1993 Scenario

[TCP1]

Bonjour mes amies,

I was thinking over the possible scenario options (Love DoTT!) and decided to port over the start I made for myself on a 1993 scenario. It's to be set just after Hulk Hogan left WWF, prolly July 16th-ish?

Then I stumbled on a few problems:
1) Outside of the Big 2, I know very little about the wrasslin world then.
2) I've lost all my 93 pictures ( :mad: )

So I was wondering if there is anyone out there who happens to know any websites that have roster listings for that particular time for the smaller feds?

Also any budding artisty-types want to make some 93 pics?

And if anyone knows anything about Japanese and Mexican wrestling, who would want to create that side of things?

Any feedback would be nice? (And by feedback, I do not mean "*Wah*, you probably won't do it *Wah!*"

* Also, I have completed the WWF in entirity so far, including titles and relationships. WCW is next!

[Zero]

Best bet is to go over to .400 and download my 1993 game for TEW04. Just download the demo and look at the data.

I could help out. I built mine from lookin at various wrestling sites

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Good luck with it - and thanks for the DOTT props. :)

As you said, 1993 is a tough year to research. The good thing about it, though, is that there weren't that many American promotions to worry about - outside of a couple of independants... and Memphis, heh (always Memphis).

[tnafan]

Smokey Mountain Wrestling absolutely ruled in '93. Easily my favorite wrestling shows that I have on tape.

[Oyaji]

Sometime in the first quarter of the year, after a long period of not playing TEW '04, I decided to give a 1992 scenario a shot. I had little interest in America at the time aside from Bret's ascendance to the top, but Japan and Mexico were on the cusp of greatness or already there. I created data for Japan from scratch but never really got into Mexico due to porting some of the American veterans from DOTT and adding new guys or creating most of the stars from scratch.

1993 is a great year for Japan and while WWF was struggling in the post-Hulkamania era, it could be a lot of fun... giving people who want a challenge a good shot at overtaking them as the world power in the rasslin' universe.

After the new DOTT data is done, I'd like to port over the Japanese data and do Mexican data from scratch for a 1992 scenario. If somebody is willing to help out with the few remaining independent promotions in America that would be swell. If that doesn't work out (hell, even if it does, it couldn't be too hard porting over the 92 data and changing things to fit the following year), I'd be more than willing to help you out with Japan for the '93 data.

[TCP1]

That is awesome news Oyaji. Feel free to take your time, I'm still doing WCW and I didn't realise how much there was for each worker. ATM I trying to setup Raven (Johnny Polo) so that he is good at wrestling, but is USED as a manager.

Stupid computer AI, correctly pushing the right people in the right spots!

What next, Bret taking the title off of Yokozuna... I THINK NOT!

Hang on a minute?

[D16NJD16]

1993 ****ing sucked. But i'll be glad to help you out with it. I'd like to play a 1993 or mid 1993 game where, after Hogan leaves, I make it more of an in ring product, focused on Bret,Owen,Shawn etc. Sort of like they were supposed to do after Wrestlemania 10...

[TCP1]

Its going to be set August 19th 1993.

tnafan, fancy creating Smokey mountain in all its glory for me?

d16njd16 could you perhaps just do USWA fed, with workers etc please?

Anyone know of anywhere to get decent pictures from 1993?

[D16NJD16]

Here's some rosters compiled in additon to USWA 1993 in case your unsure and just for a little look back for everyone whos excited about the scenario.

WWF roster as of July 31st 1993:


The Brooklyn Brawler Steve Lombardi
Bret "Hitman" Hart
Randy Savage(doing commentary and wrestling occasionally)
"The Birdman" Koko B. Ware
The Million Dollar Man" Ted Dibiase
Virgil
"Hacksaw" Jim Duggin
Shawn Michaels
Mr. Perfect Curt Hennig
Adam Bomb
Diesal
Scott "Razor Ramon" Hall
Luke Williams
Butch Miller
Rick Martel
Tito Santana
The Undertaker(Face)
"The Mountie" Jauques Rougeau
Mike "I.R.S." Rotundo
Blake Beverly
Bo Beverly
The Genious Lanny Poffo
Crush
Matt "Doink the Clown" Bourne(Still heel, but hanging on by a thread)
"Tatanka" Chris Chavis
"The Rocket" Owen Hart
Barry Horowitz
Fatu
Samu
Jim Powers
Bob Backlund(face in 1993 but if were talking Mid 1993, he was beginning his heel run)
Yokozuna
Mr Fuji
Jerry "The King" Lawler
""Terrific"" Terry Taylor
Damian freakin' Demento
Marty Jannetty
Bam-Bam Bigelow
Rick Steiner
Scott Steiner
Billy Gunn
Bart Gunn
Ludvig Borga
Lex Luger(Turned face in late july when Hogan left, you know, to be a real american and stuff, you decide what you want him as)
The Giant Gonzales(talentless)
Moe(face)
Mable(face)
Mr. Hughes
Bastion Booger
The 1-2-3 Kid
Madusa Micilli(alundra blayze)
Bull Nakano
Timothy Well
Steven Dunn
Pierre Oullete
Harvey Whippleman
Vince McMahon
Gorilla Monsoon
Bobby Heenan(Still with the WWF in mid 1993, and could remain to be as long as you don't ask him to take a 50% pay cut..)
Jack Tunny
Pat Patterson
Gerald Brisco
Todd Pettengill


WCW roster as of July 31st 1993:
Sting
Ric Flair
Michael P.S. Hayes(Freebird with a "free spirit)
The All American Ron Simmons
"The Z-Man" Tom Zenk
Arn Anderson
Brad Armstrong
Bobby Eaton
Sid Vicious
Barry Windham(the lone wolf)
Big (Van) Vader
"The Natural" Dustin Rhodes
Stunning Steve Austin
"Flyin" Brian Pillman
Cactus Jack
"Ravishing" Rick Rude
Eric Watts
Ricky "The Dragon" Steamboat
"Diamond" Dallas Page
Marcus Alexander Bagwell
Johnny B Badd
Johnny Gunn
"Mr. Wonderful" Paul Orndorff
Lordd Steven Regal
The Shockmaster
Max Pain
Rage
Missy Hyatt
Tex Slazenger
Kent Cole
Keith Cole
"The British Bulldog" Davey Boy Smith
"Pretty" Paul Roma
Shanghi Pierce
Stevie Ray
Booker T.
Robert Fuller
Thunder..
Lightning..
The Equalizer
Awesome Kong
King Kong
Charlie Norris
Road Warrior Hawk
Brian Knobbs
Jerry Saggs
Chris Champion
Mark Starr
Ice Train
Tony Skeevani
Eric Bischoff

[TCP1]

Nice work, could you email it to me please at pokergodtcp@yahoo.co.uk

cheers bud!

[tnafan]

Sorry, I'm not really interested in doing any wrestler mods. There's just too much to consider and I'd probably be pretty biased. Here's a roster from July '93 if you want it. It's from memory of my SMW TV tapes, but it's pretty darn accurate.

Jim Cornette (Owner, Booker, Manager, Commissioner)
Brian Lee
Tracy Smothers
Kevin Sullivan
Dirty White Boy
Bobby Blaze
Killer Kyle
Chris Candido
Tim Horner
Jimmy Del Ray and Tom Prichard (Heavenly Bodies)
Ricky Morton and Robert Gibson (Rock N Roll Express)
Ron and Don Harris (The Bruise Brothers)
Bob, Steve, Scott Armstrong
Brian Armstrong (BG James)
Dutch Mantell
Ron Wright
Robbie Eagle
Tammy Fytch
Jim Ross (Announcer)
Mark Curtis (Ref)
Les Thatcher (Backstage Worker)

Also, Big Bossman, Terry Funk, and the Steiner Brothers make appearances on SMW TV around that time. Dirty White Girl, Sherri Martel, and The Moondogs showed up around then too, but I think it was a little after July.

[TCP1]

That's awesome, cheers bud. Is that supposed to be Tammy Sytch or is there someone else called Fytch?

Half way through WCW atm.

[tnafan]

That's awesome, cheers bud. Is that supposed to be Tammy Sytch or is there someone else called Fytch?

Half way through WCW atm.

Same person, she was just called Tammy Fytch in SMW.

[Jaded]

Tammy Sytch was called Tammy Fytch in SMW.

[TCP1]

Nearly finished WCW, blimey this is hard work, but strangley cool.

Oyiji any luck finishing DoTT yet? I could really do with the old Japanese/Mexican impact.

On a side note, I am deciding on how to setup future stars and it's one of two ways:
1) Set them with their stats as they were when they entered wrestling, with a view to them becoming huge, ala The Rock having 99 Charisma.

2) Have them all start with the minimum basic stats and let evolution/luck do its thing and possibly end up with The Rock jobber to the heavyweight champion Funaki.

Any suggestions welcome!

[Midnightnick]

Evolution/Luck doing their thing.

[D16NJD16]

On a side note, I am deciding on how to setup future stars and it's one of two ways:
1) Set them with their stats as they were when they entered wrestling, with a view to them becoming huge, ala The Rock having 99 Charisma.

2) Have them all start with the minimum basic stats and let evolution/luck do its thing and possibly end up with The Rock jobber to the heavyweight champion Funaki.

Any suggestions welcome!

Well i'd say just make them are they were in 1993. Give guys like Rock decent stats, but low stats in ones that go up, like psychology. I can probly help you will some specific stats for future stars in 1993, who do you have in mind other then Rock

[James Casey]

Random. There was an '89 mod for EWR that I always felt had potential, but the superstars of today were all in their with great stats which made putting on great shows a bit too easy.

Of course, you can help out the real future stars by giving them a slight boost - something made them stand out from the pack after all. I'd say that things like athleticism and charisma, as you note, are natural gifts rather than something you necessarily learn.

[Oyaji]

I think the most important stat in that case would be "Superstar Quality".

And it's going to be a while on my end. This week is midterm exam time and it's been hell. I'll get back to you by the end of next week, though.

