The Official WWE Discussion Thread *May Contain Spoilers*

[TrekkieMonsta]

The whole Danielson makes me a bit annoyed, but if he did get himself fired due to doing something violent on TV, it's sadly his own fault :(

[wilts]

Question; if Danielson was legit fired and he doesn't have a 90 day clause (they don't if fired do they) then if you were TNA how much money would you throw at him to get him at Slammiversary tonight?

[-laz-]

Spoilers Highlight to view

WWE has trademarked the term "The Network." this could be what the "N" on the nXt rookies armbands stands for

[MichiganHero]

Spoilers Highlight to view

WWE has trademarked the term "The Network." this could be what the "N" on the nXt rookies armbands stands for

Maybe Don Callis is the leader of NXT.

[-laz-]

i think joey styles

[Hyde Hill]

Or it is for the WWE Network The Network! You know that E channel they are exploring.

[Hyde Hill]

Question; if Danielson was legit fired and he doesn't have a 90 day clause (they don't if fired do they) then if you were TNA how much money would you throw at him to get him at Slammiversary tonight?

Nope fired is also 90 days, see Anderson Anderson, Ken. Depends on the contract etc but generally is always 90 days.

[wilts]

damn it. was hoping for TNA and Bryan to capitalize on this if it is a legit firing...

[Hyde Hill]

They will but in 3 months unless they have the balls to challenge that rule. But as it is a paid 90 days and are allowed to do non tv or ppv events no real reason to do it as a performer.

[MichiganHero]

They will but in 3 months unless they have the balls to challenge that rule. But as it is a paid 90 days no real reason to do it as a performer.

I could see a bypass to the clause if TNA are smart. Here goes

Have a mysterious character show up at Slammaversary. End of the show, said mystery person locks in say The Cattle Mutilation. Boom Danielson appears. TNA probably have the money to challenge the rule. WWE are feared in case some of their cast-offs will make it.

However, almost everyone and their dead giraffe knows this thing reeks of work.

[MightyDavidson]

That helps prove it IS a work. If he was "never a part of the company," why would they announce he is released?

Because they actually fired him? As in: in kayfabe he's not part of the company so the announcement of his release couldn't possibly be kayfabe?

[-laz-]

why cant tna debut a mysterious masked character known as american dragon

[Hyde Hill]

Yep they could have Kiyoshi or someone else play it for a while, or bring back Suicide and have him unmask as Danielson lolz. I was with TNA all along!!!!!

[MightyDavidson]

The whole Danielson makes me a bit annoyed, but if he did get himself fired due to doing something violent on TV, it's sadly his own fault :(

No it's not, because he was told by his employer to do that violent thing on TV. Thus it's his employer's fault for telling him to do it.

[-laz-]

heres something very interesting iv found on the WWE Corperate website they havent got anything about Danielsons release but they do have carlitos, maby wwe are now using wwe.com as an extension of there tv shows and all real wwe news will be at there corperate website

http://corporate.wwe.com/news/releases_2010.jsp

[MightyDavidson]

heres something very interesting iv found on the WWE Corperate website they havent got anything about Danielsons release but they do have carlitos, maby wwe are now using wwe.com as an extension of there tv shows and all real wwe news will be at there corperate website

http://corporate.wwe.com/news/releases_2010.jsp

Doesn't really mean anything, as they're only required to announce firings related to wellness issues.

[-laz-]

heres an idea what if suicide returns tonight at slammiversery but is actually danielson wwe would have no way of proving its him due to it being a full body suit

[GDE71]

I'm going to DVR Raw Monday. That way I don't waste two hours on this angle, I can just fast forward thru the show and only watch the angle.

[-laz-]

found this

Virtually no wrestlers, reporters or fans would be shocked if Bryan Danielson showed up on RAW this Monday, but as of press time, the going word is that his WWE release Friday was, in fact, legitimate.

As was noted early Saturday morning on Prowrestling.com, the actual story going around is that Danielson was fired in response to the scene on Monday’s RAW in which he graphically choked out announcer Justin Roberts with his tie (a scene which was edited from later re-airings of the Invasion angle). While no one is doubting that there were other people responsible for the image–Roberts for making the cartoon-like face, the cameraman for capturing the action and the directors and producers that let the image hit the air–the word, according to F4WOnline.com, is that a very influential entity with a connection to WWE (believed to be a sponsor, affiliate or business partner) complained and that someone had to be the scapegoat.

Similarly, there is not necessarily any rationale being given for why Danielson, specifically, got in trouble for a scene that hardly ranks as WWE’s most violent or offensive of all time–it simply came down to the reality that Danielson’s actions were the ones that angered someone in a position of power.

There have been loose reports that Danielson broke a “no visual strangulation” rule that was put in place after the Chris Benoit tragedy, but it is not clear that the entity responsible for the complaint was actively thinking about Benoit at the time. Further, because this would not be the first time someone’s in-ring actions have created a connection to Benoit (Shawn Michaels, for instance, used the crippler crossface on television long after the assumed Benoit double-murder-suicide), it is not certain that the connection, alone, could get someone fired in 2010.

There has been no indication that WWE officials are holding Danielson in serious contempt; F4WOnline.com sources, in fact, say he was given the impression that the door would be open for a return down the road once everything blows over. Both the WWE executive rank and independent wrestling promotions have, however, been told he will become a free agent once his non-compete expires, so it does not seem that, at least as of press time, WWE anticipates the “cooling off” period being a week or two.

Of course, there still exists the small possibility that the release story is an elaborate work or that WWE will quickly rethink its decision and turn the release into a work. But if it is, it would mean that WWE is also working some of its most influential employees in the process, as multiple sources all maintain that some of WWE’s most senior individuals, in addition to the creative team, were assured he was gone.

[LoganRodzen]

Well, I decided to sleep on the whole Danielson thing and come back with a different outlook. The more I think about it and the more I look at it from different angles... I'm starting to believe he truly was fired Friday. All this time I was thinking it couldn't be possible because Vinnie Mac had to approve what happened and he was said to be ecstatic about the angle. After seeing people talk about him getting fired "without a contract" since he didn't win NXT, the more I believe he actually was fired. He didn't win NXT so he wouldn't be under contract in the angle and therefore the release can't be part of the angle.

It has to be because of Linda's campaign and someone outside of the WWE who complained big time. It's actually really disappointing now that I'm realizing the worst.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

So basically that was a big pile of nothing.

[-laz-]

i really dont think wwe writers have the intelligence to put this kinda thing together

[wilts]

And just think, this from a company that gave us Katie Vick, people being set on fire, someone being runover, and many more similar angles...

[Linsolv]

I don't think they're unintelligent. I suspect they've been writing under pretty heavy restrictions due to the whole McMahon campaign.

[-laz-]

how much money do you wanna bet that this wouldnt have happend if triple h, john cena or randy orton had choked that crappy anouncer

[Linsolv]

I dunno. I can't really compare.

Can we have Danielson crap in a diva's handbag so we can find out the rough comparison?

[TheEdgeOfReason]

how much money do you wanna bet that this wouldnt have happend if triple h, john cena or randy orton had choked that crappy anouncer

Of course it wouldn't. There is a huge difference between those guys and Danielson. If Danielson had done this in a year or two, when he would have been established at or near the top of the card, he wouldn't have been fired either.

[wilts]

I can't help but think, if it is to do with the PG image, etc, then why exactly is it a problem?
My understanding is that RAW is shown after the watershed, so the kids shouldn't be watching at that time anyway, and if they are then it is the parents responsibility rather than the TV network/show. They can then edit it out of any replays (as they have done) which the kids then watch.

[LoganRodzen]

I dunno. I can't really compare.

Can we have Danielson crap in a diva's handbag so we can find out the rough comparison?

I don't remember who the chick was, but she went on record to say that it was only baby oil and other lotions she already had in the bag - he just dumped it all in. I guess he apologized to her about it too. Randy Orton had the personality of Jay Chord before he got married and had a kid.

[-laz-]

i wonder how many daniel bryan signs wwe will take of fans at raw

[The Final Countdown]

i wonder how many daniel bryan signs wwe will take of fans at raw
Eh, probably not that many. The average WWE fan hasn't seen enough of the guy to be very upset with his firing.

[The Celt]

Eh, probably not that many. The average WWE fan hasn't seen enough of the guy to be very upset with his firing.

Oh, one can dream...

Michael Cole: As of friday, Daniel Bryan has been released from the WWE for his part in the VINTAGE assault on John Cena!

Crowd: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/Aidanbro111/nxtshockedrawfans.gif

[-laz-]

Oh, one can dream...

Michael Cole: As of friday, Daniel Bryan has been released from the WWE for his part in the VINTAGE assault on John Cena!

Crowd: http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o291/Aidanbro111/nxtshockedrawfans.gif
i bet that bitch is the outside source that complained

[The Celt]

You mean that lady dog :rolleyes: -laz-, but no, it was someone of power, not a random crowd mark who paid to see the show.

[-laz-]

saw this in someones sig at ROH forums i think this might be why he got fired cena went crying to vinny mac :D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f167/penterhouse/ebw2/danielson-spits-in-cena-s-face-o.gif

[alden]

I am still willing to bet money that it is a work...........he is not going to show up on raw......or anything till bennet takes on cena for the title.

[Candyman]

i really dont think wwe writers have the intelligence to put this kinda thing together

And just think, this from a company that gave us Katie Vick, people being set on fire, someone being runover, and many more similar angles...

...and the company that gave us the HBK/Undertaker fued, the Triple H/Randy Orton buildup to Wrestlemania, the Edge/Matt Hardy fued(this is the important one, remember how many people thought Hardy attacking Edge was a shoot)...you name me 5 bad angles/storylines, and I'll give you 50 good to great ones. The idea that the WWE writers somehow aren't the best in the world at what they do(seriously, just watch TNA if you think WWE writers are bad), or are suddenly incapable of brilliance, is ridiculous.

I am still willing to bet money that it is a work...........he is not going to show up on raw......or anything till bennet takes on cena for the title.

Yep. They're putting so much work into making people buy it(even letting Bryan do indy bookings, as of the latest reports), it's setting up for a huge return. I've yet to see even the slightest hint of evidence that this is legit.

[alden]

lol yeah because they have never let roh use the wwe in an angle or anything before right?

Mr. punk would like to say hello.

[sebsy]

I am still willing to bet money that it is a work...........he is not going to show up on raw......or anything till bennet takes on cena for the title.

