8/23/09 Character Creation Mafia
9/15/09 Darkwing Duck Mafia
10/05/09 Super Silliness Mafia


Links


Last years Noms/Awards
http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37686
http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38168


Links to games that qualify for 2009
Long Form
SouthPark http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36502
Springfield http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37570
SIN http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38548
Transformers http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39274
Final Fantasy http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42152
Power Rangers http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=44362
Outbreak http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=47621
Science Fiction Chaos http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=50346
Webcomics http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56032




Short Form

Recess Mafia http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38056
Oblivion: The Elder Scrolls http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38532
Destroy All Monsters! http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=38946
Dust http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=46138
Meme Mafia http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=48735
Character Creation http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51061
Darkwing Duck http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53595
Super Silliness Mafia http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55916

[Derek B]

Wow, I've only played 8 games that qualify this year. Feels like I shoulda played more, and yet I feel like I've done so much. Don't forget my awesome Ghostbusters based claim from Destroy All Monsters! :D

[Comradebot]

Wow, I've only played 8 games that qualify this year. Feels like I shoulda played more, and yet I feel like I've done so much. Don't forget my awesome Ghostbusters based claim from Destroy All Monsters! :D

And don't forget my awesome play in Destroy All Monsters!

Zoolander>Clover

[BlueStar]

Ouch, I had a poor-ish run this year. I got killed on a regular basis during the early night phases it seems.

Best run undoubtedly as Snarl, survivor Dinobot where I spent the last day phases siding with Rev. Most active during The Simpsons as Milhouse.

I'll make nominations later on today or tomorrow.

[Tha Black Phenom]

/promotes Outbreak as epic game :D

Glad to be a part of one of the few scum teams who won this year.

Question though, shouldn't Sunnydale be included in the noms or will we make the nominees and such right away? It is November, so maybe it's best to wait?

[ShadowedFlames]

Wow, I've only played 8 games that qualify this year. Feels like I shoulda played more, and yet I feel like I've done so much. Don't forget my awesome Ghostbusters based claim from Destroy All Monsters! :D

Don't feel bad, I've only been in 7 that I can recall for the year. Just feels like more based on length of play, I suppose. :D

[praguepride]

Wow, I've only played 8 games that qualify this year. Feels like I shoulda played more, and yet I feel like I've done so much. Don't forget my awesome Ghostbusters based claim from Destroy All Monsters! :D

Woo! I beat derek. 9 baby (4 long, 5 short)


5/4/09 Final Fantasy Mafia: Light Beyond the Darkness - lost as scum :( *shakes fist at derek
6/2/09 Power Rangers Mafia - won as mason
7/10/09 Outbreak Mafia - lost as mason
8/13/09 Science Fiction Chaos - lost as cult/mason/townie *shakes fist at astil
10/06/09 Webcomic Mafia (incomplete due to inactivity) - ????


Short:

6/22/09 DUST - won/survived as indy sherriff
7/25/09 Meme Mafia - lost as cult :(
8/23/09 Character Creation Mafia - lost as town thief *shakes first at Rev
9/15/09 Darkwing Duck Mafia - won/survived as town
10/05/09 Super Silliness Mafia - won as town


But we're forgetting the Micro game:
10/27/09 - Pirates Micro Thread - m_l_t won & survived as scum!

[moon_lit_tears]

Woo! I beat derek. 9 baby (4 long, 5 short)


5/4/09 Final Fantasy Mafia: Light Beyond the Darkness - lost as scum :( *shakes fist at derek
6/2/09 Power Rangers Mafia - won as mason
7/10/09 Outbreak Mafia - lost as mason
8/13/09 Science Fiction Chaos - lost as cult/mason/townie *shakes fist at astil
10/06/09 Webcomic Mafia (incomplete due to inactivity) - ????


Short:

6/22/09 DUST - won/survived as indy sherriff
7/25/09 Meme Mafia - lost as cult :(
8/23/09 Character Creation Mafia - lost as town thief *shakes first at Rev
9/15/09 Darkwing Duck Mafia - won/survived as town
10/05/09 Super Silliness Mafia - won as town


But we're forgetting the Micro game:
10/27/09 - Pirates Micro Thread - m_l_t won & survived as scum!


Wow....I played every game?


Winning was by luck in that game. Reallllllly not worth talking about :)

[Destiny]

I played every game apart from the recent Pirate micro game, as I missed the sign-ups for that.

[Wallbanger]

Just to be clear, this isn't the official nominations thread, but shameless plugs won't be discouraged either. :D

[ShadowedFlames]

Nah, I'm not gonna go the shameless plug route. Not my style. Though I plan to have my mod awards for FF posted tonight; going through my notes in what slow periods I can get and have most of them jotted down.

[praguepride]

Roleclaim Awards:
Most Strategic Claim: (this represents laying down the groundwork and having an actual gameplan for survival).
Best Fake Claim: (Just overall best/most believable fake claim).
Most Shocking Claim: I'm thinking this could be true or false claim, just the most surprising one.
Funniest Roleclaim: (probably a botch moment, like claiming to be character X when the real character X is leading your lynch :D)

Game Development/Modding Awards:
Most Complete/Best Thought-out Game:
Favorite Role:
Favorite Game Mechanic:
Best Night Scene:
Best Overall Writeups:
Most Enjoyable Game:
Best Moderator:

Individual Performance Awards:
Individual Town:
Individual Mafia:
Individual Cult/Mason:
Individual Indy:
Best Serial Killer:
Best Scum Catcher:

Group Awards:
Best Town:
Best Masons:
Best Mafia:
Best Cult:

Misc. Individual Awards:
Best Discussion:
Panix Award: (what's the panix award?)
Funniest Player:
Most Prolific:
Most Improved:
Most Underrated:
Rookie of the Year:

Event Awards:
Most Dramatic Moment:
Best Botch:
The "Oh Snap" Award:
(The above would be for a sudden revelation or action that results in epicness...)

Hall of Fame:
Hall of Fame (5 points):
Hall of Fame (3 points):
Hall of Fame (1 point):


My thoughts and opinionis, especially on the role claim stuff.

[praguepride]

Let's see, the only moments in Pirates Micro (if it even counts) is possibly an "oh Snap" or "botch" award when Tha Black Phenom second guessed himself and didn't lynch moon_lit_tears, despite everyone (including himself) talking about how scummy she was acting.

[Astil]

Panix is the most likely to be lynched day 1 award

[Imarevenant]

Looked at your list, pretty certain that last Year SouthPark was running during the awards nomination phase so it was decided Southpark would be included in this year's bunch.

I know several people had problems with the game, but I do think it should be in the general list for consideration.

