The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[Hyde Hill]

This is basically the sum of everything, in a way I feel its been since WCW folded (if not shortly before then, when everyone started watching WWF and going to WWF events). For a time maybe it was the power of Rock & Austin, but after that it was the only show in town, so wrestling became "WWF/e" to most people.

The other big problem is the size of wrestling fans versus sports entertainment fans. With the line becoming more blurred everyday, I think people forget the old way of wrestling isnt true anymore. That simple. The old way of wrestling is a dieing thing. The last couple million people left who like that stuff during the '90's are now the same group on boards like this, and watching TNA already.

This is why TNA will never truley grow until they somehow become as trusted a brand as WWE or somehow rock the foundations of the sports entertainment world. They already have the wrestling world's attention. All couple million of them (dont forget, TNA's ratings are just based off of US TV ratings. Add Canada, the UK, internet, and the sprinkled other regions to that, its a couple million who likely watch impact in some way). Those are all thats left of wrestling fans.

Thats what sets WWE apart from TNA. Also I feel a lot of the fans now are the workers on the indy scene. Anyone can get involved in it these days. A main reason I think indy shows struggle is because the people who would go watch them, and get "smark" enough to know about them, end up wrestling on them... And thats also to say you dont often see random indy workers at other shows paying to watch. So guys who work crap local shows who then call themselves pro-wrestlers, dont then go to the bigger shows (be it ROH or the local "big indy") and are hurting the business they think they love.

Actually they get/got around 2 mill watching in the US so its more then a couple mill but that is for the other thread.

[hellshock70]

Yep and if its bad the main course is ruined. As is the whole experience. The top guys can't exist without the lower guys. And the top guys draw a lot less when the rest of the card is not as strong.

3 weeks ago Jake "the Snake" Roberts, who now is one of those bad hunks of meat, pulled 500 people in a small town to a show that averaged 60 people.

[Hyde Hill]

3 weeks ago Jake "the Snake" Roberts, who now is one of those bad hunks of meat, pulled 500 people in a small town to a show that averaged 60 people.

That is something totally different and you know it. We are not talking indie level here.

[hellshock70]

If you want to see who's popular on the undercard. Watch the people in the back of the audience and see who leaves to go get refreshments or to hit the bathroom.

Don't even pay any attention to the front row because they'll stick around so their friends can let them know if they were seen on TV.

below: Al Snow (pre-ECW) and Unabomb (Kane) in the old SMW that ran in the NC and TN mountains. They looked big because of people that appeared but they didn't last long trying to act like a major promotion.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INxiKnIu7jM

[hellshock70]

That is something totally different and you know it. We are not talking indie level here.

its still an example of a bad piece of meat drawing more.

edit: And no matter what ol' Jake as been to the mountain. He didn't reach the top but he was there.

[hellshock70]

Yep and if its bad the main course is ruined. As is the whole experience. The top guys can't exist without the lower guys. And the top guys draw a lot less when the rest of the card is not as strong.

Example:

ME: Triple H vs Randy Orton

Semi-Main: John Cena vs Edge

Chris Jericho vs Batista

You got three major matches. All three are not gonna be bad. So nobody cares who worked before.

Plus, if its a house show in Chester, Pa.?

Odds are 99.9999999% of the WWE fans didn't even see it.

edit: which is why only locals saw John Cena pin Sheamus a dozen times already.

And why Goldberg had what was called in his book: "the Lost Loss"

[hellshock70]

And here is something you'll probably never see in the U.S.

April 10th, 2010 the aftermath of John Cena vs. Sheamus in Dublin, Ireland

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXkqC8cwbfk

Drew McIntyre is one of the two guys helping Orlando Jordan against the Ultimate Warrior 2 years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YczVbXp5Eik&feature=related

[hellshock70]

Sheamus vs David Hart Smith vs Heath Slater
#1 contender match for Drew McIntyre's FCW championship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygs27wuXUX0

[PeterHilton]

People tell me his bringing in kids and what not, but I hate to say this, but he pushes out as much as he draws in. Anyone that didn't like he's booked has already left the WWE BECAUSE of the way he's booked. Drawing in kids what won't get them everything. The economy is in the tank, and since parents hold the money purses, I doubt buying your kid a Cena shirt or a ticket to RAW is all that important.



Yeah, that's stupid.

EDIT: Having read through your other posts, I think what your really saying is that the WWE product is pushing out as many fans as it's brought in, which is fair enough. (although..again..who cares? If I'm a giant corporation, I'd rather have the family crowd with disposable income than the insanely fickle net fans and young male audience who will spend hours trying to find a stream to avoid pying for a PPV)

Cena as a performer is doing his job. The way he's booked is definitely gettning a mixed reaction.

[The Celt]

Yeah I do know, I went a lit overboard to make the distinction clearer, but in general they are viewed in a very positive light.

Someone hasn't been to the 411 comments section. There RoH is as hated as TNA, because apparently there are hundreds of morons out there who can't grasp the fact that every promotion has to start someone ie build an audience before going supernova, especially when you've no money to do it with.

Yep, apparently wrestling isn't good if "no-one" sees it. In these retards minds (I'm very choose about using the word retard) Taker and Cena could have 5 star classic in a forest, but it would sit suck ass because they didn't see it. Hint: The forest is Ring of Honor, and Taker and Cena could be any wrestler not on TV.

[Hyde Hill]

Hehe yeah but the 411 comment section is chuck full of idiots. And I am talking more about writers and people who's opinion slightly matter, then the 411 comment idiots.

[PeterHilton]

Hehe yeah but the 411 comment section is chuck full of idiots. And I am talking more about writers and people who's opinion slightly matter, then the 411 comment idiots.

To be fair though, they are pretty lolz

[The Masked Orange]

Not sure if it's a spoiler but:

Anybody see Punk's new mask? Pretty sick.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Seen a pic of it in the graphic after the Taker match. Looks weird, but I haven't seen him actually wearing it.

[MrCanada]

Am I the only guy becoming more and more sold on Luke Gallows?

I mean as Festus I found him entertaining in the ring kind of. Some unique offense, especially in the world of "slam! elbow drop!" big man wrestling. But now with the new character I am always left thinking why they made this guy a mute character in the first place. He's no CM Punk, sure, but there is nothing wrong at all about his mic work. And his matches are becoming better and better.

Sure maybe I dont see him as a main player, but playing a Fake Kane may of been an omen of sorts as he seems like he may one day graze the top spot, but always will have some use.

[Self]

I've been pleasantly surprised with his promos for some time. He's not exactly electrifying but he's comfortable and gets his point across. His matches with Rey Mysterio have been pretty great (even considering Rey's usual awesomeness) so yeah, I like Luke Gallows.

[cappyboy]

You know, with what you guys are saying about Gallows, you are so making me wish the E were able to sell me on their ability to be consistently entertaining so I could comment first-hand.

While I do like my Rocks and Hogans (back when anyway), I've also always liked guys like Gallows as you portray him. It's those guys who are comfortable and just get the point across that make the illusion more solid. The guys who have excess charisma oozing out of their pores and puddling on the floor at their feet may be the ones who sell and get all the glory. But it's support guys like you describe Gallows to be that provide the perspective to make the charisma kings not feel like drama queens. I've always had great respect admiration for those guys. They are the ones who maintain the stage the stars are on rather than just having them play the living room to friends and family.

[Hyde Hill]

I've been pleasantly surprised with his promos for some time. He's not exactly electrifying but he's comfortable and gets his point across. His matches with Rey Mysterio have been pretty great (even considering Rey's usual awesomeness) so yeah, I like Luke Gallows.

Yeah that was good booking between him and Rey. Especially that first match where Rey won but Gallows was made to look like a real threat.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Just watching last weeks NXT now. I must say the booking of Bryan since he was eliminated has been awesome. He looks like a legitimate nutbag imo.

[The Final Countdown]

Spoilers for Raw if you aren't watching:

It was pretty weird to hear Cole being a face announcer the entire show, only to be a total heel during the Bryan/Miz match. Glad to see Bryan win, even if I think it should've been via tapout when he got him in that crossface. But he made up for that by throwing Miz into Cole. :D

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I liked how Lawler called bs when Cole tried calling it a fluke and the biggest upset in history.

Can't believe the Ussos(sp?) are Rikishi's twin sons. He must have had them young.:eek:

[masterded]

Spoilers for Raw if you aren't watching:

It was pretty weird to hear Cole being a face announcer the entire show, only to be a total heel during the Bryan/Miz match. Glad to see Bryan win, even if I think it should've been via tapout when he got him in that crossface. But he made up for that by throwing Miz into Cole. :D

Though I wanted to see Miz tap I think they are saving it for a bigger (and longer match) plus I think the ending was to show that Bryan knows more then Miz. Miz reverses the submission into a pin only to have it reversed into a pin on him.

Also Rikishi's sons' promo was just awful. It was a bad combination of horrible writing meeting horrible delivery.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Please god let there be Rashad chants everytime Rampage is on screen next week.

[MattitudeV2]

Though I wanted to see Miz tap I think they are saving it for a bigger (and longer match) plus I think the ending was to show that Bryan knows more then Miz. Miz reverses the submission into a pin only to have it reversed into a pin on him.

Also Rikishi's sons' promo was just awful. It was a bad combination of horrible writing meeting horrible delivery.

I agree because they left some of their things unanswered like the hole question of their family? Like who for all the non-hardcore fans??

[The Celt]

Evan Bourne In The Main Event Of Raw?!?!?!?!?


Head Explosion In 5

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3

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[The Final Countdown]

Though I wanted to see Miz tap I think they are saving it for a bigger (and longer match) plus I think the ending was to show that Bryan knows more then Miz. Miz reverses the submission into a pin only to have it reversed into a pin on him.
If they're going to continue ahead with that feud, absolutely, that finish made the most sense--provided the feud ends with Bryan making Miz tap. It CANNOT end with Miz being victorious. Not if they want Bryan to be halfway credible. He needs to prevail to establish himself, while Miz will be just fine either way.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Holy crap, Bourne with the pinfall. Cena with the huge assist but still.

[The Celt]

Bourne Beats Sheamus!bourne Beats Sheamus!bourne Beats Sheamus!bourne Beats Sheamus!

On The Night Bryan Danielson Beat Miz!!!!!!

[masterded]

If they're going to continue ahead with that feud, absolutely, that finish made the most sense--provided the feud ends with Bryan making Miz tap. It CANNOT end with Miz being victorious. Not if they want Bryan to be halfway credible. He needs to prevail to establish himself, while Miz will be just fine either way.

Agreed. It would set Bryan back too much (though he could come back from it) and Miz is a good enough talker that he can afford to lose feuds in the WWE with no damage to him.

[The Final Countdown]

Bourne Beats Sheamus!bourne Beats Sheamus!bourne Beats Sheamus!bourne Beats Sheamus!

On The Night Bryan Danielson Beat Miz!!!!!!
Seriously. I think the Interwebs just exploded.

[Linsolv]

Is tonight just like, unmarked spoiler night?

(Not that I personally mind, but I know a lot of folks probably would.)

[masterded]

Is tonight just like, unmarked spoiler night?

(Not that I personally mind, but I know a lot of folks probably would.)

I know it sucks for people who can't or don't see it live, but common sense would day stay a WWE thread during or after a WWE event would include spoilers. (hope this does not come across as ill-willed or anything close to that).

[The Final Countdown]

Is tonight just like, unmarked spoiler night?

(Not that I personally mind, but I know a lot of folks probably would.)
I think it's a bit different for Raw or a PPV, which air live in most places. Smackdown's a different story, since it's taped. At least that's how I see it.

[masterded]

I think it's a bit different for Raw or a PPV, which air live in most places. Smackdown's a different story, since it's taped. At least that's how I see it.