[TCP1]

I'm pretty much going to have as many wrestlers in the game as possible. Although some of the generated stars are quite cool.

'John Blanchard' - Rookie of the Year!

That's cool Oyaji. You'll be pleased to know WCW is finished and now it's on to ECW! I ran a 2 year test and Ric Flair/Bret Hart dominated best matches/wrestlers. The only real surprise was Samu's rise to the WWF World Title, which changed hands 19 times in a year and a half, which was odd. Ludvig Borga 6-time champion.

[D16NJD16]

Good move running tests. Now thats dedication.

And TCP if theres anything else you need help on let me know, because im totally free. In other words I have no school or job, just a girlfriend. ;)

[D16NJD16]

Just curious, what do you have as WCW's belts and champions...

[TCP1]

WCW
Vader
Flair
Roma/Anderson
Dustin Rhodes
Steamboat

WWF
Yokozuna
HBK
Steiners

Well mate if your feeling adventurous and really want to help, you could make USWA or SMW. I need them both done.Then I can import them into the scenario. Let me know, but remember many hands make light work.

[cyberkitten01]

With Shockmaster on the roster, you might be able to give him a credible debut

[TCP1]

Indeed, speaking of which anyone got a good quality shockmaster picture?

Also last night I ran a 12 year test, just to see what would happen:

WCW/WWF are top two still and in the middle of a war, with Undertaker joining WCW and Flair joining WWF. HBK is the most talented superstar, but has yet to win the World Title. Speaking of which, the WWF's only 7-time heavyweight champion... Marty Jannetty.

Other interesting news, ECW has raised to regional level with Terry Taylor and Tito Santana feuding over the belt. TNA and RoH have both started up and are at small level.

[TCP1]

And with the Tazmaniac done I have now finished ECW. Woohoo!

Its really starting to take shape and I'm properly chuffed. Next stop SMW and some free agents.

If anyone fancies writing a Other TV shows file from 1993 that would be a great help, if not I'll crack on after Free Agents.

Also a question, would people like the Legends in the game, like Buddy Rogers etc? They would effectively be there for angles and authority roles, but let me know.

[Midnightnick]

I can't wait for this to be released, and yes. I would like the Legends.

[D16NJD16]

Oh yeah definatly need the legends in there.

[Johnny_McSluggz]

1993 was an unbelievable year for AJPW. Stan Hansen tore that year up, as did Kobashi. Also, the Vader/Sting strap match was spectacular. I haven't ordered this game yet, but hey, pay day is Thursday. :D

[TCP1]

McSluggz, interested in helping make 1993 come to life?

If you know a lot about AJPW, you fancy making it for me. Wrestlers, managers etc?

D16njd16 any luck with USWA?

[TCP1]

OK then, Smokey Mountain is finished as are a few Legends.

I think next step is USWA as I haven't heard from d16. I also might give Japan a try, although I have no knowledge about it.

You'll be pleased to know that I have at least one colour photo for each worker so far, in some cases 2 or 3.

Total workers made 179.

Any requests for legends?

[Johnny_McSluggz]

I'm not really prepared to make a commitment like that. There's too many guys, and I don't know if I'm the guy to rate wrestlers.

You should bribe D.Boon's Ghost. He's the master.

[TCP1]

USWA is done. I'm going to do a Legends of Wrestling promotion that tours around, just so they are all in one place.

[D16NJD16]

Don't forget to add Rob Bartlett, the memorably bad RAW color commentator from it's inception to late 1993 a little after Heenan left.

For his bio:
(from a 1995 article)
"Rob Bartlett, 43, is a comedian, voice artist, and radio personality, stationed in New York, who is heard daily in New York every weekday morning through his performances on the nationally syndicated radio program IMUS In The Morning, also broadcast on TV via MSNBC."

[TCP1]

Will add him, cheers pal.

[TCP1]

OK so the legends are done, I believe there to be around 50 in total.

Also added Calgary Stampede Wrestling, with most workers, after all its only small.

I'm working on Global Wresling Federation.

If someone could list the federations in Japan and Mexico and the rosters if they know them?

Also any other suggestions for Canadian and US feds as well as UK and Europe. So in conclusion, list feds and their rosters and I'll amke em.

[MB35]

Who do you have for Stampede Wrestling? I don't have the greatest of knowledge about them during that time but I have enough that I could help if you want.

[Weden]

Here in the UK, thanks to Greg Dyke cancelling our wrestling (despite it's massive ratings), the scene died a quick yet painful death. You could add a few major British stars, but we had no real notable promotions (after JPUK dropped) at this time.

[TCP1]

I believe NWA-UK Hammerlock was around at the time.

Stampede is covered, but thanks anyway.

What I really need is a list of rosters from Mexico.

[TCP1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/TCPinho/Taz3.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/TCPinho/ShaneDouglas.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/TCPinho/FredOttman3.jpghttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/TCPinho/BobbyHeenan2.jpg

Just a little taste of the 400 pics I made and gathered so far. I am still looking for a good Eric Bischoff pic from 1993.

I have also established CWA in Europe, run by Otto Wanz. Any other obscure wrestling promotions you guys can suggest?

[TsuMirren]

The UK scene was indeed a complete mess around this time.

All Star Wrestling was running, as were a few tribute and other bits n bobs here and there. NWA-UK Hammerlock may have been around, probably were, but I don't think they'd actually attained NWA status in 1993. The BWF were around, with shady Shane Palmer (or whatever he called himself each week) running tribute shows the length and breadth of the UK...he also ran up hotel and venue bills, whilst not paying people. Other people like Klondyke Jake and Orig Williams were also running shows.

If you're really serious about finding out, go to www.ukff.com and look for J Lister. Or, go to www.1stopwrestling.co.uk and post on the forums, I forget the name of the guy with all the info there though jnlister can also be found there.

[weirdo_man]

ECW was created by Tod Gordon in 1992. Paul Heyman was under ECW's employment in 1993. ECW was known was Eastern Championship Wrestling at this time.

Shane Douglas, 2 Cold Scorpio, Jimmy Snuka, Tommy Dreamer, The Sandman, Terry Funk, the Headhunters, Chris Candido, Public Enemy (Rocco Rock and Johnny Grunge), Abdullah the Butcher, Ian and Axl Rotten (The Rotten Brothers), Tazmaniac (Tazz), Sabu, and many others were employed by ECW at the time.

http://www.accelerator3359.com/Wrestling/showinfo/ecwinfo.html

This would be a GREAT place to start on some ECW research for this time, I googled it seeing as how you guys hadn't mentioned ECW at all, and I can't let my favorite promotion of all time go unnoticed. ECW held shows almost exclusively in Pennsylvania at this time, and for the ECW fed's history in the database, you might want this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECW website.

I hope that this helps you so that you can create a more accurate 1993, complete with ECW.

HOLY ****
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Yeah, that's right. E C DUB

Edit:

Oh, and you might want to remember to put in a lot of the promotion's near-future stars. For ECW this would be people wrestling independently like Mikey Whipreck, Justin Credible, Kid Kash, Rob Van Dam, Balls Mahoney, Tajiri, Guido Maritato, etc. For WWF, most of you probably know better than I do who arrived shortly after this time, and if you have the TEW '04 1993 mod, then you know who was there, and you can guess who would be independent at the time.

[jonlawson]

Hrm....Legends,....1993,....here's an example of how WCW booked then...

Clash of the Champions XXIII
1993-06-16, The Scope, Norfolk, Virginia, USA

Ron Simmons def. Dick Slater
Lord Steven Regal def. Marcus Alexander Bagwell
Maxx Payne def. Johnny B. Badd (forfeit)
NWA championship: Barry Windham (ch) def. 2 Cold Scorpio
Sid Vicious & Big Van Vader & Rick Rude def. Dustin Rhodes & Sting & Davey Boy Smith
Two out of three falls match: Ric Flair & Arn Anderson def. Hollywood Blondes
Dark Matches:

Jim Neidhart def. Shanghai Pierce

[TCP1]

Cheers mate, but I've already done ECW completly.
I'm currently working on future stars.

And I gotta say I can't find the TEW '04 1993 scenario anywhere, but I certainly wont need it for the states or canada.

[TCP1]

Have removed the Legends touring company. It was just rubbish and unrealistic. Although I liked its name "Cauliflower Alley Club."

Some legends are on hiatus, some are semi-active and unemployed and others are road agents in various promtions.

I've got it so that GWF goes out of business in 6 months and SMW goes out in about 2 years, which is historically acurate, but also allows the player to try and stop that happening.

[jonlawson]

Don't forget Hercules or the Brooklyn Brawler, great jobber but had some great matches. Uhm,....Rick Martel? Ouch, I'm trying to think back to my high school days :P hehe oh yeah, wasn't Tony Atlas still wrestling then? Oh, Iron Shiek, Nicolai Volkov, Junkyard Dog, Buck "Yellow Belly" Robley

[TCP1]

Got Model, he was feuding with Razor over IC title I believe. Herc and brawler are both in. Tony Atlas was last seen as Saba Simba in WWF about a year previous, so I haven't made him yet.

Also in:
Greg Valentine
Harley Race (Manager)
Rocky Johnson
Lou Thesz
Tully Blanchard
Dory Funk Jr
Angelo Mosca
Bob Orton Jr
Buddy Rogers
Don Muraco
Jimmy Snuka
Hacksaw
Fritz Von Erich
Ivan Koloff
Jack and Jerry Brisco
J Strongbow
JYD
Kevin Von Erich
Les Thatcher
Nick Bockwinkel
Wahoo McDaniel
Stu Hart
The (Original) Sheik
Verne Gagne

If anyone else wants anyone else, let me know and I'll add them.

I now have a total of 300 workers in-game and 7 promotions.

It's nice to see it slowly take shape.

One thing to warn you all of, I'm quite harsh with the stats, I'm a firm believer in Adam's philosophy of 80-90 being truly awesome (Like Benoit technical or Eddy aeriel) whereas 90-100 is legendary, so very few have 90+ for any stat.