Bennet? :D

[The Final Countdown]

One of the biggest reasons I still think this could be a work is the recent change where they now have their guys remain "in character" on Twitter. To me, that suggests an effort to maintain kayfabe even on the Net, something they never seemed to be concerned with before. I've read Meltzer say it wouldn't make sense for this to be a work, since they'd be "working" the higher ups in the company as well...but who says they aren't in on it?

[-laz-]

i wouldnt put it passed wwe to change who the masked guy is in SES to daniel bryan danielson

[jhd1]

One of the biggest reasons I still think this could be a work is the recent change where they now have their guys remain "in character" on Twitter. To me, that suggests an effort to maintain kayfabe even on the Net, something they never seemed to be concerned with before. I've read Meltzer say it wouldn't make sense for this to be a work, since they'd be "working" the higher ups in the company as well...but who says they aren't in on it?

I agree. Every time I read this argument it just doesn't make sense to me. Regardless of whether this is a work or not (I've change my mind about 16 times), what possible difference does it make if the 'higher-ups' said they knew about it? It seems to me that if you're going to pull off a work of this magnitude, then you'd have cover all bases including anyone who might possibly be asked the question.

[Slim Jim]

Anyone else think Vince McMahon wouldn't give a flying flip about "higher-ups"? In relation to him, they aren't higher-ups, they're lower-downs.

[-laz-]

I agree. Every time I read this argument it just doesn't make sense to me. Regardless of whether this is a work or not (I've change my mind about 16 times), what possible difference does it make if the 'higher-ups' said they knew about it? It seems to me that if you're going to pull off a work of this magnitude, then you'd have cover all bases including anyone who might possibly be asked the question.
youv also gotta think of it from wwe's point of view he's barely been in wwe 6 months if someone needs to be a scapegoat he is a perfect choice i just hope it is a work

[eayragt]

No it's not, because he was told by his employer to do that violent thing on TV. Thus it's his employer's fault for telling him to do it.

Really? I mean, did WWE really tell Danielson to strangle someone realistically? Or spit in someone's face? Maybe they did, but I find that extremely unlikely.

heres an idea what if suicide returns tonight at slammiversery but is actually danielson wwe would have no way of proving its him due to it being a full body suit

I'm sure WWE could get a court order find out. Not that that's going to happen.

[The Shape]

Really? I mean, did WWE really tell Danielson to strangle someone realistically? Or spit in someone's face? Maybe they did, but I find that extremely unlikely.


I think they'll have told them to be honest, he would't go that far if he wasn't told to, he's not stupid.

That doesn't influence my view of whether it's a work as they could easily do that then fire him anyway, but still.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Really? I mean, did WWE really tell Danielson to strangle someone realistically? Or spit in someone's face? Maybe they did, but I find that extremely unlikely.



I'm sure WWE could get a court order find out. Not that that's going to happen.

I'm pretty sure he was told to spit in Cena's face. At the very least he would have spoken to Cena about it before hand. You don't spit in a guys face unless he is aware I'd say. Cena easily could have slugged him otherwise. The choke could have been a spur of the moment thing, or he could have been told to do it.

WWE could pretty easily find out if he did play Suicide tonight.

[The Final Countdown]

Who knows with the strangling, but why do you find it extremely unlikely that they would tell him to spit in Cena's face? As someone mentioned, spitting on someone was a big part of an angle in this company, what, 2-3 months ago?

[tad091]

I know this is one of my first posts, but highlight below for possible spoilers.

Despite the fact that the NXT Season 1 rookies were all portrayed as heels on Monday’s RAW during the NXT invasion, Justin Gabriel wrestled at Thursday’s FCW tapings as a babyface and did not wear his NXT black armband. David Otunga wrestled on the same show, worked as a heel and wore the black & yellow “N” armband the NXT crew wore on RAW.

Credit - Wrestling Observer Newsletter & SESCOOPS

[dvdWarrior]

Danielson just Tweeted:

Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak.

Not sure what that might mean.

:)

[TheOmniWarrior]

Danielson tweeted just a second ago
bryandanielson

Biding my time, waiting for the right moment to speak.
EDIT:
Ya beat me to it

[-laz-]

it means he forgot his

[The Final Countdown]

Sure, Dragon...just keep toying with us. :cool:

[-laz-]

ok if the release is real and if he has signed with tna why cant he be in the front row as part of the audiance of slamiversery it would be a clever way of tna saying look who we signed with out saying anything

[crownsy]

saw this in someones sig at ROH forums i think this might be why he got fired cena went crying to vinny mac :D

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f167/penterhouse/ebw2/danielson-spits-in-cena-s-face-o.gif

Come on now. Whatever you think of Cena the on screen persona, he's not going to get a guy fired over that.

In addition, do you REALLY think that he randomly spit in the number one face's errr...face without telling him first? get real.

The "some important sponser complained about the chocking angle and threatened to pull it's contract if Bryan wasen't let go" is the ONLY rumor that makes sense. The choke was pretty viscreal and looked very "real"

I'm still not convinced this isn't a work. It just seems to me that if bryan was truly fired, given how vocal he has been on twitter in the past and no longer being a WWE employee, he'd do more than tweet Wade barret's catch phrase.

Also, given how every report from backstage is that Vince is very, very high on barret and Danielson, I find it hard to believe he just randomly fired a guy who is instrmental to an angle that got his company more exposer and generated more buzz than anything in the last year or so.

Vince isn't that stupid, therefore I think:

1. It's a legit firing to appease a high money sponsor who threatened to pull there sponsorship, but bryan was made well aware that it's temporary release to get the heat off Vince's back and has been told that in 3-6 months or so, he'll be rehired and his firing will be worked in storyline. (if this is the case, I assume he is going to get a very nice "severance" package on the condition he not work for a major competitor before his rehiring.)

That would explain why he's seemed unconcerned and hasen't taken any shots at the WWE. He knows he has a job and push waiting for him once snickers or slim jim, or whoever it is, backs off. And, that sort of "wink wink" firing and rehiring has been done before.

2. It's a work, and the WWE employee's most of whom are the sources for these rumor sites, have been told to say it's legit by Vince to keep the IWC guessing.


I can see either of the above being true, though i hope it's 2 so that they can work it into the barret storyline more smoothly.

[alden]

isen't justin roberts a trained wrestler? I mean......i thought he has done indy work before?

[dvdWarrior]

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f167/penterhouse/ebw2/danielson-spits-in-cena-s-face-o.gif

Bryan Danielson spits in the face....


Of people who don't want to be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What?


:p

[TheEdgeOfReason]

ok if the release is real and if he has signed with tna why cant he be in the front row as part of the audiance of slamiversery it would be a clever way of tna saying look who we signed with out saying anything

I don't think he is allowed to appear on tv(for a wrestling company). So even if he just sat in the front row and nothing more, that could be a violation.

[-laz-]

I don't think he is allowed to appear on tv(for a wrestling company). So even if he just sat in the front row and nothing more, that could be a violation.
not if he hasnt signed and is just going to see a wrestling show

Originally Posted by dvdWarrior


Bryan Danielson spits in the face....


Of people who don't want to be cool!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


What?

more like daniel bryan spits in the face of people who cant wrestle

[The Final Countdown]

more like daniel bryan spits in the face of people who cant wrestle
...shouldn't he have turned and spit at Otunga, then?

[-laz-]

...shouldn't he have turned and spit at Otunga, then?
he was scared of his wife :D

[eayragt]

Really? I mean, did WWE really tell Danielson to strangle someone realistically? Or spit in someone's face? Maybe they did, but I find that extremely unlikely.


I think they'll have told them to be honest, he would't go that far if he wasn't told to, he's not stupid.

That doesn't influence my view of whether it's a work as they could easily do that then fire him anyway, but still.

I'm pretty sure he was told to spit in Cena's face. At the very least he would have spoken to Cena about it before hand. You don't spit in a guys face unless he is aware I'd say. Cena easily could have slugged him otherwise. The choke could have been a spur of the moment thing, or he could have been told to do it.


Yeah, sorry, I should have said "if he's been fired, do you really think..."

If he isn't fired it's a non-issue.

If he was fired for something he was told to do... the wrong person's been fired.

So I have to believe either a) he's not fired (which I've gone from being 99% sure of to 60% sure of), or b) be overstepped the instructions given. I think c) he was told to realistically strangle Roberts / spit in Cena's face and then he got sacked for realistically strangling Roberts / spitting in Cena's face just isn't possible.

And you can probably cut out the spit. I'd be hugely suprised if Danielson spat in Cena's face without actually clearing it was Cena or someone else first.

[Slim Jim]

He knows he has a job and push waiting for him once snickers or slim jim, or whoever it is, backs off.

Don't you try and pin this on me :(

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I could see it being completely possible that he got fired for doing what he was told. If a sponsor threaten to pull the plug, then firing Danielson is the most visible way to appease. If legit, he was probably given assurances that he would be rehired and rewarded(money, push) for being a team player and agreeing to be the scapegoat.

[GatorBait19]

Take it for what it's worth, but I just saw an ad for Raw in Daytona and they announced the ME was Cena vs Sheamus for Sheamus HW title

[-laz-]

Take it for what it's worth, but I just saw an ad for Raw in Daytona and they announced the ME was Cena vs Sheamus for Sheamus HW title
is that before or after ppv cos if its after i hope sheamus is wwe champ

[GatorBait19]

is that before or after ppv cos if its after i hope sheamus is wwe champ

it is set for July 31

[-laz-]

it is set for July 31
Come on Sheamus! but knowing wwe cena will retain

[Hyde Hill]

heres an idea what if suicide returns tonight at slammiversery but is actually danielson wwe would have no way of proving its him due to it being a full body suit

Kinda what I was getting at but yeah would be cool.

[-laz-]

Kinda what I was getting at but yeah would be cool.
if that were to happen it would be great if suicide was wearing a tie

[Slagaholic]

if that were to happen it would be great if suicide was wearing a tie

Hahaha

[-laz-]

Creative was rewriting RAW yesterday. It wasn't only the NXT angle that needed to be changed, several other storylines were being rewritten.

i think its definitly legit they wouldnt make them rewrite raw twice for a work

[The Shape]

i think its definitly legit they wouldnt make them rewrite raw twice for a work

First of all it's unlikely danielson was featured in these several other storylines.

Secondly most of where this stuff comes from is bull****.

I hope.

[Linsolv]

i think its definitly legit they wouldnt make them rewrite raw twice for a work

Okay. For the record. We're assuming that they MIGHT be lying about it being legit, but they totally wouldn't lie about whether or not they were rewriting the storylines?