You are right.

Forgot that the Southpark game was running during the nominations so wasn't included last year.

[praguepride]

I'd like to remind people about my completely awesome Darkwing Duck run JOAT run.

I killed C-bot by busdriving him, bluffed Arrows into the noose and protected Tha Black Phenom from a scum kill.

I think every single JOAT I used was effective :D

[i effin rule]

I'd like to remind people about my completely awesome Darkwing Duck run JOAT run.

I killed C-bot by busdriving him, bluffed Arrows into the noose and protected Tha Black Phenom from a scum kill.

I think every single JOAT I used was effective :D

First one wasn't part of your JOAT, it was part of you being Launchpad.


Man that Morgana role sure was nifty, turning characters into other characters and what not :p;)


I'm getting together with Rev to come up with some post game awardsy type stuff for DUST. I think the indie award for that game would definitely go to bak42 for robbing the town blind and still winning.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I agree with many of MJ's suggestions except I don't see a difference between best strategic claim and best fake claim, because unless you are lying about your claim (best fake claim) there isn't really much strategy in just admitting a claim.

also, iirc, the list for long games that would go under this year's award starts with Southpark. I am not sure about short games though

There's a time and place for roleclaiming and knowing when to share who you are (or who you're pretending to be) is a major factor.

Roleclaim Awards:
Most Strategic Claim: (this represents laying down the groundwork and having an actual gameplan for survival).
Best Fake Claim: (Just overall best/most believable fake claim).
Most Shocking Claim: I'm thinking this could be true or false claim, just the most surprising one.
Funniest Roleclaim: (probably a botch moment, like claiming to be character X when the real character X is leading your lynch :D)

"Shocking" I think would be any substantially unexpected claim that has a major effect. Basically any claim to which Ron Simmons saying "DAMN!" would fit.

And, as far as shameless plugs go, can I get prolific player this year maybe? I've been involved consistently since the beginning of mafia on these boards! Seeing as I'm not a massive troll, I think I've built up enough "meaningful contribution" to get something! :D

I also have to advocate for the Power Rangers in Power Rangers. Even though I was a member, they (and quickly after, we) got a lot done. The fake message also has to be nominated for something. That was brilliant and ballsy and entirely not my idea. :p

The small games had the best new game mechanics. My favorite was Character Creation's system. DUST and Destroy All Monsters! had some good stuff too, but things tended to get a little hard to see as far as the big picture went.

I like my Green Ranger role and my role in Super Silliness. In SS, I was "The Shape". I could select my role title and it had unadvertised effects on things, most noticeably flavor. It seems the more unique roles in Outbreak died early, but I thought the Boomer and Hunter were pretty good. Not especially notable, though. Maybe TBP will remember something. The Tank was one of the most terrifying and dominating killers I've seen.

I don't know if this is more "best mafia" or "biggest botch", but the town was completely off on every occasion in Oblivion. The mafia won flawlessly without much intervention.

The ending to Outbreak (http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showpost.php?p=679949&postcount=1809) was pretty awesomely bleak in my mind. At that point, you knew someone was going to win, but not who. It was pretty intense. I thought I did good on the write-ups. The mid-day interludes weren't meaningful, but they were fun. The opening nuclear incident was pretty noteworthy too.

I think C-Bot deserves the Panix Award. He can't catch a break.

Most Enjoyable would probably be close between Power Rangers and Character Creation for me.

Enough for now... This isn't the noms thread anyway... :p

[ShadowedFlames]

MOD'S AWARDS (FINAL FANTASY MAFIA: LIGHT BEYOND THE DARKNESS)
***NOTE: I've edited these into the opening post of the FF Mafia thread as well.***

MVP goes to Self. I admit that I may have been TOO detailed with some of the stuff I wrote, but chalk that up to wanting to capture the essence of Final Fantasy in this game. Self just took the info and basically led the Gullwings—and the town—to victory. Honorable mention: Zero9teen.

Scum MVP: Derek_b. Until The Two was lynched, he had quite a bit of the town thinking he was still one of them; he did well to hold on as long as he did.

"Scum Group Most Likely to Implode" award goes to the Gestahl Empire (Machinesxe, mjdgoldeneye, Librarian).

Best Scene, and this is me simply stroking what ego I have, goes to the skipped day phase (Day Four). That was the most fun I had in writing out a scene the entire game.

Most Underrated in this game: Jaded. If he hadn't continually blocked Astil from recruiting, the Ivalice Alliance would have been a cult when all was said and done. By sticking to his guns, Jaded actually helped preserve a town win, though at the time the game was played I was pulling my hair in frustration, hoping Jaded would find something else to do at night. :p

Best Roleclaim: praguepride as Rinoa Heartilly (false). This drew the real Rinoa (Derek) into the open, and so was ultimately a smart move by the Dark Omen.

Funniest Roleclaim: mjdgoldeneye as Sora (false). Really…Kingdom Hearts in my Final Fantasy?

[moon_lit_tears]

MOD'S AWARDS (FINAL FANTASY MAFIA: LIGHT BEYOND THE DARKNESS)
***NOTE: I've edited these into the opening post of the FF Mafia thread as well.***

MVP goes to Self. I admit that I may have been TOO detailed with some of the stuff I wrote, but chalk that up to wanting to capture the essence of Final Fantasy in this game. Self just took the info and basically led the Gullwings—and the town—to victory. Honorable mention: Zero9teen.

Scum MVP: Derek_b. Until The Two was lynched, he had quite a bit of the town thinking he was still one of them; he did well to hold on as long as he did.

"Scum Group Most Likely to Implode" award goes to the Gestahl Empire (Machinesxe, mjdgoldeneye, Librarian).

Best Scene, and this is me simply stroking what ego I have, goes to the skipped day phase (Day Four). That was the most fun I had in writing out a scene the entire game.

Most Underrated in this game: Jaded. If he hadn't continually blocked Astil from recruiting, the Ivalice Alliance would have been a cult when all was said and done. By sticking to his guns, Jaded actually helped preserve a town win, though at the time the game was played I was pulling my hair in frustration, hoping Jaded would find something else to do at night. :p

Best Roleclaim: praguepride as Rinoa Heartilly (false). This drew the real Rinoa (Derek) into the open, and so was ultimately a smart move by the Dark Omen.

Funniest Roleclaim: mjdgoldeneye as Sora (false). Really…Kingdom Hearts in my Final Fantasy?



I called that as soon as I seen it.