Yeah I should have said broadcast not event.

[Slagaholic]

I liked how Lawler called bs when Cole tried calling it a fluke and the biggest upset in history.

Can't believe the Ussos(sp?) are Rikishi's twin sons. He must have had them young.:eek:

Never question Samoan sperm.

[fatallylost]

Between that, and the main event. I can affirm that, due to the two Ryder/Bourne matches. Reality has completely unraveled. The rapture may be upon us good fellows.

[TakerNGN74]

I thought tonight's Raw was one of the best in a while and Evan Bourne getting the victory in the main event was awesome!

[fatallylost]

I just hope this doesn't lead to Sheamus killing Bourne for the 40th time next week. They need to let him run with something.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I just hope this doesn't lead to Sheamus killing Bourne for the 40th time next week. They need to let him run with something.

Yeah, he has had a few false dawns. That must be the third or fourth time he has interrupted one of the big guys promos, saying he is sick of waiting for his chance and that he's going to take it.

[MrCanada]

Is tonight just like, unmarked spoiler night?

(Not that I personally mind, but I know a lot of folks probably would.)

I never understood why people go on the internet, especially wrestling websites and message boards, ESPECIALLY on the day of the show for 90% of most people and then get mad "YOU DIDN'T SAY SPOILERS!" well.......

Not that YOU were complaining, but its always funny to see.

[fatallylost]

One thing that tends to suck, is living on the West Coast. Nothing is really ever live here.

But, I found that USAHD plays Raw at 6pm, which is live.

It's the best.

[dvdWarrior]

I kinda like the Usos. Just glad one of them isn't named Vince, :p. Hope they hold off on the match between them and the Hart Dynasty until the next PPV, dunno if they will or not though. At least they're working on the tag team division.

Good to see Evan Bourne get the win over Sheamus in the main event as well, hope that spells some decent things in the future.

The cast of the new A-Team movie coming in to host next week. Once again brings to mind the question: how in the world can you recast Mr. T? I'm sure Rampage will be fine.... but it's MR. T!!!!

Just a few random thoughts I had.

:eek:

[MrCanada]

I kinda like the Usos. Just glad one of them isn't named Vince, :p. Hope they hold off on the match between them and the Hart Dynasty until the next PPV, dunno if they will or not though. At least they're working on the tag team division.
:

Yea, it seems to me the WWE has realized they cant just put it aside any more and maybe realize the greatness tag team wrestling was, and can be again.

I also think having guys like The Hart Dynasty, the Uso's, and the Rotundo's (in FCW) they realise they have talented guys who might not be single break outs, but can still move merch and such. Hart Dynasty shirts everywhere (in Canada at least).

[Slagaholic]

So I guess Daniel Bryan's gimmick is officially "Internet Fan"

Today he tweeted: Big NXT finale tonight. I'll be interested in seeing who wins. Wade Barrett deserves it, but you never know in WWE.

[aznblusuazn]

When John Morrison introduced his "rookie" for WWE NXT Season 2 Eli Cottonwood as a "Giant Redwood".... Was anyone else having thoughts of Giant Redwood making walking out of the Cornellverse into the real world of WWE? LOL.

[The Final Countdown]

So all of the eliminated rookies who actually answered the question said Barrett should win.

That means he's screwed.

[The Final Countdown]

Michelle & Layla as the "Pros" for Low Ki???

Wow.

[foolinc]

Lay-Cool is mentoring Kaval. Comic gold.

[TracyBrooksFan]

Laylcool mentor to Low-Ki sucks bad

[The Final Countdown]

Why did they build up "Mr. Perfect's son"...and then change his last name? Just silly.

[Slagaholic]

Michelle & Layla as the "Pros" for Low Ki???

Wow.

He's going to bang them both.

[MattitudeV2]

Season 2 of NXT has
Husky Harris(Windham Rotunda) with Cody Rhodes
Eli Cottonwood with John Morrison
Percy Watson with M.V.P.
Titus O'Neil with Zack Ryder
Kaval with Lay-Cool (LOL) :D
Lucky Cannon (Johnny Prime) with Mark Henry
Michael McGillicutty (Joe Hennig) with Kofi Kingston
Alex Riley with The Miz

[The Final Countdown]

What a huge drop-off as far as the Pros are concerned.

[Linsolv]

On one hand, they did move from uppercard or respected workers to mostly new midcarders...

On the other hand, they picked my favorite midcarders! Cody Rhodes, John Morrison, Kofi, and the Miz all on a D show? What more could I ask for? viewer participation?

[MrCanada]

well season 2 might be more interesting because its less talented... if that makes sense.

I mean this season they used up a good handful of their "A" prospects like Danielson, Barrett, Otunga, Gabriel, & Slater.

This year its a lot more even. I mean Riley, Hennig, & Kaval are obviously going to stand up front as the more talented guys, especially Hennig and Kaval, but outside of thats its pretty open and guys may surpise. Cottonwood is huge, that might be enough. Husky Harris has a unique look compared to WWE and may get support.

I think we can all agree though that, despite having one of the best names of all times, Lucky Cannon might need more then a rabbits foot to win this one. I say go hire his brother. Dusty Bottoms.

EDIT:

I just cant wait for the WWE universe to react the first time Kaval kicks someones head off. I think that alone has him a shoe-in to win. Imagine a Kaval, winner of season 2, vs the guy who COULDNT win season 1, Daniel Bryan, in the WWE.

EDIT 2:

And Ki being trained by Lay-Cool is genius. As is/was Miz & Bryan. Clearly they dont need the training, its not like anyone is going to believe, even the casual 9-year-old WWE fan, that after watching 1 Kaval match Lay-Cool can teach him a thing. However they will give him a good rub and help emphasize how good he is that he "doesnt need help." Lay-Cool trying to teach him stupid dances, saying he's worthless, then GHETTO STOMP!!!!!!

[SeanMcFly]

I actually prefer the pairings this time. Lay-Cool with Low-Ki is perfect

[alden]

LAYCOOL!!!!!!!!!!!!! WhAT THE BLUE ****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok rant over.........

I am a giant GIANT low ki mark. That guy is such a unique talent.........but wow. I felt almost the same when danial was givin the miz but atleast he has improved in the last few month. One of the most unique talents are givin two people who have no place in the ring. FACE PALM!

[dvdWarrior]

From reading these posts, I take it there's gonna be a second season on NXT after all...

Hmmm.... LayCool as Kaval's pros. Interesting. But I'm all for it. It's about time Low-Ki awakened the sleeping diva that lived within him!!!!

I kid.

Could be good for some comedy, I think.

Maybe.

:)

[The Final Countdown]

Imagine a Kaval, winner of season 2, vs the guy who COULDNT win season 1, Daniel Bryan, in the WWE.
The other "Founding Father" of ROH, Christopher Daniels, would be feeling pretty left out.

[TracyBrooksFan]

Laylcool is a joke and them with Kaval is even more of a joke. Vince wont have his Pro superstars look weka and have a "rookie" with divas win

[b0shey]

lol, Kaval and Lay-Cool... poor Kaval

David Otunga was so robbed of the victory

[The Final Countdown]

It was funny how all the Pros were arguing that any one of them could have won the competition as well if they'd had Wade Barrett, because Jericho is actually a huge reason why I was entertained by Barrett.

I almost wish they HADN'T included Kaval in the next season. Without him, I'd surely be skipping the show, but now I feel compelled to watch it. I watched this season pretty much only for Danielson, and found it pretty brutal until the last few weeks--ironically, AFTER Bryan was eliminated, since he's become far more interesting since then.

[fatallylost]

My thoughts...

First off, who the eff thinks of the names? Husky Harris? What is this? 1960's wrasslin?

Also, LayCool need to be fired already. They're just so, so, so bad with that gimmick. It doesn't work with what they're doing. There's a difference between being the "stuck up popular girls" and, just using a fake high pitched voice, and crappy 80's slang.

[dvdWarrior]

My thoughts...

First off, who the eff thinks of the names? Husky Harris? What is this? 1960's wrasslin?

Also, LayCool need to be fired already. They're just so, so, so bad with that gimmick. It doesn't work with what they're doing. There's a difference between being the "stuck up popular girls" and, just using a fake high pitched voice, and crappy 80's slang.

I always thought they were a (surprisingly cheap) rip-off of The Beautiful People, but that's just me.

And yes... the names they've given these guys are rather goofy. I almost expect to see a Masked Marvel in there next season, (perhaps Christopher Daniels' big WWE opportunity).

:D

[Hyde Hill]

I always thought they were a (surprisingly cheap) rip-off of The Beautiful People, but that's just me.

And yes... the names they've given these guys are rather goofy. I almost expect to see a Masked Marvel in there next season, (perhaps Christopher Daniels' big WWE opportunity).

:D

WTF does McTaker have with TNA???? First the angels wings, then the styles clash, then the bad beautiful people rip off and now kaval??? I so hope he calls her on that. I suppose it is a way of getting heel heat with the smarks but for me it is go away, rot and fail in life heat. AKA Bubba heat.

[fatallylost]

I always thought they were a (surprisingly cheap) rip-off of The Beautiful People, but that's just me.

And yes... the names they've given these guys are rather goofy. I almost expect to see a Masked Marvel in there next season, (perhaps Christopher Daniels' big WWE opportunity).

:D

I agree, and see it as a take off on the Beautiful People, just done with high school script writing chops.

Also, with the names. Why do they constantly change some of them? I get if it's a gimmick change.. but, hasn't Joe Hennig been Joe Hennig the whole time? McGillicutty? Really? Like it was mentioned earlier, why even bother saying Curt was his dad?

[Hyde Hill]

I agree, and see it as a take off on the Beautiful People, just done with high school script writing chops.

Also, with the names. Why do they constantly change some of them? I get if it's a gimmick change.. but, hasn't Joe Hennig been Joe Hennig the whole time? McGillicutty? Really? Like it was mentioned earlier, why even bother saying Curt was his dad?

Copyright reason's. But then they could have gone with Michael Henning or Perfect Jr. and it would result in the same and be a lot less lame.

And no I am not harping on McTaker and Kaval because it is an odd couple and thus lame etc given the WWE the reaction it wants. Kinda like a cheaper and worse version of Miz and Bryan.

It is because it is a lot, lot, lot weaker version then that and I do not see it helping Kaval's career at all.

[ampulator]

The Miz isn't bad in the ring, at least not anymore. He's no Bryan Danielson, but he's decent to good performer. At least it's possible for them to fued against each other.

However, LayCool and Low Ki? Is this going to lead to anything good?

[Self]

Just checked out the rookies/pro's, and despite having totally given up on NXT a few weeks ago, I'm pretty psyched. Kaval & Lay-Cool isn't naturally quite as easy a story as Bryan/Miz, but it could be pretty cool. I enjoy Layla, so the more I see of her the better.

Similarly Zack Ryder getting a rookie rocks in my book. Woo Woo Woo. You Know It. Alex Riley looks like a decent pairing for The Miz, perhaps an 'anti-Danielson' who will listen to his pro's instructions. More John Morrison is always good in my book, and I've turned around on Cody recently. He's a better worker than I gave him credit for, hopefully this is a chance to show some personality.

Which is true of a lot of these guys. The pro's in season 1 were charismatic guys. Christian. Punk. Miz. Regal. Jericho. Truth. This season you've got a few of those, but mostly folks who haven't developed or shown a great deal of personality. This is a chance for them as well as their rookies'.

I'm 87& sure it'll disappoint me, but I'm psyched in spite of myself.

EDIT: To those people complaining about Kaval/Lay-Cool... You know it's fake, right? They're not actually being mentored by these people. Just like Miz/Bryan, it's a storyline, and if I were going into NXT I'd rather have an interesting storyline to walk into than be paired with John Morrison or Cody Rhodes.