[-laz-]

one thing i dont understand is why is danielson still following wwe pages on twitter he just updated it tonight so it isnt abandoned

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Maybe he just doesn't care and didn't want to go to the bother of unfollowing them.

[-laz-]

Maybe he just doesn't care and didn't want to go to the bother of unfollowing them.
if a company fired me for doing my job i would want to cut all ties with them

[TheEdgeOfReason]

if a company fired me for doing my job i would want to cut all ties with them

and? I know I wouldn't. then again I have no interest in twitter in the first place. Anyway, the word has been that he will get hired back if he is fired. So obviously he isn't in a bitter place.

[wilts]

Exactly what I said a few pages back. Not only cutting all ties, but if it is a legit firing he would surely know that by still following them, people will think it is a work.
I am not saying he needs to do anything silly, because lets face it, the 'E is a good paycheck that he may want/need in the future.

[wilts]

Anyway, the word has been that he will get hired back if he is fired. So obviously he isn't in a bitter place.
This has just made me realise exactly how ridiculous this conversation is. Not only are we speculating whether it is a work or not, but we are then speculating on what may happen after we find out the results of our first speculation. After all of that speculating, we are then stating how Bryan is feeling.

DAMN!

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Maybe he wants people to think its a work. That will keep in him in the spotlight for another while as people will be waiting for him to show up again.

Or maybe he never considered that, because its such a minute reason to believe its a work.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

Yeah, we are reading way too far into it. Danielson himself hasn't though about it this much I'd say lol.

Its like a game of Mafia in here.

[Linsolv]

Here's a silly thought. I seem to recall that in fact, they cut to Bryan after he started doing the choke, and then cut away before he released it. Even if RAW is live, that's a clear sign of wanting to show that visual, which points right at the choke being scripted.

EDIT: Okay, re-watched. He was setting up for the choke: was tightening the tie and getting behind Roberts when the director declared "Okay go to camera 2" or whatever. You can clearly see that it's not a matter of turning around, they switched to another camera, and Danielson is locking in the choke. If it's not scripted, then that director really hates the American Dragon.

[Hyde Hill]

Or the director was not aware of the rule/ thought Linda or a sponsor would get pissy and thought it was a good visual witch it was. Still stop over thinking this people we will know in 90 days or sooner.

[infinitywpi]

The choke did stand out in my mind as the most brutal part of the whole thing... I'm not surprised someone complained. Pity... I was really looking forward to Bryan/Cena.

Ah, well. Five bucks says part of Wade Barret's speech Monday night involves how WWE is scared of them; they had Bryan arrested for assault on a non-wrestler... or something like that. Iff they give a reason he's not there, then they're looking ot bring him back. If they don't mention him at all, he's gone for good.

[Candyman]

The choke did stand out in my mind as the most brutal part of the whole thing... I'm not surprised someone complained. Pity... I was really looking forward to Bryan/Cena.

Ah, well. Five bucks says part of Wade Barret's speech Monday night involves how WWE is scared of them; they had Bryan arrested for assault on a non-wrestler... or something like that. Iff they give a reason he's not there, then they're looking ot bring him back. If they don't mention him at all, he's gone for good.

Yeah, if they mention his release on air we'll know it's 100% work. I'm sure they won't though, because they know that. It'll be interesting to see where this is going.

[smurphy1014]

Cena just posted the following on his Twitter account within the last hour (link is below):

“I am very upset to hear about the release of Bryan Danielson. Social networks were formed so people would have a voice, and an opinion. I know you all have your own, theories and whatnot. I respect that. I have never asked any of you to feel a certain way about me. But Bryan left a lasting impression on the WWE universe in a very short time, and although it came at my expense, I agree with the majority of you who are caught off guard by this choice. I know I’m not exactly appreciated by all, nor do I care to be, but I believe what I believe. I would like Bryan to come back to the WWE. I would like to sign your petition to bring him back. I was taught to stand up for what I believe in. I tried and failed, so I could use some help. Tell me how to sign and I will. If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done. I know that seems a bit more fair. Give me a chance to have a fair match with him, and give him yet another chance to prove that he does belong with us. Sorry for the long message, I know I am probably way out of line, I am sorry if I have offended anyone. But like me or not that is what Hustle. Loyalty. And most importantly Respect means to me. Enjoy game 5.”


http://twitter.com/WWEJCena

[crownsy]

Cena just posted the following on his Twitter account within the last hour (link is below):

“I am very upset to hear about the release of Bryan Danielson. Social networks were formed so people would have a voice, and an opinion. I know you all have your own, theories and whatnot. I respect that. I have never asked any of you to feel a certain way about me. But Bryan left a lasting impression on the WWE universe in a very short time, and although it came at my expense, I agree with the majority of you who are caught off guard by this choice. I know I’m not exactly appreciated by all, nor do I care to be, but I believe what I believe. I would like Bryan to come back to the WWE. I would like to sign your petition to bring him back. I was taught to stand up for what I believe in. I tried and failed, so I could use some help. Tell me how to sign and I will. If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done. I know that seems a bit more fair. Give me a chance to have a fair match with him, and give him yet another chance to prove that he does belong with us. Sorry for the long message, I know I am probably way out of line, I am sorry if I have offended anyone. But like me or not that is what Hustle. Loyalty. And most importantly Respect means to me. Enjoy game 5.”


http://twitter.com/WWEJCena

If your into speculation, that lends credence to it being a work.

Hard to imagine Cena goes essentially anti-company on a company twitter account without a reason.

EDIT: also notice, again if your bored and want to engage in pointless speculation, that he says "one match" a few times.

Hired for one night angle?

[The Shape]

Lends credance? **** that, it all but confirms it. This has really put my mind at ease :D

[Linsolv]

Yeah. That sounds like a "Match for a contract" stip in a month or two.

EDIT: Unless, I mean... maybe Cena's been working for the E so long now, everything he says sounds like a work. I dunno. I've never met him.

[LoganRodzen]

In an odd way I wish it was all true and Cena was anti-WWE because he truly liked Danielson backstage or something. It would actually change my opinion of him. But yeah, it feels 100% like a work now that Cena has referenced it.

[fatallylost]

Don't you try and pin this on me :(

We all know what you did son. Fess up!

[Comradebot]

Is it possible that maybe, just maybe, John Cena, being the stand-up guy he legitimately seems to be is just truthfully speaking his mind over something that upset him?

Totally possible the entire locker room feels this way about the situation, and if ANYONE can get away with saying something about it to the public it'd be Cena. He might as well be bulletproof, given how much the company relies on him to draw.

[MightyDavidson]

Lends credance? **** that, it all but confirms it. This has really put my mind at ease :D

The twitter that makes no sense according to the storyline they had running prior to Danielson's firing confirms it's a work? No I really don't think so. If it were a work, Cena wouldn't really be treating the man who spat in his face and kicked his head in with respect now would he?

No he'd be demanding Danielson's return so that he could get revenge for what Danielson did to him.

Besides, if Randy Orton can get away with wellness violations and trashing a hotel room, Cena can easily get away with disagreeing with a single firing.

[Linsolv]

Except that Cena's character is that he's INFINITELY nice, and ALWAYS wants to settle it in the ring. Those tweets were, if not in character, 100% in line with his character.

[smurphy1014]

Besides, if Randy Orton can get away with wellness violations and trashing a hotel room

That hotel room had it coming. :D

[Slagaholic]

Except that Cena's character is that he's INFINITELY nice, and ALWAYS wants to settle it in the ring. Those tweets were, if not in character, 100% in line with his character.

Yep. If you think that's how the real John Cena would have given a shoot response to this situation, you've got another thing comin'.

[Linsolv]

Also, if Cena were just Jim Cornette going on a shoot spree, why on EARTH would be hint at a match?

[MightyDavidson]

Except that Cena's character is that he's INFINITELY nice, and ALWAYS wants to settle it in the ring. Those tweets were, if not in character, 100% in line with his character.

Really? Because he sure wasn't telling everybody how much he respected Randy Orton when they were feuding together. When he gets pounded by a heel he always challenges them to a match of some kind. He doesn't politely explain what respect he has for the guy who tried to lay him out.

[Slagaholic]

"If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done. I know that seems a bit more fair. Give me a chance to have a fair match with him, and give him yet another chance to prove that he does belong with us."

You're right. My Shoot Comment Alarm is a-blaring!

Call RF Video!

Cena's speaking out!

[MightyDavidson]

Yep. If you think that's how the real John Cena would have given a shoot response to this situation, you've got another thing comin'.

Right, because you know John Cena so very well. :rolleyes:

Seriously, if that's a worked response to the angle then it's the absolute WUSSIEST response he could've given. It makes him sound like somebody who's afraid he's gonna get his head kicked in again, not the tough faux Marine who keeps fighting no matter what the odds.

No, if Cena were 'working' his comments he'd be showing anger due to the attack and possibly not being able to get his revenge.

[Linsolv]

@Slagaholic: I can't help but have this niggling feeling that you're not being 100% direct.

@Davidson: What are you talking about? Cena's formula doesn't jump to indignant rage until he gets beaten down at LEAST twice, and even then it's usually after they declare that he's a paper champion.

[Slagaholic]

Don't you dare attempt to smear the reputation of the Shoot Comment Alarm. I spent $400 on this thing. It's Titan Sports' top of the line!

[MightyDavidson]

"If for nothing else, to at least have a chance to have a match with him after what was done. I know that seems a bit more fair. Give me a chance to have a fair match with him, and give him yet another chance to prove that he does belong with us."

You're right. My Shoot Comment Alarm is a-blaring!

Call RF Video!

Cena's speaking out!

Yes because it's absolutely impossible that Cena would have an out of character desire to work a match with somebody he clearly respects or anything. :rolleyes:

[Linsolv]

Yes because it's absolutely impossible that Cena would have an out of character desire to work a match with somebody he clearly respects or anything. :rolleyes:

He said "Fair." Why would he be shooting, to request an MMA match? If it's a wrestling match, it's a work; if it's a work, it's not fair, because it's scripted.

[MightyDavidson]

@Slagaholic: I can't help but have this niggling feeling that you're not being 100% direct.

@Davidson: What are you talking about? Cena's formula doesn't jump to indignant rage until he gets beaten down at LEAST twice, and even then it's usually after they declare that he's a paper champion.

Yes but most beatdowns don't involve him being spat in the face and stretchered out, after numerous innocent bystanders were pummelled for no reason. I think unprovoked attacks on non-wrestlers might spark the indignant rage within him.