[Destiny]

MOD'S AWARDS (FINAL FANTASY MAFIA: LIGHT BEYOND THE DARKNESS)
***NOTE: I've edited these into the opening post of the FF Mafia thread as well.***

MVP goes to Self. I admit that I may have been TOO detailed with some of the stuff I wrote, but chalk that up to wanting to capture the essence of Final Fantasy in this game. Self just took the info and basically led the Gullwings—and the town—to victory. Honorable mention: Zero9teen.

Scum MVP: Derek_b. Until The Two was lynched, he had quite a bit of the town thinking he was still one of them; he did well to hold on as long as he did.

"Scum Group Most Likely to Implode" award goes to the Gestahl Empire (Machinesxe, mjdgoldeneye, Librarian).

Best Scene, and this is me simply stroking what ego I have, goes to the skipped day phase (Day Four). That was the most fun I had in writing out a scene the entire game.

Most Underrated in this game: Jaded. If he hadn't continually blocked Astil from recruiting, the Ivalice Alliance would have been a cult when all was said and done. By sticking to his guns, Jaded actually helped preserve a town win, though at the time the game was played I was pulling my hair in frustration, hoping Jaded would find something else to do at night. :p

Best Roleclaim: praguepride as Rinoa Heartilly (false). This drew the real Rinoa (Derek) into the open, and so was ultimately a smart move by the Dark Omen.

Funniest Roleclaim: mjdgoldeneye as Sora (false). Really…Kingdom Hearts in my Final Fantasy?

Thanks for your detailed thoughts. I had alot of fun in that game when I was Cecil.

[Slim Jim]

Chuck Norris approves of these awards.

That was in no way a tongue in cheek suggestion that I deserve anything.

[Derek B]

I'm looking at the various categories and wishing I'd started keeping notes on games as I was playing/reading them. Each year I have trouble remembering what happened in each game and who was who... and this year is no different!

But based on my own memories of my own roles, I think I've got a shot at about 4 things. I just fear that some of my claims will be overlooked somewhat... Ghostbusters was perfect in that no-one doubted it... and my own favourite claim/death was in SIN, which almost bagged me the Don with my death play. It was perfectly worked out, up to the point where the Don had a substitute ability. I can't remember if it was Banger or Nevvy, but I totally laid out the trap and they went for it. Best use of a bad role EVAR! :D

And enough self promotion, time to see how many more scum MPV awards I've picked up this year despite being on the losing side. I die too early to get townie MVP awards, but never so early that I don't get scum first. :p

[praguepride]

Chuck Norris approves of these awards.

That was in no way a tongue in cheek suggestion that I deserve anything.

Best role, hands down. Chuck F-n Norris :D

Although Sam Beckett was insanely cool even though the wording on it made me not only lose but drag the whole town down.

Hell, I should get MVP Cult award even though I wasn't cult. Honest! I swear I wasn't cult :D

[Imarevenant]

Best role, hands down. Chuck F-n Norris :D

Although Sam Beckett was insanely cool even though the wording on it made me not only lose but drag the whole town down.

Hell, I should get MVP Cult award even though I wasn't cult. Honest! I swear I wasn't cult :D

There are some very inventive roles in Anti's SIN that definitely give Chuck a run for the money though. He made some downright beastly scum roles for that game.

[Destiny]

There are some very inventive roles in Anti's SIN that definitely give Chuck a run for the money though. He made some downright beastly scum roles for that game.

SIN was a good game. I ended up getting modkilled in that though, so it brings back bad memories.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Funniest Roleclaim: mjdgoldeneye as Sora (false). Really…Kingdom Hearts in my Final Fantasy?

Yea, Sora. It was a Final Fantasy game and I never played a Final Fantasy game. Kingdom Hearts for all intents and purposes is a Disney themed Final Fantasy game. (No, it's not a Final Fantasy themed Disney game... It was made by Square and was based around human Square characters who were in a Disney context.)

I'm not going to say it wasn't funny, but to pretty much any non-Final Fantasy die hard, I don't see the claim being that ridiculous. And, considering my near impossible situation to start with and lack of knowledge, I see it as a pretty much optimal attempt.

I wouldn't be offended to be nominated or win because it was a random claim out of a corner (why didn't I get anything for Liquid Man?). However, smugness worthy blasphemy it was not.

(I'll take Sora over your over rated Sephiroth anyday... :D)

I called that as soon as I seen it.

That doesn't earn cookie points. You couldn't have known I was lying one way or the other until I died or the game ended. Plus, it's not that hard of a role to not believe.

[moon_lit_tears]

Yea, Sora. It was a Final Fantasy game and I never played a Final Fantasy game. Kingdom Hearts for all intents and purposes is a Disney themed Final Fantasy game. (No, it's not a Final Fantasy themed Disney game... It was made by Square and was based around human Square characters who were in a Disney context.)

I'm not going to say it wasn't funny, but to pretty much any non-Final Fantasy die hard, I don't see the claim being that ridiculous. And, considering my near impossible situation to start with and lack of knowledge, I see it as a pretty much optimal attempt.

I wouldn't be offended to be nominated or win because it was a random claim out of a corner (why didn't I get anything for Liquid Man?). However, smugness worthy blasphemy it was not.

(I'll take Sora over your over rated Sephiroth anyday... :D)



That doesn't earn cookie points. You couldn't have known I was lying one way or the other until I died or the game ended. Plus, it's not that hard of a role to not believe.

I wasn't trying to earn points. I am just saying that I knew you were not Sora the minute you said it on the board.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I wasn't trying to earn points. I am just saying that I knew you were not Sora the minute you said it on the board.

You didn't know. You were confident and turned out correct. You could have easily been wrong.

Until the outcome was determined, you didn't know anything.

I'm simply annoyed when people die (in general) and someone yells "called it" or "I knew it all along". The fact is, they didn't. Where were they BEFORE the outcome was determined. At least that way they'd be able to show they were certainly confident. (They could have "known" for all intents and purposes who someone was if they actually got a fact at night or something. Having a guy reaction and sticking with it isn't knowledge.)

I'm not criticizing you, I'm just pointing out a pet peeve and a widespread fallacy.

[moon_lit_tears]

You didn't know. You were confident and turned out correct. You could have easily been wrong.

Until the outcome was determined, you didn't know anything.

I'm simply annoyed when people die (in general) and someone yells "called it" or "I knew it all along". The fact is, they didn't. Where were they BEFORE the outcome was determined. At least that way they'd be able to show they were certainly confident. (They could have "known" for all intents and purposes who someone was if they actually got a fact at night or something. Having a guy reaction and sticking with it isn't knowledge.)

I'm not criticizing you, I'm just pointing out a pet peeve and a widespread fallacy.


Funny......