You wait until you see Giant Gonzales (Best match i got out of him was against ric flair and bret hart (Who are awesome) and it got C- lol he is the worst so far.

[weirdo_man]

Make sure to look ahead to the WWF of 1996. Cactus Jack debuted in the WWF as Mankind then against Bob Holly if I remember correctly. Just putting in the wrestlers who "should" become stars would be the most important thing I think, because it would be great to take the Rock and be able to do nothing with him because he has nothing but charisma and no wrestling skills. But that's just me, I hate the rock. But yeah, the whole future crop needs to be included, otherwise WWE couldn't be the crappy entertainment that it is now, and there couldn't be "reunion" type shows at the ECW Arena in Philadelphia. If the future crop isn't in the game, then everyone has to rely on generated talent when they know that there should be great talent lying around ready for you to develop.

Also, if you were to make the mod truely realistic, there would have to be small independent feds with people that never have made it. Also, local television stations often pick up these independent feds with rosters of 20 or 30 (And the occassional former "star") for 1 hour television spots in the weirdest time slots that have ever had TV shows. So creating numerous feds that are ran by some 30 year old and have about 15 pay per appearance wrestlers who are all 18-25 years old would not be unrealistic, because that's something that TEW leaves out, since most of these feds are used as *hopeful* stepping stones to the outer world, and it's hard to make it when WWE is likely to sign every one of your wrestlers to contracts just to put you out of business. (And in this day, to WWE, since no one cares about NWA:TNA, no offense to anyone who does, look at me, I stopped watching wrestling when ECW closed. :mad: )

Also, TEW 2005 is the first game to handle what happened to ECW when it was going from peak to fall. WCW was at war with ECW, stealing their talent as often as possible, while WWF didn't steal nearly as much talent, AND paid ECW for some of the talent that they stole in compensation. Nice of them.

Edit:

Oh, and if you would post this somewhere, I'd be happy to play with just the USA active so that I could be ECW :p

[TCP1]

Lol, thanks for opinion. The future stars certainly will be involved and important.

There are plenty of feds like USWA, GWF, CSW, BCW and CW that had the future stars and that will be included.

Stars like HHH and Rock have good entertainment based skills, but low pyschology.

p.s. I care about TNA and they will be a future fed. And The Rock is awesome.

[paulskln]

hope this can help you out

[TCP1]

Cheers dude, exactly the same resource I used, old Solie.net.

I've actually finished all of WCW, WWF, ECW, USWA, GWF, CSW, CW, SMW and BCW.

Now I don't know what people think of this idea, but I was thinking of putting some of the future talents into feds that they weren't part of, but have them set as enhancement talents? I know its not 100% realistic, but still? Feedback would be good.

[jonlawson]

I think it would take away from the realism, myself...

[weirdo_man]

I think that you could either create small feds that no one has ever heard of that have pay per appearance contracts with some future stars, or just leave them unemployed, because ECW probably didn't usually have enhancement talent so much as they allowed "tiny" and "small" promotions to build up their talent and then ECW would get them over, whereas WWF did have SOME of their talent home grown, but most of their future stars from the viewpoint of 1993 were stolen from other places. So maybe you could make a few tiny feds that could be used for developing some of the future stars in case the person playing the game doesn't feel like working on them when they suck.

[TCP1]

What I might do is properly research the time, because I'm sure some future stars did work at tiny indy feds, I just don't know what they are. Possibly IWF and whatever Dory Funk's one was called.

I've got 48 free agent/future superstars to do then I'm moving into Mexico and finishing off Europe.

UK will have one fed in NWA Hammerlock, with one future fed in FWA.

Japan will have NJPW, AJPW and FMW to begin with, but might expand if I can find any kind of info on them.

This has gone from a small bit of fun to a 6 hour a day project, but you know what I can't wait to play it and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.

[TCP1]

Seeing as all the good scenarios make these list things, I might as well do it too. Any mistakes or additions, please let me know!

Total Workers: 291
Worker Relations: 133
Teams: 45
Gimmicks: 301

Promotions

Calgary Stampede Wrestling
Bruce Hart (Head Booker)
Chris Jericho
Christian Cage
Jim Neidhart
Joe E. Legend
Keith hart
Lance Storm
Martin Kane
PJ Walker
Rhino Richards
Sexton Hardcastle
Stu Hart (Owner)

Eastern Championship Wrestling
Abdullah the Butcher
Axl Rotten
Chris Michaels
Crash the Terminator
Dark Patriot
Don Muraco
Eddie Gilbert
Headhunter A
Headhunter B
Ian Rotten
Jimmy Snuka
Joey Styles
John Finnegan
Johnny Grunge
Johnny Hotbody
Miguel Perez
Mr Sandman
Paul Heyman (Head Booker)
Rocco Rock
Rockin Rebel
Sabu
Shane Douglas
Super Destroyer 1
Super Destroyer 2
Terry Funk
Tazmaniac 1
Tazmaniac 2
Tito Santana
Todd Gordon (Owner)
Tommy Cairo
Tommy Dreamer

Global Wrestling Federation
Al Snow
Bobby Duncum Jr
Chris Jericho
Fritz Von Erich (Head Booker)
Jake Roberts
Jerry Lynn
John Hawk
Kendell Windham
Koko B. Ware
Lance Storm
Paul Levesque
PJ Walker

Smokey Mountain Wrestling
Bob Armstrong
Bob Holly
Bobby Blaze
Brian Armstrong
Brian Lee
Chris Candido
Dirty White Boy
Don Bruise
Dutch Mantell
Jim Cornette (Owner and Head Booker)
Jimmy Del Ray
Kendo the Samurai
Kevin Sullivan
Les Thatcher
Mark Curtis
Moondog Rex
Moondog Spike
Moondog Spot
Rick Steiner
Ricky Morton
Robert Gibson
Ron Bruise
Scott Armstrong
Scott Steiner
Steve Armstrong
Tammy Fytch
Terry Funk
Tim Horner
Tom Pritchard
Tracy Smothers

United States Wrestling Association
Brian Christopher
Dirty White Boy
Doug Gilbert
Flex Kavanah
JC Ice
Jeff Jarrett
Jerry Jarrett (Owner)
Jerry Lawler (Head Booker)
John Kronus
Koko B. Ware
Moondog Rex
Moondog Spike
Moondog Spot
Perry Saturn
PJ Walker
Rex King
Stevie Doll
Terry Funk
Wolfie D

World Championship Wrestling
Arn Anderson
Barry Darsow
Barry Windham
Big Van Vader
Brad Armstrong
Brian Knobbs
Brian Pillman
Butch Reed
Cactus Jack
Charles Robinson
Charlie Norris
Chris Benoit
Davey Boy Smith
Diamond dallas Page
Dustin Rhodes
Dusty Rhodes
Earl Robert Eaton
Eric Bischoff (Head Booker)
Erik Watts
Harley Race
Jerry Saggs
Jesse Ventura
Johnny B. Badd
Kane
King Kong
Kole
Larry Zbyszko (sp?)
Lightning
Lord Steven Regal
Marcus Alexander Bagwell
Maxx Payne
Michael Hayes
Nick Bockwinkel
Ole Anderson
Paul Orndorff
Paul Roma
Psycho Sid
Randy Anderson
Ric Flair
Rick Rude
Ricky Steamboat
Road Warrior Hawk
Ron Simmons
Shanghai Pierce
Sting
Stunning Steve Austin
Ted Turner (Owner)
Terra Ryzing
Terry Funk
Tex Slazenger
The Boss
The Shockmaster
Thunder
Tom Zenk
Tony Sciavone
Too Cold Scorpio
Yoshi Kwan

World Wrestling Federation
Adam Bomb
Afa
Alundra Blayze
Bam Bam Bigelow
Barry Horowitz
Bart Gunn
Bastien Booger
Beau Beverley
Bill Alfonso
Billy Gunn
Blake Beverley
Bob Backlund
Bobby heenan
Bret Hart
Brooklyn Brawler
Bruce Pritchard
Bushwhacker Butch
Bushwhacker Luke
Chief Jat Strongbow
Crush
Damien Demento
Dave Hebner
Diesel
Doink the Clown
Earl Hebner
El Matador
Fatu
Gerald Brisco
Giant Gonzales
Gorilla Monsoon
Hacksaw Jim Duggen
Harvey Whippleman
Howard Finkle
IRS
Jack Lanza
Jack Tunney
Jeff Jarrett
Jerry Lawler
Jimmy Cordaris
Jim Neidhart
Jim Powers
Jim Ross
Jimmy Snuka
Jimmy Del Ray
Johnny Polo
Koko B. Ware
Lanny Poffo
Lex Luger
Ludvig Borga
Mable
Macho Man Randy Savage
Marty Jannetty
Million Dollar Man
Mo
Mr Perfect
Paul Bearer
Pierre
PJ Walker
Raymond Rougeau
Razor Ramon
Rick Steiner
Samu
Scott Steiner
Shawn Michaels
Sgt Slaughter
Skinner
Steve Dunn
Tatanka
Terry Taylor
The Model Rick Martel
The Mountie
The 1-2-3 Kid
The Rocket Owen Hart
The Undertaker
Timothy Well
Tim White
Tom Pritchard
Vincent McMahon (Owner and Head Booker)
Virgil
Yokozuna

Free Agents
911
Alex Rizzo
Alex Wright
Anthony Durante
Austin Idol
Balls Mahoney
Bill Watts
Billy Graham
Billy Kidman
Blackjack Mulligan
Bob Orton Jr
Chris Kanyon
Danny Doring
Dean Malenko
Devon Hughes
Dick Slater
Ed Leslie
Gary Wolfe
Glen Gilberti
Glen Jacobs
Greg Valentine
Honky Tonk Man
Hulk Hogan
Ivan Koloff
James Maritato
Jimmy Garvin
Jimmy Hart
Johnny Swinger
JYD
Kamala
Kevin Von Erich
Killer Kowalski
King Kong Bundy
Lou Albano
Lou Thesz
Loie Spicolli
Mark Henry
Mark Lamonica
Mike Awesome
Mikey Whipwreck
Moondog King
Mustafa Saed
New Jack
Noramn Smiley
Paul Diamond
Paul Wight
Phil LaFon
Road warrior Animal
Roadkill
Rocky Johnson
Roddy Piper
Salvatore Bellomo
Savio Vega
Scott Norton
Scotty taylor
Spike Dudley
Stan Hanson
Steve Williams
Stevie Richards
Terry Gordy
The Barbarian
The Blue Meanie
The Iron Sheik
The Warlord
Tony Norris
Tully Blanchard
Van Hammer
Verne Gagne
Wahoo McDaniel

[aznblusuazn]

CSW
Martin Kane (Test) didn't debut in pro wrestling until 1998.