[Slagaholic]

You're right. I had a conversation with a few local indie wrestlers in my area. They kept talking about the importance of fairness when working a match. You're spot on.

Why are you treating me like I disagree with you? You've pointed out the error in my ways. I'm on your side bro.

[crownsy]

Except that Cena's character is that he's INFINITELY nice, and ALWAYS wants to settle it in the ring. Those tweets were, if not in character, 100% in line with his character.

And he pretty much said that despite what he did he wanted a fair shot at him. whats out of character for super cena about that?

he always wants to settle everything in the ring with a fair fight.

[MightyDavidson]

And he pretty much said that despite what he did he wanted a fair shot at him. whats out of character for super cena about that?

he always wants to settle everything in the ring with a fair fight.

If I have to explain what's out of character when Cena makes nicey nice with a guy who openly disrespected him and beat him sensless for several minutes after attacking several non-combatants, then I have a feeling I'm never going to get my point across. :rolleyes:

[Slagaholic]

You're avoiding the point of him using of the word "fair" in a shoot to describe working with Danielson. Give us an answer so that I may agree with it.

[Moe Hunter]

Why would in-character Cena do his fake-furious mode on TWITTER, talking to the fans? Of course he's going to be in his "opening part of the promo" mode, where he's all humble and nice. He's not in the ring, about to take off his shirt, flex and demand that someone comes out and faces him like a man.

He just wants to sign a petition, as if:

a) he doesn't know how to sign a petition
b) as if fan petitions have ever done anything in WWE. Do we think there wasn't one each time Jeff Hardy left?

It's got to be a work.

[crownsy]

If I have to explain what's out of character when Cena makes nicey nice with a guy who openly disrespected him and beat him sensless for several minutes after attacking several non-combatants, then I have a feeling I'm never going to get my point across. :rolleyes:

Right, much better to defend your lack of evidence either way with a vague allusion to your enlightened understanding of the Cena gimmick and the dreaded Rolleye emote debate ender.

Really put us all in our place for having a separate opinion than you did of a guys gimmick and how he would react in character on twitter. I know i for one am chagrined to have ever suggested anything contrary to your view.

The smileys have spoken, after all. how thoughtless of us to expect you to discuss the subject with us mere mortals on a message board.

It could be a work, or not, we are all just speculating on it. But to pretend that it's beneath you to discuss your view beyond "I'm right, and your an idiot if you think otherwise" is not a good way to get me to agree with your side of a debate.

[supershot]

Not sure if this is true, but here it is anyway...

- CM Punk seemed to make light of Daniel Bryan's release at the SmackDown live event last night in Hampton, Virginia, before his match with Kane. Punk entered the ring and cornered announcer Tony Chimel, grabbed his tie and held it while looking back and forth between the tie and Tony's face, threatening him.

[The Shape]

Right, because you know John Cena so very well. :rolleyes:

Seriously, if that's a worked response to the angle then it's the absolute WUSSIEST response he could've given. It makes him sound like somebody who's afraid he's gonna get his head kicked in again, not the tough faux Marine who keeps fighting no matter what the odds.

No, if Cena were 'working' his comments he'd be showing anger due to the attack and possibly not being able to get his revenge.

You clearly have John Cena confused with somebody who isn't John Cena. Anger once they're in the ring, yes. On the internet...no.

Not sure if this is true, but here it is anyway...

LOL awesome.

[-laz-]

ok if this is a work or not heres a petition iv found please sign it

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bdaniels&1

[Franchise22]

Not sure if this is true, but here it is anyway...

i was there, he grabbed his tie, and did indeed glance at the tie and his face a few times. didnt seem like words were spoken tho. i was 4th row ringside.

[Fleisch]

If I have to explain what's out of character when Cena makes nicey nice with a guy who openly disrespected him and beat him sensless for several minutes after attacking several non-combatants, then I have a feeling I'm never going to get my point across. :rolleyes:

Over use of the roll eye smiley I think 1 out of your last 6 posts didn't contain it. :rolleyes: (Irony)

Who knows or truly cares if Cena is "shooting" or "working". It's the most pathetic thing to get you panties in a bunch about, I mean come on. A grown man "Twitters" something and the debate is if he is telling the truth, or playing the character. I don't know him and neither do all you people saying to others "Oh so you know him then" or other equally hypocritical comments.

Anyway, I'm personally not sure about the whole Danielson thing. It could be a work to get the angry "Indy" guy over more on his return. I think the reasons being reported for his release are weak, but again he doesn't make the WWE as much money as Orton (for example) so there's the possibility he could be released for real. I would love for it to be a work. He could come back cut a promo on how "if he wasn't that good, why'd they hire him back? etc... and get some heat with the crowd". He was just coming into his own as a really good heel so I would hope he'll return somewhere down the line and use his release in some storyline or other.

[juggaloninjalee]

I think it's a work. They wouldn't cut him after last week. That segment and NXT as a stable is gold. Why blow it up?

[Hyde Hill]

ok if this is a work or not heres a petition iv found please sign it

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?bdaniels&1

Nah rather have him in TNA or ROH where he can truly work his style.

[Trashbear]

Regarding the whole Daniel Bryan deal...I think it's funny that in WWE, every employee will swear up and down to you that they are not in the wrestling business, they're entertainment, and that the so-called wrestling media is beneath them.

Then they run what is essentially a classic invasion angle (we've all seen stuff like this before in various places, haven't we?) and go very far out of their way to work the wrestling media they claim to hate. He's not gone, it's just an angle.

[crownsy]

I think it's a work. They wouldn't cut him after last week. That segment and NXT as a stable is gold. Why blow it up?

Well, if a high money sposer complained, as is the rumor (I've seen Mattel and Snickers listed) then really, Vince is left with no choice as a businessman

I mean, lets speculate, for the sake of argument that WWE's partnership with Mattel Nets it...20 Million a year, which is extremely low in all likelihood, as They do the Toys for WWE, sponsorship Fee's to the WWE ect, ect.

Your choice is

1. Lose a Ton of guaranteed money when the sponsor backs out on you.

or

2. Hope that the NXT stable, which was gold in ONE segment, catch such fire with the fans that it makes up for the loss of huge corporate $$ by refusing their request. This would mean being nearly certain that the NXT stable, and DB by extension would increase TV ratings and PPV buys to the extent that the equaled or exceeded a sponsor who is already investing a ton of money.

IF it isn't a work, which i'm still not convinced of, I can very easily see Vince, who from all reports was in love with Danielson as a worker (hence the Huge push for NXT, he likes Barret to) going to Danielson and saying something like

"Listen, We love what you've done here and think you can be a huge star, but sponsor X freaked out about the Tie thing and demanded your release. I;m going to have to do it to keep them on board.

But listen, these things blow over, We tossed you a little extra in the severance package, and in 6 months or so, we hope you'll rejoin us and we'll push you (possibly at a bonus over whatever he was making)"

Those kind of deals are made all the time, and, again assuming this isn't just a work, it explains why Danielson is keeping quiet on the whole issue.

I mean, if Vince really fired him with no promise of rehire for an angle he was told to go out and do, you don't think he'd be talking about that? Guys who leave the WWE without what they think is cause (I.E anderson) always at least say something.

So far DB's two comments to the public have been

1. The NXT catch phrase
2. A vauge tweet about speaking about it "at the right time"

Doesn't scream a guy who was fired unjustly and out of the blue to me.

That screams work, or let go with every assurance if he lays low and sticks to Indy's he's back ASAP and gets a push.

[Linsolv]

The Bryan comments were too vague to get a read on to me, but the Cena comments have work all over it.

[maskedpropaganda]

Well, if a high money sposer complained, as is the rumor (I've seen Mattel and Snickers listed) then really, Vince is left with no choice as a businessman

I mean, lets speculate, for the sake of argument that WWE's partnership with Mattel Nets it...20 Million a year, which is extremely low in all likelihood, as They do the Toys for WWE, sponsorship Fee's to the WWE ect, ect.

Your choice is

1. Lose a Ton of guaranteed money when the sponsor backs out on you.

or

2. Hope that the NXT stable, which was gold in ONE segment, catch such fire with the fans that it makes up for the loss of huge corporate $$ by refusing their request. This would mean being nearly certain that the NXT stable, and DB by extension would increase TV ratings and PPV buys to the extent that the equaled or exceeded a sponsor who is already investing a ton of money.

IF it isn't a work, which i'm still not convinced of, I can very easily see Vince, who from all reports was in love with Danielson as a worker (hence the Huge push for NXT, he likes Barret to) going to Danielson and saying something like

"Listen, We love what you've done here and think you can be a huge star, but sponsor X freaked out about the Tie thing and demanded your release. I;m going to have to do it to keep them on board.

But listen, these things blow over, We tossed you a little extra in the severance package, and in 6 months or so, we hope you'll rejoin us and we'll push you (possibly at a bonus over whatever he was making)"

Those kind of deals are made all the time, and, again assuming this isn't just a work, it explains why Danielson is keeping quiet on the whole issue.

I mean, if Vince really fired him with no promise of rehire for an angle he was told to go out and do, you don't think he'd be talking about that? Guys who leave the WWE without what they think is cause (I.E anderson) always at least say something.

So far DB's two comments to the public have been

1. The NXT catch phrase
2. A vauge tweet about speaking about it "at the right time"

Doesn't scream a guy who was fired unjustly and out of the blue to me.

That screams work, or let go with every assurance if he lays low and sticks to Indy's he's back ASAP and gets a push.

I do not believe it was a work but I think crown here statement has creditability as I am of the belief that something similar happened. "Gotta letcha go - we love ya and can't wait to bring ya back in 3-6 months when all of this blows over." - considering he probably has a 90 day clause... he might work few indy dates then be back in the E with promised push/title reign/mega-raise.

[Slagaholic]

I do not believe it was a work but I think crown here statement has creditability as I am of the belief that something similar happened. "Gotta letcha go - we love ya and can't wait to bring ya back in 3-6 months when all of this blows over." - considering he probably has a 90 day clause... he might work few indy dates then be back in the E with promised push/title reign/mega-raise.

I was with you until this point. I don't think they would promise him anything of the sort.

[maskedpropaganda]

No huh? Even if it is JUST a higher salary, I think something would be verbally communicated to which Bryan would understand that if he chooses to return when they call (and they will call) that he would be (or could be) a showcase on their show and earn a higher rate of pay.

[TheEdgeOfReason]

I was with you until this point. I don't think they would promise him anything of the sort.