Interesting part is, I have never seen this pop up anywhere else for you MJ..So I kinda feel like your directing that at me alittle bit and that bothers me. That bothers me because I have done nothing wrong to anyone on this board (that I am aware of) and I finally do a few things right and you say something like that....sheesh....Ok I will shut up now.

[ShadowedFlames]

You didn't know. You were confident and turned out correct. You could have easily been wrong.

Until the outcome was determined, you didn't know anything.

I'm simply annoyed when people die (in general) and someone yells "called it" or "I knew it all along". The fact is, they didn't. Where were they BEFORE the outcome was determined. At least that way they'd be able to show they were certainly confident. (They could have "known" for all intents and purposes who someone was if they actually got a fact at night or something. Having a guy reaction and sticking with it isn't knowledge.)

I'm not criticizing you, I'm just pointing out a pet peeve and a widespread fallacy.

Counterpoint, MJD.

MLT knows from personal experience that I know Final Fantasy. Is it a bit of metagaming to think that I would willingly not throw a KH character into a FF game? Maybe. But that was a conclusion she drew on her own based off of what she knew of the Final Fantasy series and what she's seen me work on in person in terms of video games before. She just took the information she's seen from past experiences, and applied it to a Mafia game. That's as much metagaming as "X hasn't been on the forums in 3.5 minutes, LYNCH!!!"

If the roles were reversed--say, I made a Wild Arms Mafia (a series in which she knows nearly backwards and forwards), was the final boss of one of the games, and tried to claim someone from Final Fantasy or Diablo, you'd be calling shenanigans too despite not knowing much of the series, right?

Point is, while you made a technically sound roleclaim, she didn't think it meshed with Final Fantasy, and called you on it. It does not mean we can't appreciate the claim for what it is, and move on from there.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Funny......


Interesting part is, I have never seen this pop up anywhere else for you MJ..So I kinda feel like your directing that at me alittle bit and that bothers me. That bothers me because I have done nothing wrong to anyone on this board (that I am aware of) and I finally do a few things right and you say something like that....sheesh....Ok I will shut up now.

You didn't do anything wrong. You reminded me something that annoys me. I bring it up every time someone acts smug after a lynch.

Counterpoint, MJD.

MLT knows from personal experience that I know Final Fantasy. Is it a bit of metagaming to think that I would willingly not throw a KH character into a FF game? Maybe. But that was a conclusion she drew on her own based off of what she knew of the Final Fantasy series and what she's seen me work on in person in terms of video games before. She just took the information she's seen from past experiences, and applied it to a Mafia game. That's as much metagaming as "X hasn't been on the forums in 3.5 minutes, LYNCH!!!"

If the roles were reversed--say, I made a Wild Arms Mafia (a series in which she knows nearly backwards and forwards), was the final boss of one of the games, and tried to claim someone from Final Fantasy or Diablo, you'd be calling shenanigans too despite not knowing much of the series, right?

Point is, while you made a technically sound roleclaim, she didn't think it meshed with Final Fantasy, and called you on it. It does not mean we can't appreciate the claim for what it is, and move on from there.

I'm not defending my claim or saying people shouldn't have been confident enough to lynch me, I'm just saying logistically speaking you can't "know" something without there being proper implications to back it up.

There's a point at which the possibility of being incorrect is close enough to zero that you can behave as if you knew something (understood inclusion of a character not yet claimed not leaving room for a claim or a completely irrelevant claim), but you can never know something without facts.

Unless there's restrictions on what roles could exist, you can't know who someone is or know who they aren't. Batman being in a Strawberry Shortcake game can be thrown out because we're human. But, do we know he's not there? No, not unless it's stated "no Batmen in this game".

I'm a computer science major and I'm interested in statistics, probability, discrete math, and so on. It bothers me when people start blurring the lines between intuition and logic. It's a somewhat irrational pet peeve, but I didn't intend on filling multiple posts with this. :D Humanity is the ability to utilize both. Bad stuff happens when you confuse the two, though.

Was it fair to throw out my claim as utter impossibility? That's not my responsibility to decide. Did anyone "know" I was lying besides anyone who actually saw my role? No. (My team couldn't even technically know who I was. But, as I said, making a decision based on a set of conditions and making a statement based on the same set are two very different things.)

So, that was my rant. Learn from it. I'm getting tired of people setting up crazy premises, killing someone, seeing they're who they expected, and then ignoring the fact that their premises weren't valid. It's just as important that you know why something is true as it is that you choose correctly in mafia!! Everything intertwines!! Just saying "Well, I was right..." doesn't help much when you're trying to make decisions later on.

(Edit: When I came up scum in FF, you didn't need to justify me not being Sora. The premise in that case, that I wasn't Sora, was correct. I don't remember what game it was, maybe FF, that someone lied about investigating me all together. If it was FF, I take back the part about not having to justofy my lynch. Whatever the game, me being lynched and coming up scum because of a lie furthers no cause. The one responsible, Sean McFly I believe, had best shared that he lied at some point. Claiming I came up scum and the seeing that I am scum does not imply that the two conditions correlate.)

[ShadowedFlames]

All right, fair enough. Let's move onto a different subject.

[moon_lit_tears]

You didn't do anything wrong. You reminded me something that annoys me. I bring it up every time someone acts smug after a lynch.





Acts sumg????

Are you kidding me?????


Holy ****!

Sorry for the language.

I was actually happy I could help the town NOT smug!

Never did I once act smug.

Nor was my comment in the least bit smug.

What annoys me is the fact that I was happy about something, as I am sure others were when they first started.

The fact is that game I did little to help because FF is not my fav series. This last game was a pretty good one that I could help out in.


I feel sort of attacked here because of this. If you didn't have a problem with me or something why even bring it up? My gosh I know you probably think I sound pretty stupid right now, but the fact of the matter is, I don't claim to be a smart person, but I was happy forgive me for that.

[mjdgoldeneye]

All right, fair enough. Let's move onto a different subject.

**Sigh** Certainly.

I had to respond to your counter. The dismissing "fair enough" burns my soul. :(

(But I don't disagree with it. This isn't the place to debate stuff without it being solicited. I'm just obsessive. Having a point contended and being given an "Enough is enough" as a response to my rebuttal is fascinatingly painful. Why am I still typing. Ignore this post. Nothing to see here.:p)

Help, I'm trapped in a universe factory.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Acts sumg????

Are you kidding me?????


Holy ****!

Sorry for the language.

I was actually happy I could help the town NOT smug!

I never said you were acting smug. As I said, you reminded me of something that annoys me. I went off on a tangent. What I pointed out to you was all I directed at you.