[alden]

I guess i can look at it as the same thing they tryed to do with danial.....everyone knows he is going to make it to the "main roster" just like kavel.....evryone knows who the star of that show is going to be. I was a little disapointed when he was not on the "first season" but who he would have had to share the spotlight with danial........and i will admit the wwe has done a great job of building him. I hope they just get ride of kaval early like they did with him but keep him an important part of the show. Because it was when he was cut from the show when he got good.

[Self]

I guess i can look at it as the same thing they tryed to do with danial.....everyone knows he is going to make it to the "main roster" just like kavel.....evryone knows who the star of that show is going to be. I was a little disapointed when he was not on the "first season" but who he would have had to share the spotlight with danial........and i will admit the wwe has done a great job of building him. I hope they just get ride of kaval early like they did with him but keep him an important part of the show. Because it was when he was cut from the show when he got good.

Funny. It was when he got cut from the show that I just stopped watching. I've barely watched any wrestling since he and Skip Sheffield got cut. I pretty much lost faith in WWE as storytellers at that moment. I guess I've spited myself out of some good stuff.

Digging the introduction video's on WWE.com. Percy Watson is fabulously ridiculous. Not exactly 'break out star' but looks like someone who'll entertain me for a few Tuesday nights.

[dvdWarrior]

I guess I've spited myself out of some good stuff.

You know, that doesn't have to be the case. WWE NXT episodes are available on Hulu.com, if you ever wanted to catch up. SmackDown! and Superstars as well, (I'm pretty sure).

No such luck for Raw and/or Impact though, near as I can tell.

Just mentioning this for the record.

:)

[Shmoe]

If Low Ki gives either one of Lay-Cool the double stomp from the top it'll all be worth it.

[Comradebot]

Utterly not shocked by the results. Infact, I believe I called it from the beginning he'd win.

Still, third place is my main man! God I hope the WWE makes half an attempt to use him proper.

[1234]

Poor, poor, Low-Ki...i mean Kaval :(

[The Celt]

my reaction to Kaval being paired with The Beautiful People, er, I mean Team LayCool:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQuBUy1dgo

[The Masked Orange]

I'm going to be wqtching just for Cottonwood/Morrison.

A guy who is over 7ft not getting some serious screen time with one of the most charismatic wrestlers in the WWE? I doubt it.

[Hyde Hill]

EDIT: To those people complaining about Kaval/Lay-Cool... You know it's fake, right? They're not actually being mentored by these people. Just like Miz/Bryan, it's a storyline, and if I were going into NXT I'd rather have an interesting storyline to walk into than be paired with John Morrison or Cody Rhodes.

Self I think you are underestimating the boards here. A lot of people are disappointed in the pairing out of a storyline perspective. It will be some cheap giggles but further then that it will be challenging to develop it in a way that can be good for Kaval's career. The Miz being paired with another but different Daniel Bryan would have worked better. Kaval with I dunno Zach Ryder, JTG or another odd pairing with more long term potential would have worked better. This needs a lot of very very good writing by the E team to work and I just do not see it happening.

[Linsolv]

I know very little about the indie scene, so I went and checked out a few clips of Low Ki on YouTube. My only thought is, isn't he a little stiff for the E?

EDIT: Also, am I the only one who's been really, incredibly bored with Layla? Michelle McCool's pretty solid on the mic, but Layla doesn't seem to be bringing anything to the table.

[Self]

Self I think you are underestimating the boards here. A lot of people are disappointed in the pairing out of a storyline perspective. It will be some cheap giggles but further then that it will be challenging to develop it in a way that can be good for Kaval's career. The Miz being paired with another but different Daniel Bryan would have worked better. Kaval with I dunno Zach Ryder, JTG or another odd pairing with more long term potential would have worked better. This needs a lot of very very good writing by the E team to work and I just do not see it happening.

Back when the Miz/Bryan pairing was announced, and the entire internet seemed to burst into tears, I said "Don't worry, they know what they're doing. This will be great." I no longer have that same confidence in the WWE writing team. So people are probably right. Kaval with Lay-Cool with probably suck... but it could be good. Not as a long term position, but as something for Kaval to do for 8-12 weeks... I see possibilities.

Sure. There are better alternatives. There always are. Put him with Edge as the 'Rated R Assassin', a ninja-esque fighter inexplicable loyal to his Pro, until his honourable and spiritual nature compels him to turn... by kicking Edge in the face. That's one idea.

I know very little about the indie scene, so I went and checked out a few clips of Low Ki on YouTube. My only thought is, isn't he a little stiff for the E?

EDIT: Also, am I the only one who's been really, incredibly bored with Layla? Michelle McCool's pretty solid on the mic, but Layla doesn't seem to be bringing anything to the table.

I'm the other way around. Michelle does nothing for me, but I love Layla. I think she was mostly on RAW before the whole Lay-Cool thing, so I guess I never saw her much before. I guess she could get boring after a while, but when she won the women's title I legit marked out.

Low Ki's kinda stiff, but he's been in FCW for a long time, so I'm sure he's adapted his style to suit.

[Undertaker666]

Literally just finished watching NXT. Did no-one else notice the huge goof made by Michael Tarver when they talked to the previously eliminated rookies after the triple threat?

Striker: Who do you think should be eliminated and why?
Tarver: One thing's for sure, whether i'm in this chair or in that ring, I am the product. But if I had to choose anybody...... I would choose me.
Striker: *says nothing but has a WTF look on his face*

I laughed so hard I think a little pee came out. When Striker talked to the rest of the guys he changed it to, "Who should WIN NXT and why?". :D

[The Final Countdown]

Back when the Miz/Bryan pairing was announced, and the entire internet seemed to burst into tears, I said "Don't worry, they know what they're doing. This will be great." I no longer have that same confidence in the WWE writing team. So people are probably right. Kaval with Lay-Cool with probably suck... but it could be good. Not as a long term position, but as something for Kaval to do for 8-12 weeks... I see possibilities.
As a Danielson fan, I liked that pairing the minute it was announced. I saw the storyline possibilities. (And, since I saw you say you stopped watching NXT several weeks ago: either they DID know what they were doing all along, or they called an audible, because the booking of Danielson and his tirades against Miz and Cole over the past few weeks has been awesome.)

The only way I see the Kaval/LayCool thing having any chance of working is if LayCool recruit someone to "teach him a lesson" after Kaval basically ignores them for weeks on end. Where else can they really go with it? As hysterical as I personally would find a tree of woe double stomp on McTaker, that's not happening. With Bryan/Miz, you were waiting for Bryan to become fed up with Miz's garbage and floor him. You know that Kaval isn't going to be attacking either member of LayCool, so that element of payback isn't there.

[GruntMark]

Im thinking Barret will be my early pick to "win".

Nailed it. ;)

[b0shey]

I always thought they were a (surprisingly cheap) rip-off of The Beautiful People, but that's just me.

:D

Totaly feel the saME way

on a side note: I dont get why they didnt use Joe Hennig as his name... come on Michael McGillicuty supposed to be son of Beulah McGillicutty or something :p

[Prophet]

I haven't watched the NXT finale yet, but already sneak-peeked the new cast. Little surprised Titus got the call, as the little I've seen of him, he's struck me as clumsy in the ring. And Johnny Prime or whatever 70's monikor he's working under now, has been a black void of charisma, in my opinion. Maybe the spotlight will change that, but I don't think so.

And as excited I am to see Low Ki and Joe Henning (who will remain Joe Henning forever and ever, darn it!) I'm real excited to see Riley. If he plays his Varsity Villian gimmick, calls himself the Rare Breed, and falls into the anti-Danielson role with the Miz, I think he's got this show locked up.

[RingofHonorGuard]

lol Low Ki with Lay Cool should be absolutely hilarious to watch. You've got probably one of the most angry human beings in the history of wrestling being mentored by Lay Cool. Wow.. Whoever put that triad together should be awarded. I can't see them casting Kaval off early like they did Danielson. Show would become too predictable. The early rumor for Ki in the 'E was to feud him with Rey Mysterio. That could/should still happen at the end of NXT.

[Stennick]

Why would it be predictable for Ki to be cast off? Because he's an "internet" guy? 90% of the people out there have no idea who this guy is so to that 90% it wouldn't be too predictable.

If the first season taught me anything is beside from Jericho and The Miz most of the pros were relevant for a few weeks before being forgotten about. Regal/Skip could have had a lot more done with it. Punk/Young had a good start and then they dropped that as well.

Eli Cottonwood or one of the second/third generation boys is my guess for a winner. Although Riley seems like he's got a shot as well.

[masterded]

Did anyone else find what Barrett said about Otunga to be both funny and true? I mean he seemed to be bad at everything I mean even the promo stuff that they seemed to keep pushing that he was good at was just awful. I found him to be the most boring person on all of NXT by far (though I may be alone). All he seemed to have was a look.

Also Percy Watson is my new favorite name for a wrestler.

[MichiganHero]

Does anybody find it as not a big surprise with Barret(t) winning? I mean Vince and the booking teams, seem to have a thing for British workers these days. Sheamus with his "God-push" and Drew McInytre spring to mind.

Also, Kaval with Lay-Cool. The comedy almost writes itself. Especially when they said the belt carrying bit.

[masterded]

Also, Kaval with Lay-Cool. The comedy almost writes itself. Especially when they said the belt carrying bit.

My problem with that is the only way it works is with Kaval playing it super straight like he did with the Paparazzi PCS. Which means it won't even be close to as funny as that was seeing as Nash and Shelley are a lot funnier then Lay-Cool and the WWE writers.

[Slagaholic]

Does anybody find it as not a big surprise with Barret(t) winning? I mean Vince and the booking teams, seem to have a thing for British workers these days. Sheamus with his "God-push" and Drew McInytre spring to mind.

To be nitpicky neither of those guys are Brits :P

[MichiganHero]

To be nitpicky neither of those guys are Brits :P

Sheamus is Irish and McInytre is from Scotland. Now if they ain't British...

[The Final Countdown]

Did anyone else find what Barrett said about Otunga to be both funny and true? I mean he seemed to be bad at everything I mean even the promo stuff that they seemed to keep pushing that he was good at was just awful. I found him to be the most boring person on all of NXT by far (though I may be alone). All he seemed to have was a look.
You're definitely not alone. For all this talk of Otunga having "charisma" and "it factor", I thought the guy was boring as hell.

[Hyde Hill]

Totaly feel the saME way

on a side note: I dont get why they didnt use Joe Hennig as his name... come on Michael McGillicuty supposed to be son of Beulah McGillicutty or something :p

The aforementioned copyright / trademark reasons. Still bad names though.

[Hyde Hill]

Does anybody find it as not a big surprise with Barret(t) winning? I mean Vince and the booking teams, seem to have a thing for British workers these days. Sheamus with his "God-push" and Drew McInytre spring to mind.

Also, Kaval with Lay-Cool. The comedy almost writes itself. Especially when they said the belt carrying bit.

Meh, from an overall skills set and type the E likes point of view he deserved the win. Who cares if it was predictable as long as it was done well. Which in the case of Barret was so-so in the case of Bryan also so-so and the rest of NXT was blah.

[Prophet]

Also Percy Watson is my new favorite name for a wrestler.

Not only does he have an awesome name, but he (along with Darren Young) par-tay! Young lost that early in the show, I really hope Percy keeps it. And given mic time, does his giggle, which amuses me no end for some reason. lol


The aforementioned copyright / trademark reasons. Still bad names though.

In the sense that Joe didn't want to give the `E permission to trademark his name? Or that the Henning family owns the rights to the name and lineage?

[Hyde Hill]

To be nitpicky neither of those guys are Brits :P

Think you are confusing England, UK and Britain here mate.