GWF
Grey Pierson was the owner of GWF during this time.

Chris Adams was wrestling for GWF during this time.

Al Snow, Chris Jericho, Jake Roberts, Koko B. Ware, Lance Storm, and PJ Walker shouldn't be on the GWF roster.

Paul Levesque was working independents as Terra Ryzing; besides he never worked for the GWF.

"John Hawk" was "Johnny Hawk".

The Patriot (Del Wilkes) was working in the GWF.



USWA
*I don't know if you have it set up, but USWA was a child promotion to WWF at this time.*

"Flex Kavanah" should be "Flex Kavana", although he didn't debut with USWA until 1995.


WCW
Chris Benoit didn't come to the states until 1995. In 1993, he was still in Japan wrestling as "Wild Pegasus".

Terra Ryzing (aka Paul Levesque) wasn't in WCW until 1994.

In August 1993, Kane & Kole changed their name to Harlem Heat (Booker T & Stevie Ray).

"Psycho Sid" was Sid's WWF trademark name. He was "Sid Vicious" in WCW.


WWF
The following are mis-spelled:

"Beau Beverley" should be "Beau Beverly"
"Blake Beverley" should be "Blake Beverly"
"Mable" should be "Mabel"

Free Agents

The following are mis-spelled:
"Loie Spicolli" should be "Louie Spicolli"

Where are the following?
Brutus "The Barber" Beefcake (Ed Leslie)
The Berzerker (John Nord)
Sherri Martel (Sherri Russell)
Typhoon (Fred Ottman)


That's all I see right off the bat.

You should try wikipedia.org - you can get a lot of info from the site about individual wrestlers, promotions, title histories, etc.

[TCP1]

Excellent feedback!

I have Test in because I quite like him, but I've removed his contracts and put him on hiatus, to allow a random debut.

Beverly's, Spicolli and Mabel are all correct now. I'm pretty sure it's spelt Flex kavanah, but I'm looking into it.

USWA is indeed set as a child promotion to WWF, as is SMW.

Added missing GWF wrestlers and Owner.

Koko B. Ware and Jake Roberts appeared at the 20/08/93 GWF show. Others have been removed. Also JBL was John Hawk, not Johnny.

HHH is a bit of a problem because at the time he was working the indy scene, however I don't actually have an indy scene, other than GWF, so for testing I had him there to see if he progressed. Come release he will be removed.

Slamboree 93
TAG MATCH: Too Cold Scorpio & Marcus Bagwell defeated Bobby Eaton & Chris Benoit

September 93 Harlem Heat were billed as Kane and Kole in the Wargames match.

Ed Leslie is a free agent.
In a strange idea I had John Nord is Super Destroyer 2 in ECW, because no one knows who it actually was.
Sherri is in now.
Fred Ottman is in fact the DREADED SHOCKMASTER in WCW. You better believe I'll be pushing him to the moon.

cheers aznblusuazn
Any more for anymore?

[jonlawson]

Ruphus?? :)

[tommytomlin]

Miss Elizabeth
Ultimate Warrior
Bunkhouse Buck
Haku/Meng
Ice Train (Norton's partner in WCW in 1994)
Duke Droese (didn't debut until 1994 in the WWF, but would have been around on the independents well before then)
Bull Nakano
Woman
Hakushi/Jinsei Shinzaki
Nikolia Volkoff
Mr Fuji
Luna Vachon
Leilani Kai


Also, it's 'Bastion' Booger instead of Bastien. Awesome stuff though, it's very hard work to do a scenario from so far in the past and you've done a very comprehensive job.

[weirdo_man]

Rob Van DAm
Kid Kash
Justin Credible




Off the top of my head.

[aznblusuazn]

Slamboree 93
TAG MATCH: Too Cold Scorpio & Marcus Bagwell defeated Bobby Eaton & Chris Benoit


Chris Benoit did work that match for WCW, due to the NJPW-WCW connection. Benoit was still working in NJPW as Wild Pegasus, so I would put him under a PPA contract with WCW, and make sure WCW-NJPW have a working agreement.

[TCP1]

I will indeed.

Others being added today.

[TCP1]

GWF
removed chris Jericho
removed lance storm
removed PJ Walker
removed Jake Roberts
added The Patriot
added Chris Adams
added grey pierson

BCW
removed Martin Kane and set On Hiatus

ECW
added Beulah McGillicutty
added Stevie Richards
added Rock Austin
added Bob densmore
added Mickey Whipwreck

USWA
added Papa Shango
added tom conway

WCW
amended Sid Vicious
added Diamond Doll
added Missy Hyatt
added Teddy Long

WWF
added Slick
amended Mabel
amended The Beverly Brothers

Free Agents
added Sherri
added Miss Elizabeth
added Pat Tanaka
added Nailz
added Mantaur
added Stan Lane
added the Renegade
added Tommy Rich
added The Ultimate Warrior
added Doug Williams
added Bill Eadie
added Dick Slater
added Glen Gilberti
added Chris Harris
added Ice Train
added James Maritato
added Spike Dudley (Matt Hyson)
added Mike Awesome
added Mustafa saed
added New Jack
added Norman Smiley
added Paul Diamond
added Scott Norton
added Phil LaFon
added Doug Furnas
added Scott Taylor
added The Blue Meanie

added East Coast Wrestling Association
added Charlie Haas
added Russ Haas
added Matt Hardy
added Jeff Hardy
added Tom carter
added Pat Kenney
added Mike Quakenbush
added Mike Kittner (Owner)
added Paul Turner
added Scoot Andrews
added Mike Modest


Anyone else got anymore requests for wrestlers? North American only at the moment.

[KeyserSoze]

Keep the good work. It's a scenario that is more interesting for me each day.I'm looking for the day of release.

[-laz-]

i cant wait to take ECW to the top

[TCP1]

When it's done, I'm gonna play ECW too, but going to make them cutting edge/sports entertainment, one of the two.

Currently half way through AAA and learning a fair bit about lucha too. Sounds like bundles of athleticism and high-flying, but low psychology.

[weirdo_man]

bump, how close to being done is the US, and when do we get a release? :p

[TCP1]

US is all but done, just little bits, like refs and a few more workers.

AAA is almost finished, then CMLL is next.

After that Japan and finally UK.

Should be completely finished by christmas.

[KeyserSoze]

Just an idea. If you finish NorthAmerica, maybe you could release this zone alone. I think most of us will be happy with just this area, and those who aren't can wait til the complete release

Cheers

[TCP1]

I know how you feel, but creating a scenario is a massive job for one person, especially if they are aiming to have 800+ workers, which I am, but without Mexico and Japan you lose potential stars like Dean Malenko, Eddy Guerrero and Jushin Liger, which in my eyes is unacceptable.

I know it sucks to have to wait, maybe in a couple of weeks, I'll release a beta to allow me to tweak any problems that you guys encounter?

[KeyserSoze]

I know how you feel, but creating a scenario is a massive job for one person, especially if they are aiming to have 800+ workers, which I am, but without Mexico and Japan you lose potential stars like Dean Malenko, Eddy Guerrero and Jushin Liger, which in my eyes is unacceptable.

I know it sucks to have to wait, maybe in a couple of weeks, I'll release a beta to allow me to tweak any problems that you guys encounter?


I know the massive work it is (as I´m doing one by myself), so I respect and thank any scenario released.

I think the betas are a good idea. Of course you will find "trolls" but I think the people is willing to help. :D

Cheers

[TCP1]

If I didn't get any then I'd be disappointed. Everyone loves a good tearup.

[TCP1]

AAA

Volador (Super Parka)
Misterioso
Rey Misterio Jr.
El Hijo de Santo
Octagon
Winners (Abismo Negro)
Angel Azteca
Super Calo
Konnan
Eddy Guerrero
Blue Panther
Love Machine (Art Barr)
Psicosis
Jerry Estrada
Fuerza Guerrera
Heavy Metal
Picudo
Villano III
Tony Arce
Rocco Valiente
Perro Aguayo
Lizmark
Fishman
Universo 2000
La Parka
Latin Lover
Pirata Morgan
El Cobarde
Rambo
Satanico
Mascara Ano 2000
Cien Caras
Angel Blanco Jr.
Espectro Jr.
Mascara Sagrada
Captain Oro
El Torero
El Bandito
Angel Mortal
Tinieblas
Tinieblas Jr.
Fantasma
Rudy Reyna
Louie Spicolli
Super Boy
Mando Guerrero
Pat Tanaka
Piloto Suicida
Jake Roberts
Diamond Dallas Page

Right thats done. Anyone know who the announcers were and what tv program they had etc?

Next step CMLL and then some Mexican free agents, anyone got any preferences?

[TCP1]

OK half way through CMLL, should be finished that by Survivor Series tomorrow. I would like to thank everyone who has supported me thus far, it's been bloody hard work, but awesome and rewarding. If anyone has any requests or suggestions or anything, please post.

Also to help speed the process along if anyone fancies helping me out with Japan, even if it's just 5 wrestlers or 10? Just setup a new database and create them then post it here and I'll import it into the game.

[TCP1]

CMLL finished, including all championship belts.

Making over 75 Mexican free agents, about 18 left to go. Then referees and finally on to Japan and then BETA release.

Also going to include all the cornellverse companies and some real/created by me in future feds if people think that it's a good idea?