Of course they would. Otherwise what is the incentive to return, or accept the firing-rehiring with no qualms.

[Self]

I just got through Smackdown in record time. 8 minutes. Watched a bit of Rey/Swagger but got the feeling I'd seen it all before. Lay-Cool interested me until I realised Kaval wasn't going to do anything. Wasn't in the mood for Christian-Dolph. Drew McIntyre does nothing for me... except for his awesome music. Big Show main event? Bleh.

8 minutes. New record. I spent more time watching the Primo/Zack vs GoldTatsu match on Superstars. Woo Woo Woo. You know it.

[masterded]

Of course they would. Otherwise what is the incentive to return, or accept the firing-rehiring with no qualms.

Except they are the biggest company by far and his only chance to be at the top of the profession he loves. That would seem like a good enough reason for quite a few people not to burn any bridges and be willing to return to a place they may have not got the fairest chance at the first time.

[jhd1]

Whilst everyone goes on about CM Punk, I'm hoping Big Show comes out and hits someone in the head. :p Okay, so maybe I jest but Big Show is so much better than I remember him ever being.

Having Jack Thwagger say 'The All-American American' about fourteen times on the way to the ring made me want to tear my hair out almost as much as TNA fans shouting 'this is awesome' every five minutes.

[MightyDavidson]

Except they are the biggest company by far and his only chance to be at the top of the profession he loves. That would seem like a good enough reason for quite a few people not to burn any bridges and be willing to return to a place they may have not got the fairest chance at the first time.

It's been said that Bryan Danielson has always dreamed about working in the WWE, if this is true it would make sense for him to mind his P's and Q's in the hopes of getting to work there again once this blows over.

Assuming the outside source whomever they may be are willing to let his blow over.

[Hyde Hill]

Whilst everyone goes on about CM Punk, I'm hoping Big Show comes out and hits someone in the head. :p Okay, so maybe I jest but Big Show is so much better than I remember him ever being.

Having Jack Thwagger say 'The All-American American' about fourteen times on the way to the ring made me want to tear my hair out almost as much as TNA fans shouting 'this is awesome' every five minutes.

Wait they where a bit early or over exuberant with it once or twice. Don't go into hyperbole like them please.

[MrOnu]

Drew McIntyre does nothing for me... except for his awesome music.

I suddenly feel less lonely. Many people are high on Drew, but I find him bland as hell. I don't see anything remotely special in this guy and my standards are usually pretty low. I mean, if I can find Kozlov entertaining sometimes...

[Hyde Hill]

Nah same here, nice entrance music although the entrance itself it's too slow and Otonesque and then a slow and mediocre wrestler and promo to follow it up. Pass. Way I feel about a lot of the E talent.

[GDE71]

Have nothing else to watch, so I'm watching Raw as it happens. I feel like such a hypocrite.

[maskedpropaganda]

Drew doesn't bother me really but not impressed either and I love Sheamus, but for some reason everytime I see both of them I can't help thinking - pushing these two, but couldn't think of anything for Burchill? - I was high on Paul. TNA should pick him up and team him with Williams. Sounds good to me anyway, though I have been awake for 30 some odd hours so all of this could make no sense or be typed in goobledygook.

[Johnny Fenoli]

Well.... They (Wade Barrett) talked about Daniel Bryan (Danielson)... but just confused things even more.... Saying he regreted it, seemingly saying THEY got rid of him, not the WWE.... So... I guess he really did get cut from WWE.

[GDE71]

Well, this surely hasn't kept the momentum from last Monday.

Granted they do have 1:45 to go....

[supershot]

I no longer think its a work. If it was, they would have never announced him being fired based on what just happened on RAW.

I believe he was let go based on one of their sponsors complaining.

[LoganRodzen]

I'd like to be the first to say that I think they've completely scrapped the entire angle. :eek:

[Linsolv]

So Cena's laying the groundwork for his return in a few months, I guess? Because those tweets sounded much, much too "work"-y.

[Johnny Fenoli]

I no longer think its a work. If it was, they would have never announced him being fired based on what just happened on RAW.

I believe he was let go based on one of their sponsors complaining.

Yeah, me too... if they would have put it that way it would have at least left the door open for it to be a work... The way it is now, if it was a work it would just be a complete mess. He would come back as a baby face who was sorry for his actions... instead of the bad ass he was last monday... that would just be super messy booking.

[Tweek It]

Just saw Ric Flair on a Tennessee lottery commerical for 'Mega Millions' during Raw...

[supershot]

Yeah, me too... if they would have put it that way it would have at least left the door open for it to be a work... The way it is now, if it was a work it would just be a complete mess. He would come back as a baby face who was sorry for his actions... instead of the bad ass he was last monday... that would just be super messy booking.

Well I think they announced him being fired so that who ever complained could see they actually did something about it.

Based on the new info from RAW, its gotta be legit or super messy booking.

[GDE71]

This is what I don't like about either show. 45 minutes in and we've had one somewhat decent match.

I would actually like more wrestling on a wrestling show.

This is getting to be more and more like the South Park they did about wrestling.

[Bigpapa42]

I've been pretty given up hope of it being a work, to be honest.

[supershot]

Time to fire Chris Jericho.. he just choked Bourne with the middle rope! :eek:

[The Final Countdown]

This angle is dead.

[The Celt]

This angle is dead.

nXt getting ran out of the building is a bit weak...but I still have hope FC.

[GDE71]

It took less than one RAW for them to ruin what could have been the best angle in a long time.

[LoganRodzen]

That was really cool. Had my adrenaline going (during wrestling?! that hasn't happened since I was like 10 years old). I wish this wasn't the nail in the coffin because this piece to it just makes you want to see what NXT could do in retaliation. But if it's over... that was one way to do it.

[GDE71]

That was really cool. Had my adrenaline going (during wrestling?! that hasn't happened since I was like 10 years old). I wish this wasn't the nail in the coffin because this piece to it just makes you want to see what NXT could do in retaliation. But if it's over... that was one way to do it.


See I didn't think it was that good because of who came out. Santino? Mark Henry? Regal?

Then Mark Henry was running side by side with the rookies as they ran out?

[The Celt]

During the fight I was hoping Regal and Jericho would turn on the WWE and help the nXters pick up a hit and run victory.

Anyways, as of right now we've still got 50 on the clock. Hopefully the nXters return one more time and get their heat back via some badassness.

Edit: At least they're still keeping my countryman Sheamus looking like a badass. Clearly he fears no man and shall make his name on the corpses of others; bow to the new king of kings!

[The Final Countdown]

nXt getting ran out of the building is a bit weak...but I still have hope FC.
To be fair, I pretty much lost all interest in the angle once Barrett said they took Bryan out themselves because he was remorseful. After the intensity he showed, THAT'S how they're going to write him out (assuming that was the point)? Seriously? The remaining guys getting overwhelmed one week later was just the icing.

[cbhcbh]

I stopped watching before the first commercial break, at 13 minutes in.

[cbhcbh]

No Bryan Danielson, no interest.

[LoganRodzen]

See I didn't think it was that good because of who came out. Santino? Mark Henry? Regal?

Then Mark Henry was running side by side with the rookies as they ran out?

I thought it was cool when Orton and Sheamus came out. Everything else was weak.

[The Celt]

In fairness seeing if Danielson was going to show up was the main reason I tuned in (or streamed it live to use the correct term).

[supershot]

nXt getting ran out of the building is a bit weak...but I still have hope FC.

They looked extremely dominate last week so I doubt this hurt them all that much. Plus they were starting to get outnumbered. Then comes the pipe to get them runnin.

But cmon guys. That was pretty cool. The opening segment was ok, but that brawl was a pretty good follow up. What would have been better? It wasn't nearly as bad as you guys are letting on.

[Hyde Hill]

Drew doesn't bother me really but not impressed either and I love Sheamus, but for some reason everytime I see both of them I can't help thinking - pushing these two, but couldn't think of anything for Burchill? - I was high on Paul. TNA should pick him up and team him with Williams. Sounds good to me anyway, though I have been awake for 30 some odd hours so all of this could make no sense or be typed in goobledygook.

Reportedly eg rumour Magnus is pushing for Burchill to come and have them be the new British Invasion leaving Doug in the X.

[The Celt]

Yeah I agree with that supershot, it's way too early to call the complete angle dead, people need to stop being so cynical, but tonight's RAW has been average so far, the opening being the highlight and it's been going downwards since, not horrible just not great.

[Hyde Hill]

I'd like to be the first to say that I think they've completely scrapped the entire angle. :eek:

Lol so it was just to promote the next season in the hope it would get good enough ratings to get picked up somewhere else lolz.

[Hyde Hill]

This is what I don't like about either show. 45 minutes in and we've had one somewhat decent match.

I would actually like more wrestling on a wrestling show.

This is getting to be more and more like the South Park they did about wrestling.

See the last couple of TNA episodes they are averaging around or above Smackdown in match time and have gotten less silly and nostalgia heavy. Come on make the change! lolz.

[The Final Countdown]

Yeah I agree with that supershot, it's way too early to call the complete angle dead, people need to stop being so cynical, but tonight's RAW has been average so far, the opening being the highlight and it's been going downwards since, not horrible just not great.
My cynicism is based on Danielson appearing to be gone. Without AmDrag, this angle holds almost no interest for me. It's Barrett and a bunch of guys I don't care about.

[The Celt]

Danielson will be back in either a few weeks to rejoin nXt or in like 3 months to avenge and fight against nXt, if the word that WWE only fired him as a scapegoat and the door was left only is true.

Edit: Ok, Bret just lined up the entire RAW roster to guard the Main Event...this could be interesting.

[GDE71]

See the last couple of TNA episodes they are averaging around or above Smackdown in match time and have gotten less silly and nostalgia heavy. Come on make the change! lolz.

I prefer TNA, but the NXT angle from last week was awesome. So I had to turn in tonight to see how things went.

WWE should be called WSE for World Sports Entertainment, because they just don't do any wrestling.

TNA needs to be so much better than it is, so please don't think that I think TNA can do no wrong. They have many problems too, but at least I get to see people wrestle and the shows are getting better.

[Hyde Hill]

I prefer TNA, but the NXT angle from last week was awesome. So I had to turn in tonight to see how things went.

WWE should be called WSE for World Sports Entertainment, because they just don't do any wrestling.

TNA needs to be so much better than it is, so please don't think that I think TNA can do no wrong. They have many problems too, but at least I get to see people wrestle and the shows are getting better.