England = Just England
UK = England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.
Britain = England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland.

PS anyone remember when Finley first returned they billed him from Belfast Ireland? lolz. So Slag you are not alone.

[Hyde Hill]

Not only does he have an awesome name, but he (along with Darren Young) par-tay! Young lost that early in the show, I really hope Percy keeps it. And given mic time, does his giggle, which amuses me no end for some reason. lol




In the sense that Joe didn't want to give the `E permission to trademark his name? Or that the Henning family owns the rights to the name and lineage?

Its too close to his real name. Joseph Henning and they can not trademark that in a way that prevents him using it outside the E, plus Joe would have to allow them to trademark it while working for them and would probably demand a fee for that. Much like when Christopher Daniels un curried. They went with Daniels as TNA could not get a deal done for his full name.

So instead of going through the hassle they just rename them anyway. They could have done Perfect Jr. or Michael Henning though with no problem.

[lazorbeak]

Its too close to his real name. Joseph Henning and they can not trademark that in a way that prevents him using it outside the E, plus Joe would have to allow them to trademark it while working for them and would probably demand a fee for that. Much like when Christopher Daniels un curried. They went with Daniels as TNA could not get a deal done for his full name.

So instead of going through the hassle they just rename them anyway. They could have done Perfect Jr. or Michael Henning though with no problem.

The way it works is, you can't trademark someone's actual name without their permission, and even after they leave your company they can obviously still wrestle under their own name. WWE does it as one of the numerous ways they control their "independent contractors" abilities to work elsewhere. Just calling him "Mike Hennig" doesn't restrict his ability to work elsewhere because he can call himself "Joe Michael Hennig" when and if he leaves the company.

Because TNA is not a national level promotion, they have different problems. Daniels didn't use his real name not because TNA didn't want him to, but (presumably) because he didn't want to contract away his rights to his name after he was out of TNA. TNA's stupidly written contracts apparently don't give any compensation for media rights for using Daniels' name, likeness, etc., in videogames, DVD releases, etc., in perpetuity without requiring compensating him at all. "Christopher Daniels" isn't even a registered trademark anywhere, and guys that do have trademarks, like Samoa Joe, have trademarks that they registered themselves.

[The Masked Orange]

Think you are confusing England, UK and Britain here mate.

England = Just England
UK = England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland.
Britain = England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, Ireland.

PS anyone remember when Finley first returned they billed him from Belfast Ireland? lolz. So Slag you are not alone.

No, Britain is just England, Scotland, Wales from what I know. The Irish Isle is only included if you say The British Isles. But Drew is British, no mistakes about that. Just not Finlay and Sheamus.

[fatallylost]

The aforementioned copyright / trademark reasons. Still bad names though.

My one gripe with that is.... he's been Joe Hennig in FCW. Maybe they should have changed his name far before now perhaps. It just seems like they kill a ton of momentum with these crap names.

[The Final Countdown]

Christopher Daniels isn't his real name, for the record.

My biggest problem with the name change of Joe Hennig is that they more than once referred to him as the son of Mr. Perfect. Either acknowledge him as the son of Perfect and let him keep his last name, or make no mention of his lineage and change it to whatever stupid gimmick name you want.

[Hyde Hill]

Christopher Daniels isn't his real name, for the record.

My biggest problem with the name change of Joe Hennig is that they more than once referred to him as the son of Mr. Perfect. Either acknowledge him as the son of Perfect and let him keep his last name, or make no mention of his lineage and change it to whatever stupid gimmick name you want.

Yeah but apparently he had it trademarked himself from his ROH days so they needed to cut a deal with him. They did not succeed so chose just Daniels.

On FCW seriously no casual viewer or the majority of the E fans give a fig or know a fig about FCW.

[The Final Countdown]

On FCW seriously no casual viewer or the majority of the E fans give a fig or know a fig about FCW.
I agree. But I'd say quite a few of them know that Mr. Perfect's last name wasn't "McGillicutty."

[Hyde Hill]

I agree. But I'd say quite a few of them know that Mr. Perfect's last name wasn't "McGillicutty."

Yeah, was not responding to the last part of that post which I completely agree with. Kid Perfect, Perfect Jr, Mr. Perfection etc etc etc. Or just one name like they did with the Colon kids.

[MrCanada]

I just hate the McGullicutty name. Can you picture 15,000 people chanting that? Or more at Wrestlemania? I cant.

Mike Hennig? sure. They can trademark that instead of Joe Hennig and off to the races.

[Linsolv]

Yeah. When I heard someone say "McGillicutty," I thought it was a joke. I honestly thought they were going to tell me his real name in a second.

[Comradebot]

McGillicuty is such a joke name. Sounds like a comedy detective from the 1970s... or any bad cop film.

[The Celt]

http://i38.tinypic.com/1g5qr.jpg
How quick they forget.

[Stennick]

Or just how they never cared lol

[Prophet]

McGillicuty is such a joke name. Sounds like a comedy detective from the 1970s... or any bad cop film.

Think they're gonna pair him up with Rotunda? Greatest tag team ever!

[TV Voiceover Guy] One is a straight lace cop who goes by the book!

[Commish, off-screen]: McGillicuty, get in here! You got a case!

The other only knows one set of rules ... his own!

McGillicuty: Harris, you're eating again?

Harris: They don't call me Husky for nothing, ya know ... [canned laughter]

Together, they're the baddest detective force to ever patrol the mean streets of Wichita, Kansas ... they are ...

[gunshot sounds and squealing tires]

McGillicuty & Harris!

They can even expand it ... turn Percy Watson into Huggy Bear! :D

[MrCanada]

tune in for season 2 when McGillicuty and Harris are joined by a trigger happy rookie, Lucky Cannon!

[Candyman]

You're definitely not alone. For all this talk of Otunga having "charisma" and "it factor", I thought the guy was boring as hell.

I agree completely. I never saw anything remotely special about his promos, or his in ring work, or even his look...ok, he's in good shape. He was also 6' even and 240 lbs.

No, Britain is just England, Scotland, Wales from what I know. The Irish Isle is only included if you say The British Isles. But Drew is British, no mistakes about that. Just not Finlay and Sheamus.

This is correct. There's nothing British about Ireland. People from Scotland are technically British, but depending on their political view a Scot may either be proud or offended by being called British. The closest North American comparison that I can make would be Quebec in Canada...technically they're Canadian, but usually they're referred to as a Quebecer or French Canadian because some (not all) don't consider themselves Canadian. I have no idea where Drew stands on this issue...

But I believe Finlay is from Northern Ireland(I know he was billed from there...no idea where he was actually born), which would mean he's technically British as well, since Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

[Slagaholic]

I knew a Scottish national when I was little. His family HATED the British.

[-laz-]

as a proud scotsman i dont class myself as british that is an insult to any scot, its as bad as calling us english

[Slagaholic]

Told you!

:P

[Hyde Hill]

Yep its an insult, to many scots and welshmen, but it is also a fact.

[Self]

Yep its an insult, to many scots and welshmen, but it is also a fact.

Weird. Never met any Welshman who had a problem with it. Not that it's a topic that's ever come up much. I class myself as British, just as much as I call myself Welsh. Although I've also been called English a bunch of times when I'm abroad, and that didn't offend me either. It's my damned accent. Not lilting enough.

[Hyde Hill]

Many Scots and some Welshmen, damn my lazy typing lolz.

[Self]

I just hate the McGullicutty name. Can you picture 15,000 people chanting that? Or more at Wrestlemania? I cant.

Mike Hennig? sure. They can trademark that instead of Joe Hennig and off to the races.

The name is kinda dumb, but if they wanted to own the name, they had to change it. It was going to be mocked regardless, so I have no problems with it. Hell, I like Daniel Bryan now.

What bothered me more was how his little video package was all about 'bringing back ruthless aggression'. The definition of bland. For one, he's reusing an old concept. For two, the concept was boring the first time. Mike McGullicutty does nothing for me. Out of the 8 new guys, he probably made the worst first impression on me.

For giggles, a pre-season 2 ranking on how much I like them.

1. Percy Watson (Ridiculous man)
2. Kaval (smark bias)
3. Husky Harris (that name)
4. Alex Riley (how's my hair?)
5. Eli Cottonwood (tall man)
6. Lucky Cannon (not enough guys have long hair)
7. Titus O' Neil (Woo Woo Woo?)
8. Mike McGullicutty (ruthless boredom... 'lol')

I'm committing myself to watching at least the first 3 weeks of the new NXT. Should be enough to get a feel for the guys.

You're definitely not alone. For all this talk of Otunga having "charisma" and "it factor", I thought the guy was boring as hell.

I thought he had the best introductory video package. The character had a lot going for him. Married to a 'celebrity'. Harvard Law School. "Google Me". A natural heel gimmick. Whereas every other rookie talked about 'dreams' and 'destiny' and other insubstantial bull, he had actual, factual content to his character.

... then over the weeks his weaknesses shone through, and that vivid content got pushed aside for the vague and incalculable 'It Factor'. He became boring, dull and lifeless.

Many Scots and some Welshmen, damn my lazy typing lolz.

It's cool. For all I know you're right. I'm not exactly on the cusp of Welsh Nationalism.

[1234]

For giggles, a pre-season 2 ranking on how much I like them.

1. Percy Watson (Ridiculous man)
2. Kaval (smark bias)
3. Husky Harris (that name)
4. Alex Riley (how's my hair?)
5. Eli Cottonwood (tall man)
6. Lucky Cannon (not enough guys have long hair)
7. Titus O' Neil (Woo Woo Woo?)
8. Mike McGullicutty (ruthless boredom... 'lol')


I will join you on rankings

1. Kaval (Just becasue its Low-Ki)
2. Mike McGullicutty (Just because he's a Henning)
3. Percy Watson (Should add some charisma that was lacking in Season 1)
4. Husky Harris (Funny name and because he is third gen.)
5. Alex Riley (From the video package looks like him and the Miz will pair up well)
6. Eli Cottonwood (Should be funny to see the big man try and get over in front of big audience, doesnt look very good in the ring from what i have seen, so he will probably have to squash some other rookies)
7. Titus O'Neil (Only got 7th because he has Ryder as his pro)
8. Lucky Cannon (Not much to really buy into at the moment, and seems to have drawn the short straw in terms of pro's)

[Stennick]

1. Percy Watson - The guy had loads of more charisma than anyone else in the package

2. Alex Riley - Already done more to make me hate him than Otunga did for months. In a good way.

3. Eli Cottonwood - With a name like that, a big man, sort of the whole demented "I like to deal pain to people". I'm a sucker for big men who have demented gimmicks and he fits the bill pluse he reminds me of Giant Redwood in a good way so he's golden.

4. Kaval - This guy can go in the ring, their keeping his basic gimmick and he's teaming up with some crazy women that should make for interesting television.

5. Husky Harris - He's big and he wears the cowboy boot wrestling boots you can't go wrong with that. Plus his real name is Windham Rotunda how cool is that.

6. Mike Mcguillicutty - I'm already bored with the guy. He doesn't look as much like his dad and grand dad as I would have expected, he looks like he's very thin haired up top, he's not been wrestling that long, and he has a stupid name. I'm more interested in his sister than I am him.

7. Titus O'Neil - I don't know much about the guy and he didn't give me too much to know about him in his video package so I care why?

8. Lucky Cannon - I reminds me of Lucky from King of the Hill maybe its just his name. However that Lucky did more to entertain me than this Lucky is likely to ever do so with any of my own luck he'll be the first eliminated and quickly.

[Basmat01]

Lol they even ran a segment about Otunga with the pros say how bad he is in the ring during one of the shows.

Loved Heath Slaters "One man rock band" nickname it just sounds cool lol

It bugged the hell out of me the 1000 times they mentioned "X-factor or it factor" on the show really no else could think of anything else to say to the rookies?