[eric9003]

i may have overlooked them, but here are some that i dont think are on there

Big Vito (Vito LaGrasso)
Super Crazy (Super Loco)
Simon Dean (then Mike Bucci...saw him on some WWF RAW results)
Gregory Shane Helms
Christopher Daniels

[TCP1]

added Big Vito
Super Crazy is a Mexican free agent
added Mike Bucci
far too early to have Shane Helms in the game
Christopher Daniels is in ECWA.

[meripu1]

If yiou plan to include fictional wrestlers, I would either release them in a separate data file, so people don't HAVE to use them.
Or at least iclude a file saying who they are.

[TCP1]

No fictional wrestlers, just some fictional future federations.

Obviously the game will create future wrestlers, but that is out of my control.

[CW Saton]

I'm very much looking froward to playing this scenario, can't wait till its released.

[Ping von Erich]

As much as I love (and play like a crazy man) DOTT.. this will probably grab me even more, as it's a few years prior to me starting watching wrestling.

[TCP1]

Well peeps, this is indeed encouraging news. As much as I can't wait to play the finished version myself, it's nice to know others are looking forward to it too.

I just know that people are going to be unhappy with the stats, but hey, it's how I see them, so fingers crossed.

Mexico should be finished by tomorrow evening and then straight onto Japan.

As a request, does anyone know the rosters for NJPW, AFPW and FMW from August 1993. Basically I know veryu little, so any help will speed the process along.

[eric9003]

actually, i read that Helms debuted in 1991 when he was 17 years old

[eric9003]

and yes...i very much appreciate it what you are doing...because i started watching wrestling in junior high (around 1997)...and i love thinking abour wrestlin before that time

[TCP1]

Added Shane Helms

I stand corrected.

[HardcoreIcon87]

I found the FMW roster of Agust here
Masato Tanaka
Mr. Chin
Koji Nakagawa
Chiaki Matsuyama
Combat Toyoda
Shark Tsuchiya
Crusher Maedomari
Kumiko Matsuda
Keiko Iwame
Nurse Nakamura
Little Frankie
Tomezo Tsunokake
Ricky Fuji
Mercurio
Yasha Kurenai
Yukie Nabeno
Terry Boy
Atsushi Onita, Jr
****roaches #1 and #2
Megumi Kudo
Miwa Sato
Aja Kong
Kaoru Ito
Great Sasuke
Taka Michinoku
Battle Ranger
Super Delfin
Ginsei Shinzaki
Gran Naniwa
Big Titan
The Gladiator(Not sure if this is Mike Awesome did say)
Katsuji Ueda
Sambo Asako
Katsuji Ueda
Leon Spinks
Terry Funk
Tarzan Goto
The Sheik
Sabu
Atsushi Onita
Mr. Pogo

Also Hayabusa was part of it towards the end of 1993

[Slim Jim]

This is looking great! Can't wait for it to be completed, as this should have all of the wrestlers I grew up watching ready and waiting to be taken to stardom, or to be stopped from being taken to stardom in some cases :p *cough*Goldberg*cough*

I would help, but my wrestling knowledge from before '98 is almost non-existant, and post '98 it's still pretty sketchy :p

[eric9003]

this really is looking great...i cannot wait to play it when it is finished and help some of my old favorites from wcw who didnt make it to WWE become top of the line guys!

[cappyboy]

With the the Test thing that came up earlier in the thread, I have a feeling I know what the answer is. But what is your feeling about including guys as free agents who may not have been active or in training in 93 but could theoriticially have been? D. Boon's Ghost has many such future stars in Death of the Territories. So it's not like the update audience would hold it against you.

This is your scenario and I'm sure it'll be really cool either way. But personally, I'm a believer in having the guys who were old enough to have been in training whether they were historically or not. You're changing history anyway. A guy like Sean O'Haire may not have shown up until 1999. But the guy was was 26 then. What's to say a forward thinking promoter might not have been able to see his potential and sign him in 93 when he was 20? Guys like Kurt Angle, Kevin Nash and Scott Norton were already in their 30's when they debuted. So for Nash and Norton to figure into DOTT or Angle here is hardly an outrageous physical implausibility. I know if this were my baby any current star born in 1977 or earlier would be in for the prospect pool.

[TCP1]

Kevin Nash and Scott Norton are already in.

Thanks a lot for the FMW roster, that will be the first roster I do.

Well Cappyboy, it has been a tough decision for me, especially guys like Angle. I think I will include some of the bigger names: Angle, Goldberg etc, but have them on hiatus from wrestling, so that they enter as and when the wrestlers decide?


What I will do is see what other people think. It's now up to you guys, anyone have any major problems with Goldberg etc being on.

On a sidenote, every single time I run a 10-year test only 2, or 3 max, wrestlers jump from WWF to WCW or visa versa. ECW never gets above regional and Hulk Hogan signs with USWA.

In fact the only two wrestlers who ever leave WWF are Bret Hart and The Undertaker. And they go to one of the upstart feds like RoH or TNA. Plus I'm sick of seeing Bushwhacker Luke vs Bushwhacker Butch as the main event of Wrestlemania. In fact in one test it happened 4 years on the trot. I don't understand McMahon's booking decisions in game.

[Hands Like Feet]

LMAO!

I don't normally ever leave pointless messages like this one.... but that bushwacker comment was too much!

[weirdo_man]

Future stars is an excellent idea to include. If you could include some of the bigger future names in several of the feds that would be greaaaaaaat. Also, the promoters to whatever works, so if the bushwhackers are getting good enough ratings, McMahon will beat them until their horse is dead :p Although if it were now, McMahon would put them over and then fire them and TNA would pick them up. Either way.

[TCP1]

Indeed. To be honest most of the big name wrestlers are already around in some incarnation

The Rock - Flex Kavanah
HHH - Terra Ryzing
Kevin Nash - Diesel

However it's the newer stars that I'm having some debate to include. Basically I've decided that anyone who is older than 16 in 1993 has a shot of making it. They may suck as wrestlers, but they will be there.

So with that in mind, you guys can start listing any wrestlers you want in, and I'll include them.

added Kurt Angle
added Goldberg
added Chris Harris
added Andrew Martin (Test)
added Chavo Guerrero Jr.

[Greg McNeish]

I started watching wrestling in the early to mid 90s, so this REALLY excites me.

Just out of curiousity, for workers like The Rock & HHH, will there be any mention of their current ring-names in their descriptions, just for guys like me that aren't very good at keeping up with changing names? I think it would be very helpful.

Cheers!

[cappyboy]

Okay. Let's see how what we can do here.

Since I cited Sean O'Haire as an example, let's take a look at the Natural Born Thrillers and how they fit the age range

O'Haire as mentioned would be 20
Chuck Palumbo would be 22
Shawn Stasiak would be 23
Mark Jindrak and Johnny The Bull would just squeak in as both would be 16
Reno I can't find info on. Maybe some else has it but I doubt he was younger than Jindrak or JTB

As for other WCW notables (with ages in 93) that would fit the age range, I'd probably put in the free agent prospect pool would include

Evan Karagias (20)
Lash LeRoux (17)
Sgt. Craig Pittman (have no age but historic debut was in 94 and he was clearly older than 16)
Mike Sanders (24)
Jamie Knoble (17)

Names who debuted in 93 I haven't seen listed yet

C.W. Anderson
Devon Storm
Julio Dinero
Yuji Nagata
Masato Tanaka
Squire Dave Taylor
Hardcore Holly
Ice Train

[eric9003]

more guys that i didnt see, but i could have overlooked...

Rob Van Dam (you may be adding him in japan, i dunno)
Vampiro (in either Mexico or Japan)
Bobby Duncum Jr.
Chris Kanyon (debuted in 1994)
Scott Vick (Sick Boy from The Flock...debuted in 1997...would have been 28 years old in 1993)
Ron Reis (aka The Yeti...debuted in 1994)

[cappyboy]

Kanyon's already in. He was listed under Free Agents on Page 4. As for Sick Boy, good catch. I wouldn't have thought of him as I wasn't much a fan of The Flock.

[TCP1]

Adding them as we speak. Keep em coming.

[cappyboy]

Okay. Here's some more for the prospect pool.

ECW folks I missed first go around.
---------------------------------

Chris Chetti (19)
Steve Corino (20)

WWE (past and present)
-----------------------
Shelton Benjamin (17) [But his famous roomie Brock Lesnar doesn't qualify. Brock was only 15.]
Big Show (21)
D. Lo Brown (18)
Bull Buchanan (25)
Rob Conway (18)
Nick Dinsmore (16)
Kane (26)
Maven (17)
Shane O'Mac (23)
Rodney Mack (21)

Oh and for 1993 debuts I missed

Doug Basham
Big Dick Dudley (A year ahead of Bubba and D-Von oddly enough)

[TCP1]

Maven will not be in the scenario, because I can't stand him and no-one would have seen talent in him then, cos he didn't have it a decade later anyway. AND I just can't handle the possiblity of a Bushwhacker Luke vs Bushwhacker Butch vs Maven triple threat Wrestlemania main event.

[eric9003]

i dont know if i mentioned him before (which im not sure y i didnt since he is one of my all time favs)...but Sean Morley (Val Venis) trained in 1991, but did not debut til 1995

others:
Ken Shamrock
Chaz Warrington (Headbanger Mosh)
Glen Ruth (Headbanger Thrasher)
Ace Darling (WWF)
Tony Norris (aka Ahmed Johnson...debuted in 1995)
Scott Putski

[cappyboy]

Maven will not be in the scenario, because I can't stand him and no-one would have seen talent in him then, cos he didn't have it a decade later anyway. AND I just can't handle the possiblity of a Bushwhacker Luke vs Bushwhacker Butch vs Maven triple threat Wrestlemania main event.

Fair enough. I feel the same way personally. But I figured someone might believe that he'd be worthwhile if he'd trained properly back before somebody had devised Tough Enough so I listed him anyway.