Notice how I went off into a highly technical spiral of analysis. The computer science major is messing with my head. :p

[moon_lit_tears]

All right, fair enough. Let's move onto a different subject.





Was typing and did not see that, but I am done.

[moon_lit_tears]

I never said you were acting smug. As I said, you reminded me of something that annoys me. I went off on a tangent. What I pointed out to you was all I directed at you.

Notice how I went off into a highly technical spiral of analysis. The computer science major is messing with my head. :p


You should be ashamed of yourself. You made me cry :(

[Antithesis]

You didn't know. You were confident and turned out correct. You could have easily been wrong.

Until the outcome was determined, you didn't know anything.

I'm simply annoyed when people die (in general) and someone yells "called it" or "I knew it all along". The fact is, they didn't. Where were they BEFORE the outcome was determined. At least that way they'd be able to show they were certainly confident. (They could have "known" for all intents and purposes who someone was if they actually got a fact at night or something. Having a guy reaction and sticking with it isn't knowledge.)

I'm not criticizing you, I'm just pointing out a pet peeve and a widespread fallacy.

I agree with you to an extent, but there are times when people really do 'know'. An example would be games I've run or helped run where Outlaw will pm me and tell me he figured out who certain players were and what he was going to do about it. Of course, as a mod, I couldn't confirm any of that to him privately or in the game itself, but I could honestly say afterwards that he knew. That said, Outlaw is a special case.


There's a time and place for roleclaiming and knowing when to share who you are (or who you're pretending to be) is a major factor.


Fair enough. AFter all, you are talking to the guy that claimed Gabriel Gray D1 and Warbot D2 for purely game reasons, but excluding fake claims, I can't think of three cases where players claimed something that had a lasting or important impact on the game and they weren't pressured to do so by votes first (thus not strategy per se, but an attempt to keep from being lynched).

Sure, trying to not be lynched might be a strategy (actually, more like a tactic), but in and of itself its not worthy of an award.

[petrija]

This really shouldn't have gotten this far.
It was blown out of proportion and has only escalated.
It's a figure of speech. Relax.

[lprock]

Things are taken too seriously over the internet, you guys should do what I do and just get high.

And honestly, I can understand why we might not want Worst Player, but can we at least contemplate using Averegest Player? That would certainly be quite the award. :cool:

[Wallbanger]

Things are taken too seriously over the internet, you guys should do what I do and just get high.

And honestly, I can understand why we might not want Worst Player, but can we at least contemplate using Averegest Player? That would certainly be quite the award. :cool:


/contemplates

OK, it's been contemplated. :D

[lprock]

pfft, I'd expect that kind of answer from an above average person.

[Self]

You can only ever be 87% sure of anything in Mafia. There have been claims that I've contested in the past, posting that I was "100% sure" they were lies, but the truth is there's always that 13% chance of something out of left-field. Wackiness, man. There are some crazy folks on here runnin' mafia games. Who knows what sick and twisted twists they can conjure up?

[petrija]

"I knew it!" is a figure of speech.

I can't think of a time when I've heard it, and it WASN'T used in the context that someone had taken an educated guess, and been correct; feeling as though they were so sure, they were as close to knowing as you can get without 'actually' knowing.

It's ridiculous and childish that it erupted the way it did. In my opinion, anyway. Which probably doesn't count for much.

And I'm sure the way that it's CONTINUING to be a focal point, is making MLT feel worse about the situation, when she didn't do anything wrong.

Of course, by 'I'm sure', I mean, "I'm as sure as I can get without being sure".

Because, you know. I haven't got the facts and all.

[moon_lit_tears]

GOOOOOOOOD MORNING!

I just want to say I am sorry for being a pain last night.

I should not have let it get to me.

All I ment was that I am not the only one who has said in these games "i knew it I knew it.

But anyway...again I am sorry. It should not have been done like it was and for that I apologize to everyone. :)

[praguepride]

It's ok, drama is the spice of life to internet forums :D

[moon_lit_tears]

It's ok, drama is the spice of life to internet forums :D


Stop being so nice to me! :D

[praguepride]

Stop being so nice to me! :D

Fine. You smell funny :)

[moon_lit_tears]

Fine. You smell funny :)


LMAO!

:P thanks!

Now I can feel good about offing you night 1 :D

[bak42]

I don't know if this is more "best mafia" or "biggest botch", but the town was completely off on every occasion in Oblivion. The mafia won flawlessly without much intervention.

Except for the first 3 days where they took out my entire scum group with two random bandwagons and not believing my masterful fake claim.

[i effin rule]

I still don't know how it is possible to lose a game when the town lynches non town every phase but one (a no lynch) in a balanced game.

[Destiny]

I had such an awesome role in that game. I could kill and investigate. Unfortunately I was too inactive from what I remember.

[BlueStar]

I still don't know how it is possible to lose a game when the town lynches non town every phase but one (a no lynch) in a balanced game.

Which one was that?

[Destiny]

Which one was that?

I think he's referring to Oblivion, by mjdgoldeneye. That's the game we're all talking about.

[Midnightnick]

I think I had the best false claim/SK run in SFC.

Come on, I claimed the Highlander and killed like everyone who was a big name.

[praguepride]

I think I had the best false claim/SK run in SFC.

Come on, I claimed the Highlander and killed like everyone who was a big name.

That was a very good SK run you had. I'd argue that it was better then Outbreak because the Outbreak SK was practically designed to reach end game.

Unkillable, requiring 100% of possible votes to be lynched?


MNN survived and racked up quite the body count. I think SFC had the best cult win hands down. We (correction...they :mad:) had the whole town convinced that they weren't a cult.

"Quick, help me gather bomb & codes and I'll disarm them!"

BOOM

:D <--- Astil's s*** eating grin

[Imarevenant]

That was a very good SK run you had. I'd argue that it was better then Outbreak because the Outbreak SK was practically designed to reach end game.

Unkillable, requiring 100% of possible votes to be lynched?


Yeah, the outbreak Sk was designed to be a beast.

The best part though? I was never put up for lynch and only once (at endgame) did someone try to kill me :cool:

[praguepride]

Yeah, the outbreak Sk was designed to be a beast.

The best part though? I was never put up for lynch and only once (at endgame) did someone try to kill me :cool:

It might not be worthy of the "best SK" award but that was definitely an excellent claim.


Best discussion? Stealing M_L_T's panties (with accompanying pictures).

Should there be a "best Night Sphagetti" award? The Two had quite a few good ones if I recall correctly.

[Imarevenant]

Should there be a "best Night Sphagetti" award? The Two had quite a few good ones if I recall correctly.

That would be outstanding.