I dunno to me Joe Hennig doesnt look that perfect. doesnt look like he would suit that gimmick. could be that he looks like his got some type of comb over hair do.

[Linsolv]

I think it's fair to say that the secret to success in the WWE is having a two- or three-syllable name.

"CE-NA." "OR-TON." "H-B-K." People like chanting things. McGillicutty is a FIVE SYLLABLE NAME. Mike is a ONE syllable name. Neither is chantable, unless you go for like a "Let's go Mike."

On the other hand, Lucky Cannon seems perfectly suited for chanting. As does Low-Ki; not entirely sure if "Kaval" would work because the separation between the syllables is a soft vowel.

[Candyman]

I think it's fair to say that the secret to success in the WWE is having a two- or three-syllable name.

"CE-NA." "OR-TON." "H-B-K." People like chanting things. McGillicutty is a FIVE SYLLABLE NAME. Mike is a ONE syllable name. Neither is chantable, unless you go for like a "Let's go Mike."

On the other hand, Lucky Cannon seems perfectly suited for chanting. As does Low-Ki; not entirely sure if "Kaval" would work because the separation between the syllables is a soft vowel.

Having something to chant certainly helps...but you can make up the lack of a chantable name with an easily chantable nickname, like HBK or Y2J. Or even a finisher, like Spear and RKO.

All of this talk reminds me of when a expansion sports team announces their nickname for the first time...everybody goes crazy over analyzing it, puts waaay too much thought into it, and then two years later you're used to it and couldn't imagine them being called anything else. Once Hennig/McGillicutty has wrestled about two matches, nobody's going to think about his name ever again. At the end of the day, a guy's going to get over (or not) based on what he does with a mic in his hand and between the ropes.

I don't know enough about the rookies to really rank them, but based on the promos I saw I'm really looking forward to seeing about four guys: Percy Watson and Alex Riley because they both seem very charismatic and I like charismatic wrestlers. Kaval, because I've never seen him wrestle and I want to see how good he really is. And Eli Cottonwood, because he has so much potential based on his size alone...if he can talk and/or go in the ring at all, he could be a superstar.

[Self]

I think it's fair to say that the secret to success in the WWE is having a two- or three-syllable name.

Undertaker.

You have a point. It's nice to have a chant-able name, but it's by no means a pre-requisite.

[Stennick]

You forget that HBK is a nick mane. Shawn Michaels isn't exactly a "chantable" name. All you have to do is give a guy a nickname and honestly chantable names don't make money so I'm not too worried about it from that aspect. Its names that are easily pronounceable and roll off the tongue and thats where this one falls short.

[Linsolv]

Yeah, but he came into it with a chantable nickname, the Heart Break Kid. That was his nickname when he was a midcard tag nobody. Which, for the record, is how I feel about all people who do only tag wrestling. Might not actually be fair.

Undertaker doesn't get chants. He seems to have gotten success from longevity, and from really good booking, neither one of which I expect to find from the current WWE.

[Slim Jim]

Undertaker gets the occasional "Un-der ta-ker" chants. Had absolutely no bearing on his success either way, of course, but his name is chantable and he has had it chanted.

Think Hennig having a chantable name or not really isn't going to have any impact at all on his success. Hell, Hennig doesn't even come off as easily as a chant as other two syllable names like Ce-na and Or-ton, at least not to me.

[hellshock70]

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned or is several pages back. The real reason for the battle royal to replace the Undertaker at Fatal 4-way:

The Undertaker vs. Rey Mysterio match on last week's SmackDown! has potentially changed the main-event dynamic on WWE's number two brand.

According to F4WOnline.com, Undertaker suffered a broken orbital bone, a broken nose and a concussion in the match with Rey Mysterio. Taped last Tuesday, the match aired on Friday Night SmackDown.

Though no plans have yet been etched in stone, the recommendation from doctors was that Undertaker take time off to recover. The original recommendation would have Undertaker missing the Fatal 4 Way pay-per-view, for which is he scheduled in the World Heavyweight Championship match, although the latest belief is that it is "50/50" as to whether he can wrestle on the show.

As WWE awaits a final decision on Undertaker's status, Rey Mysterio has reportedly been put on standby from what was to be a month-long vacation. WWE reportedly wants him available as a replacement for Undertaker on the road and on television; if needed, he would also be the logical substitute for the Fatal 4 Way title match.

[Stennick]

Yeah, but he came into it with a chantable nickname, the Heart Break Kid. That was his nickname when he was a midcard tag nobody. Which, for the record, is how I feel about all people who do only tag wrestling. Might not actually be fair.

Undertaker doesn't get chants. He seems to have gotten success from longevity, and from really good booking, neither one of which I expect to find from the current WWE.

Actually he came about it as an upper mid card I.C champion when he was with Sherri Martel after throwing Marty threw the window.

He wasn't "The Heartbreak Kid" Shawn Michaels as a member of the Rockers. My point is anybody can get a nick name. Not everyone gets chants and really these days chants are few and far between anyway. He became the "sexy boy" the love 'em and thus the name Heartbreak Kid since this kid was breaking the hearts of all the ladies etc.

Kind of silly that he kept the nickname I guess you could argue it transitioned into his own "heartbreak" of not winning the championship before finally winning it.

The names are dumb but the syllables and where their placed have less than a percent worth of reason for these names being a bad idea.

[Hyde Hill]

Just in case it hasn't been mentioned or is several pages back. The real reason for the battle royal to replace the Undertaker at Fatal 4-way:

The Undertaker vs. Rey Mysterio match on last week's SmackDown! has potentially changed the main-event dynamic on WWE's number two brand.

According to F4WOnline.com, Undertaker suffered a broken orbital bone, a broken nose and a concussion in the match with Rey Mysterio. Taped last Tuesday, the match aired on Friday Night SmackDown.

Though no plans have yet been etched in stone, the recommendation from doctors was that Undertaker take time off to recover. The original recommendation would have Undertaker missing the Fatal 4 Way pay-per-view, for which is he scheduled in the World Heavyweight Championship match, although the latest belief is that it is "50/50" as to whether he can wrestle on the show.

As WWE awaits a final decision on Undertaker's status, Rey Mysterio has reportedly been put on standby from what was to be a month-long vacation. WWE reportedly wants him available as a replacement for Undertaker on the road and on television; if needed, he would also be the logical substitute for the Fatal 4 Way title match.

Yep WWE losing ME talent left and right. They must be glad they god pushed Swagger and Sheamus outta nowhere.

[Stennick]

Swagger was more gradual. He's been getting pushed consitantly at the top of his brand for a year now. Sheamous on the other hand was out of nowhere.

[Self]

... and I'd hesitate to call any of them 'God pushes'. Since lucking his way to winning the belt, Swagger has lost to John Morrison, Kofi Kingston and had to get a DQ to retain over Big Show. He's getting promo time, sure, and that's good, but not exactly a strong push.

[Jaysin]

So, I just watched Kane's funeral promo for Undertaker from Smackdown yesterday. Best thing WWE has done in a long time. I really hope they elevate Kane to full fledged main event threat and gets a go at Swagger now.

[Candyman]

You forget that HBK is a nick mane. Shawn Michaels isn't exactly a "chantable" name. All you have to do is give a guy a nickname and honestly chantable names don't make money so I'm not too worried about it from that aspect. Its names that are easily pronounceable and roll off the tongue and thats where this one falls short.

Easily pronouncable names are not even a little more important than chantable names. They both matter a little, and only a little. It's what a guy does on TV when he's on TV that matters. If Hulk Hogan was named Longfellow MacGhilleseatheanaich, he still would have been a superstar.

[The Final Countdown]

So, I just watched Kane's funeral promo for Undertaker from Smackdown yesterday. Best thing WWE has done in a long time. I really hope they elevate Kane to full fledged main event threat and gets a go at Swagger now.
That's funny; I thought it was one of the worst things they've done in a long time. Maybe it's just hard for me to believe Kane could be so upset about something happening to his "brother", considering all the things he himself has tried to do to him over the years. Suspending disbelief is one thing, but that was over the top for me. Of course, they've pretty much retconned (is that the word?) Kane's entire character over the years, so it's hard for me to ever take him seriously or be interested in anything that he does.

[evileddie10]

I would have to agree. While I was watching the Kane promo, my mind flashed back to Kane "killing" the Undertaker on at least two occasions. But I'm interested in where they take this storyline. I feel like this could be the perfect chance to turn Kane heel and reveal it was him all along. But that might be too obvious. I was also left wondering where Shad was in the battle royale, I don't remember seeing him in it. I thought all the male members of the Smackdown! roster where supposed it be in it bar the already qualified for Fatal 4 Way.

[Hyde Hill]

... and I'd hesitate to call any of them 'God pushes'. Since lucking his way to winning the belt, Swagger has lost to John Morrison, Kofi Kingston and had to get a DQ to retain over Big Show. He's getting promo time, sure, and that's good, but not exactly a strong push.

Yeah I went the easy route with my wording but Swagger had been losing left and right and was mediocrly featured and then MITB and Bam champ which he has held onto. Sheamus kills Noble, Champ, remains champ for a while. They where not over the top maximum god pushes but they where damn quick.

[Hyde Hill]

I would have to agree. While I was watching the Kane promo, my mind flashed back to Kane "killing" the Undertaker on at least two occasions. But I'm interested in where they take this storyline. I feel like this could be the perfect chance to turn Kane heel and reveal it was him all along. But that might be too obvious. I was also left wondering where Shad was in the battle royale, I don't remember seeing him in it. I thought all the male members of the Smackdown! roster where supposed it be in it bar the already qualified for Fatal 4 Way.

Wasn't Shad moved to raw with JTG staying on Smackdown?

[evileddie10]

Shad is listed on Smackdown! roster page, and I thought JTG was moved to RAW only for that to get canceled or something like that. Now that I think about it Hornswoggle was also missing from that match.

[Hyde Hill]

Hehe yeah they caused some confusion there with the supplemental draft. Anyway who cares they had their we don't care about tag teams but we have them run. Had their split and feud and are now waiting to be released.

[Candyman]

So, I just watched Kane's funeral promo for Undertaker from Smackdown yesterday. Best thing WWE has done in a long time. I really hope they elevate Kane to full fledged main event threat and gets a go at Swagger now.

I agree...I rolled my eyes after Teddy's announcement, but that was an excellent promo by Kane. Hopefully this is a sign of big things to come for him.

[evileddie10]

While tag team wrestling is certainly on a decline in the WWE, considering 10 years ago the division was stacked with great teams. I think tag team wrestling in the casual fans eyes do not matter.

All my friends who on occasions watch wrestling always ask me why tag team wrestling is even done. I personally see tag team wrestling as a unique form.

But then again I found Cody Rhodes bland in Legacy, and now that he is solo on Smackdown! I actually see some of the hype surrounding the 2nd generation star.

I noticed Josh Matthews mention a new system for season 2 of NXT. Where the fans have 50/50 say on the eliminations or something along those lines. I am not sure if that is a wise choice by the WWE. I feel this will become a popularity contest just like "x-factor" or "american idol", by that I mean popularity will be more important for the "contestants" then their actually talent. But then again it depends on how the term "50/50" is meant in the WWE dictionary.

[Self]

I'm sure it'll be just as rigged as the first one. I figure the '50-50' announcement is to try to get folks more emotionally invested in the show and maybe increase website traffic.

Tag team wrestling is only seen as unimportant because WWE treat it as unimportant. If main event stars were in teams and acting like they really wanted those tag belts, the division would mean so much more. When DX had them, they were almost treated as joke titles. Jericho only wanted them so he could be on RAW. Every other tag team are midcarders. Of course fans see it as unimportant.