[cappyboy]

Oh and a note on Shamrock. Wish I could remember which promo it was. All I know is that it wasn't Smokey Mountain. But he would most likely have been wrestling in a Tennessee indy at this time under the name Vince Torelli. Shamrock didn't start using that name until he stepped away to pursue his credentials as World's Most Dangerous Man.

[JayR666]

I cant wait to play it, sounds like it will be really good.

[TCP1]

I just found out that superstar quality cannot increase or decrease, so I'm going to have to go and modify certain wrestlers. It's an annoying stat, because, if booked right many people can become over. It's only useful for that small number : Austin, Rock, Hogan etc.

Any thoughts?

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Hardly, TCP1. If you look at Ryland's data, SWF, alone, has over 15 workers with an A or better in Superstar stat. So if you compare a WWF or WCW (in the period you are shooting for), you'll probably have an equal number per fed - if not slightly higher, all due considering.

While it matters little, my advice is to study the original data and go from there. I tried my best to emulate the default dataset in DOTT. In the end, I had to make design decisions that conformed to the era I was shooting for - but it's the playability and fun factor of the CornellVerse that scenario makers should be shooting for (imho).

[TCP1]

But what constitutes an A grade?

I have Hogan 100
Austin 98
Rock 95
HBK 92
Undertaker/Benoit/Bret/Jericho/Nash/Hall 85

The thing is there are very few who should be above 90. Then some from 80-89. Finally many 70-79.

[D. Boon's Ghost]

An A grade, as you must know, is 80 or higher.

In the end, it's your decision. If you feel that very few should be above 90, that's your choice. :)

[D. Boon's Ghost]

Not sure if this helps, but...

14.5% of the CornellVerse workers are rated A or higher in Superstar Quality; 145 of 998 workers. If yours hovers at around the same, you should have no problems.

[TCP1]

Well got 57 so far, but I only have 500 odd workers, so seems about right.

I'm very picky about stats. As I'm sure everyone will find out.

Cheers D. Boon

[TCP1]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v301/TCPinho/Main.jpg

Well here is a taster of things to come. Took me ages and I know the cutting isn't the absolute best, but I'm happy with it.

[-laz-]

thats cool cant wait for the release

[Mattyc]

Ha, I love the fact that the Shockmaster is featured on the main screen.

I am seriously looking forward to this scenario.

[cappyboy]

Okay, a few more for the prospect pool

A-Train (21)
Bubba Ray (22)
D-Von (21)
Mark Henry (22)
Shark Boy (18)
Droz (21)
Chavo Guerrero Jr. (22)
Luther Reigns (22)

And for the 93 debuts throw on Jason Arndt (SP?). He's probably be best known as Joey Abs from the Mean Street Posse but had been a jobber for the E for some time before that. As for the other MSP guys, I think I found where both Rodney and Pete Gas would be 23 a la their boy Shane O'Mac.

[TCP1]

OK peeps, horrible news ahoy!

My hard drive caught fire and I lost everything... EVERYTHING!

Luckily I backed it up and sent it to myself by email about a week ago, so its not so bad, but still annoying. I now still have 20 Mexican wrestlers to go.

Just thought you'd all like to know.

[-laz-]

u had me worried there for a sec

[Mattyc]

Wow TCP1, you had me worried for a second also until I read down, to lose all of your progress on the scenario at this late stage would have been a real Tragedy.

I can only assume that the night before you backed up the scenario and sent it to yourself in email you had a visit from your future self in dream, 1 week into the future, and this future self told you that your Hard drive was going to crash so you would be best making a back up.

Or maybe not

Just believe me when I tell you that I am happy this scenario is still alive and well.

[TCP1]

Yup, on the true downside, which i din't realise until just now. I lost all my pics, which included over 800 of which 250 were originals by me, that took ages. So there is a delay on the beta release. I also have to relicense and get photoshop again.

On top I lost over 6000 tracks of music, 40 films and every episode of One Tree Hill, Arrested development, Buffy, Angel, Enterprise, OC, Lost, Supernatural and (Which I have yet to watch) Prison Break, Rome and 4400. It truly sucks, does anyone know a way of fixing a hard drive that doesn't seem to be able to get any power?

[Midnightnick]

If you need pics, I could send my Pic folder. I have a vast amount. And I have the Musical Ep of Buffy. >_>. Just offering.

[DocStevens]

I am looking forward to this one.

[cappyboy]

Man, TCP, that sucks about the music. PM me with an e-mail and I'll send you a list of what I have. I know how it goes losing a large music collection. That's I got my MP3 player. Don't play it much. Use it mostly as a backup device. If I can help ya get whole, I will.

Oh and for my next talent suggestion post, I'm hoping to focus on the women. Just because ladies wrestling went in the dumper in the 90's doesn't mean we can't try to stop that from happening in the scenario.

[eric9003]

i would offer to send you my music also...but i doubt u like a lot of country music (most of which is non-nashvilll--cuz i hate nashville, lol)...but if u want any music (i have a lot of non-country too), u can PM me also

[TCP1]

Wow cheers fellas, its awesome sentiment from you all. I will take up midnightnick on his pictures offer and as a show of respect will try and catch up a weeks work in a day. Well here goes, speak in 24!

[cappyboy]

Okay man. Time for the ladies of 1993. I may be missing a few but if I couldn't definitely confirm how they'd relate or felt they weren't prominent enough, I skipped them.

Madusa Miceli (would be in WCW)
Heidi Lee Morgan
Terri Power (aka Tori. Would be considered a top prospect at this time)
Peggy Lee Leather
Selina "Bambi" Majors
Magnificent Mimi
Akira Hokuto
Aja Kong
Cutie Suzuki
Mayumi Ozaki
Debbie Combs
Noriyo Tateno
Luna Vachon (would be in WWE and IIRC married to Bam Bam Bigelow)
Malia Hosaka
Manami Toyota
Megumi Kudo (arguably THE female name in Japanese hardcore)
Jacqueline
Kat Leroux
Reggie Bennett
Bertha Faye
Susan Sexton
Terri Runnels (would still be best known as Alexandra York in 93. Marlena wasn't until 96)
Fabulous Moolah (was techincally inactive but would make a likely trainer/road agent)
Josie Navarro (lucha veteran/likely road agent, retired in 1994)


93 debuts
----------------

Brandi Alexander


Age eligible
------------------

Chyna (23, late December baby)
Daffney (18)
Dawn Marie (23)
Erica Porter (19)
Francine (21)
Molly Holly (16)
Nicole Bass (29)
Sharmell (19)
Sable (26)
Torrie Wilson (18)
Major Gunns (21)
Tygress (22)

[Genadi]

TCP, you have my MSN:) Hip Hop, Rock, Old School, I love it all and have heaps. It's yours mate lemme know and I'll send you a list. I know how you feel, I had a collection of 2 years worth of songs on my IPod and I lost it:( Have it all back now though, all thanks to the IWC's generosity

[weirdo_man]

So, did your hard drive seriously catch fire, or did it just die (Since you said it can't get any power.) If it really did catch fire, that data is lost forever. If it just died, you might be able to send it in to be fixed somewhere, unfortunately, it's unlikely, and you can't just swap out discs from hard drives so that data is lost :( But yeah, if you need help with anything on the scenario, get ahold of me.

[DocStevens]

Has there been any work on the storylines and angles for this mod? Those are absolutely key in Tew 2005 for a mod to be great. DOTT has a ton of great examples of real life storylines. The 1990s had some of the best storylines of all time so working those into this file should be alot of fun.

[TCP1]

Right peeps,

My computer is now up and running again. TEW is reliscensed and raring to be edited and I'm going to get back on the wagon, I expect to have Mexico completed by tuesday, then I'll be back up to date.

Then Japan and free agents by new years. So look for a very early 2006 release. I also need to get hold of Photoshop again as I need to make all those lovely pics, possibly with an original background?

[Midnightnick]

I personally like the KyKy background, but that's just me.

[DocStevens]

Glad to hear this project is moving forward!

[ahw26]

Shelton Benjamin (17) [But his famous roomie Brock Lesnar doesn't qualify. Brock was only 15.]



Lesnar was born in '77 so he would've been turning 16 in '93

[cappyboy]

Info I have on Lesnar has him coming into the world in '78. But then the source I have most readily available is a PWI Almanac that's pushing three years old. Haven't been able to get the last couple. So it's entirely possible things have been firmed up for '77 since my info hit the stands.

[DocStevens]

Might as well just throw in him as a 16 year old and keep his skills very low. If someone wants to develop him then at least they have the option.

[ahw26]

Info I have on Lesnar has him coming into the world in '78. But then the source I have most readily available is a PWI Almanac that's pushing three years old. Haven't been able to get the last couple. So it's entirely possible things have been firmed up for '77 since my info hit the stands.
coz he was 25 when he won the wwe title in 2002 in august

[The Stallion]

You know, the more I read, the more I look foward to this mod. I just watched The Rise & Fall of ECW and am looking foward to changing Eastern Championship Wrestling to Extreme Championship Wrestling. I am looking foward to having a young, talented Shane Douglas and have him throw down the NWA World Heavyweight Championship and tell the world that the ECW Heavyweight Championship is the one that matters. I want to take ECW and over run the evil Vince and his WWF. This is going to rock.

[cappyboy]

Okay man, let's talk storylines. A good 05 scenario is going to need a strong storyline base.

And two I would definitely want in any 90's scenario I were playing would be Owen In The Shadow for the simple reason that it's my all-time favorite storyline. And "Corny Doing Double Duty" from WCW. Where Jim Cornette in a rare show of heart was offering his guidance and getting the Dynamic Dudes feet wet at the risk of alienating his long time clients, the Midnight Express. I would especially love to be able to recreate the jobber team gauntlet Ace and Douglas anchored in disguise calling themselves "Bruce Wayne" and "Dick Grayson." Boy were the Midnights tiffed that night.

[eric9003]

hows this one comin along?

[DocStevens]

I think this is probably dead although if the author posted what he had, I am sure others would pick up the project.