Same here just peddling for converts hehe lolz. Seems I was preaching to the choir in your case lolz.

[The Celt]

Honestly, not to be a smart ass or anything but If combine this RAW and the last iMPACT (which I also watched, Kurt Angle and Amazing Red was the only real in ring action) you're still only going to get about half an hour of wrestling. That's the truth.

If you are serious about watching in-ring action full episodes of ROH are available for free online from the user ROHbrazil. ROH is all about the wrestling and talent.

[GDE71]

The 8-man last week was pretty nice and some liked Kendrick/Williams(I didn't) and it was the go home show even if it was taped a long time before it aired.

Granted this is the go home show for WWE. But last week was pretty abysmal except for the awesome angle to end it and it was 3 hours.

I would really like to enjoy WWE and TNA, but right now I only enjoy TNA.

I believe the more good wrestling we have the better off we all will be.

[Hyde Hill]

Honestly, not to be a smart ass or anything but If combine this RAW and the last iMPACT (which I also watched, Kurt Angle and Amazing Red was the only real in ring action) you're still only going to get about half an hour of wrestling. That's the truth.

If you are serious about watching in-ring action full episodes of ROH are available for free online from the user ROHbrazil. ROH is all about the wrestling and talent.

I like a good balance ROH goes too far the other way for me. TNA lately have had a good balance. And let's not get into a debate about it plz I was just semi kidding around.

[LoganRodzen]

ballztothewallzNXT

[Johnny Fenoli]

WEEEELLL! CRAP!!!.... so..... who's the driver................. ? Back, at square one....

[supershot]

And you guys said the nXt angle was dead...

[GDE71]

I was loving the Main Event........

[alden]

Very very intresting ending again........to be honest it is unqiue to me.....have never seen it done before like that atleast.

[The Celt]

Strong ending, but Bret killed the image of him hurt by moving his hand to fix his hair.

Also, who was driving the limo

Was it...youknowwho?

DUN DUN DUUNNNNNN!!!?!?!?!?!

[GDE71]

WEEEELLL! CRAP!!!.... so..... who's the driver................. ? Back, at square one....

This is the only thing that interests me about the ending.

[alden]

Ok well i think this answers the question of who the leader is......its wade.....and the "driver" had to be in on it also.......i say that was you know who.......this made me think its a work again. We know now they are an "out side" force because they are demanding contracts.

[SaySo]

Rikishi, he did it for the Rock.

[supershot]

If you guys are thinking the driver was Daniel.. how would that go with him having remorse and being extinguished by the NXT group?

Could be tho.. you never know.

[alden]

they showed a few shots of the driver but they were very blury.....i expect a few screens of the driver to be up at some point

[SaySo]

It has to be Nick Hogan! The driving was Vintage Nick Hogan.

[supershot]

Ok well i think this answers the question of who the leader is......its wade.....and the "driver" had to be in on it also.......i say that was you know who.......this made me think its a work again. We know now they are an "out side" force because they are demanding contracts.

Obviously this is the GREATEST thing in awhile. WWE is gonna have us second guessing ourselves for the 2nd week in a row.

[fatallylost]

WEEEELLL! CRAP!!!.... so..... who's the driver................. ? Back, at square one....

Where's Kidman? I still don't trust him after the whole WCW angle.

[Hyde Hill]

Where's Kidman? I still don't trust him after the whole WCW angle.

Trainer in FCW hehe so he is under a WWE contract. Thinking far out of left field how about Taker? Not as a leader but a supporter. Heel turn would freshen up his character and would alleviate ring work.

[The Final Countdown]

I like a good balance ROH goes too far the other way for me. TNA lately have had a good balance. And let's not get into a debate about it plz I was just semi kidding around.
How much of ROH's TV show have you seen? There's plenty of talking/storytelling to be found. Maybe your idea of a balanced ratio differs from mine, though.

[-laz-]

how is kidnaping and assualt PG and choking isnt

[alden]

how is kidnaping and assualt PG and choking isnt

from what is going around on line.....it is not so much he choked out roberts but its that he used his tie and broke the "benoit rule".....being no one can be shown "choking" anohter with any object. Apparently not all the employees are aware of the rule as it is only used in meetings and only people who were around during the benoit time are aware of the rule.

[SaySo]

If there is a Benoit rule, Daniel Bryan should only be suspended.

[-laz-]

from what is going around on line.....it is not so much he choked out roberts but its that he used his tie and broke the "benoit rule".....being no one can be shown "choking" anohter with any object. Apparently not all the employees are aware of the rule as it is only used in meetings and only people who were around during the benoit time are aware of the rule.
ok so during the attack on cena the ginger jobber (i forget his name) used the ring ropes to choke cena doesnt that count

[alden]

i believe that was gabrial....and from what i remember diden't he actuly not choke him.....he was going to but i remember he let go of the rope and walks away. i might be wrong though

[LoganRodzen]

ok so during the attack on cena the ginger jobber (i forget his name) used the ring ropes to choke cena doesnt that count

I don't understand why people keep pointing to this... Slater was about to choke Cena with the ring rope and he stops before wrapping it around his neck. I could tell something was up last week when that happened. He never actually choked him though.

[icedragon770]

wow more cowardness from nxt season 1 rookies. they should be arrested except bryan who had remorse

[TheOmniWarrior]

I just lost all respect for Haas

CharlieHaas

Like Regal can kick anyones ass. That's a work in its self

Edit: Forgot to mention this is a tweet

[-laz-]

i believe that was gabrial....and from what i remember diden't he actuly not choke him.....he was going to but i remember he let go of the rope and walks away. i might be wrong though
still wwe needs to get its Prioritys right, its ok to choke someone with a sleeper, run them over with a car or smash there head in with a lead pipe but dont choke someone with a tie seems very stupid to me

[alden]

still wwe needs to get its Prioritys right, its ok to choke someone with a sleeper, run them over with a car or smash there head in with a lead pipe but dont choke someone with a tie seems very stupid to me

I agree.......This whole angle has really pushed what is ok and not ok. I for one don't mind the pg stuff. I was going back through my old shows and was watching the additude era.....my kid walked in and i would not allow him to watch it. Right now wwe is a product i can watch with my kid. He gets what goes on in the ring is "stagged" *i hate that he thinks that because he has watched my matches and still gets upset when i am hurt*.....What he does not get is a woman swallowing a huge hot dog.....ho's......blood letting......human sacrifices.......and countless other things......

I think they need to pick a road and go with it. This nxt angle has really pushed what they are doing.

[Astil]

I don't understand why people keep pointing to this... Slater was about to choke Cena with the ring rope and he stops before wrapping it around his neck. I could tell something was up last week when that happened. He never actually choked him though.

Cena choking out Umaga at the Royal Rumble with the ring rope. They showed images of it on RAW.

[-laz-]

i think wwe should have at the very most suspended him for this firing is a very extreme reaction

[SaySo]

It gotta be Linda McMahon senate campaign that pulled the strings of Daniel Bryan release.

[alden]

It gotta be Linda McMahon senate campaign that pulled the strings of Daniel Bryan release.

I think it is yes.....that is why they went pg in the first place.

[alden]

Cena choking out Umaga at the Royal Rumble with the ring rope. They showed images of it on RAW.

wasen't that pre benoit though?

[LoganRodzen]

Cena choking out Umaga at the Royal Rumble with the ring rope. They showed images of it on RAW.

You do understand that the Benoit tragedy didn't happen until five months after that Royal Rumble, right?

[Astil]

You do understand that the Benoit tragedy didn't happen until five months after that Royal Rumble, right?

... damn


my sense of time is... f'd up. Let me look that up.

EDIT: You're right. My bad.

[-laz-]

I think it is yes.....that is why they went pg in the first place.
ok so what if someone in her campaign complains about sheamus and his lead pipe should he be fired, or what if someone complained about the limo angle would wwe release everyone involved, this whole thing has me really pissed off i was just gettin back into wwe then they pull this ****

[Hitman23]

Cena choking out Umaga at the Royal Rumble with the ring rope. They showed images of it on RAW.
They would never fire cena, and some others but thats a big name guy Bryan is honstly a no name a guy that just Internet fans know of NXT was the first time i had seen the guy fight. And i would have to say work or not i dont care I think the NXT Invasion could be just as good without him.

[alden]

ok so what if someone in her campaign complains about sheamus and his lead pipe should he be fired, or what if someone complained about the limo angle would wwe release everyone involved, this whole thing has me really pissed off i was just gettin back into wwe then they pull this ****

I relly expect a more mature product once her campaign is over. I am not following her campaign so i don't know what her chances are.

I do agree that there has been more offensive things other then a choke out.

[b0shey]

reading the spoilers man this sounded like a terrible Raw

[GruntMark]

... damn


my sense of time is... f'd up. Let me look that up.

EDIT: You're right. My bad.

Or maybe Benoit murdering folks creates a crack in time that moves both forwards AND backwards in the time stream.

That sounds right.

Im with Astil on this one.

[GruntMark]

I relly expect a more mature product once her campaign is over. I am not following her campaign so i don't know what her chances are.



Right now, not good.

But its a long time tell November....

[Astil]

Right now, not good.

But its a long time tell November....

She's not gonna win, from what I've been seeing around the state, but like you said...

[-laz-]

wwe will not leave this pg crap for a long time they are trying to attract big money sponsors like coka cola

[fatallylost]

I think we should all join this group. It seems right, and, after all, a cause we can get behind!

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e203/fatallylost/PATV.jpg

[-laz-]

we should start a group

Fans Against PG!

[The Final Countdown]

wasen't that pre benoit though?
JBL also essentially choked Jericho out with a noose around that same time, in an incident that vividly reminded me of Benoit the entire time I was watching it, and may have been the most uncomfortable I've ever been while watching a wrestling show.

EDIT: Guess my timeline was off on the Cena/Umaga thing. Almost positive I'm right on Jericho/JBL though.

[Comradebot]

we should start a group

Fans Against PG!

You know what? I don't care if it's PG. I grew up watching the early 90s and the majority of that stuff was INCREDIBLY PG. And, looking back without bias, it was still really, really good. The WWE isn't going to get magically better just by doing more "mature" things. The best they could do, in that regard, is let Cena off his leash. He's such a better worker on the microphone when every word he says isn't under such strict control.

But being non-PG? All that's gonna do right now is alienate the younger fanbase and please a few smarks/people who get kicks out of violence and other "risky" stuff.

What the WWE SHOULD do is:

1. Have at LEAST 6-8 matches a show. When you go 30 minutes before your first one of the night, it sucks. This goes hand in hand with...