Cody has seemed better (the few times he's actually been) on Smackdown, but that to me is just Smackdown. It's a place for lesser guys to breath and thrive and not be crushed by RAW's glass ceiling.

[Hyde Hill]

While tag team wrestling is certainly on a decline in the WWE, considering 10 years ago the division was stacked with great teams. I think tag team wrestling in the casual fans eyes do not matter.

All my friends who on occasions watch wrestling always ask me why tag team wrestling is even done. I personally see tag team wrestling as a unique form.

But then again I found Cody Rhodes bland in Legacy, and now that he is solo on Smackdown! I actually see some of the hype surrounding the 2nd generation star.

I noticed Josh Matthews mention a new system for season 2 of NXT. Where the fans have 50/50 say on the eliminations or something along those lines. I am not sure if that is a wise choice by the WWE. I feel this will become a popularity contest just like "x-factor" or "american idol", by that I mean popularity will be more important for the "contestants" then their actually talent. But then again it depends on how the term "50/50" is meant in the WWE dictionary.

Well that is kind of the problem with having such a clear and dominant no1 by ignoring and de emphasizing the tag team division it eventually becomes less valuable in most casual fans eyes. If said same casual watching friends of yours where watching in the peak years of the 80's and 90's they would have a different opinion.

You don't even need main eventers constantly battling over them but you need the division to be given time and effort and be competitive, same thing goes for cruiserweights. Where there any ME's competing for it in WCW? nope was it one of the highlights and attention grabbers for the show? Yep.

One of the reasons why I like that other company is that they have two actual competitions in that respect even though the booking is flawed or shoddy from time to time.

[The Masked Orange]

This is correct. There's nothing British about Ireland. People from Scotland are technically British, but depending on their political view a Scot may either be proud or offended by being called British. The closest North American comparison that I can make would be Quebec in Canada...technically they're Canadian, but usually they're referred to as a Quebecer or French Canadian because some (not all) don't consider themselves Canadian. I have no idea where Drew stands on this issue...

But I believe Finlay is from Northern Ireland(I know he was billed from there...no idea where he was actually born), which would mean he's technically British as well, since Northern Ireland is part of the UK.

Not to nit-picky, but British is a term to describe those from the geographical area rather than to describe those from the UK. However you are right, technically speaking N. Irish are British because they got lumped under that name with the rest of us as they are part of the UK. The official demonym is British for them by default, which should offend them more than any Scot, who actually live on the British Isle so are definitely British.

[LoganRodzen]

The Duuuuuuuuuudebustersssssss.

[The Final Countdown]

The Duuuuuuuuuudebustersssssss.

They got my vote. :D

[LoganRodzen]

They got my vote. :D

Same. :cool:

[SaySo]

Let's go Usos...Beat em up.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Crap, I couldnt find the option for no Divas match... so now, we're forced to watch this crap....

[Hyde Hill]

Hmmm reading the recap this is shaping up to be a horrible RAW.

[fatallylost]

Hmmm reading the recap this is shaping up to be a horrible RAW.

I have it set to record every week, in case I miss it.

I started watching it, and stopped at commercial break #1.

So.. apparently Survivor Series isn't dead? Apparently they announced ticket on sale info during a commercial.

[LoganRodzen]

Gene Okerlund and Josh Matthews just stole the show. :D

[moon_lit_tears]

I have it set to record every week, in case I miss it.

I started watching it, and stopped at commercial break #1.

So.. apparently Survivor Series isn't dead? Apparently they announced ticket on sale info during a commercial.

I have not watched the Monday night show in AGES. Decided what the hell turned it on, and turned it off at the same point. :D

Was horrible.

[LoganRodzen]

This was the greatest gift Vince could ever give to all of the Cena haters. :rolleyes:

[SaySo]

This was the greatest gift Vince could ever give to all of the Cena haters. :rolleyes:

Wade Barrett and the Eliminated just buried the main event. Could anyone predicted that?

[The Final Countdown]

Well...

That was rather unexpected.

[LoganRodzen]

Wade Barrett and the Eliminated just buried the main event. Could anyone predicted that?

I've been laughing through the entire segment. I couldn't believe my eyes. That was bad ass.

[SaySo]

Well...

That was rather unexpected.

Vince McMahon and the promo he had with Bret may have clues.

[The Final Countdown]

I probably enjoyed seeing Danielson kick Cena in the head more than I should have.

[TracyBrooksFan]

great ending to RAW

[cbhcbh]

On one hand, it was a both a figurative and near-literal deconstruction of the idea of a "professional wrestling show," while still being part of said show. Interesting.

On the other hand, I have no problem with what just happened, and in fact might just be marking hard for it.

The only question that remains is: how soon will the explanation of the armbands be given?

[GDE71]

On one hand, it was a both a figurative and near-literal deconstruction of the idea of a "professional wrestling show," while still being part of said show. Interesting.

On the other hand, I have no problem with what just happened, and in fact might just be marking hard for it.

The only question that remains is: how soon will the explanation of the armbands be given?

N for NXT

[Johnny Fenoli]

On one hand, it was a both a figurative and near-literal deconstruction of the idea of a "professional wrestling show," while still being part of said show. Interesting.

On the other hand, I have no problem with what just happened, and in fact might just be marking hard for it.

The only question that remains is: how soon will the explanation of the armbands be given?

What kinda explanation is needed? They are NXT rookies in a gang of some sort, so they are all wearing "N" armbands?

Anyway, that was CRAZY! nWo takeover like...

[SaySo]

Now can someone tell Kane the NXT guys took out his brother UnderTaker.

[foolinc]

Now can someone tell Kane the NXT guys took out his brother UnderTaker.

Which would be a continuation of the Kane vs. NXT angle they did a few weeks ago.

[alden]

Who knew koslov could dance so well.

[infinitywpi]

The entire existence of NXT has just been justified. This was as close to an Invasion-level markout I've had for a while. The sheer... potential, of what may come.

Let's hope they don't blow it.

Also, bonus points if they reveal their leader, evil Micheal Cole, has been in on it from the begining...

[cbhcbh]

N for NXT

OBVIOUSLY. Think a little deeper, though.

What kinda explanation is needed? They are NXT rookies in a gang of some sort, so they are all wearing "N" armbands?

Armbands are also worn in grief. Yes, the armbands were black, though that could coincide with the show's color theme. Think like a writer, though. Perhaps they're grieving over not having a fair shot, which was a theme used throughout the first season? Perhaps they're grieving for the old WWE, as evidenced by their attempted overthrow of the old guard?

Armbands are worn in grief, or to, as you said, designate solidarity with an organization or group. Both are typically worn on the left arm. So why did they choose the right arm for these guys?

The font for the N was also different. Coincidence, necessity, or conscious choice?

THESE are the explanations I'd like. Life is not only "the big picture," and often the story is told in the details... like a well-written mystery.

[cbhcbh]

The entire existence of NXT has just been justified. This was as close to an Invasion-level markout I've had for a while. The sheer... potential, of what may come.

Let's hope they don't blow it.

Also, bonus points if they reveal their leader, evil Micheal Cole, has been in on it from the begining...

Yes.... thank you. I love that idea. Imagine Jim Buck Ross screaming, "Damn that Michael Cole! Damn him! Damn him to Hell!"

[Johnny Fenoli]

OBVIOUSLY. Think a little deeper, though.



Armbands are also worn in grief. Yes, the armbands were black, though that could coincide with the show's color theme. Think like a writer, though. Perhaps they're grieving over not having a fair shot, which was a theme used throughout the first season? Perhaps they're grieving for the old WWE, as evidenced by their attempted overthrow of the old guard?

Armbands are worn in grief, or to, as you said, designate solidarity with an organization or group. Both are typically worn on the left arm. So why did they choose the right arm for these guys?

The font for the N was also different. Coincidence, necessity, or conscious choice?

THESE are the explanations I'd like. Life is not only "the big picture," and often the story is told in the details... like a well-written mystery.


Though I'd love it if the WWE started writing with some form of thought process like this, I think you're giving them way too much credit.

I'm willing to bet there is no explanation, they are just members of the NXT gang. I love your thought process though, and you seem like you have some ideas as to what you'd LIKE for them to mean. So, by all means share. I'd be very interested in people's theories and ideas as to where to go with the storyline from here.

[BHK1978]

I saw the first two hours and missed most of the second hour. I did see the part where Bryan Danielson was slapping Cena in the face and I thought it was great. I like this whole rookies revolt idea, now I hope it does not go the way of the Natural Born Thrillers and just end up being lackluster.

One question as I did not see the whole attack, what happened to Michael Cole during this whole thing? I did not see him on the floor post-attack.

[Eisen-verse]

I have to say I lazily watched the first 2 1/2 hours of RAW hoping something cool would happen. At first, I thought it was just seeing CM Punk headline RAW would be it. I haven't watched much in the last few months, so, I'm new to his "Straight Edge" heel stable; Love the visuals of it.

With that said, as the winner of NXT came down... I was expecting something rather, well, expected. He would climb into the ring and attack Cena; A "new star is born" kind of thing. However, when they all showed up and started attacking CM Punk, at first, I was thinking there was going to be this stupid angle where these guys become like Cena's army for whatever reason. Sounded dumb, yes, but that's what I expect from the WWE.

So....

When the ending took place as it did I found myself marking out like a 10 year old boy again. ha. I even went as far as to tell my Fiancee about how shocking it was to see such a scenario end a WWE broadcast in the companies 'new direction'. It felt very nWo-esque but even more violent in a way. There was this raw hatred permeating from these guys. All I can say is... wow... Bravo WWE. Great work!

Now don't blow this and you'll gain me as a weekly viewer.

[LoganRodzen]

I rarely watch RAW and when I do I usually only see a few segments, but I watched all of tonight and can say the ending was worth watching all of the "crap" that came before it.

Here's a fun little question to ask yourselves...

Would Hogan have let 8 "rookies" beat him to a pulp and then get stretchered out? :rolleyes:

Never. Ever.

[MattitudeV2]

I rarely watch RAW and when I do I usually only see a few segments, but I watched all of tonight and can say the ending was worth watching all of the "crap" that came before it.

Here's a fun little question to ask yourselves...

Would Hogan have let 8 "rookies" beat him to a pulp and then get stretchered out? :rolleyes:

Never. Ever.

You are right on that my friend

[GDE71]

Just watched it on wwe.com again and it doesn't look like Michael Cole got attacked.

It would be interesting if he was involved.


I do agree the first 2 hours and 50 minutes of the show were pretty awful. I don't think you can save a 3 hour show with this ending, but it has the potential to be something special.

[TakerNGN74]

In my opinion it was probably one of the best Raw's I have seen in a while, granted it wasn't perfect but all the positives far out weighed the negatives in my opinion.

[SaySo]

Remember 9 years ago when Cena first arrived to the scene with the ruthless aggression and his match with Kurt Angle? Fast forward now, the NXT decided to show their form of ruthless aggression on CENA.

[GDE71]

In my opinion it was probably one of the best Raw's I have seen in a while, granted it wasn't perfect but all the positives far out weighed the negatives in my opinion.


You might be the only person alive who thinks so.

Doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you very weird.

[BHK1978]

I actually think Cole would be their perfect leader. He is, at least for me anyway, in the same vein as a young Vince McMahon or a pre-NWO Eric Bischoff. You know the young announcer who people really do not respect all that much. And then all of a sudden my like with Vince with Bret or Eric with the NWO you could turn him into the mouthpiece of this new heel group. To me it should work like a charm if this is the road they are going to go down.

[TakerNGN74]

You might be the only person alive who thinks so.

Doesn't make you wrong, it just makes you very weird.

To me I like to be picky but not so picky that I hate the product. If I hate the product or if anyone else hates the product that much then they might as well not watch it.