[Wallbanger]

Do we REALLY want to encourage Night Spaghetti? I'd think that would at least kind of fall under Funniest Player domain.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I agree with you to an extent, but there are times when people really do 'know'. An example would be games I've run or helped run where Outlaw will pm me and tell me he figured out who certain players were and what he was going to do about it. Of course, as a mod, I couldn't confirm any of that to him privately or in the game itself, but I could honestly say afterwards that he knew. That said, Outlaw is a special case.

Yea, Outlaw can do whatever he wants. :D

You can only ever be 87% sure of anything in Mafia. There have been claims that I've contested in the past, posting that I was "100% sure" they were lies, but the truth is there's always that 13% chance of something out of left-field. Wackiness, man. There are some crazy folks on here runnin' mafia games. Who knows what sick and twisted twists they can conjure up?

The 87% rule is the golden rule.

Except for the first 3 days where they took out my entire scum group with two random bandwagons and not believing my masterful fake claim.

That claim was awesome. Had I realized the potential, I'd have written the role to do that.

It might not be worthy of the "best SK" award but that was definitely an excellent claim.


Best discussion? Stealing M_L_T's panties (with accompanying pictures).

Should there be a "best Night Sphagetti" award? The Two had quite a few good ones if I recall correctly.

Name it after me! :p

[mjdgoldeneye]

I still don't know how it is possible to lose a game when the town lynches non town every phase but one (a no lynch) in a balanced game.

First and foremost, you lynched the town aligned PGO and vigilante (Umbra). Their win condition was the same as the town's.

Well, when you consider the fact that townies pretty much exclusively killed and roleblocked each other and the only scum they killed consisted of the largely harmless "shenanigans" scum, they really weren't doing good at all. I mean, the person with the most powerful role in the game thought they were a serial killer for a good half of the game. :rolleyes: (Also, a roleblocker didn't realize they were consistently injuring their target night after night instead of protecting them and the HEIR TO THE EMPEROR WHOSE PROTECTION THE GAME'S MAIN CHARACTER IS DEVOTED TO actually PLAYED IN CHARACTER and refused to look at the information related to his role that I linked directly from his role PM...)

Cherry picking one statistic and trying to put the murderous cult on the same level as a paranoid elf and a group of Daedra worshipers is foolish.

The town had an entire mason group and a PGO/vigilante on their side with potential for another mason group and a super-powered Emperor role. Unfortunately the vigilante thought they'd best kill townies and the Emperor went on crazy in-character rants while the guy who knew he was looking for a priest never picked up on him.

The more I think about it the more I can't see how you can write the game off as unbalanced. I don't think a game has to allow nightly townie meltdown to be balanced. Really, what single good thing was accomplished at night?

For the first, oh, 4 or 5 nights, townies killed townies exclusively. Did you not notice that? I don't know if scum ever got a kill.

[Destiny]

So have we got the specific categories we are going to include outlined now? If so we can begin voting?

[Tha Black Phenom]

So have we got the specific categories we are going to include outlined now? If so we can begin voting?

Wouldn't you want Sunnydale to be included in these awards or would you rather wait 'till next year? Seeing as we're still in early Nov - I figured the awards would be underway beginning December, and having it ride out throughout the whole month and whatnot.

[Imarevenant]

I figured the awards would be underway beginning December, and having it ride out throughout the whole month and whatnot.

This.

[Jman2k3]

I'd like to remind people about my completely awesome Darkwing Duck run JOAT run.

I killed C-bot by busdriving him, bluffed Arrows into the noose and protected Tha Black Phenom from a scum kill.

I think every single JOAT I used was effective :D

You can thank me for giving you those abilitites. :p :D

[moon_lit_tears]

You can thank me for giving you those abilitites. :p :D

Yeah and you gave me nothing. :(

:D

[Jman2k3]

Yeah and you gave me nothing. :(

:D

I'll give you something next time I promise.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'll give you something next time I promise.

:pCan I have a hint? :D

[Jman2k3]

:pCan I have a hint? :D

We can play the guessing game. What you think it is?

[moon_lit_tears]

We can play the guessing game. What you think it is?



Money?

:D

[Imarevenant]

Yeah and you gave me nothing. :(

:D

I'll give you something next time I promise.

Get a room.

[Destiny]

Wouldn't you want Sunnydale to be included in these awards or would you rather wait 'till next year? Seeing as we're still in early Nov - I figured the awards would be underway beginning December, and having it ride out throughout the whole month and whatnot.

Ah, yes I would like Sunnydale to be included in these awards. It'll be nice if it's fresh in everybody's minds, it would.

[moon_lit_tears]

Get a room.

Yes Father. :D

Ah, yes I would like Sunnydale to be included in these awards. It'll be nice if it's fresh in everybody's minds, it would.

If we can get started VERY soon and finish the game in time I think it would be a great to add it in!

[Destiny]

If we can get started VERY soon and finish the game in time I think it would be a great to add it in!

I'm all for starting it as soon as possible. I could run the game with twenry-five roles if nobody else signs up.

[moon_lit_tears]

I'm all for starting it as soon as possible. I could run the game with twenry-five roles if nobody else signs up.

I'd give it a day or two. Not that my opinion matters much since your modding. With the weekend coming up more people may jump on and well who can resist this game?

[Jman2k3]

C-Bot is going to end up being the little kid who was the supposed vampire chosen one lol.

[eayragt]

I think SFC had the best cult win hands down. We (correction...they :mad:) had the whole town convinced that they weren't a cult.

Well... most of the town, anyway...

Not that it would ever win a best role, but I'm fully behind panix putting the role I took over from Prophet (The Scorpion King) in SFC. He went non-obvious, and didn't just pick the most popular characters from his mod, he dug around a bit and added more obscure characters that fitted roles he wanted, even if they were from his updated mod that he hadn't released. If a mod's got 30 roles, it shouldn't be the most obvious 30 roles for the theme, as scum have to have room for a fake claim. SFC had plenty of room.

[BlueStar]

I only look at the long games, tbh. They are the core of GDS maffia.

A small list:

Most enjoyable game: Springfield, Transformers or Power Rangers.
Most Underrated: Shadowedflames or Astil
Best scum : Rev of gonvick
Best town : Arrows
Best Cult : I'd go for Astil's crew in Superheroes but that game bogged down so it seemed easier for them...
Best Discussion : the final days in Transformers were hilarious.
Best MOD : Arrows
Funniest : Prophet
Most Improved : Jaded (either that or he gets the best newcomer)
Panix award: iMAC
Hall of fame : I go for the veterans here, so anyone from derek, dj, Astil, Arrows, Rev, Wallbanger, Nevvy, masterded who hasn't been picked yet. I may be forgetting a few here.
Best SK : I had a good run as Sephiroth but it'll have to go to Shadowedflames, no doubt about it.