2. Cut down on the freakin' over-produced recaps! They're annoying as hell, and the time they waste on them could be used to talk about THIS show, not what happened last week. Obviously some re-capping is nice, but they go over the top with it. Strikes me as a lazy way to fill time so they don't have to do any real work.

3. If they're gonna be PG and essentially "get back to the WWE's roots", then the characters need to match. You can't have some many "serious" characters in a PG environment, it's counter-intuitive. They need more well-defined gimmicks, ala pre-2002ish. Far too many guys are trying the "I'm just a wrestler, nothing more" thing and that's... bland. Especially when you can't take them seriously due to the PG nature that brings with it restrictions. Very few guys have the talent to pull off the "no gimmick needed" thing, and it feels like that's the direction the WWE is trying take nearly everyone. It needs to be, I daresay, a touch more "cartoony".

Obviously, some of this is my own personal tastes influencing my thoughts. If anyone here has read any of my old EWA diary, you know I like larger than life characters. It just feels like it'd be a smart move given the utter lack of Risqueness in the company right now.

[fatallylost]

2. Cut down on the freakin' over-produced recaps! They're annoying as hell, and the time they waste on them could be used to talk about THIS show, not what happened last week. Obviously some re-capping is nice, but they go over the top with it. Strikes me as a lazy way to fill time so they don't have to do any real work.

Add to that the constant "moments ago/earlier tonight" recaps. I've watched Raw since the beginning, pretty much. Very rarely did I ever only watch the second hour, or, you know, miss any of the show. Who are these for? Potheads or something?

[alden]

I really agree.......Is pg really all that bad? hogan vs andre was during a pg time.......so was hogan vs warrior.........taker vs roberts.......the rockers.......bret vs owen......Pg has been a great time in wrestling.....to be honest only 8 years was really pg 96 to 2004....the rest of the time has been mostly pg to be honest.

[Slagaholic]

Is it just me or is this whole story line beginning to reek of WCW? People being fired in reality, people being fired in kayfabe, the fans not being completely sure the company isn't trying to run an elaborate work on everyone, stupid car stunts, bad acting, bad writing, etc.

[supershot]

Is it just me or is this whole story line beginning to reek of WCW? People being fired in reality, people being fired in kayfabe, the fans not being completely sure the company isn't trying to run an elaborate work on everyone, stupid car stunts, bad acting, bad writing, etc.

Thanks for ruining the whole storyline for me in 1 post! :p

[The Final Countdown]

Is it just me or is this whole story line beginning to reek of WCW? People being fired in reality, people being fired in kayfabe, the fans not being completely sure the company isn't trying to run an elaborate work on everyone, stupid car stunts, bad acting, bad writing, etc.
It's a fitting comparison, yes.

Also: aside from Barrett, none of the remaining NXT gang should be allowed anywhere near a microphone. They did not impress me in the least in the little time they were given to speak at the beginning of the show. Bret Hart was little better. I still don't understand why they put him in the GM role. Talking was always his WEAK point.

[ampulator]

Actually, it's more correct, to say it's his WEAKEST point, but he gets the job done. I think it's more of a way for Vince McMahon to make amends with Bret Hart in real life, to show Vince really felt bad the whole deal went down.

[Remianen]

You know what? I don't care if it's PG. I grew up watching the early 90s and the majority of that stuff was INCREDIBLY PG. And, looking back without bias, it was still really, really good. The WWE isn't going to get magically better just by doing more "mature" things. The best they could do, in that regard, is let Cena off his leash. He's such a better worker on the microphone when every word he says isn't under such strict control.

But being non-PG? All that's gonna do right now is alienate the younger fanbase and please a few smarks/people who get kicks out of violence and other "risky" stuff.

Actually C-bot, you have to take more into account than just violence or curse words. There are words that aren't swear words that are outright not allowed for a PG rated program. Some of them are obvious ('coochie') but more often than not, if a word or phrase can be misconstrued in any way, it's basically not allowed. So it's not so much the rating itself that's the problem, it's the hoops you have to jump through and the possible minefields you have to navigate in order to maintain that level.

I really agree.......Is pg really all that bad? hogan vs andre was during a pg time.......so was hogan vs warrior.........taker vs roberts.......the rockers.......bret vs owen......Pg has been a great time in wrestling.....to be honest only 8 years was really pg 96 to 2004....the rest of the time has been mostly pg to be honest.

You're ignoring the fact that, at least in the US, the ratings system (and standards) has changed at least twice since those bygone days. The system currently in use wasn't enacted until 1997 (remember the V-chip?). Also keep in mind that WWE, at its most risque, was only one level higher on the rating scale (TV-14) so it's not like people decrying the PG label want the 'E to start showing porn.

As I said, the standards for each rating category can often be nonsensical and dense. A person on TV saying 'coochie coochie coo' to a baby would have that turn into 'bleep bleep coo', if not outright silenced. There's little in the way of context used due to the CYA motivation. "When in doubt, take/bleep it out." I think that's the biggest beef with the rating. While it does allow access to a wider variety of sponsors, it also pretty much eliminates any content that is relevant to anyone outside the base WASP population. I won't go into what several of my friends think of R-Truth ("the non-threatening, singing, dancing Negro caricature"). Problem is, you really can't go any further than that without it possibly being 'too risque'. Many euphemisms used in everyday life cannot be shown in their native form because they can be misconstrued (especially by people who aren't "up on the lingo").

[Hyde Hill]

Yep just wanted to point that out that todays's PG is not yesteryears PG. Hogan bled in quite a few of his matches for instance and now that is an automatic stoppage. Also it seems that in some cases WWE goes above and beyond the necessities of PG while being hypocritical about it at the same time.

No blatant chokes or Benoit references right? Hmm crippler crossfaces by Michaels and HHH, ring rope choke by Christian any sleeper hold etc.

Not too violent outside the ring? Car! Door! Pipe! Hammer!

It's like they are on this weird type of split and just can't decide what to do.

BTW fully on Bot with the incessant replay's which is one of the main things that drove me away and all the legit/realistic characters in a pg environment. Ad to that the slow, overscripted same moves all the time matches. That is not psychology that is spotmonkey's who do not use highspots.

[Self]

I just lost all respect for Haas

CharlieHaas

Like Regal can kick anyones ass. That's a work in its self

Edit: Forgot to mention this is a tweet

Interesting. I'd be tempted to trust Haas on something like this, and Regal is a guy I've never seen what the fuss was about. Very good talker, knows some submissions, but has always looked slow and awkward in the ring to me. He seems to have this reputation, but I can totally see what Haas is talking about.

we should start a group

Fans Against PG!

While I'd personally prefer to see a more adult show, I have no problem with PG WWE. There's nothing stopping you from having a good show and telling good stories while still adhering to standards. PG is far from WWE's biggest problem right now in my opinion.

What I'd do is cut out the sneak attacks. The one thing I don't like about wrestling is the cavalier attitude people seem to have about violence. I'm all for fisticuffs during a match, that's great, but every time I'm watching a wrestling show I'm bombarded with sneak attacks, post-match attacks, backstage attacks, vehicular attacks, etc. It's too much. First off, the sheer volume waters down the impact. Second off, because attacks are so commonplace, you have to go bigger and more 'dangerous' to make them important. That's when you get into trouble. Daniel Bryan choked Justin Roberts with his tie. It was different. It stood out. It got him fired.

To me, socking a guy after a match should be a big deal, just like it would in the UFC.

In quick response to C'Bot's list... 6-8 matches seems like too much to me. That's PPV territory. I'd say 5-6, just make them longer and meaningful. As for the constant replays... I like them. I only watch 1/4 RAWs, 3/4 Smackdowns, 1/2 Superstars, so I enjoy seeing replays of angles I missed. I'm also a big fan of the WWE editing team. The replays are perhaps a bit overproduced, but on the whole I dig 'em.

[fatallylost]

Yep just wanted to point that out that todays's PG is not yesteryears PG. Hogan bled in quite a few of his matches for instance and now that is an automatic stoppage. Also it seems that in some cases WWE goes above and beyond the necessities of PG while being hypocritical about it at the same time.

No blatant chokes or Benoit references right? Hmm crippler crossfaces by Michaels and HHH, ring rope choke by Christian any sleeper hold etc.

Not too violent outside the ring? Car! Door! Pipe! Hammer!

It's like they are on this weird type of split and just can't decide what to do.

BTW fully on Bot with the incessant replay's which is one of the main things that drove me away and all the legit/realistic characters in a pg environment. Ad to that the slow, overscripted same moves all the time matches. That is not psychology that is spotmonkey's who do not use highspots.

It doesn't make sense. But, think about America, in general.

TV News. They will constantly talk about rape, murder, suicide, bombings, every graphic violent thing.

Sex, on the other hand, is the worst thing to happen to the world since Adam took the apple into his mouth.

Nothing really makes sense, especially if it involves a censor/rating. And, of course money speaks louder than anything.

[Shmoe]

Something I don't get is a realistic choke getting somebody fired, yet Big Show is allowed to convincingly knock people out by punching them HARD in the head (kayfabe obv, but so was the choke). But that's cool.

AmDrag is the don anyway. If it's legit and he's not coming back, that's the E's loss and he can go tear it up in Japan. Or at least that would be my preference, haha.

[UkWrestleFan]

Trainer in FCW hehe so he is under a WWE contract. Thinking far out of left field how about Taker? Not as a leader but a supporter. Heel turn would freshen up his character and would alleviate ring work.

'Taker? Noooo, he's in a vegatative state :p

Maybe he (Danielson) has been genuinely axed but I'm thinking they could still have him involved in this for sometime without actually acknowledging it or using him, y'know?

This week, a mystery limo driver scaring the wits out of Bret, next week a hooded/masked attacked entering through the crowd and beating the crap out of Orton. Keep it up until the whole choking thing blows over (how long, realistically, do we think WWE would wait before bringing him back?) and then have a huge reveal, maybe Barrett challenging whoever the WWE Champion is at the time. Bryan could come out, still masked/hooded, and cost the champ the title. Then the reveal!!! It was Daniel Bryan all the long.

[20LEgend]

They have a picture here:

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/406281-raw-61410-blog-nxt-invades-pros-stand-together-more

When i zoomed in it looked a bit like Danielson but i doubt its him doing the stunt

[UkWrestleFan]

Doesn't look much like Bryan to me.