[infinitywpi]

Hrm. Here's the promo I'm expecting when we find out Cole was behind it all...

"That's right, that's right. Boo me. You don't like me. I know! When I had Daniel Bryan come out and call me a poor man's J.R., and you all cheered? I heard it. I've been hearing it ever since I was taking crap from The Rock in interviews backstage. Well, you know what? It's time for things to be different. Jerry Lawler never showed me an ounce of respect at that announce table. Well, he's not here anymore. Matt Striker never showed me any respect. He's not here anymore. John Cena... well, let's remind you all about John Cena."

*Play clips of John Cena insulting Cole*

"John Cena... did not show me any respect. And he is not here anymore. Last week, we made a statement. A declaration of war. You are either with us, showing respect, or you are against us, and we'll show you the inside of an ambulance. We are NXT, and this show is now ours."

[alden]

Ok my views ok what was a tarible raw but FANTASTIC ten miniute angle lol. I think it is odvious barret is the leader of this "group" he nods his head at first and they all climb onto th apron...he can be seen telling a few of them what to do a few times. This had a very "real" fell about it.......I have not seen this since the nwo but this might have been even better. I do think cole was attacked by daniels and two others...they show him getting choked out very clearly.

So i have to say congratz wwe.....in one angle you just build up the future of your company if you do it right. Each and every person of this "group" looked dominating and impressive.....They even broke keyfabe and showed the wood under the mat...that was odd. Danielson getting heat was odd to see.....i did not expect it and neither with gabrial...they were both cheered so much.

All i can say is watch this segment somehow. Because i think people are going to stop talking about the nwo......and start talking about a new "faction" from now on.

EDIT
That might have been stryker getting choked out.....I thought it was cole when i first watched it bug not so sure now.

[dvdWarrior]

EDIT
That might have been stryker getting choked out.....I thought it was cole when i first watched it bug not so sure now.

Pretty sure that was ring announcer Justin Roberts getting choked out, but it was an awesome angle all around. Michael Cole ran for the hills at the outset. An edited video is up on WWE.com.

[alden]

yeah it might have been.....they edited it on wwe? why o why would you edit even a second of that ending lol.....it was all great

[dvdWarrior]

yeah it might have been.....they edited it on wwe? why o why would you edit even a second of that ending lol.....it was all great

It was a short video. I think it was just edited for time. It's like 5 minutes and some change, rather than the full 15 minutes or so the angle ran.

Here's the link:

http://www.wwe.com/content/media/video/vms/raw/2010/june8-14/14690316

:)

[ampulator]

I actually think Cole would be their perfect leader. He is, at least for me anyway, in the same vein as a young Vince McMahon or a pre-NWO Eric Bischoff. You know the young announcer who people really do not respect all that much. And then all of a sudden my like with Vince with Bret or Eric with the NWO you could turn him into the mouthpiece of this new heel group. To me it should work like a charm if this is the road they are going to go down.
Announcer Vince McMahon and Announcer Eric Bischoff were both bad announcers. However, they made great heel managers, color commentators, and authority figures. Maybe it's time for a career/gimmick change for Michael Cole.

[MightyDavidson]

I actually watched RAW a second time to see the angle happen again, it was that awesome. It was done with some surprising subtlety too by WWE standards.

I mean on some other message boards I hear people kvetching because they don't know why they attacked Cena, but it was pretty much stated earlier though not actually by them. Remember when Rey Mysterio was talking about becoming the top dog on RAW by beating Cena? Apparently Barret and company did. ;)

I'm loving this and I'm so hoping WWE doesn't mess it up.

[alden]

I still think barret is going to be the leader......or heck how about stryker? the newest announcer? He is a good wrestler in his own right and was pushed into teh announce table......it could work.

[MightyDavidson]

I still think barret is going to be the leader......or heck how about stryker? the newest announcer? He is a good wrestler in his own right and was pushed into teh announce table......it could work.

I don't think so. The group is fine as it is right now, they don't need Striker right now.

[alden]

that is why i say it is barret.....if it is anyone it should be him but they don't need anyone now.

[Self]

Don't usually play catch-up on RAW, but I've grown attached to the NXT Season 1 guys despite (or maybe even because of) them being so shoddily booked over the past few months, so I watched this morning before work. Very cool. Daniel Bryan's "You are not better than me" was nice.

How is showing there's wood under the mat breaking kayfabe? What else would it be made of?

[alden]

I guess breaking kayfabe is not the right word.....but to be honest has anyone ever done that?

[MightyDavidson]

Just finished watching it all again. Was that Howard Finkel trying to rescue Justin Roberts from the NXT guys before he got clobbered? If so that may count as the Fink's crowning moment of awesome for his career, despite getting clobbered.

Best thing the WWE's done in years if you ask me, simply awesome.

[BHK1978]

Announcer Vince McMahon and Announcer Eric Bischoff were both bad announcers. However, they made great heel managers, color commentators, and authority figures. Maybe it's time for a career/gimmick change for Michael Cole.

That is what I was getting at both Eric and Vince got the same reactions when they were announcers and they turned into great heel managers, color commentators and authority figures. I think that it would be perfect for Michael Cole to be the next annoying announcer (that is not how I feel but I know a lot of fans do feel that way), that the fans have never respected, to turn heel.

[Comradebot]

WOW

Amazing ending. I marked out heavily after Barrett dropped Cena and pointed to the top rope. Instantly knew it meant 450 from Gabriel coming up, and both him and his finisher are mark out worthy. From getting hit with the chinlock from hell by Ares down in South Africa to hitting the 450 on national television on the biggest star in the company today... quite the journey.

And Barrett? Talked about it with GruntMark and we agree: he will be champion very, very soon and it'll probably be one of the wisest things the WWE has done in awhile. I'm usually not a fan of the "super fast push to the main event" ala Brock Lesnar and Sheamus, but... c'mon, Wade Barrett is amazing. Has the look of a champion (great look in general), plays an excellent heel, can actually cut a promo... heck, he's even half-talented for someone his size.

Oh, and Justin Gabriel rocks, his inability to cut a promo aside. Had to mark out again for him.

[alden]

I see every devision being helped by this......i really want to see danials and gabrial team up.....the two faces of nxt are going to sting even more with the heel turn....come on who seen danials being heel.....he had babyface writen all over him.

[evileddie10]

With what happened on RAW I am now really hyped up for today's NXT. I wondering if the Season 1 guys will show up on NXT tonight. Or maybe try to have the new croup join them in the hunt for glory, or something along those lines. Speaking of NXT season 2, I am really excited about Alex Riley, especially since his mentor is the Miz. Perfect fit.

[1234]

With what happened on RAW I am now really hyped up for today's NXT. I wondering if the Season 1 guys will show up on NXT tonight. Or maybe try to have the new croup join them in the hunt for glory, or something along those lines. Speaking of NXT season 2, I am really excited about Alex Riley, especially since his mentor is the Miz. Perfect fit.

Im hoping Barrett shows up to recrute the new rookies...but thats just because i want Kaval to join in.

[The Celt]

I'm thinking on the NXT RAW (aaahhh, see what I did there :rolleyes: ) Vince McMahon will be hyped as coming out to comment on the NXT season 1 rookie problem. I bet he comes out towards the end of the show and swerves a very people by announcing he's never been more impressed by a group of rookies, saying their invasion was one of the most memorable moments on RAW for some time and a real rating grabber, and as such he's offically signing all the rookies to WWE contracts!

The NXT rooks come out, and Wade Barrett will thank Mr. McMahon for his valuable investment. Wade then cuts a promo about how his NXT group are the new stars of the WWE and shall be taking over in the coming weeks and months etc etc etc The rightful and true heirs of the WWE kingdom etc etc etc

Dur Dur Dur Duuuuuurrrrrrrrrrr

Dur Dur Dur Duuuuurrrrrrrrrrr

Ya-HA!

Trumpets

Cena comes out, backed by a ton of RAW guys and they come down and brawl with the NXT group as RAW either ends or goes to break.

End Segment.

[Marshall]

Well, it looks like the writing crew wrote the NXT segment first, felt so chuffed with themselves and didn't bother with the rest of the show. Fascinating end to a substandard Raw. Tarver's look with the bandana over his face in the crowd was perfect for the beginning of a very real-feeling angle.

Barrett's the natural leader, just immense in his role. When they said the NXT winner would get a PPV title match, did it mean in a properly sanctioned, announced-ahead-of-time match, or could it mean a match similar to the MITB wins of the past? If it means a MITB style match, Cena retains at Fatal 4 Way and loses the belt straight after to Barrett. Really interesting angle.

[juggaloninjalee]

I just watched the vid on WWE.com and I loved it!!!!!!!!!! That is what wrestling needs.

[MrOnu]

Totally unexpected and it created a buzz. Now comes the hard part : the follow-up. There's ton of potentiel, it can be entertaining, heck we all want it to be, but it can also bomb hard. Let's hope it leads somewhere meaningful and that it's not just another angle we'll have forgotten in 4 months.

[GDE71]

TNA has all this young talent and they don't push it and have floundered lately.

Now WWE looks like they might be pushing a ton of young workers and despite a really bad show, used them in an amazing angle.

Yes the follow-up will be critical in whether or not this is anything more than a ten minute one angle wonder.

They did get me to watch NXT 2nite and to avoid Smackdown spoilers and to watch RAW next week.

However, if they give us another bad show with a great angle to end it, that won't be enough.

[Prophet]

Pretty sure that was ring announcer Justin Roberts getting choked out, but it was an awesome angle all around. Michael Cole ran for the hills at the outset. An edited video is up on WWE.com.

Man, poor Justin Roberts. I thought they were gonna break that little guy. lol

The ending was awesome. I saw Barrett, and remembered the earlier promo about "asking again next week" and thought "huh, Barrett's going for Cena off the bat? All right, I guess." Then Cole did his panicked little girl routine, and they quick-shot Tarver, and I got a little giddy. The total decimation of the flagship show was really well done.

And Barrett does seem to be the head of the crew, but my guess is there will be a mastermind. Is it Cole? Possible, since he seemed to run off before anything went down, leaving King to be beaten down.

Is it McMahon? Also possible, since they did destroy Bret Hart's show, after last week's speech about "tough decisions."

My hope? It's Jim Ross. It's an angry, embittered veteran on the mic, tired of the status quo, sick of being used and pushed to the side, a man so filled with rage that his spot was taken by some second class announcer, that he did something about it. He appealed to Barrett's love of money, and these kids who showed flashes of brilliance, telling them about seizing opportunity. And somehow Otunga overheard, and jumped onboard. :p

Is it the most sensible explanation? No. Does it give JR a chance to resume his role on the mic? Yes, and that's what I want. lol I'd also accept Josh Matthews doing it, tired of Cole running his mouth about things he doesn't understand, and holding him down.

[UkWrestleFan]

I'd like it to be Cole but then there's his rift with Danielson/Bryan. Did they just sweep that under the rug?

Either way, amazing finish to RAW. Hope the Creative Team don't **** this up.

[Hitman23]

Man, poor Justin Roberts. I thought they were gonna break that little guy. lol

The ending was awesome. I saw Barrett, and remembered the earlier promo about "asking again next week" and thought "huh, Barrett's going for Cena off the bat? All right, I guess." Then Cole did his panicked little girl routine, and they quick-shot Tarver, and I got a little giddy. The total decimation of the flagship show was really well done.

And Barrett does seem to be the head of the crew, but my guess is there will be a mastermind. Is it Cole? Possible, since he seemed to run off before anything went down, leaving King to be beaten down.

Is it McMahon? Also possible, since they did destroy Bret Hart's show, after last week's speech about "tough decisions."