[bak42]

For the first, oh, 4 or 5 nights, townies killed townies exclusively. Did you not notice that? I don't know if scum ever got a kill.

We did on night 1 due to our busdriving the PGO.:cool:

[mjdgoldeneye]

Best SK : I had a good run as Sephiroth but it'll have to go to Shadowedflames, no doubt about it.

How about Rev winning a 33 player game on his own?

No doubt about it? You must have forgotten...

[mjdgoldeneye]

We did on night 1 due to our busdriving the PGO.:cool:

True, but the PGO actually did the killing. :D

(And, this was fair. The PGO wasn't a full time PGO...)

[BlueStar]

How about Rev winning a 33 player game on his own?

No doubt about it? You must have forgotten...

I'd label him scum instead of SK.
And I won with him. :D

[Imarevenant]

I'd label him scum instead of SK.
And I won with him. :D

Wrong game. That was transformers. MJD is referring to Outbreak. By far the two best scum games I've ever had though.

[mjdgoldeneye]

I'd label him scum instead of SK.
And I won with him. :D

What Rev said...

In Outbreak he was individually aligned, had no teammates or contacts, and was tasked with destroying everyone else. He also had a forced kill.

Just because his role title was purple doesn't mean he's not a SK...

[bak42]

What Rev said...

In Outbreak he was individually aligned, had no teammates or contacts, and was tasked with destroying everyone else. He also had a forced kill.

Just because his role title was purple doesn't mean he's not a SK...

And I'm still baffled by how anyone could read his comment about being willing to go through anyone, man or zombie, to survive and not realize he was a SK.

[Destiny]

And I'm still baffled by how anyone could read his comment about being willing to go through anyone, man or zombie, to survive and not realize he was a SK.

Yet they did. If you were still alive in those later phases you may have been fooled aswell.

[bak42]

Yet they did. If you were still alive in those later phases you may have been fooled aswell.

Are you kidding, if I had been alive at that point I would have called him out on it with the hope that if he didn't get lynched, he might pay me a visit the next night (remember I was a scum PGO in that game).

[Destiny]

Are you kidding, if I had been alive at that point I would have called him out on it with the hope that if he didn't get lynched, he might pay me a visit the next night (remember I was a scum PGO in that game).

I didn't remember that point. However, things like that are easy to say in hindsight.

[mjdgoldeneye]

Rev's claim was great. Jim couldn't claim and no one seemed to pick up on Crychon's great hint.

The town/other scum didn't completely drop the ball. They just never knew what kind of threat they were up against.

It literally came down to 1 aspect of Rev's role. If it weren't for that, Prophet would have won or would have at least had a chance.

[BlueStar]

What Rev said...

In Outbreak he was individually aligned, had no teammates or contacts, and was tasked with destroying everyone else. He also had a forced kill.

Just because his role title was purple doesn't mean he's not a SK...

'kay...didn't follow that one. Got taken out early and had a holliday..

[Destiny]

'kay...didn't follow that one. Got taken out early and had a holliday..

That's not a bad thing, by any means. I remember being on holiday at the start of Sci-Fi Chaos.

[moon_lit_tears]

That's not a bad thing, by any means. I remember being on holiday at the start of Sci-Fi Chaos.

I remember you leaving for the first part!

But it was still a fun game.

Yummy just put a cake in the oven!! :D

Pssst hurry and finish your essay so we can get Buffy going!!!!

[Destiny]

I remember you leaving for the first part!

But it was still a fun game.

Yummy just put a cake in the oven!! :D

Pssst hurry and finish your essay so we can get Buffy going!!!!

Ha, yes I was away. My teammates weren't that happy with me. The essay is getting there, slow but steady.

[d_w_w]

/coughsashamelessplugforhisfakeclaiminpowerrangersm afia

[moon_lit_tears]

/coughs a shameless plug for his fake claim in power ranger smafia

hahahahahahaha

[Destiny]

/coughsashamelessplugforhisfakeclaiminpowerrangersm afia

Remember by terrible fake claim that somebody suggested? I claimed to be Putty.

[DreamBri]

I signed up for Buffy! No picking on the newbie...or else :D

[moon_lit_tears]

"psssst" new player alert!

[blackphoenix]

/Pimps self.


Psstt... Springfield / Mr Burns.. yo

Also I shall be back to vote, tho I will only have up to sin to be able to vote on.

[Destiny]

/Pimps self.


Psstt... Springfield / Mr Burns.. yo

Also I shall be back to vote, tho I will only have up to sin to be able to vote on.

Whilst I didn't personally partake in that game, being busy at the time, I followed it. Congratulations.

[Wallbanger]

Well, if we get started this weekend, and figure the game will go for at least 3-4 weeks, that'll roll us right into the Christmas/New Year's window. I'm figuring Sunnydale will be part of the '09 season and anything after that will be considered '10 season. We'll get going on the nominations and such upon my return from my holiday travels. Volunteers who have pinged me on PM and here on the thread, I'll touch base with you as we get closer to starting up.

Speaking of travel, a quick question for the Brits: how much does a typical meal (i.e. sandwich/crisps/cold drink/maybe dessert) at Pret A Manger or EAT cost? 5-10 quid?

[Antithesis]

Well, if we get started this weekend, and figure the game will go for at least 3-4 weeks, that'll roll us right into the Christmas/New Year's window. I'm figuring Sunnydale will be part of the '09 season and anything after that will be considered '10 season. We'll get going on the nominations and such upon my return from my holiday travels. Volunteers who have pinged me on PM and here on the thread, I'll touch base with you as we get closer to starting up.

Speaking of travel, a quick question for the Brits: how much does a typical meal (i.e. sandwich/crisps/cold drink/maybe dessert) at Pret A Manger or EAT cost? 5-10 quid?

Wait you are going to eat English food.. in ENGLAND??? :eek:

[Wallbanger]

In about six weeks, yes. My daughter's high school marching band is participating in the London New Years Day Parade and I am going along as a chaperone.

[BlueStar]

Well, if we get started this weekend, and figure the game will go for at least 3-4 weeks, that'll roll us right into the Christmas/New Year's window. I'm figuring Sunnydale will be part of the '09 season and anything after that will be considered '10 season. We'll get going on the nominations and such upon my return from my holiday travels. Volunteers who have pinged me on PM and here on the thread, I'll touch base with you as we get closer to starting up.

Speaking of travel, a quick question for the Brits: how much does a typical meal (i.e. sandwich/crisps/cold drink/maybe dessert) at Pret A Manger or EAT cost? 5-10 quid?