[Self]

I'd be stunned if the character who drove the car in storyline actually performed the stunt. Surely they'd get someone who actually knows what they're doing, a professional, as opposed to putting a wrestler at risk. Health and Safety guidelines, yo.

[UkWrestleFan]

Good point actually.

[The Celt]

http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/deadliest%20warrior_56570.jpg

[juggaloninjalee]

http://www.411mania.com/siteimages/deadliest%20warrior_56570.jpg

That is great!!! 25 pounds though? Really?! Amazing!!! No wonder he is so deadly!!!

[Moe Hunter]

That says .25 pounds.

[Comradebot]

Doesn't look much like Bryan to me.

Honestly, it looks like Emperor Palpatine to me.




And agreed earlier, Barrett should probably be the only NXT guy to touch the mic. As heavy as I mark out for Justin Gabriel (who will always sorta be PJ Black to me, such an awesome name), I'll be the first to admit he can't work a microphone. Couldn't since back in South Africa, and he still can't. Sadly, a big part of it is his accent, but not all of it by far. He just... seems uncomfortable on it. That said, he has the honour of being one of the rare high fliers I mark out for, and an athletic freak. Hopefully that's a sign he'll stick around for awhile.

[sebsplex]

'Taker? Noooo, he's in a vegatative state :p

Maybe he (Danielson) has been genuinely axed but I'm thinking they could still have him involved in this for sometime without actually acknowledging it or using him, y'know?

This week, a mystery limo driver scaring the wits out of Bret, next week a hooded/masked attacked entering through the crowd and beating the crap out of Orton. Keep it up until the whole choking thing blows over (how long, realistically, do we think WWE would wait before bringing him back?) and then have a huge reveal, maybe Barrett challenging whoever the WWE Champion is at the time. Bryan could come out, still masked/hooded, and cost the champ the title. Then the reveal!!! It was Daniel Bryan all the long.

WWE mystery angle? It's probably Vince. The Greater Power is back to screw Bret one more time!

As for the continuation of the NXT invasion, it was always going to be a really difficult follow-on. When the WWE are on their game, they deliver big set-pieces better than anyone, but the ending to last week's RAW was really well done both in execution and impact that this week's RAW was almost gauranteed to be a let down for many people. The loss of Danielson is a hammer blow considering his profile in the first season of NXT, which didn't help, but the main problem with angles like this is that they raise expectations and fire the imagination... there are so many possibilities, whatever route the WWE goes, it's pretty much impossible to satisfy every individual whim and vision.

That being said, I was disappointed that the locker room somewhat emptied to save Cena and chase off the NXT rookies as it just seemed a lazy throwback to the old WCW/ECW Invasion angle. I was hoping there'd be some reason as to why Cena, Punk & co were left to the wolves last week... pros froze backstage watching, heels felt Cena had it coming to him, Orton decided it "wasn't his fight", Mark Henry was busy eating muffins, whatever. Instead if just sticks out as a loophole in the story that creative weren't bothered about covering, which is a shame considering they pretty effectively signed Danielson out of the story.

Beyond that, although vehicular assualts are hardly new ground in wrestling, it did leave a decent hook for the ppv and the continuation of the angle. Plus Barrett further sold himself as an effective leader of the group.

[juggaloninjalee]

WWE takes a lot of easy routes though Sebs. You know that. Many recycled storylines happen in the WWE all the time.

[BHK1978]

WWE takes a lot of easy routes though Sebs. You know that. Many recycled storylines happen in the WWE all the time.

That happens in every promotion though. I know I read somewhere, that Vince is of the opinion that he can run the same basic storylines every seven years or so because there is enough turn over in the audience.

The one time this really stuck out with me was the Master Lock challenge that they ran a few years ago. It was a lot like Hercules Hernandez storyline that they ran in the 1980's.

[crownsy]

Is it just me or is this whole story line beginning to reek of WCW? People being fired in reality, people being fired in kayfabe, the fans not being completely sure the company isn't trying to run an elaborate work on everyone, stupid car stunts, bad acting, bad writing, etc.

It's you

I actually like this stroyline so far.

This gets back to the main point, no matter what the WWE/TNA do, they are called on it. I seriously cannot remeber one angle from either company in the last two years that the IWC didn't pan for being stupid on some level.

It would be fun to let the IWC book a show for once. I bet it would be the most overbooked abomination on the planet.

[eayragt]

Is it just me or is this whole story line beginning to reek of WCW? People being fired in reality, people being fired in kayfabe, the fans not being completely sure the company isn't trying to run an elaborate work on everyone, stupid car stunts, bad acting, bad writing, etc.

Just on that, WWE don't care if they mess with their Internet fans. Although a large and vocal group, they're remarkably loyal. Of far more interest to them is the "casual" fan, who are far more numerous, and couldn't care less what happened to this Daniel Bryan guy.

[crownsy]

I think it is yes.....that is why they went pg in the first place.

No it isn't, but you keep thinking that.

They went PG because the realized that Kids move thier merch. PArents were complaining about the fact that the attitude era stuff was too racey for thier kids to watch.

Once they lost Rock and Austin, they two guys who trancended that, they made a choice to "alienate" the older fans and focus on the kids.

And, condisering they are absolutly murdering it profit wise right now, they seem to have made the right call.

Kids, through thier parents, buy merch and buy PPV's.

Adults, such as myself, watch for free on TV and stream PPV's.

The Kids are the more lucrative industry with the buissness in a down swing.


Example: I'm 27, with two brothers ages 11 and 13. They are both huge Cena and Orton fans, and both own the action figures, shirts ect.

I own nothing, i wouldn't wear a WWE shirt in public, Nor spend 40 dollars to watch a PPV at my apartment, I'm to old for that crap.

Net profit to the WWE from catering to me and going back to Attitude ERa stuff: 0 dollars, still not going to buy a action figure, PPV (outside of WM) or shirt.

Net profit to WWE from making it PG and thus allowing my two brothers to watch: a couple hundred this year alone, Adding up the 2-3 shirts they both got dad to buy them this year + action figures + PPV's my Dad bought them.

[BHK1978]

Just on that, WWE don't care if they mess with their Internet fans. Although a large and vocal group, they're remarkably loyal. Of far more interest to them is the "casual" fan, who are far more numerous, and couldn't care less what happened to this Daniel Bryan guy.

I agree, to the casual fan, Bryan Danielson has no real importance. To them he was just some dude that was on NXT, they have no cule as to his history.

My friend has a friend (The dude is no friend of mine as I can't stand him.:D) who refuses to even acknowledge that there is any other wrestling besides the WWF. When CM Punk first came in my friend was saying how CM Punk was going to be a star.

The other guy was like, "No I have never heard of this guy, there is no way he will be a star. I have never heard of him." Anyway, he is now a huge CM Punk mark.

Point being if the WWF had never pushed CM Punk this guy would have never even known who he is.

[Jaysin]

I agree, to the casual fan, Bryan Danielson has no real importance. To them he was just some dude that was on NXT, they have no cule as to his history.

My friend has a friend (The dude is no friend of mine as I can't stand him.:D) who refuses to even acknowledge that there is any other wrestling besides the WWF. When CM Punk first came in my friend was saying how CM Punk was going to be a star.

The other guy was like, "No I have never heard of this guy, there is no way he will be a star. I have never heard of him." Anyway, he is now a huge CM Punk mark.

Point being if the WWF had never pushed CM Punk this guy would have never even known who he is.

Most WWE fans are like that and that's why they blindly follow the garbage that WWE tries to pass off as entertainment.

[Linsolv]

"To whom it may concern;

I am a campaign worker for the Linda McMahon Senate campaign in Stamford, CT and I wanted to pass this information along to you. I am not a "fan" of Mrs. McMahon's family business by any means but I also do not like to see people's livelihoods taken away because of someone's political ambitions.

In regards to the released performer Daniel Brian this decision was made by Mr. David Cappiello the new campaign manager for Mrs. McMahon. After viewing the video of an incident of someone being choked and spat on Mr. Cappiello advised the campaign this could have very negative repurcussions to the campaign as a whole.

It was his decision that many in the media would use this against Mrs. McMahon in her campaign because of it's violent nature and it would bring up memories of the Chris Benoit tragedy which the campaign has tried very hard to distance itself from. He also felt it would significantly hurt her stance on family values to be associated with a product marketed towards children that allowed it's performers to openly spit in the faces of one another. It was this decision that led to the performer being released to show the media that Mrs. McMahon does not tolerate or approve of such behavior.

I am sending this to you from a temporary e-mail address. I will not answer further questions I just thought the truth should be put out there and not this rampant speculation. You can chose to print this or not, I leave that entirely to you."

I see!

[LoganRodzen]

Gotta love that a guy who has nothing to do with the wrestling business just determined somebodies (Danielson) career.

[Linsolv]

Mind you, this COULD be a hoax or something. I came across it trying to see who McMahon was running against in the election on a wrestling news site that to be honest, I haven't read anything from (but then again I mostly use GDS forums and the Torch). But it does explain a lot.

[LoganRodzen]

It makes perfectly good sense that her campaign manager would believe that others would use it against her. But if he's good at his job shouldn't be able to fight off the fire from her opponents if they tried using that against her? I guess in politics you have to cover all your bases and Danielson was just a casualty of that. If that's true (which it does seem legit to me) then it's really disappointing that WWE has changed their hiring/firing practices due to "outside opinions".

I'd feel uneasy working for WWE right now while Linda's campaign continues. Everyone is apparently under a magnifying glass (besides the top draws of course).

[Candyman]

I don't see anything there that indicates it's not a work. Like I said before the show, if they mention Daniel Bryan, you have your proof it's a work...and you heard what Wade Barrett said. They never have and never will mention people after their release. (see Carlito, most recently)

Somebody else mentioned this on another site...after Skip Sheffield's clothesline on Cena, Heath Slater grabs the ring rope and goes to choke Cena with it but stops suddenly. If he had been allowed to choke him with it for a minute, it would made this very interesting.

[PeterHilton]

Most WWE fans are like that and that's why they blindly follow the garbage that WWE tries to pass off as entertainment.

:rolleyes:

[Hitman23]

Most WWE fans are like that and that's why they blindly follow the garbage that WWE tries to pass off as entertainment.
Agreed

[PeterHilton]

Yes, yes...only the intellectual giants that comprise the IWC can truly appreciate what great wrestling really is.

The WWE caters to the masses which means it obviously must be completely and totally without merit, despite the roughly 40 years or so that it's dominated the industry.

It's a wonder net fans don't dislocate their spines what with all the patting themselves on the back and saying how smart they are.