My hope? It's Jim Ross. It's an angry, embittered veteran on the mic, tired of the status quo, sick of being used and pushed to the side, a man so filled with rage that his spot was taken by some second class announcer, that he did something about it. He appealed to Barrett's love of money, and these kids who showed flashes of brilliance, telling them about seizing opportunity. And somehow Otunga overheard, and jumped onboard. :p

Is it the most sensible explanation? No. Does it give JR a chance to resume his role on the mic? Yes, and that's what I want. lol I'd also accept Josh Matthews doing it, tired of Cole running his mouth about things he doesn't understand, and holding him down.

That could be, as when Byran was going on his rant on Cole he was calling him a poors man replacement for JR. but that was one of the best angles in wrestling in a couple years imo, and a good way to get heat on all of the rookies this is a good way to make stars not what the did with sheamus and to some extent swagger. Hope they dont mess it up.

[LoganRodzen]

After thinking about it a little more I've come to the conclusion that they could have done all of this building up to a Survivor Series PPV and had a couple of 4 on 4 matches - rookies vs pros.

I think one of the things WWE is going to focus on is the fact that nobody came down to help. No security interfering, announcers were beat down (Fink, Roberts, and King) without anybody helping them, WWE champion (face of the company) was beat down without anybody helping him... not even Evan Bourne, the guy who gave him his big break last week. I can understand nobody helping out Punk because he's heel and the SES was beat down as well, but both SD and RAW rosters were there last night and NOBODY did anything?

I really think that will be a focal point of this storyline. They're united as one alliance (NXT) and showing the entire roster that they can't be defeated because there are strength in numbers. Could be nothing, but it definitely adds to the armbands.

[infinitywpi]

So, random thought...

How many of the Season 2 rookies are in on this?

I think I'll actually watch NXT tonight... so in that aspect, the angle worked.

[-laz-]

ok i just seen the end of RAW and wow im glad i watch 2 hours 45 minutes of rubish for that

[1234]

So, random thought...

How many of the Season 2 rookies are in on this?

I think I'll actually watch NXT tonight... so in that aspect, the angle worked.

Hopefully Kaval & Hennig, they are two i want to go onto something big, and Hennig can use a rant against the wwe trying to change his name to McGillicutty. And Kaval can just Ghetto Stomp everything that moves.

[-laz-]

i hope nxt tonight is 45 minutes of michael cole gettin his ass kicked

[The Final Countdown]

i hope nxt tonight is 45 minutes of michael cole gettin his ass kicked
Some people would probably call that overkill.

I would call it great television.

[MichiganHero]

Some people would probably call that overkill.

I would call it great television.

To quote The Jam
" A kick in the balls/ I say that's entertainment"

[-laz-]

did anyone else notice that as soon as he saw the nxt guys he was outa there

[MichiganHero]

did anyone else notice that as soon as he saw the nxt guys he was outa there

Yeah. He probably runs the group. It would make sense. The abused announcer stands on his own two feet. They could incorporate the semi-feud with Danie Bryan as Cole could slowly twist it and bring in the newer guys. Boom! Bryan vs NXT vs WWE. Bryan could be the new Sting IMO.

[smurphy1014]

And Kaval can just Ghetto Stomp everything that moves.

This. Would. Be. Awesome. :D

[-laz-]

found this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WExGQ0vs5ok&playnext_from=TL&videos=6pmA7_luSjI&feature=sub

i dont know why but i really enjoyed this probally all the rage iv built up at PG WWE i hope wwe dont screw this up like they usually do

[MichiganHero]

Did they attack the camara guy or is it....MICHAEL COLE.

Or is that to wrestlecrappy?

[TheKenwyne]

Have to say I'm not an avid follower of wrestling, I read reports of the events but never really watch them, but after all the smark happiness over this angle I went and looked it up and wow. That. Was. Awesome. Everything just WORKED. From the little flick to Tarver and then the way King goes 'They just got Matt Striker' *THUNK*... and then Punk having a little face moment coming to Cena's aid. They drew out the Cena beating too long IMO, just Barret-Gabriel finisher combo would've been better. Trashing the set was good though. If they'd taken out a planted fan, even better.

I prefer the JR as leader theory to the Cole one. Maybe because I like JR. And not Cole.

[masterded]

My hope? It's Jim Ross. It's an angry, embittered veteran on the mic, tired of the status quo, sick of being used and pushed to the side, a man so filled with rage that his spot was taken by some second class announcer, that he did something about it. He appealed to Barrett's love of money, and these kids who showed flashes of brilliance, telling them about seizing opportunity. And somehow Otunga overheard, and jumped onboard. :p

Best post.

Also must add on to the love for the end of RAW.

[-laz-]

i like the idea of all those little cena fans who believe in all this wwe universe crap were crying as they watched there hero get destroyed

stupid kids...

[LoganRodzen]

i like the idea of all those little cena fans who believe in all this wwe universe crap were crying as they watched there hero get destroyed

stupid kids...

Them panning in the crowd to women and children with sad looks on their faces. Kids yelling "ring the bell!" like that would get them to stop. I thought it looked awesome because Cena was literally destroyed and all of his fans could do nothing to help him.

It was so well done live... the five minute clip on WWE.come doesn't do the segment justice. After watching the segment again I noticed fans chanting "NXT! NXT! NXT!" and that's pretty darn catchy. I really like the talk of this being an NWO of young guns.

[-laz-]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/-Laz-/vlcsnap-2010-06-08-23h42m45s116.png

squeel bitch

[GDE71]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/-Laz-/vlcsnap-2010-06-08-23h42m45s116.png

squeel bitch

I don't know if he ever got his fingers in there. Mr. Danielson sure choked him good.

[LoganRodzen]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v194/-Laz-/vlcsnap-2010-06-08-23h42m45s116.png

squeel bitch

Seeing that happen brought the whole segment to life for me. It just felt real because before he put his finger in the loop of his tie to take the pressure off... it seemed like Danielson was legit choking him out.

[-laz-]

looks like hes thinking

"Stop filming this and hit him with the bloody CAMERA!"

[SaySo]

If that was Orton, Daniel Bryan will be out of a job. Then maybe WWE can sign that other fella, Bryan Danielson.

[BHK1978]

i like the idea of all those little cena fans who believe in all this wwe universe crap were crying as they watched there hero get destroyed

stupid kids...

How old are you laz? Were you old enough to see Andre beat down Hulk? I mean as a little kid at that time I reacted that same way as these kids did. Granted I don't think I cried but I remember I was sad that Andre turned on Hulk.

[-laz-]

im 25

[BHK1978]

im 25

My point being that to them this was very much real. Yes to us it is funny to see Cena get beat up (all though I actually like Cena), but to those kids it is real. Now I have no idea why the women were crying unless they were plants.

[alden]

I think they were plants......but i have not "bought" into a angle like this in a very long time!

felt very real.......and the pic shown is when i thought was cole.

[Prophet]

The only part of that whole sequence that makes me sad is missing the Punch Line. At one point, just after Sheffield flipped the announce table, I think, Cena had staggered to his feet, and Tarver laid him out in 1.9 second flat. He finally unleashed the ko punch, and we missed it.

[SeanMcFly]

Wow... That was just... Wow. I actually bought into that segment. It was really quite well done.

[Astil]

Man, poor Justin Roberts. I thought they were gonna break that little guy. lol

The ending was awesome. I saw Barrett, and remembered the earlier promo about "asking again next week" and thought "huh, Barrett's going for Cena off the bat? All right, I guess." Then Cole did his panicked little girl routine, and they quick-shot Tarver, and I got a little giddy. The total decimation of the flagship show was really well done.

And Barrett does seem to be the head of the crew, but my guess is there will be a mastermind. Is it Cole? Possible, since he seemed to run off before anything went down, leaving King to be beaten down.

Is it McMahon? Also possible, since they did destroy Bret Hart's show, after last week's speech about "tough decisions."

My hope? It's Jim Ross. It's an angry, embittered veteran on the mic, tired of the status quo, sick of being used and pushed to the side, a man so filled with rage that his spot was taken by some second class announcer, that he did something about it. He appealed to Barrett's love of money, and these kids who showed flashes of brilliance, telling them about seizing opportunity. And somehow Otunga overheard, and jumped onboard. :p

Is it the most sensible explanation? No. Does it give JR a chance to resume his role on the mic? Yes, and that's what I want. lol I'd also accept Josh Matthews doing it, tired of Cole running his mouth about things he doesn't understand, and holding him down.

Personally, I'd like it to be McMahon... McMahon and the rookies vs Bret Hart and John Cena with possible Orton/HHH/CM Punk additions. Sign me up.

[-laz-]

i hope they trash there stupid nxt names and gimmicks and become more serious

[BHK1978]

i hope they trash there stupid nxt names and gimmicks and become more serious

I agree, I mean the Hennig name in and of itself should sell Joe Hennig. Instead they give him this dumb name.

[-laz-]

I agree, I mean the Hennig name in and of itself should sell Joe Hennig. Instead they give him this dumb name.
they have been hinting at this with bryan danielson

[Stennick]

they have been hinting at this with bryan danielson

For a week or two but the last three weeks he hasn't said three words about it. Honestly people thinking they gave them these names just to trash them are dreaming. Their keeping their names all of them.

[-laz-]

check it out its the woman from the front row :D

http://images.tribe.net/tribe/upload/photo/f60/6ad/f606ad58-47f5-4488-8254-722341a4b726

[The Celt]

You've got to give LayCool props tonight, they look F'N amazing tonight.

[alden]

ok.............so i watched show........hmmmmmmmm not sure. How are they going to be able to handle it now? i mean............

[Stennick]

I haven't watched so thanks for not going into detail :)

[alden]

I haven't watched so thanks for not going into detail :)

its another show that is all about the end i guess.

[StudioStu]

I'm going to have to echo the many comments here and also agree that the ending was brilliant. I completely bought into it, very well done. I am a little nervous that they're going to botch this great opportunity, though. How would you handle it from here?

[alden]

Well i would have barret lead the group.......and basicly just do what they are doing. Eight guys who are going to be the future of the company dominating everyone with gang attacks. Basicly nwo *yes i know i know*. Them destroying the area was very good.....the choke out on roberts was great *that is something nwo never did so ha*. They need to be very very carefull though. Don't add the new nxt guys........eight is enough.......maybe even a little to many. they need to have atleast one tag team out of this......my hope is danials and gabrial. And this is the big one......barret needs to win the title. It does not have to be clean but he needs the title and he needs to hold onto it for a while. The other "rookes" need to protect each other as much as possible........they can loose but if they do it should be dq only. It will lead to an epic wwe vs nxt battle and nxt needs to look strong during it.

[cbhcbh]

... It was done with some surprising subtlety too by WWE standards.

I mean on some other message boards I hear people kvetching because they don't know why they attacked Cena...

I'm loving this and I'm so hoping WWE doesn't mess it up.

#1. I was very pleased with the subtlety. The hush-job effect of not having brazen loudmouth announcers telling you what to think was very smart.

#2. That's why I like the GDS forum - pro wrestling fans with a moderately high average IQ.

#3. Well, in my opinion, I think they messed up because it felt like they were burying the new guys with the NXT Pros beat-down ending. It was sickly too reminiscent of the Invasion flop.

Totally unexpected and it created a buzz. Now comes the hard part : the follow-up. There's ton of potentiel, it can be entertaining, heck we all want it to be, but it can also bomb hard. Let's hope it leads somewhere meaningful and that it's not just another angle we'll have forgotten in 4 months.

...or worse, it becomes more and more like the squandered potential of the Invasion flop. I was so disappointed because the WCW/ECW Invasion could have been so much better, if not for pride.

[alden]

I am assuming most have not seen the nxt show yet so that is why i did not give my views on the next "step in the storyline" in tew terms lol. I will wait a little before i voice my views on it. Plus i have to figure out exactuly how i fell about it lol