[cappyboy]

Well, maybe we should give the author a chance to determine that. We are just now pulling out of a holiday season that is always crazy. He may just not have had time to get back on it or update us on progress yet. If we're still at the same stage this time next week, maybe we can start proclaiming death. But for now, it still seems a little too soon.

[DocStevens]

I hope it is still alive, this looks like it has great potential!

[TCP1]

Sorry peeps as cappy says, it's been xmas and new year, so I've been really busy, plus I have decided to undertake a new job and work on my first novel, so TEW has unfortunately fallen by the wayside.

I will be picking up the project again in a month or so. I know it';s a long wait, but it's a massive project and I wont release it until it's done to a good standard.

I will keep you posted.

[DocStevens]

If you need any help let me know. Glad to hear things are still moving forward!

[cappyboy]

Hey, TCP, good to hear from ya. I certainly hear you about the novel. I've also tried doing the serious writing thing and I've found it to be a real challenge to collect my thoughts into a useful form so I can create useful pages. Good luck on that project and I'll look forward to further reports on this one. In the meantime, shall we make storyline suggestions for you?

[TCP1]

Yes please mate.

[cappyboy]

Okay man, I'll get the ball rolling then.

I already mentioned Owen In The Shadow and Cornette mentoring the Dynamic Dudes so I think I'll start in Global since I was a huge mark for them.

Should probably have The Rise Of The Dark Patriot in there somewhere as Del Wilkes was one of Global's top faces and it was arguably his biggest storyline for them.

The Jerry Lynn/Sean Waltman finisher fued would probably be a popular choice to be recreated amongst the IWC.

Chaz's search for his father would be great for promoting a young talent and perpetuating an older talent's gimmicked name. As it did here with Tugboat Taylor.

The Chaz/Waltman Feud over Chaz's fear of heights. Although I don't know if we could recreate the Bungee match blow-off exactly, it could still be fun.

How about The Cartel? Historically speaking, the turn by Max Andrews from authority figure to evil mastermind kinda foreshadowed the Eric Bischoff to the NWO and Corporate Vinnie Mac turns several years later.

[Midnightnick]

While I'm not sure what the Bungee Match was Cappy, you could make it like a Scaffold match.

[cappyboy]

Probably what would have to happen. The Bungee Match took place in this cage that was suspended like 50, 100 feet off the ground or whatever. I forget the exact height. The cage was lifted up off the ground with this big ole crane once both guys were inside. And the object was for the winner to incapicitate his opponent enough to attach a bungee cord to the loser's leg and push him out the cage.

But since I can't imagine setting this up with the match editor as we have it, something like a scaffold match would most likely have to serve in its place.

[Midnightnick]

Yeah. A scaffold sounds best for it.

[Sartagis]

Once ya get goin with this again, if ya need any info from the storylines from around then I have every WWF magazine from 1992 till like 1995. And I'd be more then glad to help.

[weirdo_man]

*bump*

[TCP1]

OK peeps in a moment of insanity, that I'll probably regret for a few days, I'm starting work on this scenario. I have 2 days to spare, so I'll see what I can do.

BUT, and it's a BIG BUT (hehe) I need some help, so the quicker you guys help, the quicker this will be released.

So I need people to chip in, here's what I need:

1) Someone to create a list of TV shows that was on in august 1993, with size of viewers and stations they were on etc.
2) If someone could make me a storyline file and if time an angle file, that would be sweet.
3) Japanese roster listings for august 1993, with a good site for pictures.
4) Belt Pictures

Now I know that's a lot to ask, but hey, I still have to recreate (And STEAL) photos for over half my current wrestlers, which amounts to 200+ and I still have Mexico to finish (About 25 wrestlers + relationships).

So there you go, people who offered to help here's your chance to be part of the greatest scenario EVER! :)

[TCP1]

Wow, that's quite the response! Well if anyone still cares, I'm up to date, having made over 600 pictures.

So USA, Mexico and Canada are done. So Japan next, plus extra free agents.

I've got the bug and gonna continue for a while, so with any luck i'll finish it. Then after this I have a new project you guys might be interested in.

[DocStevens]

1) Someone to create a list of TV shows that was on in august 1993, with size of viewers and stations they were on etc.

Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1993_in_television

2) If someone could make me a storyline file and if time an angle file, that would be sweet.

For now I would just check with the author of the BAM Storyline and Angles. Assuming he is ok with it, just include those (of which there are a ton) and then we can build it up more after the scenario is released. The link you need to check is: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8423&highlight=Angles

3) Japanese roster listings for august 1993, with a good site for pictures.

I can't help you on this one. Maybe you could even leave Japan out for now and work on that later.


4) Belt Pictures


I would think the GPanic Belt pictures would cover most of what you are looking for. Again you would need to talk to the author to get permission to use it in your file but if he says yes then here is the link: http://www.tewfiles.com/pafiledb.php?action=file&id=149 At the end of the day I wouldn't worry too much about belt pictures because those can be added later.

I also thought you mentioned something about making a ton of worker pics. I wouldn't spend too much time on that since I think most people are overloaded with pictures at this point (I have over 1,000 myself) and the more important items are the actual workers, promotions, etc.

Hope this helps!

[georgiafan]

so are they out yet? or you still working on them?

[TCP1]

So are what out?

[georgiafan]

the roster set from 1993?

[-laz-]

no its not

[georgiafan]

it sounds like it's gonna be awesome and that a lot of work has been done. I know yall are probley tired of people asking this but when do you think it will be done?

[TAFKA cjt4ever]

[/QUOTE] I also thought you mentioned something about making a ton of worker pics. I wouldn't spend too much time on that since I think most people are overloaded with pictures at this point (I have over 1,000 myself) and the more important items are the actual workers, promotions, etc.

Hope this helps![/QUOTE]

Yeah, very true! I have 5794. I would like to know if someone can beat that!

And I'm really looking forward to this mod. I'm happy it hasn't been rushed, because rushed ones normally turn out pretty bad. :D

[TCP1]

Well the photos to me are key, so I'm making sure every worker has at least 1 pic.

Just shy of 500 workers now. I'm aiming for about 700-800 to start with.

I can't wait to play myself, but it's all down to me.

aS REGARDS RELEASE, I honestly have no idea, because I originally wanted a release date aroung now, but it just didn't happen! I don't that kind of pressure again. So I'll say it will be out as soon as I'm happy.

What I am really interested in is peoples feelings on the stats, because I have been very harsh on a lot of workers, so I'm expecting a bit of a backlash over that.

[ahw26]

What I am really interested in is peoples feelings on the stats, because I have been very harsh on a lot of workers, so I'm expecting a bit of a backlash over that.
you might just get alot of positive feedback as well though, cause high stats in other mods have made the game way to easy so low stats should add more of a challange to the game and most of the workers will improve anyway

[DocStevens]

As long as the overness levels are on a similar scale to DOTT and not like the modern roster sets then you will be ok.

[eric9003]

i wish i could say i could help, but its been hectic for me with school starting back up (plus a recently purchased God of War which has taken up my non-class/hw time)

[TCP1]

http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?p=80175#post80175

Help!

[-laz-]

Brian Pillman its pretty old i hope its the rite one

http://wrestlingzone.ru/images/pillman3.jpg

Dusty Rhodes

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/d/dustyrhodes/04.jpg

Eric Bischoff

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/e/ericbischoff/01.jpg

Matt Hardy it mite be hard to cut with jeff in the way

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/h/hardyboyz/18.jpg



will post more as i get them

[georgiafan]

i have a matt hardy pic in plaid i just can't figure out to send it

[georgiafan]

Matt Hardy

[georgiafan]

Mantuar

[georgiafan]

Teddy Long

[TCP1]

You guys are all beautiful!

[georgiafan]

what other ones do you need ?

[TCP1]

I need really good quality Pillman and Austin in hollywood blonde era, plus Dusty Rhodes non-polkadot and Eric Bischoff post nancy boy, but pre goatee ninja.

Also Francisco Lutteroth,
Shelton Benjamin,
Scott Vick,
Humberto Garza,
Matt Bloom,
D'Lo Brown (Young)
Chuck Palumbo (Young)
Mark Curtis
and El Torero.

If you can get all them I'd be bloody inpressed.

[georgiafan]

brian pilliam

[georgiafan]

shelton b.

[georgiafan]

d lo

[georgiafan]

thats about all i can do

[TCP1]

Excellent work, although i need long haired chuck.

[TCP1]

Also does anyone know anywhere that I can get a free autoclicker for the mouse so I can test the game?

[DocStevens]

http://www.valiskeogh.com/work/Autoclicker.zip

[TCP1]

thank you

[TCP1]

OK found AJPW, NJPW and FMW rosters for 1993, so I have 126 workers to do for them, then some refs, announcers, Road agents and managers.

After that some future stars for Japan and Mexico.

Then,

Storylines,
future companies,
Other TV shows,
Belts,
all companies TV shows/PPV

Then Release time!

I'm excited now, I feel I've made a breakthrough!

[georgiafan]

is there anything else we can do to help you out?

[TCP1]

Well if you offer:

Belt Pics on default background
An Other TV File
Suggestions on future Japanese stars.
Anything anyone else wants to contribute.

[lundm]

I'll take care of the other TV file.

[Sartagis]

Suggestions on future Japanese stars.
If you meant people you can set to debut then I just happen to have this list cause I was gonna make my own once you release the mod. lol
Name followed by debut date. Some have additional info.
I forgot you would need date of birth (as my list never had it yet) so I suggest ya get LukieP's mod "Meoru Toukon '05: V1 Defence" and if there is any info ya can't find in there for them then let me know and I'll see what I can do.
I also include 1 Canadian debut suggestion and 1 Mexicho suggestion (because I came across them while I was looking up debut dates).