A small meal in a tavern/pub in Belgium would cost you about 10 Euro's, including drinks. I'm guessing England is about the same...

[SuperOwens]

Well, if we get started this weekend, and figure the game will go for at least 3-4 weeks, that'll roll us right into the Christmas/New Year's window. I'm figuring Sunnydale will be part of the '09 season and anything after that will be considered '10 season. We'll get going on the nominations and such upon my return from my holiday travels. Volunteers who have pinged me on PM and here on the thread, I'll touch base with you as we get closer to starting up.

Speaking of travel, a quick question for the Brits: how much does a typical meal (i.e. sandwich/crisps/cold drink/maybe dessert) at Pret A Manger or EAT cost? 5-10 quid?

You have to quantify that by saying your going to be in London! :D That adds to the price straight away.

Pret is fairly pricey for what it is, your looking at about £8-10 I reckon. Head to a pub instead, you can get a pint and a meal for that. Or just 3 pints :p

[Wallbanger]

You have to quantify that by saying your going to be in London! :D That adds to the price straight away.

Pret is fairly pricey for what it is, your looking at about £8-10 I reckon. Head to a pub instead, you can get a pint and a meal for that. Or just 3 pints :p

Much as I personally approve of that plan, I'm chaperoning American high school students, therefore I have to remain dry, even on New Year's Eve! :(

The other thing is we get vouchers to subsidize our meal costs, but only certain vendors take them, like Pret. I'm just trying to budget more than anything else, and take enough along that I can detour my charges to a good place at least once without breaking the bank.

[Antithesis]

Much as I personally approve of that plan, I'm chaperoning American high school students, therefore I have to remain dry, even on New Year's Eve! :(

The other thing is we get vouchers to subsidize our meal costs, but only certain vendors take them, like Pret. I'm just trying to budget more than anything else, and take enough along that I can detour my charges to a good place at least once without breaking the bank.

maybe the Hard Rock Cafe in London? Dunno if the food is still decent there or not though.

[Destiny]

maybe the Hard Rock Cafe in London? Dunno if the food is still decent there or not though.

If you're on a budget, I'd advise you not to go to the Hard Rock Cafe. I'm sure it's quite expensive.

[moon_lit_tears]

http://www.timeout.com/london/restaurants/features/

This was passed along to me by a friend who enjoys traveling. Hope it will help you out.

[SuperOwens]

Much as I personally approve of that plan, I'm chaperoning American high school students, therefore I have to remain dry, even on New Year's Eve! :(

The other thing is we get vouchers to subsidize our meal costs, but only certain vendors take them, like Pret. I'm just trying to budget more than anything else, and take enough along that I can detour my charges to a good place at least once without breaking the bank.

I know what to get you for Xmas now....a hip flask! You can tell everyone its full of sprite...

[Antithesis]

Hey banger, when were you supposed to go to the UK?

I ask because if its soon maybe suggestions/noms need to begin pretty soon.

[Wallbanger]

Hey banger, when were you supposed to go to the UK?

I ask because if its soon maybe suggestions/noms need to begin pretty soon.

Kinda have to let Sunnydale finish before we can get started, don't we?

[Derek B]

Kinda have to let Sunnydale finish before we can get started, don't we?

We only have to wait for Sunnydale to finish for the VOTING... I'd say nominations can get underway any time. It's not like people are going to have a hard time remembering what just happened! :)

[Imarevenant]

Probably should wait for Cyberkittens game to finish up as well as it could be up for some short game scummies.

Looking at how many players both games have, they should end up finishing at about the same time though.

[Antithesis]

Thought I'd bump this to see what the time frame is for discussion concerning awards. The large and Mid sized games have been finished for the year I think, so why not start debating about awards, nominees, etc.?

[Wallbanger]

Thought I'd bump this to see what the time frame is for discussion concerning awards. The large and Mid sized games have been finished for the year I think, so why not start debating about awards, nominees, etc.?

Yes, it is indeed time. I am remiss in not getting the thread up sooner, but the holiday and trip preparations got the better of me, unfortunately. (I'm at the airport in Kansas City as I type, in fact.)

BlueStar, praguepride, and moon_lit_tears have volunteered to help me with the process. Let me ping them and have one of them get the nomination thread launched -- I don't want to start it if I can't update the list regularly.

[Destiny]

It will obviously be good when a thread is put up. Well done to those who have agreed to volunteer to contribute.

[moon_lit_tears]

It will obviously be good when a thread is put up. Well done to those who have agreed to volunteer to contribute.


Going to post the thread in about ten mins tops. :D

[Destiny]

Good stuff. When I get around to it I will decide and post my nominations based on sunnydale.

[Imarevenant]

Good stuff. When I get around to it I will decide and post my nominations based on sunnydale.

In the past we've had rules not to nominate your own stuff. So if it's a role or write ups, let someone else nominate it (pimp it of course lol) but if it's an award for how someone played in your game, then that was allowed I believe.

[moon_lit_tears]

Good stuff. When I get around to it I will decide and post my nominations based on sunnydale.

In the past we've had rules not to nominate your own stuff. So if it's a role or write ups, let someone else nominate it (pimp it of course lol) but if it's an award for how someone played in your game, then that was allowed I believe.


The thread is up.

This is correct. Most of this was a simple copy/paste job from the rules and other information Banger had last year. The rules have no changed but tis all over there. :)

[Destiny]

I meant more nominating individual players for their performances. I Am not arrogant enough to nominate myself for Anything.

[Self]

I meant more nominating individual players for their performances. I Am not arrogant enough to nominate myself for Anything.

I'm totally arrogant enough to do that. I was awesome. "Best Co-Mod" "Best punctuation" "Most Diary Plugs". Bring the awards on. I've got plenty of space on my mantelpiece.

... which is depressing now that I think about it.

[Destiny]

You were actually a great co-mod self. You ended up being more involved than I first suspected.

[The Shape]

I don't get "most strategic claim," that could be good or bad, I assume it means best claim true or false? Apologies if this has been covered.


Looking at the list of eligible games makes me realise how little I've played this year so I might not do much nominating, just remember not to forget simpsons mafia =D

[moon_lit_tears]

I don't get "most strategic claim," that could be good or bad, I assume it means best claim true or false? Apologies if this has been covered.


Looking at the list of eligible games makes me realise how little I've played this year so I might not do much nominating, just remember not to forget simpsons mafia =D

I am just putting what Banger gave me to use. I assume it would be fake or true.

[Destiny]

Aye. For example not claiming throughout the entire game for the good of the town and then finally claiming when necessary.