JAPAN DEBUTS
-----------------------------------------------------
Shinsuke Nakamura - August 29th, 2002
Hiroshi Tanahashi - October 10th, 1999
Yutaka Yoshie - December 9th, 1994 (Though he broke his leg in second match and was out till December 1995)
Togi Makabe - February 15th, 1997
Blue Wolf - August 10th, 2001 (Is actually Mongolian)
Toru Yano - May 18th, 2002
Naofumi Yamamoto - October 12th, 2002
Hiroshi Nagao - February 2nd, 2003
Yujiro - July 26th, 2004
Tiger Mask IV (Not Sure of His Real Name) - July 15th, 1995
Minoru Tanaka - January 24th, 1994
Wataru Inoue - October 10th, 1999
Ryusuke Taguchi - November 22nd, 2002
Hirooki Goto - July 6th, 2003
Katsushi Takemura - July 22nd, 1997
Akiya Anzawa (One of the highest rated young Juniors in Japan - though he is retiring to become a cook.) - September 21st, 2003
Kazuyuki Fujita - November 1st, 1996
Masakazu Fukuda - March 20th, 1996 (Died On 4/19/00 though NJPW still list him on the active Roster)
Brian Johnston - September 23rd, 1997 (Is actually american but has never wrestled in the states. Suffered a stroke in August, 2001 hasn't wrestled or fought in MMA since)
Curry Man (Christopher Daniels) - July, 1999
Dan Devine - 1999 (Once again he's american trained in WCW but shortly after his training ended he went straight to NJPW as a WCW representative then after another year in WCW left to train more and then join NJPW)
Don Frye - 1997 (Another American, world famous MMA fighter made pro-wrestling debut in NJPW in 1997)
Katsuhiko Nakajima - January 5th, 2004
Katsuyori Shibata - October 10th, 1999
Kenzo Suzuki - January 4th, 2000
Minoru Fujita - April 1st, 1997
Naoya Ogawa - April 12th, 1997
Tadao Yasuda - February 24th, 1994
Kohei Suwama - October 11th, 2004
Kazushi Miyamoto - August 19th, 2001
Ryuji Hijikata - February 7th, 1998
Akira Raijin - February 1st, 1998
Taiyo Kea (Started under the name Maunakea Mossman, vote was held for fans to choose new name in 2000) - November 26th, 1994
Tomoaki Honma - May 18th, 1997
Masayuki Kono - March 28th, 2003
Taichi Ishikari - December 12th, 2002
Tamon Honda - October 8th, 1993 (May already be in your AJPW roster)
KENTA - May 24th, 2000
Kotaro Suzuki - December 24th, 2001
Yoshinobu Kanemaru - July 6th, 1996
Makoto Hashi - March 25th, 1998
Takashi Sugiura - December 23rd, 2000
Takeshi Rikio - May 28th, 2000
Takeshi Morishima - March 22nd, 1998
Mohammed Yone - August 15th, 1995
Kentaro Shiga - February 21st, 1994
Go Shiosaki - July 24th, 2004
Naomichi Marufuji - August 28th, 1998
SUWA - May 11th, 1997
Daisuke Ikeda - December 5th, 1993 (Fujiwara Gumi) I don't think Fujiwara Gumi is in this Data set so he should be added to freelance.
Ray Gordy - January 5th, 2002 (Made debut for NOAH, He was entrusted into Mitsuharu Misawa's care by Terry before his death, and trained in the dojo.)
CIMA - May 11th, 1997
Don Fujii - May 11th, 1997
Naruki Doi - May 13th, 2000
Shingo Takagi - October 3rd, 2004
Masato Yoshino - September 2nd, 2000
Masaaki Mochizuki - January 21st, 1994
Makoto Saito (wrestled his most well known matches under a mask as MAKOTO/Darkness Dragon/K-Ness) - April 23rd, 1996
Susumu Yokosuka - November 22nd, 1998
Keni'chiro Arai - May 13th, 1998
Ryo Saito - May 11th, 1999
Dragon Kid - November 14th, 1997
Genki Horiguchi - October 17th, 1998
Naoki Tanisaki - December 7th, 2002
Magnum TOKYO - May 11th, 1997
Anthony W. Mori - May 13th, 2000
Super Shisa - December 10th, 2001
Shuji Kondo - May 18th, 2001
Brother YASSHI - October 21, 2000
Touru Owashi - September 2nd, 2000
TARU - July 26th, 1996
Milano Collection AT - May 13, 2000


CANADA DEBUTS
-----------------------------------------------------
Stampede Kid - July 23rd, 1995 (was actually 15 at the time)


MEXHICO DEBUTS
-----------------------------------------------------
Ricky Marvin - February 17, 1999

[TCP1]

Excellent lundm, that would help a great deal.

And thank you Sartagis, this will be quite useful.

[TCP1]

Quick update as I have just finished Frontier Martial-Arts Wrestling (FMW) in Japan. Although their roster is pretty small, maybe 20 peeps in it, but I'm sure I can expand it at a later date.

Next I'm doing all the company logos.
Then NJPW/AJPW.

I've decided to add Michinoku Pro as it was started in July 1993.

Should have around 700 workers by the time I'm done, do you guys think that is enough?

Also do you really want women wrestlers?

[mattitudev1]

brilliant work man, 700 is more than enough ;) for me personally women wrestler wud be a no wudnt use them.great work

[georgiafan]

700 workers seems fine with me

[The Stallion]

Women wrestlers = YES. I love to put on a good womans match.
As far as 700 workers go, why not. If somebody we think should be in there Im sure we could create them.

[TCP1]

Howdy Rowdy, Bo bowdy rowdy!

OK peeps, NJPW is in and AJPW is half done, I've even done all the referees I need. Basically worker total = 580.

I'm making real headway, I'm leaving women to last, because tbh I don't give a crap about them, I just want to play now.

P.s. I still need a good quality Eric Bischoff pic from 93, remember, not raw GM, not nWo guy, not grey haired, just good quality smarmy reporter Bischoff.

It's getting close now peeps!

[-laz-]

http://wrestlingzone.ru/images/bischoff1.jpg

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/pictures/e/ericbischoff/20.jpg

i found these 2

[paulskln]

here is one i made

[paulskln]

original pic from above

[cappyboy]

Women wrestlers = YES. I love to put on a good womans match.
As far as 700 workers go, why not. If somebody we think should be in there Im sure we could create them.

Amen, Brudda. Plus 1993 is right about when women's wrestling really started teetering as a viable function on American shores. I would think it would be a great challenge to keep it afloat and prevent the crash the 90's borught.

[TCP1]

Hmmm, I'll comprimise, let me release the beta and then I'll add the women on the first update.

Just as a little test, and to boost my enormous ego, how many peeps are actually gonna use this update?

[TCP1]

Oh and the Bischoff picture will do nicely, cheers bud.

[forlan]

I'd download it, and if it's good use it because 93 was one of my favourite wrestling years, I may of only been 5 but the year still stands out for me.

Mania 9 Rocked

[Midnightnick]

I'd play it. Nothing will defeat SMW!

[TCP1]

Everything completely done regarding NJPW, including pics, refs, commentators, owner, bookers.

AJPW is almost done, then M-Pro!

I've decided to remove Catch wrestling from Europe and suggesting deactivation of Europe/UK.

[Midnightnick]

I agree with you deactivating Europe/UK. Not much happening over there anyway in 93.

[TCP1]

OK I'm actually missing a couple of pictures, if anyone could get these for me, that would be sweet:

Kanji Higuchi
Katsuji Ueda

[TCP1]

Scatch last regret, I have them both now.

AJPW is finished, now M-Pro and free Japanese agents.

[TCP1]

*request

[Mattyc]

I have been following this thread since its early postings and I am looking forward to the Scenario and its release, if the scenario is good I will be using quite a bit as 1993 was one of my favourite years as a wrestling fan.

[paulskln]

ill definately download it looks promosing

[DocStevens]

Count me in for using this scenario once it is available!!!!

[sabu_420]

I'll definitely be using this

[The Stallion]

Yea, Ill give it a whirl. Sounds like a good time and wrestling was really good and compeditive in 93.

[georgiafan]

i am also looking foward to it

[weirdo_man]

TCP1, I think you could have just looked at the number of replies and views of the post to see how many people want to use it :p

[TCP1]

Weeeelllll possibly! But what good does that do my ego?

Now I'd like everyone who really wants this mod to do a little dance and kill a chicken in my honour. :)

I now have 625 workers and still have M-Pro and Japanese free agents to do. It's coming together nicely.

I thought I'd throw some more requests out there:

-Someone to create a stylish main screen for the mod, as mine looks a bit poo on second viewing.

-Vince Russo pic circa 1993.

[Midnightnick]

Russo didn't come into the Business till 94, and he didn't get any on-air time till WCW. I should know, considering I bought his shoot interview.

[TCP1]

True, but I have a lot of future stars and seeing as he had such a massive impact on wrestling in future years, it seemed appropriate.

Just added Monty Brown for instance,he is set on hiatus, so the moment he quits boring NFL, I'll have him, train him and push him. :)

[TCP1]

One more request peeps.

Could someone get together all the belt pics for these promotions and put them on the proper background please.

AAA
AJPW
CMLL
SMW
WWF
WCW
USWA
M-Pro
FMW
ECW
ECWA
BCW
Stampede

If someone could do that, it would save me a couple of hours and I might be able to get the update out by the weekend. :)

[Midnightnick]

I wasn't saying don't add him, just use a 00 Russo pic.

[TAFKA cjt4ever]

I can't wait for the release of this. It should be one of the best mods ever for sure.

[TCP1]

With the addition of Sunny War Cloud, the workers are now as complete as they'll ever be. With a total of 650 odd, which I think is very respectable for a one man job.

Therefore left to do is:
Titles
Storylines
Screens

Thusly, the release of my scenario is VERY VERY imminent. Now I'm not one to build up expectation (ITS AWESOME) or have you all waiting online (:)) BUT, if I were you I'd check back on Sunday!

[-laz-]

awesome cant wait

[Jaded]

Will definitely give it a go :)

[eric9003]

*is giddy like a school girl*

[TCP1]

Thats All Titles done.

Although bed now as am tired, been working my nuts off for last week or so.

Tomorrow, screens, tests and storylines.

[TAFKA cjt4ever]

I can't wait! This is going to be awsome!!!